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post Aug 22 2010, 12:32 AM, updated 16y ago

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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
Martin Broughton

Manager :
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Roy Hodgson

Assistant Manager:
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Sammy Lee

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Steven Gerrard

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League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
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Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
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2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 7
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2000-01 ; 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
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1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
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European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
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Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:33 AM

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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
The statue of former manager Bill Shankly, outside Anfield

Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:33 AM

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Liverpool Squad 2010/2011


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Top Scorers For

BPL:
Steven Gerrard 2
David N'Gog 1
Fernando Torres 1

Europa League:

David N'Gog 5
Joe Cole 1
Lucas Leiva 1
Steven Gerrard 1
Ryan Babel 1
Dirk Kuyt 1

Carling Cup :

David N'Gog 1
Milan Jovanovic 1

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Liverpool FC 2010/2011 Fixtures


July 2010

17 Jul 2010 Friendly Al-Hilal A 18:00 [canceled due to flooded pitch]
21 Jul 2010 Friendly G'hopper A 18:30 [0-0]
24 Jul 2010 Friendly K'slautern A 15:15 [0-2]


August 2010
1 Aug 2010 Friendly Borussia M A 13:30 [1-0]
15 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Arsenal H [1-1] -David N'Gog
23 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Man City A 20:00 [3-0]
28 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League WBA H 15:00 [1-0] -Fernando Torres


September 2010
12 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Birmingham A 16:00 [0-0]
19 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Man United A 13:30 [3-2] -Steven Gerrard x2
25 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Sunderland H 15:00

October 2010
2 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool H 15:00
17 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Everton A 13:30
23 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackburn H 15:00
31 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 13:30

November 2010
7 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Chelsea H 16:00
10 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Wigan A 19:45
13 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Stoke City A 17:30
20 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League West Ham H 17:30
28 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Tottenham A 16:00

December 2010
4 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Villa H 15:00
11 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League N'castle A 15:00
18 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Fulham H 15:00
26 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool A 15:00
28 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Wolves H 15:00

January 2011
1 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Bolton H 15:00
5 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Blackburn A 20:00
15 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Everton H 15:00
22 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 15:00

February 2011
2 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 20:00
5 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Chelsea A 15:00
12 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Wigan H 15:00
26 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League West Ham A 15:00

March 2011
5 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Man United H 15:00
19 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Sunderland A 15:00

April 2011
2 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League WBA A 15:00
10 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Man City H 15:00
16 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Arsenal A 15:00
23 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Birmingham H 15:00
30 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League N'castle H 15:00

May 2011
7 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Fulham A 15:00
15 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 15:00
22 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Villa A 16:00

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post Aug 22 2010, 12:35 AM

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Liverpool Football Club Cup Fixtures


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The Quotes


Roy Hodgson



Journalists suggested to Hodgson that he had arrived at the club ahead of a pivotal season. Again the tactician was philosophical.

"Every day I drive into the training ground I see the year 1892," he said. "In two years' time the club will be 120 years old. I won't get involved in discussions about pivotal seasons. I realise you people have got to do that because every day's pivotal in your promotion of the news.

"If you don't mind, I'll take the 120-year view. There'll be plenty more games to be played and titles to be won."


Reporters quizzed Hodgson on whether he was envious of the financial clout available to City boss Mancini.

But the boss replied: "I'm never jealous. I am in a position I want to be in.

"I am working for a club I have always wanted to work for, and I think it is for other people to be jealous of me - not for me to be jealous of other people.

"It would be very, very sad if someone as fortunate as I have been in my career starts getting jealous of other people."

Rafa Benitez
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Sammy Lee
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Steven Gerrard
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Fernando Torres
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Xabi Alonso

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Reina


from Martin O'Neill after 0-1 defeat against Reds

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"Their keeper made a great save in each half, particularly the one from Stewart Downing - it was a great, great save. And then there was the one from Gabby later on. We had two go inches past the post too.


Sami Hyypia

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Match Highlights


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post Aug 22 2010, 12:37 AM

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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.
Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.


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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.


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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

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Summer Transfer In and Out



IN:

- Player In - Team
- Brad Jones - Middlesbrough
- Christian Poulsen - Juventus
- Fabio Aurelio - Unattached
- Danny Wilson - Rangers
-Joe Cole - Unattached
-Jonjo Shelvey - Charlton Athletic
-Milan Jovanovic - Standard Liege

OUT:


- Player Out - Team
- Alberto Aquilani - Juventus
- Phillip Degen - VfB Stuttgart
-Alberto Riera - Olympiakos
- Yossi Benayoun - Chelsea
- Mikel San Jose - Athletic Bilbao
-Robbie Threlfall - Bradford City
-David Martin -MK Dons

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New season, bring it on !!!

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you didn't update the list on "i'll shave my head if Liverpool wins either BPL, Europa, any sort of cups or even get number 4 this season."


LOLZ (refer to previous thread)
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liv vs manc wat time?

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Joe Cole :

1st game - red card
2nd game - miss penalty

Things can't get even worse I think
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Aug 22 2010, 01:33 AM)
Joe Cole :

1st game - red card
2nd game - miss penalty

Things can't get even worse I think
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3rd game - 1st goal

4rd game - Hatrick

can it be that way??? icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Aug 22 2010, 01:33 AM)
Joe Cole :

1st game - red card
2nd game - miss penalty

Things can't get even worse I think
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3rd game - own goal
4th game - give away penalty at last minute to lose 2-1
5th game - injury for 6 months

lol..

im kidding.. *touch wood*

should be:

3rd game - 3 goals
4th game - 4 goals
5th game - backheel goal at 90 mins... to win 2-1

anyway...

i really dont wanna see Kuyt go.... sad.gif
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Aug 22 2010, 01:27 AM)
liv vs manc wat time?
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tuesday 3am..
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wow..its really good to see liverpool defence is getting better .

seems taller players work huh...if u disagree u are living in fantasy football.
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benayoun first goal for chelsea...
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^cuz hes injury prone i guess,well anyway cant wait for tuesday morning,hope we gonna win this one,we really need to start winning,a draw again will hurt everybody morality,a loss will hurt even more of course unsure.gif
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^cuz hes injury prone i guess,well anyway cant wait for tuesday morning,hope we gonna win this one,we really need to start winning,a draw again will hurt everybody morality,a loss will hurt even more of course unsure.gif
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I do not think it is a good reason.
He's injury prone but fit enough to play for Juventus?

Both Gerrard and Torres were "injury prone" last season too.

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A year long loan with Juve paying the wages and opt to buy him for 17 mil. But don't you think a year is just too effing long? Oh well, i guess we'll keep up with his performance there

Bring on citeh!!


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Cant see Ngog being palyed on Europa match.

so can i say?
Ngog for BPL
Babel for Europa

I do hope both of them shine as they were highly rated and I also rate them highly since back then. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Aug 22 2010, 01:14 AM)
you didn't update the list on "i'll shave my head if Liverpool wins either BPL, Europa, any sort of cups or even get number 4 this season."
LOLZ (refer to previous thread)
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Reviewing yesterday's Arsenal match, Blackpool had a man sent off (just like our boys last week), but being thumped 6-0 in the process while our boys stayed on the lead until the last minute.

Although it wouldn't be fair to judge teams based on this kinda comparison, I'm somewhat proud and confident of our current team this season. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 22 2010, 03:38 AM)
Any reason to get rid of Aqualani?
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Roy said he can't guarantee to Agualani that he will be in the first team week in and week out (if he is match fit).
Anyway I am not too happy with this loan move, Roy should have stick with him half a season since he is match fit and see how he goes from there.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 22 2010, 04:38 AM)
Any reason to get rid of Aqualani?
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I still believe lfc board is not willing to risk aqualani, in a way a good opportunity to bury rafa's trail.


On the note a the huang's pullout; I'm sure there will be a PR exercise to play down fans dissapointment, possibly even a put down that his bid falls short the clubs expectation.

Well, it now paves the way for hicks & gillett to buy LFc ... Oh I meant the yahya kirdi blush.gif

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aqualani was so highly rated and bla bla bla

but now..

ruin career liao , if i was him
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we shudnt loan out our 20m midfielder out... either sell him or keep him... wat for we pay the money, 20m n loan him out the following season without givin him the deserved time to prove himself on pitch... if masch confirmed to stay much earlier, then we wont hv bring in the poulsen... i rather poulsen not coming n keep aqua...at least for another season
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i think aqua played less than 10 games , lol

our xabi alonso replacement =.=''

while another team goes hitting 20+ million players x 6

lol
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Actually, according to the Roma official site that published the fee last season, we only paid like 3-4m for him...The rest of installments and clause depending on how many games he plays.So,he isn't really 20m rated tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 08:15 PM)
Actually, according to the Roma official site that published the fee last season, we only paid like 3-4m for him...The rest of installments and clause depending on how many games he plays.So,he isn't really 20m rated tongue.gif
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LOL! Really? Thank goodness for payment-by-installments for football players then. At least we didn't pay the full 20 yet. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 08:15 PM)
Actually, according to the Roma official site that published the fee last season, we only paid like 3-4m for him...The rest of installments and clause depending on how many games he plays.So,he isn't really 20m rated tongue.gif
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taken from rawk

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The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 5 million EURO upfront
- 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearances, 70 appearances, 105 appearances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.


so far we paid 17M euro with all add ons not valid and a further 5M euro next summer

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end of the day v stil nid to fork out the 20m for aqua no matter wat.. Sigh
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QUOTE(skyz @ Aug 22 2010, 09:52 PM)
end of the day v stil nid to fork out the 20m for aqua no matter wat.. Sigh
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Pound and Euro got difference.So, it's still better than paying him full... smile.gif


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taken from rawk
so far we paid 17M euro with all add ons not valid and a further 5M euro next summer
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17m?

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The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 5 million EURO upfront
- 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010

- 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearances, 70 appearances, 105 appearances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.


Thought we only paid the bold part...So, 15m Euro , no?



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u guys really into accounting yes?haha,anyway thank god Juve will pay Aqua cheques from now on
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i only see he's comin with nothing improvement after a year loan...

i still happy qith current team without him.. better sell him
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Newcastle kicked Villa's ass with 6 goals... Good for us?
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It just shows that Martin O'Neil had such influence on the team morale.

I wonder, if our lads can trample them over.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 10:32 PM)
Newcastle kicked Villa's ass with 6 goals... Good for us?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 10:32 PM)
Newcastle kicked Villa's ass with 6 goals... Good for us?
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tot villa kicked newcastle 3-0
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Kuyt confirms Inter Milan offer
Sunday 22nd August 2010 12:46

Kuyt: In a 'luxury situation'

Dirk Kuyt claims Liverpool have been made an offer by Inter Milan for his signature and the Dutchman is weighing up his options.

The Dutchman's agent revealed earlier in the week that the Serie A giants were keen to take his client to Italy.

The reigning European champions are currently bossed by ex-Anfield chief Rafa Benitez, and he has been linked with a number of his former charges.

Among those the Spaniard is hoping to snatch is hard-working winger Kuyt.

Benitez is well aware of the many qualities the Holland international could bring to his side and is reported to have lodged a £15million bid.

Kuyt has stopped short of revealing the details of the offer put to Liverpool, but has admitted that an approach has been made.

He has given no indication as what he intends to do next, but is reported to have told a Dutch newspaper: "On Thursday night, during the Europa League game against Trabzonspor, the board of Liverpool informed me officially that they have received a fax from Inter.

"You can call this a luxury situation for me now."

Kuyt, who has 70 international caps to his name and turned out in this summer's World Cup final, has been with Liverpool since 2006.
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NO WAY ! Kuyt must not leave sad.gif There goes again ...
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not again,we finally managed to kept torres and gerard,but now kuyt..haih sad.gif
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Why Kuyt wanna go to Italy anyway .... Inter Milan cannot win titles meh ?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 10:18 PM)
Pound and Euro got difference.So, it's still better than paying him full... smile.gif


Added on August 22, 2010, 10:21 pm
17m?
Thought we only paid the bold part...So, 15m Euro , no?
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my bad, 15M euro which is about 12m pounds...total up to 16m when we pay them next year

still a waste of money no?wonder why hasn't rafa come knocking the door for him wink.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2010, 10:18 PM)
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The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 5 million EURO upfront
- 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearances, 70 appearances, 105 appearances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.

Added on August 22, 2010, 10:21 pm
17m?
Thought we only paid the bold part...So, 15m Euro , no?
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Based on posted info, you still need to pay the other 5 mil on 2011.
So it is still a 20 mil deal. Whether it is installment or how the installment deal, it doesn't affect the total/initial amount dealed.

Somemore with loan out, mean it is still a Liverpool player which run its course of original contract signed.
Just wages may not need to pay for loaning out player.

So basically, you save the wages by loaning out the player, but since the players contract still running, aka the nearer the contract expired, the less value of resale value.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 22 2010, 11:33 PM)

Added on August 22, 2010, 10:21 pm
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17m?
Thought we only paid the bold part...So, 15m Euro , no?
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Based on posted info, you still need to pay the other 5 mil on 2011.
So it is still a 20 mil deal. Whether it is installment or how the installment deal, it doesn't affect the total/initial amount dealed.

Somemore with loan out, mean it is still a Liverpool player which run its course of original contract signed.
Just wages may not need to pay for loaning out player.

So basically, you save the wages by loaning out the player, but since the players contract still running, aka the nearer the contract expired, the less value of resale value.
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If the news are right, the supposed loan deal of Aquilani to Juventus included a clause where Juventus can buy Aquilani anytime during the deal.In other words, as long as we offload him before 30th June 2011, we will be able to save that 5m, providing that the news and the detail reported are correct.

Nothing to worry about, if Aquilani does well, good for him and we can save the 5m.If he doesnt do well, no big deal, we still save on the wages for this whole season and a good chance for the youngsters to step up and shine.The most important thing is to get him back to fitness for next season, if he stays, that is.

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MU draw,better than villa loss.very good for us rclxms.gif
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WOAH Newcastle 6-0.. haha.,. nice one...

i dont want kuyt to leave.. sad.gif
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i only foresee a 2 nil win for us as we are playing away.......

Torres should open his account this time and a new signing will score, who??
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QUOTE(digilife @ Aug 23 2010, 07:30 AM)
i only foresee a 2 nil win for us  as we are playing away.......

Torres should open his account this time and a new signing will score, who??
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Jova! biggrin.gif I believe we are good enough to get a win at City!
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0-1 win is good enough already.
Man City is not a so so team especially at home.

Liv away record always not good to start with.
RH with Fulham time, away record also not something very good.
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RH will play a VERY defensive game again wif Torres as the lone striker.....

why he hav to play Torres?

because Torres is FAST and he will take 2 MC defenders to trail him , RH will pack 5 defenders and Gerrard will be the link to any attack upfront
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2010, 04:06 PM)
0-1 win is good enough already.
Man City is not a so so team especially at home.

Liv away record always not good to start with.
RH with Fulham time, away record also not something very good.
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yeah, lets not be too carried away, RH's fulhamFC last season was credited with 1 Away Win.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 23 2010, 05:07 PM)
yeah, lets not be too carried away, RH's fulhamFC last season was credited with 1 Away Win.
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whereas we hav all three and dun forget Gerrard too

i guess the defence is our KEY area tonite
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But Balotelli is much more better than Torres, as what is said by Mancini... laugh.gif

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/22/roberto-mancini-mario-balotelli-manchester-city

He said, Balotelli can do more than torres. We may have torres, but they have Balotelli, who is a much better player than Torres, according to him. tongue.gif

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WE hav a freaking GOOD defence this season thumbup.gif
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WE hav a freaking GOOD defence this season thumbup.gif
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yes, and we have a keeper who scores goals, how freakin' cool is that!! He saves and even scores!
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and even Silva agree with us,my sig lol laugh.gif
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It has been eight games without a defeat against City ... but now they are completely in different class especially with much better qualities in their squad and we've become 2nd favorite to win there tonite..

come on Woy! make us dream again!
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city has a good team now,but i believe in our team icon_rolleyes.gif
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i juz overheard a fon conversation tat Liverpool is giving "Level and Half Ball" for tonite match, which literally means Liv will win by a ONE goal margin
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 23 2010, 08:35 PM)
city has a good team now,but i believe in our team icon_rolleyes.gif
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we still not good enough?? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Aug 23 2010, 09:37 PM)
we still not good enough??  biggrin.gif
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we look better now...
i believe this season Ngog n Lucas will shine, who knows...


wub.gif my Ngog & Lucas....
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QUOTE(azrulkamal240 @ Aug 23 2010, 09:55 PM)
we look better now...
i believe this season Ngog n Lucas will shine, who knows...
wub.gif my Ngog & Lucas....
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quote my word
" both of 'em can be good IF we got a good wide creativity skillful player. ''

why?

all lucas job is juz take the ball n pass to the player
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all ngog job is juz scored the goal passed by the player


so
lucas is playmaker
ngog is scorer
player is a star
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:04 PM)
quote my word
" both of 'em can be good IF we got a good wide creativity skillful player. ''

why?

all lucas job is juz take the ball n pass to the player
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all ngog job is juz scored the goal passed by the player
so
lucas is playmaker
ngog is scorer
player is a star
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and.... the PLAYER is JOE COLE..... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Aug 23 2010, 05:22 PM)
But Balotelli is much more better than Torres, as what is said by Mancini...  laugh.gif

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/22/roberto-mancini-mario-balotelli-manchester-city

He said, Balotelli can do more than torres. We may have torres, but they have Balotelli, who is a much better player than Torres, according to him.  tongue.gif
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Mind games mahhh...
Didnt you play Football Manager? hhahaha..
Well, Balotelli is a good striker... No deny...

A win will be a bonus for us, judging from the fact that we finished 7th last season..
Nevertheless, we got an upper hand where ManCity is just a team who have a lot of star players, but they still need time to gel among themselves..


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and.... the PLAYER is JOE COLE.....  rclxms.gif
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Unfortunately he isnt with us today....


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Mascherano goes on strike????

sos: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=5739
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Aug 24 2010, 01:32 AM)
Money-crazed Rafa-Fanboy.. if he doesnt wanna play, then dont let him. i hate passionless players.
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Mascherano goes on strike????

sos: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=5739

cmon Torrest...show Mancini that u r much better than Balotelli
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 24 2010, 01:34 AM)
i can understand his reasons for wanting to quit but why punish the club when there isn't a proper bid? shakehead.gif
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let him go...if his heart is not @ club...no point keeping him d....

btw can joe cole play later? i tot he kena angpow when vs arsenal
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Joe cole faces a 3 match ban.
Mascherano... don't do this to the club sad.gif
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starting from this game the ban?
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Hmm..the news is from Harry Harris though..take it with a pinch of salt...
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starting from this game the ban?
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Yes that's right. A straight red is always followed by an automatic 3 match ban, more if FIFA decide to punish the player further.
The club didn't appeal so it will stand.
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QUOTE(stargazer_7 @ Aug 24 2010, 01:49 AM)
Hmm..the news is from Harry Harris though..take it with a pinch of salt...
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Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carragher, Skrtel, Kuyt, Gerrard, Lucas, Jovanovic, Ngog, Torres. Subs: Jones, Babel, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Maxi, Poulsen, Pacheco

4-4-2 it seems...no masch
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Dammit, can't believe Harry Harris is right for once. Probably this is part of his 10% true stories. tongue.gif

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doh.gif y la masch did tis to us... T___T wat if til 31aug stil no proper bid for him, then roy gonna let him rot in the reserve team?? sweat.gif
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isnt masch injured??


Added on August 24, 2010, 2:28 amok, i think the masch rumours are true, since skysports have also reported it. why would he do this after we decided to loan out aquilani?

btw, there are reports linking us with david trezeguet

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Masch for caceres + hleb and 12m isn't too bad, though we don't really need another centre back and we have too many players in the mould of hleb playing in the 'hole'. And if Aquilani is not required, what more hleb? of course, he can be a makeshift right winger, replaceing kuyt who can then play upfront with torres.
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Masch for caceres + hleb and 12m isn't too bad, though we don't really need another centre back and we have too many players in the mould of hleb playing in the 'hole'. And if Aquilani is not required, what more hleb? of course, he can be a makeshift right winger, replaceing kuyt who can then play upfront with torres.
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exactly, i dont see how hleb could be of any use. if masch does leave, we will need a replacement DM.

i'd rather barca offer us a decent left back and bojan krkic instead
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looks like masch is leaving after all, well in my mind he already left us, and his last game for us against arsenal was just awesome, it looks like 442 2nite ? off topic a lil, i wonder since masch is on his way and aqua already out, arent we lack a little depth in centre of midfield ? unless roy is looking to promote spearing.
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Aug 24 2010, 02:48 AM)
looks like masch is leaving after all, well in my mind he already left us, and his last game for us against arsenal was just awesome, it looks like 442 2nite ? off topic a lil, i wonder since masch is on his way and aqua already out, arent we lack a little depth in centre of midfield ? unless roy is looking to promote spearing.
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Got gerrard, lucas, cole, and poulsen playing in the middle..enough maybe? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Aug 24 2010, 02:50 AM)
Got gerrard, lucas, cole, and poulsen playing in the middle..enough maybe?  hmm.gif
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looks like i'm gonna stream again  cry.gif
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http://atdhe.net/23007/watch-manchester-city-vs-liverpool-fc
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First 20 minutes, from what i see is that theres definitely chemistry in our team as compared to last season's. Though abit underestimating City.
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http://iraqgoals.net/11894-manchester-city...erpool-fc-.html

this works for me. our team look like we lack the pace and fitness
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man city the better team by quite a margin.
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we dont seem any better off than last season...stil under shadow of last season...
torres is nt ready... ngog abit lightweight... lack of creativity... we cant seem to giv threats to mcity's defence... sigh
imo, johnson is fast n oni player doing great on pitch, not our johnson thou...
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it seems liverpool have no chance at all . Not even one shot on target . we can't carry on the ball long . a while the ball is given to mancity players. zz
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v are losing the midfield battle clearly..hopefully poulsen will play..with masch doing sum girl like sulking v have no choice to play lucas..he was okie but gerrard is forced to sit deeper than usual..torres lacks match fitness..its gud to see gerrard playing with so much passion
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fully dominated. wad a 130m pounds spending.
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take Torres OUT
put in a fast runner as striker

Better luck in second half
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cut the team some slack, if anyone of u realise, we are playing 442 for the first time for a long long time....

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take Torres OUT
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Better luck in second half
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take Torres OUT
put in a fast runner as  striker

Better luck in second half
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got other striker meh?btw i only see a lil quality play from our team in the last 3 minutes,even roy approved,hope 2nd half its a different ball game from liverpool
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Torres is NOT ready Yet doh.gif

i rather hav Pacheco
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whats with the self-destruct button ?
Its only half a game.
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can we Win?

maybe 1 2 final score

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Lolz ... dream on XD

If its torres or gerrard then maybe. Not Ngog tonight. He has been weak footed all night. (Too much leg excercises ?)

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Sad ... sad day for liverpool ...
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Added on August 24, 2010, 4:17 amWTF how DID WE NOT SCORE?!?!

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i don get why the hell u all make so much noise here. compare the 130m pound spending pls.
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Aug 24 2010, 04:35 AM)
i don get why the hell u all make so much noise here. compare the 130m pound spending pls.
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if liverpool need 130m pound to improve.. it means we're really really bad...
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kalah .. biasa lar for liverpool .
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and you call yourself a fan. you want permanent winning streak then gtfo.
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torres really getting on my nerves lah.. dunno whats wrong with him.. is it bad luck all over again?
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It's time to put a proper left back. Agger isn't one, clearly. And Skrtel looks clumsy to me tonight. Perhaps should bring back Carra and Agger partnership again.
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7th again this season?
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those Man city boys are really showing their moneys worth infront of their big boss! come on LFC!!!
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those Man city boys are really showing their moneys worth infront of their big boss! come on LFC!!!
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With a perfomance like this,maybe worse than 7th
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Pacheno in
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Hmm, we'll be relegated. That's for sure.
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QUOTE(rururun @ Aug 24 2010, 04:48 AM)
Hmm, we'll be relegated. That's for sure.
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u guys give up already ka? what la..
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again. hi troll.
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Aug 24 2010, 04:43 AM)
It's time to put a proper left back. Agger isn't one, clearly. And Skrtel looks clumsy to me tonight. Perhaps should bring back Carra and Agger partnership again.
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this i agree, torrid game for agger, getting tormented by adam johnson time and again. a. johnson has been by far the best player on field, outshining all the stars on field. well for the 3 games i've watch so far in which jova have performed on the left, well i like his energy, a lil pace and work rate but in terms of creativity and cutting edge going forward in the final 3rd, i'm not sure if he's good enuf to start every game. he's similar to kuyt imo..

well, masch went on a strike, aqua loaned off, and poulsen just played his full debut a few days ago, i guess thats why roy decided to go 442. probably we wont see this again, but i was hoping for gerrard to play off torres since cole is suspended... well we had our moments at times with shots at hart, he saved well. no complains about the scoreline, manc was much more sharper in every department tonight. next up, hope for better reaction in turkey. again, not an easy place AND we need new owners asap.
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I dont think relegation is possible. Maybe liverpool needs more time to get used to Roy Hodgson after so many years with rafa bigshitnez. Torres is not fit yet but i look forward to the next liverpool match. smile.gif
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Only 1 lose, you start moaning we going to regelated..

how about wigan, blackpool..

what kind of are you
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i don get y the hell u calling everyone troll.
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dont tell me u cant differentiate between a genuine comment and a stupid one.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Aug 24 2010, 04:49 AM)
again. hi troll.
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What, predicting our final position when the it's only the 2nd match of the league?
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read their comments la bro...  doh.gif

dont tell me u cant differentiate between a genuine comment and a stupid one.
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kudos to Hart! we've tried..
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i didnt torch up any anger.. apa la u bro...

i just wanna say 'hi' .... im being polite.


anyway,

YNWA...
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2 games with BPL big boys, just lose 1 game then start whining being relegated... rilek ah.
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Liverpool's awesome chance in the 2nd half with a square from kuyt was thwarted by hart. He is shining again for MC. Guess given's butt is glued to the bench biggrin.gif Hart played the 2 games awesomely biggrin.gif
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on paper our first 11 stand no chance even wif their reserve, wat more the main players laugh.gif


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Chill. We had 2 tough games so far. You can't predict the next 36 games.
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I dunno but from wat I see, basically Liverpool was going to the stadium of Manchester City looking for a draw instead of a win, not until they were a goal down and there onwards, im afraid its abit too late. Clearly, the Reds are being outshoned by the City tonight.

Majorly, we are -
1. Playing style is predictable and we lack visions and creativity(missiing Cole, any1?)
2. Easily losing ball possesion.
3. We need a strong DM who can break down plays like Mascherano that can release Gerrard without him tracking back too deep to help out defence..
4. CLEARLY, what we lack, most importantly, is LUCK.

Its still early to give up though consider its the 2nd match of the EPL, But then again.. hopefully it doesnt turn out that bad this time..

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QUOTE(LucasPSS @ Aug 24 2010, 04:59 AM)
I dunno but from wat I see, basically Liverpool was going to the stadium of Manchester City looking for a draw instead of a win, not until they were a goal down and there onwards, im afraid its abit too late. Clearly, the Reds are being outshoned by the City tonight.

Majorly, we are -
1. Playing style is predictable and we lack visions and creativity(missiing Cole, any1?)
2. Easily losing ball possesion.
3. We need a strong DM who can break down plays like Mascherano that can release Gerrard without him tracking back too deep to help out defence..
4. CLEARLY, what we lack, most importantly, is LUCK.

Its still early to give up though consider its the 2nd match of the EPL, But then again..  hopefully it doesnt turn out that bad this time..
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seriously we're nt good enough... difficult for us to squeeze in top 4 wit the lik of manc(s), chelsea n arsenal in front... lfc isnt competent, nt until the two bloody owners OUT... where's the promised 15m transfer kitty? we can oni sell our good player to buy... sigh... money does matter even some might think money cant buy trophies... n torres, letting me down again =(
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pool being raped by city..
Hodgson have a tough job ahead of him..
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we clearly need reconstruction....

jovanovic and agger were totally outshone

we need a left BACK!!!

and we need another quality striker to support off torres... he needs more support.

ARGH..damn man city...=(

we need the new owners FAST!!!

we need that 150m transfer kit!!!

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Dejavu again people?

With a 3 - 0 lost , means tat we had our player's morale down. I still remember how we couldn't pick ourselves up after the 1st few defeats.

Hope it goes another way this time , Finger crossed. YNWA.
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QUOTE(skyz @ Aug 24 2010, 05:01 AM)
seriously we're nt good enough... difficult for us to squeeze in top 4 wit the lik of manc(s), chelsea n arsenal in front... lfc isnt competent, nt until the two bloody owners OUT... where's the promised 15m transfer kitty? we can oni sell our good player to buy... sigh... money does matter even some might think money cant buy trophies... n torres, letting me down again =(
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Torres didn't look match fit to me. I thought he was a little rushed to start this game, a tough one at that. And Cole's and Masch's absence were a telling factor tonight as well. I really think that Aurelio (is he fit in the first place?) should be starting at LB instead of Agger who's a natural CB. Another disappointment tonight was how cheaply we gave the ball away. Lucas still can't pass the football. Johnson and Jova dribble straight to "brick walls" sometimes. I hope the team manages to adapt to RH's playing style sooner rather than later.
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QUOTE(LucasPSS @ Aug 24 2010, 04:59 AM)
I dunno but from wat I see, basically Liverpool was going to the stadium of Manchester City looking for a draw instead of a win, not until they were a goal down and there onwards, im afraid its abit too late. Clearly, the Reds are being outshoned by the City tonight.

Majorly, we are -
1. Playing style is predictable and we lack visions and creativity(missiing Cole, any1?)
2. Easily losing ball possesion.
3. We need a strong DM who can break down plays like Mascherano that can release Gerrard without him tracking back too deep to help out defence..
4. CLEARLY, what we lack, most importantly, is LUCK.

Its still early to give up though consider its the 2nd match of the EPL, But then again..  hopefully it doesnt turn out that bad this time..
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stil v need to create our own luck... hw often panic moment on j.hart we can see during the whole match...
yes we're predictable (typical liverpool way of playin) n v need more players lk joe cole... gerrard is the oni liverpool tat plays wit passion, lik alwaz... spraying passes but his teamates keep wasting n losing the ball...
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QUOTE(digilife @ Aug 24 2010, 05:04 AM)
the new leader fr the town of Manchester, MC icon_idea.gif  no more MU
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this is not funny considering mancity is taking our place as top4 now.

with that kind of lineup I am sure we are going thr to win the match , midfield and left side just been raped by them and tough game ahead for us but still YNWA, never give up till the end
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Oh well, we deserved to lose. The sad thing is that City weren't as good as what people would be saying. Adam Johnson and Tevez aside, they were pretty average. First goal was due to non-existent marking, 2nd was down to poor defending (Man-marking vs Zonal, anybody?) and 3rd was brilliant individual effort by Johnson.

Credits to Roy for going for an attacking formation, but we fell flat on our faces and had no answer. It was clear that we were losing the battle in midfield and we needed a proper holding player.

Nevertheless, there's no need to sound the alarm yet as it's still early days. At least we've gotten 2 tough matches over with.

On a sidenote, I was thinking how Rafa would've set the team up given the circumstances. Probably a 4-2-3-1 with a makeshift holding player next to Lucas. Would we have done better? Perhaps muster a draw? Back then there was a lot of talk on nullifying opponents, in which today's case we failed to contain Johnson and paid the price. Agger and Jovanovic did fairly ok to stop him to a certain degree, but what happened to Lucas and Gerrard? If anything, the first goal was partially Gerrard's fault for allowing Milner (?) so much space.
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this is the kind of moment when i'll listen to heavy metal songs while watching our glorious moment in youtube... sobering...
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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Aug 24 2010, 05:10 AM)
i think we are not categorized as big four anymore..hahaha!

first defeat but do you think we gonna win againts manure, chelski and assenal in away game?

i still feel that we should win again arsenal that day.

im not sure whether i can say torres not fit enough but that should not be a reason rite? and Ngog too lembik la. Shud play babel instead.
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calling it we are going to face relegation and 7th place is not liverpool style and all glory hunter can gtfo and go support mancity now.there is still 108 points to go..108 ,the moment tevez score the penalty i have the urge to punch hick and tom head.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Aug 24 2010, 05:10 AM)
3rd was brilliant individual effort by Johnson.

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remember chelsea lost to wigan last season 3-1 and manu lost 2-0 to fulham last season , give up only we lost 10th match otherwise stand up and back up our team , what the player will feel if we as supporters already give up on first 2 match?stand up and back the team , city strategy works against us and it is still early to correct our mistake now
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Aug 24 2010, 05:10 AM)
On a sidenote, I was thinking how Rafa would've set the team up given the circumstances. Probably a 4-2-3-1 with a makeshift holding player next to Lucas. Would we have done better? Perhaps muster a draw? Back then there was a lot of talk on nullifying opponents, in which today's case we failed to contain Johnson and paid the price. Agger and Jovanovic did fairly ok to stop him to a certain degree, but what happened to Lucas and Gerrard? If anything, the first goal was partially Gerrard's fault for allowing Milner (?) so much space.
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Liverpool has the quality to win whatever opponents, to be frank.. But somehow, when the game started, they way they play made me feel that they are looking for 1 point instead of 3 points(usually happens on matches with big guns).. Or i would say, afraid to drop points.. But still, We cannot be looking for draws whenever we play with the big boys, right?

IN regards of whether its gerrard fault anot, IM thinking that he has been shouldered with different tasks and responsibilities which causes his dip of form and perhaps mistakes like wat u say?

He's liek an ironman. He needs to track back to defend, He needs to be the one breaking plays, he needs to be the one making plays and spraying passes, he needs to be the one pulling liverpool out from deep shite..

He could have done beter if his task was just to make plays, creating passes and scoring goals without worrying on the defence or well, vice versa. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(leaF @ Aug 24 2010, 05:19 AM)
remember chelsea lost to wigan last season 3-1 and manu lost 2-0 to fulham last season , give up only we lost 10th match otherwise stand up and back up our team , what the player will feel if we as supporters already give up on first 2 match?stand up and back the team , city strategy works against us and it is still early to correct our mistake now
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Yes yes, I agree totally. It's still very early days. In RH we trust!
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QUOTE(skyz @ Aug 24 2010, 05:09 AM)
stil v need to create our own luck... hw often panic moment on j.hart we can see during the whole match...
yes  we're predictable (typical liverpool way of playin) n v need more players lk joe cole... gerrard is the oni liverpool tat plays wit passion, lik alwaz... spraying passes but his teamates keep wasting n losing the ball...
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ur making me imagining if we have alot of joe coles.. LOL drool.gif

Torres
joe Cole
Joe Cole, Mascherano, Gerrard, Joe Cole.
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Reina.

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"His head has obviously been turned by the offer from Barcelona but unfortunately, at the moment, the fee that the club thinks is the correct fee and the fee that is being offered is very far apart. Unless that can be resolved he might be unhappy for a long time to come.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...-masch-omission

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bye2 mascherano.. if he's behaving like that.. i see no point in fielding him inside the pitch.. doh.gif

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emotions and biasness off..

its not about winning or losing 1 game..
its not about there were only 2 games and the season is still long ahead..
its not about predicting the future, and living the past (last season disasters)..

its about how we played like shit..
and how deep shit we're in..

optimistic vs denial..at the bottom of our hearts we know we're in real deep shit..coz we care
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yes we were without joe cole, this was the excuse i had when the match is over

but hang on a minute, didn't we played against arsenal for 45 minutes WITHOUT him? wink.gif

i seriously have my doubt with 4-4-2, not gonna work with the players we have. Both CM are way too deep to have any impact in the game, which probably explain why on numerous occasion Torres have to come so deep just to get the ball.

My guess is this Masch on strike thing had happen last week before the europa league game, Roy tested 4-4-2 with Cole on the wing and both Torres and ngog up front in the later stage of that game.
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the Roy honeymoon ending so soon? Lets see what the Roy-loving British press will say about this...
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bye2 mascherano.. if he's behaving like that.. i see no point in fielding him inside the pitch.. doh.gif

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716
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no point keep a player like that whose heart is else where
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can anyone tell me since when liv played 4-4-2 against strong teams at away games??...i juz cant figure out what in Roy's mind when he put those 4-4-2 lineup..what even mind boggling is,even m.city only played with lone striker in tevez at their home turf!..maybe he's over confident???or juz plain stupid???..give me 0-0 bored fest anytime against 3-0 whacking! shakehead.gif




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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 24 2010, 06:29 AM)
for me he's a gone case the moment he declared he want to quit liverpool...but someone in this forum says he's professional enough to give 100% eventho he clearly unhappy...well i guess his professional act stop after arsenal game ehhh rolleyes.gif
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layan the game when we're 1 goal down...looking at RH 1st 11, i know i'm gonna see some comeback goal yg gempak2
but heck,no luck at all moreover did u see how MC keep possesion + lure liverpool player to run around cam budak skolah..huhuhu

hope this just early season hiccup...YNWA
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listen up,about the team morale,remember we still got 2 matches to play this week,and good thing is we are on the front seat to win the 2nd leg against Trabzonspor,a win there and a win then against lower table team West Brom on Sunday sure gonna give us a morale boost back nod.gif
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 24 2010, 09:03 AM)
listen up,about the team morale,remember we still got 2 matches to play this week,and good thing is we are on the front seat to win the 2nd leg against Trabzonspor,a win there and a win then against lower table team West Brom on Sunday sure gonna give us a morale boost back nod.gif
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listen up,about the team morale,remember we still got 2 matches to play this week,and good thing is we are on the front seat to win the 2nd leg against Trabzonspor,a win there and a win then against lower table team West Brom on Sunday sure gonna give us a morale boost back nod.gif
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How i wish it will be that easy for us. As you know we like to do things the hard way sad.gif
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3-0, its not the scoreline that hurts, its the way we played. dare i say, rafa will never have "tested" a FLAT 442 formation , away from home, against the best squad in the premier league WITHOUT 2 NATURAL wingers who can actually CROSS the ball. I don't remember we ever got outplayed this badly under rafa ( could be rose tainted memories :-P )

Im afraid we MAY have hired a manager that is suited to a lesser team, i.e win your home matches and do what you can for away games. You dont finish in the top 4 with kind of thinking ... sigh....
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What a wake-up call... 3 - 0

At least now Liverpool know where they stand. Cash investment is hard to come by, so the players have to stick together... no excuse.
...That's what RH would always tell his players.

Mashy should respect the fact that it was Liverpool that re-ignite his career, the least he can do it respect the board decision and play... He did signed a contract also ma... why footballers now a days like that one.
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QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 24 2010, 08:49 AM)
can anyone tell me since when liv played 4-4-2 against strong teams at away games??...i juz cant figure out what in Roy's mind when he put those 4-4-2 lineup..what even mind boggling is,even m.city only played with lone striker in tevez at their home turf!..maybe he's over confident???or juz plain stupid???..give me 0-0 bored fest anytime against 3-0 whacking! shakehead.gif
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agreed.why play 442 again a very pacey team...huh..under rafa doesnt remember goes down 3-0 like this one...huh
very dissapointed..but hey..head up ur head..there will be golden sky at the end..hope so..


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Given that both Jova and Kuyt are actually strikers and not midfielders, we effectively played with two midfielders : Gerrard and Lucas!

I would either haved played Poulsen and Maxi in place of Lucas and Torres (let him come on later) or Poulsen and Agger again in place of Lucas and Torres, and played Carra as LB with Soto & Skrtle as CBs. As it turned out, I think we were out-skilled (Johnson & Milner) and outmuscled (De Jong & Toure) in the middle.

Perhaps RH is still getting to know his players and has overestimated Torres and Gerrard. This is a major hiccup!?

The only positive thing about it is that this has happened early ..
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Aug 24 2010, 10:49 AM)
Given that both Jova and Kuyt are actually strikers and not midfielders, we effectively played with two midfielders : Gerrard and Lucas!

I would either haved played Poulsen and Maxi in place of Lucas and Torres (let him come on later) or Poulsen and Agger again in place of Lucas and Torres, and played Carra as LB with Soto & Skrtle as CBs. As it turned out, I think we were out-skilled (Johnson & Milner) and outmuscled (De Jong & Toure) in the middle.

Perhaps RH is still getting to know his players and has overestimated Torres and Gerrard.  This is a major hiccup!?

The only positive thing about it is that this has happened early ..
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I hope that's truly the case as it was pretty obvious after the first half we were overrun in the midfield, yet it took so long for a substitution to take place.

On a sidenote, nobody seems to be pointing out Roy's "weird" decision to take out Torres or the poor man-marking that led to the 2nd goal. Bloody ass-licking media c*nts.
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a little controversial, but anyone else hope that we get knocked out of europa league as soon as possible? for me, its just a cash cow for the owners. who cares how we fare against the lesser teams in europe.


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QUOTE(digilife @ Aug 23 2010, 06:12 PM)
they dun hav Torres,Ngog,Jova
whereas we hav all three and dun forget Gerrard too

i guess the defence is our KEY area tonite
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i understand the season is long, I dont want to sound like I'm one of the few who will chime in "told you guys so"
I hate that. i would wish for things to turn out right for Liverpool FC. but clearly there are FAR too many outside distractions from the TOP that has made the club not as shinning beacon amongst the clubs in England.

excuses will be offered sure of having RH to bed in with LFc.

I for one like players like torres, monster masch. They have been shinning star players for liverpool, I never will call these players passionless. BUt its clear that there is an underlining discomfort in LIverpool amongst the players.

WE looked out of sorts against City. come on we are clearly quite similar players that would stride side by side against arsenal last week. RH tactics? Is it all masch fault? also are we missing cole?

Brighten up your eyes my fellow liverpool fans. I take caution we will have more of similar nightmare games like this if the situation up there doesnt improve.

I'm not the type to stand up first & critique javier. but its fundamental that liverpool look at themselves before we go bust ala LEEDs & Newcastle as before. Dont be too sure that it will not plague us (yet). I'm not a meassager of doom nor some fellow forumers here too but LFC needs a therapy session & they better do it fast.

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the masch timing was not correct at all..but it is okie v will bounce back surely..should have played poulsen instead of lucas..even kuyt looks off form. v were beaten by the pace of man city.. torres lacks match fitness and yeah he is used to play alone upfront.. anyway it was nice to see us playin 4-4-2 after so so long..cme on joe cole..v need u..
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i've said before IF liverpool avoids defeat in the first 5 games, we are on the right path.

2 games, no win yet. yes its too early to push the panic button. in my 30+ years supporting LFc, its this season I fear the most.

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QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 24 2010, 08:55 AM)
for me he's a gone case the moment he declared he want to quit liverpool...but someone in this forum says he's professional enough to give 100% eventho he clearly unhappy...well i guess his professional act stop after arsenal game ehhh rolleyes.gif
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Well, I will admit that I am one of those. Comes as a real surprise to me that he decided to effectively go on strike. He has always given his best out on the pitch right until now. cry.gif

What made the shit hit ceiling so fast shocking.gif !?! Did something happen behind the scenes? Has RH misjudged the players' sentiments. Personally I think letting Aqualani go on loan was a stupid decision but that's just me. Too much love for Joe Cole? RH's fondness for all things Brit making the foreign legion feel unwanted?

Also, i makes me wonder, did Liverpool ever even try to make Mash's family feel settled? If that is really the reason why he wants to leave. I remember a while back when 'Big' Sam was at Bolton, before he became 'Big' - he and the club was well known for getting the most out of foreign players - the club hired all sorts of attendants, translators etc to make the player and their families feel at home. Are we too poor to even afford that? Did the departure of Maxi and possibly Insua alienate Mash?

Or was it the lure of Barcelona? I'm not too sure about that though, cause it'll be a straight fight between him and that Busquet fella, no? Also on Barcelona - Ibrahimovich seems to be on the way out. Making space for Torres in January perhaps shocking.gif ?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 24 2010, 01:23 PM)
Well, I will admit that I am one of those. Comes as a real surprise to me that he decided to effectively go on strike. He has always given his best out on the pitch right until now.  cry.gif

What made the shit hit ceiling so fast  shocking.gif !?! Did something happen behind the scenes? Has RH misjudged the players' sentiments. Personally I think letting Aqualani go on loan was a stupid decision but that's just me. Too much love for Joe Cole? RH's fondness for all things Brit making the foreign legion feel unwanted?

Also, i makes me wonder, did Liverpool ever even try to make Mash's family feel settled? If that is really the reason why he wants to leave. I remember a while back when 'Big' Sam was at Bolton, before he became 'Big' - he and the club was well known for getting the most out of foreign players - the club hired all sorts of attendants, translators etc to make the player and their families feel at home. Are we too poor to even afford that? Did the departure of Maxi and possibly Insua alienate Mash?

Or was it the lure of Barcelona? I'm not too sure about that though, cause it'll be a straight fight between him and that Busquet fella, no? Also on Barcelona - Ibrahimovich seems to be on the way out. Making space for Torres in January perhaps  shocking.gif ?
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We at liverpool & the media seem to be in an concerted effort to 'britishise' Liverpool FC. I dont know, all i know my sentiments for Liverpool are running haywire cause I sense Liverpool may do a newcastle, we seem to be imploding within. aqualani, javier....


not good & we still have ya ya liverpool forumers. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kamaljit9 @ Aug 24 2010, 12:09 PM)
a little controversial, but anyone else hope that we get knocked out of europa league as soon as possible? for me, its just a cash cow for the owners. who cares how we fare against the lesser teams in europe.
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i hope we all could witness another Liverpool-Juventus final (who cares if its Europa league @ 2nd feeder european tournament @
wateva they call it). Its LIVERPOOL & JUVENTUS FFS notworthy.gif
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i prefer we stay in the so-called lesser europe tourney,at least got few trophies up for us to grab as i dun see we as BPL title contender this season,only top four...
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QUOTE(lok3i @ Aug 24 2010, 05:02 AM)
pool being raped by city..
Hodgson have a tough job ahead of him..
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3-0 aint raping yo.

1-0 scraped/lucky
2-0 comprehensive
3-0 trashing
4-0 mauling
5-0 humiliating
6-0 raping
7-0 gangrape



as Rafa used to always say: FOCUS ON THE NEXT GAME
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i've said before IF liverpool avoids defeat in the first 5 games, we are on the right path.

2 games, no win yet. yes its too early to push the panic button. in my 30+ years supporting LFc, its this season I fear the most.
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same thing here...in my 10 years of supporting the Reds...it's this season i fear the most too...it's so competitive
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the team are still continuing on from how they played last season.
substitutions are still happening late.
lucas is still playing.

so really, wats the difference between roy and rafa? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 01:26 PM)
the team are still continuing on from how they played last season.
substitutions are still happening late.
lucas is still playing.

so really, wats the difference between roy and rafa? tongue.gif

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The difference is, Roy is playing N'Gog and Torres together while that will never happen on Rafa's days. tongue.gif

Anyway, was a disaster that we lose with such a big score margin.Hopefully, the lads can hold their head up and play their best football starting next match. sad.gif
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what a day for us.. sad.gif


Added on August 24, 2010, 1:32 pmit not a good way to pair them in this game..look we feel the cause of it..

but anyway..they should get along after few game

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 01:26 PM)
the team are still continuing on from how they played last season.
substitutions are still happening late.
lucas is still playing.

so really, wats the difference between roy and rafa? tongue.gif
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i dun understand is why ryan babel score in previous match and man city game sit on bench..?
sigh..

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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Aug 24 2010, 01:36 PM)
i dun understand is why ryan babel score in previous match and man city game sit on bench..?
sigh..
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same reason why benayoun can score hat-trick then sit on bench for next game biggrin.gif

btw, it was ngog who scored previous match...

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i think RH look for consistency..

ngog score more then babel..

but y he need to pair torres with ngog i such big game..
test them in training section is not the same tempo like playing in the real game..

city monopoly the ball possession
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shouldve brought maxi on instead of keeping jova on the pitch.
and curse masch's future kids...*****...
maybe lucas threatened masch...if u dont leave i send all the brazillian witch doctors after u cos i want to play...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 01:45 PM)
shouldve brought maxi on instead of keeping jova on the pitch.
and curse masch's future kids...*****...
maybe lucas threatened masch...if u dont leave i send all the brazillian witch doctors after u cos i want to play...
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Added on August 24, 2010, 1:56 pmfor me we still dont have a real goal machine..torres still find his best,fitnest n others thing..ngog still lots to learn..jova still new hope can adept the game fast..errmm..

cant wait to see cole,gerrard and torres to play together with their best form..sure will be explosive lar..

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QUOTE(fhatz @ Aug 24 2010, 01:51 PM)
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Added on August 24, 2010, 1:56 pmfor me we still dont have a real goal machine..torres still find his best,fitnest n others thing..ngog still lots to learn..jova still new hope can adept the game fast..errmm..

cant wait to see cole,gerrard and torres to play together with their best form..sure will be explosive lar..
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second that!

Lads, held your heads up high!
It's just a game! Although its demoralizing, but we're just 2 games from the start. There are still 36 games to go.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the next game. brows.gif

Add some positivity into the thread will ya? laugh.gif
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Yeah , please looking forward to the next game , but still cole cant join with them on next match too sad.gif
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the most important thing is cole will be back in time to play against MU.

next 2 games against WBA and then away to birmingham which is abit tough.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 02:09 PM)
the most important thing is cole will be back in time to play against MU.

next 2 games against WBA and then away to birmingham which is abit tough.
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Must trash WBA 6-0 like Chelsea did a week ago. biggrin.gif
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WBA 2-0 Liverpool.. lol sweat.gif
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Seriously, Adam Johnson, that kid is a gem. He reminds me of the old joe cole. And last nite we play a 4-4-2 formation, its a new system that the team needs to get use too.
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I really favor Liverpool playing a 4-4-2 to be honest.
4-4-2 will generate more goal (possibly). I want Liverpool to score rampaging goals!!

RH, please make it possible!
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Never before in my life and all these years of supporting Liverpool, I have felt so utterly disconsolate, to be roundly may i say "thrashed" by Manchester City, I have seen worse beatings that Liverpool has taken, notably against United and Chelsea and Arsenal,

but i always had a sense that its going to be OK, that sense of optimism but to feel this way so early in the season, Personally Im the most the optimistic person when it comes to talking about Liverpool Football Club and yet this season im not feeling optimistic as prior to seasons before.

Not forgetting that if we dont find any owners soon, administration looms and the inevitable deduction of points. not being a doom monger but these are times of uncertainty and the prospect of it happening is very real. I tended to brush it under the carpet and hoped things will work out for the best, but seeing things as it is, Its sad to see how far we have fallen. and yes no doubt we may smash 5-6 past WBA next weekend and everything will look dandy and trendy, I'd think, that is the only joy that we get as Liverpool fan these days...to live in the moment of victory rather than savoring on the success'es of the the season past

And coming to City , I did watch the match last nite, I was quite surprised Roy did play a 4-4-2 formation, our midfield was badly overrun with A.Johnson and Milner getting their way. Gerrard was ineffective as he needed to often come back to support the defense, Lucas was holding the ball well but too bad he kept on passing laterally than passing the player a few yard infront of him. We tended to ping the ball without any real attacking intent and from what i saw lacked real urgency. there was a period for about 5 mins in the second half that we played with urgency which Hart pulled off a brilliant double save, but apart from that end product was lacking.

Yaya Toure did look every part of the 26M that City paid for him. absolute beast. City deserved the 3 points.

Torres wasnt match fit, but rather than complaining why start a player who isnt match fit, I'd like to know how is a player going to get match fit if the doenst play any freaking matches? Well I wouldnt hold anything against Roy at least he did start with a positive lineup nor im going to complain Torres isnt supposed to start because he isnt "match fit" . We fans are a bunch of fickle minded lots arent we, when someone start with 4-4-2 we'd clamor for a more defensive lineup and yet when we play a defensive lineup, we'd wonder why the hell arent we playing a more positive lineup

Will be interesting to see how we'll play once we get out team settled. Torres, Gerrard Cole and with the others supporting pretty decent.. one can only hope for the best.

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it was reported that we've rejected a 16mil bid from barca recently. it seems barca board are keen on masch while pep guardiola isnt. i dont know how far this is true, but as of right now, barca seem like the only team that is after masch. i wonder if the transfer dont happen, will masch be able to play for us in 'the right state' of mind again ?
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Aug 24 2010, 03:21 PM)
.. one can only hope for the best.
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maybe we too need the voodoo doctors to shed those demons out.
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guys, please keep in mind that MC is not a so-so team anymore.
They might be in the past but their line-up is on par with other big teams in the league. Some of you might not agree with me but I think that for a team like MC to beat our team 3-0 is nothing to be ashamed of.

Be positive, let the team gel and hopefully we can get the flow and start the Liverpool marauding engine. nod.gif
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When RB played 4-5-1, people complaining too negative
When RH played flat 4-4-2 with attacking minded, people said suicide.

Errr.... don't know what to say.

When lost, everything is not right.
When win, everything is right.

We must accepted that with current squad and team issue, Liv is not going to win every game. The target of this season is 4-7th or should I said this is the realistic expectation

We also must know, Man City, no longer the old Man City, they are now a big team, Liv is not in term of financially.

We should judge after 8-10 matches, as first 2 games against Arsenal and Man City, is not a push over.

If cannot win or lose further 2 matches, like WBA, Birmingham, then start the bazooka to criticise also not too late.

Just my 2 cents.
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lucas's haters..where are thou..??? we lost becoz lucas started..the midfield is dead..hence more burden to the defense, and no supply to the front..the whole team changed to a useless mindless 5-star players clueless stucked on a football pitch..
just like how we lose it against arsenal after lucas came in..

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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Aug 24 2010, 02:42 PM)
lucas's haters..where are thou..??? we lost becoz lucas started..the midfield is dead..hence more burden to the defense, and no supply to the front..the whole team changed to a useless mindless 5-star players clueless stucked on a football pitch..
just like how we lose it against arsenal after lucas came in..

haters..i summon you..naw!
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Yo, Lucas and Ngog hater here. Both have no close ball control and both even not good enuff to play for U-18's. No wonder Liverpool got thrashed.

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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Aug 24 2010, 02:42 PM)
lucas's haters..where are thou..??? we lost becoz lucas started..the midfield is dead..hence more burden to the defense, and no supply to the front..the whole team changed to a useless mindless 5-star players clueless stucked on a football pitch..
just like how we lose it against arsenal after lucas came in..

haters..i summon you..naw!
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hi! biggrin.gif

last nite was funny.
lucas in empty space, gerrard with ball.
gerrard passes to someone who was completely marked instead...think it was johnson biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cheez @ Aug 24 2010, 03:40 PM)
guys, please keep in mind that MC is not a so-so team anymore.
They might be in the past but their line-up is on par with other big teams in the league. Some of you might not agree with me but I think that for a team like MC to beat our team 3-0 is nothing to be ashamed of.
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the part about some silly old fart saying we need to spend to succeed rings true? or should we say we can manage with small squad but its just better effective tactics (ie RH employs to succeed to a degree with fulham) over the lone striker some dinky manager that looks like some fat spanish waiter employs tactically

it only goes to show how sad we have become.

i can accept that MC improved & giving us a hard time, maybe losing 1-2, 0-1 but 0-3 its a little more cause of alarm


truly sad

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im not watching the game....3-0 defeat means we are not good enough...iim not feel so sad cause i believe we will lose again...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 02:52 PM)
hi! biggrin.gif

last nite was funny.
lucas in empty space, gerrard with ball.
gerrard passes to someone who was completely marked instead...think it was johnson biggrin.gif
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i noticed that..
and on A FEW (not just once!) occasions when johnson was cornered and closed down..he wanted to pass the ball desperately,
we saw his face and hand gestures shouting "where are my teammates when i need to pass this ball badly?"

..and as we knew, he would lose the ball, and we got counter attacked..now, where were the players and the midfield ?

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 24 2010, 02:57 PM)

i can accept that MC improved & giving us a hard time, maybe losing 1-2, 0-1 but 0-3 its a little more cause of alarm
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My point exactly mate smile.gif its one thing to get beaten..but its totally another thing all together to be beaten in the manner that we did last nite.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 24 2010, 02:42 PM)
When RB played 4-5-1, people complaining too negative
When RH played flat 4-4-2 with attacking minded, people said suicide.

Errr.... don't know what to say.

When lost, everything is not right.
When win, everything is right.

We must accepted that with current squad and team issue, Liv is not going to win every game. The target of this season is 4-7th or should I said this is the realistic expectation

We also must know, Man City, no longer the old Man City, they are now a big team, Liv is not in term of financially.

We should judge after 8-10 matches, as first 2 games against Arsenal and Man City, is not a push over.

If cannot win or lose further 2 matches, like WBA, Birmingham, then start the bazooka to criticise also not too late.

Just my 2 cents.
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i kno MC is a big team now.. but my opinion..
to built a big team is not a 1 day work..
there is no 'I' in a TEAM..

a great history of the club will lead to victory.. nod.gif

why LIv sell Insua..? sigh..
he is from Liv academy,loyalty 100%..!!
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QUOTE(normeck @ Aug 24 2010, 03:00 PM)
im not watching the game....3-0 defeat means we are not good enough...iim not feel so sad cause i believe we will lose again...
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it showed that man city is not a mid-table club anymore...just look at their subs....their total value alone are higher than our 1st eleven's. for me, 3-0 is lucky considering how we've spent so far in d transfer market compare to theirs. its abit strange why our so called die-hard fans expect us to win or draw this game in da 1st place.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Aug 24 2010, 03:21 PM)
And coming to City , I did watch the match last nite, I was quite surprised Roy did play a 4-4-2 formation, our midfield was badly overrun with A.Johnson and Milner getting their way. Gerrard was ineffective as he needed to often come back to support the defense, Lucas was holding the ball well but too bad he kept on passing laterally than passing the player a few yard infront of him. We tended to ping the ball without any real attacking intent and from what i saw lacked real urgency. there was a period for about 5 mins in the second half that we played with urgency which Hart pulled off a brilliant double save, but apart from that end product was lacking.
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I hope this is not reflective of things to come, against smaller (sorry everton & gang) teams 4-4-2 could work better, but against the bigger boys (oh i hate to now up MC to one of the lads above us) its almost impossible, its like RH going old (dated) school tactics.

We would be mauled in champions league employing such tactics. (thank goodness we aren't, to save us the indignity)


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this is NOT funny. it doesnt bodes well of the Liverpool FC. Soon we'll be know as a mid table club like Fulham FC...
shit, deja Vu.

worried? who is Worried? To think of it the riches of the mega $$ MC struggled against 4-4-2 of spurs only 9 days ago walked & overan Liverpool FC yesterday. huh worried?


I'm pretty sure Javier Mascherano will be fined by liverpool as act of indiscipline (if its true that the media made known masch boycotts this game or coming games). But its the repercussion that when it ripples amongst the players that is far more damaging. LFc fans better be bracing for this.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2010, 02:52 PM)
hi! biggrin.gif

last nite was funny.
lucas in empty space, gerrard with ball.
gerrard passes to someone who was completely marked instead...think it was johnson biggrin.gif
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Seriously... Lucas really need to contribute more. No game play no defense... and always give out funny freekick to opponents. sweat.gif
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RH is not a world class manager. whether his stint at Liverpool will change that, i am not sure. I hope so...but his career so far doesnt show anything spectacular.

but the moment Rafa was sacked and we were panicky about Gerrard and Torres, he was available and he steadied the ship.

Whether he is the manager to transform our performances on the pitch, its remains to be seen.

Maybe the fans will up their tempo to get the Yanks out and get rid of our debts...
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QUOTE(rendude @ Aug 24 2010, 03:08 PM)
it showed that man city is not a mid-table club anymore...just look at their subs....their total value alone are higher than our 1st eleven's. for me, 3-0 is lucky considering how we've spent so far in d transfer market compare to theirs. its abit strange why our so called die-hard fans expect us to win or draw this game in da 1st place.
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nobody would complained if we played negatively in away games against strong team like m.city...the only time i remember our fans complaining is when we played negatively at home!
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Next game WBA. Its a must win game.

Btw, Insua is sold to Fiorentina already meh ? I think the deal is off already. Insua is staying in Anfield.
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Javier Mascherano has already agreed terms on an £85,000 a week contract with Barcelona, it has been claimed.

The midfielder refused to play in Liverpool’s 3-0 defeat by Manchester City on Monday night, with boss Roy Hodgson admitting that the 26-year-old’s head had been turned.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0xW9Qzthn
Shame on him, especially, betraying the squad in such a vital match.ungrateful prick!
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What bothers me is that Man City were rubbish against Spurs last week.
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Shame on him, especially, betraying the squad in such a vital match.ungrateful prick!
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Is that news is really true?
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Is that news is really true?
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Even if it is, family comes first. I'm sure there is a great deal of pressure on him to leave the country as his wife can't get settled and enduring another 6 months or year in an environment you are uncomfortable in is tough. I'm sure it's on his mind all the time and I for one don't blame him for being unsettled. I hope that the club reaches an agreement with Barcelona and we both get what we want.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 07:45 PM)
Even if it is, family comes first. I'm sure there is a great deal of pressure on him to leave the country as his wife can't get settled and enduring another 6 months or year in an environment you are uncomfortable in is tough. I'm sure it's on his mind all the time and I for one don't blame him for being unsettled. I hope that the club reaches an agreement with Barcelona and we both get what we want.
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agree, a true pro will give his all & his march does time & again but his family being unsettled is too much to ask for himself to commit 100%. its best LFc finds headway.

rafa made him & we got the best out of march. its pointless LFc to keep him.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 06:35 PM)
What bothers me is that Man City were rubbish against Spurs last week.
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They weren't.

Also, if Mascherano does leave now, Aquiliani going to Juventus would be one of the largest cock-ups Roy could ever make.

And as for Mascherano refusing to play, if true, family and what not, it's still a d*** move to refuse to play.

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QUOTE(xMika @ Aug 24 2010, 06:07 PM)
Next game WBA. Its a must win game.

Btw, Insua is sold to Fiorentina already meh ? I think the deal is off already. Insua is staying in Anfield.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 07:35 PM)
What bothers me is that Man City were rubbish against Spurs last week.
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not exactly rubbish

they just didn't want to lose that time(and thus fielding 3 DM) and almost all key player in spurs are in form(bale,huddlestone,dafoe,lennon,dos santos....)


i don't see any sort particular mistake in RH plans,but more like the player are really outmatched last night(men per men,City is better).the defence is tight while all the attacking/defending build up are neat

the player did contribute physically to the game,but i didn't see any flare whatsoever from liverpool apart of the skipper(Torres is out of form,jovanovic and kuyt didn't quite contribute much,skrtel is outplayed by milner and ajohnson...)
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 06:35 PM)
What bothers me is that Man City were rubbish against Spurs last week.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 07:25 PM)
They weren't.


Must have been watching a different game then because I remember Joe Hart giving a man-of-the-match performance with at least 2 world class saves.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 07:25 PM)
And as for Mascherano refusing to play, if true, family and what not, it's still a d*** move to refuse to play.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 24 2010, 06:56 PM)
agree, a true pro will give his all & his march does time & again but his family being unsettled is too much to ask for himself to commit 100%. its best LFc finds headway.

rafa made him & we got the best out of march. its pointless LFc to keep him.
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according to press reports, he refused to play to force transfer..
according to our manager, he wasn't selected because he wasn't in the right frame of mind - and not because he refused to play.

who should I believe then???
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Must have been watching a different game then because I remember Joe Hart giving a man-of-the-match performance with at least 2 world class saves.

Well like us, he's only human. I won't pretend to understand what was going through his head but from what I know of him, he wouldn't do willingly do anything detrimental to the club.
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A keeper winning MOTM equates to a team being piss poor? Spurs were no better themselves fizzing out after a good 35 minutes or so.

You wouldn't pretend to understand what he is going through but then go on to assume he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club right after he refused to play for the club in a big match early in the season (assuming that he did refuse to play) to get a move to Barca.

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 08:05 PM)
A keeper winning MOTM equates to a team being piss poor? Spurs were no better themselves fizzing out after a good 35 minutes or so.


It means the result could easily have been different because you allowed these chances to materialise despite playing what some call, a defensive game. Let's agree to disagree then. For the sake of argument, let me be more politically correct and say, they played below my expectations.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 08:05 PM)
You wouldn't pretend to understand what he is going through but then go on to assume he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club right after he refused to play for the club in a big match early in the season (assuming that he did refuse to play) to get a move to Barca.
How is one the same as the other? I've no idea what they mean when they say he wasn't in the right frame of mind so no point guessing. I didn't say I assumed he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club. I said that he wouldn't based on what I know and read about him, suggesting I'm basing my opinion on what I know as facts. I don't believe in lynching our own players until it's proven without a shadow of doubt that he was indeed being nothing but selfish. It's a known fact that the media often sensationalises things.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 09:11 PM)
It means the result could easily have been different because you allowed these chances to materialise despite playing what some call, a defensive game. Let's agree to disagree then. For the sake of argument, let me be more politically correct and say, they played below my expectations.

How is one the same as the other? I've no idea what they mean when they say he wasn't in the right frame of mind so no point guessing. I didn't say I assumed he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club. I said that he wouldn't based on what I know and read about him, suggesting I'm basing my opinion on what I know as facts. I don't believe in lynching our own players until it's proven without a shadow of doubt that he was indeed being nothing but selfish. It's a known fact that the media often sensationalises things.
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The first game of the season against Spurs whom they are potentially fighting with for one of the four top spots and playing for a draw and earning it would be a good result in my books. I'd like to see Liverpool do what City did against Spurs when they do meet.

You you said that he wouldn't based on what you know and read about him which is still an assumption because what you know and read about him comes from the same media you just labelled sensationalist.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 09:31 PM)
The first game of the season against Spurs whom they are potentially fighting with for one of the four top spots and playing for a draw and earning it would be a good result in my books. I'd like to see Liverpool do what City did against Spurs when they do meet.


So we have different expectations.

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You you said that he wouldn't based on what you know and read about him which is still an assumption because what you know and read about him comes from the same media you just labelled sensationalist.
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I doubt some sports journalist wrote the autobiographies of players like Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher. I think accounts from teammates are somewhat accurate. I also think that articles from a magazine like FourFourTwo is credible. In any case, what's wrong with adopting an "innocent until proven guilty" approach? If you lot want to lynch your own players for leaving e.g. Heinze, go ahead. Till this moment, I can't believe that some Liverpool fans blame Xabi Alonso for leaving.

Just to add, let's assume all literature has no credibility. The commitment I see from him on the pitch suggests to me that he has always played his heart out for the club whenever he's been given the chance. Actions speak louder than words? I have had nothing but good things to say about Mascherano and I'm not about to turn on him after one press report.

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no wonder we lose.. manc is damned good for us..
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who should I believe then???
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It's nothing new. It's speculated for months since Rafa left.
It's been speculated Mascherano might leave, likewise Torres, Gerrard, Lucas, Aquilani, Reina, Kuyt etc.

I am not SURPRISED at all.


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Did the two of you go to the same school?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 24 2010, 09:48 PM)
So we have different expectations. 
I doubt some sports journalist wrote the autobiographies of players like Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher. I think accounts from teammates are somewhat accurate. I also think that articles from a magazine like FourFourTwo is credible. In any case, what's wrong with adopting an "innocent until proven guilty" approach? If you lot want to lynch your own players for leaving e.g. Heinze, go ahead. Till this moment, I can't believe that some Liverpool fans blame Xabi Alonso for leaving.

Just to add, let's assume all literature has no credibility. The commitment I see from him on the pitch suggests to me that he has always played his heart out for the club whenever he's been given the chance. Actions speak louder than words? I have had nothing but good things to say about Mascherano and I'm not about to turn on him after one press report.
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The thing about autobiographies are that the sane footballers, what do you expect to pen about their teammates? I mean of course you will have nutters like Keane, Cole and Stam writing stupid things that end up ruining their careers at their clubs while they are there but most of what you read in these books, don't expect them to be 100% honest. More over you mention the two same autobiographies where these two have written politically correct nonsense only to go back on those very words they typed/said/written.

Remember the whole "If my teammate ever dive, I'd have a word?" from Gerrard or Carragher's "It wouldn't be right to take up a spot in the national team after other players worked their arses off during qualification." My point is, both the compliments and condemnation written in the press or by these footballers, I really wouldn't trust either.
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a 12 million pound bid by any club for mascherano is bloody ridiculous. can't believe how spanish clubs can get away with such low valuations of other players. i'm not even a big fan of the lad but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he's worth at least 20 million pounds. anything less will be considered a steal, and if the tables were turned i'd expect the bid to be 'laughed off' by the catalans. liverpool should do the same.
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a 12 million pound bid by any club for mascherano is bloody ridiculous. can't believe how spanish clubs can get away with such low valuations of other players. i'm not even a big fan of the lad but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he's worth at least 20 million pounds. anything less will be considered a steal, and if the tables were turned i'd expect the bid to be 'laughed off' by the catalans. liverpool should do the same.
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I like Masch, but the unsettled family angle is getting a bit tiresome. Seriously, can't imagine how hard it must be to settle into a comfortable life when your other half takes home what, 65 big ones A WEEK?

Like I mentioned earlier, it's probably either wanting to play elsewhere or something different that we know not of. Perhaps all the other Argentines are being shelved and Masch feels unwanted? Maybe he thinks that Aqualini is the dog's bollocks?

However, I do strongly suspect that RH's pro-british approach might turn off some of the foreign players.

But the real thing that has been bugging me is the RBS thing. I believe that the bank has no interest at all in owning a football club - hence the easiest way to recoup their money is to sell off Liverpool's assets. Offer Reina at 20 million - Wenger and Ferguson will probably race to bite your hand off. Torres to anywhere for 50 million... cry.gif

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 25 2010, 12:25 AM)
I like Masch, but the unsettled family angle is getting a bit tiresome. Seriously, can't imagine how hard it must be to settle into a comfortable life when your other half takes home what, 65 big ones A WEEK?

Like I mentioned earlier, it's probably either wanting to play elsewhere or something different that we know not of. Perhaps all the other Argentines are being shelved and Masch feels unwanted? Maybe he thinks that Aqualini is the dog's bollocks?

However, I do strongly suspect that RH's pro-british approach might turn off some of the foreign players.

But the real thing that has been bugging me is the RBS thing. I believe that the bank has no interest at all in owning a football club - hence the easiest way to recoup their money is to sell off Liverpool's assets. Offer Reina at 20 million - Wenger and Ferguson will probably race to bite your hand off. Torres to anywhere for 50 million... cry.gif
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Based on his past two showings, no thanks. And no way in hell would Reina come to us anyway.
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well, as many as there is a good amount of so called 'world class' players in the expensively-assembled city squad, if there is a perfect time to face them, it is surely the early of the season when they are still new to each other and havent gel as a unit. as such i expect us to give them a good fight. but the bad point is that, because places in the starting line up are so competitive in their squad, players chosen in the first 11 would surely give their all to keep their places. they have to be on their toes on the pitch and perform as mancini would have wanted. yes i agree that they were below par against spurs, and was lucky to get a point, and that has got me even more confident prior to last night's match, but turns out, when u r at home, with more new players coming in, in front of your fans and owner, a big rival in liverpool for champs league spot, it probably was a huge motivation for them to go out there and outclassed us in every department.. its just too bad as the liverpool we know from last weekend, just didnt turn up, except for gerrard, the rest of the lads should look back at this city game and wonder if they still want to make the most of this campaign. yes it is still early days in roy's era, as such i'd only hope that we do better in coming games.. mind u, a trip to turkey aint easy with their hostile environment. and then with wba to visit anfield, they will make life very difficult for us by packing up midfield and defence, as for now, i dont see us scoring 6 past them like chelsea did..
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Almost all of our players were pedestrian last night. We know that with quality players in City squad, they will easily play possession football. U cannot just sit back and wait for them to give away possession. U hav to earn it. U have to play with higher tempo, chase, close down. That's what Spurs did. That's what Fulham did (against ManU).

That's why we like players like Masch who will give opposition zero time on the ball. If u play with high tempo eventually they will lose possession and (even) a 50% fit Torres can capitalise on that.

But no, the players chose not to turn up and again our skipper had to do it on his own.
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the most important thing is cole will be back in time to play against MU.

next 2 games against WBA and then away to birmingham which is abit tough.
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i thought RH should have played poulsen instead on lucas, liberate gerrard in place of ngog

reli cry looking at the team overrun like tat cry.gif
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hopefully RH can restore the MORALE wif his tactics wif an away WIN in the Europa qualifying, if we lose again, doh.gif
we might even lose the next BPL game and we will be goners soon


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we have 2 pretty tough openning game. Arsenal and ManC. still, going down 3 goals is no excuse. I am prepared for sit thru Oct when RBS took over the club. I don't see the club moving forward until there is a new owner and a new game plan.

The air around the club is making a lot of people around d world sick.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 11:26 PM)
The thing about autobiographies are that the sane footballers, what do you expect to pen about their teammates? I mean of course you will have nutters like Keane, Cole and Stam writing stupid things that end up ruining their careers at their clubs while they are there but most of what you read in these books, don't expect them to be 100% honest. More over you mention the two same autobiographies where these two have written politically correct nonsense only to go back on those very words they typed/said/written.


I didn't say they were 100% accurate but given a choice, I think they are much more credible that whatever you read in the media. In terms of being honest, I've no doubt that Carragher doesn't mince his words. To say he didn't have many nice things say about the likes of Collymore, Anelka, Diouf, Diao and Josemi would be an understatement. Carra is never one to sugar coat his opinions.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 24 2010, 11:26 PM)
Remember the whole "If my teammate ever dive, I'd have a word?" from Gerrard or Carragher's "It wouldn't be right to take up a spot in the national team after other players worked their arses off during qualification." My point is, both the compliments and condemnation written in the press or by these footballers, I really wouldn't trust either.
Gerrard made the former quote but I don't remember Carragher making such a comment ever. All he's ever said is that he got sick of being looked over whenever the likes of Woodgate, King and Upson were fit, despite having a superb season in 2005. While Gerrard may be guilty of being a hypocrite, I don't even remember Carragher going down the same road.

If your take is that there is no absolute truth in written literature, then there wouldn't be a point in reading anything except for entertainment. We select the most credible source we know and we base our opinions on it, isn't that the way it's always worked? We either look at the author or the source in the case of online material. Paul Tomkins for example, has often been criticised for writing with rose tinted glasses. Wooltonian is a regular poster on RAWK as has vast amounts of knowledge, constantly reminiscing about the 70's and 80's. My point is they all have a reputation of sorts unlike most writers in the newspapers who are journalists, and no columnist. The latter I believe gives you a more accurate description of a player or a scenario e.g. Hillsbrough. 100% accurate? Maybe not but we can only rely on what we believe is the most credible source.

As I said earlier, take all written material away and you're left with a man who plays his heart out each and every game. I don't think it's unreasonable therefore to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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duke,
I see your sigi and i think to myself, wateva happen to our faith.

in this age, faith can take us only so far. $$$ will do the rest and sadly, $$$ is what we are lacking now.
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duke,
I see your sigi and i think to myself, wateva happen to our faith.

in this age, faith can take us only so far.  $$$ will do the rest and sadly, $$$ is what we are lacking now.
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QUOTE(demio121 @ Aug 25 2010, 09:49 AM)
duke,
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in this age, faith can take us only so far.  $$$ will do the rest and sadly, $$$ is what we are lacking now.
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Yes, time changes the face of football. Previously, only the likes of Juventus, Real Madrid and maybe Barca can spend big money to get the players they wanted...and now the likes of Chelsea, Man City all comes up with a bottomless pit of transfer funds.

This didn't happen to the EPL 10-20 years back, so back then we still can use our faith to traumatize our opponents. Now look at us...our bank balance is on a negative now! We can hardly tussle with the likes of Spurs, Villa and even West Ham in the transfer market...we can just hope for free agents or aging, cheap bargain transfers. Back then our $$$ was pretty healthy and we can buy some pretty good players, and there is no yanks to ruin it for us mad.gif

I dare say Chelsea and Man City just inflate the market and changed the face of EPL for at least this decade. Money talks in this millenia, and money has effected our transfer plans where it has taken away :

Notable Players we missed
1.Gareth Barry - he signed for Man C instead...for $$$
2.David Silva - Rafa wanted him but Valencia want to sell him for loads of cash to Man C
3.David Villa - We almost got him when he was in Zaragoza, but Valencia willing to meet the price and we couldn't
4.Carlos Tevez - We could get him if we can meet the price his agent offer. Heck, he MIGHT even make Masch stay!
5.Sergio Aguero - admits he was cheering for Liverpool back then, and likes Liverpool but due to the interest from Chelsea and all...his price shot up to the roof and it is now out of reach for us

Missed Players that MIGHT make a difference
1. Ruud Van Nistelrooy - wages too high
2. Gabriel Heinze - Fergie didn't want to sell him to us, but I think with the right $$ we can get him
3. Simao - Rafa failed to get him season after season because of the tight transfer kitty
4. Micheal Owen - We could have got him back after Madrid wanted to sell him...but we were outbid by Newcastle, and now he's in Man Utd sad.gif

I'm sure there are many other quality players that we may possibly have, but this is what that I have in mind now.

I just hope in the future, LFC have enough cash to get the players they wanted...we don't need to be like Man C of Chelsea who buys and tries all possible prospective big names and sell them the season after if they aren't good enough. tongue.gif

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$ does play very major role nowadays.

That's why a bigger stadium is the most important/priority thing to it.
Without it, there is limit how far the club financial can do.
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That's why a bigger stadium is the most important/priority thing to it.
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Talk about our stadium....sigh....we are like 2 years behind schedule. Imagine how much $$$ we can rake up from tickets, advertising banners, sponsors, Stadium naming rights, etc. Who knows that we might sign more quality players back then.

Damn you Yanks! vmad.gif

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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Aug 25 2010, 10:36 AM)
I just hope in the future, LFC have enough cash to get the players they wanted...we don't need to be like Man C of Chelsea who buys and tries all possible prospective big names and sell them the season after if they aren't good enough. tongue.gif
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why dont you get your facts right before blasting CFC.
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we're not like man city. we have our own hard times. our stadium was almost sold off. i wasnt there but im sure the fans at that time felt it.

i also dont like the fact that sometimes players in the club could not make it into the team and ends up in a smaller club but thats reality. we usually support all of the players who wear the club's jersey but if they are not good enough, they have to go. thats the harsh reality of football. i hate it everytime that happens, be it the youngsters or seniors like shevchenko.
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:15 PM)
Dude chill, I'm not blasting anyone here. I'm just comparing the financial situation and spending power of your Chelsea club, Man C and us.  biggrin.gif
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I have no problem if he is to leave anytime soon because of family problem. The problem with him now is that he is trying to force a move out by refusing to play which is a big no no to me.
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he is under contract. he has put 100% passion in all liverpool games. he doesnt hold back.

but under the cloud of doubt & uncertainty (be it his unsettled wife or the shing bangs the boards plays), he does not do justice to himself much less TO liverpool by giving less than 100%.

if you are employed by a company in to medan, indonesia but your loved ones are having difficulties settling there, you come home to an empty home, no one to share your joys of wins or the agony in defeat.
one will lose the desire, to challenge oneself.

He march, can honour his contract, but i believe there will be less value for Liverpool FC in the end. what Liverpool FC is undoing now, releasing foreign players & some highly rated foreign players juniors in favour of more britishness may be the undoing of a great club. we arent arsenal but we recruit players worthy of Liverpool regardless country of orgin.

while i understand the 'creation' for more british based players but the speed of 'dismantaling' rafa legacy to "cut overheads" so that the owners can still grip, or prolong their stronghold for undeserved profit of sale.


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we have 2 pretty tough openning game.  Arsenal and ManC.  still, going down 3 goals is no excuse.  I am prepared for sit thru Oct when RBS took over the club.  I don't see the club moving forward until there is a new owner and a new game plan.

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i hear yahya kirdi is in the driving seat. very good pals of G&H esp one of the son.

it will be NO different if such news materialised that he succeed. its just digging a bigger black hole to what is already a leaking ship.

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 11:24 AM)
Yap..but we already pass our big spending time..we learn our lesson from Sheva..even Roman take it personally...We implement financial fairplay now..We only sign Ramires..around 20mil..benayoun 6mil..and a few youngsters..26mil come from the wages of Ballack,Joe Cole,Belletti,Deco,Cavalho..youngster we bought from the profit of loan fees...we dont spend big since sheva..only media link us with everyone..we understand the confusion...
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Fair Play. You guys didn't spend huge for the past season or two, unlike earlier when Roman first came in. Probably because the spine and teamwork of your team is already there (Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Cech).

But for Man City, their owners just want to get started. Even Mourinho admits the rich Real Madrid lost their bid to get Kolarov, which is too expensive and not worth it for him. Man City offering players too much $$ that any player's agents will turn their heads to them if there is an offer on the table. This makes the price of players whom they are interested in automatically shoots all the way up to the roof and rendering the other poorer/medium teams unable to meet the transfer price.

As mentioned earlier, remember how we lost out on Barry, Silva and possibly Tevez to them. Sorry to Keane fans, but if we we're to get Barry, the Liverpool boards wouldn't have force Rafa to get Robbie Keane. Rafa did drop hints about "I asked for a table but they give me a lamp instead" comments. We're not only negative on cash, but we have bloody blood sucking owners who broke their promise and didn't finish up the stadium, controlled the players and staff transfer of the club (Rafa only got the transfer rights like last season....but sadly it was his last). I personally think HnG deliberately screw Rafa by limiting his funds and pushing him to the exit door due to his constant moaning and complaints.

We lost a good tactical manager, new stadium was 2 years delayed and we are on the brink of administration. Yahya Kirdi, our potential new owner's comments doesn't seem like he is a fan as well, he seem more like a puppet of HnG. Kenny Huang has just pulled out recently, Mascherano is not in a "right frame of mind" to play, Torres has yet to pick up his form, Joe Cole got a harsh red card and missed a penalty last week, and WE DON'T HAVE A PROPER AND FIT LEFTBACK (Insua still looks likely to leave and Aurelio is nowhere near match fit). We're at a pretty low morale right now...so let us moan a bit will ya. wink.gif

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we're not like man city. we have our own hard times. our stadium was almost sold off. i wasnt there but im sure the fans at that time felt it.

i also dont like the fact that sometimes players in the club could not make it into the team and ends up in a smaller club but thats reality. we usually support all of the players who wear the club's jersey but if they are not good enough, they have to go. thats the harsh reality of football. i hate it everytime that happens, be it the youngsters or seniors like shevchenko.
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Oh wow, I guess being nearly broke and relegated to division 2 isn't exactly going through 'hard times'? hmm.gif

Don't be a hypocrite. Manchester City are doing exactly what Chelsea did during the early Abrahimovich years - only much later and on a bigger scale. Much as I dislike the notion, money does buy titles - the riches club buys the best players, and when they are no longer the richest their fans take the high moral ground of "not buying the title".

Having said that, any sugardaddy would be better than the yanks doh.gif
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Having said that, any sugardaddy would be better than the yanks doh.gif
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Man City may spend like over 100m now, but I'm sure they will slow down after a few seasons like Chelsea once they settle with a good manager and stick to the spine.

I forsee Tevez, Milner (?), Toure brothers, De Jong (?) and Joe Hart as their future backbone of the team, with plenty of quality in the benches.

Back to topic, I hope Liverpool recovers quickly and sort out the new owners A.S.A.P. If we get a proper owner/s who can at least get the new stadium ready and avoid administration, we might be in for a good recovery. smile.gif
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there were once when football is an honour game. Belief and faith fill the arena. The history of the club will shake the opponent.

These days, you find player moving for record money (not to mention statement like "i believe we can challenge for title, i believe this club is the biggest, it's my childhood dream to play for this team)... then half way thru d season the very same player revolt to get out. Its a sin to sign a contract for over 100k/week (majority of this planet population dun even make tat much in a lifetime) and yet behave like a child. Just look at that Brazilian from the blue half of Manchester...!!!

Reality is money rule the game. Period. It all boil down to money. If we read the news (which is mostly rubbish), the most likely bidder for our club is also a close fren of the current owner (who in my imaginary world look like human in the shape of donkey grazing a field of money). It could be a case of delay their profit. Give it to someone i know to avoid the bank takeover and i can buy time to milk more profit. Given those donkeys track record, i am not surprise if this scenario turn out real.

So there you have it. Despite all these, my faith remain strong. Reality sucks but my faith keep me close to my club. I pray that reality just don't bulldoze my faith.


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Back then most of the players were only < 20m price tag so virtually most EPL clubs can get the players they wanted. It just boils down to the player's preference and choice to go to which club they want. It was more competitive and its up to the players to perform and managers to flex out their tactics and put up a good healthy fight.

Time changes and now the new fans are comparing us with big spending clubs, and hating our financial misfortune and losses. I've seen fans blasting LFC in the LFC facebook pages/forums and some even want to walk away. It sure is not easy to ask a new fan to cheer a losing team though...

But i agree with demio, I will keep my faith with LFC always. Touch wood, doesn't matter if we happen to be relegated or what...I will still support them till the very end.

YNWA

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wanna bet m.city fanz suddenly on the rise after this juz like when Abramovic takeover chelsea? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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relagated? i think we are far from that. We'll be living in mid-table challenging for 4th place. Europa will be familiar sight. my fren... that is what will happen to next year whatever happen come Oct.

Look at it this way. those donkeys want obscene money for ruining the club. No sane investor will do that. They buy for over 200mil. saddle the club with debts. put us mid table and ask for obscene profit to sell. If anyone will come in to buy now will be 1 helluva rich fella. Institution investor will not buy the club. Institution investor have shareholder to answer for. Only a ridiculously rich fella will buy knowing he/she do not have to answer to anyone. So the likely scenario is we will have to wait till Oct when RBS took over the club and sell to the bidder with some proof of money.

come Oct, transfer window is closed. We will have to do with who we have now. Then we wait till Jan window to open. By then all the good player will be cup-tied. Also in Jan you don't get good player in the market. Likely scenario, we are stuck with who we have until next summer. By then we will be again... challenging for 4th spot and likelyhood of Europa again.

my fella reds... be prepared for another season of "we have to start rebuilding all over again". I think we have this every.. maybe 4 or 5 or 6 years once. Vicious cycle.

I am not losing faith here. I would love to be challenging to be champion and not waking up early Fri morning to watch us playing in Europa but we have to realistic here.
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Hate to say this but basing on the personnel + rumbling on the board + financial state of the club + to a certain extend tactical nous of RH, only a miracle can take us to CL next season, best bet is Europa & we'll lose the brightest jewels we have. Reality bites wink.gif
Now its a wonder if we're not sucked into administration & forced into selling all stars. Come next season, most likely we'll start over again in smaller scale. Those dreaming of star signings should have reality checks, not when those cowboys still at helms shakehead.gif
Most still in denial that the club is in deeper shit than it seems. Even if there's new owner coming in, the rebuilding process will take a few years which seems to go on forever since King Kenny left.
I still think RH is not a long term solution rather a stop gap measure. Its to his credit that he's able to stabilize the ship but clearly, he's not the one to steer us to calm waters. Oh well, who in the right frame of his mind would want to come in the club at these trying times doh.gif

It'll be Souness era once more cry.gif

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:30 PM)
my fella reds... be prepared for another season of "we have to start rebuilding all over again".  I think we have this every.. maybe 4 or 5 or 6 years once.  Vicious cycle.

I am not losing faith here.  I would love to be challenging to be champion and not waking up early Fri morning to watch us playing in Europa but we have to realistic here.
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Too early to be pressing all the panic/hopeless buttons. Give RH a chance. After all, we gave RB 5 years+ and he left us in quite a mess. RH is an experienced, well-travelled professional who has managed both clubs and national sides. I like the team he assembled at Fulham altho' it was never going to be a CL team.

Once a manager leaves, a few players will feel unsettled and the whole team need to gel again - quite normal. Of course the excellent team gels much faster and LFC is not there yet. If RH is willing to listen (unlike RB) then we can be more hopeful going forward.

I believe we will do better than 7th this season and will probably be chasing a top 4 position. If RH can identify the really good players from the mediocre ones, motivate them quickly enough, who knows ...
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Yes I do hope under par players or players who haven't perform yet will step up their game like Babel, N'gog, Maxi Rodriguez, Jovanovic and Joe Cole can find their scoring boots and give us the cutting edge to grind results in the absense of Gerrard and/or Torres.

I feel they are the key to the success of Liverpool this season, for I do not want to put too much burden on Stevie G or Torres to do it themselves....
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Aug 25 2010, 02:34 PM)
Too early to be pressing all the panic/hopeless buttons.  Give RH a chance. After all, we gave RB 5 years+ and he left us in quite a mess.  RH is an experienced, well-travelled professional who has managed both clubs and national sides.  I like the team he assembled at Fulham altho' it was never going to be a CL team.

Once a manager leaves, a few players will feel unsettled and the whole team need to gel again - quite normal.  Of course the excellent team gels much faster and LFC is not there yet.  If RH is willing to listen (unlike RB) then we can be more hopeful going forward.

I believe we will do better than 7th this season and will probably be chasing a top 4 position.  If RH can identify the really good players from the mediocre ones, motivate them quickly enough, who knows ...
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yours & some LFc fans version seem to contradict a host of fans that seem to think rafa

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i would like to cut & paste lfc fans emails but that would be detrimental to the massive injustise how the fans round the world REALLY sees the failings for LFC.

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/story/0...6332938,00.html

i wholly agree that statements of Oliver Dziggel (Switzerland), Steven Charles, (Liverpool), daniel cohen.

I dont blame roy. He is Not the best candidate to ever manage LFC But the ONLY candidate amongst the rubbish candidates the owners have allowed.

We shouldnt have sack rafa would be a better option. We wer SO out of depth against MC. we have lost massively to the big guns before but there were critical stages in those match that could have gone either way. Rafa in his losing games with LFC, never lost without much real fight. Againsts MC we clearly looked like MID to bottom table team & massively headless against a newly assembled side who clearly didnt practice together for more then 2-weeks.

it pains me massively to see there are still some delusional LFc fans. we'll probably get some consolation win in the next games against lowly sides but its the totally out of sorts against teams that are our worthy adversaries

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 11:24 AM)
Yap..but we already pass our big spending time..we learn our lesson from Sheva..even Roman take it personally...We implement financial fairplay now..We only sign Ramires..around 20mil..benayoun 6mil..and a few youngsters..26mil come from the wages of Ballack,Joe Cole,Belletti,Deco,Cavalho..youngster we bought from the profit of loan fees...we dont spend big since sheva..only media link us with everyone..we understand the confusion...
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dont think financial fairplay really describe what happen to ski now. the truth is chelsea dont need to spent as much they once did so why bother. they got strong squad with better reputation and already a bigger club then before. its easier for ski to bring anyone now then few yrs ago. money no longer the main attraction to the club. bet if ski still the same like ranieri era or at the same place where city,pool now then money still pouring.. if roman got the money la. futhermore regarding ur statement ONLY signing ramires for around 20mil? honestly a 20mil for a youngster aint consider bargain/fair money. 26mil from ex player? ur chelsea accountant huh doh.gif

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QUOTE(onepack @ Aug 25 2010, 02:59 PM)
dont think financial fairplay really describe what happen to ski now. the truth is chelsea dont need to spent as much they once did so why bother. they got strong squad with better reputation and already a bigger club then before. its easier for ski to bring anyone now then few yrs ago. money no longer the main attraction to the club. bet if ski still the same like ranieri era or at the same place where city,pool now then money still pouring.. if roman got the money la. futhermore regarding ur statement ONLY signing ramires for around 20mil? honestly a 20mil for a youngster aint consider bargain/fair money. 26mil from ex player? ur chelsea accountant huh  doh.gif
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1-how do you know that it is not financial fairplay? at least we try...

2-that is why we sign many..

3-that is roman..and that is why chelsea fans always love him..he is a fan..he is passionate with the club..not owner that trash the club into debt..Roman even pay for some debt and demand us to start self sufficient and financial fairplay..you dont read much about chelsea..so dont bother talking...

4-20 mil for 1st 11 players in Brazil squad..with future..and after his performance in world cup..yes...

5-You dont understand how to calculate..26mil not all from the wages and fees..Ballack,Deco,Cavalho,Joe Cole and Belleti...

for examples...Joey demand 100,000 week chelsea release/out of contract...and sign Benayoun 60,000

We save about 40,000 weekly..the sum for a season about 2mil..dude..think about this..and not just Joe Cole...Ballack,Deco,Cavalho..and Belleti...i think we can get about 15 mybe...so plus some money everything good then...

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 02:13 PM)
1-how do you know that it is not financial fairplay? at least we try...

2-that is why we sign many..

3-that is roman..and that is why chelsea fans always love him..he is a fan..he is passionate with the club..not owner that trash the club into debt..Roman even pay for some debt and demand us to start self sufficient and financial fairplay..you dont read much about chelsea..so dont bother talking...

4-20 mil for 1st 11 players in Brazil squad..with future..and after his performance in world cup..yes...

5-You dont understand how to calculate..26mil not all from the wages and fees..Ballack,Deco,Cavalho,Joe Cole and Belleti...

for examples...Joey demand 100,000 week chelsea release/out of contract...and sign Benayoun 60,000

We save about 40,000 weekly..the sum for a season about 22mil..dude..think about this..and not just Joe Cole...Ballack,Deco,Cavalho..and Belleti...
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mcm jwp periksa la pulak tongue.gif

first of all u came with the idea of finacial fairplay just coz chelsea hv not spend as much. that pretty much a bold statement consider how much hv they spent before and the current situation/squad/performance are so much different than before. also dont forget ski still making loss from all the spending.
if roman clear the debt, passionate for club good for him and club then but still that doesnt change the fact he hv spent a lot of his own money which is not the club revenue to bring ski to where they are now and possibly will do the same if chelsea not challenging anymore.
if u consider ramires a fair deal then sheva definately worth the money maybe more with the current fluctuate market.
for the 26mil transfer.. just say ski saves a lot from the oldies la.

40,000 x 52 = 2,080,000

and thats about 2.1mil icon_rolleyes.gif
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mcm jwp periksa la pulak  tongue.gif

first of all u came with the idea of finacial fairplay just coz chelsea hv not spend as much. that pretty much a bold statement consider how much hv they spent before and the current situation/squad/performance are so much different than before. also dont forget ski still making loss from all the spending.
if roman clear the debt, passionate for club good for him and club then but still that doesnt change the fact he hv spent a lot of his own money which is not the club revenue to bring ski to where they are now and possibly will do the same if chelsea not challenging anymore.
if u consider ramires a fair deal then sheva definately worth the money maybe more with the current fluctuate market.
for the 26mil transfer.. just say ski saves a lot from the oldies la.

40,000 x 52 = 2,080,000

and thats about 2.1mil  icon_rolleyes.gif
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This is to support my points..that we use the wages to buy..

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Released trio shave £20M from Chelsea wage bill
10.06.10 | tribalfootball.com
READ MORE NEWS ON: Joe Cole, Chelsea, World Cup

Chelsea have cleared a massive £20 MILLION from their wage bill after the release of Joe Cole, Michael Ballack and Juliano Belletti yesterday.

The Daily Express says Chelsea have shaved an astonishing £20 million a year off their wage bill by allowing Cole, Ballack and Belletti to leave as free agents and Portugal midfielder Deco to join Brazilian club Fluminense after the World Cup for a nominal fee.

Cole was on about £90,000 a week, Ballack £130,000, Belletti £65,000 and Deco £96,000.
Without Deco and Cavalho already 20mil...

More references.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/released-tri...age-bill-897921
http://www.onenewspage.co.uk/news/Sports/2...a-wage-bill.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/worldcup...9&display=Ghana

Loss and Loan also Debt Issues..

Abramovich wipes out £340 million Chelsea debt
http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/index.p...nt&view=article

Chelsea now debt-free after Roman Abramovich writes off £340million loans

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Chelsea’s Annual Loss Narrows to 47 Million Pounds (Update1)
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April 13 (Bloomberg) -- English Premier League leader Chelsea said the loss for the year to June 30, 2009, narrowed to 47 million pounds ($72.5 million) from 70.4 million pounds the previous year as operating expenses fell.

Our loss getting lesser each season..we are trying our best to be self sufficient..




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You forget too quickly how valiantly we played the second half against Arsenal with 10 players. We could have won that game if not for that unfortunate incident right at the end. Delusional we are not. Hopeful and positive we definitely try to be. nod.gif

To say that we'll be "totally out of sorts" against the top 6 is really negative, and to be that negative so early in the season is ... so sad sad.gif
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By end of the season we should get promoted to the Npower Championship. Those !@#&* Yanks shouldn't get a single penny from Liverpool!
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Heated discussion?

...Liverpool buying Carlton Cole. Nice piece of addition. smile.gif
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Our loss getting lesser each season..we are trying our best to be self sufficient..
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okla ur proof u point.. finally
appreciate that,tq but dont hv time la nk baca.. too much icon_rolleyes.gif
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Still don't get it why RH let Aquilani go without giving him more time in official games. It is annoying but somehow I have a feeling that Aquilani gonna outperform himself in Juventus and then come back to us injured or unable to do the same in Juventus.

This seems to be the case with most players that we released/loaned out/sold. Keeping faith that somehow things will turned out better in the end though.
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-trabzon-clash
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Sadly I think that while money may not guarantee you the title, it certainly gives you a huge advantage over the rest so yeah, to a large degree, money does buy you titles. Mancs may argue that they can still challenge albeit not splurging in recent seasons but if you look at how fast Chelsea have closed the gap over the past 5 seasons, or how fast Man City have/are done so, money does help a great deal.

Our recent defeat to Man City was the worst we've had in what? 40 over years? Is it some coincidence it came at a time when their bench cost as much as our first team?
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Our recent defeat to Man City was the worst we've had in what? 40 over years? Is it some coincidence it came at a time when their bench cost as much as our first team?
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why u guys sounds like its gonna be a bad season again this year,it just only 2 frickin EPL games played doh.gif and it was against big teams,and arsenal just got lucky against our 10 men team,i believe if we win the other 2 games this week we r back on track,cuz we have a good team this season icon_rolleyes.gif
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why u guys sounds like its gonna be a bad season again this year,it just only 2 frickin EPL games played doh.gif and it was against big teams,and arsenal just got lucky against our 10 men team,i believe if we win the other 2 games this week we r back on track,cuz we have a good team this season icon_rolleyes.gif
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reading too much sport news perhaps or the fact that Rafa was replaced by a not-so-successful manager or maybe because one of the best holding midfielder is trying to leave or maybe because of our financial difficulties that we might get 9 points deduction by the end of the season if the debt keep rising... well, plenty of reasons to think about. But have faith my friend.. "hope is good thing"
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lets hope wigan , wba did not win any games.. otherwise we'll be at the bottom of the table..
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 25 2010, 09:25 PM)
why u guys sounds like its gonna be a bad season again this year,it just only 2 frickin EPL games played doh.gif and it was against big teams,and arsenal just got lucky against our 10 men team,i believe if we win the other 2 games this week we r back on track,cuz we have a good team this season icon_rolleyes.gif
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You also sound no confidence - believe if we win.

Historically, when was the last time after 2 match were we at the bottom 4?

QUOTE(Xcaliber @ Aug 26 2010, 06:05 AM)
lets hope wigan , wba did not win any games.. otherwise we'll be at the bottom of the table..
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 25 2010, 09:25 PM)
why u guys sounds like its gonna be a bad season again this year,it just only 2 frickin EPL games played doh.gif and it was against big teams,and arsenal just got lucky against our 10 men team,i believe if we win the other 2 games this week we r back on track,cuz we have a good team this season icon_rolleyes.gif
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I'm sure you've done some research to come to your conclusion as have I. I do think that we need a lot of optimism but that's when you are watching the team and cheering them on. In discussions, I find it more productive to be realistic and look at what we need to improve on. My outlook is that of a pessimist especially since we are in the same situation we were last season, with regards to ownership. The longer this issue is dragged on, the more the club, it's management and players will be unsettled. Imagine working in a corporation about to be taken over. You know for a fact that when new owners come in, chances are top management will be reshuffled. When that happens, other employees will be uncertain of their positions. You won't have peace of mind unless and until you know your position is secure. \

Whilst we are busy replacing outgoing players with incoming ones, our opponents are bolstering their squads. We are still reliant on Gerrard and Torres. The only other match winner we had last season was Benayoun and he's left. Maybe Cole will fill the void, maybe not. Who else? Jovanovic is a decent player but he isn't going to change the face of the game for you.

Our away form was poor last season and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better under Roy Hodgson who has similar difficulties last season. I admire that he went with two up front against Man City, but he should have made adjustments when it became clear N'Gog and Torres were isolated as City cut off supply lines to them. We created more chances towards the end of the game and had more room but that was because City had already gone 3 up. Before some posters go, "aiyah play negative football also you complain, play attacking football also complain", please note it isn't black & white here. You don't choose either strategy and stick with it the whole game, you adapt. You can start off on an attacking note, but drop back when you find you're getting overrun.

In terms of having a good team this season, I don't think our team is much different from last season. Here's why:-

1) Jovanovic effectively replaces Benayoun who started on the left for much of last season. I still think Benayoun has better ability.
2) Cole looks to play in the hole, a place occupied by Gerrard last season. I don't think many would disagree that Stevie is the better player.
3) Our attacking options from midfield look better with Gerrard dropping back there but losing Mascherano means our skipper will be spending a lot of time tracking back. We all know him as a box-to-box player or as Martin Tyler once quoted, "a one-man-task-force", but he is getting on a little and who knows if his legs will hold out over the course of the season? Our only hope is that Poulsen can replicated that Mascherano has been doing but I haven't seen enough of him to know this.

In summary, I'm not sure if we've improved especially if/when Mascherano leaves.
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Mourinho insists: I could never manage Liverpool

Jose Mourinho says he would gladly take over the managerial reins at Manchester United, Arsenal or even Chelsea - but he would never become coach of Liverpool.

Mourinho and ex-Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez never saw eye-to-eye

Mourinho, currently preparing for his first season as Real Madrid boss, says he harbours thoughts of a return to the Premier League but could never take the top job at Anfield.

While he was at former club Chelsea, Mourinho had a fractious relationship with then Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez, and he incensed their fans with a gesture during the Carling Cup final in 2005.

He told the Daily Mail: "Manchester United would be a great challenge for me. But Liverpool is not the club for me. I know why, but I cannot tell you. Tottenham, Everton... Arsenal maybe. These are all fine clubs with very good managers.

"You can dream of what happens in one, two, three or four years. Who knows? I cannot say, but I think you have an idea of what I think about. I had a dream about being the manager of Real Madrid. It has come true. For me that is incredible."

Although Mourinho insists his immediate priority is wresting the Spanish title from rivals Barcelona, he has again spoken of his desire to return to England one day.

He added: "My ambition is success and I wanted to manage Real Madrid. I have no plans to leave. I have only just arrived. There is much work to be done. I do not know how long it will take. But I give my commitment to Real Madrid and we will see. Nothing is forever.

"But I have to commit. I can't say Real Madrid one season, Manchester United, Liverpool the next, Barcelona after that. But I like England very much. I have many good friends there."

Mourinho refused to rule out the possibility of returning to former club Chelsea - the club that sacked him in September 2007 - where he won their first league title in 50 years.

He said: "Many of the Chelsea players are still good friends of mine and I always watch for their results and progress. They are doing well. Ancelotti is a fine coach and that is good for the club because they are a great club with many, many nice people."

"I am careful what I say and what I think. For me it might be impossible. I don't know. I am not saying I would not like to. Who knows? Football is strange and beautiful at the same time."

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When Mickey Owen left I also felt that we'd not be the same anymore...but things change and there are more emerging clubs out there who are more attractive than LFC, either by the number of trophies they have, the players/manager in the club or by $$$.

Arsenal too also lost all their players in their 'invinsible' era and they rely heavily on their youths to rebuild the team. Time for our youth and fringe players to buckle up then? The likes of Pacheco, Babel, Wilson, Darby, Kelly, Spearing (?) must step up their game and start by stopping Tranzponsbor in their tracks.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Aug 26 2010, 09:59 AM)
Mourinho insists: I could never manage Liverpool

Jose Mourinho  says he would gladly take over the managerial reins at Manchester United, Arsenal or even Chelsea - but he would never become coach of Liverpool.

Mourinho and ex-Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez never saw eye-to-eye

Mourinho, currently preparing for his first season as Real Madrid boss, says he harbours thoughts of a return to the Premier League but could never take the top job at Anfield.

While he was at former club Chelsea, Mourinho had a fractious relationship with then Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez, and he incensed their fans with a gesture during the Carling Cup final in 2005.

He told the Daily Mail: "Manchester United would be a great challenge for me. But Liverpool is not the club for me. I know why, but I cannot tell you. Tottenham, Everton... Arsenal maybe. These are all fine clubs with very good managers.

"You can dream of what happens in one, two, three or four years. Who knows? I cannot say, but I think you have an idea of what I think about. I had a dream about being the manager of Real Madrid. It has come true. For me that is incredible."

Although Mourinho insists his immediate priority is wresting the Spanish title from rivals Barcelona, he has again spoken of his desire to return to England one day.

He added: "My ambition is success and I wanted to manage Real Madrid. I have no plans to leave. I have only just arrived. There is much work to be done. I do not know how long it will take. But I give my commitment to Real Madrid and we will see. Nothing is forever.

"But I have to commit. I can't say Real Madrid one season, Manchester United, Liverpool the next, Barcelona after that. But I like England very much. I have many good friends there."

Mourinho refused to rule out the possibility of returning to former club Chelsea - the club that sacked him in September 2007 - where he won their first league title in 50 years.

He said: "Many of the Chelsea players are still good friends of mine and I always watch for their results and progress. They are doing well. Ancelotti is a fine coach and that is good for the club because they are a great club with many, many nice people."

"I am careful what I say and what I think. For me it might be impossible. I don't know. I am not saying I would not like to. Who knows? Football is strange and beautiful at the same time."

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he still felt bitter at liverpool bout that CL match...who cares if u dont want to manage liverpool! biggrin.gif tongue.gif


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it looks like konchecsky and another striker on the way to our club with masch leaving, kuyt might leave too.. hang in there guys, we might even start from a smaller scale next season, with the issue of the ownership not resolved, i dont see us heading for better days to look forward to.

anyway, with the squad that is travelling to turkey, i still expect us to get thru the tie into the main competition, time for the likes of pacheco, ngog, spearing, babel and kelly to get more competitive matches under their belt.
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It is ironic that no one wants to own one of the most successful clubs in England.

The obvious reason would be that the current muppets want a tidy sum of what, 800 million? That's probably more than the amount spent by both the owners of Chelsea or Man City in their first few seasons (takeover fee + player splurge) doh.gif

We also do not have a proper stadium. Anfield may still be a fortress to many a fan, but at best it is a crumbling one sad.gif

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However, everyone knows the above.

A certain part of me also thinks that the supporters themselves could be a turn off. No other English club has such vocal and well... mildly put 'potentially disruptive' supporters. The amount of wishful thinking, xenophobic hate and unrealistic demands posted on Liverpool forums can be overwhelming. Could this also be a reason why there are no takers?

I for one won't want to spend a fortune buying a club where the supporters are constantly baying "The club belongs to us! We want to have a say!!!".

The more reconciliatory and sober approach taken by some of the more senior RAWK members is therefore very welcome, to me anyways.
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omg the negative minded has spread again...
we target top4 this season so it shuldnot be hard..
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QUOTE(dfadzli @ Aug 25 2010, 09:00 PM)
Before transfer window, player linked with us

Defender

1- Konchesky
2- Mathieu Debuchy
3- Martin Caceres (Swap Macherano)
3- Salcido

Midfield

1- Ben Arfa
2- Mahamadou Diarra
3- Helb (Swap Macherano)

Striker

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2- Charlton Cole
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he still felt bitter at liverpool bout that CL match...who cares if u dont want to manage liverpool! biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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hmm, but his result is excellent ...

won the league for chelsea and inter ...
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 26 2010, 10:33 AM)
A certain part of me also thinks that the supporters themselves could be a turn off. No other English club has such vocal and well... mildly put 'potentially disruptive' supporters. The amount of wishful thinking, xenophobic hate and unrealistic demands posted on Liverpool forums can be overwhelming. Could this also be a reason why there are no takers?

I for one won't want to spend a fortune buying a club where the supporters are constantly baying "The club belongs to us! We want to have a say!!!".

The more reconciliatory and sober approach taken by some of the more senior RAWK members is therefore very welcome, to me anyways.
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Newcastle?

Possibly but on the flipside of the coin, you also have a loyal bunch of supporters who will be behind you all the way if you are taking the club in the right direction. Also, you have fans who are relatively patient, resulting in less pressure to pull a rabbit out of the hat. The supporters want but one thing, to ensure that club traditions are preserved and respected. Anything else can be done in the name of progress including moving away from Anfield, our home. From what I can see on forums like RAWK, more and more fans are also warming to OOTs, to the extent that they can even bring themselves to respect them to some degree.

In summary, Liverpool fans may be vocal and want to have a say but only when there is no respect shown by the owners to out history. Monetary wise, there is still a huge fan base to tap on despite relative quiet 2 decades.
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I think all the investors are waiting for the Oct dateline.... So the current yankees will be pressured to sell it off at .... maybe no profit made.

What happened to the other earlier so-called-potential buyer led by some counrty ex-player? They sound more like "Hike-up the price" bidder to me.
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QUOTE(Ken @ Aug 26 2010, 11:05 AM)
hmm, but his result is excellent ...

won the league for chelsea and inter ...
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clubs with loads of money...i really doubt he'll be a success if he manage liv who dont have the spending power as those two clubs nod.gif
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 25 2010, 10:25 PM)
why u guys sounds like its gonna be a bad season again this year,it just only 2 frickin EPL games played doh.gif and it was against big teams,and arsenal just got lucky against our 10 men team,i believe if we win the other 2 games this week we r back on track,cuz we have a good team this season icon_rolleyes.gif
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exactly 1 season ago with all the constraints that was levelled on rafa, we started the season quite badly.
DEJA VU.

many of us have seen the signs. True LFC fan have seen year in year out. to dismiss IT's only 2 games & nothing concrete evidence that the season wont turn out like last year is pure nonsense.

We dont have the caliber of squad like Man Utd, they fugg up their early games (losses) but recovered the season with strong finishes ie champions or runners up.

if LFc dont check the gap or measure against the strengths of such clubs, we are double F*****.
big capital double F. as mentioned the next games against low clubs (expected to win) won't disguise the fact we are using only a tried excuse of relying on gerrard & torres. We have no aces, no joker to succeed the long season.

take away monster march, I see us finishing the lower half of the table. thats very, very, very sad for all the club stands for.


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funnily, in some news reports where Mourinho was qouted, "LFc is getting worse, worse, worse". Mourinho was refering to the transfer situation AT Liverpool. (sell, sell then only buy)

Mischievously others picked it up & said it was aimed at rafa (methods). pleaze. Agree on last season's poor standings BUT 4 years with rafa did we get worse??, I remember all kind of records LFc achieved. no need to list them here, its all on record.

the only way RH can do NO worse then rafa on his FIRST season is miss top 4 & WIN Europa Cup in the same season. not too hard right??? (rafa did 5th & cemented a memorable miracle at istanbul)

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Mourinho refuse to state the record straight is because by condemning the transfer policy at LFC publicly means on a record he agrees with rafa. AND trust me they day LFc have owners who will BACK the manager with funds, Mourinho WILL wholeheartedly agree then LFc IS worth managing.

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Here's another indication that our short term goal is to halt the decline and not challenge for the title.

The players we've signed or are looking at signing are well into their late 20's. Two reasons for this I believe .

a) They are already at the peak of their careers i.e. the finished article.
b) They come cheaper, and from what I saw least season, we need squad depth. We need to bring players in without losing any in the meantime. As it is, Masherano looks to be leaving and there's talk about Kuyt going now.

We aren't looking to the future at this point. Hodgson has clearly been told that has to stabilise the club and keep us where we are until we find new owners and there is a substantial kitty made available.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 26 2010, 02:53 PM)
Here's another indication that our short term goal is to halt the decline and not challenge for the title.

The players we've signed or are looking at signing are well into their late 20's. Two reasons for this I believe .

a) They are already at the peak of their careers i.e. the finished article.
b) They come cheaper, and from what I saw least season, we need squad depth. We need to bring players in without losing any in the meantime. As it is, Masherano looks to be leaving and there's talk about Kuyt going now.

We aren't looking to the future at this point. Hodgson has clearly been told that has to stabilise the club and keep us where we are until we find new owners and there is a substantial kitty made available.
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very valid points.

to removed Masherano & kuyt (2 probably the 2 hardest working players, bar carra. though not key players would could single-hand win games, their contributions are still worthy & immensely treasured)

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Kuyt and Mascherano will probably leave by next week, and every single penny from their sale will go towards the servicing of the debts.thats what i see is going to happen. goodness why are we being linked to Paul Konchesky! baffles me to infinity, yes he was Roy's player but have become what i can classify exactly a midtable team fighting for scraps of Europa League qualification

No doubt I'll be sad to see the back of Kuyt if he leaves but at least we have backups to replace him namely Maxi and not forgetting we can push Johnson to the wing and promote Kelly. all the ins and out with our better players in the club reminds of a saying stumbled upon once,... you either sit on the chair or be on the menu.
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well there arent many lb available right now, plus konchesky is like 29 now and have a year left in his contract with fulham, probably a few reasons y roy wants him besides already working with him previously.
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There is something about the number 29 isn't there?
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Aug 26 2010, 02:46 PM)
well there arent many lb available right now, plus konchesky is like 29 now and have a year left in his contract with fulham, probably a few reasons y roy wants him besides already working with him previously.
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What about the one we already have at the club? they arent exactly what you call World Class but they are darn slight better than Konchesky arent they? and why re-sign Aurelio in first place if he's gonna be benched. I'd wonder who's really in charge of the transfer's at the club.. Purslow or Roy...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 26 2010, 02:51 PM)
There is something about the number 29 isn't there?
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cole and jova are 29 too if m not mistaken

QUOTE(triple02 @ Aug 26 2010, 02:58 PM)
What about the one we already have at the club? they arent exactly what you call World Class but they are  darn slight better than Konchesky arent they? and why re-sign Aurelio in first place if he's gonna be benched. I'd wonder who's really in charge of the transfer's at the club.. Purslow or Roy...
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atm, we only have aurelio and insua, insua seems mia, or has he been transferred to genoa or smtg ? icon_question.gif well, aurelio is injury prone, and i dont wanna c agger there covering as a makeshift lb.. as of now like duke said, it is more of a damage limitation this season.. so i guess the europa qualification is the minimum and while the 4th spot still realistic, the competition is tough. its a long season, we can only hope for the best.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 26 2010, 01:53 PM)
Here's another indication that our short term goal is to halt the decline and not challenge for the title.

The players we've signed or are looking at signing are well into their late 20's. Two reasons for this I believe .

a) They are already at the peak of their careers i.e. the finished article.
b) They come cheaper, and from what I saw least season, we need squad depth. We need to bring players in without losing any in the meantime. As it is, Masherano looks to be leaving and there's talk about Kuyt going now.

We aren't looking to the future at this point. Hodgson has clearly been told that has to stabilise the club and keep us where we are until we find new owners and there is a substantial kitty made available.
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Challenge title? Never cross my mind ever once, no offence
We must realistic, current squad is a Europa League qualification and have slight/slim hope for CL.

The club financial is weak, you don't get cheap with young gun with lot of quality or proven quality mid-20's players.
Either go to unproven young gun and hope they can develop, or go for late-20's or 30 proven PL players.

But go for young gun if turn out not so good, you may risk into total mid-table team. So the safe option is for short term for go cheaper alternative late-20's proven PL player, which shouldn't cost too much in term of transfer fee.

The manager appointment or contract is 2 years which speak all.
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nobody commented on the stories that RH is trying to buy Carlton Cole from westham and FOR 15M pound?

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QUOTE(imin @ Aug 26 2010, 03:54 PM)
nobody commented on the stories that RH is trying to buy Carlton Cole from westham and FOR 15M pound?

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It's seems there is another big issue rather than this one...heheh

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 26 2010, 03:43 PM)
Challenge title? Never cross my mind ever once, no offence
We must realistic, current squad is a Europa League qualification and have slight/slim hope for CL.


None taken. I mentioned much earlier I think we'll finish 6th. It's just I see some posters are a little more optimistic.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 26 2010, 03:43 PM)
The club financial is weak, you don't get cheap with young gun with lot of quality or proven quality mid-20's players.
Either go to unproven young gun and hope they can develop, or go for late-20's or 30 proven PL players.

But go for young gun if turn out not so good, you may risk into total mid-table team. So the safe option is for short term for go cheaper alternative late-20's proven PL player, which shouldn't cost too much in term of transfer fee.

The manager appointment or contract is 2 years which speak all.
I can understand why we're bringing in players around that age in. The point to consider is that if we bring in too many, we'll need time to revamp the squad again once our climate has stabilised. We'll need to bring in another round of players and I don't see it happening all at once unless we strike the jackpot. It means our rebuilding will take even more time so we shouldn't expect too much, too soon.


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Do you mean the tragedy that happen on the 29th?  hmm.gif
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Looks like Paul Konchesky is after all on the way to Liverpool as Fulham is closing on Mexican left back...

Chances of Mascherano staying is less then 10% as Inter have submitted their offer wic is estimated around 20million.. Its a two horse race between Barcelona n Inter.. But if barca can come up wif more $$ n offer Hleb n the Uruguayan right back, it wil b a gud deal too.... We need some1 to compete wif Glen J so tat he can perform consistently n as backup too if he is injured (attacking minded player)... Hleb as proved is quality wif Arsenal...

But Liverpool was linked wif Lille's Right back too, but nt much updates on tat...
Hope so Liverpool wil get Diarra as replacement from Real, wic wil b the best possible replacement wif current financial situation....

Nt sure wat gone happen to kuyt! But Ben Arfa was also linked wif Liverpool, no updates yet on that but he might be on the way to Anfield if Kuyt is leaving...

But there is no news about any strikers yet! 2 strikers are linked to Liverpool on loan wic r Mario Gomez n Trezeguet but no updates yet so far...
N looks like Sotiris Kyrgiakos and Insua r on the way to Juventus too... 5 days more to go, n hope so they can sign few more new faces wic wil b great for the club, lets keep our fingers crossed!!

Its a revolution for Liverpool, squad reshuffle! Let wait till the last day n c wats gone happen....

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None taken. I mentioned much earlier I think we'll finish 6th. It's just I see some posters are a little more optimistic.
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Aug 26 2010, 06:23 PM)
haha maybe i am when i decided to support a "sinking" club like Liverpool(no offense on that as i truly support LFC now),as some of u might noticed im an ex-gunners supporter,no need to mentioned futher the reason why changed of heart,it just coming from a promising team like Arsenal to a sinking one,must supposed be optimistic right? nod.gif but then again i know the situation the club having rite now but i was just trying to post some positive things for everybody to look forward to at least wink.gif
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can we ask players to put aside owner problem and focus on the field? but not all people have the same mindset isn't? so who can make our player focus?
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we have a couple of big players (world class/grade A++) who (desperately) wants to WIN trophies, well all LFc players wants to WIN trophies but in the back of these Grade A++ players minds, IS the team good enough now to even climb above 7th place.
sure they can try, & try & try again, but

can we blame them with all the shing bangs going on??
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 26 2010, 12:48 PM)
exactly 1 season ago with all the constraints that was levelled on rafa, we started the season quite badly.
DEJA VU.

many of us have seen the signs. True LFC fan have seen year in year out. to dismiss IT's only 2 games & nothing concrete evidence that the season wont turn out like last year is pure nonsense.

We dont have the caliber of squad like Man Utd, they fugg up their early games (losses) but recovered the season with strong finishes ie champions or runners up.

if LFc dont check the gap or measure against the strengths of such clubs, we are double F*****.
big capital double F. as mentioned the next games against low clubs (expected to win) won't disguise the fact we are using only a tried excuse of relying on gerrard & torres. We have no aces, no joker to succeed the long season.

take away monster march, I see us finishing the lower half of the table. thats very, very, very sad for all the club stands for.


Added on August 26, 2010, 1:04 pm
funnily, in some news reports where Mourinho was qouted, "LFc is getting worse, worse, worse". Mourinho was refering to the transfer situation AT Liverpool. (sell, sell then only buy)

Mischievously others picked it up & said it was aimed at rafa (methods). pleaze. Agree on last season's poor standings BUT 4 years with rafa did we get worse??, I remember all kind of records LFc achieved. no need to list them here, its all on record.

the only way RH can do NO worse then rafa on his FIRST season is miss top 4 & WIN Europa Cup in the same season. not too hard right??? (rafa did 5th & cemented a memorable miracle at istanbul)
Mourinho refuse to state the record straight is because by condemning the transfer policy at LFC publicly means on a record he agrees with rafa. AND trust me they day LFc have owners who will BACK the manager with funds, Mourinho WILL wholeheartedly agree then LFc IS worth managing.
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he don't want liverpool maybe because heartbreak....read somewhere he offer himself to liverpool but liverpool rejected him and choose houlier...don't know if this true or not.

btw...Hatem ben arfa price is around 7m...why RH not try him
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any live broadcast for liverpool match (europa league)?
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i mean do you have any link to watch the game?
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http://vipcanals.net/ch2.html

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arhh.. just back from work.. miss out the first half.. 1-0 down already..
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arhh.. just back from work.. miss out the first half.. 1-0 down already..
are we playing badly?
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very bad,,
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very bad,,
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we started of badly, but we improved as half time approached...
tho we are still poor with the final ball in.
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why didnt we start babel on the left, aurelio at left back
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http://www.iraqgoals.tv/ch1.html

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Added on August 27, 2010, 2:33 am2nd half is starting..hope things will get better

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no wonder we r play in europa instead of eufa =.=
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ngog missed a point blank opportunity..
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ngog should've scored T_T
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QUOTE(skyz @ Aug 27 2010, 02:41 AM)
how can he miss tat header??????????????????????????????? zzz
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skull structure problem maybe
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the central midfielder seems to be standing still in the middle of the field?
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thx but abit lag T__T


Added on August 27, 2010, 3:05 amno live on astro ke???

really lag der

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no lag at all.. using 1mbps connection only.
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may i ask why is torres not playing? he played againts city didnt he
such crucial game for liverpool hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Quick` @ Aug 27 2010, 03:07 AM)
may i ask why is torres not playing? he played againts city didnt he
such crucial game for liverpool  hmm.gif
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he's rested for upcoming games.
RH hinted that Europa is for young boys to earn caps.
most senior players wont be involved in this qualifying especially the star players.

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7 minutes to go..lets hope our defence can cope..
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glad it was their defender that made the final touch.. if it was N'gog then he would certainly miss that..

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Dude even if they score 1 also we win by away goal rules la

Unless they score 2...which is almost impossible for the time left biggrin.gif
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Dude even if they score 1 also we win by away goal rules la

Unless they score 2...which is almost impossible for the time left biggrin.gif
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glad it was their defender that made the final touch.. if it was N'gog then he would certainly miss that..
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Dude even if they score 1 also we win by away goal rules la

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great strike from pacheco...easy for kuyt..we thru to the grup stage!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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YES KUYT DON LEAVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE GOAL PROVES YOU'RE STILL HAVE LOVE FOR US !!!

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QUOTE(cheez @ Aug 27 2010, 03:08 AM)
use vipcanal. tht link really no lag. lol...


Added on August 27, 2010, 3:09 am
he's rested for upcoming games.
RH hinted that Europa is for young boys to earn caps.
most senior players wont be involved in this qualifying especially the star players.
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but i supposed both gerard and torres will start againts WBA right? unsure.gif


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QUOTE(sahathai @ Aug 27 2010, 03:13 AM)
glad it was their defender that made the final touch.. if it was N'gog then he would certainly miss that..
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Ngog missed that open header, but apart from that, he did a good job. First time i'm seeing him running around helping his mates. Is it just me, or did Poulsen seem really tired?
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congratz everyone...
still a lot to do especially in the build up play. we need more support run from the central midfielder but rite now only stevie has the legs to run from box to box.
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a comeback win!..that's gonna boost the morale in the dressing room..rclxms.gif
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lets party

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lets party

how to sleep wif such a win rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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yeahhhh... imma partyyy imma partehhhhhh
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yam seng rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

Liverpool secured a safe passage into the group stage of the Europa League after grinding out a 2-1 win over Trabzonspor in Turkey as Roy Hodgson became the first Reds boss since Bill Shankly to win his first four European games in charge of the club.

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we do have a good team...the only problem is when we meet strong teams..thats when we'll realize how big a gap our squad is compare to them in terms of quality nod.gif
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yea maybe,but still if we got our mentality straight even against the top dogs we can hold our own wink.gif ,in the team i believe
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Kuyt: I'm staying at Liverpool

Dirk Kuyt has quelled speculation surrounding his future by insisting: "I'm staying at Liverpool."

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man of the match: Joe Cole
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man of the match: Joe Cole
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guys.. have highlights for this match??
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we do have a good team...the only problem is when we meet strong teams..thats when we'll realize how big a gap our squad is compare to them in terms of quality nod.gif
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we all acknowledge we have a good team. decent enough last 2 seasons to walk on top european teams. 4-1. 4-0s & several scores i cant remember. But like a well geared car, we need improvements of personels to chase the competition, if others were adding quad turbos, multi HP injections, Lfc cannot be too dependen on existing mods. We cant change the car, complete overhaul or better mods cant be back from the board, there was only how much we can keep up.
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guys, got any highlights for the match???
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edit

stupid uploader...

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QUOTE(normeck @ Aug 27 2010, 08:40 AM)
That wast 1st leg bro.huhu. I was looking d highlight has been searching but couldn't find any.huhu
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Walao eh damn tension when I go livescore.net just now to check the score ... fuuh .. lucky 1-2 win zzz gonna watch the highlights later
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go footytube.com

i always get all the latest highlight from there.....

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Too early in the season to go so negative, throwing in the towel, condemning this player and that etc.. Too early in the season to swing the other way also.

Don't laugh, but Ngog has the makings of a great striker. Like the two sides of a coin, a great player needs skills on one side and confidence on the other. A great manager must be good in cultivation and motivation. I think RH is miles ahead of RB in these areas.

To be sure, RB did buy many good players. Unfortunately due to his non-communicative and dictatorial style, he neither cultivated nor motivated players like Babel, Benayoun, Riera, Pacheco (and a host of youngsters with great potential) and some of them actually declined during their stay in LFC.

Hopefully, things will be very different from now on. We will have a good season but there might be ups and downs along the way. Let's get behind our team!
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QUOTE(azzurious_rs @ Aug 27 2010, 03:54 AM)
Kuyt: I'm staying at Liverpool

Dirk Kuyt has quelled speculation surrounding his future by insisting: "I'm staying at Liverpool."

source - liverpoolfc.tv
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that should be good news to us, y oh shit ? unsure.gif
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http://www.manchelivarse.com/ <-- link for highlights

@duke, just click on the links on the thread during matchday (many ppl will post) and you're good to go.
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QUOTE(cheez @ Aug 27 2010, 12:21 PM)
http://www.manchelivarse.com/  <-- link for highlights

@duke, just click on the links on the thread during matchday (many ppl will post) and you're good to go.
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Aug 27 2010, 09:42 AM)
Too early in the season to go so negative, throwing in the towel, condemning this player and that etc.. Too early in the season to swing the other way also.

Don't laugh, but Ngog has the makings of a great striker.  Like the two sides of a coin, a great player needs skills on one side and confidence on the other. A great manager must be good in cultivation and motivation.  I think RH is miles ahead of RB in these areas.

To be sure, RB did buy many good players.  Unfortunately due to his non-communicative and dictatorial style, he neither cultivated nor motivated players like Babel, Benayoun, Riera, Pacheco (and a host of youngsters with great potential) and some of them actually declined during their stay in LFC.

Hopefully, things will be very different from now on.  We will have a good season but there might be ups and downs along the way.  Let's get behind our team!
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I agree with you on the molding new talents issue.
When I saw Babel and Ngog coming in, I thought they could shine like those young lads in Arsenal. I for 1 salute Arsenal's youth/young talents development.

I rated Babel and Ngog highly but they didn't seem to shine under RB. RB is a good manager, don't want to take anything away from him but maybe, just maybe he's not good enough in motivating and getting the best out of these young lads.

Under RH, these lads seems to be getting more playing time and Pachecho looks promising too. But I'll stick to Babel and Ngog.
Hopefully they can improve and bolster our attacking options.

YNWA.
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cant wait what liverpool hv in store this sunday,after that comeback win last nite,im expecting a more motivated style of play from the team,and even better it's home game summore,man cant wait! rclxm9.gif
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Whats the latest news about Mascherano ?
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Masch will out soon.. can't wait for that... i suddenly hate him so much..
u know why? becos of masch, we got big lost to mancity...
with that kind of attitude he showed recently, i really hope n pray to god that he will left us n he can go to h*ll!

gud bye masch! we dun need u anymore. we got Poulsen who is much better than u! rclxms.gif
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To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that some of you have turned against Masch so suddenly without even trying to understand his predicament. His personal life always comes first, as it should with any player. He has shown so much commitment and passion whenever he's played but it's no secret his wife has had a hard time settling. The problem already surfaced last season but she probably thought shed give it a go. Have you lived in Liverpool? It's not exactly a paradise. Clearly she still hasn't settled and now that he's got a chance to move and make her happy, he's taking it. We know he didn't feel that he was in the right frame of mind to play but it isn't as though he's suddenly taken a swing at the team criticizing us for forcing him to stay. I urge fans today not to have short memories and not be so fickle. He is a red and soon he will be a former red. He has played with all his heart each time and I thank him for his service. The time has come for us to part and I wish him well. Have some class and show him some gratitude.

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Liverpool agreed a deal on masch...its on the liverpool website..but didnt state what the deal was..
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 27 2010, 02:03 PM)
To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that some of you have turned against Masch so suddenly without even trying to understand his predicament. His personal life always comes first, as it should with any player. He has shown so much commitment and passion whenever he's played but it's no secret his wife has had a hard time settling. The problem already surfaced last season but she probably thought shed give it a go. Have you lived in Liverpool? It's not exactly a paradise. Clearly she still hasn't settled and now that he's got a chance to move and make her happy, he's taking it. We know he didn't feel that he was in the right frame of mind to play but it isn't as though he's suddenly taken a swing at the team criticizing us for forcing him to stay. I urge fans today not to have short memories and not be so fickle. He is a red and soon he will be a former red. He has played with all his heart each time and I thank him for his service. The time has come for us to part and I wish him well. Have some class and show him some gratitude.

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yeah.. we shouldn't put our blame on mascherano. he just want his wife to get better and happy. We can all see him play so well with blood and sweat during the first game against arsenal.
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goodbye mascherano. thanks for the argentinian passion at LFc. its unfortunate we didnt have more CL big nights with you.

godspeed the little monster masch.
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i give u all an example to think; u got a very pretty, sexy, the best girlfriend. suddenly your girlfriend dump u and wanna break up with u, becos she found a better guy. what do u think? can u forgive her on the spot? of course u will blame her or hate her 1st, u may need time as well to heal your heart pain...
so, can u guys apply this to this masch's issue?
reason can only be a reason.. u guys believe masch wanna leave us becos of his family? come on guys, this is just a bullshit excuses i've ever heard...
no offence to anybody, i just feel something is not right here.. that's all...
i'm not simply critised our own player, loosing Alonso is already a jeorpardy, to loose masch is double jeopardy for me...
it's like loosing my loved one....


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 27 2010, 02:03 PM)
To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that some of you have turned against Masch so suddenly without even trying to understand his predicament. His personal life always comes first, as it should with any player. He has shown so much commitment and passion whenever he's played but it's no secret his wife has had a hard time settling. The problem already surfaced last season but she probably thought shed give it a go. Have you lived in Liverpool? It's not exactly a paradise. Clearly she still hasn't settled and now that he's got a chance to move and make her happy, he's taking it. We know he didn't feel that he was in the right frame of mind to play but it isn't as though he's suddenly taken a swing at the team criticizing us for forcing him to stay. I urge fans today not to have short memories and not be so fickle. He is a red and soon he will be a former red. He has played with all his heart each time and I thank him for his service. The time has come for us to part and I wish him well. Have some class and show him some gratitude.

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