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koinibler
post Aug 22 2011, 08:56 PM

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Congrat on V3,
It seem that the topic become hot when the market down laugh.gif
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:03 AM)
from koinibler:

Anyone can clarify that even though the sales charge mention is 5.5%,
but in reality its always deduct only RM 5.21 from RM 100, mean the sales charge only 5.21% 

Is my calculation are wrong?
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how many uunits u got for RM100? waht is the unit price?
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david explain me the other way around of calculating SC.
SC is not from value invest in RM but the value of NAV.
I do get the correct amount using david formula.

Unless, you had something to explain differently!

QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 21 2011, 08:38 AM)
Usually I'll calculate the other way round.

Amount invested: I
NAV:
Buying price: NAV +5.5% = P

Unit bought: I/P
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(lytros @ Aug 23 2011, 11:54 AM)
That is because the service charge is a percentage of the NAV per unit and not from the amount paid.
To make things simpler, I use the following formula to determine  total service charge. (I forgot how i came up with this 2 years ago!)

Total charge = (Amount paid / (100 + SC)) x SC.

For example, assuming RM 100 paid and SC of 5.5%:
(RM 100 / (100 + 5.5)) x 5.5
= 100 / 105.5 x 5.5 = 5.21

If you replace the SC with 5.5%, then the end result is equivalent to 5.21% of amount paid. But you can use this formula for any other SC rates as well.

If anyone else got an easier formula do share!
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rclxms.gif nice formula,
although my brain can't comprehend why that, why this,
but its good to know a working/simpler formula that I can rely on next time.
Thanks...


now, need to google BAFIA doh.gif
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post Aug 24 2011, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 24 2011, 01:13 PM)
Aiya - they put there only mar BUT enforcement may be another thing tongue.gif

Anyways, phew - luckily my family & personal investments can hit this minimum. Phew dodged THAT bullet  sweat.gif
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Thanks Wong for the service charge spreadsheet, I'm downloader no. 11.

I know for sometime already the requirement for 30K,
seem a bit high for me and family doh.gif
and lazy to convince friend and people around me laugh.gif
not agent material lor....
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post Aug 25 2011, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Aug 24 2011, 10:29 PM)
Just want to ask a question, the fund price we always look at the internet is yesterday price, if we buy today, which price do we buy, today (which havent announce) or yesterday?
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QUOTE(lytros @ Aug 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
If you buy today, the price is today's price. (which is announced on the next working day)
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 25 2011, 12:18 AM)
You buy today, means buying yesterday closing price.
You buy tomorrow, means buying today closing price
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It seem to me that the answer for this question is contradict (or my understanding just wrong)

From my experience top up a bit the couple of weeks, I need to agree with lytros answer.
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post Aug 25 2011, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 25 2011, 06:48 AM)
Then your other option is to get chummy with an agent and negotiate tongue.gif - like offer to DIY most of the stuff, and have some er.. cheaper charges personally from your agent lor

It's a biz to the agent - in biz, anythings negotiable as long as there's win-win situation, right or right?  brows.gif

BTW, U'd be surprise that U may not need to convince anyone.
As U do it and see results and share your methodologies as U care & want your close friends/relatives to prosper as well, U will somehow get "offers". I'm a typical nerd / IT guy lar - not marketing/sales fler. Just do it right and share not for $ but as an option to enable your close friends/relatives to build something for their/their loved ones' future.

The ONLY hiccup is that some may not be able to "handle" the losses when a downturn happens (not IF but WHEN it happens). Thus, education & expectations management required by drawing out agreed investment programs/approaches and followed.
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Kinda should try first, could have a good result.
Strong encouragement there...
Thanks
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post Aug 26 2011, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 26 2011, 08:36 AM)
Btw, can all the PM funds be bought using DDI? Coz i saw some fund like PISEF don't allowed for regular investment... Regular investment = DDI, rite?
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I don't think RI is same with SI (DDI) Standing Instruction.
I know the meaning of II and AI, but I still don't know how one investment been callled Regular Investment (RI)
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post Aug 28 2011, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 27 2011, 09:29 AM)
RI = any time u top up. min is rm100.

u can invest regularly, daily,weekly,montly, etc.....
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If you top up anytime, it will be call AI; Additional Investment, not RI.


Added on August 28, 2011, 9:44 am
QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 27 2011, 04:43 PM)
what method are available for "payment" for the topup from publicmutual online ?

i dont have PBbank account

thats why i want to know what method of payment they accept for topup and open new account(other funds)

cause if its like paying bill can transfer from credit card or other bank account like direct debit(like how u pay airasia tix using mb2u)

then i want to consider applying for it.. else no point.. can help me on this ?
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Other than public bank, other option of payment for those bank that offer FPX payment. I dont think you can pay by credit card

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post Sep 13 2011, 09:54 PM

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great info there lowyatt2011,
never know that EPF charge 0.25% before.

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post Sep 14 2011, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 11:27 AM)
Personally:
Keep on executing and tracking as per planned
1. 50% of $ for equity funds on DCA + VCA no fear / no greed programmatic investments
2. 50% of $ for equity funds awaiting current bearish Trend to get into accumulation trend

What about U? Share share lar - dont just be angry  brows.gif
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I think I know already what is bearish trend (now!).
Just, I wonder how you determine that the bearish "get into accumulation trend" ?
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post Sep 14 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 09:19 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Although I've google what 'moving average' mean, just understand it so-so. So, conclude, its an average of price on the duration.
So, the best time get into equity market is during 'recovery' or 'bearish' period hmm.gif

A good half hour just to understand 1 post rclxub.gif .


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:38 pmCan we get the data for moving average (MA) anywhere or Mr. Wong, you do it with your spreadsheet?

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post Sep 14 2011, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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From QFR, most (NOT ALL) PM equity fund has around 12% annualized return for 10 years.

So, the PROBABILITY is there.

Hopefully, 10 years is a short time for you.
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post Sep 19 2011, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 18 2011, 09:27 PM)
DDI is from your saving account to your unit trust either to be equity/bond/money market fund.

No service charge for DDI.
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I do believe that all DDI or any AI will incurred the same SC 5.5% for equity / 0.25% for bond.

QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:31 PM)
but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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When enter bond fund, you will be charged 0.25% SC, then if you do monthly transfer from bond to equity, there will be another SC of 5.5%.
Make sure you do this by filling up a form of transferring monthly from bond fund to equity fund to avoid switching fees.

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post Sep 19 2011, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 19 2011, 08:51 AM)
The service charge I meant is referring to Public Bank imposes on the DDI; not referring to the 5.5%/0.25% for buying the unit trust.

Your second statement is little confusing. If you're switching low-loaded units, you'll be charged for service charge. Otherwise, only RM 25 switching fee is imposed. Switching in and out is not advisable since you'll be charged RM 25 per switching and needs to meet min amount.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding on the Public Bank imposes DDI.

For the second statement, what I meant is when somebody do lump sump into bond and from bond monthly/quarterly transferred into equity.
I've seen this kind of form before, I've could be mistaken though.
When we do something like this, we only be charge for SC not another RM25 for switching.

For normal switching from bond to equity for the first time will impose 5.5%+RM25.

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 11:38 PM)
Yes, good during bears, but not a fresh bear play..
Go on fresh bear = bear's dinner

Go on full and saturated bear = bear's killer moment...
I think I'm already become bear's dinner doh.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 07:11 PM

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There's so much to interpret on Mr Wong slay a bear analogy hmm.gif


QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 20 2011, 11:53 AM)
If you do not want to think so much, you can split it to 33% in 3 stages, or 4 stages at 25% each.

But if you are a person who anticipate more fall to come, but at the mean time, you do not want to miss out any chances from the rebound (Just in case), then you might want to allocate your strategy in pumping into the market in a triangle shape.

1st initial pump, 20%.
If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
Continue to go lower, 50%.

In this manner, you will not miss out if there is a rebound after your 20% cash in.. But at the mean time, you are prepared for it to go lower for more capital flowing in..
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by "triangle shape" you mean this?;

> 1st initial pump, 20%.
> If goes lower to a certain point, 30%.
> Continue to go lower, 50%.

How you determine a gap between point?

1400
1200
1000 ? Good?

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QUOTE(BlueSilver @ Sep 21 2011, 11:57 AM)
i also understand that we're supposed to set a goal when we invest. Can someone explain this to me? blush.gif
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For me, 'goal' is when you wanna repurchase back the fund!

Bigger goal should be a fund for your retirement or for your kids education!
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 21 2011, 12:04 PM)
KLCI up 9 points at the moment.
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May I know how one determine support/resistance line?
Sometimes when I read, its stated 1420, sometime 1415 rclxub.gif
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post Sep 21 2011, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Sep 21 2011, 08:07 PM)
If sell it (REPURCHASE) to Public Bank Account, got CHARGES ?
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NO
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post Sep 21 2011, 09:12 PM

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sort only post by wongmunkeong and Bonescythe is a good start biggrin.gif

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