ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher.

Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be.

20yr's is very young for a car company.
Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years!

About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc).

I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt.


The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags.


edited: grammatical errors.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 23 2007, 01:58 PM

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Proton and perodua are aiming at different market segments...

Nope. that is coffeshop talk. BS.

Chinaman say: No sauce. Well, sauce may be tasty with some govt projects - but does not go well with Proton.

Proton is operated as a company like any other. It does not economy of scale, but is coping ok i guess.

RM50k for a 1200kg sedan OTR is reasonable. Do a comparison of the OTR prices for 1200kg class sedans in other countries if you dont believe me.

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Added on July 23, 2007, 8:39 pmThe City/FitAria is a ~1000kg class sedan. It's a lil smaller than a gen2 sedan, which is a ~1200kg class sedan.

The City/FitAria is a sedan version of the small Jazz/Fit.

A fair comparison would be between the City and the upcoming "Sedan" version of the Savvy platform.

A Honda 1200kg class sedan, the civic, costs RM75k OTR (WITHOUT TAX/NAP)... even if NAP/proton didnt exist, it would be about RM85k with GST and normal taxes... much more than the gen2 sedan. Of course, it is abit more technologically advanced. But the gen2 sedan is only ~RM50k

...it's still reasonable.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 23 2007, 08:39 PM

Dewd... I was saying WITHOUT NAP/PROTON (Same tax on Proton and Honda), the price would be RM70k+. About 85k for a Civic (Currently RM113k OTR).


RM50k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan. Check overseas prices (OTR) for other 1200kg sedans if you dont believe.

Yeah, it's me again. Nice to meet you too.

Just putting sense into ppl's heads and stopping bashers from making ridiculous comparisons.

Time will tell.... People will judge in the showrooms,.. the real size of cars in relation to weight.

Believe me.. ~1000kg cars feel different inside and look a lil smaller on the outside than the ~1200kg cars. I had to make a choice recently.

1000kg vs 1200kg
Ford: Fiesta vs Focus
Honda: Jazz/Fit Aria vs Civic
Toyota: Yaris vs Corolla
Proton: Savvy vs gen2
Mazda: Mazda2 vs Mazda3

still dont believe me? Owh rite, i forgot... bashers will always say things like: "gen2 needs to be heavier because proton engineers not so skilled lah bla bla bla". They often have teh l33t skill of clairvoyance to make broad sweeping claims like that. Then they go around saying the Civic should be RM30k when even without tax, without NAP, it's above RM70k (assuming proton/NAP didnt exist). Ignorance.

IM not a proton fanatic. Heck, i dont even drive a proton. My jazz is a month old... and already has a bit of dashboard creeking. fvck. But overall it's a good car. I get 6-8L/100km with a light foot on the pedal... I wonder how the FC figures in the brochure was calculated. Honda City (Fit Aria) 5.XL/100km is kinda hard to believe.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 24 2007, 11:29 PM

Teh Juara was a mistake. Causing sore eyes and blindness.

It was not exactly "new"... it was a reskinned Mitsubishi Town Box, a micro van... similar to what perodua did with the Myvi... just that they made the diahatsu model better looking... instead of uglier.

ooh, the door trims look different...

he was referring to a picture of a preproduction unit.

PaulTan has since clarified that that was an exceptional case...only three of those cars existed.

Well, but the bottom line is Proton recycles about 6,000,000,000 ringgit back to malaysian workers pockets each Quarter (1/4 year).

Money that would have gone overseas workers pockets if not for proton.

the reduced size spare tire is to increase boot space and decrease fuel consumption a little.

That picture has been disproven lar...

It's from an early prototype. One of three ever built. An error on the part of Siemens that made it.