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post Jul 19 2008, 05:33 PM, updated 18y ago

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Disscuss about the latest AMD ATi HD 4000 Series.

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v3 already o.O

waiting for non reference board, then sell my 3870 upgrade to 4870 lolx
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post Jul 19 2008, 05:36 PM

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v3? i thought the last topic post count only 2000?

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post Jul 19 2008, 05:38 PM

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why v3? havent 2500posts wor.....
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post Jul 19 2008, 05:47 PM

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Sorry for the confusion.I am first time in creating such of this topic doh.gif
Is it requires 2500 Replies from the old Version in order to create a new Version?Sorry for the inconvenience.
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u gan jeong wan v3 haha
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 05:47 PM)
Sorry for the confusion.I am first time in creating such of this topic doh.gif
Is it requires 2500 Replies from the old Version in order to create a new Version?Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Nope, as you can see, from v1 -> v2, there is onli 101 pages.
Please put links to v1 and v2, and some links to adjust fan profile, thanks~ rclxms.gif
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post Jul 19 2008, 05:56 PM

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Thanks for the advice.Thread still updating..
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:01 PM

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nice.. v3 already..

version history
v1 : before release
v2 : after release
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:08 PM

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Wow...havent launch oledi V3 ?
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:11 PM

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more up2date info ma
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:11 PM

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It is already launch.Maybe you are abit late?Google around ya mate smile.gif
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:13 PM

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i think he mean 4870x2
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:18 PM

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wow so fast v3... may want to cross fire 2 4870 or 2 4850 at the end of the year but dunno can or not....so hotty.. some 1 can help me estimate the price for 4870 n 4850 at october / novermber..
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:22 PM

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Hmm..If November,why not wait Q1 2009 and get RV870 instead(A.K.A HD 5870)?
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:34 PM

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Gratz to Ati . V3 alreay . the other nvidia GTx thread only v1 with 500+ post... tongue.gif

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Seems like 4850 having heat issue. It's either wait for a better revision or change the reference cooler with a better one. Anyway is there plan for a 4850x2? tongue.gif
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post Jul 19 2008, 06:59 PM

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Yes there is a plan.Which is schedule to release @ September.Price are expected@ $ 450.
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yes.. & it is $100 less than 4870x2
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Good move here, V3 already. The 1st post is very useful & intuitive with some updates. Well done TS AMDAthlon.
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post Jul 19 2008, 09:47 PM

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woot....v3 !! biggrin.gif
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any news on when a 1gb version will be out?
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post Jul 19 2008, 10:43 PM

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For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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Yeah...I mean 4870x2 ....waiting 4870x2 reviews and results to PAWN 280GTX....haha!! Evelitime Ati got new product...Nvidia jz will realized themselves too PRICY....
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i forgot to post this..

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BTW, have any of you guys tried installing Mac OS X (hackintosh?)? Is there driver support for the ATI on mac os?


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post Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM

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Never heard before.Why not try googling?
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post Jul 20 2008, 01:09 AM

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hey guyz, is this normal or the software got problem? sweat.gif

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it will reset back to default core/memory every time i open this software.

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post Jul 20 2008, 01:32 AM

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Its the software problems.The software still not FULLY support the HD 4800 Series Card.
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QUOTE(Volt @ Jul 20 2008, 01:09 AM)
hey guyz, is this normal or the software got problem?  sweat.gif

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it will reset back to default core/memory every time i open this software.
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W1zzard no more update ATItool .... (since HD2900XT series)
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 10:43 PM)
For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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If GDDR5, then it should be HD4870 then? I saw the comparison of HD4850 and HD4870 difference is the RAM if not mistaken. Correct me if im wrong though tongue.gif
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I guess so.But its depend on the clock speed too.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 10:43 PM)
For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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Any idea when will it be launched? How about the non reference card, any news?
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 01:32 AM)
Its the software problems.The software still not FULLY support the HD 4800 Series Card.
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 20 2008, 01:42 AM)
W1zzard no more update ATItool .... (since HD2900XT series)
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so how u guyz check for any artifacts?
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 11:43 PM)
For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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why not straight away buy HD4870? I thinking of getting PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS, said to be super R770 drool.gif .

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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 20 2008, 08:21 AM)
why not straight away buy HD4870? I thinking of getting PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS, said to be super R770 drool.gif .
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Where got sell this PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS?


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QUOTE(OmniAtlas @ Jul 19 2008, 11:42 PM)
BTW, have any of you guys tried installing Mac OS X (hackintosh?)? Is there driver support for the ATI on mac os?
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Currently no hackintosh driver for HD4850 yet. Perhaps later macvidia will come out with new development. Just keep ur fingers crossed atm.
I still remember last time hackintosh MacOSX 10 Tiger works on my ancient Pentium 4 Soc478, Gigabyte GA-SR533 mobo, FX5200, etc. Although it was not fully functioning still given me a chance to run it on my pc. U might wanna try learn this more at http://forum.osx86scene.com/index.php.
But need some time and effort in learning this.

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 10:43 PM)
For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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Dun think that'll happen.The only difference between 4850 and 4870 is the RAM. If they put GDDR5 on 4850, it'll kill the 4870 market.


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BTW, have any of you guys tried installing Mac OS X (hackintosh?)? Is there driver support for the ATI on mac os?
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It'll work, but only basic VGA, meaning 1024 x768 resolution only with no QE/CI functionality. It automatically detects as plain VGA after i swapped out my old 7600GS.



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QUOTE(louisho_84 @ Jul 19 2008, 11:04 PM)
Yeah...I mean 4870x2 ....waiting 4870x2 reviews and results to PAWN 280GTX....haha!! Evelitime Ati got new product...Nvidia jz will realized themselves too PRICY....
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lol CF 4850 already owned GTX280..
btw,is Xigmatek BattleAxe can be implemented to ATI 4800 series?as a third party cooler..
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But AMD said before.HD 4870,4850,4870 X2 will come in 2 flavours.Which is GDDR 3 and GDDR 5..Thats what i confuse doh.gif

Super RV770?Only 1GB.Unless its Pre-Overclocked.
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I was wondering if ATi graphics cards are having this problem similarly to NVidia whereby the automatic fan control fux up. Using RivaTuner to automatically set the fan speed, it will reset it to 25% no matter how i tried and hence that prevent any overclocking. Unless with a 3rd party cooler.
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Becos the riva tuner itself does not support the card.OR the driver does not fully stabilize it.Check 1st page for guide to control fan speed.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:04 AM)
Where got sell this PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS?
QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 12:22 PM)
But AMD said before.HD 4870,4850,4870 X2 will come in 2 flavours.Which is GDDR 3 and GDDR 5..Thats what i confuse doh.gif

Super RV770?Only 1GB.Unless its Pre-Overclocked.
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I still can't decide what to do with this part. I dont have anythin in mind yet. I can go for xfire 4870 if i want but the heat it generate kinda worry me (pc are on all the time). I still duno whether I want to switch back to the red camp. 4870x2 sure look interesting tho. Maybe just wait n see how since i still dont have the money to do this upgrade.
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x2 first reference unit will also be plauged by the heat issue...anyway its not that hot having 2 4870 if you do the fan profile for both of the card..
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No,from what i hear,X2 is much cooler than its predecessor.Including HD 3870 X2.
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Hopefully AMD can deliver again with the best bang for buck pwnate 4850x2 tongue.gif.. But i doubt it. Haiz.. gonna wait again tongue.gif
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4850X2 already pawn GTX 280 right?
Price expected $ 450 and September is schedule to release..
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 02:18 PM)
4850X2 already pawn GTX 280 right?
Price expected $ 450 and September is schedule to release..
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well the price difference between 4850x2 and 4870x2 will be around $100...
still the 4850x2 will cost quite a bomb when it gets in the local market... but theres another rumor saying it will onli cost $399...
summore it comes with GDDR3 not GDDR5...
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4850X2 difference with 4870 X2 is $50 and $100
Becos AMD release 1GB and 2GB versiom
2GB = $ 549
1GB = $ 499

I guess 4850 X2 should be $400~450

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 02:39 PM)
4850X2 difference with 4870 X2 is $50 and $100
Becos AMD release 1GB and 2GB versiom
2GB = $ 549
1GB = $ 499

I guess 4850 X2 should be $400~450
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then.. juz brace ourself when the turns to RM... both shud be around RM1k++... rclxub.gif
at least its much cheaper that the GTX series.. but still... rclxub.gif
sticking with my X300SE... blush.gif

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Emm.. not to be confused but i understand that 4850x2 and 4850X2 CF is both different right? Whereby 4850x2 is a single card actually CFed without requiring a mobo with CF functionality?

I hope we can expect to see 4850x2 to be around RM800+. Ah but i don't think that's possible.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 20 2008, 03:03 PM)
Emm.. not to be confused but i understand that 4850x2 and 4850X2 CF is both different right? Whereby 4850x2 is a single card actually CFed without requiring a mobo with CF functionality?

I hope we can expect to see 4850x2 to be around RM800+. Ah but i don't think that's possible.
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a single 4850X2 means 2 chips on 1 PCB... hence its a single card CF...
4850X2 CF means 2 card, 2 PCB, 4 chips and connected with CF connector...
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Btw, can HD4850 play crysis on at least high settings at 1680x1050?  smile.gif

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So when you gonna upgrade to 4850 or 4870? tongue.gif
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hahaha i'll be upgrading once proper 8.7 catalyst driver comes out rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:06 PM)
a single 4850X2 means 2 chips on 1 PCB... hence its a single card CF...
4850X2 CF means 2 card, 2 PCB, 4 chips and connected with CF connector...
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Thanks for the confirmation smile.gif. I was wondering... the following which is better?

1 single card HD4850X2
2 cards Cross-Fired HD4850

So is a single card HD4850X2 better or 2 HD4850 card crossed-fired?

Thanks smile.gif
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2gb is sort of overkill. 1gb still ok. Can a Coolermaster M700w psu support 4870x2 when the system have like 7-8 hdd? hmm I'll put the 4850x2 into consideration if they can push down the price. If it just usd100 bah forget it.
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Archaven, the 4850X2 would be much better as the 965 doesn't have enough PCIe lanes to get nice performance from CF.

Oh, and BN (Barisan Nvidia) vs PKR (Pakatan Radeon)! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jul 20 2008, 03:26 PM)
Archaven, the 4850X2 would be much better as the 965 doesn't have enough PCIe lanes to get nice performance from CF.

Oh, and BN (Barisan Nvidia) vs PKR (Pakatan Radeon)! laugh.gif
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hahahaha.. never thought of that.. the BN and the PKR thingy... ekekeke...

for better performance, get urself a PCIe 2.0 mobo... will unleashed the 4850 full performance... ekekeke...
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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:31 PM)
hahahaha.. never thought of that.. the BN and the PKR thingy... ekekeke...

for better performance, get urself a PCIe 2.0 mobo... will unleashed the 4850 full performance... ekekeke...
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If not mistaken my mobo should be PCIe 2.0 just no CF or SLI functionality. Damn if need to change mobo again sweat.gif

I'm currently using PSU Enermax FMA-II 460W 32A dual 12v rails. Was wondering if it's enough for HD4850 or HD4850X2? Hopefully i don't have to change PSU soon sweat.gif
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not sure whether anyone posted this or not.... seems like the non-references 4850 are storming into the market

http://en.expreview.com/2008/07/19/non-ref...d-4850-roundup/
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 20 2008, 03:34 PM)
If not mistaken my mobo should be PCIe 2.0 just no CF or SLI functionality. Damn if need to change mobo again  sweat.gif

I'm currently using PSU Enermax FMA-II 460W 32A dual 12v rails. Was wondering if it's enough for HD4850 or HD4850X2? Hopefully i don't have to change PSU soon  sweat.gif
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if u dun change also can... juz a suggestion... but for the PSU... i think that one need a change...
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has asus launched 1gb 4850 already?
pc zone lists them in their pricelist, pricing is unavailable though
anyone bother to check? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:39 PM)
if u dun change also can... juz a suggestion... but for the PSU... i think that one need a change...
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Are you sure? I thought requirement for HD4850 only 450W? Em actually what happen if i don't change the PSU? I'll get artifacts or something? Also, anyway to check my PCIe is v1.0 or v2.0? I check my mobo website on the specific model but it didn't mention PCIe 2.0 or 1.0 just PCI Express X16 slot.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 20 2008, 03:42 PM)
Are you sure? I thought requirement for HD4850 only 450W? Em actually what happen if i don't change the PSU? I'll get artifacts or something? Also, anyway to check my PCIe is v1.0 or v2.0? I check my mobo website on the specific model but it didn't mention PCIe 2.0 or 1.0 just PCI Express X16 slot.
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most probably your com will reboot when your psu cant handle the load
imo your psu might only be able to support 4850, maybe a 4870 but i doubt 4850x2 can be supported
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just checked on the ati certified list
if your psu model is FMA II DXX (EG465P-VE)
its able to support 4870 and 4850

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Jul 20 2008, 04:06 PM)
most probably your com will reboot when your psu cant handle the load
imo your psu might only be able to support 4850, maybe a 4870 but i doubt 4850x2 can be supported
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just checked on the ati certified list
if your psu model is FMA II DXX (EG465P-VE)
its able to support 4870 and 4850
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Thanks alot Kytz. Then i guess it will not be enough for HD4850X2 then. Maybe i'll just grab myself a HD4850 or HD4870 at max. And probably change to another rig for higher end gc sweat.gif
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PowerColor Radeon HD 4870 PCS OC Emerges : http://www.techpowerup.com/66241/PowerColo...OC_Emerges.html

Nice cooler, but still use reference board tongue.gif
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haha

HD 4850 X2 $ 450 = RM 1.4k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2 $ 500 = RM 1.6k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2(2GB) $ 550 = RM 1.8k

Lolz sia.Each has RM 200 different.So pick ur self tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 05:42 PM)
haha

HD 4850 X2 $ 450 = RM 1.4k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2 $ 500 = RM 1.6k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2(2GB) $ 550 = RM 1.8k

Lolz sia.Each has RM 200 different.So pick ur self tongue.gif
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My gosh RM1.4K for 4850X2? .. I buy 2 HD4850 CF also no need RM1.4K sweat.gif

Anyway not sure the pricing here in m'sia yet. If too high it won't be worth for X2.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 05:42 PM)
haha

HD 4850 X2 $ 450 = RM 1.4k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2 $ 500 = RM 1.6k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2(2GB) $ 550 = RM 1.8k

Lolz sia.Each has RM 200 different.So pick ur self tongue.gif
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this is just a raw estimation since its onli a rumored prices... surely the price might differ a bit... but heck.. the estimated price alreadi shocking.gif but hope that the price is as good as the performance...
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But its better than CF becos of the bandwith.The heat,power consumption..etc.Thats just estimation ma.no need worry.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 05:42 PM)
haha

HD 4850 X2 $ 450 = RM 1.4k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2 $ 500 = RM 1.6k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2(2GB) $ 550 = RM 1.8k

Lolz sia.Each has RM 200 different.So pick ur self tongue.gif
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the price correct ?

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 20 2008, 04:27 PM)
PowerColor Radeon HD 4870 PCS OC Emerges : http://www.techpowerup.com/66241/PowerColo...OC_Emerges.html

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= = Double posted.
Its just an estimation..Dont worry.Just wait.No one knows the exact price yet.
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hmm if its good i might let go one of my 4870 and cfx the other one with x2..
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Hey guys...
I used the change fanspeed technique...
By using GPU-Z i checked my temp for 2x4850. One of them are 50" and another one about 80"...

How to make the 2nd GPU running as 50" as well ?

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QUOTE(FoxNope @ Jul 20 2008, 09:01 PM)
Hey guys...
I used the change fanspeed technique...
By using GPU-Z i checked my temp for 2x4850. One of them are 50" and another one about 80"...

How to make the 2nd GPU running as 50" as well ?
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the first one label as fan 0 in the profile and the second one is label 1,so make sure to change that one also:

<Feature name="FanSpeedProtocol_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedProtocolProperty" value="Percent" />
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<Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Manual" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
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<Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="80" />
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<Feature name="FanSpeedProtocol_1">
<Property name="FanSpeedProtocolProperty" value="Percent" />
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<Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_1">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Manual" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_1">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
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<Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_1">
<Property name="Want" value="80" />
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will the price of hd4870 drop when 4870X2 and 4850X2 release...?
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got any idea.. 4870x2 need how many watt of psu ??

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will the price of hd4870 drop when 4870X2 and 4850X2 release...?
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Juine please read first page next time.

* 500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)"

In other names it requires 1x6 pin and 1x8 pin.
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When using 4870 gpu with mobo pcie 1.1,is there a lot different compare using mobo with pcie2.0
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Jul 20 2008, 10:41 PM)
When using 4870 gpu with mobo pcie 1.1,is there a lot different compare using mobo with pcie2.0
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PCIE 2.0 doubles the gigatransfer per second of PCI 1.1 from 2.5GT/s to 5GT/s so performance wise 2.0 is 2x greater than 1.1
Iirc PCIe2.0 operates at 200MHz vs. PCIe1.x which operates at 100MHz.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 20 2008, 10:52 PM)
PCIE 2.0 doubles the gigatransfer per second of PCI 1.1 from 2.5GT/s to 5GT/s so performance wise 2.0 is 2x greater than 1.1
Iirc PCIe2.0 operates at 200MHz vs. PCIe1.x which operates at 100MHz.
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Take for example same setting but with pcie2.0 compare to pcie1.1 say bench mark is there a lot different, secondly say fps is it quiet significant.
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Jul 20 2008, 10:57 PM)
Take for example same setting but with pcie2.0 compare to pcie1.1 say bench mark is there a lot different, secondly say fps is it quiet significant.
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U will run just fine using a PCI-E 1.1 slot. You won't get a noticeable performance increase from the 2.0.
As for FPS, it's only 2-3% difference like 5 FPS which is very small & not worth to upgrade.
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PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 differ not much,

but if you want to go for the best, go for 2.0
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guys, pci-e 16x 1.1 isn't even saturated yet. the difference between pci-e 16x 1.1 and 2.0 is minimal at best.
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 21 2008, 12:18 AM)
PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 differ not much,

but if you want to go for the best, go for 2.0
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Its true theres not much difference.. But got abit la..
Coz my 3dmark06 mark is lower on pcie 1.1 and higher on 2.0 about 500marks higher
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 21 2008, 12:36 AM)
Its true theres not much difference.. But got abit la..
Coz my 3dmark06 mark is lower on pcie 1.1 and higher on 2.0 about 500marks higher
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how many runs did you do? its better to get an average because you can get fluctuations.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 10:18 PM)
Juine please read first page next time.

* 500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)"

In other names it requires 1x6 pin and 1x8 pin.
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QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jul 21 2008, 12:39 AM)
how many runs did you do? its better to get an average because you can get fluctuations.
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3 times.. score is between 500-800... something like that le..
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Glad that someone asked the difference between PCIe 1.1 vs. PCIe 2.0. Since there's not much performance gained, then it won't make much sense to upgrade my mobo tongue.gif
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Glad that someone asked the difference between PCIe 1.1 vs. PCIe 2.0. Since there's not much performance gained, then it won't make much sense to upgrade my mobo tongue.gif
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Ya.. not much difference... but sometimes ur mobo is bottlenecking the performance as well..
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 21 2008, 01:27 AM)
Ya.. not much difference... but sometimes ur mobo is bottlenecking the performance as well..
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How can i know or how do i check whether my mobo or my cpu is bottlenecking or limiting the GPU performance? Any software to check that?
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wah.. this u need to ask those pro's in lyn.. i dont know about this
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 21 2008, 01:49 AM)
How can i know or how do i check whether my mobo or my cpu is bottlenecking or limiting the GPU performance? Any software to check that?
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if u have a dual core running faster than 2.4Ghz, then no worries about cpu bottleneck. mobo wont really bottle neck your gpu, as long as it is providing the right FSB. n ya, this 1.1 vs 2 pci-e is not significant. hell, they didnt saturate the pci-1. so dont worry.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 21 2008, 01:49 AM)
How can i know or how do i check whether my mobo or my cpu is bottlenecking or limiting the GPU performance? Any software to check that?
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hahaa... for example la...
u r using AMD and another person is using intel...
in my last case... my X2 5200 @ 3.1ghz against E6550 @ 3.6ghz
both are doing 3870 crossfire @ stock...
my score on 3D Mark 06 is 12K.. and the other person score is 15K...
from this u can guess that ur proc is bottlenecking the GC...
i've ask all the pros in benching.. all of them tell me that my proc is bottlenecking the card... cry.gif
i even tried Ocing the card, the score won't budge.. still @ 12K...

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Hmm... But i have tried the same E6600 + 88GT on 2 boards.. the scores are different le...
1.P35-DS3
2.Foxconn MARS P35

Foxconn got higher scores compared to DS3.. same settings same clock.. just different board
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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 21 2008, 02:03 AM)
hahaa... for example la...
u r using AMD and another person is using intel...
in my last case... my X2 5200 @ 3.1ghz against E6550 @ 3.6ghz
both are doing 3870 crossfire @ stock...
my score on 3D Mark 06 is 12K.. and the other person score is 15K...
from this u can guess that ur proc is bottlenecking the GC...
i've ask all the pros in benching.. all of them tell me that my proc is bottlenecking the card... cry.gif
i even tried Ocing the card, the score won't budge.. still @ 12K...
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Thanks for the reply. But 3D Mark scores comprises of many factors such as what model of mobo, gc, cpu, ram, psu, hard disk, etc. It might be either one that is limiting the 3dmark score tongue.gif. If both AMD X2 5200 and Intel E6550 has identical components, only differences are the CPU and mobo then i guess it will be much easier to isolate whether the cpu or mobo is limiting the GPU tongue.gif

Anyway it would be kind of a big hassle to check if mobo/cpu is limiting the GPU if only one can compare with someone with similar setup.


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Hmm... But i have tried the same E6600 + 88GT on 2 boards.. the scores are different le...
1.P35-DS3
2.Foxconn MARS P35

Foxconn got higher scores compared to DS3.. same settings same clock.. just different board
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But that still does not shows either mobo is limiting or bottlenecking the GPU because the scores are a sum of many factors including mobo, cpu, ram, gpu, etc.

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not yet..maybe next series(5000) pcie 2.0 will show its truly potential...but on 8 times lanes compare to 16 times lanes on crossfire set up it shows a little on 4870 but only few hundred point...
so i guess next year pcie 2.0 will be fully utilize by the graphic card..
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Don't be too focussed on 3DMark scores too. Playability in real world apps is far more important IMO, and there's very little diff in PCIE2.0 vs 1.1 at this point.
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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 21 2008, 02:27 AM)
not yet..maybe next series(5000) pcie 2.0 will show its truly potential...but on 8 times lanes compare to 16 times lanes on crossfire set up it shows a little on 4870 but only few hundred point...
so i guess next year pcie 2.0 will be fully utilize by the graphic card..
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yep, nowadays the GC on market still do not fully utilize the bandwith offered by pcie2.0, maybe next gen GC will required more demand on bandwith, when come to CF, x8 might not able to cope with it anymore smile.gif
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I want to upgrade HD 4850 for my old Asus a8n-sli mainboard (nforce 4), the problem is my mainboard only supports pci-e 1.0a, has anyone run this card without problem in Asus a8n-sli or nforce 4 chipset mainboard ? I mean real life, not wiki "PCIe 2.0 is backward and forward compatible with PCIe v1.x" or "Just only need a powerful psu" or "Bottleneck by cpu or board" brabrabra, becoz i read something from internet:

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PCIe 2.0 is backward and forward compatible with PCIe v1.x. Graphic cards and motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with v1.1 and v1.0, and vice versa. In some rare cases it is possible that a PCI-E 2.0 card will not work correctly on a PCI-E 1.0a slot. This is only limited to certain video cards.


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I have an Asus A8N-SLi m/board and am currently running a 7900 on it. It works OK but it is getting old and i have just brought a 8800GT 512M vid. Card. I put the card in and connected it all up but when i turn the PC on i get NO SIGNAL onthe monitor.


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Hey guys I'm just gonna go straight to the point. Me and cousin have the same motherboard the a8n-sli vanilla(not deluxe, premium, or se). My cousin tried to install a geforce 8600gt onto his machine but it did not work.


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I installed a 4850 into my PC a little under two weeks ago, and I have to say I'm not impressed. I haven't had an ATI card since a 9500, and I was very excited when I saw the numbers being benched on this card so I decided to take the plunge and switch. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get above 30-40 FPS in ANY game.

Here are my system specs.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR
4GB DDR1 OCZ Platinum RAM
650W OCZ GameXStream (SLI Ready)

Vista Ultimate x64



I'm playing all games at 1280x1024 on a 19" Samsung Monitor.

Up until two weeks ago I had a 7900GTX, and obviously got more than 30-40 FPS in games so this should have been an upgrade. When I check GPU-Z, depending on the game, its using anywhere from 0-50% GPU and only in one case, in the WoW character selection screen, it uses 100%. I'm open to any and all suggestions. I personally don't think my cpu is a bottleneck here as its happening in many different games, and if anything WoW should be getting higher than 40FPS as that isn't a taxing game.

I should also state that my AA/AF settings, if set in CCC, do not work in games. I'm guessing this MAY have something to do with this all.


Can anyone share the actual real life experiencewith similar board, or do i need to flash GEN1 video card bios to use the card, thanks.

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QUOTE(hengmy @ Jul 21 2008, 03:56 AM)
yep, nowadays the GC on market still do not fully utilize the bandwith offered by pcie2.0, maybe next gen GC will required more demand on bandwith, when come to CF, x8 might not able to cope with it anymore smile.gif
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There's really no point in utilizing the PCI-E bandwidth to the fullest UNLESS you play at max resolution and need more RAM than the GPU can handle and thus need to swap to system RAM. No amount of bandwidth will be as fast as local memory (Video RAM). As each generation of cards come with bigger memory, there's really no need to utilize the PCIE bandwidth fully. It'll only be use for transfering data and instructions which is not a lot. It's the textures that eats memory the most.


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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 21 2008, 12:36 AM)
Its true theres not much difference.. But got abit la..
Coz my 3dmark06 mark is lower on pcie 1.1 and higher on 2.0 about 500marks higher
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As someone said b4, benchmark do not reflect actual games. Benchmark are made to saturate certain aspect of hardware in each tests. I think there was some test done by Tom's hardware or Anandtech where it shows even at PCIe 1.1 4x and 8x, there's no difference.

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Does the fan fix in first post solves the hotness of HD 4870?

I'm thinking of buying one, which brand is recommended?
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Yes as i stated for HD 4850 and HD 4870.
Currently,any brand is your choice and your liking.Mostly same.Becos its reference cooler.The only diff is the sticker brows.gif
The Picture of cooler,the boxes and the prices.
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Warranty period for different brand might vary. If I'm not mistaken Gigabyte provides 3-year warranty while others providing 2 years only.

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Warranty period for different brand might vary. If I'm not mistaken Gigabyte provides 3-year warranty while others providing 2 years only.
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Does the fan fix in first post solves the hotness of HD 4870?

I'm thinking of buying one, which brand is recommended?
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MSI 4850 OC edition. Does this card come with a better cooler?
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MSI 4850 OC edition. Does this card come with a better cooler?
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If its an OC version,definitely they will change to a better cooler..If not they will get complain lor doh.gif
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Wanna ask. Anybody has use the HDMI output of the 4850/4870?

I understand it has built in sound...something like Realtek codec built in? How setup this? There seems very little info on this. I'm thinking of connecting my PC to LCD TV and play some games with it.

btw, there is no official drivers for 4000 series yet...even at AMD website. Sapphire also don't have....

http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/support/drivers.php

Real joke lar....doh.gif

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Do there any nice or performance air cooling for 4870x2 ?
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 21 2008, 12:20 PM)
Wanna ask. Anybody has use the HDMI output of the 4850/4870?

I understand it has built in sound...something like Realtek codec built in? How setup this? There seems very little info on this. I'm thinking of connecting my PC to LCD TV and play some games with it.

btw, there is no official drivers for 4000 series yet...even at AMD website. Sapphire also don't have....

http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/support/drivers.php

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the driver cds that comes with the card has the HD audio driver... i think that shudn't be a problem...
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wat software can control the 4870 fan speed?
need help,very very argent.
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wat software can control the 4870 fan speed?
need help,very very argent.
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why not refer to the first post?
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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 21 2008, 02:16 PM)
the driver cds that comes with the card has the HD audio driver... i think that shudn't be a problem...
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Think i'll try tonight. The Sapphire card really cheapskate one, manual pun tadak.(that piece of card inside the box is not very useful)..i guess that's the price you pay for a top brand like Gigabyte and an economical one like Sapphire.

I've downloaded the manual from Gigabyte's website for their 4850 card. Looks like there's a 'ATI Realtek audio' which can be selected from the control panel. Must give it a go tonite.

Cheers.
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is this the right place to ask something about 4870?
because i got a lot question want to ask,but don know is this the right place.

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lol TS post fanspeed adjust guide at the 1st page, theres still ppl dono how adjust the fan speed.
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lol TS post fanspeed adjust guide at the 1st page, theres still ppl dono how adjust the fan speed.
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It's because ppl like to watch (read) the finale of a series (the last post), before the first episode (the first post). doh.gif

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the fan speed solved....the fan quite noisy.
and the problem is others setting,do i need to change to set it ?
3D setting?LogMeIn Mirror Driver?Anti aliasing?
and others....
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the fan speed solved....the fan quite noisy.
and the problem is others setting,do i need to change to set it ?
3D setting?LogMeIn Mirror Driver?Anti aliasing?
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Hi, my HD4870 idle at 80-81c and full load at 87-88c it seem very hot , moreover i did put a 12cm fan blowing in front and a blower sucking out air n still got that high temp. Any ideal to let the temp go lower.
















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QUOTE(Dickong @ Jul 21 2008, 04:35 PM)
Hi, my HD4870 idle at 80-81c and full load at 87-88c it seem very hot , moreover i did put a 12cm fan blowing in front and a blower sucking out air n still got that high temp. Any ideal to let the temp go lower.
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It is normal for the stock fan speed. I assumed that u didn't change to fan speed setting as per the 1st post.
U may set it to 50% & trust me u'll gonna see the difference in temp dropping from 80C to 55-60C on idle.
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but 50% fan speed so noisy.
i prefer 40% fan speed and the temp ok.

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The noise acceptance and temperature level depends on the user preference. Just pick the the balance level that you like. nod.gif

When are those non-reference 4800 card will reach Malaysia? drool.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 21 2008, 02:58 PM)
Think i'll try tonight. The Sapphire card really cheapskate one, manual pun tadak.(that piece of card inside the box is not very useful)..i guess that's the price you pay for a top brand like Gigabyte and an economical one like  Sapphire.

I've downloaded the manual from Gigabyte's website for their 4850 card. Looks like there's a 'ATI Realtek audio' which can be selected from the control panel. Must give it a go tonite.

Cheers.
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hahaha.... all the brand that onli produce ATi card dun have manual.. Sapphire, HIS, Gecube.. all like that... unless u buy brand such as Gigabyte, Asus.. these comes with manual... that y the price are quite different...


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The noise acceptance and temperature level depends on the user preference. Just pick the the balance level that you like. nod.gif

When are those non-reference 4800 card will reach Malaysia? drool.gif
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the non reference one surely will be the Oced ones with 3rd party coolers like the Power Color PSC edition...

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hahaha.... all the brand that onli produce ATi card dun have manual.. Sapphire, HIS, Gecube.. all like that... unless u buy brand such as Gigabyte, Asus.. these comes with manual... that y the price are quite different...


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the non reference one surely will be the Oced ones with 3rd party coolers like the Power Color PSC edition...
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was planning to buy Samsung F1 1TB but I ended with Gainward 4870 hehe.. will get the hdd next mth along with a new psu.

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the finish product : D

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idle temp is 56' - 58'

downloading 3dmark06 to do a benchmark, will post later. I will just do one bench.. coz I buy this for gaming purpose.

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Hi, just as instructed by our forunner to increase the fan speed from original 27% to 40%, the result is really significant from idel 80-81 down to 55-56c n full load 87-88c down to 74-75c only but noise is still ok not loud but some air blowing noise. thanks guys.In fact better temp than my previous 8800GT when full load around 80-82c fan speed around 55%

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oh wait, u need some ram sink on the vrm. I think the long ic is VRM rite? If not ur card is going to die.
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does anyone know how the length size of the 4850/4870 compares to Geforce GTS 320/640?
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About the HDMI sound on the 4850 card, here's the screen shot:

Looks like it's already detected the sound output via HDMI and you can even enable DD51/DTS passthrough to the receiver.

But all i want is the sound to come out on the LCD TV via the stereo channel.....must try later...maybe on weekend...too lazy to drag my PC over to the TV now....smile.gif

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Source: http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/viewnews.php?article=816

ATI 4850 and 4870 is 23cm long.

GTX 260 and 280 is 27cm long.

ATI X1900XT n Nvidia 9600GT is around 20cm long

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hehehe here is my benchmark with vantage:


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Proc : Q9450 @3.2Ghz 400x8
Mobo : Asus Rampage Formula
Ram : G SkilL ddr 1000Mhz 2x2Gb @ 1066Mhz
GPU : Sapphire HD4870 Crossfire 790/1100
OS : Windows Vista Ultimate 64 SP1
Driver : Ati Catalyst 8.6 hotfixes




scores:

EnTry: 26517
Performance: 13854

HigH: 10221
XtReeM:
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Nice score, kaiser_falco. Comparable to ur great rig.
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 21 2008, 07:00 PM)
was planning to buy Samsung F1 1TB but I ended with Gainward 4870 hehe.. will get the hdd next mth along with a new psu.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 21 2008, 07:35 PM)
About the HDMI sound on the 4850 card, here's the screen shot:

Looks like it's already detected the sound output via HDMI and you can even enable DD51/DTS passthrough to the receiver.

But all i want is the sound to come out on the LCD TV via the stereo channel.....must try later...maybe on weekend...too lazy to drag my PC over to the TV now....smile.gif
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This could clear up some confusion for ATI HDMI user thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 21 2008, 02:58 PM)
Think i'll try tonight. The Sapphire card really cheapskate one, manual pun tadak.(that piece of card inside the box is not very useful)..i guess that's the price you pay for a top brand like Gigabyte and an economical one like  Sapphire.

I've downloaded the manual from Gigabyte's website for their 4850 card. Looks like there's a 'ATI Realtek audio' which can be selected from the control panel. Must give it a go tonite.

Cheers.
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 21 2008, 07:35 PM)
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ATI 4850 and 4870 is 23cm long.

GTX 260 and 280 is 27cm long.

ATI X1900XT n Nvidia 9600GT is around 20cm long
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darm it... my pc cant run 3dmark vantage... how come? tried manytimes.. keep occur errors.
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foxnope, did you download the hotfix patch for futuremark vantage?
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aite, thanks but the link u give me that ... errr ... un-readable..LOL
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ya I know.. but the photo was copyright to that site.. : D
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Nice article comparing between 4800 series' Anti Aliasing

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html...W50aHVzaWFzdA==
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Eh, a question regarding to RBE.

Which clocks should I change for the idle state? Is it the one 500/750?
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 21 2008, 10:01 PM)
I thought for ATi cards Sapphire/HIS/Powercolor are one of those of better quality? I saw on some seller thread mentioning that's why the price are more expansive  hmm.gif
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actually yes.. they onli produce ATI cards.. unlike other brands...
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Do you guys know that we can stress the GC for few seconds by using CCC?
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Hmm.. i saw a thread on HD4850 by coolice. Gainward HD4850 watercooled but the OC is not impressive. Yields only additional 1-2FPS in Crysis at max. OC sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 22 2008, 12:14 AM)
Do you guys know that we can stress the GC for few seconds by using CCC?
The Test Custom Clocks button on Overdrive.It forces the GPU activity > 100%
But last 5 seconds only.Or i am late? doh.gif
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rather stressing using that, better for u to use ATi Tools to stress...
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Yeah i use ATi Tools to stress.But this is for those to check the Load temp for the GC.
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If wanna monitor temperature for gc better use CPUID hardware monitor la, you can find out your max temp after playing game biggrin.gif
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www.. my humble score.. www no tweak no whatever shit.. as long games are playable I'm happy : D

for your references only

3dmark06 - ati hd4870 - 9604 www - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=7538595

old one

3dmark06 - nvidia 9600gt - 8778 ww - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6159142

3dmark05 - ati x1900xt - 10599 w - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2223867

I got more old one, just incase if you people want... hehe.

I play abit of Crysis and Bioshock just now.. everything at high and 1680x1050 no aa damn song..

seriously.. I hope to enjoy more games like Crysis in different genre... which push the pc to the limit. don't you people think PC gaming are dying? come come go go just that few title.. yet our gfx card are getting more meaner and bigger horsepower but it's a shame didn't put it into a good use. I seriously hope.. more and more pc games can really gauge with all these card.
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everyone go for console...sienz des
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jul 22 2008, 12:49 AM)
yea...pc gaming is dying
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Well reason why PC gaming is dying and developers are moving to consoles because pirates are killing them.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 22 2008, 12:34 AM)
Yeah i use ATi Tools to stress.But this is for those to check the Load temp for the GC.
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if u notice la.. using the CCC won't fully show the load temps... it onli show load temps for a few seconds run onli... ATi Tools u can run it for hours and it will show u the true Load temp of the card...
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Jul 22 2008, 03:29 AM)
wah.. ciong ah!! ww wub.gif

thx !

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QUOTE(xpresside @ Jul 22 2008, 03:29 AM)
if i m 4870 new user,which one i need to download?

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wah lauuuu! finally 8.7 arrived. i'm getting my 4870! xD
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 22 2008, 01:05 AM)
Well reason why PC gaming is dying and developers are moving to consoles because pirates are killing them.
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I don't think that's the reason. XBOX360 and WII is also full of piraty stuff. It's development cost and ROI that pushes developer to go for console.

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no, xbox360 piracy is LESS compared to pc. And ppl cant play on live without original game and the banhammer on live is a point y piracy arent so great in 360.
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 22 2008, 12:46 AM)
www.. my humble score.. www no tweak no whatever shit.. as long games are playable I'm happy : D

for your references only

3dmark06 - ati hd4870 - 9604 www - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=7538595

old one

3dmark06 - nvidia 9600gt - 8778 ww - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6159142

3dmark05 - ati x1900xt - 10599 w - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2223867

I got more old one, just incase if you people want... hehe.

I play abit of Crysis and Bioshock just now.. everything at high and 1680x1050 no aa damn song..

seriously.. I hope to enjoy more games like Crysis in different genre... which push the pc to the limit. don't you people think PC gaming are dying? come come go go just that few title.. yet our gfx card are getting more meaner and bigger horsepower but it's a shame didn't put it into a good use. I seriously hope.. more and more pc games can really gauge with all these card.
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You are bottlenecked by your CPU. Your E6400 only 2133Mhz? I'm sure can O/C further. I run my FSB at 350Mhz, CPU @ 350 X 8 =2.8Ghz (E4500 only)...and a 4850 (650/1000) with 2GB can get 11+++ in 3DMark06. Very mild O/C with stock cooler, and slight voltage increase in CPU core.

Increasing FSB does a lot more than CPU speed. Try to get as high FSB as you can get. It's very easy to O/C a C2D and the benefits are very substantial.


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no, xbox360 piracy is LESS compared to pc. And ppl cant play on live without original game and the banhammer on live is a point y piracy arent so great in 360.
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Maybe...but i dun care about online games. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 22 2008, 09:06 AM)
You are bottlenecked by your CPU. Your E6400 only 2133Mhz? I'm sure can O/C further. I run my FSB at 350Mhz, CPU @ 350 X 8 =2.8Ghz (E4500 only)...and a 4850 (650/1000) with 2GB can get 11+++ in 3DMark06. Very mild O/C with stock cooler, and slight voltage increase in CPU core.

Increasing FSB does a lot more than CPU speed. Try to get as high FSB as you can get. It's very easy to O/C a C2D and the benefits are very substantial.
I no oc my pc hardware, coz my pc are on most of the times. I know my cpu is bottlenecking, got plan to change it long time ago but now waiting for nahalem.

I don't play 3dmark2006 anyway... thx for advise! will bench again to see the different.. when I upgrade my cpu.
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Jul 22 2008, 03:29 AM)
Finally...got the first official drivers for 4xxx series...will try tonight.

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wanna check with anyone using RBE to flash thier BIOS.
after flashing the BIOS. can u still use CCC for OC
or is better off to OC with AMDGPUTOOLS?
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QUOTE(daze @ Jul 22 2008, 10:22 AM)
wanna check with anyone using RBE to flash thier BIOS.
after flashing the BIOS. can u still use CCC for OC
or is better off to OC with AMDGPUTOOLS?
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AMD GPU tools sorta screw up my CCC previously, including the fanspeed fix thingy. I think it's better to stick with CCC.

What is RBE? Is there any new VGA BIOS to download? For all brands?

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nope. RBE..BIOS editor.
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can this new CCC 8.7 control the fan speed without edit the profile?
because sometimes it wont using the fan speed i set in the profile one rclxub.gif duno what happen =.=

or there is another software like ATI Tool to control the fan speed one? but have to wait for the new version?
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Clean your driver out...do a fresh installation...create a profile...edit your desired fan settings...fire up your profile. Works for me smile.gif
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QUOTE(chlkaka @ Jul 22 2008, 10:51 AM)
can this new CCC 8.7 control the fan speed without edit the profile?
because sometimes it wont using the fan speed i set in the profile one  rclxub.gif duno what happen =.=

or there is another software like ATI Tool to control the fan speed one? but have to wait for the new version?
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Regarding this fan speed thingy, i've got a question. It works in VISTA but cannot work in XP. The problem is, even though i saved the profile, i can't find it anywhere in the ATI folder! I've already enabled hidden file viewing and searched the whole drive but can't find it. So now if i boot into XP, my GPU will be at 80C when idle....sweat.gif
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shocking news!!

Say goodbye to XFX & EVGA nvidia cards...

THE PAIN JUST KEEPS coming for Nvidia, this time in the partner space. Two of their key 'alpha' partners have just defected.

It is nearly impossible to make money selling Nvidia cards right now, NV squeezed partners margins too much, and when the going got rough, prioritised its own margins over partner survival. This gave partners the choice of popping like a zit financially or moving to less green pastures.

Like Gainward before them, two of the largest ones, XFX and EVGA have defected. Want to bet Nvidia doesn't know yet? In any case, partners leaving a company like rats leaving a sinking ship is never a good sign, lets see what happens in the coming months when the pain really piles on at NV.

The really interesting part is who they defected to, and it isn't ATI. Paperwork has been signed though, and it is a done deal.

Like we said it is going to be an interesting summer.

Source: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new...partners-defect
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I wouldn't bet so much with news from the Inquirer...somemore they're not defecting to ATI? Defect to who then? Intel? And sell integrated GMA GPUs?? doh.gif

But i do heard that some Nvidia partners are on the verge of bankrupt recently due to Nvidia overpriced cards. So it's not suprising they defect. But i still bet it's ATI they defect to.

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Could be Intel's Larrabee hmm.gif

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Wah.. got new driver... Anyone bench already ?? any improvement ? thumbup.gif
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i plan to get a 3rd party cooler to replace the stock one as the temp can go up to 90deg while gaming...any recommendations? the acceleroS1 looks interesting to me...
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 22 2008, 12:34 PM)
Regarding this fan speed thingy, i've got a question. It works in VISTA but cannot work in XP. The problem is, even though i saved the profile, i can't find it anywhere in the ATI folder! I've already enabled hidden file viewing and searched the whole drive but can't find it. So now if i boot into XP, my GPU will be at 80C when idle....sweat.gif
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cant remember the whole path...but i do hav prob finding it at 1st place.
cause the guide is for Vista user.
anyway.. try looking into this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your Windows ID\Local Settings\Application Data\ATI\ACE\Your CCC Profile.XML.


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QUOTE(LeChuCk @ Jul 22 2008, 01:12 PM)
i plan to get a 3rd party cooler to replace the stock one as the temp can go up to 90deg while gaming...any recommendations? the acceleroS1 looks interesting to me...
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change profile fan spd should do a quite decent job..
or RBE for permanent fan speed from boot up.
the stock is capable to dispense the heat effectively enough..hhehehe

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QUOTE(daze @ Jul 22 2008, 01:18 PM)

change profile fan spd should do a quite decent job..
or RBE for permanent fan speed from boot up.
the stock is capable to dispense the heat effectively enough..hhehehe
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any idea what will the temperature might be if I would to increase the fan speed? now idling at 81-82 deg and maxing out to almost 90-91 deg blink.gif
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I wish ati driver can be as good as nvidia.. when handling dual monitor.

any guide on dual monitor for ati card?
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QUOTE(LeChuCk @ Jul 22 2008, 01:22 PM)
any idea what will the temperature might be if I would to increase the fan speed? now idling at 81-82 deg and maxing out to almost 90-91 deg blink.gif
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why not you try it? adjusting the fan speed, won't spoil your fan... doh.gif
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QUOTE(LeChuCk @ Jul 22 2008, 01:22 PM)
any idea what will the temperature might be if I would to increase the fan speed? now idling at 81-82 deg and maxing out to almost 90-91 deg blink.gif
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my one from 72+- idle temp drop to 55+- idle temp by adjusting to 45% fan speed.
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QUOTE(LeChuCk @ Jul 22 2008, 01:12 PM)
i plan to get a 3rd party cooler to replace the stock one as the temp can go up to 90deg while gaming...any recommendations? the acceleroS1 looks interesting to me...
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The accelero S1 is not meant for the 4xxx series. Some say it will kill the card sweat.gif
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Flash the bios and adjust the fan speed works well biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chlkaka @ Jul 22 2008, 01:53 PM)
my one from 72+- idle temp drop to 55+- idle temp by adjusting to 45% fan speed.
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wow..that's quite a big drop...how about noise levels? much noisier?


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The accelero S1 is not meant for the 4xxx series. Some say it will kill the card  sweat.gif
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aiks! how come leh? any incidents that this cooler can kill d card?

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QUOTE(LeChuCk @ Jul 22 2008, 02:30 PM)
wow..that's quite a big drop...how about noise levels? much noisier?
well, my casing side panel is stay with my casing, so the noice different is hardly for me to determine.
but 1 things, the pc beside me which is my brother pc, his power supply is more more more noisy... (icute PSU)
even my psu + my GPU fan noise also cant compete with it . laugh.gif

IMO, the noise below 50% fan speed, is acceptable, wont too obvious one. thumbup.gif
try yourself~ icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(chlkaka @ Jul 22 2008, 02:37 PM)
well, my casing side panel is stay with my casing, so the noice different is hardly for me to determine.
but 1 things, the pc beside me which is my brother pc, his power supply is more more more noisy... (icute PSU)
even my psu + my GPU fan noise also cant compete with it .  laugh.gif

IMO, the noise below 50% fan speed, is acceptable, wont too obvious one.  thumbup.gif
try yourself~  icon_rolleyes.gif
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yup thanks bro..will try tonight biggrin.gif
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Anyone flashed their 4850 with the RBE editor? Want to try tonight...but a bit scared it'll toast it....sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 22 2008, 02:46 PM)
Anyone flashed their 4850 with the RBE editor? Want to try tonight...but a bit scared it'll toast it....sweat.gif
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then got excuse to get 4870x2 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 22 2008, 02:46 PM)
Anyone flashed their 4850 with the RBE editor? Want to try tonight...but a bit scared it'll toast it....sweat.gif
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I am running mine at 720/1000 modified MSI bios at 1.2v for weeks edi smile.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 22 2008, 03:24 PM)
I am running mine at 720/1000 modified MSI bios at 1.2v for weeks edi smile.gif
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ben...it RBE. there's lotta clock setting.
which one u change.. i still haven figure it out yet...
there's like 8-10 clock settign with V setting..

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just change those that is relevant, like normal 2d clock is 500/750, u can try to make it around 160/500 at 1v which will save little bit electric bill. Then for 3d clock, u can see 625/993 clock. Change it to 720/1000 and volt from "--" to 1.2v. The memory clock cant go pass 1000, if not will hang up. I dont know why, probably not enuf juice, need to do pencil voltmod.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 22 2008, 09:01 AM)
no, xbox360 piracy is LESS compared to pc. And ppl cant play on live without original game and the banhammer on live is a point y piracy arent so great in 360.
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hmmm this is where you wrong...sorry to say xbox 360 live is not piracy proof,lots of ppl playing in live using their backup and still havent got banned it just in the matter of pre caution... i own a 360 with a capabilities playing backup been playing in live now n then on it...
well since most of my title for pc is original every now n then i still play my 360 just for the sake of fun...seriously i still prefer gaming on pc rather then a limited console and console graphic are... hmm.gif hmm.gif
so if gaming on pc gonna come to the end i think those like ati n nvidia sure suffer a lot and including intel..
ya we still have the those designer and few other sector which required high end graphic but the its still being monopolyze by gamers,and i dont think pc gaming industries will come to the end anytime soon..
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 22 2008, 03:03 PM)
then got excuse to get 4870x2  biggrin.gif
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Just Try It..

Few Ppl Did It.. And So Far So Good smile.gif

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if i m 4870 new user,i just install driver from the cd.
and what i need to donwload from this website and install it ?
there are too many thing and too many package.
i m using vista 32bit.
thank you
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QUOTE(xiang87 @ Jul 22 2008, 07:18 PM)
if i m 4870 new user,i just install driver from the cd.
and what i need to donwload from this website and install it ?
there are too many thing and too many package.
i m using vista 32bit.
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better download latest driver for ati.com

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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 22 2008, 05:46 PM)
hmmm this is where you wrong...sorry to say xbox 360 live is not piracy proof,lots of ppl playing in live using their backup and still havent got banned it just in the matter of pre caution... i own a 360 with a capabilities playing backup been playing in live now n then on it...
well since most of my title for pc is original every now n then i still play my 360 just for the sake of fun...seriously i still prefer gaming on pc rather then  a limited console and console graphic are... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
so if gaming on pc gonna come to the end i think those like ati n nvidia sure suffer a lot and including intel..
ya we still have the those designer and few other sector which required high end graphic but the its still being monopolyze by gamers,and i dont think pc gaming industries will come to the end anytime soon..
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Anything u can say about pc game but most of the ppl are admitting that they are coming to an end, not very soon perhaps. But u can see it after 5-10years. Whenever a new console comes out, it surpass the capability of the computer processing power. That time xbox 360 came out, and it outperform everything. Then only pc introduce core 2 duo then so on. Gaming on pc feel better becos u are sitting on a pc online chatting, surfing, do ur job. So by feel, it is normal to feel better. U can see everything going for multiplatform or developers migrate to console platform. Anyhow, i think gaming wise, console is much more hassle free, pay 1k, u enjoy all the next gen game rather than pay 3 to 4k to enjoy the same thing smile.gif Maybe that's my feeling, but i have been on pc gaming since intel 486 proc days, i have seen the rise and glory of pc and the fall of it tongue.gif

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just now i just download and install the latest driver.
it looks like the fan speed wont change.
now i install the driver from cd again.
there got a lot driver for vista 32bit
and each driver got many option
it make the new user confuse,i m one of the new user.
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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 22 2008, 05:46 PM)
hmmm this is where you wrong...sorry to say xbox 360 live is not piracy proof,lots of ppl playing in live using their backup and still havent got banned it just in the matter of pre caution... i own a 360 with a capabilities playing backup been playing in live now n then on it...
well since most of my title for pc is original every now n then i still play my 360 just for the sake of fun...seriously i still prefer gaming on pc rather then  a limited console and console graphic are... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
so if gaming on pc gonna come to the end i think those like ati n nvidia sure suffer a lot and including intel..
ya we still have the those designer and few other sector which required high end graphic but the its still being monopolyze by gamers,and i dont think pc gaming industries will come to the end anytime soon..
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Not really. remember, PS3=Nvidia, XBOX360 & WII=ATI.


Added on July 22, 2008, 7:46 pmI still dunno how to to use the RBE lah...everything blank and you have to fill it up? What if i fill in wrong value? scary...


Added on July 22, 2008, 8:16 pmJust updated the 8.7 drivers...3D Mark 06 doesn't shows any improvement, still 11xxx points. Oh well, as long as it runs fine, don't bother. smile.gif


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i update to 8.7 too
then run 3dmark vantage, 8.7 score lower then 8.6 about 100 points
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i don think updated is good.
just now updated and make cannot change the fan speed.
the temp around 90'c,Fxxx the 8.7
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QUOTE(xiang87 @ Jul 22 2008, 08:24 PM)
i don think updated is good.
just now updated and make cannot change the fan speed.
the temp around 90'c,Fxxx the  8.7
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QUOTE(xiang87 @ Jul 22 2008, 08:24 PM)
i don think updated is good.
just now updated and make cannot change the fan speed.
the temp around 90'c,Fxxx the  8.7
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I can answer ur question.
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Now u can change the fan speed with profile manager again.


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is it possible with XP?

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 22 2008, 08:53 PM)
I can answer ur question.
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Now u can change the fan speed with profile manager again.
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Yep, i've no problem changing the fan speed. VISTA and XP both works.


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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jul 22 2008, 08:21 PM)
i update to 8.7 too
then run 3dmark vantage, 8.7 score lower then 8.6 about 100 points
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100 points difference is just sample errors. It doesn't mean anything unless you compare 10 tests in each version and see the average difference.


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8.7 beta give a gain of 500marks in GPU score at least. I hard they say the driver version of 8.7 official is older than 8.7 beta, weird ya ..
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 22 2008, 09:15 PM)
Yep, i've no problem changing the fan speed. VISTA and XP both works.


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100 points difference is just sample errors. It doesn't mean anything unless you compare 10 tests in each version and see the average difference.
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coz you can run 10 times but all the score is difference, hehe
just pointing out that it seems dont have any improvement compare to 8.6
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Remember to set MANUAL on Fan speed profile.Because new driver now it sets Automatically.
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yea
AMD supporter here.
btw is this good if i enable the triple buffering and force 24-bit?
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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 22 2008, 09:46 PM)
yea
AMD supporter here.
btw is this good if i enable the triple buffering and force 24-bit?
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Faster Buy 4870 biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 21 2008, 07:40 PM)
hehehe here is my benchmark with vantage:
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Mobo : Asus Rampage Formula
Ram : G SkilL ddr 1000Mhz 2x2Gb @ 1066Mhz
GPU : Sapphire HD4870 Crossfire 790/1100
OS : Windows Vista Ultimate 64 SP1
Driver : Ati Catalyst 8.6 hotfixes

scores:

EnTry:             26517
Performance:   13854

HigH: 10221
XtReeM:
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slight improvement for me only did a performance test:

my current score is: p:14052

and it seem that flickering problem that i been having whenever i oc my memory totally gone..

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I have run my 3dMark06 with default clock.
13139 Result.
But i still having problem on running 3d mark vantage... is doest work at all..
strange...
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QUOTE(FoxNope @ Jul 22 2008, 09:55 PM)
I have run my 3dMark06 with default clock.
13139 Result.
But i still having problem on running 3d mark vantage... is doest work at all..
strange...
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erm.. are you meaning uninstall the 3dMark Vantage or Reformat the OS..

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Reformat the OS.
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Hmm... a big job going to do...
ok then... lets give them a try...
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I personally think that it got to do with the system info scanning while running Vantage. The problem could be lied in the ICH9R driver for the RAID setup. Try to remove the device from Device Manager, remove the driver completely and reboot until windows found an older driver & it works. Have you tried adding -nosysteminfo to the exe properties to see if Vantage will run in the first place? Have you tried completely uninstalling Vantage, removing all registry entries and then trying again with the latest complete version?

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 22 2008, 10:01 PM)
Reformat the OS.
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If you guys having problem with the heat, I really suggest you get Thermaltake HR03-GT as what I can recommend coz personally I used it and I think it is good for the 4870.

I'm getting like 57-59 idle. I use artic silver 5 on it. A Zalman fan on top of the cooler. Non air-con room.

I tried to run the stock cooler for the first time to check whether it can start.. wow.. I'm shock by the noise it make. I still haven't do the profile thing you people mention.

Even the sales guy and a fren also said alot people are changing to stock cooler as it is very hot. Most people are buying Thermaltake Duo Orb for it.


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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 22 2008, 10:35 PM)
If you guys having problem with the heat, I really suggest you get Thermaltake HR03-GT as what I can recommend coz personally I used it and I think it is good for the 4870.

I'm getting like 57-59 idle. I use artic silver 5 on it. A Zalman fan on top of the cooler. Non air-con room.

I tried to run the stock cooler for the first time to check whether it can start.. wow.. I'm shock by the noise it make. I still haven't do the profile thing you people mention.

Even the sales guy and a fren also said alot people are changing to stock cooler as it is very hot. Most people are buying Thermaltake Duo Orb for it.
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 22 2008, 10:35 PM)
If you guys having problem with the heat, I really suggest you get Thermaltake HR03-GT as what I can recommend coz personally I used it and I think it is good for the 4870.

I'm getting like 57-59 idle. I use artic silver 5 on it. A Zalman fan on top of the cooler. Non air-con room.

I tried to run the stock cooler for the first time to check whether it can start.. wow.. I'm shock by the noise it make. I still haven't do the profile thing you people mention.

Even the sales guy and a fren also said alot people are changing to stock cooler as it is very hot. Most people are buying Thermaltake Duo Orb for it.
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errr... do u mean by Thermalright??
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If you guys having problem with the heat, I really suggest you get Thermaltake HR03-GT as what I can recommend coz personally I used it and I think it is good for the 4870.

I'm getting like 57-59 idle. I use artic silver 5 on it. A Zalman fan on top of the cooler. Non air-con room.

I tried to run the stock cooler for the first time to check whether it can start.. wow.. I'm shock by the noise it make. I still haven't do the profile thing you people mention.

Even the sales guy and a fren also said alot people are changing to stock cooler as it is very hot. Most people are buying Thermaltake Duo Orb for it.
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bro, can u post ur temperature using gpu-z? want to use it as a reference smile.gif
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These cards can take temperature up to 100C + so i wouldnt be so worried about the temperature
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bro, can u post ur temperature using gpu-z? want to use it as a reference  smile.gif
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Im kinda confuse right now, im using gpu-z to monitor the temperature but i notice the software got 3 different temperature reading at the below. Can anyone tell want those 3 temperature for?
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:18 PM)
These cards can take temperature up to 100C + so i wouldnt be so worried about the temperature
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Anyone know about PowerColor 4870 with non reference cooler ?? I think its called Zero Term.. correct if im wrong..
According to my friend the temp drop is about 20c
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 22 2008, 11:48 PM)
Anyone know about PowerColor 4870 with non reference cooler ?? I think its called Zero Term.. correct if im wrong..
According to my friend the temp drop is about 20c
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We managed to get more details about the upcoming Powercolor HD 4870 PCS card, the same one that was pictured recently. According to our sources, this card will be available in two versions, the 512MB and the 1GB version and both of the cards will be cooled by Powercolor's PCS cooling. We managed to confirm that the GPU will be overclocked to 800MHz.

The cooler itself is custom made by Zerotherm and it comes with dual S-shape 6mm diameter heatpipes which are connected to no less than 94 aluminum fins. The heatsink is cooled by a 2 ball bearing 8 cm fan. As we wrote before, this should reduce the cards temperature up to 20°C when compared to the reference cooling.

Another interesting detail is the card's phase power design, as Powercolor decided to change some things there as well. As you may know, the reference HD 4870 comes with 3-phase core and 2-phase memory power design. According to our sources, the new Powercolor HD 4870 PCS will use 4-phase core and 2-phase memory power design.

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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 23 2008, 12:00 AM)
We managed to get more details about the upcoming Powercolor HD 4870 PCS card, the same one that was pictured recently. According to our sources, this card will be available in two versions, the 512MB and the 1GB version and both of the cards will be cooled by Powercolor's PCS cooling. We managed to confirm that the GPU will be overclocked to 800MHz.

The cooler itself is custom made by Zerotherm and it comes with dual S-shape 6mm diameter heatpipes which are connected to no less than 94 aluminum fins. The heatsink is cooled by a 2 ball bearing 8 cm fan. As we wrote before, this should reduce the cards temperature up to 20°C when compared to the reference cooling.

Another interesting detail is the card's phase power design, as Powercolor decided to change some things there as well. As you may know, the reference HD 4870 comes with 3-phase core and 2-phase memory power design. According to our sources, the new Powercolor HD 4870 PCS will use 4-phase core and 2-phase memory power design.

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Does it really cool down the card by 20c ??

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WAOMG..... you think can get that thing here within two weeks ar? Hahahahaha
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QUOTE(amirisme @ Jul 23 2008, 01:11 AM)
WAOMG..... you think can get that thing here within two weeks ar? Hahahahaha
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damn..... I really need to get a card before 2 weeks. And this card lyke so nice: custom cooler, overclocked, gigabyte rams...... i'd be so pissed if it would come out just in 3 or 4 weeks
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QUOTE(amirisme @ Jul 23 2008, 01:11 AM)
WAOMG..... you think can get that thing here within two weeks ar? Hahahahaha
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But i think Asus TOP is faster.IINM some said its 815Mhz.
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I will wait for PowerColor ZeroTherm
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 23 2008, 02:02 AM)
I will wait for PowerColor ZeroTherm
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better buy now, there's no point in waiting tongue.gif
btw i just ordered another 4850, cant wait to test 4850 cf performance laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Jul 23 2008, 02:15 AM)
better buy now, there's no point in waiting tongue.gif
btw i just ordered another 4850, cant wait to test 4850 cf performance  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 22 2008, 10:01 PM)
Reformat the OS.
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Just reformat the OS... run the vantage.. not working..
The problem for this time even bad... just giving me a Black Screen...
Before that at least having the 1st test loading screen.

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 22 2008, 10:23 PM)
I personally think that it got to do with the system info scanning while running Vantage. The problem could be lied in the ICH9R driver for the RAID setup. Try to remove the device from Device Manager, remove the driver completely and reboot until windows found an older driver & it works. Have you tried adding -nosysteminfo to the exe properties to see if Vantage will run in the first place? Have you tried completely uninstalling Vantage, removing all registry entries and then trying again with the latest complete version?
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DO you means try to remove the 3DMark Vantage or the ICH9R?
If 3dmark.. yeah i tried.
Not really understand the "-nosysteminfo to the properties" means... but i will google it after this.

*I downloaded the 3dmark vantage, and already patch the hotfix version...

Last question..
So far what is the average 4850 CrossFire user 3dMark06 and 3dMark Vantage score?
I got only 14816 on 3dmark06.

Thank You.

added: I tried the -nosysteminfo. Not working. "CreatePixelShader Invalid"

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QUOTE(FoxNope @ Jul 23 2008, 03:52 AM)
Just reformat the OS... run the vantage.. not working..
The problem for this time even bad... just giving me a Black Screen...
Before that at least having the 1st test loading screen.
DO you means try to remove the 3DMark Vantage or the ICH9R?
If 3dmark.. yeah i tried.
Not really understand the "-nosysteminfo to the properties" means... but i will google it after this.

*I downloaded the 3dmark vantage, and already patch the hotfix version...

Last question..
So far what is the average 4850 CrossFire user 3dMark06 and 3dMark Vantage score?
I got only 14816 on 3dmark06.

Thank You.

added: I tried the -nosysteminfo. Not working. "CreatePixelShader Invalid"
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If u hv ICH9R driver installed, remove/uninstall it from Device Manager. I guess there's a hardware conflict during system info scanning while running Vantage. Try to reinstall the ATI Catalyst driver AFTER installing Vantage. Btw, did u experience this error in Vantage alone or the same thing happened with 3DMark06 as well? If both of them also producing error could be ur card is faulty in the worst case. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:18 PM)
These cards can take temperature up to 100C + so i wouldnt be so worried about the temperature
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True, my 6600gt agp running load at 95c, after 3-4 years, it is still working lolz.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 23 2008, 07:47 AM)
True, my 6600gt agp running load at 95c, after 3-4 years, it is still working lolz.
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Yep, actually these sillicons can tahan very high degree of temperature. Otherwise, NVIDIA and ATI all bankrupt already if these chips cannot take the heat with massive failure rates.

So no need waste money on extra cooler (and use extra space in an already cramp case that can barely fit the card already!). Even if 3 or 4 years down the road it failed, it's not worth anything already by that time...LOL. time to upgrade. smile.gif


Added on July 23, 2008, 9:22 amMore question on RBE:

i've just realized i've to download the BIOS file and load it...doh.gif doh.gif

So now i can see the info, but i get a message in the front page box saying "Warning: Power not connected...(or something like that)"...why is it saying that? I already connected the 6 pin PCIE to the card already, otherwise cannot use also...anyone can explain?


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wonder how u all installing a new driver?
uninstall old version first only install new version?
or just straight install new version without removing old version?
noob here~ laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chlkaka @ Jul 23 2008, 09:26 AM)
wonder how u all installing a new driver?
uninstall old version first only install new version?
or just straight install new version without removing old version?
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No need to uninstall, just install over it.
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As i know ATI need remove old driver b4 install new one to prevent any error. I do this pratice as well.

Correct me if wrong.
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i overlapped the driver since 8 series catalyst... since they change it most every month..
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 23 2008, 10:32 AM)
As i know ATI need remove old driver b4 install new one to prevent any error. I do this pratice as well.

Correct me if wrong.
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 23 2008, 09:37 AM)
yes its true, u kenot overwirte ati driver.
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 23 2008, 09:37 AM)
yes its true, u kenot overwirte ati driver.
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Sure or not? I've overwrite in both XP and VISTA...no problem whatsoever. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2008, 09:16 AM)
Yep, actually these sillicons can tahan very high degree of temperature. Otherwise, NVIDIA and ATI all bankrupt already if these chips cannot take the heat with massive failure rates.

So no need waste money on extra cooler (and use extra space in an already cramp case that can barely fit the card already!). Even if 3 or 4 years down the road it failed, it's not worth anything already by that time...LOL. time to upgrade. smile.gif


Added on July 23, 2008, 9:22 amMore question on RBE:

i've just realized i've to download the BIOS file and load it...doh.gif doh.gif

So now i can see the info, but i get a message in the front page box saying "Warning: Power not connected...(or something like that)"...why is it saying that? I already connected the 6 pin PCIE to the card already, otherwise cannot use also...anyone can explain?
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That is normal one, dont care it. Becos the bios is not loaded straight from the card. I think only NiBiTor can load straight from card. What u care is the clock speed since all the cards are reference card.


Added on July 23, 2008, 10:12 amBtw, microsoft has announced Directx 11, bad news bad news sad.gif

http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/892/892734p1.html

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2008, 11:02 AM)
Sure or not? I've overwrite in both XP and VISTA...no problem whatsoever.  hmm.gif
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ATi drivers update or installation methods
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DirectX 11? Geez.. Micro$oft sure knows how to squeeze $$ only. I guess the DirectX 10 has not been maturize yet as not many PC games on DX10 yet.
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DX 11..Its expected to release before the Windows SeVen(7) is release.Schedule 1H 2009 and Q4 2009.
I guess the HD 6000 Series will support it. sweat.gif
Or RV900 Series. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 23 2008, 10:53 AM)
DirectX 11? Geez.. Micro$oft sure knows how to squeeze $$ only. I guess the DirectX 10 has not been maturize yet as not many PC games on DX10 yet.
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Jul 23 2008, 10:59 AM)
no la, m$ doesnt get any muney when developer make dx11 games on their windows OS
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Emm why not? If DX11 has so huge an improvement over DX10 and supporting multi-cores processor, i guess it should boost the sales of Vista. I guess it's good for the giants since there's always on-going business for the GC manufacturers.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 23 2008, 11:01 AM)
Emm why not? If DX11 has so huge an improvement over DX10 and supporting multi-cores processor, i guess it should boost the sales of Vista. I guess it's good for the giants since there's always on-going business for the GC manufacturers.
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anyone tried this?

Catalyst 8.7(maybe?) hotfix : http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default...uestionID=35298
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Jul 23 2008, 11:08 AM)
DX11 in vista? i though it will comes with windows 7, not really sure, read few article windows will intro windows 7 by end of next year and dx11 will out bout same frame time, so i think it will comes in windows 7 not in vista
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laugh.gif ..Then DX11 will be Windows 7 exclusive.. no DX11 for Vista/XP tongue.gif.. Well they still make more bucks smile.gif
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I still wonder how's Windows SeVen(7) though tongue.gif
By the way,who's waiting RV 730 and RV710 for their old machine?
Microsoft said it will be released before the Windows SeVen(7) does.So Windows Vista does support it(You need a card to support it thou doh.gif)
By the way i think the hotfix is newest one.Becos i check the file name different from the 8.6 hotfix.I guess next time ba(I'll wait for 8.8 Driver instead).

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Some update with the temp.

I tried to play The Witcher just now for like 2-3hrs of gameplay while monitoring the temp at the other monitor.

It never pass 70'c .. most of the time I check is 66'c using Gpu-z

My setting in The Witcher is 1920x1200 .. everything at max. I know The Witcher is not an intensive game.. like Crysis, this is purely only for references.
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Anybody tried the new Catalyst 8.7 for the HD4000 series card? Any improvement as the driver release note claims? Any temperature change?
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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Jul 23 2008, 12:41 PM)
Anybody tried the new Catalyst 8.7 for the HD4000 series card? Any improvement as the driver release note claims? Any temperature change?
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nothing change, same shit..


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yup, directx is on vista, u can see it from the last paragraph:
As DirectX 10 runs only on Windows Vista, though, an operating system widely criticized for its stability problems and not particularly beloved by gamers, it remains to be seen whether DirectX 11 can increase the OS' penetration or whether Windows XP will remain the gaming operating system of choice.

It means that will directx 11 save vista and increase its OS' penetration among gamers.


Added on July 23, 2008, 1:54 pmBtw, it is coming early 2009.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 23 2008, 01:54 PM)
yup, directx is on vista, u can see it from the last paragraph:
As DirectX 10 runs only on Windows Vista, though, an operating system widely criticized for its stability problems and not particularly beloved by gamers, it remains to be seen whether DirectX 11 can increase the OS' penetration or whether Windows XP will remain the gaming operating system of choice.

It means that will directx 11 save vista and increase its OS' penetration among gamers.


Added on July 23, 2008, 1:54 pmBtw, it is coming early 2009.
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Nah it won't be that early.

Read this:

http://www.winvistaclub.com/i7.html

It'll still be a long way to go.

Nothing wrong with VISTA, AFAIK, it's only when you run old apps that is not compatible then you'll have problem.
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crossfire 2 x hd4870 need what kw psu?

Corsair HX620 enough?
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ati got provide software to change monitor screen ratio?
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 23 2008, 12:45 PM)
nothing change, same shit..
HD4870 Crossfire Watercooled. Enjoy ~
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crossfire 2 x hd4870 need what kw psu?

Corsair HX620 enough?
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ur zeus is more then enough im running 4870 cf with st75zf..

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ur zeus is more then enough im running 4870 cf with st75zf..
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yeah, my zeus is damn nice and can handle CF or SLi no problem...
just that my case cant hold this long psu... need to take out a hdd cage... blush.gif
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st75zf is well known, stable on SLi 8800gtx.
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QUOTE(butthead012 @ Jul 23 2008, 05:57 PM)
yeah, my zeus is damn nice and can handle CF or SLi no problem...
just that my case cant hold this long psu... need to take out a hdd cage...  blush.gif
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Suggest You Change Your Case brows.gif brows.gif
Keep Your Zues 750w To Run CF 4870

Make It Easy..

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Finally able to run the 3dmark Vantage after format and format again.
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3dmark vantahe = 9181
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QUOTE(butthead012 @ Jul 23 2008, 05:31 PM)
crossfire 2 x hd4870 need what kw psu?

Corsair HX620 enough?
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Some forum said can, here ppl say cant.

Not sure no one tried before. I'm also HX620W
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9181 for 4850 CF seems not that high wo....hmm....
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jul 23 2008, 06:49 PM)
9181 for 4850 CF seems not that high wo....hmm....
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No offence. Just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(FoxNope @ Jul 23 2008, 06:40 PM)
Finally able to run the 3dmark Vantage after format and format again.
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watssup with your proc speed..you enable some stuff? turn it off...BTW is ur proc oc?at least try to get it to 4.0ghz it should show some diff..
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DX11 in vista? i though it will comes with windows 7, not really sure, read few article windows will intro windows 7 by end of next year and dx11 will out bout same frame time, so i think it will comes in windows 7 not in vista
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erm...DX11 can run on current Vista and future Microsoft OS. smile.gif

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/111/111934.htm
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my god,someone 3dmark06 can reach 30k++
i just score 9k++ only.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2008, 06:55 PM)
I really cannot understand why people is so bother about benchmark scores...reformatting PC 10 times just to do some test...when you can have so much fun playing games and enjoying the REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE gain and mooping about some numbers to boost your e-ego.

No offence. Just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2008, 06:55 PM)
I really cannot understand why people is so bother about benchmark scores...reformatting PC 10 times just to do some test...when you can have so much fun playing games and enjoying the REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE gain and mooping about some numbers to boost your e-ego.

No offence. Just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jul 23 2008, 07:44 PM)
Not everyone like to play game,like me biggrin.gif Bench is more fun for ocer icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(SeaMonster @ Jul 23 2008, 06:29 PM)
Suggest You Change Your Case  brows.gif  brows.gif
Keep Your Zues 750w To Run CF 4870

Make It Easy..
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2008, 06:55 PM)
I really cannot understand why people is so bother about benchmark scores...reformatting PC 10 times just to do some test...when you can have so much fun playing games and enjoying the REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE gain and mooping about some numbers to boost your e-ego.

No offence. Just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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i will most likely do that too smile.gif

play games is 1 thing, but benchmark is another
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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 23 2008, 07:31 PM)
watssup with your proc speed..you enable some stuff? turn it off...BTW is ur proc oc?at least try to get it to 4.0ghz it should show some diff..
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what wrong with the proc speed?

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yeah, i will do whatever just to get benchmark working... just gaming is just too bored for me... everyday gaming also sien la
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QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jul 23 2008, 07:33 PM)
erm...DX11 can run on current Vista and future Microsoft OS. smile.gif

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/111/111934.htm
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1st i don't understand what it said coz it wasn't english

2nd yup just read other article that dx11 con support on vista, but i strongly believe that dx11 exclusively for windows seven, and ppl will go for windows seven due vista got many bad feedback
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QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Jul 23 2008, 05:55 PM)
hmm this is a great score..yours?damn good but got any benchmark on vantage?coz this score extremely offset coz of processor speed..huhuhu damn good oc though..just want to see roughly at 4.0ghz with that core clock 895 doing on vantage.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Not mine, saw it in a post at hardwarezone. I also duno where he gotten the score. I oledi posted mine earlier before that. I'm not on crossfire also. Impress with that score. Once again ppl who having issue with heat on 4870 get a 3rd party cooler. I played the witcher for like 5 hrs n again monitoring the temp never pass 70'c. I'm not in aircon n not poluted by fan noise. I'm so enjoying the game til i forgot time to work www. Play at 1920x1200 at max detail is something what my previous 9600GT hard to do. I'm very sensitive with the temp thing, i prefer to run them cool. Wow imagine playing fifa or winning evelen at that resolution.
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when benches goes above a certain mark/value, thats where the 'my e-penis is bigger than yours' competition starts.

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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 23 2008, 12:45 PM)
nothing change, same shit..
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Concernin the benchmark thing long long time ago around 3dmark01 era that time i play alot of benchmark with my gfx card. Especialy when ATI 9700pro that era. Now maybe old liao ww for the past few yr whenever i buy a new card i just use the 3dmark to test the card stability. The score doesnt mean anythin to me anymore but im always still impress with the ppl who try to push n compete the score at the database.

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If wan stress/test stability i think ATi tools enough?Or need some gaming too?
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 23 2008, 11:51 PM)
If wan stress/test stability i think ATi tools enough?Or need some gaming too?
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is there a plugin or something to fake the 3dmark result .. just wondering..
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QUOTE(studwo @ Jul 24 2008, 02:56 AM)
is there a plugin or something to fake the 3dmark result .. just wondering..
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Hey i've just build a rig with sapphire 4870. Want to ask a question here.

I play crysis at high setting and it runs smoothly. But after play for a while, my pc hang ohmy.gif . Need to restart. What's the cause? Is it because the card is too hot? It's 77'C when idle and 82'C when load, watch the temperature at CCC. Or is it because of the driver problem? Or because the game problem itself?

And is the temperature ok? I use gigabyte odin 800W. ohmy.gif
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85C load still can play games, i tested 5hrs straigt with HD4850 no problems. maybe u should check ur rams ur mobo? if Crysis got problem try other games like World In Conflict or Lost Planet?
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 24 2008, 09:10 AM)
85C load still can play games, i tested 5hrs straigt with HD4850 no problems. maybe u should check ur rams ur mobo? if Crysis got problem try other games like World In Conflict or Lost Planet?
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QUOTE(Federer @ Jul 24 2008, 09:19 AM)
I use 2gb team xtreem in vista. Mobo biostar tp i45. All brand new items. Other games- neverwinter nights 2 played for a while.Will play for a longer period after this. Will find more game soon, from my friend. I use ATI catalyst 8.6.
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get the 8.7 driver .. and check if your motherboard driver are updated.

what psu you use? could be psu also. 77'c idle is damn hot.. I wonder how you can bear with it. flex.gif


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QUOTE(Federer @ Jul 24 2008, 08:58 AM)
Hey i've just build a rig with sapphire 4870. Want to ask a question here.

I play crysis at high setting and it runs smoothly. But after play for a while, my pc hang ohmy.gif . Need to restart. What's the cause? Is it because the card is too hot? It's 77'C when idle and 82'C when load, watch the temperature at CCC. Or is it because of the driver problem? Or because the game problem itself?

And is the temperature ok? I use gigabyte odin 800W.  ohmy.gif
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ouch laugh.gif try lower the fan speed and see...i did that and temps drop 50 degrees from 70 degrees with fan full speed previously in idle mode rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Jul 24 2008, 10:35 AM)
ouch laugh.gif try lower the fan speed and see...i did that and temps drop 50 degrees from 70 degrees with fan full speed previously in idle mode rclxms.gif
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u mean increase the fan speed? tongue.gif yeah i did that too now running at 55% speed and temp is at 55deg idle, which is acceptable to me considering the fact that at 65% fan speed is too noisy for me...last time idle 80deg with default settings..my gc sweat.gif

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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 24 2008, 09:57 AM)
get the 8.7 driver .. and check if your motherboard driver are updated.

what psu you use? could be psu also. 77'c idle is damn hot.. I wonder how you can bear with it.  flex.gif
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Jul 24 2008, 10:35 AM)
ouch laugh.gif try lower the fan speed and see...i did that and temps drop 50 degrees from 70 degrees with fan full speed previously in idle mode rclxms.gif
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Increase? What speed do u recommend? i read that increasing the fan speed is quite noisy. I wonder what's the default speed.

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Increase it to 30~50%
By the way,the new 8.7 driver is already automatically.Tested and its idle around 60C.Automatically means,automatically control the fan speed according to our task.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 24 2008, 11:16 AM)
Increase it to 30~50%
By the way,the new 8.7 driver is already automatically.Tested and its idle around 60C.Automatically means,automatically control the fan speed according to our task.
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ok.. will change it when go back to my room after this smile.gif

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 24 2008, 11:16 AM)
Increase it to 30~50%
By the way,the new 8.7 driver is already automatically.Tested and its idle around 60C.Automatically means,automatically control the fan speed according to our task.
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so do you means .. got to change the fan speed control from "Manual" back to "Automatic" in profile?
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 24 2008, 03:02 AM)
Why? u wanna fake it ?
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Catalyst 8.7 got automatic fanspeed liaw?
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huh?
got automatic meh?
mine still at 80 degree when idle eh
din see it auto cooldown also
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does it apply to xp?
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I dont know but its set automatically.I checked it.I make a profile,then i save at 50% but still same.So i check,and it setted to Auto..So i change to Manual and it works.
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I got 1 question: I set the AA setting to 4x "Edge Detect" but it wont show any effect in GRID. I turn off the AA in GRID menu edi but still no effect.
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same here,i changed all the setting to maximun in ccc.
and play grid i see the word so weird,then i change it to performance.
the game and word become more nice.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 24 2008, 07:11 PM)
I got 1 question: I set the AA setting to 4x "Edge Detect" but it wont show any effect in GRID. I turn off the AA in GRID menu edi but still no effect.
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do u guys (ATI users) change the 3D setting to maximun in catalsyt contrl centel?
included:anti aliasing,adaptive anti aliasing,arisontropic fitering,catalyst AI,mipmap detal level.
actually how to improve the image when i see the movie?
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Image/IQ on movie should be the Avivo.But i think the Settings already better.
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Just sharing some of my experience with PowerColor HD4870

I went to my friend shop today.. And they decided to test the 4870 stock to see the result. And we did it.. Score is not bad.. But bottleneck by the CPU coz only using AMD X2 4000+.

One funny thing is.. We set the reference cooler fan speed to 60% and the idle temp for 4870 is lower than the 4850 we have tested...

4870 idle temp is 38c only.. No joke... rclxub.gif (But very loud like vacuum cleaner..)
4850 idle temp is 45c

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y not? 4870 got better dual slot cooler le..
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 24 2008, 10:07 PM)
Just sharing some of my experience with PowerColor HD4870

I went to my friend shop today.. And they decided to test the 4870 stock to see the result. And we did it.. Score is not bad.. But bottleneck by the CPU coz only using AMD X2 4000+.

One funny thing is.. We set the reference cooler fan speed to 60% and the idle temp for 4870 is lower than the 4850 we have tested...

4870 idle temp is 38c only.. No joke...  rclxub.gif (But very loud like vacuum cleaner..)
4850 idle temp is 45c
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In that case it's better off getting a 3rd party cooler smile.gif. But i've seen coolice 4850 overclocking the result not impressive. Max. OC only gains 1-2FPS in Crysis sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:23 PM)
y not? 4870 got better dual slot cooler le..
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We are on naked setup...

QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 24 2008, 10:28 PM)
In that case it's better off getting a 3rd party cooler smile.gif. But i've seen coolice 4850 overclocking the result not impressive. Max. OC only gains 1-2FPS in Crysis sweat.gif
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Yeah.. 4870 is better..

The setup we tested this noon...

GPU score is 7k on P and 5k on H.. default clocks... bottleneck by cpu.. AMD X2 4000+ only..

Pic...

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Naked setup doesnt justify anything.The air is properly dumb out from the back while the 4850 might have some air trapping behind. ANd also, the heatsink for 4870 is biggger, summore the fan is also bigger, of coz 4870 is giving better cooling at higher fan speed. U can see how puny is the 4850 fan.

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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
We are on naked setup...
Yeah.. 4870 is better..

The setup we tested this noon...

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The fan as loud as hand dryer zzzz, 50% still can stand. Borrow us u Q9450 i wanna test wink.gif .
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Will be an ATi HIS HD4850 owner soon......

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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Jul 24 2008, 11:56 PM)
Will be an ATi HIS HD4850 owner soon......

Hohohohohho ph34r.gif  ph34r.gif  ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 24 2008, 11:52 PM)
The fan as loud as hand dryer zzzz, 50% still can stand. Borrow us u Q9450 i wanna test wink.gif .
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 24 2008, 10:30 PM)
We are on naked setup...
Yeah.. 4870 is better..

The setup we tested this noon...

GPU score is 7k on P and 5k on H.. default clocks... bottleneck by cpu.. AMD X2 4000+ only..

Pic...
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 AM)
how about max oc on crysis at least 1680x1050 ?  smile.gif
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Nope didnt test...
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Jul 25 2008, 12:53 AM)
for me.. gameplay result better than benchmarks tongue.gif
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It'd be nice if you could test 4850 in a naked environment biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Jul 25 2008, 01:31 AM)
It'd be nice if you could test 4850 in a naked environment biggrin.gif
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Just got a 4870. Installed 8.7 clean on a fresh Vista on brand new HDD. Temps were hovering at 76 degrees idle, so then I set it to manual at 50%.

Holy hell it was so loud I couldn't hear myself think 0.o

It's now at 31% and 49 degrees idle, any more and the volume would significantly increase.

Gonna get a HR-03GT, as it is now the card is too hot and noisy.

Edit: I just put it under some load, temps shot up to 65 degrees but fan didn't adjust. In manual mode, the fan will not increase with the temperature, even if it hits a critical threshold?

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it depends on game developer to allow external AA setting, in tis case edge detect is unable to work in GRID

however wen I try edge detect in Age of Conan it works but fps drop alot..

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 24 2008, 07:11 PM)
I got 1 question: I set the AA setting to 4x "Edge Detect" but it wont show any effect in GRID. I turn off the AA in GRID menu edi but still no effect.
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Jul 25 2008, 02:31 AM)
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Seriously I really wonder how you people can bear with the noise it make when it pump up the fan speed..

when the first time I buy.. I put in and test whether can start.. 5 min later .. I stripped it naked and put in on with Thermalright HR03 GT and artic silver 5.. then enjoy my card starting from there till now..

run a benchmark on 3dmark06 to test stability, checking the temp and no f***in noise which I cannot bear especially when I play game. so far the longest game I play on it was The Witcher for like 5-6hours of gameplay.. no lock up or crash bullshit...

so far so good.. I loved it.. and I highly recommend you to get the 3rd party cooler.. if you plan to run crossfire get thermaltake duoorb...

I got my thermalright last time for sgd95.. ya I know fukin expensive.. but.. I wanna tell you it fukin worth every penny! : D
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 25 2008, 11:20 AM)
Seriously I really wonder how you people can bear with the noise it make when it pump up the fan speed..

when the first time I buy.. I put in and test whether can start.. 5 min later .. I stripped it naked and put in on with Thermalright HR03 GT and artic silver 5.. then enjoy my card starting from there till now..

run a benchmark on 3dmark06 to test stability, checking the temp and no f***in noise which I cannot bear especially when I play game. so far the longest game I play on it was The Witcher for like 5-6hours of gameplay.. no lock up or crash bullshit...

so far so good.. I loved it.. and I highly recommend you to get the 3rd party cooler.. if you plan to run crossfire get thermaltake duoorb...

I got my thermalright last time for sgd95.. ya I know fukin expensive.. but.. I wanna tell you it fukin worth every penny! : D
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Different casings have different noise isolation capabilities too.
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QUOTE(iostream @ Jul 25 2008, 11:24 AM)
Different ears have different acceptance levels.
Different casings have different noise isolation capabilities too.
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ic.. my casing used for 8 years www.. the old skool CM ATC210C www.. and I know my casing wasn't so good at air ventilation and the noise isolation... that's why I'm more skeptical on that both part.

I loved my casing.. and still no have plan to upgrade.. if I wanna upgrade .. probably will be a really expensive one.. otherwise.. I can't bear to part with it.. got feeling with it liao.. : D
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the fan for GC is loud when its running at 80% - 100%
try to turn it down to 40-50%... its real quiet... when u are gaming or stress it then only turn up the fan speed... that's real easy with Riva Tuner...

if u are lazy to always tune it then get Hr-03 or arctic accelero ~ they are nice and quiet...
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I am using 8.7 driver but the riva tuner doesnt work with the driver .
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Regardless of how noise insulated your case is, there are still vents out the back of the card, and the airflow through those vents combined with the spinning fan makes for a fair bit of noise. I notice the card spools up the fan to a high rate momentarily when I turn on and off my comp.

juine, are you getting mid-40 degree temps with the HR-03GT? Is it totally passive, or does it have a fan on it?

also, bulk for the accelero: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/749599
which one to choose... hmmm...
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Good to see another Corsair psu user... I got HX620 yesterday la... haha
rclxms.gif i think should be no problem to pump your rig + oc... nice choice~

even CF also no problem la biggrin.gif
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I'm eyeing on Coolermaster M700 Modular when I upgrade together with cpu, motherboard, ram, casing and hdd.
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Coz rivatuner has not supoorted 4800 series, nothing to do with the drivers
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juine not aiming for DA700 ?? btw, i want to know whether the Thermal right HR-03GT ram/heat sink is sufficient for 4870 ? i notice there are quite a lot small component need to cover with ram sink
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juine not aiming for DA700 ?? btw, i want to know whether the Thermal right HR-03GT ram/heat sink is sufficient for 4870 ? i notice there are quite a lot small component need to cover with ram sink
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HR-03 GT? that's nice... load at 43 and idle 33... really nice.. with a single Zalman 92MM fan operating at 1600RPM along with Arctic Cooling MX-2...

its not silent anymore though...
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QUOTE(busta_dude @ Jul 25 2008, 12:03 PM)
Updates...
Yesterday bought a Corsair TX650W, to make sure any OC'ing are stable...My rig now is

Biostar TPower I45
E8400 @ 4.004GHz @ 500 x 8.0 multi @ 1.28V
2GB Corsair Dominator @ 1000MHz @ 2.1V
Sapphire HD4870 @ 780/1080
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1 Evercool 120mm Fan on Xigmatek 1283 w Crossbow Kit
1 CM 120mm Bling2 Fan
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Wah nice rig..
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It means BBA board or Build By ATi in this case. U can say original PCB design by Nvidia/ATi and respective gpu makers.
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Roland San, thx for the article, i did saw it few days ago, but somehow i doubt about the review, from the pictures, seems the card is very barely cover..... eventhough 4870 running more on ceramic components, i believe it still need quite some cooling too rite? the stock heatsink cover most of it if not mistaken......

now i'm thinking to get a HR-03GT or not,
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i have one simple question: should i buy the 4870 tomorrow or wait another 2 weeks? *big grin* biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(busta_dude @ Jul 25 2008, 12:03 PM)
Updates...
Yesterday bought a Corsair TX650W, to make sure any OC'ing are stable...My rig now is

Biostar TPower I45
E8400 @ 4.004GHz @ 500 x 8.0 multi @ 1.28V
2GB Corsair Dominator @ 1000MHz @ 2.1V
Sapphire HD4870 @ 780/1080
4 CM 120mm 90CFM Fan
1 Evercool 120mm Fan on Xigmatek 1283 w Crossbow Kit
1 CM 120mm Bling2 Fan
1 Vizo 120mm UV reactive Fan
1 500GB Sata2 HDD 32MB
1 40GB IDE HDD 2MB
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What's with the 40GB IDE HDD? Hope you're only using it as a data disk..
If the system partition lives on it it'll definitely bottleneck your PC lol.
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argghh it's so true dude! ahaha. well i have the money, and i need the upgrade. but i'm afraid right after i bought it they're gonna come out with the OC, extreme, whatever-u-name-it version of it. sigh. rclxub.gif hahaha..
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Will probably get the accelero twin turbo. Read the installation guide, it comes with ramsinks and voltage regulation chip sinks.

Right now running with stock cooler with two profiles, Idle (31% fanspeed) and Load (45% fanspeed). Just have to remember to switch between them before cranking up any game.

QUOTE(acronyx @ Jul 25 2008, 08:55 PM)
argghh it's so true dude! ahaha. well i have the money, and i need the upgrade. but i'm afraid right after i bought it they're gonna come out with the OC, extreme, whatever-u-name-it version of it. sigh.  rclxub.gif hahaha..
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QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jul 25 2008, 02:41 PM)
juine not aiming for DA700 ?? btw, i want to know whether the Thermal right HR-03GT ram/heat sink is sufficient for 4870 ? i notice there are quite a lot small component need to cover with ram sink
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Yes more than enuff.
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anyone here watercooled their 4800 series gC? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(acronyx @ Jul 25 2008, 08:55 PM)
argghh it's so true dude! ahaha. well i have the money, and i need the upgrade. but i'm afraid right after i bought it they're gonna come out with the OC, extreme, whatever-u-name-it version of it. sigh.  rclxub.gif hahaha..
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QUOTE(acronyx @ Jul 25 2008, 08:22 PM)
i have one simple question: should i buy the 4870 tomorrow or wait another 2 weeks? *big grin* biggrin.gif
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Wait a bit longer, till mid August, great custom design for HD4850 and HD4870 coming from Gainward. Save your money buying 3rd party cooler and risk voiding the warranty. icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 PM)
anyone here watercooled their 4800 series gC? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(D-Zire @ Jul 25 2008, 10:01 PM)
yea...i'm having the same dilemma as u man....damn scare later when custom cooler and oc version come out with cheaper price...i'm gonna go crying.... cry.gif
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See my reply above. Patience will save you money. Just remember to lookout for Gainward. thumbup.gif


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how much is the the new gainward 4870 ?

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QUOTE(NetRaid @ Jul 25 2008, 10:37 PM)
Wait a bit longer, till mid August, great custom design for HD4850 and HD4870 coming from Gainward. Save your money buying 3rd party cooler and risk voiding the warranty.  icon_idea.gif
YES, please see Coolice review on the signature below.
See my reply above. Patience will save you money. Just remember to lookout for Gainward.  thumbup.gif
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woah. mid august... can i tahan until that? >.<" thanks for the replies!
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Asus is coming out any non reference card?
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idle 78c
load 89c
izzit normal???like gonna kaboom soon
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idle 78c
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i believe the description of this thread state clearly what you should do before asking. doh.gif
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QUOTE(iostream @ Jul 26 2008, 01:37 AM)
i believe the description of this thread state clearly what you should do before asking.  doh.gif
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i know that also
but the pc going 24/7 unstoppable
izzit safe for 24/7 wif that temp
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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Jul 26 2008, 01:39 AM)
i know that also
but the pc going 24/7 unstoppable
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i believe this is another recurring question, and someone mentioned his 6600 had been running around 70-80 C for few years, and it is still fit.
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That's me! Yup, my 6600gt idle aroun 60-70c, load 95c, now still running good at my hometown. Last time is my bro using and he never off the comp and he do those 3d things alot.
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QUOTE(NetRaid @ Jul 25 2008, 11:37 PM)
Wait a bit longer, till mid August, great custom design for HD4850 and HD4870 coming from Gainward. Save your money buying 3rd party cooler and risk voiding the warranty.  icon_idea.gif
YES, please see Coolice review on the signature below.
See my reply above. Patience will save you money. Just remember to lookout for Gainward.  thumbup.gif
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idle 78c
load 89c
izzit normal???like gonna kaboom soon
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Any picture or spec of the of Gainward, custom coolers? I might this both brands PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS or Gainwards non reference wink.gif .

I yesterday tried on PowerColor HD4870 512MB DDR5 reference cards, fan speed set at 40% idle 41C load at 55C in air con room. The performance are great no lag on COD4 max out 1680 x1050 multiplayer online even 48 players gameplay rclxm9.gif, instead the 8800GTS G92 might feel abit sluggish with this huge amount players in game.

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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 26 2008, 09:20 AM)
Any picture or spec of the of Gainward, custom coolers? I might this both brands PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS or Gainwards non reference wink.gif .

I yesterday tried on PowerColor HD4870 512MB DDR5 reference cards, fan speed set at 40% idle 41C load at 55C in air con room. The performance are great no lag on COD4 max out 1680 x1050 multiplayer online even 48 players gameplay rclxm9.gif, instead the 8800GTS G92 might feel abit sluggish with this huge amount players in game.
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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 26 2008, 10:23 AM)
lag or no lag is depends on ur interenet speed and the host.
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Yes i test both same server same pings, no matter how the 8800GTS can felt slight sluggish when huge smoke or swing the mouse.
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how do i turn on overdrive cant really understand the 1st post coz my overdrive function disabled.
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jul 26 2008, 10:54 AM)
how do i turn on overdrive cant really understand the 1st post coz my overdrive function disabled.
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u mean i need a PSU with 2 6pin connector?
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 26 2008, 09:59 AM)
Yes i test both same server same pings, no matter how the 8800GTS can felt slight sluggish when huge smoke or swing the mouse.
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oic,that mean 9800GTX also getting the same result with ur 8800GTS?
lucky i changed it to 4870.
hehe

to all 4870 users,what is ur fan speed and temp?
because want compare with mineeeee 4870

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idle mine stay at 57'c - 58'c

0 fan rpm.

gaming are around 65'c - 69'c ... rarely occasion I can see 70'c

no air-con room

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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 26 2008, 12:39 PM)
idle mine stay at 57'c - 58'c

0 fan rpm.

gaming are around 65'c - 69'c ... rarely occasion I can see 70'c

no air-con room
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fan speed?
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Hey guys, jz wanna ask is the vga cooler really necessary in a "no air-con" environment for 4850?
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Hey guys, jz wanna ask is the vga cooler really necessary in a "no air-con" environment for 4850?
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Non-reference 4870 1GB GDDR5 from PowerColor! drool.gif

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more here
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hahaha, so thick the cooler.... got results of it?
only pics ahh?
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i think the price would hit at least 1.2k since the reference one is selling for about 920+ already...and it comes with 1gb mem as well....
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fan speed?
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sorry for noob Q. WAnt to ask can u ise CM extreme 550w on single 4850?

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QUOTE(Roland San @ Jul 26 2008, 05:10 PM)
he's got a hr-03gt on it
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oic,his temp is same with me...

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sorry for noob Q. WAnt to ask can u ise CM extreme 550w on single 4850?
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kindly read the topic description.
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What brand is the cheapest HD 4870?
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the second temperature really worries me sad.gif , can anyone give me a suggestion how cool down that one?
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in aircon room?
45 pretty good.
here is mine ><"...52'c
wait ur GPU temp # 3 very high.
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volt u running it with fan ? u might need some fan directly blowing the pcb as well.......
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QUOTE(Volt @ Jul 26 2008, 10:30 PM)
the second temperature really worries me  sad.gif , can anyone give me a suggestion how cool down that one?
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I saw u're using a 3rd party cooler. Make sure your voltage regulators GPU is being cooled properly but pls bear in mind that GPU-Z does not tell the whole story. If u're not having crashing problem it should be fine.

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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 26 2008, 10:57 PM)
in aircon room?
45 pretty good.
here is mine ><"...52'c
wait ur GPU temp # 3 very high.
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nope...Im running in a non aircon room
im not so worried about GPU temp 3 since the temp is kinda acceptable
but GPU 2 is really getting me worried sad.gif
why so hot???

QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:04 PM)
volt u running it with fan ? u might need some fan directly blowing the pcb as well.......
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yup, already place 2 fan blowing direct to the card nod.gif

QUOTE(owikh84 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:11 PM)
I saw u're using a 3rd party cooler. Make sure your voltage regulators GPU is being cooled properly but pls bear in mind that GPU-Z does not tell the whole story. If u're not having crashing problem it should be fine.
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yea i know, but im kinda worry my card might suddenly die due to over heat cry.gif
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just wana confirm with all the sifus,i have set the fan @ 20% speed,when i start playing games does the GPU auto adjust the fan speed as i know when the xml file is modified,the fan control is set to manual,do i need to change the % of fan speed when i start playing games?
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QUOTE(Volt @ Jul 26 2008, 11:30 PM)
nope...Im running in a non aircon room
im not so worried about GPU temp 3 since the temp is kinda acceptable
but GPU 2 is really getting me worried  sad.gif 
why so hot???
yup, already place 2 fan blowing direct to the card nod.gif
yea i know, but im kinda worry my card might suddenly die due to over heat cry.gif
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why u need use the stock fan?
i just change the fan speed to 40%,and in non-aircon room 52'c only
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new ati hd 4870 user here ^.^
i adjusted the fan speed 40%,and the temperature is 48-49'c,in non-aircon room
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QUOTE(reileong88 @ Jul 27 2008, 12:18 AM)
new ati hd 4870 user here ^.^
i adjusted the fan speed 40%,and the temperature is 48-49'c,in non-aircon room
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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 27 2008, 12:25 AM)
wat brand,how many year warranty and how much?
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GeCube RM920
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QUOTE(reileong88 @ Jul 27 2008, 12:35 AM)
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u miss one answer,how many years warranty?
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QUOTE(Volt @ Jul 26 2008, 10:30 PM)
the second temperature really worries me  sad.gif , can anyone give me a suggestion how cool down that one?
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notice you're using the S1.

are you using heatsinks over the five VRMs? refer here for VRM location.

now i'm not sure if temp #2 is for the VRMs, but i do know that they do get very hot, and need not only heatsinks but some airflow over them.
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What would be the best way to keep the card cool and not idle at 81*C? :S

Any recommended 3rd party cooler?
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Is the fan speed mod enough to keep things cool?
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QUOTE(shunnned @ Jul 27 2008, 04:49 AM)
New sapphire 4850 owner here =)

What would be the best way to keep the card cool and not idle at 81*C? :S

Any recommended 3rd party cooler?
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Is the fan speed mod enough to keep things cool?
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I got the same problem, got HIS HD4850 recently and 80*C while idle....

Can burn an egg with that temperature....... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Roland San @ Jul 27 2008, 01:35 AM)
notice you're using the S1.

are you using heatsinks over the five VRMs? refer here for VRM location.

now i'm not sure if temp #2 is for the VRMs, but i do know that they do get very hot, and need not only heatsinks but some airflow over them.
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Nope, according to the creator of GPU-z, temp #2 is not related to VRM. All 3 on-die (silicon) is based inside the GPU itself.
Just make sure that the cooler is installed at the correct position.


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QUOTE(shunnned @ Jul 27 2008, 04:49 AM)
New sapphire 4850 owner here =)

What would be the best way to keep the card cool and not idle at 81*C? :S

Any recommended 3rd party cooler?
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Is the fan speed mod enough to keep things cool?
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Jul 27 2008, 06:07 AM)
I got the same problem, got HIS HD4850 recently and 80*C while idle....

Can burn an egg with that temperature....... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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It's normal for the stock cooler. Change the fan speed to 40-50% to level-off the temp to ~50C.

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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 26 2008, 01:05 PM)
oic,that mean 9800GTX also getting the same result with ur 8800GTS?
lucky i changed it to 4870.
hehe

to all 4870 users,what is ur fan speed and  temp?
because want compare with mineeeee 4870
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Jul 27 2008, 06:07 AM)
I got the same problem, got HIS HD4850 recently and 80*C while idle....

Can burn an egg with that temperature....... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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ya. same as mine before i change to evercool turbo
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Wah advertising tongue.gif
You guys can pick whether to buy a 3rd party cooler,or try the tips on 1st page.40% is acceptable noise ek?
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QUOTE(wen9x88 @ Jul 27 2008, 01:09 AM)
huh?
u miss one answer,how many years warranty?
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Wonder if anything i left in my driver setting, becos my AA can only set until 8x AA for most of the games compare to my previous Nvidia GC it can set until 16x AA. Any commend for the setting.
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maybe this would help? im not sure..

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proud owner of sapphire 4870.,the temp using TR HR-03GT at idle 44c and load 50c only..pair with 1800rpm fan..
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 27 2008, 10:52 AM)
maybe this would help? im not sure..

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Thanks bro, but i did set to edge but still when playing game like coh, the AA setting there is maximun 8x compare to last time when using Nvidia card can set to 16x, is it ATI driver like that.
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yes, teh maximum is 8x, edge detect is like making it looks like 24x. Mean u only got 8x to select, but i think u off the one in COH and use the one on ATI CCC. If it wont works, maybe COH are using the different method on dealing with AA same as GRID where u cant set them at CCC.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 27 2008, 11:58 AM)
yes, teh maximum is 8x, edge detect is like making it looks like 24x. Mean u only got 8x to select, but i think u off the one in COH and use the one on ATI CCC. If it wont works, maybe COH are using the different method on dealing with AA same as GRID where u cant set them at CCC.
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How bout new driver gaming? I hope mass effect AA AF problem solved.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 27 2008, 10:29 AM)
Wah advertising tongue.gif
You guys can pick whether to buy a 3rd party cooler,or try the tips on 1st page.40% is acceptable noise ek?
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i heard that 4870 + thermaltake duoorb still reach 90C in load..damn crazy
DDR5 so hot one meh ?
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 27 2008, 01:19 PM)
wei. not advertisement la.lol
i heard that 4870 + thermaltake duoorb still reach 90C in load..damn crazy
DDR5 so hot one meh ?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 27 2008, 11:42 AM)
edge detect rocks, i tried TF2 4xAA edge detect and the quality is really good, the edge is smooth enuf that u can really notice it.
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any fps loss?
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FPS?
someone say enable the triple buffering and force 24-bit z-buffer depth can get more fps....amazing.
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Jul 27 2008, 02:30 PM)
any fps loss?
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for sure there is FPS loss, but i think almost the same FPS i got when it is off.
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zhen^wei sell both brand of GC he is neutral. He is seller sure he want to know more good and con so he can helpp buyer ma....

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FPS?
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only when v-synch is enabled

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After some thinking decided to use back the stock cooler lol

Stock cooler
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AC accelero S1 Rev2
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holy shit temp 2 85c, that is VRM temp. U better make it around 50-60c if not u gonna kill them.


Added on July 27, 2008, 4:33 pmdid u use any fan or ramsink? DOn run the whole shit passively.

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already place a ram heatsink plus using 2 blowing fan but the temperature is still high.
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so stock cooler is bettter?
or just adjust the fan speed to 50%.
btw 40% fan speed 59'c is normal...

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50% is a bit noisy to me. Cant enjoy my sleeping if i set it at 50%, that why i use accelero S1 at the 1st place.

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ATI HD4850 fitted with Xigmatek H.D.T.Battle-Axe VD964

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 27 2008, 04:33 PM)
holy shit temp 2 85c, that is VRM temp. U better make it around 50-60c if not u gonna kill them.


Added on July 27, 2008, 4:33 pmdid u use any fan or ramsink? DOn run the whole shit passively.
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Temp #2 is not VRM temp, all 3 temps are based inside the GPU itself, as explained by the creator of GPU-z, W1zzard.

@rlhc17, how's the temp u get with Xigmatek H.D.T.Battle-Axe VD964?
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QUOTE(rlhc17 @ Jul 27 2008, 05:13 PM)
ATI HD4850 fitted with Xigmatek H.D.T.Battle-Axe VD964

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looks nice... drool.gif
what temperatures are you getting?
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QUOTE(Volt @ Jul 27 2008, 06:13 PM)
50% is a bit noisy to me. Cant enjoy my sleeping if i set it at 50%, that why i use accelero S1 at the 1st place.
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u either create multiple pofiles for ur fanspeed can set 40% while idling, 50% or 60% fan speed for gaming.

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http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=65333

check it out urself whether they are VRM or not tongue.gif
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Quick & Simple test :

running 3 loops of Crysis benchmark high setting res,1680 x 1050 stock clock

Stock cooler max temp =86c

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Xigmatek H.D.T.Battle-Axe VD964 max temp = 43c

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 27 2008, 05:29 PM)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=65333

check it out urself whether they are VRM or not tongue.gif
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And look at what the creator of GPU-z, W1zzard said:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=66067
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just want to share the temps of both my 4850 on this hot sunday evening sweat.gif

this is my gigabyte 4850 with stock hsf temp sweat.gif

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while this is my gecube 4850 with s1 + 12cm 1800 rpm fan thumbup.gif

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btw im waiting for my gigabyte v-power gpu hsf to arrive brows.gif icon_idea.gif

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Fan speed at 40% is good enough for my 4870.. Idle at around 55c and load around 60c-65c.. OC at 780/1080..

Fan speed at 50% u can hear the noise d.. But still acceptable.. After that is juz annoying...

Loving every bit of it.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Jul 27 2008, 05:59 PM)
Fan speed at 40% is good enough for my 4870.. Idle at around 55c and load around 60c-65c.. OC at 780/1080..

Fan speed at 50% u can hear the noise d.. But still acceptable.. After that is juz annoying...

Loving every bit of it..  thumbup.gif
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Ya better set 40% during idle, 50% while gaming.
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The Sapphire Toxic got 8% of core clock and 10% of memory clock increase, yield an average of 10% increase of performance increase. Temperature drop 25% for idle and load condition. I wonder the price will have a premium of how much more compare to the reference card in Malaysia if it is going to come here.
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QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Jul 27 2008, 05:59 PM)
Fan speed at 40% is good enough for my 4870.. Idle at around 55c and load around 60c-65c.. OC at 780/1080..

Fan speed at 50% u can hear the noise d.. But still acceptable.. After that is juz annoying...

Loving every bit of it..  thumbup.gif
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Myself having the same fan speed setting but oc 790/1100 , temp slightly more than your idle 56c, load 76-77c, been using for 1 week for that setting n stable n fine.
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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Jul 27 2008, 06:13 PM)
The Sapphire Toxic got 8% of core clock and 10% of memory clock increase, yield an average of 10% increase of performance increase. Temperature drop 25% for idle and load condition. I wonder the price will have a premium of how much more compare to the reference card in Malaysia if it is going to come here.
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u know u can get that kind of increase with ati overdrive in ccc also doh.gif

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Seriously, can we really able to differentiate the performance gain on current games from the OC?


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QUOTE(xpresside @ Jul 27 2008, 06:18 PM)
u know u can get that kind of increase with ati overdrive in ccc also  doh.gif
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I know CCC can make that kind of gain and lower temperature, but with that, the user no need to do any tweak on the card. Just curious the price. I just want to know is it worth the money than modify the cooler by myself.
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i reckon the price for diy (fix an accelero + manual oc) the card urself compared to toxic (everything done for u) is definitely cheaper....usually the manufacturer would want to yield more profit if they intend to come out with oc version....that is where they have a competitive advantage over other manufacturers.....
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My gigabtye 4870 3rd party cooler.
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honestly, i cant see anything.
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ati driver with ccc need microsoft .NET kah? want to go to dark side..huhu
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how bout this ?
suck the hot air out.
last time 50% 56'c
now 40% 56'c
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wow now you people really put alot of effort on the temp issue.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


mine just sit there left cold and being neglected www.....


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like that really efficient? i think use 2x30mm fan suck them out at the vent is better lo.. i dunno one also la.
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because this is cheap motion...take it from old psu.
may b 2 x 30mm fan is working well.
but this fan is free...so i don need buy another 2 fan.
somemore this fan working well....
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Maybe i dont like the feel of like the fan is sucking nothing. U know what i mean rite? Like the vacuum cleaner u go stuck the mouth there. I dont like that feel. I will feel the whole fan is going to explode or spoilt lolz. See ur setup is nearly like that, only the top part is sucking something.
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oic,because the 4870 so noisy when the fan speed 50%
so i set 40% plus the fan to get the same temp with 50%...

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Another non reference sapphire 4850, short pcb version.

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Another non reference sapphire 4850, short pcb version.

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PowerColer ZeroTherm cooler nicer... added 2 more power phase
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I wonder which brand will come out with zalman hsf... : D
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is it Sapphire 4850 with the Zalman fan right? It's already available at LYP 2 weeks ago at RM750.
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is it Sapphire 4850 with the Zalman fan right? It's already available at LYP 2 weeks ago at RM750.
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really? so they just change the fan only ? got oc? i think the price is quite reasonable...
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Hey guys, i heard from a shop that the cheaper casings, when placed with a 4850, will have some of the harddrive bays blocked. He then recommended a cooler master casing.

Just wondering, is that true? Cos for me, i get a rm 90 casing can de. But i need atleast 3 hdd bays, so wana check it out with you ppl.
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don't buy the small one la.. becoz the card is long..
but still got the gap there..
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Yes the card quite long,it may block HDD bays,But there will be a way to put the HDD thou..
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you should get coolermaster elite casings or mystique casings...this can easily fit the card with no other conflicts 2 other hardwares laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 26 2008, 09:20 AM)
Any picture or spec of the of Gainward, custom coolers? I might this both brands PowerColor HD4870 1GB DDR5 PCS or Gainwards non reference wink.gif .
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Hi Guys,

Gainward will come out with 4 custom models:

1. Gainward 4850-512 Golden Sample (extreme OC) with Heatpipe and Fansink available sometime mid Aug. drool.gif

2. Gainward 4850-512 cost effective with nice fansink.

3. Gainward 4870-512 Golden Sample with Heatpipe and Dual Fans, HDMI, 2 DVI and Display Port (1st for ATI). rclxms.gif

4. Gainward 4870-1GB Golden Sample with Heatpipe and Dual Fans, HDMI, 2 DVI and Display Port (1st for ATI). thumbup.gif

Both 4870 should be here by end Aug. Hold your purchases, have patience. Good things come to those who wait. brows.gif

Please PM us if you have any queries. Thanks.
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QUOTE(D-Zire @ Jul 28 2008, 10:47 AM)
really? so they just change the fan only ? got oc? i think the price is quite reasonable...
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Dunno. I'm not into OC GPU, stock fan and card do just fine. smile.gif


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QUOTE(Zavia/GenX @ Jul 28 2008, 11:08 AM)
Hey guys, i heard from a shop that the cheaper casings, when placed with a 4850, will have some of the harddrive bays blocked. He then recommended a cooler master casing.

Just wondering, is that true? Cos for me, i get a rm 90 casing can de. But i need atleast 3 hdd bays, so wana check it out with you ppl.
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As long as big enough, then should be okay. I'm using an ICUTE casing with 3HDD also. Just don't put the HDD at the point where the cars is sitting. Anyway, i like to space out my HDD to have better airflow and prevent heat entrapment, so no issues.

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QUOTE(Zavia/GenX @ Jul 28 2008, 11:08 AM)
Hey guys, i heard from a shop that the cheaper casings, when placed with a 4850, will have some of the harddrive bays blocked. He then recommended a cooler master casing.

Just wondering, is that true? Cos for me, i get a rm 90 casing can de. But i need atleast 3 hdd bays, so wana check it out with you ppl.
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I had that issue when I got it. Basically if i aligned my 4870 and harddisk... I think there is only like an inch to two inches of space left... and thats without the power and SATA cables!

So basically I had to improvise a bit the cable arrangements...etc... make sure they are further away from each other. If you using up to 3 hdd bays, I would suggest a bigger casing. I use two and it is pretty cramp already, putting airflow into consideration. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Kuroro @ Jul 28 2008, 01:56 PM)
I had that issue when I got it. Basically if i aligned my 4870 and harddisk... I think there is only like an inch to two inches of space left... and thats without the power and SATA cables!

So basically I had to improvise a bit the cable  arrangements...etc... make sure they are further away from each other. If you using up to 3 hdd bays, I would suggest a bigger casing. I use two and it is pretty cramp already, putting airflow into consideration. rclxub.gif
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ok this is how I cool my 4870 and just gotten a HX620 n a Samsung F1 1tb hdd, feel free to look. my symphony of night are about to begin : D

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That GPU cooler is so big...eats up 3 slots?? What's your temp?
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That GPU cooler is so big...eats up 3 slots?? What's your temp?
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56'C idle. Never pass 70'C at gaming.

That is Thermalright HR-03GT and it suppose to perform better.. but my casing sucks coz very small... the air is not good.

I took the picture coz I was changing the psu.. otherwise I also don't bother to do this. : D
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if that range i think better use stock cooler..
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juine I can't see anything in your casing lol. So many stuff biggrin.gif

Currently I am still using the stock cooling and up the fanspeed to 50%. I must admit, it's a bit loud. But overall, pretty good temperature still. Idles around 52 - 55 degrees. 60 plus when playing games and stuff.
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 28 2008, 05:31 PM)
if that range i think better use stock cooler..
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you got see what is inside my casing? all the hardware produce heat and my casing space so small.. I can get that temp I oledi very happy.. sumore it run almost silent... not like the stockcooler, with all due respect... a rubbis or sampah!

anyway.. I reckon people wait for 3rd party card come out.. or change the god damn stockcooler if you cannot tahan the noise it make or else live with that.. whichever you like it's your choice : D


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QUOTE(Kuroro @ Jul 28 2008, 05:32 PM)
juine I can't see anything in your casing lol. So many stuff biggrin.gif

Currently I am still using the stock cooling and up the fanspeed to 50%. I must admit, it's a bit loud. But overall, pretty good temperature still. Idles around 52 - 55 degrees. 60 plus when playing games and stuff.
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you dunno how I hate to open that casing and do modification.. ugh.. was a nightmare.. not fun at all.

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look like my casing cant put 3rd party cooler for graphic card....psu below just below the pci-e slot...some more geminii is put vertically...overall space between graphic card and psu not more than 5cm...
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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 28 2008, 06:31 PM)
look like my casing cant put 3rd party cooler for graphic card....psu below just below the pci-e slot...some more geminii is put vertically...overall space between graphic card and psu not more than 5cm...
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use thermaltake duoorb.. 1 slot only.. people who do crossfire go for this.

the bra vga cooler : D




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they can push sapphire 4850 TOXIC to 750/1300 and i saw that i was like wtf, so high meh. I dunno how they did that lolz. Toxic seems to have the reference board also le.
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 28 2008, 05:43 PM)
you got see what is inside my casing? all the hardware produce heat and my casing space so small.. I can get that temp I oledi very happy.. sumore it run almost silent... not like the stockcooler, with all due respect... a rubbis or sampah!

anyway.. I reckon people wait for 3rd party card come out.. or change the god damn stockcooler if you cannot tahan the noise it make or else live with that.. whichever you like it's your choice : D


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you dunno how I hate to open that casing and do modification.. ugh.. was a nightmare.. not fun at all.
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time to get a full tower LL casing biggrin.gif
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@juine - wahhh tha CPU HSF too big, ur didn't use the side panel panel ah to close the panel?
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QUOTE(mdzaboy @ Jul 28 2008, 06:58 PM)
@juine - wahhh tha CPU HSF too big, ur didn't use the side panel panel ah to close the panel?
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got but it grow big bump at the side panel.. I got bend the hsf fin..
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 28 2008, 06:40 PM)
use thermaltake duoorb.. 1 slot only.. people who do crossfire go for this.

the bra vga cooler : D
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Wooo....
how much arr?
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QUOTE(rosihan @ Jul 28 2008, 07:09 PM)
Wooo....
how much arr?
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in sg they selling like hotcake.. for sgd69... always out of stock.

you can refer to this thread in hwz : http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthre...ighlight=duoorb

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just installed battle axe on my 4850,the temp is so tempting..37C haha but the weakness of BA is so heavy like shit..scare my 4850 PCB patah!
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juz got myself a gigabyte 4850...set the fan to 47% and temp idles at 58...i tried to set the fan to 100%...holy shit....the fan damn super loud...like the whole thing coming off....damn scare.....but temp idles at 55 like that....and guess wat the fan is spinning at nearly 8k....wooo...
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On the stock cooler smile.gif
Temperature is almost the same as stock core


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haih..i never tried stock cooler 4850, never heard the bloody hell noisy..8K RPM..wtf??? so fast!
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that's why.. early early I oledi ask you ppl to change the stock cooler.. even how you modify the damn shit.. it is noisy.. like vacumn cleaner.. can you play games at that kind of enviroment.. zzz
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no choice unless u change to 3rd party cooler la..S1 accelero twin turbo kinda tempting huhu
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I dont care if you call that thing noisy, i dont hear nothing but the gaming sounds while playing game and that way i save myself rm1xx too
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Artic Cooling Accelero Twin Turbo , currently running at max 100% , doesnt sound like vacum cleaner at all, very torelable noise sweat.gif
just running at 100% for testing since just installed it, wanna see the lowest temp i can get, with full speed and the noise level sweat.gif

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u probably is cheating urself to think that thing running at 8k rpm is not noisy lolz.
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40% fan speed is enough n i don't think it's too noisy..
why in the world need a full throttle?
if mod reaching 70c better not.. no different i must say..
the 3rd party cooler got something wrong there..
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QUOTE(juine @ Jul 29 2008, 01:15 AM)
that's why.. early early I oledi ask you ppl to change the stock cooler.. even how you modify the damn shit.. it is noisy.. like vacumn cleaner.. can you play games at that kind of enviroment.. zzz
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What noise? My X-FI is rumbling the ground already...that's the only sound i heard. tongue.gif

And who ask you to set 10 100% wor. I set to about 60%, quite acceptable even when not playing games.
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What noise? My X-FI is rumbling the ground already...that's the only sound i heard.  tongue.gif

And who ask you to set 10 100% wor. I set to about 60%, quite acceptable even when not playing games.
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chose a wrong path is arrogant - let it be then..

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