QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 10:11 AM)
obviously you cannot take the CONCEPT of a percentile ranking system like the oz ter system, and apply it on the local scenerio.......the bell shape curve is the same....
i think it is pointless to continue, my point are clear, i leave it to the readers to come to their own conclusion........those who can understand will understnad, those who can't, or wouldn't, well......
the education has failed us, and we are really taking inappropriate people into ipts med schools for money.......Nope, i do understand the concept of TER, but i was talking about TER for SAM in my previous posts, yet you shifted your goal post to SPM. IT's like i am asking for apple, but you give me orange instead.
I don't know whether the statement in bold is directed at me, but i can proudly say i have a good enough SPM and Pre U results to be in medical course, even by your standard.
Again, you did not answer my question, are you a medical student/doctor?? Why are you scared to answer this question?
Added on March 24, 2008, 10:24 amQUOTE(zltan @ Mar 24 2008, 10:13 AM)
I'm not a big fan of limeuu as we've had disagreements before, but this really gave me a laugh which I haven't had for a long time.
It is really obvious what his occupation is, he has said and pointed it out. Hell, even haya highlighted it. As a med student, you really shouldn't be expected to be spoon fed anymore. When you actually do see patients, you will need to be very attentive to what they say. The solution which leads to the right diagnostic might be there and you don't want to miss it, do you? By the way, out of curiosity, which uni are you getting your medical education from? Manipal?
Dude, just as i have highlighted before, information is widely available on the internet, Anyone can be a master at anything just by gathering info from the net. Therefore, i prefer to get a confirmation from him. Btw, i do get the "hint" from his post,
but i just want confirmation like "i am a doctor working as planner for health service in XXXX". Statement like this
carries more weight than the statement in bold below. Also, i have to post the same question several times before he finally posted up the statement in bold below.
QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 12:29 AM)
aim of all this is to reduce variability to as low as possible.......this is NOT a trial and error experiment......" okay let's see, we shall take this group of students, see how they do.....oops, oh dear, we got a lot of bad ones, they just killed some patients.......bugger........."
and to reduce wastage........every student kicked out is a waste of time, money, and more importantly, waste of a place and a potential doctor for the country.....
if you ever become a manager/planner for a country's health service, you will know what i mean.....
Added on March 24, 2008, 12:31 amisn't it painfully obvious from my comments?
Proof of me asking many many times before he finally posted the statement in bold above:
QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 23 2008, 06:53 PM)
How do you know there are 400+K of students per cohort?? Any source to verify this? Btw, i am talking about TER for SAM, not SPM. Good SPM results don't usually translates into good Pre U results (A level especially)
As i have mentioned before, although it is the last common exam for Msian students, it's debatable marking scheme makes it an ineffective tool to measure one's ability/eligibility. Pre U result is more accurate. Although there are many Pre U programs around, it's still far better than using SPM as benchmark. If not, why do you think medical schools look at Pre U result rather than SPM???
Btw, just curious, which medical school are you from? Or you are already working?? how come you got so much free time to be so active in this forum??
Or perhaps my time management is bad 
QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:11 AM)
Dude, you are not getting my points either. I am not saying medical schools choose candidates with SPM results. All i am asking you is why you keep on stressing that SPM is an important yardstick or benchmark for Msian students. Why not just look at their Pre U results, the med schools they graduate from (reputable or not), Med school results and clinical performance, which provide better and more accurate assessment for a doctor/medical graduate's ability.
Btw, are you in medical school or working as a doctor?QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:23 AM)
Why is it difficult to assess someone by their Pre U results??
For Sam, look at TER. For me, 93 and above is good.
A levels, 3 As and above is good
Canadian Pre U, more than 95 is good.
Btw, why do you care about entry so much?? Isn't med school results, clinical performance more important and are more likely to distinguish good doctors from bad ones??
Btw, you consistently avoided my question. Are you a medical student or a doctor?QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:27 AM)
Hmm, see, it isn't too difficult after all.
Also, again i make my stand, i see no point in benchmarking a doctor/medical students with just SPM results, thanks to its falling standard and debatable marking scheme.
Again you avoided my question. ARE YOU A MEDICAL STUDENT OR A DOCTOR? I seriously see no point in debating with someone who is not in the medical field.Besides, this is a totally different scenario from seeing patients. Patients usually dun lie, but forummers, on the other hand, can lie about anything they want. Also, you can tell whether a patient is telling lies by looking at his/her facial expression. And all i see in this forum are words and emocons.
Yes, i am from Manipal. You are from Melbourne right? Gosh, i have always dreamed of going there, but just dun have the money as well as the results to enter (getting TER 99 for SAM is seriously crazy). What did you do for pre U? SAM, Trinity college or A level??
This post has been edited by hypermax: Mar 24 2008, 12:46 PM