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post Jun 8 2005, 11:31 PM, updated 18y ago

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These are pretty old but some of those facts still do apply wink.gif

Reference: Eight Ways To Kill Your HDD (Part 1) http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/ibm_maxtor/3.shtml
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Eight Ways To Kill Your HDD

Overclocking

Overclocking the system per se does not impose a direct threat to the HDD, however, things change once the PCI frequency goes beyond 38 MHz. Some older drives like the IBM Deskstar5 series would simply corrupt all data, some others like the Western Digitals were running fine up to 42 MHz PCI frequency without problems. The same was true for the older Samsung drives, however, those drives had pitiful performance anyway so we won't talk about them. Factors that influence the stability of the drive at higher IDE frequencies are amongst other things the quality and, as silly as it may appear, the installation of the UATA cables used.

Incorrect Orientation of UATA Cables

Before the days of Ultra DMA 33, IDE cables were available in about any form and shape and length. Some ultra-long cables were up to 24 and 27" long and meant to be used in full tower, others had the middle connectors in all kinds of positions. UDMA/33 brought on some more stringent limitations on the cable length and positioning of the middle connector and while the specs still left open the question of which connector had to be used for master or slaves, certain high-speed drives like the WesternDigital WDC22500, WDC24300 or WDC26400 would either not run or else suffer from extremely compromised longevity when hooked up to the center connector as single drive on that particular channel. This phenomenon was as puzzling (after all, there should not be any difference since the same wires are used) as it was consistent between users and chipsets. The main reason why the phenomenon was so counterintuitive was that with shorter cable length, most drives would function better on any overclocked system, so why was it necessary to add trace length and move the drive to the very end of the IDE cable?

The explanation is actually very straightforward and leads directly into the definitions of the current UATA cables. All high-speed data transfer cables need termination at the end of any signal path. In the easiest case, termination is just a resistor to ground that absorbs voltage amplitudes also known as signals. If such a termination is missing at the end of the cable, the signal will bounce back and eventually interfere with any forward-moving signal at any point in between. Any drive, though, will act as a terminator but it should be clear that termination is effective only if it is at the end of the cable and not somewhere in between. The proof was in the pudding, that is, by cutting off the tail of the IDE cable, the same drive would suddenly work on the same middle connector that did not function before. At the time, we thought of it as black magic but I still have my 4" home-made, single drive IDE cables that are working flawlessly.

Ultra ATA cables

Aside from signal reflection, another major problem of the 40 wire cables was the electrical cross-talk between data and command lines. Deterioration of signal integrity because of cross talk increases dramatically with cable length, which is the reason for the twisted pair specifications of CAT-5 Ethernet cables, just to give one example. Electrical cross-talk can successfully be eliminated by inserting shields between the individual data wires and this is exactly the reason why Ultra ATA/66 and higher are using 80 wires since 40 of these wires are tied to ground and act as shields between the signal wires.

In addition, UATA/66 cables always have one connector that, by definition, has to be connected to the mainboard, one connector on the far end that is the master or single drive and one connector that is for the slave device in the middle of the chain. The ratio between the cable segments is one of the factors but the real issue is the fact that only on the blue connector are the shield wires connected to ground. After reading the above, there should be no question regarding the rationale behind this arrangement.

Rounded Cables

Some companies have gotten really cute with the design of what has become known as rounded cables. Depending on the manufacturer, the ribbons are sliced into single or multiple strands and then bundled tightly. In most cases, there should be no problems, however, there have been numerous suspicions on many bulletin boards about rounded cables causing higher coaster rates while burning CDs. Likewise, users of rounded cables appear to suffer from abnormally high failure rates of HDDs. Again, this could be pure coincidence but it is food for thought, at least.

Removable Drive Racks

Aside from the speculations about rounded cables, there are some hard data on removable drive racks. Removable drive racks are casings that can be inserted into a 5.25 drive bay and which hold a HDD inside a casing that can slide in and out the drive bay to lock into a connector in the back of the device. Even though this kind of gizmo does not allow hot swapping of HDDs, it allows removal of a drive at the turn of a key or so the manufacturers claim.

We tested several of these devices with the IBM 60GXP and the unfortunate result was that not a single drive survived in the removable rack for more than a few hours. Symptoms usually started with lagging of the system to go to the Windows splash screen after the POST. This lag continued to get progressively worse over several reboots until the drive finally was no longer recognized at all.

Interestingly, if the drive was removed from the removable racks during the initial stages of errors and hooked up to a standard UATA cable, full functionality was restored immediately. Whenever we waited until the drive was no longer recognized, switching back could not resolve the problems anymore.

A repetition of the above background appears like carrying owls to Athens but imagine an additional interface with rerouting of the signals from the original cable to a snap-in connector and from there through an additional cable inside the "coffin" to the drive. In short, adding three additional interfaces does not appear a good idea. Per se, though, the concept is great, though, only, don't use it with anything faster than a UATA/66 drive.
On the round cable issue, I am using them.. sweat.gif However I always check for qualified and quality ones before buying.. (mine is from CoolerMaster) rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 8 2005, 11:34 PM

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Reference: Eight Ways To Kill Your HDD (Part 2) http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/ibm_maxtor/4.shtml
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TRAS Violation: The Creeping Corruption of a HDD

One of the most common reasons for HDD failure is what is called tRAS violation. tRAS is the minimum bank open time of the DRAM, that is, we are talking about system memory here. Many mainboard manufacturer still include Ultra and Turbo settings in their CMOS setup options that are only workable at 100 MHz memory bus settings, a.k.a PC1600 mode. One setting that has absolutely no impact on performance is the minimum bank open time or tRAS, while the same setting can have catastrophic consequences for data integrity including HDD addressing schemes if the latency is set too short. In theory, tRAS can be as short as tRCD + CAS delay, however, in reality, the minimum bank open time is dictated by the RAS Pulse Width, that is the time required to reach a voltage differential between memory bitlines and reference lines to safely identify a 0 or 1 logical state.

The main reason why tRAS violation does commonly lead to HDD corruption may relate to the translation of the physical memory space into virtual memory sub-spaces by the operating system and finally writing the data back to the storage media but it is not entirely clear what is going on there. A fact is, though, that a tRAS value of 5 is adequate for PC1600 or 100 MHz operation. At 133 Mz or PC2100, tRAS should never undercut 6T, likewise, at PC2700, the value should be increased to 7T where applicable. In terms of performance, tRAS settings hardly make any difference. We challenged some performance gurus at AMD on this matter and they reported a drop in Quake frame rates from 792 fps to 790 fps when increasing tRAS from 5T to 6T.

Tipping Over of Cases

By far the most common damage to drives occurs through mechanical interference. The level of stress depends on the operational state of the drive, that is a drive that is not powered up will withstand some 300 G over 2 msec whereas in a drive that is up and running, 30 G suffice to cause errors and bad sectors. 30 G sounds rather high but any case tipping over and falling on a non-carpeted floor will easily exceed this value. The typical consequence is that the next bootup will terminate with the well known Chrrr, chrrr, chrrr ..... where the splash screen used to be.

Vibrations, Mortal Enemies of HDDs

Less dramatic but likewise common is the drumming on a somewhat fragile desk or bouncing of objects like bouncing balls of computer cases or simply hitting the case with the vacuum cleaner. This kind of scenario can cause vibrations that are the worst possible scenario for any HDD. If a drive can sustain a shock of 30-50G, the tolerance towards vibrations is usually only 1% of the shock tolerance. Typical values are in the order of 0.5-0.7G. It is happening every day. Transporting systems back and forth to LAN parties falls into the same category, in cases like that I always remove the HDD and transport it separately.

Power Outages In The Midst Of Defragmentation

A relatively rare cause of HDD failure is a power outage in the middle of a defragmentation but I have seen it happen and even though the damage is non-permanent in most cases, it may require a low level format which results in complete loss of all data.

HDTach and Similar Benchmark Programs

As nice as these programs are, repetitive use of HDTach and similar utilities add excessive stress to the drive. Even though failure may not occur immediately after benchmarking the drive they can weaken the drive and all it will take is another straw to break the camel's back. All those are factors that should be taken into account when yet another drive gets corrupted or dies. Sometimes it is just not the drive but a user pattern.


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Kinda Scary......

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post Jun 11 2005, 01:42 PM

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damn it these bloomin hardrives are damn fragile man.
strangely my 20GB and 15GB WD hardrives are still doing fine after all these years.
weird.....

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post Jun 11 2005, 02:20 PM

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one definate 'way' that sure kill a hdd is to throw it into water ohmy.gif laugh.gif .. just kidding ya?. yep i agree with lex.

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another definate way is to put a magnet on top of your HDD, i think...
coz inside HDD everything works the "magnetic" way
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post Jun 13 2005, 11:18 AM

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anybody hav any solution for repairing hdd??
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QUOTE(gn01117135 @ Jun 13 2005, 11:18 AM)
anybody hav any solution for repairing hdd??
i need the same thing also...contact me if you know anyone who can repair hdd

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post Jun 14 2005, 08:22 PM

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Actually no, Magnets wont kill it. The HDD is magnetically sealed because it does not want interference and all the magnetic waves going throgh the computer.

P.S another way to spoil ur HDD is open its casing. This enables dust to get in between the contacts and the discs, which ruin the hard drive
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Oh Gosh! I need to open casing since it will be overheat.... sweat.gif What HDD cooler that is good?
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i was asking for quoatation for WD 200gb is it ok?

cause it's says that maxtor kills data biggrin.gif

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Some reading on how HDDs work and typical malfunction detection. wink.gif

Reference: Modern Hard disk drive
http://www.acelab.ru/products/pc-en/articl...nHDD/index.html cool.gif

Note: Some of the articles in there are pretty technical! sweat.gif


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does putting the hdd 90 degree (standing on the side) cases hdd failure?
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what about if always power off and restart the pc without following procedure (just switch off main power).
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sometime i did that we the pc hangs...does that count?

why suiteng? what happened? firmware prob the same as me?
i still can't fix the firmware...so decided to buy a new one instead. maybe i will test to fix it later...
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 22 2005, 07:40 PM)
does putting the hdd 90 degree (standing on the side) cases hdd failure?
I don't see why it should.

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hehe.. i have 5 dead HDD drive we me at the moment.. from 8 GB to 40 GB.

most died because of heat. and one or two most likely during transport.
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how do u know its heat problem? what temp is normal?
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My 80GB HDD just dead last week. Tried to used Maxtor diagnostic tools and and also Hiren Boot CD but didn't work. Luckily got spare 250GB HDD. cry.gif
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can hdd prolongs the lifespan if we always reset the computer ?
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i've just order WD200gb from my dealer instead he gave me a maxtor so i refuse to accept it and ask him to order WD...WD is ATA100 eik?
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For the PATA UDMA-66 Cable, (80 pin) it is not straight between the Master and Slave connectors. One way to verify this is to get two Hard Disk, Set both Jumper to CS mode and plug into the computer. The one that is plug into the Master will act as Master and the one that plug into Slave will remain slave. Your assumption that the two connectors are hooked on parallelly is not true.
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i've just order WD200gb from my dealer instead he gave me a maxtor so i refuse to accept it and ask him to order WD...WD is ATA100 eik?
WD means western digital hard disk,not ATA 100,ATA 100 means the hd transfer speed is 100Mb/sec(teori)

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never used system drive in the removable rack b4.but my 20G hdd still works fine with that rack.just wondering y would anybody use mobile rack for system hdd??
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Just want to know...external hdd that converted from internal Hdd case...Is it worth to use of it in long term usage?

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i using 3.5 external harddisk for my backup and stored movies

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well,my mobile rack/external hdd is used for swapping anime n stuff.itz not used as the system.just makes my life easier sharing files with friends rather than opening the case n install/take out hdd all the time
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don't on it 24 hours? if u work 24 hours a day, u also die
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missing my 160gig hdd... almost every 2 year i facing same problem with the hdd....
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hehe brought a new hardisk recently....200gb...how to make sure that it's does heat up and make it stabilized biggrin.gif this is my precious hardisk lol.... hehe drool.gif
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QUOTE(jahred @ Jul 11 2005, 12:47 PM)
hehe brought a new hardisk recently....200gb...how to make sure that it's does heat up and make it stabilized biggrin.gif this is my precious hardisk lol.... hehe drool.gif
1.buy hdd cooler thumbup.gif . my hdd is hotter than my cpu la... >40c.
2. dont write on the hd 24 hours.. in case u r very eager to fill ur hd wif a lot of stuff from the net laugh.gif
3. dun trust one hd .. u hv to get another hd like me.. 80 gb of ext if anything happen to my 160 gb whistling.gif .. u never cant take anything for granted.

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for me...my hdd always working at 36c-39c...even work more than 6 hours

i put a casing fan under the hdd..air blow towards the hdd

b4 i put that fan...my hdd can reach 50c...scary..

i oso not sure that can i put a fan blow toward hdd like that..dusty??

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how to check hardisk tempreture....my cpu temp is 160/75 something2 like that
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i wanna know also...
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use Speed Fan
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installed speed fan.hdd temperature checked thumbup.gif but what is fan 1,fan 2,fan 3?i know 1 of it is for processor but which 1?all 3 are showing sweat.gif

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Dont know is it related of not, 2 of my hard disk which i install fan on die faster than the one that i din install fan which currently still running smoothly without bad sector after 4years..........so for me i think the magnet from the fan got little bit related to the dead of my hard disk............
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to know which fan in speedfan is which, compare it with ur mobo utility.. i used pc probe (asus) .. and then rename the fan in speedfan with the one in pc probe. just follow the help file step by step n ull be fine smile.gif

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jun 11 2005, 01:42 PM)
damn it these bloomin hardrives are damn fragile man.
strangely my 20GB and 15GB WD hardrives are still doing fine after all these years.
weird.....
things these days are better but definately more fragile...thats why theres a saying "old is gold"

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ya,my maxtor 10gb hdd use 6 years also no problem.......& i have brought another new maxtor 40gb hdd,it seems that the new one hotter than the old 1
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my western digital 40MB still functioning up till now..aint that a record..but no use la 40MB,,maybe now they make hdd lower cost so the lifespan is not that long

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i heard using too much bittorrent will kill harddisk too...is that true?
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QUOTE(devil_x @ Jul 28 2005, 08:51 AM)
i heard using too much bittorrent will kill harddisk too...is that true?
Nopes... Modern HDDs is capable of 20MB/s to 70MB/s transfer rates. Downloading BT doesn't even come close to that speed (e.g. theoretical maximum from ordinary Streamyx connection is 100KB/s). Just make sure the HDD is always kept cool and have a good PSU. An AVR or UPS is recommended also. Do not overclock the PCI bus speed (which affects the IDE bus speed also) for stable operation. wink.gif

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QUOTE(lex @ Jul 29 2005, 11:15 AM)
Nopes... Modern HDDs is capable of 20MB/s to 70MB/s transfer rates. Downloading BT doesn't even come close to that speed (e.g. theoretical maximum from ordinary Streamyx connection is 100KB/s). Just make sure the HDD is always kept cool and have a good PSU. An AVR or UPS is recommended also. Do not overclock the PCI bus speed (which affects the IDE bus speed also) for stable operation. wink.gif
BT will kill hdd faster as from theory coz BT require the owner to send n receive from time to time which every part is require only just few kb only..thus reading n writing in consequences will make hdd die faster. But nowadays BT already use the built in buffer which use RAM as temporary storage n stored data the hdd for a certain of amount.

from my point to prevent hdd from bad sector -> do always full format the drive periodically to maintain the hdd.

to prevent from undetect -> use good psu, coz most of the time the board burn coz of over voltage n dun on off too offten.

on a hdd wif 24/7 will long lasting then on off frequently.

believe o not up to u , cos i repair hdd for few years, experience told me.

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on pc 24/7 prolongs hdd life??that is new info huhuh
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had lost 2 wd harddisk because of static electricity..
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QUOTE(hiroko @ Jul 29 2005, 04:46 PM)
to prevent from undetect -> use good psu, coz most of the time the board burn coz of over voltage n dun on off too offten.
hi... i have a seagate cheetah 17gb scsi hdd. it won't detect. when i plug power into it it won't turn hot. i can't test the hdd here in my house coz i dun have scsi cable. i installed winXP on the other scsi hdd and the system is very stable.

how do you know that this hdd is dead for sure??

power: antec 480W truepower for, Athlom MP 1800+ dual proc, 2x 17gb scsi (using pci adaptec raid, now the hdd suspected dead 1 is with me), tyan tiger mobo, 1gb ecc ram, 2 80gb seagate sata hdd (use adaptec sata pci raid too).

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QUOTE(Kane3013 @ Aug 12 2005, 12:27 AM)
You all still considered lucky...

my Maxtor 20gb hdd went on flames right infront of my eyes  shocking.gif

I so shock I fast close the PC luckily only the hdd died  sweat.gif

(that happened 2 years ago)

after that I didnt buy Maxtor anymore always buy WD only  thumbup.gif

the cause of the fire was the solder on the chip overheat because of excessive dust (closer inspection of the decease was the hdd was choking on dust cause i didnt clean the hdd and I open the case too)

so word of encouragement to you all is CLEAN YOUR PC FROM DUST REGULARLY

it happen to me and could happen to you.
Wow that is... flex.gif BTW i will open up my case once a while to check the dust condition. And i DIY some filter in front of the fan so it wont be too dusty. But some times i wonder what should i use to clean pc components, vacum cleaner? Some say it will damage your hardware with static. Same to brush, unless i have to spend some money to buy compressed air. I read in some article someone actually wash his mobo with water then later make sure its 100% dry before using it sweat.gif So hardcore...

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speed fan... preety good idea...how about using aerogate?
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if u use brush that are made mainly for model colouring then should be ok.. becoz the brush does not give ur pc component a static... may be a small vaccum cleaner for computer will help to reduce the dust in your pc..
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I think BitTorrent do kill HDD. Coz my 120GB HDD juz hit wif SMART Error (bad sector) n unable to run any HDD scanning tools which will let to BSOD or juz hang.

This will be my second casualty (the first one is the 40GB HDD then now this 120 GB less than 1 year HDD, juz send for RMA..... n bought another 160GB HDD.....).

I'm running BT for 24/7 & I believe it kill........... btw I'm using the new HDD while waiting for the RMA unit........ if it strike ... i will post again...

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QUOTE(ambg @ Aug 26 2005, 10:14 AM)
I think BitTorrent do kill HDD. Coz my 120GB HDD juz hit wif SMART Error (bad sector) n unable to run any HDD scanning tools which will let to BSOD or juz hang.

This will be my second casualty (the first one is the 40GB HDD then now this 120 GB less than 1 year HDD, juz send for RMA..... n bought another 160GB HDD.....).

I'm running BT for 24/7 & I believe it kill........... btw I'm using the new HDD while waiting for the RMA unit........ if it strike ... i will post again...
this question is offered to ambg,
i saw ur rig spec n ur mobo can support 2 types of ram
how can u do dat?
ABIT TH-7IIR I850 only can support RD RAM, rite?
pls explain...

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sorry off topic abit
want to know how long is a harddisk life span
and how many time can reformat a harddisk
1000?? 10000??

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hi... i have a seagate cheetah 17gb scsi hdd. it won't detect. when i plug power into it it won't turn hot. i can't test the hdd here in my house coz i dun have scsi cable. i installed winXP on the other scsi hdd and the system is very stable.

how do you know that this hdd is dead for sure??

power: antec 480W truepower for, Athlom MP 1800+ dual proc, 2x 17gb scsi (using pci adaptec raid, now the hdd suspected dead 1 is with me), tyan tiger mobo, 1gb ecc ram, 2 80gb seagate sata hdd (use adaptec sata pci raid too).

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Is that Cheetah a 10,000rpm 73LP or earlier version? Cause, I'm using one here also.. still working and running 24/7 (downloading "stuffs"). Anyway did you check the cables, wheteher it was terminated properly.. Another area to check is the jumpers. rolleyes.gif

If all else fails, remove the drive and examine at HDD controller board. Near the power molex, there are several ferrite beads and "fuses"(those "0" ohm resistors) actually. If you have a multi-meter, check the conductivity. wink.gif

QUOTE(hiroko @ Jul 29 2005, 04:42 PM)
BT will kill hdd faster as from theory coz BT require the owner to send n receive from time to time which every part is require only just few kb only..thus reading n writing in consequences will make hdd die faster. But nowadays BT already use the built in buffer which use RAM as temporary storage n stored data the hdd for a certain of amount.
Compare 100KB/s with 20MB/s, that's only 0.5% of what most HDD is capable of. The HDD is practically hardly moving much either (notice that the HDD LED only blinks once a while). You also forget that the operating system uses some amount of RAM for read-ahead and write-behind caches (i.e. temporary storage). This caches applies to all applications, not only BTs. It works transparently and helps speeds up reading and writing. laugh.gif

Its not true BTs kill HDD faster. Its more of how you maintain the operation of the HDD (while running BTs), as I have said before - cooling and good PSU are recommended. Anyway "some" HDDs aren't suitable for 24/7 operations.. I think you know which ones.. whistling.gif

QUOTE(KiLLer^Boy @ Aug 30 2005, 11:40 AM)
sorry off topic abit
want to know how long is a harddisk life span
and how many time can reformat a harddisk
1000?? 10000??
That depends on how much you used it and on your luck really. Most HDDs should last more than 3 years. Going past 5 years is pretty good lifespan already (by that time newer higher capacity HDDs will be available). Some HDDs are pretty tough.. I still have a Seagate ST351AX 40MB (yes, MB as in MegaBytes) still operational! You can guess how old that one is... Old is gold laugh.gif

You can reformat your HDD as much as you like. 1000 to 10,000 times? I don't think anyone has format the HDD that many times before. blink.gif

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i got another question if hdd get burn or smoke, izit bcoz of power supply or hdd is about to spoilt already?
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i got another question if hdd get burn or smoke, izit bcoz of power supply or hdd is about to spoilt already?
Two things comes in mind.. Either overheating and/or faulty PSU. As for faulty HDD controller board (due to bad design and components), less likely nowadays.. However there was one which is infamous.. the Quantum Fireball series where the spindle motor driver I.C always blow due to lack of fuse and/or unstable PSU voltages. tongue.gif

Note: Faulty PSU can generate higher than normal voltages.. usually parts of the motherboard and CPU aren't affected much because the processor draws its power from an on-board voltage regulator (i.e. stepping down to VCore). wink.gif

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If i told u tat hdd is new n it cal maxtor, do u believe or not? Power Supply tat time attually i dunno is faulty or notlah but it runs fine after 3 month it cannot on.
I use tat power supply nearly kil a new pc tat ppl can buy...hehehe
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sorry off topic abit
want to know how long is a harddisk life span
and how many time can reformat a harddisk
1000?? 10000??
Fake information: Formatting a hard disk too many times will cause it to fail.

Truth : To put it shortly, formatting your hard disk will NOT reduce its lifespan. Yes, formatting is popularly thought to reduce hard disk lifespan but that is nothing more than a myth.

Formatting is NOT a stressful event for the hard disk. The read/write heads do NOT touch the platter surface, so damage to the platter only occurs if there is any shock to the drive during operation. You can format your hard disk 20 times a day, every day and it will not be more likely to fail than any other drive.


Fake information: Formatting the hard disk will stress the needle (head actuator).

Truth: Formatting is done contiguously. This means formatting is done in a serial order, i.e. sector 500, sector 501, sector 502, etc. There is very little movement of the head actuators. Therefore, formatting will not stress the head actuators.

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hmm how can i check if my hdd got bad sector ?
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a simple way:-
- type CHkDSK C: in Command Prompt.
*replace C: with the drive u wish to check. or..

- CHKDSK C: /R
* /R Scan for and attempt Recovery of bad sectors.
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QUOTE(oicicic @ Sep 5 2005, 12:55 AM)
a simple way:-
- type CHkDSK C: in Command Prompt.
*replace C: with the drive u wish to check. or..

- CHKDSK C: /R
* /R Scan for and attempt Recovery of bad sectors.
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umm what msg will show if the disk got bad sector

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something like this: tongue.gif
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For the partiton being using(eg:c/) u cant perform CHKDSK C: /R, u need to [Tick] Check Disk of the particular partiton and it will fix it during the next boot.

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thanks for the info yo dood biggrin.gif

uhh one more question ,, how do i retain the ms-dos window after i check disk ?
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Using parallel HDD cooler fan. coz can block breather hole.
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thank you for a good information!!
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QUOTE(lex @ Aug 30 2005, 04:53 PM)
Is that Cheetah a 10,000rpm 73LP or earlier version? Cause, I'm using one here also.. still working and running 24/7 (downloading "stuffs"). Anyway did you check the cables, wheteher it was terminated properly.. Another area to check is the jumpers.  rolleyes.gif

If all else fails, remove the drive and examine at HDD controller board. Near the power molex, there are several ferrite beads and "fuses"(those "0" ohm resistors) actually. If you have a multi-meter, check the conductivity.  wink.gif
1. no jumpers seen.
2. no problem with the card or cable coz i exchanged everything with the second identical hdd and it works.
3. no heat produced when i attached the hdd to 12v power supply from another comp for 5hr.

no other scsi cable available so can't change cable. compuzone says they dun have scsi stuff to check this hdd but they do sell it if you want it. only MyPC has cash-on-delivery SCSI cable cost rm180 (15 channel with terminal - only choice, no others will fit this hdd)

not sure what model but bought some 3 years ago. athlon t-bred 1800+ that time.

QUOTE(oicicic @ Sep 5 2005, 01:42 PM)
something like this:  tongue.gif

user posted image

For the partiton being using(eg:c/) u cant perform CHKDSK C: /R, u need to [Tick] Check Disk of the particular partiton and it will fix it during the next boot.
no you don't have bad sectors. you have a different problem. in your pic it says 0 kb in bad sectors. smile.gif

QUOTE(fu5ed @ Sep 6 2005, 07:07 PM)
uhh one more question ,, how do i retain the ms-dos window after i check disk ?
you can't retain ms dos after chkdsk if you are checking your OS partition because it only checks on your next boot.

usually this is what i do:
1. go to start>run
2. type 'cmd' and the command prompt pops up.
3. let's say you want to check D drive and C drive is you OS. type D:\ hit enter and then type CHKDSK /F (to fix errors) or CHKDSK /R (to check free space) or CHKDSK /F /R
4. now it will ask you to force a dismount or not. make sure you are not taking anything from that drive and they type 'y'
5. chkdsk will now run in front of you and after that the window stays.

if you check you OS partition and you can't read the report fast enough after the check, when it finish checking and enter windows, go to command prompt, type CHKDSK (read-only mode) and after chkdsk finish you will see the identical report as you missed previously.

if your comp gone cranky and you decided to run chkdsk on all partitions, do not force dismount on non-os partition but schedule them to check after restart. (How can you correct the other partitions when your OS partition is corrupted??) In this case where you schedule C:\ for chkdsk with other non-os partitions, chkdsk will 1st check all partition with C:\ being the last one, and it will restart and check all non-os partition again. in that way it is better.

if you have problem with volume bipmap, free space problem, mft fragmentation, hdd data transfer corruption, please please don't run chkdsk. it will only corrupt it further.

hope this experience of mine help you guys doh.gif doh.gif

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I just lost a 250GB SATA hdd. I only removed it to mount on another PC and it died. Just like that.
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QUOTE(Aborden @ Jun 14 2005, 08:22 PM)
Actually no, Magnets wont kill it. The HDD is magnetically sealed because it does not want interference and all the magnetic waves going throgh the computer.

P.S another way to spoil ur HDD is open its casing. This enables dust to get in between the contacts and the discs, which ruin the hard drive
really? sweat.gif u mean open hdd casing rite? not the sidepanel/case, coz my i've left my case naked eversince i got my new 200G seagate sata tongue.gif

+got a rm15 fan under it...blows the heat i think flex.gif 32/33c normal eh rolleyes.gif

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Inside harddisk also got powerful magnet?? I just saw one before.
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Power Outages In The Midst Of Defragmentation

A relatively rare cause of HDD failure is a power outage in the middle of a defragmentation but I have seen it happen and even though the damage is non-permanent in most cases, it may require a low level format which results in complete loss of all data.


THIS ONE IS TRUE 100% i dah kena once!

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I just cramp my WD 250GB, sad.gif
It ruins my 4th partition (the largest partition backup)

possible damage cause by torrent

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i always vacum my pc coz got alot of dust collecting inside...untill now nothing happens..lol
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you are going to kill your PC with static charges from the vacuum
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i destroyed a hdd by knocking it (coz the transfer was freaking slow) during data transfer using USB to IDE cable.
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I loss 250G of movie and series and I don't know what happend to the harddisk...just bought it last year...damn...
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250gb of movies and series is worth recovering dude... send it to me.. i recover for you for RM300 but must let me keep the movies too tongue.gif
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myself facing the same problem also ... not only *ahem* movie la, some of the movie i buy at video shop also can read. it say that format not supported wor~
but not really all the CD i cant read, jus some....
what to do ???
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i read thru the whole thread. had forgotten wat i actually want to say. but PC was designed to be operated 24/7. so leave the pc on. unless u don't trust TNB at ur area. off ur crt monitor... err just to save electric.
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From my experience, on the side is OK. Some of those branded PCs and some clone PCs have the hard disks mounted on their side. There are other stranger designs that have the hard disk below, beside and above the PSU (I think you can guess which brands)

But running it upside down will cause it to fail very fast.
QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 22 2005, 07:40 PM)
does putting the hdd 90 degree (standing on the side) cases hdd failure?


I definitely don't trust TNB tongue.gif anyway my PC is off most of the time unless I'm using it or waiting for download.
QUOTE(ky_khor @ Nov 21 2005, 01:13 AM)
i read thru the whole thread. had forgotten wat i actually want to say. but PC was designed to be operated 24/7. so leave the pc on. unless u don't trust TNB at ur area. off ur crt monitor... err just to save electric.


USB to IDE cable only ? or is it those external boxes which have a USB cable ?
QUOTE(lwwong @ Nov 12 2005, 02:19 AM)
i destroyed a hdd by knocking it (coz the transfer was freaking slow) during data transfer using USB to IDE cable.


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i think u shouldnt knock a hdd when it's reading or writing.. pretty obvious stuff coz of it's head is pretty close to disk. that's why current notebook got G-protection or something. but i think in no power condition it can stand up to 250G shock.

so DONT knock it when it's spinning no matter how slow they are tongue.gif
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I have experienced one stubborn hard disk that made clack clack sounds. I gave it a few knocks and it restarted. I quickly backed up the data on it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kane3013 @ Aug 12 2005, 12:27 AM)
You all still considered lucky...

my Maxtor 20gb hdd went on flames right infront of my eyes  shocking.gif

I so shock I fast close the PC luckily only the hdd died  sweat.gif

(that happened 2 years ago)

after that I didnt buy Maxtor anymore always buy WD only  thumbup.gif

the cause of the fire was the solder on the chip overheat because of excessive dust (closer inspection of the decease was the hdd was choking on dust cause i didnt clean the hdd and I open the case too)

so word of encouragement to you all is CLEAN YOUR PC FROM DUST REGULARLY

it happen to me and could happen to you.
let me guess......it was a Maxtor FIREBALL?rolleyes.gif i'm using one of them

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hmm good tips bro...thanks for the advice... good one.. scary 2.. thumbup.gif
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i see all of u guys using WD HDD.how about Seagate?is it good as WD?

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dunno about WD,seagate quite good,been using it for about like.....since the pc fair?
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QUOTE(Five_Soul @ Dec 9 2005, 06:20 PM)
i see all of u guys using WD HDD.how about Seagate?is it good as WD?
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i am using seagate barracuda sata 200 & 80 gig... both rosak in less then 5 months use... i sent to RMA... got back.. hope problem don't come back again... wonder what was the problem?
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guys i have a question.

i have an 80g wd that i can't access, it's my main hdd for xp and swap files. if i use stand alone, it would crap out at the welcome screen, show BSOD then restart, everytime. if i use another hdd for xp and boot up from that hdd, it would still BSOD and restart.

i got quite a lot of stuff in there especially in my doc folder cry.gif didn't manage to do backup, only a couple of months ago. any way to recover the data????

thanks for the help

erm, any help guys??? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(project-o @ Nov 21 2005, 08:13 PM)
But running it upside down will cause it to fail very fast.
r u sure? huh.gif i using some upsided-down hdd for quite sometimes and it has nothing happen yet .....

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My Seagate 80Gb just died after 8 months, while the 20GB barracuda is behaving funny. Sometimes working and sometimes not.

No more Seagates for me.

Anyone know of any seagate hd recovery service?
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QUOTE(jslut @ Dec 11 2005, 06:16 PM)
guys i have a question.

i have an 80g wd that i can't access, it's my main hdd for xp and swap files. if i use stand alone, it would crap out at the welcome screen, show BSOD then restart, everytime. if i use another hdd for xp and boot up from that hdd, it would still BSOD and restart.

i got quite a lot of stuff in there especially in my doc folder cry.gif didn't manage to do backup, only a couple of months ago. any way to recover the data????

thanks for the help
Sounds like your partition table, bro. Haven't encountered it before. Maybe you could use linux and try to retrieve your files? Some of them, anyways. Keep ya fingers crossed.

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personal experiences.

heat is most common killer. when you leave your hard disk running non stop or lousy cooling. the life span is shorten. i don't trust HDD cooler. reason is they blow air from beneath the hard disk. so in the case where you have another which happens to be under it. the heat dissipate from the hard disk below is blown to the other hard disk. so not efficient. 2nd hard disk coolers are easy to get clogg with dust. this result in reduction of fan efficiency and not to mention cooling as your PCB board in the hard disk is also layered with dust. some HDD cooler fan will generate heat if the fan is clog. yes.. experienced b4. seems that the bearing/ sleeve of the fan got jam and the rotation isn't smooth.

i cool all my hard disk in a perpendicular position. means fill all the hard disk in the rack. then blow it from the side. ofcourse a high pressure fan is required. in my case i choose nidec beta V triblade 120mm. just place it on the side. it'll mount perfectly. air is blown along the board the the heat is extracted out to the other side. this method also reduces dust. compared with a hard disk cooler la. the coolest temp i encounter was 21 degrees stable and 36 degrees max for wd la. cause you all know WD hard disk are hot.

statics also kills faster.. so clean your hard disk out of dust reach.

Full load on hard disk also posses threat to the hard disk. my personal experience and my friends was. we had a large community LAN. some of the ppl who does Fserv suffers HD live span shortage. reason was the Fserv was run at a long period 24/7. our transfer rate average was like 2mb and max 5 mb per client in LAN. the services is non stop. so the hard disk is working all the time.. reading and writing. this result in wear and tear. some suffers data corruption in 6 months. some even worse. cannot even detect boot or format. conclusion is, 24/7 running doesn't prolong the hard disk. its how its been used. all hard disk can be run 24/7. the hard disk inmy pc have been running 24/7 most off the time for the pass few years. just that i don't over load it with too much work.

regarding the rounded cables and old ide cables. i can also confirm its true. it all depends on luck whether you get a fault free cables or not.

dropping a hard disk while its on or write will also cause it to fault easily. don't really know the terms but some called it head crash.

i had a friend who short circuited his hard disk. dunno.. i think he sleeved his psu then sambung the molex back in a incorrect port hole. cause you know la.. got 2 cables in black. confusing.

i just burnt my quantum last week. cabut then pasang on another pc which i bought a new psu. the freaking psu supplies improper power. result in burnt HD. damn.

opening hard disk will also kill
place it in a freezer will also kill ( saw someone post it just now)


i noticed that some of you said that the hard disk is magnetic shielded. so. that means magnets from out side will not intefere with the hard disk? also i saw saome thread stating that positioning the hard disk on an opposite direction will counter some magnetic movement and thus increase life span of hard disk. its like so long ago la. dunno urban legend or not

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vervain, interesting post you have there. I have been experiencing a lot of crashes with the large sized Hdds.

Currently using WDD 160Gb and I leave my comp on almost 16 hours a day with no air-con but about 4 fans everywhere. Perhaps my ventilation wasn't done properly.

Anyway, the hard disc failed last nite after my power saver kicked in and I wasn't able to get out of the power saver. I reset the thing and the hard disc started to make ticking noises. I turned it off and only turned it back on after 15 minutes and it started working normally.

Is this a problem or something? My last Maxtor 160Gb (apparently this has a bad rep) crashed spectacularly when it was left on for 72hours straight. Record time crashing.

Why are these large hdd's so sensitive? Is there some sort of special care I should be taking care of?

Can you show a picture of this hdd cooler you have fabricated? I am very worried my WD will fail me soon.
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i also have the same problem with maxtor's 160GB HDD...my last unit lasted me only 8 months...that time i dun have internet connection so my com is on for about 8 hours per day only...mainly for LAN gaming and movie...i never plug the HDD out, never strip it naked, had a voltage regulator and a table fan blowing into my com to keep it cool...wonder what went wrong? anyone here know what's the reason for my HDD to break down?

i had 4 partition and the 1st three partition had problems (can't do back-up wat so ever) and that alone made me lose my 2 years worth of work and portfolio...and the last one had problem accessing it...

went and claimed the warranty and still using that model...but this time with a WD 80GB HDD as back up...from now on, i'll avoid maxtor at all cost...

btw, do i have to change a new PSU if i were to put in a few more HDD into my system? i'm currently using a 450watts PSU...with 2 HDD..
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no worries, just let the hard disk cool then on it back. WD will cease function when its hot. just to protect from breaking down. niffty which only WD has it from what i know la.

Large volumes or hard disk are easily spoilt. thats why its recommended to get a small hard disk to work on the main OS. And large drives for storage only.

personally it doesn't matter on how long you run the HD as i've explain. its basically base on luck on care taken on the hard disk. Luck is invitable. i have friends who experience other brand or hard disk failure. WD no doubt ranks the best in least breakdown due to the complexity of the hard disk design. Maxtor? well i saw alot of bad reviews. but personally i think its delicate compared to WD.

your ticking sound is just the hard disk reading and writing. sometimes its a sign that the hard disk is gonna die soon. happened to me once b4 i got my ups and occured a black out. but now.its silent.. thank god. haha.

as i mention, large hard disk requires alot of disk or tiny heads to makeout all the data on the disk. slight disturbance such as shock or dust will easily damage your hard disk. Heat is another major concern which i've detailed it previously.

there is no special fabrication done actually. just house the fan in between the hard disk and the side. basically my casing is open all the time. so cool air is easily circulated through the casing.( air coming from the left of the casing. throught the sandwich of hard disk and out the other side.) of course you have to bear with all the dust la. but frequent cleaning will make your pc in tip top condition. ( i haven clean the dust from the hard disk. cause lazy wanna unscrew everything out. just cleaned the fan)

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you're running it as an OS hard disk. summore with so much load under 1 hard disk no wonder it'll break down. give you one simple example. the head of the hard disk need to handle the OS, load the player, play the movie files.load your games etc. so much work ofcourse it'll pengsan. hehe.

for your case where you cannot do backup, i suggest you run the hard disk under spinrite for a couple of days. see how many datas you can recover. a friend of mine who somehow broke his 320 gig hard disk containing all his valueble anime was recovered. well not entirely la. just i think 5-15 % of it for 1 week nonstop recovering. still the hard disk was in good shape. just broke down once but didn't want to rma. (he doesn't like to wait for RMA unless its his last option).

about the fan blowing into the casing is like a cheap option into cooling your CPU. for hard disk i don't think its significant. you need a direct blow of fan which can generate enuff pressure to push air inbetween those tiny spots. no doubt big fans generate large amount of CFM but their pressure is kinda low.( unless it spins very very fast).

regarding power. its best to opt for true power. but if you're using normal psu you can generate the number of wattage each pc parts consume.( don't have the link, think someone in lyn has the link posted). then you will need to make sure that your total power consume doesn't exceed 69% of 450 w since its not true power but peak power. Sympton of lack power? pc unstable and reboots. worse case. the psu blows and some pc parts might get faulty. if you want to check. there is a quick way. just feel the air coming out of the PSU. if its hot till the extend of hair dryer's air? you'll need to start worry.

For me, i'll stick with 2 psu la. cause not so straining compared to one PSU. summore cheaper.

p.s will take the pic next time la. The digicam is with my sis

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you are going to kill your PC with static charges from the vacuum
yeap...true...i owes use damp cloth 2 clean it n let it dry after a few hours...it works alrite.... biggrin.gif

Vervain....good job on providing d info.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

ehmmm...i hv a problem....my hard disk is always >40 degrees...vr hot ar...how ar? i dun tink i can add anymore fan in2 my pc...overall i tink i got 3 fans(countin d power supply)...im reli noob on pc...hope 2 get sum help....wat shud i do? btw, im using maxtor 160gb....

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QUOTE(OrCaGaL @ Jan 21 2006, 03:25 AM)
yeap...true...i owes use damp cloth 2 clean it n let it dry after a few hours...it works alrite.... biggrin.gif

Vervain....good job on providing d info.... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

ehmmm...i hv a problem....my hard disk is always >40 degrees...vr hot ar...how ar? i dun tink i can add anymore fan in2 my pc...overall i tink i got 3 fans(countin d power supply)...im reli noob on pc...hope 2 get sum help....wat shud i do? btw, im using maxtor 160gb....
wat casing are u using?
if its those biasa stainless steel casing it will effect ur whole cpu temperature lor coz it absorbs heat....if its an acrylic casing...lagi worse...those casings are just for show...get a big spacious aluminium casing...not those server type lar....tower atx casings will do...
if ure using more than 1 hardisk i suggest u space them 2 or 3 rows between it and put a vertical powerful 90cm fan to blow on it...though it might be a bit noisy...but itll help last the harddisk lor...just my 2 sen! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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40 degree is consider average la. i think there shouldn't be any big deal on the hard disk since you're not cranking up its load unless you play games and use the hard disk often la. try not to use damp cloths. cause really risky. easily short circuit. even if you're sure that the water has evaporated, it might cause harm to the circuit board. corrosion on the circuit joints.

akane soma has provided some nice details. but i think the most practical way for orcagal is to do regular maintenance. means once a month or twice a month like that on cleaning. Girls are always hard working in the aspects of cleanliness.

alternatively some of my friends suggested alcohol and cotton bud to clean all those dusty circuit boards. erm. haven try it but i think its safe la.

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Vervain : I found the problem to my hard disc problem. Interestingly enough it had nothing to do with the hard disc!

I was using an open-casing with a 400watt power supply. It frequently died (as in no power) and I thought I'd finally get it changed yesterday. I bought a 600watt power supply with a big-ass fan in it and did the switcheroo.

To my absolute horror the computer wouldn't startup at all.

Checked the power connections, checked everything replaced everything and finally.. decided to change the 3-socket extension with built in fuse. And what do you know, it worked. My 3-socket extension was the culprit for causing these frequent crashes! Something was wrong with one of the sockets and wasn't providing enough power for a 600watt power supply but working intermittantly for a 400watt one.

How the heck does that work?

Thanks for the tip on the fan. Will try it out a little later today. Any opinions on those heat sinks for hdds?

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Hello forumers, I really got a weird problem which I found it ridiculous. I never experience or heard about cases like these before.

I recently bought a Western Digital 2.5" 60GB HDD. I use the HDD in a cheap external casing mainly for storage porpose with use with my laptop. After a few days, I found that the HDD will seem to stop responding if I touch(i mean gently touch) the casing. Moreover, the data will be badly corrupted if I transfer files while touching the HDD's casing. The data will be 1-5% corrupted if I do not touch it. Then I checked more in detail. The HDD will not be detected if I place it on the floor. Once in a while, a "Delayed Write Failure" message will popup in the taskbar and I need to reconnect the HDD to the computer.

Out of all these problem, I went to the shop and I complained. After all the checking, I was amazed that HDD worked as if it is the best in the world without a problem even on my own laptop(which I am using). Conclusion, the HDD and its enclosure is 100% working.

To make the story short, I found that the HDD works perfectly if I use batteries only on the laptop. Whenever I use the adapter, the HDD gives problem. It is against the myth that batteries may not provide sufficient power to the HDD.

I know my problem is lengthy but give me some suggestions. I never seen such weird problem for all these years of computing. Sorry for being lengthy and thanks for helping... notworthy.gif
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I got a even more strange issue... SATA cable died!!!!

To make the long story short, had some data corruption on a strictly data only disk ( WD 250GB KS ). Upon many reboots...HDD is detected but doens't boot to windows even on safemode..tried sata spread spectrum, thought it was o/c related, then fishchicken suggested could be a NF4 issue....after the whole morning. WD's lifeguard tools showed cable error...replaced the SATA cable..chkdsk...surface scan...yada yada...no problem di.
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hmm... quite amazing... laugh.gif I tried using WD diagnostic tools when problem occurred and it also showed Cable Test Failed. But now I found that the laptop adaptor is causing problems. Crap.... I don't know if this is a related problem, all the CDs that I burned using the laptop is corrupted. I sent the burner for RMA(using batteries too) and the same thing happened. It burned CDs without a single error. I was wondering if it is problem with my CDs or the adaptor. I feel like opening the adaptor. Grall....

Btw, is there any suggestions or is it I have to dump the adaptor into the bin?

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wha....

My HDD temperature now is 59'C... damn... really scary...

Why does this happened?? Casing problem?? I use another PATA HDD in the same casing and the temperature never gone up 50'C.

Did I put the wire wrongly?? The power... IDE and SATA right?
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Do you guys feel that the new batch of maxtor hard disk drive quality have been downhill rather lately. My 6 yr old maxtor perform better than my 1 year old new maxtor diamond max 9. No wonder they sold out to seagate...
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hitachi bought IBM hdd manufacturing and design.. quality still the same..

maxtor bought quantum.. quality got worst and slimlines were one of the worst.

seagate bought maxtor.. if the design wise is going to be done by seagate and the manufacturing by maxtor, then i guess everything would turn out well within the next 1-2 years once their joint models are released.

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long live my 6.4GB quantum.

heck, long live my 10GB samsung as well... survived a drop. ;;) so now around 8GB still usable.

2 bad with my 20GB quantum which got fried... now if i could juz scavenge a working PCB for it n c. hmm...
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quantum PCBs are widely available nowadays as unwated scrap that are resold for quite a profit
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My personal experience is that lack of power does kill drives. It doesn't have to be a total power loss, but running drives in a machine which is short of power kills. I had 2 drive losses and also a number of friends who lost their drives due to insufficient power. After I changed my PSU to a higher capacity Antec, I have not had a single drive loss since (touch wood).

Also bear in mind that USB casings are a potential drive hazard. USB supplies a maximum of 500 miliamps per port which is sometimes short of the power required by the typical laptop drive. The infamous ICN25 series from Hitachi (i had 2) requires about 900 at powerup, which is above what most USB ports can supply and an average seek power of 500. To be safe, get one with dual USB leads or even better one that supports an external power brick.

Just my RM0.02..smile.gif

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Hi, I am new here and this is my first message. I confirmed that that putting a magnet doesnot wipe out yr HDD. I accidently put my notebook next to a speaker driver (woofer) overnight, in my desk drawer. Note : I had to change the driver due to some speaker problems. Didn't realise that till the next morning. When I took out the notebook and the driver was directly beneath the HDD part of the notebook

Notebook still working and I still have my data.
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Hi, I am new here and this is my first message.  I confirmed that that putting a magnet doesnot wipe out yr HDD.  I accidently put my notebook next to a speaker driver (woofer) overnight, in my desk drawer.  Note : I had to change the driver due to some speaker problems.  Didn't realise that till the next morning.  When I took out the notebook and the driver was directly beneath the HDD part of the notebook

Notebook still working and I still have my data.
All modern HDD has resistance to magnet to many thousand gauss. At most time, HDD will never be affected by magnets.

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Magnets are fatal to hard disk platters.. it depends on how strong the magnet is and how strong is the resistance of the hard disk.. we have a device that destroys the PCB, platter and head of the hard disk, it some basic principals of magnets in it.

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QUOTE(Akane Soma @ Jan 23 2006, 03:49 AM)
wat casing are u using?
if its those biasa stainless steel casing it will effect ur whole cpu temperature lor coz it absorbs heat....if its an acrylic casing...lagi worse...those casings are just for show...get a big spacious aluminium casing...not those server type lar....tower atx casings will do...
if ure using more than 1 hardisk i suggest u space them 2 or 3 rows between it and put a vertical powerful 90cm fan to blow on it...though it might be a bit noisy...but itll help last the harddisk lor...just my 2 sen! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
i use those biasa casing...icute 1...i tink its stainless steel...aluminium casing? wow...wat abt those icute plastic casing? da 1s tat luk like iPod 1...

QUOTE(Vervain @ Jan 23 2006, 10:41 PM)
40 degree is consider average la. i think there shouldn't be any big deal on the hard disk since you're not cranking up its load unless you play games and use the hard disk often la. try not to use damp cloths. cause really risky. easily short circuit. even if you're sure that the water has evaporated, it might cause harm to the circuit board. corrosion on the circuit joints.

akane soma has provided some nice details. but i think the most practical way for orcagal is to do regular maintenance. means once a month or twice a month like that on cleaning. Girls are always hard working in the aspects of cleanliness.

alternatively some of my friends suggested alcohol and cotton bud to clean all those dusty circuit boards. erm. haven try it but i think its safe la.
ok....thnx...i wil do regular maintenance...hehe... biggrin.gif

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i'm just noe all about this.. but still dont hav prob with my pc..!! so scared
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haiz HDD cannot ,multithread 1. last time when i was BTin', i try to install my zip program to new-format system and O&O also defragmenting. guess wat happen? winXP me bluescreen, HDD down, can't even read it from BIOS. have to do low-lvl format to bring it back(damn it, that is verry very time consuming). now dare not to heavyload my HDD anymore.

questions go through my mind: how those newcoming multitask processor to work fine with those single tasking HDD?
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QUOTE(milfordyg @ Feb 27 2006, 02:45 AM)
haiz HDD cannot ,multithread 1. last time when i was BTin', i try to install my zip program to new-format system and O&O also defragmenting. guess wat happen? winXP me bluescreen, HDD down, can't even read it from BIOS. have to do low-lvl format to bring it back(damn it, that is verry very time consuming). now dare not to heavyload my HDD anymore.
Quite often I discourage defragmenting hard drives because the defragment process places more stress on the HDD in a short period of time. And you were putting your drive for downloading AND defragmentation simultaneously! No wonder! doh.gif

QUOTE(milfordyg @ Feb 27 2006, 02:45 AM)
questions go through my mind: how those newcoming multitask processor to work fine with those single tasking HDD?
Hmm.. I've been using my HDDs for BT+eMule+ Filetopia+Soulseek (sometimes WinMX+DC) all SIMULTANEOUSLY for 24/7 (for several years) and had no problems at all. thumbup.gif

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hey,im new here n just interested in hdd problems.my previous seagate 80g sata hdd kong after 6 months use,what the heck! before it died i heard loud and continuous ticking noises...hdd screaming in pain eh? hehe

now using maxtor 80g sata hdd n as what i read in the 6 pages of this thread i know maxtor is no good as my fren said maxtor diamondmax 10 hdd chip easily burns. as for now i`ve done fdisk two times to my disk n since them i can sometimes hear a short ticking noise whenever the hdd runs a full operation. my cousin once told me fdisk can never be done to a hdd more than 8 times,is it true?

and which is the best brand of hdd? hitachi or wd? maxtor and seagate can bungkus into tong sampah already~
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juz wanna ask u huys someting which recently occured to me
i been using my 80gb samsung hdd for quite a while
somethimes i took out my hdd and connect with my friends for
exchanging data.
juz when i want to reconnect it to my comp
the BIOS would detected it neither the OS
wut the heck happens?



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QUOTE(wutsoever @ Mar 8 2006, 12:52 AM)
juz wanna ask u huys someting which recently occured to me
i been using my 80gb samsung hdd for quite a while
somethimes i took out my hdd and connect with my friends for
exchanging data.
juz when i want to reconnect it to my comp
the BIOS would detected it neither the OS
wut the heck happens?
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heh? BIOS detected ur hdd means it is connected to the board. u r trying to say neither BIOS nor OS detect ur hdd?
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Yes, it chills my bones when I think of my HDDs crashing on me. In fact, this reminds me of my favourite HDD in 2003. It was choke full of football matches and one day while transfering some data at another computer, I accidentally kicked it hard. It was of course hanging out of the computer by the cable (I guess it was my fault) but it was never same again. It would work at an angel, and sometimes not at all. Made some funny noises. I guess I should have backed the data up immediately but no, I just didn't do it. Relaxed, this that till one day it just refused to work at all.

80 GB of hard to find data gone up in smokes. Now I have 3x 80 GB, 1 x 200 GB and just bought a 2 x 400 GB drive. This will never happen again.

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QUOTE(ati radeon @ Mar 7 2006, 09:18 PM)
hey,im new here n just interested in hdd problems.my previous seagate 80g sata hdd kong after 6 months use,what the heck! before it died i heard loud and continuous ticking noises...hdd screaming in pain eh? hehe

now using maxtor 80g sata hdd n as what i read in the 6 pages of this thread i know maxtor is no good as my fren said maxtor diamondmax 10 hdd chip easily burns. as for now i`ve done fdisk two times to my disk n since them i can sometimes hear a short ticking noise whenever the hdd runs a full operation.
Both drives having ticking syndrome? There's probably something in your rig that's affecting them. What PSU are you using by the way? Can you list down your PC's FULL hardware specifications? blink.gif

QUOTE(ati radeon @ Mar 7 2006, 09:18 PM)
my cousin once told me fdisk can never be done to a hdd more than 8 times,is it true?
UNTRUE. Period. FDISK hardly does much to the drive.. just creates partition tables which occupies about few MB to a few GBs only (in fact most of the time, hard ever exceed 1GB). doh.gif

QUOTE(ati radeon @ Mar 7 2006, 09:18 PM)
and which is the best brand of hdd? hitachi or wd? maxtor and seagate can bungkus into tong sampah already~
This IMHO though, I usually prefer Seagate because they have served me well these past few years and (all the new ones since Barracuda IV generation) hasn't failed yet. In fact all the drives I used for 24/7 are Seagates. I do USE a good PSU (old Enlight 420W), AVR and have proper drive cooling. However it should be noted that personal experiences may vary from person to person. (and probably depends on the hard drive batch as well). sweat.gif

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i dun think its the rig problem,previous seagate really tick like the hull,the noise is really really loud.now its dead,cant even access the data in it.
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ICUTE 420W
This is considered "chapalang" PSU. Did you monitor the voltage rails? whistling.gif

QUOTE(ati radeon @ Mar 8 2006, 07:46 PM)
Samsung DVD n CD-RW
Is this a single COMBO drive, or are there 2 CD/DVD drives? blink.gif

Note: The AMD athlon xp 2800+ itself eats at least 64W to 75W. The RADEON 9600xt takes up about 25W at full load.


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ICUTE oso chapalang a...then how?get another 450W psu? how to monitor voltage rail? i dun think power insufficient lo,can play quake 4 n smoothly while online and running bittorrent.

2 IDE optical drive,samsung dvd and samsung cd-rw.
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my hdd starting to giv this 'krak' sound. is it gonna die soon ?
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how bout mine? 3 hdd, one is 40gb ata maxtor, another is 120gb sata maxtor, and 200 gb sata-2 seagate. 1 small fan (coolermaster 2500rpm) as the exhaust, 400watt default psu. should i put another fan ar? one fan not enough? check using everest, all 3 hdd reached 50 degree Celcius. shocking.gif . What to do?
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just received my hdd 2day
partitioned into 4...20gb each
1st n 2nd partition, when in heavy use, will produce ticking sound, the other 2 seem 2 b find, quiet...sth wrong?

edited:
oso, noticed that my wd lacks 1 block in fitness while my maxtor lacks 1 block in performance...this is monitored in speedfan smart monitor

both of my hdd gonna die soon?

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QUOTE(ati radeon @ Mar 9 2006, 03:11 PM)
ICUTE oso chapalang a...then how?get another 450W psu? how to monitor voltage rail? i dun think power insufficient lo,can play quake 4 n smoothly while online and running bittorrent.

2 IDE optical drive,samsung dvd and samsung cd-rw.
Try disconnecting one of the CD/DVD drives and see.. Most modern motherboards comes with monitoring functions. Check the BIOS setup for such functions. Your motherboard driver CD may also contain a Windows-based monitoring software. Check and see... wink.gif

By the way, the graphics card doesn't run on 12V directly, intead the power indirectly comes from an onboard regulator which steps the +12V down to either +3.3V or +1.5V for AGP/PCIe slot. The same goes for processorn (ie. steps down to VCore). However, your HDDs and CD/DVD drives runs directly from +12V line. Lack of sufficient voltage on these rails can affect them. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Mcrae @ Mar 14 2006, 11:59 PM)
my hdd starting to giv this 'krak' sound. is it gonna die soon ?
Depends on how loud it is, and how frequent it happens... A single "krak" sound does not always mean drive problems. Some drives are noisy when seeking and accessing.. hence the "kraaaak..." sounds.. However, recommend you have some SMART monitoring software to check.. If the HDD constantly goes "krak-krak-krak..." (very loudly) non-stop frequently even when idle, then that could be first signs of trouble.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(typicalsite @ Mar 16 2006, 01:36 AM)
how bout mine? 3 hdd, one is 40gb ata maxtor, another is 120gb sata maxtor, and 200 gb sata-2 seagate. 1 small fan (coolermaster 2500rpm) as the exhaust, 400watt default psu. should i put another fan ar? one fan not enough? check using everest, all 3 hdd reached 50 degree Celcius.  shocking.gif . What to do?
If all the HDD are at 50C or higher, then that is considered HIGH temperatures. Beware of that. Make sure the HDD is adequately cooled. If adding a fan could improve things, then try it.. Also make sure the casing has good airflow.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(Hiwatari @ Mar 16 2006, 03:40 PM)
1st n 2nd partition, when in heavy use, will produce ticking sound, the other 2 seem 2 b find, quiet...sth wrong?
Is this ticking sound very loud? sweat.gif

QUOTE(Hiwatari @ Mar 16 2006, 03:40 PM)
oso, noticed that my wd lacks 1 block in fitness while my maxtor lacks 1 block in performance...this is monitored in speedfan smart monitor

both of my hdd gonna die soon?
That should be OK. Just watch out for the relocated sector count or unrecoverable read/write error status. These should not increase all the time (ie. these indicate bad and/or unreadable/unwriteable sectors)... wink.gif
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what is the normal temperature of working harddisk ?? my western digital ATA 80GB is running at 50degree celcius (based on Everest)...my PC is in aircondless room with normal room tempereature...my system on for almost 20hours a day....is it normal ??

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Is this ticking sound very loud?  sweat.gif
at least louder than my maxtor...maxtor 'no sound'...wd can hear from like...5 metres?but when in heavy usage only...otherwise, it'll 'krak' like once in 5 sec

but y only in 1st n 2nd partition?the other 2 is so quiet

edited:wohooo...check this out...aiseh
Hardware ECC Recovered 251 34483 Watch
Warning: Hardware ECC Recovered is below the average limits (252-253).
speedfan in-depth anal...dying? icon_question.gif

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how to identified whether the hdd is goin to die soon or it juz sudden death !?

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My PC not powerup every time i press power button key.I try to find out what the problem is.I confuse when i take off power cable and ide cable from HDD .Now the power is up .That is HDD fail ?
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after leaving my comp idle for few hours and i play some music the hdd will produce some ticking sound, and often alot of times after few hours of usage of my comp, the hdd will be producing those sounds again if i stop playing music and play it again.. anything wrong with it?

another question is if i install MBM or Speedfan while running my ASUS probe the asus probe will keep come out warning sounds, sometimes it write CPU fan speed 0, or the voltage drop to really low or went really high. i not sure about the voltage part but when it says cpu fan speed is 0, i look at my cpu fan (i removed the side casing ever since i get my WD120GB) and its running. so does it means that the sensor went crazy or the softwares cannot work with each other?

btw im using only 1 WD120GB harddisk as OS and storage, with few partitions
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Is BT another way to kill ur HDD? Coz got a fren after starting use BT for a few days and his HDD died after a reboot tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Hiwatari @ Mar 18 2006, 06:59 PM)
at least louder than my maxtor...maxtor 'no sound'...wd can hear from like...5 metres?but when in heavy usage only...otherwise, it'll 'krak' like once in 5 sec

but y only in 1st n 2nd partition?the other 2 is so quiet
Possible bad/slow sectors. The "krak" sound could be possibly the head re-setting and re-seeking the bad/slow sector. sweat.gif

QUOTE(Hiwatari @ Mar 18 2006, 06:59 PM)
edited:wohooo...check this out...aiseh
Hardware ECC Recovered          251  34483  Watch
Warning: Hardware ECC Recovered is below the average limits (252-253).
speedfan in-depth anal...dying? icon_question.gif
That statement sounds not good at all. This can indicate "weak" bits in one or more sectors (ie. causing the ECC recovery). As abovementioned, there could be slow and/or bad sectors in that drive. sweat.gif

UPDATE: Just to let you guys know.. I'm think I may be losing one of my Seagate 7200.7 160GB HDD to bad sectors... (volume became unreadable, Windows reported bad blocks). The CULPRIT was my old ASUS 52X/24X/52X CDRW which was mounted right below the hard drive (the HDD cooler aluminium block was always in contact with the CDRW drive all the time). I started re-using this (since long time last used) CDRW for some burns recently. There were (highly audible) strong vibrations (ie. "rattling") from the CDRW drive everytime it starts reaching maximum burning speed, and must have affected the HDD. This HDD was in very good condition before I started re-using my old CDRW. Conclusion, the VIBRATION most probably affected the HDD. Oh dear... rclxub.gif

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my 80GB WD got loud tickling sound a few days ago...and it died TODAY!!! jz used it for about >10 months... even my 20GB seagate year 2001 havent die yet!!!:furious: vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

anyway to recover information inside??? i got lots of valuables item inside!!!

BIOS still can detect the HDD, but inside windows, its ultra lagging...and only can see the HDD as RAW data...after unplug the HDD,everything runs fine...

now got no games, music, movie to play at all........

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I have had problems with my HDD for 2 times since I start using my PC. Whenever I heard loud clicking sounds, my heart start clicking too tongue.gif Tat's when you know ur HDD is gonna choke to death. Hehehe a year ago my Maxtor 120GB died just 3 weeks b4 warranty. And They return me a 160GB thumbup.gif But so far still working ... but I guess soon it'll leave me again sweat.gif

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my hdd often ticks quite loud especially when loading or writing files, what worse is its just about 5 months old, really dam worry when heard it ticking sweat.gif
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I got something to share:

My WD HD, I took it for a ride. I live in Serdang and went to Wangsa Maju to transfer some files to my friend's PC. After going to Wangsa via KTM + LRT then back again, I checked my HD with speedfan and... sad.gif

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The performance had drop from 100% to 89% jus in one trip?!

It has been working at 100% since,... erm... year 2000... Ahhh...
I'll never bring my HD for a joyride again...
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Possible bad/slow sectors. The "krak" sound could be possibly the head re-setting and re-seeking the bad/slow sector.  sweat.gif

will it affect the other 2 partitions?the quiet 1
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That statement sounds not good at all. This can indicate "weak" bits in one or more sectors (ie. causing the ECC recovery). As abovementioned, there could be slow and/or bad sectors in that drive. sweat.gif

but now it's back 2 252(normal)...erm...what's goin on?evrytime i do the in depth anal...the result varies...hoh doh.gif
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my hdd often ticks quite loud especially when loading or writing files, what worse is its just about 5 months old, really dam worry when heard it ticking sweat.gif
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mine is jz like that...jz 10 months only
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QUOTE(smokey @ Apr 3 2006, 05:19 PM)
beware of sudden death!!
mine is jz like that...jz 10 months only
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Clicks and ticks really a sign of ur HDD's death. Experienced it many times all also died later about few monthes later doh.gif Just before it die u might get sudden PC hangs or disappearance. sweat.gif
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i got 1 external hardisk... but dont know how it uddenly cannot boot... followed by the clicking sound... this hardiskk still can repair o i just consider it "death"? anybody, any idea?
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anyone does hdd recovery services? or knows someone who's good at hdd recovery services...pls pm/email or just drop the contact no here...i need to recover a laptop hdd

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QUOTE(smokey @ Mar 31 2006, 11:10 AM)
my 80GB WD got loud tickling sound a few days ago...and it died TODAY!!! jz used it for about >10 months... even my 20GB seagate year 2001 havent die yet!!!:furious:  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif

anyway to recover information inside??? i got lots of valuables item inside!!!

BIOS still can detect the HDD, but inside windows, its ultra lagging...and only can see the HDD as RAW data...after unplug the HDD,everything runs fine...
Sounds like slow and bad sector problems.. and possibly some corruption. Since the drive is detectable, there may be a good possibility that the data (maybe not all of it) can be recovered.. Try some of the recovery software mentioned here in this thread such Stellar Phoenix, Acronis Reovery Expert, GetDataBack, PC Inspector, SpinRite, R-Studio, etc.. wink.gif

QUOTE(K-o-E @ Apr 3 2006, 09:19 PM)
anyone does hdd recovery services? or knows someone who's good at hdd recovery services...pls pm/email or just drop the contact no here...i need to recover a laptop hdd
Try the following...

- First Data Services
- SCS-Myung
- Adroit Data Recovery Centre
- MDR Data Recovery Solution

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I just plugged in my 2.5" WD HDD into the laptop to check it's SMART status. Everything looks ok but there are 115 Reallocated Sector Count. Speedfan online diagnostic adviced me to backup data and get a new disk. This disk was actually used in a problematic HDD enclosure. Does this mean that my HDD is dying? Maybe because of my lousy cheapskate enclosure, it has caused the reallocation. Can I un-reallocate the sectors by writing zero or formatting?

p/s: Don't use cheapskate enclosures.. They give headaches. sweat.gif
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i just found a new way(accidently) to kill the hdd. This is for WD hdd only. when then pc running on touch the pcb circuit, then you will here clicking sound and do it until tha BSOD occur then say goodbye to hdd.

I found this way when i try to fix a pc and then had to say goodbye to the hdd

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i dunno why my new 250gb hdd always overheat???
the temp. always between 58c to 68c
the highest record reached 70c

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How long will a HDD with bad sector will last if I've already "fix" it with some software but still using it to do regular stuff such as surfing and light gaming?
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Maybe your HD is running at high speeds with little or not air circulation to cool ur disk. Try to get a hd cooler.
QUOTE(hurricane21 @ Apr 12 2006, 03:33 PM)
i dunno why my new 250gb hdd always overheat???
the temp. always between 58c to 68c
the highest record reached 70c

cheap enclosure's chipset will give u the headache by not giving data at all... U should listen to speedfan and get a new disk...
QUOTE(mengsuan @ Apr 9 2006, 02:09 AM)
I just plugged in my 2.5" WD HDD into the laptop to check it's SMART status. Everything looks ok but there are 115 Reallocated Sector Count. Speedfan online diagnostic adviced me to backup data and get a new disk. This disk was actually used in a problematic HDD enclosure. Does this mean that my HDD is dying? Maybe because of my lousy cheapskate enclosure, it has caused the reallocation. Can I un-reallocate the sectors by writing zero or formatting?
p/s: Don't use cheapskate enclosures.. They give headaches.  sweat.gif

If u fix the HD with software, it might last 3days to 3years. But who knows?
QUOTE(ClessRV @ Apr 12 2006, 04:11 PM)
How long will a HDD with bad sector will last if I've already "fix" it with some software but still using it to do regular stuff such as surfing and light gaming?


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cheap enclosure's chipset will give u the headache by not giving data at all... U should listen to speedfan and get a new disk...
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Wa... that disk is less than 6 months and it cost me 300++ for that 60GB. To RMA, there is not enough reallocated sector count, I think.
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hi.. i've prob here.. nowadays my HD start to produce chunking sound when i run file on that.. that is my 2nd HD.. 40G Seagate.. i used to keep my anime n muvie there.. n when i open anime file it will produce sund like.. "chaking chaking~~" sumkind like that.. not only two bits.. but for a long time.. maybe 2 -3 mins.. n i oso find that it work really slow.. have to wait up to 1 min to open anime file.. why a dis happen? sign of my HD want to kong ka?
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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Apr 18 2006, 08:15 PM)
hi.. i've prob here.. nowadays my HD start to produce chunking sound when i run file on that.. that is my 2nd HD.. 40G Seagate.. i used to keep my anime n muvie there.. n when i open anime file it will produce sund like.. "chaking chaking~~" sumkind like that.. not only two bits.. but for a long time.. maybe 2 -3 mins.. n i oso find that it work really slow.. have to wait up to 1 min to open anime file.. why a dis happen? sign of my HD want to kong ka?
possibly bad sector since u mentioned it took 4ever 2 open a file besides sounds
hv u try run scandisk?

oh yeah, speaking bout scandisk, does any1 know y scandisk using command prompt is faster than scandisk that runs after we restart pc?

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Mar 31 2006, 12:19 PM)
I have had problems with my HDD for 2 times since I start using my PC. Whenever I heard loud clicking sounds, my heart start clicking too tongue.gif Tat's when you know ur HDD is gonna choke to death. Hehehe a year ago my Maxtor 120GB died just 3 weeks b4 warranty. And They return me a 160GB thumbup.gif But so far still working ... but I guess soon it'll leave me again sweat.gif

Warning: Heavy HDD usage kills (esp. BT, install~uninstall games, defrag too often) shakehead.gif
After suffering from "random click sound and hang" while in game for 2+ months. My Maxtor 160GB finally kick the bucket, as it wont boot to Windows anymore. Arghhh .... music, video and data gone cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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TRAS Violation: The Creeping Corruption of a HDD
means if running performance ram such as TCCD at 2-2-2-5 will spoile the hdd more faster???
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Off topic...
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Where can we claim our warranty?lifetime waranty from manufacturer?Agent or HQ?
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I find that older hdd can withstand tougher situation and last longer
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Off topic...
Sorry,just borrow this space awhile.
Where can we claim our warranty?lifetime waranty from manufacturer?Agent or HQ?
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Lifetime warranty? Is there any manufacturer providing lifetime warranty for HDD? If you bought it from a shop, the shop will help you RMA in the 1st year. Other remaining years, you'll have to pay the shop or send the HDD yourself.
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Guys wanna ask u all, if when running the comp, than suddenly TNB current blackout/ house ELCB tripped, than the comp also sure off straight away.

Wanna ask will that spoilt my hdd ? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Mcrae @ May 30 2006, 12:19 AM)
Guys wanna ask u all, if when running the comp, than suddenly TNB current blackout/ house ELCB tripped, than the comp also sure off straight away.

Wanna ask will that spoilt my hdd ?  sweat.gif
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Possible. Especially if the HDD is being accessed(read/write), the blackout may cause a scratch on the platter thus damaging the disk. But so far, for me, I have not encountered such problem. sweat.gif
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how do u know its heat problem? what temp is normal?
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Try sys information software such as SpeedFan, PC Wizard 2006, Everest. They give pretty detailed hardware info and temperature too smile.gif
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Did lots of video encoding for 8 hours a day. After one month of hard work my 120GB Maxtor said bye bye and took permanent vacation. Another way to kill your HDD...
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I have a 40GB Maxtor HDD but recently I couldn't access it. My computer takes some time to boot (cos trying to access the HDD) but failed to read it. I've even tried disk utility bt nothing works. Please PM me.....

I'm using IDE HDD drive

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Hello forumers, I really got a weird problem which I found it ridiculous. I never experience or heard about cases like these before.

I recently bought a Western Digital 2.5" 60GB HDD. I use the HDD in a cheap external casing mainly for storage porpose with use with my laptop. After a few days, I found that the HDD will seem to stop responding if I touch(i mean gently touch) the casing. Moreover, the data will be badly corrupted if I transfer files while touching the HDD's casing. The data will be 1-5% corrupted if I do not touch it. Then I checked more in detail. The HDD will not be detected if I place it on the floor. Once in a while, a "Delayed Write Failure" message will popup in the taskbar and I need to reconnect the HDD to the computer.

Out of all these problem, I went to the shop and I complained. After all the checking, I was amazed that HDD worked as if it is the best in the world without a problem even on my own laptop(which I am using). Conclusion, the HDD and its enclosure is 100% working.

To make the story short, I found that the HDD works perfectly if I use batteries only on the laptop. Whenever I use the adapter, the HDD gives problem. It is against the myth that batteries may not provide sufficient power to the HDD.

I know my problem is lengthy but give me some suggestions. I never seen such weird problem for all these years of computing. Sorry for being lengthy and thanks for helping...  notworthy.gif
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hi there,

got same problem as you. delayed write failed. the dreaded error message keep popping out when i try to write any file to my 2.5" seagate momentus 40GB in housed in 'ayam' brand enclosure.

after 2 weeks i finally managed to sort the problem out. my solution only applies if you're using ich4 or ich5 southbridge, found on boards using intel chipset. i'using thinkpad r51 with intel 852/855 with ICH4M southbridge.

first check the driver of your IDE ATA/ATAPI controller in Device Manager. if the Intel 80xxx controller is using pciide.sys driver, high chance you'll get delayed write fail because of this. you can refer to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322359/ for details.

you need to use the intelide.sys for your controller to solve the problem

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QUOTE(sapstar @ Jun 20 2006, 11:22 PM)
hi there,

got same problem as you. delayed write failed. the dreaded error message keep popping out when i try to write any file to my 2.5" seagate momentus 40GB in housed in 'ayam' brand enclosure.

after 2 weeks i finally managed to sort the problem out. my solution only applies if you're using ich4 or ich5 southbridge, found on boards using intel chipset. i'using thinkpad r51 with intel 852/855 with ICH4M southbridge.

first check the driver of your IDE ATA/ATAPI controller in Device Manager. if the Intel 80xxx controller is using pciide.sys driver, high chance you'll get delayed write fail because of this. you can refer to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322359/ for details.

you need to use the intelide.sys for your controller to solve the problem

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Yes! I'm using North Bridge: Intel® 855GME, South Bridge: ICH4-M. There are 3 drivers. atapi.sys, intelide.sys and pciidex.sys. I already have intelide.sys in this case. So, what should I do? Ah, you should have appeared earlier. I have actually solved this problem by buying a new RM 50 enclosure. The cap ayam enclosure is in my desk.

Edit: Oops... the driver that you mentioned is pciide.sys but mine is pciidex.sys

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i have a maxtor HDD, for everytime i start up my pc...whenever i hear a 'clang' sound from the HDD, my pc will hang...need help to know what's the problem...thanks guys~
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i have a maxtor HDD, for everytime i start up my pc...whenever i hear a 'clang' sound from the HDD, my pc will hang...need help to know what's the problem...thanks guys~
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I've the same problem with my 160GB HDD and usually happen when I load up a game. Used to think that my HDD has bad sectors, but scanned with Maxtor's tool it says healthy. Could be caused by something else eg. software, OS, IDE controller, old mobo or maybe other hardware. unsure.gif
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Hi all,

I have a problem with my hard disk. One fine day, after i put in a new SDRAM into my PC, it work fine. After i restart, my PC just keeps restarting everytime it shows the Windows bootup screen. So, i troubleshoot it myself and i thought it was the power supply. So, i changed the power supply, and it got worse. It displays a msg "Disk Boot Failure...." or something like that. I've tried using another IDE cable and making sure that the jumpers are set correctly. But then, it still didn't work. I'm really afraid that my hard disk really 'kong'.

What should i do?





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QUOTE(Kane3013 @ Aug 12 2005, 12:27 AM)
You all still considered lucky...

my Maxtor 20gb hdd went on flames right infront of my eyes  shocking.gif

I so shock I fast close the PC luckily only the hdd died  sweat.gif

(that happened 2 years ago)

after that I didnt buy Maxtor anymore always buy WD only  thumbup.gif

the cause of the fire was the solder on the chip overheat because of excessive dust (closer inspection of the decease was the hdd was choking on dust cause i didnt clean the hdd and I open the case too)

so word of encouragement to you all is CLEAN YOUR PC FROM DUST REGULARLY

it happen to me and could happen to you.
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cry.gif Same me ,mine died 2 days ago.Maxtor 160gb Diamond 16,now try to recovery but very slow, it can still see the files inside but cannot transfer coz cyclic redundancy error,
sometimes can transfer certain files. Upon checking also found dust choking the poor bugger and my casing temp go up when i on 24/7, and it work so hard on BT sad.gif

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Err, guys, I have 10kb+ bad sector, any way to remove it??
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I got one technical prob. I buy pentium 4 2.66, ddr 512 ram, 80 GB sata hdd, one 20GB pata hdd, creative 5.1 sound blaster. After i set up the whole thing and install window inside... i realise that it was totally vy slow. Don feel like 2.6GHz machine. can anyone help me on this matter? i really don know wat is the matter...
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Have a Maxtor 40gb ATA66 hdd here.
Running on a rig and suddenly windows crashed....not able to access windows anymore since then and trying to format the hdd.....Always failed at the halfway and subsequently getting worse.

There are 2 partitions in this 40gb hdd and the non-windows partition still working pretty well while I not able to format the windows based on partition.

Any solution?
Tried with winxp pro sp2 cd, not working.
Plug into my rig and try to format that particular partition, I'm not able to format it too.
Already backup all the data. Any solution for me to try?
Low-level format?
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QUOTE(kahyern @ Jul 30 2006, 08:42 PM)
I got one technical prob. I buy pentium 4 2.66, ddr 512 ram, 80 GB sata hdd, one 20GB pata hdd, creative 5.1 sound blaster. After i set up the whole thing and install window inside... i realise that it was totally vy slow. Don feel like 2.6GHz machine. can anyone help me on this matter? i really don know wat is the matter...
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did your RAM usage full ? (hard disk keep blinking even in idle)
check your device manager for poper driver install
and make sure you use 80pin ide cable for the 20gb disk (little performance boost)
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QUOTE(ImanAzlan @ Jul 28 2006, 10:25 PM)
Err, guys, I have 10kb+ bad sector, any way to remove it??
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Im not sure whether bad sectors can be "removed" anot but try low level formatting and see..
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best way to preserve your hdd is to have enough ram. depending on your usage. those applications which need lotsa ram for example games, photoshop, 3dmax. This because enough ram will avoid using your hdd for temporary storage. Have u seen a 128mb ram machine run multiple tasks? scary man.
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Power Outages In The Midst Of Defragmentation

A relatively rare cause of HDD failure is a power outage in the middle of a defragmentation but I have seen it happen and even though the damage is non-permanent in most cases, it may require a low level format which results in complete loss of all data.


my old hdd gone fly kite when there is a sudden power failure during defragmentation... damn tenaga !!!
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my old hdd gone fly kite when there is a sudden power failure during defragmentation... damn tenaga !!!
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it happened to me before,but nothing happened to my harddisk also.

However i notice more hangs...
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Hi, This post is very informative, however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,

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Hi, This post is very informative, however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,

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now using western d,
before wd, i'm using maxtor and seagate.
maxtor got bad sector and sent to rma but the comp shop exchanged the wif a seagate.
the seagate die suddenly and i dunno why??? lost my all data...

how to kill the hdds is not important.
but make sure the data can't be recovered in the dead hdd is most IMPORTANT.


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Well talking about dead HDDs, I am pretty worried about mine.

Since I changed casing, my HDD temp is, well appaling.

THis is due to the silent setup of my casing, therefore the front fan is actually quite weak from what I see.

My old iCute casing with aeroplane fans in front game my HDD temp around 40+ degrees.

Currently my HDDs now are at 48 degrees most of the time, sometimes incraesaing to 50 degrees. And I am talking about the HDD temp. itself, not the chipset, the chipset is normally a good 3 to 5 degree higher than the HDD temp.

So is this safe? Should I forget the silent setup and swap the fron fan with a powerful fan?

I stack 4 HDD in a row, because my casing got 5 slots, hence the temp is pretty high.
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QUOTE(duhdude @ Jul 22 2006, 02:46 AM)
cry.gif Same me ,mine died 2 days ago.Maxtor 160gb Diamond 16,now try to recovery but very slow, it can still see the files inside but cannot transfer coz cyclic redundancy error,
sometimes can transfer certain files. Upon checking also found dust choking the poor bugger and my casing temp go up when i on 24/7, and it work so hard on BT sad.gif
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hey, i just got the same prob! cyclic redundancy error... cry.gif
its maxtor 120g.....but i devide into 3 partition; 80,20,20..
hv prob with the 80g partition; where i put all my personal projects and works, mad.gif
now im copying important files....
yeah, some file ok, some files corrupt, cannot delete also...
wanna ghost also cannot~
u found any solution bro? if theres any....haha... sweat.gif

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have any software that can really repair bad sector??
sory noob question here...
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Can any of this method destroy my laptop hard disk?

1) Use a hair dryer to blow beneath the hard disk of the laptop
2) Use a industrial magnet (big one)
3) Use a hammer and knock on the hard disk

What more? Any good suggestion? icon_rolleyes.gif
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Can any of this method destroy my laptop hard disk?

1) Use a hair dryer to blow beneath the hard disk of the laptop
2) Use a industrial magnet (big one)
3) Use a hammer and knock on the hard disk

What more? Any good suggestion?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Throw it down the building. Give it a pepsi treat. Cook it in the microwave oven with your maggi mee. You can do so many things to destroy it. An alternative to let the HDD go, give it to me and you'll never see it again. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 12 2006, 02:48 PM)
Throw it down the building. Give it a pepsi treat. Cook it in the microwave oven with your maggi mee. You can do so many things to destroy it. An alternative to let the HDD go, give it to me and you'll never see it again. tongue.gif
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Lol, ask him give the whole laptop to you, easier tongue.gif
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Throw it into a frying pan when you are frying your chicken..hahah just kidding,i think normal temperature is our body temp,37c.

Buy a Dell pc,sure ur hdd wont overheat because the cooling inside the pc is pretty good and cool(unless the fan stop working).See it urself....
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I want to ask something. is it inside the hdd is vacuum? and if you run your laptop in an air-conditioned room, will the air inside the laptop condense and damage your laptop, as well as the hdd if it is not vacuum?
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I want to ask something. is it inside the hdd is vacuum? and if you run your laptop in an air-conditioned room, will the air inside the laptop condense and damage your laptop, as well as the hdd if it is not vacuum?
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high and no fan in front the HDD also kills it, like "killing me slowly with the heat.."
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No wonder my previous hard disk died... I play bass guitar and the amp is just next to it and its just facing the position when the hard disk is... doh.gif
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You don't have to turn off the main switch connecting the PC to the electrical socket when your PC hangs or freezes. All you have to do is master reset your PC. These are the following steps to do it. Correct me if I am wrong because I am only a (student-12 year old)

Step 1)Try closing all your opened programs. If your computer responds by giving you this error message 'program name' not responding try by pressing and holding your keys 'CTRL+ALT+DELETE'. A popup window named 'Windows Tak Manager' will appear.

Step2)Go under the 'Applications' tab and try by highlighting the program that is not responding and click 'End Task'. If this does not work try repeating step 1 and go under processes.

Step3)Search for the program that is not responding and highlight the program, and then click 'End Process'.(WARNING:THIS MAY CAUSE SYSTEM INSTABILITY). (I DO NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITES OR LIABILITIES CAUSED ON ANYONE OR ANYTHING). Extensive overclocking may also be the cause of this.

Step4)If all the steps above do not work try by master resetting your PC by pressing and holding your 'Power Button' until your PC turn's off by itself, after this turn off the switch at the electrical socket and unplug the PC. Do not plug in the head and turn the PC back on wait until 10 seconds to let all moving parts in your PC come to a total stop and allow your PC to unload it's psysical memory (RAM). And then only turn the PC back on.
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lol!!!
i killing my HDD

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huh.. kind freak me out when i read through.. i really2 hope there's no such damage thing happen to my HDD coz i've got lots of precious data that i need to keep it for 10 years or so tongue.gif

oh, btw, i heard form the news flow over a wind, that with torrent (any kind of torrent transfer) also will increase the probability or ur HDD to be dead.. if i'm not mistaken it is because of the unstable "write" n "read" process..

is it true? if it is, is there any software that can help me regarding this issue?
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Which thread is about the HDD/System recovery? Thanks for helping. I want to know the comparison between NGuard/Juzt-reboot/Time-Tracer....

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You don't have to turn off the main switch connecting the PC to the electrical socket when your PC hangs or freezes. All you have to do is master reset your PC. These are the following steps to do it. Correct me if I am wrong because I am only a (student-12 year old)

Step 1)Try closing all your opened programs. If your computer responds by giving you this error message 'program name' not responding try by pressing and holding your keys 'CTRL+ALT+DELETE'. A popup window named 'Windows Tak Manager' will appear.

Step2)Go under the 'Applications' tab and try by highlighting the program that is not responding and click 'End Task'. If this does not work try repeating step 1 and go under processes.

Step3)Search for the program that is not responding and highlight the program, and then click 'End Process'.(WARNING:THIS MAY CAUSE SYSTEM INSTABILITY). (I DO NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITES OR LIABILITIES CAUSED ON ANYONE OR ANYTHING). Extensive overclocking may also be the cause of this.

Step4)If all the steps above do not work try by master resetting your PC by pressing and holding your 'Power Button' until your PC turn's off by itself, after this turn off the switch at the electrical socket and unplug the PC. Do not plug in the head and turn the PC back on wait until 10 seconds to let all moving parts in your PC come to a total stop and allow your PC to unload it's psysical memory (RAM). And then only turn the PC back on.
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whoa u sure on genius 12 year old whistling.gif errrr not 21 meh..

by the way if my PC hang i always use Step 4 it easier

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May i know what is the best temperature for HDD? in order to prolong the life span?

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May i know what is the best temperature for HDD? in order to prolong the life span?
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the best would be room temperature. laugh.gif When the value is:

room temperature < hard disk temperature < room temperature... laugh.gif

Try not to touch 50 degrees if possible.
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darn my sister HDD just kaput...fell down tha table(ext. hd) and she really want to recover all the files in there yawn.gif .I think it can be done since the disk in there not scratched .....can it?


BTW its 250GB and cost her rm800++ in Japan. unsure.gif What a waste

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my HD space is getting low for awhile now.. i can feel it is dying >.>|| starting to make werid noise
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haha well if u want formant many time and also in progress in doing so put a harddisk mangnet into it... it will kill it,,,

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i installed the HDDHealth and it says my hd need to poy Attenssion to it!
What for?
DO what?

(it is on a ibm notebook)
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yesterday...my hdd suddenly came out a sound ''tek tek tek''....my system suddenly hang then suddenly smooth...then i faster restart my pc...but then when my pc want go into windows...it very slow and very slow at the startup...and then i click an application,it also take some time to load it...i already check the CPU usage and it just used about 20% of memory...what happen???
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well it means that ur harddisk is finally giving up... Backup ur data now... before it really fails...
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is there any possibilities to revive a hard disk which died for a while so i could
back up all my files? the hard disk makes noises now and can't even get pass bios
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hi i got a 160gb seagate harddrive and i make four partition each with three with 39 and last 1 with 31 but strangely i can format other 3 39gb partition with NTFS but the last 31gb i can only format in FAT32 ...

can anyone tell me what happend?
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QUOTE(erickyoko @ Jan 21 2007, 05:42 PM)
yesterday...my hdd suddenly came out  a sound ''tek tek tek''....my system suddenly hang then suddenly smooth...then i faster restart my pc...but then when my pc want go into windows...it very slow and very slow at the startup...and then i click an application,it also take some time to load it...i already check the CPU usage and it just used about 20% of memory...what happen???
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Your HDD is calling me laugh.gif
Check your power cable and for the slow loading , look for IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers in Device Manager . Check is it using PIO mode , if it is then switch to UltraDMA .
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hi i got a 160gb seagate harddrive and i make four partition each with three with 39 and last 1 with 31 but strangely i can format other 3 39gb partition with NTFS but the last 31gb i can only format in FAT32 . can anyone tell me what happend?
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Try format again that partition using Disk Management in Windows ( rightclick my computer - manage - storage - disk management ) right click that 31GB drive and select format .
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Try format again that partition using Disk Management in Windows ( rightclick my computer - manage - storage - disk management ) right click that 31GB drive and select format .
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still cannot format till 100% then format did not finish successfully.....

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hi... Ermm just wanted to know can we used raid 0 or raid 1 is the harddisk size is different

for example : 200GB and 320GB together?
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hi... Ermm just wanted to know can we used raid 0 or raid 1 is the harddisk size is different

for example : 200GB and 320GB together?
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AFAIK

you can raid two different size and make of hdd

it is just that:

1. for raid-0 (striping) the total is the lowest size times 2. eg: 200gb + 320gb = 400gb, (the 320 will only utilize 200gb only). this is also same with raid-1, except raid-1 is mirroring, so the total for the above drives is 200gb only(as the lowest is 200gb, so the 320 will use up to 200gb to mirror a.k.a copy exactly what the initial 200gb has.

2. it is said by some one here in LYN, that using different size and make will tax your raid chip, since different make have different specifications.
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how long span life for a HDD ?
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Does a sudden power failure can cause loss of data from hard disk?
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QUOTE(mai-k @ Mar 10 2007, 10:11 AM)
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it will cause your hdd bad sector or die faster..
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izzit possible the HDD will make sound "tek"(not constant) when scan virus, i also use HDD cooler(CM Stacker 4 in 3 device), i use my starting evening till da morning everyday....
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Wanna ask will the hdd spoilt if it is used in a ide to usb converter?
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i wanna ask i got slight problem with my Seagate ST380011A Barracuda 7200RPM (80GB). The performance is getting slower in windows xp. the weird thing is, there's some kinda interval hard disk busy activity after 5-7 seconds and it wont take long. CPU is idle and no virus were detected. then i try to reformat and repartition my disk. reinstalling windows xp also there's that interval busy activity occured. also my installtion of winxp become somewhat longer than normal (winxp cd no scratch) all i saw my disk keep on busy than usual during winxp installation which made my fresh installation becomes abit longer for sure.

now in fresh windows xp, sometime still heard that interval busy activity..let me ilustrated with my best imagination


.............................(no HDD activity for 5-7secs)..............................KRIKKKKKKKKKKK (for 1-2 seconds, some kinda reading huge data).................................................KRRRIIIIKKKKKKKKKKK (again)

I check thru SMART info

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 57 52 8963550 OK: Value is normal
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
07 Seek Error Rate 30 89 60 905342955 OK: Value is normal
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 57 52 8963550 OK: Always passes


The value is normal when google it, benchmark it seems to be normal at speed and also check thru Seagate Seatools my HDD PASSED

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Mar 22 2007, 11:57 PM)
i wanna ask i got slight problem with my Seagate ST380011A Barracuda 7200RPM (80GB). The performance is getting slower in windows xp. the weird thing is, there's some kinda interval hard disk busy activity after 5-7 seconds and it wont take long. CPU is idle and no virus were detected. then i try to reformat and repartition my disk. reinstalling windows xp also there's that interval busy activity occured. also my installtion of winxp become somewhat longer than normal (winxp cd no scratch) all i saw my disk keep on busy than usual during winxp installation which made my fresh installation becomes abit longer for sure.

now in fresh windows xp, sometime still heard that interval busy activity..let me ilustrated with my best imagination
.............................(no HDD activity for 5-7secs)..............................KRIKKKKKKKKKKK (for 1-2 seconds, some kinda reading huge data).................................................KRRRIIIIKKKKKKKKKKK (again)

I check thru SMART info

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 57 52 8963550 OK: Value is normal
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
07 Seek Error Rate 30 89 60 905342955 OK: Value is normal
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 57 52 8963550 OK: Always passes
The value is normal when google it, benchmark it seems to be normal at speed and also check thru Seagate Seatools my HDD PASSED
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i also having this problem too...i try to reformat but the problem same...is it mean my hd will kong soon???any solution???pls help us....(PS:soory for eddyann coz i use ur post)
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QUOTE(erickyoko @ Mar 23 2007, 01:02 AM)
i also having this problem too...i try to reformat but the problem same...is it mean my hd will kong soon???any solution???pls help us....(PS:soory for eddyann coz i use ur post)
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do you use the same hard disk as mine? any soultion or what is the problem guys? hmm.gif

i dont think because of lack or ram. mine 1GB already with p4HT 3.4G running with a fresh installation WINXP now. it should be fast and speedy with this fresh copy, but i keep getting busy hard disk more than usual. is something like u disable the swap file or disable the L2 cache of your processor to illustrate the slow

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Mar 23 2007, 07:09 AM)
do you use the same hard disk as mine? any soultion or what is the problem guys? hmm.gif

i dont think because of lack or ram. mine 1GB already with p4HT 3.4G running with a fresh installation WINXP now. it should be fast and speedy with this fresh copy, but i keep getting busy hard disk more than usual. is something like u disable the swap file or disable the L2 cache of your processor to illustrate the slow
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mine is WD 80gb....ram also 1gb...the problem is same as u....already formatted twice but still the same...somemore my pc always restart when my hd loaded 'too much'....
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QUOTE(lighter @ Mar 11 2007, 01:20 AM)
3-5 years.. if you're lucky maybe can up to 10 years  brows.gif ..
it will cause your hdd bad sector or die faster..
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so you mean we need to change it very often? how bout if we take a very good care into it.?
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QUOTE(juhairi007 @ Apr 7 2007, 11:09 PM)
so you mean we need to change it very often? how bout if we take a very good care into it.?
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I have a maxthor 120GB HDD,my files seem damaged after i transfer into it,
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What happen actually? What can i do? I m new in HDD... cry.gif
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actually there is more easy way, bump it and throw it from hiigh place,
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i would suggest, good ventilation, my 4 harddisks stacked side by side almost 4 years without issue. tempreture keep between 35 to 48 should be ok ... my on load harddisk tempreture is about 48 when i playing game and stuff.

even when im torrenting ... the tempreture is around 42 only.

also another important thing is the voltage. make sure your PSU has enoght power to supply to your all your harddisk. or else your harddisk start up will have ...vrrrrrr...tek... vrrrrrr...tek.......

my PC start up on 120GB sata1 is like only 20 sen ... without any issue.

just make sure on that lar... i believe harddisk dont die so easily... no big bumb or drop... it should last for more then 6 years .

my PC spec

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QUOTE(zhiyuan @ May 22 2007, 02:53 PM)
also another important thing is the voltage. make sure your PSU has enoght power to supply to your all your harddisk. or else your harddisk start up will have ...vrrrrrr...tek... vrrrrrr...tek.......

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QUOTE(zhiyuan @ May 22 2007, 02:53 PM)
i would suggest, good ventilation, my 4 harddisks stacked side by side almost 4 years without issue. tempreture keep between 35 to 48 should be ok ... my on load harddisk tempreture is about 48 when i playing game and stuff.

even when im torrenting ... the tempreture is around 42 only.

also another important thing is the voltage. make sure your PSU has enoght power to supply to your all your harddisk. or else your harddisk start up will have ...vrrrrrr...tek... vrrrrrr...tek.......

my PC start up on 120GB sata1 is like only 20 sen ... without any issue.

just make sure on that lar... i believe harddisk dont die so easily... no big bumb or drop... it should last for more then 6 years .

my PC spec

Enlight 450W PSU
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1x 320 GB (Pata)
1x 250 GB (sata)
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Hi all, Need help for hardisk bad cluster problem. Recently my PC always hang. I have format once before, cause Window XP detect that my hardisk have UNKNOWN file system. WHY cry.gif ? any way to treat (marking) this bad cluster in order that PC will not save any data on that. Any ideal?

1. Partition?
2. Any sofware to treat it?
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try to do chkdsk on the disk. chkdsk can locate the bad sector n recover it...

try use chkdsk /r in the command prompt.

or u can try to see this tips in this URL..

http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_fix_a_bad_sect...hard_drive.html
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may i know how much d cost for repair a 20GB 2.5'' HDD a?

can repair d ma?
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can anybdy answer my ques plz...

i inserted my frens hdd into my rig..

around 1 hour then my comp always...

really piss off..

any suggestion plzz...i tried lots off thing but never worked..

thanks..
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repairing HDD too costly. better get a new one. doesnt cost u much.

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always what? restart ah? try change ur friends hdd jumper. remove the jumper if there is. n chk the hdd cable. connect ur friend hdd to slave cable. NOT the master cable. try it. might solve it.

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Hey guys, i'm wondering how come i get hdd burnt that easily? Lately, i just got one Seagate 320gb sata drive. I connected it with the cables and it worked well with my Maxtor 80gb sata drive. Few days later, I wanna replace the 320gb as the primary hdd, so i backuped all the files into my seagate harddisk. After connecting all the cables (as previous), screwing the hdd on the holder, etc. My hdd got burnt when i start the com. The smoke really shocked me.. -.-" And then, the other day i tried to backup my files again from the only Maxtor hdd drive with those usb-to-sata cable.. IT GOT BURNT AGAIN!!! Desperate now... Now i dun dare to plug in any hdd, afraid tat it'll get burnt again.. Shudn't be power supply problem rite? Coz the harddisks worked before they got burnt.
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QUOTE(ihz @ Jun 10 2007, 01:12 AM)
Hey guys, i'm wondering how come i get hdd burnt that easily? Lately, i just got one Seagate 320gb sata drive. I connected it with the cables and it worked well with my Maxtor 80gb sata drive. Few days later, I wanna replace the 320gb as the primary hdd, so i backuped all the files into my seagate harddisk. After connecting all the cables (as previous), screwing the hdd on the holder, etc. My hdd got burnt when i start the com. The smoke really shocked me.. -.-" And then, the other day i tried to backup my files again from the only Maxtor hdd drive with those usb-to-sata cable.. IT GOT BURNT AGAIN!!! Desperate now... Now i dun dare to plug in any hdd, afraid tat it'll get burnt again.. Shudn't be power supply problem rite? Coz the harddisks worked before they got burnt.
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How about your others hardware??? Like cd writer, graphics card etc... did it burned??? If yes then it must be your faulty PSU, if not u might try to change the sata power cable... some times the cable inside gt wiring short circuit.... Just my 2cents bcoz I have this experience b4.
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i got 1 hdd problem/faulty. before that this hdd have problem
like sometime can formatted, some time cannot detect at time to formatted..
lastly my hdd already ko.. doh.gif
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1 Leathal weapon to kill hardisk any1 can guess?

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My com is having some booting problems again.

When i switch on my com,it will either stop booting at the Windows loading screen with the HD LED not lit up or blinking or i'll get "Disc boot error.Please insert system disc" after RAM test.Everything back to normal after switch off,unplug and replug my power cable then restarting my com.

This problem occur randomly.It just happen this morning again.I tried rebooting 3 times after that and it still able to enter windows successfully.Last time it happen is somewhere last week.

It happen again on yesterday night.Manage to get inside windows but the system hang on the desktop when Live messenger is loading.Things went back to normal after 1 more reseting.

My current system specs:

AMD Athlon 64-bit 2.0GHz
Gigabyte nVidia 6600GT
1.5 GB DDR400 RAM
Maxtor SATA 120GB hard disk
Asus K8N4-E Deluxe Motherboard
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Currently running Windows XP SP2.My windows is constantly updated.

If you need more information,i'll put up more.

Is this a sign of dying hard disk or there are bad sector?

I have posted a thread in technical support but it got buried under tonnes of new thread.
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1 Leathal weapon to kill hardisk any1 can guess?
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Goodness me...the word "kill" and "HDD" don't know why just reminded me of a dude that i watched on youtube that "shoots his computer (literally, with an actual gun) while he is playing his computer !!"
A gun to the computer. Violence and technology, don't go hand in hand.

--can u imagine if a dude playing FEAR and he gets so damn scared that he removes an actual gun from inside his drawer and shoots the screen...lol !!



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they get guns easily.... we m'sians use the mouse instead... tat's y many mouse in CC kong... and the keyboard also... laugh.gif
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Hi, wanna to ask... got big problem

I have connected a power cord wrongly to my HDD, so when i turn it on, it smelled like burning and i saw little smoke on top of it... the result is: its dead!!

have i destroyed my HDD?? can i just change the small 'motherboard' on the HDD to a new one, or a secondhand, in order to get back to 'life'?

because i really think the HDD is not yet corrupted, only the 'HDD motherboard', because the smoke just came from it, not from other part. I have try to reconnect and on it again and again, but its remain dead... no sign of life.. non!

please someone?

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burn HDD mobo can send to RMA o not? if can, just send it. others, get a new one. nothing much can do. if can send to RMA, u r lucky. but ur HDD have to be under warranty la.
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actually... the value is not the HDD itself, but the data inside....
that's why i am would like to try the best way to retrieve the data...

no warranty anymore...

any suggestion?
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QUOTE(radeon123 @ Jun 25 2007, 09:12 AM)
actually...  the value is not the HDD itself, but the data inside....
that's why i am would like to try the best way to retrieve the data...

no warranty anymore...

any suggestion?
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i saw from web got some "data recovery center" .. even the disk burned oso they can try get out the file in the disk...

but i think the charges will be very $$$$$$$......
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QUOTE(bobmarley @ Jun 10 2007, 04:05 PM)
i got 1 hdd problem/faulty. before that this hdd have problem
like sometime can formatted, some time cannot detect at time to formatted..
lastly my hdd already ko.. doh.gif
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nice guide lex. thumbs up. btw i cannot imagine if my 250gb hdd crash. all my jdramas, kdramas, movies bla bla bla. urghh.
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last 2 year i have all these hdd problems too...

last 2 year i bought a Maxtor 80.0GB IDE used as external drive for saving files and so on! Everytime i use, i have follow the instruction and proper shut down of the external hardrive, including proper disconnect from operating system.

after not even a month, there's a chip named: "SMART" burn! i can see the flame and smokes comes out, tat time... wah! really heartbreak man!

so i send back to service and warranty, the boss over there refuse to gave me the warranty! i keep pushing, complain bout their servicing all tat, in the end, they take my hdd and sent to servicing ! the boss even ask the workers to leaved a notice say: "BURN MARKS FOUND" and tell me its helpless and no hope for ya hdd... i so dammm pissing off man! so angry!!! not even a month !

after 3 weeks, i go claim smiling happily claim my new hdd! this time, i transfer less stuff ... proper shut down everything, not even a drop, after three days ... masuk kilang lagi ! i m so fed up and stop using maxtor tat time! this time, the boss also don care la... leaved it la!

after 2 weeks, i claim back my hdd... this time, i m straight going to trade in and get some money and then purchase other things...

here just to share ! my worse hdd nightmares!
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QUOTE(kayap00 @ Jun 26 2007, 10:21 AM)
i saw from web got some "data recovery center" .. even the disk burned oso they can try get out the file in the disk...

but i think the charges will be very $$$$$$$......
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only corporate sectors will hire such services..
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lolz..got this kind of service sure not many ppl will do one..of coz they can charge mahal mahal de lo.hehe..by the way,i see many opinion le,still duno whether my external 3'5 HDD should lay down or stand o..hmm..doesnt effect much actually rite?
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QUOTE(michaelyii1988 @ Jul 20 2007, 09:17 AM)
lolz..got this kind of service sure not many ppl will do one..of coz they can charge mahal mahal de lo.hehe..by the way,i see many opinion le,still duno whether my external 3'5 HDD should lay down or stand o..hmm..doesnt effect much actually rite?
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erm..how bout the lifespan or wadever leh?got say like if lay down can use longer,stand up will shorten the hdd life kah?
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QUOTE(michaelyii1988 @ Aug 2 2007, 11:19 AM)
erm..how bout the lifespan or wadever leh?got say like if lay down can use longer,stand up will shorten the hdd life kah?
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Added on August 11, 2007, 9:28 pm
QUOTE(ataris @ Jul 10 2007, 09:52 AM)
nice guide lex. thumbs up. btw i cannot imagine if my 250gb hdd crash. all my jdramas, kdramas, movies bla bla bla. urghh.
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if lay down,the face of hdd suppose to head up?coz hdd got 2 face rite..doesnt effect?
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 11 2007, 08:32 AM)
last 2 year i have all these hdd problems too...

last 2 year i bought a Maxtor 80.0GB IDE used as external drive for saving files and so on! Everytime i use, i have follow the instruction and proper shut down of the external hardrive, including proper disconnect from operating system.

after not even a month, there's a chip named: "SMART" burn! i can see the flame and smokes comes out, tat time... wah! really heartbreak man!

so i send back to service and warranty, the boss over there refuse to gave me the warranty! i keep pushing, complain bout their servicing all tat, in the end, they take my hdd and sent to servicing ! the boss even ask the workers to leaved a notice say: "BURN MARKS FOUND" and tell me its helpless and no hope for ya hdd... i so dammm pissing off man! so angry!!! not even a month !

after 3 weeks, i go claim smiling happily claim my new hdd! this time, i transfer less stuff ... proper shut down everything, not even a drop, after three days ... masuk kilang lagi ! i m so fed up and stop using maxtor tat time! this time, the boss also don care la... leaved it la!

after 2 weeks, i claim back my hdd... this time, i m straight going to trade in and get some money and then purchase other things...

here just to share ! my worse hdd nightmares!
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I am downloading using Emule. Sometimes, i downloaded too many movie at the sametime and cause my temoporily folder "pecah". I wanna know if whatever i am doing now will cause damage to my hardisk?
Appreciate your reply.
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wah..u terus dl things into ur ext hdd meh??easily rosak eh..coz nid open many hours o..wad is the meaning of pecah??
and wanna ask..ext HDD can open how long ar??coz i open abt 9-12hours a day with my lappie o.
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QUOTE(radeon123 @ Jun 25 2007, 09:12 AM)
actually...  the value is not the HDD itself, but the data inside....
that's why i am would like to try the best way to retrieve the data...

no warranty anymore...

any suggestion?
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Get back the same type HDD brand and model. Replace the board then can already. ( if inside the hdd did not spoilt)
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hello??ext hdd can open how long o??
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argh my wd passport cant be detected already... bought just last 3 weeks sad.gif
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how if the pc keep restart?izzit the hdd problem?
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argh my wd passport cant be detected already... bought just last 3 weeks sad.gif
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Yeoh guys!!!If your Laptop hardisk is around 59 degree celcius!!Issi t hot?can the high temperature like 59 degree celcius damage the laptop HDD?
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QUOTE(kayap00 @ Jun 26 2007, 10:21 AM)
i saw from web got some "data recovery center" .. even the disk burned oso they can try get out the file in the disk...

but i think the charges will be very $$$$$$$......
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As the other forumer mentioned, it is for corporate whose really need the data to be retrived back as it is very crucial to them.

For home user, we could send the HDD to the company but if you dare to spend for the service.

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My HDD always die...maybe that's the prob...
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but my raptor got sound when reading data, izit got problem one day
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hai everyone,I dont know much about harddisk so I want to learn la smile.gif.if this in the wrong board im so sorry.

can I ask basic question about hard disk here like
"why my hard disk state 66.5g.b for :/c and 8.gb for :/d but at the box said its 80g.b???" and "is a new pc hard disk suppose to be 66.5g.b for the first time use??"

can anyone tell me a bout this basic thing or some where i can find info on that

thank you very much in advance
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QUOTE(skeleton^king @ Sep 18 2007, 12:59 AM)
but my raptor got sound when reading data, izit got problem one day
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Depends, if the sound is getting louder and louder, you better backup all your valuable data. It's going to spoil soon.

QUOTE(lovemychemical @ Sep 19 2007, 06:47 AM)
hai everyone,I dont know much about harddisk so I want to learn la smile.gif.if this in the wrong board im so sorry.

can I ask basic question about hard disk here like
"why my hard disk state 66.5g.b for :/c and 8.gb for :/d but at the box said its 80g.b???" and "is a new pc hard disk suppose to be 66.5g.b for the first time use??"

can anyone tell me a bout this basic thing or some where i can find info on that

thank you very much in advance
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Hmm... From what I know, it's because the computer reads the 80G differently than human do.
80G(computer) = 80 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 85,899,345,920
80G(human) = 80 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000 = 80,000,000,000

This is due to computer is base 2(binary base) which 0=Off , 1=On. So the nearest to 1k is 2^10 = 1024.


Added on September 19, 2007, 7:04 amAnyway, total for your HDD is 74.5G(what I added from figure you given)

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thanks jiaxun,even tho I only understand a few part of it but that sure answer one of my question smile.gif

so,what about when the first time pc been using?? is the hard disk should have exactly 66.5gb free space ???
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I think it should be completely free unless you pre-installed with operating system
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hmm, i'm not sure though, unless he doesn't know there is another "hidden" partition...

darn......my 250gb just went down......need to reformat..all my precious data X(
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Jun 27 2005, 05:13 PM)
how do u know its heat problem? what temp is normal?
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i have 3 runnign hdd and 1 of my sata wont run

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yeah u right, coz ur hdd prob rclxub.gif
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i m very lucy till now even my 2.1gb quntom harddisk still alive
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dont use cheap brand hdd casing. had a very bad experience.
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My western digital hard drive just died. Cannot boot and detect. But still under warranty as its 2 year +. Anyone has tried to get a drive replaced from western digital before? Do I need to bring the disk to their office in PJ.
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if u lazy to deliver the hdd, u can try ask the IT shop to do it for u (for a fee of course)
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Yea the fee is rm50 for the IT shop to do it. Just want to know whether its a difficult procedure to get it replaced. Do they impose a latest date to deliver it after filling up the form on their rma website ?
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Will heavy torrenting kill my HDD faster?
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the Thunder programe, kill my HDD twice, this years tongue.gif


Added on November 21, 2007, 6:47 pmthe Thunder programe, kill my HDD twice, this years tongue.gif

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I think use BT to download for very long time (non stop) may cause HDD to spoil
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QUOTE(paynelsg @ Dec 16 2007, 11:08 AM)
I think use BT to download for very long time (non stop) may cause HDD to spoil
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Not if your HDD temperature remains below 40C or slightly above 40C like 41C or 42C. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Not if your HDD temperature remains below 40C or slightly above 40C like 41C or 42C.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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ic. i would like to know more detail. any internet article on this? or maybe explain?
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BT make HDD load 24/7 and hot.. thats make its spoil.. give a good cooling la..
btw, power supply also important.. incorrect power factor n unstable power also can shorten hdd life

read this www.adrc.com/ckr/hdd_myths.html
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I ve got a 320 gb of ext hdd standin alongside my laptop, vertically, is it better to lay it down? I ve put it standing cos the casing was design to be standing..... (nexstar3 by vantec)
Any suggestion?

And by the way how do u know if ur hdd is overheating, esp if u r using an external hdd? how do u judge it? by touching the covering????

I m cant bear the idea of my ext hdd died with all the animes n series inside...... X(
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What is the ideal temperature for HDD and is there any programme or software that detects the temperature of the HDD? I think I need to install some fan into my pc as it always heats up pretty quickly. Not a good thing I suppose.
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QUOTE("spartacvs")
What is the ideal temperature for HDD and is there any programme or software that detects the temperature of the HDD? I think I need to install some fan into my pc as it always heats up pretty quickly. Not a good thing I suppose.

Try downloading "Hard Drive Inspector Pro" smile.gif I am using the software to monitor my HDD temperature...it will warn you when the HDD is getting too hot. My HDD drives, under normal condition operates at 90 Fahrenheit but when I am downloading things from Rapidshare with HiDownload, the temperature increases up to 105 Fahrenheit. Most HDD nowadays can stand up to 130 Fahrenheit.

Hope this helps biggrin.gif

EDIT: One more thing, if I on the PC 48 hours non-stop, the temperature does not really increase...So far it has only reached up to 115 Fahrenheit. And btw, I'm using 80 GB x 2 Western Digital HDD cool.gif

My previous PC used Maxtor but it gets too hot pretty easy...so I'd recommend everyone to use Western Digital HDD's if you are a hardcore downloader laugh.gif

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Hey, thanks for the suggestion and on another note, will installing more fan actually help to cool the hdd? I did that for my uncle's computer and though with six fan installed, of course with the proper air-flow, the hdd just seems to be hot (based on my itchy finger on the physicality of his hdd) and noisy too.
I thought by installing the fan, it should be make it cool even physically but in my uncle's case, it just doesn't seems so.
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My data is corrupted...

I ran check disc ,

The first time : Just check the system error check box
Errors found and fixed , but data still showing CRC error

The second time: Check both boxes
No problem is found , the data is still showing CRC error

Will copy from the source again fixed the problem? ( BTW , is this normal? My data is still corrupted after " fixing" )
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QUOTE(paynelsg @ Dec 16 2007, 12:36 PM)
ic. i would like to know more detail. any internet article on this? or maybe explain?
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QUOTE(spartacvs @ Dec 26 2007, 11:38 PM)
What is the ideal temperature for HDD and is there any programme or software that detects the temperature of the HDD? I think I need to install some fan into my pc as it always heats up pretty quickly. Not a good thing I suppose.
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Ideal I'd say below 40C. Slightly above 40C around 41C or 42C is still acceptable. Even 45C can be acceptable but not on 24/7 operations I suggest. icon_rolleyes.gif

You can use Everest Ultimate. It'll read every sensor on your motherboard including GC, and HDD icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on January 8, 2008, 11:27 am
QUOTE(spartacvs @ Dec 27 2007, 11:01 PM)
Hey, thanks for the suggestion and on another note, will installing more fan actually help to cool the hdd? I did that for my uncle's computer and though with six fan installed, of course with the proper air-flow, the hdd just seems to be hot (based on my itchy finger on the physicality of his hdd) and noisy too.
I thought by installing the fan, it should be make it cool even physically but in my uncle's case, it just doesn't seems so.
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Yup, installing fan will surely cool you HDD. Try to provide good airflow and make sure the air is going through your HDD and not by pass it. I'm surprised the heat still rising up even with fans on your system. What HDD are you using?

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Will sudden blackout kill our HDD too?
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my laptop's HDD is always displaying 'SMART failure' when it starts up now. no idea what is that, but according to the HP technician, i'd need to change my HDD.

any recommendation as to which brand or how many GB should i get? mine is currently 80GB, but i want a bigger capacity one. i'm super noob when it comes to pc stuff.
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QUOTE(subpar @ Jan 24 2008, 12:25 AM)
my laptop's HDD is always displaying 'SMART failure' when it starts up now. no idea what is that, but according to the HP technician, i'd need to change my HDD.

any recommendation as to which brand or how many GB should i get? mine is currently 80GB, but i want a bigger capacity one. i'm super noob when it comes to pc stuff.
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Is there any such hard disk enclosed that got fans?
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QUOTE(Aborden @ Jun 14 2005, 08:22 PM)
Actually no, Magnets wont kill it. The HDD is magnetically sealed because it does not want interference and all the magnetic waves going throgh the computer.

P.S another way to spoil ur HDD is open its casing. This enables dust to get in between the contacts and the discs, which ruin the hard drive
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only the pallet inside the HDD u cant to repair it..if the pallet inside HDD is fine..u still can extract data inside it..
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This is from my own experience....
I seldom defragments my hdd..but at this once, i've decided to give a go...
suddenly, there was a power blackouts at around 50-70% of defragment process..
When I turned the computer back, the hard disk was gone...no more in Windows...even in BIOS...
that's when I've decided...NO MORE DEFRAGS!!Curse you for damaging my treasure of 80GB worth of data.....

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my 4 month old seagate 320gb dying on me now.. got wierd sound inside when shake, n never drop, bang thing near it also... some how the laser arm is loose n could hear the disc inside spinning when shake... n that one is full with files... omg omg... been using seagate for years no prob.. this one made in china which from day one im not satisfied with the quality, the pin look thin n weak n etc... gonna rma it soon but need to get a new 320gb or 400gb first to salvage what can from it... its a heart break!! cry.gif...
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QUOTE(Setan[X] @ Feb 2 2008, 10:22 PM)
my 4 month old seagate 320gb dying on me now.. got wierd sound inside when shake, n never drop, bang thing near it also... some how the laser arm is loose n could hear the disc inside spinning when shake... n that one is full with files... omg omg... been using seagate for years no prob.. this one made in china which from day one im not satisfied with the quality, the pin look thin n weak n etc... gonna rma it soon but need to get a new 320gb or 400gb first to salvage what can from it... its a heart break!!  cry.gif...
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Why would you shake a harddisk, seriously?

If the "laser" arm is loose, it'll fly around smashing those platters with your data along.

No point in RMA-ing a working hard drive. You'll get it returned with the technician running a diag or two just to return it to you as 'PASSED'
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my laptop ide hitachi harddisk just died after i put the performance setting for about 6 months. sad.gif
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i low level formated my 80gig wd twice. duh. last week i thgt it gone. so i bought a 320gig. then i backup my data then format the 80gig. and it works again -,-
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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 8 2005, 11:31 PM)
These are pretty old but some of those facts still do apply wink.gif

Reference: Eight Ways To Kill Your HDD (Part 1) http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/ibm_maxtor/3.shtml
On the round cable issue, I am using them.. sweat.gif However I always check for qualified and quality ones before buying.. (mine is from CoolerMaster) rolleyes.gif
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about de rounded cable, what if i have 2 bend de cable like L shape, is it ok? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 21 2005, 03:43 PM)
my western digital 40MB still functioning up till now..aint that a record..but no use la 40MB,,maybe now they make hdd lower cost so the lifespan is not that long
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Ur hdd is just only 40MB?How long do it appear at this world? rclxms.gif
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Removable Drive Racks

Aside from the speculations about rounded cables, there are some hard data on removable drive racks. Removable drive racks are casings that can be inserted into a 5.25 drive bay and which hold a HDD inside a casing that can slide in and out the drive bay to lock into a connector in the back of the device. Even though this kind of gizmo does not allow hot swapping of HDDs, it allows removal of a drive at the turn of a key or so the manufacturers claim.

We tested several of these devices with the IBM 60GXP and the unfortunate result was that not a single drive survived in the removable rack for more than a few hours. Symptoms usually started with lagging of the system to go to the Windows splash screen after the POST. This lag continued to get progressively worse over several reboots until the drive finally was no longer recognized at all.

Interestingly, if the drive was removed from the removable racks during the initial stages of errors and hooked up to a standard UATA cable, full functionality was restored immediately. Whenever we waited until the drive was no longer recognized, switching back could not resolve the problems anymore.


A repetition of the above background appears like carrying owls to Athens but   imagine an additional interface with rerouting of the signals from the original cable to a snap-in connector and from there through an additional cable inside the "coffin" to the drive. In short, adding three additional interfaces does not appear a good idea.   Per se, though, the concept is great, though, only, don't use it with anything faster than a UATA/66 drive.


How about this AC Ryan enclosure, http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ACRyan/AluBoxTFX/3.html

user posted image

it does use an "intermediary" connector between the HDD and the USB, is that the same as the above?

Does anyone know? sweat.gif
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My experiece, I bought a new hdd. Very happy. but just when i went out the shop, the plastic bag broke n the hdd drop on the floor. I went back n format it. Everything seen ok. Using it now...
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can i ask here, i use notebook and always scan at airport to going home, someone told me if always scan can cause hard disk damage, that is true?
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i once bought those small fan that can be fitted under the hard disk but the cooling power is not that good. so, i buy the big fan and tie it at the bottom of the hard disk. weird but it do the job in keeping 'em cool since i usually didn't turn off my pc for 1 week or more.
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QUOTE(Alexes @ Mar 28 2008, 12:01 AM)
My experiece, I bought a new hdd. Very happy. but just when i went out the shop, the plastic bag broke n the hdd drop on the floor. I went back n format it. Everything seen ok. Using it now...
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When inactive the HDD can tolerate quite a bit of shock. But to be safe do a surface check to ensure no bad sectors.
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ok let said i put a SATA hdd into an external casing ... i turn it on when i m using it ... and off it while i m not ... will that slowly deter my hdd ?

i know that it will be unusual to turn it on and off very often ... but somehow , in vista , if u let things go by default , the 2nd hdd u installed will went off by itself after a while if u not accessing it. and its kinda stupid , becos u hav to like keep it running all the time by select some song play from this 2nd hdd...
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Actually a test conducted by google shows that a hard disk running at lower temperatures would more likely fail than a hdd which is hotter
Link here: http://technofire.blogspot.com/2007/02/har...ses-google.html

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i'm sorry if my question has been asked b4. does formatting the hdd, over n over again, may spoilt it?? thanx to all sifus
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can damage hard drive be repaired? can i just sent it to pc shop?
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no, frequent formating pc does not damaging it..

yes, physically damaged cannot be repaired..
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i want to gve a shot repair my hd
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1 of the good..habit to take care of your hdd is to install a cooler..(i mean fan), hdd quite hot
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How to kill a HDD - errrr... I would take screwderiver and unscrew every single bit of wiring and metal and smash it all to flat...
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another tips... don't shake your harddisk when its reading the disc...
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QUOTE(anep @ Apr 21 2008, 07:06 PM)
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repairing a hdd or fata recovery service need a lot of money...

If u have the money to spare and got many importance n private data in hdd, it is recomended.

But if not, better throw it or sell it as faulty hdd n buy a new one. now hdd very good price...


Added on April 26, 2008, 12:24 pmanother tips,

if hdd 1st time formatted in vertical position, keep using it in that position.

changing the position of the hdd will shorten hdd life...

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I'm really confused now. I thought rounded cables are supposed to improve performance because they reduce interference pickup and improve airflow?
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hi guys...

after 8-9 months,now my hdd is making a sound i have never heard before...
just want some advice...do you guys think i should trade it in(still under 1 year warranty) or just get a new one...
i'm using a segate 250gb sata

thanks techies of lowyat....really appreciate it
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QUOTE(evolution.dl @ May 6 2008, 06:59 PM)
hi guys...

after 8-9 months,now my hdd is making a sound i have never heard before...
just want some advice...do you guys think i should trade it in(still under 1 year warranty) or just get a new one...
i'm using a segate 250gb sata

thanks techies of lowyat....really appreciate it
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if it is clicking sound i suggest you buy a new one then send the dying hdd to rma. when you got it back sell the either one in garage sale
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agree with arafat...the clicking sound is the sound of near death for a hdd....
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QUOTE(~hunter~ @ May 8 2008, 04:39 PM)
agree with arafat...the clicking sound is the sound of near death for a hdd....
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Very likely if you do a thorough disk check, you will find out there are bad sectors.
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cant anybody help me,my hdd not detect seem to having noise when try to read...
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QUOTE(panda_putih @ May 29 2008, 02:24 PM)
cant anybody help me,my hdd not detect seem to having noise when try to read...
Sounds like the HDD spoiled already. The noise is possibly the drive trying (and retrying) to read the maintenance track. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Alexes @ Apr 26 2008, 12:22 PM)
another tips,
if hdd 1st time formatted in vertical position, keep using it in that position.
changing the position of the hdd will shorten hdd life...
ohhh..really can u give the reason why changing the position during formatting will shorten hdd life..

p/s: 1st time heard about it...i'm shock shocking.gif

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soak ur hard disk in the tooilet bowl sure can 1...
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i have one.. don't put ur harddisk nor ur pc casing near ur subwoofer as it may damage the discs..
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Hi guys..
Wanna get some of ur idea on this:

Recently i had a dead 80GB Maxtor HDD cuz of a short circuit at the harddisk electrical circuit.
Its an obvious short circuit because one of the electrical components had burnt.

So i wanna ask if there is anything as replacing the HDD electrical circuit.
and i wonder that would work..
or is there any other way to revive my HDD without a file lost in it.
any shop offers such repair?

my main intention is not to save money but to retrieve all my data and files inside.
please guide my on this.

my HDD info:
Manufacturer: Maxtor
Model: 6L080P0
80GB PATA133 HDD
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cool your hdd can prolong your HDD life
so do other computer components
a notebook also need to use cooling pad
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QUOTE(felixx @ May 30 2008, 06:48 PM)
ohhh..really can u give  the reason why changing the position during formatting will shorten hdd life..

p/s: 1st time heard about it...i'm shock shocking.gif
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Yala, first time i've heard it. he mean physical orientation? during format?


QUOTE(simpul @ Jun 5 2008, 04:36 PM)
i have one.. don't put ur harddisk nor ur pc casing near ur subwoofer as it may damage the discs..
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yep, cause of the vibration.

QUOTE(cool-seller @ Jun 8 2008, 03:30 PM)
Hi guys..
Wanna get some of ur idea on this:

Recently i had a dead 80GB Maxtor HDD cuz of a short circuit at the harddisk electrical circuit.
Its an obvious short circuit because one of the electrical components had burnt.

So i wanna ask if there is anything as replacing the HDD electrical circuit.
and i wonder that would work..
or is there any other way to revive my HDD without a file lost in it.
any shop offers such repair?

my main intention is not to save money but to retrieve all my data and files inside.
please guide my on this.

my HDD info:
Manufacturer: Maxtor
Model: 6L080P0
80GB PATA133 HDD
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Yes, electrical circuit can be replace. Just need to find a right shop to do that.

QUOTE(aindejeje @ Jun 14 2008, 01:05 PM)
cool your hdd can prolong your HDD life
so do other computer components
a notebook also need to use cooling pad
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But a hdd cooler (fan screwed to hd) kill the hd much faster.

Tips:
1. Just make sure your casing got good air flow. Better yet, use a quality aluminium case. Aluminium case will act as a heatsink for the hd.
2. Do not place 2 hd together. Leave a gap between them.
3. those removable rack is no good coz it didn't mount properly and can cause oscillation/vibration.
4. Mount your hd properly and make sure you tighten it properly.
5. Avoid moving your pc around frequently.
6. Turn off windows hdd power management (eg: hdd turn off after 20 minutes). Set it to never. (Have an experienced with this. My wdc hd died on me because of this power management) HD head will be damaged due to start and stop of the head.


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QUOTE(ecam @ Jun 20 2008, 11:30 AM)
But a hdd cooler (fan screwed to hd) kill the hd much faster.
Can you please elaborate on this more?; magnetic disturbance?vibrations? holds true to ALL brand of HDD cooler?

cause i just started attaching one to my brand new seagate; hate to see it die on me anytime soon sad.gif

Thq
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Will defragmentation kill HDD ?
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Will defragmentation kill HDD ?
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i dont think so..
isn't defragment is to maintain the hdd??

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Hi all! I need help regarding my 500gb external hard drive. Yesterday i did two things that made it corrupted and unreadable. First, I turn it on and off in a short period of time. Second, I remove its USB cable from my PC without clicking Safely Remove Hardware. It's all because my PC keep hanging. I only did it one day and the whole HD is corrupted and it's now in RAW format.

My question is, how to repair it? I haven't format it because I really need all the data in it. How much would I have to pay a shop would you think if I want to recover back all the data? Where is the shop that have such services to recover data from HD? I know there are some softwares that might able to retrieve back the data. I've tried some but fail. Any software that would absolutely repair the HD? I have also tried chkdsk the HD but no response.

Any help and info would absolutely appreciated. Thanks in advance!


Added on June 29, 2008, 8:42 amWhich one of these software is the bestest?

Stellar Phoenix
GetDataBack
Zero Assumption Recovery
R-Studio
Restorer2000 Pro
Activ@
Recuva
Nukleus Kernel
Virtual Lab

Or are there any other big names that I missed?

This post has been edited by adammale: Jun 29 2008, 08:42 AM
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I'm really confused now. I thought rounded cables are supposed to improve performance because they reduce interference pickup and improve airflow?
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Rounded cables had all those signal lines bunched together hence will have bad interference unless they had ground shielding similar to co-axial cable (which I'm highly doubtful of because they are much more costly)



QUOTE(felixx @ May 30 2008, 06:48 PM)
ohhh..really can u give  the reason why changing the position during formatting will shorten hdd life..

p/s: 1st time heard about it...i'm shock shocking.gif
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I really don't think this is valid since high-level format just creates the MBR, file allocation tables and other stuffs which only depends on logical block addressing --> nothing mechanical.

It would be valid for very old HDD and only for low-level formatting which setups the drive's mechanical parameters i.e. track positions relative to head movement. If you low-level format the HDD in horizontal position, and then try to use it in vertical position, the drive configuration might be off due to gravitational pull.
Nowadays HDD are all factory low-level formatted btw.
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Is there any software that can read files directly from RAW hard disk? Am curious here
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Is there any software that can read files directly from RAW hard disk? Am curious here
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By RAW hard disk, do you mean there's no filesystem on it? Coz there has to be a filesystem for files to exists on it. If you are trying to recover files from HDD that has crashed/corrupted, you can use RAW sector read/write tools to try to recover the files but you need to know about filesystem very well.

Try googling for HxD if you are interested to just read/write sectors BUT becareful of what you do with it or you might corrupt your HDD.
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thanks for sharing ts..
it is a very usefull information..

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QUOTE(tgrrr @ Jun 30 2008, 01:14 PM)
By RAW hard disk, do you mean there's no filesystem on it? Coz there has to be a filesystem for files to exists on it. If you are trying to recover files from HDD that has crashed/corrupted, you can use RAW sector read/write tools to try to recover the files but you need to know about filesystem very well.

Try googling for HxD if you are interested to just read/write sectors BUT becareful of what you do with it or you might corrupt your HDD.
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Oh, so there is a RAW sector read/write tools... drool.gif Can I use it to retrieve data from the corrupted hard disk next time? hmm.gif Anyway, I have restored all data from my external hard disk safely by using R-Studio. rclxms.gif Thanks all for helping me out on this one! notworthy.gif Luckily I didn;t resort to send it to shop. If not sure cost a lot. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(adammale @ Jul 2 2008, 05:44 AM)
Oh, so there is a RAW sector read/write tools... drool.gif  Can I use it to retrieve data from the corrupted hard disk next time?  hmm.gif Anyway, I have restored all data from my external hard disk safely by using R-Studio.  rclxms.gif Thanks all for helping me out on this one!  notworthy.gif Luckily I didn;t resort to send it to shop. If not sure cost a lot.   sweat.gif
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not all corrupted hdd can be backed to retrieve data...but some can...sometimes it depend on the software...use r studio...or hook ur hdd at a frens n use DOS...kinda tricky using DOS

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Will defragmentation kill HDD ?
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it supposed to maintain a hdd..
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QUOTE(waif @ Jun 27 2008, 10:24 AM)
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Wont kill, but corrupt if u defrag half way power shut down in a sudden.Im a victim of it.
and formating ur pc as well
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what about to many times format?
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cheh...now hard disk so cheap.. rm260 --640GB spoil liao change lar... important data dont store on ur local disk ... use replication data mah ok liao lor...


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Anyway to recover a crashed hd? I think the header has crashed, it has the "ticking" sound now, and now able to open anymore. Any solutions? Lots of valuable data in there....
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any gud cooler for hdd?
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QUOTE(adammale @ Jun 28 2008, 02:59 AM)
Hi all! I need help regarding my 500gb external hard drive. Yesterday i did two things that made it corrupted and unreadable. First, I turn it on and off in a short period of time. Second, I remove its USB cable from my PC without clicking Safely Remove Hardware. It's all because my PC keep hanging. I only did it one day and the whole HD is corrupted and it's now in RAW format.

My question is, how to repair it? I haven't format it because I really need all the data in it. How much would I have to pay a shop would you think if I want to recover back all the data? Where is the shop that have such services to recover data from HD? I know there are some softwares that might able to retrieve back the data. I've tried some but fail. Any software that would absolutely repair the HD? I have also tried chkdsk the HD but no response.

Any help and info would absolutely appreciated. Thanks in advance!


Added on June 29, 2008, 8:42 amWhich one of these software is the bestest?

Stellar Phoenix
GetDataBack
Zero Assumption Recovery
R-Studio
Restorer2000 Pro
Activ@
Recuva
Nukleus Kernel
Virtual Lab

Or are there any other big names that I missed?
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Did you try using windows checkdisk? Once my hard drive also had a similar problem. I used it and it was fine.

1. Go to run
2. Type cmd
3. Type chkdsk /F (Drive letter)
Eg. chkdsk /F C:
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4 unit 320GB harddisk, 2 Unit 80GB harddisk, 1 Unit 160GB harddisk. various brand all spoil. why?
1. its all internal harddsk but i treat t like external harddisk. sometimes i change to another pc
2. most of the time they are full with video files as i use it for video editing
3. theres a time when i run 8 internal harddisk at once i had to put it sideways for 3mths

i think because the way treat my harddsk thats y they all die or some make weird noise tll in d end die
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hdd death is da most heartbreaking moments to suffer.. all ur movies.. pictures.. memories.. porns.. haha
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I think is better to have backup. Buy an external HDD and we won't have problem if HDD dead. brows.gif
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Hard to practise! Sir , do u think so?
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Hard to practise! Sir , do u think so?
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Agree with u...I think it's waste & of coz gonna to spend some money to buy it..
Let just burn to DVD onli..much cheaper.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(happyman102 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:22 PM)
I think is better to have backup. Buy an external HDD and we won't have problem if HDD dead.  brows.gif
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if u have xternal hdd is more safe to backup ur data..
every month i'll backup all my doc..so didnt need 2 worry if my hdd corrupt..
rarely backup ur data n make restore point...
no need 2 pay looo... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Hi guys, talking about HD, wonder at bios setting one of the setting stated, Sata port 0-1 native Enable or Disable. Anyone know whether to set it to enable or disable. As stated the bios for enable is for native ide mode, disable is for legacy ide mode. I am using all sata HD n even sata drive, so any suggestion or whether to enable or disable, a bit confuse, but when i enable or disable i feel no different at all.
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1st: get urself a external hdd or buy an additional hdd oni for backup... after dat store it properly , don use oftenly
2nd: be a generous person .... always share ur data of ur hdd...when something had happened, u still hav a copy from them... smile.gif
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a cheaper alternative is to burn your data into dvds. may require many dvds but hey it's cheap. keep only the important ones. d rest... well, sharing is caring.
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Aug 29 2008, 07:53 PM)
Hi guys, talking about HD, wonder at bios setting one of the setting stated, Sata port 0-1 native Enable or Disable. Anyone know whether to set it to enable or disable. As stated the bios for enable is for native ide mode, disable is for legacy ide mode. I am using all sata HD n even sata drive, so any suggestion or whether to enable or disable, a bit confuse, but when i enable or disable i feel no different at all.
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since u using all sata i think u can enable it. i have enabled it myself.. but dunno whether got any perf difff la. tongue.gif
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REAALY CAN IT WORKS>?
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can a broken data pin of HDD be repaired ..?
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will frequent reformatting of hard drives spoil the hard drives in any way?
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frequent formatting of the HD will result in faster wear and tear on the harddisk platters.

i also realise that constant downloading of torrents also decreases the lifespan of hdd's.

i normally change hdd's every year and a half due to extensive usage(when u start hearing a funny loud sound then its time.haha)

ssd time....
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no wonder..and my hard drive seems to be making a lot of noise lately and its only a year old. sad.gif
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probably upload to a hosting website also can backup .... rapidshare ?



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bt my hdd can't run at the CM casing (IDE) it got power n the hdd don't hv power lolx~~~
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is that real??,,,
next time i will 101% careful,,,
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if we defragment our computer frequently, will this spoil our HDD..??

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is the myth i once heard about hitachi hard disk (not good,write anti clock wise so on and so forth..cannot recover data and etc..) true??
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then why so many ppl stil over clock their pc?

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I think it's should be "8 ways to kill your DATA..."
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lol, nice, but who would do such thing? shocking.gif
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who wan to destroy his hdd, give it to me, pm me
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Oh, it's my pleasure to help you kill your HDD, just give your HDD to me !
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what about continously using it?


my fren got WD Book 500gb.
both damaged.

he bought it early this year
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Are we talking about damaged HDD or damage data??
Damage HDD is very difficult to recover...(Unless send it back to factory)
For damage data tthe new good solution is Recuva by Piriform.
www.recuva.com

If FAT or NTFS is corrupt, just quick format and use recuva deep scan. Remember not to overwrite our corrupted datas.......
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I had 2 HDD, one seagate 200G, and a WD 250G burnt recently. Yes burnt! I could smell the smell of IC chip burnt coming from my external casing. Electrical engineeers will be familiar with this smell smile.gif.
Anyway with a voltmeter I measured the voltage. It seems that theryre 4 points from the power cable of the ext casing, and the voltage was reversed!!!! 12v and 5 volts was reversed. Of course the IC's on the HDD pcb which only could receive 5 volts got a surge of 12 volts and that only meant meltdown.

Anyway I was really pissed because all the warranty for these brands only offer swap, meaning that its a one for one exchange minus the data. I went around lowyat and asked and theyre were charging at least 1500 ringgit for 200G regardless of the hardisk being used up to its fullest capacity or not.

I found this place on a website through google search http://www.mdr-xp.com/ and they provided data recovery services if it was hardware fault. Well this place is great cause unlike the places in lowyat, he said he could give home user rate rather than corporate rate which was expensive. It was much more reasonable. When I went there, I had lecturers from UM, and staff from companies coming in with their fauly HDD's and other people. He explained to me off the record that these days, HDD are not really built to last. Not suprisingly,he gets a lot of fault repair orders these days

So anyway word of advice is from all this, is dunt get cheap ext casings, cuz u may never know, i was using this casing for more than 2 years already. Be always prepared for data loss, you may be lucky that your HDD may last 10 years or it may not, but always use stuff like NAS with raid1 or do data mirroring on a backup HDD if you really value your data
Cheers

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Do BT kill your HDD?how about direct download?any prove?if we dont download what else to do??????
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Do BT kill your HDD?how about direct download?any prove?if we dont download what else to do??????
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BT indirectly kills your HDD because of excessive read and write cycles. I wouldnt say that IT WILL kill, but it will shorten its lifespan because all HDD has a life cycle.
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That's why I use cheapest available HDD for safety purpose when torrenting...anyway does OCing ur cpu and ram affects your HDD??
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That's why I use cheapest available HDD for safety purpose when torrenting...anyway does OCing ur cpu and ram affects your HDD??
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LoL, no way i think unless the excess heat from all your OC is being blown onto the HDD. In fact OCing you RAM and CPU means faster computation of program strings and scripts and also RAM availability meaning less need to access your HDD read write cycles. Still keep safe and mirror your data or use a fileserver or NAS for backup. Investing 1000 bucks(or less) in a NAS would give you a peaceful state of mind with regards to your data safety.
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torrenting broke the hdd.
good discusion..go on..

can hdd be oc its rpm??
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i bought my 120gb 2.5" samsung about 6 months ago, and now it shows this on every boot up at the bios:

1720-SMART Hard Drive detects imminent failure (failing attr : 01)

really kanasai la... it's not cheap WEHHHHHHHHH
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does the warranty can cover up this dead HDD?
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My hard disk has 24 Raw Read Error Rate from the SMART value obtained from SpeedFan.

Is this a sign of bad sectors in my HDD. When I used CHKDSK to scan my partition, sometimes there errors and sometimes windows will just say that it has finished checking without any probs.

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...I found this place on a website through google search http://www.mdr-xp.com/ and they provided data recovery services if it was hardware fault. Well this place is great cause unlike the places in lowyat, he said he could give home user rate rather than corporate rate which was expensive. It was much more reasonable. When I went there, I had lecturers from UM, and staff from companies coming in with their fauly HDD's and other people. He explained to me off the record that these days, HDD are not really built to last. Not suprisingly,he gets a lot of fault repair orders these days...


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Yeah MDR. I also have sent my hardisk over there for data recovery. For me they offer the best price for us home users thumbup.gif. The problem i had was because of the hardisk temperature rise too high (overheating) causing it to automatically stop function. Upon inspection they conclude that the chipset which control the temperature reading were faulty. They said the reason of this happening was because of short circuit from unstable power source. So my advice for all, always use AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator) to connect your pc to the power source.

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My hard disk seems to produce a grinding kind of sound at times. When that happens, my Firefox will get locked up for 3-5 seconds that return to normal again. My windows explorer also seems to slow down/lag when that happens.

Is it a sign of a dying HDD? My hard disk is only about 2 years old.
When I perform like disk scan on my hard disk, the performance will deteriorate even further. While performing the scan, the grinding noises get more frequent and my Firefox tends to lock up more while browsing.

The grinding sound is the kind of sound when the hard disk is seeking stuff from the drive but its continuous and really loud too.

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What if the HDD was submersed with water and was dried out for at least 5 days. It is going to work after all the process?
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Found out that the problem had something to do with Firefox 3 reading and writing too much to the disk cache.
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throw into the river
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guys, for MDR... i sent in my Seagate Bara 500GB for recovery, but they spend days to verify ... but they failed to recover for me and sent it back to me FOC... really good service and professional

So now can anyone suggest what should i do with my HDD since it is warranty void ?

1. Throw it high from 13th Floor
2. Burn it with fire
3. Throw it into the lake
4. Slam it with a hammer

I will upload the video once i did any of the above
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open ure hdd casing...look at the platters....
and SMASH IT with a hammer.

(watch out for flying particles)
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QUOTE(cscheat @ Nov 26 2008, 03:32 PM)
guys, for MDR... i sent in my Seagate Bara 500GB for recovery, but they spend days to verify ... but they failed to recover for me and sent it back to me FOC... really good service and professional

So now can anyone suggest what should i do with my HDD since it is warranty void ?

1. Throw it high from 13th Floor
2. Burn it with fire
3. Throw it into the lake
4. Slam it with a hammer

I will upload the video once i did any of the above
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Add some corrosive acid on it. Handle with cares. rolleyes.gif

@ Btw, my HDD never get killed~ icon_rolleyes.gif
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smash it with hammer
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why don't u do all of it?make a picture chronology.haha thats should be fun to share rclxms.gif
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open ure hdd casing...look at the platters....
and SMASH IT with a hammer.

(watch out for flying particles)
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Add some corrosive acid on it. Handle with cares.  rolleyes.gif

@ Btw, my HDD never get killed~  icon_rolleyes.gif
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smash it with hammer
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why don't u do all of it?make a picture chronology.haha thats should be fun to share  rclxms.gif
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I've had a problem here, but I don't know if it's in relation to my harddrives or not....

Recently the whole windows is running quite slow. Even games like warcraft III oso I kept on having 'jerks' as though it's going to crash or hang or something similar.

I tried defragging it once and it got better, but it is still "jerking"...

So, again, is the problem caused by faulty hard drives or something else?
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What's the purpose of trying to kill the HDD? If you dont want it, why get it in the first place? Just curious... smile.gif
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how to kill my hdd without opening the removing the casing.
i wanted to kill my fren hdd not mine....
EVILLLLLL
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hi, i think you didn't have to kill your spoil HDD.

Tried to sell it through online auction website. A spoil HDD can be sell from RM10 to RM20.
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any software or batch file that when u run it in windows can kill of the HDD instantly? eheh

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how to kill my hdd without opening the removing the casing.
i wanted to kill my fren hdd not mine....
EVILLLLLL
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throw the hdd into a wall or floor.
will do the work.

it did on my old hdd ^^

reason: got tired of the old hdd making noises and decided to get a new one. thumbup.gif
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one more way is to torrent 24x7
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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Dec 26 2008, 12:28 PM)
one more way is to torrent 24x7
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really can kill hdd if we use torrent 24/7?
Coz I never turn off my laptop for about 1 month because of downloading...
really scared me.... shocking.gif shocking.gif
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really can kill hdd if we use torrent 24/7?
Coz I never turn off my laptop for about 1 month because of downloading...
really scared me.... shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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not really.. even if you on 24/7 also, hdd can last for atleast 3years.
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i heard hdd that come near to a powerful magnet will mak the hdd crazy.
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yo guys, any other way to determine whether ur HDD died alr or not?

i've tried connecting it thru other SATA ports on my mobo = failed

test it in another PC = failed

the last thing tat i haven't tried yet is using it as slave...

so the verdict? died d? sad.gif
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QUOTE(Sib @ Dec 27 2008, 09:03 PM)
yo guys, any other way to determine whether ur HDD died alr or not?

i've tried connecting it thru other SATA ports on my mobo = failed

test it in another PC = failed

the last thing tat i haven't tried yet is using it as slave...

so the  verdict? died d?  sad.gif
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try putting it as a slave a.k.a storage setting
if cannot also .. then reformat ur hdd, delete partition and create a new one .. if cannot, then dead.
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can i gave like a program to kill my hdd.
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can i gave like a program to kill my hdd.
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why use a software when you can use a hammer / axe .. i saw a video on youtube.
Click here !

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why use a software when you can use a hammer / axe .. i saw a video on youtube.
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anyone can be a hacker now..
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If I always store and delete date from my hardisk, are my hardisk fast to be dead hardisk? hmm.gif
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just lost my 40gb WD hdd. without smart error.. just lost itself. not detected by bios. Tried on different machine.. same result. RIP. Lost all my psd files. LoL.
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If I always store and delete date from my hardisk, are my hardisk fast to be dead hardisk? hmm.gif
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what is the use of the hdd if you're not going to store and delete the files in your hdd ?
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QUOTE(Shafique @ Dec 31 2008, 10:00 AM)
just lost my 40gb WD hdd. without smart error.. just lost itself. not detected by bios. Tried on different machine.. same result. RIP. Lost all my psd files. LoL.
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Nvm, new year ... time for new hdd... brows.gif
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HOW CAN I RECOVER THE MEMORY AFTER REFORMAT BUT I DUN KILL MY HDD.
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hdd?
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hdd?
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spammer ?
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yeah..this thread so cool...thx for make this thread
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anybody hav any solution for repairing hdd??
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just get the recovery software.. u can buy online or just try to find at market...sure you can recover all ur HDD..even the lost doc..

be safe with EXCELENT Antivirus..
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QUOTE(motherboard_barai @ Jan 16 2009, 01:18 PM)
just get the recovery software.. u can buy online or just try to find at market...sure you can recover all ur HDD..even the lost doc..

be safe with EXCELENT Antivirus..
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be noted that not "all" data can be recovered ..

and btw, are you a kaspersky reseller ?
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can i kill my hdd by opening my cpu for 30 days wifhout shutting down??
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QUOTE(ChAinGaNg @ Jan 16 2009, 08:22 PM)
can i kill my hdd by opening my cpu for 30 days wifhout shutting down??
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no you will not screw up your hard disk if you dont shut down for 30 days.
but you will screw it up just by connecting 24v into it ..
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will my HDD spoil if there is too much electric current going through?
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i learnt how to kill HDD
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one the fastest way to kill the HDD is when the power cable red and yellow is install on the other way....haha..happen to me, lost two HDD in the blink of eye...luckily got warranty from WD as it used less than 3 years...but all the data gone with the wind...they gave two new hdisk...

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Wah, the molex connector is key, how are you able to plug it in reversed. LOL
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Wah, the molex connector is key, how are you able to plug it in reversed. LOL
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QUOTE(nash9701 @ Jan 17 2009, 12:23 PM)
i know...two molex i don't know howcome i install the wire reversed...others is OK...huhu

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I did that once and my HDD started to smell burnt. heh reverse voltage.
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why everybody keep saying that maxtor a bad drive.?
been using this brand since 1999, 100, 133, sata I with raid 0 and sata II and still working fine.
decide to change to seagate (raid 0) 6 months ago and it fail me just yesterday morning.

is it because i betray maxtor for changing to seagate.......... biggrin.gif ?
maybe it just happen that i got the bad one probably.

p/s......currently on my still working maxtor.

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QUOTE(KoQaiN @ Jan 26 2009, 07:10 PM)
why everybody keep saying that maxtor a bad drive.?
been using this brand since 1999, 100, 133, sata I with raid 0 and sata II and still working fine.
decide to change to seagate (raid 0) 6 months ago and it fail me just yesterday morning.

is it because i betray maxtor for changing to seagate.......... biggrin.gif ?
maybe it just happen that i got the bad one probably.

p/s......currently on my still working maxtor.
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seagate currently have issues with their hdd ..

try checking out the thread in hardware section .
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so which brand is the best?
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Perhaps it is a good time to convert to Flash memory. thumbup.gif


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lol...wait for solid state hard drive then...
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sorry menggangu.. tongue.gif

i just wana ask smthng..

my friend says that if we format so many times, it can damage the hdd..

true or false?? wink.gif
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How about suddenly take out the USB cable out (using external h/disk) w/out 'properly click "remove usb ddvice from window"

it kill the hdisk or not

been doing that quite some time (always)
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all of u pernah watch csi season 4 i think...when grissom open one hdd...that him show how to open n fix it...i laready forget lolz
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CSI is tv show la. Sometimes is true, sometimes is not true. If you are taking statistic for a long enough period, i guess there is no one good brand. Likewise, there is no one bad brand too. Every company has so many different batches of products, and no one company is always on top. Intel went down too, and AMD had it's peak. But now Intel up again, and AMD is down.
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QUOTE(skovoski @ Feb 10 2009, 12:44 PM)
sorry menggangu..  tongue.gif

i just wana ask smthng..

my friend says that if we format so many times, it can damage the hdd..

true or false??  wink.gif
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yes it will .. but what can you do ? sure need reformat lor .. if no other option .. then terpaksa reformat

QUOTE(anistova @ Feb 11 2009, 08:05 AM)
How about suddenly take out the USB cable out (using external h/disk) w/out 'properly click "remove usb ddvice from window"

it kill the hdisk or not

been doing that quite some time (always)
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won't rosak .. only data might lost ^^
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Rounded Cables

Some companies have gotten really cute with the design of what has become known as rounded cables. Depending on the manufacturer, the ribbons are sliced into single or multiple strands and then bundled tightly. In most cases, there should be no problems, however, there have been numerous suspicions on many bulletin boards about rounded cables causing higher coaster rates while burning CDs. Likewise, users of rounded cables appear to suffer from abnormally high failure rates of HDDs. Again, this could be pure coincidence but it is food for thought, at least.


just wanna ask 1 question
is above statement means v r not advised to use rounded SATA cables??
mine is rounded SATA cable, how to solve this problem icon_question.gif
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i dun think hard disk cn be killed easily
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QUOTE(yuktsi14 @ Feb 18 2009, 03:14 AM)
i dun think hard disk cn be killed easily
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I guess you haven't tried leaving them on 24/7 for 365 days or the latest problematic firmware batch from Seagate sad.gif

QUOTE(anistova @ Feb 11 2009, 07:05 AM)
How about suddenly take out the USB cable out (using external h/disk) w/out 'properly click "remove usb ddvice from window"

it kill the hdisk or not

been doing that quite some time (always)
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You might lose data if the files get orphaned or stuck in the drive cache.

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is there any significant risk on hdd failure if i ask sumbody in malaysia to buy a hdd, boxed in foam and posted to me oversea?
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QUOTE(xelrix @ Feb 20 2009, 02:59 AM)
is there any significant risk on hdd failure if i ask sumbody in malaysia to buy a hdd, boxed in foam and posted to me oversea?
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IMO of course there is because you will never know the procedure during the postage as they might not treat the package carefully.
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well, assuming they do their job properly and carefully, do the foams prevent damages to the hdd from shock and vibration?
or lets say they just going thru shock and vibration just that one time and i take care of it really carefully for its whole life, does the hdd lifespan will be reduced significantly?
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I agree with Xelrix and most of time oversea seller will do a good job make sure it is properly pack however it is the handling that is always the problem ... it might get tossed around as they can't understand what fragile means ... Good luck ordering you HDD and pray it comes in one piece.
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QUOTE(WIlds @ Feb 22 2009, 10:49 PM)
I agree with Xelrix and most of time oversea seller will do a good job make sure it is properly pack  however it is the handling that is always the problem ... it might get tossed around as  they can't understand what fragile means ...  Good luck ordering you HDD and pray it comes in one piece.
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Wah, i about to buy HD online..

Sked edi now

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post Mar 3 2009, 07:49 AM

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Nice thread...err,as for how many times HDD can be formatted and all,isn't formatting juz another process of write/read...unless we do quick format,the HDD juz perform a simple process of cleanup..however,if we do low level formatting,than the HDD needs to re-write its tracks and ssector..

Am i right? hmm.gif
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post Mar 3 2009, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(cscheat @ Nov 26 2008, 03:32 PM)
guys, for MDR... i sent in my Seagate Bara 500GB for recovery, but they spend days to verify ... but they failed to recover for me and sent it back to me FOC... really good service and professional

So now can anyone suggest what should i do with my HDD since it is warranty void ?

1. Throw it high from 13th Floor
2. Burn it with fire
3. Throw it into the lake
4. Slam it with a hammer

I will upload the video once i did any of the above
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I do not know if its too late to answer you but many shops which sell spare parts in Low Yat plaza especially those run by middle east guys buy back these faulty HDDs. Sure, you may not even get 40 percent of market value but instead of disposing it in an un-enviromentally friendly way, you may as well make a buck out of it.
So anyone of you guys who have voided warranty HDD's take note of this.
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post Mar 3 2009, 06:18 PM

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Yup,there is aslo a lot of recycling centre that u can throw away the HDD for instant $.I also do that couple of time.
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Tipping Over of Cases

By far the most common damage to drives occurs through mechanical interference. The level of stress depends on the operational state of the drive, that is a drive that is not powered up will withstand some 300 G over 2 msec whereas in a drive that is up and running, 30 G suffice to cause errors and bad sectors. 30 G sounds rather high but any case tipping over and falling on a non-carpeted floor will easily exceed this value. The typical consequence is that the next bootup will terminate with the well known Chrrr, chrrr, chrrr ..... where the splash screen used to be.

Guys so when u boot up ur comp no sound coming from ur cpu...???o.O

Bcoz mine yea. It sounds kreekkk,kreekk.
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May i know what is the problem if my CPU can't detect my external HDD?
Previously can, just lately can't..
I connected to my laptop, can..
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post Mar 13 2009, 12:02 AM

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my 1TB already can't detect, lots of file lost, warranty already out, my hdd produce weird sound, huhuhu, anyone can help?...
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QUOTE(Maxd38 @ Mar 12 2009, 01:27 PM)
May i know what is the problem if my CPU can't detect my external HDD?
Previously can, just lately can't..
I connected to my laptop, can..
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maybe u have problem with ur CPU USB ports, try connect it to different USB port..
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post Mar 16 2009, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Maxd38 @ Mar 12 2009, 01:27 PM)
May i know what is the problem if my CPU can't detect my external HDD?
Previously can, just lately can't..
I connected to my laptop, can..
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There wud be a chance of spoiled driver...reinstall the driver
may help fix this condition.
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post Mar 27 2009, 10:54 PM

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wanna ask, my hdd couldnt be sensed by computer after a gentle fall onto the floor, can it be repaired? sad.gif
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post Mar 27 2009, 11:30 PM

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I dont think its repairable....for most u can try to claim for warranty....act inocent =)
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post Mar 29 2009, 04:38 AM

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but dont mention about that gentle fall..
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post Apr 2 2009, 09:56 AM

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Use a cap ayam HDD mobile rack that was too tight,no fans,made of plastic.Fried my hard disk in a week,heat issues:(
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Thks for the information.
But I still love to OC...
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post Apr 3 2009, 11:35 PM

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My portable hard disc........
Certain files in the disc damaged and corrupted.......after the HDD accidentally slide out from the pocket and banged on the floor hard....... sad.gif
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post Apr 8 2009, 07:29 AM

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I had mine crash by tipping over; will regret the day it happened. Lost all the data.

As for the HDD; fortunately it was still under warranty. They couldn't recover anything but replaced it with another one.



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Lost all the data?
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i just kill 320gb maxtor sata. use less than 1 year but dont know where the receipt.

the pc (or windows) always crash. already try many thing so i kick the pc. after reboot windows complain missing operating system. the hard disk sound clik click click. i know the game is over.


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what about the position of the external hdd?is better when it is standing or laying down?
standing as in the side part is at the bottom,the other side on top.
laying down as in normal just like we place hdd internally.

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My Maxtor OneTouch III 750GB just died not long ago. It's not even half a year yet since I bought this HDD. Anyone experience the same thing? Where should I claim the warranty from? Thanks.
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QUOTE(siamarcus @ Apr 19 2009, 05:01 PM)
My Maxtor OneTouch III 750GB just died not long ago. It's not even half a year yet since I bought this HDD. Anyone experience the same thing? Where should I claim the warranty from? Thanks.
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You can call up the shop you bought it from to ask. Usually when you buy it, there should be a warranty card or something to provide you with warranty information.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/about/con...echsupport-apac

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