Just came back from CoSE. Apparently their schedule is full for walk-ins today, and I blame the accident at KM 50 Kesas for causing me to be late. Anyway, I was able to make an appointment there for this Wednesday, and the reception guy said that they'll check and fix all probs on Wednesday itself. Sweet.

Mesmerized by all the Lotus there tho o.o

One thing is, I'm quite impressed with the service and agree with the reception guy; I told him about my car problems and how the mechanics at PEKELILING SERVICE CENTRE handled them. They said that they've already solved the problem but the noises are still there, and they claimed that it would take up to 2 months to order a set of steering pipe/orifice valve. 2 months?? Seriously?? The receptionist at CoSE told me that it's ridiculous, & that they're just lazy. They didn't fix the noise problems and all because they're lazy, and because they think that they're protected by a statement in Page 13 of the Warranty/Service booklet, 4.1.10 "Slight irregularities not recognized as affecting quality or function of the vehicle or part, functional phenomena", No. 2 - Slight noise or negligible vibration affecting vehicle operation or function of components.

Slight? Hello, the door panel on the rear right passenger seat sounds like it's about to come off whenever I go over bumps. How is that slight?

Pekeliling SC mechanic: "Oh, itu bunyi biasa la. Kita tak boleh repair. Bukan under warranty. Bukak volume radio tinggi sikit tak dengar lah tu. Sikit je."

And in 4.1.10 - "Any changes occuring with time under normal use of the vehicle....."

My car only 1 week old leh. And I detected the sound 4 days after getting my car.

Screw them Authorised SC. I'm gonna service my car at CoSE after this. No more outside Authorised SC. I rather pay extra to get the job done, if there's any additional charges.

Front is RM100 per pair, if ur rear is disc brake also then RM90 for the rear pair.. If drum i dont know lah.. Gotta get other brands.

Nvr ask them can retrofit ABS and airbag? I forgot to ask the last time i went..

Bro u shd try Serdang SC for standard lube service.. Very good recommendation too.. And thats the reason i like CoSE too.. Very near my house.. And the technicians seems very well trained.. Can answer all my questions and very friendly too.. My parts they say will at least take 1.5mths to arrive.. Ordered on 18th november on my first service..

And please take pics of the problem areas when they open up the door to fix it.. So i can post it up on the first post. THanks!

I asked them.. They said it's possible.. But then they ask me back "If wan retrofit airbag & ABS why didn't just get H-Line? U get leather seats, sport rims, front back disc brakes & double airbags too." I really that time. LoL. But it makes sense. The cost for retrofitting airbag & ABS is more or less about the same as the price difference between B-line & H-Line. And retrofitting will void warranty for the brakes, and you have to change the steering wheel cos B-line steering wheel cannot fit airbag.

I know, but I'm not sure Serdang where. I will take pics, of cos. Useful to forummers here

http://worldcarcare.com.my/contact.html

plan to done my 30k service tomorrow, any buddy wanna follow

Haha.. I went for H-Line initially.. But then what happened was i cocked up in the bank loan process.. Maybank only approved 37500 for me..
Then my mom help me go cari cable.. Then found one fella in CIMB, he can help me approve higher amount of loan, but too bad since i went to maybank first, the 37500 loan has ady been entered into the centralised system. Thats y he cant help me get Hline full loan.. He can only adjust to help me get full loan for BLine lah..
Im still a student, where got money to topup the 10k for Hline, and paiseh want to ask my parents somemore, so i just took Bline lah.. Cheaper mthly repayment also, so at least i dont need so stress to work hard to cover for it.

Why i think it should be cheaper to retrofit is due to the new 32bit ECU will have the necessary module all integrated for the airbag and ABS, they just deactivate it only.. Unlike 16bit relay system where there is another separate unit installed for ABS controls.

Yea, but I think the cost is not from the ECU tho. It's from the airbag & ABS itself..

Wah, how old are u? Student already can afford H-line? Mine was also because of the loan prob.. Darn PubIc Bank, 9 years x 4%... Damn shiong...

i also think it might cost alot to retrofit....since

There are four main components to an ABS system:
Speed sensors
Valves
Pump
Controller


i am guessing each of this component could easily cost alot?

and if were to do so.. perhaps ya u r right... better ask PESC to do it .. if they allow it... only they might have the right firmware for the communication between the abs module and the ecu

Last time my airbag deployed in my Myvi, it cost 7k to fit another new one. How much do you think the Proton's airbag would cost?

22 only.. Got lah i do a lot of part time work and investment.. hehe.. mine 9yrs @4% too.. Cant reduce the interest cos it mostly fixed interbank due to the poor resale value of Proton.

Yeah it would cost quite a lot.. So im just trying to get a quotation first.. if around 4k then i think it would be a sound investment.. But the prob is ABS doesnt work with drum brakes.. So its either i have 2 front tires with ABS or change back brakes to disc to have 4tires ABS.. Get the parts from kereta potong shop.. Those condemned Proton Persona sure can get cheap cheap loh.

err vios... rear wheel are on drum brakes... they ABS..EBD.. and even BA !! i think drum brake too can have abs.. is a matter of configuration

ABS doesn't work with drum brakes? If I not mistaken I've seen my Myvi's rear brake locking & unlocking very rapidly when my friend drove it.. Test brakes Just do the same style as Myvi lah.. Front ABS.. Enough d la.. Condemned Proton? LoL.. Must see what's the reason the car is condemned first... I'm sure you won't wanna spend your cheese on a set of brakes that failed to save it's previous owner, rite?

Yes bro.. But no matter how much it cost, the money spent is nothing compared to your own life.. That's why I opted for ML.. Altho no ABS but I can still have that chance of survival if I ever get into an accident.. Touchwood. Been through that once, never want it to repeat again

planning to upgrade on below items:
1. spark plug
2. air filter

any idea?

Denso Iridium XD

K&N drop-in o.o This is wear & tear rite? I don't think it would void the warranty, tho I wouldn't guarantee. Hey, it rhymes!

haha i too think shouldnt void warantty
but i did some maths... somehow .. dont think they are worth the money despite they last longer and give a lil bit more better performance... but again this is my own opinion...haha

No bros.. It doesnt.. Vios only comes with front disc brake ABS.. The main reason it doesnt work ABS doesnt work with drums are due to the ABS works on the threshold braking concept (not sure if thats what it call, read it up somewhere). Threshold braking is applying just enough of brake force that prevents the wheel from locking up yet at the same time the most amount of brake force. Thats y u can feel ABS system working when the shudder in the tires due to losing and regaining traction on wet surface amplifies the effect of the hold and release of the ABS.

in Persona with front disc and back drum brakes, there is a brake proportioning valve and metering valve that prevents the same amount of brake force in the front and back wheel as the threshold for drum brake lockup is very low.. Example if disc brake lock up threshold is 3:1, drum is 1.5:1, so if there is no restriction of brake force, when the brake pump multiplies ur brake force to 2:1, ur front disc still wont lock but ur back tire will lock up.. To install ABS for 4tires u have to remove the proportioning valve and metering valve so that the ABS can get the correct wheel speed and brake pressure reading, but then the ABS would be defeated due to the different acceleration and deceleration speed of the wheel in the front and back, so it cant compare the data and making it useless..


K&N so expensive.. Get Works Engineering Simota filters.. Licensed from Simota.. Cheapest can get RM140 only..

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Dec 6 2010, 03:18 PM

The spark plugs, yes, you might find a difference and worth. Easier to start engine, accelerator feels lighter & more sensitive. The drop in air filter, on the other hand.. It's washable, and it's much better than the original Proton's air filter, IMHO. I'm sure you've read threads here about how some Persona's air filter got bent, probably due to heat, and allowed unfiltered air into the engine. It's really not good.

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Added on December 6, 2010, 3:22 pmThe last time I got K&N original for RM 120 wor.. Dealer's price, bought in bulk with 20-30+ other Myvians

O.o I see I see.... Hah.. Now I've got all the power under the hood to tapau Vios yet I don't dare cos no ABS. LoL. Life more precious lah. Last time always cry Myvi kena tapau by Vios. Now get to tapau Vios a few times also cry cos scared die. =.= But no ABS fun leh... Can slide here slide there

This post has been edited by xandras: Dec 6 2010, 03:22 PM

Get UTR Stainless Steel filter lo. Cheaper than K & N and no need chemical wash. i think Around RM 200 ++

Bulk 20-30+ ppl of cos can get that cheap lah.. Now K&N filter for persona RM220 ... KNS so expensive... And simota has better reputation than K&N though.. hehehe.. Now still can tapau Vios, i tapau them a few times ady.. No ABS also can, just need balls the size of jackfruits..

Bro are you sure? ABS is installed even in trucks in US.. with rear drum brakes... wouldnt it defeat the purpose if the back tires were to lockup despite the front doesnt?

but i do think ya. if u were to get them.. get them with all 4 disc brakes.... since i dont think there is any proton with ABS that doesnt have 4 disc brakes... not worth the risk to try get the correct configuration without 4 disc ...hehe "hopefully proton did.. do proper RnD on their brake system.. or at least paid some company to do for them"

I think they have special system for the trucks lah.. But Proton as u said where got ABS without 4 disc brakes.. I would trust my life on Proton doing proper R&D so far loh.. We are more like white mouse for them to experiment as PE are the first batch with the new ECU blah blah.. ABS is to help in ur emergency braking, not premature retardness driving style... Driving like those KNN MCB wannabe on the road still will die in the end.. See how many Myvi and Vios with ABS still have so terrible accidents..

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Dec 6 2010, 03:52 PM