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post Nov 22 2010, 09:53 AM, updated 15y ago

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LYN Official Proton Persona Owners Club and support thread V10

A new year, a new beginning, a new facelift!
End 2010 with a perfect 10 in our V10 thread.

Post #1 - General information about the car
Post #2 - Preventive Service & Maintenance. Common Problems & Solutions
Post #4 - TT Session and Car Mods

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Studio shots of the New Persona Elegance (PE)

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Proton Persona Promotional Video

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Previous Threads V1-V9

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Proudly a Proton Persona Owner

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and still growing rapidly...... flex.gif flex.gif

For those who already took the car, please PM ME or POST in this thread stating that u are a new owner to update you name into the list.


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post Nov 22 2010, 09:57 AM

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Car Service & Preventive Maintenance Schedule and Pricing
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Prices of Proton Parts
Proton Parts Cost

Recommended SC
1)Serdang SC - http://worldcarcare.com.my/WorldCarCare.html
Reasons: Best customer service in all reviews, allows you to bring own lube.

2) CoSE (beside Kesas) - HQ, easy to claim warranty and reflash ECU. Have to make appointment b4 going there. Can bring own Lube

3) Juru SC (Penang) - Can bring own lube.

Unrecommended SC (TRY TO AVOID AT ALL COST!)

1) Trend point - Along Jalan Tun Razak.

Common Problem in Persona
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Tips for Persona car users - TO BE UPDATED
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TT Session No.2
Venue: Williams Corner
Jalan SS26/9 (same row as 7-11)
Taman Mayang Jaya
47301 Petaling Jaya
Date: Sat,15th Jan
Time: 8.30pm sharp.
Google Map coordinate 3.117008,101.604166

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post Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM

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Reserved for Car mods & TT sessions.

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post Nov 22 2010, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 09:58 AM)
Still pumping RON97....Don't know want to change to RON95 or not.
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Time to change. 30sen premium for every litre of ron97 we pour does not justify the extra mileage/performance gain for our car.
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post Nov 22 2010, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 22 2010, 10:25 AM)
You pump RON95?.
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yea. On the first day i got my car itself. To understand whether ur car will have any advantage using ron97 petrol instead of ron95, we first have to get to know whats the difference in characteristics. Ron97 is able to resist engine knock even more than ron95, however the energy content of the fuel is still the same. Exp 1ml of petrol will produce 10joules of energy. To extract the most energy from the fuel, engine compression need to be high, however as our engine are hot, fuel tend to combust on itself when the mixture becomes too hot. Therefore the higher the ron, the higher the combustion temp under compression.
Campro compression ratio is 10:1, honda type-R is 11.7:1. therefore type r are able to produce super high amount of power 111bhp per 1000cc. Whereelse campro is just producing 69bhp per 1000cc.. Type r are able to utilize the ron97 fuel efficiently as it works to the anti knock properties which is the main advantage of ron97. Other than that u wont be able to notice much difference in engine output or efficiency.

QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:28 AM)
congratz ZenGTMM! regarding the v9 post..i thk thr is sum sort of speed cut..cz i cant go beyong 170 or 180 (forgot d) when it is set auto cruise~ lol..anyhw..all play safe la..i hv train to be light leg..cz wan save fuel lol..top speed 180 =)
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having speed cut also better lah. If not fc will kill u before the speed kills you. Hahaha. Engine sound at 190km/h is surprisingly low for me. The sound isnt any much difference than speed at 140-160.. And my radio was turned off at that time too.

QUOTE(leozai @ Nov 22 2010, 10:55 AM)
lol.. planning to get a persona soon... waiting jan 2011... but still considering get used H-line / new elegance H-line... still comparing da different... coz price about 20k different>.<"
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new is always better. Hehehe..

Added on November 22, 2010, 2:18 pmGot new car with campro iafm engine somemore, its very difficult to resist the urge to speed. I have the need for speed. tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2010, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 06:39 PM)
anynone experience sound when getting butt in or out of the car..sounds like gt some parts loose di..or i weight too much?? lol..hw to solve it..help..my tires all well pumped..izit sth to do with dry out absorber or undercarriage stuff??
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Maybe try pulling ur handbrake higher.. Is it the krrrkkk sound coming from the wheel like that? Its actually the sound of the brake slipping a bit..
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 09:40 PM)
wow..reali no sound le..swt..persona handbrake has to pull very high lo..thou i adi ask sc to tighten it..sigh~

another prob..anyone exp right hand side of dashboard rattling sound (around the lubang like aircond lubang thr) when reving high..
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QUOTE(lhongwuh @ Nov 22 2010, 09:55 PM)
dashboard rattling sound  is normal...i usually just give it a slap~ tongue.gif
Now only right hand got sound? left hand side will join in soon  sweat.gif
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Well actually the handbrake is mechanically linked to the rear brakes only. sweat.gif So if u pull ur handbrakes only the back brake will work.. Not the front.. (Very good for drifting!!!) Since the back is brake shoe only.. It will be softer lah.. So need to pull higher..

Dashboard rattling sound is actually due to no insulation between the screw and the dashboard. So when rattling the screw will loosen a bit. I will post some pics later on how i DIY it to eliminate rattling lah.. So far so good.. hehe..
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:17 PM)
lol..nice! fast post lo! haha..fyi..my car drifted twice (perform what is oversteer) by my fren last time..tires damage 99 lo n rubber smell..haha..
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PE actually comes with stock 13mm Anti-roll bar.. So thats y the car can corner beautifully with just a touch of understeer.. Even inspira is tuned for more understeer than PE.. Lotus magic in the working.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Have to open back my dashboard again lah.. So must wait for weekends when I got no classes that time i post it up..
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:24 PM)
oo..nw oni i kno PE gt anti roll bar wo..if wan chg UR anti roll bar then mz take out lo? means no lotus ride le at the mean time..m i rite? kk..take ur time..i gt finals tmr..> <
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Aftermarket bars like UltraRacing also starts at 16mm to 19mm and 23mm.. Dont go too thick lah.. 16mm more than enuf to induce quite a lot of oversteer.. 23mm i think can tear ur suspension right out under hard cornering.. Lotus tuned is mostly tune the suspension rebound and spring rate only. But if changed to aftermarket shocks than the tuning will be messed up ady and no more Lotus..
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post Nov 22 2010, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 22 2010, 10:33 PM)
hm..i got u..thx 4 explaining o..lol..wil like to instal 1 3 point front bar..bt stil saving money =D
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Ur welcome.. Better get 2 point front bar.. If 3 point then later ur dashboard going to vibrate more with the extra vibration from the engine.. biggrin.gif
Bro u said u are having exams tmr? Good luck wei.. Cheat smartly. tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2010, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(armadasaxon @ Nov 22 2010, 10:48 PM)
PE take croner quite good la..always do a fast corner confidently bcoz of the lotus tuning smile.gif..

Lucky my PE not 2 years but 5 years warranty.

I heard ron97 is best for those performace car la .

U guys pay banyak for lotus tuning,den u go buy strut bar,wont it upset the tuning?...nampak canggih oni,but i think the few mm count or not u oso tak tau..unless u alwiz drifting..hehe
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Struts wont upset the tuning right? It just actually prevents flexing of the suspension tower.. But then yeah struts is more of a placebo effects.. Best effects still better use ARB and sound deadening materials. Most perceivable effect at most of the time and bang for the buck too.

I planning to change to hi-comp pistons maybe 1 year down the road.. Get more power!!! hehe.. Can increase low end torque a lot.. Maybe can fight with Vtec engine.. hehe..
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post Nov 23 2010, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 23 2010, 12:03 AM)
u wan low end torque can get adjustable cam pulley..tune to advanced abit..or LCP..or chg exhaust la lol! piston inside de y one chg o..beter u chg whole engine?
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LOL bro.. All that considered ady.. Part of the package.. Change piston very cheap lah.. I not going to get those forged heads ROSS pistons (RM2.4k rclxub.gif ).. Can get S4PE piston head and plug and play into S4PH engine.. Use back 1.6conrod of current engine.. The S4PE piston head bulges out a bit.. So it will increase compression from 10:1 to at least 11:1 or higher.. Not sure because i hvnt done any measurements yet. S4PH cam lift is 5.8mm. So if change piston ady cannot install hi-cam if not engine sure gone case..
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post Nov 23 2010, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(yukogura89 @ Nov 23 2010, 01:53 PM)
wow..very technical explanation..lol > < ya 1 ques..if u chg to higher comp ratio piston..izit u hv to chg pump ron 97? coz 95 is for low comp ratio..if u stil pumping 95 after chg detonation wil occur..rite?
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Ya, if the comp ratio is above 11:1, then most likely have to use ron97. I rmb reading a topic in kereta.info on comparison of different brand of ron95 petrol with video posted. Later when im back home i will post the video with explanation for your understanding.
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post Nov 24 2010, 11:03 PM

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Im contestant number #3 here. Spot my Proton Persona. biggrin.gif

http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/11/f...tailing-by.html

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/car...#post1063322809

The gloss after washing, claying, coating and waxing was superb. I seriously would recommend to all. Products are very cheap too. It takes barely 45mins to wash, clay, opti-seal it and wax. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

The pride of KC's detailing job. His rarest detailing job ever. Porsche Design Edition 1 Cayman.
http://prodetailing.blogspot.com/2010/04/p...on-optimum.html


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post Nov 24 2010, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 24 2010, 11:09 PM)
bro mind to share the cost of all those products.... biggrin.gif and what are the product names...? need them for references smile.gif
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Its called Optimum Polymer Technologies (OPT), http://optimumcarcare.blogspot.com/.

Its really very easy. U know those black car very easy to see the swirl marks? Mine has been totally removed.

All u need to do was wash the car with Optimum No Rinse (ONR), clay the car with ONR as lube, spray opti-seal to prevent scratches, then wax it.
Total package is around rm340 if im not mistaken. I will be getting it next mth. Opti-seal can also be used to repel water like Rain-X. But its much cheaper. rclxms.gif
If u are interested u can just call up KC, he will teach u everything on how to take care of your car, no need to pay anything. Just bring your worst condition car u have in your house to him and he will do a few samples on ur car to prove it. Seeing is believing.

Next mth if we have TT i will try to invite KC over to demo. He is quite busy at the moment and is a bit free only on next mth.

Note: I do not however take responsibility of the temptation for you to purchase the products after you have seen the results.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 24 2010, 11:46 PM)
my ride is a BLACK PERSONA ... so yess.. i hate those swirls.... what is the thing that remove the swirls? well 340 is still quite costly man..
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The opti-seal removes the swirls perfectly. RM340 is the whole package lah.. If u only take those stuff to wash the exterior of the car then i think 250++ only.
the rm250 comes with a ONR to wash ur car around 32times, opti-seal that can coat ur car up to 40times, and car wax. For me i think its reasonable lah.. Cos its so easy to apply. All the products i stated above can create this effect.
http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/04/l...che-design.html

Better than sending ur car to car wash and wax. thumbup.gif

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post Nov 25 2010, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 01:07 AM)
anywhere i can get a breakdown of the prices for each item?
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Not too sure about it lah.. Maybe u can call KC up to chat with him..
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post Nov 25 2010, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(oldskool AE @ Nov 25 2010, 09:12 AM)
I also had purchased those ONR product few weeks ago before i receive my car.

After reading KC blog I'll never send my ride to roadside car wash. If u go thru his blog u can see the damage done by those so call cheap car wash.

I can list price for some of the product

ONR wash = rm85 (free 3 micro fibre towel)
OCWax = rm75 (free 2 micro fibre towel)
Optiseal = rm 125
great seller he teach me how to use it when i buy the stuff.

ZenGTMM do u personally know KC?
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Nope.. I call him up after I read his post in ZTH while i was searching for polish and wax kit.


QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:17 AM)
Wah quite costly. I read KC blog also. Then i wash and wax  my car myself  by hand & follow his step. I do still get some swirls but very minimal. I only use cheap wax like Kit, Black Magic , Soft 99 Fusso Coat. (Maybe is because my mom sometimes wipe my car in the morning cause it)

I am interested in the PowerClean and the Opti Seal Product product. Seem can clean a lot stuff. Very clean.
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Me too Kit and Soft 99 Soft fan too.. rclxms.gif

Since there are a few people interested here.. How bout maybe we do a bulk order from him? Ask for more discounts. tongue.gif
I hvnt found any cheaper sources in ZTH or LYN to date..


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QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Nov 25 2010, 09:24 AM)
Soft99 got 2 type right?

Finding for both but only saw 1 selling.
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I think got many more ady. Got meta clean which im using for my old car. Soft for new car.. I have also seen soft99 super white, super dark/black, metallic, metallic and pearl. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Nov 25 2010, 09:47 AM)
Kit wax dun last long. Soft 99  Fusso Coat last longer.
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Ya agree. The last time my family car, the kit wax like after 3weeks then totally gone ady.. Cant feel the smoothness and water beading at all.. After change to Soft99 can last a bit longer lah.. around 1mth+ like that..

QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Nov 25 2010, 12:53 PM)
Bro you wash and wax the car by your own aaa? You damn sayang your car man... respect notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(khtee @ Nov 25 2010, 01:07 PM)
i think some of us do !! is good time spent on a weekend smile.gif is just like exercising tongue.gif and saves alot of money ... unless u get those expensive stuff.. i doubt outside car wash....those below rm15 will use anything expensive on our car.. smile.gif
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Ya wei.. I dont like sending my car for car wash.. Main hentam only and not clean too. Now stay in condo ady so have to sent to car wash lah.. But then with ONR.. Bye bye to car wash. icon_rolleyes.gif

Added on November 25, 2010, 7:22 pmOk here is a RON95 fuel comparison done by kereta.info.

http://kereta.info/differences-of-ron-95-p...tex-esso-mobil/

First we need to clear the basic question. Whats the difference between RON95 and RON97?
The only difference is RON97 can resist knock more better than RON95. That means it can enable ur engine to produce more power IF YOUR ENGINE IS RUNNING MID TO HIGH COMPRESSION (eg 10.5:1 and above) Then the anti-knock properties in the petrol will be used to its advantage. However if ur engine is low comp, 9.5:1 and below.. U would actually feel a lost of power in your car due to the slower combustion nature of the petrol.

As we can see from the videos,
Shell claims lower friction, Petronas claims more power, Caltex claims it has Techron, BHP claims they threw every single shit they can get inside and Esso/Mobil claims all of the above.. So whose bullcrap do we buy?

From the video. Petronas Ron95 burns the longest. This is consistent with Ron97 petrol where the combustion is slightly slower and more stable to enable high comp engine to compress the mixture further b4 it ignites it. As for BHP having the largest flame and Esso,Mobil and Caltex burns the fastest, this is more suitable for low to mid comp engines as the combustion chamber when the piston is at TDC is larger than hi-comp engines. Therefore the more rapid the expansion of gas in the chamber will result in more horsepower and torque. esso,mobil and caltex burns the fastest, which means maximum amount of torque is created as early as possible, causing the highest combustion chamber pressure to push the pistons down as fast as possible.

Ignition timing is always slightly before TDC. This is because when a mixtures is combusted, it constricts first b4 it expands. Therefore as a mixture is ignited slightly before TDC, the mixture will constrict, causing lesser pressure as the piston moves up and when the pistons move past its TDC, the mixture is timed just nice to expand at the same moment. MAX efficiency, MAX torque.

Have you heard of engine knock?
One way of overcoming engine knock is to allow the fuel to be ignited later in the compression stroke, this means having less ignition advance. If the fuel is ignited later, then the pressures above the piston will be less during the early stages of the power stroke. This results in engine knock being removed.

Therefore for Campro engines with 10:1 compression ratio, the best fuel would be Esso/Mobil/Caltex, as Campro compression is not high nor too low. We are placed at the 'sweet' spot to prevent engine knock if RON95 is used, but also not much room of advantage if we were to use RON97.



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