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post Aug 22 2011, 08:23 PM, updated 14y ago

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Public Mutual Berhad (Public Mutual) is the largest private unit trust company in Malaysia and currently manages more than 70 funds with total NAV of more than RM34.3 billion for more than 2,000,000 accountholders. Incorporated in July 1975, Public Mutual began its operations in 1980 with the launch of the Public Savings Fund, and soon went on to become an industry leader and setting forth new trends in innovative fund development.

More: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?name=aboutus
Main page: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/

1. Daily NAV price posting

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application/fund/detail.aspx

2. Public Mutual Onine

URL: https://www.publicmutualonline.com.my/

3. Fund Performance Chart

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...erformance.aspx

4. PBebank Internet Banking

URL: http://www.pbebank.com/en/en_content/personal/index.html

5. Important charges

Service Charge

Equity fund
Service Charge: 5.5% of NAV (excluding initial promo and DDI)
Repurchase Charge: NIL
Annual Management Fee: 1.5% p.a of NAV
Trustee Fee: 0.06% p.a. of NAV subjected to min fee of RM 18k p.a. and max fee of RM 600k p.a.

Bond/Money Market fund
Service Charge: 0.25% of NAV
Repurchase Charge: NIL
Annual Management Fee: 0.75% p.a of NAV
Trustee Fee: 0.035% p.a. of NAV subjected to min fee of RM 18k p.a. and max fee of RM 300k p.a.0.25% of NAV

Switching Fee

QUOTE
1. Switching of low-load units of bond/money market funds into equity and balanced funds will be subject to service charge.
2. Switching of loaded units may incur switching fee (of up to 0.75%) which is deductible from the redemption proceeds. The net proceeds will be processed into the "switch to" accounts based on the NAV per unit at the close of the business day:
3. For switching request made within 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of:
- 0.75% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from equity/balanced funds.
- 0.25% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from bond funds.
- RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from money market funds.

4. For switching request made after 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of RM25 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds.
5. For Mutual Gold & Elite Members, the 18 and 30 switching entitlements valued at RM25.00 each can be used to offset switching fees incurred. For eg; if the switching fee incurred is RM75.00, a switching entitlement of RM25.00 can be used to offset the switching fee, thereby unitholder only incurs RM50.00 on this switching transaction.


6. Previous version

v1: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/511793
v2: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1299169

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post Aug 22 2011, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(kintsuchi @ Aug 22 2011, 08:24 PM)
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For those asking about the coming distribution for PSMALLCAP, here's its distribution history for your reference:

[attachmentid=2400335]

Not sure the timing is good to declare distribution since global equity is being wiped out for the past two weeks!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 22 2011, 08:25 PM)
What is so nice?
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working there hehe
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working there hehe
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You work there?
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Congrat on V3,
It seem that the topic become hot when the market down laugh.gif
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How long does it take to have a license granted after sitting the CUTA exam?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 22 2011, 08:50 PM)
For those asking about the coming distribution for PSMALLCAP, here's its distribution history for your reference:

[attachmentid=2400335]

Not sure the timing is good to declare distribution since global equity is being wiped out for the past two weeks!
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Thanks for the information, David. Looks like DR will not be able to sustain on that amount, unless cut off is way earlier, for e.g. early this month. Anyway, my strategy would be the payout option, rather than the reinvest.
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How long does it take to have a license granted after sitting the CUTA exam?
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From memory - within a month.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2011, 07:57 AM)
From memory - within a month.
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i got it within a week.
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from koinibler:

Anyone can clarify that even though the sales charge mention is 5.5%,
but in reality its always deduct only RM 5.21 from RM 100, mean the sales charge only 5.21%

Is my calculation are wrong?
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how many uunits u got for RM100? waht is the unit price?


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Is it a good time to invest in Unit Trust now?
Stock market tumbling downwards in last 2 weeks and read some news in The Star business that it will continue falling...wonder did you all still see opportunity in Unit Trust?
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QUOTE(Ryan Soo @ Aug 23 2011, 11:04 AM)
Is it a good time to invest in Unit Trust now?
Stock market tumbling downwards in last 2 weeks and read some news in The Star business that it will continue falling...wonder did you all still see opportunity in Unit Trust?
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it can be good or better but not the best time. we cannot time the market.

its medium to long term, means 3 yrs and above to c the actual returns. if the timing is so good, u can c the return before the 3 yrs.

so, interested? waht is ur plan actualy? profit taking? or capital grow? going for steady dividedns?
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:03 AM)
from koinibler:

Anyone can clarify that even though the sales charge mention is 5.5%,
but in reality its always deduct only RM 5.21 from RM 100, mean the sales charge only 5.21% 

Is my calculation are wrong?
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how many uunits u got for RM100? waht is the unit price?
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Start with bond first lo if cannot time the market, and market so volatile smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ryan Soo @ Aug 23 2011, 11:04 AM)
Is it a good time to invest in Unit Trust now?
Stock market tumbling downwards in last 2 weeks and read some news in The Star business that it will continue falling...wonder did you all still see opportunity in Unit Trust?
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IMHO:
i wouldnt start any Equity Fund investment right now if i dont have any Equity Funds investment program started yet.
Reason: By my own tracking, KLCI's mid-long term trend (Current KLCI vs 50DMA vs 200DMA) has been in Distribution since early Aug 2011. Best not to fight the mid-long term trend.
The last time this occurred was in March 2008 and it continued on to bottom at end 2008 / 1st qtr 2009

As i've already have 3 equity fund investment programs running using "TwinVest" (a DCA & VCA approach) + 2 using DCA , i'll just continue along with these without starting any new ones.
Reason: My risk exposure is lowered if i continue because TwinVest & DCA gets more "oomph" (or value lar) when buying into a down market, rather than SWITCHING off now which will be "Sell low but Bought low-high"

Just my 2cents

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From memory - within a month.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 10:54 AM)
i got it within a week.
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Thanks smile.gif
Can one be an agent of PM and other fund houses after getting the license?
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:03 AM)
from koinibler:

Anyone can clarify that even though the sales charge mention is 5.5%,
but in reality its always deduct only RM 5.21 from RM 100, mean the sales charge only 5.21% 

Is my calculation are wrong?
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how many uunits u got for RM100? waht is the unit price?
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That is because the service charge is a percentage of the NAV per unit and not from the amount paid.
To make things simpler, I use the following formula to determine total service charge. (I forgot how i came up with this 2 years ago!)

Total charge = (Amount paid / (100 + SC)) x SC.

For example, assuming RM 100 paid and SC of 5.5%:
(RM 100 / (100 + 5.5)) x 5.5
= 100 / 105.5 x 5.5 = 5.21

If you replace the SC with 5.5%, then the end result is equivalent to 5.21% of amount paid. But you can use this formula for any other SC rates as well.

If anyone else got an easier formula do share!
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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:52 AM)
Thanks smile.gif
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Nope - U can only be a rep of one fund house UNLESS U sit for gawd knows what exam and register with SC or something, then U can represent a few. I think there are less than50 or so people that has the license to do so.

Sifus - please correct & add details yar. My memory's getting foggy - read and met up with a few of these fellows 2 to 3 years ago tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2011, 11:59 AM)
Nope - U can only be a rep of one fund house UNLESS U sit for gawd knows what exam and register with SC or something, then U can represent a few. I think there are less than50 or so people that has the license to do so.

Sifus - please correct & add details yar. My memory's getting foggy - read and met up with a few of these fellows 2 to 3 years ago tongue.gif
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Cheh.. BAFIA only mah.. Who does not BAFIA here?

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 23 2011, 12:22 PM)
Cheh.. BAFIA only mah.. Who does not BAFIA here?
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Sure boh BAFIA? Not bank leh tongue.gif

More like some people with license to open a CUTA (Corporate Unit Trust Adviser) or IUTA (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser).

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2011, 11:59 AM)
Nope - U can only be a rep of one fund house UNLESS U sit for gawd knows what exam and register with SC or something, then U can represent a few. I think there are less than50 or so people that has the license to do so.

Sifus - please correct & add details yar. My memory's getting foggy - read and met up with a few of these fellows 2 to 3 years ago tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 12:20 PM)
ya corrct - 1 UT compnay only. if want to join other UT company, kena resign frm current company.
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I see I see. Thanks for the reply. notworthy.gif
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Greetings everyone!

I'm a new member and also quite new to investing. I do have a few questions that I hope someone can give me some pointers. I'm trying to perform asset allocation and buying some funds that meets my criteria and one of the main determinant in asset allocation is to find out the fund's investment style (value, blend, growth) and type of holdings (small, mid, large-cap). But from what I gather these info is not readily available.

So my main question is: is there a place where I can obtain these info on a particular fund?
Thanks and sorry for the long post! smile.gif
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it can be good or better but not the best time. we cannot time the market.

its medium to long term, means 3 yrs and above to c the actual returns. if the timing is so good, u can c the return before the 3 yrs.

so, interested? waht is ur plan actualy? profit taking? or capital grow? going for steady dividedns?
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I'm looking for steady dividends and capital growth (in that order). what would you recommend?
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:03 AM)
from koinibler:

Anyone can clarify that even though the sales charge mention is 5.5%,
but in reality its always deduct only RM 5.21 from RM 100, mean the sales charge only 5.21% 

Is my calculation are wrong?
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how many uunits u got for RM100? waht is the unit price?
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david explain me the other way around of calculating SC.
SC is not from value invest in RM but the value of NAV.
I do get the correct amount using david formula.

Unless, you had something to explain differently!

QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 21 2011, 08:38 AM)
Usually I'll calculate the other way round.

Amount invested: I
NAV:
Buying price: NAV +5.5% = P

Unit bought: I/P
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2011, 12:25 PM)
Sure boh BAFIA? Not bank leh tongue.gif

More like some people with license to open a CUTA (Corporate Unit Trust Adviser) or IUTA (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser).
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Haha. Dunno la.. BAFIA or not BAFIA.. Hahaha.
Who work in Bank never BAFIA before de? Tell me frankly..

Anyhow, here is Unit Trust smile.gif

PIX volatile mode.. Everyday roller coaster for free.
If sentiment gets good, PIX will be the fastest to get recover from all the other stock.

So if your eyesight is good, can see the future that KLCI heading back to 1600, buy PIX now, and wait to collect money.
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QUOTE(lytros @ Aug 23 2011, 11:54 AM)
That is because the service charge is a percentage of the NAV per unit and not from the amount paid.
To make things simpler, I use the following formula to determine  total service charge. (I forgot how i came up with this 2 years ago!)

Total charge = (Amount paid / (100 + SC)) x SC.

For example, assuming RM 100 paid and SC of 5.5%:
(RM 100 / (100 + 5.5)) x 5.5
= 100 / 105.5 x 5.5 = 5.21

If you replace the SC with 5.5%, then the end result is equivalent to 5.21% of amount paid. But you can use this formula for any other SC rates as well.

If anyone else got an easier formula do share!
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rclxms.gif nice formula,
although my brain can't comprehend why that, why this,
but its good to know a working/simpler formula that I can rely on next time.
Thanks...


now, need to google BAFIA doh.gif
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If I invest into Bond now, is it OK ? Just to diversify my portfolio...

Which bond is recommended ?

Thank you
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 23 2011, 09:21 PM)
rclxms.gif nice formula,
although my brain can't comprehend why that, why this,
but its good to know a working/simpler formula that I can rely on next time.
Thanks...
now, need to google BAFIA  doh.gif
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Have been using this formula in my excel sheet.
I tried to work out how i came up with this earlier today... but not successful yet. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Aug 23 2011, 09:38 PM)
If I invest into Bond now, is it OK ? Just to diversify my portfolio...

Which bond is recommended ?

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Public Bond Fund.

But it's already closed.
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debbie, would you recommend any unit trusts at the moment?
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Aug 23 2011, 09:38 PM)
If I invest into Bond now, is it OK ? Just to diversify my portfolio...

Which bond is recommended ?

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PBFI or PSTBF
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 23 2011, 10:18 PM)
debbie, would you recommend any unit trusts at the moment?
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Public Saving Fund, Public SmallCap, Public Growth Fund. These are the funds that suit my appetite. To each his own.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 23 2011, 10:26 PM)
Public Saving Fund, Public SmallCap, Public Growth Fund. These are the funds that suit my appetite. To each his own.
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This is the right time to buy such equity fund ? Among the three, which give the best return ? which has the lowest risk ?


Which GOOD bond fund is still open ?
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This is the right time to buy such equity fund ?  Among the three, which give the best return ? which has the lowest risk ?
Which GOOD bond fund is still open ?
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You can search in http://my.morningstar.com for the fund performance
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This is the right time to buy such equity fund ?  Among the three, which give the best return ? which has the lowest risk ?
Which GOOD bond fund is still open ?
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You can try Public Strategic Bond Fund. It is relatively new but the return has been good.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:00 PM)
You can search in http://my.morningstar.com for the fund performance
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thanks .... I know this website too... Looking into it.
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QUOTE(mkyam @ Aug 23 2011, 08:38 PM)
Greetings everyone!

I'm a new member and also quite new to investing. I do have a few questions that I hope someone can give me some pointers. I'm trying to perform asset allocation and buying some funds that meets my criteria and one of the main determinant in asset allocation is to find out the fund's investment style (value, blend, growth) and type of holdings (small, mid, large-cap). But from what I gather these info is not readily available.

So my main question is: is there a place where I can obtain these info on a particular fund?
Thanks and sorry for the long post!  smile.gif
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from here http://www.publicmutual.com.my/OurProducts...FundReview.aspx

& here http://www.publicmutual.com.my/OurProducts...tatementFS.aspx


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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 23 2011, 08:39 PM)
I'm looking for steady dividends and capital growth (in that order). what would you recommend?
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u got it....dividedn fund with capital grow such as PIDF and PSDF or otehr fund with distribution policy annual income. but dont go for Bond-lah...not much grow-lah... only steady income.
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 23 2011, 09:10 PM)
david explain me the other way around of calculating SC.
SC is not from value invest in RM but the value of NAV.
I do get the correct amount using david formula.

Unless, you had something to explain differently!
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ya, u can go to my signature - how to calculate unit trust. i hv explain abt SC.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 23 2011, 10:26 PM)
Public Saving Fund, Public SmallCap, Public Growth Fund. These are the funds that suit my appetite. To each his own.
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add PRSF, PIDF, PDSF, PAGF, PEF, PIEF,PIX,PBF (all my favorites)

anybody want to add more?
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Aug 23 2011, 10:49 PM)
This is the right time to buy such equity fund ?  Among the three, which give the best return ? which has the lowest risk ?
Which GOOD bond fund is still open ?
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go to fund review and look for;
consisten return;
preservation;
total return;

1 to 5... the higher is the better.

i think all the BOND funds not much diff in performance.

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:45 PM)
u got it....dividedn fund with capital grow such as PIDF and PSDF or otehr fund with distribution policy annual income. but dont go for Bond-lah...not much grow-lah... only steady income.
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I think we shouldnt discount Bond Funds since bro kobe8byrant stated he wants steady income first tongue.gif

In addition, is he a working stiff like me (employee lar) OR a biz person with no EPF?
If no EPF, bond funds i should think is a MUST as part of an anchor to Asset Allocation across asset classes.

Bond funds are one of the ways to truly be Asset Class diversified, instead of just diversifying within Equities which is dangerous by itself - point of fact, see end2008 subprime crisis + 1997-1998 asian currency crisis + maybe even 2001 dot com burst, what happened to Equities VS what happened to Bonds brows.gif

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 23 2011, 09:10 PM)
david explain me the other way around of calculating SC.
SC is not from value invest in RM but the value of NAV.
I do get the correct amount using david formula.

Unless, you had something to explain differently!
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Bro - attached is a ZIP Excel sheet. U can see the logic & workings there easily and mess around with the YELLOW cells for other funds with front load charges.

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Added on August 24, 2011, 9:32 amNote for those that are interested in being their own agent:
PM just sent out a memo for renewal of UTC agent fees and stuff. One of their requirements is $30K of personal sales by Nov 2011.

Just thought U may be interested to know the "minimum sales"

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:45 PM)
u got it....dividedn fund with capital grow such as PIDF and PSDF or otehr fund with distribution policy annual income. but dont go for Bond-lah...not much grow-lah... only steady income.
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This is the ONE BIG problem i have with PM agents, they don recommend bond BECAUSE they can't get commission from it. SIMPLE.
Being a agent urself, i fail to see how you comprehend the whole understanding of fundamental financial planning. doh.gif
I think there was a study done before, comparing a 10-15yr of an individual investing in equities vs bond, and in the end, returns are somewhat similiar whistling.gif
AND also, dividend funds are not good, it's merely passing the income from right to left hand WITH tax incurred

QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 24 2011, 12:02 AM)
go to fund review and look for;
consisten return;
preservation;
total return;

1 to 5... the higher is the better.

i think all the BOND funds not much diff in performance.
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check out funds like PBOND, PBIBF , u'll be suprised on the returns
Even then a better than average bond like PBFI is having 7-8% return consistently.

@ bro wongmunkeong,

as i fully agree with u. bonds are steady n slow, suitable for conservatives and for those who like to balance their portfolio

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 24 2011, 09:46 AM)
This is the ONE BIG problem i have with PM agents, they don recommend bond BECAUSE they can't get commission from it. SIMPLE.
Being a agent urself, i fail to see how you comprehend the whole understanding of fundamental financial planning.  doh.gif
I think there was a study done before, comparing a 10-15yr of an individual investing in equities vs bond, and in the end, returns are somewhat similiar  whistling.gif
AND also, dividend funds are not good, it's merely passing the income from right to left hand WITH tax incurred
check out funds like PBOND, PBIBF , u'll be suprised on the returns
Even then a better than average bond like PBFI is having 7-8% return consistently.

@ bro wongmunkeong,

as i fully agree with u. bonds are steady n slow, suitable for conservatives and for those who like to balance their portfolio
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bro, our frend asking "I'm looking for steady dividends and capital growth (in that order). what would you recommend?"

So, dividned funds ok-lah.....

if he ask steady income with lower risk..... go for bond-lah.


normaly i recommend BOND for those 50 yrs and above.

40 - 50 yrs - moderate
below 40 - aggessive.

its a age VS risk factor.

if a 30 yrs old, but conservative... than BOND for him.

ya, its better to hv BOND in a portfolio.


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 24 2011, 08:18 AM)

Added on August 24, 2011, 9:32 amNote for those that are interested in being their own agent:
PM just sent out a memo for renewal of UTC agent fees and stuff. One of their requirements is $30K of personal sales by Nov 2011.

Just thought U may be interested to know the "minimum sales"
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Hah? Got sales target one ah. 30k seems a bit hard to achieve if i just want to invest thru myself sweat.gif
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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 24 2011, 01:01 PM)
Hah? Got sales target one ah. 30k seems a bit hard to achieve if i just want to invest thru myself sweat.gif
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Aiya - they put there only mar BUT enforcement may be another thing tongue.gif

Anyways, phew - luckily my family & personal investments can hit this minimum. Phew dodged THAT bullet sweat.gif

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Thanks for your reply.
The links provided is good, but what I'm looking for is something similar to the Morningstar Stylebox. Sadly, the stylebox from Morningstar website mostly doesn't have this information of PM funds.
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Hah? Got sales target one ah. 30k seems a bit hard to achieve if i just want to invest thru myself sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 24 2011, 01:13 PM)
Aiya - they put there only mar BUT enforcement may be another thing tongue.gif

Anyways, phew - luckily my family & personal investments can hit this minimum. Phew dodged THAT bullet  sweat.gif
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I'm gona ask my baba mama gogo didi meimei gugu susu to help me laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 24 2011, 01:13 PM)
Aiya - they put there only mar BUT enforcement may be another thing tongue.gif

Anyways, phew - luckily my family & personal investments can hit this minimum. Phew dodged THAT bullet  sweat.gif
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Thanks Wong for the service charge spreadsheet, I'm downloader no. 11.

I know for sometime already the requirement for 30K,
seem a bit high for me and family doh.gif
and lazy to convince friend and people around me laugh.gif
not agent material lor....
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Just want to ask a question, the fund price we always look at the internet is yesterday price, if we buy today, which price do we buy, today (which havent announce) or yesterday?
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 24 2011, 09:46 AM)
check out funds like PBOND, PBIBF , u'll be suprised on the returns
Even then a better than average bond like PBFI is having 7-8% return consistently.

@ bro wongmunkeong,

as i fully agree with u. bonds are steady n slow, suitable for conservatives and for those who like to balance their portfolio
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PBond, PBIBF 3 years annualised return is better than ASB.
PBFI's 3 years annualised return also surpassing ASW, ASM, AS1M. Those who are not able to invest in PNB's fixed price fund, may take this as an alternative.


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Sources: Morningstar.com

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Just want to ask a question, the fund price we always look at the internet is yesterday price, if we buy today, which price do we buy, today (which havent announce) or yesterday?
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If you buy today, the price is today's price. (which is announced on the next working day)

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QUOTE(holybo @ Aug 24 2011, 10:29 PM)
Just want to ask a question, the fund price we always look at the internet is yesterday price, if we buy today, which price do we buy, today (which havent announce) or yesterday?
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You buy today, means buying yesterday closing price.
You buy tomorrow, means buying today closing price
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 24 2011, 09:19 PM)
Thanks Wong for the service charge spreadsheet, I'm downloader no. 11.

I know for sometime already the requirement for 30K,
seem a bit high for me and family  doh.gif
and lazy to convince friend and people around me  laugh.gif
not agent material lor....
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Then your other option is to get chummy with an agent and negotiate tongue.gif - like offer to DIY most of the stuff, and have some er.. cheaper charges personally from your agent lor

It's a biz to the agent - in biz, anythings negotiable as long as there's win-win situation, right or right? brows.gif

BTW, U'd be surprise that U may not need to convince anyone.
As U do it and see results and share your methodologies as U care & want your close friends/relatives to prosper as well, U will somehow get "offers". I'm a typical nerd / IT guy lar - not marketing/sales fler. Just do it right and share not for $ but as an option to enable your close friends/relatives to build something for their/their loved ones' future.

The ONLY hiccup is that some may not be able to "handle" the losses when a downturn happens (not IF but WHEN it happens). Thus, education & expectations management required by drawing out agreed investment programs/approaches and followed.

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 25 2011, 12:18 AM)
You buy today, means buying yesterday closing price.
You buy tomorrow, means buying today closing price
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:43 PM)
PBond, PBIBF 3 years annualised return is better than ASB.
PBFI's 3 years annualised return also surpassing ASW, ASM, AS1M. Those who are not able to invest in PNB's fixed price fund, may take this as an alternative.


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I thought Public Islamic Bond Fund is already closed?
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QUOTE(holybo @ Aug 24 2011, 10:29 PM)
Just want to ask a question, the fund price we always look at the internet is yesterday price, if we buy today, which price do we buy, today (which havent announce) or yesterday?
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QUOTE(lytros @ Aug 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
If you buy today, the price is today's price. (which is announced on the next working day)
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 25 2011, 12:18 AM)
You buy today, means buying yesterday closing price.
You buy tomorrow, means buying today closing price
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It seem to me that the answer for this question is contradict (or my understanding just wrong)

From my experience top up a bit the couple of weeks, I need to agree with lytros answer.
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How to know which PUBLIC Bond OR PUBLIC EQUITY FUND is still OPEN ?


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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Aug 25 2011, 04:51 PM)
How to know which PUBLIC  Bond   OR PUBLIC EQUITY FUND is still OPEN ?
Thanks  notworthy.gif
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it is published in the public mutual website, under "news and updates"


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yaya it's closed, he's just showing you the potential of good bonds' return
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thanks for the explanation. Besides the funds that closed. The next best fund that still open with track record is PBFIxed income fund. The portfolios are quite healthy


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 25 2011, 06:48 AM)
Then your other option is to get chummy with an agent and negotiate tongue.gif - like offer to DIY most of the stuff, and have some er.. cheaper charges personally from your agent lor

It's a biz to the agent - in biz, anythings negotiable as long as there's win-win situation, right or right?  brows.gif

BTW, U'd be surprise that U may not need to convince anyone.
As U do it and see results and share your methodologies as U care & want your close friends/relatives to prosper as well, U will somehow get "offers". I'm a typical nerd / IT guy lar - not marketing/sales fler. Just do it right and share not for $ but as an option to enable your close friends/relatives to build something for their/their loved ones' future.

The ONLY hiccup is that some may not be able to "handle" the losses when a downturn happens (not IF but WHEN it happens). Thus, education & expectations management required by drawing out agreed investment programs/approaches and followed.
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Kinda should try first, could have a good result.
Strong encouragement there...
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 25 2011, 04:36 PM)
It seem to me that the answer for this question is contradict (or my understanding just wrong)

From my experience top up a bit the couple of weeks, I need to agree with lytros answer.
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Heheh - bro Lytros is spot on: "If you buy today, the price is today's price. (which is announced on the next working day)"
It's always based on the EOD (End Of Day) price of the transaction date, as long as one transacts BEFORE or BY 4pm (specific time - anyone?)
EOD price is shown the next day (for local focused funds) or next 2 to 3 days (for foreign focused funds).

Bro BoneScythe - still smoking Aji ar tongue.gif
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Resolutions Passed at the Unitholders’ Meetings of Public Global Balanced
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Unitholders voted to pass the proposed Resolutions to modify the investment
objective, investment policy, investment strategy, benchmark and fund name of
Public Global Balanced Fund (PGBF), Public Islamic Asia Balanced Fund (PIABF)
and Public Islamic Balanced Fund (PIBF) in three separate unitholders' meetings
held on 24 August 2011 at 16th Floor, Bangunan Public Bank.

The Manager will proceed to register the Supplemental Deed and respective
Supplemental Prospectuses to effect the changes. Upon registration of the
Supplemental Deed and Supplemental Prospectuses, PGBF will be renamed as
Public Tactical Allocation Fund; PIABF will become Public Islamic Asia Tactical
Allocation Fund and PIBF will become Public Islamic Mixed Asset Fund
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Public Tactical Allocation Fund, Public Islamic Asia Tactical Allocation Fund and
Public Islamic Mixed Asset Fund will be open for cash sales sometime in October
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Meanwhile, the Manager will waive all switching fees for switching transactions out
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For further enquiries, please call our Customer Service Hotline at 03-6207 5000

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Accordingly, please be advised that our cut-off time for submissions of sales,
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When a fund is closed, we can't buy the fund anymore (till it open again), but we can sell/switch them, right? Unlike the stock market... stock 'suspend', cannot trade/buy/sell. Am I right?

Thanks.
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Hi all,

When a fund is closed, we can't buy the fund anymore (till it open again), but we can sell/switch them, right? Unlike the stock market... stock 'suspend', cannot trade/buy/sell. Am I right?

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yes, can sell cannot buy
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if someone sells does that mean i can buy even if the fund is closed?
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if someone sells does that mean i can buy even if the fund is closed?
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If the fund is closed, means you cannot buy anymore, unless u sign the direct debit b4 the fund closed.
ASW/AS1M is different, they are fully subsribed not closed, fully subsribed means when someone sell, and have available unit then u can buy
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 26 2011, 02:09 AM)
If the fund is closed, means you cannot buy anymore, unless u sign the direct debit b4 the fund closed.
ASW/AS1M is different, they are fully subsribed not closed, fully subsribed means when someone sell, and have available unit then u can buy
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Hehheh - just to share a fluke finding:
i stupidly kept buying PSMALLCAP via PBank's ONLINE Investment menu AFTER it closed last year.
Managed to get several months' transactions done
THEN suddenly bounce (ie. PBank online went through but several days later got reversal)
then and only then i found out PSMALLCAP was "closed" since a few months ago

Bottomline - until PB & PM online transaction systems' validations are tightened-up, U may try your luck tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 26 2011, 08:09 AM)
Hehheh - just to share a fluke finding:
i stupidly kept buying PSMALLCAP via PBank's ONLINE Investment menu AFTER it closed last year.
Managed to get several months' transactions done
THEN suddenly bounce (ie. PBank online went through but several days later got reversal)
then and only then i found out PSMALLCAP was "closed" since a few months ago

Bottomline - until PB & PM online transaction systems' validations are tightened-up, U may try your luck tongue.gif
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But i thought if using DDI, can kept buying the fund eventhought it's closed already? Or my PM consultant lie to me?

Btw, can all the PM funds be bought using DDI? Coz i saw some fund like PISEF don't allowed for regular investment... Regular investment = DDI, rite?

Which aggresive PM fund is recommended beside P SMALLCAP for long term capital growth?
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 26 2011, 08:36 AM)
But i thought if using DDI, can kept buying the fund eventhought it's closed already? Or my PM consultant lie to me?

Btw, can all the PM funds be bought using DDI? Coz i saw some fund like PISEF don't allowed for regular investment... Regular investment = DDI, rite?

Which aggresive PM fund is recommended beside P SMALLCAP for long term capital growth?
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I'm NOT doing DDI lar bro.
DDI amount CAN go through even though "closed"

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 26 2011, 08:36 AM)
But i thought if using DDI, can kept buying the fund eventhought it's closed already? Or my PM consultant lie to me?

Btw, can all the PM funds be bought using DDI? Coz i saw some fund like PISEF don't allowed for regular investment... Regular investment = DDI, rite?

Which aggresive PM fund is recommended beside P SMALLCAP for long term capital growth?
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the fund will closed with some units allocates for DDI for existing investors. so, u stil can do DDI since units available for DDI.
if all the units subcribed, so, DDI also will X.


PISEF don't allowed for regular investment...no such thing. who told u?

capital growth fund - those fund has investment objective on capital growht in long term. PAGF, PEF, PIOF, PISEF,......... u can refer to prospectus for those funds............
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 26 2011, 09:21 AM)
the fund will closed with some units allocates for DDI for existing investors. so, u stil can do DDI since units available for DDI.
if all the units subcribed, so, DDI also will X.
PISEF don't allowed for regular investment...no such thing. who told u?

capital growth fund - those fund has investment objective on capital growht in long term. PAGF, PEF, PIOF, PISEF,......... u can refer to prospectus for those funds............
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from the link below
LINK Try too select PISEF in the comparison...

How about PISSF & P SMALLCAP? Performance not as good with the funds that u mentioned above?

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 26 2011, 12:04 PM)
from the link below
LINK Try too select PISEF in the comparison...

How about PISSF & P SMALLCAP? Performance not as good with the funds that u mentioned above?
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PISEF said N/A = not applicabe.

it not says NO.

still can do DDI with min rm100.

its better u compare where the funds has same time frame. also need to take concideration on asset allocations/sectors (locals & foregin.)

diff asset allocations/sectors will result diff performance over the time.

if fund A and Fund B has same objective, same asset allocations/sectors, same time frame. u can c whive one is better.

if A and B diff, so the performace also diff. maybe A perform beter 3yrs back and B performing better now. its depends. n cannot confirm.
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Public Mutual SWITCHING FEES at http://www.pk31-switch.blogspot.com
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 26 2011, 08:36 AM)
Btw, can all the PM funds be bought using DDI? Coz i saw some fund like PISEF don't allowed for regular investment... Regular investment = DDI, rite?
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I don't think RI is same with SI (DDI) Standing Instruction.
I know the meaning of II and AI, but I still don't know how one investment been callled Regular Investment (RI)
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I don't think RI is same with SI (DDI) Standing Instruction.
I know the meaning of II and AI, but I still don't know how one investment been callled Regular Investment (RI)
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RI = any time u top up. min is rm100.

u can invest regularly, daily,weekly,montly, etc.....
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any news psmallcap giving out dividend?
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any news psmallcap giving out dividend?
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It's a capital growth fund, so income distribution is not part of its objectives.
However, fund managers still tend to do give out dividend anyway due to investor's expectations. sweat.gif

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It's a capital growth fund, so income distribution is not part of its objectives.
However, fund managers still tend to do give out dividend anyway due to investor's expectations.  sweat.gif
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sometime investors not aware abt the policy, base on past performance ( better dividedns payout) without knowing abt policy invvestors choose funds wrongly.

if anyone wants steady income on dividedns, must choose annual income policy. no matter market up or down, dividedns will be there.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 27 2011, 09:48 AM)
any news psmallcap giving out dividend?
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I have a 80% firm news on that PSMALLCAP is giving out dividend. But whether it is gonna remained the same as previous dividend, that remained a question to me.
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im currently holding some eq n cap growth funds.. looking to having some bond funds..

any nice good bond funds that i can invest in.. since the best one's are closed already...
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 27 2011, 12:58 PM)
im currently holding some eq n cap growth funds.. looking to having some bond funds..

any nice good bond funds that i can invest in.. since the best one's are closed already...
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PB Fixed Income Fund - with good 5 years record
Public Strategic Bond Fund - launched less than a year, but prpgress well so far.


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may i know if i wanna top up my PB fund with cheque, i need to payable to public bank bhd or public mutual bhd?
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may i know if i wanna top up my PB fund with cheque, i need to payable to public bank bhd or public mutual bhd?
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public mutual berhad. its better with ur fund acc no.
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PB Fixed Income Fund - with good 5 years record
Public Strategic Bond Fund - launched less than a year, but prpgress well so far.

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thanks will look into those funds tongue.gif

the latest qtrly report out ??
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the latest qtrly report out ??
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anybody using publicmutualonline ?

can you topup your investment from pubmutoniine , website ?

like paying bills using credit card or direct transfer from mb2u account

or have to have a public bank saving account with online facilities to transfer/top up ?
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 27 2011, 04:38 PM)
anybody using publicmutualonline ?

can you topup your investment from pubmutoniine , website ?

like paying bills using credit card or direct transfer from mb2u account

or have to have a public bank saving account with online facilities to transfer/top up ?
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Yes, U can "top up" via pubmut's online system

and yes, U can also DIY on PBBank's online system



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Yes, U can "top up" via pubmut's online system

and yes, U can also DIY on PBBank's online system
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what method are available for "payment" for the topup from publicmutual online ?

i dont have PBbank account

thats why i want to know what method of payment they accept for topup and open new account(other funds)

cause if its like paying bill can transfer from credit card or other bank account like direct debit(like how u pay airasia tix using mb2u)

then i want to consider applying for it.. else no point.. can help me on this ?
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what method are available for "payment" for the topup from publicmutual online ?

i dont have PBbank account

thats why i want to know what method of payment they accept for topup and open new account(other funds)

cause if its like paying bill can transfer from credit card or other bank account like direct debit(like how u pay airasia tix using mb2u)

then i want to consider applying for it.. else no point.. can help me on this ?
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go to PMO, go to additional investment, next,next,until u c which bank tranfrerd from. finished it.

u can also setup DDI.

just apply PMO, its free, maybe usefull to c ur stsment/repurchase/switch.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 27 2011, 05:56 PM)
go to PMO, go to additional investment, next,next,until u c which bank tranfrerd from. finished it.

u can also setup DDI.

just apply PMO, its free, maybe usefull to c ur stsment/repurchase/switch.
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how about if want to invest in new fund? can do it thru PMO or still need to go thru my PM consultant?
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how about if want to invest in new fund? can do it thru PMO or still need to go thru my PM consultant?
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I have a 80% firm news on that PSMALLCAP is giving out dividend. But whether it is gonna remained the same as previous dividend, that remained a question to me.
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The total value before distribution, and after distribution is the same.

So why is it a question whether the distribution is more or less than previous distribution, when it absolutely makes no difference?

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RI = any time u top up. min is rm100.

u can invest regularly, daily,weekly,montly, etc.....
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what method are available for "payment" for the topup from publicmutual online ?

i dont have PBbank account

thats why i want to know what method of payment they accept for topup and open new account(other funds)

cause if its like paying bill can transfer from credit card or other bank account like direct debit(like how u pay airasia tix using mb2u)

then i want to consider applying for it.. else no point.. can help me on this ?
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Other than public bank, other option of payment for those bank that offer FPX payment. I dont think you can pay by credit card

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Just want to know... my consultant mentioned that if i wanna invest thru DDI, i am required to sign an agreement or somesort like that... is it necessary?

If i top up my fund thru PMO, do my consultant still received their commission?
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Just want to know... my consultant mentioned that if i wanna invest thru DDI, i am required to sign an agreement or somesort like that... is it necessary?

If i top up my fund thru PMO, do my consultant still received their commission?
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As part of the process to engage direct debit investment (DDI), investors will need to sign a "Standing Instruction" or "SI" either via Public Bank or Maybank account. Since Public Mutual offers non-contractual investment scheme, which means you are not obligated to invest consistently even after signing the SI. Rest assure there will be no penalty in case of any default in regular investment.

If you were to sign a SI to your existing unit trust fund account, irregarless where or who you have signed the SI with, the service charge of 5.50% still applies, and the unit trust fund corresponding unit trust consultant (UTC) will still enjoy their commission.

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Anyone have opinions regarding PUBLIC SINGAPORE EQUITY FUND? I'm looking to buy this fund.
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 28 2011, 12:37 PM)
Just want to know... my consultant mentioned that if i wanna invest thru DDI, i am required to sign an agreement or somesort like that... is it necessary?

If i top up my fund thru PMO, do my consultant still received their commission?
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u r just giving standing intrusction to deduct montly from ur saving acc to public mutual. well u can stop half without any issue.

ya, ur agents wiil enjoy the commission.
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Anyone have opinions regarding PUBLIC SINGAPORE EQUITY FUND? I'm looking to buy this fund.
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PM me if u interested.


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Any opinions on PB Fixed Income Fund and China Asean Equity Fund? I'm looking at two different funds to diversify.
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The total value before distribution, and after distribution is the same.

So why is it a question whether the distribution is more or less than previous distribution, when it absolutely makes no difference?
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It should NOT be a question if you are reinvesting it, but if you are opting for payout, that's something to think about.
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Any opinions on PB Fixed Income Fund and China Asean Equity Fund? I'm looking at two different funds to diversify.
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again, they r both diff class of funds. bond n equity, and investment region
if ur conservative n looking for a slow n steady growth, bond fund (PBFI) suits u well, else any other equity funds. high risk, high gain/lost

Personally, for equities, i'll just stick to local based funds
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Just to double confirm, banks that do not charge service fee on DDI are BSN and Public Bank?
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Balanced funds - http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...utual3/Article/
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Public Mutual’s RM118m distribution for 5 funds

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It said on Monday, Aug 29 the gross distribution for the Public SmallCap Fund was 12 sen per unit while for the PB Islamic Equity Fund it was 2.0 sen.

For the PB China Australia Equity Fund, it was 2.50 sen, Public Indonesia Select Fund (1.5 sen) and PB Indonesia Balanced Fund (1.50 sen).


URL: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/19...or-5-funds.html

Distribution for PSMALLCAP is 12cents.

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Public Mutual’s RM118m distribution for 5 funds
URL: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/19...or-5-funds.html

Distribution for PSMALLCAP is 12cents.
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wow.......12cents.

for those has 1 mil units = rm0.12 x 1,000,000 = RM120,000.
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maybe this has been discussed before...
but from what i observed personally...once the distribution is announced.... the price per unit for the fund will drop as well...eventually...you don't really get any 'dividends'....merely you get more units with equivalent price, NAV?

QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 29 2011, 06:13 PM)
wow.......12cents.

for those has 1 mil units = rm0.12 x 1,000,000 = RM120,000.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Aug 29 2011, 08:11 PM)
maybe this has been discussed before...
but from what i observed personally...once the distribution is announced.... the price per unit for the fund will drop as well...eventually...you don't really get any 'dividends'....merely you get more units with equivalent price, NAV?
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ya..taht is the concept of unit trust. the units remain same or increase/reinvest the units.

distribution is actualy from own pocket. from left handover th right hand.
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ya..taht is the concept of unit trust. the units remain same or increase/reinvest the units.

distribution is actualy from own pocket. from left handover th right hand.
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ya..taht is the concept of unit trust. the units remain same or increase/reinvest the units.

distribution is actualy from own pocket. from left handover th right hand.
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For a minute, I thought you bought that marketing trick, haha...

That is actually the concept of a clever marketing gimmick. It makes the units look "cheap", and make people think they are getting a "big payout".

It even fools people who are "opting for payout, that's something to think about" to think about things that are irrelevant. If you want a payout, just re-invest and withdraw the number of units you want, whenever you want. You have full control, no need to waste time thinking about things which are a waste of time.
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If I switch my PSDF (Select dividend fund) to Small Cap ,

1) RM 25 switching fee ?

2) will I be impose 5.5% service charge ?

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Aug 29 2011, 10:02 PM)
If I switch my PSDF (Select dividend fund) to  Small Cap ,

1) RM 25 switching fee ?

2) will I be impose 5.5% service charge ?

Thanks notworthy.gif
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1. YES
2. NO since the units in PSDF have been charged 5.5% before and it's called loaded units.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 29 2011, 08:56 PM)
For a minute, I thought you bought that marketing trick, haha...

That is actually the concept of a clever marketing gimmick. It makes the units look "cheap", and make people think they are getting a "big payout".

It even fools people who are "opting for payout, that's something to think about" to think about things that are irrelevant. If you want a payout, just re-invest and withdraw the number of units you want, whenever you want. You have full control, no need to waste time thinking about things which are a waste of time.
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not every investors go for capital grow. some realy takes high risk on growth fund and go for divideds as well.

1 MIL units is not neccesary from 1 time lump sump inv. it can be from regular and top up the dividedns for a few yrrs....... long term-mah.

1. if BOND decalre dividedns evry yrs..... do BOND funds escape from management/trustee/tax?
2. if smallcap is incedental policy, why FM declare the dividedns?
3. why not FM just let the money grow without any dividedns poyout?
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If I switch my PSDF (Select dividend fund) to  Small Cap ,

1) RM 25 switching fee ?

2) will I be impose 5.5% service charge ?

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Cannot switch.

must use cash
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 29 2011, 06:13 PM)
wow.......12cents.

for those has 1 mil units = rm0.12 x 1,000,000 = RM120,000.
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Rm120,000 will be taxed...
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I bought PDSF (select dividend fund) at average cost of RM 0.32 few months back , now ITS RM 0.26XX.
Yesterday, I invest some $$ into Public stregic bond fund.

1) Is PDSF a good fund ? What public mutual fund / NOT public mutual fund u recommended ?

2) My agent tell me to pump more $$ in PDSF ? but, I m quite reluctant to do so since it is already loss...

3) what should I do on this fund ? Hold on ? Invest more ?

4) Is it possible to save on the 5.5% service charge or discounted ? And its annual fees.


Thanks

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Rm120,000 will be taxed...
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Rubbing it in huh? tongue.gif

BTW, bro - technically it's taxed twice right?(on whatever taxable) right?
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2nd time: PubMu --> SmallCap investor: 25%
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Aug 30 2011, 02:00 PM)
I bought PDSF (select dividend fund) at average cost of RM 0.32 few months back , now ITS RM 0.26XX.
Yesterday, I invest some $$ into Public stregic bond fund.

1) Is this a good fund ? What public mutual fund / NOT public mutual fund u recommended ?

2) My agent tell me to pump more $$ in PDSF ? but, I m quite reluctant to do so since it is already loss...

3) what should I do on this fund ? Hold on ? Invest more ?

4) Is it possible to save on the 5.5% service charge or discounted ? And its annual fees.
Thanks
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1) it is a bond fund, not the same with PSDF you invested.

2) Agent, majority I encountered generally tell client to pump more money disregard what kind of situation you are facing one. whistling.gif
It is your money, you decide your own, and listen to your own.
Fund price fluctuating is quite norm due to market condition.

3) Dividend fund generally is quite steady and performing well over the long term.
Whether hold, or invest more, this kind of question only yourself can answer.
Investment is all about one's wilingness to take the risk.

4) For other fund run by other fund house, it is possible to get 2.5% service charge if sum is large enough whereby some broker, banks can give such a discount, but for PM fund, I am not sure it can or not.
Annual fee is fixed, nothing you can do.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 30 2011, 02:01 PM)
Rubbing it in huh?  tongue.gif

BTW, bro - technically it's taxed twice right?(on whatever taxable) right?
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1st time: Companies payout dividends to stock holders ---> PubMut: 25%
2nd time: PubMu --> SmallCap investor: 25%
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No imputation system?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 30 2011, 02:01 PM)
Rubbing it in huh?  tongue.gif

BTW, bro - technically it's taxed twice right?(on whatever taxable) right?
ie.
1st time: Companies payout dividends to stock holders ---> PubMut: 25%
2nd time: PubMu --> SmallCap investor: 25%
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No, it is not taxed twice.
It is imputation.



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No, it is not taxed twice.
It is imputation.
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Gracias Monsta2011 & Cherroy notworthy.gif

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Rm120,000 will be taxed...
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Aug 30 2011, 02:00 PM)
I bought PDSF (select dividend fund) at average cost of RM 0.32 few months back , now ITS RM 0.26XX.
Yesterday, I invest some $$ into Public stregic bond fund.

1) Is PDSF a good fund ? What public mutual fund / NOT public mutual fund u recommended ?

2) My agent tell me to pump more $$ in PDSF ? but, I m quite reluctant to do so since it is already loss...

3) what should I do on this fund ? Hold on ? Invest more ?

4) Is it possible to save on the 5.5% service charge or discounted ? And its annual fees.
Thanks
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moon yuen,

i think u invst less than 1 yr.

dont panic....its normal the value drop since the unit price drop. what u expect during market down trend and ur fund perform opposite?

u must give some time to the fund to perform for ur money.

u should analize the fund before enter. and study abt the risk as well.

u can top up it for the cheap price. when u top up for cheaper price, ur average price will less than ur original price rm0.32.

u can negotiate with ur agent/comapny abt SC. NO way to reduce the Annual fees.

as a agent we can guide u, but u hv to decide what u hv to do. its ur money.

PSDF is actualy good dividedns fund for me, since im still holding it. bougth it for rm0.31.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 29 2011, 08:56 PM)
For a minute, I thought you bought that marketing trick, haha...

That is actually the concept of a clever marketing gimmick. It makes the units look "cheap", and make people think they are getting a "big payout".

It even fools people who are "opting for payout, that's something to think about" to think about things that are irrelevant. If you want a payout, just re-invest and withdraw the number of units you want, whenever you want. You have full control, no need to waste time thinking about things which are a waste of time.
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howszat, I would like to comment on your last sentence. If you reinvest and withdraw the number of units after the distribution, you don't lose it's value, but you are losing the MQGP. You lose the status (if you're a Gold Member) in a way.
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No, it is not taxed twice.
It is imputation.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Aug 30 2011, 10:25 PM)
howszat, I would like to comment on your last sentence. If you reinvest and withdraw the number of units after the distribution, you don't lose it's value, but you are losing the MQGP. You lose the status (if you're a Gold Member) in a way.
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what do u meant by imputation?
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Hmm it's like the shareholders are given tax credit (imputation credit) for the tax paid by the company to eliminate double taxation. But apparently new companies commencing their operations in YA08 will use the single tier dividend system where tax paid by the company is the final tax (shareholders dont need to pay tax on the dividends they receive). Companies operating before YA2008 will have until the end of 2013 to fully transit to Single Tier system.
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actually do we really need to take a look on distribution? cause the distribution is given from our share also?
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actually do we really need to take a look on distribution? cause the distribution is given from our share also?
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Capital gain is more preferable for investors who look for high return.

But certain investors preferable fixed and stable return.
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Capital gain is more preferable for investors who look for high return.

But certain investors preferable fixed and stable return.
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i heard from my friend that if the fund distribute 5sens, then the fund price will drop 5sens as well. it seem confusing whether do we really earn on the distribution or not
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smallcap distribute 12 sen

so it price drop 12 sen
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 07:10 PM)
i heard from my friend that if the fund distribute 5sens, then the fund price will drop 5sens as well. it seem confusing whether do we really earn on the distribution or not
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If you opt for reinvest, the distribution will be translated into equivalent number of units. At the end of the day, your fund value remains the same.

The drop in NAV after distribution is similar to general stocks/shares concept. When a particular stock declares interim/final dividend, the share price will be adjusted accordingly.

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I had done some calculation regarding the distribution. correct me if im wrong.

Assume the investment amount is RM1000 (after minus the SC).

if the unit price is 0.6453, then the units i get is 1000/0.6453=1549.667

after a year, the unit price rise to 0.7439 then the value i have is RM1152.797. This is capital gain.

Then they announce 9 sens distribution, then the unit price drop to 0.7439-0.09=0.6539. the distribution i get is 1549.667units *0.09 = RM139.47.

Assume the closing price for the next day is 0.6539 (no movement) also.

the units i get from distribution is RM139.47/0.6539 = 213.2895 units, the total units i have is 213.2895 + 1549.667 = 1762.956 units

Then the total units i have is 1762.956 * 0.6539 = RM1152.797 also.

What i gain is more units but the value also same.

The question is why they want to do distribution? since if the next day the unit price no movement, our value before and after the distribution still same
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 1 2011, 08:12 PM)
The drop in NAV after distribution is similar to general stocks/shares concept. When a particular stock declares interim/final dividend, the share price will be adjusted accordingly.
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Now, that is wrong.

There is some rise before the dividends because speculators bid up the price, and some drop after because they decided to "goreng" something else, but is NOT the same as Fund distributions where it is guaranteed to make no difference to the total value of your funds.

There are some minor effects due to tax, and due to losing your MGQP if you withdraw units rather than distribution, but frankly if you don't have enough money to qualify for MGQP, don't waste time thinking that you do.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 1 2011, 09:28 PM)
Now, that is wrong.

There is some rise before the dividends because speculators bid up the price, and some drop after because they decided to "goreng" something else, but is NOT the same as Fund distributions where it is guaranteed to make no difference to the total value of your funds.

There are some minor effects due to tax, and due to losing your MGQP if you withdraw units rather than distribution, but frankly if you don't have enough money to qualify for MGQP, don't waste time thinking that you do.
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if we read the report, we should read the return instead of the distribution or distribution yield?
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 09:41 PM)
if we read the report, we should read the return instead of the distribution or distribution yield?
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For returns, the only thing you should read is the performance graph which adjusts for distributions, and gives you the units x NAV, ie total returns:

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx

This gives you the real return on your total RM investment.

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i heard small cap reopen. wanna buy some smallcap =)
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i heard small cap reopen. wanna buy some smallcap =)
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SMALLCAP may have been overrated.

It is (minus)1.61% at the moment for 1-year. Vs say Public Focus Select Fund which (plus)13.63 for 1-year.

Your choice.
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monday i plan to invest in PBGF, but it has closed. the officer introduced me to buy pb china asean equity fund but i hv nt so high confident in oversea fund or shud i invet in pb islamic equity fund?

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How do we judge a mutual fund performance is doing well or not. Example can we say that we bough a mutual fund at price NAV RM 0.25 and after many years the current NAV is 0.16 so the performance of the fund is so so.....

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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 1 2011, 10:51 PM)
SMALLCAP may have been overrated.

It is (minus)1.61% at the moment for 1-year. Vs say Public Focus Select Fund which (plus)13.63 for 1-year.

Your choice.
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Isn't it supposed to be -2.93% at the moment? Not count from the financial year end to check the actual performance?
PFSF financial year end on 31 Dec.
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QUOTE(jingle1103 @ Sep 1 2011, 11:00 PM)
monday i plan to invest in PBGF, but it has closed. the officer introduced me to buy pb china asean equity fund but i hv nt so high confident in oversea fund or shud i invet in pb islamic equity fund?
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You may want to consider putting *some* (and I'm not an agent) into PBCAEF. It has dropped drastically, and that is usually a good time to go in *if* you think China/Asean has potential in the long term.


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Isn't it supposed to be -2.93% at the moment? Not count from the financial year end to check the actual performance?
PFSF financial year end on 31 Dec.
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The PM chart is what I quoted, but it's near enough. (minus) we agree. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(jingle1103 @ Sep 1 2011, 11:00 PM)
monday i plan to invest in PBGF, but it has closed. the officer introduced me to buy pb china asean equity fund but i hv nt so high confident in oversea fund or shud i invet in pb islamic equity fund?
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Volatile moment, still will intro u to oversea equities fund? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Sep 1 2011, 11:06 PM)
How do we judge a mutual fund performance is doing well or not.  Example can we say that we bough a mutual fund at price NAV RM 0.25 and after many years the current NAV is 0.16 so the performance of the fund is so so.....
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And that is the problem with NAV and those *dang* distributions. You cannot just go by NAV alone. See my previous post about looking at the charts instead.

If something whose real value goes from 0.25 to 0.16, my language to describe it would get me banned from this forum. biggrin.gif


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Volatile moment, still will intro u to oversea equities fund? hmm.gif
Good agent smile.gif
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What do you mean? What has overseas got to do with whether equities is more or less volatile? You mean local equities are less volatile? Have you seen SMALLCAP's performance?

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Volatile moment, still will intro u to oversea equities fund? hmm.gif
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thats mean we should keep our money in MM or bond first to wait for solid good news?
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 11:59 PM)
thats mean we should keep our money in MM or bond first to wait for solid good news?
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Take a look at the 10yrs, 5yrs, 3yrs and 1yr performances, ending at 29th Aug 2011, of PB's & PM's funds - U may want to take a peek before planning and executing.Or U can refer to them charts as well tongue.gif

FYI - these data are direct from PM's FP Advisor system, i've just formatted it for ease of reading.

PS: Oops - my bad, forgot to mention it's in XLS / Excel format once U unzip it. Thus, those without MSOffice, OpenOffice, etc. - sorry yar

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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 06:43 PM)
actually do we really need to take a look on distribution? cause the distribution is given from our share also?
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the investors distribution eitehr to take on not to take is important for choosing the funds.

if investor want to take the ditribution, so, go to those funds has annual income disribution.
if not, go to incidental distribuiton, whre the disribution if any only.

UNIT TRSUT IS PROFIT/LOSS SHARING INVESTMENT. THE DISRIBUTION IS FROM PROFIT/LOSS OF INVESTMENT NOT THE UT COMPANY PAY SEPERATLY LIKE FD.

PLS GO TO HOW TO CALCULATE UNIT TRUST IN MY SIGANATURE.
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 07:10 PM)
i heard from my friend that if the fund distribute 5sens, then the fund price will drop 5sens as well. it seem confusing whether do we really earn on the distribution or not
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not need to confuse,

as expalin in 'how to calculate unit trsut' in my signature, the disribution is from ur own money. and it will be reduce after the ditribution.

if 5 cents declared, so 5 cents will be reduce from the unit price because 5 cents already given/taken, but the total units remain same.

if the disribution re-invest back. u will get the equivalent units for 5 cents and will be top up accordingly.
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 08:30 PM)
I had done some calculation regarding the distribution. correct me if im wrong.

Assume the investment amount is RM1000 (after minus the SC).

if the unit price is 0.6453, then the units i get is 1000/0.6453=1549.667

after a year, the unit price rise to 0.7439 then the value i have is RM1152.797. This is capital gain.

Then they announce 9 sens distribution, then the unit price drop to 0.7439-0.09=0.6539. the distribution i get is 1549.667units *0.09 = RM139.47.

Assume the closing price for the next day is 0.6539 (no movement) also.

the units i get from distribution is RM139.47/0.6539 = 213.2895 units, the total units i have is 213.2895 + 1549.667 = 1762.956 units

Then the total units i have is 1762.956 * 0.6539 = RM1152.797 also.

What i gain is more units but the value also same.

The question is why they want to do distribution? since if the next day the unit price no movement, our value before and after the distribution still same
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ya, ur calculation is correct.

to make it simple, distribution if for those need the distribution. if investors dont want the distribution, just re-invest back.
not everybody re-invest back, some still have plan to spend the distribution.




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Just curious, mind to share how much you have invested OR plan to invest in unit trust? There must be a lot of 'Mutual Gold' & ''Mutual Gold Elite' members here smile.gif
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mutual gold member need to invest RM100,000
mutual elite member need to invest RM500,000

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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Sep 1 2011, 11:06 PM)
How do we judge a mutual fund performance is doing well or not.  Example can we say that we bough a mutual fund at price NAV RM 0.25 and after many years the current NAV is 0.16 so the performance of the fund is so so.....
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just calculate the total units u have X latest unit price.
if the price RM0.16 and X with total units give less than invested amount = lossing money.
if higher than invested amount = make profits.
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 11:59 PM)
thats mean we should keep our money in MM or bond first to wait for solid good news?
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Don't go for 1 lump sum lo smile.gif
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Don't go for 1 lump sum lo smile.gif
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hehe - and now to confuse him more,
"Unless the market has crashed, stabilized and you've conviction that it cant get much worse + U want to win-big" lor
Poker's "show hand" methodology (ignoring risk of ruin and stuff like that) tongue.gif

Hheheh - in seriousness though, times like post crashes and when the fall is "straight-lined" (like dead market), that's when risk is low & probability of making $ is high IF U have the guts to fight fear off and buy/hold for 2 years+. Think 1998, 2001, 2008 post crash - go with eyes open though as a 1997-1998 double dip may occur brows.gif

Then again, this is only if one has lump sum to invest lar. Those like me, every month/quarter lor cry.gif
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is there any bond in public mutual series?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2011, 01:08 PM)
hehe - and now to confuse him more,
"Unless the market has crashed, stabilized and you've conviction that it cant get much worse + U want to win-big" lor
Poker's "show hand" methodology (ignoring risk of ruin and stuff like that) tongue.gif

Hheheh - in seriousness though, times like post crashes and when the fall is "straight-lined" (like dead market), that's when risk is low & probability of making $ is high IF U have the guts to fight fear off and buy/hold for 2 years+. Think 1998, 2001, 2008 post crash - go with eyes open though as a 1997-1998 double dip may occur brows.gif

Then again, this is only if one has lump sum to invest lar. Those like me, every month/quarter lor  cry.gif
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Yea. Depends what kind of strategy you want to use. One lump sum at the bottom surely will do better than each month, or each quarter.
Since market is confirm volatile now, why not wait a while? Investment, no need to rush. Timing is important only. Rushing now - Which is a volatile timing = bad timing.

But rushing when market crashed like dead dog, then that is good rush. smile.gif

Rushing when market bull, also good. Make sure you know how to switch out when bull start to slow.

Rushing when bear coming out to play = damn bad strategy.. haha.

Since you are starting to invest in a new fund, initial minimum is 1k, or subject to different individual. Probably, just wait a while only see. Waiting 2-3 mths does not hurt much in my opinion.

Let the market show a strong signal of bear or bull.

How to know.. Keep update, see whether there is a QE3 from US, and how the public take on the QE3 (At least QE3 is something that will definitely affect the market)
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 2 2011, 01:18 PM)
Yea. Depends what kind of strategy you want to use. One lump sum at the bottom surely will do better than each month, or each quarter.
Since market is confirm volatile now, why not wait a while? Investment, no need to rush. Timing is important only. Rushing now - Which is a volatile timing = bad timing.

But rushing when market crashed like dead dog, then that is good rush. smile.gif

Rushing when market bull, also good. Make sure you know how to switch out when bull start to slow.

Rushing when bear coming out to play = damn bad strategy.. haha.

Since you are starting to invest in a new fund, initial minimum is 1k, or subject to different individual. Probably, just wait a while only see. Waiting 2-3 mths does not hurt much in my opinion.

Let the market show a strong signal of bear or bull.

How to know.. Keep update, see whether there is a QE3 from US, and how the public take on the QE3 (At least QE3 is something that will definitely affect the market)
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Seem a lot of choice, don't know how to choose

Public Islamic Dividend
Public Growth Fund
Public Saving Fund
Public Bond
PB Indonesia Balanced Fund
Public Focus Select Fund
PB Fixed Income Fund
Public Strategic Bond Fund

Bond not effected by market right ?

How to choose ? which one can RI, DDI ( SI ) ?
Difference between annual income and Distribution ?
What is YTD ?

I'm new to unit trust. Appreciate for any guide. Thanks.

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QUOTE(wacrop @ Sep 2 2011, 04:38 PM)
Seem a lot of choice, don't know how to choose

Public Islamic Dividend
Public Growth Fund
Public Saving Fund
Public Bond
PB Indonesia Balanced Fund
Public Focus Select Fund
PB Fixed Income Fund
Public Strategic Bond Fund

Bond not effected by market right ?

How to choose ? which one can RI, DDI ( SI ) ?
Difference between annual income and Distribution ?
What is YTD ?

I'm new to unit trust. Appreciate for any guide. Thanks.
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all can do DDI.

BOND less/minimal risk, can be affected too.

distribution = dividedns
annual income = got dividedns every yr, not matter how the market.
incidental income = got dividedns if any.

to choose the best fund for u.
follow this formula;

ur investment objective + ur risk factor = Funds investment objective + fund risk factor

example;
if ur investment objective is to enjoy steady income + capital grow and ur Risk factor is moderate, read/analize/search which fund comes under this catogary.


if ur investment objective is, going for capital grow, not care abt dividedns and u can take high risk, read/analize/search which fund comes under this catogary.






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QUOTE(wacrop @ Sep 2 2011, 04:38 PM)
Seem a lot of choice, don't know how to choose

Public Islamic Dividend
Public Growth Fund
Public Saving Fund
Public Bond
PB Indonesia Balanced Fund
Public Focus Select Fund
PB Fixed Income Fund
Public Strategic Bond Fund

Bond not effected by market right ?

How to choose ? which one can RI, DDI ( SI ) ?
Difference between annual income and Distribution ?
What is YTD ?

I'm new to unit trust. Appreciate for any guide. Thanks.
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When market really crash, bond also will get affected, just not so badly affected only.
Depends what kind of bond also.. If government bond, then ok.. If blue chip bond, still ok (But, please don't think blue chip won't get busted in KLSE, because blue chips can be blue cheats anytime, no joke)

Bond get defaulted, then bond holder can start to suck fingers and toes already.

Bond price fluctuation is lesser compared to equities. So is more to a steady linear growth.
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 1 2011, 07:10 PM)
i heard from my friend that if the fund distribute 5sens, then the fund price will drop 5sens as well. it seem confusing whether do we really earn on the distribution or not
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Just treat the distributions as realised profits rather than bonus/interest income rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 2 2011, 05:01 PM)
When market really crash, bond also will get affected, just not so badly affected only.
Depends what kind of bond also.. If government bond, then ok.. If blue chip bond, still ok (But, please don't think blue chip won't get busted in KLSE, because blue chips can be blue cheats anytime, no joke)

Bond get defaulted, then bond holder can start to suck fingers and toes already.

Bond price fluctuation is lesser compared to equities. So is more to a steady linear growth.
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Bro Boney, Gov can also default yar tongue.gif
Doesnt happen often but happens

rclxms.gif blue cheats stocks & suck fingers & toes - i like those images.

Methinks, if one can visualize the flow of $ into Equities when equities are depressed thus returns (either DY% or capital) is higher & money flowing out of fixed income due to low % returns AND vice-versa, + Asset Allocation idea, these would already be enough as a good basic foundation,
RATHER than
going crazy into severe details of types of equities (smallcap, largecap, midcap, foreign, domestic, sectors, etc.), bonds (short term, long term, gov, municipal, corp AAA, AA, etc.) and properties / REITS (residential, commercial, industrial, plantation, healthcare, edu, location, etc.)
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worrying about mutual funds distributing dividends or not (saving some %).

then again, what do i, a worker ant / lemming, know especially one that looks at seminars / workshops which cost more than $2K to $3K with a weary eye tongue.gif

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Just treat the distributions as realised profits rather than bonus/interest income rolleyes.gif
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That's the problem - distributions are NOT profits either.

Distributions are happily given out even when the fund is making a loss. SMALLCAP for eg, is making a loss, but it is giving out a ~15% distribution.

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QUOTE(wacrop @ Sep 2 2011, 04:38 PM)
Seem a lot of choice, don't know how to choose

Public Islamic Dividend
Public Growth Fund
Public Saving Fund
Public Bond
PB Indonesia Balanced Fund
Public Focus Select Fund
PB Fixed Income Fund
Public Strategic Bond Fund

Bond not effected by market right ?

How to choose ? which one can RI, DDI ( SI ) ?
Difference between annual income and Distribution ?
What is YTD ?

I'm new to unit trust. Appreciate for any guide. Thanks.
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Public Bond closed already.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 2 2011, 07:47 PM)
That's the problem - distributions are NOT profits either.

Distributions are happily given out even when the fund is making a loss. SMALLCAP for eg, is making a loss, but it is giving out a ~15% distribution.
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Ya not really profits but can view them as realised profits or losses ler since they were distributed out of the... erm... gain/loss on NAV. *Maybe i'm wrong here blush.gif *
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 2 2011, 05:01 PM)
When market really crash, bond also will get affected, just not so badly affected only.
Depends what kind of bond also.. If government bond, then ok.. If blue chip bond, still ok (But, please don't think blue chip won't get busted in KLSE, because blue chips can be blue cheats anytime, no joke)

Bond get defaulted, then bond holder can start to suck fingers and toes already.

Bond price fluctuation is lesser compared to equities. So is more to a steady linear growth.
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true. some bonds like PB fixed income can provide you with steady income better than FD i think although in such market.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2011, 05:37 PM)
Bro Boney, Gov can also default yar tongue.gif
Doesnt happen often but happens

rclxms.gif blue cheats stocks & suck fingers & toes - i like those images.

Methinks, if one can visualize the flow of $ into Equities when equities are depressed thus returns (either DY% or capital) is higher & money flowing out of fixed income due to low % returns AND vice-versa, + Asset Allocation idea, these would already be enough as a good basic foundation,
RATHER than
going crazy into severe details of types of equities (smallcap, largecap, midcap, foreign, domestic, sectors, etc.), bonds (short term, long term, gov, municipal, corp AAA, AA, etc.)  and properties / REITS (residential, commercial, industrial, plantation, healthcare, edu, location, etc.)
OR
worrying about mutual funds distributing dividends or not (saving some %).

then again, what do i, a worker ant / lemming, know especially one that looks at seminars / workshops which cost more than $2K to $3K with a weary eye tongue.gif
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Government of course have the rights to default the bond. Who say cannot? Haha. All things are possible. Government also can go busted.. Ngek ngek ngek. But so far, I don't think Malaysia is heading for that yet, at least for the time being.

Yea, blue cheats stock having you sucking fingers and toes, are no joke.
Transmile.. Remember? haha.. Where is it now? Delisted? hmm.gif hmm...

So for investor, invest properly. Don't invest without knowing what you are investing. And don't always listen to agent talks only. Don own analysis, and research. Make sure you know where is your money parking, and know a little about the market.

Sorry ya agent out there.. Haha, but I myself also an agent. Some agent only know how to ask u do invest and invest and invest. Ask him what is DJIA doing, he got no idea what is DJIA. Sigh.. Ask him how is the market doing, he only tell u that DCA good good good, invest invest and invest more. If you want to ask people invest, at least give some comment before asking people to invest la.

Sorry, if I am customer, I will give him some fingers to look at.

And what is worst, one of the example is the person who recruited me in.. Damn!!

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Government of course have the rights to default the bond. Who say cannot? Haha. All things are possible. Government also can go busted.. Ngek ngek ngek. But so far, I don't think Malaysia is heading for that yet, at least for the time being.

Yea, blue cheats stock having you sucking fingers and toes, are no joke.
Transmile.. Remember? haha.. Where is it now? Delisted? hmm.gif hmm...

So for investor, invest properly. Don't invest without knowing what you are investing. And don't always listen to agent talks only. Don own analysis, and research. Make sure you know where is your money parking, and know a little about the market.

Sorry ya agent out there.. Haha, but I myself also an agent. Some agent only know how to ask u do invest and invest and invest. Ask him what is DJIA doing, he got no idea what is DJIA. Sigh.. Ask him how is the market doing, he only tell u that DCA good good good, invest invest and invest more. If you want to ask people invest, at least give some comment before asking people to invest la.

Sorry, if I am customer, I will give him some fingers to look at.

And what is worst, one of the example is the person who recruited me in.. Damn!!
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2011, 10:16 PM)
Bwhhahaa  laugh.gif that says a lot for yr upline's salesmanship or bullshitology
Can even talk U into it rclxms.gif
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No la.. That time, I want to get in because I want to get in..
Somehow, got this recruiter want to recruit my brader.
My brader no interest, but know I am finding something like this.
So call the recruiter to come to me..

Seriously, i join not because of the recruiter.. He can consider himself lucky..
I just want to get in PBMutual only. smile.gif Hehe
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monday i plan to invest in PBGF, but it has closed. the officer introduced me to buy pb china asean equity fund but i hv nt so high confident in oversea fund or shud i invet in pb islamic equity fund?
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are u sure the PBGF already closed? but I am still making additional investment for my client.

There is a new fund will be launching on 6th September..It is a quite good fund. If you interested and you want know the details,you may PM me.
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are u sure the PBGF already closed? but I am still making additional investment for my client.

There is a new fund will be launching on 6th September..It is a quite good fund. If you interested and you want know the details,you may PM me.
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Mind elaborate more on that? unsure.gif
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are u sure the PBGF already closed? but I am still making additional investment for my client.

There is a new fund will be launching on 6th September..It is a quite good fund. If you interested and you want know the details,you may PM me.
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Why not spell it out here since it's so good?
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not need to confuse,

as expalin in 'how to calculate unit trsut' in my signature, the disribution is from ur own money. and it will be reduce after the ditribution.

if 5 cents declared, so 5 cents will be reduce from the unit price because 5 cents already given/taken, but the total units remain same.

if the disribution re-invest back. u will get the equivalent units for 5 cents and will be top up accordingly.
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IMHO, since most of the distributions are taxable, it is better off not to declare distributions especially for those investors that opted for distribution reinvestment.

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Hi cikgu-2 sekalian

IMHO, since most of the distributions are taxable, it is better off not to declare distributions especially for those investors that opted for distribution reinvestment.

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QUOTE(bizklguy @ Sep 3 2011, 07:11 PM)
Hi cikgu-2 sekalian

IMHO, since most of the distributions are taxable, it is better off not to declare distributions especially for those investors that opted for distribution reinvestment.

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are you saying that if there's a fund distribution and we opt for reinvestment, we dont need to declare this distribution $ as apart of our income in the income tax assessment? I've always declared this income as my additional income, even though the amount is very small.
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Hi cikgu-2 sekalian

IMHO, since most of the distributions are taxable, it is better off not to declare distributions especially for those investors that opted for distribution reinvestment.

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are you saying that if there's a fund distribution and we opt for reinvestment, we dont need to declare this distribution $ as apart of our income in the income tax assessment? I've always declared this income as my additional income, even though the amount is very small.
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By right, you should declare it.

What bizklguy said is capital gain is highly preferable rather than distribution since whatever you sell/gain from NAV appreciation is not taxable like distribution.
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QUOTE(wilsonjiahe @ Sep 3 2011, 02:30 AM)
are u sure the PBGF already closed? but I am still making additional investment for my client.

There is a new fund will be launching on 6th September..It is a quite good fund. If you interested and you want know the details,you may PM me.
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I supposed you are an agent.

I have been attending sales talks or fund launching by some of my agents, who NEVER miss letting us know EACH fund Public Mutual launched is good. Public Mutual has a series of funds, which of them, particularly equities are doing good? Those who have bought the funds in 2008 during the market bad times and have been keeping these funds (as claimed by agents that these are for retirements) until now would have nearly seen a bracket on their investment profiles.

UNLESS you are investment horizon is more than 10 years, I would recommend other instrumental. You can consider a BOND fund series rather than an equity. Or if you are a supporter, try investing with your EPF (as you would have > 10 years horizon then)
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 3 2011, 08:05 PM)
By right, you should declare it.

What bizklguy said is capital gain is highly preferable rather than distribution since whatever you sell/gain from NAV appreciation is not taxable like distribution.
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does pmutual have pure captal growth fund ? eg no distributions only focus on capital growth only ?
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 3 2011, 10:21 PM)
I supposed you are an agent.

I have been attending sales talks or fund launching by some of my agents, who NEVER miss letting us know EACH fund Public Mutual launched is good. Public Mutual has a series of funds, which of them, particularly equities are doing good? Those who have bought the funds in 2008 during the market bad times and have been keeping these funds (as claimed by agents that these are for retirements) until now would have nearly seen a bracket on their investment profiles.

UNLESS you are investment horizon is more than 10 years, I would recommend other instrumental. You can consider a BOND fund series rather than an equity. Or if you are a supporter, try investing with your EPF (as you would have > 10 years horizon then)
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Bro, most "flower sellers" wont tell U there are flowers that "smell bad" one tongue.gif

In all seriousness, maybe the best way for us to test for investment agent VS sales agent are inter-linked questions like:
1. If i buy and it goes down how?
The answer is usually buy more as it goes down, signing up for monthly standing instructions, thus doing DCA.

2. Then if it continues going down leh and stays down for 5 years or more leh, like 1997/1998 till 2006 on hit back 1400-ish how?
This Q usually separates the lousy sales vs super sales agents brows.gif

3. If i keep buying and buying using DCA ar, then when can take profit ar?
I think most of the sales agents would have painted themselves into a corner by now whereas proper investment agents would have talked about entry & exit plans by question 2 liao

just my 2cents idea - your mileage may vary laugh.gif

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does pmutual have pure captal growth fund ? eg no distributions only focus on capital growth only ?
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Mutual fund is a basket mixed of shares traded in the stock exchange market.
Usually Mutual Fund will have distribution.

If only focuses on capital growth, then you can search at KLSE market, as some counter focuses on capital gain rather than distribution. Example : AirAsia.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 3 2011, 10:54 PM)
Bro, most "flower sellers" wont tell U there are flowers that "smell bad" one tongue.gif

In all seriousness, maybe the best way for us to test for investment agent VS sales agent are inter-linked questions like:
1. If i buy and it goes down how?
The answer is usually buy more as it goes down, signing up for monthly standing instructions, thus doing DCA.

2. Then if it continues going down leh and stays down for 5 years or more leh, like 1997/1998 till 2006 on hit back 1400-ish how?
This Q usually separates the lousy sales vs super sales agents  brows.gif

3. If i keep buying and buying using DCA ar, then when can take profit ar?
I think most of the sales agents would have painted themselves into a corner by now whereas proper investment agents would have talked about entry & exit plans by question 2 liao

just my 2cents idea - your mileage may vary  laugh.gif
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yea.. i just went to public mutual, an agency manager keep asking me to buy only. i was asking her lots of questions regarding the quarterly report etc, she just said it was past & it dont mean anything, as long as now i want to earn money. she kept telling me the price drop alot ady, now enter sure earn, plus she got 17years experience bla bla bla
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 3 2011, 11:33 PM)
yea.. i just went to public mutual, an agency manager keep asking me to buy only. i was asking her lots of questions regarding the quarterly report etc, she just said it was past & it dont mean anything, as long as now i want to earn money. she kept telling me the price drop alot ady, now enter sure earn, plus she got 17years experience bla bla bla
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Hheeh - simple lor, ask her to show U her PERSONAL investments - results and methodologies.
If she's just a sales agent, straight away she'll clam up tongue.gif

If she does show U hers brows.gif U may have a good investment agent on your hand OR some other fun laugh.gif Sorry sorry - couldnt help myself there.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 3 2011, 11:54 PM)
Bro, most "flower sellers" wont tell U there are flowers that "smell bad" one tongue.gif

In all seriousness, maybe the best way for us to test for investment agent VS sales agent are inter-linked questions like:
1. If i buy and it goes down how?
The answer is usually buy as it goes down, signing up for monthly standing instructions, thus doing DCA.

2. Then if it continues going down leh and stays down for 5 years or more leh, like 1997/1998 till 2006 on hit back 1400-ish how?
This Q usually separates the lousy sales vs super sales agents  brows.gif

3. If i keep buying and buying using DCA ar, then when can take profit ar?
I think most of the sales agents would have painted themselves into a corner by now whereas proper investment agents would have talked about entry & exit plans by question 2 liao

just my 2cents idea - your mileage may vary  laugh.gif
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Good point on question number 2. every investment needs to have entry and exit strategy to avoid significant losses. i personally was a PM agent until about a year ago. Invested in Public Ittikal (PITTIKAL) and PCSF (Public China Select Fund) the moment i started working in 2008. i used DCA of RM100/month on both funds and sold them last year for a realized gain of around RM2000+ excluding distributions. sold all of investment in PM to fund a property purchase instead and IMHO i think investing directly in stocks will net better gains in terms of dividends and capital gains. just do research and ask around to construct a portfolio that suits yr needs and goals.

however, i'm not saying one shouldn't invest in mutual funds or any actively managed funds whatsoever as it was because of PM i got some money to fund a property purchase. choose wisely though. don't let its marketing fool you. nowadays, not only PM but all the other fund companies are launching funds and more funds to grab market share and retail investors like us. it's like a boutique investment house that instead of adding value to the investors are just interested in gaining as much as possible from the public. my advice would be:

1) choose funds with consistency and sustainability in terms of return and cap growth. i.e: 10 year record e.g: PSMALLCAP, PITTIKAL. PBOND and etc
2) a good fixed income instrument is their bond funds. avg return per year is around 6-8%. choose wisely. again refer to point number 1.

just my 2 cents...hope it helps.

P.S: no offence to anyone or any agent of PM or any actively managed fund company. pls accept my sincere apology if i did offend you in any possible way. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 3 2011, 11:25 PM)
Mutual fund is a basket mixed of shares traded in the stock exchange market.
Usually Mutual Fund will have distribution.

If only focuses on capital growth, then you can search at KLSE market, as some counter focuses on capital gain rather than distribution. Example : AirAsia.
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does pmutual have pure captal growth fund ? eg no distributions only focus on capital growth only ?
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pure capital grow. incidental distribution policy funds, is focus on capital grow where there will be distribution if any. but so far all the funds has distributions.


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 3 2011, 11:25 PM)
Mutual fund is a basket mixed of shares traded in the stock exchange market.
Usually Mutual Fund will have distribution.

If only focuses on capital growth, then you can search at KLSE market, as some counter focuses on capital gain rather than distribution. Example : AirAsia.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 3 2011, 10:21 PM)
I supposed you are an agent.

I have been attending sales talks or fund launching by some of my agents, who NEVER miss letting us know EACH fund Public Mutual launched is good. Public Mutual has a series of funds, which of them, particularly equities are doing good? Those who have bought the funds in 2008 during the market bad times and have been keeping these funds (as claimed by agents that these are for retirements) until now would have nearly seen a bracket on their investment profiles.

UNLESS you are investment horizon is more than 10 years, I would recommend other instrumental. You can consider a BOND fund series rather than an equity. Or if you are a supporter, try investing with your EPF (as you would have > 10 years horizon then)
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some investors will invest in UT base on the PLAN, retirement or education which can be in more than 10 yrs.

some wants to max their EPF money in UT too in moderate and aggressive funds.

not need to have more than 5 funds. 3 aggressive funds, 2 others enough.

i bought PISTF and PIDF during 2007/2008. goes down and up now. even not badly affected in last 3 weeks.


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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 3 2011, 11:33 PM)
yea.. i just went to public mutual, an agency manager keep asking me to buy only. i was asking her lots of questions regarding the quarterly report etc, she just said it was past & it dont mean anything, as long as now i want to earn money. she kept telling me the price drop alot ady, now enter sure earn, plus she got 17years experience bla bla bla
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which funds she recommend for u?

did she tell any thing abt risk management?
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 3 2011, 11:33 PM)
yea.. i just went to public mutual, an agency manager keep asking me to buy only. i was asking her lots of questions regarding the quarterly report etc, she just said it was past & it dont mean anything, as long as now i want to earn money. she kept telling me the price drop alot ady, now enter sure earn, plus she got 17years experience bla bla bla
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Holy Cow!!. This kind of agency manager.. Fail!!
Just ask to buy buy buy.. Ask her whether she knows anything about the current situation of the economy. Guess she does not know a shit about it, and only got 17 years of asking people to buy buy buy...

If want people to buy, at least talk something rather more reasonable, like why you need to buy, rather than buy buy buy because price drop.
Sigh..

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AirAsia is the biggest shareholder of Malaysia Airlines now. Oh boy.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(thenightcrusader @ Sep 3 2011, 11:39 PM)
Good point on question number 2. every investment needs to have entry and exit strategy to avoid significant losses. i personally was a PM agent until about a year ago. Invested in Public Ittikal (PITTIKAL) and PCSF (Public China Select Fund) the moment i started working in 2008. i used DCA of RM100/month on both funds and sold them last year for a realized gain of around RM2000+ excluding distributions. sold all of investment in PM to fund a property purchase instead and IMHO i think investing directly in stocks will net better gains in terms of dividends and capital gains. just do research and ask around to construct a portfolio that suits yr needs and goals.

however, i'm not saying one shouldn't invest in mutual funds or any actively managed funds whatsoever as it was because of PM i got some money to fund a property purchase. choose wisely though. don't let its marketing fool you. nowadays, not only PM but all the other fund companies are launching funds and more funds to grab market share and retail investors like us. it's like a boutique investment house that instead of adding value to the investors are just interested in gaining as much as  possible from the public. my advice would be:

1) choose funds with consistency and sustainability in terms of return and cap growth. i.e: 10 year record e.g: PSMALLCAP, PITTIKAL. PBOND and etc
2) a good fixed income instrument is their bond funds. avg return per year is around 6-8%. choose wisely. again refer to point number 1.

just my 2 cents...hope it helps.

P.S: no offence to anyone or any agent of PM or any actively managed fund company. pls accept my sincere apology if i did offend you in any possible way.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 2 2011, 01:18 PM)
Yea. Depends what kind of strategy you want to use. One lump sum at the bottom surely will do better than each month, or each quarter.
Since market is confirm volatile now, why not wait a while? Investment, no need to rush. Timing is important only. Rushing now - Which is a volatile timing = bad timing.

But rushing when market crashed like dead dog, then that is good rush. smile.gif

Rushing when market bull, also good. Make sure you know how to switch out when bull start to slow.

Rushing when bear coming out to play = damn bad strategy.. haha.

Since you are starting to invest in a new fund, initial minimum is 1k, or subject to different individual. Probably, just wait a while only see. Waiting 2-3 mths does not hurt much in my opinion.

Let the market show a strong signal of bear or bull.

How to know.. Keep update, see whether there is a QE3 from US, and how the public take on the QE3 (At least QE3 is something that will definitely affect the market)
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I am doing that bolded part exactly, sigh!
It's ok lah, am using DDI in the same time, hopefully can leverage down.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 4 2011, 01:02 AM)
I am doing that bolded part exactly, sigh!
It's ok lah, am using DDI in the same time, hopefully can leverage down.
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If your fund not closed.. Then stop the maybe you want to stop DDI?
Accumulate more $$$ in hand first. When market really went hairwired and head to ravine, this is your action time.. Fire all you get..

Just my 2 lousy cents..
But if you are keeping updated with the market, you should probably know where are we heading as a whole in a time like this.
Although some miracles might happen

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 4 2011, 12:37 AM)
Holy Cow!!. This kind of agency manager.. Fail!!
Just ask to buy buy buy.. Ask her whether she knows anything about the current situation of the economy. Guess she does not know a shit about it, and only got 17 years of asking people to buy buy buy...

If want people to buy, at least talk something rather more reasonable, like why you need to buy, rather than buy buy buy because price drop.
Sigh..
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Yeah - buying due to price and volume movement is more of trading not investing, right bro Boney?
Ni bukan individual stocks or futures but mutual funds with service charges of 5.5% (heck even FundSupermart = 2%), which is way above stocks & futures contract. How to trade lar


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 4 2011, 01:13 AM)
If your fund not closed.. Then stop the maybe you want to stop DDI?
Accumulate more $$$ in hand first. When market really went hairwired and head to ravine, this is your action time.. Fire all you get..

Just my 2 lousy cents..
But if you are keeping updated with the market, you should probably know where are we heading as a whole in a time like this.
Although some miracles might happen
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Personally, i'd fire:
a. 33% of all ammo i've allocated to mutual funds' "value buy" when market stops falling for awhile
b. If it moves down later, i've still 66.66% ammo left to buy value - eg. if it goes down, i'll sit and wait until "straight line" dead market again, and then put in another 33%
c. when market goes up continuously (albeit slowly) for 3 to 6 months, i'll put in another 33%

Chicken shit risk mgt heheh - seen double dips before, dont want to jump in with both feet. tongue.gif
how low is low

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 4 2011, 01:02 AM)
I am doing that bolded part exactly, sigh!
It's ok lah, am using DDI in the same time, hopefully can leverage down.
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I supposed you are using DDI for DCA strategy. DCA is a good strategy in principle. When you do DCA on Public Mutual funds, you got charged 5.5% for their fees, which at least takes you sometime to get that % back (assuming 1 year return is 6-8%)
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 4 2011, 10:42 AM)
I supposed you are using DDI for DCA strategy. DCA is a good strategy in principle. When you do DCA on Public Mutual funds, you got charged 5.5% for their fees, which at least takes you sometime to get that % back (assuming 1 year return is 6-8%)
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no diff on SC 5.5% either DCA or lump sum.

rm10,000 lump sum x 5.5% = rm1000 x 10 x 5.5%.

the best way to reduce the SC is buy the units for cheaper price.
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The difference is on the NAV when the DCA or lump sum is being invested.
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i just top up some funds that i have.. hopefully won't go any lower smile.gif

if lower lagi top up lagi smile.gif sounds abit like martingale smile.gif
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which funds she recommend for u?

did she tell any thing abt risk management?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 4 2011, 12:37 AM)
Holy Cow!!. This kind of agency manager.. Fail!!
Just ask to buy buy buy.. Ask her whether she knows anything about the current situation of the economy. Guess she does not know a shit about it, and only got 17 years of asking people to buy buy buy...

If want people to buy, at least talk something rather more reasonable, like why you need to buy, rather than buy buy buy because price drop.
Sigh..
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i think she just know how to compare the price before and after. actually i went there to get some hardcopy data, she dont even has those. i kept telling her that the market is so unstable now & the probability of the market wil drop further is quite high. then she kept telling we cant time to market, so buy now as the price is so cheap. she recommended PUBLIC CHINA TITANS FUND, PUBLIC ITTIKAL FUND,PUBLIC AUSTRALIA EQUITY FUND if not mistaken.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 4 2011, 07:53 AM)
Yeah - buying due to price and volume movement is more of trading not investing, right bro Boney?
Ni bukan individual stocks or futures but mutual funds with service charges of 5.5% (heck even FundSupermart = 2%), which is way above stocks & futures contract. How to trade lar


Added on September 4, 2011, 7:59 am
Personally, i'd fire:
a. 33% of all ammo i've allocated to mutual funds' "value buy" when market stops falling for awhile
b. If it moves down later, i've still 66.66% ammo left to buy value - eg. if it goes down, i'll sit and wait until "straight line" dead market again, and then put in another 33%
c. when market goes up continuously (albeit slowly) for 3 to 6 months, i'll put in another 33%

Chicken shit risk mgt heheh - seen double dips before, dont want to jump in with both feet. tongue.gif
how low is low
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 4 2011, 01:13 AM)
If your fund not closed.. Then stop the maybe you want to stop DDI?
Accumulate more $$$ in hand first. When market really went hairwired and head to ravine, this is your action time.. Fire all you get..

Just my 2 lousy cents..
But if you are keeping updated with the market, you should probably know where are we heading as a whole in a time like this.
Although some miracles might happen
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Thanks for advice... I will consider about that. In fact, double dip is approaching, right? I have been reading the similar news for few times already, even Singapore's Lee Hsien Loong said the same thing.

By the way, what does the bolded part mean? Typo?

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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 4 2011, 10:01 PM)
i think she just know how to compare the price before and after. actually i went there to get some hardcopy data, she dont even has those. i kept telling her that the market is so unstable now & the probability of the market wil drop further is quite high. then she kept telling we cant time to market, so buy now as the price is so cheap. she recommended PUBLIC CHINA TITANS FUND, PUBLIC ITTIKAL FUND,PUBLIC AUSTRALIA EQUITY FUND if not mistaken.
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wow, how come she dont know ittikal is closed. u went to the wrong person. for me stick at local funds is cukup. or 30% exporsure to foreign market in the fund.

AU equity fund is design for education plan for those plan send their kids to australia in future.

china funds, not my taste at the moment.

by the by waht hard copy u need?
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 4 2011, 10:01 PM)
i think she just know how to compare the price before and after. actually i went there to get some hardcopy data, she dont even has those. i kept telling her that the market is so unstable now & the probability of the market wil drop further is quite high. then she kept telling we cant time to market, so buy now as the price is so cheap. she recommended PUBLIC CHINA TITANS FUND, PUBLIC ITTIKAL FUND,PUBLIC AUSTRALIA EQUITY FUND if not mistaken.
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China Titan Fund some more ah?
2009 and 2010 also making negative number, still want to recommend. Hahaha.

When other trust making more than 50% return from 2009 to 2010 and to 2011, Titan goes negative.
Her recommendation really yi ji bang!
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It could be directive from upper management to keep selling China funds even though it's negative return since launch. Public Mutual timing was pretty bad when launched China funds. I guess a lot of people still got stuck since commencement date.
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I plan to top up my equity fund.. (making loss)

Now, not the right time ? Switch to bond ?

If I switch to bond .... then from bond switch to equity fund, will get SC 5.5% ?

eg. equity fund ===> bond (RM 25 )
bond =====> equity (RM 25 + 5.5 % or not ?? )

Then, I incurred 5.5% charge TWICE ??

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Sep 5 2011, 01:30 AM)
I plan to top up my equity fund.. (making loss)

Now, not the right time ?  Switch to bond ?

If I switch to bond .... then from bond switch to equity fund, will get SC 5.5% ?

eg.  equity fund ===> bond  (RM 25 )
      bond      =====> equity (RM 25 +  5.5 % or not ?? )

Then, I incurred 5.5% charge TWICE ??
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I think RM25 switching fee is only applicable if you switch between funds of the same type ie. equity to equity. Otherwise, you will need to pay the entry fee of the fund u switch to.
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Whether you'll be charged service charge or not, it depends if your units are loaded or non-loaded units.
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Calling out to all newbies and er.. semi-experience mutual fund investors (NOT traders wannabes):
Just a thought to share:

Before U go and invest CASH into mutual funds, why not do EPF to mutual funds first?
Reasons:
1. Lower service charges for equity funds (3% vs 5.5% for PM)
2. Learn and do (active learning). Hey, when U've some skin in the game, U tend to learn better & faster yar tongue.gif
3. Your EPF's going to be sitting there for quite awhile right?
No cash flow impact + FORCED long term thinking

Then as U become a more experienced investor riding mutual funds, U can start thinking about cash investments... into stocks, amanah saham whatever, REITs and of course, mutual funds.

Just a low cash flow impact + active learning + forced long term thinking approach
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Sep 5 2011, 01:30 AM)
I plan to top up my equity fund.. (making loss)

Now, not the right time ?  Switch to bond ?

If I switch to bond .... then from bond switch to equity fund, will get SC 5.5% ?

eg.  equity fund ===> bond  (RM 25 )
      bond      =====> equity (RM 25 +  5.5 % or not ?? )

Then, I incurred 5.5% charge TWICE ??
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go to switching fees.
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@Bonescythe and wongmunkeong,

Await for your replies. Check out post# 213

Thansk!

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 5 2011, 11:53 AM)
@Bonescythe and wongmunkeong,

Await for your replies. Check out post# 213

Thansk!
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hheheh - sorry, was up to my eyeballs in Private Messages after doing them worksheets.

Ammo = my slang for "cash in-hand awaiting to buy into specific assets"
my dumbass slang coz:
IF
a. got gun (ie. methodologies)
b. got targets coming into my gun's sight (ie. opportunity)
c. NO AMMO / bullets!
i'll be kicking myself so hard that... my great great great ancestors will feel it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 4 2011, 10:52 PM)
What does "ammo" mean?
Ammo is short form for ammunition, or bullet
In share, investment, ammo is cash.. $$$

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 4 2011, 10:52 PM)
Thanks for advice... I will consider about that. In fact, double dip is approaching, right? I have been reading the similar news for few times already, even Singapore's Lee Hsien Loong said the same thing.

By the way, what does the bolded part mean? Typo?
Yes, must be typo.. Lolz.

Double dip.. I don't know, but probably. Our fate is dependable on US market, Europe market and regional Asian market. KLSE is always a follower. Sometimes we follow with 1-2 days delay.. Haha.

Market is no doubt, very volatile now. One day can green +20, another day red -20. Gold price remain at high 18xx zone, means investor is still not confident with the current market as well.

Double dip can happen. And you will see oil price plunging to valley again, and tech pieces thrown like dog.

Let's see what the US play their cards. But even though how they play, it is a matter of time. Slow death or fast death. But we still cannot eliminate there are chances of a miracle.

Current situation, bear on the advantage side.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 5 2011, 12:32 PM)
Ammo is short form for ammunition, or bullet
In share, investment, ammo is cash.. $$$
Yes, must be typo.. Lolz.

Double dip.. I don't know, but probably. Our fate is dependable on US market, Europe market and regional Asian market. KLSE is always a follower. Sometimes we follow with 1-2 days delay.. Haha.

Market is no doubt, very volatile now. One day can green +20, another day red -20. Gold price remain at high 18xx zone, means investor is still not confident with the current market as well.

Double dip can happen. And you will see oil price plunging to valley again, and tech pieces thrown like dog.

Let's see what the US play their cards. But even though how they play, it is a matter of time. Slow death or fast death. But we still cannot eliminate there are chances of a miracle.

Current situation, bear on the advantage side.
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Financial market volatile meh bro Boney? IMHO it's straight forward down down down tongue.gif
coz from my POV (point of view), down can be 5%+ but up (from the down) is 1% to 2%+.
to me, 2% up isnt 2% up from 100% coz fell 5%+ liao. Thus, effectively less than 2%up

Lots of marketing gimmick, especially those investment houses/fund houses puts it like:
2008 fell 48% but ar, 2009 up back 48% thus no problem.
My foot - the climb is LESS than the fall brows.gif
Fall (100% -48%) + Climb ( (100%-48%) *48%) is still less than 100%

Gold no idea - looks to have reach a plateau - potential risk is way too high for me personally VS rewards.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 5 2011, 07:15 AM)
Calling out to all newbies and er.. semi-experience mutual fund investors (NOT traders wannabes):
Just a thought to share:

Before U go and invest CASH into mutual funds, why not do EPF to mutual funds first?
Reasons:
1. Lower service charges for equity funds (3% vs 5.5% for PM)
2. Learn and do (active learning). Hey, when U've some skin in the game, U tend to learn better & faster yar tongue.gif
3. Your EPF's going to be sitting there for quite awhile right?
No cash flow impact + FORCED long term thinking

Then as U become a more experienced investor riding mutual funds, U can start thinking about cash investments... into stocks, amanah saham whatever, REITs and of course, mutual funds.

Just a low cash flow impact + active learning + forced long term thinking approach
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Strongly recommended! nod.gif

Looks like UT has become a LIFELONG investment which needs long horizon >10 years compared to as claimed by the agents/sales personnel (3-5 years). So investing with EPF is the way to go.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 5 2011, 01:07 PM)
Strongly recommended! nod.gif

Looks like UT has become a LIFELONG investment which needs long horizon >10 years compared to as claimed by the agents/sales personnel (3-5 years). So investing with EPF is the way to go.
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Maybe, maybe not on the >10yrs horizon timeline.

IMHO and experience, it depends on one's investment methodology / approach.
eg. on like 2001 dips and 2008 crahes, if one does trend investing (in and out based on mid-long term trend), one can make $ within 2 to 3 years and SWITCH back to Bond Funds. I did exactly that with my value/trend capital.

As for my programmatic investments, still chugging along and also making $ overall (note - bond + equities) about 8%pa+/- even in this down market.

However all these take time to learn and test, thus, my recommendation stands for newbies to get their toes wet first by doing EPF to mutual funds, learn and do better biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 5 2011, 01:07 PM)
Strongly recommended! nod.gif

Looks like UT has become a LIFELONG investment which needs long horizon >10 years compared to as claimed by the agents/sales personnel (3-5 years). So investing with EPF is the way to go.
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UT is not for short term, recommended medium to long term. this is not claim by agents. this is the UT concept. Agents not allows to give any promise and guarantee on UT for short term and even for over the time, since risk still has in UT.

INVEST IN UT IS WITH UR OWN RISK AND NO GUARANTEE AT ANY POINT OF TIME.

But, its proven that for long term, UT give much better returns compare with FD and EPF.

But u still can make money in short term, below 1 yr, timing must be ur side and the market shoul be in uptrend.
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Public Bank launches three new fund

Public Bank is launching three new funds, PB Asia Emerging Growth Fund (PBAEGF), PB Bond Fund (PBBOND) and PB Sukuk Fund (PBSKF) on 6 September 2011.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...9Eo%3d&tabid=87
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:01 PM)
Public Bank launches three new fund

Public Bank is launching three new funds, PB Asia Emerging Growth Fund (PBAEGF), PB Bond Fund (PBBOND) and PB Sukuk Fund (PBSKF) on 6 September 2011.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...9Eo%3d&tabid=87
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Bolded one. Confirm launch at wrong timing.
Shall be seeing red and negative result soon
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How to avoid common pitfalls.
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one thing i dont linke about PM Online is that they dont have a column called Cost, i.e. the money that we've invested. With this Cost column, then we can compare how much $ we've put in, vs the $ we're having now.

also the history is only limited to 12 months. how i wish they have the full historical records for our records to export out for analysis.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 5 2011, 08:32 PM)
one thing i dont linke about PM Online is that they dont have a column called Cost, i.e. the money that we've invested. With this Cost column, then we can compare how much $ we've put in, vs the $ we're having now.

also the history is only limited to 12 months. how i wish they have the full historical records for our records to export out for analysis.
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and thus U should have your own tracking spreadsheet yar? biggrin.gif
I too was and is still cheesed off with fund houses (not just PM) sending garbage "info" to me - gross returns / lump sum profits/loss, no CAGR per transaction, no CAGR overall, etc. Thus, build your own tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:01 PM)
Public Bank launches three new fund

Public Bank is launching three new funds, PB Asia Emerging Growth Fund (PBAEGF), PB Bond Fund (PBBOND) and PB Sukuk Fund (PBSKF) on 6 September 2011.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...9Eo%3d&tabid=87
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will you buy into UT now?
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QUOTE(insaint708 @ Sep 5 2011, 10:44 PM)
will you buy into UT now?
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I dunno about him (pointing at bro David83) but i'm still buying in based on my programmatic approach (DCA+VCA) tongue.gif
5 years+ plan mar, what to do - follow through and tweak along the way if needed lor

U leh? What's yr plans and approach? Still buying in? Sitting out? Or ???
Share share your views / opinion & methodologies lar. Dont just ask a Q without some reasoning or sharing yr thoughts icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 5 2011, 11:22 PM)
I dunno about him (pointing at bro David83) but i'm still buying in based on my programmatic approach (DCA+VCA) tongue.gif
5 years+ plan mar, what to do - follow through and tweak along the way if needed lor

U leh? What's yr plans and approach? Still buying in? Sitting out? Or ???
Share share your views / opinion & methodologies lar. Dont just ask a Q without some reasoning or sharing yr thoughts  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I don't know as i'm newbie in investment .. just following some posts
maybe i should try to get it..
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QUOTE(insaint708 @ Sep 5 2011, 11:38 PM)
I don't know as i'm newbie in investment .. just following some posts
maybe i should try to get it..
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Make sure all in all, you know what you are going, and you are mentally prepared for anything to happen, even if it is counting 1million profit from UT, or counting 200k losses in it
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QUOTE(insaint708 @ Sep 5 2011, 10:44 PM)
will you buy into UT now?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 5 2011, 11:22 PM)
I dunno about him (pointing at bro David83) but i'm still buying in based on my programmatic approach (DCA+VCA) tongue.gif
5 years+ plan mar, what to do - follow through and tweak along the way if needed lor

U leh? What's yr plans and approach? Still buying in? Sitting out? Or ???
Share share your views / opinion & methodologies lar. Dont just ask a Q without some reasoning or sharing yr thoughts  icon_rolleyes.gif
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At current weak economic outlook, I'll try to bring down my average unit cost for PAIF, PSEASF and PSMALLCAP if I have extra cash on hand.

I'll try my best to buy an Australia fund from CIMB since it's under promotion on 2% SC. I always wanted to buy an Australian fund.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 5 2011, 11:22 PM)
I dunno about him (pointing at bro David83) but i'm still buying in based on my programmatic approach (DCA+VCA) tongue.gif
5 years+ plan mar, what to do - follow through and tweak along the way if needed lor

U leh? What's yr plans and approach? Still buying in? Sitting out? Or ???
Share share your views / opinion & methodologies lar. Dont just ask a Q without some reasoning or sharing yr thoughts  icon_rolleyes.gif
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what is the meaning of DCA & VCA?
DCA = Dollar Cost Averaging...
VCA = ?
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what is the meaning of DCA & VCA?
DCA = Dollar Cost Averaging...
VCA = ?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 6 2011, 01:06 AM)
At current weak economic outlook, I'll try to bring down my average unit cost for PAIF, PSEASF and PSMALLCAP if I have extra cash on hand.

I'll try my best to buy an Australia fund from CIMB since it's under promotion on 2% SC. I always wanted to buy an Australian fund.
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How about the new fund, is it worth?
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Guise, totally new to investment. Had the opportunity to invest in psmallcap when one of friend told me to, since it seemed to be long term, I threw in whatever extra cash I had and told myself to forget about it until it rolls some decent dough.

But... if anyone takes a look, things has taken a rather sharp turn eh? I have no intention of letting the fund go now, but does anyone has a clue when will it stop dipping? Also, would appreciate it if someone pointed me to a decent site to read more about how these fund actually work and/or how to look for other funds to invest in.
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How about the new fund, is it worth?
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Can anyone tell me what is a benchmark and what effects it has when I am looking at a fund? for example i was looking at Q2 fund review and there is always a fund(PSF for example) total return and a benchmark total return, so how do one compare these two percentage?

p.s. still "studying" UT, still noob icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cashzz @ Sep 6 2011, 04:22 PM)
Can anyone tell me what is a benchmark and what effects it has when I am looking at a fund? for example i was looking at Q2 fund review and there is always a fund(PSF for example) total return and a benchmark total return, so how do one compare these two percentage?

p.s. still "studying" UT, still noob  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Benchmark is just a reference on how good a particular fund perform. It doesn't really indicate anything since it's for comparison.

What concerns investors would be NAV appreciation.
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QUOTE(Shenyang @ Sep 6 2011, 04:19 PM)
Guise, totally new to investment. Had the opportunity to invest in psmallcap when one of friend told me to, since it seemed to be long term, I threw in whatever extra cash I had and told myself to forget about it until it rolls some decent dough.

But... if anyone takes a look, things has taken a rather sharp turn eh? I have no intention of letting the fund go now, but does anyone has a clue when will it stop dipping? Also, would appreciate it if someone pointed me to a decent site to read more about how these fund actually work and/or how to look for other funds to invest in.
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u can switch to bond fund for time being, then switch back to equity fund when the market recover, pls don't ask, when it will be as nobody knows.

or, just leave it since u r focusing on long term, it will recover back.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 6 2011, 04:25 PM)
Benchmark is just a reference on how good a particular fund perform. It doesn't really indicate anything since it's for comparison.

What concerns investors would be NAV appreciation.
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So the higher the benchmark the better the fund is performing? most of the funds i see have their total return higher than the benchmark total return, so do this indicate anything? and for NAV appreciation, it is just by looking at whether the NAV increases in every year?
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QUOTE(cashzz @ Sep 6 2011, 04:34 PM)
So the higher the benchmark the better the fund is performing? most of the funds i see have their total return higher than the benchmark total return, so do this indicate anything? and for NAV appreciation, it is just by looking at whether the NAV increases in every year?
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the fund must be better perfom than becnhmark.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 6 2011, 04:32 PM)
u can switch to bond fund for time being, then switch back to equity fund when the market recover, pls don't ask, when it will be as nobody knows.

or, just leave it since u r focusing on long term, it will recover back.
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Not interested with the 3 new funds since they're under PB series under Public Bank.
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Not interested with the 3 new funds since they're under PB series under Public Bank.
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i supposed the bonds from PB are doing quite well..
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Has anyone used Public Mutual's e-Distribution before? They started bank in the distribution payout directly to our bank accounts for those who have registered for it, instead of sending us a cheque.

My question: How long does it take for Public Mutual to bank in the $? Assuming I am receiving the PSMALLCAP distribution.
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Hi all,

Newbie in UT blush.gif just would like to know the following:
1) each fund has their own 'financial year/period-ended', am I right?
a) does it means the bond fund will give distribution yearly after the 'financial year/period-ended'? If the ' 'financial year/period-ended' of a bond fund is on Dec 31, we buy the fund on Dec 1, are we able to enjoy the 'distribution' immediately OR need to wait for another year?
b) for a equity fund also has its 'financial year/period-ended', distribution is incidental, am I right?

2) how to check the fund's initial offer NAV price? Highest/lowest NAV price in the past... can we find out?

Thanks in advance.

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PB series under Public Bank not performing?
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not because of not performing, it's just that agent get nothing from selling PB series funds.
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Hi all,

Newbie in UT  blush.gif just would like to know the following:
1) each fund has their own 'financial year/period-ended', am I right? YES
a) does it means the bond fund will give distribution yearly after the  'financial year/period-ended'? If the ' 'financial year/period-ended' of a bond fund is on Dec 31, we buy the fund on Dec 1, are we able to enjoy the 'distribution' immediately OR need to wait for another year? Immediately
b) for a equity fund also has its 'financial year/period-ended', distribution is incidental, am I right? Depends on its distribution policy. Check its prospectus. Most of them are incidental.

2) how to check the fund's initial offer NAV price? Highest/lowest NAV price in the past... can we find out? Annual report, Fund performance graph and guessing. Most of the equity funds initial NAV are 0.2500 and bond/money market funds are 1.0000

Thanks in advance.
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1) each fund has their own 'financial year/period-ended', am I right? YES
a) does it means the bond fund will give distribution yearly after the 'financial year/period-ended'? If the ' 'financial year/period-ended' of a bond fund is on Dec 31, we buy the fund on Dec 1, are we able to enjoy the 'distribution' immediately OR need to wait for another year? Immediately
b) for a equity fund also has its 'financial year/period-ended', distribution is incidental, am I right? Depends on its distribution policy. Check its prospectus. Most of them are incidental.

2) how to check the fund's initial offer NAV price? Highest/lowest NAV price in the past... can we find out? Highest and lowest NAV can be grabbed from fund annual report and Fund performance graph (from the website). While for the initial NAV, it can be guessed, most of the equity funds initial NAV are 0.2500 and bond/money market funds are 1.0000

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VCA = value cost averaging
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totally earn nothing meh ?
not even 0.25%?

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 6 2011, 10:42 PM)
not because of not performing, it's just that agent get nothing from selling PB series funds.
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totally earn nothing meh ?
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Anyone mind explain why I was charged twice for switching? Somemore is RM50 + RM25. Total RM75. I did not do any switching for the past three months. I thought the charge would be only RM25? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ Sep 7 2011, 01:55 PM)
Hi,

Anyone mind explain why I was charged twice for switching? Somemore is RM50 + RM25. Total RM75. I did not do any switching for the past three months. I thought the charge would be only RM25?  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

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Er.. U switched how many units in total ar bro? 3,600+ or 120+ ar?

If U did switch 3,600+, then the answer is staring U in that statement leh - look at the units switched.
Some units were below 90days, some units were after 90days purchase tongue.gif

New "rules" in SWITCHING quite awhile ago
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 7 2011, 02:00 PM)
Er.. U switched how many units in total ar bro? 3,600+ or 120+ ar?

If U did switch 3,600+, then the answer is staring U in that statement leh - look at the units switched.
Some units were below 90days, some units were after 90days purchase tongue.gif

New "rules" in SWITCHING quite awhile ago
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Aiya.. Didn't realize that switching in less than 90days for purchase also counted. I did invest RM100 every month. Rugi lah.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ Sep 7 2011, 02:22 PM)
Aiya.. Didn't realize that switching in less than 90days for purchase also counted. I did invest RM100 every month. Rugi lah.. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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ya, for those before 90 days, min RM50. after only RM25.

next time, u just switch those units more than 90 days.


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Last 3 months I bought Public Mutual using EPF for below fund.

P.Ittikal
Public Saving Fund

Now, I can withdraw another 8k from EPF. I decided to invest 2 funds, but having hard time to choose between the below funds. Opinion..or any other fund worth to choose this time?

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PUBLIC ISLAMIC DIVIDEND FUND
PUBLIC REGULAR SAVINGS FUND
PUBLIC SMALLCAP FUND
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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Sep 7 2011, 02:46 PM)
Last 3 months I bought Public Mutual using EPF for below fund.

P.Ittikal
Public Saving Fund

Now, I can withdraw another 8k from EPF. I decided to invest 2 funds, but having hard time to choose between the below funds. Opinion..or any other fund worth to choose this time?

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PUBLIC ISLAMIC DIVIDEND FUND
PUBLIC REGULAR SAVINGS FUND
PUBLIC SMALLCAP FUND
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smallcap not for epf scheme.
the rest ok. i hv this 3 in my epf shecme. still holding without switch to BOND yet.

u can go for this 3. but thnik first either hold in bond and later switch or just go for it.




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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Sep 7 2011, 02:46 PM)
Last 3 months I bought Public Mutual using EPF for below fund.

P.Ittikal
Public Saving Fund

Now, I can withdraw another 8k from EPF. I decided to invest 2 funds, but having hard time to choose between the below funds. Opinion..or any other fund worth to choose this time?

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PUBLIC ISLAMIC DIVIDEND FUND
PUBLIC REGULAR SAVINGS FUND
PUBLIC SMALLCAP FUND
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Just to my sense, do not buy today cause today the market is up, so u will buy with more expensive price. I think friday is another good day to think of it =)
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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Sep 7 2011, 02:46 PM)
Last 3 months I bought Public Mutual using EPF for below fund.

P.Ittikal
Public Saving Fund

Now, I can withdraw another 8k from EPF. I decided to invest 2 funds, but having hard time to choose between the below funds. Opinion..or any other fund worth to choose this time?

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PUBLIC ISLAMIC DIVIDEND FUND
PUBLIC REGULAR SAVINGS FUND
PUBLIC SMALLCAP FUND
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U sound like a "mutual fund collector" tongue.gif Well, better than a bag or shoe collector for wealth building purposes i guess laugh.gif

Seriously though - what's your plan? aim? entry/exit rules? reasoning to buy previously and now?
If no cohesive plan, then maybe any equity fund do-able via EPF would seem to be good enough.

I'll play the devil's advocate for now tongue.gif - PAGF & PSSF.
Reason: Works well for my own entry & exit rules
+ check out PAGF's 10 & 5 yrs' performance (top 25%tile for PB/PM i think) VS it's 3 to 1yrs' (top 50%tile for PB/PM i think) ending last week.
+ PSSF's 3yrs & 1yrs performance (top 25%tile i think)
I posted these stats earlier somewhere in PM V3 thread - look for it.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 7 2011, 03:07 PM)
U sound like a "mutual fund collector" tongue.gif Well, better than a bag or shoe collector for wealth building purposes i guess  laugh.gif

Seriously though - what's your plan? aim? entry/exit rules? reasoning to buy previously and now?
If no cohesive plan, then maybe any equity fund do-able via EPF would seem to be good enough.

I'll play the devil's advocate for now tongue.gif - PAGF & PSSF.
Reason: Works well for my own entry & exit rules
+ check out PAGF's 10 & 5 yrs' performance (top 25%tile for PB/PM i think) VS it's 3 to 1yrs' (top 50%tile for PB/PM i think) ending last week.
+ PSSF's 3yrs & 1yrs performance (top 25%tile i think)
I posted these stats earlier somewhere in PM V3 thread - look for it.
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Since the money sit in EPF cant do anything... I just withdraw and buy something lor.. rather than use my money to buy .. ahhaha

entry & exit rules ? I believe no for me, as I didnt plan to withdraw it, as it will going back to EPF account ...
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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Sep 7 2011, 03:15 PM)
Since the money sit in EPF cant do anything... I just withdraw and buy something lor.. rather than use my money to buy .. ahhaha

entry & exit rules ? I believe no for me, as I didnt plan to withdraw it, as it will going back to EPF account ...
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My bad - fleshing out Entry & Exit:
Entry - as in DCA, Lump Sum, VCA, Trend following etc
Exit - as in SWITCH from Equity funds, to Bond funds XX% or 100%
WHEN Trend hits xxx, Transaction net profit hits xx%pa or yy% if less than 1 year (abnormally high), etc.

Of course dont lar redeem and then incur another 3% when U go back into Equity funds from EPF doh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 7 2011, 03:21 PM)
My bad - fleshing out Entry & Exit:
Entry - as in DCA, Lump Sum, VCA, Trend following etc
Exit - as in SWITCH from Equity funds, to Bond funds XX% or 100%
WHEN Trend hits xxx, Transaction net profit hits xx%pa or yy% if less than 1 year (abnormally high), etc.

Of course dont lar redeem and then incur another 3% when U go back into Equity funds from EPF  doh.gif
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Hahaha..Oright! Anyway, NO as well for entry & exit. Don't even know how to evaluate all that.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2011, 07:34 AM)
1) each fund has their own 'financial year/period-ended', am I right? YES
a) does it means the bond fund will give distribution yearly after the  'financial year/period-ended'? If the ' 'financial year/period-ended' of a bond fund is on Dec 31, we buy the fund on Dec 1, are we able to enjoy the 'distribution' immediately OR need to wait for another year? Immediately
b) for a equity fund also has its 'financial year/period-ended', distribution is incidental, am I right? Depends on its distribution policy. Check its prospectus. Most of them are incidental.

2) how to check the fund's initial offer NAV price? Highest/lowest NAV price in the past... can we find out? Highest and lowest NAV can be grabbed from fund annual report and Fund performance graph (from the website). While for the initial NAV, it can be guessed, most of the equity funds initial NAV are 0.2500 and bond/money market funds are 1.0000
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Thanks David83 for the clarifications.

Since the bond fund distribute every financial year/period-ended, does it means... after EPF pay the yearly dividend (lets say 5%) on April 30, then we can use the eligible $ in EPF a/c1 to invest a bond fund and get another dividend from bond fund (lets say 6% on Dec 31) in the same year... then transfer all the $ back to EPF a/c1... repeat the same process all over again... eventually, we are getting 5% from EPF + 6% bond fund dividends every year... just pay 0.25% SC only, can this work? blush.gif sorry... just some thoughts only smile.gif

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 08:02 PM)
Thanks David83 for the clarifications.

Since the bond fund distribute every financial year/period-ended, does it means... after EPF pay the yearly dividend (lets say 5%) on April 30, then we can use the eligible $ in EPF a/c1 to invest a bond fund and get another dividend from bond fund (lets say 6% on Dec 31) in the same year... then transfer all the $ back to EPF a/c1... repeat the same process all over again... eventually, we are getting 5% from EPF + 6% bond fund dividends every year... just pay 0.25% SC only, can this work?  blush.gif  sorry... just some thoughts only smile.gif
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You have to check if the particular bond fund distribution policy is annual or incidental.

Regarding your little trick, I have no comment since I'm not used to it.
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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 08:02 PM)
Thanks David83 for the clarifications.

Since the bond fund distribute every financial year/period-ended, does it means... after EPF pay the yearly dividend (lets say 5%) on April 30, then we can use the eligible $ in EPF a/c1 to invest a bond fund and get another dividend from bond fund (lets say 6% on Dec 31) in the same year... then transfer all the $ back to EPF a/c1... repeat the same process all over again... eventually, we are getting 5% from EPF + 6% bond fund dividends every year... just pay 0.25% SC only, can this work?  blush.gif  sorry... just some thoughts only smile.gif
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It'll work IF not for the fact that Bond fund's NAV will DEFLATE / DROP the exact value of dividends it shot out.
To add salt to injury, some of these dividends may be taxable.

Good idea on trying to optimize though.

I had some "optimizing" idea on bond / equity funds too waaaay earlier until i found out all the loopholes were closed off. There is a reason why "big biz" hires the smartest ones around tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 08:02 PM)
Thanks David83 for the clarifications.

Since the bond fund distribute every financial year/period-ended, does it means... after EPF pay the yearly dividend (lets say 5%) on April 30, then we can use the eligible $ in EPF a/c1 to invest a bond fund and get another dividend from bond fund (lets say 6% on Dec 31) in the same year... then transfer all the $ back to EPF a/c1... repeat the same process all over again... eventually, we are getting 5% from EPF + 6% bond fund dividends every year... just pay 0.25% SC only, can this work?  blush.gif  sorry... just some thoughts only smile.gif
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it won't work, once dividends declared, NAV drops @ the same time. there's no free money, dividends have to come FROM somewhere
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blush.gif blush.gif blush.gif trying/thinking hard for our EPF $ to make a bit more $ smile.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 08:02 PM)
Thanks David83 for the clarifications.

Since the bond fund distribute every financial year/period-ended, does it means... after EPF pay the yearly dividend (lets say 5%) on April 30, then we can use the eligible $ in EPF a/c1 to invest a bond fund and get another dividend from bond fund (lets say 6% on Dec 31) in the same year... then transfer all the $ back to EPF a/c1... repeat the same process all over again... eventually, we are getting 5% from EPF + 6% bond fund dividends every year... just pay 0.25% SC only, can this work?  blush.gif  sorry... just some thoughts only smile.gif
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good idea, but it wont work. the dividedns for BOND is From own pocket.

EPF dividedns (5%) calculation, lets say for RM5000,
RM5000 x 5% = RM250.00

for Bond,
total units x declared dividedns = dividedns. n this dividedns will be given from ur own money. not give addtional like EPF.



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I don'[t understand from your own momey. If you say from your own money, wouldnt that mean you earn RM 0.00! Very misleading.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 7 2011, 09:28 PM)
good idea, but it wont work. the dividedns for BOND is From own pocket.

EPF dividedns (5%) calculation, lets say for RM5000,
RM5000 x 5% = RM250.00

for Bond,
total units x declared dividedns = dividedns. n this dividedns will be given from ur own money. not  give addtional like EPF.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Sep 7 2011, 09:30 PM)
I don'[t understand from your own momey. If you say from your own money, wouldnt that mean you earn RM 0.00! Very misleading.
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LOL..cut long story short.

EPF declares INTEREST RATE.
any UT declares DIVIDENDS.. habis cerita

and exactly. google why dividends are bad. it;s only passing the money from ur left to right hand value with tax incurred. so in most cases, u actually loose more.

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 09:20 PM)
blush.gif  blush.gif  blush.gif trying/thinking hard for our EPF $ to make a bit more $  smile.gif  biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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EPF returns consider BOND returns, so, to max epf money, u need to inveest in high or higher risk fund.



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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Sep 7 2011, 09:32 PM)
LOL..cut long story short.

EPF declares INTEREST RATE.
any UT declares DIVIDENDS.. habis cerita

and exactly. google why dividends are bad. it;s only passing the money from ur left to right hand value with tax incurred. so in most cases, u actually loose more.
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FYI, dividends on BOND funds are not taxable, least, no deduction for the tax.

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I don'[t understand from your own momey. If you say from your own money, wouldnt that mean you earn RM 0.00! Very misleading.
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if u know how to calculate the dividedns, u will understand it. the dividedns actualy from ur investment gain/lost.

go to how to calculate the divicedns in my signature.
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I don'[t understand from your own momey. If you say from your own money, wouldnt that mean you earn RM 0.00! Very misleading.
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Interest and dividend are two different thing. Interest is like a bonus on top of your EPF where as dividends from equity/bond are distributed out of the profit/gain or loss on NAV. Lets say u invested $1 and it increased to $1.4 in a year, the dividend u receive will come from the 0.40 gain (or maybe more? i dono)... at least thats what i was told
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 7 2011, 09:34 PM)
EPF returns consider BOND returns, so, to max epf money, u need to inveest in high or higher risk fund.
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blush.gif How about... transfer as much $ from EPF to bonds fund after EPF paid its interest (every April?), left the $ in bonds fund for 6-8 months and hope the NAV value appreciate, then sell/transfer back all the $ into EPF (before Dec 31) and enjoy the next year interest smile.gif ---> at least let the $ to have chance to grow more within the 6-8 months tongue.gif

Sorry for causing all the misunderstanding... blame it to my left/right/centre/up/down brain... keep thinking how $ can grow more... blush.gif

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Where can I find Public Mutual DATA more than 52 weeks ? ( 1 year)


Wow , I see that PUBLIC BOND FUND drop quite a lot on Aug'11 . The reason behind ?

Thanks ...
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Where can I find Public Mutual DATA more than  52 weeks ? ( 1 year)
Wow , I see that PUBLIC BOND FUND drop quite a lot on Aug'11 . The reason behind ?

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Here: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx

PBOND? You saw the wrong fund, Bro.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 7 2011, 09:34 PM)
EPF returns consider BOND returns, so, to max epf money, u need to inveest in high or higher risk fund.
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If u invest in the right bond fund of public mutual, the return will beat the epf return, they have 5-10 years record to prove it right.
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PB BOND FUND>. Overseas Bond not local..
quite dangerous now smile.gif

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 7 2011, 10:12 PM)
blush.gif  How about... transfer as much $ from EPF to bonds fund after EPF paid its interest (every April?), left the $ in bonds fund for 6-8 months and hope the NAV value appreciate, then sell/transfer back all the $ into EPF (before Dec 31) and enjoy the next year interest smile.gif ---> at least let the $ to have chance to grow more within the 6-8 months tongue.gif

Sorry for causing all the misunderstanding... blame it to my left/right/centre/up/down brain... keep thinking how $ can grow more...  blush.gif
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why spend all the hassle of transfer in and out from the epf to bond fund? epf dividend is paid on monthly rest basis, the moment u withdraw fr epf, interest stop accumulating. Plus u need to pay 0.25% every time u buy bond funds.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 8 2011, 12:50 AM)
why spend all the hassle of transfer in and out from the epf to bond fund? epf dividend is paid on monthly rest basis, the moment u withdraw fr epf, interest stop accumulating. Plus u need to pay 0.25% every time u buy bond funds.
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blush.gif sorry, I thought epf is yearly rest. If this is the case... not worth the hassle blush.gif

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QUOTE(whojen @ Sep 8 2011, 12:32 AM)
Overseas Bond not local..quite dangerous now smile.gif
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depending which country u talking about. US T bills rates are regarded as risk free rate, even their bond hv been dowgraded recently, it is still considered safe. Austalia/NZ soverign bond are also considered safe.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 7 2011, 09:28 PM)
good idea, but it wont work. the dividedns for BOND is From own pocket.

EPF dividedns (5%) calculation, lets say for RM5000,
RM5000 x 5% = RM250.00

for Bond,
total units x declared dividedns = dividedns. n this dividedns will be given from ur own money. not  give addtional like EPF.
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Just curious, if the dividend declared is 5%, the latest nav value is RM1.00 and I have 1000 units...
5% of RM1.00 is RM0.05, after declared, am I getting:
a) (RM1.00 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,050
or
b) (RM0.95 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,000

Thanks in advance.


Added on September 8, 2011, 1:23 am
QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2011, 07:34 AM)
2) how to check the fund's initial offer NAV price? Highest/lowest NAV price in the past... can we find out? Highest and lowest NAV can be grabbed from fund annual report and Fund performance graph (from the website). While for the initial NAV, it can be guessed, most of the equity funds initial NAV are 0.2500 and bond/money market funds are 1.0000
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Sorry, forgot to ask... If the bond fund's initial nav is RM1.0000 and the average of 4-5% growth, after few years, the nav should be increased to RM1.2000 to 1.3000, but the current nav still around RM0.9999 - 1.009, does it means... after declared the dividend, the nav value dropped and investor either gets more units (reinvest) or gets $?

Thanks in advance.


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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 8 2011, 01:10 AM)
Just curious, if the dividend declared is 5%, the latest nav value is RM1.00 and I have 1000 units...
5% of RM1.00 is RM0.05, after declared, am I getting:
a) (RM1.00 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,050
or
b) (RM0.95 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,000

Thanks in advance.


Added on September 8, 2011, 1:23 am

Sorry, forgot to ask... If the bond fund's initial nav is RM1.0000 and the average of 4-5% growth, after few years, the nav should be increased to RM1.2000 to 1.3000, but the current nav still around RM0.9999 - 1.009, does it means... after declared the dividend, the nav value dropped and investor either gets more units (reinvest) or gets $?

Thanks in advance.
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er.. simplifying:
1. U bought at $1 NAV (ignoring 0.25% svc charge) in 2011 1 Jan
2. NAV goes up to $1.10 in exactly 1year in 2012 1 Jan
and dividend declared $0.06 cents per unit
3. 2nd Jan, after ex, NAV will now be $1.10 - $0.06 + whatever growth between 2012 1 Jan to 2012 2 Jan.

Thus, please note that dividends in mutual funds are similar to stocks - when it's paid out, the $ is from the fund (in stocks' case its company's cash), thus it devalues each unit held in the fund.
However, the effect of the distribution of dividends are a bit dis-similar to stocks.
Fund's NAV drops EXACTLY the amount distributed via dividend (then +/- all the other stuff - see below "to complicate matters")
Stocks' price drops based on market's sentiment, heck, sometimes even rises after ex!


To complicate matters, no. 3 is actually
NAV will now be $1.10
- $0.06 dividend distributed
+(whatever growth between 2012 1 Jan to 2012 2 Jan)

-(mgt fees prorated + trustee fees prorated + etc.)
-(whatever transaction cost by bond fund managers' buy/sell between 2012 1 Jan to 2012 2 Jan)


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blush.gif  How about... transfer as much $ from EPF to bonds fund after EPF paid its interest (every April?), left the $ in bonds fund for 6-8 months and hope the NAV value appreciate, then sell/transfer back all the $ into EPF (before Dec 31) and enjoy the next year interest smile.gif ---> at least let the $ to have chance to grow more within the 6-8 months tongue.gif

Sorry for causing all the misunderstanding... blame it to my left/right/centre/up/down brain... keep thinking how $ can grow more...  blush.gif
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u must know how the EPF dividend calculation. this blog can help u. epf dididends..

Actualy EPF dividends calculated by monthly.

there is no way u enjoy double dividends in 1 year.

EPF - dividedns (additional from capital)
UT - capital gain/lost and dividedns is from the gain/lost.
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If u invest in the right bond fund of public mutual, the return will beat the epf return, they have 5-10 years record to prove it right.
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ya, but I recommend, if use cash, can go for BOND, better than FD returns. If use EPF, I don't recommend to BOND.
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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 8 2011, 01:10 AM)
Just curious, if the dividend declared is 5%, the latest nav value is RM1.00 and I have 1000 units...
5% of RM1.00 is RM0.05, after declared, am I getting:
a) (RM1.00 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,050
or
b) (RM0.95 + RM0.05) x 1,000 = RM1,000

Thanks in advance.


Added on September 8, 2011, 1:23 am

Sorry, forgot to ask... If the bond fund's initial nav is RM1.0000 and the average of 4-5% growth, after few years, the nav should be increased to RM1.2000 to 1.3000, but the current nav still around RM0.9999 - 1.009, does it means... after declared the dividend, the nav value dropped and investor either gets more units (reinvest) or gets $?

Thanks in advance.
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dividedns need to calculate base on how many cents decalred, not the %.

b) is correct.
if u hv 1000 units, then times with the dividedns = dividedns x 1000 units. = amount u will get.
the next operation day, the new unit price will open with previous day price - declared dividedns which is Rm1.00 - 0.05 = Rm0.95



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Last 3 months I bought Public Mutual using EPF for below fund.

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Now, I can withdraw another 8k from EPF. I decided to invest 2 funds, but having hard time to choose between the below funds. Opinion..or any other fund worth to choose this time?

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
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I am exploring the EPF UT investment option.
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I want to know from your experience. How many days did EPF take from the time of application submission to UT account created with the unit purchased?
I am exploring the EPF UT investment option.
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3 days as far as I experienced.
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anyone invest in public sukuk fund? looks like PM bond funds are getting better even for new one. Quite easily 6-8% p.a.
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anyone invest in public sukuk fund? looks like PM bond funds are getting better even for new one. Quite easily 6-8% p.a.
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I want to know from your experience. How many days did EPF take from the time of application submission to UT account created with the unit purchased?
I am exploring the EPF UT investment option.
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EPF approval may take 3 days, but the unit price is purshcase on the submission date or the next day.
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yeap i invested some in PSKF..juz for fun..lol..but okla..usually bonds don perform the 1st yr
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wongmunkeong/kparam77/David83/cheahcw2003... thanks for clarifying the UT dividends. I wish PM do not declare dividends and lets NAV value keep on increasing smile.gif

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wongmunkeong/kparam77/David83/cheahcw2003... thanks for clarifying the UT dividends. I wish PM do not declare dividends and lets NAV value keep on increasing smile.gif
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A knowledgeable UT investors do not want distribution to be declared. thumbup.gif
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as the current investor account ... does not include the profit of your investment ... it only state your current NAV ...

How to calculated your net profit ? ...
Any special software ...
Need to find out --- whether your investment making any profit or not ?
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QUOTE(kiddo_z @ Sep 10 2011, 12:35 PM)
as the current investor account ... does not include the profit of your investment ... it only state your current NAV ...

How to calculated your net profit ? ...
Any special software ...
Need to find out --- whether your investment making any profit or not  ?
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Net Profits /Loss = Current Total Value (NAV * units U are holding) LESS Total cost (ie. $ U paid)

Special software = Calculator and a bit of brain power tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kiddo_z @ Sep 10 2011, 12:35 PM)
as the current investor account ... does not include the profit of your investment ... it only state your current NAV ...

How to calculated your net profit ? ...
Any special software ...
Need to find out --- whether your investment making any profit or not  ?
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latest stamtnt amount (balanced NAV amount) - the amount u paid = profit/lost.
u need to write it down ur paid amount for calculation.
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wongmunkeong/kparam77/David83/cheahcw2003... thanks for clarifying the UT dividends. I wish PM do not declare dividends and lets NAV value keep on increasing smile.gif
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tht y i buy kenanga growth fund
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tht y i buy kenanga growth fund
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+1 , n low service charge..2% n sometimes even 1%.
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How do you guys track your returns of all the trusts that you bought? Well.. it will be straight forward in excel file when you only buy then sell off all..

But how to track when you buy, but sell of partially or switch to other funds?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 10 2011, 10:00 PM)
How do you guys track your returns of all the trusts that you bought? Well.. it will be straight forward in excel file when you only buy then sell off all..

But how to track when you buy, but sell of partially or switch to other funds?
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er.. also simple mar switching

STEP 1 - The SWITCH out of fund A
(units out * NAV switched = Sales) LESS (units out * average cost per unit)
Thus U know the net profits of "SELLING" off of Fund A's units

STEP 2 - The SWITCH into Fund B
Your cost would be the Sales above. Take this and divide by your units received and you'll have the average cost per unit

NOTE: I'm assuming U know how to use Excel tongue.gif + U do track you re-invested units growth

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 7 2011, 02:56 PM)
smallcap not for epf scheme.
the rest ok. i hv this 3 in my epf shecme. still holding without switch to BOND yet.

u can go for this 3. but thnik first either hold in bond and later switch or just go for it.
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This round I choose neither one of them. I ended up invested in PIF and PIX.

Maybe next round I will re-consider, or re-invest back the same fund.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 10 2011, 11:09 PM)
er.. also simple mar switching

STEP 1 - The SWITCH out of fund A
(units out * NAV switched = Sales) LESS (units out * average cost per unit)
Thus U know the net profits of "SELLING" off of Fund A's units

STEP 2 - The SWITCH into Fund B
Your cost would be the Sales above. Take this and divide by your units received and you'll have the average cost per unit

NOTE: I'm assuming U know how to use Excel tongue.gif + U do track you re-invested units growth
Ahhh... thanks for enlightening me!! Seems complicated to create an excelfile to track when doing switching.. haha
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Sifus,

What is the basis of calculation of a fund's performance in the report?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx
For example,
PUBLIC AGGRESSIVE GROWTH FUND : Total Returns from 09-Sep-08 To 08-Sep-11=36.92%
So the return of 36.92% is based on the NAV differences on 9/9/08 till 08/09/11? Excluding dividend?

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Sep 10 2011, 11:36 PM)
Sifus,

What is the basis of calculation of a fund's performance in the report?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx
For example,
PUBLIC AGGRESSIVE GROWTH FUND : Total Returns from 09-Sep-08 To 08-Sep-11=36.92%
So the return of 36.92% is based on the NAV differences on 9/9/08 till 08/09/11? Excluding dividend?
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Not sifu here bro but it is clear on the link U presented itself - "TOTAL RETURNS"

Total Returns = pau kah liao, as in NAV + reinvested dividends and "whatever else" (which i've no idea heheh)
Mind U, i dont think your particular transaction's service charges' are costed into the "start" of the NAV (pls correct me if i'm in lalaland on this).
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Anybody got news when PSMALLCAP will close?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 11 2011, 07:11 AM)
Not sifu here bro but it is clear on the link U presented itself - "TOTAL RETURNS"

Total Returns = pau kah liao, as in NAV + reinvested dividends and "whatever else" (which i've no idea heheh)
Mind U, i dont think your particular transaction's service charges' are costed into the "start" of the NAV (pls correct me if i'm in lalaland on this).
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Wong Sifu, don't be so humble lar. smile.gif
At least u still know how to execute "Fat Shan Mou Ying Kiok" and "Fat Shan Mou Ying Quen" in the market..

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any idea about a new equity fund launched by PB called PB ASIA EMERGING GROWTH FUND? is it wise to buy a mutual fund without past performance like IPO shares?
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any idea about a new equity fund launched by PB called PB ASIA EMERGING GROWTH FUND? is it wise to buy a mutual fund without past performance like IPO shares?
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better stick with existing good performance funds. new fund, the performance?? but if u ok with the new funds propectus, asset/sector allocation and u can take risk, go for it.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 11 2011, 02:38 PM)
better stick with existing good  performance funds. new fund, the performance?? but if u ok with the new funds propectus, asset/sector allocation and u can take risk, go for it.
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which equity fund would u recommend? i dont have interest on bond fund since i got ASB can generate 7-8% p.a.
i just want to set aside some of my fund to equity fund to achieve more than tht return..

when is the right time to buy equity fund?
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which equity fund would u recommend? i dont have interest on bond fund since i got ASB can generate 7-8% p.a.
i just want to set aside some of my fund to equity fund to achieve more than tht return..

when is the right time to buy equity fund?



PDSF - for good risk adjusted performance with Asia ex-Japan exposure

PRSF - for purely local exposure to FBMEMAS index.

When is a good time?

Now as P/E of Asia Ex-Japan is low due to the current sell-down. KLSE is slightly lower than the 10 y/a avr P/E. (i.e., 10 year avr P/E is 16.7, current P/E as of 1-9-2011 is 16
0)

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 11 2011, 02:38 PM)
better stick with existing good  performance funds. new fund, the performance?? but if u ok with the new funds propectus, asset/sector allocation and u can take risk, go for it.
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but, smallcap fund drop a lot these few days....
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I have a Public Equity Fund which I have been holding since a while ago. My agent ran away (no longer reachable), can I know if I can terminate my fund account by myself and take my money back?
What is the procedures like and what charges do I need to pay for it?
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Sep 11 2011, 07:19 PM)
but, smallcap fund drop a lot these few days....
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Due to 12 cents distribution.

QUOTE(Nitrous @ Sep 11 2011, 09:06 PM)
Hi All
I have a Public Equity Fund which I have been holding since a while ago. My agent ran away (no longer reachable), can I know if I can terminate my fund account by myself and take my money back?
What is the procedures like and what charges do I need to pay for it?
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No charges for repurchase (sell).
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When will Pittikal b open again? its been so long since it closed.

Perfect, just when i got extra $$$ and the fund price is somewhat cheap now huhuhuhu
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Question.

Since I can now purchase my PM fund online, is it possible to remove my agent? I mean, if he is still my agent, he will know how much I invest & he also got percentage from my investment right? Can I remove my agent then?

TQ. notworthy.gif
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which equity fund would u recommend? i dont have interest on bond fund since i got ASB can generate 7-8% p.a.
i just want to set aside some of my fund to equity fund to achieve more than tht return..

when is the right time to buy equity fund?
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PIEF,
PIDF,
PISEF,
PIOGF

if u go for lump sum, wait for cheaper price. if monthly DDI, can enter any time. Currently market is very volatile, very hard to say when is the right time. maybe now is not the right time, but it better time compare with 1 or 2 months back.
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Sep 11 2011, 07:19 PM)
but, smallcap fund drop a lot these few days....
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buy,,,,buy,,....buy.

if u don't hv the confidend.....dont buy.
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Hi All
I have a Public Equity Fund which I have been holding since a while ago. My agent ran away (no longer reachable), can I know if I can terminate my fund account by myself and take my money back?
What is the procedures like and what charges do I need to pay for it?
Thanks!
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ur account still active, even if u take out all ur money. u can re-invest with the same acc no. no charge for take back money.

why ur agent run away?
why u want to take the money?
not hapy with agnt?
or, the value drop?

if the value, drop, instead u take back ur money, u can switch to BOND, and switch again to equity without paying SC later.
if u sell back and re-enter again later, u need to pay SC again.
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Question.

Since I can now purchase my PM fund online, is it possible to remove my agent? I mean, if he is still my agent, he will know how much I invest & he also got percentage from my investment right? Can I remove my agent then?

TQ.  notworthy.gif
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As far as i know (which aint much tongue.gif), even if U EMPTY the AGENT field in PMOnline, your current agent still gets a % of the service charges

Worst, if U doing it via PBonline and U must select an existing fund account, FOR SURE your agent for that account will get a % of the service charges.

Best = to work with another agent, ie. fill in form one time, then next time just invest via that new agent/account.

BTW, i'm in no way encouraging U to tell your current agent to bugger off k tongue.gif
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When will Pittikal b open again? its been so long since it closed.

Perfect, just when i got extra $$$ and the fund price is somewhat cheap now huhuhuhu
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maybe ittkial UIC not very much affected. so, kena tunggu-lah kawan.

or go for other fund.
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QUOTE(Julie28 @ Sep 12 2011, 01:06 PM)
Question.

Since I can now purchase my PM fund online, is it possible to remove my agent? I mean, if he is still my agent, he will know how much I invest & he also got percentage from my investment right? Can I remove my agent then?

TQ.  notworthy.gif
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cannot.

get the FIMM license, sell back all the funds. buy it back with ur own agent code.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 12 2011, 01:29 PM)
cannot.

get the FIMM license, sell back all the funds. buy it back with ur own agent code.
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Wah bro - like that incur another round of service charges % leh.
Not too good to cut off the nose to spite the face tongue.gif
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Good news to those who holding cash and want to do VCA in these few days~
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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Sep 12 2011, 02:40 AM)
When will Pittikal b open again? its been so long since it closed.

Perfect, just when i got extra $$$ and the fund price is somewhat cheap now huhuhuhu
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I bought rm2000 worth of P. Ittikal about 6 years ago. I didn't keep track all these years. Wonder how much I made (or lost) hmm.gif
Thinking of selling and put the money into stock market.
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I bought rm2000 worth of P. Ittikal about 6 years ago. I didn't keep track all these years. Wonder how much I made (or lost)  hmm.gif
Thinking of selling and put the money into stock market.
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QUOTE(A2Z2U @ Sep 12 2011, 06:24 PM)
I bought rm2000 worth of P. Ittikal about 6 years ago. I didn't keep track all these years. Wonder how much I made (or lost)  hmm.gif
Thinking of selling and put the money into stock market.
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er.. bro, just a logic clarification yar:
a. PIttikal NAV, an equity fund mainly buying local stocks (pls correct if i'm in lalaland ar tongue.gif) down
b. U want to sell AND put into directly into local stocks

Reason:
1. coz stock market also down?
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2. you've got some stock picks going against the grain / current bearish trend?
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3. other reasons?

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 12 2011, 07:04 PM)
er.. bro, just a logic clarification yar:
a. PIttikal NAV, an equity fund mainly buying local stocks (pls correct if i'm in lalaland ar tongue.gif) down
b. U want to sell AND put into directly into local stocks

Reason:
1. coz stock market also down?
OR
2. you've got some stock picks going against the grain / current bearish trend?
OR
3. other reasons?
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Actually don't know whether it's a good idea to sell now. It's just a small amount of money. Yea, now red sea in stock market but I see it as an opportunity to invest for long term. I do have some stocks that I want to pick up.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 12 2011, 02:11 PM)
Wah bro - like that incur another round of service charges % leh.
Not too good to cut off the nose to spite the face tongue.gif
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QUOTE(A2Z2U @ Sep 12 2011, 07:37 PM)
Actually don't know whether it's a good idea to sell now. It's just a small amount of money. Yea, now red sea in stock market but I see it as an opportunity to invest for long term. I do have some stocks that I want to pick up.
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u shuld sell it 2-3 months ago. but its not too late.

mind to share which stocks in ur pickup list?
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 12 2011, 07:56 PM)
wat else can advice?, our fren dont want his agent C his stament n enjoy the commision  hmm.gif
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methinks best revenge is to SHOW the current idiot agent how much he/she is losing out by investing properly with another agent (or self as agent) tongue.gif

"Vengeance is best served cold" - hehe, i interpret "cold" to be "cold hard logic" laugh.gif


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QUOTE(A2Z2U @ Sep 12 2011, 07:37 PM)
Actually don't know whether it's a good idea to sell now. It's just a small amount of money. Yea, now red sea in stock market but I see it as an opportunity to invest for long term. I do have some stocks that I want to pick up.
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IMHO the local market's a sea of red with tidal waves now (bearish trend).
U may want to wait for the tide to fall first or risk "being pulled into the deep red sea and drown" tongue.gif

On a flip-side, if U are targeting staples like NESTLE, DLADY or plantation sector - these looks "more" steady than the rest. Of course the "tide" (trend) usually pulls down or raises all "boats" (stocks) though blush.gif

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u shuld sell it 2-3 months ago. but its not too late.

mind to  share which stocks in ur pickup list?
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CIMB and Petronas Chemical


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IMHO the local market's a sea of red with tidal waves now (bearish trend).
U may want to wait for the tide to fall first or risk "being pulled into the deep red sea and drown" tongue.gif
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I'm not good at timing the market. tongue.gif
I use average down strategy.

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dummy question here... may i know what is VCA ?
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Hi all,

Just would like to share this info... KWSP earns 0.25% a year on EPF funds that have been withdrawn by contributors and invested 'approved' unit trust funds --- source from The Edge Personal Money September 2011 issue.

Btw, does the charges stated in the statement? Or KWSP bill the unit trust company for the charges... unit trust company charge the investor accordingly... it is part of the service charge?

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great info there lowyatt2011,
never know that EPF charge 0.25% before.

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Hi all,

Just would like to understand how to read the 'chart' of PGF (Public Growth Fund):
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx

For last 3 years performance: Total Returns from 13-Sep-08 To 12-Sep-11=45.32% or 15.11% per year.

For last 5 years performance: Total Returns from 13-Sep-06 To 12-Sep-11=80.01% or 16% per year

For last 10 years performance: Total Returns from 13-Sep-01 To 12-Sep-11=181.73% pr 18.17% per year

For last 26 years performance: Total Returns from 09-Jan-85 To 12-Sep-11=854.37% or 32.86% per year

Am I reading the charts correctly?

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 13 2011, 09:47 PM)
Hi all,

Just would like to share this info... KWSP earns 0.25% a year on EPF funds that have been withdrawn by contributors and invested 'approved' unit trust funds --- source from The Edge Personal Money September 2011 issue.

Btw, does the charges stated in the statement? Or KWSP bill the unit trust company for the charges... unit trust company charge the investor accordingly... it is part of the service charge?

Thanks.
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yea, i'd like to know as well, where is the 0.125% gone ???
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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 13 2011, 09:47 PM)
Hi all,

Just would like to share this info... KWSP earns 0.25% a year on EPF funds that have been withdrawn by contributors and invested 'approved' unit trust funds --- source from The Edge Personal Money September 2011 issue.

Btw, does the charges stated in the statement? Or KWSP bill the unit trust company for the charges... unit trust company charge the investor accordingly... it is part of the service charge?

Thanks.
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Dunno about other fund houses but for PM, methinks it's incorporated into the yearly mgt fees, which are calculated and deducted pro-rata daily from the NAV, not the service charges since it's a yearly continuous charge.

Personally, i think EPF is just being a pr*ck UNLESS the 0.25% or the post 2008 0.125% goes back into our EPF a/c1 EXCLUDING EPF's handling costs.


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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 13 2011, 09:54 PM)
great info there lowyatt2011,
never know that EPF charge 0.25% before.
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Personally the 0.25% is no issue BUT the "yearly" is the issue tongue.gif
Er.. note that it's 0.125% since 2008, not 0.25%


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yea, i'd like to know as well, where is the 0.125% gone ???
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"Admin" fees OR the infamous person who said "U scratch my back, I scratch your back" tongue.gif
thinking of that.. i feel so.. ew... to be a Malaysian. (oops off topic - sorry mod)

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What do u guys do with ur EQUITY FUND ?

SWITCH IT to BOND since its dropping like hell.... mad.gif
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 14 2011, 11:00 AM)
What do u guys do with ur EQUITY FUND ?

SWITCH IT to BOND since its dropping like hell.... mad.gif
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Keep on executing and tracking as per planned
1. 50% of $ for equity funds on DCA + VCA no fear / no greed programmatic investments
2. 50% of $ for equity funds awaiting current bearish Trend to get into accumulation trend

What about U? Share share lar - dont just be angry brows.gif
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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Sep 13 2011, 09:47 PM)
Hi all,

Just would like to share this info... KWSP earns 0.25% a year on EPF funds that have been withdrawn by contributors and invested 'approved' unit trust funds --- source from The Edge Personal Money September 2011 issue.

Btw, does the charges stated in the statement? Or KWSP bill the unit trust company for the charges... unit trust company charge the investor accordingly... it is part of the service charge?

Thanks.
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u can ge tthe answer from EPF in this month theedge personal money. EPF hv some expenses on EPF scheme such as implement biometric system in UTMC and other expenses related to epf scheme. . so the expenses is from the 0.25%.

if hv more, will payout as dividends to the contributors.
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I have an administrative question for PM-UTC/AM/GAM here:

My DDI is linked to a PB Current a/c and if I do not put enough fund in it, what will happen?

My Upline said nothing will happen and the DDI will continue as normal next month when there is sufficient fund.

The PM branch customer service receptionist told me DDI acts like a cheque and if there is insufficient fund, it is considered as dishonoured cheque and will be penalized.

Same question, two different answers. Can I get a third or fourth opinion?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2011, 01:11 PM)
I have an administrative question for PM-UTC/AM/GAM here:

My DDI is linked to a PB Current a/c and if I do not put enough fund in it, what will happen?

My Upline said nothing will happen and the DDI will continue as normal next month when there is sufficient fund.

The PM branch customer service receptionist told me DDI acts like a cheque and if there is insufficient fund, it is considered as dishonoured cheque and will be penalized.

Same question, two different answers. Can I get a third or fourth opinion?

Xuzen
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Nothing will happen. No penalty is charged as per my memory.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2011, 01:11 PM)
I have an administrative question for PM-UTC/AM/GAM here:

My DDI is linked to a PB Current a/c and if I do not put enough fund in it, what will happen?

My Upline said nothing will happen and the DDI will continue as normal next month when there is sufficient fund.

The PM branch customer service receptionist told me DDI acts like a cheque and if there is insufficient fund, it is considered as dishonoured cheque and will be penalized.

Same question, two different answers. Can I get a third or fourth opinion?

Xuzen
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I have client(s) who have insufficient funds for their DDI for a few months already. So far no penalty. If there is any penalty for such cases, I'm sure must state clearly before signing people up for DDI. If not PM sure receive lots of complains.
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any idea why the funds price update so slow ya?
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Because market down until system also down?
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QUOTE(lytros @ Sep 14 2011, 05:00 PM)
Funds with shares traded in Hong Kong & Korea share market are not updated as the share market was closed yesterday.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 11:27 AM)
Personally:
Keep on executing and tracking as per planned
1. 50% of $ for equity funds on DCA + VCA no fear / no greed programmatic investments
2. 50% of $ for equity funds awaiting current bearish Trend to get into accumulation trend

What about U? Share share lar - dont just be angry  brows.gif
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Public select dividend fund ... average cost = 0.32, currently 0.2678

I plan to switch when it reach 0.28..... (at loss though),

plan to buy more when it is 0.26 .... then switch when it reach 0.28...

My plan OK ?

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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 14 2011, 05:25 PM)
Public select dividend fund ... average cost = 0.32, currently 0.2678

I plan to switch when it reach 0.28..... (at loss though),

plan to buy more when it is 0.26 ....  then switch when it reach 0.28...

My plan OK ?
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What is the rationale for switching? Do you need to use the money when it hit 0.28?

PDSF is one of the better performing funds among the PM staple.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 14 2011, 05:25 PM)
Public select dividend fund ... average cost = 0.32, currently 0.2678

I plan to switch when it reach 0.28..... (at loss though),

plan to buy more when it is 0.26 ....  then switch when it reach 0.28...

My plan OK ?
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Your average cost: $0.32
Current NAV: $0.2678

Plan:
a. if goes up to $0.28 SWITCH to bond fund
b. if goes down to $0.26 buy more

Hm.. just a thought / opinion ar, not gospel truth reality tongue.gif
Scenario 1
U'd switch out of something that goes UP although still at a loss? (exit rule)
a. er... if i am cutting losses, i'd have switched out when market was FALLING into a distribution trend, not when it goes up
b. i'd only switch out when it goes up to take / lock in profits at abnormal profit returns. Mind U, my personal entry rules are either buying value/trend accumulation mode, and value averaging, which by default, controls my risk exposure.

Scenario 2
U'd buy more when going down (entry rule)
THEN switch out of something that goes up, although still at a loss OR break even? (exit rule)?
a. ok.. buy more when going down ie. averaging down the cost
b. switch out when it goes up a mere $0.02? er.. wouldnt that be like below your cost (ie. loss) as U need to factor in service charges and what not during your new purchases?

Thus, just in this old rat's Point of View, the basics dont look too logical.
Of course your reasoning may differ due to other things like needing the cash or just fedup show hand win or lose, etc. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2011, 05:53 PM)
What is the rationale for switching? Do you need to use the money when it hit 0.28?

PDSF is one of the better performing funds among the PM staple.

Xuzen
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I felt that It will drop after hit 0.28.... smile.gif

by switching it, I can buy back some at a lower price.... eg. 0.25

anyway, plan to go to Kenanga growth fund .... lower fee.


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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 14 2011, 04:46 PM)
any idea why the funds price update so slow ya?
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Because market down until system also down?
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Funds with shares traded in Hong Kong & Korea share market are not updated as the share market was closed yesterday.
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normally they will update yesterday price this afternoon
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2011, 01:11 PM)
I have an administrative question for PM-UTC/AM/GAM here:

My DDI is linked to a PB Current a/c and if I do not put enough fund in it, what will happen?

My Upline said nothing will happen and the DDI will continue as normal next month when there is sufficient fund.

The PM branch customer service receptionist told me DDI acts like a cheque and if there is insufficient fund, it is considered as dishonoured cheque and will be penalized.

Same question, two different answers. Can I get a third or fourth opinion?

Xuzen
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for saving account - no issue.
for current acc - maybe the policy is diff as informed.
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For those interested to get some good entry point for Mutual Fund.

Today ending KLCI at 143x area.

It will be nice to split your fund into 3 parts.

1 portion, you can head into it at 1400
2nd portion, if the CI continues to go lower, you might take 1370.
Last portion, if 1340.

This is just my opinion only. smile.gif

You might want to change the entry point to different level though.
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 14 2011, 05:25 PM)
Public select dividend fund ... average cost = 0.32, currently 0.2678

I plan to switch when it reach 0.28..... (at loss though),

plan to buy more when it is 0.26 ....  then switch when it reach 0.28...

My plan OK ?
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not need to switch just top up to get average price PSDF.

my suggestion only.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 14 2011, 06:24 PM)
For those interested to get some good entry point for Mutual Fund.

Today ending KLCI at 143x area.

It will be nice to split your fund into 3 parts.

1 portion, you can head into it at 1400
2nd portion, if the CI continues to go lower, you might take 1370.
Last portion, if 1340.

This is just my opinion only. smile.gif

You might want to change the entry point to different level though.
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Buy PIX?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 14 2011, 06:24 PM)
For those interested to get some good entry point for Mutual Fund.

Today ending KLCI at 143x area.

It will be nice to split your fund into 3 parts.

1 portion, you can head into it at 1400
2nd portion, if the CI continues to go lower, you might take 1370.
Last portion, if 1340.

This is just my opinion only. smile.gif

You might want to change the entry point to different level though.
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I was thinking first portion around 1300.
2nd-800
3rd-500 sweat.gif

Currently still 70% bond 30% equity though.
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 14 2011, 06:45 PM)
I was thinking first portion around 1300.
2nd-800
3rd-500  sweat.gif

Currently still  70% bond 30% equity though.
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Wah.. Until 500? Need or not oh?


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Buy PIX?
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Buy PIX, is the fastest de lo if KLCI up

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 14 2011, 06:54 PM)
Wah.. Until 500? Need or not oh?


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Buy PIX, is the fastest de lo if KLCI up
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Maybe prepare a little bit for 500points kua. Unlikely to happen i guess.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 14 2011, 06:54 PM)
Wah.. Until 500? Need or not oh?
Hm.. Mois' triggers actually do-able leh but tweak a bit lar

1st point triggered bought in
continue falling

2nd point triggered bought in
continue falling BUT doesnt hit 3rd point of 500

Instead goes up past 2nd point's trigger say about 3% higher, buy in lar coz going up (strengthening market) and still of value mar

Worse case if KLCI does fall to 500, bro Mois would have another 33% of ammo to buy biggrin.gif
Tiuk boh? brows.gif

Of course same flexibility can apply if fall doesnt hit 2nd point trigger and same reasoning as above.
Just a thought.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 11:27 AM)
Personally:
Keep on executing and tracking as per planned
1. 50% of $ for equity funds on DCA + VCA no fear / no greed programmatic investments
2. 50% of $ for equity funds awaiting current bearish Trend to get into accumulation trend

What about U? Share share lar - dont just be angry  brows.gif
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I think I know already what is bearish trend (now!).
Just, I wonder how you determine that the bearish "get into accumulation trend" ?
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 14 2011, 07:57 PM)
I think I know already what is bearish trend (now!).
Just, I wonder how you determine that the bearish "get into accumulation trend" ?
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Heheh - different folks have different calculations to arrive at the 6 phases of a cycle (recovery, accumulation, bullish, warning, distribution and bearish) and even different time-length.

Generally, as i'm aware (i may NOT be that AWARE ar tongue.gif), there's:
a. short term (20days+/-)
b. mid term (50 days+/-)
c. long term (200days+/-)

For example talking about KLCI trend:
Based on how the 20days moving average (MA) of KLCI VS 50days MA of KLCI VS current end of day (EOD) of KLCI is, U get the short-mid term trend
Based on how the 50dma VS 200dma VS EOD, U get the mid-long trend

For example of calculation (using the TrendAdvisor book's formula):
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD>200DMA AND 50DMA>200DMA = Warning mid-long trend
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD<200DMA AND 50DMA>200DMA = Distribution mid-long trend
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD<200DMA AND 50DMA<200DMA = Bearish mid-long trend

If U look at the example above, U'll notice the logic (moving from Warning to Bearish) that the fall becomes steeper and steeper.
Similar REVERSE situation for Recovery-->Accumulation-->Bullish

Please note that a trend does NOT go straight down or up, but there is very high probability it'll shift to either "left" or "right" or stay on current trend

REFERENCE: recovery <--> accumulation <--> bullish <--> warning <--> distribution <--> bearish<-->recovery
eg.
Say we're in a bearish trend now
There is high probability that it'll stay in bearish trend (still falling like a stone)
OR slow down while still falling (moving left to distribution)
OR hit bottom and flat line and crawl slowly up (moving right, to recovery)

Note:
+ve trend = recovery (flat line and crawling up), accumulation (steeper climb up), bullish (holy kaka steep climb up)
-ve trend = warning (flat line and crawling down), distribution (steeper fall down), bearish(holy kaka steep fall down)

Quick quiz
Thus, based on probability AND value, the best time to get into equities IF one doesnt have any running investment program is?
AND
if one doesnt have any proper plans (ie. main tikam) when bought in earlier, when would be the best time to get/stay out?
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Oh crap.. i just noticed this thing is in PM thread/topic. Most mutual fund investors arent Trend users but i know some agencies are and some (note only some) are adept at getting their customers in/out of equities and into bonds. Please note that i'm not advocating that U use Trend as a tool blindly. I'm sharing it here for U to digest and see if it fits what U want to learn/use and then go do your own entry/exit plans yar. Your mileage may vary and U may have better methodologies notworthy.gif

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totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?

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Heheh - different folks have different calculations to arrive at the 6 phases of a cycle (recovery, accumulation, bullish, warning, distribution and bearish) and even different time-length.

Generally, as i'm aware (i may NOT be that AWARE ar tongue.gif), there's:
a. short term (20days+/-)
b. mid term (50 days+/-)
c. long term (200days+/-)

For example talking about KLCI trend:
Based on how the 20days moving average (MA) of KLCI VS 50days MA of KLCI VS current end of day (EOD) of KLCI is, U get the short-mid term trend
Based on how the 50dma VS 200dma VS EOD, U get the mid-long trend

For example of calculation (using the TrendAdvisor book's formula):
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD>200DMA AND 50DMA>200DMA = Warning mid-long trend
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD<200DMA AND 50DMA>200DMA = Distribution mid-long trend
IF EOD<50DMA AND EOD<200DMA AND 50DMA<200DMA = Bearish mid-long trend

If U look at the example above, U'll notice the logic (moving from Warning to Bearish) that the fall becomes steeper and steeper.
Similar REVERSE situation for Recovery-->Accumulation-->Bullish

Please note that a trend does NOT go straight down or up, but there is very high probability it'll shift to either "left" or "right" or stay on current trend

REFERENCE: recovery <--> accumulation <--> bullish <--> warning <--> distribution <--> bearish<-->recovery
eg.
Say we're in a bearish trend now
There is high probability that it'll stay in bearish trend (still falling like a stone)
OR slow down while still falling (moving left to distribution)
OR hit bottom and flat line and crawl slowly up (moving right, to recovery)

Note:
+ve trend = recovery (flat line and crawling up), accumulation (steeper climb up), bullish (holy kaka steep climb up)
-ve trend = warning (flat line and crawling down), distribution (steeper fall down), bearish(holy kaka steep fall down)

Quick quiz
Thus, based on probability AND value, the best time to get into equities IF one doesnt have any running investment program is?
AND
if one doesnt have any proper plans (ie. main tikam) when bought in earlier, when would be the best time to get/stay out?
brows.gif

Oh crap.. i just noticed this thing is in PM thread/topic. Most mutual fund investors arent Trend users but i know some agencies are and some (note only some) are adept at getting their customers in/out of equities and into bonds. Please note that i'm not advocating that U use Trend as a tool blindly. I'm sharing it here for U to digest and see if it fits what U want to learn/use and then go do your own entry/exit plans yar. Your mileage may vary and U may have better methodologies  notworthy.gif
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Thanks .... but, I don't really understand ... haha
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 09:19 PM)
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Although I've google what 'moving average' mean, just understand it so-so. So, conclude, its an average of price on the duration.
So, the best time get into equity market is during 'recovery' or 'bearish' period hmm.gif

A good half hour just to understand 1 post rclxub.gif .


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:38 pmCan we get the data for moving average (MA) anywhere or Mr. Wong, you do it with your spreadsheet?

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totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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From QFR, most (NOT ALL) PM equity fund has around 12% annualized return for 10 years.

So, the PROBABILITY is there.

Hopefully, 10 years is a short time for you.
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 14 2011, 07:08 PM)
Maybe prepare a little bit for 500points kua. Unlikely to happen i guess.
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If drop to 500, it will be repeat of 1997, not 2008 already.
That time KLCI 1200 to 200, now 1500 to 500.. 1000 points out of the market.

Coffin shop will be opened 24/7 because there will be a lot of people giving business already, lolz.

I had a few personal friend who is investing with me, now waiting to poach for the good chance. Also same plan, the fund split to 3 part, no DCA in this case.
Once reach 125x, first 33% in.
Then, 1100, another 33%
Below 1000, another 33%

Goes below 800, OD and other financial support tools will come in to hoot..

I believe if he hug this for around 2 years.. Will become half millionaire.
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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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ya,its was proven by some funds. the returns wil higher then EPF over the time.

PM me if u need any guides. go to EPF scheme in my signature.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 14 2011, 10:48 PM)
ya,its was proven by some funds. the returns wil higher then EPF over the time.

PM me if u need any guides.  go to EPF scheme in my signature.
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EPF no use already lar.
Those who got EPF, u can opt to cash them out and put them into mutual fund already (But with a condition, invest at the right timing)

The reason I encourage you to cash out EPF is because EPF is being abused by the high ranking people.
EPF is used to fried shares that are held by cronies. Eating up at premium prices. This is very pathetic, because those are our money.

2008 to 2010, market return more than 70% in general, some reaching more than 100%, but what did EPF give u back in return? The latest yield is 5%++.. Don't you think this is pathetic? How they use your money to joke around.

But remember.. Any investment, do not do it in a hastily manner. Timing is important. If you are greedy now, you are going to eat your own greediness only.

Timing is the key.. Remember.
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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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Good precaution, any investments U do with EPF, even for paying down mortgage or education with A/c 2 should beat 5%pa with a healthy margin.

Having said that, some funds do perform better & some worse than EPF's 5%, based on historical performances of 3, 5 and 10 years. Be aware that one loses 0.25% to 3% straight away when moving $ from EPF to mutual funds. Thus, time * good long term performing funds are required to beat 5%pa compounded.


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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 14 2011, 10:36 PM)
Although I've google what 'moving average' mean, just understand it so-so. So, conclude, its an average of price on the duration.
So, the best time get into equity market is during 'recovery' or 'bearish' period  hmm.gif

A good half hour just to understand 1 post  rclxub.gif .


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:38 pmCan we get the data for moving average (MA) anywhere or Mr. Wong, you do it with your spreadsheet?
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Hehe sorry yar. I usually don't spoon feed, thus I expect ppl to Google a bit for basic stuff like moving averages tongue.gif. TQ for taking the time & effort to understand.

Best time to get in based totally on Trend = accumulation phase
Coz either left/right/stay in same phase = still going up, remember the high probabilities?

Best time to get in based on Trend & value = recovery phase. U r spot on
Best time to get out based totally on Trend = distribution phase
Coz either left/right/stay in same phase = still going down.

Raw data for personal tracking of trends can be from newspapers for KLCI EOD points or exported from stock booking online systems. For specific mutual funds trend, U can get NAV from online or yr agent with access to price history system. Throw these EOD / NAV into an Excel and cook tongue.gif. Please be aware when cooking fund's NAV that the during distribution of dividends, it will does the trend downwards & thus, U may get faked out that it's in a -ve trend

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How Value Investing Works in Unit Trusts?
Value investing was first introduced by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd in 1928. It has been well-practiced by one of the world most famous investor, the Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway- Warren Buffet. How can investors be like Warren Buffet when comes to unit trust investment? Find out more here.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1592
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QUOTE(milentechie @ Sep 16 2011, 07:58 AM)
Sharing one article .

How Value Investing Works in Unit Trusts?
Value investing was first introduced by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd in 1928. It has been well-practiced by one of the world most famous investor, the Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway- Warren Buffet. How can investors be like Warren Buffet when comes to unit trust investment? Find out more here.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1592
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Nice - especially on looking at the fund's underlying theme/benchmark index/stocks.
IMHO, a fund is too convoluted to evaluate value - heck stocks already tough to evaluate, think of a basket of stocks AND U only know these basket of stocks AFTER the fund house prints & send U the quarterly reports! Thus, looking at the fund's underlying theme/benchmark index/stocks is one of the best & fastest way to judge value.

However I suspect they skewed the article for "advertising & marketing" purposes
Note that they showed the UPSIDE potential only in their table, where's the downside potential?
Sorry to nitpick but as a cautious and value investor, methinks one should also look at the down side - like momma says, Look left AND right before crossing the road tongue.gif

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Hi

I'm interested in doing DDI for my equity fund
however can i do a DDI from a bond fund? how much is the service change for a DDI from bond fund to unit trust?

but firstly is that even possible?

my agent recommended me to open a unit trust and a bond fund. so i can transfer money from both funds.
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Hi

I'm interested in doing DDI for my equity fund
however can i do a DDI from a bond fund? how much is the service change for a DDI from bond fund to unit trust?

but firstly is that even possible?

my agent recommended me to open a unit trust and a bond fund. so i can transfer money from both funds.
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DDI is from your saving account to your unit trust either to be equity/bond/money market fund.

No service charge for DDI.
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but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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hmm maybe its not called DDI. she said instead of doing DDI from savings, just transfer money monthly from bond fund to equity.
i cant rmb the benefits already.

but if it acts as normal transaction, i still need to pay rm 25 right?

might as well i do DDI right?
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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:36 PM)
hmm maybe its not called DDI. she said instead of doing DDI from savings, just transfer money monthly from bond fund to equity.
i cant rmb the benefits already.

but if it acts as normal transaction, i still need to pay rm 25 right?

might as well i do DDI right?
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Paying RM 25 is called switching not DDI.

Switching is to transfer certain units from one fund to another fund. Basically for investors to lock paper profit or to change portfolio due to change in market momentum.
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hmmm ok. i guess i just do the normal DDI and not do dollar cost averaging by switching rm 200 from bond to equity

btw what do u mean lock paper profit? smile.gif
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hmmm ok. i guess i just do the normal DDI and not do dollar cost averaging by switching rm 200 from bond to equity

btw what do u mean lock paper profit? smile.gif
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DCA can be done by frequently topping up into a particular fund such as performing a DDI (every 8th or 18th) or manual top up in monthly basis.

DCA, DDI and switching are totally different concepts. Please understand each of them before doing anything. There's a min amount to adhere before a successful switching can be done. Switching from bond fund to equity fund will also impose 5.5% service charge since the units are low-loaded units.

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hmmm kk noted smile.gif thanks alot mate. great help smile.gif rclxms.gif
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I plan to buy a new equity fund and have a DDI for it. My agent suggest me to buy PUBLIC SOUTH-EAST ASIA SELECT FUND. But, when I check performance of the fund, seems like Total return of the fund since Commencement till end-date is not really good. I know that 1 of reason is, it launch at 2007.

May I have some comment on the fund? Thanks...
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oh btw is it recommended to take an agent that is provided by the bank itself or outside as in freelance or under another agency?
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I plan to buy a new equity fund and have a DDI for it. My agent suggest me to buy PUBLIC SOUTH-EAST ASIA SELECT FUND. But, when I check performance of the fund, seems like Total return of the fund since Commencement till end-date is not really good. I know that 1 of reason is, it launch at 2007.

May I have some comment on the fund? Thanks...
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I have PSEASF and I think its current NAV still above its IPO. Most of offshore funds from PM aren't doing that well. Some even has NAV below 0.2500

PSEASF is investing heavily in Singapore and Indonesia. If you're confident over these countries in the future, then you can consider them.


Added on September 19, 2011, 12:21 am
QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 11:04 PM)
oh btw is it recommended to take an agent that is provided by the bank itself or outside as in freelance or under another agency?
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Doesn't matter as long as he/she provides you with adequate service and support.

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DDI is from your saving account to your unit trust either to be equity/bond/money market fund.

No service charge for DDI.
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I do believe that all DDI or any AI will incurred the same SC 5.5% for equity / 0.25% for bond.

QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:31 PM)
but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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When enter bond fund, you will be charged 0.25% SC, then if you do monthly transfer from bond to equity, there will be another SC of 5.5%.
Make sure you do this by filling up a form of transferring monthly from bond fund to equity fund to avoid switching fees.

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 19 2011, 08:48 AM)
I do believe that all DDI or any AI will incurred the same SC 5.5% for equity / 0.25% for bond.
When enter bond fund, you will be charged 0.25% SC, then if you do monthly transfer from bond to equity, there will be another SC of 5.5%.
Make sure you do this by filling up a form of transferring monthly from bond fund to equity fund to avoid switching fees.
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The service charge I meant is referring to Public Bank imposes on the DDI; not referring to the 5.5%/0.25% for buying the unit trust.

Your second statement is little confusing. If you're switching low-loaded units, you'll be charged for service charge. Otherwise, only RM 25 switching fee is imposed. Switching in and out is not advisable since you'll be charged RM 25 per switching and needs to meet min amount.

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Market bearish signal triggered..
No rush no rush..

Understanding the market is very important. Entry timing is very important. Enter blindly = KO straight.

If u ask agent, agent sure say good buy, but not knowing it is good bye..

Lolz...
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 12:29 PM)
Market bearish signal triggered..
No rush no rush..

Understanding the market is very important. Entry timing is very important. Enter blindly = KO straight.

If u ask agent, agent sure say good buy, but not knowing it is good bye..

Lolz...
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If going thru RCA using DDI, should be ok, rite?
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Can.. but do that non stop for 10 years then can see effect.

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The service charge I meant is referring to Public Bank imposes on the DDI; not referring to the 5.5%/0.25% for buying the unit trust.

Your second statement is little confusing. If you're switching low-loaded units, you'll be charged for service charge. Otherwise, only RM 25 switching fee is imposed. Switching in and out is not advisable since you'll be charged RM 25 per switching and needs to meet min amount.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding on the Public Bank imposes DDI.

For the second statement, what I meant is when somebody do lump sump into bond and from bond monthly/quarterly transferred into equity.
I've seen this kind of form before, I've could be mistaken though.
When we do something like this, we only be charge for SC not another RM25 for switching.

For normal switching from bond to equity for the first time will impose 5.5%+RM25.

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 19 2011, 01:57 PM)
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the Public Bank imposes DDI.

For the second statement, what I meant is when somebody do lump sump into bond and  from bond monthly/quarterly transferred into equity.
I've seen this kind of form before, I've could be mistaken though.
When we do something like this, we only be charge for SC not another RM25 for switching.

For normal switching from bond to equity for the first time will impose 5.5%+RM25.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 01:29 PM)
Market bearish signal triggered..
No rush no rush..

Understanding the market is very important. Entry timing is very important. Enter blindly = KO straight.

If u ask agent, agent sure say good buy, but not knowing it is good bye..

Lolz...
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hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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i think he mean still a fresh bear, still got time to let the market drop. no need to kanchiong first
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1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 09:20 PM)
1413.12 for today's KLCI closing.

Time to go for PIX?
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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 19 2011, 09:17 PM)
hey what do u mean no rush no rush as the bearish signal triggered? then wait for bull?
i thought its better to to open unit trust during bear?
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Yes, good during bears, but not a fresh bear play..
Go on fresh bear = bear's dinner

Go on full and saturated bear = bear's killer moment...

Let the bear eat their meal now.. Don't rush in like other..
Bull will not come in a bang. There will be side way trending before a bull.. Be patient.. Catch the right moment when the bear is almost full.. Then they will go and sleep. That is the time to kill bear


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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 19 2011, 11:12 PM)
What is PIX?
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Public Index Fund..

Index related. The index is KLCI.

KLCI got 30 big counters that is used to represent Malaysia economy.
They are big caps counter, with at least 5bil market capital.

PIX invest in all these 30 counters.

Index up, PIX up.. Index down, PIX down..

So fastest to rebound is also PIX counter.

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 11:38 PM)
Yes, good during bears, but not a fresh bear play..
Go on fresh bear = bear's dinner

Go on full and saturated bear = bear's killer moment...
I think I'm already become bear's dinner doh.gif
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 20 2011, 07:19 AM)
I think I'm already become bear's dinner  doh.gif
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Thanks Koinibler for being bear bait - now the hunter killers can move in AFTER the bear is full and zzz tongue.gif
Joking! Joking! Pls dont use that voodoo doll on me notworthy.gif

The trend is your friend until the end (when it turns). BTW, most people, including me previously, thinks that Trend analysis = predicting the future. It isnt - it's just seen how the tides ebb & flows, thus, knowing when to go out to sea for crazy fishing or anchor the boats / do anchovies fishing brows.gif
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What is the sign for full and saturated bear?
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 10:38 AM)
What is the sign for full and saturated bear?
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Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 10:56 AM)
Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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Careful not to bite the bear with too big a mouthful wor as another dip may occur within months 'ala 1997 & 1998
Being clawed to death by bear WHILE mouthful of bear fur isnt fun tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 20 2011, 11:06 AM)
Careful not to bite the bear with too big a mouthful wor as another dip may occur within months 'ala 1997 & 1998
Being clawed to death by bear WHILE mouthful of bear fur isnt fun  tongue.gif
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Means attack the wrong bear already lo.
The bear half full, just stop for a while to digest before starting a new munching session..

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 10:56 AM)
Share market is like you feasting.
Once python finished feasting, what will python do? Sleep
Bear, once finished munching, will sleep or rest..

So sleep or rest = side way. Not much movement at the bottom. (This is the time we open mouth to hamtam)

Wait for the side way after the big dip..
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Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:09 AM)
Means attack the wrong bear already lo.
The bear half full, just stop for a while to digest before starting a new munching session..
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It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?


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It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?
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Mois - perhaps we can learn from "Friday the 13th" and other horror shows here. ie
1. When see dead bear, dont assume dead
2. Shoot the damn bear a few times first, preferably head shots, from afar and have the car engine running (ie. put in a % of investment $ and get ready to run/counter)
3. See any "bad" reaction - as in it jumps and tries to run at U?
No? good, go to 4.
Yes? run like hell since U are far enough and have a car already started to outrun it and repeat step 1.
4. Go nearer and chop the bloody bear's head off + burn the carcass, then celebrate (ie. put the some left over % of investment $ in)
5. Watch out for bear's family members coming for revenge! (ie. thus U arent celebrating your smartness until die also dunno what happened)
6. WHEN not IF, the bear's family member comes - repeat step 1. again

Lots of things we can learn from movies hor tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
Oh i get it. Let me give an example. Say KLCI stop moving at 1200points at +-<0.5%. That time we accumulate alot. But what happen if it drop to another level? sit tight ah? Or wanna cut lose again?
That is why I say split it to few stages. Use KLCI as benchmark.
Once reach, example.. 1200, first pump. Probably 33%. Or whatever ratio you would like to do.

QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:32 AM)
It might be really dangerous if we attack the wrong bear. So better still buying in stages right?
Yea, buying in stages to spread the risk


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Mois - perhaps we can learn from "Friday the 13th" and other horror shows here. ie
1. When see dead bear, dont assume dead
2. Shoot the damn bear a few times first, preferably head shots, from afar and have the car engine running (ie. put in a % of investment $ and get ready to run/counter)
3. See any "bad" reaction - as in it jumps and tries to run at U?
No? good, go to 4.
Yes? run like hell since U are far enough and have a car already started to outrun it and repeat step 1.
4. Go nearer and chop the bloody bear's head off + burn the carcass, then celebrate (ie. put the some left over % of investment $ in)
5. Watch out for bear's family members coming for revenge! (ie. thus U arent celebrating your smartness until die also dunno what happened)
6. WHEN not IF, the bear's family member comes - repeat step 1. again

Lots of things we can learn from movies hor  tongue.gif
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Wong, I had to agreed I damn like this expression of Bear game here. Hahaha.. Thumbs up for this illustration.

Yeap, when you see a bear, don't finish your ammunition in one bear.. You might be able to kill him for a period, but you won't know if the family, relatives and friends are behind, or surrounding you. If you finish all ammunition at 1 bear, what about the others? Haha. Sure get raped already.

There are a few strategies for different type of investor.

If you do not want to think so much, you can split it to 33% in 3 stages, or 4 stages at 25% each.

But if you are a person who anticipate more fall to come, but at the mean time, you do not want to miss out any chances from the rebound (Just in case), then you might want to allocate your strategy in pumping into the market in a triangle shape.

1st initial pump, 20%.
If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
Continue to go lower, 50%.

In this manner, you will not miss out if there is a rebound after your 20% cash in.. But at the mean time, you are prepared for it to go lower for more capital flowing in..

Just my 2 cents sharing.


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:53 AM)
If you do not want to think so much, you can split it to 33% in 3 stages, or 4 stages at 25% each.

But if you are a person who anticipate more fall to come, but at the mean time, you do not want to miss out any chances from the rebound (Just in case), then you might want to allocate your strategy in pumping into the market in a triangle shape.

1st initial pump, 20%.
If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
Continue to go lower, 50%.

In this manner, you will not miss out if there is a rebound after your 20% cash in.. But at the mean time, you are prepared for it to go lower for more capital flowing in..
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by "triangle shape" you mean this?;

> 1st initial pump, 20%.
> If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
> Continue to go lower, 50%.

How you determine a gap between point?

1400
1200
1000 ? Good?

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 20 2011, 07:11 PM)
There's so much to interpret on Mr Wong slay a bear analogy hmm.gif
by "triangle shape" you mean this?;

> 1st initial pump, 20%.
> If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
> Continue to go lower, 50%.

How you determine a gap between point?

1400
1200
1000 ? Good?
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Own customization.

You can put 1300, 1000, 500..
Don't have a model de lar.. Depends on your own appetite and risk.

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 07:33 PM)
Own customization.

You can put 1300, 1000, 500..
Don't have a model de lar.. Depends on your own appetite and risk.
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Just for a "feel":

1997 to end 1998 drop, from top / max point --> to bottom point, was about 80%
2008 to end 2008 drop, from top / max point --> to bottom point, was about 40%

Corrections are "usually" about 20% drops, the above are NOT corrections but major impact thinggies
Note - we are now about 11%+ drop from top / max point of KLCI

Thus, U can take a queue from those based on one's risk/reward appetite. icon_rolleyes.gif
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So Wong, what is your targeted point of entry?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 09:06 PM)
So Wong, what is your targeted point of entry?
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Eh? For Trend/Value or my quarterly buta DCA+VCA (TwinVest)?
heheh TwinVest still chugging along every quarter - bit by bit ($xxK EPF held in PSBF + $xK Cash allocated per qtr)
No fear, no timing, just value averaging (75%) mostly blush.gif
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for Trend/Value opportunity - when mid-long Trend Accumulation phase in my own calculation tongue.gif.
No idea when the KLCI will by then though - hehe, no idea until KLCI reaches it.

Then i jump in 50% of of allocated $xxk EPF held in PSBF.
Another 50% if Accumulation phase goes on for 3 months AND 1st entry makes net profit %

EXIT both if Trend reverses from Accumulation-->Recovery-->Bearish
OR Trend goes on from Accumulation --> Bullish --> Warning --> Distribution
Scary ride heheh tongue.gif

Gambate!
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Oh,ok. Yea, u did inform u do vca.
That is why v call u wong sifu la. Haha.

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For easier part, we follow wong's footstep. He enter, we enter. He cabut, we cabut. U lose money, your problem laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:12 PM)
For easier part, we follow wong's footstep. He enter, we enter. He cabut, we cabut. U lose money, your problem  laugh.gif
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He blindly VCA lar.. Haha, because he started long long ago..
If you are new, probably can wait for good moment, then pump in..
Spread it lo..
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How to withdraw some of PUBLIC MUTUAL FUND ?

This place (ulu) don't have public mutual centre.

I got public mutual online though. Is it possible to withdraw via online ? How to do it ? Transfer to my Public bank...
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 21 2011, 06:48 AM)
How to withdraw some of PUBLIC MUTUAL FUND ?

This place (ulu) don't have public mutual centre.

I got public mutual online though. Is it possible to withdraw via online ? How to do it ? Transfer to my Public bank...
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You can do it using Public Mutual Online under Transaction Requests>Repurchase
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 20 2011, 11:12 PM)
For easier part, we follow wong's footstep. He enter, we enter. He cabut, we cabut. U lose money, your problem  laugh.gif
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Wah liao eh Mois, dont lar "put me on the table" sweat.gif
Like i shared earlier - i dont trust a methodology 100%, thus i'm splitting my investments entry/exit into 2 approaches/methodologies
a. Programmatic (no fear/greed)
+Entry based on TwinVest and amount allocated per program (eg. EPF PAGF, EPF PSSF)
+Exit based on per transaction's net profit of more than >=xx% within 1 yr
OR >=yy%pa if held more than 1 year
SWITCH back to PSBF cost +10%pa expected returns, let the abnormal net profits continue riding
thus win in terms of lowered risk/exposure since abnormal profits liao
+ win in terms of letting the abnormal profits continue going up if the market still bullish

b. Trend / Value
as per earlier posting's (Post #431) Entries & Exits

I'm trying to simplify as much as possible thus any of my family/relatives/friends and even my little girl can do it when she's older biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:37 PM)
He blindly VCA lar.. Haha, because he started long long ago..
If you are new, probably can wait for good moment, then pump in..
Spread it lo..
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Yup yup - i've got a buddy that wants to start with his EPF now.
We've laid out the plans and accumulating ammo in his PSBF
to start 2 TwinVest programs when KLCI goes into Recovery phase
& Trend into PIX, when in Accumulation phase.

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hi all, I'm not sure if now is the right time to buy more units for the fund that I have. From what I understand so far is that once the NAV drops, it's a good deed to buy more units.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. blush.gif
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 10:34 AM)
hi all, I'm not sure if now is the right time to buy more units for the fund that I have. From what I understand so far is that once the NAV drops, it's a good deed to buy more units.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. blush.gif
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Of course it is good to buy when it drops because it is cheap. But question is, how cheap is cheap?
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cheaper than the first time when i bought? that should consider a good deal right?
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 10:49 AM)
cheaper than the first time when i bought? that should consider a good deal right?
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 10:34 AM)
hi all, I'm not sure if now is the right time to buy more units for the fund that I have. From what I understand so far is that once the NAV drops, it's a good deed to buy more units.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. blush.gif
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Definitely once the price drop below your average buy price it is good to topup to average down, in the long run if you continuously do so, it is easier to gain profit.
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i also understand that we're supposed to set a goal when we invest. Can someone explain this to me? blush.gif
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KLCI up 9 points at the moment.
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 10:49 AM)
cheaper than the first time when i bought? that should consider a good deal right?
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Like this, you will be very busy buying already.. Haha.
Remember to set a strategy, don't sai lang everything.

Now u see it is cheap, down the road, it can be cheaper.

Then another few more months, even cheaper.

So best is, enter stage by stage.


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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 11:57 AM)
i also understand that we're supposed to set a goal when we invest. Can someone explain this to me? blush.gif
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For me, 'goal' is when you wanna repurchase back the fund!

Bigger goal should be a fund for your retirement or for your kids education!
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 21 2011, 12:04 PM)
KLCI up 9 points at the moment.
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May I know how one determine support/resistance line?
Sometimes when I read, its stated 1420, sometime 1415 rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 21 2011, 12:04 PM)
KLCI up 9 points at the moment.
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This is just a technical rebound during a bear game..
Reverse gear is on already now smile.gif
Riding down again smile.gif Let's welcome 1399 soon
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hmm.. i am planning to get the latest launch fund, PSEASF. but my agent fren ask me to take a more stable such as the small cap and the regular saving.. can gimme some suggestions?

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QUOTE(Carls_Nemesis @ Sep 21 2011, 03:49 PM)
hmm.. i am planning to get the latest launch fund, PSEASF. but my agent fren ask me to take a more stable such as the small cap and the regular saving.. can gimme some suggestions?
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You may red the comment here by David.
QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 12:20 AM)
I have PSEASF and I think its current NAV still above its IPO. Most of offshore funds from PM aren't doing that well. Some even has NAV below 0.2500

PSEASF is investing heavily in Singapore and Indonesia. If you're confident over these countries in the future, then you can consider them.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 21 2011, 03:35 PM)
This is just a technical rebound during a bear game..
Reverse gear is on already now smile.gif
Riding down again smile.gif Let's welcome 1399 soon
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9 points up = how many % ar? tongue.gif

Spot on bro.
Visualization (PG18 for graphical goriness):
Bear food / victim is running like crazy, just managed to get slightly out of reach of the bear's claw for now,
AFTER being clawed and bitten 11%+ of body parts (ie. missing a hand and arm?)

Can the bear food / victim continue out running the bear
OR
Bear's claw / teeth going to get the fler again for another toe/finger/arm?
laugh.gif

Closing 8.4 points up, but in % = 0.6% of KLCI nya shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 11:57 AM)
i also understand that we're supposed to set a goal when we invest. Can someone explain this to me? blush.gif
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when u invest, u should have set a target profit to exit eg. 10 or 20% profit before sell it back. Lesson I learnt is that don't be too greedy and set your exit target clear. i keep my fund for few years where i can actually make profit out of it if I sell few months earlier, but now cry.gif
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QUOTE(ahter @ Sep 21 2011, 04:35 PM)
when u invest, u should have set a target profit to exit eg. 10 or 20% profit before sell it back. Lesson I learnt is that don't be too greedy and set your exit target clear. i keep my fund for few years where i can actually make profit out of it if I sell few months earlier, but now cry.gif
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If sell it (REPURCHASE) to Public Bank Account, got CHARGES ?


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If sell it (REPURCHASE) to Public Bank Account, got CHARGES ?
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NO
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QUOTE(ahter @ Sep 21 2011, 04:35 PM)
when u invest, u should have set a target profit to exit eg. 10 or 20% profit before sell it back. Lesson I learnt is that don't be too greedy and set your exit target clear. i keep my fund for few years where i can actually make profit out of it if I sell few months earlier, but now cry.gif
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Right. I think that is why i am lost. I invested blindly and kept on pumping in money every month. Right now I want to set it right, any advice? cry.gif
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sort only post by wongmunkeong and Bonescythe is a good start biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 08:54 PM)
Right. I think that is why i am lost. I invested blindly and kept on pumping in money every month. Right now I want to set it right, any advice?  cry.gif
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When lost or in hole, stop and get your bearings first.
May i suggest back to basics?
Things like $ mgt, risk mgt, Asset Allocation, Target/Goal setting for investments (time horizon, how much per month/qtr/year to allocate to what & how much expecting returns on average yearly, Entries & Exits (how to execute all the above).


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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 21 2011, 09:12 PM)
sort only post by wongmunkeong and Bonescythe is a good start  biggrin.gif
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Koinibler - hehe, dont lar "put me on table". Bonescythe lar, he's the sifu in equities and funds. I'm a "newbie" comparatively (with vivid imagination & visions, especially about bears & Jason from Fri13) laugh.gif

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this is my investment strategy for my Public funds:

When the market is up: If the value of my fund is 15% > my investment cost, take profit and switch to bond funds. Will take profit every 15% on the way up.

When the market is down: Will invest more if the NAV is 8 - 10% down from the avg purchase price. Will top up every 8 - 10% on the way down.

Side way market: Just let the fund on auto cruise.

Is this strategy workable? Been using this method since '07.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 21 2011, 09:15 PM)
When lost or in hole, stop and get your bearings first.
May i suggest back to basics?
Things like $ mgt, risk mgt, Asset Allocation, Target/Goal setting for investments (time horizon, how much per month/qtr/year to allocate to what & how much expecting returns on average yearly, Entries & Exits (how to execute all the above).
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I don't mind going back to basics. Does that mean I should sell all my units and only invest after studying?
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 08:54 PM)
Right. I think that is why i am lost. I invested blindly and kept on pumping in money every month. Right now I want to set it right, any advice?  cry.gif
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which fund and how many yrs u invest this way, DDI?
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 09:59 PM)
I don't mind going back to basics. Does that mean I should sell all my units and only invest after studying?
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BlueSilver - i'm sorry i dont have a black/white solution for U. I'm not U and in your specific situation.

However, having said that, U may want to switch your equity funds (or at least 50%) back to bond funds WHILE U learn/plan ahead.
IMHO being in equities when one doesnt really know what's happening is akin to driving a car (people usually take classes to handle the power)
VS being in bonds is like running (more dangerous than walking as U are going faster and need to be more alert)
VS being in FD is like walking (er... really basic basics)

Just to share what i did when i found myself "lost" donkey years ago (things relating to mutual funds only, stocks/REITs are another story heheh):
a. I SWITCHED ALL my funds back to Bond Funds
b. While i went back back to basics to learning, testing, tracking
+ $ mgt & risk mgt: these 2 are the biggest impact that shaped my approach now). BTW, U cant manage what U dont track & dont have plans/goals for tongue.gif

+ Asset Allocation: some major stats/research points to Asset Allocation being the biggest impact to a total portfolio, not stock picking or funds picking. Looks to me holistic planning, tracking & managing is the way to go. 2nd biggest impact to my approach now.

+Methodologies / Entry & Exit rules

c. Built my goals/plans
+knowing how much i want/need for my goals
+Asset Allocation + selection of vehicles based on average expected returns pa to reach my goals
+Methodologies / Entry & Exit plans to execute the above
Value investing & programmatic investing
Based on the methodologies i've put $ in to test (only about 2 to 3 years, not 10 yar tongue.gif) + simulated via Excel's random numbers for pricing, these 2 fits my personality (chicken + simpleton).
Value - coz i love bargains and there's less probability for much % drop
Programmatic - coz i needed something else than Value, which has a human-trigger, thus emotions like fear & greed can cloud judgement

Your mileage may vary notworthy.gif

BTW, dont worry about "missing the boat"
Prices/NAV go up slow but falls fast (think gravity)
Think 1998 sloooooow climb up after ASIAN Currency Crisis
then buta kena whacked by US DOT COM bust sharp down 2001
then slow climb up to 2006/2007
then sharp whack down by Credit Crunch Crisis & US Property Bubble 2008
then slow climb back to end 2010
then sharp whack down mid 2011
phew.. just trying to make a point going down = fast, going up = slow



Added on September 22, 2011, 8:05 am
QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 21 2011, 09:35 PM)
this is my investment strategy for my Public funds:

When the market is up: If the value of my fund is 15% > my investment cost, take profit and switch to bond funds. Will take profit every 15% on the way up.

When the market is down: Will invest more if the NAV is 8 - 10% down from the avg purchase price. Will top up every 8 - 10% on the way down.

Side way market: Just let the fund on auto cruise.

Is this strategy workable? Been using this method since '07.
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Jutamind, looks good - holistic enough as long as U couple that approach to a fund house that has "good enough" equity and bond funds rclxms.gif

Just a thought:
IF the market trends up for 8 years SLOWLY after a crash (eg. end 1998 to 2006) ,
the NAV will not go down,
thus U dont participate/buy in (yr current methodology averages down only when 8%-10% down from your TOTAL AVERAGE PURCHASED PRICE)
U may miss a MAJOR part of gains and time lost.

No righter-right or wronger wrong ar. Best methodologies are those that fits one's personality, attitude and time/effort to be spent on donkey things like investing notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Sep 22 2011, 08:12 AM
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i have improved the Edu/Retirement spreadsheet with

a) 2nd child education
b) yearly savings

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 22 2011, 08:19 AM)
Wong

i have improved the Edu/Retirement spreadsheet with

a) 2nd child education
b) yearly savings

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Gold sifu Phophetjul, share share lar yr modded worksheet
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 22 2011, 08:33 AM)
Gold sifu Phophetjul, share share lar yr modded worksheet
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How you attach ar? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 22 2011, 08:34 AM)
How you attach ar?  biggrin.gif
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Zip the Excel first
Then under the posting , there's a File Attachment area.
Click on Browse, select zip file
Then click on Add This File
All above Add Reply button
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how much money shud put in when do DDI? someone told me tat DDI rm100 hardly see the result but at least RM300.
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DDI frm PB bank it self need pay monthly fee?
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how much money shud put in when do DDI? someone told me tat DDI rm100 hardly see the result but at least RM300.
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depend...
if invest 1k, DDI 100 then ok, cos is about 10% of ur investment...
but if ur investment is 5k, DDI RM100 will not affect much...
and also, if u got 3 a/c, each DDI RM100, each month aldy RM300...

DDI based on that investor cashflow...if got extra free cash flow, the js top up some...

what i practice is,i will submit 2 DDI for 1 a/c, which is 8 & 18 of the month...
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 22 2011, 07:59 AM)
BlueSilver - i'm sorry i dont have a black/white solution for U. I'm not U and in your specific situation.

However, having said that, U may want to switch your equity funds (or at least 50%) back to bond funds WHILE U learn/plan ahead.
IMHO being in equities when one doesnt really know what's happening is akin to driving a car (people usually take classes to handle the power)
VS being in bonds is like running (more dangerous than walking as U are going faster and need to be more alert)
VS being in FD is like walking (er... really basic basics)

Just to share what i did when i found myself "lost" donkey years ago (things relating to mutual funds only, stocks/REITs are another story heheh):
a. I SWITCHED ALL my funds back to Bond Funds
b. While i went back back to basics to learning, testing, tracking
+ $ mgt & risk mgt: these 2 are the biggest impact that shaped my approach now). BTW, U cant manage what U dont track & dont have plans/goals for tongue.gif

+ Asset Allocation: some major stats/research points to Asset Allocation being the biggest impact to a total portfolio, not stock picking or funds picking. Looks to me holistic planning, tracking & managing is the way to go. 2nd biggest impact to my approach now.

+Methodologies / Entry & Exit rules

c. Built my goals/plans
+knowing how much i want/need for my goals
+Asset Allocation + selection of vehicles based on average expected returns pa to reach my goals
+Methodologies / Entry & Exit plans to execute the above
Value investing & programmatic investing
Based on the methodologies i've put $ in to test (only about 2 to 3 years, not 10 yar tongue.gif) + simulated via Excel's random numbers for pricing, these 2 fits my personality (chicken + simpleton).
Value - coz i love bargains and there's less probability for much % drop
Programmatic - coz i needed something else than Value, which has a human-trigger, thus emotions like fear & greed can cloud judgement

Your mileage may vary  notworthy.gif

BTW, dont worry about "missing the boat"
Prices/NAV go up slow but falls fast (think gravity)
Think 1998 sloooooow climb up after ASIAN Currency Crisis
then buta kena whacked by US DOT COM bust sharp down 2001
then slow climb up to 2006/2007
then sharp whack down by Credit Crunch Crisis & US Property Bubble 2008
then slow climb back to end 2010
then sharp whack down mid 2011
phew.. just trying to make a point going down = fast, going up = slow

Added on September 22, 2011, 8:05 am
Jutamind, looks good - holistic enough as long as U couple that approach to a fund house that has "good enough" equity and bond funds rclxms.gif 

Just a thought:
IF the market trends up for 8 years SLOWLY after a crash (eg. end 1998 to 2006) ,
the NAV will not go down,
thus U dont participate/buy in (yr current methodology averages down only when 8%-10% down from your TOTAL AVERAGE PURCHASED PRICE)
U may miss a MAJOR part of gains and time lost.

No righter-right or wronger wrong ar. Best methodologies are those that fits one's personality, attitude and time/effort to be spent on donkey things like investing  notworthy.gif
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Hi Mr. Wong, thanks for the long explanation. I will definitely sit down and study all this before proceeding any further. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 22 2011, 12:03 PM)
Hi Mr. Wong, thanks for the long explanation. I will definitely sit down and study all this before proceeding any further.  thumbup.gif
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whoa.. pls no MR mr here. Mr Wong's my daddy tongue.gif
er.. my apologies for the long winded post yar - i couldnt really think of a way to simplify for absorption yet summarize
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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 22 2011, 12:00 PM)
DDI frm PB bank it self need pay monthly fee?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 22 2011, 07:59 AM)
Just a thought:
IF the market trends up for 8 years SLOWLY after a crash (eg. end 1998 to 2006) ,
the NAV will not go down,
thus U dont participate/buy in (yr current methodology averages down only when 8%-10% down from your TOTAL AVERAGE PURCHASED PRICE)
U may miss a MAJOR part of gains and time lost.

No righter-right or wronger wrong ar. Best methodologies are those that fits one's personality, attitude and time/effort to be spent on donkey things like investing  notworthy.gif
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Hmm, havent thot of what is the appropriate way of investing for long period of slow climb up. so far, havent invested in my Public funds since '08 until last month. Was taking profit along the way before this....

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hi sifus,

i invested in PAUEF 2 years ago and i recently received a "Summary of Final Distribution for Finanial Year Ended 2011"
Attached with it is a voucher and it says...
The Malaysian Income Tax deducted as above has been or will be accounted for by us to the Director-General of Inland Revenue Malaysia. Please retain this voucher for submission to the tax authorities.

Can anyone explain to me more about this voucher?

Thank you all in advance.
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If use other bank to REINVESTMENT for Public Mutual, (eg. CIMB), how much is the charges ?
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I've a question here, hope sifu and sijie can assist...

let's say there's one retiree who wants to invest using EPF. Can he withdraw any amount of $ and only being charge for the 3% service charge to invest in Mutual Fund?
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 22 2011, 10:23 PM)
If use other bank to REINVESTMENT for Public Mutual, (eg. CIMB), how much is the charges ?
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What do you mean?
Are you asking for Direct Debit Instruction or?
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QUOTE(teng_08 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:19 PM)
hi sifus,

i invested in PAUEF 2 years ago and i recently received a "Summary of Final Distribution for Finanial Year Ended 2011"
Attached with it is a voucher and it says...
The Malaysian Income Tax deducted as above has been or will be accounted for by us to the Director-General of Inland Revenue Malaysia. Please retain this voucher for submission to the tax authorities.

Can anyone explain to me more about this voucher?

Thank you all in advance.
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ur distribution after the tax deduction. u not need to pay any tax for capital gain/dividedns from UT. but u still need to declare the dividedns.
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QUOTE(thugs @ Sep 22 2011, 10:25 PM)
I've a question here, hope sifu and sijie can assist...

let's say there's one retiree who wants to invest using EPF. Can he withdraw any amount of $ and only being charge for the 3% service charge to invest in Mutual Fund?
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i think, if retiree after 55 yrs old. EPF cannot hold their money, retiree can withdraw how much they want and the sservice charge shouldn't be 3%. it should be 5.5%. concider cash investment. EPF scheme only up to 55 yrs old.
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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Sep 22 2011, 10:23 PM)
If use other bank to REINVESTMENT for Public Mutual, (eg. CIMB), how much is the charges ?
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I know Maybank charge RM1 for every DDI, maybe CIMB is also the same.

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If I'm using PBE online transaction to PM Fund (instead of using PMO), I just need to key in my PM fund a/c nos and amount only, rite? This will be consider as Additional Investment (AI), rite? How long does the transaction take to be shown in my PMO a/c?
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Market heading for a plunge.. And once new announced it is recession, dooms day..
We can see a very low low KLCI soon, and it will be time for those that had been waiting to enter the market to enter soon smile.gif

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Sep 23 2011, 09:31 AM)
If I'm using PBE online transaction to PM Fund (instead of using PMO), I just need to key in my PM fund a/c nos and amount only, rite? This will be consider as Additional Investment (AI), rite? How long does the transaction take to be shown in my PMO a/c?
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Fund account number is sufficient.

I believe 2 to 3 working days to appear in PMO. The same turn around time even though you do AI in PMO.
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Sep 23 2011, 09:31 AM)
If I'm using PBE online transaction to PM Fund (instead of using PMO), I just need to key in my PM fund a/c nos and amount only, rite? This will be consider as Additional Investment (AI), rite? How long does the transaction take to be shown in my PMO a/c?
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Yup, yr funds' account is needed.
From experience, IMO is updated about 2 to 3 days time, depending foreign or local fund + what time executed.


Added on September 23, 2011, 9:42 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 23 2011, 09:35 AM)
Market heading for a plunge.. And once new announced it is recession, dooms day..
We can see a very low low KLCI soon, and it will be time for those that had been waiting to enter the market to enter soon smile.gif

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Thanks David83 & wongmunkeong for the clarification... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 23 2011, 09:40 AM)
All guns and % of ammo prepared Sir. tongue.gif
Good comrade..

Let's wait for the target to come nearer..
We shall shoot him on the body first..

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Wish i got 1million bond/cash as bullet lol. U guys enter at what point?
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When all the sifus here start pulling the trigger, please inform us, ya? Wanna join also... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 23 2011, 10:28 AM)
Wish i got 1million bond/cash as bullet lol. U guys enter at what point?
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Wait first.. Camp now..
Now faster work harder, OT more, do sales, get more capital. Pay up the loans, pay up the debts.. Don't waste money investing in fresh bear play first.

Once market had go to a dead dip.. Side way, pour in cash + capital. If you are daring, go and refinance house, maybe 50%, and put into it..
After 1 year, guarantee you can see the effect..

Now we had not reached a dead valley yet.. Continue to camp..
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But it is wise to invest into bond? Put in bond, when time comes, switch to equity. Or keep cash in saving account?
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 23 2011, 10:46 AM)
But it is wise to invest into bond? Put in bond, when time comes, switch to equity. Or keep cash in saving account?
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If you are using EPF, or client. You can ask client to get EPF into Bond la.. Once opportunity strike, can get bond to equity right away (No need wait 3 month withdraw one time, wasting time to do that, because 3 months on a market rebound, will miss a lot of fun already)
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 23 2011, 10:59 AM)
If you are using EPF, or client. You can ask client to get EPF into Bond la.. Once opportunity strike, can get bond to equity right away (No need wait 3 month withdraw one time, wasting time to do that, because 3 months on a market rebound, will miss a lot of fun already)
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Sep 23 2011, 10:28 AM)
When all the sifus here start pulling the trigger, please inform us, ya? Wanna join also... tongue.gif
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Heheh - bro, U may not want to follow buta leh. Those sifus have their personal entry/exits AND reasonings & sizing of entries.

eg. U see one fellow say GO
and U put all $ U allocated for equity funds in
... then market continues sliding.. how?

That fellow may have only pumped in 33% or 50% of his allocated ammo
and may be buying due to his/her own rules (eg. every 15% down, average down) tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 23 2011, 10:59 AM)
If you are using EPF, or client. You can ask client to get EPF into Bond la.. Once opportunity strike, can get bond to equity right away (No need wait 3 month withdraw one time, wasting time to do that, because 3 months on a market rebound, will miss a lot of fun already)
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I dont have EPF. Mostly cash from swiftlet farming n business. So it is ok to park money in bond la? Instead of putting it in saving account. Right?

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 23 2011, 11:10 AM)
I dont have EPF. Mostly cash from swiftlet farming n business. So it is ok to park money in bond la? Instead of putting it in saving account. Right?
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If cash, then you better do nothing on that, because bond is for long term (5-6 years and above) to be able to see effect.
Once enter, you incurred service charges already. So wad for? You don't expect recession to be more than 2 years right? Usually 1 year+ and will start to rebound already. So if you park cash at bond, and take out after 1-2 years, defeating the purpose. Rather you not putting into it. Haha.

Unless you are using EPF, that is different. Because EPF ruling, 1 time every 3 month. So if you do in a rebounding market, you only take out dunno how many time only can maximize effect, so can use bond as a parking place to park them out in EPF first. Once market on, direct switch (in stages).

For cash wise, cash is best now.. Just keep and keep, put in FD and wait for right moment. Make sure your money is liquid, and that is the game play.


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ahhh... not enough ammo to play and bring down my average!!!!


Added on September 23, 2011, 1:09 pmAnybody knows when PSMALL CAP is closing?

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ahhh... not enough ammo to play and bring down my average!!!!


Added on September 23, 2011, 1:09 pmAnybody knows when PSMALL CAP is closing?
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I think because it's heavily sell-down oh my god I just bought it last month sad.gif drop like nobody business
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 23 2011, 01:54 PM)
I think because it's heavily sell-down oh my god I just bought it last month sad.gif drop like nobody business
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er.. may i suggest, better focus on other stuff like kids/hobbies for now.
If U cannot tahan YET still focus on your equities' loss of value, U wont be able to zzz OR may do not-too-smart things tongue.gif

FYI - personally i'm down about $15K, since beginning of Sep till now, in my Equity funds' value, winching a bit in pain/discomfort but knowing well that sales is up next, i endure... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 23 2011, 01:57 PM)
er.. may i suggest, better focus on other stuff like kids/hobbies for now.
If U cannot tahan YET still focus on your equities' loss of value, U wont be able to zzz OR may do not-too-smart things tongue.gif

FYI - personally i'm down about $15K, since beginning of Sep till now, in my Equity funds' value, winching a bit in pain/discomfort but knowing well that sales is up next, i endure...  laugh.gif
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I agree.. it's the shopping time but still not sure this time is really the up to 90% discount MEGA sale or not smile.gif
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 23 2011, 02:01 PM)
I agree.. it's the shopping time but still not sure this time is really the up to 90% discount MEGA sale or not smile.gif
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Heheh - up to yesterday, KLCI down 12.98% from top + REITs are getting hit "hard" as well now.
Give it another month or two, when U see people dumping REITs (even with good DY%), it's a good indicator.
In a similar vein, when KLCI's average DY% is about 6% to 7% (way above average of 3.5%+/-), U know that it's bargain sales time.
HOWEVER, it doesnt mean it has stop falling for sure - that one U need a crystal ball. The above is just about value hunting notworthy.gif (no crystal balls on me)

BTW, 90% discount shocking.gif ?!! Even in the horrible 1998 kabloey where KLCI went down more than 80% from max, we never got 90% discount lar.
Scary man if we see 90% discount (and sort of interesting... heheh to a value hunter). sweat.gif

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Sorry for the this question.. what is DY%? tongue.gif

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