About the new Gen2, anyone know about the specs and do you have interest on buying this car? I have seen it but still have no confident and trust in Proton car.
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i'hv interest on this new sedan... waiting till launch... 15 august, wanna test drive with my family.. 1.6, new campro... 55litle bootspace, medium line got 1 air bag, new sport rim, rm 49800, metalic, anymore??
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NEW SEDAN 1.6AT H-LINE
OTR - RM 55,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT M-LINE OTR - RM 49,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT M-LINE OTR - RM 52,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE SOLID OTR 45,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE SOLID OTR - 48,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE METALLIC OTR RM 45,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE METALLIC OTR - RM 48,300.00 It will be available in 1.3 and 1.6 campro with variable valve timing. here are the changes and new feaures: exterior: front bumper front fog lamps (1.6 model only) headlamps 16-inch alloy wheels (1.6 model only) rear bumper number plate on bootlid/tailgate bootlid/tailgate key lock interior: redesigned front seats redesigned steering wheel grey interior digital clock power window switches on door armrests blaupunkt mp3 cd player (1.6 model only) glove box redesigned door handles redesigned gear knob redesigned hand brake lever front seats with back pockets mechanical: redesigned power window mechanisms retuned suspensions door intrusion beams front bumper with reinforced steel collapsable steering system remote bootlid/tailgate release H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp 1.3 campro performance details: power = 73KW ( 98bhp ) @ 5500rpm torque = 128 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.0l/100km 0 -100 kmh @ 11.6 secs 1.6 campro performance details: power = 91 KW (122 bhp) @ 5500rpm torque = 167 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.4l/100 Km 0 -100 kmh @ 10.4 secs gen2 sedan dimensions: length = 4335 width = 1725 height = 1435 |
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the spec is very impressive with the price .. compare with a vios/city
i very interested to buy it y no confident ? proton own lotus and lotus a famous company ... as good as ferrari company |
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Jul 23 2007, 12:10 PM
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i own replica ferrari diecast, as good as real ferrari car
does that makes me a rich guy? put that aside, i think that is a good deal, provided the interior at least same as waja campro, if not better |
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QUOTE(Ken @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) the spec is very impressive with the price .. compare with a vios/city Ya i know it own lotus. But everytime i read newspaper and saw those proton car split in half when bang the tree i very interested to buy it y no confident ? proton own lotus and lotus a famous company ... as good as ferrari company   . The people inside |
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Jul 23 2007, 12:14 PM
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u all still interested in Proton.
Waste alot of rakyat want money. Proton own lotus company. This is not a very big deal. But is a waste money. They had establish their company for more that 20 year. Somehow the quality on the current market is damn shit. I will not have my life with Proton. Proton louzy Hidup tanpa proton, Malaysia boleh. This post has been edited by dazzle: Jul 23 2007, 12:15 PM |
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QUOTE(dazzle @ Jul 23 2007, 12:14 PM) u all still interested in Proton. I like the last phrase. But i own a proton. Just started to come out and work. Hope to find some $$ and change car Waste alot of rakyat want money. Proton own lotus company. This is not a very big deal. But is a waste money. They had establish their company for more that 20 year. Somehow the quality on the current market is damn shit. I will not have my life with Proton. Proton louzy Hidup tanpa proton, Malaysia boleh.  |
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Jul 23 2007, 12:18 PM
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with the actual campro engine, and a sedan version. It might be a better car than its previous gen2 lor..hehehe
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Jul 23 2007, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) i'hv interest on this new sedan... waiting till launch... 15 august, wanna test drive with my family.. 1.6, new campro... 55litle bootspace, medium line got 1 air bag, new sport rim, rm 49800, metalic, anymore?? You made a typo mistake. 55 litters of boot space is pathetic. |
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Jul 23 2007, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(nitsujyuen @ Jul 23 2007, 12:18 PM) with the actual campro engine, and a sedan version. It might be a better car than its previous gen2 lor..hehehe Agree but who knows what disaster await us  |
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Jul 23 2007, 12:26 PM
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that true, I rather buy kancil & Myvi.
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Jul 23 2007, 12:36 PM
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there is 2-3 threads discussing about this new sedan
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QUOTE(dazzle @ Jul 23 2007, 12:26 PM) that true, I rather buy kancil & Myvi. wah... rather buy kancil and myvi? care to explain further? |
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QUOTE(Naka7a @ Jul 23 2007, 12:44 PM) wah... rather buy kancil and myvi? care to explain further? yeahless electronic stuff, less problem, less headache, kcng famous quote  |
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Jul 23 2007, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(Ken @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) the spec is very impressive with the price .. compare with a vios/city If you want to compare i think u can take a 3 years vios/city and then compare with a 3 years proton. Then you can see how impressive is it....i very interested to buy it y no confident ? proton own lotus and lotus a famous company ... as good as ferrari company Own Lotus so??? VW also don't want to buy it .... Just my comment. This post has been edited by jehutyz: Jul 23 2007, 01:32 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 23 2007, 01:31 PM) If you want to compare i think u can take a 3 years vios/city and then compare with a 3 years proton. Then you can see how impressive is it.... Own Lotus so??? VW also don't want to buy it .... Just my comment.  You got HIM!! You got him. LOL |
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Jul 23 2007, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(dazzle @ Jul 23 2007, 12:14 PM) u all still interested in Proton. ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher. Waste alot of rakyat want money. Proton own lotus company. This is not a very big deal. But is a waste money. They had establish their company for more that 20 year. Somehow the quality on the current market is damn shit. I will not have my life with Proton. Proton louzy Hidup tanpa proton, Malaysia boleh.  Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be. 20yr's is very young for a car company. Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years! About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc). I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt. The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags. edited: grammatical errors. This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 23 2007, 01:58 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:00 PM
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im looking forward how the quality would be..spec how good aso useless if everything is badly put together
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Jul 23 2007, 02:04 PM
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we all hoped that the interior built quality is pretty much the same as a vios or city.......i think...
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Jul 23 2007, 02:07 PM
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if the specs feralee posted are true, then this might be something really worthwhile indeed.
well, bashers generally can't afford other cars apart from Proton, so that's why they bash, they think without Proton they can buy a City at Gen2 prices lol.. keep dreaming |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:11 PM
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Ok i am a marketing fellow. And i learn a lot from multi national company. All my case are base on real life example as this company do search for consultation from my marketing organisation.
Do you know toyota owning the world currently most effecient manufacturing plant in the world. Their cost per car is around 20-30k. Definitely there is reason and where the can minimise their cost. Guess how much Proton production cost for a normal Wira. Is around the same like toyota. You know why? 1) Demand less than production. So you can see many proton car lying around. VW only produce when ever their customer demand for 1. Estimate 1 day only you can get a car LOL. National Geo got shows it 2) Human resource over loaded. When you don't need to produce so much car why need them 3) Selecting wrong partners. Selecting the cheapest will only cause many defect. Do you know if toyota found out their partner have any defect they will return all the parts back? That is how strict they are. |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:14 PM
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i owned a proton iswara now but i never ever a supporter for proton with such lousy quality...
proton stuff just can't really last for the first 2-3 years... I've no choice that time, but i still have choice in the future... Trying so hard to earn more money now and change to Toyota or Honda which capable in giving you more reliable and quality car...  |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:18 PM
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that commercial was quite a stunner eh?
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Jul 23 2007, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(feralee @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) NEW SEDAN 1.6AT H-LINE U sure about this? OTR - RM 55,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT M-LINE OTR - RM 49,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT M-LINE OTR - RM 52,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE SOLID OTR 45,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE SOLID OTR - 48,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE METALLIC OTR RM 45,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE METALLIC OTR - RM 48,300.00 It will be available in 1.3 and 1.6 campro with variable valve timing. here are the changes and new feaures: exterior: front bumper front fog lamps (1.6 model only) headlamps 16-inch alloy wheels (1.6 model only) rear bumper number plate on bootlid/tailgate bootlid/tailgate key lock interior: redesigned front seats redesigned steering wheel grey interior digital clock power window switches on door armrests blaupunkt mp3 cd player (1.6 model only) glove box redesigned door handles redesigned gear knob redesigned hand brake lever front seats with back pockets mechanical: redesigned power window mechanisms retuned suspensions door intrusion beams front bumper with reinforced steel collapsable steering system remote bootlid/tailgate release H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp 1.3 campro performance details: power = 73KW ( 98bhp ) @ 5500rpm torque = 128 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.0l/100km 0 -100 kmh @ 11.6 secs 1.6 campro performance details: [/b]power = 91 KW (122 bhp) @ 5500rpm [/b] torque = 167 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.4l/100 Km 0 -100 kmh @ 10.4 secs gen2 sedan dimensions: length = 4335 width = 1725 height = 1435  Why H-Line only have AT  Btw, variable valve timing means CPS or VIM? This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 23 2007, 02:26 PM |
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proton using HID headlamp for the H-line model? sure boh?
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 01:55 PM) ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher. I very believe they are wasting our money,then tell me what wrong with proton buying a motorcycle company for such big sum & selling it for only few Ringgit?Tell me why?Tell la dude..tell la!!!Even VW pun tak mau beli,later tarik them kebawah also..Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be. 20yr's is very young for a car company. Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years! About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc). I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt. The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags. edited: grammatical errors. Who wanna go for BMW..why do u take a BMW 3 series to compare,take the honda city & toyata vios is enough to compare against waja..the city & vios was tax higher just to protect proton.."hidup tanpa proton,malaysia boleh" that time all of average malaysian can afford a city & vios. If u say 20years is still young..how long do you want our nation money to be wasted more? you know why we are getting pull back go hear this & u will know why, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczMNH0dbEQ (chinese only can understand) after 20years we should be earning not losing..we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?tell la dude? |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:33 PM
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i found dat the major of proton problem is their supplier for the part..which built in low quality ..
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HID is still illegal in M'sia for those retrofitters & aftermarket modifications.
However they'd still allow for stock production cars that has HIDs in their standard specifications. eg. Honda Civic 2.0 QUOTE(enova @ Jul 23 2007, 02:26 PM) proton using HID headlamp for the H-line model? sure boh? meaning HID is legal in malaysia dy? |
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:28 PM) I very believe they are wasting our money,then tell me what wrong with proton buying a motorcycle company for such big sum & selling it for only few Ringgit?Tell me why?Tell la dude..tell la!!!Even VW pun tak mau beli,later tarik them kebawah also.. lolWho wanna go for BMW..why do u take a BMW 3 series to compare,take the honda city & toyata vios is enough to compare against waja..the city & vios was tax higher just to protect proton.."hidup tanpa proton,malaysia boleh" that time all of average malaysian can afford a city & vios. If u say 20years is still young..how long do you want our nation money to be wasted more? you know why we are getting pull back go hear this & u will know why, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczMNH0dbEQ (chinese only can understand) after 20years we should be earning not losing..we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?tell la dude? loser on the speak i like this word we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton? perodua, better than proton lolz how old are u anyway? joined working force edi? if not, then clearly u still dont understand how the world works This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jul 23 2007, 02:41 PM |
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Jul 23 2007, 02:33 PM) i found dat the major of proton problem is their supplier for the part..which built in low quality .. That's happen when they have too many vendors. They cant control the quality becoz of too many vendors. |
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Jul 23 2007, 02:43 PM
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No matter how Proton still have a distinct advantage over all other brand car manufacturer
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jul 23 2007, 02:39 PM) lol who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton..loser on the speak i like this word we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton? perodua, better than proton lolz how old are u anyway? joined working force edi? if not, then clearly u still dont understand how the world works but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing.. |
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Popcorn anyone? ngeh..i did like a few proton's model..and i totally agree that Proton's built quality sucks. Most of the cars can only last about 3-4 years. after that..everything seems to fall apart.
For perodua...my family bought our first perodua model..(myvi)..Still early to judge the quality..(for sure the rubber lining on the roof gone already..kene tiup angin maybe...then the reverse sensor replaced once...disc brake also replaced already...vibrate..vibrate.. ;p ) After 3-4 years..i'll post my comment about perodua cars ok. for now..i still feel that proton can perform and improve in near future..at least better than our national football team! |
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM) who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton.. He is driving a proton.but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing.. QUOTE(theanswer @ Jul 23 2007, 03:33 PM) Popcorn anyone? ngeh..i did like a few proton's model..and i totally agree that Proton's built quality sucks. Most of the cars can only last about 3-4 years. after that..everything seems to fall apart. nice comments.For perodua...my family bought our first perodua model..(myvi)..Still early to judge the quality..(for sure the rubber lining on the roof gone already..kene tiup angin maybe...then the reverse sensor replaced once...disc brake also replaced already...vibrate..vibrate.. ;p ) After 3-4 years..i'll post my comment about perodua cars ok. for now..i still feel that proton can perform and improve in near future..at least better than our national football team! |
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 23 2007, 02:20 PM) U sure about this? Valve timing in Campro is called CPS. VIM is another technology. Proton promise to introduce this in 2H 2007 (which is about now).Why H-Line only have AT Btw, variable valve timing means CPS or VIM? |
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Jul 23 2007, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM) who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton.. but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing..  ... Proton and perodua are aiming at different market segments...  |
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Jul 23 2007, 03:54 PM
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sigh, y u all people still waste energy here bash perodua, defend proton, bash proton and defend perodua ?
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Jul 23 2007, 03:54 PM
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Last time Proton used to built low quality car and you can see everyone is complain about the new Proton car they own. They spoiling their own brand plus their line-up is outdated and not well accepted if compare to Perodua.
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 03:48 PM) Proton and perodua are aiming at different market segments... Don't forget even at different market segments, Proton produce bigger and more stable car than Perodua at the same price. The Myvi is more popular than Savvy or Gen2 1.3, now the Kancil, Kenari, Kelisa or Viva also popular than Saga or Wira. For the exterior and interior this new sedan is nothing just a Gen2 with longer body. No any major facelite like what Perodua done to their Kancil. Look at their new Waja facelite, what the different between the old Waja? Just my 2 cent, apology for those who think I'm bashing Proton again. This post has been edited by phonar: Jul 23 2007, 03:57 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(phonar @ Jul 23 2007, 03:54 PM) For the exterior and interior this new sedan is nothing just a Gen2 with longer body. No any major facelite like what Perodua done to their Kancil. Look at their new Waja facelite, what the difference between the old Waja? front looks like 1 of the vw model ...  |
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Jul 23 2007, 03:56 PM
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haiz.... we are talking about the sedan or talking about how GOOD perodua is or how bad proton is comparing to honda and toyota? sigh....
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I found that the high spec offering a lot of features.
H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps - i taught JPJ not encourage to have this, but then it said if is original then is ok. so proton can have it. doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector - make sure this no issue on it when using it. bluetooth enabled glove box lamp So this time the High spec really higher.... Still curios of the interior.. Is there any different? If Proton maintain this price with great feature then really can go for it. |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:02 PM
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thanks to proton, most of us can own a car!
"u pay one cent, u get one cent quality, u pay 10 cent, you get 10 cent quality" why compare with more expensive car? |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(yangsangfook @ Jul 23 2007, 04:02 PM) thanks to proton, most of us can own a car! Just compare it with Perodua car."u pay one cent, u get one cent quality, u pay 10 cent, you get 10 cent quality" why compare with more expensive car? Or compare it with a taxless Honda City or Toyota Vios at 50k. But i'm agree now their QC have increase. Just too late now. This post has been edited by phonar: Jul 23 2007, 04:14 PM |
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i've found tis at proton website
Question: Is this a Mitsubishi based model? Answer: No, since the Waja, there has not been any Mitsubishi-based model. Question: Is this new car running on the Campro engine? Answer: Yes, it is running on the Proton Campro Engine, ith improved TCU for better performance. Question: What is the engine specification? Answer: 1.6L - Max Power: 82kw (110bhp) @ 6000rpm Max Torque 148NM @ 4000rpm Question: What is the standard service interval? Answer:/div> Every 10,000km. Question: Can I test drive before buying? Answer: Yes, please visit the nearest Proton showroom to test drive the New Sedan after our official launch. Question: What colours will be available? Answer: Iridescent White, Solid Red, Light Gold, Tranquility Black, Metal Grey & Blueberry Tea. Solid White will be available from September 2007 onwards. Question: What are the dimensions of the New Sedan? Answer: Overall Length Overall Width Overall Height Fuel Capacity Luggage Volume Weight 4477mm 1725mm 1438mm 50 L 430 L 1180 - 1210 KG u can view the specs for each variant at the website This post has been edited by wut2du: Jul 23 2007, 04:17 PM |
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QUOTE(wut2du @ Jul 23 2007, 04:10 PM) i've found tis at proton website Can i know the point of this? We already have all the specs upfront pageQuestion: Is this a Mitsubishi based model? Answer: No, since the Waja, there has not been any Mitsubishi-based model. Question: Is this new car running on the Campro engine? Answer: Yes, it is running on the Proton Campro Engine, ith improved TCU for better performance. Question: What is the engine specification? Answer: 1.6L - Max Power: 82kw (110bhp) @ 6000rpm Max Torque 148NM @ 4000rpm Question: What is the standard service interval? Answer:/div> Every 10,000km. Question: Can I test drive before buying? Answer: Yes, please visit the nearest Proton showroom to test drive the New Sedan after our official launch. Question: What colours will be available? Answer: Iridescent White, Solid Red, Light Gold, Tranquility Black, Metal Grey & Blueberry Tea. Solid White will be available from September 2007 onwards. Question: What are the dimensions of the New Sedan? Answer: Overall Length Overall Width Overall Height Fuel Capacity Luggage Volume Weight 4477mm 1725mm 1438mm 50 L 430 L 1180 - 1210 KG |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:15 PM
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craps...
read wrongly. no improvement on the engine at all? QUOTE(demio121 @ Jul 23 2007, 03:41 PM) Valve timing in Campro is called CPS. VIM is another technology. Proton promise to introduce this in 2H 2007 (which is about now). This post has been edited by usus: Jul 23 2007, 04:20 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:15 PM
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the thing is that the 1.6 current campro engines are the same spec .... right?
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Jul 23 2007, 04:16 PM
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he just afraid u havent seen this..
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Jul 23 2007, 04:18 PM
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 hmm.. got it from paul tan.. wat do u think of the design?? all proton cars seems like no major changes.. |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:18 PM
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wat i meant is wat feralee juz put is wrong
there is no hid nor new campro with cps |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(Naka7a @ Jul 23 2007, 04:15 PM) the thing is that the 1.6 current campro engines are the same spec .... right? current campro engine is non-complete product yet... hopefully this gen2 sedan designed with 100% campro engine... |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(pidah @ Jul 23 2007, 04:18 PM) hmm.. got it from paul tan.. wat do u think of the design?? all proton cars seems like no major changes.. |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(wut2du @ Jul 23 2007, 04:18 PM) wat i meant is wat feralee juz put is wrong OIC sorry bro there is no hid nor new campro with cps . Didnt get ya. My bad. ya |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(pidah @ Jul 23 2007, 04:18 PM) hmm.. got it from paul tan.. wat do u think of the design?? all proton cars seems like no major changes.. maybe p1 just realized most of the drivers had sedan car such as vios and city... at the same time, wira RIP... p1 should offer another sedan car which is almost same with wira... |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 23 2007, 04:20 PM) current campro engine is non-complete product yet... seems like a no. same specs all the way with hatchback gen2 for engine & transmission, so far.hopefully this gen2 sedan designed with 100% campro engine... |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:40 PM
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what is seat belts with pretensioners ?
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Jul 23 2007, 04:41 PM
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So is just some minor add into the car accesorries? No changes to the engine? Is it still the same engine like Waja. I heard people say that you have to wait a few minute for Waja to warm before you can move, if not the car no power. Is it same for this car too?
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Jul 23 2007, 04:41 PM
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@jehutyz
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Jul 23 2007, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jul 23 2007, 04:41 PM) So is just some minor add into the car accesorries? No changes to the engine? Is it still the same engine like Waja. I heard people say that you have to wait a few minute for Waja to warm before you can move, if not the car no power. Is it same for this car too? not only waja... all of the cars in this world needed to warm up 1st if want to 100% perform the engine capability... good example as F1 car, will they use a cold engine before race? even the tyre also have to keep it warm... |
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Jul 23 2007, 04:50 PM
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i'm now interested in the interior and the engine!!
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Jul 23 2007, 04:52 PM
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Actually is not a bad car. Is just that can we trust it? The confident and trust is long gone since 1984.
Added on July 23, 2007, 4:53 pm QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 23 2007, 04:46 PM) not only waja... all of the cars in this world needed to warm up 1st if want to 100% perform the engine capability... No What i mean is it cant even have 50% powergood example as F1 car, will they use a cold engine before race? even the tyre also have to keep it warm... This post has been edited by barrylin: Jul 23 2007, 04:53 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 05:06 PM
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I looking forward for this model too. I believe the proton persona will definery save proton from its current misery stage with such attractive price. I knew Syed Zainal can do something for Proton.
It will be lovely if the VIM+ CPS is available for the hi line model is true. |
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Jul 23 2007, 05:08 PM
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but then again, at RM55k, CPS+VIM is abit unbelievable.. maybe for the 60k-ish models like the Gen2 and Waja is more realistic..
haha, Perdana is getting more and more forgotten by the years |
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Jul 23 2007, 05:09 PM
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Who cares about perdana
It doesnt cheap at the 1st place. So nobody cares. |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:06 PM
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the interior of the most basic model is beige in color
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Jul 23 2007, 06:07 PM
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my experience in my industrial traning last time.
government offer a project to setup a lab in an government institute, so ofcos only bumiput*ra company can take the project. after tht ,bumiput*ra company find a chin*se company to take the project. at first, the government pay bumiput*ra company 100k for tht project. then bumiput*ra company find the chin*se company and offer them 50k for the project. at last, chin*se company finish the project with fulfillment of all the spec required with 10k. at the end, bumiput*ra company earn 50k, chin*se company earn 40k, and government hav a 10k lab by paying 100k. WTA is this the same as wht happens to P1 too? let say P1 initially put a budget of RM500 for a dashboard, but at the end they only have a RM100 dashboard installed in the car. so the result is a crappy car with high building cost. |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(feralee @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) NEW SEDAN 1.6AT H-LINE -.-" Last time I saw 1.6 campro only 110bhp, but now, u say 122bhp, where is the source?OTR - RM 55,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT M-LINE OTR - RM 49,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT M-LINE OTR - RM 52,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE SOLID OTR 45,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE SOLID OTR - 48,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE METALLIC OTR RM 45,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE METALLIC OTR - RM 48,300.00 It will be available in 1.3 and 1.6 campro with variable valve timing. here are the changes and new feaures: exterior: front bumper front fog lamps (1.6 model only) headlamps 16-inch alloy wheels (1.6 model only) rear bumper number plate on bootlid/tailgate bootlid/tailgate key lock interior: redesigned front seats redesigned steering wheel grey interior digital clock power window switches on door armrests blaupunkt mp3 cd player (1.6 model only) glove box redesigned door handles redesigned gear knob redesigned hand brake lever front seats with back pockets mechanical: redesigned power window mechanisms retuned suspensions door intrusion beams front bumper with reinforced steel collapsable steering system remote bootlid/tailgate release H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp 1.3 campro performance details: power = 73KW ( 98bhp ) @ 5500rpm torque = 128 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.0l/100km 0 -100 kmh @ 11.6 secs 1.6 campro performance details: power = 91 KW (122 bhp) @ 5500rpm torque = 167 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.4l/100 Km 0 -100 kmh @ 10.4 secs gen2 sedan dimensions: length = 4335 width = 1725 height = 1435 Added on July 23, 2007, 6:25 pm QUOTE(nexus @ Jul 23 2007, 06:07 PM) my experience in my industrial traning last time. This is Malaysia... government offer a project to setup a lab in an government institute, so ofcos only bumiput*ra company can take the project. after tht ,bumiput*ra company find a chin*se company to take the project. at first, the government pay bumiput*ra company 100k for tht project. then bumiput*ra company find the chin*se company and offer them 50k for the project. at last, chin*se company finish the project with fulfillment of all the spec required with 10k. at the end, bumiput*ra company earn 50k, chin*se company earn 40k, and government hav a 10k lab by paying 100k. WTA is this the same as wht happens to P1 too? let say P1 initially put a budget of RM500 for a dashboard, but at the end they only have a RM100 dashboard installed in the car. so the result is a crappy car with high building cost. This post has been edited by DaViDcHiN: Jul 23 2007, 06:25 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Jul 23 2007, 06:22 PM) This is Malaysia... |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(nexus @ Jul 23 2007, 06:07 PM) my experience in my industrial traning last time. This is what i call Malaysia Boleh~!government offer a project to setup a lab in an government institute, so ofcos only bumiput*ra company can take the project. after tht ,bumiput*ra company find a chin*se company to take the project. at first, the government pay bumiput*ra company 100k for tht project. then bumiput*ra company find the chin*se company and offer them 50k for the project. at last, chin*se company finish the project with fulfillment of all the spec required with 10k. at the end, bumiput*ra company earn 50k, chin*se company earn 40k, and government hav a 10k lab by paying 100k. WTA is this the same as wht happens to P1 too? let say P1 initially put a budget of RM500 for a dashboard, but at the end they only have a RM100 dashboard installed in the car. so the result is a crappy car with high building cost. That is why i don't like Proton's car... Years ago I've been paying 38K for a car which only with the 10K net worth of material... I've no choice that time but not in the future. My future will be Toyota and Honda |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 23 2007, 03:57 PM) H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlampssaid doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp  This post has been edited by LanEvo7: Jul 23 2007, 06:44 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ Jul 23 2007, 06:43 PM) WHat's the bluetooth for ? for the Headunit....radio, phone, ipod, etc... |
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Jul 23 2007, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM) who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton.. i do own a proton but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing.. my gf own myvi so i have all the valid reason to shoot both of them i dont see perodua as better quality than proton is juz that since perodua is cheap, i think they deserve such quality lolz if myvi is superior, why i heard more complain than satria neo/waja campro/savvy??? tell me! please tell!! please tell me me me!!! lolz QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ Jul 23 2007, 06:43 PM) WHat's the bluetooth for ? so that u can connect ur bluetooth enabled phone to the HU.. when u make call or people call u, ur whole sound system will become ur phone speaker  |
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Jul 23 2007, 07:24 PM
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is this the so called campro with cps engine??the bhp and torque seems higher than last time....
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Jul 23 2007, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jul 23 2007, 07:12 PM) i do own a proton i think i'm like you also... having both neo and myvi at home.... so far.. the myvi have to go to the service centre twice to change the brakes due to vibrations when doing any brakings... but no problem so far with my neo although my neo has clocked a few more thousand kms than the myvi... so people out ther... don't judge proton's new cars just like that...my gf own myvi so i have all the valid reason to shoot both of them i dont see perodua as better quality than proton is juz that since perodua is cheap, i think they deserve such quality lolz if myvi is superior, why i heard more complain than satria neo/waja campro/savvy??? tell me! please tell!! please tell me me me!!! lolz so that u can connect ur bluetooth enabled phone to the HU.. when u make call or people call u, ur whole sound system will become ur phone speaker |
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Jul 23 2007, 07:32 PM
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Jul 23 2007, 07:34 PM
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those lining at the back kinda spoil the rear look..
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Jul 23 2007, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(nerd @ Jul 23 2007, 02:07 PM) if the specs feralee posted are true, then this might be something really worthwhile indeed. Please go to www.honda.com.my.well, bashers generally can't afford other cars apart from Proton, so that's why they bash, they think without Proton they can buy a City at Gen2 prices lol.. keep dreaming Check the Honda City price in Langkawi: RM53.800 for IDSL and RM56,800 for VTEC. It is NOT dreaming. Get ur facts straight, we CAN be buying a City at Gen-2 prices if Proton doesn't exist. You're OWNZED.  |
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Jul 23 2007, 08:22 PM
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matrix u might wanna change 53.800 to 53,800 , incase someone wants to pwn u back
without proton, we can buy camry instead of perdana or chancellor. This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jul 23 2007, 08:24 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 08:25 PM
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okay, my bad then, sorry.
bah, i'm lazy to play this pwning game. only leads to flame wars.  |
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Jul 23 2007, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(nexus @ Jul 23 2007, 06:07 PM) my experience in my industrial traning last time. Nope. that is coffeshop talk. BS.government offer a project to setup a lab in an government institute, so ofcos only bumiput*ra company can take the project. after tht ,bumiput*ra company find a chin*se company to take the project. at first, the government pay bumiput*ra company 100k for tht project. then bumiput*ra company find the chin*se company and offer them 50k for the project. at last, chin*se company finish the project with fulfillment of all the spec required with 10k. at the end, bumiput*ra company earn 50k, chin*se company earn 40k, and government hav a 10k lab by paying 100k. WTA is this the same as wht happens to P1 too? let say P1 initially put a budget of RM500 for a dashboard, but at the end they only have a RM100 dashboard installed in the car. so the result is a crappy car with high building cost. Chinaman say: No sauce. Well, sauce may be tasty with some govt projects - but does not go well with Proton. Proton is operated as a company like any other. It does not economy of scale, but is coping ok i guess. RM50k for a 1200kg sedan OTR is reasonable. Do a comparison of the OTR prices for 1200kg class sedans in other countries if you dont believe me. Added on July 23, 2007, 8:39 pm QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 23 2007, 07:49 PM) Please go to www.honda.com.my. The City/FitAria is a ~1000kg class sedan. It's a lil smaller than a gen2 sedan, which is a ~1200kg class sedan.Check the Honda City price in Langkawi: RM53.800 for IDSL and RM56,800 for VTEC. It is NOT dreaming. Get ur facts straight, we CAN be buying a City at Gen-2 prices if Proton doesn't exist. You're OWNZED. The City/FitAria is a sedan version of the small Jazz/Fit. A fair comparison would be between the City and the upcoming "Sedan" version of the Savvy platform. A Honda 1200kg class sedan, the civic, costs RM75k OTR (WITHOUT TAX/NAP)... even if NAP/proton didnt exist, it would be about RM85k with GST and normal taxes... much more than the gen2 sedan. Of course, it is abit more technologically advanced. But the gen2 sedan is only ~RM50k ...it's still reasonable. This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 23 2007, 08:39 PM |
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Jul 23 2007, 08:49 PM
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where got ppl judge the car with its weight..normally ppl compare dimension which is the size not the weight..of course lighter car is better for performance and fuel consumption
as long as the car have same CC and dimension..they should be class under the same group.. lighter car is better in fuel consumption and performance.. |
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Jul 23 2007, 08:51 PM
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come on guys, if you hate proton then don't buy, if you like proton then buy it.
122bhp....only increase 10bhp than previous generation campro...... |
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Jul 23 2007, 09:02 PM
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very susah la... this thread is about the new car.... now comes gov'ment issues la.. this la that la.. can't just celebrate it like how VIVA came into the market?
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Jul 23 2007, 09:16 PM
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Jul 23 2007, 09:22 PM
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nice looking~
btw 18-10-2006? |
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Jul 23 2007, 09:22 PM
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Jul 23 2007, 10:03 PM
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too old......bmw 5 series body....
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Jul 23 2007, 10:04 PM
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ezralimm, i feel funny with your fact... proton car price are being protected lar ... and all malaysian know this ... except u i think
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Jul 23 2007, 10:32 PM
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no, what's he talking about does make sense actually.
indeed, Proton sucks when it comes to renewing its models and also QC, but they're also providing cheaper alternatives. that is their selling point overseas, not some super souped up cars with Martian technology. |
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Jul 23 2007, 10:37 PM
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hmm.. the 1.6 engine they have in the new Gen2 sedan seems to be quite powerful. enocuntered one on Saturday morning on my way to the airport, a mule, actually. it was doing around 160km/h and still accelerating.
wanted to post some of the pic i toook that day but now that it's official i don't see the point. furthermore, my main pc is down. so i can't even upload the pics. |
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Jul 23 2007, 11:02 PM
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Jul 23 2007, 11:02 PM
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i'm actually interested in this car.. if not that i'm tied up with my current car loan, i would have bought this car or the neo..
not a proton fanboy, but seriously think proton is not that bad nowadays |
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Jul 23 2007, 11:06 PM
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like i said in a different thread b4, for 50k++ pricetag, its definitely sumthin worth looking into if ure looking for a sensisble small 4 door saloon..
but if u ask me, whether id book one now if were in the market 4 a car of this segment, i dont think so.. maybe wait 4 it 2 come out n also owner's review.. |
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Jul 23 2007, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Jul 23 2007, 10:37 PM) hmm.. the 1.6 engine they have in the new Gen2 sedan seems to be quite powerful. enocuntered one on Saturday morning on my way to the airport, a mule, actually. it was doing around 160km/h and still accelerating. just post the pic lah ... wanted to post some of the pic i toook that day but now that it's official i don't see the point. furthermore, my main pc is down. so i can't even upload the pics. |
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Jul 23 2007, 11:53 PM
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i dunno la....but i must say i laughed my head of over ezralimm's post.categorizing cars by its weight is a genius
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Jul 24 2007, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 23 2007, 01:31 PM) If you want to compare i think u can take a 3 years vios/city and then compare with a 3 years proton. Then you can see how impressive is it.... Lets compare a 3 yr proton with 3 yr kia/hyundai/cherry/mahindra.Own Lotus so??? VW also don't want to buy it .... Just my comment. Just my comment |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE 122bhp....only increase 10bhp than previous generation campro...... MAYBE CPS is just a rebadge of Campro, or rather just a retune of Campro which focus on low to mid range and suffer hi-end power, and doesn't have the sudden surge feel it supposedly had like VTEC?! |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:37 AM
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122bhp is consider good enough for a 1.6 NA
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 24 2007, 12:20 AM) MAYBE CPS is just a rebadge of Campro, or rather just a retune of Campro which focus on low to mid range and suffer hi-end power, and doesn't have the sudden surge feel it supposedly had like VTEC?! yeah.. knowing about Proton... wat else they not daring to do?? somemore now their slogan is Daring To Dare mah..  mayb we need some expert or CPS owner to comfirm it.. |
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Jul 24 2007, 03:18 AM
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My comment,
Stills.... ugly Head Light (why they nvr change~!!) ugly tail light (can't find any replacable tail light for it) New car? (look solid within 1 year, after 3 years like .... omg) |
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Jul 24 2007, 04:02 AM
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why do proton keep building cars that competes with itself,
i sense a lack of business savviness |
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Jul 24 2007, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE(nerd @ Jul 23 2007, 08:25 PM) okay, my bad then, sorry. No need to apologize...too many people just didn't realized we're all getting pawn big time....by Proton. bah, i'm lazy to play this pwning game. only leads to flame wars.  Added on July 24, 2007, 6:17 am QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 08:33 PM) Nope. that is coffeshop talk. BS. What SAVVY SEDAN?? U mean Gen-2 sedan rite??Chinaman say: No sauce. Well, sauce may be tasty with some govt projects - but does not go well with Proton. Proton is operated as a company like any other. It does not economy of scale, but is coping ok i guess. RM50k for a 1200kg sedan OTR is reasonable. Do a comparison of the OTR prices for 1200kg class sedans in other countries if you dont believe me. Added on July 23, 2007, 8:39 pm The City/FitAria is a ~1000kg class sedan. It's a lil smaller than a gen2 sedan, which is a ~1200kg class sedan. The City/FitAria is a sedan version of the small Jazz/Fit. A fair comparison would be between the City and the upcoming "Sedan" version of the Savvy platform. A Honda 1200kg class sedan, the civic, costs RM75k OTR (WITHOUT TAX/NAP)... even if NAP/proton didnt exist, it would be about RM85k with GST and normal taxes... much more than the gen2 sedan. Of course, it is abit more technologically advanced. But the gen2 sedan is only ~RM50k ...it's still reasonable. And Civic is a few level above Gen2. Why even bother to compare that to Gen-2!! City would be fair comparison to Gen2 regardless the kg difference. Not to mentioned they have provenquality and a fc efficient engine....so far i haven't heard Campro being fuel efficient....very important in these days of petrol naik lagi.... This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 24 2007, 06:17 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 06:47 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 24 2007, 06:09 AM) No need to apologize...too many people just didn't realized we're all getting pawn big time....by Proton. RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jamAdded on July 24, 2007, 6:17 am What SAVVY SEDAN?? U mean Gen-2 sedan rite?? And Civic is a few level above Gen2. Why even bother to compare that to Gen-2!! City would be fair comparison to Gen2 regardless the kg difference. Not to mentioned they have provenquality and a fc efficient engine....so far i haven't heard Campro being fuel efficient....very important in these days of petrol naik lagi.... can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ? This post has been edited by kcng: Jul 24 2007, 06:52 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Jul 24 2007, 06:47 AM) RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jam I have to admit the campro manual has better FC compared to the crap auto campro. On the DVVT, if u are lucky under such conditions, RM60 may return u 400km. In long run, its cheaper to run the DVVT. can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ? |
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Jul 24 2007, 08:41 AM
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proton cars definitely expensive thats truth. wut2du....juz dont buy it
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Only smart consumers will avoid buying Proton car.
Cos the cars is a piece or junk!  |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:02 AM
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Stupid bashings again..pawn big time my shiny ass.
Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh* Noobies stop the bashings...we've had enough of dumb people around. Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned. This post has been edited by hypermount: Jul 24 2007, 09:04 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Jul 24 2007, 06:47 AM) RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jam RM58 can get 400km...100% city driving.(I stuck in SPRINT and LITRAK most of the time)..Highway can easily get 450Km....can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ? Your campro sucks blood like my old Kia (ok, not as bad as that). Your OWNZED. Added on July 24, 2007, 9:07 am QUOTE(hypermount @ Jul 24 2007, 09:02 AM) Stupid bashings again..pawn big time my shiny ass. Try telling that to Mr Anti-DVVT.Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh* Noobies stop the bashings...we've had enough of dumb people around. Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 24 2007, 09:07 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jul 24 2007, 09:02 AM) Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned. |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:24 AM
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200 bookings in just two days for new Proton model
By SHARIDAN M.ALI SHAH ALAM: About 200 bookings have been received in just two days for the latest Proton model, to be launched by mid-August. The yet to-be-named 1.6-litre sedan would be priced between RM45,000 and RM50,000, said Edaran Otomobil Nasional Bhd (EON) managing director Datuk Syed Hisham Syed Wazir. "Since our soft launch two days ago, EON and Proton Edar Sdn Bhd have received about 200 bookings," he said. He believed that the improved quality of the new car would also boost the sales of EON which had set a target to sell 40,000 units this year against 33,000 sold last year. "Also our sales of Audi, Mitsubishi, Suzuki and Hyundai are picking up this year," he said, adding that EON had forecast its sales would exceed Proton Edar's sales by 30% to 40% this year. The new model was also expected to enhance the company's performance for the year, Syed Hisham said after the company EGM on Monday. |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:29 AM
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this might be good... but i wonder how much impact it gonna hit for previous gen2 and waja sales.
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Jul 24 2007, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Jul 24 2007, 09:29 AM) this might be good... but i wonder how much impact it gonna hit for previous gen2 and waja sales. that's the problem for proton to figure that out itself... why worry? |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh* RM70 4AFE 1.6L Manual could do far more than 400km. This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jul 24 2007, 09:59 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jul 24 2007, 09:24 AM) 200 bookings in just two days for new Proton model By SHARIDAN M.ALI SHAH ALAM: About 200 bookings have been received in just two days for the latest Proton model, to be launched by mid-August. The yet to-be-named 1.6-litre sedan would be priced between RM45,000 and RM50,000, said Edaran Otomobil Nasional Bhd (EON) managing director Datuk Syed Hisham Syed Wazir. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « the new gen2 sedan = rm45k - rm50k... old gen2 + old waja value will be like piece of JUNK... if tht's the current value, i wonder who's gonna buy those savvy... hmm... not to mention is there any value for a savvy now...? owner of proton will suffer the most... |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:04 AM
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since gen2 sedan out.... waja, wira, gen2, savvy & neo 2nd value will gonna drop again
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Jul 24 2007, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 01:55 PM) ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher. don't forget msia government impose 120% tax on Japanese car and 300% tax on European carsTime would tell how this generation of sedans will be. 20yr's is very young for a car company. Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years! About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc). I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt. The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags. edited: grammatical errors. |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(ltw82 @ Jul 24 2007, 10:00 AM) the new gen2 sedan = rm45k - rm50k... old gen2 + old waja value will be like piece of JUNK... if tht's the current value, i wonder who's gonna buy those savvy... hmm... not to mention is there any value for a savvy now...? owner of proton will suffer the most... he just mentioned the below in another thread... QUOTE And Gen.2 sedan looks much sexier than those tall narrow japangese cars anyway - vios, city and latio sedan which are dam ugly. |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jul 24 2007, 09:09 AM) Just go for it.. last time i also heard someone said waja is much more better than accord Don't fall for advice that ask you go for SECOND HAND cars..it's stupid. You need to have at least 5k cash at least in hand if buying SECOND HAND cars...trust me. The smell of new car is ecstatic. or you will regret big time with the quality of vios and transmission problem of the city. And Gen.2 sedan looks much sexier than those tall narrow japangese cars anyway - vios, city and latio sedan which are dam ugly. |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(haylui @ Jul 24 2007, 10:04 AM) don't forget msia government impose 120% tax on Japanese car and 300% tax on European cars Dewd... I was saying WITHOUT NAP/PROTON (Same tax on Proton and Honda), the price would be RM70k+. About 85k for a Civic (Currently RM113k OTR). RM50k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan. Check overseas prices (OTR) for other 1200kg sedans if you dont believe. |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 24 2007, 10:21 AM) Dewd... I was saying WITHOUT NAP/PROTON (Same tax on Proton and Honda), the price would be RM70k+. About 85k for a Civic (Currently RM113k OTR). RM50k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan. Check overseas prices (OTR) for other 1200kg sedans if you dont believe. n hopefully the power window issue gone... n all minor issue gone too... pls dun bring back nightmares to drivers... will see after initial roll-out...  send my regards to those wira, waja, hatch gen2 owners... i pity them... |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:19 AM
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i actually dont quite see the point of this thread now.. this is no longer discussing bout the new gen2 sedan, but instead its become a basher's galore
 back on topic : 200 orders in juz 2 days is quite good actually if u think bout it.. i guess people got tempted for the price.. pls proton, do sumthin good this time n dont let this 200 n more 2 come be disappointed n ruin ur name much worser than it already is.. This post has been edited by CooShyRee: Jul 24 2007, 11:24 AM |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:37 AM
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heard that the price of wira, gen2 and waja will drop by end of this year. .can anyone confirm this news?
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Jul 24 2007, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Jul 24 2007, 11:37 AM) heard that the price of wira, gen2 and waja will drop by end of this year. .can anyone confirm this news? of coz theyd have 2 lower the price.. wit this new gen2 sedan coming out wit that kinda pricetag, who would wanna buy those old junks?? |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:54 AM
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if this sedan quality is above average..
i tink perodua sales will drop too.. but depends on which market audience it targets.. |
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 24 2007, 10:21 AM) Dewd... I was saying WITHOUT NAP/PROTON (Same tax on Proton and Honda), the price would be RM70k+. About 85k for a Civic (Currently RM113k OTR). RM50k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan. Check overseas prices (OTR) for other 1200kg sedans if you dont believe. i thaught car shld be as light as possible while retaining the safetiness while driving and body integrity of the car? so that car can have overall hp over weight and lighter hence less FC? IMO gen2 sedan weighted at 1200kg is inefficiency of P1 engineer in designing cars? it's like a city/vios(1000kg) carrying shaq oneal(150kg) and his luggage(50kg worth of luggage) all the time. This post has been edited by nexus: Jul 24 2007, 12:07 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(chenster @ Jul 24 2007, 11:54 AM) if this sedan quality is above average.. i tink perodua sales will drop too.. but depends on which market audience it targets.. oh no... hopefully perodua dun follow proton footsteps like tht... killing off the value of current model... |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(ltw82 @ Jul 24 2007, 12:03 PM) oh no... hopefully perodua dun follow proton footsteps like tht... killing off the value of current model... |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 24 2007, 10:21 AM) Dewd... I was saying WITHOUT NAP/PROTON (Same tax on Proton and Honda), the price would be RM70k+. About 85k for a Civic (Currently RM113k OTR). RM50k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan. Check overseas prices (OTR) for other 1200kg sedans if you dont believe. Crap! Who judging a car categories by their body weight? |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:40 PM
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I think ppl will rather support Perodua more than Proton. The design came out from Perodua is more attrative than Proton. Perodua provide better quality than Proton. Myself is a Proton user
I rather support Perodua. Since the Satria Neo came out, doesnt selling like a hot cake @ all ><! Now still go for Gen2 Sedan. |
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Jul 24 2007, 12:51 PM
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neo is 2 doors... so susah to be hotcake..
but i think a sedan is most ppl favourite... |
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Jul 24 2007, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(xacrifizer @ Jul 24 2007, 12:40 PM) I think ppl will rather support Perodua more than Proton. The design came out from Perodua is more attrative than Proton. Perodua provide better quality than Proton. Myself is a Proton user It's not Perodua's design. It comes from Toyota/Daihatsu. I rather support Perodua. Since the Satria Neo came out, doesnt selling like a hot cake @ all ><! Now still go for Gen2 Sedan.This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 24 2007, 02:30 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 01:34 PM
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How sure are you that perodua car's quality is actually better than proton?
I've driven 2 protons before. Both are above th 8 year mark. No problems..just a little of normal age-rattling sounds...all cars will have that... No powerwindow problems and no engine problems... I've sat in a few perodua cars before (mainly kenari and kelisa <5 years)..rattles and squeaks like no end.. Its even worse than the infamous "proton-squaks". and the car is so darn light, everytime u go over potholes and bumps, you are absorbing the shocks..not the absobers |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:03 PM
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no one has the interior pic to show?
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Jul 24 2007, 02:09 PM
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perodua quality is no better than proton laa..
it all depends on luck.. if bad luck u will get cars with prob.. but somehow i tink proton is turning for the better.. i bet newer models from proton will have less and less problems and better QC.. |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:22 PM
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Some info to share:
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Jul 24 2007, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(xacrifizer @ Jul 24 2007, 12:40 PM) I think ppl will rather support Perodua more than Proton. The design came out from Perodua is more attrative than Proton. Perodua provide better quality than Proton. Myself is a Proton user you think everyone will turn to neo as their car ka? more people rather buy myvi mainly because it's more practical... that doesn't mean that myvi is better quality than neo my brother... I rather support Perodua. Since the Satria Neo came out, doesnt selling like a hot cake @ all ><! Now still go for Gen2 Sedan. you don't see many elise around also right? but of course, i'm NOT saying that neo=elise, or proton=lotus. QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 24 2007, 01:20 PM) It's not Perodua's design. It come froms Toyota/Daihatsu.  |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE It's not Perodua's design. It come froms Toyota/Daihatsu. Well it is a Perodua's design after modding the front, back and dashboard. Well you also can say Gen2 is not Proton's design too. Anyway, the spec looks good on Gen2 Sedan. This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jul 24 2007, 02:44 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:44 PM
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looks promising..
might even better if the price is a little bit lower... max 48? looking forward to new proton ambitions in QC.. btw, why the interest is quite high? 4.1%, perodua i think at 3.88% something. Someone care to explain? |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 24 2007, 02:43 PM) Well it is a Perodua's design after modding the front, back and dashboard. haha nice pic you have there .. nvr notice it is so similar with a renault.. Well you also can say Gen2 is not Proton's design too. Anyway, the spec looks good on Gen2 Sedan. |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Jul 24 2007, 02:44 PM) looks promising.. Ask bank. Proton really have high interest. Double standard.might even better if the price is a little bit lower... max 48? looking forward to new proton ambitions in QC.. btw, why the interest is quite high? 4.1%, perodua i think at 3.88% something. Someone care to explain? |
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Jul 24 2007, 02:54 PM
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Here's a real picture
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Jul 24 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jul 23 2007, 12:12 PM) Ya i know it own lotus. But everytime i read newspaper and saw those proton car split in half when bang the tree Bro, . The people inside Waaa... sure thing man. its a car vs Tree. have u seen the latest accident somewhere around last week. 4 in MYVi dead with the others in ISWARA also serious injuries. Got big picture on front page also...which is a big milo junk that i also at first think its just a kancil/viva....to my shock...MYVI!!!. Now that is a one to one comparison. P1 vs P2. just like wat u guys did on the WAJA vs VIOS be4 somewhere in this forum. 40k car price range...where can get u big/safe cars. get urself a 100k imported car larrr.  |
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Jul 24 2007, 03:26 PM
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Impressive work from syed zainal, they listen to their customers and paid attention on it!
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Jul 24 2007, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(kaizou @ Jul 24 2007, 03:02 PM) Bro, Ya i know but the trust and confident is long smash apart about this Proton car. Still scareWaaa... sure thing man. its a car vs Tree. have u seen the latest accident somewhere around last week. 4 in MYVi dead with the others in ISWARA also serious injuries. Got big picture on front page also...which is a big milo junk that i also at first think its just a kancil/viva....to my shock...MYVI!!!. Now that is a one to one comparison. P1 vs P2. just like wat u guys did on the WAJA vs VIOS be4 somewhere in this forum. 40k car price range...where can get u big/safe cars. get urself a 100k imported car larrr. |
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Jul 24 2007, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(usus @ Jul 23 2007, 04:15 PM) craps... Both technology is suppose to improve the engine performance. We all have heard/read about how sluggish Campro is below 4k RPM. Driving in city can hardly take you up to 4k RPM and then there is the issue of noise.read wrongly. no improvement on the engine at all? A sluggish engine at low end will consume more petrol as in city we tend to be revving low. Before all these technology, engine are normally tuned to optimum performance at a certain range range of RPM. with these technology (valve timing and VLIM), the engine is suppose to have good perform across wider range of RPM. you see... the valve open/close sequence is controlled by the shape of the lobe on the camshaft. Since this is a mechanical part, the valve opening and closing timing is fixed. At different engine speed, to achieve optimum performance we need a different timing. The valve timing technology will address this. now VIM... air and fuel burn in the combustion chamber to run the wheel. so air is one important component in the performance factor. thus people doing CAI (cold air intake), open pod, replace drop-in etc. In most manifold, the path the air travel before reaching the combustion chamber is fixed. Again, at different engine speed, different air condition is prefered. VIM address this by having (as the name...!!!) variable length. At low engine speed, the air will travel faster to the engine (i hope i remember this correctly) and vice versa. Proton's VLIM implementation uses plastic which again is another advantage. Plastic is easier to form to any shape. So the path can be design to give the best flow. Hope i got the explanation right. Anyone spot and mistake please do correct. Feel free to add also. |
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Jul 24 2007, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Jul 24 2007, 02:44 PM) looks promising.. I believe 4.1% will get u the extra 2 or 3 years warranty. It's the same with P2. 4.1% gets me another 2 years warranty for my Myvi.might even better if the price is a little bit lower... max 48? looking forward to new proton ambitions in QC.. btw, why the interest is quite high? 4.1%, perodua i think at 3.88% something. Someone care to explain? So it depends on ur loan amount. If loan amount is small, it might be worth it to take slightly higher %. Just ask the salesman how much to pay for the extra warranty....for the Savvy it's around RM350 according to P1 salesman the other day. So just ask and calculate. See whether it's cheaper to pay upfront or put it into the loan. Added on July 24, 2007, 5:01 pm QUOTE(demio121 @ Jul 24 2007, 04:30 PM) Both technology is suppose to improve the engine performance. We all have heard/read about how sluggish Campro is below 4k RPM. Driving in city can hardly take you up to 4k RPM and then there is the issue of noise. Nice info. A sluggish engine at low end will consume more petrol as in city we tend to be revving low. Before all these technology, engine are normally tuned to optimum performance at a certain range range of RPM. with these technology (valve timing and VLIM), the engine is suppose to have good perform across wider range of RPM. you see... the valve open/close sequence is controlled by the shape of the lobe on the camshaft. Since this is a mechanical part, the valve opening and closing timing is fixed. At different engine speed, to achieve optimum performance we need a different timing. The valve timing technology will address this. now VIM... air and fuel burn in the combustion chamber to run the wheel. so air is one important component in the performance factor. thus people doing CAI (cold air intake), open pod, replace drop-in etc. In most manifold, the path the air travel before reaching the combustion chamber is fixed. Again, at different engine speed, different air condition is prefered. VIM address this by having (as the name...!!!) variable length. At low engine speed, the air will travel faster to the engine (i hope i remember this correctly) and vice versa. Proton's VLIM implementation uses plastic which again is another advantage. Plastic is easier to form to any shape. So the path can be design to give the best flow. Hope i got the explanation right. Anyone spot and mistake please do correct. Feel free to add also. Sure beats the other fella who has nothing to say but DVVT SUCKS!!! (You know who u are. ).This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 24 2007, 05:01 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 05:14 PM
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wait next year buy maybe got promotion like savvy...zzz
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Jul 24 2007, 05:31 PM
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I dont think so, i believe the gen2 sedan will definery becoming a true proton's savior. This could be the year proton bounce back perhaps.
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Jul 24 2007, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Jul 24 2007, 05:31 PM) I dont think so, i believe the gen2 sedan will definery becoming a true proton's savior. This could be the year proton bounce back perhaps. i truly hope so. with the right quality and price, why not???This post has been edited by demio121: Jul 24 2007, 05:39 PM |
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Not easy to rebound from such a huge loss with just one model. It will take a lot of time for Proton to heal the wounds. The publicity of the Gen2 Sedan maybe wide but it is the buyers' confidence that worries Proton.
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Jul 24 2007, 06:01 PM
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Perodua almost sapu an entire market with juz 1 model... Myvi. see... given the right quality (and Myvi is not particularly of high quality) and price, the car will sell. Then again, proton not only have to produce quality car at the right price, they have another more savage battle raging on... consumer perception.
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Jul 24 2007, 06:06 PM
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soso..if the lower end of this car is around rm45k...how much will the wira,saga,waja be in future?
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Jul 24 2007, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 24 2007, 06:06 PM) soso..if the lower end of this car is around rm45k...how much will the wira,saga,waja be in future? saga and wira belong to where they rightly so... in the museum. not in production line..!!! |
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Jul 24 2007, 07:12 PM
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wira and saga is going to phased out.
current gen.2 will be like iswara aeroback in the olden days waja will be stayed in the range of above 60k so i don't see any major killing other product lines here while the savvy and neo is in different category already |
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Jul 24 2007, 07:30 PM
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anyone has get the real picture of this car?
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Jul 24 2007, 08:44 PM
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hey hey hey...
what do you tink abt the waja compared to this sedan... the waja will also be fitted with the CPS...any ideas?? any opinions?? |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:02 PM
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still not launched la....so? no perfect pics...
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Jul 24 2007, 09:25 PM
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this new sedan gonna be proton last hope i think... if this time again their project fail... i think proton staff can start find new job
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Jul 24 2007, 09:27 PM
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This is from the website
"Customers are invited and encouraged to book their cars now to avoid being on a long wait list!" I wonder how many units Proton stock up before the launch this model. |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:30 PM
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3000 + maybe...
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Jul 24 2007, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(caviars @ Jul 24 2007, 09:27 PM) This is from the website as i know proton have stock up 3k units & it gonna take about 2 weeks to deliver after loan approve"Customers are invited and encouraged to book their cars now to avoid being on a long wait list!" I wonder how many units Proton stock up before the launch this model. |
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Jul 24 2007, 09:40 PM
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hmmm...i m sure they wud hv over stocked this particular model already jz like da many previous models...
proton has so so many cars..all new..and unwanted.. |
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Jul 24 2007, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(d3vilzzzz @ Jul 24 2007, 09:40 PM) hmmm...i m sure they wud hv over stocked this particular model already jz like da many previous models... Just because of many models came out from Perodua. Hope this up coming model from proton will have a better result. proton has so so many cars..all new..and unwanted.. |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:19 PM
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Based on the current information it is better than current Gen2. It suppose to fix all the Gen2 issue like power window, glove box, headroom etc.
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Jul 24 2007, 11:27 PM
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curious. isn't the current Gen2 already a Sedan?
and funny thing is Gen2 already competing with Waja. and now they wish to release another. will it be called Gen2 again? |
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QUOTE(phonar @ Jul 24 2007, 12:35 PM) You again? Yeah, it's me again. Crap! Who judging a car categories by their body weight? Nice to meet you too.Just putting sense into ppl's heads and stopping bashers from making ridiculous comparisons. Time will tell.... People will judge in the showrooms,.. the real size of cars in relation to weight. Believe me.. ~1000kg cars feel different inside and look a lil smaller on the outside than the ~1200kg cars. I had to make a choice recently. 1000kg vs 1200kg Ford: Fiesta vs Focus Honda: Jazz/Fit Aria vs Civic Toyota: Yaris vs Corolla Proton: Savvy vs gen2 Mazda: Mazda2 vs Mazda3 still dont believe me? Owh rite, i forgot... bashers will always say things like: "gen2 needs to be heavier because proton engineers not so skilled lah bla bla bla". They often have teh l33t skill of clairvoyance to make broad sweeping claims like that. Then they go around saying the Civic should be RM30k when even without tax, without NAP, it's above RM70k (assuming proton/NAP didnt exist). Ignorance. IM not a proton fanatic. Heck, i dont even drive a proton. My jazz is a month old... and already has a bit of dashboard creeking. fvck. But overall it's a good car. I get 6-8L/100km with a light foot on the pedal... I wonder how the FC figures in the brochure was calculated. Honda City (Fit Aria) 5.XL/100km is kinda hard to believe. This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 24 2007, 11:29 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 24 2007, 11:27 PM) curious. isn't the current Gen2 already a Sedan? The current Gen2 is more to an aeroback model. Think of Wira sedan and aeroback.. you get the idea and funny thing is Gen2 already competing with Waja. and now they wish to release another. will it be called Gen2 again? And the real name will only be revealed during the official launch scheduled on 15th August. |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:40 PM
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let guess the name..proton gen3 wakakaka...
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Jul 24 2007, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jul 24 2007, 11:31 PM) The current Gen2 is more to an aeroback model. Think of Wira sedan and aeroback.. you get the idea see, that's the thing. the Aerobock models are 5 door hatchbacks. Gen2 would never be called a 5 door car and it never was. and sorry, didn't read through the pages - just want to know if this one's going to replace the Gen2. anone with this info? QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jul 24 2007, 11:31 PM) And the real name will only be revealed during the official launch scheduled on 15th August. yeah saw that at the new car site.This post has been edited by goldfries: Jul 24 2007, 11:45 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:50 PM
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It's not going to replace Gen2. It is a new Gen2 sedan.
More like Gen2 a/b and Gen2 sedan. Same like Wira. This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 24 2007, 11:53 PM |
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Jul 24 2007, 11:54 PM
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k. so looks like we're having another car come in to compete with the already competing Gen2 vs Waja.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 24 2007, 04:58 PM) I believe 4.1% will get u the extra 2 or 3 years warranty. It's the same with P2. 4.1% gets me another 2 years warranty for my Myvi. now all Proton cars come with 5 years warranty or mileage(forgotten) which come first.Added on July 24, 2007, 5:01 pm Nice info. I don't think interest play a lot with length of warranty period. |
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Jul 25 2007, 12:26 AM
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i think. Proton is phasing out Perdana n the successor of waja will fill the gap.
and gen2 sedan r filling waja's current place. maybe |
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Jul 25 2007, 12:32 AM
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most important part for this car; CPS and also a redesigned facia/interior + reliability
hopefully no more exploding/cars on fire due to wiring harness/short-circuit problem. Added on July 25, 2007, 12:36 am QUOTE(kaizou @ Jul 24 2007, 03:02 PM) Bro, Waaa... sure thing man. its a car vs Tree. have u seen the latest accident somewhere around last week. 4 in MYVi dead with the others in ISWARA also serious injuries. Got big picture on front page also...which is a big milo junk that i also at first think its just a kancil/viva....to my shock...MYVI!!!. Now that is a one to one comparison. P1 vs P2. just like wat u guys did on the WAJA vs VIOS be4 somewhere in this forum. 40k car price range...where can get u big/safe cars. get urself a 100k imported car larrr. seriously; u guys buying a car hoping to crash it into a tree ? the most important thing is even if you are planning to buy Mercedes / BMW / Ferraris, make sure your driving skill + RIGHT ATTITUDE OTR is there otherwise buying any blardy imported/exotics sports car/sedan also no point This post has been edited by cre8tif: Jul 25 2007, 12:36 AM |
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Jul 25 2007, 12:43 AM
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speaking of "big/safe cars"....if u drive like an ******* and bang into a truck or a tree....even how "safe" the car also ur life will be in danger....accident usually happens to people that dont follow rules and drive like a nutcase
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Jul 25 2007, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(cre8tif @ Jul 25 2007, 12:32 AM) otherwise buying any blardy imported/exotics sports car/sedan also no point even continental cars are having soft body / shell these days. |
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Jul 25 2007, 01:20 AM
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i will never own another proton..fed up adi...
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Jul 25 2007, 01:40 AM
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i laughed.
i laughed at one post saying about comparing FC between 1.3 car and 1.6 car. i laughed at one post saying 'smart consumers wont buy proton'. i laughed at Proton for not being innovative, and introduce a sedan (or modifying a hatchback) to make a comeback. |
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producing cars with the same parts reduces cost of the parts, reducing the cost of the car. This is the nature of proton cars mostly. you can see that the parts used in the wira for example, it is the same for wira aeroback, satria, satria gti, n few more models i forgot the name.
same mould, millions and millions of the same parts. this is why you will see cars appearing to be very similar. esp from proton 50k for a car, is not worth the money but there is nothing you can do since its the cheapest car in msia. I suspect it can be cheaper, but Proton wants max profit, but still it's merely surviving. in uk, there are so many 'brand' of cars that the price is so competitive. lousy cars can't penetrate into the market with the price, such proton n perodua, Top gear alr shows you how unsafe a waja is as compared to a car 1k more expensive. so would you spend 1k extra ? but that's not the case in msia, wan a better car, pay 20k more for something in the same class .... (don't do conversion) edit : well not the cheapest car, but still, the next cheapest in the same class i suppose, Do they dare make something new ? not i suppose, especially with the result of the 'JUARA' if you remember, and the 'TIARA' person who design is brave, person who approve is a d*** stupid nuts.... This post has been edited by bcktang: Jul 25 2007, 01:47 AM |
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Jul 25 2007, 02:50 AM
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bcktang.. i dun get ur point...
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Jul 25 2007, 03:19 AM
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QUOTE(bcktang @ Jul 25 2007, 01:41 AM) 50k for a car, is not worth the money but there is nothing you can do since its the cheapest car in msia. I suspect it can be cheaper, but Proton wants max profit, but still it's merely surviving. apparently they do not realize that by if they sell at say 10%+ cheaper, they could make it back by quantity. |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 25 2007, 03:19 AM) apparently they do not realize that by if they sell at say 10%+ cheaper, they could make it back by quantity. what if 10% is below their cost already. in tht case, no matter how many car they sold it will still not profitable.u have to remember tht proton doesnt have the advantage of 100,000+ car per model not like other car maker. |
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Jul 25 2007, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(bcktang @ Jul 25 2007, 01:41 AM) Do they dare make something new ? not i suppose, especially with the result of the 'JUARA' if you remember, and the 'TIARA' person who design is brave, person who approve is a d*** stupid nuts.... It was not exactly "new"... it was a reskinned Mitsubishi Town Box, a micro van... similar to what perodua did with the Myvi... just that they made the diahatsu model better looking... instead of uglier. |
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Jul 25 2007, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jul 25 2007, 12:22 AM) now all Proton cars come with 5 years warranty or mileage(forgotten) which come first. No ler...I asked liao...at least for Savvy, default only 2 years warranty....the extra 3 years either u pay up or add interest to the loan.I don't think interest play a lot with length of warranty period. For proton cars, i'll say the extra 3 years is COMPLUSORY... ...if got 10 years i also wanna buy. |
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QUOTE(bcktang @ Jul 25 2007, 01:41 AM) Top gear alr shows you how unsafe a waja is as compared to a car 1k more expensive. so would you spend 1k extra ? Top gear is comparing the price in Pounds..which is like (averagely) 7 times our money. but that's not the case in msia, wan a better car, pay 20k more for something in the same class .... (don't do conversion) U cannot say dont convert... it isnt fair to compare that way. If a waja cost 10,000pounds there.. after conversion.. its rm70,000...which is about right aint it? What makes the car prices so competitive there is theres no 200% excise duty there. |
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Jul 25 2007, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 24 2007, 11:27 PM) curious. isn't the current Gen2 already a Sedan? Exactly....it's a marketing havoc in Proton....they are confusing the markets of each car with their own products and devaluing older product at the same time..... and funny thing is Gen2 already competing with Waja. and now they wish to release another. will it be called Gen2 again? Not only that, Proton keep harping on better handling yadda yadda which is not important to the mass market. They should put more advertisement like P2 that focus on praticality, comfort and safety and more family oriented. That's why u see P2 advertisement is family oriented, focus on spaciouness and luggage etc. After 20 years, Proton still don't know who's their customers....sigh.... Added on July 25, 2007, 9:18 am QUOTE(kaizou @ Jul 24 2007, 03:02 PM) Bro, So what are u trying to say?? Iswara safer than Myvi?? How much do u know what actually happened? It all depends on speed and angle and the chain reaction of where it bounce of to. Too many factors are involved.Waaa... sure thing man. its a car vs Tree. have u seen the latest accident somewhere around last week. 4 in MYVi dead with the others in ISWARA also serious injuries. Got big picture on front page also...which is a big milo junk that i also at first think its just a kancil/viva....to my shock...MYVI!!!. Now that is a one to one comparison. P1 vs P2. just like wat u guys did on the WAJA vs VIOS be4 somewhere in this forum. 40k car price range...where can get u big/safe cars. get urself a 100k imported car larrr. Fyi, there's one rich guy not too long ago died in a Mercs or BMW near Kiara there. Hit a tree also. So u say the Iswara tougher and safer than a BMW/Mercs??? I hate opportunitist basher with no facts. Added on July 25, 2007, 9:20 am QUOTE(ulet @ Jul 25 2007, 04:03 AM) what if 10% is below their cost already. in tht case, no matter how many car they sold it will still not profitable. 100,000 car per model?? So far only the Myvi has that figure in 1 or 2 years. I think even kancil didn't manage that. So not every P2 car has the so called "100,000"+ advantage. Like Viva, i dun think it'll achieve the same success rate like Myvi.u have to remember tht proton doesnt have the advantage of 100,000+ car per model not like other car maker. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 25 2007, 09:20 AM |
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Jul 25 2007, 09:31 AM
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i have no problem with the exterior.. but the interior, finishing wise, all i can say, its typical proton.. still waiting for the pics of interior.. price is good enough i think..
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Jul 25 2007, 10:03 AM
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 the real picture |
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Jul 25 2007, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(squareballs @ Jul 25 2007, 10:03 AM) the real picture |
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Jul 25 2007, 10:11 AM
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how much is the Gen2 now???? i read from the papers the new sedan is like RM45K+....
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Jul 25 2007, 10:11 AM
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^still exterior pic. interested in interior.
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Jul 25 2007, 10:24 AM
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i heard rumours that the interior is vastly improve.....with more compartment and cup holders....should be a good improvement
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Jul 25 2007, 10:08 AM) same rims, same doors, same bumper design, only wit a different grill and a bit of xtra ass.. well if u see clearly the headrest is diffrent. It sems like it has the adjustale headrest and no more of that permanent 'bucket' seat in th current gen2. Well that is great news |
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QUOTE(haze @ Jul 25 2007, 10:27 AM) well if u see clearly the headrest is diffrent. It sems like it has the adjustale headrest and no more of that permanent 'bucket' seat in th current gen2. Well that is great news honestly, i dont care bout headrests.. a simple change in headrest is not gonna make everyone change their minds bout protons, r they??  |
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Jul 25 2007, 10:36 AM) honestly, i dont care bout headrests.. a simple change in headrest is not gonna make everyone change their minds bout protons, r they?? well at least we know that proton had done somthing to their interior. And they also added a glovebox also(about time). Honestly that is quite an achievement |
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Jul 25 2007, 10:46 AM
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From that pic frm squareballs shows to me that it doesnt really look that nice.
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Jul 25 2007, 10:36 AM) honestly, i dont care bout headrests.. a simple change in headrest is not gonna make everyone change their minds bout protons, r they?? For you maybe not, but for those who can't afford foreign cars, it might be a better choice. At lest, P1 did something to improve rather just change comestic design only. |
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Jul 25 2007, 10:08 AM) same rims, same doors, same bumper design, only wit a different grill and a bit of xtra ass.. Agree to it still hoping for something new but haiii, dissapointed atm, must have a look in interior side? I Guess still plactic covering everything. When you have a big accident not the impact that kill you but sharp razor broken plactic poke you till death. |
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Jul 25 2007, 11:57 AM
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 exterior looks preety the same..but the sedan seems more practical....bigger rear headroom...larger bootspace...the boot can be open using key...+glove box... |
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Jul 25 2007, 12:18 PM
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Chaku, no spoiler? Wanna see if got spoiler, this sedan cun or not.
Of cos, not GT wing |
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jul 25 2007, 11:48 AM) Agree to it still hoping for something new but haiii, dissapointed atm, must have a look in interior side? I Guess still plactic covering everything. When you have a big accident not the impact that kill you but sharp razor broken plactic poke you till death. the plastic in proton cars are not the that are fragile la. U should see all the interior crash pics of the newer proton cars like the savvy. The interior plastic is the flexible so in a crash it will not shatter in a million pieces and stab u everywhere. It wll more likely to bend slightly and go out ouf shape only. |
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QUOTE(haze @ Jul 25 2007, 12:29 PM) the plastic in proton cars are not the that are fragile la. U should see all the interior crash pics of the newer proton cars like the savvy. The interior plastic is the flexible so in a crash it will not shatter in a million pieces and stab u everywhere. It wll more likely to bend slightly and go out ouf shape only. U think these people want to admit that? Hell no!!!They hate to admit something good from Proton becoz Perodua is always better. |
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Jul 25 2007, 02:12 PM
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Hehe love to debunk such statements..
Deformed plastic after crashed into concrete barrier.   The impact beam which had saved many lives and the white polystyrene materials for pedestrian protection.   Impact beam after the savvy crashed into steel pole..prevent from cave in or split into two..   |
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Jul 25 2007, 02:21 PM
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bash do no good......
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from the last pic, looks like the sedan ditch the awful looking Gen2 seat. I m interested to see the interior, if Proton address any of the complaint.
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Jul 25 2007, 03:59 PM
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chyan go get interior shots~~~ >.<
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 25 2007, 02:21 PM) Persona used to be Wira name in UK. Perhap its really time for the sedan to replace Wira. BTW, Persona name is miles better then Gen2. |
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Aiyo..u all basher that keeps saying interior hard plastic lar...sharp lar..etc etc...stupid or what mehh..
U go see suzuki swift..oso hard plastic mar..like proton only.. U go see Vios..Also plastic wat... city..also plastic... hell..even u buy a Civic/Accord also plastic.. neva see those things turn to knifes and stab u all over when accident... Perodua also plastic...and its the same friggin hardness! This post has been edited by m|ng: Jul 25 2007, 04:21 PM |
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QUOTE(demio121 @ Jul 25 2007, 04:04 PM) this image show a different bumper compared to this post. That one was photoshoped la. Front accord with 5-series rear Persona used to be Wira name in UK. Perhap its really time for the sedan to replace Wira. BTW, Persona name is miles better then Gen2. This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 25 2007, 04:22 PM |
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QUOTE(m|ng @ Jul 25 2007, 04:19 PM) Aiyo..u all basher that keeps saying interior hard plastic lar...sharp lar..etc etc...stupid or what mehh.. Correct me for being ignorant...i thought all car interiors are some sort of plastic or similar plastic-like mixed material combo. I guess the more expensive cars used higher quality material which looks less plasticky...maybe higher grade plastic?? U go see suzuki swift..oso hard plastic mar..like proton only.. U go see Vios..Also plastic wat... city..also plastic... hell..even u buy a Civic/Accord also plastic.. neva see those things turn to knifes and stab u all over when accident... Perodua also plastic...and its the same friggin hardness! Anyway, where got cars interior made from steel wan...LOL. If interior made from steel sure die faster lor...the steel breaks and cucuk u mah....ha-ha! |
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Jul 25 2007, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 25 2007, 04:21 PM) That one was photoshoped la. Front accord with 5-series rear izzit??? man... i didn't spot tat. my bad. |
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Jul 25 2007, 04:43 PM
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yeah i agree. interior all must be plastic la.
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Jul 25 2007, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 25 2007, 04:25 PM) Correct me for being ignorant...i thought all car interiors are some sort of plastic or similar plastic-like mixed material combo. I guess the more expensive cars used higher quality material which looks less plasticky...maybe higher grade plastic?? Anyway, where got cars interior made from steel wan...LOL. If interior made from steel sure die faster lor...the steel breaks and cucuk u mah....ha-ha! Yes the plastic is not like 100% plastic. Any chemical engineers here mind explaining? Well, its plastic also lar..just that its coated with some material so that its soft to the touch. Even in the 1990's car dashboard is also plastic..just that its coated with a soft material so that its nice to the touch I still like that kind of material until now..dont really fancy hard dashboard. |
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Jul 25 2007, 05:16 PM
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well.. i think this car can only be nice with spoiler...
look abit like nissan sentra to me... |
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Jul 25 2007, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 25 2007, 12:18 PM) Chaku, no spoiler? Wanna see if got spoiler, this sedan cun or not. i'll try to add soon..maybe tonite i'll postOf cos, not GT wing |
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Jul 25 2007, 06:41 PM
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Change the front seat
I hope they change the rims as well. The interior maybe different for base, medium, and high line model |
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Jul 25 2007, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 25 2007, 12:18 PM) Chaku, no spoiler? Wanna see if got spoiler, this sedan cun or not. still drawing the suitable spoiler for the sedan...Of cos, not GT wing btw here is a pic of the ahbeng version of the sedan..huhu  |
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Jul 25 2007, 08:50 PM
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I wanna see the real thing. When is it going to be released?
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Jul 25 2007, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Jul 25 2007, 08:50 PM) I wanna see the real thing. When is it going to be released? 15th august 2007 |
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Jul 25 2007, 09:46 PM
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I feel like want to buy it,wanna wait til it's released then have a better look.But that time still have stock?
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Jul 25 2007, 10:09 PM
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The are a lot of potential buyer like you who want to see the car before actually ordering. I think the demand is going to be high but the wait time should not be more than 2 months. If the demand is high P1 better produce more before the customer buy another model.
BTW RM500 is a lot of money to be wasted in case you change your mind later on. But i should be able to transfer it to someone else. Unless you are in a hurry better for you to wait. |
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Jul 26 2007, 04:10 AM
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i just checked the car pricing, RM 45k price tag for a 1.6 car.
interesting. |
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Jul 26 2007, 04:38 AM
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nobody cares what i think,
but i must say that they should have made the nose shorter |
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Jul 26 2007, 10:08 AM
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45 k for 1.6 new proton, sedan.... Myvi 1.3 around 45k also,...
really gonna hit the market... at least us consumers will have more choices.. This post has been edited by apisgogo: Jul 26 2007, 10:09 AM |
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Jul 26 2007, 12:01 PM
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goshh....cost bout 2k more than my car,can oledi get a sedan with 1.6 engine,plus got tcu????man,this gonna hit the market la...but what bout other proton car?should hav a slight drop also laarr...
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Jul 26 2007, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(chaku @ Jul 25 2007, 08:11 PM) still drawing the suitable spoiler for the sedan... chaku rox btw here is a pic of the ahbeng version of the sedan..huhu |
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Jul 26 2007, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 01:55 PM) ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher. Completely agree Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be. 20yr's is very young for a car company. Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years! About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc). I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt. The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags. edited: grammatical errors. Every car has its own flaws and what the point of just pointing at one...is it because its Proton? My brother's Nissan SENTRA bought a year plus ago still has GEAR BOX problem and has been replaced 2 TIMES....remember....2 TIMES and the problem still persists and comparing the price of a Proton and Nissan, I think we should complain much lah. Moreover, I'm quite sure that you'll are aware of Proton's i-Care launch and they have given much importance to customer's feeback. For instance, do you'll remember people were complaining that tall people cannot sit behind the Gen2 hatchback because the roof knocks the head? Well, you wouldn't have that problem in the NEW PROTON GEN2. Guys, you need to test drive this car before complaining further. As I mentioned before, all car do have minor problems and personally know that Proton has even replaced a car for a friend of mine. This new car actually looks really really good and also have extra features like the remote to open the booth and airbags etc all for a mere RM55,800. Where can find meh! 
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Jul 26 2007, 02:35 PM
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no bad...
there's hint of Merc C class QUOTE(chaku @ Jul 25 2007, 08:11 PM) still drawing the suitable spoiler for the sedan... btw here is a pic of the ahbeng version of the sedan..huhu |
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Jul 26 2007, 02:55 PM
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by looking at the sedan...Proton is trying to rojak BMW's and Merc design.which is not bad at all.
but im more corncern about the interior design n material used.hope they improve those things.  This post has been edited by chaku: Jul 26 2007, 02:56 PM |
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Jul 26 2007, 03:15 PM
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yes not bad indeed.......
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Jul 26 2007, 05:35 PM
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interior pls..sombody? anybody?
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Jul 26 2007, 05:44 PM
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Come on....interior pic still not available. Dont ask about it.
Maybe around 1 week before launching, interior spyshot will come out. |
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Jul 26 2007, 08:21 PM
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I just realize that only the high line model have all 4 brake disc. The difference between the Base Line and High Line is around 7K assuming both are auto and metalic. Maybe the base line is a better buy.
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Jul 26 2007, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Jul 23 2007, 11:34 PM) just post the pic lah ... as requested.  |
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Jul 26 2007, 10:49 PM
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aiks still with the rear covered ..
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Jul 26 2007, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE Come on....interior pic still not available. Dont ask about it. Maybe around 1 week before launching, interior spyshot will come out. i also no there is no interior picture yet werd. just saying just in case anyone spotted the interior to upload here only mar... i like the gen2 modded with bmw5 series rear end. looks damn cool and classy..!!! anyone know how much to do so? |
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Jul 26 2007, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(selinix @ Jul 26 2007, 10:49 PM) aiks still with the rear covered .. well that pic was taken last Saturday morning. purposely slowed down to about 60km/h to wait for them as they were just exiting the LITRAK rest area. |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:42 PM
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met another sedan just now at the hicom interchange heading to kemuning interchange just now (10.30 pm)
oh man, the car is fast.... my guess is they are doing a high speed run ? i was doing close to 180 already that time..... |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:44 PM
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wah...around 180 and that sedan is faster?
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Jul 26 2007, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 26 2007, 11:44 PM) wah...around 180 and that sedan is faster? nope, cant close the 2 car distance.... and the way the car absorb the infamous kesas highway bumpsu can see the car body hardly bounce..... just like selamba only absorb maybe this re-worked suspension is really good |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Jul 26 2007, 11:42 PM) met another sedan just now at the hicom interchange heading to kemuning interchange just now (10.30 pm) oh man, the car is fast.... my guess is they are doing a high speed run ? i was doing close to 180 already that time..... hey kacang, long time no chat. yeah. the two Gen2 sedan's i chased were also doing around 170km/h.. high speed test runs i believe.. |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:52 PM
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Erm...takpa2. For sedan i'll wait for complete engine
Maybe Waja replacement or Gen2 sedan facelifted. They trash the car 1st. Later if breakdown or on fire, Proton face go down again. This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 26 2007, 11:53 PM |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Jul 26 2007, 11:50 PM) hey kacang, long time no chat. yo bro.... long time no chat too..yeah. the two Gen2 sedan's i chased were also doing around 170km/h.. high speed test runs i believe.. today was my second chance to "cucuk" them... since u also chase before, so should confirm la they doing high speed test runs my first time was infront of the shah alam factory road from hicom interchange to the end traffic light junction... the 80-120 speed of the new sedan is good in its class, i would say.... |
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Jul 26 2007, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Jul 26 2007, 11:53 PM) yo bro.... long time no chat too.. today was my second chance to "cucuk" them... since u also chase before, so should confirm la they doing high speed test runs my first time was infront of the shah alam factory road from hicom interchange to the end traffic light junction... the 80-120 speed of the new sedan is good in its class, i would say.... eh next time LNT gathering call me man. need to catch up with you guys. anyway, i met them on my way to LCCT. actually i saw them at the LITRAK rest stop. slowed down to about 60km/h, just to wait for them to catch up. mana tahu, shoot by at 140km/h+, i thought easy to catch, celak~, have to push to around 170-180km/h only can pass them. |
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Jul 27 2007, 12:57 AM
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fuuyoh..the 1.6engine dont play play & this is not 100% campro yet..the real campro issit more geng then vtec?
correct me if im wrong |
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Jul 27 2007, 01:13 AM
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Erm... i dont think it will more keng than vtec.
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Jul 27 2007, 01:17 AM
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CAMPRO is always good at top speed....nothing to be suprised about....but i heard rumours that they did fine tune the "TCU" for the AT transmission and also tune the ratios for the MT version for this new sedan
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Jul 27 2007, 01:20 AM
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So no more sluggish?
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Jul 27 2007, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 27 2007, 12:57 AM) fuuyoh..the 1.6engine dont play play & this is not 100% campro yet..the real campro issit more geng then vtec? its not gonna be more geng then the b16a la....correct me if im wrong QUOTE(Pro-MX @ Jul 27 2007, 01:17 AM) CAMPRO is always good at top speed....nothing to be suprised about....but i heard rumours that they did fine tune the "TCU" for the AT transmission and also tune the ratios for the MT version for this new sedan not rumors but i think its true because of their powah they have on their test run cars.....QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 27 2007, 01:20 AM) So no more sluggish? sluggish or not, we all dunno yet, maklum la kan belum test drive |
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Jul 27 2007, 07:28 AM
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Hope it can perform much better at low speed as well.
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Jul 27 2007, 09:01 AM
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wow.. performance wise seems to get a good mark.
really can't wait to see the interior la.. |
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Jul 27 2007, 09:07 AM
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rm500 booking. does it mean the rm500 is deposit or just booking fee which is not included in the car price?
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Jul 27 2007, 09:18 AM
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Of course includeh lah!!! Where got give them RM500 free meh!!
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Jul 27 2007, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jul 23 2007, 12:16 PM) I like the last phrase. But i own a proton. Just started to come out and work. Hope to find some $$ and change car kutuk-2 proton tp pakai proton gak.... apa daaa  Added on July 27, 2007, 9:21 am QUOTE(yangsangfook @ Jul 27 2007, 09:07 AM) rm500 booking. does it mean the rm500 is deposit or just booking fee which is not included in the car price? rm 500 booking become deposit when financing approved...This post has been edited by CHIP CN: Jul 27 2007, 09:21 AM |
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Jul 27 2007, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 27 2007, 09:19 AM) kutuk-2 proton tp pakai proton gak.... apa daaa What to do not yet have so much$$ Added on July 27, 2007, 9:21 am rm 500 booking become deposit when financing approved... so no choice. |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:02 AM
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dont have to kutuk la...
its just a choice for u... dont like dont buy la.. other ppl still want to buy what... just like ppl like to say if i got money i wont buy that expensive thing.. when they got money, you see they buy or not... |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(yangsangfook @ Jul 27 2007, 10:02 AM) dont have to kutuk la... I dun have money...if got money wanna buy Honda city or a Toyota Camry....err...but not many people kutuk Honda and Toyota wor....i wonder why.... its just a choice for u... dont like dont buy la.. other ppl still want to buy what... just like ppl like to say if i got money i wont buy that expensive thing.. when they got money, you see they buy or not... |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:16 AM
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For me? No way. I prefer getting Waja or Perdana. Why? Cuz Gen2 and savvy have very bad designs. not comfy to drive. Very bad interior styling. And very low roof line at the rear section. When i sit at the back my head (especially on Savvy) is really touching the ceiling.
But i just love Gen2's 1.6 engine (Manual). Very nice torque and powerful. |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:21 AM
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new gen2 sedan claims to have more space then the old gen2, so it should be comfy enuf i think.
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Jul 27 2007, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Jul 27 2007, 10:21 AM) new gen2 sedan claims to have more space then the old gen2, so it should be comfy enuf i think. need to see this new model when launch... |
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Jul 27 2007, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(feralee @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM) NEW SEDAN 1.6AT H-LINE why in pe website Q&A say it is still 110bhpOTR - RM 55,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT M-LINE OTR - RM 49,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT M-LINE OTR - RM 52,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE SOLID OTR 45,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE SOLID OTR - 48,350.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE METALLIC OTR RM 45,800.00 NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE METALLIC OTR - RM 48,300.00 It will be available in 1.3 and 1.6 campro with variable valve timing. here are the changes and new feaures: exterior: front bumper front fog lamps (1.6 model only) headlamps 16-inch alloy wheels (1.6 model only) rear bumper number plate on bootlid/tailgate bootlid/tailgate key lock interior: redesigned front seats redesigned steering wheel grey interior digital clock power window switches on door armrests blaupunkt mp3 cd player (1.6 model only) glove box redesigned door handles redesigned gear knob redesigned hand brake lever front seats with back pockets mechanical: redesigned power window mechanisms retuned suspensions door intrusion beams front bumper with reinforced steel collapsable steering system remote bootlid/tailgate release H-line model: ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp 1.3 campro performance details: power = 73KW ( 98bhp ) @ 5500rpm torque = 128 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.0l/100km 0 -100 kmh @ 11.6 secs 1.6 campro performance details: power = 91 KW (122 bhp) @ 5500rpm torque = 167 nm @ 3500rpm fuel consumption = 5.4l/100 Km 0 -100 kmh @ 10.4 secs gen2 sedan dimensions: length = 4335 width = 1725 height = 1435 Question: Is this a Mitsubishi based model? Answer: No, since the Waja, there has not been any Mitsubishi-based model. Question: Is this new car running on the Campro engine? Answer: Yes, it is running on the Proton Campro Engine, with improved TCU for better performance. Question: What is the engine specification? Answer: 1.6L - Max Power: 82kw (110bhp) @ 6000rpm Max Torque 148NM @ 4000rpm Question: What is the standard service interval? Answer: Every 10,000km. Question: Can I test drive before buying? Answer: Yes, please visit the nearest Proton showroom to test drive the New Sedan after our official launch. Question: What colours will be available? Iridescent White, Solid Red, Light Gold, Tranquility Black, Metal Grey & Blueberry Tea. Solid White will be available from September 2007 onwards. Question: What are the dimensions of the New Sedan? Answer: Overall Length Overall Width Overall Height Fuel Capacity Luggage Volume Weight 4477mm 1725mm 1438mm 50 L 430 L 1180 - 1210 KG Question: What are the differences between the variants |
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Jul 27 2007, 12:46 PM
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The specs for H-Line model looks good..
ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp |
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Jul 27 2007, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jul 25 2007, 12:22 AM) now all Proton cars come with 5 years warranty or mileage(forgotten) which come first. 175K mileageI don't think interest play a lot with length of warranty period. |
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Jul 27 2007, 02:29 PM
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this sedan is the answer to p1's future.....wah so serious! hehe
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Jul 27 2007, 02:48 PM
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2 more weeks only ma....
just see lo.... but those dealers that seen inside all say the interior is the best to date so far....... |
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Jul 27 2007, 02:56 PM
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some ppls cannot wait for even a day fer this...2 weeks? unimaginable....
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Jul 27 2007, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 27 2007, 10:08 AM) I dun have money...if got money wanna buy Honda city or a Toyota Camry....err...but not many people kutuk Honda and Toyota wor....i wonder why.... lol... pay so much still wanna kutuk ar?QUOTE(m|ng @ Jul 27 2007, 12:46 PM) The specs for H-Line model looks good.. sure all this got ar?ABS EBD SRS airbags seatbelts with pretensioners engine immobilizer chrome kicking plates HID headlamps doors auto lock system driver side anti jam power window twin tail pipe rear bumper with reflectors i-pod connector bluetooth enabled glove box lamp never see the proton website mention also.... |
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Jul 27 2007, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(yangsangfook @ Jul 27 2007, 03:13 PM) sure all this got ar? lolnever see the proton website mention also.... if i want more accurate details on proton cars, i either call up my SA or visit COE... i never really browse proton website.... confusing hahaha...... |
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Jul 27 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(F1meteor @ Jul 24 2007, 07:12 PM) wira and saga is going to phased out. at least proton have all category... p2 alik-2 compact car.... too small....current gen.2 will be like iswara aeroback in the olden days waja will be stayed in the range of above 60k so i don't see any major killing other product lines here while the savvy and neo is in different category already |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 27 2007, 03:53 PM) at least proton have all category... p2 alik-2 compact car.... too small.... No offence ok. You sounds like a Proton agent. LOL. Maybe you can give more info to us to  . |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:31 PM
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hopefully proton have brains to maintain the name as gen2 sedan instead of changing the name again since it's the longer version of gen2.
But i doubt it and for sure they will give a new name for it...... |
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Jul 27 2007, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jul 27 2007, 04:02 PM) No offence ok. You sounds like a Proton agent. LOL. Maybe you can give more info to us to . just book this new sedan.... i'm not agent... |
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Jul 27 2007, 08:28 PM
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CHIP u book the Base Line, Med Line or Hi Line?
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Jul 27 2007, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(micwin1437 @ Jul 27 2007, 04:31 PM) hopefully proton have brains to maintain the name as gen2 sedan instead of changing the name again since it's the longer version of gen2. perhaps they might call it a gen3 But i doubt it and for sure they will give a new name for it...... |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:04 PM
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Gen2 S. Cun jugak
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Jul 27 2007, 11:00 PM
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gen2 dah la...x payah tmbah pape pon
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Jul 27 2007, 11:35 PM
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Just hope that they dun call it gen 2.5...
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Jul 27 2007, 11:47 PM
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gen2.5? it reminds me of evolution 7.5
i didnt believe at first untill i saw it at mitsubishi showroom[in kiev,ukraine] |
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Jul 27 2007, 11:53 PM
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I wont be surprise if they call it Gen3 or Gen Sedan..
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Jul 28 2007, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE(chaku @ Jul 27 2007, 11:47 PM) gen2.5? it reminds me of evolution 7.5 i didnt believe at first untill i saw it at mitsubishi showroom[in kiev,ukraine] isn't the Evolution 7.5 the automatic Lancer? |
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Jul 28 2007, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Jul 28 2007, 12:43 AM) isn't the Evolution 7.5 the automatic Lancer? yes it is..5 speed automatic transmission... it doesn't have bonnet vents.nothing just smooth bonnet like ordinary car. other differences from the normal 7 is: it has leather seats,chrome interior trimming. and the one i saw was without rear spoiler. less racer look |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(caviars @ Jul 27 2007, 08:28 PM) CHIP u book the Base Line, Med Line or Hi Line? Medium line.... MT blubery tea colour |
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Jul 28 2007, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(chaku @ Jul 28 2007, 01:49 AM) yes it is..5 speed automatic transmission... it doesn't have bonnet vents.nothing just smooth bonnet like ordinary car. other differences from the normal 7 is: it has leather seats,chrome interior trimming. and the one i saw was without rear spoiler. less racer look IIANM it comes with with a smaller-than-standard rear wing. and not forgetting the GT-A badge on the front grille. anyway, hope Proton will stick to the current Gen.2 name and not change it.. |
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Jul 28 2007, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Jul 27 2007, 11:53 PM) I wont be surprise if they call it Gen3 or Gen Sedan.. if name like Gen2 Sedan or Gen3 will be all right cause these model are in the same category 1 is sedan and 1 is aeroback, what i'm fear for that they might have a total new name like Proton Gagah or Proton Panjang which mean same category but different name...... |
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Jul 28 2007, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(m|ng @ Jul 25 2007, 04:51 PM) Yes the plastic is not like 100% plastic. Any chemical engineers here mind explaining? It's nothing fancy actually. Well, its plastic also lar..just that its coated with some material so that its soft to the touch. Even in the 1990's car dashboard is also plastic..just that its coated with a soft material so that its nice to the touch I still like that kind of material until now..dont really fancy hard dashboard. It's only plastic, wrapped with thin layer of sponge (or similar material) and rewrapped with thin layer of pvc skin. Something like that. Even my 18 year old Honda Civic dashboard is like that. |
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Jul 28 2007, 03:07 PM
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i have the actual pic of the new sedan but cannot post it here.... might be in trouble....wish can share with u guys
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Jul 28 2007, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(joehan @ Jul 28 2007, 03:07 PM) i have the actual pic of the new sedan but cannot post it here.... might be in trouble....wish can share with u guys Why cant? you curi curi snap the pics? |
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Jul 28 2007, 05:21 PM
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http://iseeireadipublish.blogspot.com/2007...en-2-sedan.html
some back side picture of the real car.... |
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Jul 28 2007, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 28 2007, 09:22 AM) Medium line.... MT blubery tea colour i thought blueberry tea only applicable for H-line? correct me if i'm wrong.. i think i saw it in a brochure somewhere |
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Jul 28 2007, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(joehan @ Jul 28 2007, 03:07 PM) i have the actual pic of the new sedan but cannot post it here.... might be in trouble....wish can share with u guys post it post it. See all the ppl here put the pics and ntg happen. It will be better if u have the interior pics |
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Jul 28 2007, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(joehan @ Jul 28 2007, 03:07 PM) i have the actual pic of the new sedan but cannot post it here.... might be in trouble....wish can share with u guys proton will thank u more because u do free advertisement for them ... |
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Jul 28 2007, 07:35 PM
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When will this sedan open for test drive? I cant wait to drive one, not own becoz only plan to have a sedan for 6/7 years from now.
Btw, what the hell the same picture again This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 28 2007, 07:35 PM |
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Jul 28 2007, 07:42 PM
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Some people like to post the same picture again and again. Not to mention it's promoting another blog site
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Jul 28 2007, 09:23 PM
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more of chaku's rendering.....
  watcha think bout those rearlights? netter aint it? |
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Jul 28 2007, 10:39 PM
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i hope the brothers aftermarket LED rear light will fit in the sedan.
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Jul 28 2007, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 28 2007, 09:23 PM) watcha think bout those rearlights? netter aint it? cool!! looks like a merc cls rear lights.. |
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Jul 28 2007, 11:00 PM
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why gen2 sedan front and rear look the same like gen2 hatchback?
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Jul 28 2007, 11:17 PM
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The reason the front and rear look time is because it is based on the current Gen2. Proton add in boot and improve the headroom (according to their website). Thats why people call it Gen2 sedan
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Jul 28 2007, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 28 2007, 09:23 PM) more of chaku's rendering..... Wah...chaku pliz make the yellow one in shining black or white. plizzzzzzzzzzz http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1426/sedangen6cm7.jpg http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8565/sedangen7la3.jpg watcha think bout those rearlights? netter aint it? Well i really like this red  This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 28 2007, 11:54 PM |
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Jul 29 2007, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE(hikari @ Jul 28 2007, 05:30 PM) i thought blueberry tea only applicable for H-line? correct me if i'm wrong.. i think i saw it in a brochure somewhere no lah..... all colour with all line.... |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:33 AM
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Still no the true picture ar?PM me if anyone have it...My dad reli wanna buy...
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Jul 29 2007, 02:23 PM
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My dad ordered 1 juz to see nice or not..
juz a boot edition of gen2 i think.. |
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Jul 29 2007, 02:35 PM
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ya la......
didnt u c this? the back of the gen2 sedan or so called 'proton persona'.... |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:39 PM
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hey there fellow forumers..
the car is edi out?? does this mean its edi fitted with the so called CPS?? me oso 1 2 ask..hw do u guys rate this car compared to the waja.. the waja will also b fitted with the cps rite?? I knw if possible..dun go n buy a proton car..but hey.. wat if ur just born into the working world and u need a car.. anything above the 60k range is rather impossible... cars like myvi or the viva dun appeal to me as i tink their are rather feminine (jz my opnion..no offence meant to anyone) the savy looks silly... I need a car with legroom and boot space as well as nt too bad fc.. too me..the waja is nice... but v this sedan...hmm..might b worth thinking abt?? |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(d3vilzzzz @ Jul 29 2007, 05:39 PM) hey there fellow forumers.. to sum it all; u need a macho car / manly carthe car is edi out?? does this mean its edi fitted with the so called CPS?? me oso 1 2 ask..hw do u guys rate this car compared to the waja.. the waja will also b fitted with the cps rite?? I knw if possible..dun go n buy a proton car..but hey.. wat if ur just born into the working world and u need a car.. anything above the 60k range is rather impossible... cars like myvi or the viva dun appeal to me as i tink their are rather feminine (jz my opnion..no offence meant to anyone) the savy looks silly... I need a car with legroom and boot space as well as nt too bad fc.. too me..the waja is nice... but v this sedan...hmm..might b worth thinking abt?? |
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Jul 29 2007, 05:53 PM
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Er,you try to search page 6-8,got info about the space..It's bigger than vios and city,I think bigger than waja too..
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Jul 29 2007, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Jul 29 2007, 06:53 PM) Er,you try to search page 6-8,got info about the space..It's bigger than vios and city,I think bigger than waja too.. it's in the same league as toyota corolla and honda civic, i suppose. |
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Jul 29 2007, 06:25 PM
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You can refer to previous post for details. Acording to those posts it suppose to have better interior space compared to the current Gen2 or Waja. However don't believe these post 100%. Wait for the actual release and see for yourself.
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Jul 29 2007, 07:08 PM
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and they named it Proton Persona, why?
IIANM they named the Wira "Persona" in the UK, right?  |
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Jul 29 2007, 07:36 PM
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Cannot be Persona la. Unless they want to market it in UK, using the same name as Persona Replacement.
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Jul 29 2007, 07:57 PM
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exactly.
but if you read today's Edge, MD Syed Zainal said that the "new" Proton Persona 1.6 is being tested by "our business partners".. so.. lol. |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 28 2007, 11:48 PM) Wah...chaku pliz make the yellow one in shining black or white. plizzzzzzzzzzz wher u guys get this pic ar?Well i really like this red i also wanna buy one la.... |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Jul 29 2007, 07:57 PM) exactly. Dont understand why they need another name for it since it is still still a gen2 with a longer butt..but if you read today's Edge, MD Syed Zainal said that the "new" Proton Persona 1.6 is being tested by "our business partners".. so.. lol. |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(yongfei @ Jul 29 2007, 08:18 PM) wher u guys get this pic ar? i also wanna buy one la.... IIANM he drew it up himself. QUOTE(selinix @ Jul 29 2007, 08:26 PM) Dont understand why they need another name for it since it is still still a gen2 with a longer butt.. exactly. market it as the Gen.2 Sedan lah. what's wrong with that? |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:50 PM
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Maybe because if they call it Gen2 it will scare people away. Gen2 reputation is not very good. Giving it a new name will create a new image and hopefully attract more buyer.
Or maybe the new MD don't like the Gen2 name |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(caviars @ Jul 29 2007, 08:50 PM) Maybe because if they call it Gen2 it will scare people away. Gen2 reputation is not very good. Giving it a new name will create a new image and hopefully attract more buyer. you got a point there Or maybe the new MD don't like the Gen2 name |
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Jul 29 2007, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(caviars @ Jul 29 2007, 08:50 PM) Maybe because if they call it Gen2 it will scare people away. Gen2 reputation is not very good. Giving it a new name will create a new image and hopefully attract more buyer. Agree, gen2 is the name from the previous mgmt, and it sounded ridiculous to me. Naming this as Persona sounds better and classy, although sounds to me like an korean car, like accent, elantra and so on. Or maybe the new MD don't like the Gen2 name |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:35 PM
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IMO its nice when they called Persona to this new sedan
at least it got a meaning and sounds much better what the heck is gen2, savvy, myvi? .. totally are so not "Malaysian" |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:38 PM
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i think Persona is a good name. Seamless transition for the UK market as well, where it directly replaces the Wira there.
I doubt the Gen2 hatch with CPS (when it's gonna be launched) will carry the Persona name though. |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:44 PM
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That red sedan chaku's work. not mine.
I can post it more if got permission from chaku. This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 29 2007, 09:48 PM |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 29 2007, 01:18 AM) no lah..... all colour with all line.... oh yea since u booked the car after u get it make sure u make a full review of it ok. Just tell us whats the interior like and stuff.Well persona is a nice name but it makes it sounds like a new car pulak This post has been edited by haze: Jul 29 2007, 09:49 PM |
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Jul 29 2007, 09:56 PM
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this sedan aint gonna be out with a cps but a newly improved campro..and JCU......
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Jul 29 2007, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 28 2007, 11:48 PM) Wah...chaku pliz make the yellow one in shining black or white. plizzzzzzzzzzz bos, can you make a Subaru Impreza WRX style(blue paint and gold rim)!!Well i really like this red thanks This post has been edited by davidmu: Jul 29 2007, 10:00 PM |
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Jul 29 2007, 10:03 PM
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Not my work
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Jul 29 2007, 10:07 PM
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Jul 29 2007, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 29 2007, 09:56 PM) this sedan aint gonna be out with a cps but a newly improved campro..and JCU...... what is JCU ? |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(davidmu @ Jul 29 2007, 09:59 PM) bos, can you make a Subaru Impreza WRX style(blue paint and gold rim)!! im having trouble with colours...thanks on my laptop..it look ok...but when i view on my pc...the colours goes abit weird so i dunno which colour do u guy see... tomorrow i try to view on my cousin's pc...to confirm which colour that u guys will see then i'll do the imprezza style |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:27 PM
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CPS is another new engine from proton?
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Jul 29 2007, 11:39 PM
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Not a new engine but a technology use in Campro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campro_engine..._and_VIM_engine |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:53 PM
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u guys hear a song b4?
AKU TERPESONA...... |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:58 PM
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Eh...got song? Youtube have the video or not?
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Jul 30 2007, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(haze @ Jul 29 2007, 09:46 PM) oh yea since u booked the car after u get it make sure u make a full review of it ok. Just tell us whats the interior like and stuff. will post feedback at LYN after get my car....... and take same pic interior and exterior....Well persona is a nice name but it makes it sounds like a new car pulak |
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Jul 30 2007, 10:20 AM
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I think there's nothing wrong with having Persona as the name, because the model is meant to replace Wira.
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Jul 30 2007, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 30 2007, 10:17 AM) will post feedback at LYN after get my car....... and take same pic interior and exterior.... Nice but when can you get it? |
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Jul 30 2007, 10:54 AM
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15 august,
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Jul 30 2007, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jul 30 2007, 10:54 AM) 15 august, cool man .. can't wait to see the pics and review.  |
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Jul 30 2007, 11:27 AM
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Yeah cant wait for the review and if can show some internal stuff (original 1)
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Jul 30 2007, 01:45 PM
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will post original one
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Jul 30 2007, 02:43 PM
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JCU is kinda like an ICU of the car.....
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Jul 30 2007, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 30 2007, 02:43 PM) JCU is kinda like an ICU of the car..... i still dont und what is a JCU... or ICU.. |
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Jul 30 2007, 03:27 PM
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JCU & ICU a computer for the car.......but i forgot edi the name fer the acronyms..hehe
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Jul 30 2007, 03:29 PM
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Not TCU meh?
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Jul 30 2007, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 30 2007, 03:27 PM) JCU & ICU a computer for the car.......but i forgot edi the name fer the acronyms..hehe i thought that is ECU = electronic control unit ?? |
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Jul 30 2007, 03:46 PM
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oh man......my mind is gettin'messed up...
 LOL'ed meself... yeah its TCU and ECU...... |
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Jul 30 2007, 03:53 PM
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I guess TCU should be Tranmission Control/Computer Unit. Meanwhile ECU is Engine/Eletronic Control/Computer Unit.
That said, I take it as the Gen2 sedan only have updated TCU (as written on the 'spec'). So no CPS or VIM yet. |
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Jul 30 2007, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 30 2007, 03:53 PM) I guess TCU should be Tranmission Control/Computer Unit. Meanwhile ECU is Engine/Eletronic Control/Computer Unit. All this thing is confusing me, what tcu icu or...That said, I take it as the Gen2 sedan only have updated TCU (as written on the 'spec'). So no CPS or VIM yet. What the heck the do? What is the different? |
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Jul 30 2007, 04:06 PM
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they reprogramme the engine so that it will run more smoothly and maybe give it a bit more power output.
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Jul 30 2007, 04:09 PM
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I thought this sedan only have updated TCU so it will have correct gear ratio so the sedan wont have low end torque problem like in hatchback. No new or updated ECU involve.
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Jul 30 2007, 04:56 PM
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wow...this car is suppose to hv more legroom and boot room compared to the waja??
this is definitely something i hv to see |
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Jul 30 2007, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 30 2007, 04:09 PM) I thought this sedan only have updated TCU so it will have correct gear ratio so the sedan wont have low end torque problem like in hatchback. No new or updated ECU involve. TCU i suspect not to control gear ratio, you can't simply change gear ratio in a car without changing the hardware(gear). Since it will be implimented into the auto's and manual's according to PE online customer service, i would assume that it has nothing to do with the gearbox, it will something to do with variable intake manifold supplied by Robert Bosch.TCU=VIM.....wild guess Added on July 30, 2007, 5:38 pm QUOTE(d3vilzzzz @ Jul 30 2007, 04:56 PM) wow...this car is suppose to hv more legroom and boot room compared to the waja?? rear leg room is not an issue even in my gen2, wait till you see suzuki swift rear leg room, the issue is waja are wider in the rear and 4 adults can seat comfortably but not in gen2.this is definitely something i hv to see This post has been edited by micwin1437: Jul 30 2007, 05:38 PM |
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Jul 30 2007, 05:51 PM
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I read somewhere about TCU and low end torque.
They re-tune back the gear. Not using the same like hatchback. |
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Jul 30 2007, 06:44 PM
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If TCU is to improve the transmission system then it would only apply to auto model right?
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Jul 30 2007, 07:07 PM
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TCU=Torque Curve Upgrade
it improves torque curve of the engine so that it does not feel underpower in lower rev. |
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Jul 30 2007, 08:13 PM
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How do Proton improve the Torque Curve Upgrade? Do they change or add in any new part?
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Jul 30 2007, 09:39 PM
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no, it's transmission control unit. it works together with the ECU for optimal shifting in order for optimum performance and FC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Unit wiki |
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ICU = Intensive Care Unit
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Jul 30 2007, 10:30 PM
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TCU can be stand for Traction Control unit. Lovely if they can fit this in a Proton.
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Jul 30 2007, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Jul 30 2007, 10:30 PM) TCU can be stand for Traction Control unit. Lovely if they can fit this in a Proton. no.... traction control is usually labelled as TCS, that it traction control system. most of the time the function is built in the ecu, not an independent control unit. |
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Jul 30 2007, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(jasonlim @ Jul 30 2007, 09:46 PM) ICU = Intensive Care Unit The TCU and ECU all went into the ICU....Ha! ha!!!!So will they fit the Gen2 hatchback with the new TCU thingy as well? This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 30 2007, 10:37 PM |
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Jul 30 2007, 10:36 PM
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so something we dun understand really means nothing rite? but this whats make it intersting..
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Jul 30 2007, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jul 30 2007, 10:34 PM) no.... traction control is usually labelled as TCS, that it traction control system. most of the time the function is built in the ecu, not an independent control unit. Point taken. Confused with these letters? Wait till u see the Lexus LS460. They really have from ABC to XYZ in terms of car technologies. |
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Jul 30 2007, 11:16 PM
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waiting for pic of it..hope this one not to dissappointed us again.
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Jul 30 2007, 11:41 PM
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can u guys the imagine the gen 2 or any local car for that matter v the TRACTION control thingy..
price wise..go up oso liao..rite?? hmm...leg room..yalor..no issue..but width wise...the gen 2 is kinda crampy.. hmm..gen 2 or waja?? |
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Jul 31 2007, 12:18 AM
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who needs traction control la...its just a feature...its not like gen.2 sedan produces insane horsepower until it need traction control =.=" and lotus handling is already more than enough for the gen.2 sedan
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Jul 31 2007, 01:37 AM
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muhahahaha...
aiya..traction control as safety feature mer... lotus handling.. hmm...do u guys feel that the neo handles better den the gen2?? i hv driven both..i mean driving feel wise..the suspension and the handling on the neo is so so much better... |
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Jul 31 2007, 07:06 AM
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Hope all this TCU, ECU or whatever stuff it is will be true. Last time when they release the Campro engine people thought it has the technology similar to VTEC.
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Jul 31 2007, 07:13 AM
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any real pic has been release
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Jul 31 2007, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE Hope all this TCU, ECU or whatever stuff it is will be true. Last time when they release the Campro engine people thought it has the technology similar to VTEC. You never know whether the TCU or ECU stuff is true since TCU can be embedded into the ECU and TCU is just a software update (or simply just a result of tuning). |
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Aug 1 2007, 11:38 AM
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seems like v all oways been foolish by proton...wtf the designer of proton hv..change a bit design then consider new design,dun noe wheter the ppl none creative or they just being lazy to use their brain at all,y i being said like this...when u all see the fore pic of gen2 sedan ,u'll b so pity to malaysia proton coz their business till to bottle neck olidi...just like waja,change the front grille,a bit change of tail lamp...then ...wahhhhh...proton new car again.So guys,think abot the proton how they threat us....
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Aug 1 2007, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(emenlau99 @ Aug 1 2007, 11:38 AM) seems like v all oways been foolish by proton...wtf the designer of proton hv..change a bit design then consider new design,dun noe wheter the ppl none creative or they just being lazy to use their brain at all,y i being said like this...when u all see the fore pic of gen2 sedan ,u'll b so pity to malaysia proton coz their business till to bottle neck olidi...just like waja,change the front grille,a bit change of tail lamp...then ...wahhhhh...proton new car again.So guys,think abot the proton how they threat us.... u cannot blame the designer...they designed maybe hundreds of concept..but the management decide which goes to production...btw i dun thing the launching the new sedan as a foolish act.not a smart move but not a foolish act...it may look the same as the gen2, but they hv improve all the problem on the current gen2... |
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Aug 1 2007, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(emenlau99 @ Aug 1 2007, 11:38 AM) seems like v all oways been foolish by proton...wtf the designer of proton hv..change a bit design then consider new design,dun noe wheter the ppl none creative or they just being lazy to use their brain at all,y i being said like this...when u all see the fore pic of gen2 sedan ,u'll b so pity to malaysia proton coz their business till to bottle neck olidi...just like waja,change the front grille,a bit change of tail lamp...then ...wahhhhh...proton new car again.So guys,think abot the proton how they threat us.... Friend...the Waja was a facelift, where as the Gen2 Sedan is NOT |
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Aug 1 2007, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(kris407 @ Aug 1 2007, 01:49 PM) Friend...the Waja was a facelift, where as the Gen2 Sedan is NOT but to me i think they should not call it a new model or what since it is just a gen2 with a longer butt.. |
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Aug 1 2007, 02:22 PM
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We have to see the real car to see whether it's really similar to Gen2 or not..
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Aug 1 2007, 02:39 PM
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of cos la similar but with a longer back only maa.......and new chasis.
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Aug 1 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(chaku @ Aug 1 2007, 12:31 PM) u cannot blame the designer...they designed maybe hundreds of concept..but the management decide which goes to production... LOL got so many problem. HMmm better wait till the first batch give response firstbtw i dun thing the launching the new sedan as a foolish act.not a smart move but not a foolish act...it may look the same as the gen2, but they hv improve all the problem on the current gen2... |
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Aug 1 2007, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Aug 1 2007, 03:09 PM) LOL got so many problem. HMmm better wait till the first batch give response first Lol, all cars have problems. Not just the Gen.2And while some of you don't care about the TCS, it does in a way gives more comfort to know that in rainy days you will have more traction and grip, thus less accidents. Now if we have have the ABS.... |
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Aug 1 2007, 03:45 PM
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so how come dun make once time to improve the car,oways hv to wait till the 2nd batch huhhhh.....izzit this is destiny of proton or it was the tactics to cheat money from consumer...As bro chyan said only the longer butt change...can found some pic from cari.com...
MALAYSIA BOLEH.....Tipu |
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Aug 1 2007, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(emenlau99 @ Aug 1 2007, 03:45 PM) so how come dun make once time to improve the car,oways hv to wait till the 2nd batch huhhhh.....izzit this is destiny of proton or it was the tactics to cheat money from consumer...As bro chyan said only the longer butt change...can found some pic from cari.com... bleh, you can say the same thing with other car manufacturers. Remember the recall of all teh first batch of the new Volkswagon Beetle?MALAYSIA BOLEH.....Tipu |
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Aug 1 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jul 29 2007, 02:35 PM) ya la...... fer y'all who didnt c it...... didnt u c this? the back of the gen2 sedan or so called 'proton persona'.... |
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Aug 1 2007, 03:55 PM
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somehow if were to compare jus compare a sedan & hatchback in da showroom wil do. no need to argue so much
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Aug 1 2007, 04:05 PM
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Kinda looks like Waja cum Gen2.
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Aug 1 2007, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Aug 1 2007, 03:50 PM) bleh, you can say the same thing with other car manufacturers. Remember the recall of all teh first batch of the new Volkswagon Beetle? Man..I like to say izzit the problem oways happen to them..No...But since the proton was born still remain the same problem untill today..especially proton perdana..till now there still got a problem..damm it..how many batch olidi huhhh....Rm100k++,i rather buy a vios or sentra.Malaysia..Pls give us a break.. |
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Aug 1 2007, 04:28 PM
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Say what you want dude, it's your money. Not mine.
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Aug 1 2007, 04:33 PM
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ahhhh another proton model, with such a huge response and publicity with the i-care slogan.....me wanna puke so bad
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Aug 1 2007, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(emenlau99 @ Aug 1 2007, 04:26 PM) Man..I like to say izzit the problem oways happen to them..No...But since the proton was born still remain the same problem untill today..especially proton perdana..till now there still got a problem..damm it..how many batch olidi huhhh....Rm100k++,i rather buy a vios or sentra.Malaysia..Pls give us a break.. Yeah...RM100K+ for Perdana is nut case...so many choices for that price...VIOS, ALTIS, Sonata and top up a bit more for Camry... etc etc.Proton should just dump the Perdana and focus on the low-end to mid-range segment instead of competing at the high end where they're not ready. |
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Aug 1 2007, 04:44 PM
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lol, even if they're ready, will the bashers admit it?
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Aug 1 2007, 05:11 PM
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P2 has the fuel-efficient factor. THe P1 should have the performance factor since it's 1.6. If the low-end torque isn't solved yet, will be quite a disaster.....
According to the images provided by our kind forummers, P2 doing 4.7xl/100km and P1 doing 6l/100km......I don't mind the 6l/100km but low end torque mesti ada.... |
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Aug 1 2007, 06:57 PM
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I doubt that the new TCU can improve the low end torque. Maybe have to wait for either VIM or CPS.
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Aug 1 2007, 07:17 PM
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shoot.. 4.1% interest?
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Aug 1 2007, 07:38 PM
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hope the release of this car will not make the traffic more jam!!!
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Aug 1 2007, 07:46 PM
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huh? what is the relation between new car and traffic condition?
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Aug 1 2007, 08:11 PM
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new car=more car on the road=jam jam jam
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Aug 1 2007, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(gtghost @ Aug 1 2007, 05:11 PM) P2 has the fuel-efficient factor. THe P1 should have the performance factor since it's 1.6. If the low-end torque isn't solved yet, will be quite a disaster..... Who say's P2 doin 4.7xl/100KM???According to the images provided by our kind forummers, P2 doing 4.7xl/100km and P1 doing 6l/100km......I don't mind the 6l/100km but low end torque mesti ada.... My Kelisa is doin 6l/100KM as well... |
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Aug 1 2007, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:11 PM) new car=more car on the road=jam jam jam You are right!!! Especially for those from Kuala Lumpur and petaling jaya |
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Aug 1 2007, 10:03 PM
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while im always in peaceful state....hehe
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Aug 1 2007, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(Lowyat @ Aug 1 2007, 09:47 PM) You are right!!! Especially for those from Kuala Lumpur and petaling jaya Thats bad...really bad...Should increase the price of cars even higher than it is lol |
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Aug 1 2007, 10:13 PM
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so stress is buildin' up evrytime ya drive there huh? roadrage and somethin' thats bad. ;(
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Aug 1 2007, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Aug 1 2007, 10:09 PM) Thats bad...really bad... LOL..when people want cheap car, u ask to increase the price Should increase the price of cars even higher than it is lol |
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Aug 1 2007, 10:50 PM
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just Imagine the stress in a long trafic jam... then nature call.... huhuhu
even in kuching now start to build traffic jamm but not as worst in kl or pj. I think i'll try to test drive it when it is officially launched. no harm in test driving... |
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Aug 1 2007, 10:54 PM
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I wonder if we can trash the test-drive car.
I want to feel the corner with lotus handling, high speed running on highway. But if involve in accident then how? |
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Aug 1 2007, 11:03 PM
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u pay for it then..haha
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Aug 1 2007, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Aug 1 2007, 10:13 PM) so stress is buildin' up evrytime ya drive there huh? roadrage and somethin' thats bad. ;( Surely..espcially when u stay in shah alam and want to go to kuala lumpur in the morning using the federal highway,u will think u better walk then drive... This post has been edited by Lowyat: Aug 1 2007, 11:35 PM |
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Aug 1 2007, 11:55 PM
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setakat ni aku tau jalan ,mana yg jam pada masa mana... pastu carik jalan alternative lor..... sure x sakit kaki jam nye pasal...
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Aug 2 2007, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE(barrylin @ Aug 1 2007, 03:09 PM) LOL got so many problem. HMmm better wait till the first batch give response first why dont proton just have a basic line with ABS system as a MUST to all their product line..is it possible? malaysian need a car with safety feature..CD n MP3 player can be upgrade later.. but i never heard about attaching n ABS system in a car... |
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Aug 2 2007, 03:05 AM
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where can trash the car?/
i tot they will hv like someone beside you in the car? |
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Aug 2 2007, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(selinix @ Aug 1 2007, 02:05 PM) but to me i think they should not call it a new model or what since it is just a gen2 with a longer butt.. although it is....there's a difference between the hatchback and sedan right and moreover, no one knows what's it called until 15th august Added on August 2, 2007, 1:18 pm QUOTE(emenlau99 @ Aug 1 2007, 04:26 PM) Man..I like to say izzit the problem oways happen to them..No...But since the proton was born still remain the same problem untill today..especially proton perdana..till now there still got a problem..damm it..how many batch olidi huhhh....Rm100k++,i rather buy a vios or sentra.Malaysia..Pls give us a break.. Vios and Sentra have their own problem too lah! Moreover, Toyota and Nissan wouldn't sell their cars for RM40+K! My brother's sentra was bought about 1 1/2 years ago and less than a month, he had gear box problem. He has changed his gear box twice and the problem still persists. If you have a friend who works in Nissan...check with them, they'll tell you! Added on August 2, 2007, 1:21 pm QUOTE(Chester @ Aug 1 2007, 07:17 PM) shoot.. 4.1% interest? No lah...try Proton's own finance. It's called Proton Commerce. It's a joint venture between Proton Edar and CIMB Bank. They are offering 3+% and government and government linked company employees get 2.95%This post has been edited by kris407: Aug 2 2007, 01:21 PM |
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Aug 2 2007, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Aug 1 2007, 10:54 PM) I wonder if we can trash the test-drive car. remember the trashed neo? the 1 somebody crashed it while test driving it in shah alam.I want to feel the corner with lotus handling, high speed running on highway. But if involve in accident then how? i wonder what happened to the 1 test driving it. |
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Aug 2 2007, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Aug 1 2007, 10:54 PM) I wonder if we can trash the test-drive car. what for test the car if cannot rev it kaw kaw?I want to feel the corner with lotus handling, high speed running on highway. But if involve in accident then how? |
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Aug 2 2007, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Aug 2 2007, 03:03 PM) what for test the car if cannot rev it kaw kaw? Maybe that is the purpose of test-drive but i more concern about accident This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Aug 2 2007, 03:05 PM |
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Aug 2 2007, 03:03 PM) what for test the car if cannot rev it kaw kaw? If they provide a special track / road to test drive the car (away from the traffic), that will be more fun. Most of the time, when wanna test drive a car, the traffic is heavy, can only do 40km/h to 60km/h the most, you hardly get to rev until the engine noise intrudes the cabin. That's why some people didn't know the Campro engine was harsh when hitting over 100km/h because during test drive, they're probably driving at half of the speed. |
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Aug 2 2007, 03:11 PM
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When i test drive the waja..the SA ask me masuk lubang to try the suspension.
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Aug 2 2007, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 2 2007, 03:11 PM) When i test drive the waja..the SA ask me masuk lubang to try the suspension. so how izzit..doesnt feel a thing?new car suspension bagus..ofcos..their test drive car is new rite? |
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Aug 2 2007, 08:12 PM
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wanna see the improvement in the interior side...... huhuhu
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Aug 2 2007, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 2 2007, 03:11 PM) When i test drive the waja..the SA ask me masuk lubang to try the suspension. haha...same to me... but i cna't find lubang that time, so i test by going through road bumps at 60km/h also the sudden brake haha |
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Aug 2 2007, 08:45 PM
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find a longkang to masuk instead ma! hahaha
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Aug 3 2007, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Aug 1 2007, 11:55 PM) setakat ni aku tau jalan ,mana yg jam pada masa mana... pastu carik jalan alternative lor..... sure x sakit kaki jam nye pasal... Must buy auto then...manual sure make kaki sakit if driving in KL. today i was jam in the federal highway for an hour....wtf... This post has been edited by Lowyat: Aug 3 2007, 05:02 PM |
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Aug 3 2007, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(Pro-MX @ Aug 2 2007, 08:45 PM) find a longkang to masuk instead ma! hahaha Then you will see another series of Initial P. If any member do have a look or test drive after the launch, please do update us thanks. A neutral review will do. |
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Aug 3 2007, 06:19 PM
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Today booking one , metal grey color . Wait how fast can get it. ^.^
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Aug 3 2007, 06:25 PM
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ha?!
the gen2 sedan..u made a booking edi?? if v cud test cars like on a circuit or something..it wud b so so nice.. hmm..imagine the circuit..for corners, high and low speed, bumps, potholes..nice nice nice.. hehe..me dreams |
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Aug 3 2007, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(yangxi @ Aug 3 2007, 06:19 PM) Today booking one , metal grey color . Wait how fast can get it. ^.^ for sure u r first batch, so should be fast |
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Aug 3 2007, 06:38 PM
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the sales man told me book now when officially launch day will get the car already..
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Aug 3 2007, 07:49 PM
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I think Proton ads about this sedan quite funny and interesting.
 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/08/03/pro...sedan-peekaboo/ |
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Aug 3 2007, 07:53 PM
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wow, a lot of good feedback for this car !
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Aug 3 2007, 08:02 PM
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 Pictures and some more information of the new Proton Persona http://www.terato.com/cars/content/view/581 |
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Aug 3 2007, 09:07 PM
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Can u see the interior of the car?
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Aug 3 2007, 09:07 PM
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Very nice if the sedan front looks like Proton Neo .
*sales man told me got RM3000 rebate , free labour service |
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Aug 3 2007, 09:08 PM
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Based on the info on paultan it seems that u can see the interior. BUt just see la but cant touch
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Aug 3 2007, 09:21 PM
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few more days maa...no need to speculate more......juz wait...hehe
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Aug 3 2007, 09:25 PM
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Just wondering how the interior looks like. I heard the interior still has the old beige color and old design Gen2 front seats
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Aug 3 2007, 09:43 PM
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? sounds great This post has been edited by syyang85: Aug 3 2007, 09:46 PM |
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Aug 3 2007, 09:47 PM
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No need to "I heard bla bla" anymore. Only few days more.
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Aug 3 2007, 10:02 PM
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15th august is a wednesday?
what time will launch? after i go to the COE too early pulak... |
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Aug 3 2007, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(syyang85 @ Aug 3 2007, 09:43 PM) ?sounds great |
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Aug 3 2007, 10:47 PM
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MyVi saves better petrol than Honda City?
Hrm... |
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Aug 3 2007, 10:51 PM
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1.3 mah...but city saving more than kancil
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Aug 3 2007, 10:56 PM
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what the... crap man a 10 years old technology myvi engine is more fuel economy than Honda city and toyota vios?
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Aug 3 2007, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE(FerrariST @ Aug 3 2007, 10:56 PM) what the... crap man a 10 years old technology myvi engine is more fuel economy than Honda city and toyota vios? Myvi is only 1.3 and it's a lot lighter than City and Vios but one thing hard to believe, Gen 2 is heavier than most makes and it's a 1.6 engine, how come the fuel consumption is too good to be true. Never heard my friends saying their Wira consumes less fuel than a Vios. I have a friend driving Wira 1.5 (A) Aeroback and after changing to a Vios, she claimed was getting much better mileage, more km/l. Hmmm ..... |
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Aug 3 2007, 11:51 PM
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umm i think the graph means how much litre per km as in 7l/km for wira and vios is 5.1l/km
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Aug 4 2007, 12:20 AM
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Took a quick peek just now, it has a bootlip spoiler. Personally I think it looks better without the lip. Brings out too many lines at the rear.
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Aug 4 2007, 11:02 AM
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11 more days to go.......hope this time proton would'nt dissappointing us again!!! Putting high hope on it...planing to trade in my old waja for this car.
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Aug 4 2007, 11:06 AM
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i was curios bout this car look....if it look ok then i will trade in my kelisa for this....but duno how it look .....hope wont disapointed me again
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Aug 4 2007, 11:15 AM
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Hmmm im still thinking that there is some mistake done on the fuel consumption graph as posted earlier, being a myvi driver myself i dont think that a myvi 1.3 FC will be much better than honda city and vios eventhough they are with the 1.5 engine.
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Aug 4 2007, 11:42 AM
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power windows malfunction - improve glass guide and run channel??
when my bro bought waja campro, it claims improvement to the power windows. well, just got the whole mekanism changed from front windows. now he is looking for options to sell his waja campro. it is a fuel hog! but still the price is attractive. oh well, I'm happy with my MYVI |
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Aug 4 2007, 11:55 AM
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At first i wanted to book this car before deciding on Myvi. But the heart does not seems to click since the older car model give lots of problem in the past. I guess i'll just have to wait until VolksWagen come into picture Then only i will decide whether to let proton be in my family
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Aug 4 2007, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(Twinchest @ Aug 4 2007, 11:55 AM) At first i wanted to book this car before deciding on Myvi. But the heart does not seems to click since the older car model give lots of problem in the past. I guess i'll just have to wait until VolksWagen come into picture Then only i will decide whether to let proton be in my family The talks with VW hasn't come up to a conclusion yet? (sorry very outdated) Well I really doubt that Proton will give in to 51% of shares to VW. |
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Aug 4 2007, 05:52 PM
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31 august 20007 mayb......
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Aug 4 2007, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ Aug 4 2007, 05:21 PM) The talks with VW hasn't come up to a conclusion yet? (sorry very outdated) Not give in....joint venture....51% VW and 49% Proton....i sure hope it'd done faster so we can see REAL IMPROVEMENT... Well I really doubt that Proton will give in to 51% of shares to VW. |
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Aug 4 2007, 06:42 PM
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Hope this time no more headact and hope proton manage to employ angmo to design the car interior. Last time the proton engineer height only 4 meter.
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Aug 5 2007, 02:12 AM
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ Aug 4 2007, 05:21 PM) The talks with VW hasn't come up to a conclusion yet? (sorry very outdated) 51% is not enough, I prefer VW has full control of Proton including their yucky vendors, it's time to kick vendors who are not able to supply high quality parts to Proton. That's for the good of Proton and its future. Well I really doubt that Proton will give in to 51% of shares to VW. |
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Aug 5 2007, 02:14 AM
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75% to have full control...
but not good to have full control also la... national pride ma... |
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Aug 5 2007, 07:26 AM
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the design is kinda weird, very much like combi of gen2 n waja..
but lets wait n c how it'll be soon... |
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Aug 5 2007, 07:43 AM
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From the technical spec, I presume its bigger than the wira sedan or waja?
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Aug 5 2007, 07:44 AM
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from the way it looks, its around the size of waja..
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Aug 5 2007, 09:52 AM
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my loan just approved yesterday..... x sabar nak dpt new sedan |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Aug 4 2007, 06:42 PM) Hope this time no more headact and hope proton manage to employ angmo to design the car interior. Last time the proton engineer height only 4 meter. wow, must be a very tall engineer. i'm only 1.7m. |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Aug 5 2007, 09:52 AM) my loan just approved yesterday..... x sabar nak dpt new sedan |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(nerd @ Aug 5 2007, 10:14 AM) wow, must be a very tall engineer. i'm only 1.7m. Taller than the world tallest man |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:59 AM
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Is it the norm now to book cars without having the actual model and specs known? Only in Malaysia or is it the same elsewhere? This happened a few times already.
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Aug 5 2007, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(inoitu @ Aug 5 2007, 10:59 AM) Is it the norm now to book cars without having the actual model and specs known? Only in Malaysia or is it the same elsewhere? This happened a few times already. the specs is already known la in this case........ |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:06 AM
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last time i saw a chart comparing this new sedan FC with other cars. Can someone post it up here? i couldn't find it...
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Aug 5 2007, 11:11 AM
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It's at page 22
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Aug 5 2007, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Aug 5 2007, 11:11 AM) It's at page 22 Thanks. how they measure this FC. based on manual or auto car? |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:39 AM
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can`t wait to c it.....hopefully it would be better
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Aug 5 2007, 12:24 PM
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Everyone is tempting to get the hand on the new car, same like when gen2 first time comes into picture. But after that thousand of problem comes in. This is why rather than engage and straight away buy the car, why don't we become the spectator and see how many problem that this new car gives us compare to p2 . Then only decide. Wouldn't that be a better way? Just my 2cent opinion la.
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Aug 5 2007, 03:25 PM
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If there is a picture of the interior then maybe more people will book this car. Not sure why there is no spyshot or teaser on the interior.
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Aug 5 2007, 03:58 PM
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the Gen 2 sedan wont have CPS or VIM. sad.. but true.
but the CPS will be fitted in the upcoming Waja and Gen 2 hatch. |
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Aug 5 2007, 05:12 PM
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i tried to google,but cant find one thing..What's the meaning of CPS?
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Aug 5 2007, 05:15 PM
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cps = computer profile system
uahahaha This post has been edited by olman: Aug 5 2007, 05:26 PM |
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Aug 5 2007, 05:24 PM
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its actually Cam Profile Switching (CPS) which is currently available in Volvo S80.
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Aug 5 2007, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Aug 5 2007, 10:34 AM) congratulatuions. dont forget to give the review on this new car. its very tempting. i considering to trade in my car for this new sedan will giv review ASAP...... |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Aug 5 2007, 05:24 PM) its actually Cam Profile Switching (CPS) which is currently available in Volvo S80. Oh,but i thought that all campro engine have it? The new sedan not using campro? |
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Aug 5 2007, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Aug 5 2007, 10:55 PM) Oh,but i thought that all campro engine have it? The new sedan not using campro? technically speaking, proton conned all those waja and gen2 hatchback buyers. uahahhahaha |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(olman @ Aug 5 2007, 10:58 PM) technically speaking, proton conned all those waja and gen2 hatchback buyers. uahahhahaha Well, that's true |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:00 PM
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now only they install real cps on those waja's and gen2's ar...aiyor
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Aug 5 2007, 11:00 PM
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Not only Gen2 hatch and waja, neo also.
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Aug 5 2007, 11:12 PM
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Haha,so previous one is campro without cps.But the new sedan is a new model,so they still don't put it in?
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Aug 5 2007, 11:16 PM
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Yap, no cps but improved TCU.
But that will be a cps in Gen2 facelifted and about waja, dunno whether they call it a facelifted, new generation or what |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:31 PM
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It's just a facelifted,exterior design just add the fugly front part and thermometer back lamp..But the interior is excellent !
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Aug 5 2007, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(hokuan @ Aug 5 2007, 11:31 PM) It's just a facelifted,exterior design just add the fugly front part and thermometer back lamp..But the interior is excellent ! u have seen the interior??? |
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Aug 5 2007, 11:40 PM
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The interior of Waja campro..Haha
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Aug 5 2007, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(olman @ Aug 5 2007, 11:36 PM) u have seen the interior??? He's not talking about this sedan but the new waja. |
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Aug 6 2007, 01:10 AM
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to be honest, waja interior looks good to me.
but exterior IMO is getting worst... |
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Aug 6 2007, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Aug 5 2007, 03:58 PM) the Gen 2 sedan wont have CPS or VIM. sad.. but true. huh? no CPS for this gen.2 sedan?but the CPS will be fitted in the upcoming Waja and Gen 2 hatch. i thought the CPS is build in for this sedan.then hopefully the TCU can do magic... |
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Aug 6 2007, 12:56 PM
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yeah, just updated TCU and im not too sure bout the performance..
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Aug 6 2007, 01:09 PM
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Dear All,
There is a sneak peak at The Curve, Mutiara Damansara (near The Street)....its call NEW SEDAN PEEK-A-BOO. The car is in a covered and there are holes where you can actually see the car. Those of you'll who still haven't seen the car...help yourselves! |
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Aug 6 2007, 01:12 PM
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errrr, i will pass
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Aug 6 2007, 02:52 PM
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Haha,thanks for informing us!Few pages back there we have another forumer told us too
..But I wonder whether the interior is visible or not.. |
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Aug 6 2007, 02:59 PM
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I went to The Curve the other day and the proton representative spoke with me...at one time I chuckled because he told me that this car is designed to compete with
Honda City Toyota Vios Perodua Myvi I chuckled again. |
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Aug 6 2007, 03:13 PM
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did any one get the view of the interior yet?
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Aug 6 2007, 03:18 PM
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some one told me dat the interior is basically the same design but without the analouge clock and new seat design.
the quality is also better, but the colour is still not known..... the 'crop circle headunit' design still retain. |
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Aug 6 2007, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Aug 6 2007, 02:59 PM) I went to The Curve the other day and the proton representative spoke with me...at one time I chuckled because he told me that this car is designed to compete with i LOLed!Honda City Toyota Vios Perodua Myvi I chuckled again. Proton actuaklly kill their own Waja b4 they compete with the rest...now thats a real good strategy |
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Aug 6 2007, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(eddychstu @ Aug 6 2007, 03:35 PM) i LOLed! Win some lose some Proton actuaklly kill their own Waja b4 they compete with the rest...now thats a real good strategy |
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Aug 6 2007, 04:13 PM
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cps vs vtec & vvti
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Aug 6 2007, 06:25 PM
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hahaha! come again? it must be my eyes...a little too optimistic arent they?
Im sure the order'll be Vtec, VVTI then comes lonely CPS... But seriously~ been wondering how the CPS would fare. |
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Aug 6 2007, 07:21 PM
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you can ask the owner of new Volvo S80 how the CPS and VIM works.. or you can test drive one .
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Aug 6 2007, 08:48 PM
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Not sure why they not implementing the either CPS or VIM to improve the Campro low end torque. Maybe it is not ready or the cost is just too high.
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Aug 6 2007, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Aug 6 2007, 07:21 PM) you can ask the owner of new Volvo S80 how the CPS and VIM works.. or you can test drive one . Meaning?? The CPS of the proton has similar characteristics of the volvo's? |
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Aug 6 2007, 10:15 PM
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maybe...
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Aug 6 2007, 10:23 PM
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the same CPS also been used by porshe
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