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post Jul 19 2008, 06:56 PM

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Seems like 4850 having heat issue. It's either wait for a better revision or change the reference cooler with a better one. Anyway is there plan for a 4850x2? tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 19 2008, 10:43 PM)
For?HD 4850?I didnt hear yet.But i am waiting for GDDR5 for HD4850 instead biggrin.gif
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If GDDR5, then it should be HD4870 then? I saw the comparison of HD4850 and HD4870 difference is the RAM if not mistaken. Correct me if im wrong though tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 11:29 AM

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I was wondering if ATi graphics cards are having this problem similarly to NVidia whereby the automatic fan control fux up. Using RivaTuner to automatically set the fan speed, it will reset it to 25% no matter how i tried and hence that prevent any overclocking. Unless with a 3rd party cooler.
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post Jul 20 2008, 02:00 PM

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Hopefully AMD can deliver again with the best bang for buck pwnate 4850x2 tongue.gif.. But i doubt it. Haiz.. gonna wait again tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 03:03 PM

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Emm.. not to be confused but i understand that 4850x2 and 4850X2 CF is both different right? Whereby 4850x2 is a single card actually CFed without requiring a mobo with CF functionality?

I hope we can expect to see 4850x2 to be around RM800+. Ah but i don't think that's possible.
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post Jul 20 2008, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:06 PM)
a single 4850X2 means 2 chips on 1 PCB... hence its a single card CF...
4850X2 CF means 2 card, 2 PCB, 4 chips and connected with CF connector...
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Thanks for the confirmation smile.gif. I was wondering... the following which is better?

1 single card HD4850X2
2 cards Cross-Fired HD4850

So is a single card HD4850X2 better or 2 HD4850 card crossed-fired?

Thanks smile.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:31 PM)
hahahaha.. never thought of that.. the BN and the PKR thingy... ekekeke...

for better performance, get urself a PCIe 2.0 mobo... will unleashed the 4850 full performance... ekekeke...
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If not mistaken my mobo should be PCIe 2.0 just no CF or SLI functionality. Damn if need to change mobo again sweat.gif

I'm currently using PSU Enermax FMA-II 460W 32A dual 12v rails. Was wondering if it's enough for HD4850 or HD4850X2? Hopefully i don't have to change PSU soon sweat.gif
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post Jul 20 2008, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 20 2008, 03:39 PM)
if u dun change also can... juz a suggestion... but for the PSU... i think that one need a change...
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Are you sure? I thought requirement for HD4850 only 450W? Em actually what happen if i don't change the PSU? I'll get artifacts or something? Also, anyway to check my PCIe is v1.0 or v2.0? I check my mobo website on the specific model but it didn't mention PCIe 2.0 or 1.0 just PCI Express X16 slot.
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post Jul 20 2008, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Jul 20 2008, 04:06 PM)
most probably your com will reboot when your psu cant handle the load
imo your psu might only be able to support 4850, maybe a 4870 but i doubt 4850x2 can be supported
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just checked on the ati certified list
if your psu model is FMA II DXX (EG465P-VE)
its able to support 4870 and 4850
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Thanks alot Kytz. Then i guess it will not be enough for HD4850X2 then. Maybe i'll just grab myself a HD4850 or HD4870 at max. And probably change to another rig for higher end gc sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 20 2008, 05:42 PM)
haha

HD 4850 X2 $ 450 = RM 1.4k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2 $ 500 = RM 1.6k doh.gif
HD 4870 X2(2GB) $ 550 = RM 1.8k

Lolz sia.Each has RM 200 different.So pick ur self tongue.gif
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My gosh RM1.4K for 4850X2? .. I buy 2 HD4850 CF also no need RM1.4K sweat.gif

Anyway not sure the pricing here in m'sia yet. If too high it won't be worth for X2.
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post Jul 21 2008, 01:20 AM

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Glad that someone asked the difference between PCIe 1.1 vs. PCIe 2.0. Since there's not much performance gained, then it won't make much sense to upgrade my mobo tongue.gif
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post Jul 21 2008, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 21 2008, 01:27 AM)
Ya.. not much difference... but sometimes ur mobo is bottlenecking the performance as well..
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How can i know or how do i check whether my mobo or my cpu is bottlenecking or limiting the GPU performance? Any software to check that?
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post Jul 21 2008, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(casperito @ Jul 21 2008, 02:03 AM)
hahaa... for example la...
u r using AMD and another person is using intel...
in my last case... my X2 5200 @ 3.1ghz against E6550 @ 3.6ghz
both are doing 3870 crossfire @ stock...
my score on 3D Mark 06 is 12K.. and the other person score is 15K...
from this u can guess that ur proc is bottlenecking the GC...
i've ask all the pros in benching.. all of them tell me that my proc is bottlenecking the card... cry.gif
i even tried Ocing the card, the score won't budge.. still @ 12K...
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Thanks for the reply. But 3D Mark scores comprises of many factors such as what model of mobo, gc, cpu, ram, psu, hard disk, etc. It might be either one that is limiting the 3dmark score tongue.gif. If both AMD X2 5200 and Intel E6550 has identical components, only differences are the CPU and mobo then i guess it will be much easier to isolate whether the cpu or mobo is limiting the GPU tongue.gif

Anyway it would be kind of a big hassle to check if mobo/cpu is limiting the GPU if only one can compare with someone with similar setup.


Added on July 21, 2008, 2:23 am
QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 21 2008, 02:19 AM)
Hmm... But i have tried the same E6600 + 88GT on 2 boards.. the scores are different le...
1.P35-DS3
2.Foxconn MARS P35

Foxconn got higher scores compared to DS3.. same settings same clock.. just different board
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But that still does not shows either mobo is limiting or bottlenecking the GPU because the scores are a sum of many factors including mobo, cpu, ram, gpu, etc.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 21 2008, 02:58 PM)
Think i'll try tonight. The Sapphire card really cheapskate one, manual pun tadak.(that piece of card inside the box is not very useful)..i guess that's the price you pay for a top brand like Gigabyte and an economical one like  Sapphire.

I've downloaded the manual from Gigabyte's website for their 4850 card. Looks like there's a 'ATI Realtek audio' which can be selected from the control panel. Must give it a go tonite.

Cheers.
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I thought for ATi cards Sapphire/HIS/Powercolor are one of those of better quality? I saw on some seller thread mentioning that's why the price are more expansive hmm.gif
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post Jul 22 2008, 12:16 AM

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Hmm.. i saw a thread on HD4850 by coolice. Gainward HD4850 watercooled but the OC is not impressive. Yields only additional 1-2FPS in Crysis at max. OC sweat.gif
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jul 22 2008, 12:49 AM)
yea...pc gaming is dying
everyone go for console...sienz des
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Well reason why PC gaming is dying and developers are moving to consoles because pirates are killing them.
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post Jul 23 2008, 10:53 AM

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DirectX 11? Geez.. Micro$oft sure knows how to squeeze $$ only. I guess the DirectX 10 has not been maturize yet as not many PC games on DX10 yet.
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Jul 23 2008, 10:59 AM)
no la, m$ doesnt get any muney when developer make dx11 games on their windows OS
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Emm why not? If DX11 has so huge an improvement over DX10 and supporting multi-cores processor, i guess it should boost the sales of Vista. I guess it's good for the giants since there's always on-going business for the GC manufacturers.
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Jul 23 2008, 11:08 AM)
DX11 in vista? i though it will comes with windows 7, not really sure, read few article windows will intro windows 7 by end of next year and dx11 will out bout same frame time, so i think it will comes in windows 7 not in vista
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laugh.gif ..Then DX11 will be Windows 7 exclusive.. no DX11 for Vista/XP tongue.gif.. Well they still make more bucks smile.gif
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Jul 24 2008, 10:07 PM)
Just sharing some of my experience with PowerColor HD4870

I went to my friend shop today.. And they decided to test the 4870 stock to see the result. And we did it.. Score is not bad.. But bottleneck by the CPU coz only using AMD X2 4000+.

One funny thing is.. We set the reference cooler fan speed to 60% and the idle temp for 4870 is lower than the 4850 we have tested...

4870 idle temp is 38c only.. No joke...  rclxub.gif (But very loud like vacuum cleaner..)
4850 idle temp is 45c
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In that case it's better off getting a 3rd party cooler smile.gif. But i've seen coolice 4850 overclocking the result not impressive. Max. OC only gains 1-2FPS in Crysis sweat.gif

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