if the specs feralee posted are true, then this might be something really worthwhile indeed.

well, bashers generally can't afford other cars apart from Proton, so that's why they bash, they think without Proton they can buy a City at Gen2 prices lol.. keep dreaming

okay, my bad then, sorry.

bah, i'm lazy to play this pwning game. only leads to flame wars.

Nope. that is coffeshop talk. BS.

Chinaman say: No sauce. Well, sauce may be tasty with some govt projects - but does not go well with Proton.

Proton is operated as a company like any other. It does not economy of scale, but is coping ok i guess.

RM50k for a 1200kg sedan OTR is reasonable. Do a comparison of the OTR prices for 1200kg class sedans in other countries if you dont believe me.

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Added on July 23, 2007, 8:39 pm

The City/FitAria is a ~1000kg class sedan. It's a lil smaller than a gen2 sedan, which is a ~1200kg class sedan.

The City/FitAria is a sedan version of the small Jazz/Fit.

A fair comparison would be between the City and the upcoming "Sedan" version of the Savvy platform.

A Honda 1200kg class sedan, the civic, costs RM75k OTR (WITHOUT TAX/NAP)... even if NAP/proton didnt exist, it would be about RM85k with GST and normal taxes... much more than the gen2 sedan. Of course, it is abit more technologically advanced. But the gen2 sedan is only ~RM50k

...it's still reasonable.

RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jam


can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ?

Stupid bashings again..pawn big time my shiny ass.

Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh*

Noobies stop the bashings...we've had enough of dumb people around.

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Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned.

looks promising..

might even better if the price is a little bit lower... max 48?

looking forward to new proton ambitions in QC..

btw, why the interest is quite high? 4.1%, perodua i think at 3.88% something. Someone care to explain?

Both technology is suppose to improve the engine performance.  We all have heard/read about how sluggish Campro is below 4k RPM.  Driving in city can hardly take you up to 4k RPM and then there is the issue of noise.

A sluggish engine at low end will consume more petrol as in city we tend to be revving low.  Before all these technology, engine are normally tuned to optimum performance at a certain range range of RPM.  with these technology (valve timing and VLIM), the engine is suppose to have good perform across wider range of RPM.

you see... the valve open/close sequence is controlled by the shape of the lobe on the camshaft.  Since this is a mechanical part, the valve opening and closing timing is fixed.  At different engine speed, to achieve optimum performance we need a different timing.  The valve timing technology will address this.

now VIM... air and fuel burn in the combustion chamber to run the wheel.  so air is one important component in the performance factor.  thus people doing CAI (cold air intake), open pod, replace drop-in etc.  In most manifold, the path the air travel before reaching the combustion chamber is fixed.  Again, at different engine speed, different air condition is prefered.  VIM address this by having (as the name...!!!) variable length.  At low engine speed, the air will travel faster to the engine (i hope i remember this correctly) and vice versa.

Proton's VLIM implementation uses  plastic which again is another advantage.  Plastic is easier to form to any shape.  So the path can be design to give the best flow.

Hope i got the explanation right.  Anyone spot and mistake please do correct.  Feel free to add also.

now all Proton cars come with 5 years warranty or mileage(forgotten) which come first.
I don't think interest play a lot with length of warranty period.

curious. isn't the current Gen2 already a Sedan?

and funny thing is Gen2 already competing with Waja. and now they wish to release another.

will it be called Gen2 again?

Bro,

Waaa... sure thing man. its a car vs Tree. have u seen the latest accident somewhere around last week. 4 in MYVi dead with the others in ISWARA also serious injuries. Got big picture on front page also...which is a big milo junk that i also at first think its just a kancil/viva....to my shock...MYVI!!!. 

Now that is a one to one comparison. P1 vs P2. just like wat u guys did on the WAJA vs VIOS be4 somewhere in this forum.

40k car price range...where can get u big/safe cars. get urself a 100k imported car larrr. 

what if 10% is below their cost already. in tht case, no matter how many car they sold it will still not profitable.
u have to remember tht proton doesnt have the advantage of 100,000+ car per model not like other car maker.

Aiyo..u all basher that keeps saying interior hard plastic lar...sharp lar..etc etc...stupid or what mehh..

U go see suzuki swift..oso hard plastic mar..like proton only..
U go see Vios..Also plastic wat... city..also plastic... hell..even u buy a Civic/Accord also plastic.. neva see those things turn to knifes and stab u all over when accident...

Perodua also plastic...and its the same friggin hardness! 

dont have to kutuk la...
its just a choice for u... dont like dont buy la..
other ppl still want to buy what...
just like ppl like to say if i got money i wont buy that expensive thing..
when they got money, you see they buy or not...

ICU = Intensive Care Unit

Man..I like to say izzit the problem oways happen to them..No...But since the proton was born still remain the same problem untill today..especially proton perdana..till now there still got a problem..damm it..how many batch olidi huhhh....Rm100k++,i rather buy a vios or sentra.Malaysia..Pls give us a break..

The talks with VW hasn't come up to a conclusion yet? (sorry very outdated) Well I really doubt that Proton will give in to 51% of shares to VW.

mind to elaborate your statement here?
how over rated is a city/ vios?
don't compare those tax thing. we live in malaysia, tax is unavoidable.

             

2 more days

well done proton... another strategy to loss money  

nope, don't have.

only the new upcoming gen2 and waja got.

there goes the Gen2 market and its 2nd hand value....

kill the persona? well, the new waja + CPS stand a better chance killing it's new brother. as for the Gen2 + CPS, that one maybe for small family man who likes spirited driving.

IMHO, the waja's QC is still questionable, even for the new face lifted version.

don't know when's the launch date. everything seems to be top secret

Persona is more spacious than Waja or Vios..

But one thing still worries me. The FC. HOw good will it be? Since the car is larger then waja and gen-2 (supposily heavier as well) will it be worse than both of them > The waja and gen-2 already a fuel drinker.

But one thing still worries me. The FC. HOw good will it be? Since the car is larger then waja and gen-2 (supposily heavier as well) will it be worse than both of them > The waja and gen-2 already a fuel drinker.

I dont think there anything wrong with proton taking an existing model and make it as a new model. The persona is not just copy and paste job, it requires additional engineering on how to make the car drive more comfortable w/o losing some of the lotus dna, which is a signature for newer proton cars.

There are other world class car manufacturers did the same. Take volkswagen for iinstance. While the golf is the hatchback, the sedan version of the golf is called the Jetta, while the convertible version is called the EOS.

So i dont see anything wrong with proton putting a different name, furthermore the persona is more acceptable name rather than the horrendous gen2 name.

Guys, i not a proton fanboy, but i admit i am supporting the way Syed Zainal is doing for Proton. So guys dont bashing blindly and at least be constructive when giving out comments.