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post Mar 19 2012, 12:54 AM, updated 14y ago

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http://www.paultan.org/2012/04/05/proton-p...iafm-and-cfe/pa
http://funtastickodesign.wordpress.com/201...w-proton-preve/
http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/news/nb_det...=RT.ATC.CAR.BTW
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/04/05/preve-proving-its-worth/
http://www.motortrader.com.my/Cars/NewsHea...-Preve-1-6.aspx
http://star-motoring.com/Previews/2012/Pre...e-variants.aspx

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sometimes I like to be childish also so...

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sometimes I like to be childish also so...

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Nothing wrong with that. That seems to be the theme during the last few pages of the previous thread.
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Proton P3-21A - More Info to Digest

The anticipation for Proton's new P3-21A sedan continues to build up. As noted in our coverage of the Proton Power of 1 event at Bukit Jalil yesterday, a soft launch for the model has already taken place and bookings are being accepted at showrooms nationwide. The internet has since been flooded with various information of the vehicle, the most pertinent being a very genuine-looking leaked specs sheet on funtasticko design's blog.

Today, we had an opportunity to dig info straight from the source, and it was none other than Dr Wolfgang Epple, Senior Director Operations and Project Director of P3-21A. To give you a bit of a background, Epple was pinched from BMW, and the most telling reference on his CV was his role as the man in charge of developing the E90 3 Series. Serious pedigree then.

Earlier this morning, Dr Epple engaged members of the Malaysian media in a brief interview focused on the development and features of the P3-21A. The objective of the interview was to project the message that the P3-21A is ready to take on the best in the market. Indeed, Dr Epple pointed out that the P3-21A was benchmarked against the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, and Ford Focus. Sensible choices in our opinion - the Civic and Corolla represents popular market choices, whilst the Focus' dynamics far surpasses the competition, even if it is an outgoing model.

The P3-21A is set to represent a huge quantum leap for Proton in many respects - ride and handling, safety, quality, technology, and performance. Word from inside the company is that this is going to be the best Proton ever, though one should bear in mind that we have heard this claim from Proton before, most noticeably when the Waja was launched.

Indeed, it was surprising - and on a personal note, pleasing - to note that until today, the Waja's body shell is the stiffest ever offered in a Proton car - with an overall stiffness of 13,000 N/mm. Dr Epple tells us that the P3-21A betters that significantly, raising the figure to 18,000 N/mm. The benefits of a stiffer chassis are enormous. In addition to offering better crash protection, it helps to improve ride, handling, and NVH insulation.

Overall development process of the P3-21A took 21 months, though Proton did not exactly start from scratch. The frontal subframe and floor pan is taken from the Exora, but the rear has been altered to fit a multi-link rear suspension in place of the Exora's torsion beam. This revelation is unsurprising when you recall pictures of a certain flattened Exora test mule that was circulating in the Internet. We got a good look under that particular mule some time back, and its multi-link rear suspension was the first thing to catch the eye.

Another aspect of the P3-21A that will be greatly improved from previous Protons is safety. Stability control and side airbags will offered for the first time in a Proton, and Dr Epple noted that the P3-21A is designed with the aim of scoring five stars from Euro NCAP. Of course, it is extremely important to emphasize that the car has not yet passed any tests from Euro NCAP, but that Proton has designed the car to be compliant with the agency's highest rating. To use a student's analogy, Proton has studied for the exam, but the report card certainly isn't out yet.

Proton has yet to commit to a confirmed launch date for the P3-21A, nor has it divulged the new model's name. We do know that Tanjung Malim is already churning out the full production models, so launch date will certainly be in the next month or so. Meanwhile, the engineers have added the engine and front suspension assembly to the bare chassis being displayed at the Power of 1 carnival. We will leave you with the relevant pictures.

http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/news/nb_det...d=RT.ATC.CAR.PV
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:59 AM

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ruffstuff, thanks for bringing over the post.
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1st page tongue.gif
Anyway i hope mod can warn and take serious action to people that try to troll here.
Really spoil the discussion. People want discuss about this new Proton car, they bring up other topic and praise their T, H or whatever car like god. No one give any tahi about that anyway.
FNF shouldn't have space for this kind of idiocy.
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Put spoiler on the spec sheet
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guys. how much fuel 6.3L @100km looks like. i my have the old gen2 2005 ( the campro without cps and iafm+) and its like rm30 from sepang to Tapah. i still cant find info about old campro engine fuel consumption @100KM.

please dont flame me because i dont own a car yet. huhu.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Mar 19 2012, 01:02 AM)
@dares

Put spoiler on the spec sheet
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why? small screen? lawl.
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Mar 19 2012, 01:03 AM)
why? small screen? lawl.
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It's fine with my desktop but definitely not ok with phone.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Mar 19 2012, 01:02 AM)
@dares

Put spoiler on the spec sheet
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Done

QUOTE(TakanoKyohei @ Mar 19 2012, 01:03 AM)
guys. how much fuel 6.3L @100km looks like. i my have the old gen2 2005 ( the campro without cps and iafm+) and its like rm30 from sepang to Tapah. i still cant find info about old campro engine fuel consumption @100KM.

please dont flame me because i dont own a car yet. huhu.
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How many KM? Ron95?
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they really should consider bringing back the TUV sticker..
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QUOTE(ssangyongs @ Mar 19 2012, 01:06 AM)
they really should consider bringing back the TUV sticker..
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TUV? Last I heard, after TUVs involvement with Savvy, Proton never fully pay them for their consultation services.

If this is true, I doubt TUV wanna be involve again.

correct me if this is untrue.


Added on March 19, 2012, 1:14 amLol my thread description kena edited by mod kah?

Sorry if it offended anyone tongue.gif

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yay! 1st page! hope that troll stop coming. sick of his idiotic comment.

how can a human born to be that idiotic and ignorant doh.gif


Added on March 19, 2012, 1:17 amthe down part of the car is only the premium cvt have the cfe engine and protonic gb... they should at least put cfe in all the model x(

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should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe

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Added on March 19, 2012, 1:19 amthe front of the clay model looks similar to exora

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Yay the clay model look really nice. I personally like the rear end.
If this is prototype model, i hope when they plan to release the car, they not spoil it again.
Or else, no one gonna give any tahi anymore with Proton concept car.

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe


Added on March 19, 2012, 1:19 amthe front of the clay model looks similar to exora
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Thanks for bringing it over.

Sad reminder of what it could've been.
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 19 2012, 01:21 AM)
Thanks for bringing it over.

Sad reminder of what it could've been.
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agreed. if looks like the clay model ppl will be speechless. haha
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Mar 19 2012, 01:00 AM)

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe

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Added on March 19, 2012, 1:19 amthe front of the clay model looks similar to exora
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this got potential to be future perdana replacement model. if proton got the plan
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man, is hard to get a chance to take clean photo of those clay models... there must be someone standing right beside it for hours.. ><
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QUOTE(blo0dLuSt @ Mar 19 2012, 01:29 AM)
agreed. if looks like the clay model ppl will be speechless. haha
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someone will say..


"stupid proton copy other maker design"
"proton designer makan gaji buta ka"
"potong shit only know how to copy"
"potong this potong that..."


it will never ends..


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Cool look like very impressive.. Dunno after test drive and how was the handering smile.gif

Can't wait it arrival

Car is look more recent deisgn but dunno the parts can last longer or durable of day light sun.

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A report in The Star today said that almost 500 bookings had been received for this car from Wednesday to Sunday.
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That's new born baby have in Hand can reviews in some of carparks or in the road smile.gif
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe

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the front of the clay model looks similar to exora
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rear end got essence of 535i GT brows.gif
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Love the clay model style. Look very class.
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wei..that clay model..definitely speechless..
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe

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Added on March 19, 2012, 1:19 amthe front of the clay model looks similar to exora
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Aiya Proton should have used this as the rear design for the current production doh.gif Save for SE version later perhaps hmm.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Mar 19 2012, 08:00 AM)
A report in The Star today said that almost 500 bookings had been received for this car from Wednesday to Sunday.
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Good, meaning we have at least 500 peoples' responses before deciding to buy or not to buy brows.gif
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
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"Finished product"

Kind of hard to swallow ignorant grammar by proton
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QUOTE(huosgqpw @ Mar 19 2012, 09:50 AM)
"Finished product"

Kind of hard to swallow ignorant grammar by proton
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Hahahaha rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM)
should have bring up the clay model as well... i think hehe

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Added on March 19, 2012, 1:19 amthe front of the clay model looks similar to exora
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Look very class to me.

Hope the clay model and actual model is the same.


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When is this P3-21A available in Proton Showroom?
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QUOTE(huosgqpw @ Mar 19 2012, 09:50 AM)
"Finished product"

Kind of hard to swallow ignorant grammar by proton
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Lol rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Mar 19 2012, 10:07 AM)
When is this P3-21A available in Proton Showroom?
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Rumours point to early April.
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QUOTE(thunderaj @ Mar 19 2012, 09:55 AM)
Look very class to me.

Hope the clay model and actual model is the same.
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fl version of tuah perhaps?
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dont give too much faith on the clay model. anything can be changed.
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hopefully when its launched, i can get a test drive.. 2 buy one is definitely out of the question 4 me..
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hopefully when its launched, i can get a test drive.. 2 buy one is definitely out of the question 4 me..
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Just remember don't tell that to the SA rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 19 2012, 10:27 AM)
Just remember don't tell that to the SA  rclxms.gif
of coz laa.. the SA nvr see me also wit the way i dress tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Mar 19 2012, 10:24 AM)
hopefully when its launched, i can get a test drive.. 2 buy one is definitely out of the question 4 me..
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Test drive is a must. Last time when proton introduce cps, i went to test drive gen2 cps. That i was like 'wooaa...' maybe becos i used to drive underpowered kancil that time. But now i'm driving a cps so i hope this will be my second ' woooaaa...' test driving a proton car laugh.gif
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QUOTE(huosgqpw @ Mar 19 2012, 09:50 AM)
"Finished product"

Kind of hard to swallow ignorant grammar by proton
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i think they meant 'Finish' product means scrapped already the design was rejected so scrapped lolx


one of the visitor ask the designer during the event

"I asked one of the design staffs at the event, this clay was actually one of the rejected design for the new proton because they wanted a safe and long lasting design.. This car looks good, but will it be so after 5 years? Radical designs tend to age faster.. So lets not condemn proton for rejecting this design because they think in the long run and no base on current trends.. Keep up the good work proton, make malaysia proud.."

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Dont tell me proton plans to use this Preve Design for 20 years like the wira? If it meant to penetrate the global market, the design shud change every 5-7 years like what other manufactures are doing.

They shud win the hearts by first batch and new design like what Kia is doing. Win the market now and then plan for the future models.

They did a good job with the specs and stuff but design wise and price wise, still subjective biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:39 AM)
Dont tell me proton plans to use this Preve Design for 20 years like the wira? If it meant to penetrate the global market, the design shud change every 5-7 years like what other manufactures are doing.

They shud win the hearts by first batch and new design like what Kia is doing. Win the market now and then plan for the future models.

They did a good job with the specs and stuff but design wise and price wise, still subjective biggrin.gif
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I tot today trend is like 3-4 years.. The Korean pushing this faster to make the Japs no choice too...
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:39 AM)
Dont tell me proton plans to use this Preve Design for 20 years like the wira? If it meant to penetrate the global market, the design shud change every 5-7 years like what other manufactures are doing.

They shud win the hearts by first batch and new design like what Kia is doing. Win the market now and then plan for the future models.

They did a good job with the specs and stuff but design wise and price wise, still subjective biggrin.gif
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I think the design is pretty much done, the car has already been spotted many many times. Can refer back to paultan.org for more pictures of it. What still remain a mystery is the price, which i think should be around RM75k.

All in all, looks to be a good deal, looking at the spec and everything. biggrin.gif
Should be a real good sale if you ask me.
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:39 AM)
]b]Dont tell me proton plans to use this Preve Design for 20 years like the wira? If it meant to penetrate the global market, the design shud change every 5-7 years like what other manufactures are doing.[/b]

They shud win the hearts by first batch and new design like what Kia is doing. Win the market now and then plan for the future models.

They did a good job with the specs and stuff but design wise and price wise, still subjective biggrin.gif
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I bet they know about it. We just have to wait.
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 19 2012, 10:09 AM)
Rumours point to early April.
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SA @ mutiara damansara said the same too...and inspira FL after that...
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I tot today trend is like 3-4 years..  The Korean pushing this faster to make the Japs no choice too...
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ya the trend now is change soonest possible.

who would have thought ppl need to change phone every year la ( looking at iphone fan) and the phone costs more than a laptop.
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QUOTE(JarodLeong @ Mar 19 2012, 11:46 AM)
SA @ mutiara damansara said the same too...and inspira FL after that...
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which SA huh? Sur name?

the SA told me same story.. new INspira FL.. with Full touch screen HU same with P321.. and reverse camera.. minor bumper change..
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Found this brochure on my post box – very “Temptative” hehe
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 11:52 AM)
ya the trend now is change soonest possible.

who would have thought ppl need to change phone every year la ( looking at iphone fan) and the phone costs more than a laptop.
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die.. thinking of change phone now.. not becoz of the function.. becoz my phone randomly hang esp with bluetooth headset... laugh.gif

back to Car.. later kena flame... p321> Inspira.. tongue.gif

by the way.. plan to add turbo to ur Ra? brows.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 11:55 AM)
die.. thinking of change phone now..  not becoz of the function..  becoz my phone randomly hang esp with bluetooth headset...  laugh.gif

back to Car.. later kena flame...  p321> Inspira..  tongue.gif

by the way.. plan to add turbo to ur Ra?  brows.gif
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cannot la, this is uncle car la. CVT cannot tahan the turbo......a few examples in western countries, all failed due to cvt cannot stand the torque.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 11:56 AM)
cannot la, this is uncle car la. CVT cannot tahan the turbo......a few examples in western countries, all failed due to cvt cannot stand the torque.
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NIssan CVT so lousy... grumble.gif grumble.gif

I heard nissan Xwat wat tronic manage the CVT better.. more ohpms...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 11:59 AM)
NIssan CVT so lousy...  grumble.gif grumble.gif

I heard nissan Xwat wat tronic manage the CVT better.. more ohpms...
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ya, the cvt can only tahan until 240nm. ( smaller size ma). nissan also using a bigger and better one in their 3.5 murano.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 11:54 AM)
which SA huh? Sur name? 

the SA told me same story.. new INspira FL.. with Full touch screen HU same with P321..  and reverse camera.. minor bumper change..
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i din ask his name...when i walk in, inside only has few customer plus 2-3 SA (2 serving customer, the other 1 standing there showing boring face biggrin.gif ).

so i walk to him and ask "Hi, nak tengok inspira dengan kete baru p3 ade ke?"

He replied, inspira takde boss, no stock atm. show unit pun dah jual...nanti ade FL version keluar bulan Apr, tapi sebelum tu P3 akan launch dulu"
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 12:00 PM)
ya, the cvt can only tahan until 240nm. ( smaller size ma). nissan also using a bigger and better one in their 3.5 murano.
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QUOTE(JarodLeong @ Mar 19 2012, 12:01 PM)
i din ask his name...when i walk in, inside only has few customer plus 2-3 SA (2 serving customer, the other 1 standing there showing boring face biggrin.gif ).

so i walk to him and ask "Hi, nak tengok inspira dengan kete baru p3 ade ke?"

He replied, inspira takde boss, no stock atm. show unit pun dah jual...nanti ade FL version keluar bulan Apr, tapi sebelum tu P3 akan launch dulu"
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almost the same story I heard... and understand from them the new HU is bose unit oh... brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 12:03 PM)
sadding.. later P3 boy cannot mod too much on the power side liao..  sad.gif


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almost the same story I heard...  and understand from them the new HU is bose unit oh...  brows.gif brows.gif
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bro, its Bosch, not Bose. you think u buy fairlady ar? tongue.gif manader Bose.
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bro, its Bosch, not Bose. you think u buy fairlady ar? tongue.gif manader Bose.
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the SA mislead me.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 12:07 PM)
Bosch ah?  aiyo..  terus - 10point liao...  laugh.gif laugh.gif  joking.... 

the SA mislead me.. laugh.gif
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he put bose ,then ppl will break the window to steal it lol.
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why behind lights are all red in car .. ?
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 12:09 PM)
talak takut..  Inspira ada tough windscreen/window..  thumbup.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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5 speed manual still get the damm 5 year old Persona engine!!!
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5 speed manual still get the damm 5 year old Persona engine!!!
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QUOTE(charleyz @ Mar 19 2012, 12:19 PM)
5 speed manual still get the damm 5 year old Persona engine!!!
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must compare with korean car, cannot compare with jap car, korean car history similar to proton ma

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 12:23 PM)
must compare with korean car, cannot compare with jap car, korean car history similar to proton ma

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Anyone knows if there's a "deadline" for pre-booking the car?

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Also, BuFung just noticed your sig... Serious liao? Who said that? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 12:50 PM)
Anyone knows if there's a "deadline" for pre-booking the car?

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 12:03 PM)
sadding.. later P3 boy cannot mod too much on the power side liao..  sad.gif

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performance mod better NOT...cuz anything happen, proton sure won't be responsible
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sadding.. later P3 boy cannot mod too much on the power side liao..  sad.gif
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At least P3 already have turbo.

Kesian us with the Saga CVT, max torque is 180Nm only. put turbo straightaway GB kong.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 12:52 PM)
a die hard nokia phone fans who think Nokia > all ...  always create own term .. like NANDRAM...  etc...
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laugh.gif Interesting. Name Sifu sumore sweat.gif

Keeping on-topic, anyone knows if pre-booking is limited to a certain amount?
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Not sure if prebook got limited units. Previously they are people mention at tanjung malim they have 3k units. According to thestar so far only 500 units booked. What color u plan to take?
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 01:12 PM)
laugh.gif Interesting. Name Sifu sumore sweat.gif

Keeping on-topic, anyone knows if pre-booking is limited to a certain amount?
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name Aspire bla bla bla.. famous die hard fans in Symbian/NOkia thread.... he is truly in the faggot level.. laugh.gif


why u worry about the booking limit? U hurry need a car? if yes.. faster go book now...


according to some SIFU said they have 3000 units ready.. so.. 1 months deliver 1000units still can have3 months supply mah... and still on going production..


beside, some other Sifu said only have 1k++ units laying around...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 PM)
name Aspire bla bla bla..  famous die hard fans in Symbian/NOkia thread....  he is truly in the faggot level..  laugh.gif
why u worry about the booking limit?  U hurry need a car?  if yes.. faster go book now... 
according to some SIFU said they have 3000 units ready..  so.. 1 months deliver 1000units still can have3 months supply mah... and still on going production..
beside, some other Sifu said only have 1k++ units laying around...
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dont worry, 1st batch ppl are skeptical.

even the rebadge car i also wait 1 year. with proton, you cant be too careful, lol.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 PM)
dont worry, 1st batch ppl are skeptical.

even the rebadge car i also wait 1 year. with proton, you cant be too careful, lol.
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u waited 1 year?? waited 1 year for?

turboja without Turbo.. mana ada complete? yawn.gif yawn.gif yawn.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 01:20 PM)
u waited 1 year??  waited 1 year for?

turboja without Turbo.. mana ada complete?  yawn.gif  yawn.gif  yawn.gif  tongue.gif
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waited 1 year to buy the car la, and it took them about 1 year to figure out the suspension sound problem, see.

after plunk in turbo, then you see turboja take bus to work. car cvt kantoi, car cannot use.

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waited 1 year to buy the car la, and it took them about 1 year to figure out the suspension sound problem, see.
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OMFG....  sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 19 2012, 01:17 PM)
Not sure if prebook got limited units. Previously they are people mention at tanjung malim they have 3k units. According to thestar so far only 500 units booked. What color u plan to take?
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Hmmmm...Read about the article as well. Don't have time to go and book liao sweat.gif

Still deciding between black or white. I like black. But reading the comments in the prev thread, lots of people say white will look much nicer. Just don't want to have the yellowing effect though. Or the constant need to wax as was mentioned by someone in the prev thread sweat.gif

So more inclined on black atm.

QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 01:18 PM)
name Aspire bla bla bla..  famous die hard fans in Symbian/NOkia thread....  he is truly in the faggot level..  laugh.gif
why u worry about the booking limit?  U hurry need a car?  if yes.. faster go book now... 
according to some SIFU said they have 3000 units ready..  so.. 1 months deliver 1000units still can have3 months supply mah... and still on going production..
beside, some other Sifu said only have 1k++ units laying around...
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Lol. Want to teach others but...epic fail. Heh. Like the previous troll-wannabe who uses a car to measure success. I pity the fool. Are we that pathetic nowadays? We measure a man's success, prestige and worth by the car he drives??? WTH happened to our generation? Oh lord. I really feel sorry for them doh.gif

ANYWAYS, worried because I'm afraid that there will be a sudden spike of people ordering and I have to delay getting the car. I'm kinda 80% decided on the car already. Would really love to test drive the car first though. But takut if wait too long delivery will take too long sweat.gif

Plus, I'm of the opinion that the early batch would be better qc-wise. Problems could easily be rectified via warranty.

I think. Feel free to correct me though laugh.gif

I'm putting my money on proton going all out to salvage their reputation. I used to be a hater. Untill I saw the specs of this car. Heh.
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 02:08 PM)
Hmmmm...Read about the article as well. Don't have time to go and book liao sweat.gif

Still deciding between black or white. I like black. But reading the comments in the prev thread, lots of people say white will look much nicer. Just don't want to have the yellowing effect though. Or the constant need to wax as was mentioned by someone in the prev thread sweat.gif

So more inclined on black atm.
Lol. Want to teach others but...epic fail. Heh. Like the previous troll-wannabe who uses a car to measure success. I pity the fool. Are we that pathetic nowadays? We measure a man's success, prestige and worth by the car he drives??? WTH happened to our generation? Oh lord. I really feel sorry for them  doh.gif

ANYWAYS, worried because I'm afraid that there will be a sudden spike of people ordering and I have to delay getting the car. I'm kinda 80% decided on the car already. Would really love to test drive the car first though. But takut if wait too long delivery will take too long sweat.gif

Plus, I'm of the opinion that the early batch would be better qc-wise. Problems could easily be rectified via warranty.

I think. Feel free to correct me though laugh.gif

I'm putting my money on proton going all out to salvage their reputation. I used to be a hater. Untill I saw the specs of this car. Heh.
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For P3, i believe they put all effort to get the first batch user's feedback as the testimonial of what they wanted. I'm not afraid of the QC cause this can be fixed easily and they already put effort into it, but more worried on the design wise. Since it is new chassis, design issue might be a major problem. Not only true for Proton, but others as well.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 19 2012, 02:14 PM)
For P3, i believe they put all effort to get the first batch user's feedback as the testimonial of what they wanted. I'm not afraid of the QC cause this can be fixed easily and they already put effort into it, but more worried on the design wise. Since it is new chassis, design issue might be a major problem. Not only true for Proton, but others as well.
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Design shouldn't be a problem though right...I mean, there's warranty for that no? Or will it be too painful a process and I should just stick with my current car until they sorted things out.

I'm just worried that if I adopt later, the QC - after the initial good response (providing of course, that it was a big hit), they would start to cut back on it.

When you say problem with the design/chassis, what could go wrong eh?

On a different note, does anyone know when they would actually get the results for the NCAP testing?

PS: Appreciate your posts btw. Informative like Mat's mostly. Wish there was a way to like/rep up posts in the forum
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 02:35 PM)
Design shouldn't be a problem though right...I mean, there's warranty for that no? Or will it be too painful a process and I should just stick with my current car until they sorted things out.

I'm just worried that if I adopt later, the QC - after the initial good response (providing of course, that it was a big hit), they would start to cut back on it.

When you say problem with the design/chassis, what could go wrong eh?

On a different note, does anyone know when they would actually get the results for the NCAP testing?

PS: Appreciate your posts btw. Informative like Mat's mostly. Wish there was a way to like/rep up posts in the forum
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bro, thats always a catch.

1st batch,

pro= better QC/material
cons= white mice.

the, being the first one with the car= priceless.

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no worries, now its ok to buy laugh.gif
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will it take another 5 years to address problem just like the power window for P321a.. sweat.gif sweat.gif

the Inspira.. last year I tested once actually.. test drive car with suspension problem.. sweat.gif laugh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 03:03 PM)
will it take another 5 years to address problem just like the power window for P321a..  sweat.gif sweat.gif

the Inspira.. last year I tested once actually..  test drive car with suspension problem.. sweat.gif laugh.gif doh.gif
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the power window not localised, dont worry. if really spoilt, change to mitsu part la wink.gif

er....suspension problem.....because P1 only touch suspension....so....its not a surprise biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 03:04 PM)
the power window not localised, dont worry. if really spoilt, change to mitsu part la wink.gif

er....suspension problem.....because P1 only touch suspension....so....its not a surprise biggrin.gif
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Inspira also got the power window issue?!! I do not know eh... sweat.gif sweat.gif wat I mean just now is the other proton car.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 03:06 PM)
Inspira also got the power window issue?!!  I do not know eh... sweat.gif sweat.gif wat I mean just now is the other proton car.. sweat.gif
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oh, other car....no wonder....

er.....they now give lifetime warranty ma brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 02:08 PM)
Hmmmm...Read about the article as well. Don't have time to go and book liao sweat.gif

Still deciding between black or white. I like black. But reading the comments in the prev thread, lots of people say white will look much nicer. Just don't want to have the yellowing effect though. Or the constant need to wax as was mentioned by someone in the prev thread sweat.gif

So more inclined on black atm.
Lol. Want to teach others but...epic fail. Heh. Like the previous troll-wannabe who uses a car to measure success. I pity the fool. Are we that pathetic nowadays? We measure a man's success, prestige and worth by the car he drives??? WTH happened to our generation? Oh lord. I really feel sorry for them  doh.gif

ANYWAYS, worried because I'm afraid that there will be a sudden spike of people ordering and I have to delay getting the car. I'm kinda 80% decided on the car already. Would really love to test drive the car first though. But takut if wait too long delivery will take too long sweat.gif

Plus, I'm of the opinion that the early batch would be better qc-wise. Problems could easily be rectified via warranty.

I think. Feel free to correct me though laugh.gif

I'm putting my money on proton going all out to salvage their reputation. I used to be a hater. Untill I saw the specs of this car. Heh.
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80% decided? Go for it and be the first few instant 'star'.
Q issue? Warranty will take care of that.
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funny i have never thought of a proton... but with this... might just consider.....

only thing is no leather seats
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 04:04 PM)
the power window not localised, dont worry. if really spoilt, change to mitsu part la wink.gif

er....suspension problem.....because P1 only touch suspension....so....its not a surprise biggrin.gif
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Its worth also if power windows rosak after 5 years with 10 years warranty. After 5 years replace with a new one and then it will take another years. Total up 10 years lifetime.

The most important is the resale value of the car. If you take Korean car, what if problem come cry.gif out after 5 years and you are unable to sell they car due to low resales value? correct me if i am not. Currently, i am not sure how is the resales value for Forte?
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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Mar 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
Its worth also if power windows rosak after 5 years with 10 years warranty. After 5 years replace with a new one and then it will take another years. Total up 10 years lifetime.

The most important is the resale value of the car. If you take Korean car, what if problem come  cry.gif  out after 5 years and you are unable to sell they car due to low resales value? correct me if i am not. Currently, i am not sure how is the resales value for Forte?
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kimchiboy coming... grab my popcorn first...

but i think here... sure potongboy win...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 03:30 PM)
kimchiboy coming...  grab my popcorn first...

but i think here... sure potongboy win...
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of cos man, myvi vs saga, myvi sure lost in lowyat, but not in salesnumber biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 03:31 PM)
of cos man, myvi vs saga, myvi sure lost in lowyat, but not in salesnumber biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 04:26 PM)
oh man, u're gonna start a flame war with this statement
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This is just a comparison and the truth la...do you expect to use the car for whole life?

Honestly i am not sure how good is the resales value for Korean Car like "Forte". They already have a history of bad resales value. This is depend also on the market demands.......

Just like our potong car had a bad quality history, but ppl still affordable because of low maintenance cost and cheaper monthly commitment. Of course if you have better budget you may choose "H","T" Or "VW" for better potong stim and not POTONG or KOREAN CAR.

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 19 2012, 02:58 PM)
bro, thats always a catch.

1st batch,

pro= better QC/material
cons= white mice.

the, being the first one with the car= priceless.

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Like mastercard advert laugh.gif I don't mind being the white mice though...provided my car don't go boom on me sweat.gif

QUOTE(watonk @ Mar 19 2012, 03:07 PM)
80% decided? Go for it and be the first few instant 'star'.
Q issue? Warranty will take care of that.
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What ruffstuff said did hit a chord though. What if there's a fundamental flaw in the design itself. Hmmm...Decision decisions. laugh.gif

QUOTE(xtjs @ Mar 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
funny i have never thought of a proton... but with this... might just consider.....

only thing is no leather seats
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No leather seat! Looks like will have to re-upholster the car leh. Damn mafan. Haih.

That wouldn't void the warranty though right?

Regarding the Japanese and Korean cars...would you really bother with the cars though? Honestly, it's like neither here nor there imho. Wanna say cheap...not really cheap. There was a discussion about how much the prices were jacked in the previous thread wasn't it? I mean, if you really wanna spend, might as well get a proper german.

And since there are some individuals who think the car maketh the man, might as well go for a bigger "wow"factor. Heh. My two pence worth.

I think if Proton screws up again this time round...very hard to get back the public approval. I see a lot of haters giving this P3 a chance. They had better get it right.
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 04:53 PM)
Like mastercard advert laugh.gif I don't mind being the white mice though...provided my car don't go boom on me sweat.gif
What ruffstuff said did hit a chord though. What if there's a fundamental flaw in the design itself. Hmmm...Decision decisions. laugh.gif
No leather seat! Looks like will have to re-upholster the car leh. Damn mafan. Haih.

That wouldn't void the warranty though right?

Regarding the Japanese and Korean cars...would you really bother with the cars though? Honestly, it's like neither here nor there imho. Wanna say cheap...not really cheap. There was a discussion about how much the prices were jacked in the previous thread wasn't it? I mean, if you really wanna spend, might as well get a proper german.

And since there are some individuals who think the car maketh the man, might as well go for a bigger "wow"factor. Heh. My two pence worth.

I think if Proton screws up again this time round...very hard to get back the public approval. I see a lot of haters giving this P3 a chance. They had better get it right.
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Feel disappointed after drop by P3-21a the Built up process for day 5 at the event.

Hopefully when the real car come out with promised.


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1st batch = good QC
1st batch = tikus makmal tongue.gif
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Booked the car just now for my wife..color yet to decide until we saw the car with our own eyes..took the CFE of course...


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Being among the first on the road with this car = priceless..lol

Felt it already when i got my own (new) car about 2 years ago..

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 03:30 PM)
kimchiboy coming...  grab my popcorn first...

but i think here... sure potongboy win...
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Toy lickers coming or not? oooo... nvm... they're here already tongue.gif
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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 19 2012, 04:57 PM)
Booked the car just now for my wife..color yet to decide until we saw the car with our own eyes..took the CFE of course...

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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Mar 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
Its worth also if power windows rosak after 5 years with 10 years warranty. After 5 years replace with a new one and then it will take another years. Total up 10 years lifetime.

The most important is the resale value of the car. If you take Korean car, what if problem come  cry.gif  out after 5 years and you are unable to sell they car due to low resales value? correct me if i am not. Currently, i am not sure how is the resales value for Forte?
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I wont worry much. Coz its made here. If other brand, poor resale, niche model, parts is hardly available. End up rotten.
If its local (minus Waja 1.8, Juara and Tiara- Renault), no matter how doom the sales, the parts should be available, easier to get, and continue to abuse. A good workhorse. Still saw a few 80's saga run around town vs, say, 80 Corolla LE.
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QUOTE(watonk @ Mar 19 2012, 05:19 PM)
I wont worry much. Coz its made here. If other brand, poor resale, niche model, parts is hardly available. End up rotten.
If its local (minus Waja 1.8, Juara and Tiara- Renault), no matter how doom the sales, the parts should be available, easier to get, and continue to abuse. A good workhorse. Still saw a few 80's saga run around town vs, say, 80 Corolla LE.
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Haha, hard to say. Old saga is rebadged lancer as well, they can stand alot of abuse. The same cant be say for post-wira proton cars.
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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Mar 19 2012, 04:27 PM)
Yes, previously really hate proton, but the P3 spec really impressed me. I have place a booking earlier with color Fire red on 14th March at the showroom before went to Bkt Jalil Power Of 1 event.

Feel disappointed after drop by P3-21a the Built up process for day 5 at the event.

Hopefully when the real car come out with promised.
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I used to be very much against proton. Heh. Giving them a chance now. The specs for this P3/Preve is too good to pass up.

A lot of people prebooked liao. I also want!

Contemplation, contemplation laugh.gif

QUOTE(watonk @ Mar 19 2012, 05:19 PM)
I wont worry much. Coz its made here. If other brand, poor resale, niche model, parts is hardly available. End up rotten.
If its local (minus Waja 1.8, Juara and Tiara- Renault), no matter how doom the sales, the parts should be available, easier to get, and continue to abuse. A good workhorse. Still saw a few 80's saga run around town vs, say, 80 Corolla LE.
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QFT. My A6 is a big fan of my mechanic's workshop. Dunno go in and out how many times dy. Bloody hell but parts for Audis are hard to find. Need to go around find half cut cars for best price/part ratio sweat.gif

On the other hand, my old iswara is still kicking with gusto. May not be the most comfortable of rides, but hell, it gets me from Point A to Point B. Rosak oso much cheaper to fix. Parts easily available too. And not too much of downtime in the workshop while waiting for parts to arrive.

QUOTE(dares @ Mar 19 2012, 05:31 PM)
Haha, hard to say. Old saga is rebadged lancer as well, they can stand alot of abuse. The same cant be say for post-wira proton cars.
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Another QFT moment.


So, regarding re-upholstering the car...would that void Proton's warranty? Anyone care to shed some light?
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QUOTE(watonk @ Mar 19 2012, 05:19 PM)
I wont worry much. Coz its made here. If other brand, poor resale, niche model, parts is hardly available. End up rotten.
If its local (minus Waja 1.8, Juara and Tiara- Renault), no matter how doom the sales, the parts should be available, easier to get, and continue to abuse. A good workhorse. Still saw a few 80's saga run around town vs, say, 80 Corolla LE.
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80s saga still got alot in sabah here and very good condition...no black smoke whatsoever and power is still there
corolla also
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QUOTE(marquis @ Mar 19 2012, 02:08 PM)
Hmmmm...Read about the article as well. Don't have time to go and book liao sweat.gif

Still deciding between black or white. I like black. But reading the comments in the prev thread, lots of people say white will look much nicer. Just don't want to have the yellowing effect though. Or the constant need to wax as was mentioned by someone in the prev thread sweat.gif

So more inclined on black atm.
Lol. Want to teach others but...epic fail. Heh. Like the previous troll-wannabe who uses a car to measure success. I pity the fool. Are we that pathetic nowadays? We measure a man's success, prestige and worth by the car he drives??? WTH happened to our generation? Oh lord. I really feel sorry for them  doh.gif

ANYWAYS, worried because I'm afraid that there will be a sudden spike of people ordering and I have to delay getting the car. I'm kinda 80% decided on the car already. Would really love to test drive the car first though. But takut if wait too long delivery will take too long sweat.gif

Plus, I'm of the opinion that the early batch would be better qc-wise. Problems could easily be rectified via warranty.

I think. Feel free to correct me though laugh.gif

I'm putting my money on proton going all out to salvage their reputation. I used to be a hater. Untill I saw the specs of this car. Heh.
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Mar 19 2012, 06:51 PM)
dont get black...trust me you will cry use black car in malaysia  cry.gif ...hard to maintain
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it only gets dirty easily only...any paint/colour nowadays also get dirty easy
on the other hand, white is the one that will make u cry..not only dirty easily but also need to wax every week to maintain the white since its not metallic paint
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Should have release a grey colour like the Kia Forte's. Hold it, just suggesting colours here whistling.gif
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Mar 19 2012, 06:51 PM)
dont get black...trust me you will cry use black car in malaysia  cry.gif ...hard to maintain
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but black is easy when the bumper got scratch..since the bumper itself is black..so it is not very obvious..
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 19 2012, 06:54 PM)
it only gets dirty easily only...any paint/colour nowadays also get dirty easy
on the other hand, white is the one that will make u cry..not only dirty easily but also need to wax every week to maintain the white since its not metallic paint
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White is not metallic paint? I am still considering black, white or fiery red color.
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So in the brochure it says the price range is going to be 60k - 70k, i reckon that's going to be the basic model?

Whereas the Premium specs ones, how much do u think they gonna be? around 80k?
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QUOTE(kiumo @ Mar 19 2012, 07:35 PM)
So in the brochure it says the price range is going to be 60k - 70k, i reckon that's going to be the basic model?

Whereas the Premium specs ones, how much do u think they gonna be? around 80k?
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62 to 75k...which is correct. 62k for langkawi model and 75k for premium model in kl.
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QUOTE(kiumo @ Mar 19 2012, 07:35 PM)
So in the brochure it says the price range is going to be 60k - 70k, i reckon that's going to be the basic model?

Whereas the Premium specs ones, how much do u think they gonna be? around 80k?
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75,500 is the highest spec with all the whistles and bells
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will previous saga owners regret??...just wondering...no offense though
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QUOTE(Jinster @ Mar 19 2012, 07:46 PM)
will previous saga owners regret??...just wondering...no offense though
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Saga is basic model. Targeting to different income group. If they can afford a 75k car, they might also bought a vios or city previously. Not a Saga.
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wonder if the color, elegant brown, nice or not... white, i have no time to wax. grey/silver maybe better.

fiery red not nice, i saw one flx se fiery red, look dull, if bright red, maybe better.

today plate number reach WWM6084

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 08:00 PM)
wonder if the color, elegant brown, nice or not... white, i have no time to wax. grey/silver maybe better.

fiery red not nice, i saw one flx se fiery red, look dull, if bright red, maybe better.

today plate number reach WWM6084
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All colors can be found in previous proton such as fiery red in FLX SE, elegant brown in Exora. The Blue lagon is the only new color. I think grey or white looks the best.
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just booked for elegant brown colour...
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 19 2012, 06:54 PM)
it only gets dirty easily only...any paint/colour nowadays also get dirty easy
on the other hand, white is the one that will make u cry..not only dirty easily but also need to wax every week to maintain the white since its not metallic paint
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u r totally incorrect, black is the hardest colour to maintain, i have both black and white cars. it's so easy to get dust stuck to the body, just a bit and u can see black colour turn into grey spots, u might need to wash the car every 2 - 3 days if the car wax has wore off. and black colour is the worst colour to have in a tropical country with hot weather, the car can easily get very hot even in mild temperature, half an hour under the afternoon sun will melt you, and it'll take quite a while to cool the car down with aircon. it's bad for the aircon system, it's bad for FC, it's bad for your health, it's bad for everything. the only redeeming feature of a black coloured car is it'll look good only.

white colour dust is not so easy to spot, i'm washing my white car once a week only in these unpredictable weather. the easiest colour to maintain is metallic grey

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM)
u r totally incorrect, black is the hardest colour to maintain, i have both black and white cars.  it's so easy to get dust stuck to the body, just a bit and u can see black colour turn into grey spots, u might need to wash the car every 2 - 3 days if the car wax has wore off.  and black colour is the worst colour to have in a tropical country with hot weather, the car can easily get very hot even in mild temperature, half an hour under the afternoon sun will melt you, and it'll take quite a while to cool the car down with aircon.  it's bad for the aircon system, it's bad for FC, it's bad for your health, it's bad for everything.  the only redeeming feature of a black coloured car is it'll look good only.

white colour dust is not so easy to spot, i'm washing my white car once a week only in these unpredictable weather.  the easiest colour to maintain is metallic grey
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Remember those ae101, ae111 colour? Those colour can blend together wt dush.... Not noticeable at all... Lol
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 08:24 PM)
Remember those ae101, ae111 colour? Those colour can blend together wt dush....  Not noticeable at all... Lol
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yea, their sky blue is nice.
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will previous saga owners regret??...just wondering...no offense though
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Huh? totally different segment mang, RM20k difference at least.
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QUOTE(valence @ Mar 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
just booked for elegant brown colour...
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM)
u r totally incorrect, black is the hardest colour to maintain, i have both black and white cars.  it's so easy to get dust stuck to the body, just a bit and u can see black colour turn into grey spots, u might need to wash the car every 2 - 3 days if the car wax has wore off.  and black colour is the worst colour to have in a tropical country with hot weather, the car can easily get very hot even in mild temperature, half an hour under the afternoon sun will melt you, and it'll take quite a while to cool the car down with aircon.  it's bad for the aircon system, it's bad for FC, it's bad for your health, it's bad for everything.  the only redeeming feature of a black coloured car is it'll look good only.

white colour dust is not so easy to spot, i'm washing my white car once a week only in these unpredictable weather.  the easiest colour to maintain is metallic grey
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i have a black car myself
yes..it gets dusty easily
but at least its a metallic paint...u dn't need to wax it every week to keep its shine
i only wax my car every 3-4 month
white in another hand is not metallic paint..need to constantly wash it and wax it every week to keep its shine
for me..a trip to the car wash/ wash yourself is way easier than wash and wax every week
no doubt white look nice but sadly its not metallic paint


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 08:24 PM)
Remember those ae101, ae111 colour? Those colour can blend together wt dush....  Not noticeable at all... Lol
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i would say old car's paint is better(old car mean the paint that they use last time)
car nowadays no matter what colour...gets dirty so easy...dn't know why
but car last time...no matter rain or dust..the car still look clean
my uncle have a corolla, didn't wash but look so clean...my dad's car also...waja...rain already still look ok
car nowadays ...once rain...look like just came back from crossing dirt road...its not the body that is dirty...its the bumper there only(front and rear)

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hmm, was it the paint job or the paint itself?

could it be that cars in the old days were treated with PPS?

hmm,if preve, was given 5yrs warranty, book 1st batch, also not bad, aiyo, should i get flx se or preve, 50k and 75k, affordability not an issue but i can save 25k for saga.

@Dares, was it possible to change the rear drum to disc brake? will it void the warranty and how much is the market price if can change.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 19 2012, 09:24 PM)
i have a black car myself
yes..it gets dusty easily
but at least its a metallic paint...u dn't need to wax it every week to keep its shine
i only wax my car every 3-4 month
white in another hand is not metallic paint..need to constantly wash it and wax it every week to keep its shine
for me..a trip to the car wash/ wash yourself is way easier than wash and wax every week
no doubt white look nice but sadly its not metallic paint


Added on March 19, 2012, 9:28 pm
i would say old car's paint is better(old car mean the paint that they use last time)
car nowadays no matter what colour...gets dirty so easy...dn't know why
but car last time...no matter rain or dust..the car still look clean
my uncle have a corolla, didn't wash but look so clean...my dad's car also...waja...rain already still look ok
car nowadays ...once rain...look like just came back from crossing dirt road...its not the body that is dirty...its the bumper there only(front and rear)
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There are metallic whites, although I doubt Proton uses them.

@watonk: The Tiara is a Citroen AX.

@kiapreve: I usually drive a car until it collapses and it's not worth it fixing it again. But then again I try to get a proper one in the first place.

To be honest a cousin drives a VW... brand new, and parts of the interior have come down. I felt so embarrassed laugh.gif Any car can have problems.

In terms of price... compare Vios with Fiesta. Similar cars, with similar specs and prices in other countries. Here the prices are similar, but the Fiesta is better speced. A lot better. Especially in terms of safety. Better value for money.
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 09:59 PM)
@Dares, was it possible to change the rear drum to disc brake? will it void the warranty and how much is the market price if can change.
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Yes. Can change.

Definitely will void the warranty

RM600-800 depending on material used.
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Solid white is the best.
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Then ask her used my saga... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 19 2012, 10:17 PM)
Yes. Can change.

Definitely will void the warranty

RM600-800 depending on material used.
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thanks for the info
then have to wait till warranty ended to get it changed.
is it per pair or only one pc?
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 10:22 PM)
thanks for the info
then have to wait till warranty ended to get it changed.
is it per pair or only one pc?
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whole conversion
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Mar 19 2012, 10:21 PM)
Solid white is the best.
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i will say silver like the first page is the best biggrin.gif
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Yes. Can change.

Definitely will void the warranty

RM600-800 depending on material used.
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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Mar 19 2012, 10:24 PM)
I tot all variant come wif disk brake...no?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 09:59 PM)
hmm, was it the paint job or the paint itself?

could it be that cars in the old days were treated with PPS?

hmm,if preve, was given 5yrs warranty, book 1st batch, also not bad, aiyo, should i get flx se or preve, 50k and 75k, affordability not an issue but i can save 25k for saga.

@Dares, was it possible to change the rear drum to disc brake? will it void the warranty and how much is the market price if can change.
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If got kids, then preve, if most of the time drive alone then saga.

Preve will make you easier to get girl, but saga will make you have more money to spend on girl. brows.gif

Happy Choosing..... rclxm9.gif
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the rear end design is like the clay model or the first post picture?
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he's asking bout the car in your avatar, bro.
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QUOTE(danabu @ Mar 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
If got kids, then preve, if most of the time drive alone then saga.

Preve will make you easier to get girl, but saga will make you have more money to spend on girl. brows.gif

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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Mar 19 2012, 10:28 PM)
Sorry...  notworthy.gif

btw Really meh <1K..  hmm.gif

Where got?  brows.gif
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Mar 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
the rear end design is like the clay model or the first post picture?
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Of course like the first post pictures since those are final products. Maybe we can see similar rear end in future fl?
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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Mar 19 2012, 10:28 PM)
Sorry...  notworthy.gif

btw Really meh <1K..  hmm.gif

Where got?  brows.gif
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This one, for example:

http://apulgarage.blogspot.com/2011/01/rea...r-saga-blm.html

I'm not vouching for this shop, this is just an example how much it will cost.
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Solid white not the best... But pearl white is the best...

Anybody plan to mod the car to be like this...

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Dunno whether will be any embargo@not, if not, then maybe an early review can be read@ just have to wait until launch.

Hoping for more positive than negative comments. Most importantly, be transparent n dont be afraid on commenting even been hated by some(in two perpective by the way).

Ha..ha..pity it is during weekdays. Quite bz.
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anyway, Azlan Othman interview with the journo.



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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 09:59 PM)
hmm, was it the paint job or the paint itself?

could it be that cars in the old days were treated with PPS?

hmm,if preve, was given 5yrs warranty, book 1st batch, also not bad, aiyo, should i get flx se or preve, 50k and 75k, affordability not an issue but i can save 25k for saga.

@Dares, was it possible to change the rear drum to disc brake? will it void the warranty and how much is the market price if can change.
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i think it was the paint itself...cheaper(maybe?)
proton now also offer 5 years warranty but it was 3+2..3 years warranty + 2 years extended warranty(depends on which insurance company)
and bear in mind...if u want that full 5 years warranty..u have to continuously service at proton SC in order to keep that warranty alive
many ppl will complain SC's labour fee expensive
for me..3 years is more than enough...if its gonna have problem...it would appear within the 1st year/1st 20000KM
if it ain't appearing in that 3 years...it ain't appearing soon...just service accordingly when u service outside thn its enough(change whats necessary, follow manual/receipt)
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 19 2012, 09:02 PM)
would love to see how it looks when its out

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should be same like FLX color.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Mar 20 2012, 11:13 AM)
should be same like FLX color.
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yea, but on a different design which in turn will makes a different outcome.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 19 2012, 10:55 PM)
Solid white not the best... But pearl white is the best...

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Quite agree..Solid white not easy to take care of...every dirt spot can be seen....I need to take care of my white car everyday. Washing and wiping and my wife also jealous I spend more time with the car than her cry.gif
The more shiny the white is, the hard it is to take care.

Those pearl white like Altis is more better is hiding dirt.

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I'm using blue haze waja cps. Just like persona se color and exora. Dirt almost cant be seen laugh.gif

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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 20 2012, 11:41 AM)
Quite agree..Solid white not easy to take care of...every dirt spot can be seen....I need to take care of my white car everyday. Washing and wiping and my wife also jealous  I spend more time with the car than her  cry.gif
The more shiny the white is, the hard it is to take care.

Those pearl white like Altis is more better is hiding dirt.
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thats why i very respect ppl who go buy white 308thp and SG it biggrin.gif they must wash car every 3 days like my kolik. lol. but white is the best color for it.
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do p321a have telescopic steering?

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 19 2012, 09:59 PM)
hmm, was it the paint job or the paint itself?

could it be that cars in the old days were treated with PPS?

hmm,if preve, was given 5yrs warranty, book 1st batch, also not bad, aiyo, should i get flx se or preve, 50k and 75k, affordability not an issue but i can save 25k for saga.

@Dares, was it possible to change the rear drum to disc brake? will it void the warranty and how much is the market price if can change.
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saga 1.6 flx is not bad. i tried the saga 1.3 with the cvt gearbox last week, it's way awesome compared to my saga with 4 spd auto.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 20 2012, 01:58 AM)
i think it was the paint itself...cheaper(maybe?)
proton now also offer 5 years warranty but it was 3+2..3 years warranty + 2 years extended warranty(depends on which insurance company)
and bear in mind...if u want that full 5 years warranty..u have to continuously service at proton SC in order to keep that warranty alive
many ppl will complain SC's labour fee expensive
for me..3 years is more than enough...if its gonna have problem...it would appear within the 1st year/1st 20000KM
if it ain't appearing in that 3 years...it ain't appearing soon...just service accordingly when u service outside thn its enough(change whats necessary, follow manual/receipt)
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i won't be bother about the paint. as long as park indoor and avoid places with cooking fumes, as it tend to get the car surface stick with dust.
you are right, 3yrs is more than enough, the sc labour fee, saw from proton website but didn't state labour fee separately.
if SC engineer dothe job well, i think still worth it.

just curious, other than SC, other workshop, are they able to service cars which is getting more advance?
or they did went for training in order to replace/service parts.

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Mar 19 2012, 08:08 PM)
u r totally incorrect, black is the hardest colour to maintain, i have both black and white cars.  it's so easy to get dust stuck to the body, just a bit and u can see black colour turn into grey spots, u might need to wash the car every 2 - 3 days if the car wax has wore off.  and black colour is the worst colour to have in a tropical country with hot weather, the car can easily get very hot even in mild temperature, half an hour under the afternoon sun will melt you, and it'll take quite a while to cool the car down with aircon.  it's bad for the aircon system, it's bad for FC, it's bad for your health, it's bad for everything.  the only redeeming feature of a black coloured car is it'll look good only.

white colour dust is not so easy to spot, i'm washing my white car once a week only in these unpredictable weather.  the easiest colour to maintain is metallic grey
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Hmm..I guess that would be a problem with black cars. Dust is very noticeable. It's so much better at absorbing heat. Haih. Looks nice though.


QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 20 2012, 11:41 AM)
Quite agree..Solid white not easy to take care of...every dirt spot can be seen....I need to take care of my white car everyday. Washing and wiping and my wife also jealous  I spend more time with the car than her  cry.gif
The more shiny the white is, the hard it is to take care.

Those pearl white like Altis is more better is hiding dirt.
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I take it proton don't have the pearl white option?

What are people's thought on brown on the P3? Coz I think it looks quite nice on the Exora. The new top-of-the-line one.

Anyone rajin enough to render it on photoshop? brows.gif
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 20 2012, 01:27 PM)
i won't be bother about the paint. as long as park indoor and avoid places with cooking fumes, as it tend to get the car surface stick with dust.
you are right, 3yrs is more than enough, the sc labour fee, saw from proton website but didn't state labour fee separately.
if SC engineer dothe job well, i think still worth it.

just curious, other than SC, other workshop, are they able to service cars which is getting more advance?
or they did went for training in order to replace/service parts.
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dn't think so...learn themselves maybe
but for this newer gen proton....outside workshop are gonna have to buy themselves a unit of CVT oil changer if they want to do business
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I don't think much car have pearl white option.. for all this normal car.. pearl white is 1 of the most expansive paint compare to other..

like T.. u want Pearl white.. = extra $...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 20 2012, 04:55 PM)
I don't think much car have pearl white option..  for all this normal car..  pearl white is 1 of the most expansive paint compare to other..

like T..  u want Pearl white.. = extra $...
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Toyota is actually offering Crystal White, dun think its Pearl White.
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Crystal White = beautiful name of Solid White

Just like "Taffeta White"
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What kind of white did Honda & Nissan used actually?
The one that used on civic, accord and sylphy.
Their white is more detail and clear than Proton. I wonder if Proton used some kind of cheap white or the color used to be like that only hmm.gif
Not to mention, Proton white color more easy to turn yellow
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 20 2012, 09:12 PM)
Crystal White = beautiful name of Solid White

Just like "Taffeta White"
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not sure the exact naming scheme but in workshop automotive painting field, that's how we name it.

Normal white, metallic or solid clear over based white.
Pearl white (yellowish after a while)
Crystalline white, the one on Toyota Camry and Toyota Altis.
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internal memo from proton marketing dept. 3500 units of p3-21a ready from soft launch until official launch..
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3500 units? Wow selling like hot cakes
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post Mar 20 2012, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 20 2012, 09:45 PM)
3500 units? Wow selling like hot cakes
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Current booking number 500 only. 3500 are the stocks they prepared so early bird buyer dont have to wait for months.
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3500 isnt all really
when distribute to different state...its actually not much for each state
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 20 2012, 01:27 PM)
i won't be bother about the paint. as long as park indoor and avoid places with cooking fumes, as it tend to get the car surface stick with dust.
you are right, 3yrs is more than enough, the sc labour fee, saw from proton website but didn't state labour fee separately.
if SC engineer dothe job well, i think still worth it.

just curious, other than SC, other workshop, are they able to service cars which is getting more advance?
or they did went for training in order to replace/service parts.
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Frankly I have the doubt about the same thing.
Proton SC technicians aren't very good at troubleshooting current models.Can they diagnose P3-21A with comes with a lot of mumbo jumbo's?
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What are people's thought on brown on the P3? Coz I think it looks quite nice on the Exora. The new top-of-the-line one.


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Well..nowadays I'm quite fond of that color...brownish gold color...but looks better on bigger cars
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elegant brown colour for p3-21a will not be available yet during launch. whoever interested with this colour might need to wait. No ETA given.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Mar 20 2012, 10:52 PM)
Frankly I have the doubt about the same thing.
Proton SC technicians aren't very good at troubleshooting current models.Can they diagnose P3-21A with comes with a lot of mumbo jumbo's?
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All the technicians already being sent for current models training.

Unless there is new issue arise, they will be able to solve it.
Else, emergency memo will be sent to all the service dealers and issue shall be rectified ASAP.

Proton Edar nowadays isn't like the one they used to be 10 years ago.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Mar 20 2012, 11:09 PM)
elegant brown colour for p3-21a will not be available yet during launch. whoever interested with this colour might need to wait. No ETA given.
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omg, then i whether wait 2nd batch or switch my color... cry.gif

QUOTE(allenultra @ Mar 20 2012, 11:28 PM)
All the technicians already being sent for current models training.

Unless there is new issue arise, they will be able to solve it.
Else, emergency memo will be sent to all the service dealers and issue shall be rectified ASAP.

Proton Edar nowadays isn't like the one they used to be 10 years ago.
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my friend's Exora cfe got problem, sent to sc and they are able to solve it, which caused by the valve in gearbox failure hmm.gif
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Of kos they'll be a quite number of technician that have been trained to handle this car.
But i think, the small SC might take a while. Just like Inspira case.
I remember at the 1st time i service my Inspira, there are only 1 person that know how to handle this car at SC that i goes (BB Selayang).
At that time, that person is on leave so i unable to ask any technical question about Inspira.
Since Proton expect sales number for this car will be better than Inspira, they really need to train their technician fast2.

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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Mar 20 2012, 11:50 PM)
Of kos they'll be a quite number of technician that have been trained to handle this car.
But i think, the small SC might take a while. Just like Inspira case.
I remember at the 1st time i service my Inspira, there are only 1 person that know how to handle this car at SC that i goes (BB Selayang).
At that time, that person is on leave so i unable to ask any technical question about Inspira.
Since Proton expect sales number for this car will be better than Inspira, they really need to train their technician fast2.
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Usually only chief mechanic will be sent for training.

Sad to say in most Proton Edar service dealers, they don't have highly experienced mechanics.
They not being paid well here, most of the good one end up in other brand service centre....... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Mar 20 2012, 11:52 PM)
Usually only chief mechanic will be sent for training.

Sad to say in most Proton Edar service dealers, they don't have highly experienced mechanics.
They not being paid well here, most of the good one end up in other brand service centre.......  sweat.gif
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Well what to do. Proton pay high to their staff, they short of money for R&D later.
Proton can growth more fast if all smart Malaysian especially those who take engineering course masuk Proton.
But this group of people usually end up seek for company that can offer gooding salary which Proton can't really offer.
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Anyway, good technicians nowadays are hard to come by.

I'm looking for good technicians for my upcoming service centre too.

Those who are experienced, will open an outlet themselves.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 19 2012, 10:12 PM)
There are metallic whites, although I doubt Proton uses them.

@watonk: The Tiara is a Citroen AX.

@kiapreve: I usually drive a car until it collapses and it's not worth it fixing it again. But then again I try to get a proper one in the first place.

To be honest a cousin drives a VW... brand new, and parts of the interior have come down. I felt so embarrassed laugh.gif Any car can have problems.

In terms of price... compare Vios with Fiesta. Similar cars, with similar specs and prices in other countries. Here the prices are similar, but the Fiesta is better speced. A lot better. Especially in terms of safety. Better value for money.
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Actually proton got Pearl White (or somthing like that), they used to use it on Persona Elegence H-Line (which has been discontinued). It was beautiful.
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What kind of white have been used on accord and civic car?
I like their white. It seems the color more long lasting too. No? hmm.gif
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Those on the Honda is very bright, abit like peral effect so it could be pearl paint, that time my dad send the Accord for dent repairing, the painter say it is called 2K Paint.
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QUOTE(RattleSnaKe @ Mar 21 2012, 12:31 AM)
Those on the Honda is very bright, abit like peral effect so it could be pearl paint, that time my dad send the Accord for dent repairing, the painter say it is called 2K Paint.
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I wonder why Proton not used that kind of white.
Or is it only me that love those white that used in civic/accord compare to Proton one sweat.gif
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Most metallic paint r 2k paint.... The pearl white r not just Normal 2k...
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proton sell their solid white car at cheaper price, how do use metalic for your car? and look at the Alza pearl white, it is metalic but a bit yellowish
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Mar 21 2012, 12:19 AM)
What kind of white have been used on accord and civic car?
I like their white. It seems the color more long lasting too. No?  hmm.gif
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pearl white..
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 20 2012, 02:40 AM)
new teaser, nothing much to see


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Is the circle hole at the rear seat for fuel pump just like in Waja?
If that's so, the fuel pump will be one of the major problem just like in Waja - overheated fuel pump causing fuel pump failure.

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QUOTE(PeowYong @ Mar 21 2012, 02:35 PM)
Is the circle hole at the rear seat for fuel pump just like in Waja?
If that's so, the fuel pump will be one of the major problem just like in Waja - overheated fuel pump causing fuel pump failure.
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Experience or hearsay?

Gen2, Persona, Satria Neo, Saga all have their fuel pumps in the same place.

Waja's fuel pump problem was the fuel pump, not where it was located. It's frequent failure was due to premature wear, crimped wiring or fuel pump relay (which is located in the dashboard) failure, not always because of overheat.

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 21 2012, 02:43 PM)
Experience or hearsay?

Gen2, Persona, Satria Neo, Saga all have their fuel pumps in the same place.

Waja's fuel pump problem was the fuel pump, not where it was located. It's frequent failure was due to premature wear, crimped wiring or fuel pump relay (which is located in the dashboard) failure, not always because of overheat.
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+1. juz changed fuel pump because of wiring. not the design fault of the placement of fuel pump itself
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teaser lolx

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QUOTE(mdzaboy @ Mar 21 2012, 06:12 PM)
teaser lolx

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i think should be some wood like plastic materials lol.. proton love to us them.. Seems tempting...
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Sterring look like civic hmm.gif
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that lcd looks a bit small..and it looks like it is just like a normal standard 2 din sized..which can fit any cars..i think more thiefs will aim for this kind of HU..
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those knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium also quite nice


Added on March 21, 2012, 7:56 pmthose knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium type also quite nice

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:55 PM)
those knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium also quite nice


Added on March 21, 2012, 7:56 pmthose knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium type also quite nice
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Most probably not magnesium. Cmon this is 70k car. Not 140k car. But it is glossy finish.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 21 2012, 08:17 PM)
Most probably not magnesium. Cmon this is 70k car. Not 140k car.  But it is glossy finish.
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QUOTE(azizul9736 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:22 PM)
Sterring look like civic hmm.gif
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:55 PM)
those knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium also quite nice


Added on March 21, 2012, 7:56 pmthose knob, hope not those cheap plastic..at least use those black hard plastic with glossy surface..

if they use magnesium type also quite nice
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inside door handles and paddle shifters ARE magnesium..
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 21 2012, 10:02 PM)
yea it look liked civic or city steering   hmm.gif
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Or Insect steering. They look the same.

On a side note, the interior looks nice. Nothing earth shattering but not appaling either. Although Potong needs to stop using that hedious faux wood trim already. Matte brushed aluminium look is better IMHO.

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QUOTE(1212345656 @ Mar 21 2012, 10:14 PM)
inside door handles and paddle shifters ARE magnesium..
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even falali or lambo also dont have door handle of magnesium....

paddle shifter magnesium we all know what car has that, biggrin.gif

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I freaking hate those fake wood plastic not only in this car.. Any car... Especially this shiny type.... The Matt type of fake wood still better....
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heard that inner door handle also magnesium for the premium line. Dunno true or not. Same as black bezel centre dash. Maybe true or not. Dunno ...
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im so looking forward to this car being reviewed...

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 22 2012, 12:45 AM)
http://twitpic.com/8ze2l1

im so looking forward to this car being reviewed...
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price range 60-70k? the specs really good leh..so tempted to get one!
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premium should be at 70K only not 75K. this will beat vios for sure.
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Sigh...still got people complaint about the price
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QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Mar 22 2012, 01:46 AM)
premium should be at 70K only not 75K. this will beat vios for sure.
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Change the logo, easily can reach 110k. Just because it is Proton, you expect it to be cheap.
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if sell at sarawak not more than 80k, i will consider buying if also my dad willing to sponsor half biggrin.gif was thinking of getting myvi, but this car far more worth it... next time can use as family car when married biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 22 2012, 03:05 AM)
Change the logo, easily can reach 110k.  Just because it is Proton, you expect it to be cheap.
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later lunch time u go to peugeot test drive 308thp, and then u wait for this proton preve to come out to test drive.

if you find preve to be better than 308thp( interior, quality,engine, power) , then preve can sell at 110k ( minus 8k from 118k, because preve dont have panaromic roof).

ok?
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 08:55 AM)
later lunch time u go to peugeot test drive 308thp, and then u wait for this proton preve to come out to test drive.

if you find preve to be better than 308thp( interior, quality,engine, power) , then preve can sell at 110k ( minus 8k from 118k, because preve dont have panaromic roof).

ok?
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Even it have sunroof, Proton can never sell on that price. But if they are not Proton, they can.

It is not about how cheap can Proton sell, it is about how expensive non-Proton car is selling, people have no problem buying it.

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Even it have sunroof, Proton can never sell on that price. But if they are not Proton, they can.
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u go sit in the 308thp, and look at the interior.

but i know its not fair.

peugeot has some of the best interior for below 200k region.

(minus peugeot 206).

but look at how they design the interior, its something proton sure can learn one thing or two.

photo will not do any justice, drop by a pug sales center and ask for a test drive wink.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 09:24 AM)
u go sit in the 308thp, and look at the interior.

but i know its not fair.

peugeot has some of the best interior for below 200k region.

(minus peugeot 206).

but look at how they design the interior, its something proton sure can learn one thing or two.

photo will not do any justice, drop by a pug sales center and ask for a test drive wink.gif
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Look at VW Polo interior. Plain. But people still love it. I love it. That is subjective. How your value things like design is subjective.
And I really don't like Puegoet 308t exterior. Really turn off, if sellling 80k i wont bother. See, how subjective design is for some people.

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 22 2012, 09:26 AM)
Look at VW Polo interior. Plain. But people still love it. I love it. That is subjective. How your value things like design is subjective.
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lol. if u look at the world wide opinion on vw interior. (any vw interior, because they are the same)

dull
boring
solid.

it is not subjective. yes, the most beautiful is subjective, but the ugly one, ppl usually agrees.


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anyway, my comment is whether preve can be sell at 110k.

if its as reliable as a toyota, and interior is as pretty/solid like peugeot or vw. Yes. Otherwise, rm75k is the best bet.





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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 09:33 AM)
lol. if u look at the world wide opinion on vw interior. (any vw interior, because they are the same)

dull
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solid.

it is not subjective. yes, the most beautiful is subjective, but the ugly one, ppl usually agrees.
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anyway, my comment is whether preve can be sell at 110k.

if its as reliable as a toyota, and interior is as pretty/solid like peugeot or vw.  Yes. Otherwise, rm75k is the best bet.
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World wide opinion of Peoguet exterior can be said the same. If you ask those who buy VW, they like the interior. If you ask Pegeout owner they also like theirs.

Preve is not worth 110k. The non-Proton itself not worth that price. I say people are willing to pay that price if it is import and non-proton.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 22 2012, 09:40 AM)
World wide opinion of Peoguet exterior can be said the same.  If you ask those who buy VW, they like the interior. If you ask Pegeout owner they also like theirs.

Preve is not worth 110k.  The non-Proton itself not worth that price. I say people are willing to pay that price if it is import and non-proton.
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of cos man, ppl driving saga loves their interior too......but if they carries saga interior to preve , then.......
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but compare to 150k Elantra 2012 interior... wah is like driving a spaceship + sunroof lol

camry.. .no!
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I have to agree with Pug 308T interior...best of it class. I love everything inside it..for driveability it need more refinement.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 09:41 AM)
of cos man, ppl driving saga loves their interior too......but if they carries saga interior to preve , then.......
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That is why i take Polo for example. Because they fall on the 100k above price range. They have dull, boring interior. If put saga interior into polo also people buy. laugh.gif
Preve interior is not bad. It is simple. Quality wise, need real thing to see and touch. By looking trough the pictures, it is better than vios, city or even the Polo.

308T interior really have class. But really dont like the body.

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we all know bout the performance..how bout engine reliability?...many people says force induction reduce the life of the engine..if NA engine can last 500k km or more,they say turbo engine only can last half of that...is it true?..really interested bout this car..but worried bout people kept on saying turbo engine cant last long biggrin.gif
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i want proton cheap but at the same time i would not be that stupid to buy those overpriced toyota and honda. tats why i want it to be cheap.

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if take Honda City = RM92K , monthly installment for 9 years is around RM980+

if take P3-21A = RM75, monthly installment for 7 years is around RM980+

better i buy P3-21A, after 5 years can sell and buy other car pulak. nice~!
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if talking about interior material,yup,i think french flair has the most squishy mushy soft plastic compare to most vw has in price to price comparison. Interior Design, for me, i like, vw a bit more than pug or renault.
For me, the best thing about vw, they know how to make thing look luxurious without over do it.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 09:24 AM)
u go sit in the 308thp, and look at the interior.

but i know its not fair.

peugeot has some of the best interior for below 200k region.

(minus peugeot 206).

but look at how they design the interior, its something proton sure can learn one thing or two.

photo will not do any justice, drop by a pug sales center and ask for a test drive wink.gif
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Nooo..dun listen to turbocharged advice...its poison

I kena oledi... test drive a 308T and straight away minus 1K from my Credit card for the deposit. icon_question.gif
And yes, I tested most of the C segment cars kaw - kaw before going to the Nasim showroom...No one could save me from the 308T.. wub.gif

Now I regret buying white color for the 308T...everyday need to clean one laugh.gif

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QUOTE(fahmietalife @ Mar 22 2012, 10:28 AM)
if take Honda City = RM92K , monthly installment for 9 years is around RM980+

if take P3-21A = RM75, monthly installment for 7 years is around RM980+

better i buy P3-21A, after 5 years can sell and buy other car pulak. nice~!
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RM 75, I pay cash and buy 20 units.

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QUOTE(leftist @ Mar 22 2012, 09:58 AM)
we all know bout the performance..how bout engine reliability?...many people says force induction reduce the life of the engine..if NA engine can last 500k km or more,they say turbo engine only can last half of that...is it true?..really interested bout this car..but worried bout people kept on saying turbo engine cant last long biggrin.gif
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proton has already tested this car until 250k km a few months back.. now probably reach 300k km adi

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QUOTE(fahmietalife @ Mar 22 2012, 11:28 AM)
if take Honda City = RM92K , monthly installment for 9 years is around RM980+

if take P3-21A = RM75, monthly installment for 7 years is around RM980+

better i buy P3-21A, after 5 years can sell and buy other car pulak. nice~!
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for city/dugong, even if you take 9yrs, after 3yrs of use you'll still able to sell and cover the loan balance.. for proton, you need to use at least 5yrs.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 22 2012, 11:47 AM)
Nooo..dun listen to turbocharged advice...its poison

I kena oledi... test drive a 308T and  straight away minus 1K from my Credit card for the deposit.  icon_question.gif
And yes, I tested most of the C segment cars kaw - kaw before going to the Nasim showroom...No one could save me from the 308T..  wub.gif

Now I regret buying white color for the 308T...everyday need to clean one  laugh.gif
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wait till u service ur Gearbox then u cry... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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wait till u service ur Gearbox then u cry...  tongue.gif tongue.gif
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aiya, all gearbox expensive one la.....saga gearbox also no cheap ma.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:11 PM)
aiya, all gearbox expensive one la.....saga gearbox also no cheap ma.
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service ur CVT how much? I mean changing the CVT oil... tongue.gif
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wait till u service ur Gearbox then u cry...  tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:11 PM)
aiya, all gearbox expensive one la.....saga gearbox also no cheap ma.
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Saga CVT gearbox is half the price of the car mang, RM22k++.
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QUOTE(leftist @ Mar 22 2012, 09:58 AM)
we all know bout the performance..how bout engine reliability?...many people says force induction reduce the life of the engine..if NA engine can last 500k km or more,they say turbo engine only can last half of that...is it true?..really interested bout this car..but worried bout people kept on saying turbo engine cant last long biggrin.gif
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it is true
see european car already know
BUT proton limits the torque in order to maximize its reliability...so no worries abt that
they even tested on their test car until now 250k KM already


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QUOTE(overfloe @ Mar 22 2012, 12:09 PM)
for city/dugong, even if you take 9yrs, after 3yrs of use you'll still able to sell and cover the loan balance.. for proton, you need to use at least 5yrs.
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erm...yes...resale value really good
BUT why would u wanna sell a car after 3 years IF the car is good
that only proves the car doesn't suit u or it sarks only
ppl tend to hold on to the car if the car is good....so if the car is good, how good is the resale value is out of question

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 12:16 PM)
it is true
see european car already know
BUT proton limits the torque in order to maximize its reliability...so no worries abt that
they even tested on their test car until now 250k KM already
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Waaa! Test till 250k KM...this oso u know. Good la...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 12:12 PM)
service ur CVT how much?  I mean changing the CVT oil...  tongue.gif
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cheap la, all in less than rm600 can settle. oil + labour
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 12:16 PM)
it is true
see european car already know
BUT proton limits the torque in order to maximize its reliability...so no worries abt that
they even tested on their test car until now 250k KM already


Added on March 22, 2012, 12:21 pm
erm...yes...resale value really good
BUT why would u wanna sell a car after 3 years IF the car is good
that only proves the car doesn't suit u or it sarks only
ppl tend to hold on to the car if the car is good....so if the car is good, how good is the resale value is out of question
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I have seem too many changing car every 2-3 years...

those ppl who do so.. most of the car is good car pun... smile.gif
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QUOTE(kychong @ Mar 22 2012, 12:23 PM)
Waaa! Test till 250k KM...this oso u know. Good la...
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It has been mentioned a few times, first time by mat79 I think where he spoke to the engineers at a press conference.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:23 PM)
cheap la, all in less than rm600 can settle. oil + labour
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wah... not that cheap also...

why the oil r damn expansive huh?

the Pigot ATF + Labour is RM2k... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 12:25 PM)
wah...  not that cheap also... 

why the oil r damn expansive huh?

the Pigot ATF + Labour is RM2k...   laugh.gif
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i think they charge according to luxury status one la.....

european car wei.....and to be fair...importing the oil from european is costlier than importing it from japan la biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 22 2012, 12:25 PM)
It has been mentioned a few times, first time by the insider high level somemore mat79 I think where he spoke to the engineers at a press conference.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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ini baru betul

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:28 PM)
ini baru betul
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1 more week they wanna launch dy what.... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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1 more week they wanna launch dy what....  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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this few weeks seem to be really LOOOONG.... zzzz....
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this few weeks seem to be really LOOOONG....  zzzz....
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er....for you only tongue.gif and kimchi fan....
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:39 PM)
er....for you only tongue.gif and kimchi fan....
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not potong fans? brows.gif brows.gif
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1 more week they wanna launch dy what....  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Launching P3 is one matter, getting Potong insider news is another ma.
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not potong fans?  brows.gif brows.gif
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oh ya i forgot.......this time they wanna pawn all below rm130k car already...
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oh ya i forgot.......this time they wanna pawn all below rm130k car already...
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that already done mah.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

inspira also kena liao... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 12:46 PM)
oh ya i forgot.......this time they wanna pawn all below rm130k car already...
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It just a matter of time... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 12:50 PM)
that already done mah..    thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

inspira also kena liao...  laugh.gif
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indirectly LGT also kena.. what's the price again? RM124xxx what?

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this time, there is no need to go chop shop, no need for any lution lution kind of modification.

direct from factory biggrin.gif
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fake inspira owner very hurt.... the butt....
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 12:16 PM)
erm...yes...resale value really good
BUT why would u wanna sell a car after 3 years IF the car is good
that only proves the car doesn't suit u or it sarks only
ppl tend to hold on to the car if the car is good....so if the car is good, how good is the resale value is out of question
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+1.... True..

Agree with u.... I won't punish myself by buying cars that have high resale value but a total shitz....

Better reward myself with a good car..... laugh.gif
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those import cars may have to revise their pricing.

read from the star, there will be some kind of tax revision for cars below 1.8L.
donno how this will impact the import car price.
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 22 2012, 01:12 PM)
those import cars may have to revise their pricing.

read from the star, there will be some kind of tax revision for cars below 1.8L.
donno how this will impact the import car price.
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Toyota and Honda will remain their price. More profit to them because we Malaysian don't mind being ripped off by T&H but Proton.
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we all Malaysian also don't mind all the tax money government pour into Proton crony supplier company.. for like.. close to 30 years? thumbup.gif
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we all Malaysian also don't mind all the tax money government pour into Proton crony supplier company..  for like.. close to 30 years? thumbup.gif
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we all very cincai and very forgiving one. biggrin.gif

imagine, 8 years old vios at 40k , how? brows.gif brows.gif selling like hot cake.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 01:23 PM)
we all Malaysian also don't mind all the tax money government pour into Proton crony supplier company..  for like.. close to 30 years? thumbup.gif
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I wonder how this work. Government gave money to vendors, to supply parts to proton?
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 01:24 PM)
we all very cincai and very forgiving one. biggrin.gif

imagine, 8 years old vios at 40k , how?  brows.gif  brows.gif  selling like hot cake.
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rclxms.gif hot cake... thumbup.gif it is a Toyota... whistling.gif tongue.gif

how is an 8 years old Inspira can sell later.. u guess? 45k? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 01:31 PM)
rclxms.gif  hot cake...  thumbup.gif  it is a Toyota... whistling.gif tongue.gif

how is an 8 years old Inspira can sell later..  u guess?  45k? brows.gif brows.gif
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45k ? wow.....i dont think so. lol.
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hahaha, govt need to feed many, so car tax here n there, if all politician reveal their assets, then rakyat will know there's hanky panky deal.

number now reach WWN745

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QUOTE(1212345656 @ Mar 22 2012, 12:09 PM)
proton has already tested this car until 250k km a few months back.. now probably reach 300k km adi
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 01:24 PM)
we all very cincai and very forgiving one. biggrin.gif

imagine, 8 years old vios at 40k , how?  brows.gif  brows.gif  selling like hot cake.
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but can really no doubt, those overpriced vios very tough...
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Saga CVT gearbox is half the price of the car mang, RM22k++.
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CVT gearbox so expensive?
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 22 2012, 03:17 PM)
CVT gearbox so expensive?
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not only CVT
gearbox itself(any GB)..with the engine cover abt 70-75% price of the car
thats why those 2 thing not so easy to spoil
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 04:05 PM)
not only CVT
gearbox itself(any GB)..with the engine cover abt 70-75% price of the car
thats why those 2 thing not so easy to spoil
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 04:07 PM)
r u sure ah?  sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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i mean when its new
this is just VT2...the exora or p3 one is VT3...more expensive
GB and engine are the 2 most expensive things inside a car
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I think the chassis is more expensive.

Who wanna go Proton and ask to buy a brand new chassis? then let us know how much sweat.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 04:05 PM)
not only CVT
gearbox itself(any GB)..with the engine cover abt 70-75% price of the car
thats why those 2 thing not so easy to spoil
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This 1, maciam tidak berapa logik aja...  sweat.gif

Any1 enjiner poton here?  tongue.gif
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if 10-15k, for VT3 GB, maybe i'll believe.

i watched overhaulin last night, really cool, especially the machine they use to make a brand new rim.
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:08 PM)
if 10-15k, for VT3 GB, maybe i'll believe.

i watched overhaulin last night, really cool, especially the machine they use to make a brand new rim.
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well..the 25k for VT2 is not me say one ah
its someone from the saga club go ask the SC how much it would cost to replace it
thats the answer given
VT3 should be more expensive
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 05:12 PM)
well..the 25k for VT2 is not me say one ah
its someone from the saga club go ask the SC how much it would cost to replace it
thats the answer given
VT3 should be more expensive
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Boss... do u think u buy all the part 1 by 1 from proton and assembly a car will cost you how much? compare to buying an entire car itself?

put it in another form.. do u think the % of margin any car maker will make from a car they sell will be higher.. or just selling a GB ?

yet to mention the labour of changing 1 GB compare to mass production assembly line....
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:17 PM)
Boss...  do u think u buy all the part 1 by 1 from proton and assembly a car will cost you how much?  compare to buying an entire car itself? 

put it in another form..  do u think the % of margin any car maker will make from a car they sell will be higher..  or just selling a GB ?

yet to mention the labour of changing 1 GB compare to mass production assembly line....
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thats a different story already...when u buy the car..its already included in the price of the car
when u need to replace one...thats a whole other price
of course when u mass produce/bulk buying..its cheaper
but for a 40k saga...that CVT does cover 50% of the car price...depend what car u compare to

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 05:23 PM)
thats a different story already...when u buy the car..its already included in the price of the car
when u need to replace one...thats a whole other price
of course when u mass produce/bulk buying..its cheaper
but for a 40k saga...that CVT does cover 50% of the car price...depend what car u compare to
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what make u get the number of 50% there??

we would like to see ur calculation... thanks..
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:28 PM)
what make u get the number of 50% there??   

we would like to see ur calculation...  thanks..
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40k - 20k = 20k

(20k/40k) * 100 = 50% icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 22 2012, 05:32 PM)
40k - 20k = 20k

(20k/40k) * 100 = 50% icon_rolleyes.gif
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how much is the conventional GB for the FL before the FLX ah?
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We're talking about replacement for a pre-existing GB of a car, not the cost of a GB in a mass production line.

The cost of replacing a CVT is RM 22k++, dunno include labour or not. How much it cost Proton to put a CVT into your car in the production line, we don't know.
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hahaha, of coz SC want to chop those who want to replace it.

unless you know the vendor/supplier, and a shop just like overhaulin, hahahaha
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 22 2012, 05:36 PM)
We're talking about replacement for a pre-existing GB of a car, not the cost of a GB in a mass production line.

The cost of replacing a CVT is RM 22k++, dunno include labour or not. How much it cost Proton to put a CVT into your car in the production line, we don't know.
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if so.. how do the calculation of the GB+Engine cover the car cost 70-75% from?

I cannot brain... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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no need to brain, just believe it
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:41 PM)
no need to brain, just believe it
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 22 2012, 05:36 PM)
We're talking about replacement for a pre-existing GB of a car, not the cost of a GB in a mass production line.

The cost of replacing a CVT is RM 22k++, dunno include labour or not. How much it cost Proton to put a CVT into your car in the production line, we don't know.
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u should focus on how much to "replace" one
not how much it cost when they put it into the car
let say the cost when they put in your car(production) is 15k...the cost of replacing is 22k
if u too focus on that "15k"...when its time to change...your mind keep saying 15k...thn u go ask for quotation, he say 22k
thn what u reply?...."ei, u put into the car(production) only 15k only ma, why u charge me 22k?"


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:40 PM)
if so..  how do the calculation of the GB+Engine cover the car cost 70-75% from? 

I cannot brain...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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thn how abt u calculate for us to see
how much is the VT2?..how much is a brand new campro engine?
add it all up...compare to the car price...how many %?
20??
like i said be4...depends u compare to what car and whats the price...70% is somewhat for saga...p3 not that high since the car priced 75k
for p3...need to add in the turbocharger as well

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but still 22k just to replace cvt, its like, take it or buy new car.

hmm, as long as maintain the car well, at 6th year, consider to sell, a good condition car should be able to sell off.

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:40 PM)
if so..  how do the calculation of the GB+Engine cover the car cost 70-75% from?  

I cannot brain...   rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:51 PM)
but still 22k just to replace cvt, its like, take it or buy new car.

hmm, as long as maintain the car well, at 6th year, consider to sell, a good condition car should be able to sell off.
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Hopefully by the time these cars warranty expires, the price of a new CVT will drop to something more affordable.

Else we'll have another case like a previous thread, Toyota quotes RM30k to overhaul Vios's engine. Time to buy a new car.

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:34 PM)
yeah...    icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

how much is the conventional GB for the FL before the FLX ah?
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haha.. this i duno.. u ask how to calc 50% ma.. i calc lo tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 22 2012, 05:47 PM)
thn what u reply?...."ei, u put into the car(production) only 15k only ma, why u charge me 22k?"
then SC should reply, RM15k for you if you buy 10000 unit of CVT gearbox from us
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i am reading this thread

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=102259

to gauge the cfe engine.. seems like there is quite a number of issue ppl r reporting.

abs module and cvt got sounds when hit bump and also something about (ocv valve, one way valve, then something about oil leakage from the vvt system) <- i group the last one is because its all the same issue but no one really knows the real cause


Added on March 23, 2012, 3:34 amwow. there seems to be a guy in autoworld call kristof that works at punch. he is answering all the questions ppl have about the gb. he himself is driving a bold.. by his english i think his not local.

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 23 2012, 02:38 AM)
i am reading this thread

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=102259

to gauge the cfe engine.. seems like there is quite a number of issue ppl r reporting.

abs module and cvt got sounds when hit bump and also something about (ocv valve, one way valve, then something about oil leakage from the vvt system) <- i group the last one is because its all the same issue but no one really knows the real cause


Added on March 23, 2012, 3:34 amwow. there seems to be a guy in autoworld call kristof that works at punch. he is answering all the questions ppl have about the gb. he himself is driving a bold.. by his english i think his not local.
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and a quick google of that guy's name

http://my.linkedin.com/in/kristofverpoorten


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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 23 2012, 02:38 AM)
i am reading this thread

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=102259

to gauge the cfe engine.. seems like there is quite a number of issue ppl r reporting.

abs module and cvt got sounds when hit bump and also something about (ocv valve, one way valve, then something about oil leakage from the vvt system) <- i group the last one is because its all the same issue but no one really knows the real cause


Added on March 23, 2012, 3:34 amwow. there seems to be a guy in autoworld call kristof that works at punch. he is answering all the questions ppl have about the gb. he himself is driving a bold.. by his english i think his not local.
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but first batch quality really good right?
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but first batch quality really good right?
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Got warranty ma  brows.gif  brows.gif
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but first batch quality really good right?
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no really lo. same case seems to apply to bold. like their leaking oil issue is a first batch problem. only the 2012 batch is ok.

but like the one way valve issue is seems to be still no general recall. they only now begin to investigate and alto they found they problem, it seems like its not a general issue and was cause by the over tightening of the valve. but fixing it requires you to do something like a top overhaul where you have to bukak the top part to access the vvt area.
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Not sure whether it can be launch by next week?
Really can't wait to test drive the car to access how good this the performance.


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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Mar 23 2012, 11:06 AM)
Not sure whether it can be launch by next week?
Really can't wait to test drive the car to access how good this the performance.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 23 2012, 10:37 AM)
no really lo. same case seems to apply to bold. like their leaking oil issue is a first batch problem. only the 2012 batch is ok.

but like the one way valve issue is seems to be still no general recall. they only now begin to investigate and alto they found they problem, it seems like its not a general issue and was cause by the over tightening of the valve. but fixing it requires you to do something like a top overhaul where you have to bukak the top part to access the vvt area.
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that is why, my inspira will b my last proton.

even touch inspira suspension then have sounds, imagine engine.
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
that is why, my inspira will b my last proton.

even touch inspira suspension then have sounds, imagine engine.
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the sounds is something that can be fixed, no?

for me if the issue can be fixed with warranty i am ok with it. i dont expect everything to be perfect like most ppl...

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 23 2012, 12:03 PM)
the sounds is something that can be fixed, no?

for me if the issue can be fixed with warranty i am ok with it. i dont expect everything to be perfect like most ppl...
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haha..some can fix, some not. mine is one of those whose sounds cant be known.

the worse thing bout it is that the sound fluctuates, sometimes it is there, sometimes it isnt, which makes it very tricky to solve.

At least go for inspira, drivetrain is a proven one.
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:51 PM)
but still 22k just to replace cvt, its like, take it or buy new car.

hmm, as long as maintain the car well, at 6th year, consider to sell, a good condition car should be able to sell off.
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if u service it properly...the problem will only come on the 7-8th year/around 200-250k KM
and thats is why when either the GB is broken/engine need some major fix and slap by mechanic by some magical number
ppl tend to just dump the car and buy a new one...and it is better to buy a new car cuz even after fix, u never know what else need fix
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
that is why, my inspira will b my last proton.

even touch inspira suspension then have sounds, imagine engine.
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To be fair, I was looking at Ford Fiesta when I read in their forums that certain earlier batches of the car have noisy gearboxes under certain operating conditions, and Ford seems to be looking the other way and pretend that nothing is wrong.

While I do agree Proton seem to be more prone to this kind of problems, it's not entirely accurate to single them out. At the end of the day, it all boils down to your luck, and whether your problem will be a cheap one or an expensive one.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 23 2012, 12:12 PM)
if u service it properly...the problem will only come on the 7-8th year/around 200-250k KM
and thats is why when either the GB is broken/engine need some major fix and slap by mechanic by some magical number
ppl tend to just dump the car and buy a new one...and it is better to buy a new car cuz even after fix, u never know what else need fix
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aiya..cvt not that fragile lah.. at least for me. just use recommend cvtf and not those aftermarket ones and you'll be fine.

the only problem as it gets older is the time it takes to engage to drive/or reverse from parking during cold starts.


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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 23 2012, 12:12 PM)
To be fair, I was looking at Ford Fiesta when I read in their forums that certain earlier batches of the car have noisy gearboxes under certain operating conditions, and Ford seems to be looking the other way and pretend that nothing is wrong.

While I do agree Proton seem to be more prone to this kind of problems, it's not entirely accurate to single them out. At the end of the day, it all boils down to your luck, and whether your problem will be a cheap one or an expensive one.
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yea..it was a risk i knew when i bought the inspira, but as long as the drivetrain is good, i can slowly play with proton regarding the suspension sound.

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 01:13 PM)
aiya..cvt not that fragile lah.. at least for me. just use recommend cvtf and not those aftermarket ones and you'll be fine.

the only problem as it gets older is the time it takes to engage to drive/or reverse from parking during cold starts.


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yea..it was a risk i knew when i bought the inspira, but as long as the drivetrain is good, i can slowly play with proton regarding the suspension sound.
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my wife own a SAGA BLM year end 2008, sometimes i could smell some petrol smell from the interior, not sure whether is this due to petrol leaking issue?

Furthermore, when the car put on "N" at the traffic light and step on the brek, i could hear some minor "dak dak dak" volume at the gear panel.

So far, i still no time to bother on this issue.
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:08 PM)
haha..some can fix, some not. mine is one of those whose sounds cant be known.

the worse thing bout it is that the sound fluctuates, sometimes it is there, sometimes it isnt, which makes it very tricky to solve.

At least go for inspira, drivetrain is a proven one.
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ic. probably a bushing issue. its correct that even with warranty its not easy to solve such issue because they are hard or almost impossible to diagnose. sometimes such sounds will go away after the bush start to wears down more.

this sounds abit like the dog bone issue that waja used to have. after a while thru trial and error ppl found out the source and know already wat to do.


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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Mar 23 2012, 12:24 PM)
my wife own a SAGA BLM year end 2008, sometimes i could smell some petrol smell from the interior, not sure whether is this due to petrol leaking issue?

Furthermore, when the car put on "N" at the traffic light and step on the brek, i could hear some minor "dak dak dak" volume at the gear panel.

So far, i still no time to bother on this issue.
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the gear thing you should check it out. but the petrol smell issue i've heard from other cars as well actually. again lo. thru trial and error see how other ppl solve it.

in any case i kindda expect the QC of proton to produce all this small2 nagging issue. after a while i stop feel surprise anymore. laugh.gif

as longs its not a critically fatal flaw.. like i say. im ok with it...

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 23 2012, 01:07 PM)
ic. probably a bushing issue. its correct that even with warranty its not easy to solve such issue because they are hard or almost impossible to diagnose. sometimes such sounds will go away after the bush start to wears down more.

this sounds abit like the dog bone issue that waja used to have. after a while thru trial and error ppl found out the source and know already wat to do.


Added on March 23, 2012, 1:12 pm
the gear thing you should check it out. but the petrol smell issue i've heard from other cars as well actually. again lo. thru trial and error see how other ppl solve it.

in any case i kindda expect the QC of proton to produce all this small2 nagging issue. after a while i stop feel surprise anymore. laugh.gif

as longs its not a critically fatal flaw.. like i say. im ok with it...
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haha...but it is not fun when your car is the 1st batch and no one else have the problem yet.
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haha...but it is not fun when your car is the 1st batch and no one else have the problem yet.
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 21 2012, 02:43 PM)
Experience or hearsay?

Gen2, Persona, Satria Neo, Saga all have their fuel pumps in the same place.

Waja's fuel pump problem was the fuel pump, not where it was located. It's frequent failure was due to premature wear, crimped wiring or fuel pump relay (which is located in the dashboard) failure, not always because of overheat.
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Experienced that on Waja, and from what i heard from mechanics, it is built and located there so that it is easier for changing the fuel pump. Wira, does not have this problem because the fuel pump is in the fuel tank itself. That is what I am told.
And the advise from the mechanics is to buy original fuel pump, and make sure your fuel tank is always above half tank because the fuel is cooling down the pump. The pump is not fully submerge in the fuel if the fuel level is low.
Long term of driving with fuel level below half tank will cause the fuel pump to be overheated and ended up failing.
I had also heard about the wiring problem for the fuel pump as well.


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QUOTE(PeowYong @ Mar 23 2012, 02:14 PM)
Experienced that on Waja, and from what i heard from mechanics, it is built and located there so that it is easier for changing the fuel pump. Wira, does not have this problem because the fuel pump is in the fuel tank itself. That is what I am told.
And the advise from the mechanics is to buy original fuel pump, and make sure your fuel tank is always above half tank because the fuel is cooling down the pump. The pump is not fully submerge in the fuel if the fuel level is low.
Long term of driving with fuel level below half tank will cause the fuel pump to be overheated and ended up failing.
I had also heard about the wiring problem for the fuel pump as well.
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You are right on all counts, especially running on low fuel all the time will cause the pump to fail earlier.

However, placement of the fuel pump has little do with it, since many other Proton cars have their pump placed at the same place and we seldom here any problem about it, except for Waja.

You are also right about Wira's fuel pump inside the fuel tank. My previous mechanic always curse when he has to remove the pumps from those damn wiras laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:13 PM)
aiya..cvt not that fragile lah.. at least for me. just use recommend cvtf and not those aftermarket ones and you'll be fine.

the only problem as it gets older is the time it takes to engage to drive/or reverse from parking during cold starts.


Added on March 23, 2012, 12:15 pm

yea..it was a risk i knew when i bought the inspira, but as long as the drivetrain is good, i can slowly play with proton regarding the suspension sound.
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time to upgrade to performance suspension?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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if it is the bushing at the control arms or lower arm, change suspension also wont make any difference..
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not only need recommended cvtf, u will also need to pay attention during service time on the cvt box mountings/bushes. they will degrade and break at somepoint which will cause misalignment between the cvt box n engine. prolonged condition will cause either side to wear more to the breaking point. but this is not only applicable to cvt, the same for auto n manual. and factors can be due to time(4-7yrs), driving habit, temperature, bla bla bla. my 2 cents


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if it is the bushing at the control arms or lower arm, change suspension also wont make any difference..
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time to upgrade to performance suspension?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Dun ever go down this road if you wan a comfortable ride laugh.gif only get a full custom one like titan etc..
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Mar 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
that is why, my inspira will b my last proton.

even touch inspira suspension then have sounds, imagine engine.
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Hi bro. I drive a honda civiv 1.8 fl .. At the same time i have bold 2011 model. So far no prob for the bold despite some ppl having extra sound here and there. But for the civiv? Let me Produce the list of problems since i use the car since 2009

1: difficult to open up the fuel lid , resend to sc after 1 week
2: hissing sound after 110 km/h . I can assure u that u dont have this prob in Bold or in my prev waja
3: brake judder at 60k km ( ppl own civic knows that this is due to low quality brake pad ) . Can only be fix with 3rd party brake pad
4: belakang right bearing problem at 70k km. Replaced
5: belakang left bearing prob at 80k km . Replaced. ( im lucky this prob appear during warranty, most ppl get it immediately after 100k km, my friend civic last week the right front wheel lock due to this prob ). I dont get bearing prob in my prev waja. Sold it off at 180k km
6: u open up right rear window and drive above 80km/h and u can hear loud heli sound. Yes i know many can u can hear this sound in many other cars ...but the sound is so damn fricking loud that it can pierce your eardrum
7: for pre facelift civic, honda knows that for 1.8 model had power steering host prob since 2006, they only did the recall in 2009!
8: i can list all civic fd potential prob but i better dont list it all because ppl may think it is worst then proton. Conclusion is, qc prob is not exclusice to proton !

If u all dont believe me u can check out my honda service record in macinda honda kuantan... Pm me for my car plate number


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QUOTE(kucau @ Mar 24 2012, 07:35 AM)
Hi bro. I drive a honda civiv 1.8 fl .. At the same time i have bold 2011 model. So far no prob for the bold despite some ppl having extra sound here and there. But for the civiv? Let me Produce the list of problems since i use the car since 2009

1: difficult to open up the fuel lid , resend to sc after 1 week
2: hissing sound after 110 km/h . I can assure u that u dont have this prob in Bold or in my prev waja
3: brake judder at 60k km ( ppl own civic knows that this is due to low quality brake pad ) . Can only be fix with 3rd party brake pad
4: belakang right bearing problem at 70k km. Replaced
5: belakang left bearing prob at 80k km . Replaced. ( im lucky this prob appear during warranty, most ppl get it immediately after 100k km, my friend civic last week the right front wheel lock due to this prob ). I dont get bearing prob in my prev waja. Sold it off at 180k km
6: u open up right rear window and drive above 80km/h and u can hear loud heli sound. Yes i know many can u can hear this sound in many other cars ...but the sound is so damn fricking loud that it can pierce your eardrum
7: for pre facelift civic, honda knows that for 1.8 model had power steering host prob since 2006, they only did the recall in 2009!
8: i can list all civic fd potential prob but i better dont list it all because ppl may think it is worst then proton.  Conclusion is, qc prob is not exclusice to proton !

If u all dont believe me u can check out my honda service record in macinda honda kuantan... Pm me for my car plate number
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wait till your bold 100k milage then compare notes lor..
one thing about the civic, if dispose it now, still alot of money come back.. good rv mah biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kucau @ Mar 24 2012, 08:35 AM)
Hi bro. I drive a honda civiv 1.8 fl .. At the same time i have bold 2011 model. So far no prob for the bold despite some ppl having extra sound here and there. But for the civiv? Let me Produce the list of problems since i use the car since 2009

1: difficult to open up the fuel lid , resend to sc after 1 week
2: hissing sound after 110 km/h . I can assure u that u dont have this prob in Bold or in my prev waja
3: brake judder at 60k km ( ppl own civic knows that this is due to low quality brake pad ) . Can only be fix with 3rd party brake pad
4: belakang right bearing problem at 70k km. Replaced
5: belakang left bearing prob at 80k km . Replaced. ( im lucky this prob appear during warranty, most ppl get it immediately after 100k km, my friend civic last week the right front wheel lock due to this prob ). I dont get bearing prob in my prev waja. Sold it off at 180k km
6: u open up right rear window and drive above 80km/h and u can hear loud heli sound. Yes i know many can u can hear this sound in many other cars ...but the sound is so damn fricking loud that it can pierce your eardrum
7: for pre facelift civic, honda knows that for 1.8 model had power steering host prob since 2006, they only did the recall in 2009!
8: i can list all civic fd potential prob but i better dont list it all because ppl may think it is worst then proton.  Conclusion is, qc prob is not exclusice to proton !

If u all dont believe me u can check out my honda service record in macinda honda kuantan... Pm me for my car plate number
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hi bro, you bought petaling street civic? or perhaps you got the lemon rclxms.gif i'm driving a four year old fd1. works perfect up to date. the only problem i have is too many people driving it. icon_rolleyes.gif anyway, from penang and mileage at 75k. you can also check out my service record in kah motor penang. the same goes to my friends, we have 3 people driving the same batch. only problem friend had was rattling window. warranty fixed it.

as for waja, i can list down tons of problem for you. my dad buys waja and persona for our company use. power windows screwed up at total 4 sides, door handle messed up on right side. oil filter screwed up twice. bassy sound from engine compartment. and many more. that is why when you wanna tell me proton QC is good, id say FFUUUUUUUUUUUU. lol. well, Preve or P-3 is new, so shouldn't comment yet. who knows, proton might really improve yawn.gif

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QUOTE(kucau @ Mar 24 2012, 07:35 AM)
Hi bro. I drive a honda civiv 1.8 fl .. At the same time i have bold 2011 model. So far no prob for the bold despite some ppl having extra sound here and there. But for the civiv? Let me Produce the list of problems since i use the car since 2009

1: difficult to open up the fuel lid , resend to sc after 1 week
2: hissing sound after 110 km/h . I can assure u that u dont have this prob in Bold or in my prev waja
3: brake judder at 60k km ( ppl own civic knows that this is due to low quality brake pad ) . Can only be fix with 3rd party brake pad
4: belakang right bearing problem at 70k km. Replaced
5: belakang left bearing prob at 80k km . Replaced. ( im lucky this prob appear during warranty, most ppl get it immediately after 100k km, my friend civic last week the right front wheel lock due to this prob ). I dont get bearing prob in my prev waja. Sold it off at 180k km
6: u open up right rear window and drive above 80km/h and u can hear loud heli sound. Yes i know many can u can hear this sound in many other cars ...but the sound is so damn fricking loud that it can pierce your eardrum
7: for pre facelift civic, honda knows that for 1.8 model had power steering host prob since 2006, they only did the recall in 2009!
8: i can list all civic fd potential prob but i better dont list it all because ppl may think it is worst then proton.  Conclusion is, qc prob is not exclusice to proton !

If u all dont believe me u can check out my honda service record in macinda honda kuantan... Pm me for my car plate number
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This post look typical plotting basher to me... 70k km , 80k km change bearing.... And I wonder which car no sound when u open up ur window driving so fast.. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 24 2012, 09:25 AM)
This post look typical plotting basher to me...    70k km , 80k km change bearing....  And I wonder which car no sound when u open up ur window driving so fast..   sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I`m not not basher, im stating my experience with my civic . check my car service record in Macinda Honda Kuantan. My car plate CCL1** of course every car has sound when open window, u have to hear yourself the TURBULENCE sound when u open up ONE REAR WINDOW ( u must be alone as any passenger may reduce the turbulence sound ) . u will hear this high pitch helicopter sound. Yes , my prev waja do hissing sound but not as bad as this. any of u who REALLY driving a civic may try this.Becareful with your tympanic membrane tho, come see me i`ll check your tympanic membrane with ototoscope FOC , no consultation fee . I may charge for the medication tho. hahaha.




Guys, go to civic 8th gen forum here http://eightgc2.forumup.com/ ....

Specifically go the this subforum http://eightgc2.forumup.com/forum-17-eightgc2.html

ask them about brake judder, bearing problem, power steering host prob in pre-FL 8th gen civic . Im not asking all of you to trust me , im telling you my real story . not only my real story but my friends story who r currently driving civic 8th gen . Come to dungun, i`ll show you my real car and all the real stories.

yes i also have Saga BLM at my home clocked 80k km , had power window prob at 20k km ( u can still use the power window but not smooth ) but rectified by the SC. The only current prob with my early batch BLM is high fuel consumption, i think the newer batch with 1.6 engine and CVT VT2 may have better FC.......I`m not bashing honda, but sometime we should accept the fact that even > RM 100k car, japanese or even continental also have some QC probs.

BTW, Kalist0 waith immediately after 100K , u may have bearing + brake + belt regulator prob. just wait

p/s yes my waja did have have few probs. one time power window prob after 1 yr. fuel pump prob at 150k KM . no other prob tho

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kalisto, what kucau try to point out is nothing perfect. He is not saying honda isnt good. It just that, if people list out prtn's problems, he's also can list out honda's problems. It will be never ending list if to argue.

The main point here, nothing perfect. Some due to human errors, some due to machine errors, mechanical errors n etc. All of this actually cant be avoid, but can be lessen by testing. Even if honda or prtn test out cars until 300k km, some problems didnt surface during the testing coz nothing perfect.

Rest assure any manufacturer did test their cars before produce it to masses. We've seen prtn's problem here due to majority here used prtn. If outside malaysia, is another way around. 1 deffect from 100 cars, means 1%. Same as 1000 defects from 100000 cars, also means 1%.

About imperfection like what happened to cfe recently, is common. Thats why u have seen recently so many recalls from many car manufaturers over the year lately. Some even that been produced in 2000.

If people say, what, prtn just launch the car, have problems, so, what happened after years of ownership? Stupid engineer n etc. But then, when a big name car manufacturer did recalling for problems on previous cars, that already end of lifecycle, so, why dont we say also stupid engineer, it took more than 10 years to identify the problem n rectify the errors, n the next generation of the same car already at the end of lifecycle. So, need to wait 10 years or more to know the current car carrying problems n maybe some owners already sold the car, n warranty only for the 1st ownership(brilliant is it, so, no need to entertain too much warranty, so, not losing too much money).

Is like one of my cousin says, prtn do not know how to make car. New car,already has simple problem. Even that take them month to solve the problems. Stupid rnd guys.Look at contis like ford, not much problems. Only main problem is the wiring, and he point out burning fiesta case. An this wiring things already been in ford for generation coz his father also used ford before, in 70's, also has no prob. Conclusion, ford is a good car. It keep me smiling, if wiring is the problem for ford since day one, so, how many generations they need to rectify wiring problems? What rnd guys at ford are doing for many generations? Are they stupid?

Actually, no, its just that problems can rise without warning, even been maintain it correctly, being tested vigoriously n etc. This not a perfect world. What makes us a human being? The imperfection. It just malaysian like to do their own assumption. Its like waht harith iskandar make a joke on malaysian in lawak ke der, when accident happened in malaysia, no matter what u do in ur life,regardless any job, when accident occur, everybody will become investigating officer, doing the investigation n assumption :-), yup, its funny, but its also a reality.

Adios.
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mat79, the answer to your statement is....ASS

After Sales Service. The perception is, proton ASS is worse. but i'm not sure. the normal oil changing service seems ok to me.

toyota seems to have number 1 in ASS ranking. and naza (kia/peugeot) is not very good. thus affects the resale value of the cars.


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I starting to detect a tinge of frustration in mat79's posts. Or is it just my imagination? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 24 2012, 11:58 AM)
mat79, the answer to your statement is....ASS

After Sales Service. The perception is, proton ASS is worse. but i'm not sure. the normal oil changing service seems ok to me.

toyota seems to have number 1 in ASS ranking. and naza (kia/peugeot) is not very good. thus affects the resale value of the cars.
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suddenly thought of a cold joke : why you proton got bad ASS, why jap got great ASS.
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Guys , Any recommended good showrooms in Cheras Area or maybe KL? My dad went to the one in Taman Connaught that day. He got pissed off with the SA lol. He asked what's the difference between the Premium and Executive variant. They SA answered him don't know -.- . Therefore, he's looking for 1 good Proton Showroom for him to make his booking for the P3-21A
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bring ur dad to COSE there...
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My dad asked me what colour do I want. I'm not sure coz I can't see the colour sheet!
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 24 2012, 11:58 AM)
mat79, the answer to your statement is....ASS

After Sales Service. The perception is, proton ASS is worse. but i'm not sure. the normal oil changing service seems ok to me.

toyota seems to have number 1 in ASS ranking. and naza (kia/peugeot) is not very good. thus affects the resale value of the cars.
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LOL..... ASS....kakaka....
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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Mar 24 2012, 01:35 PM)
Guys , Any recommended good showrooms in Cheras Area or maybe KL? My dad went to the one in Taman Connaught that day. He got pissed off with the SA lol. He asked what's the difference between the Premium and Executive variant. They SA answered him don't know -.- . Therefore, he's looking for 1 good Proton Showroom for him to make his booking for the P3-21A
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I think even most SA are still in the dark about the P321a, they'll probably take out the spec sheet and read out loud from there laugh.gif
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yup dares, but that's a part of being human :-) :-)
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I know many Proton SA are just lazy. They don't even bother to make research with their own product.

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Mar 24 2012, 03:39 PM)
yup dares, but that's  a part of being human :-) :-)
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Mar 24 2012, 03:45 PM)
I know many Proton SA are just lazy. They don't even bother to make research with their own product.
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Biase lah. Often times i know more about their product then they do, and not just proton SAs, any brand is the same.

I test drive a ford car, the minute i sit into the car he begins to recite the features like reading from a script. I ask him the car have EPS? He answer yes.. I ask him the car got traction control? He say yes, it is called EPS. doh.gif

When i test drive the exora bold CFE, the SA tell me the CVT whining sound is the tebo spooling. Then I ask him, my FLX also got tebo lor? Die senyum aje.
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Dares, pandai u do some simple diy to ur FLX but at the end it looks great.. thumbup.gif blush.gif

Tint u change edy ka... how much? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Mar 24 2012, 04:31 PM)
OffTopic:

Dares, pandai u do some simple diy to ur FLX but at the end it looks great..  thumbup.gif  blush.gif

Tint u change edy ka... how much?  whistling.gif
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Thanks blush.gif

Didn't change tint leh, still stock. Wait for it to koyak or bubble first then only change lah, me org miskin cry.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 24 2012, 05:11 PM)
Thanks  blush.gif

Didn't change tint leh, still stock. Wait for it to koyak or bubble first then only change lah, me org miskin  cry.gif
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QUOTE(PeowYong @ Mar 23 2012, 02:14 PM)
Experienced that on Waja, and from what i heard from mechanics, it is built and located there so that it is easier for changing the fuel pump. Wira, does not have this problem because the fuel pump is in the fuel tank itself. That is what I am told.
And the advise from the mechanics is to buy original fuel pump, and make sure your fuel tank is always above half tank because the fuel is cooling down the pump. The pump is not fully submerge in the fuel if the fuel level is low.
Long term of driving with fuel level below half tank will cause the fuel pump to be overheated and ended up failing.
I had also heard about the wiring problem for the fuel pump as well.
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is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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same goes to savvy..
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Mar 24 2012, 05:21 PM)
Aiyo not miskin la. Just not rich yet  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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QUOTE(mutt @ Mar 24 2012, 05:34 PM)
same goes to savvy..
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Got such phenomenon? I drove Waja and now Saga also never notice eh...Next time I'll pay more attention hmm.gif hmm.gif
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Is this the Blue Lagon colour? Uglyyyy man! I think it's better for me the get silver since all the cars at my house are white hmm.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 24 2012, 05:37 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif
Got such phenomenon? I drove Waja and now Saga also never notice eh...Next time I'll pay more attention  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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got
in theory..if more fuel = more heavy = pickup slow/no power
but in proton case..if your fuel is less than half tank, u will start to feel loss of power/no pickup...u need to rev higher to get the same pickup(eventhough less fuel is lighter)
but when u fill the tank until full...in theory pickup should suck but in proton case, pickup is way better, more power...when u need power, power is there
and its not placebo...its very noticeable
many of my friend who drive proton also say the same...can't explain why but i think this is the answer

and when the tank is lesser than half tank..somehow FC is much higher since no pickup and need to rev higher for pickup
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hahahaha..
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Mar 24 2012, 05:43 PM)
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Is this the Blue Lagon colour? Uglyyyy man! I think it's better for me the get silver since all the cars at my house are white hmm.gif
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many ppl dn't like exotic colour like the previous zitron green of saga
SA need to give large discount in order to dispose it cuz not many ppl wants it
ppl still prefer the usual white black and silver
white they say nicest...silver also nice..black need to wait and see
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:52 PM)
got
in theory..if more fuel = more heavy = pickup slow/no power
but in proton case..if your fuel is less than half tank, u will start to feel loss of power/no pickup...u need to rev higher to get the same pickup(eventhough less fuel is lighter)
but when u fill the tank until full...in theory pickup should suck but in proton case, pickup is way better, more power...when u need power, power is there
and its not placebo...its very noticeable
many of my friend who drive proton also say the same...can't explain why but i think this is the answer

and when the tank is lesser than half tank..somehow FC is much higher since no pickup and need to rev higher for pickup
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And the reason is ....?? rolleyes.gif
Only possible reason me can think of is the lower pressure in the fuel inside the tank caused by lower level of fuel left.
Fuel pump unable to function to optimum level due2 lower pressure...??
Dunno really...whistling.gif

Anyone??
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 24 2012, 05:11 PM)
Thanks  blush.gif

Didn't change tint leh, still stock. Wait for it to koyak or bubble first then only change lah, me org miskin  cry.gif
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Wah...stok oni already like that.. sad.gif
My car got stok tint also but mcm x ada... cry.gif

QUOTE(-cmi- @ Mar 24 2012, 05:21 PM)
Aiyo not miskin la. Just not rich yet  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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Didn't notice at all...

But 1 thing really noticeable is aircond really make my car underpower...
Dunno how many Hp goes there already... cry.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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did u ever change ur car's fuel filter?..
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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Mar 24 2012, 07:45 PM)
Wah...stok oni already like that.. sad.gif
My car got stok tint also but mcm x ada... cry.gif
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Not the same supplier meh? My stock tint is pretty much useless too, a far far cry from the tint I used for my previous ride (one month after installing the tint, I sold the car cry.gif )

But it's good to invest in a good tint also, it helps prevent the cheap plastics from becoming brittle too soon, and your aircon won't have to work as hard to cool the cabin. Now I just put those front screen cover whenever I park the car under the sun.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Mar 24 2012, 08:28 PM)
did u ever change ur car's fuel filter?..
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and its not my opinion only
i ask many ppl also all say like that
the more empty it is...the more no power(pickup)
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 08:41 PM)
nope
and its not my opinion only
i ask many ppl also all say like that
the more empty it is...the more no power(pickup)
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fuel filter also might be the problem..full of dirt..try change that 1st..not expensive..maybe about rm20-30 only..and can DIY also..people always forget/never know need to change the fuel filter..then suddenly cannot start, no power, engine stall, etc2..

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Mar 24 2012, 08:46 PM)
fuel filter also might be the problem..full of dirt..try change that 1st..not expensive..maybe about rm20-30 only..and can DIY also..people always forget/never know need to change the fuel filter..then suddenly cannot start, no power, engine stall, etc2..
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That may be true, but it doesn't explain why half tank would deliver less power than full tank.

The only explanation I can think of is what zeone said, fuel pressure, since the fuel pump always draw fuel from the bottom of the tank, more fuel = more pressure.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Mar 24 2012, 08:46 PM)
fuel filter also might be the problem..full of dirt..try change that 1st..not expensive..maybe about rm20-30 only..and can DIY also..people always forget/never know need to change the fuel filter..then suddenly cannot start, no power, engine stall, etc2..
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it might be but if its the fuel filter's prob
thn it should be a continuous loss of power regardless of full tank/half tank/near empty right?
the problem is..this no power/no pickup only appear when the fuel tank is less than half already
when its above half or full tank...no such problem...power is there when u need it...pickup normal
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 09:26 PM)
it might be but if its the fuel filter's prob
thn it should be a continuous loss of power regardless of full tank/half tank/near empty right?
the problem is..this no power/no pickup only appear when the fuel tank is less than half already
when its above half or full tank...no such problem...power is there when u need it...pickup normal
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from what i know, the fuel is first from the tank>fuel pump>fuel filter>engine..so when the fuel is low, the pump might only be able to suck less fuel since maybe the inlet is only partially submerged + dirty fuel filter which make inconsistent fuel delivery to the engine..

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We can discuss til the cows come home, or ask Proton why is it like that.

OR, just pump full tank la every time half tank dy, since running too low is not good for the pump also. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(megat89 @ Mar 24 2012, 09:33 PM)
from what i know, the fuel is first from the tank>fuel pump>fuel filter>engine..so when the fuel is low, the pump might only be able to suck less fuel since maybe the inlet is only partially submerged + dirty fuel filter which make inconsistent fuel delivery to the engine..
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The fuel pump draws fuel from the bottom of the tank via a hose from the fuel tank.

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I think even most SA are still in the dark about the P321a, they'll probably take out the spec sheet and read out loud from there laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 24 2012, 09:52 PM)
We can discuss til the cows come home, or ask Proton why is it like that.

OR, just pump full tank la every time half tank dy, since running too low is not good for the pump also. thumbup.gif
The fuel pump draws fuel from the bottom of the tank via a hose from the fuel tank.
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I was bored, so i play around with paint. i always hated how they design the rear lamp. so i hoping that aftermarket accessories will come out with something like this:

http://www.newpages2u.com/images/130855070...b084e338038.jpg

an "extension of sort" that has the same color as the rear light (of cuz not like the one above)... i f'ing hate the one in the link above, but too bad its the only one example i can think of right now. i think there is something similar for myvi and few mpv's also. cant recall... anyway here is my idea.

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version 2.. Audi TT style

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both also i like tongue.gif

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 25 2012, 01:41 AM)
I was bored, so i play around with paint. i always hated how they design the rear lamp. so i hoping that aftermarket accessories will come out with something like this:

http://www.newpages2u.com/images/130855070...b084e338038.jpg

an "extension of sort" that has the same color as the rear light (of cuz not like the one above)... i f'ing hate the one in the link above, but too bad its the only one example i can think of right now. i think there is something similar for myvi and few mpv's also. cant recall... anyway here is my idea.

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version 1.. Audi A4 style

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version 2.. Audi TT style

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both also i like tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 25 2012, 01:58 AM)
Oh god please don't do that faux lamp extension doh.gif I see these on Waja and Maivees and the ahbeng-ness is mind boggling, some don't even reflect light, it's just a matte surface with the pattern of a brake lamp  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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laugh.gif i have to admit tho that the one that is around right now in market like for myvi n waja is just horrible.. but the one i paint not bad ma tongue.gif

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 25 2012, 02:01 AM)
laugh.gif i have to admit tho that the one that is around right now in market like for myvi n waja is just horrible.. but the one i paint not bad ma tongue.gif
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Yea if it is a properly installed, functional member of the combi light then it looks good.

But if it's one of those reflectors pasted on the horizontal trim... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif ....furthermore the trim is not flushed against the combi light, look at it from another angle it will look weird.

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 25 2012, 02:08 AM)
Yea if it is a properly installed, functional member of the combi light then it looks good.

But if it's one of those reflectors pasted on the horizontal trim... shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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i still can accept if its just a reflector. i think it will be quite hard to make it as a functional light without drilling a hole and rewiring back to the existing module smile.gif
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i still can accept if its just a reflector. i think it will be quite hard to make it as a functional light without drilling a hole and rewiring back to the existing module smile.gif
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tunggu facelift  icon_idea.gif
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saw it (I think it is) on Guthrie Highway heading towards Sg Buloh on Friday morning. It is on full camou.

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Anyone knows if Preve has rear air-cond blower/vents? Would be very practical considering our climate.
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Don't think got rear aircond
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That's what I think too. Just wishful thinking since Proton wants to imitate Contis, many C-segments got rear air-con eg. Jetta, 308, C4. Would be a good selling point for some people.
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erm not sure got or not, just watch the teaser, the rear centre console there looks likely got... i think if got, the spec sheet sure mention it



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Heard from SA, launch date should be on 5th April.
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 25 2012, 12:46 PM)
Heard from SA, launch date should be on 5th April.
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wah... uncertain launch date.

first heard of it during power of 1, then 25/3, then 6/4, now 5/4, 4/4 ...
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Anyway the RM500 is refundable according to SA if you wish to cancel the booking. Only for premium you get one year free subscription of YES 4g.
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 25 2012, 12:50 PM)
wah... uncertain launch date.

first heard of it during power of 1, then 25/3, then 6/4, now 5/4, 4/4 ...
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QUOTE(azfamy @ Mar 25 2012, 12:05 PM)
That's what I think too. Just wishful thinking since Proton wants to imitate Contis, many C-segments got rear air-con eg. Jetta, 308, C4. Would be a good selling point for some people.
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why would u need rear aircon since proton aircon is so powerful it can blow until the back
just the vent need to adjust nicely
but got is better

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What I heard was 4th April. Booked mine yesterday, silver colour.
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 25 2012, 12:55 PM)
Anyway the RM500 is refundable according to SA if you wish to cancel the booking. Only for premium you get one year free subscription of YES 4g.
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not really useful after that

nowadays ppl are using data plan, iphone or android phones can work as wifi hotspot, no point to subscribe another data plan. moreover the coverage also isnt guarantee work in every area you go. This is great feature when in european or other developed countries
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According to sa, one year subscription of YES 4g is about $700+
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 25 2012, 03:58 PM)
According to sa, one year subscription of YES 4g is about $700+
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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 25 2012, 03:58 PM)
According to sa, one year subscription of YES 4g is about $700+
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Yes 4G is data based, not monthly based...
It likes the more u use, the more you will pay.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 25 2012, 01:35 PM)
why would u need rear aircon since proton aircon is so powerful it can blow until the back
just the vent need to adjust nicely
but got is better
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If got rear blower meaning dual-zone climate control. Sometimes driver & front want less cold but rear passengers want colder, so can set fan speed separately. Rear passengers also have own control, no need to ask driver to "can you turn up/down the air-cond please".
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QUOTE(azfamy @ Mar 25 2012, 06:52 PM)
If got rear blower meaning dual-zone climate control. Sometimes driver & front want less cold but rear passengers want colder, so can set fan speed separately. Rear passengers also have own control, no need to ask driver to "can you turn up/down the air-cond please".
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Most ppl who buys a RM 80k car won't miss that la.

aircon vent in the back means kids can stuff bubble gum wrappings into the vents mad.gif

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 25 2012, 03:53 PM)
not really useful after that

nowadays ppl are using data plan, iphone or android phones can work as wifi hotspot, no point to subscribe another data plan. moreover the coverage also isnt guarantee work in every area you go. This is great feature when in european or other developed countries
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Sometimes hardcore phone user like me want to conserve battery as much as it can...my phone if work as wifi hotspot battery can drop 15% every 10 minutes
So if connect to car wifi, can reduce battery consumption instead of using 3g network and supply internet to other devices wink.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 25 2012, 07:16 PM)
Most ppl who buys a RM 80k car won't miss that la.

aircon vent in the back means kids can stuff bubble gum wrappings into the vents  mad.gif
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hahaha...thats still ok...my little niece stuffing1 cent coins at the disc opening..... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Mar 25 2012, 07:24 PM)
Sometimes hardcore phone user like me want to conserve battery as much as it can...my phone if work as wifi hotspot battery can drop 15% every 10 minutes
So if connect to car wifi, can reduce battery consumption instead of using 3g network and supply internet to other devices  wink.gif
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Mar 25 2012, 07:24 PM)
Sometimes hardcore phone user like me want to conserve battery as much as it can...my phone if work as wifi hotspot battery can drop 15% every 10 minutes
So if connect to car wifi, can reduce battery consumption instead of using 3g network and supply internet to other devices  wink.gif
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I bought yoobou 11200mah external battery. No problem using my atrix as wifi hotspot all day long laugh.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 25 2012, 07:43 PM)
bro,car charger very cheap only tongue.gif
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I got also useless wor...use proton, the socket fuse always terbakar wan  doh.gif
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man why u buy proton !!!! yawn.gif:O:O
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Mar 25 2012, 08:56 PM)
I got also useless wor...use proton, the socket fuse always terbakar wan  doh.gif
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I'm suggesting you buy external battery. The biggest one 11200mah for RM199 thumbup.gif
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anyone can confirm is there any smart keyless entry for the high specs?

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 25 2012, 09:24 PM)
anyone can confirm is there any smart keyless entry for the high specs?
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so it has push start engine but no keyless entry? funny, weird. mean you still got to take the key out to unlock the car. sad sad. why got this not that. half hearted design.


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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 25 2012, 09:29 PM)
so it has push start engine but no keyless entry? funny, weird. mean you still got to take the key out to unlock the car. sad sad. why got this not that. half hearted design.
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yup. and you still need to slot in the key before you can start the engine with the push of the button.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 25 2012, 09:29 PM)
so it has push start engine but no keyless entry? funny, weird. mean you still got to take the key out to unlock the car. sad sad. why got this not that. half hearted design.
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If im not mistaken, it has keyless entry.
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QUOTE(mutt @ Mar 25 2012, 09:01 PM)
my waja once terbakar replace during service RM2+ only  biggrin.gif

I'm suggesting you buy external battery. The biggest one 11200mah for RM199  thumbup.gif
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Thats cheap for 11200mah shocking.gif
Normally 5000+mah for 120rm

From what I understand, still need to put the key at a specific
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 25 2012, 09:49 PM)
If im not mistaken, it has keyless entry.
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hope you know what i mean, smart keyless entry like forte. but as far as i am concern i couldnt find the button when i saw the cars in Tapah last week.

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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Mar 25 2012, 07:24 PM)
Sometimes hardcore phone user like me want to conserve battery as much as it can...my phone if work as wifi hotspot battery can drop 15% every 10 minutes
So if connect to car wifi, can reduce battery consumption instead of using 3g network and supply internet to other devices  wink.gif
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haha erm weird choice. Car charger is more cheaper than subscribe yearly YES 4G plan which is RM700 lol...
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 25 2012, 10:11 PM)
hope you know what i mean, smart keyless entry like forte. but as far as i am concern i couldnt find the button when i saw the cars in Tapah last week.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 25 2012, 10:11 PM)
hope you know what i mean, smart keyless entry like forte. but as far as i am concern i couldnt find the button when i saw the cars in Tapah last week.
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hope it doesn't works like Forte's one. (if has keyless entry)

20 seconds to get in the car. lol

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 25 2012, 10:38 PM)
hope it doesn't works like Forte's one. (if has keyless entry)

20 seconds to get in the car. lol
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Have to place the key near to the push start button or place it in the key holder then only can start the engine.
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Well I hope it's not like the Forte one sweat.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 25 2012, 10:38 PM)
hope it doesn't works like Forte's one. (if has keyless entry)

20 seconds to get in the car. lol
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and inconsistent start from the push start as well...need to wait a long time
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Bro..i cant really digest this statement..could u kindly elaborate the 'inconsistent start' term..what do u mean by it?


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Have to place the key near to the push start button or place it in the key holder then only can start the engine.
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Ohh..u mean this for Proton Preve right?


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Well I hope it's not like the Forte one sweat.gif
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Please make it clear bro..Forte one is like what? I need to digest this info wink.gif

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 25 2012, 10:25 PM)
haha erm weird choice. Car charger is more cheaper than subscribe yearly YES 4G plan which is RM700 lol...
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per year 700 per month 58 oni ma..
standard charge for data plan me thinks..
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^^Yeah, I need to digest this too. I've tested the 508's keyless entry & start stop system and find it quite cool. Never need to get keys out of pocket. So how's the Forte's?
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Mar 26 2012, 08:57 AM)
per year 700 per month 58 oni ma..
standard charge for data plan me thinks..
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^^Yeah, I need to digest this too. I've tested the 508's keyless entry & start stop system and find it quite cool. Never need to get keys out of pocket. So how's the Forte's?
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It works just like that..no need to even touch the smartkey. Just left the key in your pocket/handbag/laptop bag/plastic bag(lol) that u are carry along & u are good to enter & start the car..no mess whatsoever...& if u stay on the driver's side of the car, the whole car can be unlocked by u on that side only (by pressing the button on the driver's door handle)..if let say got another person (or perhaps a thief) in the passenger side at the same time, the car cant be unlocked at that side (passenger side) though that person press the button on the door handle (at the passenger door)..it was a safety measure..cool huh! whistling.gif

I wish Proton Preve Keyless Entry & Start/Stop Button functioning as good as this if not better nod.gif
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erm, the term keyless entry actually has a broad meaning. Using alarm already known as keyless coz u need to push button to unlock, not using key. So,it keyless. Many types of keyless entry couple with start stop button. Its kinda cool having keyless system as forte n etc. But for p3,its keyless is kinda diff. Yup, still need to slot the key fob, not the key to mobilize the car, then u can see at smart info display, the unlock key picturegram, then push the start button once to turn it on, push second time to start the car.

Any type of keyless n start stop button has pros n cons. Still agree that used in forte is cool.
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per year 700 per month 58 oni ma..
standard charge for data plan me thinks..
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
is this why proton car no power if your fuel is below half tank?
and its noticeable...me(saga BLM) and my friend who drives persona also say like that
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QUOTE(mutt @ Mar 24 2012, 05:34 PM)
same goes to savvy..
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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 24 2012, 07:00 PM)
And the reason is ....?? rolleyes.gif
Only possible reason me can think of is the lower pressure in the fuel inside the tank caused by lower level of fuel left.
Fuel pump unable to function to optimum level due2 lower pressure...??
Dunno really...whistling.gif

Anyone??
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I've said it.  Just launch it w/o PM.  Just break the traditional, no need to associate with the government or national pride.  shakehead.gif
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nice info. At least they promise to DO BETTER ooo biggrin.gif
let's see how true it is when it launched to the market smile.gif
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I saw some mention about "minor" feature brows.gif

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what new minor features would it be? and without increase price? start guessing lol
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The minor feature is chrome lining. Mula ada, lepas tu takda, sekarang ada balik kot.
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Mar 26 2012, 09:52 AM)
erm, the term keyless entry actually has a broad meaning. Using alarm already known as keyless coz u need to push button to unlock, not using key. So,it keyless. Many types of keyless entry couple with start stop button. Its kinda cool having keyless system as forte n etc. But for p3,its keyless is kinda diff. Yup, still need to slot the key fob, not the key to mobilize the car, then u can see at smart info display, the unlock key picturegram, then push the start button once to turn it on, push second time to start the car.

Any type of keyless n start stop button has pros n cons. Still agree that used in forte is cool.
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Just a minor feature, don't expect anything big.
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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 26 2012, 08:46 AM)
Bro..i cant really digest this statement..could u kindly elaborate the 'inconsistent start' term..what do u mean by it?
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forte's owner complain abt its push start sometime have problem
and its not the pushstart's problem...its the brake switch that causes it to have problem


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I've said it.  Just launch it w/o PM.  Just break the traditional, no need to associate with the government or national pride.  shakehead.gif
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they no need to break tradition...they can just simply ask someone else to do the launching
if 6th april cannot thn have to wait till after election already...its too close and he certainly dn't have time
just ask someone else

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 26 2012, 12:34 PM)
forte's owner complain abt its push start sometime have problem
and its not the pushstart's problem...its the brake switch that causes it to have problem


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they no need to break tradition...they can just simply ask someone else to do the launching
if 6th april cannot thn have to wait till after election already...its too close and he certainly dn't have time
just ask someone else
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That is already breaking the tradition. All Proton in house car have PM during the launch event. The management really want PM to launch their cars. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 26 2012, 12:47 PM)
That is already breaking the tradition. All Proton in house car have PM during the launch event. The management really want PM to launch their cars.    shakehead.gif
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no use one la
hes so busy doing last min songlaping...later u know what thn safe already brows.gif
if 6th april still can't thn surely need to wait until after already...or they better just find another person to launch
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The minor feature is chrome lining.  Mula ada, lepas tu takda, sekarang ada balik kot.
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[DAYDREAM] Maybe they change the rear lamp design wub.gif [/DAYDREAM]

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[DAYDREAM] Maybe they change the rear lamp design wub.gif [/DAYDREAM]
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 26 2012, 12:34 PM)
forte's owner complain abt its push start sometime have problem
and its not the pushstart's problem...its the brake switch that causes it to have problem
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Yupp..that's true. Many Forte owners facing this issue..it's the brake switch that fails the ignition as we need to press the brake pedal + push the start button to start the car. When the brake switch failed (malfunction), the car cannot detect that the brake pedal is being pressed, hence the car will not start. This issue is easily solved by the SC anyway. & if the brake switch did fail for whatever reason, there's still an alternative way to start the car without pressing the brake pedal..it's just a simple 2-step procedure. Treat this procedure as a fail safe mechanism when the standard starting procedure is failed..cool huh! biggrin.gif

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if launch on 6th april. good friday yo!
i doubt it.
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^^Thank you izputra & mat79 for the explanations.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 26 2012, 12:00 PM)
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I've said it.  Just launch it w/o PM.  Just break the traditional, no need to associate with the government or national pride.  shakehead.gif
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My picture =.= posted in cari.com.my by solemndream
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^^Thank you izputra & mat79 for the explanations.
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Now, already booked the premium P3 for my wife..giving another chance to Proton to prove itself with it new global car..hope this P3 will not disappoint me wink.gif
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Owh...  really?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 26 2012, 12:00 PM)
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I've said it.  Just launch it w/o PM.  Just break the traditional, no need to associate with the government or national pride.  shakehead.gif
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Did anyone realize the typo error..Proton Holdings BerhaRd..lol

Is this so-called announcement a valid one?..got typo error & no signature whatsoever.. hmm.gif

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haha ya lor where you get that from, share share no problem wink.gif
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Did anyone realize the typo error..Proton Holdings BerhaRd..lol

Is this so-called announcement a valid one?..got typo error & no signature whatsoever.. hmm.gif
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very normal loh. Torgue mah, very feeling good smoothie ride.. why not? it is valid.
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very normal loh. Torgue mah, very feeling good smoothie ride.. why not? it is valid.
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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 26 2012, 02:14 PM)
Yupp..that's true. Many Forte owners facing this issue..it's the brake switch that fails the ignition as we need to press the brake pedal + push the start button to start the car. When the brake switch failed (malfunction), the car cannot detect that the brake pedal is being pressed, hence the car will not start. This issue is easily solved by the SC anyway. & if the brake switch did fail for whatever reason, there's still an alternative way to start the car without pressing the brake pedal..it's just a simple 2-step procedure. Treat this procedure as a fail safe mechanism when the standard starting procedure is failed..cool huh!  biggrin.gif
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thn i think thats why proton gone for the key
insert key is way easier plus more secure...only the key owner can start it
once the car detects the key + immobilizer...thn can push start
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 26 2012, 04:48 PM)
thn i think thats why proton gone for the key
insert key is way easier plus more secure...only the key owner can start it
once the car detects the key + immobilizer...thn can push start
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Hmm..sort of defeat its purpose i have to say if the key is still need to be inserted in order to start the car..might as well use back the conventional turn-key ignition tongue.gif In Forte, the only time we need to insert the smartkey into the key fob (during starting) is when the smartkey's battery is running out of power (hence weak signal from the smartkey for the car to detect it). & of course, the owner still need to bring the smartkey to start the car (though the smartkey's battery is already out of power)..else the car wont start if it cannot sense the smartkey in the key fob...

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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 26 2012, 04:57 PM)
Hmm..sort of defeat its purpose i have to say if the key is still need to be inserted in order to start the car..might as well use back the conventional turn-key ignition  tongue.gif  In Forte, the only time we need to insert the smartkey into the key fob (during starting) is when the smartkey's battery is running out (hence weak signal from the smartkey for the car to detect it). & of course, the owner still need to bring the smartkey to start the car..else the car wont start if it cannot sense the smartkey around...
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i think a key is still the best
cuz not only for the engine
its for the door as well...fail safe
if the alarm doesn't work, the key will still work...theres no keyhole on the door but if not wrong, there is but its hidden behind the side of the door handle(theres a logo of a "key" there")
and a better way since they know forte's problem...instead later ppl bash proton say same problem with forte...thn they use a better easier way...which is the key
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 26 2012, 05:02 PM)
i think a key is still the best
cuz not only for the engine
its for the door as well...fail safe
if the alarm doesn't work, the key will still work...theres no keyhole on the door but if not wrong, there is but its hidden behind the side of the door handle(theres a logo of a "key" there")
and a better way since they know forte's problem...instead later ppl bash proton say same problem with forte...thn they use a better easier way...which is the key
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Yupp..absolutely right. Forte also got manual key inside the smartkey if in case u didnot know : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/413798...312ebcc1c_o.jpg

& also got keyhole on the door so that we can use the manual key to manually open the door if the smartkey fails for whatever reason..cool huh! brows.gif

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maybe its to prevent this? laugh.gif



fast forward to 3:08 where JC drives off with Hammond's car without the keys laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 26 2012, 05:24 PM)
maybe its to prevent this? laugh.gif

fast forward to 3:08 where JC drives off with Hammond's car without the keys laugh.gif
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How i wish Proton Preve got this improvement for its smartkey system..the car will stop by itself if it sense the absent of smartkey in the car. Forte do not have this features for sure..if u start the car (Forte) & somehow leave the car unlock, someone else can just went into the car & drive it as far as he want it (though the smartkey is with u), as long as he did not stop the engine sweat.gif however, the same scenario also applies to the conventional turn-key car whistling.gif worst still, the key is in the car (in the key slot/hole)..lol

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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 26 2012, 12:28 PM)
Just a minor feature, don't expect anything big.
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too bad that the VT3 is almost at its limit liao with this engine. not much room to upgrade engine performance... so smart of them to limit consumer this way to make sure they dont do anything stupid...

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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 26 2012, 05:40 PM)
How i wish Proton Preve got this improvement for its smartkey system..the car will stop by itself if it sense the absent of smartkey in the car. Forte do not have this features for sure..if u start the car (Forte) & somehow leave the car unlock, someone else can just went into the car & drive it as far as he want it (though the smartkey is with u), as long as he did not stop the engine  sweat.gif however, the same scenario also applies to the conventional turn-key car  whistling.gif worst still, the key is in the car (in the key slot/hole)..lol
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what you need is a smart system like die hard 4.0 where you can remotely start and stop a car. Road Assist, unlike our useless AAM
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 26 2012, 06:55 PM)
too bad that the VT3 is almost at its limit liao with this engine. not much room to upgrade engine performance... so smart of them to limit consumer this way to make sure they dont do anything stupid...
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there are 2 ways to look at it...the good way or the bad way
for customer like us...we want to upgrade the engine's performance so when proton upgrade to CVT, for us..its bad cuz we can't touch any performance mod
but for proton, its a good thing, they resolve the underpower, high FC and slow pickup problem since they can't adjust the gear ratios of their 4AT
so it depends on how u look at it
for me...its good and that CFE is more than enough already....turbo also added for u..and it kicks in @2-4k RPM somemore..what else needed to be mod


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what you need is a smart system like die hard 4.0 where you can remotely start and stop a car. Road Assist, unlike our useless AAM
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of course proton can do that
but when it broke down...many owners are gonna come here and bash why its so expensive to replace
cool is 1 thing...later broke down and cost 2k to replace...thats when it hurts
no problem if its toyota...if proton thn big problem brows.gif

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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 26 2012, 02:32 PM)
I'm owning the Forte 2.0SX for 2 years..that's why i can describe it features in such details..hehe.

Now, already booked the premium P3 for my wife..giving another chance to Proton to prove itself with it new global car..hope this P3 will not disappoint me  wink.gif
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maybe later you will exchange the P3 with your wife, cause u will like the power, looking at the spec sheet i am very very sure the torgue haha, will be smoothie ride with the CVT transmission.


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there are 2 ways to look at it...the good way or the bad way
for customer like us...we want to upgrade the engine's performance so when proton upgrade to CVT, for us..its bad cuz we can't touch any performance mod
but for proton, its a good thing, they resolve the underpower, high FC and slow pickup problem since they can't adjust the gear ratios of their 4AT
so it depends on how u look at it
for me...its good and that CFE is more than enough already....turbo also added for u..and it kicks in @2-4k RPM somemore..what else needed to be mod


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of course proton can do that
but when it broke down...many owners are gonna come here and bash why its so expensive to replace
cool is 1 thing...later broke down and cost 2k to replace...thats when it hurts
no problem if its toyota...if proton thn big problem brows.gif
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why would it be a problem for proton but not a problem for toyota? i dont get it?

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Because when Toyota recalled their cars no problem, if proton recall theirs then big problem. Can close shop
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 26 2012, 04:04 PM)
very normal loh. Torgue mah, very feeling good smoothie ride.. why not? it is valid.
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Because when Toyota recalled their cars no problem, if proton recall theirs then big problem. Can close shop
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+1

When proton car got problem big news, when toy otak car got problem... senyap senyap settle, nanti ptrn owner gelak sama dia. hahaha..

This is true, lots of jap car owner too pround and condem ppl buying p1 car like p1 car will bring them to hell, so when their jap car got problem they just dare not shares.
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个位网友们大家好,非常感谢大家对我的支持,为了保护PROTON,还有我自己,请大家不要在把那个消息播放出去,还有我希望大家可以把照片删掉。我为此事身感抱歉。谢谢!

Kepada semua peminat-peminat Proton ataupun forum ini, saya disuruhkan untuk menurunkan gambar yang telah saya upload pada petang ini untuk melindungi hak Proton dan saya sendiri. Tolonglah berhenti menyebarkan gambar gambar terserbut dan jangan bagi seberang berita yang bukan official lagi. Terima kasih dan saya memohan maaf atas kesulitan yang ada.

To the dearest readers and fans, please stop posting the pictures of announcement letter and the unofficial news as this is Proton rights and i am very sorry for the inconvenience caused. I am hereby asking all of you to remove the pictures and news from the places you had posted. Thank you for your co-operation.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 26 2012, 08:00 PM)
maybe later you will exchange the P3 with your wife, cause u will like the power, looking at the spec sheet i am very very sure the torgue haha, will be smoothie ride with the CVT transmission.
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this car is gooding mang! drool.gif
but will the price drop after election?
now buy it like very waste...
because crazy government tax...
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wonder if premium got white...wonder if exterior styling also different.

hiya, fast fast reveal

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:43 PM)
wonder if premium got white...wonder if exterior styling also different.

hiya, fast fast reveal
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hmm.why not??nway feel this 1-2 weeks very long..waited so long d
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wonder if premium got white...wonder if exterior styling also different.

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个位网友们大家好,非常感谢大家对我的支持,为了保护PROTON,还有我自己,请大家不要在把那个消息播放出去,还有我希望大家可以把照片删掉。我为此事身感抱歉。谢谢!

Kepada semua peminat-peminat Proton ataupun forum ini, saya disuruhkan untuk menurunkan gambar yang telah saya upload pada petang ini untuk melindungi hak Proton dan saya sendiri. Tolonglah berhenti menyebarkan gambar gambar terserbut dan jangan bagi seberang berita yang bukan official lagi. Terima kasih dan saya memohan maaf atas kesulitan yang ada.

To the dearest readers and fans, please stop posting the pictures of announcement letter and the unofficial news as this is Proton rights and i am very sorry for the inconvenience caused. I am hereby asking all of you to remove the pictures and news from the places you had posted. Thank you for your co-operation.
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the one with the letter...
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Seriously launch car need PM? Failed marketing strategy. Should have launch the car during F1 in front of 300million viewers. Biggest motoring event to launch a new car.
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Seriously launch car need PM? Failed marketing strategy. Should have launch the car during F1 in front of 300million viewers. Biggest motoring event to launch a new car.
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if it was launched during the power of 1 event, it should be even better because it will be the real crowd puller.
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It was supposed to be that event. But PM not available.
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It was supposed to be that event. But PM not available.
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yes, what a dumb decision. its not like the person launching it will buy one. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(MrssV @ Mar 26 2012, 11:19 PM)
Was there a picture of the car?
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So sad for me.. Got some rumors that there is no Proton in Bangkok Motor Show this year.
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Would 18" rims fit the car? Since the stock is 16"/55, for 17" I guess it'll be 45. So 40 for 18"?
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erm, not suggesting much on changing the rims size cause being inform, the original size of rims n tyres already at it utmost tuning balancing between comfort(ride quality) n handling.

Being inform that comfort is as inspira and handling is in a neo. If want to get better, change to a better tyres is the best option.
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what tyres we getting?
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To those that booked the car, does anyone know what are the documents needed for placing an order for a company? As in, the finances would be handled by the company but the car will not be listed as a comercial vehicle.

God, I don't even know if I make any sense laugh.gif

I lost the card for the SA at the Jalan Ampang branch. Any good ones to call?
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yes, what a dumb decision. its not like the person launching it will buy one. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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dunno :-), but heard rumours same as exora bold cfe.
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To those that booked the car, does anyone know what are the documents needed for placing an order for a company? As in, the finances would be handled by the company but the car will not be listed as a comercial vehicle.

God, I don't even know if I make any sense laugh.gif

I lost the card for the SA at the Jalan Ampang branch. Any good ones to call?
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Added on March 27, 2012, 12:18 pmTrust me man, if Proton still not going to launch the car during the early april i will boycott the PM during general election.

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QUOTE(FenomX @ Mar 27 2012, 12:15 PM)
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Added on March 27, 2012, 12:18 pmTrust me man, if Proton still not going to launch the car during the early april i will boycott the PM during general election.
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Added on March 27, 2012, 12:18 pmTrust me man, if Proton still not going to launch the car during the early april i will boycott the PM during general election.
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rofl, boycott PM. vote opposition then. pray they remove the P1 gomen protection. then P1 bankrupt and shutdown and 50000 workers lose their job (according to dr.mahadiu). If P1 believe that they are on the right track, then why do they need protection? Why not make it a free market? unless...
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QUOTE(FenomX @ Mar 27 2012, 12:15 PM)
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Added on March 27, 2012, 12:18 pmTrust me man, if Proton still not going to launch the car during the early april i will boycott the PM during general election.
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+ RM500 for 'booking fee'...& i also submit salary slips to secure the loan in advance
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else you will vote for BN? o.O
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No politics pls.lets just talk about the car.
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just drive the full spec version car inside factory.. damn good..you can hear the air intake sound during fast acceleration..
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yes, i'm voting them to hell but if no launching, not even want to see their face/
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just drive the full spec version car inside factory.. damn good..you can hear the air intake sound during fast acceleration..
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any comment on the plastic quality and the NVH level?

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QUOTE(fadlily @ Mar 27 2012, 02:05 PM)
just drive the full spec version car inside factory.. damn good..you can hear the air intake sound during fast acceleration..
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takkan satu line je.. kasik la 2-3 line review. laugh.gif
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any comment on the plastic quality and the NVH level?
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for the premium model not much plastic part look like, the shiny darkwood panel and some chrome finish part at the aircond and trim give more attractive look.for NVH level , i would say above than average but not perfect enough, they already upgrade the underneath insulation more then two inch ,previously only one inch for persona , so that will give better sound proof inside the car.for high speed test , i still didn't test it.
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darkwood i can accept.. old man need old man looking car tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 27 2012, 01:52 PM)
rofl, boycott PM. vote opposition then. pray they remove the P1 gomen protection. then P1 bankrupt and shutdown and 50000 workers lose their job (according to dr.mahadiu). If P1 believe that they are on the right track, then why do they need protection? Why not make it a free market? unless...
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they no longer under..lol
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no longer?

see the price different btwn langkawi n other region...

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 27 2012, 03:04 PM)
no longer?

see the price different btwn langkawi n other region...

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So what is your understanding base on that table?
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So what is your understanding base on that table?
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my understanding ah... no different in term of pricing between langkawi and other region lo...

where u can get a Civic @ RM80k in langkawi lo... altis 2.0V also RM81k....

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Y you need such as expensive car inside the small island....
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Y you need such as expensive car inside the small island....
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what car will u buy if you stay in that island ah? P321A? thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 27 2012, 03:12 PM)
my understanding ah...  no different in term of pricing between langkawi and other region lo... 

where u can get a Civic @ RM80k in langkawi lo...   altis 2.0V also RM81k....
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You don't know that Proton is handicapped in tax free region. Their cars was taxed immediately after keluar kilang. Since proton is not an imported car, there is no import duty to be exempted. Duty excise is still there for Proton car. Only exempted is road tax. This is in Custom act 1976 and 1967.
If you compare docket price of import cars at Customs between langkawi, you'll be surprise in langkawi still expensive.

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You don't know that Proton is handicapped in tax free region. Their cars was taxed immediately after keluar kilang.  Since proton is not an imported car, there is no import duty to be exempted. Duty excise is still there for Proton car. Only exempted is road tax. This is in Custom act 1976 and 1967.
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the way u look at this like Proton handicap or u should see it the other way round.. other handicapped in tax region?
what kind of logic is this?

we Malaysian are cover up by how many % of tax free region?

import duty to be "exempted"... if there is no tax.. why it have "exempted"? sweat.gif sweat.gif


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 27 2012, 03:25 PM)
the way u look at this like Proton handicap or u should see it the other way round.. other handicapped in tax region? 
what kind of logic is this?

we Malaysian are cover up by how many % of tax free region? 

import duty to be "exempted"...  if there is no tax..  why it have "exempted"?  sweat.gif sweat.gif
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what do you mean by no tax?
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conspiracy or not, who in the right mind(gomen or whatever if you deny it) would allow better cars (japan korean or conti) to price around national car price region. even most of autoblogs are always stating this. would you still buy p3 if a civic is sold at RM80k?. i might not know the tax structure but those fags up there 'controlling' the price, thats hardly deniable. even in price sheets for the cars have goverment approved price.

if want fairplay, allow other automakers to be independent instead of AP crony crap. of course, this would result to the death of the second hand car industry eventually. maybe one day they should put a poll to see which are the ones who actually support P1 or forced to buy P1 in Malaysia. remember, beggars dont get to choose. even our dear ex PM itself wrote in his blog , ' saya nak rasa keistimewaan kereta europa' or something like that. the brainchild of the national car that i doubt, has one that he actually bought.

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the words can twist until like Proton having disadvantage because of the duty/tax.... seriously.. sound like BN government... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 27 2012, 03:20 PM)
You don't know that Proton is handicapped in tax free region. Their cars was taxed immediately after keluar kilang.  Since proton is not an imported car, there is no import duty to be exempted. Duty excise is still there for Proton car. Only exempted is road tax. This is in Custom act 1976 and 1967.
If you compare docket price of import cars at Customs between langkawi, you'll be surprise in langkawi still expensive.
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Its not any tax free region. Only tax free region in Malaysia. As the base price in Malaysia were tax included as soon it going out of the factory. Proton car in Saudi is much cheaper because in Saudi there is no tax at all.

QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 27 2012, 03:57 PM)
the words can twist until like Proton having disadvantage because of the duty/tax....  seriously..  sound like BN government... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Actually its rather simple, proton price in Langkawi has been taxed even before it shipped to Langkawi, as has been mentioned by ruffstuff. The price is slightly cheaper than mainland because the sales tax were excluded.
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ppl should ask fadlily
hows the door slamming sound...lol
cuz when it launch..surely alot of uncle and auntie go slam it
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 27 2012, 03:48 PM)
conspiracy or not, who in the right mind(gomen or whatever if you deny it) would allow better cars (japan korean or conti) to price around national car price region. even most of autoblogs are always stating this. would you still buy p3 if a civic is sold at RM80k?. i might not know the tax structure but those fags up there 'controlling' the price, thats hardly deniable. even in price sheets for the cars have goverment approved price.

if want fairplay, allow other automakers to be independent instead of AP crony crap. of course, this would result to the death of the second hand car industry eventually. maybe one day they should put a poll to see which are the ones who actually support P1 or forced to buy P1 in Malaysia. remember, beggars dont get to choose. even our dear ex PM itself wrote in his blog , ' saya nak rasa keistimewaan kereta europa' or something like that. the brainchild of the national car that i doubt, has one that he actually bought.
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As i said, we can speculate everything. But for me, i just see the fact what is being presented. If it is under table, it is up to you. You can argue or state evidence something is going on under table. All those AP cronies does not care about Proton, they care more about their profit rather than Proton.

QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 27 2012, 03:57 PM)
the words can twist until like Proton having disadvantage because of the duty/tax....  seriously..  sound like BN government... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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As much as i hate the government, if there is no fact, it is all speculation. You keep telling yourself what you wanted to hear, and put blame on something else.
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QUOTE(izputra @ Mar 27 2012, 01:59 PM)
+ RM500 for 'booking fee'...& i also submit salary slips to secure the loan in advance
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Thanks for the input guys. Btw, izputra, if my company is taking the loan for me, do know what do I need? My accounts seem to be a bit clueless in this area sweat.gif

Also, if submit salary slip, proton will do the loan for you? I thought loan have to take yourself?

Btw, guys, we're here to talk about the car - not each person's political preference - there's RWI for that. Keep it clean lah. Later thread gets closed liao sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 27 2012, 03:48 PM)
conspiracy or not, who in the right mind(gomen or whatever if you deny it) would allow better cars (japan korean or conti) to price around national car price region. even most of autoblogs are always stating this. would you still buy p3 if a civic is sold at RM80k?. i might not know the tax structure but those fags up there 'controlling' the price, thats hardly deniable. even in price sheets for the cars have goverment approved price.

if want fairplay, allow other automakers to be independent instead of AP crony crap. of course, this would result to the death of the second hand car industry eventually. maybe one day they should put a poll to see which are the ones who actually support P1 or forced to buy P1 in Malaysia. remember, beggars dont get to choose. even our dear ex PM itself wrote in his blog , ' saya nak rasa keistimewaan kereta europa' or something like that. the brainchild of the national car that i doubt, has one that he actually bought.
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bro, civic tyre R without tax is only rm110k cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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launch date drawing near. wonder if a remapping of the ECU to lower the torque for higher HP will be available. can go for higher powerband too. now the HP is only equilvalent of 1.8 car tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sAm fIsher @ Mar 27 2012, 10:29 PM)
launch date drawing near. wonder if a remapping of the ECU to lower the torque for higher HP will be available. can go for higher powerband too. now the HP is only equilvalent of 1.8 car tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sAm fIsher @ Mar 27 2012, 10:29 PM)
launch date drawing near. wonder if a remapping of the ECU to lower the torque for higher HP will be available. can go for higher powerband too. now the HP is only equilvalent of 1.8 car tongue.gif
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i don't think you should do that.. you're gonna lunch the cvt gb and it'll cost you a bomb to replace..
want mod, wait p3-22a with 5(or maybe even 6)-speed stickshift..

or maybe can transplant halfcut mitsus??
heh, bro mat aka insider proton, can ah?


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CFE not as powerful as 2.0 car meh?
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as much or even more than some N/A 2.0 engines in terms of torque (205 nm)

max horsepower is only 138
i wonder why they couldn't use the r3 version of the campro as the basis.. it already had 145 bhp and 168nm of torques to begin with..
imagine 110 hp > 138 +28 hp
145hp+ 28= 173hp, same as Prince engine THP175!!

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Mar 27 2012, 10:58 PM)
CFE not as powerful as 2.0 car meh?
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depending on the gears and axle ratios, it may lose out at the top speed when racing with a true NA 2.0. the acceleration on the other hand is good given the torque available for picking up from zero and after braking or cornering, it will have good advantage. typically for city drive + normal highway use. the downside is the weight due to reinforced safety chassis. until we can see the car in reality, test drive it and look at the specs sheet, i would stress out these are just my assumptions.

anyone have seen the video of p3-21a chasing persona on a slalom race? im just wondering if that persona is a stick 1.6 smile.gif


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i don't think you should do that.. you're gonna lunch the cvt gb and it'll cost you a bomb to replace..
want mod, wait p3-22a with 5(or maybe even 6)-speed stickshift..

or maybe can transplant halfcut mitsus??
heh, bro mat aka insider proton, can ah?


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as much or even more than some N/A 2.0 engines in terms of torque (205 nm)

max horsepower is only 138
i wonder why they couldn't use the r3 version of the campro as the basis.. it already had 145 bhp and 168nm of torques to begin with..
imagine 110 hp > 138 +28 hp
145hp+ 28= 173hp, same as Prince engine THP175!!
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the torque n hp available to the wheels still fall back to the ratios from the axle and gb. finding the balance between the needed torque n hp will determine how well the car can perform. it can make the car good in acceleration but bad in top speed or the other way. maybe bro Mat can shed some lights on this biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(fadlily @ Mar 27 2012, 02:05 PM)
just drive the full spec version car inside factory.. damn good..you can hear the air intake sound during fast acceleration..
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ppl should ask fadlily
hows the door slamming sound...lol
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2:24 [the audineer also slam the door]

If one day proton possible to make this kind of ads, fuuuuh thumbup.gif

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the first thing i do at showrooms is open and closing the door of the car. No need to slam. Just close it like i usually do with my own car. I like it when the door closes with a gentle, soft "thud" sound, as if a lot of padding on the door frame. I will get turned off if the door closes like metal against metal and there is rattling and as if no rubber seal on the door.
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post Mar 28 2012, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(sAm fIsher @ Mar 28 2012, 12:56 AM)
depending on the gears and axle ratios, it may lose out at the top speed when racing with a true NA 2.0. the acceleration on the other hand is good given the torque available for picking up from zero and after braking or cornering, it will have good advantage. typically for city drive + normal highway use. the downside is the weight due to reinforced safety chassis. until we can see the car in reality, test drive it and look at the specs sheet, i would stress out these are just my assumptions.

anyone have seen the video of p3-21a chasing persona on a slalom race? im just wondering if that persona is a stick 1.6 smile.gif


Added on March 28, 2012, 1:04 am

the torque n hp available to the wheels still fall back to the ratios from the axle and gb. finding the balance between the needed torque n hp will determine how well the car can perform. it can make the car good in acceleration but bad in top speed or the other way. maybe bro Mat can shed some lights on this  biggrin.gif
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he...he...i'm not insider by the way. The question is, how fast u want to drive the car?
Example, in exora bold cfe, with nearly 1.5 tonne body, less aerodynamic than p3. Cfe already can launch it at speed beyond 200kmh. If beyond 200kmh is not enough, then, i think this car will not suit u. Talking about hp numbers, yes, the bigger, the better, but, let say, in the same car, same cc engine, one is 100hp, another one is 120hp, how much that 20hp translate to kmh? Just around 5-10kmh only. Back to the question, how fast the better hp car achieve the speed?

A common mass production car is not built for speed. It is more on usable power. For even 1.6 turbo(except race prepared car), speeding beyond 180kmh is a stress n it takes time to achieve speed beyond 200kmh.

Safe to say that based on info i gathered from prtn, speeding to 180kmh is effortless for a 1.6 car, even comparable with many 2.0 na cars.

As i mentioned above, if u r constantly drive beyond 180kmh, need speed more than 200kmh everytime u hit the fast lane, the car is not for u. But if U just need to speed beyond 180kmh only when it needed, or just for fun once a while, then, it will be rewarding.
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post Mar 28 2012, 08:49 AM

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great info there, cruising at 150kmh is more than enough for me.

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Why wouldn't they give stick shift to CFE? sad.gif

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