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post Nov 22 2010, 09:53 AM, updated 15y ago

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LYN Official Proton Persona Owners Club and support thread V10

A new year, a new beginning, a new facelift!
End 2010 with a perfect 10 in our V10 thread.

Post #1 - General information about the car
Post #2 - Preventive Service & Maintenance. Common Problems & Solutions
Post #4 - TT Session and Car Mods

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Studio shots of the New Persona Elegance (PE)

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Proton Persona Promotional Video

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Previous Threads V1-V9

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Proudly a Proton Persona Owner

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and still growing rapidly...... flex.gif flex.gif

For those who already took the car, please PM ME or POST in this thread stating that u are a new owner to update you name into the list.


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post Nov 22 2010, 09:57 AM

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Car Service & Preventive Maintenance Schedule and Pricing
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Prices of Proton Parts
Proton Parts Cost

Recommended SC
1)Serdang SC - http://worldcarcare.com.my/WorldCarCare.html
Reasons: Best customer service in all reviews, allows you to bring own lube.

2) CoSE (beside Kesas) - HQ, easy to claim warranty and reflash ECU. Have to make appointment b4 going there. Can bring own Lube

3) Juru SC (Penang) - Can bring own lube.

Unrecommended SC (TRY TO AVOID AT ALL COST!)

1) Trend point - Along Jalan Tun Razak.

Common Problem in Persona
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Tips for Persona car users - TO BE UPDATED
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TT Session No.2
Venue: Williams Corner
Jalan SS26/9 (same row as 7-11)
Taman Mayang Jaya
47301 Petaling Jaya
Date: Sat,15th Jan
Time: 8.30pm sharp.
Google Map coordinate 3.117008,101.604166

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post Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM

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Still pumping RON97....Don't know want to change to RON95 or not.
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post Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM

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post Nov 22 2010, 10:00 AM

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post Nov 22 2010, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM)
Still pumping RON97....Don't know want to change to RON95 or not.
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Time to change. 30sen premium for every litre of ron97 we pour does not justify the extra mileage/performance gain for our car.
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:09 AM

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wah.. v10 already. congrats rclxms.gif

QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM)
Still pumping RON97....Don't know want to change to RON95 or not.
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mine start pumping ron95 when price rm2.15/liter...
sometimes filling with ron97 also for long distance smile.gif
so far ok la but feel a bit slow pickup. and what a bad smell from my exhaust LOL..
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 10:07 AM)
Time to change. 30sen premium for every litre of ron97 we pour does not justify the extra mileage/performance gain for our car.
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You pump RON95?
Yea, 30sen, pump 30liter extra RM9.

QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:09 AM)
wah.. v10 already. congrats  rclxms.gif
mine start pumping ron95 when price rm2.15/liter...
sometimes filling with ron97 also for long distance smile.gif
so far ok la but feel a bit slow pickup. and what a bad smell from my exhaust LOL..
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Sounds bad....
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:28 AM

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congratz ZenGTMM! regarding the v9 post..i thk thr is sum sort of speed cut..cz i cant go beyong 170 or 180 (forgot d) when it is set auto cruise~ lol..anyhw..all play safe la..i hv train to be light leg..cz wan save fuel lol..top speed 180 =)
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:32 AM

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i tried before auto cruise at 170, not more than that so not sure got speed cut or not. but definitely no speed cut if not on auto cruise
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM

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lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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post Nov 22 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 10:25 AM)
You pump RON95?
Yea, 30sen, pump 30liter extra RM9.
Sounds bad....
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quite not bad. my FC still quite same with ron97

QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Nov 22 2010, 10:32 AM)
i tried before auto cruise at 170, not more than that so not sure got speed cut or not. but definitely no speed cut if not on auto cruise
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wah..u guys really daring on speeding.. notworthy.gif
so far i just go to 140 - 150 km/h only..on federal highway only.. sad.gif
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post Nov 22 2010, 11:46 AM

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post Nov 22 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Nov 22 2010, 11:43 AM)
quite not bad. my FC still quite same with ron97 
wah..u guys really daring on speeding.. notworthy.gif
so far i just go to 140 - 150 km/h only..on federal highway only.. sad.gif
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Then now onwards pump RON95 le. Wait red light out go pump. Been using RON97 since I received on 25th October
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post Nov 22 2010, 12:10 PM

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wow V10 congratulation haha... more and more persona owner is coming tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2010, 12:39 PM

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V10 already...great.

You guys really whack the car notworthy.gif & from the video there isnt much engine noise is it?
The last time i speed to 130, i felt it so loud & resonating within the cabin. But mine is without iafm.
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post Nov 22 2010, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 10:25 AM)
You pump RON95?.
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yea. On the first day i got my car itself. To understand whether ur car will have any advantage using ron97 petrol instead of ron95, we first have to get to know whats the difference in characteristics. Ron97 is able to resist engine knock even more than ron95, however the energy content of the fuel is still the same. Exp 1ml of petrol will produce 10joules of energy. To extract the most energy from the fuel, engine compression need to be high, however as our engine are hot, fuel tend to combust on itself when the mixture becomes too hot. Therefore the higher the ron, the higher the combustion temp under compression.
Campro compression ratio is 10:1, honda type-R is 11.7:1. therefore type r are able to produce super high amount of power 111bhp per 1000cc. Whereelse campro is just producing 69bhp per 1000cc.. Type r are able to utilize the ron97 fuel efficiently as it works to the anti knock properties which is the main advantage of ron97. Other than that u wont be able to notice much difference in engine output or efficiency.

QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:28 AM)
congratz ZenGTMM! regarding the v9 post..i thk thr is sum sort of speed cut..cz i cant go beyong 170 or 180 (forgot d) when it is set auto cruise~ lol..anyhw..all play safe la..i hv train to be light leg..cz wan save fuel lol..top speed 180 =)
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having speed cut also better lah. If not fc will kill u before the speed kills you. Hahaha. Engine sound at 190km/h is surprisingly low for me. The sound isnt any much difference than speed at 140-160.. And my radio was turned off at that time too.

QUOTE(leozai @ Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM)
lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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new is always better. Hehehe..

Added on November 22, 2010, 2:18 pmGot new car with campro iafm engine somemore, its very difficult to resist the urge to speed. I have the need for speed. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(leozai @ Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM)
lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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post Nov 22 2010, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(leozai @ Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM)
lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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Get new PE lor. Got 2 years warranty.


Used one sometimes very hard to say. Donno how the previous owner treat it.

i must say, PE is quite a good car for the money mang. Maybe need to do some roof/door sound proof. But overall i feel the power and acceleration is very usable in town. even highway is good.

Handling very comparable to my 1st gen perdana v6. In fact zippier.
Power wise. Of course, uhhh not as good as the v6. Lol but i am not complaning. Like i say, power is very usable. tongue.gif
Comfort. Well a lil bit noisy for PE and seat not as good as the V6. But heck more comfy than wira n all the p2 range. Hahahaha.


only complain, aircon is freezing cold in the morning and nite mang. Donno anyone can fix it or not. hahaha.
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 22 2010, 02:31 PM)
Get new PE lor. Got 2 years warranty.
Used one sometimes very hard to say. Donno how the previous owner treat it.

i must say, PE is quite a good car for the money mang. Maybe need to do some roof/door sound proof. But overall i feel the power and acceleration is very usable in town. even highway is good.

Handling very comparable to my 1st gen perdana v6. In fact zippier.
Power wise. Of course, uhhh not as good as the v6. Lol but i am not complaning. Like i say, power is very usable. tongue.gif
Comfort. Well a lil bit noisy for PE and seat not as good as the V6. But heck more comfy than wira n all the p2 range. Hahahaha.
only complain, aircon is freezing cold in the morning and nite mang. Donno anyone can fix it or not. hahaha.
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The soundproof....manyak mahal la.

Need wait warranty over then go do it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(leozai @ Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM)
lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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still in dilemma? laugh.gif

no cars are perfect, just go for what u could afford thats it. mine is still in mint condition because of im willing to spend times to take care of the car, and if u have d determination and $$ to maintain a car, even a half way to be scrapped car also can get back to mint condition, let alone new car. brows.gif
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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 02:33 PM)
The soundproof....manyak mahal la.

Need wait warranty over then go do it biggrin.gif
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ya mang. Do by stages i think would more affordable lor. LOL very tempted to do autofoam road killer package. Start frm RM380 ohh. tongue.gif
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is it just me or the radio is sometime stupid... need to push multiple time to turn it on...
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QUOTE(li9ht @ Nov 22 2010, 04:08 PM)
is it just me or the radio is sometime stupid... need to push multiple time to turn it on...
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LOL, maybe switch not yet run in. Hahahaha still ketat.


Mine so far no problem. Hehehe. but steering wheel button not tat sensitive. really need to press it with lil force.
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good car! bcos i have 1 too. hahahaha. fast compare to peer competitors, comfortable, reasonable fuel consumption, cheap spare parts, COOL AIRCON!

too bad H/line too pricey, i only could afford Bline. but only braking system is my main concern. front brake not impressive, rear drum brake is a bit risky for us (locking sound). da prob is not solved. i thk proton neds to recall all PE due to rear brake issue n change it to disc brake. is tat possible? hahaha. *pray
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 22 2010, 03:19 PM)
ya mang. Do by stages i think would more affordable lor. LOL very tempted to do autofoam road killer package. Start frm RM380 ohh. tongue.gif
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Stages like in what?
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PE owner shud proud because using good tech (32bit ecu, IAFM, improved NVH..bla..bla..) comparing previous 2007 model. mine proud using 1st model..until now no problem except stupid rattling around dashboard while revving 30-40km/h..
other feels good mang smile.gif NVH is good altough im using quite loud exhaust LOL
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anynone experience sound when getting butt in or out of the car..sounds like gt some parts loose di..or i weight too much?? lol..hw to solve it..help..my tires all well pumped..izit sth to do with dry out absorber or undercarriage stuff??
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post Nov 22 2010, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 06:39 PM)
anynone experience sound when getting butt in or out of the car..sounds like gt some parts loose di..or i weight too much?? lol..hw to solve it..help..my tires all well pumped..izit sth to do with dry out absorber or undercarriage stuff??
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Maybe try pulling ur handbrake higher.. Is it the krrrkkk sound coming from the wheel like that? Its actually the sound of the brake slipping a bit..
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is it just me or the radio is sometime stupid... need to push multiple time to turn it on...
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Old Persona dont have this problem! biggrin.gif
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... sry to say dat... 207 sedan really very ugly.. atleast i feel so.. .btw if hatch... too small >.<"

Added on November 22, 2010, 8:51 pm
QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 22 2010, 02:31 PM)
Get new PE lor. Got 2 years warranty.
Used one sometimes very hard to say. Donno how the previous owner treat it.

i must say, PE is quite a good car for the money mang. Maybe need to do some roof/door sound proof. But overall i feel the power and acceleration is very usable in town. even highway is good.

Handling very comparable to my 1st gen perdana v6. In fact zippier.
Power wise. Of course, uhhh not as good as the v6. Lol but i am not complaning. Like i say, power is very usable. tongue.gif
Comfort. Well a lil bit noisy for PE and seat not as good as the V6. But heck more comfy than wira n all the p2 range. Hahahaha.
only complain, aircon is freezing cold in the morning and nite mang. Donno anyone can fix it or not. hahaha.
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i tot its 3yr /175k km?

Added on November 22, 2010, 8:53 pm
QUOTE(ahshuy @ Nov 22 2010, 02:33 PM)
still in dilemma?  laugh.gif 

no cars are perfect, just go for what u could afford thats it. mine is still in mint condition because of im willing to spend times to take care of the car, and if u have d determination and $$ to maintain a car, even a half way to be scrapped car also can get back to mint condition, let alone new car.  brows.gif
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have made up my mine on persona... either new or used 1 only... lol... if used 1 i can spend less den da money can use to change da skirt .... rims... speedo meter( if can den its gud)..and also da tail lamp... still cheaper then new.... den my commitment will be lesser.. XD

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 08:09 PM)
Maybe try pulling ur handbrake higher.. Is it the krrrkkk sound coming from the wheel like that? Its actually the sound of the brake slipping a bit..
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wow..reali no sound le..swt..persona handbrake has to pull very high lo..thou i adi ask sc to tighten it..sigh~

another prob..anyone exp right hand side of dashboard rattling sound (around the lubang like aircond lubang thr) when reving high..
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 09:40 PM)
wow..reali no sound le..swt..persona handbrake has to pull very high lo..thou i adi ask sc to tighten it..sigh~

another prob..anyone exp right hand side of dashboard rattling sound (around the lubang like aircond lubang thr) when reving high..
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dashboard rattling sound is normal...i usually just give it a slap~ tongue.gif
Now only right hand got sound? left hand side will join in soon sweat.gif
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dashboard rattling sound  is normal...i usually just give it a slap~ tongue.gif
Now only right hand got sound? left hand side will join in soon  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 09:40 PM)
wow..reali no sound le..swt..persona handbrake has to pull very high lo..thou i adi ask sc to tighten it..sigh~

another prob..anyone exp right hand side of dashboard rattling sound (around the lubang like aircond lubang thr) when reving high..
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QUOTE(lhongwuh @ Nov 22 2010, 09:55 PM)
dashboard rattling sound  is normal...i usually just give it a slap~ tongue.gif
Now only right hand got sound? left hand side will join in soon  sweat.gif
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Well actually the handbrake is mechanically linked to the rear brakes only. sweat.gif So if u pull ur handbrakes only the back brake will work.. Not the front.. (Very good for drifting!!!) Since the back is brake shoe only.. It will be softer lah.. So need to pull higher..

Dashboard rattling sound is actually due to no insulation between the screw and the dashboard. So when rattling the screw will loosen a bit. I will post some pics later on how i DIY it to eliminate rattling lah.. So far so good.. hehe..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 10:05 PM)
Well actually the handbrake is mechanically linked to the rear brakes only.  sweat.gif  So if u pull ur handbrakes only the back brake will work.. Not the front.. (Very good for drifting!!!) Since the back is brake shoe only.. It will be softer lah.. So need to pull higher..

Dashboard rattling sound is actually due to no insulation between the screw and the dashboard. So when rattling the screw will loosen a bit. I will post some pics later on how i DIY it to eliminate rattling lah.. So far so good.. hehe..
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lol..nice! fast post lo! haha..fyi..my car drifted twice (perform what is oversteer) by my fren last time..tires damage 99 lo n rubber smell..haha..
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:17 PM)
lol..nice! fast post lo! haha..fyi..my car drifted twice (perform what is oversteer) by my fren last time..tires damage 99 lo n rubber smell..haha..
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PE actually comes with stock 13mm Anti-roll bar.. So thats y the car can corner beautifully with just a touch of understeer.. Even inspira is tuned for more understeer than PE.. Lotus magic in the working.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Have to open back my dashboard again lah.. So must wait for weekends when I got no classes that time i post it up..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 10:20 PM)
PE actually comes with stock 13mm Anti-roll bar.. So thats y the car can corner beautifully with just a touch of understeer.. Even inspira is tuned for more understeer than PE.. Lotus magic in the working..  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Have to open back my dashboard again lah.. So must wait for weekends when I got no classes that time i post it up..
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oo..nw oni i kno PE gt anti roll bar wo..if wan chg UR anti roll bar then mz take out lo? means no lotus ride le at the mean time..m i rite? kk..take ur time..i gt finals tmr..> <
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oo..nw oni i kno PE gt anti roll bar wo..if wan chg UR anti roll bar then mz take out lo? means no lotus ride le at the mean time..m i rite? kk..take ur time..i gt finals tmr..> <
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Aftermarket bars like UltraRacing also starts at 16mm to 19mm and 23mm.. Dont go too thick lah.. 16mm more than enuf to induce quite a lot of oversteer.. 23mm i think can tear ur suspension right out under hard cornering.. Lotus tuned is mostly tune the suspension rebound and spring rate only. But if changed to aftermarket shocks than the tuning will be messed up ady and no more Lotus..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 10:31 PM)
Aftermarket bars like UltraRacing also starts at 16mm to 19mm and 23mm.. Dont go too thick lah.. 16mm more than enuf to induce quite a lot of oversteer.. 23mm i think can tear ur suspension right out under hard cornering.. Lotus tuned is mostly tune the suspension rebound and spring rate only. But if changed to aftermarket shocks than the tuning will be messed up ady and no more Lotus..
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hm..i got u..thx 4 explaining o..lol..wil like to instal 1 3 point front bar..bt stil saving money =D
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:33 PM)
hm..i got u..thx 4 explaining o..lol..wil like to instal 1 3 point front bar..bt stil saving money =D
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Ur welcome.. Better get 2 point front bar.. If 3 point then later ur dashboard going to vibrate more with the extra vibration from the engine.. biggrin.gif
Bro u said u are having exams tmr? Good luck wei.. Cheat smartly. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 10:36 PM)
Ur welcome.. Better get 2 point front bar.. If 3 point then later ur dashboard going to vibrate more with the extra vibration from the engine..  biggrin.gif
Bro u said u are having exams tmr? Good luck wei.. Cheat smartly.  tongue.gif
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PE take croner quite good la..always do a fast corner confidently bcoz of the lotus tuning smile.gif..

Lucky my PE not 2 years but 5 years warranty.

I heard ron97 is best for those performace car la .

U guys pay banyak for lotus tuning,den u go buy strut bar,wont it upset the tuning?...nampak canggih oni,but i think the few mm count or not u oso tak tau..unless u alwiz drifting..hehe
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 22 2010, 10:48 PM)
PE take croner quite good la..always do a fast corner confidently bcoz of the lotus tuning smile.gif..

Lucky my PE not 2 years but 5 years warranty.

I heard ron97 is best for those performace car la .

U guys pay banyak for lotus tuning,den u go buy strut bar,wont it upset the tuning?...nampak canggih oni,but i think the few mm count or not u oso tak tau..unless u alwiz drifting..hehe
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 22 2010, 10:48 PM)
PE take croner quite good la..always do a fast corner confidently bcoz of the lotus tuning smile.gif..

Lucky my PE not 2 years but 5 years warranty.

I heard ron97 is best for those performace car la .

U guys pay banyak for lotus tuning,den u go buy strut bar,wont it upset the tuning?...nampak canggih oni,but i think the few mm count or not u oso tak tau..unless u alwiz drifting..hehe
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Struts wont upset the tuning right? It just actually prevents flexing of the suspension tower.. But then yeah struts is more of a placebo effects.. Best effects still better use ARB and sound deadening materials. Most perceivable effect at most of the time and bang for the buck too.

I planning to change to hi-comp pistons maybe 1 year down the road.. Get more power!!! hehe.. Can increase low end torque a lot.. Maybe can fight with Vtec engine.. hehe..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 22 2010, 11:09 PM)
Struts wont upset the tuning right? It just actually prevents flexing of the suspension tower.. But then yeah struts is more of a placebo effects.. Best effects still better use ARB and sound deadening materials. Most perceivable effect at most of the time and bang for the buck too.

I planning to change to hi-comp pistons maybe 1 year down the road.. Get more power!!! hehe.. Can increase low end torque a lot.. Maybe can fight with Vtec engine.. hehe..
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u wan low end torque can get adjustable cam pulley..tune to advanced abit..or LCP..or chg exhaust la lol! piston inside de y one chg o..beter u chg whole engine?

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 23 2010, 12:03 AM)
u wan low end torque can get adjustable cam pulley..tune to advanced abit..or LCP..or chg exhaust la lol! piston inside de y one chg o..beter u chg whole engine?
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LOL bro.. All that considered ady.. Part of the package.. Change piston very cheap lah.. I not going to get those forged heads ROSS pistons (RM2.4k rclxub.gif ).. Can get S4PE piston head and plug and play into S4PH engine.. Use back 1.6conrod of current engine.. The S4PE piston head bulges out a bit.. So it will increase compression from 10:1 to at least 11:1 or higher.. Not sure because i hvnt done any measurements yet. S4PH cam lift is 5.8mm. So if change piston ady cannot install hi-cam if not engine sure gone case..
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Hi, i'm driving PE B Line, did u guys notice inside the trunk is very hot at day time? Very hot compare to others car.
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Hi Guys,

Just receive my M-line PE last week.
Just notice inside the manual shows there's a seat belt indicator/light, but my PE even I didn't buckle up the light still didn't light up.
Is this seat belt light only available for H-line
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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Nov 23 2010, 10:04 AM)
Hi, i'm driving PE B Line, did u guys notice inside the trunk is very hot at day time? Very hot compare to others car.
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Is your car Black? tongue.gif hehe

QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 23 2010, 10:10 AM)
Hi Guys,

Just receive my M-line PE last week.
Just notice inside the manual shows there's a seat belt indicator/light, but my PE even I didn't buckle up the light still didn't light up.
Is this seat belt light only available for H-line
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Nop H-line doesnt have it also...
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anyone already change the tube A and tube B to solve the metal knocking sound when cornering front driver area? if yes, possible the post the picture and share with us?

i do wrap the tube A and tube B with tyre tube temporary, but somehow rather the knocking sound still persist. need to compare how the replacement tube A and tube B look like.
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 23 2010, 10:15 AM)
Is your car Black? tongue.gif hehe
Nop H-line doesnt have it also...
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So does it mean this light only available for export model hmm.gif
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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 23 2010, 10:43 AM)
So does it mean this light only available for export model hmm.gif
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Tomorrow is my day, send it to HQ let them check whole car. Easy, beh tahan with the noise d.
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wa..choi..slap gt use????
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 23 2010, 12:52 AM)
LOL bro.. All that considered ady.. Part of the package.. Change piston very cheap lah.. I not going to get those forged heads ROSS pistons (RM2.4k rclxub.gif ).. Can get S4PE piston head and plug and play into S4PH engine.. Use back 1.6conrod of current engine.. The S4PE piston head bulges out a bit.. So it will increase compression from 10:1 to at least 11:1 or higher.. Not sure because i hvnt done any measurements yet. S4PH cam lift is 5.8mm. So if change piston ady cannot install hi-cam if not engine sure gone case..
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wow..very technical explanation..lol > < ya 1 ques..if u chg to higher comp ratio piston..izit u hv to chg pump ron 97? coz 95 is for low comp ratio..if u stil pumping 95 after chg detonation wil occur..rite?

QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Nov 23 2010, 01:46 PM)
Slap harder , cabut then u know tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 23 2010, 01:53 PM)
wow..very technical explanation..lol > < ya 1 ques..if u chg to higher comp ratio piston..izit u hv to chg pump ron 97? coz 95 is for low comp ratio..if u stil pumping 95 after chg detonation wil occur..rite?
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Ya, if the comp ratio is above 11:1, then most likely have to use ron97. I rmb reading a topic in kereta.info on comparison of different brand of ron95 petrol with video posted. Later when im back home i will post the video with explanation for your understanding.
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 23 2010, 02:09 PM)
Ya, if the comp ratio is above 11:1, then most likely have to use ron97. I rmb reading a topic in kereta.info on comparison of different brand of ron95 petrol with video posted. Later when im back home i will post the video with explanation for your understanding.
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haha..gdgd..can improve my knowledge..lol! thx ~
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anyone already change the tube A and tube B to solve the metal knocking sound when cornering front driver area? if yes, possible the post the picture and share with us?

i do wrap the tube A and tube B with tyre tube temporary, but somehow rather the knocking sound still persist. need to compare how the replacement tube A and tube B look like.
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 23 2010, 02:50 PM)
anyone already change the tube A and tube B to solve the metal knocking sound when cornering front driver area? if yes, possible the post the picture and share with us?

i do wrap the tube A and tube B with tyre tube temporary, but somehow rather the knocking sound still persist. need to compare how the replacement tube A and tube B look like.
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try browsing at previous thread, the design should like "U"
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 23 2010, 10:15 AM)
Is your car Black? tongue.gif hehe
Nop H-line doesnt have it also...
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 23 2010, 02:50 PM)
anyone already change the tube A and tube B to solve the metal knocking sound when cornering front driver area? if yes, possible the post the picture and share with us?

i do wrap the tube A and tube B with tyre tube temporary, but somehow rather the knocking sound still persist. need to compare how the replacement tube A and tube B look like.
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i think u need orifice valve too to control the amount of power steering fluid flow into power steering mechanism...

Added on November 23, 2010, 5:31 pm
QUOTE(IceBikers @ Nov 23 2010, 10:04 AM)
Hi, i'm driving PE B Line, did u guys notice inside the trunk is very hot at day time? Very hot compare to others car.
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mine b line also..nope,my boot not very hot rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Nov 23 2010, 03:06 PM)
try browsing at previous thread, the design should like "U"
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i guess no one has the replacement done. the previos thread picture is yet to changed.
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i guess no one has the replacement done. the previos thread picture is yet to changed.
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y dont u just send ur car to the service center? is covered by the warranty right? rclxms.gif
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Today I heard ratting noise from the dashboard .. doh.gif doh.gif only happes at low rpm . make me go nutz la I HATE that sound ... previously
dun have , dunno why now got it doh.gif . I tried off air-con , not the problem . Press on various dashboard parts also cannot ...
dunno from where sweat.gif
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hmm, dashbord got sound, in my case, in left side..dunno where the source ... well, just a minor problem tho, up abit radio sound, didnt heard that sound anymore wahahaha
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I wonder if that panel above middle air cond vents and radio can be converted into a pop-up GPS/screen or not tongue.gif
Or just make into storage place like how the Nissan Sentra has.
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 23 2010, 06:40 PM)
y dont u just send ur car to the service center? is covered by the warranty right? rclxms.gif
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will send definately. need to gather much information, that y we all are here.

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I wonder if that panel above middle air cond vents and radio can be converted into a pop-up GPS/screen or not tongue.gif
Or just make into storage place like how the Nissan Sentra has.
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hehe... good idea. do u have any suggestion?

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 23 2010, 09:25 PM)
will send definately. need to gather much information, that y we all are here.

Added on November 23, 2010, 9:25 pm

hehe... good idea. do u have any suggestion?
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QUOTE(jasontantenghuat @ Nov 23 2010, 09:09 PM)
I wonder if that panel above middle air cond vents and radio can be converted into a pop-up GPS/screen or not tongue.gif
Or just make into storage place like how the Nissan Sentra has.
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You mean something like this? rolleyes.gif

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You mean something like this?  rolleyes.gif

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Cool.... is this a real product? how much it cost?
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Yup.

But I was thinking more of pop up. Cause like that will attract break ins.
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QUOTE(jasontantenghuat @ Nov 23 2010, 10:14 PM)
Yup.

But I was thinking more of pop up. Cause like that will attract break ins.
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i thought of that before too. but looking at the shape of the top panel, if you were to make it pop up, the area where you can actually fit a rectangular lcd screen is quite small and possible it's not deep enough to close when you pop it down back
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Hi personarians, pls add me to the list. New PE driver from Sabah. Medium line MT Black. Really love and proud of this car. This is mine rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(sensei84 @ Nov 24 2010, 01:11 AM)
Hi personarians, pls add  me to the list. New PE driver from Sabah. Medium line MT Black. Really love and proud of this car. This is mine  rclxms.gif

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Wah you stop at the road and take. No other cars?
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Wah you stop at the road and take. No other cars?


no car la that time.. kampung road hehe tongue.gif

Just want to share my experience (1 month using this car).. There is sound at the back passenger seat somewhere on the left. I noticed it just when I didn't turn on the radio. Front passenger central lock is not functioning. I send it for 1000km service on Saturday last week but they didn't have time to solve the problem. For the service, they change engine oil, oil filter and gasket for RM113++. I noticed they also change the idle rev to 1000.



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check this out

http://www.myeway.net/product-detail-2.aspx?productid=109

http://www.dhgate.com/custom-car-dvd-and-g...79a8735c65.html
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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Nov 24 2010, 03:01 AM)
check this out

http://www.myeway.net/product-detail-2.aspx?productid=109

http://www.dhgate.com/custom-car-dvd-and-g...79a8735c65.html
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drool.gif

But price sweat.gif
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another link.

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/34434...holesalers.html

able to ship to malaysia too brows.gif

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drool.gif

But price  sweat.gif
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price not too bad ma. with shipping, after convert probably less than rm1.5k and it comes with gps + bluetooth + ipod connectivity + support rear view mirror + steering control.
if u get pioneer or jvc or other branded ones, it will cost u easily rm2k above and that's without the gps signal receiver too...

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QUOTE(sensei84 @ Nov 24 2010, 01:29 AM)
no car la that time.. kampung road hehe tongue.gif


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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Nov 24 2010, 03:12 AM)
another link.

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/34434...holesalers.html

able to ship to malaysia too brows.gif

Added on November 24, 2010, 3:16 am
price not too bad ma. with shipping, after convert probably less than rm1.5k and it comes with gps + bluetooth + ipod connectivity + support rear view mirror + steering control.
if u get pioneer or jvc or other branded ones, it will cost u easily rm2k above and that's without the gps signal receiver too...
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yes yes.. this is damn nice.... perhaps i have to wait another 4 and half year only to get it...haha i dont wnna waste my warranty... but seriously cool stuff.. and is relatively cheap for its function.. any idea wat brand is it? reliable? anyone persona/gen2 installed?
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Guys when I received my car, my SA gave me a rm350 tint voucher from Tintmaster. Any of u guys had use this brand before, is it reliable.
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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Nov 24 2010, 04:01 AM)
check this out

http://www.myeway.net/product-detail-2.aspx?productid=109

http://www.dhgate.com/custom-car-dvd-and-g...79a8735c65.html
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very nice indeed. but the spec seems a bit slow for a 800x480 resolution.. should be at least 533MHz cpu, otherwise the gps software will be laggy a bit.
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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 24 2010, 09:56 AM)
Guys when I received my car, my SA gave me a rm350 tint voucher from Tintmaster. Any of u guys had use this brand before, is it reliable.
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other than the brand, the mechanic skill also very important. anyway my friend having bad experience with tint master.
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 24 2010, 09:08 AM)
yes yes.. this is damn nice.... perhaps i have to wait another 4 and half year only to get it...haha i dont wnna waste my warranty... but seriously cool stuff.. and is relatively cheap for its function.. any idea wat brand is it? reliable? anyone persona/gen2 installed?
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not sure if anyone in malaysia have it installed. seems like it's been produced for the outside market where Gen 2 is being sold as well such as China etc i think.

QUOTE(overfloe @ Nov 24 2010, 10:18 AM)
very nice indeed. but the spec seems a bit slow for a 800x480 resolution.. should be at least 533MHz cpu, otherwise the gps software will be laggy a bit.
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yea, and it only has 64 MB RAM. same like the lokatoo i have, will lag when use garmin. but it's stated this device supports TomTom map. As I know, TomTom gps software less heavy, so maybe it's ok?
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QUOTE(wilsonjack228 @ Nov 23 2010, 07:04 PM)
Today I heard ratting noise from the dashboard ..  doh.gif  doh.gif  only happes at low rpm . make me go nutz la I HATE  that sound ... previously
dun have , dunno why now got it  doh.gif  . I tried off air-con , not the problem . Press on various dashboard parts also cannot ...
dunno from where  sweat.gif
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me oso got at driver side...damm annoying ...but is randomly la..dunno is aircon or dashboard.

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 23 2010, 02:50 PM)
anyone already change the tube A and tube B to solve the metal knocking sound when cornering front driver area? if yes, possible the post the picture and share with us?

i do wrap the tube A and tube B with tyre tube temporary, but somehow rather the knocking sound still persist. need to compare how the replacement tube A and tube B look like.
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go claim warranty oni la..u pay warranty but u dowan use.

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Guys Just wanna double check care to share the cost of 30K Km service.

Im being quoted for 280
Semi syntentic lube oil.
Oil filter
coolant
workmanship...

is this too much..

Added on November 24, 2010, 11:51 am
QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Nov 24 2010, 03:01 AM)
check this out

http://www.myeway.net/product-detail-2.aspx?productid=109

http://www.dhgate.com/custom-car-dvd-and-g...79a8735c65.html
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really nice.

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QUOTE(Josh_M @ Nov 24 2010, 11:45 AM)
Guys Just wanna double check care to share the cost of 30K Km service.

Im being quoted for 280
Semi syntentic lube oil.
Oil filter
coolant
workmanship...

is this too much..

Added on November 24, 2010, 11:51 am
really nice.
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my car hit 28k liao, would like to know the average cost as well.
your last service did'nt change the coolant?
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Cool.... is this a real product? how much it cost?
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my car hit 28k liao, would like to know the average cost as well.
your last service did'nt change the coolant?
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no never change.. i hope our guys can klet us know how much they kena..
seems like too expensive.
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It is horrible schedule / managing. I need to call to Proton I-Care to get things move. Total call 4 times.

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no never change.. i hope our guys can klet us know how much they kena..
seems like too expensive.
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huh ? 30k never change coolant ? ur car still running fine ?
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Walao...Back to office, car left at SC HQ to change sealant. Reach 7:10AM, Eat then 7:40am register.  Evening to take, left HQ about 1pm.. Tonight I write the story.

It is horrible schedule / managing. I need to call to Proton I-Care to get things move. Total call 4 times.
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Not a new thing to hear about...... accustomed to it already whistling.gif
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Not a new thing to hear about...... accustomed to it already  whistling.gif
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Each time called I-care, some1 will immediately attend to me. adui... Their first mistake is my appointment.

They did not include in the list and resulted I have to wait damn long. They check with their operator, operator said got change, no add in list.

haih...I bang them 9 9 only they do for me and will done by today, firstly ask me to leave my car and bang bang bang, they said evening ready.

So wait news lo.
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anyone ever got problems with noisy front brake calipers for their beloved Persona? Mine is noisy and it goes "klok klok klok klok" when going pass yellow lines in straight roads.

really2 annoying. it goes away when i put my foot on the brake pedal and apply very slight pressure...so confirmed its the calipers.
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huh ? 30k never change coolant ? ur car still running fine ?
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yep running fine...


guys anyone with 30K service cost at ur respective SC's
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anyone ever got problems with noisy front brake calipers for their beloved Persona? Mine is noisy and it goes "klok klok klok klok" when going pass yellow lines in straight roads.

really2 annoying. it goes away when i put my foot on the brake pedal and apply very slight pressure...so confirmed its the calipers.
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Yup same problem here. Like driving lorry.
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Finally got my car back. Tonight or on the way back will whack above 90km/h to check
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please put me in the list

trinittrotoleune = solid white H/L

already two years using persona... so far... ok la... but my power window at the driver side already make a problem with it's knocking sound... for normal condition... the panel window stop moving when reach its limit even though you still pressing the power window switch.... but mine is worst... the window won't stop even though reach its limit...i have to release my power window switch same when the window reach the end.. if i late to release the switch... knocking sound will produce....because of the window keep on moving even it's already reach the end

just want to know... FYI my persona still under warranty... is it possible for me to ask the SC fix the problem without paying anything?

is it possible to ask the SC to resetting back my ECU... my persona feel a lil bit heavy when i'm turn on my air cond...i'm afraid this is because of the exhaust system modification i made... so sifoo's out here.. please give me an advice
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Nov 24 2010, 04:23 PM)
anyone ever got problems with noisy front brake calipers for their beloved Persona? Mine is noisy and it goes "klok klok klok klok" when going pass yellow lines in straight roads.

really2 annoying. it goes away when i put my foot on the brake pedal and apply very slight pressure...so confirmed its the calipers.
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QUOTE(jasontantenghuat @ Nov 24 2010, 04:33 PM)
Yup same problem here. Like driving lorry.
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So did you do anything to it??? Warranty claim or anything?
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So did you do anything to it??? Warranty claim or anything?
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Ask the Proton fella checked but still got sound.

Took outside mechanic, also still got sound cry.gif
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Finally got my car back. Tonight or on the way back will whack above 90km/h to check
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did u change tube A and tube B? did u upgrade the ECU firmware to solve the ECM relay issue?
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did u change tube A and tube B? did u upgrade the ECU firmware to solve the ECM relay issue?
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ECU? tak tau got problem or not.

Tube no change coz need order parts. might as well i do in serdang when service 5k
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ECU? tak tau got problem or not.

Tube no change coz need order parts. might as well i do in serdang when service 5k
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so u order the tube A and tube B? waiting the parts to arrive?
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Im contestant number #3 here. Spot my Proton Persona. biggrin.gif

http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/11/f...tailing-by.html

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/car...#post1063322809

The gloss after washing, claying, coating and waxing was superb. I seriously would recommend to all. Products are very cheap too. It takes barely 45mins to wash, clay, opti-seal it and wax. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

The pride of KC's detailing job. His rarest detailing job ever. Porsche Design Edition 1 Cayman.
http://prodetailing.blogspot.com/2010/04/p...on-optimum.html


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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 24 2010, 11:03 PM)
Im contestant number #3 here. Spot my Proton Persona.  biggrin.gif

http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/11/f...tailing-by.html

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/car...#post1063322809

The gloss after washing, claying, coating and waxing was superb. I seriously would recommend to all. Products are very cheap too. It takes barely 45mins to wash, clay, opti-seal it and wax.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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bro mind to share the cost of all those products.... biggrin.gif and what are the product names...? need them for references smile.gif
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bro mind to share the cost of all those products.... biggrin.gif and what are the product names...? need them for references smile.gif
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Its called Optimum Polymer Technologies (OPT), http://optimumcarcare.blogspot.com/.

Its really very easy. U know those black car very easy to see the swirl marks? Mine has been totally removed.

All u need to do was wash the car with Optimum No Rinse (ONR), clay the car with ONR as lube, spray opti-seal to prevent scratches, then wax it.
Total package is around rm340 if im not mistaken. I will be getting it next mth. Opti-seal can also be used to repel water like Rain-X. But its much cheaper. rclxms.gif
If u are interested u can just call up KC, he will teach u everything on how to take care of your car, no need to pay anything. Just bring your worst condition car u have in your house to him and he will do a few samples on ur car to prove it. Seeing is believing.

Next mth if we have TT i will try to invite KC over to demo. He is quite busy at the moment and is a bit free only on next mth.

Note: I do not however take responsibility of the temptation for you to purchase the products after you have seen the results.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 24 2010, 11:28 PM)
Its called Optimum Polymer Technologies (OPT), http://optimumcarcare.blogspot.com/.

Its really very easy. U know those black car very easy to see the swirl marks? Mine has been totally removed.

All u need to do was wash the car with Optimum No Rinse (ONR), clay the car with ONR as lube, spray opti-seal to prevent scratches, then wax it.
Total package is around rm340 if im not mistaken. I will be getting it next mth. Opti-seal can also be used to repel water like Rain-X. But its much cheaper.  rclxms.gif 
If u are interested u can just call up KC, he will teach u everything on how to take care of your car, no need to pay anything. Just bring your worst condition car u have in your house to him and he will do a few samples on ur car to prove it. Seeing is believing.

Next mth if we have TT i will try to invite KC over to demo. He is quite busy at the moment and is a bit free only on next mth. 

Note: I do not however take responsibility of the temptation for you to purchase the products after you have seen the results..  tongue.gif
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my ride is a BLACK PERSONA ... so yess.. i hate those swirls.... what is the thing that remove the swirls? well 340 is still quite costly man..
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 24 2010, 11:46 PM)
my ride is a BLACK PERSONA ... so yess.. i hate those swirls.... what is the thing that remove the swirls? well 340 is still quite costly man..
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The opti-seal removes the swirls perfectly. RM340 is the whole package lah.. If u only take those stuff to wash the exterior of the car then i think 250++ only.
the rm250 comes with a ONR to wash ur car around 32times, opti-seal that can coat ur car up to 40times, and car wax. For me i think its reasonable lah.. Cos its so easy to apply. All the products i stated above can create this effect.
http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/04/l...che-design.html

Better than sending ur car to car wash and wax. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 24 2010, 11:55 PM)
The opti-seal removes the swirls perfectly. RM340 is the whole package lah.. If u only take those stuff to wash the exterior of the car then i think 250++ only.
the rm250 comes with a ONR to wash ur car around 32times, opti-seal that can coat ur car up to 40times, and car wax. For me i think its reasonable lah.. Cos its so easy to apply. All the products i stated above can create this effect.
http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/04/l...che-design.html

Better than sending ur car to car wash and wax.  thumbup.gif
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anywhere i can get a breakdown of the prices for each item?
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so u order the tube A and tube B? waiting the parts to arrive?
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Ordered quite some time at serdang SC. So 5k service go there do all once lo.
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anywhere i can get a breakdown of the prices for each item?
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Not too sure about it lah.. Maybe u can call KC up to chat with him..
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2.1k mileage to go till 2nd service. Today is my Car 1 Month old. lolz
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Not too sure about it lah.. Maybe u can call KC up to chat with him..
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I also had purchased those ONR product few weeks ago before i receive my car.

After reading KC blog I'll never send my ride to roadside car wash. If u go thru his blog u can see the damage done by those so call cheap car wash.

I can list price for some of the product

ONR wash = rm85 (free 3 micro fibre towel)
OCWax = rm75 (free 2 micro fibre towel)
Optiseal = rm 125


great seller he teach me how to use it when i buy the stuff.

ZenGTMM do u personally know KC?
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Wah quite costly. I read KC blog also. Then i wash and wax my car myself by hand & follow his step. I do still get some swirls but very minimal. I only use cheap wax like Kit, Black Magic , Soft 99 Fusso Coat. (Maybe is because my mom sometimes wipe my car in the morning cause it)

I am interested in the PowerClean and the Opti Seal Product product. Seem can clean a lot stuff. Very clean.

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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 25 2010, 09:12 AM)
I also had purchased those ONR product few weeks ago before i receive my car.

After reading KC blog I'll never send my ride to roadside car wash. If u go thru his blog u can see the damage done by those so call cheap car wash.

I can list price for some of the product

ONR wash = rm85 (free 3 micro fibre towel)
OCWax = rm75 (free 2 micro fibre towel)
Optiseal = rm 125
great seller he teach me how to use it when i buy the stuff.

ZenGTMM do u personally know KC?
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Nope.. I call him up after I read his post in ZTH while i was searching for polish and wax kit.


QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:17 AM)
Wah quite costly. I read KC blog also. Then i wash and wax  my car myself  by hand & follow his step. I do still get some swirls but very minimal. I only use cheap wax like Kit, Black Magic , Soft 99 Fusso Coat. (Maybe is because my mom sometimes wipe my car in the morning cause it)

I am interested in the PowerClean and the Opti Seal Product product. Seem can clean a lot stuff. Very clean.
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Me too Kit and Soft 99 Soft fan too.. rclxms.gif

Since there are a few people interested here.. How bout maybe we do a bulk order from him? Ask for more discounts. tongue.gif
I hvnt found any cheaper sources in ZTH or LYN to date..


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Soft99 got 2 type right?

Finding for both but only saw 1 selling.
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Soft99 got 2 type right?

Finding for both but only saw 1 selling.
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I think got many more ady. Got meta clean which im using for my old car. Soft for new car.. I have also seen soft99 super white, super dark/black, metallic, metallic and pearl. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 25 2010, 09:27 AM)
I think got many more ady. Got meta clean which im using for my old car. Soft for new car.. I have also seen soft99 super white, super dark/black, metallic, metallic and pearl.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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i using this
http://www.lelong.com.my/soft-99-fusso-pow...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Meta Clean not so good.
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:17 AM)
Wah quite costly. I read KC blog also. Then i wash and wax  my car myself  by hand & follow his step. I do still get some swirls but very minimal. I only use cheap wax like Kit, Black Magic , Soft 99 Fusso Coat. (Maybe is because my mom sometimes wipe my car in the morning cause it)

I am interested in the PowerClean and the Opti Seal Product product. Seem can clean a lot stuff. Very clean.
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Yeah at first I also think the same way, but for ONR wash for RM85 plus free 3 MF towel u can wash at least 22 times.(1 MF towel normally cost RM10)

So if u wash out side let say RM8x22 =rm176. It will cost u double plus u get free swirl rclxub.gif

To avoid swirl pls use MF towel. No gudmorning towel ok shakehead.gif
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i use cap ayam wax. but seem like cannot last longer.
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Hmm, sent to those ppl do once a year bah. Whole car polish.

Lazy do at home.. No Time...lolz.
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Everyone is very old fashioned regarding what kind of wax to be use on their car...
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i use cap ayam wax. but seem like cannot last longer.
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not say cap Ayam la. We not so much budget, so use Kit or Soft 99 wax lo.

I normally wax car every 2 ~ 3 week once. Wash car every week. I wash using MF cloth, Dry also MF cloth , Buff off Wax also MF cloth. (MF Cloth from ACE Hardware) Got like 5 ~ 7 Pcs MF cloth.

Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99 Fusso Coat last longer.

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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:47 AM)
not say cap Ayam la. We not so much budget, so use Kit  or Soft 99  wax lo.

I normally wax car every 2 ~ 3 week once. Wash car every week. I wash using MF cloth, Dry also MF cloth , Buff off Wax also MF cloth. (MF Cloth from ACE Hardware) Got like 5 ~ 7 Pcs MF cloth.

Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99  Fusso Coat last longer.
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really.. ? this seems to be at a more affordable range.... for me rolleyes.gif
will look for this .... currently i just using kit wax.... which cost almost the same..
can use how many time aa this wax?
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Fusso Coat a bit watery. U won't like the smell but it did a good job for it price. 1 thing u need to becareful dun accident wipe at the Black plastic area, Very very hard to get rid it.


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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 09:49 AM)
really.. ? this seems to be at a more affordable range.... for me  rolleyes.gif
will look for this .... currently i just using kit wax.... which cost almost the same..
can use how many time aa this wax?
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u may want try Perma Glass, their product should average, i use their Polymer Sealant, the result really good although not deep shine. but it give u protection to UV, or u can topup to get nxt2.0 tech wax from meguiar's, its wax base on polymer. carnauba wax may look shine like KIT wax and soft99 but really not suitable for weather in m'sia and not last longer if you compare on polymer base wax or sealant.

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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 25 2010, 09:36 AM)
Yeah at first I also think the same way, but for ONR wash for RM85 plus free 3 MF towel u can wash at least 22 times.(1 MF towel normally cost RM10)

So if u wash out side let say RM8x22 =rm176. It will cost u double plus u get free swirl rclxub.gif

To avoid swirl pls use MF towel. No gudmorning towel ok shakehead.gif
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not to say swirl free, even i'm using soft mit's from mothers and meguiar's gold class shampoo and 2 bucket method, their still got swirl mark, atleast by doing this u can reduce the swirl marks compare for those use cheap car wash.

and i never send my car to wash out side. i will do my self and pampered my car with my own hand and ofcoz satisfied 101% thumbup.gif

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hye all persona owner smile.gif

next year i will get a job. the payment is about rm2500.

the question is.
am i afford to buy persona?
and may i know the payment plan. coz im totally zero sweat.gif
will it have really big different between base line , m line and h line?
coz what im know..persona basic is about rm4++++
im aiming for the persona elegance
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there are slightly differences for those variants mentioned
mainly in term of appearance and safety features
in term of performance, there are the same thing for all three variants

for 2010 onwards there will be only Persona Elegance (PE) offered by Proton unless you want to opt for previous version (used car)

for RM2.5k you definitely can have PE and regarding the payment plan will be base on the financing mechanism that you opt for the hire-purchase

glad this little information can give you the idea
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QUOTE(da drummer @ Nov 25 2010, 11:54 AM)
hye all persona owner smile.gif

next year i will get a job. the payment is about rm2500.

the question is.
am i afford to buy persona?
and may i know the payment plan. coz im totally zero  sweat.gif 
will it have really big different between base line , m line and h line?
coz what im know..persona basic is about rm4++++
im aiming for the persona elegance
thnx  notworthy.gif
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Hmm better work few months first or best if confirm already baru get a car. Safer mang. Unless got parent to backup in case the company is a lousy one and u need to find other job.


Payment i guess around 800 i think for full loan and 7 years. LOL might be wrong. I took 25k loan for 5 yrs and the payment is RM500 monthly.
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 25 2010, 12:18 PM)
Hmm better work few months first or best if confirm already baru get a car. Safer mang. Unless got parent to backup in case the company is a lousy one and u need to find other job.
Payment i guess around 800 i think for full loan and 7 years. LOL might be wrong. I took 25k loan for 5 yrs and the payment is RM500 monthly.
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if you already confirm that you will be a teacher (provided it is a government teacher) that you shouldn't be any problem, just you need to wait a little while for the down-payment (10%) and to opt for 5/7/9 years.
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QUOTE(ask_dino @ Nov 25 2010, 12:43 PM)
if you already confirm that you will be a teacher (provided it is a government teacher) that you shouldn't be any problem, just you need to wait a little while for the down-payment (10%) and to opt for 5/7/9 years.
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u may want try Perma Glass, their product should average, i use their Polymer Sealant, the result really good although not deep shine. but it give u protection to UV,
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Im using Perma Glass also, usually i only apply it once every six months with three coatings. How you applied yours?
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:47 AM)
not say cap Ayam la. We not so much budget, so use Kit  or Soft 99  wax lo.

I normally wax car every 2 ~ 3 week once. Wash car every week. I wash using MF cloth, Dry also MF cloth , Buff off Wax also MF cloth. (MF Cloth from ACE Hardware) Got like 5 ~ 7 Pcs MF cloth.

Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99  Fusso Coat last longer.
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Bro you wash and wax the car by your own aaa? You damn sayang your car man... respect notworthy.gif
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Bro you wash and wax the car by your own aaa? You damn sayang your car man... respect notworthy.gif
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i think some of us do !! is good time spent on a weekend smile.gif is just like exercising tongue.gif and saves alot of money ... unless u get those expensive stuff.. i doubt outside car wash....those below rm15 will use anything expensive on our car.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(darkorama @ Nov 25 2010, 12:50 PM)
Im using Perma Glass also, usually i only apply it once every six months with three coatings. How you applied yours?
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i wash my car and after that clay bar it, i just use 1layer and then quick detail it with meg's UQD since UQD made from polymer also. the result very smooth on surface and also no finger print on paint

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 01:07 PM)
i think some of us do !! is good time spent on a weekend smile.gif is just like exercising tongue.gif and saves alot of money ... unless u get those expensive stuff.. i doubt outside car wash....those below rm15 will use anything expensive on our car.. smile.gif
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i enjoy wash my own car with my hand and also can save a-lot $$$ and the result is on what we do..

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not say cap Ayam la. We not so much budget, so use Kit  or Soft 99  wax lo.

I normally wax car every 2 ~ 3 week once. Wash car every week. I wash using MF cloth, Dry also MF cloth , Buff off Wax also MF cloth. (MF Cloth from ACE Hardware) Got like 5 ~ 7 Pcs MF cloth.

Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99  Fusso Coat last longer.
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fusso coat consider polish or wax? for new paint, i think wax enough to protect the paint.
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hye all persona owner smile.gif

next year i will get a job. the payment is about rm2500.

the question is.
am i afford to buy persona?
and may i know the payment plan. coz im totally zero  sweat.gif  
will it have really big different between base line , m line and h line?
coz what im know..persona basic is about rm4++++
im aiming for the persona elegance
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H line = M line + active safety + a lil convenience thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 25 2010, 01:20 PM)
fusso coat consider polish or wax? for new paint, i think wax enough to protect the paint.
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haha cos u chose the right colour.... u PE is chiffon green right... if u r driving BLACK... u will know is insufficient

btw do u guys notice that actually the colour of the skirting on PE ... actually looks slightly dull then the body? haha only noticeable at certain sunlight angle and distance... i purposely look for it to notice it.. cos some inspira owner complain their ride has this problem..haha i notice my PE also got abit different...

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Just replaced my ATF at RM124 for 4 litres plus labor RM18, total RM142.00.

ATF was replaced at 26k KM. The magnetic drain plug was heavily coated with metal shavings. ohmy.gif
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Just replaced my ATF at RM124 for 4 litres plus labor RM18, total RM142.00.

ATF was replaced at 26k KM. The magnetic drain plug was heavily coated with metal shavings.  ohmy.gif
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fusso coat consider polish or wax? for new paint, i think wax enough to protect the paint.
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Wax. For claying, don't do so often BUT IT IS MOST IMPORTANT STEP FOR THE FIRST TIME, Clay the car 6 month once. When u wash , use ur hand feel the surface,

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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:47 AM)
Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99  Fusso Coat last longer.
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Ya agree. The last time my family car, the kit wax like after 3weeks then totally gone ady.. Cant feel the smoothness and water beading at all.. After change to Soft99 can last a bit longer lah.. around 1mth+ like that..

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Bro you wash and wax the car by your own aaa? You damn sayang your car man... respect notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 01:07 PM)
i think some of us do !! is good time spent on a weekend smile.gif is just like exercising tongue.gif and saves alot of money ... unless u get those expensive stuff.. i doubt outside car wash....those below rm15 will use anything expensive on our car.. smile.gif
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Ya wei.. I dont like sending my car for car wash.. Main hentam only and not clean too. Now stay in condo ady so have to sent to car wash lah.. But then with ONR.. Bye bye to car wash. icon_rolleyes.gif

Added on November 25, 2010, 7:22 pmOk here is a RON95 fuel comparison done by kereta.info.

http://kereta.info/differences-of-ron-95-p...tex-esso-mobil/

First we need to clear the basic question. Whats the difference between RON95 and RON97?
The only difference is RON97 can resist knock more better than RON95. That means it can enable ur engine to produce more power IF YOUR ENGINE IS RUNNING MID TO HIGH COMPRESSION (eg 10.5:1 and above) Then the anti-knock properties in the petrol will be used to its advantage. However if ur engine is low comp, 9.5:1 and below.. U would actually feel a lost of power in your car due to the slower combustion nature of the petrol.

As we can see from the videos,
Shell claims lower friction, Petronas claims more power, Caltex claims it has Techron, BHP claims they threw every single shit they can get inside and Esso/Mobil claims all of the above.. So whose bullcrap do we buy?

From the video. Petronas Ron95 burns the longest. This is consistent with Ron97 petrol where the combustion is slightly slower and more stable to enable high comp engine to compress the mixture further b4 it ignites it. As for BHP having the largest flame and Esso,Mobil and Caltex burns the fastest, this is more suitable for low to mid comp engines as the combustion chamber when the piston is at TDC is larger than hi-comp engines. Therefore the more rapid the expansion of gas in the chamber will result in more horsepower and torque. esso,mobil and caltex burns the fastest, which means maximum amount of torque is created as early as possible, causing the highest combustion chamber pressure to push the pistons down as fast as possible.

Ignition timing is always slightly before TDC. This is because when a mixtures is combusted, it constricts first b4 it expands. Therefore as a mixture is ignited slightly before TDC, the mixture will constrict, causing lesser pressure as the piston moves up and when the pistons move past its TDC, the mixture is timed just nice to expand at the same moment. MAX efficiency, MAX torque.

Have you heard of engine knock?
One way of overcoming engine knock is to allow the fuel to be ignited later in the compression stroke, this means having less ignition advance. If the fuel is ignited later, then the pressures above the piston will be less during the early stages of the power stroke. This results in engine knock being removed.

Therefore for Campro engines with 10:1 compression ratio, the best fuel would be Esso/Mobil/Caltex, as Campro compression is not high nor too low. We are placed at the 'sweet' spot to prevent engine knock if RON95 is used, but also not much room of advantage if we were to use RON97.



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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 25 2010, 06:27 PM)
Ya agree. The last time my family car, the kit wax like after 3weeks then totally gone ady.. Cant feel the smoothness and water beading at all.. After change to Soft99 can last a bit longer lah.. around 1mth+ like that..
Ya wei.. I dont like sending my car for car wash.. Main hentam only and not clean too. Now stay in condo ady so have to sent to car wash lah.. But then with ONR.. Bye bye to car wash.   icon_rolleyes.gif

Added on November 25, 2010, 7:22 pmOk here is a RON95 fuel comparison done by kereta.info.

http://kereta.info/differences-of-ron-95-p...tex-esso-mobil/

First we need to clear the basic question. Whats the difference between RON95 and RON97?
The only difference is RON97 can resist knock more better than RON95. That means it can enable ur engine to produce more power IF YOUR ENGINE IS RUNNING MID TO HIGH COMPRESSION (eg 10.5:1  and above) Then the anti-knock properties in the petrol will be used to its advantage. However if ur engine is low comp, 9.5:1 and below.. U would actually feel a lost of power in your car due to the slower combustion nature of the petrol.

As we can see from the videos,
Shell claims lower friction, Petronas claims more power, Caltex claims it has Techron, BHP claims they threw every single shit they can get inside and Esso/Mobil claims all of the above.. So whose bullcrap do we buy?
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well i also not feel engine knocking happen in our campro when using RON95, just the difference with RON97 is performance and ofcoz 97 produce more torque so more mileage.

what petrol brand u use ZenGTMM? i just use petronas since 1st day collect the car my SA fill full tank with pertronas RON95 and i feel petronas petrol suite campro the best

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 25 2010, 06:27 PM)


http://kereta.info/differences-of-ron-95-p...tex-esso-mobil/

Therefore for Campro engines with 10:1 compression ratio, the best fuel would be Esso/Mobil/Caltex, as Campro compression is not high nor too low.
How did u come to this conclusion from the video and facts given? .... if we dont consider those additive for friction modification...
basic physics .... should be burn hotter... or burn longer... means more energy ? isnt it?
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i oni know ron97 works better on cars that need the power like ferrari,fiat.

I use petronas coz got x5 points...hehe

But i tested shell can go further wor..

I c bhp got nobody at kg kayu ara there..shell got 10 car..bhp got 1 car.
esso opposite shell and bhp..chaplap edi..haha

mobil hard to find edi..caltex more suitable for tough car

imho..hehe
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Nov 25 2010, 07:26 PM)
well i also not feel engine knocking happen in our campro when using RON95, just the difference with RON97 is performance and ofcoz 97 produce more torque so more mileage.

what petrol brand u use ZenGTMM? i just use petronas since 1st day collect the car my SA fill full tank with pertronas RON95 and i feel petronas petrol suite campro the best
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I have used bhp for my first tank, shell for 2nd, esso for 3rd and 4th tank.. Then partially will rm20 with shell when my tank ran almost dry and the car was choking a bit..

So far what i can deduce is, bhp gives good power, best mileage among all 3 tanks. Esso gives best amount of pick up. Im staying in subang and every morning i go to college i can feel the difference.. Shell so far i dont feel good.. Engine feels heavy, even on the 2nd partial fill.. The revs like dont want to climb.. And mileage was poor. On my full tank of Shell i was travelling on highway 85% of the time.. Nvr speed more than 130/140 max.. Went to KLIA, then went to seremban and back from subang. Got poorer mileage compared to town driving.. hmm.gif I will be giving Caltex a try for my next tank..

QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 08:16 PM)
How did u come to this conclusion from the video and facts given? .... if we dont consider those additive for friction modification...
basic physics .... should be burn hotter... or burn longer... means more energy ? isnt it?
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I used to work part time data entry in NanoTag Malaysia. The one that they put nanotag into diesel. I was in charge of entering all those test data and results that were in printed form cos the softcopy was destroyed. There were at least 20binders of test and results from different fuel companies about their additives and emission standards and nanotags specification. I had to manually type into Word and save it as a softcopy. SO i got to read the reports too.. Man.. They were super detailed..

That time there was only Ron92 and Ron97. They did test so analyze emission standards from different fuel using 5 different types of cars (different CC and compression ratio). Thats how i picked up this knowledge lah..

If basic physics, burning hotter and longer means more energy release. But in a combustion engine, the mixture is aneamic (lesser oxygen so that the engine doesnt burn lean and overheat). Engine needs maximum energy to be transferred from fuel form to gas form. Thats why we need the mixture to combust, prevent excessive loss of energy in light form or sound form. As compression goes higher + cylinder head heat, petrol will combust spontaneously at a certain point. Ron97 is able to resist early combustion due to its more stable and slow burn nature, allowing the cylinder head to compress the mixture a bit more b4 it detonates itself too.





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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 26 2010, 01:13 AM)
I have used bhp for my first tank, shell for 2nd, esso for 3rd and 4th tank.. Then partially will rm20 with shell when my tank ran almost dry and the car was choking a bit..

So far what i can deduce is, bhp gives good power, best mileage among all 3 tanks. Esso gives best amount of pick up. Im staying in subang and every morning i go to college i can feel the difference.. Shell so far i dont feel good.. Engine feels heavy, even on the 2nd partial fill.. The revs like dont want to climb.. And mileage was poor. On my full tank of Shell i was travelling on highway 85% of the time.. Nvr speed more than 130/140 max.. Went to KLIA, then went to seremban and back from subang. Got poorer mileage compared to town driving..  hmm.gif I will be giving Caltex a try for my next tank..

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Agreed. I also feel shell less power. Mileage also poor.
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Agreed. I also feel shell less power. Mileage also poor.
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same here..pump shell 95...feel quite slow pick up....compare to my regular esso 95.... still thinks esso 95 still the best...
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Agreed. I also feel shell less power. Mileage also poor.
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same here..pump shell 95...feel quite slow pick up....compare to my regular esso 95.... still thinks esso 95 still the best...
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Friction modification tech went wrong i suppose.. hmm.gif Adding extra friction.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 26 2010, 01:13 AM)

If basic physics, burning hotter and longer means more energy release. But in a combustion engine, the mixture is aneamic (lesser oxygen so that the engine doesnt burn lean and overheat). Engine needs maximum energy to be transferred from fuel form to gas form. Thats why we need the mixture to combust, prevent excessive loss of energy in light form or sound form. As compression goes higher + cylinder head heat, petrol will combust spontaneously at a certain point. Ron97 is able to resist early combustion due to its more stable and slow burn nature, allowing the cylinder head to compress the mixture a bit more b4 it detonates itself too.

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Agree ... agree .. but i still dont quite get how u come to that conclusion based on the posting on kereta.info ? or u have any other source that says caltex/esso/mobil combust better? sorry sorry. i felt i sound like i m challenging ur point of view.. but .. i m just curious.... wink.gif

but i do think we shouldn't mix fuel tat often? ... the additives of different brands might be reactive to one another? but then again.. maybe the reaction gives more powaahhh??? hahaha
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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Nov 26 2010, 02:40 AM)
same here..pump shell 95...feel quite slow pick up....compare to my regular esso 95.... still thinks esso 95 still the best...
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 26 2010, 12:41 AM)
i oni know ron97 works better on cars that need the power like ferrari,fiat.

I use petronas coz got x5 points...hehe

But i tested shell can go further wor..

I c bhp got nobody at kg kayu ara there..shell got 10 car..bhp got 1 car.
esso opposite shell and bhp..chaplap edi..haha

mobil hard to find edi..caltex more suitable for tough car

imho..hehe
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I use petronas for the same reason ..hehehe
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Guess what, all my issue fixed. Except the metak knocking which wait for parts. Now wiper make noise. Not rubber, duno the plastic or metal.
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Check out this blog.


http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/

I wish i can be his apprentice. Really love his work

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 26 2010, 08:50 AM)
Agree ... agree .. but i still dont quite get how u come to that conclusion based on the posting on kereta.info ? or u have any other source that says caltex/esso/mobil combust better? sorry sorry. i felt i sound like i m challenging ur point of view.. but .. i m just curious.... wink.gif

but i do think we shouldn't mix fuel tat often? ...  the additives of different brands might be reactive to one another? but then again.. maybe the reaction gives more powaahhh??? hahaha
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LOL No worries.. Well the main reason for all the test done by NanoTag was to determine whether their nanotag additives in different petrol with additives with different car compression would create any adverse effect on power and fuel consumption. They tested cars with 9:1, 9.5:1, 10:1, 10.5:1 and 11.3:1 compression.. So there was a bunch of dyno results and analysis and explanation by some German company as well as Petronas on the changes of data..
It was found out that with lower compression NA engines, the fuel needed to be lower octane and with as less additives as possible to prevent the fuel from stabilizing. So that when its combusted it reacts more violently and burns even faster. Thats why people do complaint that when they pump Ron92 into their cars, the engine sounds a bit harsher. Because almost everyone was using Ron97 at that time and fuel companies like Esso icon_rolleyes.gif do not add any additives into their Ron92 petrol to cut cost.

The highest operating compression without knocking at standard temp (87.5celcius) for Ron92 is 10.5:1(benchtest), but in real world it definitely will be much lesser as engine load, environment condition and intake air temp plays a very huge part too. So from there i infer that for 10:1 compression, it would be better to use some fuel that combust faster instead to gain maximum torque as ron95 fuel will have a much higher compression tolerance than 10.5:1 even under engine load.

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A lot of tiger points collecter here.. hahaha...

Anyone have used Caltex before with good feedback??


QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 26 2010, 09:39 AM)
Guess what, all my issue fixed. Except the metak knocking which wait for parts. Now wiper make noise. Not rubber, duno the plastic or metal.
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Good for you.. Peace of mind now. The wiper noise is it from the arm there? Cos when i went for my first service a guy driving PE also claimed for wiper arm replacement. He said the wiper was not smooth and when the wiper was turn on it moved like the screw was loose like that.

QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 26 2010, 09:47 AM)
Check out this blog.
http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/

I wish i can be his apprentice. Really love his work
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Can lah.. Just give him a call.. Ask him if u can follow him on his next detailing job. Im sure he would be glad to invite you.. I will be joining him for his detailing work in the end of dec to learn some skills from him.. So when i get my Lambo that time i can wax it myself. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 26 2010, 08:50 AM)
Agree ... agree .. but i still dont quite get how u come to that conclusion based on the posting on kereta.info ? or u have any other source that says caltex/esso/mobil combust better? sorry sorry. i felt i sound like i m challenging ur point of view.. but .. i m just curious.... wink.gif

but i do think we shouldn't mix fuel tat often? ...  the additives of different brands might be reactive to one another? but then again.. maybe the reaction gives more powaahhh??? hahaha
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worried mixing fuel brands? never bother. been driving more than 10 years and with many cars before. never had any sort of issue at all.

switching from ron92 to ron97 back and forth and now between ron97 and ron95 no issues also.

just that carburator engines might require retarding its ignition timing a bit if using lower ron numbers eg. from 97 to 92 or down to 95. but then once retarded, switching back to 97 would give less torque and power and need to increase ignition timing again. so better stick to the same ron fuel. I played soooooo much with such settings back in the days when i drove a carburator engine Honda Civic. tongue.gif Oh not to forget, carburator engined Pajero and Wira too.

as for FI engines (fuel injection engines / new gen engines), ignition timings are auto adjusted accordingly when it sensed different ron fuels are used. so that to optimize the engine performance.

BUT...... its a fact that each and every car manufacturer and car model / makes designed their engines to run on specific min ron fuels. SO..... any higher ron fuels would be useless. Meaning, most of the time..... its only in the mind. To me, i always use the min ron fuels for all my cars. Never bothered about those ron97 or vpower nonsense. Why? Because its a NA engine car..... it does not require any higher ron fuel. its designed to run optimally with its minimum fuel ron. So putting in higher ron will not make it any more powerful or better.

Its all marketing strategy from fuel companies. Marketing is indeed.....POWERFUL. Can cuci ppl's minds. laugh.gif laugh.gif Too bad dun work on me (brain wash).

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 26 2010, 10:12 AM)
LOL No worries.. Well the main reason for all the test done by NanoTag was to determine whether their nanotag additives in different petrol with additives with different car compression would create any adverse effect on power and fuel consumption. They tested cars with 9:1, 9.5:1, 10:1, 10.5:1 and 11.3:1 compression.. So there was a bunch of dyno results and analysis and explanation by some German company as well as Petronas on the changes of data..
It was found out that with lower compression NA engines, the fuel needed to be lower octane and with as less additives as possible to prevent the fuel from stabilizing. So that when its combusted it reacts more violently and burns even faster. Thats why people do complaint that when they pump Ron92 into their cars, the engine sounds a bit harsher. Because almost everyone was using Ron97 at that time and fuel companies like Esso icon_rolleyes.gif do not add any additives into their Ron92 petrol to cut cost.

The highest operating compression without knocking at standard temp (87.5celcius) for Ron92 is 10.5:1(benchtest), but in real world it definitely will be much lesser as engine load, environment condition and intake air temp plays a very huge part too. So from there i infer that for 10:1 compression, it would be better to use some fuel that combust faster instead to gain maximum torque as ron95 fuel will have a much higher compression tolerance than 10.5:1 even under engine load.
A lot of tiger points collecter here.. hahaha...

Anyone have used Caltex before with good feedback??
Good for you.. Peace of mind now. The wiper noise is it from the arm there? Cos when i went for my first service a guy driving PE also claimed for wiper arm replacement. He said the wiper was not smooth and when the wiper was turn on it moved like the screw was loose like that.
Can lah.. Just give him a call.. Ask him if u can follow him on his next detailing job. Im sure he would be glad to invite you.. I will be joining him for his detailing work in the end of dec to learn some skills from him.. So when i get my Lambo that time i can wax it myself.  tongue.gif
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using RON95 already quite powerful

from 0 to 100kph takes less than 10 seconds, for A/T
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but i do think we shouldn't mix fuel tat often? ...  the additives of different brands might be reactive to one another? but then again.. maybe the reaction gives more powaahhh??? hahaha
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waa.. bro got facts for the above statement? I mix my petrol quite often 1... Shell, Esso, BHP all rojak rclxub.gif
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yesterday got some feella failed badly on parking his lorry and smash my rear lamp and my bumper , after nego with him and say no to his money, i demand he repair all my broken thing back to normal before his accident, repaint all cost him around RM 600+ , new persona right side rear lamp cost RM390 , repaint + all work + labour cost 225 after nego ..all demand he pay and fully settle smile.gif pictar on the broken lamp will be post when back from work XD

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Nov 26 2010, 11:27 AM)
waa.. bro got facts for the above statement? I mix my petrol quite often 1... Shell, Esso, BHP all rojak  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(shaff @ Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM)
yesterday got some feella failed badly on parking his lorry and smash my rear lamp and my bumper , after nego with him and say no to his money, i demand he repair all my broken thing back to normal before his accident, repaint all cost him around RM 600+ , new persona right side rear lamp cost RM390 , repaint + all work + labour cost 225 after nego ..all demand he pay and fully settle smile.gif pictar on the broken lamp will be post when back from work XD
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Ouch.. Sakit lah... Nvm lah at least no body damage.. No need to ketuk ketuk.. And the fella willing to pay to repair it.. Btw bro.. Pls take back your broken rear lamp. I want to see what kind of LED they use in it so can DIY some projects in the future.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shaff @ Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM)
yesterday got some feella failed badly on parking his lorry and smash my rear lamp and my bumper , after nego with him and say no to his money, i demand he repair all my broken thing back to normal before his accident, repaint all cost him around RM 600+ , new persona right side rear lamp cost RM390 , repaint + all work + labour cost 225 after nego ..all demand he pay and fully settle smile.gif pictar on the broken lamp will be post when back from work XD
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btw..when accident,the first thing ppl alwiz say no money or in a hurry..hoping u say nonit to pay...If no money,y u simply drive?
After dat,u will c them got money...so remember not to settle in for the money they offer.

Added on November 26, 2010, 12:36 pmalwiz mix fuel...long term..yur tank rosak...den blame proton lousy,malaysia quality shit..bla bla bla smile.gif

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QUOTE(shaff @ Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM)
yesterday got some feella failed badly on parking his lorry and smash my rear lamp and my bumper , after nego with him and say no to his money, i demand he repair all my broken thing back to normal before his accident, repaint all cost him around RM 600+ , new persona right side rear lamp cost RM390 , repaint + all work + labour cost 225 after nego ..all demand he pay and fully settle smile.gif pictar on the broken lamp will be post when back from work XD
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how he paid u that much money on the spot?
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he didnt pay to me, i drive him to nearest workshop for paint job and nearest proton service outlet for the lamp, he pay and i keep the recipt .
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using RON95 already quite powerful

from 0 to 100kph takes less than 10 seconds, for A/T
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Mate, r u sure about tis? blink.gif My M/T only could run under 10 seconds after 1st service. after 2nd service my car bcom weaker. mayb da ECU already recognised my driving style.

i juz fulfilled my tank wif RON95=RM65.00 (usually RON97=RM75.00). wat i can say about da differences r unbelievable! RON95 sounds cheap like 30 liters make u save rm9.00 from RON97 but not really. i seldom use RON95 since da v 1st day i got my car, so i can notice da diffence clearly.

1. throttle response bcom slower
2. i could hear da engine underpowered sound wen i change gear in low RPM (like engine almost off)
3. power unstable wen i cruise at low RPM
4. engine sounds louder at idle as like it breathe harder.
5. wen i get down from car, i could feel da engine temperature is higher
6. all those above gave me a horrible driving experience, vv horrible
7. fuel consumption from 8.8l/100km to 10.1l/100km, for same routine trip

*i used RON95 bcos i couldn't any gas station within 50km tat sells RON97 during long distance driving.

those r my experience wif RON95. i use SHELL bcos here we don have BHP n Caltex n so on.
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LOL No worries.. Well the main reason for all the test done by NanoTag was to determine whether their nanotag additives in different petrol with additives with different car compression would create any adverse effect on power and fuel consumption. They tested cars with 9:1, 9.5:1, 10:1, 10.5:1 and 11.3:1 compression.. So there was a bunch of dyno results and analysis and explanation by some German company as well as Petronas on the changes of data..
It was found out that with lower compression NA engines, the fuel needed to be lower octane and with as less additives as possible to prevent the fuel from stabilizing. So that when its combusted it reacts more violently and burns even faster. Thats why people do complaint that when they pump Ron92 into their cars, the engine sounds a bit harsher. Because almost everyone was using Ron97 at that time and fuel companies like Esso icon_rolleyes.gif do not add any additives into their Ron92 petrol to cut cost.

The highest operating compression without knocking at standard temp (87.5celcius) for Ron92 is 10.5:1(benchtest), but in real world it definitely will be much lesser as engine load, environment condition and intake air temp plays a very huge part too. So from there i infer that for 10:1 compression, it would be better to use some fuel that combust faster instead to gain maximum torque as ron95 fuel will have a much higher compression tolerance than 10.5:1 even under engine load.
A lot of tiger points collecter here.. hahaha...

Anyone have used Caltex before with good feedback??
Good for you.. Peace of mind now. The wiper noise is it from the arm there? Cos when i went for my first service a guy driving PE also claimed for wiper arm replacement. He said the wiper was not smooth and when the wiper was turn on it moved like the screw was loose like that.
Can lah.. Just give him a call.. Ask him if u can follow him on his next detailing job. Im sure he would be glad to invite you.. I will be joining him for his detailing work in the end of dec to learn some skills from him.. So when i get my Lambo that time i can wax it myself.  tongue.gif
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i use caltex before, pick up more power compare to esso but compare overall fc esso still better.

i will rate them with the following order

power = 1) caltex 2) esso 3) bhp

economy = 1) esso 2) bhp 3) caltex
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QUOTE(ys2719 @ Nov 26 2010, 01:46 PM)
Mate, r u sure about tis?  blink.gif My M/T only could run under 10 seconds after 1st service. after 2nd service my car bcom weaker. mayb da ECU already recognised my driving style.

i juz fulfilled my tank wif RON95=RM65.00 (usually RON97=RM75.00). wat i can say about da differences r unbelievable! RON95 sounds cheap like 30 liters make u save rm9.00 from RON97 but not really. i seldom use RON95 since da v 1st day i got my car, so i can notice da diffence clearly.

1. throttle response bcom slower
2. i could hear da engine underpowered sound wen i change gear in low RPM (like engine almost off)
3. power unstable wen i cruise at low RPM
4. engine sounds louder at idle as like it breathe harder.
5. wen i get down from car, i could feel da engine temperature is higher
6. all those above gave me a horrible driving experience, vv horrible
7. fuel consumption from 8.8l/100km to 10.1l/100km, for same routine trip

*i used RON95 bcos i couldn't any gas station within 50km tat sells RON97 during long distance driving.

those r my experience wif RON95. i use SHELL bcos here we don have BHP n Caltex n so on.
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Possible causes:-
Overfilled engine oil after 2nd service causing you to feel its heavier.

From my point of view:-
1. Throttle is fast and barely lags at all (of course it will never be like cable type which is the best as it has this direct feel to it and its faster even). First generation persona and gen2 have laggy throttle response.
2. Engine is smooth and powerful
3. Smooth engine
4. Pretty silent except the radiator fan coming on. Persona Elegance models are louder due to double fan design. It makes a low pitched humming sound if compared with the early Persona models with single large fan. Not that the earlier models are any more quieter in this section. But if compred, PE is a little louder for sure. Don't shoot me cuz i sat in a few already and compared. So i am 100% sure on this.
5. Temp felt higher during hot day wink.gif
6. So far its all damn good.
7. Fuel consumption is a constant 6.9 to 7.2l/100km same routine trips.

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Nov 26 2010, 11:27 AM)
waa.. bro got facts for the above statement? I mix my petrol quite often 1... Shell, Esso, BHP all rojak  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 26 2010, 12:33 PM)
alwiz mix fuel...long term..yur tank rosak...den blame proton lousy,malaysia quality shit..bla bla bla smile.gif
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Tank will rosak meh? All the companies claim to provide better cleaning of engine.. Smoother running.. So which company is left to dirty the tank?

I know in the US u can purchase either branded fuel (Shell,BP, EXXON etc), but there are also supermarket fuel sold by Tesco etc.. Supermarket fuel is pure fuel, no additives, branded one have their secret potion mixed in as well.

QUOTE(ys2719 @ Nov 26 2010, 01:46 PM)
Mate, r u sure about tis?  blink.gif My M/T only could run under 10 seconds after 1st service. after 2nd service my car bcom weaker. mayb da ECU already recognised my driving style.

i juz fulfilled my tank wif RON95=RM65.00 (usually RON97=RM75.00). wat i can say about da differences r unbelievable! RON95 sounds cheap like 30 liters make u save rm9.00 from RON97 but not really. i seldom use RON95 since da v 1st day i got my car, so i can notice da diffence clearly.

1. throttle response bcom slower
2. i could hear da engine underpowered sound wen i change gear in low RPM (like engine almost off)
3. power unstable wen i cruise at low RPM
4. engine sounds louder at idle as like it breathe harder.
5. wen i get down from car, i could feel da engine temperature is higher
6. all those above gave me a horrible driving experience, vv horrible
7. fuel consumption from 8.8l/100km to 10.1l/100km, for same routine trip

*i used RON95 bcos i couldn't any gas station within 50km tat sells RON97 during long distance driving.

those r my experience wif RON95. i use SHELL bcos here we don have BHP n Caltex n so on.
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Bro try using Esso for one time.. Shell i have felt the same thing too.. See whether there is an improvement.
I second dattebayo. My AT also runs below 10sec. More like 8sec. Tarik engine until 5000rpm then only change gear..

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 26 2010, 02:36 PM)
Tank will rosak meh? All the companies claim to provide better cleaning of engine.. Smoother running.. So which company is left to dirty the tank?

I know in the US u can purchase either branded fuel (Shell,BP, EXXON etc), but there are also supermarket fuel sold by Tesco etc.. Supermarket fuel is pure fuel, no additives, branded one have their secret potion mixed in as well.
Bro try using Esso for one time.. Shell i have felt the same thing too.. See whether there is an improvement.
I second dattebayo. My AT also runs below 10sec. More like 8sec. Tarik engine until 5000rpm then only change gear..
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wow! so persona A/T actually a fast car? under 10seconds man! tat is like a merc c200 compressor engine. gd gd. hahaha. i'll try esso next time den i wil report back to u all again. cool2.gif
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Does any1 have the Lokatoo gps which is running processor Atlas 3? i accidently deleted the Guider file, however the official website of Lokatoo software and maps for Atlas 3 unable to download, wtf??!! can any1 upload the file or provide me a link tht i can download it
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you can get it from the cd
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QUOTE(ys2719 @ Nov 26 2010, 03:58 PM)
wow! so persona A/T actually a fast car? under 10seconds man! tat is like a merc c200 compressor engine. gd gd. hahaha. i'll try esso next time den i wil report back to u all again.  cool2.gif
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well if u tarik until 5000 rpm.... is totally a different story..... i never tried tat high.. at 4000 rpm.. can already feel the roaring of the engine.... is all about the torque and rpm smile.gif..
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Does any1 have the Lokatoo gps which is running processor Atlas 3? i accidently deleted the Guider file, however the official website of Lokatoo software and maps for Atlas 3 unable to download, wtf??!! can any1 upload the file or provide me a link tht i can download it
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just copy back from the original CD
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Does any1 have the Lokatoo gps which is running processor Atlas 3? i accidently deleted the Guider file, however the official website of Lokatoo software and maps for Atlas 3 unable to download, wtf??!! can any1 upload the file or provide me a link tht i can download it
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Hi magnumrolez. Like the chteh0721 and kausar have said, you can copy it from the CD provided in your GPS package. But if you have misplaced the CD or are having problems, you can always give our toll free Customer Service helpline a call at 1800 88 0308.
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Hi all... does the GPS provided by Persona HL is any good? Garmin better?

Does it have warranty?
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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Nov 26 2010, 11:27 AM)
waa.. bro got facts for the above statement? I mix my petrol quite often 1... Shell, Esso, BHP all rojak  rclxub.gif
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i thk mixing won hurt tank..unless mix between ron 97 n 95.

QUOTE(ys2719 @ Nov 26 2010, 01:46 PM)
Mate, r u sure about tis?  blink.gif My M/T only could run under 10 seconds after 1st service. after 2nd service my car bcom weaker. mayb da ECU already recognised my driving style.

i juz fulfilled my tank wif RON95=RM65.00 (usually RON97=RM75.00). wat i can say about da differences r unbelievable! RON95 sounds cheap like 30 liters make u save rm9.00 from RON97 but not really. i seldom use RON95 since da v 1st day i got my car, so i can notice da diffence clearly.

1. throttle response bcom slower
2. i could hear da engine underpowered sound wen i change gear in low RPM (like engine almost off)
3. power unstable wen i cruise at low RPM
4. engine sounds louder at idle as like it breathe harder.
5. wen i get down from car, i could feel da engine temperature is higher
6. all those above gave me a horrible driving experience, vv horrible
7. fuel consumption from 8.8l/100km to 10.1l/100km, for same routine trip

*i used RON95 bcos i couldn't any gas station within 50km tat sells RON97 during long distance driving.

those r my experience wif RON95. i use SHELL bcos here we don have BHP n Caltex n so on.
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shell sucks..no pick up..chg caltex!

QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 26 2010, 04:11 PM)
well if u tarik until 5000 rpm.... is totally a different story..... i never tried  tat high.. at 4000 rpm.. can already feel the roaring of the engine....  is all about the torque and rpm smile.gif..
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my auto can rev til 7k rpm ^^
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Hi all... does the GPS provided by Persona HL is any good? Garmin better?

Does it have warranty?
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the original software pretty lack in function, i'll advise you change to other gps software, anyway we're not going to discuss it here since there's rep from lokatoo here haha tongue.gif
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I was told that SC can remap / reflash the ecu / tcu for more power or better fc????

Any idea about this???
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dont need to manually change gear oso can 100kmph in less than 10 sec la...the brochure put 14sec oni...doesnt mean 14sec..
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Does it have warranty?
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garmin or papago will be better.
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 27 2010, 10:09 AM)
dont need to manually change gear oso can 100kmph in less than 10 sec la...the brochure put 14sec oni...doesnt mean 14sec..
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u guys really did it bellow 10sec to 100km/h? rclxub.gif i cant imagine how ur engine roaring that time..
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just did my 1000km service today at Tmn Midah SC..
came in at 9.20am and servicing finished 1 hour later..

overall, Taman Midah SC passed!! rclxms.gif

but the queue for free car wash was too long..servicing settled at 10.20am but due to car wash, I only got my car at 11.20am!!! cry.gif

total spent: RM 122 (inclusive of Shell Helix 10/40, orifice valve, screen wash, oil filter)
but my Daring Club card could not be used here..


klok klok sound during cornering also solved (at least as of today)
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Ya u can.. U just have to go to a dealer with a PDT handheld tuner.. They can change settings for you on the fly. .
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Nov 27 2010, 07:25 PM)
u guys really did it bellow 10sec to 100km/h?  rclxub.gif i cant imagine how ur engine roaring that time..
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its possible, but dont try too often, unless ur wallet is fat and thick icon_idea.gif

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Ya u can.. U just have to go to a dealer with a PDT handheld tuner.. They can change settings for you on the fly. .
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QUOTE(antkuchiki @ Nov 27 2010, 09:09 PM)
just did my 1000km service today at Tmn Midah SC..
came in at 9.20am and servicing finished 1 hour later..

overall, Taman Midah SC passed!! rclxms.gif

but the queue for free car wash was too long..servicing settled at 10.20am but due to car wash, I only got my car at 11.20am!!!  cry.gif

total spent: RM 122 (inclusive of Shell Helix 10/40, orifice valve, screen wash, oil filter)
but my Daring Club card could not be used here..
klok klok sound during cornering also solved (at least as of today)
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can share wif us how da mechanic solve da cornering sound prob? mine stil having tat annoying sound during cornering a.
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 27 2010, 09:52 PM)
i thought persona 16 bit ecu is not tuneable ?
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Not tunable to an extreme level.. But i have seen some shops with the PDT (Proton Diagnostic Tools) doing minor tuning for it.. Like adjust engine speed and fuel consumption.

QUOTE(ys2719 @ Nov 27 2010, 09:58 PM)
can share wif us how da mechanic solve da cornering sound prob? mine stil having tat annoying sound during cornering a.
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U have to change the power steering assembly. Its covered under the warranty. Just go to Proton SC to complaint and they replace it for you.
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Reporting in - PE HL Tranquility Black. QAV8668 rclxm9.gif Thank you . Got it Friday ... sent to sc on sat ...

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 27 2010, 11:45 PM)
Not tunable to an extreme level.. But i have seen some shops with the PDT (Proton Diagnostic Tools) doing minor tuning for it.. Like adjust engine speed and fuel consumption.
U have to change the power steering assembly. Its covered under the warranty. Just go to Proton SC to complaint and they replace it for you.
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what should i tell them to replace ? orifice valve? and what would they change for us?
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what should i tell them to replace ? orifice valve? and what would they change for us?
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Just say when u are cornering u hear knocking noise on the right hand side.. Say the noise coming from the engine part there.. They will change the whole steering assembly for you..
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Added on November 28, 2010, 1:52 amWow. So fast page 11 liao

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just tell them what u hear, or feel and when it happen...no charge since it under warranty, i even got free power steering fluid thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 27 2010, 09:44 AM)
i thk mixing won hurt tank..unless mix between ron 97 n 95.
shell sucks..no pick up..chg caltex!
my auto can rev til 7k rpm ^^
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caltex supporter here also. thumbup.gif
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just tell them what u hear, or feel and when it happen...no charge since it under warranty, i even got free power steering fluid  thumbup.gif
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Hi guys, got myself a new Persona, but noticed that the seatbelt indicator does not light up in the meter. Is this normal for all Personas? and the player does not play music from my USB thumbdrive as well, going to try with another thumbdrive later doh.gif
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Hi guys, got myself a new Persona, but noticed that the seatbelt indicator does not light up in the meter. Is this normal for all Personas? and the player does not play music from my USB thumbdrive as well, going to try with another thumbdrive later doh.gif
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Seat belt indicator only for export version
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Seat belt indicator only for export version
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Guess Proton is not being appreciative towards its own base customer huh? sad.gif
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Thanks for the clarification smile.gif
Guess Proton is not being appreciative towards its own base customer huh? sad.gif
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They know Malaysians will just get used to the blinking light.
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hahaha...
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anyone here have change their timing belt? mine 70k d...and going to change soon at 80k..wonder how much will it costs at SC...?
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http://www.proton-edar.com.my/aftersales.aspx

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http://www.proton-edar.com.my/aftersales.aspx

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thanks......very informative... :-)

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QUOTE(Asus @ Nov 28 2010, 08:00 PM)
Just notice there's something under the pedal
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you can remove it....its actually a stopper to let the engine rev up to 6000rpm...but if you remove it, it will climb up to 6500rpm and change to next gear... laugh.gif
and slightly more topspeed..(i think)

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you can remove it....its actually a stopper to let the engine rev up to 6000rpm...but if you remove it, it will climb up to 6500rpm and change to next gear... laugh.gif
and slightly more topspeed..(i think)
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apply to auto only?
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not sure...but mine is auto.....as for manual i think once you remove it, you can rev it higher and slightly higher topspeed...from what i observe..la...before removing this, 180km is the max...but once i remove that stopper....can climb sommore till 185/190km.....
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hi guys, im an owner of new persona elegance b-line auto. Just want to share my fuel consumption. Poured RON97 for RM77, 60% city driving + 40% Highway. Average speed from 80-120km/h. Clocked 410km. Is this good enuf for the car of shud be going more? Please share ur experience.
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QUOTE(iphoneguy08 @ Nov 28 2010, 11:27 PM)
hi guys, im an owner of new persona elegance b-line auto. Just want to share my fuel consumption. Poured RON97 for RM77, 60% city driving + 40% Highway. Average speed from 80-120km/h. Clocked 410km. Is this good enuf for the car of shud be going more? Please share ur experience.
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to me, its very good..cause u got that mileage in auto trans thumbup.gif
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hi guys, im an owner of new persona elegance b-line auto. Just want to share my fuel consumption. Poured RON97 for RM77, 60% city driving + 40% Highway. Average speed from 80-120km/h. Clocked 410km. Is this good enuf for the car of shud be going more? Please share ur experience.
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that good enuf. normally i got 330km only.
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that good enuf. normally i got 330km only.
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Thks guys. May be i shud try using RON95 and post the results here.
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thats good already, mine is around 20cents/km (ron97)
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thats good already, mine is around 20cents/km (ron97)
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Just say when u are cornering u hear knocking noise on the right hand side.. Say the noise coming from the engine part there.. They will change the whole steering assembly for you..
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which sc you go for ? the power steering fluid what brand lai de? cuz mine kinda hard to turn...
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If im nt mistaken they use the same oil rgt?

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If im nt mistaken they use the same oil rgt?
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huh really? hmmmm others brand like honda or toyota good ? i mean the power steering oil
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QUOTE(iphoneguy08 @ Nov 28 2010, 11:27 PM)
hi guys, im an owner of new persona elegance b-line auto. Just want to share my fuel consumption. Poured RON97 for RM77, 60% city driving + 40% Highway. Average speed from 80-120km/h. Clocked 410km. Is this good enuf for the car of shud be going more? Please share ur experience.
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RM77=35.81L of Ron97.. Thats very good.. Normally for around 36L i get 330km++ only..

Just came back from ipoh yesterday.. Poured Esso Ron97, initially engine felt really sluggish cause i was using ron95 all the way. After like 40km the engine felt much more powerful compared with ron95 at 3.4k revs and above. Engine felt much smoother too compared to ron95 when i was on my way up from KL - Ipoh.
At 5k rpm i was able to touch 195kmh (Ron95 max 190 only) flex.gif and i manage to reach a top speed of ~202kmh. The car felt a bit floaty at that speed sweat.gif Then it started raining shakehead.gif so had to slow down..

Anybody still using the Silverstone Kruizer here? Beware as under heavy rain, u will have possibility of aquaplanning at speed @70kmh and above. shakehead.gif
The car was like on going on wet mud like that, can feel the tires are not gripping well and the back tires feel twitchy..

QUOTE(saddient @ Nov 29 2010, 02:04 AM)
which sc you go for ? the power steering fluid what brand lai de? cuz mine kinda hard to turn...
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CoSE. They said they will replace the whole assembly for me and it will include the power steering fluid too. I think they will use back the Proton OEM one lah.. Surely they wouldnt use other brands when there is Proton OEM available..

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Nov 28 2010, 09:49 PM)
not sure...but mine is auto.....as for manual i think once you remove it, you can rev it higher and slightly higher topspeed...from what i observe..la...before removing this, 180km is the max...but once i remove that stopper....can climb sommore till 185/190km.....
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rev higher? with that stopper in place, mine can rev very easily to rev cut at 7.2k rpm. that stopper is there for a reason which is to prevent unnecessary wear to the drive by wire pedal internal components.
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RM77=35.81L of Ron97.. Thats very good.. Normally for around 36L i get 330km++ only..

Just came back from ipoh yesterday.. Poured Esso Ron97, initially engine felt really sluggish cause i was using ron95 all the way. After like 40km the engine felt much more powerful compared with ron95 at 3.4k revs and above. Engine felt much smoother too compared to ron95 when i was on my way up from KL - Ipoh.
At 5k rpm i was able to touch 195kmh (Ron95 max 190 only) flex.gif and i manage to reach a top speed of ~202kmh. The car felt a bit floaty at that speed  sweat.gif  Then it started raining  shakehead.gif so had to slow down..

Anybody still using the Silverstone Kruizer here? Beware as under heavy rain, u will have possibility of aquaplanning at speed @70kmh and above.  shakehead.gif
The car was like on going on wet mud like that, can feel the tires are not gripping well and the back tires feel twitchy..
SoCE. They said they will replace the whole assembly for me and it will include the power steering fluid too. I think they will use back the Proton OEM one lah.. Surely they wouldnt use other brands when there is Proton OEM available..
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mana itu SOCE? what lube they are using ?
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mana itu SOCE? what lube they are using ?
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i think he's talking about COSE in kesas highway there
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LOL Paiseh.. Ya its CoSE, beside the Kesas highway one. They are using Petronas Semi (RM97) and Shell helix HX7 (RM99). Please do appointment with them earlier on if not it will take a long time to service ur car..

(my computer always keep on auto correct shakehead.gif )

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LOL Paiseh.. Ya its SoCE, beside the Kesas highway one. They are using Petronas Semi (RM97) and Shell helix HX7 (RM99). Please do appointment with them earlier on if not it will take a long time to service ur car..
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mistake again, it's COSE tongue.gif
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joining the club with PE b line.


few questions to fellow persona's owner,

- b line steering wheel feels very heavy normal?

- left tire bearing is broken in the first day normal? (report to SC, told me wait 2 weeks for replacement free of charge coz under warranty)

- boot unlock via key button available for b line?

- 1st service rm?
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 29 2010, 11:10 AM)
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Hi fren, tht sound coz by the power steering assy. Bring to PSC, they will replace for u. For me i notice the sound on the 1st day aft taking delivery of the Car. It seems according to the SA all persona hv this prob. Correct me if im wrong. If u saying its a diff sound othr thn tht mgt b smthg else. My car dont hv any sound frm dashboard. Mgt probably its still new. Anyway hw old is ur car?

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 08:12 AM)
RM77=35.81L of Ron97.. Thats very good.. Normally for around 36L i get 330km++ only..

Just came back from ipoh yesterday.. Poured Esso Ron97, initially engine felt really sluggish cause i was using ron95 all the way. After like 40km the engine felt much more powerful compared with ron95 at 3.4k revs and above. Engine felt much smoother too compared to ron95 when i was on my way up from KL - Ipoh.
At 5k rpm i was able to touch 195kmh (Ron95 max 190 only) flex.gif and i manage to reach a top speed of ~202kmh. The car felt a bit floaty at that speed  sweat.gif  Then it started raining  shakehead.gif so had to slow down..

Anybody still using the Silverstone Kruizer here? Beware as under heavy rain, u will have possibility of aquaplanning at speed @70kmh and above.  shakehead.gif
The car was like on going on wet mud like that, can feel the tires are not gripping well and the back tires feel twitchy..
CoSE. They said they will replace the whole assembly for me and it will include the power steering fluid too. I think they will use back the Proton OEM one lah.. Surely they wouldnt use other brands when there is Proton OEM available..
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Hi thr, but the 1st time i poured full tank, it only clocked 280km. Aft tht improved slowly especialy aft done 1st service. Need to try with ron95.

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QUOTE(Mr_47 @ Nov 29 2010, 12:09 PM)
joining the club with PE b line.
few questions to fellow persona's owner,

- b line steering wheel feels very heavy normal?

- left tire bearing is broken in the first day normal? (report to SC, told me wait 2 weeks for replacement free of charge coz under warranty)

- boot unlock via key button available for b line?

- 1st service rm?
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Welcome to the club.. Whats ur car color and transmission?

Im a b line (A) as well.
1) Steering wheel ok lah.. Lighter than Saga BLM IMO.. Definitely not as light as Vios..

2) Definitely not normal.. Nothing should be broken on the first day of getting the car, except for ur wallet. XD But since its getting replaced FOC then its ok lah..

3) No boot release also.. Have to retrofit it if u want..

4) 1st service RM114 for me. (Shell Helix HX7, drain plug and oil filter).
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 01:40 PM)
Welcome to the club.. Whats ur car color and transmission?

Im a b line (A) as well.
1) Steering wheel ok lah.. Lighter than Saga BLM IMO.. Definitely not as light as Vios..

2) Definitely not normal.. Nothing should be broken on the first day of getting the car, except for ur wallet. XD But since its getting replaced FOC then its ok lah..

3) No boot release also.. Have to retrofit it if u want..

4) 1st service RM114 for me. (Shell Helix HX7, drain plug and oil filter).
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service charge should put in the 1st page, but anywhere can always refer to proton website
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service charge should put in the 1st page, but anywhere can always refer to proton website
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Roger that.. Been a bit busy with classes for these few days.. Will update the list on 1st dec. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Roger that..  Been a bit busy with classes for these few days.. Will update the list on 1st dec.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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the cornering sound.. .. and also the seatbelt indicator... notice it has been repeatedly asked often
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i think he's talking about COSE in kesas highway there
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Lol Cose and Soce so much difference tongue.gif
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Serdang SC dun allow others lube. Which SC can use others?
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Serdang SC dun allow others lube. Which SC can use others?
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QUOTE(iphoneguy08 @ Nov 29 2010, 01:11 PM)
Hi fren, tht sound coz by the power steering assy. Bring to PSC, they will replace for u. For me i notice the sound on the 1st day aft taking delivery of the Car. It seems according to the SA all persona hv this prob. Correct me if im wrong. If u saying its a diff sound othr thn tht mgt b smthg else. My car dont hv any sound frm dashboard. Mgt probably its still new. Anyway hw old is ur car?

Added on November 29, 2010, 1:25 pm

Hi thr, but the 1st time i poured full tank, it only clocked 280km. Aft tht improved slowly especialy aft done 1st service. Need to try with ron95.
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um, i'm new here, and i just process my loan for persona facelift yesterday. i took b line cos m line is over my budget d. what color is nicer for persona? actually i opt for brilliant red just like saga se, with black rooftop. but since now none offered that color, so i'll respray after 2yrs old. so guys can you give opinion what color i should choose? i choose genetic silver at first cos quite nice. but i think of black cos if i respray to saga se color, the rooftop no need respray cos black color too, so will it save money?or workshop calculate based on how many type of color you use? and how's fuel consumption of persona? add airbag how much? can persona b line retrofit with abs + ebd?

Thanks!

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:19 PM)
um, i'm new here, and i just process my loan for persona facelift yesterday. i took b line cos m line is over my budget d. what color is nicer for persona? actually i opt for brilliant red just like saga se, with black rooftop. but since now none offered that color, so i'll respray after 2yrs old. so guys can you give opinion what color i should choose? i choose genetic silver at first cos quite nice. but i think of black cos if i respray to saga se color, the rooftop no need respray cos black color too, so will it save money?or workshop calculate based on how many type of color you use? and how's fuel consumption of persona? add airbag how much? can persona b line retrofit with abs + ebd?

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why don't you straight order H-Line so you don't have all these problems ? if you add those feature subsequently there's no warranty for it
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h line no budget la, just started working abt 1 year d. summore i wanna drive manual 1st. of course i just wanna know the price, see is it worth the while to upgrade. that's all. if take h line, i'd rather take inspira smile.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:19 PM)
um, i'm new here, and i just process my loan for persona facelift yesterday. i took b line cos m line is over my budget d. what color is nicer for persona? actually i opt for brilliant red just like saga se, with black rooftop. but since now none offered that color, so i'll respray after 2yrs old. so guys can you give opinion what color i should choose? i choose genetic silver at first cos quite nice. but i think of black cos if i respray to saga se color, the rooftop no need respray cos black color too, so will it save money?or workshop calculate based on how many type of color you use? and how's fuel consumption of persona? add airbag how much? can persona b line retrofit with abs + ebd?

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B-Line and M-Line different not much right ?
I also last time want to get B-Line. after looking all the spec...I took the M-Line
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 29 2010, 04:37 PM)
B-Line and M-Line different not much right ?
I also last time want to get B-Line. after looking all the spec...I took the M-Line
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different much d, my budget is saga se or facelifted 1, but after looking thru several options, i go for persona b line smile.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:33 PM)
h line no budget la, just started working abt 1 year d. summore i wanna drive manual 1st. of course i just wanna know the price, see is it worth the while to upgrade. that's all. if take h line, i'd rather take inspira smile.gif
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yeah i understand ur situation.. I also opted for H-Line in the start, but due to the bank not approving 100% loan for me, so i had to downgrade it to B Line as im still studying now and i dont have the money to pay that much of downpayment.

QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 29 2010, 04:37 PM)
B-Line and M-Line different not much right ?
I also last time want to get B-Line. after looking all the spec...I took the M-Line
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There is around 6k difference in price.. 10k for BL to HL.. Not much if average it out on the monthly payment, but quite significant if have to pay the downpayment outright.
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 05:01 PM)
yeah i understand ur situation.. I also opted for H-Line in the start, but due to the bank not approving 100% loan for me, so i had to downgrade it to B Line as im still studying now and i dont have the money to pay that much of downpayment.
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high 5 to that, i'm gonna take my car abt early jan, the feeling definitely better than saga, and i might need to do travelling often between kl and pg. eek eek eek...
i took some car test around the showroom yesterday, at first i wanna buy saga se, but when the SA convinced me to try persona, it was....amazing, the cruising speed and the pickup is good, and i also drive like siao kia that time, i made rough cornering until the SA said he might get heart atk if i do that again(i shouldnt play need for speed doh.gif )

ok here's why i choose b line persona:
1) 1.6
2) bigger compartment(make love easier, oh sorry sorry just joking tongue.gif )
3) bigger trunk(can keep chainsaw to make kl chainsaw massacre)
4) bigger tyres(i dont like saga wheelbase small like men's tities)
5) 4 power windows(facelift saga also got, why dont take that? imo saga facelifted become incompatible, if you're not a sport car, dont use sporty look)
6) gear clutch and steering better control(shift into the future, nissan slogan wor...)
7) look terre(big car can frighten ppl)
8) no airbag(wtf?! no airbag also wanna buy? ahem, got my own reasons. acutally airbag will make us throw caution into the wind, drive fast, then, even if you wear iron man suit also cant save you, due to g-force. ae86 also no airbag, no abs+ebd, but still become cultural icon? think abt it...)
9) i can afford it
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 29 2010, 05:33 PM)
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See Jap , KOrea and Local cars only. Volvo ,Merc, BMW and COntinental car not there


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http://paultan.org/2010/07/19/kl-internati...ices-announced/

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For PE, I saw some of the forumers saiying that, FC reduce and power slightly increase after ECU firmware upgraded to version 3.9. Anyone experienced this?
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See Jap , KOrea and Local cars only. Volvo ,Merc, BMW and COntinental car not there
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:33 PM)
h line no budget la, just started working abt 1 year d. summore i wanna drive manual 1st. of course i just wanna know the price, see is it worth the while to upgrade. that's all. if take h line, i'd rather take inspira smile.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 05:28 PM)
high 5 to that, i'm gonna take my car abt early jan, the feeling definitely better than saga, and i might need to do travelling often between kl and pg. eek eek eek...
i took some car test around the showroom yesterday, at first i wanna buy saga se, but  when the SA convinced me to try persona, it was....amazing, the cruising speed and the pickup is good, and i also drive like siao kia that time, i made rough cornering until the SA said he might get heart atk if i do that again(i shouldnt play need for speed doh.gif )

ok here's why i choose b line persona:
1) 1.6
2) bigger compartment(make love easier, oh sorry sorry just joking  tongue.gif )
3) bigger trunk(can keep chainsaw to make kl chainsaw massacre)
4) bigger tyres(i dont like saga wheelbase small like men's tities)
5) 4 power windows(facelift saga also got, why dont take that? imo saga facelifted become incompatible, if you're not a sport car, dont use sporty look)
6) gear clutch and steering better control(shift into the future, nissan slogan wor...)
7) look terre(big car can frighten ppl)
8) no airbag(wtf?! no airbag also wanna buy? ahem, got my own reasons. acutally airbag will make us throw caution into the wind, drive fast, then, even if you wear iron man suit also cant save you, due to g-force. ae86 also no airbag, no abs+ebd, but still become cultural icon? think abt it...)
9) i can afford it
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Yes compared to Saga, PE offers better NVH and driving dynamics. Huge car also, go club one time can tapau a lot of chicks back, can also 3p in the rear seat. icon_rolleyes.gif I also have surveyed new and 2nd hand cars in the 50k range b4.. Criterias are it must not be too old. Reasonable comfort. Cheap spare parts and maintenance. Low FC (proton phail), good resale value, reasonable overall cost of ownership (car price, interest, FC, service cost, modding cost, design and size)
1) 2nd hand sentra N16 - nah, i ady have one sentra at home and sentra's interior looks dated.
2) 1st gen vios. Slightly more than 50k due to higher demand. My cousin bro have one and it has been giving lots of trouble 3yrs into his ownership and the car quality deteriorates too fast.
3) E36 BMW - Spare parts can kill you.
4) Myvi - There are more Myvi than rubbish on Msian roads and Myvi is due for a facelift next year. No boot, not really low FC, way to overpriced for its quality.
5) Wira 2nd hand - Looks nice but its too old lah...
6) Persona 1st gen - PE looks way better.

Thats all i can think about for now lah.. Still PE FTW,

QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 29 2010, 05:33 PM)
anybody going to the coming klims?
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nvm i go see chicks haha tongue.gif
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Me me me!!! Im going on friday morning.. As early as possible to avoid the weekend crowd also also to get a better look at the chicks before they get tired of standing all the time there.. XDD.. And they will be more willing to take pic with u.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
Make sure u go to gym on weds night.. Pump weights till u almost die then for thurs and fri cardio like there is no tmr and eat lots and lots of protein stuffs with low fat.. Sure by friday will get the buff look ady.. haha..


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QUOTE(rckh @ Nov 29 2010, 05:51 PM)
Persona is not cheap to maintain.  Buy other cheaper makes with higher specs.  to suit your budget. B-Line not recommended.
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nope, as i said i need to do some travelling between kl and pg, saga would not meet my end, so i chose persona
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Serdang SC dun allow others lube. Which SC can use others?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 07:36 PM)
nope, as i said i need to do some travelling between kl and pg, saga would not meet my end, so i chose persona
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BTW. The sales person didn't tell you about the soon-to-be-launched Saga facelift?


http://paultan.org/2010/10/25/proton-saga-...ch-of-spyshots/


http://paultan.org/2010/08/09/proton-saga-...tong-nkve-toll/
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 29 2010, 02:43 PM)
Serdang SC dun allow others lube. Which SC can use others?
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mana itu SOCE? what lube they are using ?
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When u plan to go change? I want to change also the power steering assembly as cornering also got sound from front right.

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 07:12 AM)
RM77=35.81L of Ron97.. Thats very good.. Normally for around 36L i get 330km++ only..

Just came back from ipoh yesterday.. Poured Esso Ron97, initially engine felt really sluggish cause i was using ron95 all the way. After like 40km the engine felt much more powerful compared with ron95 at 3.4k revs and above. Engine felt much smoother too compared to ron95 when i was on my way up from KL - Ipoh.
At 5k rpm i was able to touch 195kmh (Ron95 max 190 only) flex.gif and i manage to reach a top speed of ~202kmh. The car felt a bit floaty at that speed   sweat.gif  Then it started raining  shakehead.gif so had to slow down..

Anybody still using the Silverstone Kruizer here? Beware as under heavy rain, u will have possibility of aquaplanning at speed @70kmh and above.  shakehead.gif
The car was like on going on wet mud like that, can feel the tires are not gripping well and the back tires feel twitchy..
CoSE. They said they will replace the whole assembly for me and it will include the power steering fluid too. I think they will use back the Proton OEM one lah.. Surely they wouldnt use other brands when there is Proton OEM available..
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Bro, dangerous leh. Drive up till 202km/h.
I am using Silverstone Kruizer.

Added on November 30, 2010, 1:01 am
QUOTE(iphoneguy08 @ Nov 28 2010, 11:27 PM)
hi guys, im an owner of new persona elegance b-line auto. Just want to share my fuel consumption. Poured RON97 for RM77, 60% city driving + 40% Highway. Average speed from 80-120km/h. Clocked 410km. Is this good enuf for the car of shud be going more? Please share ur experience.
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juru SC, Penang  thumbup.gif
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For PE, I saw some of the forumers saiying that, FC reduce and power slightly increase after ECU firmware upgraded to version 3.9. Anyone experienced this?
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i noticed tat..pick up beter..fc..huhu..improve damn lot! 350km for my 3/4 tank..=)
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QUOTE(jhbey @ Nov 30 2010, 01:55 AM)
When u plan to go change?  I want to change also the power steering assembly as cornering also got sound from front right.

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Bro, dangerous leh. Drive up till 202km/h.
I am using Silverstone Kruizer.

Added on November 30, 2010, 1:01 am

PE H-Line
Caltex Ron95 - RM70 - 37.842L - clock 415KM
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lol how much is your mileage already ? mine next service is 6km...

and thought of flash to 3.9 version ECU.... some forumer claimed that increase pick up and fc.... real or not.... ?
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QUOTE(rckh @ Nov 29 2010, 09:16 PM)
BTW. The sales person didn't tell you about the soon-to-be-launched Saga facelift?
http://paultan.org/2010/10/25/proton-saga-...ch-of-spyshots/
http://paultan.org/2010/08/09/proton-saga-...tong-nkve-toll/
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i already know that long time ago, but after seeing what proton engineer did to it's face, it's damn ugly, and i wanna get a better car than saga
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QUOTE(jhbey @ Nov 30 2010, 12:55 AM)
Bro, dangerous leh. Drive up till 202km/h.
I am using Silverstone Kruizer.

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PE H-Line
Caltex Ron95 - RM70 - 37.842L - clock 415KM
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Ya wei 202 really dangerous.. But i wanted to test the limits..
WOw 38L u can clock 415KM.. Any mods in ur car?? Do u get stuck in traffic jams most of the time?? Cos i only get max 340km for 36L, but i stay in subang lah.. every morning come out to go college sure jam gila.. Will be stuck in a jam for at least 20mins..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 07:09 PM)
Yes compared to Saga, PE offers better NVH and driving dynamics. Huge car also, go club one time can tapau a lot of chicks back, can also 3p in the rear seat. icon_rolleyes.gif  I also have surveyed new and 2nd hand cars in the 50k range b4.. Criterias are it must not be too old. Reasonable comfort. Cheap spare parts and maintenance. Low FC (proton phail), good resale value, reasonable overall cost of ownership (car price, interest, FC, service cost, modding cost, design and size)
1) 2nd hand sentra N16 - nah, i ady have one sentra at home and sentra's interior looks dated.
2) 1st gen vios. Slightly more than 50k due to higher demand. My cousin bro have one and it has been giving lots of trouble 3yrs into his ownership and the car quality deteriorates too fast.
3) E36 BMW - Spare parts can kill you.
4) Myvi - There are more Myvi than rubbish on Msian roads and Myvi is due for a facelift next year. No boot, not really low FC, way to overpriced for its quality.
5) Wira 2nd hand - Looks nice but its too old lah...
6) Persona 1st gen - PE looks way better.

Thats all i can think about for now lah.. Still PE FTW,
Me me me!!! Im going on friday morning.. As early as possible to avoid the weekend crowd also also to get a better look at the chicks before they get tired of standing all the time there.. XDD.. And they will be more willing to take pic with u..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Make sure u go to gym on weds night.. Pump weights till u almost die then for thurs and fri cardio like there is no tmr and eat lots and lots of protein stuffs with low fat.. Sure by friday will get the buff look  ady.. haha..
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 29 2010, 05:28 PM)
high 5 to that, i'm gonna take my car abt early jan, the feeling definitely better than saga, and i might need to do travelling often between kl and pg. eek eek eek...
i took some car test around the showroom yesterday, at first i wanna buy saga se, but  when the SA convinced me to try persona, it was....amazing, the cruising speed and the pickup is good, and i also drive like siao kia that time, i made rough cornering until the SA said he might get heart atk if i do that again(i shouldnt play need for speed doh.gif )

ok here's why i choose b line persona:
1) 1.6
2) bigger compartment(make love easier, oh sorry sorry just joking  tongue.gif )
3) bigger trunk(can keep chainsaw to make kl chainsaw massacre)
4) bigger tyres(i dont like saga wheelbase small like men's tities)
5) 4 power windows(facelift saga also got, why dont take that? imo saga facelifted become incompatible, if you're not a sport car, dont use sporty look)
6) gear clutch and steering better control(shift into the future, nissan slogan wor...)
7) look terre(big car can frighten ppl)
8) no airbag(wtf?! no airbag also wanna buy? ahem, got my own reasons. acutally airbag will make us throw caution into the wind, drive fast, then, even if you wear iron man suit also cant save you, due to g-force. ae86 also no airbag, no abs+ebd, but still become cultural icon? think abt it...)
9) i can afford it
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humm the main reason why i chose B line over M or H line is because, i am not willing to spend more for a damn local car. No doubt that Persona is a good car though. But as long as the car is stuck with a damn local made logo brand....... no thanks tongue.gif Think of it, cars in this damn country is so damn overpriced. Even the damn local cars are damn f***ing overpriced.

Damn damn!!! laugh.gif

Added on November 30, 2010, 9:14 am
QUOTE(rckh @ Nov 29 2010, 05:51 PM)
Persona is not cheap to maintain.  Buy other cheaper makes with higher specs.  to suit your budget. B-Line not recommended.
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okleh... FC same with MyVi 1.3
Built QC also quite good for this price range.
Of course be smart and do not get cheated by SC by letting them throwing at you all sorts of nonsense add ons to ur car during service.

Changing engine oil, ATF, radiator coolant, brake oil according to mileage based on the service booklet..... no need to follow SC's requirements (They are there to suck your money). And 10k oil change interval under warranty is quite low cost of maintenance already.

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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Nov 30 2010, 09:06 AM)
humm the main reason why i chose B line over M or H line is because, i am not willing to spend more for a damn local car. No doubt that Persona is a good car though. But as long as the car is stuck with a damn local made logo brand....... no thanks tongue.gif Think of it, cars in this damn country is so damn overpriced. Even the damn local cars are damn f***ing overpriced.

Damn damn!!!  laugh.gif
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i agreed with what you said, i missed out that part lol.
hmmm, it is very obvious that 25yrs, proton still cant compete with other carmakers internationally. proton starts from rebadging mitsubishi cars, cut ties with them, shake lotus' nut, then come back kiss mitsubishi ass rclxm9.gif no offense, we NEVER had our 1st national car in 1985, the year i was born.(this is how pride can blinded our reality).
the reasons stems from the protectionism from the government, that it still maintain the car price advantage.
of course the emergence of perodua put proton head to head with it, putting proton somewhat in carmaker competition race. too bad, protectionism kicks in again, perodua can never make sedan as it only for proton. but so what? myvi a subcompact hatchback car that cant even have sex in the car, but still that car is the best selling car!

regarding overprice, i cant agree more than you. malaysia as a country that produce their own car, shouldnt bear the name like 2nd highest in the world in car price. if honda city removed import duty, it would be almost same price as proton saga(shame on you), if vios doesnt imposed on import duty, cheaper than viva( cry.gif ). a friend of mine who lived in america for 10 yrs before, he said, if you can afford toyota camry 2.4v in malaysia, you can afford ferrari in america( doh.gif )

i hope those read this post dont personal atk me like(if you dont like proton car then you keluar dari malaysia!), this proves that you're barbaric than cavemen, i can recommend you to stay the best cave. it's true, i got this racial slur before when i was commenting abt how bad a game, yes a game before, and guess what? personal atk, very immature.

if you're not and discuss this issue like a grown up man/woman, i salute you and buy you a packet of condom icon_rolleyes.gif


FC for persona, i heard is more conservative than myvi, that's why i dont wanna buy myvi. can anyone rectify this?

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 09:25 AM)
i agreed with what you said, i missed out that part lol.
hmmm, it is very obvious that 25yrs, proton still cant compete with other carmakers internationally. proton starts from rebadging mitsubishi cars, cut ties with them, shake lotus' nut, then come back kiss mitsubishi ass rclxm9.gif  no offense, we NEVER had our 1st national car in 1985, the year i was born.(this is how pride can blinded our reality).
the reasons stems from the protectionism from the government, that it still maintain the car price advantage.
of course the emergence of perodua put proton head to head with it, putting proton somewhat in carmaker competition race. too bad, protectionism kicks in again, perodua can never make sedan as it only for proton. but so what? myvi a subcompact hatchback car that cant even have sex in the car, but still that car is the best selling car!

regarding overprice, i cant agree more than you. malaysia as a country that produce their own car, shouldnt bear the name like 2nd highest in the world in car price. if honda city removed import duty, it would be almost same price as proton saga(shame on you), if vios doesnt imposed on import duty, cheaper than viva( cry.gif ). a friend of mine who lived in america for 10 yrs before, he said, if you can afford toyota camry 2.4v in malaysia, you can afford ferrari in america( doh.gif )

i hope those read this post dont personal atk me like(if you dont like proton car then you keluar dari malaysia!), this proves that you're barbaric than cavemen, i can recommend you to stay the best cave. it's true, i got this racial slur before when i was commenting abt how bad a game, yes a game before, and guess what? personal atk, very immature.

if you're not and discuss this issue like a grown up man/woman, i salute you and buy you a packet of condom icon_rolleyes.gif
FC for persona, i heard is more conservative than myvi, that's why i dont wanna buy myvi. can anyone rectify this?
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then high 5, cos not only government sucks, malaysian sucks too, our mentality are close to retard. i bet 2020 never realised and there will be 2040, 2060, 2080 or whatever catchy numbers they can come up with.
talk abt driving car on the road, you see how stupid they drive? ppl say kl ppl drive like daredevil(not like spiderman meh?), but i think kl ppl drive smart, but still sucks. parking, sudden brake, no signal, pass red traffic lights, etc doh.gif
with all suckers and f***ers in this country, and that's what we are, and i still cant sleep well last night(2nd night), sleep at 12, woke up at 4.30am playing lotro. cos i'm too excited abt my new crappy car, some1 must've wanna kill me if i stay close to him 5m, very contradict each other this statement, no choice la, i always drive a bike, this is my 1st car, no need suffer rain anymore(yesterday back from work baru kena, luckily live nearby to office)although proton sucks big time, but i see inspira as a good car(of course la, rebranding ma, malaysia boleh ma, take out that logo and modify to lancer lagi shiok ma)

haha, anyway just wanna start a healthy discussion, if everyone mentality is open, not easily offended, and can take critics well and and transform it into drive force, i'm 120% malaysia will be better than sing-gay-pore
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 09:44 AM)
then high 5, cos not only government sucks, malaysian sucks too, our mentality are close to retard. i bet 2020 never realised and there will be 2040, 2060, 2080 or whatever catchy numbers they can come up with.
talk abt driving car on the road, you see how stupid they drive? ppl say kl ppl drive like daredevil(not like spiderman meh?), but i think kl ppl drive smart, but still sucks. parking, sudden brake, no signal, pass red traffic lights, etc  doh.gif
with all suckers and f***ers in this country, and that's what we are, and i still cant sleep well last night(2nd night), sleep at 12, woke up at 4.30am playing lotro. cos i'm too excited abt my new crappy car, some1 must've wanna kill me if i stay close to him 5m, very contradict each other this statement, no choice la, i always drive a bike, this is my 1st car, no need suffer rain anymore(yesterday back from work baru kena, luckily live nearby to office)although proton sucks big time, but i see inspira as a good car(of course la, rebranding ma, malaysia boleh ma, take out that logo and modify to lancer lagi shiok ma)

haha, anyway just wanna start a healthy discussion, if everyone mentality is open, not easily offended, and can take critics well and and transform it into drive force, i'm 120% malaysia will be better than sing-gay-pore
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 09:25 AM)
i agreed with what you said, i missed out that part lol.
hmmm, it is very obvious that 25yrs, proton still cant compete with other carmakers internationally. proton starts from rebadging mitsubishi cars, cut ties with them, shake lotus' nut, then come back kiss mitsubishi ass rclxm9.gif  no offense, we NEVER had our 1st national car in 1985, the year i was born.(this is how pride can blinded our reality).
the reasons stems from the protectionism from the government, that it still maintain the car price advantage.
of course the emergence of perodua put proton head to head with it, putting proton somewhat in carmaker competition race. too bad, protectionism kicks in again, perodua can never make sedan as it only for proton. but so what? myvi a subcompact hatchback car that cant even have sex in the car, but still that car is the best selling car!

regarding overprice, i cant agree more than you. malaysia as a country that produce their own car, shouldnt bear the name like 2nd highest in the world in car price. if honda city removed import duty, it would be almost same price as proton saga(shame on you), if vios doesnt imposed on import duty, cheaper than viva( cry.gif ). a friend of mine who lived in america for 10 yrs before, he said, if you can afford toyota camry 2.4v in malaysia, you can afford ferrari in america( doh.gif )

i hope those read this post dont personal atk me like(if you dont like proton car then you keluar dari malaysia!), this proves that you're barbaric than cavemen, i can recommend you to stay the best cave. it's true, i got this racial slur before when i was commenting abt how bad a game, yes a game before, and guess what? personal atk, very immature.

if you're not and discuss this issue like a grown up man/woman, i salute you and buy you a packet of condom icon_rolleyes.gif
FC for persona, i heard is more conservative than myvi, that's why i dont wanna buy myvi. can anyone rectify this?
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LOL.. Yeah I agree with you.. 25years down the road.. No matter how much we discuss here, we wont be able to make much of a difference.. The real difference is if we are able to turn our voice into action.. Change the government. I nvr say BN is bad, neither do i say PKR is good. We must let our voice and power be heard. Let them know that they wont have a nice A/C room to sit in if they ignore our voice. Everybody u see around complaints bout this and that.. But ask them to go vote, they say its a waste of time lah.. Same results every year lah.. Corruption lah... They will change the vote later lah... Blah blah blah... Its not about the car price whether its cheap or not cheap.. Its the regulation and the way they tax our car.. If we were to enforce stricter regulation on emission standards like Europe, our cars wont just be cheaper, but much more efficient and environmental friendly too.. Any car maker can bring in a cheap car, but u must know our country is here to survive beyond 2020, more like till the end of time (2012 tongue.gif ) We must look at everything as a whole.. How our future generation are going to survive.. how clean and fresh the air is.. Just look at singapore.. They are able to create a clean environment with good quality air and a lot of trees.. Look at Putrajaya, we have more land than Singapork but we have recorded a higher avg temp over there due to poor landscaping and the lack of trees. Thus causing more electric to be used for A/C blah blah blah..

Do we really want a 100storey tower? Do we need one?? Yeah we MAY need it.. Its good for country long term development, but the real important issues to be settled are the problems we are having now, not the problems we are going to have in the future. Traffic jams in KL, low grade petrol and diesel quality, no minimum standards for cars (airbag etc).. They think every ppl are born to drive isit?? See how many ppl in msia sucks at driving, inconsiderate bastards that dont even bother signalling and hogging fast lane.. Gomen always try to reduce our speed limit, saying speed kills etc etc.. But what really kills ppl is the lack of skills in driving.. If speed kills, why a F1 or rally driver doesnt die? Its the skills they have that allows them to remain in control. The unskilled drivers on the road are what causes MOST of the accidents. Other people have to be aware of these people on the roads. And those ah bengs on the road.. Want to potong here and there but causing unnecessary braking and avoidance to other drivers. I dont mind if u speed and swish around the whole highway, as long as u dont interrupt other ppls driving pace and dont create unnecessary trouble for other people.. Then go ahead. I support u. thumbup.gif
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i noticed tat..pick up beter..fc..huhu..improve damn lot! 350km for my 3/4 tank..=)
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the feymes crankshaft sensor fail.. still happen ka?


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the feymes crankshaft sensor fail.. still happen ka?
wat simtoms if the car is affected??  icon_question.gif
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While driving engine mati suddenly.. When ON (not start) the car time RPM needle is at 8k..
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LOL.. Yeah I agree with you.. 25years down the road.. No matter how much we discuss here, we wont be able to make much of a difference.. The real difference is if we are able to turn our voice into action.. Change the government. I nvr say BN is bad, neither do i say PKR is good. We must let our voice and power be heard. Let them know that they wont have a nice A/C room to sit in if they ignore our voice. Everybody u see around complaints bout this and that.. But ask them to go vote, they say its a waste of time lah.. Same results every year lah.. Corruption lah... They will change the vote later lah... Blah blah blah... Its not about the car price whether its cheap or not cheap.. Its the regulation and the way they tax our car.. If we were to enforce stricter regulation on emission standards like Europe, our cars wont just be cheaper, but much more efficient and environmental friendly too.. Any car maker can bring in a cheap car, but u must know our country is here to survive beyond 2020, more like till the end of time (2012 tongue.gif ) We must look at everything as a whole.. How our future generation are going to survive.. how clean and fresh the air is.. Just look at singapore.. They are able to create a clean environment with good quality air and a lot of trees.. Look at Putrajaya, we have more land than Singapork but we have recorded a higher avg temp over there due to poor landscaping and the lack of trees. Thus causing more electric to be used for A/C blah blah blah..

Do we really want a 100storey tower? Do we need one?? Yeah we MAY need it.. Its good for country long term development, but the real important issues to be settled are the problems we are having now, not the problems we are going to have in the future. Traffic jams in KL, low grade petrol and diesel quality, no minimum standards for cars (airbag etc).. They think every ppl are born to drive isit?? See how many ppl in msia sucks at driving, inconsiderate bastards that dont even bother signalling and hogging fast lane.. Gomen always try to reduce our speed limit, saying speed kills etc etc.. But what really kills ppl is the lack of skills in driving.. If speed kills, why a F1 or rally driver doesnt die? Its the skills they have that allows them to remain in control. The unskilled drivers on the road are what causes MOST of the accidents. Other people have to be aware of these people on the roads. And those ah bengs on the road.. Want to potong here and there but causing unnecessary braking and avoidance to other drivers. I dont mind if u speed and swish around the whole highway, as long as u dont interrupt other ppls driving pace and dont create unnecessary trouble for other people.. Then go ahead. I support u.  thumbup.gif
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bro, i like every word you said, except menara warisan(everyone is free to give opinion smile.gif )
power will corrupt ppl, even with good intentions, bn start off as good(reclaiming independence from us), but now they sit on the throne for too long, they must come down, same case for pr. i vote just to bring msg to them, no matter how much deed they did. singapork, last time got a minister said, let's wait to see how singapork die, now after 40yrs, singapore is 1 of the 4 bruce lee in asia(singapore, taiwan, japan, korea). and now a minister said, of course la singapork so small easy to manage ma, no corruption ma(means that big country allow corruption?! look at usa dude!)

i like the clarification of how skill can affect the probability of accidents, i'd put my legs up to agree. some ppl skills no good still wanna perform crazy stunts, i've seen before with my very own eyes, an old volvo tried to overtake a satria, cross lane here and there, then what happens is that volvo hit a motorcyclist(i bet he dunno what happens until he woke up at hospital), it was like SloMo, like in the matrix, the mirror shattered slowly, the rider bounced off, the bike fly with him then the vision came back normal.(it happens at subang, on the way to sunway pyramid, the motorcyclist fell off at the bus stop)see how retard is malaysian driver? hmmm, i think muhiyiddin yassin should include racing syllibus to current education system, isnt passing car driving lesson more important than history? at least you dont get killed, or worse, killed other innocents bcos of your retardness.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 09:44 AM)
then high 5, cos not only government sucks, malaysian sucks too, our mentality are close to retard. i bet 2020 never realised and there will be 2040, 2060, 2080 or whatever catchy numbers they can come up with.
talk abt driving car on the road, you see how stupid they drive? ppl say kl ppl drive like daredevil(not like spiderman meh?), but i think kl ppl drive smart, but still sucks. parking, sudden brake, no signal, pass red traffic lights, etc  doh.gif
with all suckers and f***ers in this country, and that's what we are, and i still cant sleep well last night(2nd night), sleep at 12, woke up at 4.30am playing lotro. cos i'm too excited abt my new crappy car, some1 must've wanna kill me if i stay close to him 5m, very contradict each other this statement, no choice la, i always drive a bike, this is my 1st car, no need suffer rain anymore(yesterday back from work baru kena, luckily live nearby to office)although proton sucks big time, but i see inspira as a good car(of course la, rebranding ma, malaysia boleh ma, take out that logo and modify to lancer lagi shiok ma)

haha, anyway just wanna start a healthy discussion, if everyone mentality is open, not easily offended, and can take critics well and and transform it into drive force, i'm 120% malaysia will be better than sing-gay-pore
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not only KL, it's everywhere in malaysia, cause we're Malaysian rclxms.gif
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LOL.. Yeah I agree with you.. 25years down the road.. No matter how much we discuss here, we wont be able to make much of a difference.. The real difference is if we are able to turn our voice into action.. Change the government. I nvr say BN is bad, neither do i say PKR is good. We must let our voice and power be heard. Let them know that they wont have a nice A/C room to sit in if they ignore our voice. Everybody u see around complaints bout this and that.. But ask them to go vote, they say its a waste of time lah.. Same results every year lah.. Corruption lah... They will change the vote later lah... Blah blah blah... Its not about the car price whether its cheap or not cheap.. Its the regulation and the way they tax our car.. If we were to enforce stricter regulation on emission standards like Europe, our cars wont just be cheaper, but much more efficient and environmental friendly too.. Any car maker can bring in a cheap car, but u must know our country is here to survive beyond 2020, more like till the end of time (2012 tongue.gif ) We must look at everything as a whole.. How our future generation are going to survive.. how clean and fresh the air is.. Just look at singapore.. They are able to create a clean environment with good quality air and a lot of trees.. Look at Putrajaya, we have more land than Singapork but we have recorded a higher avg temp over there due to poor landscaping and the lack of trees. Thus causing more electric to be used for A/C blah blah blah..

Do we really want a 100storey tower? Do we need one?? Yeah we MAY need it.. Its good for country long term development, but the real important issues to be settled are the problems we are having now, not the problems we are going to have in the future. Traffic jams in KL, low grade petrol and diesel quality, no minimum standards for cars (airbag etc).. They think every ppl are born to drive isit?? See how many ppl in msia sucks at driving, inconsiderate bastards that dont even bother signalling and hogging fast lane.. Gomen always try to reduce our speed limit, saying speed kills etc etc.. But what really kills ppl is the lack of skills in driving.. If speed kills, why a F1 or rally driver doesnt die? Its the skills they have that allows them to remain in control. The unskilled drivers on the road are what causes MOST of the accidents. Other people have to be aware of these people on the roads. And those ah bengs on the road.. Want to potong here and there but causing unnecessary braking and avoidance to other drivers. I dont mind if u speed and swish around the whole highway, as long as u dont interrupt other ppls driving pace and dont create unnecessary trouble for other people.. Then go ahead. I support u.  thumbup.gif
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uhhhhhh......... hello 3 of you........ quite a bit out of topic leh...... shakehead.gif laugh.gif
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ok lah back to the topic, anybody using amsoil engine oil before ? is it the so called the best engine oil in the market?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 10:40 AM)
bro, i like every word you said, except menara warisan(everyone is free to give opinion smile.gif )
power will corrupt ppl, even with good intentions, bn start off as good(reclaiming independence from us), but now they sit on the throne for too long, they must come down, same case for pr. i vote just to bring msg to them, no matter how much deed they did. singapork, last time got a minister said, let's wait to see how singapork die, now after 40yrs, singapore is 1 of the 4 bruce lee in asia(singapore, taiwan, japan, korea). and now a minister said, of course la singapork so small easy to manage ma, no corruption ma(means that big country allow corruption?! look at usa dude!)

i like the clarification of how skill can affect the probability of accidents, i'd put my legs up to agree. some ppl skills no good still wanna perform crazy stunts, i've seen before with my very own eyes, an old volvo tried to overtake a satria, cross lane here and there, then what happens is that volvo hit a motorcyclist(i bet he dunno what happens until he woke up at hospital), it was like SloMo, like in the matrix, the mirror shattered slowly, the rider bounced off, the bike fly with him then the vision came back normal.(it happens at subang, on the way to sunway pyramid, the motorcyclist fell off at the bus stop)see how retard is malaysian driver? hmmm, i think muhiyiddin yassin should include racing syllibus to current education system, isnt passing car driving lesson more important than history? at least you dont get killed, or worse, killed other innocents bcos of your retardness.
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Exactly. Malaysia is the biggest producer of orchids. But guess who is reknown as the Worlds top exporter for orchids? Singapork! Korea did not have much international exposure b4. But look at them now.. Hyundai, Kia are one of the top manufacturers ady.. Quality has gone to international standards.. We have P1 and P2 and some even say P3 (naza). But look at our international dominance, nowhere near world standards even if our national car existed way earlier than Korea. They have LG and Samsung, Samsung which has super good dominance in the Electronics world that even old timer Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba are threatened. Their internet speed are even faster than Japan, and they have a building up K-pop culture which also helps to brand LG or other local brands towards the international world. Its one of the most perfect eco-culture existing now. This is an example of resources put to good use.

Added on November 30, 2010, 10:59 amOops Paiseh.. hehe.. OKK back to topic.. Got a bit carried away.. tongue.gif
Lots of pent up frustration and no intervention causing the damnation of our beloved nation.. tongue.gif

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uhhhhhh......... hello 3 of you........ quite a bit out of topic leh......  shakehead.gif  laugh.gif
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ya i know, thinking a way to turn in back into the topic, um, FC for persona b line is it lower than myvi 1.3?
can anyone clarify that?

and how long it takes to tint window? can it be made on the spot without leaving my car at the workshop?
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 10:56 AM)
Exactly. Malaysia is the biggest producer of orchids. But guess who is reknown as the Worlds top exporter for orchids? Singapork! Korea did not have much international exposure b4. But look at them now.. Hyundai, Kia are one of the top manufacturers ady.. Quality has gone to international standards.. We have P1 and P2 and some even say P3 (naza). But look at our international dominance, nowhere near world standards even if our national car existed way earlier than Korea. They have LG and Samsung, Samsung which has super good dominance in the Electronics world that even old timer Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba are threatened. Their internet speed are even faster than Japan, and they have a building up K-pop culture which also helps to brand LG or other local brands towards the international world. Its one of the most perfect eco-culture existing now. This is an example of resources put to good use.

Added on November 30, 2010, 10:59 amOops Paiseh.. hehe.. OKK back to topic.. Got a bit carried away.. tongue.gif
Lots of pent up frustration and no intervention causing the damnation of our beloved nation.. tongue.gif
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i will vote you become our MP if you wish to involve in politic rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:00 AM)
ya i know, thinking a way to turn in back into the topic, um, FC for persona b line is it lower than myvi 1.3?
can anyone clarify that?

and how long it takes to tint window? can it be made on the spot without leaving my car at the workshop?
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FC is very subjective, depends on the traffic condition and ur driving style, but average should be around 10km++ per L.

my last tint make me wait for 3 hours, with 2 staff working on my car. it very much depends on their skill and no of staff that they have

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:00 AM)
ya i know, thinking a way to turn in back into the topic, um, FC for persona b line is it lower than myvi 1.3?
can anyone clarify that?

and how long it takes to tint window? can it be made on the spot without leaving my car at the workshop?
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Tinting is a bit difficult for the front and back windscreen. That will take longer time a bit lah. The side 4 windows are very much easier.. It took around 1hour to tint my whole car.. Not including waiting time lah.. Mine was done so fast as there was 3 workers tinting my car and the car was barely 1 week old. So the windows didnt need much cleaning..

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LOL thanks..Np.. When i decide to run for one i will inform you.

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 11:05 AM)
Tinting is a bit difficult for the front and back windscreen. That will take longer time a bit lah. The side 4 windows are very much easier.. It took around 1hour to tint my whole car.. Not including waiting time lah..
LOL thanks..Np.. When i decide to run for one i will inform you.
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oops forget to mentioned, my 3 hours is including removing the original safetint from proton
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argh...yesteday went b kl from jb..on the way encounter 1 4 to 5cm big stone on my front screen!! luckily no crack or wat..but when b home...my bonet got scratches di~~~ SOB~!!! bkful when u r behind a lorry~~~
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:23 AM)
argh...yesteday went b kl from jb..on the way encounter 1 4 to 5cm big stone on my front screen!! luckily no crack or wat..but when b home...my bonet got scratches di~~~ SOB~!!! bkful when u r behind a lorry~~~
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alamak,nvr drive bhind lori la.

1.u cannot c in front,don act like u very lucky..will nvr kena anything
2.lori mostly drop stoner and others,they dun care..im juz lori driver ,not my responsibility to make sure the items dun fly out...its the other ppl din do properly.
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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 30 2010, 11:26 AM)
alamak,nvr drive bhind lori la.

1.u cannot c in front,don act like u very lucky..will nvr kena anything
2.lori mostly drop stoner and others,they dun care..im juz lori driver ,not my responsibility to make sure the items dun fly out...its the other ppl din do properly.
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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:23 AM)
argh...yesteday went b kl from jb..on the way encounter 1 4 to 5cm big stone on my front screen!! luckily no crack or wat..but when b home...my bonet got scratches di~~~ SOB~!!! bkful when u r behind a lorry~~~
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lucky you... i didnt know wat hit me... on my windscreen.. got a small pinhole on my windscreen.. i dont even recall being hit by anystone... : rclxub.gif
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oops forget to mentioned, my 3 hours is including removing the original safetint from proton
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um, FC comparison between persona and myvi?
i live around old klang road, and where can i get the best value tinting shop? i wanna tint all windows, block uv more than 80%
um, the SA promised me a rm300 tint voucher, can it cover all my needs?

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 30 2010, 11:29 AM)
lucky you... i didnt know wat hit me... on my windscreen.. got a small pinhole on my windscreen.. i dont even recall being hit by anystone... : rclxub.gif
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Better go to the shop to mend the windscreen. The last time i had a pinhole in the windscreen i didnt bother. and when sometimes under hot sun it will start cracking.. Just go mend it, next year buy windscreen insurance, then go break it and claim.. Those windscreen shops will be able to help u claim it. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:48 AM)
um, FC comparison between persona and myvi?
i live around old klang road, and where can i get the best value tinting shop? i wanna tint all windows, block uv more than 80%
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All tint are 99% UV block. Its the IRR(infrared heat rejection) that influence the price of it.. as the higher the value the more expensive it is lah... My car is 20% VLT (JPJ legal limit is min 70% for front windscreen and 50% for all other glass)
75% IRR (the higher the better, get at least 60% IMO, those below 60% u dont see much difference). UV almost all the good tint are 99%. Good value for money u can look around Automotive garage for good tint shop..
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hi guys.. How much u pump up ur tire for ur Persona? because normally I just realize if u pump front 31kps back 28kps my power steering become heavier than before. Mine is persona b-line.
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QUOTE(azrko @ Nov 30 2010, 12:01 PM)
hi guys.. How much u pump up ur tire for ur Persona? because normally I just realize if u pump front 31kps back 28kps my power steering become heavier than before. Mine is persona b-line.
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QUOTE(azrko @ Nov 30 2010, 12:01 PM)
hi guys.. How much u pump up ur tire for ur Persona? because normally I just realize if u pump front 31kps back 28kps my power steering become heavier than before. Mine is persona b-line.
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I pump 34kpa front, 33kpa back. using back manufacturer specs the front tire look quite flat and the FC very high. Dont pump the back tire so high as it will lock up easily. I used 34 front and back b4 and under rather hard braking also can hear the back tire screeching sound.. Im driving B line auto.
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is it improve the power steering? if that can improve power steering i might to do so..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 12:05 PM)
I pump 34kpa front, 33kpa back. using back manufacturer specs the front tire look quite flat and the FC very high. Dont pump the back tire so high as it will lock up easily. I used 34 front and back b4 and under rather hard braking also can hear the back tire screeching sound..  Im driving B line auto.
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i think u meant 34 PSI and 33 PSI? hehe

anyway i usually pump 230 kpa front... about 205 kpa back.. since i m driving alone... dont think the back need tat much pressure...as long visually both front and back look about the same.. is fine with me.... if follow the recommendation... well i dont exactly feel the steering heavier.. but just not so syok.. see the front tyres like kemek abit.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(azrko @ Nov 30 2010, 12:37 PM)
is it improve the power steering? if that can improve power steering i might to do so..
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the steering will become lighter.. Due to the harder tires lah.. But if pump too hard the tire may bulge out in the middle and cause uneven wear and tear..

QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 30 2010, 12:52 PM)
i think u meant 34 PSI and 33 PSI? hehe

anyway i usually pump 230 kpa front... about 205 kpa back.. since i m driving alone...  dont think the back need tat much pressure...as long visually both front and back look about the same.. is fine with me.... if follow the recommendation... well i dont exactly feel the steering heavier.. but just not so syok.. see the front tyres like kemek abit.. tongue.gif
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Yeah.. haha typo there.. XD..
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While driving engine mati suddenly.. When ON (not start) the car time RPM needle is at 8k..
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after that, engine still can be started or not?
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Nope cannot.. And nvr try to start it.. Cos the internal crank angle sensor and disc has ady broken. If u try to start it, it will cause permanent damage to the engine. But i dont think this problem still exists now lah.. The problem shd have been solved ady.
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oo gitu.. so i face different probem la.. tomoro to bring my car to sc...

while driving.. car suddenlyly feel heavy.. heavy how to say arr... erm like.. u mis changing gear 1 to 3...
the engine indicator appear..
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QUOTE(cakarsakti @ Nov 30 2010, 01:57 PM)
oo gitu.. so i face different probem la.. tomoro to bring my car to sc...

while driving.. car suddenlyly feel heavy..  heavy how to say arr... erm like.. u mis changing gear 1 to 3...
the engine indicator appear..
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OIC.. Please share with us the problem after u rectify it at the SC there.. Interested in knowing also..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 02:30 PM)
the steering will become lighter.. Due to the harder tires lah.. But if pump too hard the tire may bulge out in the middle and cause uneven wear and tear..
Yeah.. haha typo there.. XD..
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ok.. i will try with ur spec.. hope it will make the power steering lighter than now.. btw, pls add my name in the owner list.. Persona B-line Irrediscent white thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:48 AM)
um, FC comparison between persona and myvi?
i live around old klang road, and where can i get the best value tinting shop? i wanna tint all windows, block uv more than 80%
um, the SA promised me a rm300 tint voucher, can it cover all my needs?
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I also stay Old Klang road area. biggrin.gif :)Try google Automotive Garage section. I Tint my Persona at Kuchai Lama Raytech. There a lot option in automotive section

Can try here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1524992


Those voucher seems useless. I tint mine RM 530 with Security 4 mil Tint if i am not wrong. happy.gif



QUOTE(azrko @ Nov 30 2010, 12:01 PM)
hi guys.. How much u pump up ur tire for ur Persona? because normally I just realize if u pump front 31kps back 28kps my power steering become heavier than before. Mine is persona b-line.
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I normally pump 230 for Front and 210 ~215 for rear,

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QUOTE(azrko @ Nov 30 2010, 02:24 PM)
ok.. i will try with ur spec.. hope it will make the power steering lighter than now.. btw, pls add my name in the owner list.. Persona B-line Irrediscent white  thumbup.gif
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your persona is Irrediscent white? is it old 1 or facelifted 1?as far as i'm concerned persona only have genetic silver closes to white color
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mine is old one.. sorry forgot to mention that.. =)
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 30 2010, 02:41 PM)
I also stay Old  Klang road area.  biggrin.gif :)Try google Automotive Garage section. I Tint my Persona at Kuchai Lama Raytech. There a lot option in automotive  section

Can try here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1524992
Those voucher seems useless.  I tint mine RM 530 with Security 4 mil  Tint if i am not wrong. happy.gif
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how useless is useless? care to advise? i just wanna tint my car cool, and i dont want bcos of prolonged sunrays my car internal damaged by it.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 02:53 PM)
how useless is useless? care to advise? i just wanna tint my car cool, and i dont want bcos of prolonged sunrays my car internal damaged by it.
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U try not to show them the voucher first. Then nego price.... Then when price ok already u pay with the voucher, see u get back the price you nego minus the voucher value or not ?

If can then is good.




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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 30 2010, 02:56 PM)
U try not to show them the voucher first. Then nego price.... Then when price ok already u pay with the voucher, see u get back the price you nego minus the voucher value or not ?

If can then is good.
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normally wont lah, they will said the voucher is applicable to the normal price where normally cost you more than 1k
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Try this tint shop. Seems alot Lowyat member get from this Pretty gal

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...597&hl=Ms.Canny
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 30 2010, 02:56 PM)
U try not to show them the voucher first. Then nego price.... Then when price ok already u pay with the voucher, see u get back the price you nego minus the voucher value or not ?

If can then is good.
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cannot lah.. Once u give the voucher they will say they will discount based on walk in price.. Which is super expensive.

QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 30 2010, 03:06 PM)
Try this tint shop. Seems alot Lowyat member get from this Pretty gal

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...597&hl=Ms.Canny
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I second that.. Been there to tint my car.. 75% IRR tint.. But still feel rather hot though.. Make sure u sit there and see them tint.. So they will do a better job..

Speed = 9/10
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Try this tint shop. Seems alot Lowyat member get from this Pretty gal

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...597&hl=Ms.Canny
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yes, i got my car tinted with the high spec firm from Canny, cost RM900, promotion price.
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Get security tint is the best. At least thief will not aim at ur car first,

Mine is Raytech and i book through her last time when she working for them

Her service quite good.
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 30 2010, 02:56 PM)
U try not to show them the voucher first. Then nego price.... Then when price ok already u pay with the voucher, see u get back the price you nego minus the voucher value or not ?

If can then is good.
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my noob look will let them pawn 99 1, somemore i just only apply for loan for the car only but get so excited!!! cos this is my 1st car! whoa like gonna married d, like what happens before my convo, like gonna wed! wahahha...

um, i'm not familiar with subang there, cannycool? watch them tint i'll fall asleep, near where? sunway pyramid?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 03:36 PM)
my noob look will let them pawn 99 1, somemore i just only apply for loan for the car only but get so excited!!! cos this is my 1st car! whoa like gonna married d, like what happens before my convo, like gonna wed! wahahha...

um, i'm not familiar with subang there, cannycool? watch them tint i'll fall asleep, near where? sunway pyramid?
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Call her to make appointment.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 03:36 PM)
my noob look will let them pawn 99 1, somemore i just only apply for loan for the car only but get so excited!!! cos this is my 1st car! whoa like gonna married d, like what happens before my convo, like gonna wed! wahahha...

um, i'm not familiar with subang there, cannycool? watch them tint i'll fall asleep, near where? sunway pyramid?
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More nearer to Asia Cafe i can say.. I will be going there this week or next week to tint my front windscreen.. If u want me to show u the way also no prob. I am staying in USJ 1 there.. yeah this persona my first car too.. First night i cant even sleep. tongue.gif So excited.. Drive and drive more than 250km on the first night i got my car itself. haha.
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 03:41 PM)
More nearer to Asia Cafe i can say.. I will be going there this week or next week to tint my front windscreen.. If u want me to show u the way also no prob. I am staying in USJ 1 there.. yeah this persona my first car too.. First night i cant even sleep.  tongue.gif So excited.. Drive and drive more than 250km on the first night i got my car itself. haha.
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i'll go to take my car at 8th jan la, after work. cos financial planning, so i dont wanna get tighten down and really no rush in getting car.
um, i'd be appreciate if some1 can accompany a noob like me to go tint thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 03:53 PM)
i'll go to take my car at 8th jan la, after work. cos financial planning, so i dont wanna get tighten down and really no rush in getting car.
um, i'd be appreciate if some1 can accompany a noob like me to go tint thumbup.gif
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wah which SA so good can give you a firm date to take car?
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not really firm date la, just put at their showroom outside there, until i ready to take. hehe, i think i ask him to cover my car with carcoat 1st, then when i arrived, the carcoat removed and swooosh, my 1st car!

pik piak stop dreaming! tongue.gif

the SA is at serdang, the showroom just facing highway 1, the showroom nearby place to eat paper wrapped chicken 1, very famous 1. slrppp...
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 04:16 PM)
not really firm date la, just put at their showroom outside there, until i ready to take. hehe, i think i ask him to cover my car with carcoat 1st, then when i arrived, the carcoat removed and swooosh, my 1st car!

pik piak stop dreaming! tongue.gif

the SA is at serdang, the showroom just facing highway 1, the showroom nearby place to eat paper wrapped chicken 1, very famous 1. slrppp...
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ooo i know where liao, i'm working in sri kembangan ahha, dun be surprise during the time when you want to take the car the SA told you the car already been taken by others haha
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 30 2010, 04:20 PM)
ooo i know where liao, i'm working in sri kembangan ahha, dun be surprise during the time when you want to take the car the SA told you the car already been taken by others haha
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huh? why? that SA cheat ppl?
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huh? why? that SA cheat ppl?
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No lah not this SA cheat ppl. Its that they will just promise u to keep u happy only.. Cos there is still a long time before Jan8 and u hvnt pay the full amount for it yet.. So technically the car is not urs.. They will sell it on to the next buyer.. And wait for another black color PE to arrive in the next shipment.. Manatau u super unlucky then by that time maybe there isnt any black color PE available.. Jialat loh..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 04:28 PM)
No lah not this SA cheat ppl. Its that they will just promise u to keep u happy only.. Cos there is still a long time before Jan8 and u hvnt pay the full amount for it yet.. So technically the car is not urs.. They will sell it on to the next buyer.. And wait for another black color PE to arrive in the next shipment.. Manatau u super unlucky then by that time maybe there isnt any black color PE available.. Jialat loh..
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ya that's the scenario, they won't so stupid reserved the car purposely for u, once there's demand, they will not miss out any chance to generate more income hehe, SA words you trust 10% ok oredi.
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 30 2010, 04:36 PM)
ya that's the scenario, they won't so stupid reserved the car purposely for u, once there's demand, they will not miss out any chance to generate more income hehe, SA words you trust 10% ok oredi.
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oh...then i must think of a strategy d, maybe like putting plate number on it once it arrived. um, i dont think that's a big deal la, if the car taken is ok, but promised the quality must be better.

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 04:48 PM)
oh...then i must think of a strategy d, maybe like putting plate number on it once it arrived. um, i dont think that's a big deal la, if the car taken is ok, but promised the quality must be better.
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Very easy, once the car is there ady sandblast ur plate number onto the windscreen and side windows.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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oh...then i must think of a strategy d, maybe like putting plate number on it once it arrived. um, i dont think that's a big deal la, if the car taken is ok, but promised the quality must be better.
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you haven't pay how can you get the car registered under your name, must be step by step bro,
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you haven't pay how can you get the car registered under your name, must be step by step bro,
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huh? honestly i dunno the step lo, my loan is just pending, after approved i'll come to the showroom to sign the letter, then start booking car, until i'm ready to take car then only sign, pay all the d'p. settle. is it like that?
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 29 2010, 01:40 PM)
Welcome to the club.. Whats ur car color and transmission?

Im a b line (A) as well.
1) Steering wheel ok lah.. Lighter than Saga BLM IMO.. Definitely not as light as Vios..

2) Definitely not normal.. Nothing should be broken on the first day of getting the car, except for ur wallet. XD But since its getting replaced FOC then its ok lah..

3) No boot release also.. Have to retrofit it if u want..

4) 1st service RM114 for me. (Shell Helix HX7, drain plug and oil filter).
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thx for sharing dude...

my color bronze garnet haha nice'

i got my 1st service at proton pandan indah rm113++ (engine oil,oil filter++ dunno much



BTW: anyone know the price for the front 2 fog lamp ? at proton service or outside?

and 2 point front stabilizer bar?
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QUOTE(Mr_47 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:09 PM)
thx for sharing dude...

my color bronze garnet haha nice'

i got my 1st service at proton pandan indah rm113++ (engine oil,oil filter++ dunno much
BTW: anyone know the price for the front 2 fog lamp ? at proton service or outside?

and 2 point front stabilizer bar?
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Not worth getting the original fog lamp from Proton.. Its super expensive.. Go search around in automotive garage and u can get a pair of fog lamps at around rm250 only.. If u prefer.. Get those LED ones.. rclxms.gif More cun.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:07 PM)
huh? honestly i dunno the step lo, my loan is just pending, after approved i'll come to the showroom to sign the letter, then start booking car, until i'm ready to take car then only sign, pay all the d'p. settle. is it like that?
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u see the loop hole is in between booking ur car and taking ur car.... booking doesnt mean confirm u get tat particular car
until u pay the downpayment .. then the car can be registered to u...else is still not urs... so u cant..... put a car plate... u are not even suppose to drive tat car away to do anything at all.
btw... y do u want to wait ..... longer if the car have arrived...? just go get it.. and enjoy the experience!!
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tomorrow 1st day of the month oh, any news ron97 price going to increase?
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 30 2010, 05:18 PM)
u see the loop hole is in between booking ur car and taking ur car.... booking doesnt mean confirm u get tat particular car
until u pay the downpayment .. then the car can be registered to u...else is still not urs... so u cant..... put a car plate... u are not even suppose to drive tat car away to do anything at all.
btw... y do u want to wait ..... longer if the car have arrived...? just go get it.. and enjoy the experience!!
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i got my reasons la, cos i wanna plan my financial properly, i've tendered my resignation and my last day is until end of jan before cny. i dont want my car to kena tarik if i cant secure the amount to pay installment, but of course i got financial backup la, so not really need to worry, just wanna save as much as possible, control my lust for the car 1st...

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tomorrow 1st day of the month oh, any news ron97 price going to increase?
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why use ron97? isnt it more expensive?

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:26 PM)
i got my reasons la, cos i wanna plan my financial properly, i've tendered my resignation and my last day is until end of jan before cny. i dont want my car to kena tarik if i cant secure the amount to pay installment, but of course i got financial backup la, so not really need to worry, just wanna save as much as possible, control my lust for the car 1st...

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why use ron97? isnt it more expensive?
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on and off will pump one full tank with the so called clean your engine effect haha.

all the time i'm using ron95 unless i go for long journey
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:26 PM)
i got my reasons la, cos i wanna plan my financial properly, i've tendered my resignation and my last day is until end of jan before cny. i dont want my car to kena tarik if i cant secure the amount to pay installment, but of course i got financial backup la, so not really need to worry, just wanna save as much as possible, control my lust for the car 1st...

oh ic..... then ask them to take their sweet time to deliver the car... haha u r not rushing for the car right? notice anything not right. reject tongue.gif hahaha
i was in a totally different situation back then.. i needed the car fast... haha else i cant go to work tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:33 PM)
on and off will pump one full tank with the so called clean your engine effect haha.

all the time i'm using ron95 unless i go for long journey
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i dont take that as answer, engine friendly? fuel efficiency? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 30 2010, 05:36 PM)
oh ic..... then ask them to take their sweet time to deliver the car... haha u r not rushing for the car right? notice anything not right. reject tongue.gif hahaha
i was in a totally different situation back then.. i needed the car fast... haha else i cant go to work tongue.gif
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i've already told them i'll take the car on jan 8th, and i wanna accumulate more money to secure my financial. i totally understand your situation, i bought a bike from foreigner, i bought it cos cheap. rm650, but then i can only ride for a day, cos the battery got problem! and changing definitely not worth it. ppl says local always cheat foreigners, but i'm so sohai until kena cheated by foreigners cry.gif
then i had to take bus+walk to work, until can get a so-so 2nd hand bike. sigh, what a tough days that were...

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Nov 30 2010, 05:41 PM)
i dont take that as answer, engine friendly? fuel efficiency?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Added on November 30, 2010, 5:46 pm
i've already told them i'll take the car on jan 8th, and i wanna accumulate more money to secure my financial. i totally understand your situation, i bought a bike from foreigner, i bought it cos cheap. rm650, but then i can only ride for a day, cos the battery got problem! and changing definitely not worth it. ppl says local always cheat foreigners, but i'm so sohai until kena cheated by foreigners cry.gif
then i had to take bus+walk to work, until can get a so-so 2nd hand bike. sigh, what a tough days that were...
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for me ron97 definitely give me more mileage, but overall ron95 still more economically that's y most of the time still pump ron95
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QUOTE(chteh0721 @ Nov 30 2010, 06:16 PM)
for me ron97 definitely give me more mileage, but overall ron95 still more economically that's y most of the time still pump ron95
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I dunno why but i feel Ron97 doesnt give me as much pick up as Ron95.. But high speed time (>3.8k RPM) the engine can feel obviously more power and not as noisy compared to using Ron95 lah..
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leaking news saying that RON97 will be incresed RM0.15 tonight again.

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never pumped RON97 before for my Persona, but my old Kelisa did enjoy quite many rounds of V power laugh.gif

pump RON95 doesn't mean no power, its how you drive that matters

now I gotta be careful with my right foot, don't wanna spend RM300++ a month for fuel bills shocking.gif
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 30 2010, 07:55 PM)
leaking news saying that RON97 will be incresed RM0.15 tonight again.
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nvm. just dun touch my ron95.
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Nov 30 2010, 07:55 PM)
leaking news saying that RON97 will be incresed RM0.15 tonight again.
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nvm. just dun touch my ron95.
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Hahahha.. They want to push everybody to use Ron95.. Civic Type-R and turbocharged car owners are definitely going to get pissed.
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Hahahha.. They want to push everybody to use Ron95.. Civic Type-R and turbocharged car owners are definitely going to get pissed.
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If they can own those type of cars... tongue.gif
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If they can own those type of cars...  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 11:14 PM)
My neighbour regularly uses a Wiralution.. But now its junked at a corner cos 1mth petrol almost touch RM2k..  rclxub.gif  One full tank (42L) only can go for 280-310km tops.. He rather use his Civic and BMW which uses lesser petrol even under hard driving..  thumbup.gif
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Haha my point was that if they can afford cars like a Type R etc, pay road tax higher summore. What is petrol price increase to them? hehe

I only complain about petrol when I need to pump twice a week (work related). laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jasontantenghuat @ Nov 30 2010, 11:16 PM)
Haha my point was that if they can afford cars like a Type R etc, pay road tax higher summore. What is petrol price increase to them? hehe

I only complain about petrol when I need to pump twice a week (work related).  laugh.gif
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Type-R road tax is 2.0L engine punya only.. Very cheap.. Buy the car 2nd hand also can get it cheap.. Buy kereta curi lagi cheap... drool.gif
Everytime i drive the car.. V-tec sounds bloody awesome..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 11:19 PM)
Type-R road tax is 2.0L engine punya only.. Very cheap.. Buy the car 2nd hand also can get it cheap.. Buy kereta curi lagi cheap...  drool.gif
Everytime i drive the car.. V-tec sounds bloody awesome..
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Wait, what's your definition of cheap first? haha
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Wait, what's your definition of cheap first? haha
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 06:39 PM)
I dunno why but i feel Ron97 doesnt give me as much pick up as Ron95.. But high speed time (>3.8k RPM) the engine can feel obviously more power and not as noisy compared to using Ron95 lah..
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I m just wondering... anyone here pumps ....petronas ron 95 and caltex ron 95? ..... i use to pumps petronas ron95.... but last week i decided to give it a try with caltex 95.... i felt quite significant loss in pickup compare to petronas....it is harder to push my car forward.. need to press the car accelerator more and drag the rpm higher...

is it just me? anyone who pumps both this 2 brand....before ..tried looking back in the history...never really read people compare this 2 brand for persona...
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which is the best petrol brand for persona?
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i Pump both petrol.. Petronas do have a bit more pickup, but if compare smoothness = Caltex 95. My choice of petrol
1) Caltex 95
2) PEtronas 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Shell 95 (i will try to avoid, this fuel suck like hell , Only pump if really cannot any petrol station)
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 1 2010, 08:55 AM)
I m just wondering... anyone here pumps ....petronas ron 95 and caltex ron 95? ..... i use to pumps petronas ron95.... but last week i decided to give it a try with caltex 95.... i felt quite significant loss in pickup compare to petronas....it is harder to push my car forward.. need to press the car accelerator more and drag the rpm higher...

is it just me? anyone who pumps both this 2 brand....before ..tried looking back in the history...never really read people compare this 2 brand for persona...
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you need to pump at least 2 full tank only can see the differences. mixture of oil definitely will affect the car perfomance.

for me caltex 95 definitely better than petronas, but my area very hard to find caltex so still stick to esso

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which is the best petrol brand for persona?
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there's not best petrol, it depends on how well your engine cope with the oil.

you can ask all fellow members here, sure all of us will told you different brand haha

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QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 1 2010, 09:21 AM)
i Pump both petrol.. Petronas do have a bit more pickup, but if compare smoothness = Caltex 95.  My choice of petrol
1) Caltex 95
2) PEtronas 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Shell 95 (i will try to avoid,  this fuel suck like hell , Only pump if really cannot any petrol station)
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i pump shell to my bike most of the time, i choose shell cos can accumulate bonuslink point wahahaha!!!
um, caltex is engine friendly and fuel efficient?
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Hahahha.. They want to push everybody to use Ron95.. Civic Type-R and turbocharged car owners are definitely going to get pissed.
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 1 2010, 10:13 AM)
aduh fuel talks again. already v10 still talking about fuel.  shakehead.gif
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Of course talk fuel... Now fuel price increase mah. Ron 97 RM 2.30 liao lo

Hahaha
Lucky Ron 95 still RM 1.85
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 1 2010, 10:22 AM)
Of course talk fuel... Now fuel price increase mah. Ron 97 RM 2.30 liao lo

Hahaha
Lucky Ron 95 still RM 1.85
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 1 2010, 09:21 AM)
i Pump both petrol.. Petronas do have a bit more pickup, but if compare smoothness = Caltex 95.  My choice of petrol
1) Caltex 95
2) PEtronas 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Shell 95 (i will try to avoid,  this fuel suck like hell , Only pump if really cannot any petrol station)
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shell 95 not good with persona myb..
cuz last time i pump rm30 from E, i can go for 150km+-...

using pet95 pump rm30 from E, around 200km+-..
my car already clock 11k km

im using same road for testing both fuel...

esso/mobile 95 also quiet good...
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 1 2010, 10:13 AM)
aduh fuel talks again. already v10 still talking about fuel.  shakehead.gif
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oops.... was just curious.... since i couldnt really find comparison between this 2 fuel.. and recently like not much topic... dont we... quite quiet these few weeks..hehe
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QUOTE(fhatz @ Dec 1 2010, 10:35 AM)
shell 95 not good with persona myb..
cuz last time i pump rm30 from E, i can go for 150km+-...

using pet95 pump rm30 from E, around 200km+-..
my car already clock 11k km

im using same road for testing both fuel...

esso/mobile 95 also quiet good...
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for me shell vpower ron97 not bad also compare to last time the ordinary shell ron97 really improve alot.

the ron95 really no words to say haha, feel like pump water into my car instead of fuel.
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 1 2010, 10:22 AM)
Of course talk fuel... Now fuel price increase mah. Ron 97 RM 2.30 liao lo

Hahaha
Lucky Ron 95 still RM 1.85
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Rm 2.30 Ron97... tak abis abis naik harga... mad.gif
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Rm 2.30 Ron97... tak abis abis naik harga... mad.gif
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Hi all... does the GPS provided by Persona HL is any good? Garmin better?

Does it have warranty?
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I'll also like to inform you that we've recently upgraded our navigation software to make it more user friendly and it now has some new key features such as Junction View, Telephone number search and 3D buildings. We have monthly map updates and we're continuously improving as we go.

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 1 2010, 02:17 PM)
kudos to najis tong rosak and co. thumbup.gif
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this is suppose a thread for car enthusiast....in general... PERSONA FANATICS in specifics biggrin.gif
lets talk everything about our car ... and leave these comments to other related threads.. shall we?
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today I service my persona mileage 40,000km kena rm270.70 w/o engine oil bcoz i bring my own oil...and that is the 2nd SC i went bcos the 1st 1 don wan to accept bcos i bring my own oil...

2nd 1 oso don want to accept actually...but i said if u don wan change engine oil,nvm just change other parts la..engine oil i go change other place la..then he said warranty will void..then i said void,void la...

last 2 services, i oso bring my own oil bcos SC only sell Petronas oil..
why i don wan use petronas oil?because after 1000++km my engine will "gegar"..few of my frens oso experience the same..

i saw the notice in the SC from HQ, effective 17 july kenot accept if customer bring their own parts..this is unfair!!!

previously, i use shell helix ultra fully for 10,000km..very smooth..
now i use castrol edge fully, smoother than shell...

the main point that i want to higlight here is, we pay for the labour charge what?(rm120) so why want to force customer to use petronas oil???if it is proton oil, i will consider...
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QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 1 2010, 03:40 PM)
today I service my persona mileage 40,000km kena rm270.70 w/o engine oil bcoz i bring my own oil...and that is the 2nd SC i went bcos the 1st 1 don wan to accept bcos i bring my own oil...

2nd 1 oso don want to accept actually...but i said if u don wan change engine oil,nvm just change other parts la..engine oil i go change other place la..then he said warranty will void..then i said void,void la...

last 2 services, i oso bring my own oil bcos SC only sell Petronas oil..
why i don wan use petronas oil?because after 1000++km my engine will "gegar"..few of my frens oso experience the same..

i saw the notice in the SC from HQ, effective 17 july kenot accept if customer bring their own parts..this is unfair!!!

previously, i use shell helix ultra fully for 10,000km..very smooth..
now i use castrol edge fully, smoother than shell...

the main point that i want to higlight here is, we pay for the labour charge what?(rm120) so why want to force customer to use petronas oil???if it is proton oil, i will consider...
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you always can go to those authorized sc that allow you to bring your own oil, but they will remind you if engine got problem then they not going to claim the warranty for you
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QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 1 2010, 03:40 PM)
today I service my persona mileage 40,000km kena rm270.70 w/o engine oil bcoz i bring my own oil...and that is the 2nd SC i went bcos the 1st 1 don wan to accept bcos i bring my own oil...

2nd 1 oso don want to accept actually...but i said if u don wan change engine oil,nvm just change other parts la..engine oil i go change other place la..then he said warranty will void..then i said void,void la...

last 2 services, i oso bring my own oil bcos SC only sell Petronas oil..
why i don wan use petronas oil?because after 1000++km my engine will "gegar"..few of my frens oso experience the same..

i saw the notice in the SC from HQ, effective 17 july kenot accept if customer bring their own parts..this is unfair!!!

previously, i use shell helix ultra fully for 10,000km..very smooth..
now i use castrol edge fully, smoother than shell...

the main point that i want to higlight here is, we pay for the labour charge what?(rm120) so why want to force customer to use petronas oil???if it is proton oil, i will consider...
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what to do. its warranty policy.

depending on the SC you go to, some allows u to bring ur own engine oil. some hv cheaper labor.
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if that's the case where is the best SC around penang that offer the best price and service? most important is dont tend to cheat customers
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if that's the case where is the best SC around penang that offer the best price and service? most important is dont tend to cheat customers
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haha i m also interested to know
so far i m going to PESC in sg pinang or juru only cos they allow me to bring my own lube
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haha i m also interested to know
so far i m going to PESC in sg pinang or juru only cos they allow me to bring my own lube
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if go to juru, the road is sandy and the rubbles will scratch your car, new car kena scratch, sim tia ooo... cry.gif
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 1 2010, 04:19 PM)
if go to juru, the road is sandy and the rubbles will scratch your car, new car kena scratch, sim tia ooo... cry.gif
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Juru autocity ... where got tat much rubble to scratch ur car.. is just beside the highway.. is just the sme as any highway.. so the risk is the same as all other roads u drive on...
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 1 2010, 04:24 PM)
Juru autocity ... where got tat much rubble to scratch ur car.. is just beside the highway.. is just the sme as any highway.. so the risk is the same as all other roads u drive on...
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i mean on the way to there, the highway, and even if you come from bm also same. i know this cos i ride bike, summore a lot of lorries passing by.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 1 2010, 04:46 PM)
i mean on the way to there, the highway, and even if you come from bm also same. i know this cos i ride bike, summore a lot of lorries passing by.
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ooo ... i get wat u mean now.
but those are things u cant avoid right? just can be cautious.... unless u r not driving ur car out to the main roads...or at least not into highway...but psst.... persona shines ... cruising in highway..rather then city drive.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 1 2010, 03:40 PM)
today I service my persona mileage 40,000km kena rm270.70 w/o engine oil bcoz i bring my own oil...and that is the 2nd SC i went bcos the 1st 1 don wan to accept bcos i bring my own oil...

2nd 1 oso don want to accept actually...but i said if u don wan change engine oil,nvm just change other parts la..engine oil i go change other place la..then he said warranty will void..then i said void,void la...

last 2 services, i oso bring my own oil bcos SC only sell Petronas oil..
why i don wan use petronas oil?because after 1000++km my engine will "gegar"..few of my frens oso experience the same..

i saw the notice in the SC from HQ, effective 17 july kenot accept if customer bring their own parts..this is unfair!!!

previously, i use shell helix ultra fully for 10,000km..very smooth..
now i use castrol edge fully, smoother than shell...

the main point that i want to higlight here is, we pay for the labour charge what?(rm120) so why want to force customer to use petronas oil???if it is proton oil, i will consider...
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Dude. Do you change engine oil after every 5K or 10k Km intervals? If you whack your ride often, better change @ 5K intervals. Dun trust Proton's sales talk. I only send to Proton SC every 10K because of the rubber stamp on my service booklet. In between, I send outside.
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 1 2010, 05:15 PM)
ooo ... i get wat u mean now.
but those are things u cant avoid right? just can be cautious.... unless u r not driving ur car out to the main roads...or at least not into highway...but psst.... persona shines ... cruising in highway..rather then city drive.. tongue.gif
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especially when you spend rm1k++ on respraying new color, got a lot of scratches, very kek sim and sim tia...if i wanna respray persona into color scheme exactly like saga blm se red, is it possible? how much?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 1 2010, 04:19 PM)
if go to juru, the road is sandy and the rubbles will scratch your car, new car kena scratch, sim tia ooo... cry.gif
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no laa...i everyday go there..my car still shine laugh.gif

*everywhere u drive, got risk..just how u avoid it, or handle it..u can run from scratch
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Added on November 30, 2010, 5:46 pm
i've already told them i'll take the car on jan 8th, and i wanna accumulate more money to secure my financial.
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1452043&hl=
I get from this SA. Awesome service. Got my car on the exact date as I wanted.

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:39 pm
QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 1 2010, 09:21 AM)
i Pump both petrol.. Petronas do have a bit more pickup, but if compare smoothness = Caltex 95.  My choice of petrol
1) Caltex 95
2) PEtronas 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Shell 95 (i will try to avoid,  this fuel suck like hell , Only pump if really cannot any petrol station)
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Yeah... Shell 95 cannot make it.

1) Caltex 95
2) BHP 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:51 pm
QUOTE(saddient @ Nov 30 2010, 05:09 AM)
lol how much is your mileage already ? mine next service is 6km...

and thought of flash to 3.9 version ECU.... some forumer claimed that increase pick up and fc.... real or not.... ?
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my mileage is around 3500km.
yeah. want to flash also the ECU firmware, the buzz sound super annoying.

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:53 pm
QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Nov 30 2010, 07:41 AM)
Ya wei 202 really dangerous.. But i wanted to test the limits..
WOw 38L u can clock 415KM.. Any mods in ur car?? Do u get stuck in traffic jams most of the time?? Cos i only get max 340km for 36L, but i stay in subang lah.. every morning come out to go college sure jam gila.. Will be stuck in a jam for at least 20mins..
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Nothing mod in my car. Everything remain the same from the 1st day collect my car.
I try to avoid jam. normally will pay tol. so, save on fuel $, and pay tol $, end up still the same.
I stay at subang also.

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Inner or outer release handle? How did u break it? Some rough rider ur.

Part only. Outer in d region of RM25. Inner RM45.

All outer handles r d same except d front RH cap (d part u put in d key) Inner handles, difference is LH & RH(Front & Rear same)


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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 1 2010, 05:51 PM)
especially when you spend rm1k++ on respraying new color, got a lot of scratches, very kek sim and sim tia...if i wanna respray persona into color scheme exactly like saga blm se red, is it possible? how much?
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Bro instead or respraying only.. I recommend i do Opticoat or PPS or SierraGlow coating for it.. Much more worthwhile.. 500-650 only.. Can protect the paint forever and also can prevent scratches..

QUOTE(jhbey @ Dec 1 2010, 07:00 PM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1452043&hl=
I get from this SA. Awesome service. Got my car on the exact date as I wanted.

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:39 pm

Yeah... Shell 95 cannot make it.

1) Caltex 95
2) BHP 95
3) Esso/Mobile 95

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:51 pm

my mileage is around 3500km.
yeah. want to flash also the ECU firmware, the buzz sound super annoying.

Added on December 1, 2010, 7:53 pm

Nothing mod in my car. Everything remain the same from the 1st day collect my car.
I try to avoid jam. normally will pay tol. so, save on fuel $, and pay tol $, end up still the same.
I stay at subang also.
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OIC.. I try to avoid toll as much as possible.. It adds up to a lot actually.. I can feel the pain.. I reload rm100 TnG and within 1mth can finish.. @.@
If only i know there will be terrible jam then i wud used toll highway..

Everyone.. I wound DISCOURAGE you all from pumping at ESSO SS14 (beside roundabout). There i think the petrol they got mix with thinner or water..

Experience:
I pump full tank Ron95@SS14 to go ipoh.. Engine was super noisy on highway.. The noisiest i ever heard from my engine (even with radio on and playing some clubbing hits i can still hear my engine roar, normally can nvr hear anything with volume 28).. Max speed also barely can touch 170kmh. (Remember in my youtube video I reached 190kmh and the engine was super smooth and quiet even with the radio off)
On return journey, I pour Esso ron97. Engine was super quiet.. Poorer pickup than normal but on high speed the power came smoothly.. Touch 200+kmh effortlessly..
Then today morning i pour rm10 Esso95 at SS14, go to ampang hilir.. Rm20 tank just finish like that.. Not even terrible jam (4pm). Engine no pickup.. Heavy and keep on changing gear as i had to press harder to accelerate.. On the way back from ampang hilir i pour RM50 Esso95. Was rushing back cos have to reach SS15 by 8pm.. 7.20pm leave from ampang hilir.. 2fast2furious i drive like mad.. Pickup was smooth.. Can feel the engine more responsive and FC was very good.. I travelled back and went to USJ19 and back to SS15 a few times.. Total 64km use less than half of 1gap..
So i think the SS14 station there must have campur something else into the petrol.. Cos i have been using Esso for so many fill-ups ady and i can feel the difference..

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 2 2010, 01:07 AM)
Bro instead or respraying only.. I recommend i do Opticoat or PPS or SierraGlow coating for it.. Much more worthwhile.. 500-650 only.. Can protect the paint forever and also can prevent scratches..
do you mind telling us here where to find the shops/places that provides this kind of services? Have you done it to your car before? when you say 'prevent scratch' do you really mean TOTAL PREVENTION? sounds too good to be true lah.
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QUOTE(izwanz @ Dec 2 2010, 01:24 AM)
do you mind telling us here where to find the shops/places that provides this kind of services? Have you done it to your car before? when you say 'prevent scratch' do you really mean TOTAL PREVENTION? sounds too good to be true lah.
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Yeah it prevent scratches.. PPS have been in malaysia for more than 10yrs.. U can go to the Forte Club in LYN and see their reviews and comments.. They all pakat do groups to get group discount over there... It prevent swirls and scratches from wiping and can prevent stone chips to a certain extend.. Its due to they coat a thick and hard polymer coating onto your paint. Covering it 100%.. The good thing about polymer coating is it seals and provide another layer of protection above the original paint yet its not organic in nature so it doesnt turn yellow or degrade.. The bad thing is IT MUST BE DONE BY A PROFESSIONAL, cos if u dont clean ur car properly and u just coat it like that then all the imperfections and impurities will be sealed under the polymer.. Then u can nvr remove it unless u wet sand ur paint..
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wow it's like a double-edged sword... so if you just bought a new car is it better to get it 'coated' (is it the correct term?) and regularly wash the car?

ummmm when persona club will pakat and to the same thing forte club did haha
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QUOTE(izwanz @ Dec 2 2010, 01:47 AM)
wow it's like a double-edged sword... so if you just bought a new car is it better to get it 'coated' (is it the correct term?) and regularly wash the car?

ummmm when persona club will pakat and to the same thing forte club did haha
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Well it depends on how much u sayang ur car.. Some ppl buy and dont bother taking care cos its a Proton.. But for me I would do my best that i can afford cos the car is serving me a purpose regardless of what badge it carries. I have asked SierraGlow for a quote and they gave me RM600.. So shd be cheaper if a few ppl can do it together.. I hvnt asked PPS yet.. See when im free one of the days i will go ask lah..

Why i said it must be donw by a professional is cos last time when PPS first came out they were offering packages for around RM1.5k.. But they also sold their products outside to DIY.. What happened is a lot of ppl dont have a dust free environment and dont know how to clay and prep their car for coating.. Causing a lot of dust and dirt to be locked in (obvious in white color cars) after coating and becoming unremovable.

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Wasn't me driving, my dad said his car got vandalised or something like that. It's at the driver side on d outside of the car. It was ok all this while and it's a 1st batch persona btw, so I don't think this normally happens to Persona. Anyway, thanks for your help!
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aiyo car exterior better not spend too much..coz accident happens anytime..imagin one door kena langgar...change new door...new door no coating..den haf to waste money do again.
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QUOTE(rckh @ Dec 1 2010, 05:22 PM)
Dude. Do you change engine oil after every 5K or 10k Km intervals?  If you whack your ride often, better change @ 5K intervals. Dun trust Proton's sales talk.  I only send to Proton SC every 10K because of the rubber stamp on my service booklet. In between, I send outside.
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10k km bcos i use full synt oil...been using fully since 20k km till now..i send for service oso they didnt check anything..in the service booklet,they have to check this,perform that...and what i notice is they just change engine oil...change spark plug..just the changing part no checking..what to do??
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um, i just wanna know is it possible to respray persona b-line into color that matches saga blm se red?
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um, i just wanna know is it possible to respray persona b-line into color that matches saga blm se red?
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Surely can.. You can do it in any workshop also.. Just go and get the exact color code from Proton there.. Then go to the workshop and they can get the color for you.
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Surely can.. You can do it in any workshop also.. Just go and get the exact color code from Proton there.. Then go to the workshop and they can get the color for you.
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thanks, um, how much? black rooftop, brilliant red body, the persona i ordered is black by default, so no need respray black lo?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 12:03 PM)
thanks, um, how much? black rooftop, brilliant red body, the persona i ordered is black by default, so no need respray black lo?
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Since black ady of cos no need to respray.. Unless there are a lot of flaw or what.. Just wax the car the moment u get it to protect it lah..

How much i dunno lah.. But i know to respray a car is around RM1.5k in JB.. tongue.gif Mb u can look in automotive garage for shops with good customer review.

Just go to a shop that is reputable. Cos some new shops are able to offer you very cheap price, but they use cheapo paint and lousy clear coat.. My family car kena like that also.. After respray the boot 3mths later clearcoat failure(the color mati like a 20year old car like that). And make sure the paintshop has an oven to bake ur car paint.. There is no such thing as no need to bake the paint..

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Everyone.. I wound DISCOURAGE you all from pumping at ESSO SS14 (beside roundabout). There i think the petrol they got mix with thinner or water..

Experience:
I pump full tank Ron95@SS14 to go ipoh.. Engine was super noisy on highway.. The noisiest i ever heard from my engine (even with radio on and playing some clubbing hits i can still hear my engine roar, normally can nvr hear anything with volume 28).. Max speed also barely can touch 170kmh. (Remember in my youtube video I reached 190kmh and the engine was super smooth and quiet even with the radio off)
On return journey, I pour Esso ron97. Engine was super quiet.. Poorer pickup than normal but on high speed the power came smoothly.. Touch 200+kmh effortlessly..
Then today morning i pour rm10 Esso95 at SS14, go to ampang hilir.. Rm20 tank just finish like that.. Not even terrible jam (4pm). Engine no pickup.. Heavy and keep on changing gear as i had to press harder to accelerate.. On the way back from ampang hilir i pour RM50 Esso95. Was rushing back cos have to reach SS15 by 8pm.. 7.20pm leave from ampang hilir.. 2fast2furious i drive like mad.. Pickup was smooth.. Can feel the engine more responsive and FC was very good.. I travelled back and went to USJ19 and back to SS15 a few times.. Total 64km use less than half of 1gap..
So i think the SS14 station there must have campur something else into the petrol.. Cos i have been using Esso for so many fill-ups ady and i can feel the difference..
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you mean the esso is next to bhp right?. and the esso got car wash?.... that day i pump there ss14 esso.... paid RM50 to fill up and once i walk to my car...i saw the worker pouring some kind of water/thinner in a pail into the tank....i don't know that is for toilet wastage or the oil tank..but he just pour the whole pail and just close it.... doh.gif .....so i suspect they add thinner or other oil to add on existing petrol..... but driving time, i think no much issues....didnt really pay much attention on the engine...la.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Dec 2 2010, 12:23 PM)
you mean the esso is next to bhp right?. and the esso got car wash?.... that day i pump there ss14 esso.... paid RM50 to fill up and once i walk to my car...i saw the worker pouring some kind of water/thinner in a pail into the tank....i don't know that is for toilet wastage or the oil tank..but he just pour the whole pail and just close it.... doh.gif .....so i suspect they add thinner or other oil to add on existing petrol..... but driving time, i think no much issues....didnt really pay much attention on the engine...la.... sweat.gif
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YES!!! Exactly.. The Esso beside the BHP there along the bak kut teh shop row there... doh.gif Damn wei... Couldnt be toilet wastage lah.. If open means super smelly ady.. The hatch into the underground tank will be located somewhere near the front there.. Got like 4 hatches in total in a row. Nvr going to go there to fill petrol again..
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switch_133 = brilliant red H/L

sent my car to Juru SC yesterday. complained about the engine felt heavier after 1st service. the foreman tuned the ECU. he said something like changing the offset from 125 to 98. I dunno what exactly he tuned tongue.gif now engine felt smoother. no more 'roaring' when overtaking other cars at highway. gonna test further to see the fuel consumption.

btw, i got 2300 rpm at 80km/h. when accelerating, the engine revs up to 4k rpm a while before going down to 2.5k rpm. Is that normal?
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shit man if Persona replacement is going to look like this i would be damn f***ing jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want!!!!!!!! MINUS the STUPID NAME TUAH though.

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From this website below:-
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QUOTE(switch_133 @ Dec 2 2010, 03:13 PM)
add me to the list
switch_133 = brilliant red H/L

sent my car to Juru SC yesterday. complained about the engine felt heavier after 1st service. the foreman tuned the ECU. he said something like changing the offset from 125 to 98. I dunno what exactly he tuned  tongue.gif  now engine felt smoother. no more 'roaring' when overtaking other cars at highway. gonna test further to see the fuel consumption.

btw, i got 2300 rpm at 80km/h. when accelerating, the engine revs up to 4k rpm a while before going down to 2.5k rpm. Is that normal?
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if ur talking about automatic. yea. that is how it works.

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f***! moments ago a bank car loan officer interviewed me, and i accidentally slipped that i just work for 6 months and they said they maybe wont approve 90%, maybe only 85% loan! and still need guarantor! shit! f***ed!
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 04:23 PM)
f***! moments ago a bank car loan officer interviewed me, and i accidentally slipped that i just work for 6 months and they said they maybe wont approve 90%, maybe only 85% loan! and still need guarantor! shit! f***ed!
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which bank..? try other bank perhaps
i got the loan before i started working ..... without guarantor ... i just attached my employment letter... haha

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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 2 2010, 03:17 PM)
shit man if Persona replacement is going to look like this i would be damn f***ing jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want!!!!!!!! MINUS the STUPID NAME TUAH though.

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From this website below:-
http://paultan.org/2010/12/02/proton-tuah-...ration-persona/

yes... damned.. i m freaking jealous!!.... this is the TRUE ELEGANCE ..hahaha.... if it is true as said.. gonna be powered by campro HPE.... this perhaps might be the best car proton got to offer in the near future..
i m so jealous...


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which bank?
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rhb islamic f***ing bank, the motherrhbf***er so bias and my income so f***ing good and my monthly installment less than a f***ing quarter! f***!

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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 2 2010, 04:36 PM)
which bank..? try other bank perhaps
i got the loan before i started working ..... without guarantor ... i just attached my employment letter... haha

Added on December 2, 2010, 4:39 pm

yes... damned.. i m freaking jealous!!.... this is the TRUE ELEGANCE ..hahaha.... if it is true as said.. gonna be powered by campro HPE.... this perhaps might be the best car proton got to offer in the near future..
i m so jealous...
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i damn so jealous at you! tmd f***ing bias! sorry not scold you, its them! My SA said my age is a factor, i just have 1 year working experience! how? which bank you applied?
my SA said bcos the low interest, the condition would be much stricter. that's the problem lo...

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 04:52 PM)
rhb islamic f***ing bank, the motherrhbf***er so bias and my income so f***ing good and my monthly installment less than a f***ing quarter! f***!

Added on December 2, 2010, 5:00 pm

i damn so jealous at you! tmd f***ing bias! sorry not scold you, its them! My SA said my age is a factor, i just have 1 year working experience! how? which bank you applied?
my SA said bcos the low interest, the condition would be much stricter. that's the problem lo...
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i took eon bank.... my interest was 3.8 or 3.7 ... tat range la...
maybe u should try apply other bank first.... while waiting .. maybe u r lucky .... they jsut say so much thing but in the end. they still approve urs?
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i took eon bank.... my interest was 3.8 or 3.7 ... tat range la...
maybe u should try apply other bank first.... while waiting .. maybe u r lucky .... they jsut say so much thing but in the end. they still approve urs?
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kinda agree, who doesnt wanna make money, if they dont approve then they mai no f***ing income. yours were 9yrs? hmmm, if the interest 3.75 my d'p is add rm10++ shit la, go f*** cow la
next monday i wanna buy my favourite plate number d, *****, the loan not approve then i mai keong kan? sorry moderator i'm kinda pissed, need to use foul language smile.gif

f***, their braintard head still insist for guarantor! cos i dont have loan record and my age factor! ta ma de diao ni lao mu!

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 05:37 PM)
kinda agree, who doesnt wanna make money, if they dont approve then they mai no f***ing income. yours were 9yrs? hmmm, if the interest 3.75 my d'p is add rm10++ shit la, go f*** cow la
next monday i wanna buy my favourite plate number d, *****, the loan not approve then i mai keong kan? sorry moderator i'm kinda pissed, need to use foul language smile.gif

f***, their braintard head still insist for guarantor! cos i dont have loan record and my age factor! ta ma de diao ni lao mu!
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nope.. i took 7 years.... i think tat was the rate when i booked my car...
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 2 2010, 03:17 PM)
shit man if Persona replacement is going to look like this i would be damn f***ing jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want!!!!!!!! MINUS the STUPID NAME TUAH though.

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From this website below:-
http://paultan.org/2010/12/02/proton-tuah-...ration-persona/
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If Persona R really looks like that.. And sell for 60k.. I bet the current gen Vios and City would have a tough time selling, and 2nd hand value will be terrible. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 04:23 PM)
f***! moments ago a bank car loan officer interviewed me, and i accidentally slipped that i just work for 6 months and they said they maybe wont approve 90%, maybe only 85% loan! and still need guarantor! shit! f***ed!
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 05:37 PM)
kinda agree, who doesnt wanna make money, if they dont approve then they mai no f***ing income. yours were 9yrs? hmmm, if the interest 3.75 my d'p is add rm10++ shit la, go f*** cow la
next monday i wanna buy my favourite plate number d, *****, the loan not approve then i mai keong kan? sorry moderator i'm kinda pissed, need to use foul language smile.gif

f***, their braintard head still insist for guarantor! cos i dont have loan record and my age factor! ta ma de diao ni lao mu!
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Chillax lah.. hah.a. Bro how old are you?? Me 22years old.. Not working and dont have any employment letter.. I just go to CIMB bank, get 9 years loan @4.00%.
They ask a lot of questions.. I say want to buy HL lah.. Then i told them to check my CIMB account.. I told them i got fixed investment income in Dubai.. tongue.gif Every month i pinjam RM3.5k from my mom.. Then keep in the bank lah... DONT WITHDRAW it out.. Just let the balance slowly grow... Then time to time just do some small transactions like withdraw Rm100.. Rm250.. Rm500.. Rm300 from the bank every 4-5days.. Showing like u got activity and using the money like that lah.. As long as u got a lot of money coming in, little bit going out.. Then can kautim easily ady.. They approve for me RM48500 loan.. Add with the discount SA gave me i just pay RM660 to get the car.. No d/payment also.. flex.gif flex.gif

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If Persona R really looks like that.. And sell for 60k..  I bet the current gen Vios and City would have a tough time selling, and 2nd hand value will be terrible.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Chillax lah.. hah.a. Bro how old are you?? Me 22years old.. Not working and dont have any employment letter.. I just go to CIMB bank, get 9 years loan @4.00%.
They ask a lot of questions.. I say want to buy HL lah.. Then i told them to check my CIMB account.. I told them i got fixed investment income in Dubai..  tongue.gif  Every month i pinjam RM3.5k from my mom.. Then keep in the bank lah... DONT WITHDRAW it out.. Just let the balance slowly grow... Then time to time just do some small transactions like withdraw Rm100.. Rm250.. Rm500.. Rm300 from the bank every 4-5days.. Showing like u got activity and using the money like that lah.. As long as u got a lot of money coming in, little bit going out.. Then can kautim easily ady.. They approve for me RM48500 loan.. Add with the discount SA gave me i just pay RM660 to get the car.. No d/payment also..  flex.gif  flex.gif
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got guarantor?
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Nope.. Cincai got approved also cos the fella knows my mom lah..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 2 2010, 06:47 PM)
If Persona R really looks like that.. And sell for 60k..  I bet the current gen Vios and City would have a tough time selling, and 2nd hand value will be terrible.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Chillax lah.. hah.a. Bro how old are you?? Me 22years old.. Not working and dont have any employment letter.. I just go to CIMB bank, get 9 years loan @4.00%.
They ask a lot of questions.. I say want to buy HL lah.. Then i told them to check my CIMB account.. I told them i got fixed investment income in Dubai..  tongue.gif  Every month i pinjam RM3.5k from my mom.. Then keep in the bank lah... DONT WITHDRAW it out.. Just let the balance slowly grow... Then time to time just do some small transactions like withdraw Rm100.. Rm250.. Rm500.. Rm300 from the bank every 4-5days.. Showing like u got activity and using the money like that lah.. As long as u got a lot of money coming in, little bit going out.. Then can kautim easily ady.. They approve for me RM48500 loan.. Add with the discount SA gave me i just pay RM660 to get the car.. No d/payment also..  flex.gif  flex.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 2 2010, 07:03 PM)
Nope.. Cincai got approved also cos the fella knows my mom lah..
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oops i miss out tat .... no wonder... plus know ur mom
u r so lucky man.... haha totally opposite with him
....maybe he should try CIMB too..
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 2 2010, 07:06 PM)
oops i miss out tat .... no wonder... plus know ur mom
u r so lucky man.... haha totally opposite with him
....maybe he should try CIMB too..
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Yeah.. But also before buying the car my mom went and search around among all her friends lah.. See which one got cable.. First i went to submit at Maybank also i only got 75% of B Line price (RM38k) loan only... Thats why the CIMB manager cant give me 95% for HL, as due to if 1 of the bank approve an amount of loan for my name ady it will be in the centralised system.. And other bank cant raise up the loan too much as they must use the other bank amount approval as indicative.. So the best is b4 buying a car must plan.. Use a particular account, show that you have a lot of money going in but not out of the account.. Its not the amount that comes in that matters, its the average bank balance that matters. If i nvr go to maybank in the start manatau i ady can get HL with 95% loan ady.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 2 2010, 07:06 PM)
oops i miss out tat .... no wonder... plus know ur mom
u r so lucky man.... haha totally opposite with him
....maybe he should try CIMB too..
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try Public Bank.
4 yrs @ 3.65% Interest rate.
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 2 2010, 03:17 PM)
shit man if Persona replacement is going to look like this i would be damn f***ing jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want!!!!!!!! MINUS the STUPID NAME TUAH though.

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Omg... looks damn cun thumbup.gif
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try Public Bank.
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wow... thats so damn low.... mine 7 years = 3.9 % cry.gif cry.gif
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um, so use own bank account better? i got public bank 1. cos if that i go take m line luuu...4.00% shit, i dont wanna spend so much money on car la
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 04:23 PM)
f***! moments ago a bank car loan officer interviewed me, and i accidentally slipped that i just work for 6 months and they said they maybe wont approve 90%, maybe only 85% loan! and still need guarantor! shit! f***ed!
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 04:52 PM)
rhb islamic f***ing bank, the motherrhbf***er so bias and my income so f***ing good and my monthly installment less than a f***ing quarter! f***!

Added on December 2, 2010, 5:00 pm

i damn so jealous at you! tmd f***ing bias! sorry not scold you, its them! My SA said my age is a factor, i just have 1 year working experience! how? which bank you applied?
my SA said bcos the low interest, the condition would be much stricter. that's the problem lo...
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normal la friend. dun get pissed off. btw, age is a factor. My bro kena already and i had to become his guarantor. for me, my first car last time i also hv to hav guarantor because of my lack of years working. And then when i got my Persona, my loan was approved in 2 days only and i was working in this new company for less than a month but historically with more than 5 years working already. try EON Bank. They are good. I like this bank actually.

QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 2 2010, 05:35 PM)
i took eon bank.... my interest was 3.8 or 3.7 ... tat range la...
maybe u should try apply other bank first.... while waiting .. maybe u r lucky .... they jsut say so much thing but in the end. they still approve urs?
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Mine is 3.75% interest rate.

QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 2 2010, 05:37 PM)
kinda agree, who doesnt wanna make money, if they dont approve then they mai no f***ing income. yours were 9yrs? hmmm, if the interest 3.75 my d'p is add rm10++ shit la, go f*** cow la
next monday i wanna buy my favourite plate number d, *****, the loan not approve then i mai keong kan? sorry moderator i'm kinda pissed, need to use foul language smile.gif

f***, their braintard head still insist for guarantor! cos i dont have loan record and my age factor! ta ma de diao ni lao mu!
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chill la bro. got other banks.

QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 2 2010, 06:47 PM)
If Persona R really looks like that.. And sell for 60k..  I bet the current gen Vios and City would have a tough time selling, and 2nd hand value will be terrible.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Chillax lah.. hah.a. Bro how old are you?? Me 22years old.. Not working and dont have any employment letter.. I just go to CIMB bank, get 9 years loan @4.00%.
They ask a lot of questions.. I say want to buy HL lah.. Then i told them to check my CIMB account.. I told them i got fixed investment income in Dubai..  tongue.gif  Every month i pinjam RM3.5k from my mom.. Then keep in the bank lah... DONT WITHDRAW it out.. Just let the balance slowly grow... Then time to time just do some small transactions like withdraw Rm100.. Rm250.. Rm500.. Rm300 from the bank every 4-5days.. Showing like u got activity and using the money like that lah.. As long as u got a lot of money coming in, little bit going out.. Then can kautim easily ady.. They approve for me RM48500 loan.. Add with the discount SA gave me i just pay RM660 to get the car.. No d/payment also..  flex.gif  flex.gif
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full loan 100% ah dude? Not bad can get 3.5k every month from mum oh. So nice. haha.

QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Dec 3 2010, 03:22 AM)
Omg... looks damn cun thumbup.gif
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i couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u can try affin bank.
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u can try affin bank.
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all banks but maybank? hahaha i think maybank just simply have too much red tape....
my previous application last time didnt even go through to be evaluated... vmad.gif already say i need guarantor ...else cant proceed
but.. maybank's credit card department on the other hand keep thinking i need more credit card!! never apply keep asking me to get their cards rclxub.gif ... and is directly from maybank hq... just say yes... wahlah the new credit card will reach my door step... BUT THEY DONT WANNA GIVE ME LOAN.... :S
their lost.. not mine
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um, i dont dare to ask my dad to become guarantor, cos he bought new house, and ask ppl to become guarantor, sometimes like kinda embarrassing that person, and summore a lot of procedures, make ppl frustrated at the bank. any other bank that i can go for?
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 09:30 AM)
um, i dont dare to ask my dad to become guarantor, cos he bought new house, and ask ppl to become guarantor, sometimes like kinda embarrassing that person, and summore a lot of procedures, make ppl frustrated at the bank. any other bank that i can go for?
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Do give EON bank.. or affin bank a try... they are more interested in vehicle loan business .... compare to other banks....
i too didnt want my parents or sibling to be my guarantor...do not want .... them to carry the name as guarantor.. that might be reviewed by bank when they in their turn apply for other loans..
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 09:30 AM)
um, i dont dare to ask my dad to become guarantor, cos he bought new house, and ask ppl to become guarantor, sometimes like kinda embarrassing that person, and summore a lot of procedures, make ppl frustrated at the bank. any other bank that i can go for?
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 3 2010, 09:40 AM)
Do give EON bank.. or affin bank a try... they are more interested in vehicle loan business .... compare to other banks....
i too didnt want my parents or sibling to be my guarantor...do not want .... them to carry the name as guarantor.. that might be reviewed by bank when they in their turn apply for other loans..
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Like me, my younger bro needs help for guarantor as my parents cannot. being the eldest bro...... what to do?
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 3 2010, 09:53 AM)
Like me, my younger bro needs help for guarantor as my parents cannot. being the eldest bro...... what to do?
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hah, i'm 2nd bro in my family, a good bro like you not easily to be found lo... when the f***ing rhb islamic bank need guarantor, i think of my bro, then he ee ee eh eh like dont wanna be, then say refer to dad. sometimes i feel like i'm the elder bro compared to him, cos i cared for others more.

i dont give a damn abt guarantor, and i wont secure any. cos i just borrow rm41800 nia ma kanne, like borrow money to buy c4 from najis like that. note: 1 single javelin missile: $86014.80. le ma, imagine you use bmw to bomb a tank only difference is that you die when you ram your bmw on a tank, leaving it unscathed, but you grow wings to the heaven.

keep on ranting:

le ma, guarantor got anything to do with low interest? every1 when borrow money, there's a risk impending, no1 can tell you you're gonna be fired in xxx, rhb islamic f***ing bank should use their retarded brain to think, why other bank can approve and not yours, why you must use guarantor? i ask my maid to be guarantor can? so that if i cant pay you back, dont tarik my car la, here you can f*** my maid XXX times.

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Now I'm at service centre. send for the 1K service.

Kena Rm132. is it ok guys.

Btw my cay is manual
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Now I'm at service centre. send for the 1K service.

Kena Rm132. is it ok guys.

Btw my cay is manual
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a little more exp than mine... Mine <RM120...around RM118 if not mistaken.

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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Dec 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
Now I'm at service centre. send for the 1K service.

Kena Rm132. is it ok guys.

Btw my cay is manual
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Expensive already

1k service with semi - lube = RM 114 ~ RM 118 range
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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Dec 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
Now I'm at service centre. send for the 1K service.

Kena Rm132. is it ok guys.

Btw my cay is manual
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got add screen washer... fuel treatment etc???
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got add screen washer... fuel treatment etc???
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kena tipu d...must be coolant!f***ing SC must add coolant everytime i go service...then i scold them every 10k km must change coolant r?

btw, what do u guys think of a persona using 16" Honda City rim???
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Good .... with 205/55/16 tyre....
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the rhb f***ers seems to soften a bit cos i told that **** i wont secure any guarantor, you want, approve my loan, dont want, kick my ass away and i go get other bank loan.then they ask this ask that again, kanne, fresh grad is more capable to make money ok?

p.s hmmm, LYN seems censored a wide array of foul languages, including *****, p***, lanciao , testing testing 123...

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bro,

My persona brake got sound when wet. dry no sound.. what is the problem ??

and if press harder , u can feel the vibration on the pedal .. why ah?

thanks smile.gif
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vibration should be due to ABS.. try not to emergency brake often
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 2 2010, 02:07 AM)
Bro instead or respraying only.. I recommend i do Opticoat or PPS or SierraGlow coating for it.. Much more worthwhile.. 500-650 only.. Can protect the paint forever and also can prevent scratches..
OIC.. I try to avoid toll as much as possible.. It adds up to a lot actually.. I can feel the pain.. I reload rm100 TnG and within 1mth can finish.. @.@
If only i know there will be terrible jam then i wud used toll highway..

Everyone.. I wound DISCOURAGE you all from pumping at ESSO SS14 (beside roundabout). There i think the petrol they got mix with thinner or water..

Experience:
I pump full tank Ron95@SS14 to go ipoh.. Engine was super noisy on highway.. The noisiest i ever heard from my engine (even with radio on and playing some clubbing hits i can still hear my engine roar, normally can nvr hear anything with volume 28).. Max speed also barely can touch 170kmh. (Remember in my youtube video I reached 190kmh and the engine was super smooth and quiet even with the radio off)
On return journey, I pour Esso ron97. Engine was super quiet.. Poorer pickup than normal but on high speed the power came smoothly.. Touch 200+kmh effortlessly..
Then today morning i pour rm10 Esso95 at SS14, go to ampang hilir.. Rm20 tank just finish like that.. Not even terrible jam (4pm). Engine no pickup.. Heavy and keep on changing gear as i had to press harder to accelerate.. On the way back from ampang hilir i pour RM50 Esso95. Was rushing back cos have to reach SS15 by 8pm.. 7.20pm leave from ampang hilir.. 2fast2furious i drive like mad.. Pickup was smooth.. Can feel the engine more responsive and FC was very good.. I travelled back and went to USJ19 and back to SS15 a few times.. Total 64km use less than half of 1gap..
So i think the SS14 station there must have campur something else into the petrol.. Cos i have been using Esso for so many fill-ups ady and i can feel the difference..
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BRo, if u fill with ron97 then 95 of coz the engine still smooth bcoz there still some Ron97 left mix wit ron95.
I have try using Shell Racing till indicator light then pour ron95 and can go 520km....
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QUOTE(kausar @ Dec 3 2010, 03:02 PM)
BRo, if u fill with ron97 then 95 of coz the engine still smooth bcoz there still some Ron97 left mix wit ron95.
I have try using Shell Racing till indicator light then pour ron95 and can go 520km....
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so means we can save money by pump ron95 by 70%, then ron 97 by 30%?
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Dear All forumers....

My brother said tonite fuel price for RON95 and Diesel will increase...he didnt told me how many...but previously he always alert me b4 the price increase..all correct..happy.gif sad2..
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Dear All forumers....

My brother said tonite fuel price for RON95 and Diesel will increase...he didnt told me how many...but previously he always alert me b4 the price increase..all correct..happy.gif sad2..
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wtf? gaberment reli terlampau la!!! poket maney finis d la
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QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 3 2010, 03:20 PM)
Dear All forumers....

My brother said tonite fuel price for RON95 and Diesel will increase...he didnt told me how many...but previously he always alert me b4 the price increase..all correct..happy.gif sad2..
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gov already said they will review the fuel price by monthly basis, not weekly, unless they really want to lose we this poor rakyat
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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Dec 3 2010, 08:53 AM)
full loan 100% ah dude? Not bad can get 3.5k every month from mum oh. So nice. haha.
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No lah.. By paperwork is i apply for HL.. But then the bank officer help adjust till ngam ngam 100% loan for BL.. SO thats 81.5% laon approval lah... flex.gif
I get 3.5k put in bank account for show only.. If only i were able to use the money.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 09:56 AM)
hah, i'm 2nd bro in my family, a good bro like you not easily to be found lo... when the f***ing rhb islamic bank need guarantor, i think of my bro, then he ee ee eh eh like dont wanna be, then say refer to dad. sometimes i feel like i'm the elder bro compared to him, cos i cared for others more.

i dont give a damn abt guarantor, and i wont secure any. cos i just borrow rm41800 nia ma kanne, like borrow money to buy c4 from najis like that. note: 1 single javelin missile: $86014.80. le ma, imagine you use bmw to bomb a tank only difference is that you die when you ram your bmw on a tank, leaving it unscathed, but you grow wings to the heaven.

keep on ranting:

le ma, guarantor got anything to do with low interest? every1 when borrow money, there's a risk impending, no1 can tell you you're gonna be fired in xxx, rhb islamic f***ing bank should use their retarded brain to think, why other bank can approve and not yours, why you must use guarantor? i ask my maid to be guarantor can? so that if i cant pay you back, dont tarik my car la, here you can f*** my maid XXX times.
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They want a guarantor cos U dont have any historical record of loan repayment.. The historical record will look something like this.. +1 +1 +1 +1 or +1 +2 +2 or 0 0 0... The +1 means that u pay ur loan 1mth in arrears. 0 means u pay as soon as it is billed.. +2 means u pay 2mths after getting billed.. Eventhough if u pay 1mth late everytime its still ok as they want to see ur consistency in payment. Try Al-Rajhi bank.. My friend said they are quite relax with the terms.. Can nego for 0.25% lesser interest if u are good..

QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 3 2010, 03:20 PM)
Dear All forumers....

My brother said tonite fuel price for RON95 and Diesel will increase...he didnt told me how many...but previously he always alert me b4 the price increase..all correct..happy.gif sad2..
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MCB KNN CCB PKM meh lan dou zha dou mat chat sohai Najis.. 1.85 not expensive enuf ah? How to survive pouring petrol from pocket money each mth.. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif


BTW just came back from KLIMS... Haiz.. haiz haiz.... The lamest show so far.. All japanese cars only.. The best showbooth is from Honda and Toyota.. Proton did a really well job too.. Damn those cars.. IF they were to come out with cars exactly like what they displayed and maintain the same price like now... Toyota and Honda can bungkus roti banjir go back Japan ady.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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Hey Persona owners,

We are having a roadshow to help you get the best out of your Lokatoo GPS Navigator. Our Lokatoo Ambassadors will be present at selected Proton outlets to give you:

1. Product usage demos
2. Software and map updating demos
3. Answer any questions about Lokatoo GPS Navigators

Schedule:

15/11/2010 (Mon) - 14/12/2010 (Tues)

- Proton (Mutiara Damansara), No 10, Jalan PJU 7/3, Mutiara Damansara, 47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor.
- Proton (Section U1 Glenmarie, Shah Alam), No 8, Jalan Juruhebah U1/50, Temasya Industrial Park, Section U1 Glenmarie, 40150 Shah Alam, Selangor.
- Proton (COE, Subang Jaya), KM 33.8, Westbound Shah Alam Expressway, 47600 Subang Jaya, Selangor.

29/11/2010 (Mon) - 5/12/2010 (Sun)

- Proton (Taman SEA), 59 & 61, Jalan SS 23/15, Taman Sea, 47400 Petaling Jaya, Selangor.
- Proton (Jln Kepong), No. 9 & 11, Jalan 3/34A, Kepong Entrepreneurs Park, Batu 7, Jalan Kepong, 52100 Kuala Lumpur.


6/12/2010 (Mon) - 14/12/2010 (Tues)

- Proton (Jalan Ampang), No. 203, Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur.
- Proton (Tmn Palm Grove, Klang), No. 25, Persiaran Raja Muda Musa, Off Jalan Kelapa, Taman Palm Grove, 41200 Klang, Selangor.

Do drop by and check us out!
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all our members, RON95 will be increase 5 cents tonight.
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Yes its confirmed..

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/149922

Btw did u notice the coincidence in the rapid rise of petrol price?? Proton have a diarrhea of battery powered alternative.. Petrol prices on the rise like no man business now.. So when the price has really become unbearable and then Proton releases battery powered car, its going to be the hottest selling cake around wei!! Business strategy.. But not refined enough.. They like inflict the injury first, and dont give u medicine to recover till sometime later.. Proper business strategy should be give an alternative choice first before inflicting the wound and damage, so at least ppl would try to avert from pain and jump ship to battery powered cars first. Stupid gomen.

Trust me later ur teh and milo all going to go up by 20sen too.. As though they are using 1kg of sugar per cup of tea.. 1kg of sugar can even overfill the glass they use to serve, let alone charge us extra 20sen for it..

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just to update.. as last time i mentioned bout my car suddenly lost its power, feel heavy, and engine indicator appeared...


next day, have my car sent to sc.. 2 hrs waiting.. the the result, sc said engine sockets found 'longgar' ..

lega seh... blink.gif FOC...
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 12:53 PM)
the rhb f***ers seems to soften a bit cos i told that **** i wont secure any guarantor, you want, approve my loan, dont want, kick my ass away and i go get other bank loan.then they ask this ask that again, kanne, fresh grad is more capable to make money ok?

p.s hmmm, LYN seems censored a wide array of foul languages, including *****, p***, lanciao , testing testing 123...
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Cool it Dude! This place is not a Michael Chong's MCA Public Complaints Bureau. Unfortunately, a lot of members here like to think it is. Why don't you come back here once you have your ride & tell us all about how you go it. Just a reminder, this place is for Persona owners. Not wanabe Persona owners like you.
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kena outrunned by Lancer GT aka Inspira today sad.gif
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Dec 3 2010, 07:19 PM)
all our members, RON95 will be increase 5 cents tonight.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 01:53 PM)
the rhb f***ers seems to soften a bit cos i told that **** i wont secure any guarantor, you want, approve my loan, dont want, kick my ass away and i go get other bank loan.then they ask this ask that again, kanne, fresh grad is more capable to make money ok?

p.s hmmm, LYN seems censored a wide array of foul languages, including *****, p***, lanciao , testing testing 123...
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please mind your language .... we doesn't want this thread to be closed in the future
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sorry..guys...my socket not working..can u guys teach me where's the fuse? and extra fuse to exchange??or how much per pcs if i replace outside?

thankx user posted image

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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 09:56 AM)
hah, i'm 2nd bro in my family, a good bro like you not easily to be found lo... when the f***ing rhb islamic bank need guarantor, i think of my bro, then he ee ee eh eh like dont wanna be, then say refer to dad. sometimes i feel like i'm the elder bro compared to him, cos i cared for others more.

i dont give a damn abt guarantor, and i wont secure any. cos i just borrow rm41800 nia ma kanne, like borrow money to buy c4 from najis like that. note: 1 single javelin missile: $86014.80. le ma, imagine you use bmw to bomb a tank only difference is that you die when you ram your bmw on a tank, leaving it unscathed, but you grow wings to the heaven.

keep on ranting:

le ma, guarantor got anything to do with low interest? every1 when borrow money, there's a risk impending, no1 can tell you you're gonna be fired in xxx, rhb islamic f***ing bank should use their retarded brain to think, why other bank can approve and not yours, why you must use guarantor? i ask my maid to be guarantor can? so that if i cant pay you back, dont tarik my car la, here you can f*** my maid XXX times.
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QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 3 2010, 12:53 PM)
the rhb f***ers seems to soften a bit cos i told that **** i wont secure any guarantor, you want, approve my loan, dont want, kick my ass away and i go get other bank loan.then they ask this ask that again, kanne, fresh grad is more capable to make money ok?

p.s hmmm, LYN seems censored a wide array of foul languages, including *****, p***, lanciao , testing testing 123...
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cool it bro. this is a public forum with all forumers practicing proper manners in here. mind ur language please and please change ur avatar pic. i think you need to go have a big glass of teh c peng to cool down. smile.gif See you back in here again with a cooler attitude ok bro? Chill man.

QUOTE(mafarizan @ Dec 3 2010, 12:25 PM)
Good .... with 205/55/16 tyre....
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hey dude...... do you mind posting some photos of ur ride with the wheels???? I would like to see it. Cuz i am thinking of going either 205/50R16 OR 205/55R16 OR 205/45/R17. UNDECIDED now....... sad.gif
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sorry..guys...my socket not working..can u guys teach me where's the fuse? and extra fuse to exchange??or how much per pcs if i replace outside?

thankx user posted image
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Dec 3 2010, 11:44 PM)
kena outrunned by Lancer GT aka Inspira today sad.gif
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with ur persona??? OF COURSE laaaaaa. hahaha..... different cars with different engine capacity.
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i saw ZenGTMM post about the common persona problems..

have anyone discuss about shifting to gear 1?
my MT persona reli hard to shift to gear 1..few days back change gear oil oso same...hard
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How come lately I've seen 2 Persona broke down in the middle of the road. It's not GEN2, NEO or WAJA... in a week I've seen 2 cases.

I am curious & I believe this thread will have an answer.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 4 2010, 11:13 AM)
How come lately I've seen 2 Persona broke down in the middle of the road. It's not GEN2, NEO or WAJA... in a week I've seen 2 cases.

I am curious & I believe this thread will have an answer.
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Should have stopped to find out i.e if u r not alone.
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Happy persona owner here. Just got it yesterday .
What fuel u all using? I'm using 95 esso
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 3 2010, 06:25 PM)

They want a guarantor cos U dont have any historical record of loan repayment.. The historical record will look something like this.. +1 +1 +1 +1 or +1 +2 +2 or 0 0 0... The +1 means that u pay ur loan 1mth in arrears. 0 means u pay as soon as it is billed.. +2 means u pay 2mths after getting billed.. Eventhough if u pay 1mth late everytime its still ok as they want to see ur consistency in payment.  Try Al-Rajhi bank.. My friend said they are quite relax with the terms.. Can nego for 0.25% lesser interest if u are good..
MCB KNN CCB PKM meh lan dou zha dou mat chat sohai Najis.. 1.85 not expensive enuf ah? How to survive pouring petrol from pocket money each mth..  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
BTW just came back from KLIMS... Haiz.. haiz haiz.... The lamest show so far.. All japanese cars only.. The best showbooth is from Honda and Toyota.. Proton did a really well job too.. Damn those cars.. IF they were to come out with cars exactly like what they displayed and maintain the same price like now... Toyota and Honda can bungkus roti banjir go back Japan ady..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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what bank is that? Al-Rajhi? never heard it before.
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what is the reliable and performance aid spark plug for persona?
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Some pics from KLIMS smile.gif

sorry for the crappy photos. no dslr. just used my ip4

Tuah
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Proton Espire?? There was a interactive touch screen monitor at Proton area. Can customize/configure the ride and print out in color from their epson printer there. i captured some photos of the Proton Espire that's available as one of the model that can customize. Looks like Tuah already has an official name

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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Dec 5 2010, 12:43 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
wow..very nice thumbup.gif
with new engine too?

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what is the reliable and performance aid spark plug for persona?
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im just using bosch platinum-iridium plug + sports cable.
so far so good tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Dec 3 2010, 11:44 PM)
kena outrunned by Lancer GT aka Inspira today sad.gif
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Install Dry Nitro Meth.. Guarantee u can give GTR a run for its money... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(roundedfly @ Dec 4 2010, 10:23 AM)
sorry..guys...my socket not working..can u guys teach me where's the fuse? and extra fuse to exchange??or how much per pcs if i replace outside?

thankx user posted image
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Erm which socket not working?? These problem better bring to SC to repair.. Electronics stuff dont play play..

QUOTE(slater_iz @ Dec 4 2010, 11:03 AM)
i saw ZenGTMM post about the common persona problems..

have anyone discuss about shifting to gear 1?
my MT persona reli hard to shift to gear 1..few days back change gear oil oso same...hard
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Hard to shift into Gear 1 as in difficult to push in the stalk or the gear not engaging?
If difficult to push into the Gear 1 position its normal. Thats the main reason i went for Auto cos the manual stick so hard and long throw. Tak shiok..

QUOTE(saw2001 @ Dec 4 2010, 12:12 PM)
Happy persona owner here. Just got it yesterday .
What fuel u all using? I'm using 95 esso
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Yeah majority of us using Esso Ron95.. Thats the best we have came to so far..

QUOTE(fenrir0402 @ Dec 4 2010, 04:32 PM)
what bank is that? Al-Rajhi? never heard it before.
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Yeah Al-Rajhi.. Its quite a prominent bank in the middle east..
http://www.alrajhibank.com.my/


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Proton Espire?? There was a interactive touch screen monitor at Proton area. Can customize/configure the ride and print out in color from their epson printer there. i captured some photos of the Proton Espire that's available as one of the model that can customize. Looks like Tuah already has an official name

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Its just a clay model.. Too bad.. Anyone manage to source where they get the LED fog lamp from?? Very interested to install in my Persona.. biggrin.gif


Does the door open indicator (the red logo) on the meter panel lights up if the boot is open?
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Does the door open indicator (the red logo) on the meter panel lights up if the boot is open?


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Hi ppl, is it true the Persona stop production ady?
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Hi ppl, is it true the Persona stop production ady?
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Guys, add me to the list.. New LYN member & new Personarian... XD
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just got my car last week, but I've been reading the thread since V1!!

Thumbs up guys!! thumbup.gif

I love my new car..But I'm facing some problems... Mostly noise problems..

1.Cornering or simply driving on uneven road, metal knocking sound. I understand that it's the steering assembly/orifice valve thingy.

2.Dashboard rattling noises when accelerating. Really irritating, sounds like some loose screws but I'm not so sure about it.

3.Buzzing sound from driver side aircond vent, from what I read it seems like it can be solved by reprogramming the ECU?

4.Door panel sound from front passenger seat. It sounds like 2 pieces of leather rubbing against each other when I'm driving, but if I wind down the window just a little bit, like a few mm, the sound is gone. Anyone encountered this before? Seems like the rubber is pressing too hard on the window glass when the window is fully up.

5.Door panel sound from rear right passenger seat. I have no clue where it came from. Everytime I go over bumps, there's a noise, as if there's something IN the door panel that's loose. Sounds like 'tak' 'tak'. And, the sound is quite persistent and it happens 9 out of 10 bumps I drive over, no matter how slow I drive. I'm quite sure that the sound came from the door panel because I can hear it very near me, like right behind me. So far this is the most annoying and irritating sound in the car.

Anyone facing no. 2, 3,4 & 5? Going to CoSE tomorrow, maybe to let them find out what's wrong & where do the noises come from. Then maybe order parts & make another appointment. Hmm.. hmm.gif

Also, I'm planning to change my stock rims to 17' rims. The guy at the tyre shop suggested that I should use 215/45/17, but I'm not quite sure about that.. Will 215 be a little too wide & hit the fenders while cornering or overloading? E.G; 4-5 persons in the car.

Pls advice, sifu sifu personarians out there... tongue.gif

I seriously hope I didn't get a lemon... So far no prob with engine & all that, only noises... Loud, irritating noises..

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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 5 2010, 04:34 PM)
Guys, add me to the list.. New LYN member & new Personarian... XD
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just got my car last week, but I've been reading the thread since V1!!

Thumbs up guys!!  thumbup.gif

I love my new car..But I'm facing some problems... Mostly noise problems..

1.Cornering or simply driving on uneven road, metal knocking sound. I understand that it's the steering assembly/orifice valve thingy.

2.Dashboard rattling noises when accelerating. Really irritating, sounds like some loose screws but I'm not so sure about it.

3.Buzzing sound from driver side aircond vent, from what I read it seems like it can be solved by reprogramming the ECU?

4.Door panel sound from front passenger seat. It sounds like 2 pieces of leather rubbing against each other when I'm driving, but if I wind down the window just a little bit, like a few mm, the sound is gone. Anyone encountered this before? Seems like the rubber is pressing too hard on the window glass when the window is fully up.

5.Door panel sound from rear right passenger seat. I have no clue where it came from. Everytime I go over bumps, there's a noise, as if there's something IN the door panel that's loose. Sounds like 'tak' 'tak'. And, the sound is quite persistent and it happens 9 out of 10 bumps I drive over, no matter how slow I drive. I'm quite sure that the sound came from the door panel because I can hear it very near me, like right behind me. So far this is the most annoying and irritating sound in the car.

Anyone facing no. 2, 3,4 & 5? Going to CoSE tomorrow, maybe to let them find out what's wrong & where do the noises come from. Then maybe order parts & make another appointment. Hmm..  hmm.gif

Also, I'm planning to change my stock rims to 17' rims. The guy at the tyre shop suggested that I should use 215/45/17, but I'm not quite sure about that.. Will 215 be a little too wide & hit the fenders while cornering or overloading? E.G; 4-5 persons in the car.

Pls advice, sifu sifu personarians out there... tongue.gif

I seriously hope I didn't get a lemon... So far no prob with engine & all that, only noises... Loud, irritating noises..
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i having the same problem with u for item 1 to 4. do update us when u solve it.
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i having the same problem with u for item 1 to 4. do update us when u solve it.
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Guys, add me to the list.. New LYN member & new Personarian... XD
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just got my car last week, but I've been reading the thread since V1!!

Thumbs up guys!!  thumbup.gif

I love my new car..But I'm facing some problems... Mostly noise problems..

1.Cornering or simply driving on uneven road, metal knocking sound. I understand that it's the steering assembly/orifice valve thingy.

2.Dashboard rattling noises when accelerating. Really irritating, sounds like some loose screws but I'm not so sure about it.

3.Buzzing sound from driver side aircond vent, from what I read it seems like it can be solved by reprogramming the ECU?

4.Door panel sound from front passenger seat. It sounds like 2 pieces of leather rubbing against each other when I'm driving, but if I wind down the window just a little bit, like a few mm, the sound is gone. Anyone encountered this before? Seems like the rubber is pressing too hard on the window glass when the window is fully up.

5.Door panel sound from rear right passenger seat. I have no clue where it came from. Everytime I go over bumps, there's a noise, as if there's something IN the door panel that's loose. Sounds like 'tak' 'tak'. And, the sound is quite persistent and it happens 9 out of 10 bumps I drive over, no matter how slow I drive. I'm quite sure that the sound came from the door panel because I can hear it very near me, like right behind me. So far this is the most annoying and irritating sound in the car.

Anyone facing no. 2, 3,4 & 5? Going to CoSE tomorrow, maybe to let them find out what's wrong & where do the noises come from. Then maybe order parts & make another appointment. Hmm..  hmm.gif

Also, I'm planning to change my stock rims to 17' rims. The guy at the tyre shop suggested that I should use 215/45/17, but I'm not quite sure about that.. Will 215 be a little too wide & hit the fenders while cornering or overloading? E.G; 4-5 persons in the car.

Pls advice, sifu sifu personarians out there... tongue.gif

I seriously hope I didn't get a lemon... So far no prob with engine & all that, only noises... Loud, irritating noises..
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If you have been following this thread since v1, then you should know what you are getting into when buying a Persona. First, I recommend you to get a set of lock nuts for your rims or else you will end up with a set of bricks. Then, get a good tire gauge so that you can inflate your tires with the ideal pressure. I feel the manufacturer's tire pressure recommendation of 31 psi (Front) & 28psi (Rear) is still a bit too high. This will cause the whole car to vibrate more hence the noises. I also think you are one of those unlucky ones having an orchestra for a car. My car is 15 mths. old & other than No. 5 (which I solved myself with electrical tape @ the folding seat) . No. 1 , non-existence, No.2 & 3 came & gone. The sound from the back seat can be very loud if left unchecked. As for the sound when you switch on the Air-con. - give it some time to run-in. As for the wider tires, they will not enhance your cars performance or your comfort, in fact the opposite. For some who has been following since v1, I don't think you are so gullible unless you have poor memory.
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QUOTE(rckh @ Dec 5 2010, 09:40 PM)
If you have been following this thread since v1, then you should know what you are getting into when buying a Persona. First, I recommend you to get a set of lock nuts for your rims or else you will end up with a set of bricks.  Then, get a good tire gauge so that you can inflate your tires with the ideal pressure. I feel the manufacturer's tire pressure recommendation of 31 psi (Front) & 28psi (Rear) is still a bit too high.  This will cause the whole car to vibrate more hence the noises.  I also think you are one of those unlucky ones having an orchestra for a car. My car is 15 mths. old & other than No. 5 (which I solved myself with electrical tape @ the folding seat) . No. 1 , non-existence, No.2 & 3 came & gone. The sound from the back seat can be very loud if left unchecked.  As for the sound when you switch on the Air-con. - give it some time to run-in. As for the wider tires, they will not enhance your cars performance or your comfort, in fact the opposite. For some who has been following since v1, I don't think you are so gullible unless you have poor memory.
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Let me address the situations one by one.

First, I guess almost everybody in their right mind would get a proper set of lock nuts if they ever change their rims. Common sense?

Secondly, yes, I've checked my tyre pressures. And nope, 31 & 28 psi is not too high for me. The vibration came from the engine itself, not the road condition/tyre pressure, thus causing the rattling noise. I've tried it on the smoothest, newest paved road that I can find in my area, and the result is the same. If you're suggesting that I should deflate/inflate my wheels so that there would not be any vibrations, you're not offering me a solution. You're just offering a cover-up to the existing problem. If a screw is loose somewhere in that dashboard, deflating the wheels won't tighten it up, if you'd realise.

No.5 - No, the problem is not with the folding seat. I'm very sure of that, because I had someone sitting behind while I'm driving & he confirmed with me that the noises came from the door panel. As I said, as it something is inside between the door panel and the door that makes knocking sounds when I go over bumps. And, I've already took the extra step to tape the seat hook even before the seat starts making any noise.

And No.4, if it's aircond noise, I can definitely identify it because I've sat in a friend's Persona before, and the completely different sound comes from the centre aircond vent, not side. This buzzing noise that I'm hearing, even with the aircond off, it goes away a few minutes after the engine is switched off. And did you read about other forummers that had reflashed their ECU to the latest version? The buzzing sound is gone, and I'm quite sure it's the same buzzing sound that I'm sharing with them.

As for the wider wheels, I'm asking for opinions because I'm going for aesthetics rather than comfort/performance. If not, why the 17''? The thing is, I'm asking purely for opinions on tyre size. I know that most Personarians here who run on 17'' wheels sits on 205/40 or 205/45. I wanted to know if there are anyone out there right now who's running on 215, and I don't remember seeing a post on 215/45/17 wheels on Persona. Maybe there is, but I might not be able to remember that (125 pages per V x 9).

I did expected what I will get when I placed the downpayment for my Persona. I just love Persona, & the problems doesn't stop me from buying it. I'm just trying to solve them noises. And it's probably you who are lucky to get a mint Persona, because I think around 7, if not, 8 Personas out of 10 out there faces the orifice valve/steering assembly problem.

Anyway, no offense and I truly apologize if any of my words above hurt your feelings in any way, or reminded you of anyone dead or alive. Cheers. cheers.gif

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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 5 2010, 04:34 PM)
Guys, add me to the list.. New LYN member & new Personarian... XD
PE Bronze Garnet M-line, WUP 6**6, Setapak/W.Maju/Melawati area  biggrin.gif
just got my car last week, but I've been reading the thread since V1!!

Thumbs up guys!!  thumbup.gif

I love my new car..But I'm facing some problems... Mostly noise problems..

1.Cornering or simply driving on uneven road, metal knocking sound. I understand that it's the steering assembly/orifice valve thingy.

2.Dashboard rattling noises when accelerating. Really irritating, sounds like some loose screws but I'm not so sure about it.

3.Buzzing sound from driver side aircond vent, from what I read it seems like it can be solved by reprogramming the ECU?

4.Door panel sound from front passenger seat. It sounds like 2 pieces of leather rubbing against each other when I'm driving, but if I wind down the window just a little bit, like a few mm, the sound is gone. Anyone encountered this before? Seems like the rubber is pressing too hard on the window glass when the window is fully up.

5.Door panel sound from rear right passenger seat. I have no clue where it came from. Everytime I go over bumps, there's a noise, as if there's something IN the door panel that's loose. Sounds like 'tak' 'tak'. And, the sound is quite persistent and it happens 9 out of 10 bumps I drive over, no matter how slow I drive. I'm quite sure that the sound came from the door panel because I can hear it very near me, like right behind me. So far this is the most annoying and irritating sound in the car.

Anyone facing no. 2, 3,4 & 5? Going to CoSE tomorrow, maybe to let them find out what's wrong & where do the noises come from. Then maybe order parts & make another appointment. Hmm..  hmm.gif

Also, I'm planning to change my stock rims to 17' rims. The guy at the tyre shop suggested that I should use 215/45/17, but I'm not quite sure about that.. Will 215 be a little too wide & hit the fenders while cornering or overloading? E.G; 4-5 persons in the car.

Pls advice, sifu sifu personarians out there... tongue.gif

I seriously hope I didn't get a lemon... So far no prob with engine & all that, only noises... Loud, irritating noises..
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Ok Prob 1 is solved.. Prob 2 can solve it by buying a bag of washers from ace hardware then unscrew a few screws in the dash and use it as dampeners between the screw and screw it back tightly but not toooo tight.. prob 3 shd be solved with the new firmware.. My car was manufactured somewhere after the mid of october and it ady had the new firmware loaded in.. Urs shd be using the latest firmware, but its no harm doing a check.. 4,5 not too sure..

As for rims i dont think it will be much of a prob using 215/45R17.. I would discourage using 40series as its rather too thin and very harsh on the ride.. Furthermore a slight hit on bigger potholes may cause rim damage. I saw a fellas car using 215/45R17 and it looks nice and it nvr hits the fender too although he takes precaution when going over humps and bumpy roads lah..
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I did saw another persona in CoSE using 205/45R17 tires.. The tire wall can see its inclining inwards.. As though not offering protection for the rim.. IMO i prefer the tire wall to be straight flush against the rim lah.. Looks beefier.. But there are ppl that love to have the rims jutting out VIP style.. rclxms.gif

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Ok Prob 1 is solved.. Prob 2 can solve it by buying a bag of washers from ace hardware then unscrew a few screws in the dash and use it as dampeners between the screw and screw it back tightly but not toooo tight..  prob 3 shd be solved with the new firmware.. My car was manufactured somewhere after the mid of october and it ady had the new firmware loaded in.. Urs shd be using the latest firmware, but its no harm doing a check.. 4,5 not too sure..

As for rims i dont think it will be much of a prob using 215/45R17.. I would discourage using 40series as its rather too thin and very harsh on the ride.. Furthermore a slight hit on bigger potholes may cause rim damage. I saw a fellas car using 215/45R17 and it looks nice and it nvr hits the fender too although he takes precaution when going over humps and bumpy roads lah..
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I did saw another persona in CoSE using 205/45R17 tires.. The tire wall can see its inclining inwards.. As though not offering protection for the rim.. IMO i prefer the tire wall to be straight flush against the rim lah.. Looks beefier.. But there are ppl that love to have the rims jutting out VIP style..  rclxms.gif
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Finally, proper answers to my questions. rclxms.gif

My car was manufactured in September. hmm.gif

I know, 45 is just fine, it's the width that I'm worried about. Will the front tyres hit the fenders when making a turn or a complete turn?
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Jack, are ur windows tinted? If so, what kind of tint are u using?
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yes, i got the CannyTint. The ultimate package, cost me about 1k+.
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 12:40 AM)
Finally, proper answers to my questions.   rclxms.gif

My car was manufactured in September.  hmm.gif

I know, 45 is just fine, it's the width that I'm worried about. Will the front tyres hit the fenders when making a turn or a complete turn?
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That was my main concerns too initially.. I asked the fella and he said he didnt notice any tire scrapping noise but he was not too sure himself... If it indeed do scrape the inside wall of the arch then maybe can add spacers to push out the rims.. Btw the turning radius of Persona very large lah.. Most of the time have to reverse and drive when doing illegal u turn.. mad.gif So i dont think its gonna hit the inside wall..

Anyways for ur info on calculating u do a full lock turn and park ur car, get down and measure the gap of the tire edge to ur sidewall.. Then later when choosing the rims u see lah which has more offset.. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN the Persona rim offset is +46. So choose something like +50 and below if available.. Definitely will be safe enough to fit 215tires.. Dont go too much offset as it will cause unnecessary stress on ur wheel bolt and alignment will be more difficult. Driving dynamics and turning radius will be altered too..

As for tire pressuire i go for 235kpa in front and 220kpa at the back.. I normally used 225kpa at the back but i realised that the tire do lock up quite easily when the car has no passengers.. 220kpa now doesnt give me that problem so far..

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Dec 6 2010, 12:44 AM)
yes, i got the CannyTint. The ultimate package, cost me about 1k+.
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I'm beginning to think that it's the tint that's too thick that caused the rubber noise. Cos mine is security film from TintMaster, and it's kinda thick, to me.

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That was my main concerns too initially.. I asked the fella and he said he didnt notice any tire scrapping noise but he was not too sure himself... If it indeed do scrape the inside wall of the arch then maybe can add spacers to push out the rims.. Btw the turning radius of Persona very small lah.. Most of the time have to reverse and drive when doing illegal u turn..  So i dont think its gonna hit the inside wall..

Anyways for ur info on calculating u do a full lock turn and park ur car, get down and measure the gap of the tire edge to ur sidewall.. Then later when choosing the rims u see lah which has more offset.. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN the Persona rim offset is +46. So choose something like +50 and below if available.. Definitely will be safe enough to fit 215tires.. Dont go too much offset as it will cause unnecessary stress on ur wheel bolt and alignment will be more difficult. Driving dynamics and turning radius will be altered too..

As for tire pressuire i go for 235kpa in front and 220kpa at the back.. I normally used 225kpa at the back but i realised that the tire do lock up quite easily when the car has no passengers.. 220kpa now doesnt give me that problem so far..


Are you running on stock rims? Erm... I thought turning radius small = easier & smaller area needed for complete turn?

Anyway, do you have the complete info on CoSE's operating hours, etc? I can't find it on Proton's website.. & I'm on wireless, it's bloody slow.. shocking.gif
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 01:06 AM)
I'm beginning to think that it's the tint that's too thick that caused the rubber noise. Cos mine is security film from TintMaster, and it's kinda thick, to me.
Are you running on stock rims? Erm... I thought turning radius small = easier & smaller area needed for complete turn?

Anyway, do you have the complete info on CoSE's operating hours, etc? I can't find it on Proton's website.. & I'm on wireless, it's bloody slow..  shocking.gif
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Oh sorry.. Left out 1 word.. Its not very small.. tongue.gif

8.30am would be a safe bet.. But i recommend u to go earlier as u didnt make an appointment with them and they are quite packed most of time..
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Oh sorry.. Left out 1 word.. Its not very small.. tongue.gif

8.30am would be a safe bet.. But i recommend u to go earlier as u didnt make an appointment with them and they are quite packed most of time..
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LoL. Ok.. Anyway, even if they do not have time to attend to me, I'll just make an appointment on the spot for another day, & they can just get the parts ready for me & change it later...XD
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....Dyno run? My stock car... Nah... I'd be disappointingly shocked by the results.. LoL.
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....Dyno run? My stock car... Nah... I'd be disappointingly shocked by the results.. LoL.
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Mine also 100% stock.. I want to get some baseline figures for my car then upgrade from there onwards.
Im looking for a figure not below 100whp i hope.. laugh.gif

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Aiyo, I've read somewhere, someone dyno-ed a stock Persona, only 70+ WHP leh... I'm not prepared for such news. LoL. Ur's new car?
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 01:50 AM)
Aiyo, I've read somewhere, someone dyno-ed a stock Persona, only 70+ WHP leh... I'm not prepared for such news. LoL. Ur's new car?
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Yeah my car Only 1mth4days old.. run 2700+km ady..70+ whp???!!! Damn wei... If like that straight i give this car to my mom and get another car ady.. No use trying to mod and bring up figures from so much of transmission power loss.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 01:52 AM)
Yeah my car Only 1mth4days old.. run 2700+km ady..70+ whp???!!! Damn wei... If like that straight i give this car to my mom and get another car ady.. No use trying to mod and bring up figures from so much of transmission power loss..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hahaha.. Hard to say lo.. Our Persona also not that bad la actually.. Rite?? I tried before 0-100 in 9 secs.. Auto gear, play shift.. LoL. Better than me, my car abt 2 weeks old already 1800 km.. Crap..

Hey, do you know anyone who tried retro-fitting disc brakes into B or M-line Personas? I'm thinking of doing that.. Persona's stock brakes are too crappy..
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 02:01 AM)
Hahaha.. Hard to say lo.. Our Persona also not that bad la actually.. Rite?? I tried before 0-100 in 9 secs.. Auto gear, play shift.. LoL. Better than me, my car abt 2 weeks old already 1800 km.. Crap..

Hey, do you know anyone who tried retro-fitting disc brakes into B or M-line Personas? I'm thinking of doing that.. Persona's stock brakes are too crappy..
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Yeah persona is really good.. 9sec for 0-100 is respectable for such a obese car.. Will see what i can do with it later..

Me student only.. Use my car too much then no money pour petrol.. tongue.gif Instead of retrofitting try changing the brake pads first.. Good suggestion would be Bendix Metal King. Retrofitting is a lot of problem, such as changing master brake pump, brake fluid delivery cables, brake disc etc.. Trust me u will get used to the brake within 1 mth time.. I was very worried bout the brakes initially but now im perfectly used to it.. It stops well too..

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I AM getting used to the brakes... But it doesn't feel good la.. I was thinking of changing the rotors to cross-drilled ones, and high performance brake pads to compensate for the crappy saga 1.3 master brake pump... I got quoted around RM 600 from EA.. Quite a good price, but currently broke now.. biggrin.gif


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I AM getting used to the brakes... But it doesn't feel good la.. I was thinking of changing the rotors to cross-drilled ones, and high performance brake pads to compensate for the crappy saga 1.3 master brake pump... I got quoted around RM 600 from EA.. Quite a good price, but currently broke now..  biggrin.gif
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Oh those EA ones.. Cross drilled and slotted.. But then that does not include the master brake pump right? Try getting half cut Evo3 double servo ones.. Rm150 can get one ady.. Then we go drag and see who wins the 100-0 time eh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 02:12 AM)
Oh those EA ones.. Cross drilled and slotted.. But then that does not include the master brake pump right? Try getting half cut Evo3 double servo ones.. Rm150 can get one ady.. Then we go drag and see who wins the 100-0 time eh tongue.gif
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There's no need to change the master brake pump.. It's just the rotors and brake pads replacing the stock ones.. Evo3? Nah, not gonna EVOlve my Persona.. LoL.
0-100-0... Ok?? XD I don't wanna burn my wheels yet, gonna trade it in for 17".. There's a shop in Gombak willing to take my set of stock wheels for 1k.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 02:18 AM)
There's no need to change the master brake pump.. It's just the rotors and brake pads replacing the stock ones.. Evo3? Nah, not gonna EVOlve my Persona.. LoL.
0-100-0... Ok?? XD I don't wanna burn my wheels yet, gonna trade it in for 17".. There's a shop in Gombak willing to take my set of stock wheels for 1k..  brows.gif
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Erm but then u shd know 1.3master brake pump are tuned for front disc back drum setup.. There are minor changes in the cable which prevents the fluid from flowing back too fast for the drum brakes.. If u swap with disc brake it will cause brake pressure still being applied to the back disc brakes.. Clarify that with EA first.. Sure they will tell u to change the brake hose for the back too.. Urs ok lah.. MLine, so its the sport rims, 1k with new tires, bargain for the shop.. hehe.. Mine BL steel rims.. If ask them trade in for 1k they will take it and throw on my head got lah.. biggrin.gif

Eh can help me one thing ah.. When u go trade in ur ori rims and tire pls timbang and see how heavy is the rims+tires. and also timbang ur new rims without tires and with tires.. I want to see will it add more weight than existing rims..
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 02:25 AM)
Erm but then u shd know 1.3master brake pump are tuned for front disc back drum setup.. There are minor changes in the cable which prevents the fluid from flowing back too fast for the drum brakes.. If u swap with disc brake it will cause brake pressure still being applied to the back disc brakes.. Clarify that with EA first.. Sure they will tell u to change the brake hose for the back too.. Urs ok lah.. MLine, so its the sport rims, 1k with new tires, bargain for the shop.. hehe.. Mine BL steel rims.. If ask them trade in for 1k they will take it and throw on my head got lah..  biggrin.gif

Eh can help me one thing ah.. When u go trade in ur ori rims and tire pls timbang and see how heavy is the rims+tires. and also timbang ur new rims without tires and with tires.. I want to see will it add more weight than existing rims..
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Eh sorry... I forgot to mention that RM 600 is for changing them rotors + pads for front only.. So no modifications needed, back left stock.. But I'm not sure how much it will improve the current brake system.. Yeah, need to change servo if modifying the rear to disc.. I've checked, the rear set of disc brakes from original persona/gen2 = 1.1k shocking.gif

Sure, I'm interested to know too. But my friend did once if im not mistaken, it's around 7.5-8 kg plus for rims alone. Gotta rectify this by weighing my own rims biggrin.gif
17" rims... I'm dying for it drool.gif
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 02:32 AM)
Eh sorry... I forgot to mention that RM 600 is for changing them rotors + pads for front only.. So no modifications needed, back left stock.. But I'm not sure how much it will improve the current brake system.. Yeah, need to change servo if modifying the rear to disc.. I've checked, the rear set of disc brakes from original persona/gen2 = 1.1k  shocking.gif

Sure, I'm interested to know too. But my friend did once if im not mistaken, it's around 7.5-8 kg plus for rims alone. Gotta rectify this by weighing my own rims  biggrin.gif
17" rims... I'm dying for it  drool.gif
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Seriously.. WHATS THE USE/BENEFIT? RM600 for that.. Not much difference lah.. I thought u wanted to change rear brakes.. Better off getting Racing pads (650-850degrees) which can withstand high temperatures.. Guarantee going down from Genting full brake also no problem.. U change the brake disc but u nvr change the brake pistons it wont help in braking power lah.. Maybe ur disc can last longer before brake fade sets in, on normal non mountainous road it would be very very unlikely for brake fade to occur.. If u e-brake from 200-0kmh then probably it will fade lah, but before that u will be under some trailer ady.. tongue.gif

2pot brake with cross drilled disc and 4pot brake with solid ventilated disc with high temp brake pads, the latter wins lah.. Unless u are that type that brake super hard kaw kaw everytime u slow down then cross drilled would be useful lah.. But by that time u will be dead ady due to no ABS and ur tire locking up and loss of control cause of the super hard braking..

Erm and when u go to COSE tmr can u ask the technicians there whether can retrofit ABS and driver airbag into BLine PE or not.. Interested to know..

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 03:01 AM)
Seriously.. WHATS THE USE/BENEFIT? RM600 for that.. Not much difference lah.. I thought u wanted to change rear brakes.. Better off getting Racing pads (650-850degrees) which can withstand high temperatures.. Guarantee going down from Genting full brake also no problem.. U change the brake disc but u nvr change the brake pistons it wont help in braking power lah.. Maybe ur disc can last longer before brake fade sets in, on normal non mountainous road it would be very very unlikely for brake fade to occur.. If u e-brake from 200-0kmh then probably it will fade lah, but before that u will be under some trailer ady..  tongue.gif

2pot brake with cross drilled disc and 4pot brake with solid ventilated disc with high temp brake pads, the latter wins lah.. Unless u are that type that brake super hard kaw kaw everytime u slow down then cross drilled would be useful lah.. But by that time u will be dead ady due to no ABS and ur tire locking up and loss of control cause of the super hard braking..

Erm and when u go to COSE tmr can u ask the technicians there whether can retrofit ABS and driver airbag into BLine PE or not.. Interested to know..
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U'd be surprised.. It might seem like a no-brainer, but it truly makes a lot of difference.. MyVivian last time also used this method... Brakes makan kaw kaw.. I don't know la, but maybe cos the brakes suits my driving style.. hmm.gif RM 600 for both brake rotors & 650 CC brake pads, I think it's worth it.. The way I drive, my brake pads usually go dead in just a few months.. And my rotors always bengkok wan.. sweat.gif E=brake from 200-0? Dude.. 150 also I saw my future d... How to drive 200? laugh.gif

LoL? Sure, I'll try to ask.. Leaving now, haha.. TTYL.
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what is the reasonable price for bendix titanium metal king? thinking to upgrade the brake pad.
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110HP - 20% transmission lost (AUTO), should be around 88HP.

btw,
how much for the DYNO Run? 3run ?
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 01:52 AM)
Yeah my car Only 1mth4days old.. run 2700+km ady..70+ whp???!!! Damn wei... If like that straight i give this car to my mom and get another car ady.. No use trying to mod and bring up figures from so much of transmission power loss..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wahahaha so fast you lost the love for your car bro tongue.gif
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 07:26 AM)
U'd be surprised.. It might seem like a no-brainer, but it truly makes a lot of difference.. MyVivian last time also used this method... Brakes makan kaw kaw.. I don't know la, but maybe cos  the brakes suits my driving style.. hmm.gif RM 600 for both brake rotors & 650 CC brake pads, I think it's worth it.. The way I drive, my brake pads usually go dead in just a few months.. And my rotors always bengkok wan..  sweat.gif  E=brake from 200-0? Dude.. 150 also I saw my future d... How to drive 200?  laugh.gif

LoL? Sure, I'll try to ask.. Leaving now, haha.. TTYL.
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OK after u upgrade then we test 0-200-0 on MIEX highway.. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Dec 6 2010, 09:56 AM)
what is the reasonable price for bendix titanium metal king? thinking to upgrade the brake pad.
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The last time i search the cheapest was RM100 a pair for front.. can get from forumer airline. (I didnt buy from him though)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=678707

QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Dec 6 2010, 10:14 AM)
110HP - 20% transmission lost (AUTO), should be around 88HP.

btw,
how much for the DYNO Run? 3run ?
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For satria club members RM50.. For us RM60 lah.. I think 3runs lah.. Cos normally all 3runs.. If u want to come togetherthen i try nego with them.. tongue.gif
I will be getting erictoh to install his VS+GC there b4 and after run to see for any improvements.

QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Dec 6 2010, 10:18 AM)
Wahahaha so fast you lost the love for your car bro tongue.gif
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Hehehee.. Still love my car a lot.. It serves me well.. My first car somemore.. hehe.. Sure will take care of it like my first wife.. whistling.gif whistling.gif Till i get my 2nd one... rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 10:40 AM)
OK after u upgrade then we test 0-200-0 on MIEX highway..  thumbup.gif
The last time i search the cheapest was RM100 a pair for front.. can get from forumer airline. (I didnt buy from him though)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=678707
For satria club members RM50.. For us RM60 lah.. I think 3runs lah.. Cos normally all 3runs.. If u want to come togetherthen i try nego with them..  tongue.gif
I will be getting erictoh to install his VS+GC there b4 and after run to see for any improvements.
Hehehee.. Still love my car a lot.. It serves me well.. My first car somemore.. hehe.. Sure will take care of it like my first wife..  whistling.gif  whistling.gif Till i get my 2nd one...  rolleyes.gif
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Do post the result of ur dyno run... especailly before and after installing eric's VS+GC.. so far no one posted any dyno run result on this VS+GC yet...
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QUOTE(khtee @ Dec 6 2010, 10:49 AM)
Do post the result of ur dyno run... especailly before and after installing eric's VS+GC.. so far no one posted any dyno run result on this VS+GC yet...
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Yeah sure.. Thats what me and erictioh have arranged previously.. XDD Free advertisement for him..
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QUOTE(xandras @ Dec 6 2010, 01:33 AM)
LoL. Ok.. Anyway, even if they do not have time to attend to me, I'll just make an appointment on the spot for another day, & they can just get the parts ready for me & change it later...XD
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what is the process to make appointment at CoSE?

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Dec 6 2010, 10:40 AM)
OK after u upgrade then we test 0-200-0 on MIEX highway..  thumbup.gif
The last time i search the cheapest was RM100 a pair for front.. can get from forumer airline. (I didnt buy from him though)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=678707
For satria club members RM50.. For us RM60 lah.. I think 3runs lah.. Cos normally all 3runs.. If u want to come togetherthen i try nego with them..  tongue.gif
I will be getting erictoh to install his VS+GC there b4 and after run to see for any improvements.
Hehehee.. Still love my car a lot.. It serves me well.. My first car somemore.. hehe.. Sure will take care of it like my first wife..  whistling.gif  whistling.gif Till i get my 2nd one...  rolleyes.gif
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what about full set, front and rear?

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Dec 6 2010, 11:48 AM)
what is the process to make appointment at CoSE?
Just call them ... that's it smile.gif
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