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 Feb 15 2012, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 02:14 PM) but, the buzzer when headlamp is ON already on my 20 freaking years old car. please wait when its oficially launch..this is internal slides for god sake and proton put it as SMART FEATURE next to onboard modem. wow. just wow.   |
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Feb 15 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 02:36 PM) Ha, Proton also so ambitious. Plis dont make fun la..those victim in the picture was prego women died in the car  Lamborghini qualities at a much much lower price. Who wouldn't want that? |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM) 0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s. inspira 2.0CVT need 10.5 seconds Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..  |
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Feb 15 2012, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM) torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right? u cant just simply separate torque and power coz they have direct relationship for a rotating shaft..go figure bro  |
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Feb 15 2012, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:44 PM) well he's talking about low to medium torque figure, which is actually low to medium rpm power. while when we talk about power, it refers to max rpm power the engine can produce. Err..i dont get it bro..can u elaborate more, TQ it'll be foolish to think 205nm max torque is produced at 138bhp so go figure.   |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 PM) hard to explain in words cos power is not a direct measurement, it's measured figure derived from torque measurement of a rotating crankshaft. Err i dont know how u interpret my statement early becoz this is what i mean..power is dependent on torque and RPM a simple example  u see 2 curves, the torque curve doesnt peak at high rpm, while the power curve peaks at high rpm.. to get this curve, only torque (orange) is measured, power (blue) curve is derived from calculation of the torque x rpm SOS |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:17 PM) your source said this, which i already said. rpm is measured, torque is measured. power is calculated or derived from those 2. i already said it above. dun understand any further need to do engineering course.. thats why previously i said u cant separate those power and torque for rotating shaft..they are dependent btw, i'm already a mechanical eng. n done the ICE course  TQ This post has been edited by tonitoni: Feb 15 2012, 10:29 PM |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:17 PM) your source said this, which i already said. rpm is measured, torque is measured. power is calculated or derived from those 2. i already said it above. dun understand any further need to do engineering course.. plus they have torque base control loop system thus aim for flat torque for certain rev band Added on February 15, 2012, 10:19 pm oh forgot, earlier discussion, i mention let torque be 200nm and power increase to 150bhp right? that's different situation cos there is turbo element mah.. you can control the boost which affects torque and power. |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:27 PM) why cannot seperate the 2 condition, both condition is at different rpm wot. back to this CFE engine..their aim is torque thats why the feedback loop base on their torque..back to basic, why u need more power since in the end u need to burn more gas for it since u got same torque in the end..conservation of energy i said set the conditon at mid range rpm, boost until 200nm, while power at high rpm can increase to 150bhp, obviously by boosting the torque at that high rpm.. i didn't say 200nm at 150bhp at 6000rpm Added on February 15, 2012, 10:30 pm u have a point about reliability but then if a turbo 1.6L doing 150bhp should not be really stressful cos for other brand of turbo engines mah not even 100bhp per litre.. if not reliable then have to redesign the engine lor..  power is work or energy in the given time.This post has been edited by tonitoni: Feb 15 2012, 10:37 PM |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 10:40 PM) Confirm 150hp can work without stress and sweat. 170hp above the cvt has to be strong to handle the abuse. more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat  Added on February 15, 2012, 10:44 pm QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:41 PM) having more power is at standby only mah.. on demand when you need it. ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 if you don;t need that, then just rev to medium rpm, max torque lor.. as you know, max torque, the power isn't 100% it;s around 60-70% only wat.. have 30% more on standby is useful but doesnt mean you dont need to use rev to 6k rpm everytime. its like why drive a 2L car when 1.5L can pull you point A to B? more power standby at your pedal mah.. not to say need to rev all the way when driving right? JKThis post has been edited by tonitoni: Feb 15 2012, 10:44 PM |
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Feb 15 2012, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:53 PM) cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena. the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque Added on February 15, 2012, 11:01 pm QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:48 PM) haha, and in honor of a fellow engineer who likes crazy frog.. tailor made malaysian car..   Added on February 15, 2012, 10:50 pm yes gearbox is usually see torque figure, but power does come in due to rpm, not every gearbox can tahan 8000rpm at say 300nm,... hence got power limitation also..  This post has been edited by tonitoni: Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM |
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Feb 16 2012, 02:41 PM
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from my understanding, when the engine have valve lift automatically their timing oso altered..can see clearly using valve profile graph..that why older MIVEC and all vtec have both..however, vvt like vvt-i toyota can only altered the timing but not lift..still, iinm there are staging vvt which are not continous in old engine application which only have 2 or there diff timing which dedicated for certain rev band..for example 0 degree during 0 - 3000 rpm and 2 degree advance or retard for 3000-redline rpm, isit?
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Feb 16 2012, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM) all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh who design the engine btw, mechanic?LOL  Added on February 16, 2012, 7:44 pm QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM) sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!! most manufacture start to downsizing now, where have u been before?just came out from cave The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so. look around bro, 1.4TSI and BMW 1.6T prince engine used in wide range of car segment..towards greener environment This post has been edited by tonitoni: Feb 16 2012, 07:44 PM |
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