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TSlegstrong
post Feb 22 2007, 06:31 AM, updated 18y ago

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i was wondering how many medical students are in LYN? Just to find out if i'm the only one busy reading forums instead of studying.

start introducing yourself by stating which medical college you in. You can also discuss the current medical college condition that you're studying, and to inform others about the pro's or con's about your college, or inquire us about the medical college you're interested in.

i'm from melaka-manipal.

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post Feb 22 2007, 06:44 AM

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Melbourne Uni... transferred there from IMU.

You're not the only one browsing forums instead of studying tongue.gif
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post Feb 22 2007, 06:54 AM

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haha...lovely dude...i taut i'm the only one here not studying..
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QUOTE(legstrong @ Feb 22 2007, 06:31 AM)

start introducing yourself by stating which medical college you in. You can also discuss the current medical college condition that you're studying, and to inform others about the pro's or con's about your college, or inquire us about the medical college you're  interested in.



cheers! rclxms.gif
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If the thread is strictly on this, it will definitely benefit the community. Remember, avoid 1 liners and unnecessary spams.
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post Feb 27 2007, 06:15 AM

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If i'm not mistaken, they have just opened the application for Manipal& Mangalore's Kasturba Medical College (which includes dentistry) . It'll be closed on early May 2007. I got news from my friends that international students have a special quota if you would want to enter the college, and is based on "first come first serve" basis if you have met the Malaysian government and their requirement.So do apply fast if you are interested. drool.gif

On the other note, the application for Melaka-manipal has closed cry.gif . Kasturba in manipal can be an alternative choice for those who couldn't get into melaka-manipal. It's actually the same thing compared , just that it's a little tougher and you have to be there longer. Most of all, you'll be studying under the same roof as us! rclxms.gif
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post Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM

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hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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such is the sad state of affair, people studing medicine who are really NOT interested, but forced to by parents.........

maybe you can think about bio-technology..........may be lab work, or mechanical engineering like work, but on medical equipment, etc..........

radiographer are not doctors, but technicians. they operate x-ray machines.....
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post Mar 4 2007, 04:42 PM

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I come to know one needs triple sciences (Chem, Bio. Phys) for direct entry(not Melaka-manipal MC) into medical schools in India, but most STPM students only have double sciences (including me). Any solution so that I can get into the medschools there.
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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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Call your dad to shut up. Do what you want to do, not what your dad says. Who says engineering sector has no jobs? They do, but maybe not as much as the medical sector.

He is also judging this upon looking at the current situation. When you graduate in 4-5 years time, you think everything will still be the same? Engineer still won't have jobs?

My honest say is, study what you like to do. I have a friend who is forced to study medicine in IMU by his parents. Sadly, after 3 years of study, he calls it a day. What a waste. Note that he excelled academically in IMU.

Oh ya, I'm no Medical student. Don't mind me popping in and having a few words?
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post Mar 5 2007, 06:26 PM

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I come to know one needs triple sciences (Chem, Bio. Phys) for direct entry(not Melaka-manipal MC) into medical schools in India, but most STPM students only have double sciences (including me). Any solution so that I can get into the medschools there.

Anyone? rclxms.gif
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have any of this medical students know about this malaysian medical resources forum? Maybe can benefit u all....i'm not a medical student tho.. sweat.gif
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post Mar 6 2007, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 12:51 PM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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plz dont do medicine if u're not interested in it
but i heard there is a new field which is called medical engineering
of course u need to get the mbbs/md first b4 furthering to that field
some said it's very hard to get in but the job prospect is very good since there are too few people involved in it

i dont think that dentistry is easier than medical..in fact u have to have art skills too...not sure,correct me if im wrong
btw good luck to you! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 7 2007, 12:44 AM

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Hello LYN medic students, i am considering medical studies at IMU after my A-levels so.. any IMU or ex-IMU students could give some details about the life there? not only IMU other medic students could give some details about a doc`s life??
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post Mar 7 2007, 02:47 PM

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I'm from IMU, partnered to Dundee,UK and now working in UK. Woohoo, after all these long years as medical STUD-ent.

I need to clarify something first of all. You don't need to be genius to be a medical doctor. All you need is a good results from A-level, STPM or equivalent to qualify into a medical school. Once you qualify, all you need is brain cells to memorize all (not all, but MOST) of the medical facts that you will learn. Once you pass and grad as a doctor, all you need if to be street-smart i.e. be empathic, work hard and have a good clinical skills. As a doctor, you learn from working experience. So stop showing off by talking medical (trash) terms or conversing in medico-latin words. I hate some smart-alecs from year 1 or 2 who talk trash about anatomy and physiology which they just learn from few hours of lecture and not knowing how to apply it on human beings called patients.

Therefore, if you don't like medicine don't 'try' it. Medicine is boring if you don't have the interest. With re: to studying in IMU, I can say I have no regrets. IMU life is one of my best part of my life. Ppl you met in IMU are awesome, and believe me IMU is just great.
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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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actually there is, have u ever heard of medical physics courses,,
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I'm from IMU, partnered to Dundee,UK and now working in UK. Woohoo, after all these long years as medical STUD-ent.

I need to clarify something first of all. You don't need to be genius to be a medical doctor. All you need is a good results from A-level, STPM or equivalent to qualify into a medical school. Once you qualify, all you need is brain cells to memorize all (not all, but MOST) of the medical facts that you will learn. Once you pass and grad as a doctor, all you need if to be street-smart i.e. be empathic, work hard and have a good clinical skills. As a doctor, you learn from working experience. So stop showing off by talking medical (trash) terms or conversing in medico-latin words. I hate some smart-alecs from year 1 or 2 who talk trash about anatomy and physiology which they just learn from few hours of lecture and not knowing how to apply it on human beings called patients.

Therefore, if you don't like medicine don't 'try' it. Medicine is boring if you don't have the interest. With re: to studying in IMU, I can say I have no regrets. IMU life is one of my best part of my life. Ppl you met in IMU are awesome, and believe me IMU is just great.








That's great! IMU-Dundee, which I'm seriously considering (just finished STPM). Smartymh, do you think it's easy to find a job or continue with your postgraduate training in UK after FY 1 and FY2, with the new EU law in place? And do you think it's difficult to transfer to Dundee from IMU?
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Question

Which is more important for a doctor to have?

A good heart, or a good brain?

I know both is important, but in your opinion which is more essential for a doctor to have. Choose only one. I dont want to hear 'you-must have-both' kind of crap.

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QUOTE(maniac_rage @ Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM)
Question

Which is more important for a doctor to have?

A good heart, or a good brain?

I know both is important, but in your opinion which is more essential for a doctor to have. Choose only one. I dont want to hear 'you-must have-both' kind of crap.
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i would say heart > brain

i personally looked down on doc`s who`s mind only think of money, money and money
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post Mar 7 2007, 11:52 PM

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wgy589: To be honest, at the moment, I don't think studying in UK in order to look for a long term job is a good idea. Once you grad in UK, you'll allow FY1 & 2 which is easy to get (Or rather you'll 99% get these 2 yrs). After the 2 yrs, it is tough to get specialist training jobs. Competition is high, immigration ruling doesn't help at all. Everything is so confusing now with foundation training and specialist training. Probably (hopefully) things will improve by the time you finished your IMU BJ years.

My advice is, apply for IMU PMS while wait n see the future situation. If things gone worse, just apply somewhere not UK. Unless you don't see yourself wanting to specialize or staying long-term in UK, then Dundee is a great place to be!


Maniac_rage: I think good heart will make a far better doctor than a genius doctor. Patient is human, and human needs sympathy if they are sick. Knowledge can be gained from working experience, but it takes more effort to be a caring doctor. (If you understand what i mean)
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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
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lolz you will be surprised to hear that dentistry is considered harder than medicine even their scoped is smaller. That is because they'll learn the most important body part in a super-great detail compare to medic students which is the head.
Perhaps not many people out there knows that dentistry is not only related with teeth mouth, but instead they are handling most of the jobs regarding the head.
IINM, if someone is having accident and his face is badly wounded, they'll get dentist first b4 call other medic surgeons.
But dentistry is a money-making doctor's profession brows.gif

BTW, what year/phase u guys are in right now?

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QUOTE(smartymh @ Mar 7 2007, 02:47 PM)
I'm from IMU, partnered to Dundee,UK and now working in UK. Woohoo, after all these long years as medical STUD-ent.

I need to clarify something first of all. You don't need to be genius to be a medical doctor. All you need is a good results from A-level, STPM or equivalent to qualify into a medical school. Once you qualify, all you need is brain cells to memorize all (not all, but MOST) of the medical facts that you will learn. Once you pass and grad as a doctor, all you need if to be street-smart i.e. be empathic, work hard and have a good clinical skills. As a doctor, you learn from working experience. So stop showing off by talking medical (trash) terms or conversing in medico-latin words. I hate some smart-alecs from year 1 or 2 who talk trash about anatomy and physiology which they just learn from few hours of lecture and not knowing how to apply it on human beings called patients.

Therefore, if you don't like medicine don't 'try' it. Medicine is boring if you don't have the interest. With re: to studying in IMU, I can say I have no regrets. IMU life is one of my best part of my life. Ppl you met in IMU are awesome, and believe me IMU is just great.
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agreed fully on what you have said
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smartymh? MH? hey dude, didn't know u r on this forum tongue.gif hows life? where u working now?

Life in IMU is great... missing it everyday man.... but then, life as a doctor even better... well, not everyone think so but I do... reason being this is what I want to do which is why I would agree with heart is much more important than brain....

Do not be a doctor if u actually duwan to be one.... life is not good as a doctor if that is the case.... life is however, awesome if u really want to be one smile.gif
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Hi, My I know at your school, how many % of bumi study STPM now.
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not many bumis in form 6..............last choice lah...........those better ones already got scholarship to overseas................then those cannot get scholarships, go to matriculasi, or mara, then left those who will go to stpm........
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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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Engineering hard to get job? I dont think so, people nowadays always need engineer anywhere!
If you want a medical course related to physics, I suggest you go Biomedical Engineering. It applied Bio and Mechanical knowledge to work in hospital or even industry. It is still a new and developing course that spreading to many countries now. As Malaysia now planning to advance Biotechnology in the future, here are the coming after opportunities.
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Great Uni offering the Best Med program i can say.

Email me for more details ONLY if you are interested in UNSW.

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Yr 2 med student from Unimas (its in Kuching, btw!)
Am i the only student from gov-u in LYN?

Peek-a-boo in my life: Its 7.52am and Im studying for my Prof 1 (now taking a break la). I do not wake up early, only sleep REALLY early.. Get my point?
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QUOTE(mini_me @ Mar 30 2007, 07:53 AM)
Yr 2 med student from Unimas (its in Kuching, btw!)
Am i the only student from gov-u in LYN?

Peek-a-boo in my life: Its 7.52am and Im studying for my Prof 1 (now taking a break la). I do not wake up early, only sleep REALLY early.. Get my point?
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hey, i've a friend from UNIMAS too. A girl who is doing her 2nd year (your batch right?)
and another one is a guy doing 1st year

Nop, you're not the only med student from gov-u in LYN tongue.gif I'm from UM

edited: your book, dont sell it lar, give it to your junior laugh.gif

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hey, i've a friend from UNIMAS too. A girl who is doing her 2nd year (your batch right?)
and another one is a guy doing 1st year

Nop, you're not the only med student from gov-u in LYN  tongue.gif  I'm from UM

edited: your book, dont sell it lar, give it to your junior  laugh.gif
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Oh really? Maybe i know her too!! Haha... Our batch little people ny.. Small community, get along easily...

Aiseh, need to sell off to fund my other books rclxms.gif ... Afterall, jus trying my luck in LYN.. Who knows? maybe got ppl need this little baby ler?? icon_idea.gif

Oh, a group of UM students came here to do Bakti Siswa (if not mistaken).. Were u one of them? And wanna ask, do u think Kamal's book cheaper or UM bookstore? Anyway, nice to meet u.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mini_me @ Mar 31 2007, 09:29 PM)
Oh really? Maybe i know her too!! Haha... Our batch little people ny.. Small community, get along easily...

Aiseh, need to sell off to fund my other books rclxms.gif ... Afterall, jus trying my luck in LYN.. Who knows? maybe got ppl need this little baby ler?? icon_idea.gif

Oh, a group of UM students came here to do Bakti Siswa (if not mistaken).. Were u one of them? And wanna ask, do u think Kamal's book cheaper or UM bookstore? Anyway, nice to meet u.... biggrin.gif
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that people doing bakti siswa is my seniors.. they all in phase 2B during that time
Kamal's book is slightly cheaper compare to UM's pekan buku, but if u stays near to pj, i think its better if u get the books from pekan buku.. the price differ is not much, really wink.gif
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hi.. imu year 4 reporting. full course in msia. smile.gif

mini_me, vk med book store in imu is the cheapest, because they bring in the book that imu students use in bulk. but their selection is very very limited. next is kamal, then UH bookstore. oni go UH when the book can't be found in VK or Kamal.

noorep, don't do medical in your case lar. chances are you are going to waste your time and your dad's money. like the others say, no one will make it through if there is no interest. if your dad thinks that medical docs make a lot of money, he has gotten his facts wrong. and nope, dentistry and veterinary are harder then medicine.
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hyper...your senior is here...
..hahaha...



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hi, everyone! off to long case xm this morn
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QUOTE(klifex @ Apr 5 2007, 04:52 AM)
hyper...your senior is here...
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haha... which uni? alumni? biggrin.gif notworthy.gif

QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ Apr 5 2007, 07:15 AM)
hi, everyone!  off to long case xm this morn
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should have finished by now. icon_rolleyes.gif hope u did well.. which uni? biggrin.gif
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Yo glyde, long time no hear dude.

I'm back here again after long break from LYN. Hoho.

Glad there r medics community in LYN. Do u guys play more games than studying?? hehe
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wah really cant wait to me a meical student. currently doing a levels pre med in taylors. cant wait to join this thread hopefully in august or september next year. but yeah. give us some good insights!
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QUOTE(klifex @ Apr 5 2007, 04:52 AM)
hyper...your senior is here...
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OMG my senior sweat.gif laugh.gif
still student or working edi? sweat.gif


Added on April 6, 2007, 2:16 ameh, i'm just wondering, how deep is you guys in russia learn biochemistry? coz i heard from my friend's sis many years ago, she need to memorized a lot of things including some small2 chemical reactions like those in steroids hormone synthesis

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dun worry hyperx...there's no orientation here ...haha..no need to sweat that much.
well, there's indeed a medical community here. so, need later we can open a new room for online medical consultation tongue.gif

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News flash- Melaka manipal latest batch is filled with scholars. only 40 private students out of 120. That's bad isn't it? That;s because Kasturba MC got filled up by private students that didnt make it the last batch.

It's great that so many ppl are interested in medicine. But somehow, i feel that it's becoming a business opportunity for some. I guess with the increasing amount of scholars , the harder it will become for others to enter the uni that you want. Seriously, i don't think there's any of you would like go all the way to egypt , indonesia etc , if you have the chance.

feynman- i hope you're joking

BTW- i have some used med books for sale indian editopn. It's cheaper here though. Anyone intrested? Anat, physio and biochem books. I also have tonnes of unused and super new USMLE based books on the same subject...thanks to my worried parents.

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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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well, the medical field is mostly about biology and a bit of chemistry.. but if u're interested, Forensic Science, Dietetics & Biomedic are a bit different from Medicine..


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haha, doc's life in M'sia not as glamorous as wat u see on grey's anatomy.. tongue.gif
as my Prof. tells me, a houseman is the lowest form of life... u r like an amoeba in the hospital..
well, doc's are trained to see beyond wat normal ppl see.. we're supposed to think ahead, plan ahead.. when you see a fracture case, you'll have to think of managing it, and think of all the possible complications that may arise (long-term, short-term)
& wat u learn today will be outdated tomorrow... except anatomy! unless humans undergo some weird mutation.. shocking.gif
all kinds of new drugs and therapies are being researched.. which will be much different from wat u learn now, if compared to when u start working..


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Question

Which is more important for a doctor to have?

A good heart, or a good brain?

I know both is important, but in your opinion which is more essential for a doctor to have. Choose only one. I dont want to hear 'you-must have-both' kind of crap.
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well, a good heart.. coz brains alone are not enough to see you through ur whole medical career..
u may do academically well... but when u work, u'll be dealing with dying patients, unreasonable relatives, obnoxious docs.. so u'll be thinking: y d hell did i study so hard for?
so if u have a good heart, u'll know that all your effort is being put into providing a better quality of life for your patient.. icon_rolleyes.gif

& if ppl ask u: y do u wanna b a doctor?
dun say: cz i wanna help ppl... (policeman, fisherman, vcd seller oso help ppl)

say: cz i wanna use d knowledge of a doc 2 help ppl, cz not everyone can b a doc.. & i think i have what it takes to grad as a doc! blush.gif

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Hi everyone!

I just my offer from PMC, I'm really excited to started. However, I'm really unclear on what is in store for us after graduating from Med School as a Malaysian student. As far as I know, there is a 1 year internship, followed by 3 years of service to the government. How are they going to allocate us and what is going to be expected of us.? Would be grateful if anyone could give me the lowdown of what's to come! biggrin.gif

Oh! Any advise on any preparation I should be making before entering med school?

PMC students? Would love to hear about your experiences at Dublin and Penang.

Thanks!
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before enter medicine school..enjoy your normal life as much as you can as it'll be a total different world when u get inside.. tongue.gif
you never know wat will comes to you after graduate...
you apply for your desire posting hospital 3 choices, and interview in putrajaya.
MOH will inform you where to go..usually go back to your own state according to latest policy..and if u really unlucky..sabah and sarawak..
but dun be too upset going over east malaysia coz you'll be having extra couple hundreds of allowance if u from peninsula. and the people there are much more friendly to doctors then peninsula's patients.

later on in your medical years, you'll notice lots of doctors asking you to go over there for your houseman. Hospital management there is much more systematic and you wil e torture less and get more respect even you're a houseman.

in malaysia...not exactly to describe houseman as the lowest life form...instead of the best bully freshman in the hospital. Well, it's about skils of survival, communication, knowledge and management of patients just to avoid being scolded by nurses and senior doctors and specialist.

It must be hard to be scold by other doctors in front of patient...well, think about it...people dun scold you for nothing...pay some respect to those working with you in the hospital although you're the doctor. Some people just got ego the day when people started calling them "dr"...

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It must be hard to be scold by other doctors in front of patient...well, think about it...people dun scold you for nothing...pay some respect to those working with you in the hospital although you're the doctor. Some people just got ego the day when people started calling them "dr"...
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a good lesson i can say laugh.gif
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sounds like there's many obstacles yet to come eh? I rather not work honestly speaking, it's enjoyable looking at books sometime don't you think so?

btw,all the best to you aerikh, from USM, you'll be a doc soon!

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Hi everyone!

I just my offer from PMC, I'm really excited to started. However, I'm really unclear on what is in store for us after graduating from Med School as a Malaysian student. As far as I know, there is a 1 year internship, followed by 3 years of service to the government. How are they going to allocate us and what is going to be expected of us.? Would be grateful if anyone could give me the lowdown of what's to come!  biggrin.gif

Oh! Any advise on any preparation I should be making before entering med school?

PMC students? Would love to hear about your experiences at Dublin and Penang.

Thanks!
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congrats! rclxms.gif

preparations?

1) buy a few dictionaries...english pro, medical... sometimes they can be life-saving.. tongue.gif

2) brush up on English (if it's d teaching tool used at PMC), comunication skills..

3) prepare for friends & family members to ask about any little pain, fever or illness that their relatives may have.. even though u've just started your course.. tongue.gif

4) enjoy! rclxm9.gif


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sounds like there's many obstacles yet to come eh? I rather not work honestly speaking, it's enjoyable looking at books sometime don't you think so?

btw,all the best to you aerikh, from USM, you'll be a doc soon!

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aerikh- i have a friend in usm too, and in ur year too!! haha
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Apr 23 2007, 03:07 PM)
congrats!  rclxms.gif

preparations?

1) buy a few dictionaries...english pro, medical... sometimes they can be life-saving..  tongue.gif

2) brush up on English (if it's d teaching tool used at PMC), comunication skills..

3) prepare for friends & family members to ask about any little pain, fever or illness that their relatives may have.. even though u've just started your course..  tongue.gif

4) enjoy!  rclxm9.gif
thanx legstrong!  nod.gif  hehe, u could always go into research, instead of clinical.. then u'll be poring over books all day long..
serious? haha... care to drop a name?  brows.gif
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btw im studying dentistry in kmc, mangalore. 2nd year nw, looong way of suffering to go
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radical85- we're so close yet so far dude, i feel your pain...i'm feeling it here too. Thank god you're not here in manipal, you'll be bored to death here. At least you have pizza hut there but we have dominos here, and domino's sux! Are you going to make it for merdeka this year? I'm planning to charter a flight back on the 29th though, i hope it's possible.

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ps-say, can the mod pin this thread up?
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Is studying medicine in India good?How's their lecturer and place to stay?
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Hi everyone, i'm at the end of my 2nd yr already, going into third year this september. i'm in manchester, UK. hehe..apart from studying, i spend waaaayyy to much time watching man united~

Manchester is quite good for medicine but u have to really work hard because it's Problem Based Learning (PBL) if u guys have heard of it before. Got to perform every week if not at the end of the semester you are screwed since there's not that many lectures!

But hell it rains so much here though.
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hey,i wanna join this thread too..
now i'm in egypt.1st year.now is the musim 4 final exam..haha..

at first i have doubt bout medic in egypt but now,im starting to love it..huhuhu..lecturers are very helpful especially towards malaysian..hehehe..

cant wait for the summer,wanna go home rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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For those who is studying in manipal or kmc, what subjects that i need to take for the requirement?I know triple sciences but is english and math necessary?How is their entrance test like?Is it tough?
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im currently doin my a lvls
considered doin med bt i dn think my parents wil b able to afford it
the fees for imu is round 380k rite?
hmmm how bout veteniary
anyone knows wher can i do it locally =D
thx lots !!
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QUOTE(shatterday @ May 18 2007, 06:34 AM)
hey,i wanna join this thread too..
now i'm in egypt.1st year.now is the musim 4 final exam..haha..

at first i have doubt bout medic in egypt but now,im starting to love it..huhuhu..lecturers are very helpful especially towards malaysian..hehehe..

cant wait for the summer,wanna go home  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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nice place dude, where exactly in egypt? which uni?
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nice place dude, where exactly in egypt? which uni?
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hehe thx..well,im in zagazig..zagazig university...such a small place..1st batch of malaysian here..only 40 of us here..other universities here there r lots more malaysian..
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Apr 19 2007, 03:33 PM)
hello.. i'm from USM! greetings from the east coast!  cool2.gif
currently into the end of my 4th year.. if all goes according to schedule, will grad in May 2008..  rclxm9.gif


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wow, same as me, man... i'm a 2nd year student. Anyway, i hate USM! Now still not understand why they build a medical faculty in kelantan. doh.gif
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Why no one care to answer my question?
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QUOTE(JY. @ May 18 2007, 09:46 PM)
wow, same as me, man... i'm a 2nd year student. Anyway, i hate USM! Now still not understand why they build a medical faculty in kelantan. doh.gif
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why lar? my fren there, same batch as you, all of them never complain also...
they say people in kelantan is nice, and they can learn how to "kecek kelate" laugh.gif


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Why no one care to answer my question?
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be patience my friend, maybe the people who can answer your q is not in here yet...
you dont wont ppl simply spam giving lies to your q right? tongue.gif

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u all r medic student too can give some opinion also ler..
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QUOTE(legstrong @ May 19 2007, 12:30 AM)
When i was in first year, somebody here smuggled an anatomy book from egypt. I was surprised that it's all hand drawn! Terer!
Scholarship ? i think there're cheaper places.
VINT-I've just replied your pm.cheers.
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QUOTE(hyperx @ May 18 2007, 11:47 PM)
why lar? my fren there, same batch as you, all of them never complain also...
they say people in kelantan is nice, and they can learn how to "kecek kelate"  laugh.gif


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Ya, they are nice...but their life style not suitable for me...Try imagine, no cinema, no clubbing and nothing related to entertainment...WTF! They live a very simple life there, which i hate it. doh.gif
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Hi everyone, i'm at the end of my 2nd yr already, going into third year this september. i'm in manchester, UK. hehe..apart from studying, i spend waaaayyy to much time watching man united~

Manchester is quite good for medicine but u have to really work hard because it's Problem Based Learning (PBL) if u guys have heard of it before. Got to perform every week if not at the end of the semester you are screwed since there's not that many lectures!

But hell it rains so much here though.
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hmm..some of my friends are doing mansoura-manchester twinning program..they do 3 years here in egypt(mansoura),and another 2 years in manchester..hhuhuhu..im so jealous they get to watch Man U live..
Problem Based Learning seems interesting to me..my friends said they have no text book to refer,just go online everyday,at the end of the week,present the case..huhuhu..

QUOTE(legstrong @ May 19 2007, 12:30 AM)
When i was in first year, somebody here smuggled an anatomy book from egypt. I was surprised that it's all hand drawn! Terer!
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lol..yeah,most of the books are hand written and hand drawn..esp from cairo university..

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hmm..some of my friends are doing mansoura-manchester twinning program..they do 3 years here in egypt(mansoura),and another 2 years in manchester..hhuhuhu..im so jealous they get to watch Man U live..
Problem Based Learning seems interesting to me..my friends said they have no text book to refer,just go online everyday,at the end of the week,present the case..huhuhu..
lol..yeah,most of the books are hand written and hand drawn..esp from cairo university..
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I didn't know there's such twinning progamme in Egypt. I guess there's always a good twinning programme in every part of the world eh? There's one here also, Manipal-Antigua(US), which is mostly all american.

I realise the handwriting is also very nice. It has a jawi trace into it. Very artistic! I think i'll marvel on every word written. Good luck there!
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QUOTE(shatterday @ May 19 2007, 07:04 PM)
hmm..some of my friends are doing mansoura-manchester twinning program..they do 3 years here in egypt(mansoura),and another 2 years in manchester..hhuhuhu..im so jealous they get to watch Man U live..
Problem Based Learning seems interesting to me..my friends said they have no text book to refer,just go online everyday,at the end of the week,present the case..huhuhu..
lol..yeah,most of the books are hand written and hand drawn..esp from cairo university..
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Hehe, after u watch a couple of games, you become bored already trust me. Cannot watch too often also, scholarship tak cukup maa! cry.gif (any sponsor spies here aa?) brows.gif
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there is no such thing as the "best".............

you med students here better learn a new concept..........med schools are NOT in the businese of creating "best" student or doctor............but the best cohort of students..........

ie ALL student and newly minted doctors must be ALL well trained, ALL competent, ALL knowledgable, ALL empathic etc.............

therefore careful selection of students is of upmost importance..........

so "best" med school?....those whose selection process is the MOST stringent........
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best med school??..
i prefer the question should be best country?
as far as i can say it's definately not in Malaysia...from my point of view.

The chance of getting into Master programme is too slim...and most of the doctors opt for MRCP/MRCS so that they have higher chance of getting a place to do their master...
a master degree overseas will cost you 1 mil...almost impossible to go for it without scholarship or funding from government...
In certain countries such as US, UK...
after students done their housemanship, they can do their masterdegree while working under the teaching hospital. Then sub specialize in their field. The timeframe from a medical student to become a specialist is much more shorter...compare to malaysia's medical system..

you'll need to complete your housemanship and MO, 4 years, and if u lucky...continue with master (3-4years), and serve under supervision of consultant specialist...(maybe another 2-3 years)...then sub specialize again...(3-4 years)...
by the time u get out as a specialist...you're somewhere around 32-35 y/o...
compare to western countries where their can do master and sub specialize at the same time...they can sub specialize before the age of 30...
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I have some questions here...

1. I m from matrics...now facing big dilemma in choosing courses...i m a bio student...and i don rily noe isit suitable for me to go into medic...i m somekind of cold-blooded person...hardly develop sympathy towards ppl...is this a sign of not being a gud doctor...also...i m lack of patience...

2. I heard the job as a doctor can be very boring but can earn lotsa $$$....but doctor's life very hectic and no time to enjoy life wan right? Or can anyone clear me up on how a doctor's life will be?

th!!!
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Hi, everyone. I'll matriculate into NUS (National University of Singapore) this August. Hope to join this forum soon.
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I have some questions here...

1. I m from matrics...now facing big dilemma in choosing courses...i m a bio student...and i don rily noe isit suitable for me to go into medic...i m somekind of cold-blooded person...hardly develop sympathy towards ppl...is this a sign of not being a gud doctor...also...i m lack of patience...

2. undefined th!!!
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ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif dun be a doctor!!!!!!!!!!!

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QUOTE(klifex @ May 24 2007, 10:41 PM)
best med school??..
i prefer the question should be best country?
as far as i can say it's definately not in Malaysia...from my point of view.

The chance of getting into Master programme is too slim...and most of the doctors opt for MRCP/MRCS so that they have higher chance of getting a place to do their master...
a master degree overseas will cost you 1 mil...almost impossible to go for it without scholarship or funding from government...
In certain countries such as US, UK...
after students done their housemanship, they can do their masterdegree while working under the teaching hospital. Then sub specialize in their field. The timeframe from a medical student to become a specialist is much more shorter...compare to malaysia's medical system..

you'll need to complete your housemanship and MO, 4 years, and if u lucky...continue with master (3-4years), and serve under supervision of consultant specialist...(maybe another 2-3 years)...then sub specialize again...(3-4 years)...
by the time u get out as a specialist...you're somewhere around 32-35 y/o...
compare to western countries where their can do master and sub specialize at the same time...they can sub specialize before the age of 30...
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http://forum.malaysianmedicine.com/
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o... u must talk to doctors to get those info... and of course public resources will tell you how easily you can obtain a master degree in various way...
but if you're practising in Malaysia...trust me..this is how it's going to be alike...
well, it doesn't matter anyway...complete the housemanship first then decide what to do later...

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well, it doesn't matter anyway...complete the housemanship first then decide what to do later...
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QUOTE(bmwlover @ May 26 2007, 01:19 AM)
I have some questions here...

1. I m from matrics...now facing big dilemma in choosing courses...i m a bio student...and i don rily noe isit suitable for me to go into medic...i m somekind of cold-blooded person...hardly develop sympathy towards ppl...is this a sign of not being a gud doctor...also...i m lack of patience...

2. I heard the job as a doctor can be very boring but can earn lotsa $$$....but doctor's life very hectic and no time to enjoy life wan right? Or can anyone clear me up on how a doctor's life will be?

th!!!
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be a doctor because u WANT to be a doctor... not cz of ur results / family pressure / financial purposes

the medical profession is a very honourable one.. the reason why doctors are under such scrutiny & being in the news for all the wrong reasons is because of people who became doctors for the wrong reasons..

doctors are people who help others in need, using their knowledge and expertise in the medical field...
they are not people who can earn a lot of money / have stable financial life / people will hormat or sembah them / super duper cream of the cream of the cream of the nation...

if u enjoy relieving the pain & suffering of others, talking to people in need, working your a$$ off so that a stranger can sleep soundly at night,
then go ahead and be a doctor!

a doctors life should not be judged on how many cars / houses he owns.. or even the number of lives he has saved...
instead it should be the number or souls he/she has touched with kindness & compassion..

on the subject of the BEST medical school:

i agree that there's no BEST school... there's only the matter of LOCATION...
either the location BEST atau TAK BEST je...
like people dowan 2 go USM cz it's far away in KELANTAN... not becoz it's the worst Uni in Msia..

just my 2 cents here.. hope i don't offend anybody!

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they are not people who can earn a lot of money / have stable financial life / people will hormat or sembah them / super duper cream of the cream of the cream of the nation...

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i have to say, last time ppl do actually sembah doctors notworthy.gif ..hehe..

i for me, money is a form of a reward for serving to mankind. At least your kindness is paid.... rclxm9.gif


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exam.. sad..
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it' seems it's been very quiet here lately......i assume everyone's having exams? I just had mine tho.


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does egypt ok? alexandria universitiy?
seniors said foods there r good and cheap. u buy yogurt by kilos. can get apples 50 cents per kilo. sumore alex uni is next to medi sea, tourism area.
u can visit pharoahs RIPing places. sounds like heaven to me.

though i dunno how about med edu facilities ther in alex. care to share anyone?
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egypt best..hehe..my batch,alexandria uni is reserved for MARA scholars only..200++ of them there..their class does not mix wt egyptian..and,everday must wear formal..haha.. tongue.gif tongue.gif ..luckily im not in alex tho

alex is very BIG city..so many places to go..and every summer can mandi laut n 'cuci mata' haha..winter season,mmg cannot go mandi laut...the alex library also nice..biggest in africa i think..huhu..

food here are cheap,except for the imported ones..local foods are nice..
bout the fruits,depends on the musim laa..like now,summer is for grapes,peach,melons,apples..very cheap,grape 1 kilo for 1.5 LE-2.5 LE max..equivalent to rm 1-rm 1.5..huhu..winter season u'll find strawberry,strawberry,strawberry..u eat them everyday sampai muak..hahaha

bout the med faculty in alex,all i know the system is different frm other unis..e.g,we 1st n 2nd year students learn basic science-anatomy,physiology,biochem,histology,but in alex in 1st year they learn the 4 subject+pharmacology+pathology,+ egyptian studies n arabic language..
u have to ask the seniors to make sure,maybe im mistaken..hehe..thats all i know..

oh yeah,so glad that exam is over, icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif can go back home yeah

++ the arabs in alex,mmg 1st class,because most of them mix with the europeans,so most of the arabs look like omputih laa..hehehe drool.gif drool.gif

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Just done with my first year. Missed a distinction by 2 marks sad.gif

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Added on June 30, 2007, 9:03 amFunniest thing I learnt in Year 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_hedgehog

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very well now, anyone coming to manipal soon? you better get yourself a golf umbrella before coming. Trust me, it helps. We're having the rainy days now.

cheers all!
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Yr 2 med student from Unimas (its in Kuching, btw!)
Am i the only student from gov-u in LYN?

Peek-a-boo in my life: Its 7.52am and Im studying for my Prof 1 (now taking a break la). I do not wake up early, only sleep REALLY early.. Get my point?
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Hi, everyone. I'll matriculate into NUS (National University of Singapore) this August. Hope to join this forum soon.
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matriculate? you're enrolling into medical course no?
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matriculate? you're enrolling into medical course no?
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yup,
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Out of curiousity, what is Manipal's entry score?
I've heard of people who are unable to get into IMU but able to get into Manipal.


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the entry prerequisites depends on the prestige, and the cost of the particular med school.....the lower rank ones will take in lower, depending on the apllication pool.....even imu have a minimum cutoff of 85, and have taken in people with less than 90 before, although the current cutoff is about 95. pmc will take in people with less than 90, for the 6 year programme.........

basically, if you have money, and reasonable results, you can be a doctor in this country..............
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Out of curiousity, what is Manipal's entry score?
I've heard of people who are unable to get into IMU but able to get into Manipal.
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That used to be the case. But now Manipal reserves sits for scholarship students, so it's actually difficult to enter if you are a non-scholar.

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just finished first year of the course!! time flies man..

5 years to go =.=
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entering my 1st yer on jan 2008, my only hope is to pass every single yer. haha.

anyway, have you guys read on the extension of the period for housemanship, from 1 to 2 years in malaysia? any opinions? heh.
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anyway, have you guys read on the extension of the period for housemanship, from 1 to 2 years in malaysia? any opinions? heh.
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shit sux

i might try a bit harder to do my internship away from msia cos of this. if i do my internship elsewhere i wont be considered "fresh grad" and can go to MO when go back if i'm not mistaken. some of my batchmates also feel that way. not only extending our hman time but also lenght of time to get specialisation.

forgot to introduce myself:
IMU to Melb Uni 5th yr out of 6
gl to all of u starting out and to whoever asking about what IMU is like i have to say its great and i enjoyed myself in IMU much more than in Melb Uni smile.gif... cos melb so expensive cannot do anything if u want to stay above poverty line tongue.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 3:10 pmis there any1 here that has done some clinicals in UH? i'll be doing my elective there so just curious what its like.

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y come back. stay in Aus la
o if it's abt the same, wif 2 years housemanship, den apply S'pore la.
I'm sure S'pore will take u. Melbourne is just 1 of the best medskools


Added on November 24, 2007, 6:48 pmlet say u go S'pore, n get specialist training after 1 year houseman, 1year MO (of course not guaranteed), den ur career progression is much more faster den ur Malaysian counterparts, who haf 2 spend 2 years houseman, 3 years compulsory service, den wait a few years (it's the same thing laa, quota system)

Haha, u r 4/5 years faster den them.

Agree wif me?

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y come back. stay in Aus la
o if it's abt the same, wif 2 years housemanship, den apply S'pore la.
I'm sure S'pore will take u.  Melbourne is just 1 of the best medskools


Added on November 24, 2007, 6:48 pmlet say u go S'pore, n get specialist training after 1 year houseman, 1year MO (of course not guaranteed), den ur career progression is much more faster den ur Malaysian counterparts, who haf 2 spend 2 years houseman, 3 years compulsory service, den wait a few years (it's the same thing laa, quota system)

Haha, u r 4/5 years faster den them.

Agree wif me?
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this might sound crazy but i like living in malaysia. i like malaysian food, weather and life... of course malaysia has its downsides that we all know.......

i think sg isnt a nice place to live.. high cost of real estate + cars = live in rental room n public transport till u r consultant.
as interns in sg u make barely anything around SGD30k only which is not much when rental is usually around 2k for single room apt. and u get no OT pay.

living in oz i will definitely miss a lot of things in malaysia like my family n friends.. + the good cheap food that u cant find in oz
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QUOTE(ironboots @ Nov 24 2007, 02:43 PM)
shit sux

i might try a bit harder to do my internship away from msia cos of this. if i do my internship elsewhere i wont be considered "fresh grad" and can go to MO when go back if i'm not mistaken. some of my batchmates also feel that way. not only extending our hman time but also lenght of time to get specialisation.

forgot to introduce myself:
IMU to Melb Uni 5th yr out of 6
gl to all of u starting out and to whoever asking about what IMU is like i have to say its great and i enjoyed myself in IMU much more than in Melb Uni smile.gif... cos melb so expensive cannot do anything if u want to stay above poverty line tongue.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 3:10 pmis there any1 here that has done some clinicals in UH? i'll be doing my elective there so just curious what its like.
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Totally agree... Humans never seem to appreciate things until they are lost. Used to complain how shitty IMU was, but now think back the times it's still the best. Melbourne... crazy shit everything also expensive... cannot go anywhere, cannot do anything. Fees sky high till pokkai.

And here I shall shamelessly link our 2006 Ball cartoon which sums up our 5 fun-filled semesters in IMU.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUxU0fJmdDY

For those who want to study medicine... be very afraid after watching this.

QUOTE(wgy589 @ Nov 24 2007, 06:41 PM)
y come back. stay in Aus la
o if it's abt the same, wif 2 years housemanship, den apply S'pore la.
I'm sure S'pore will take u.  Melbourne is just 1 of the best medskools


Added on November 24, 2007, 6:48 pmlet say u go S'pore, n get specialist training after 1 year houseman, 1year MO (of course not guaranteed), den ur career progression is much more faster den ur Malaysian counterparts, who haf 2 spend 2 years houseman, 3 years compulsory service, den wait a few years (it's the same thing laa, quota system)

Haha, u r 4/5 years faster den them.

Agree wif me?
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Spore... not that easy also, although that's the closest we have if we don't want to stay in M'sia.

WTF is with the Gov? 2 years housemanship? rclxub.gif

Everyone is planning not to go back, so in the future our country will lack doctors. I too feel like going back after graduation since I still prefer Msian culture and weather (and food and everything else), yet the prospects over in Melb are more attractive. Then again, I don't really feel at ease over here - Home will always be home.

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Totally agree... Humans never seem to appreciate things until they are lost. Used to complain how shitty IMU was, but now think back the times it's still the best. Melbourne... crazy shit everything also expensive... cannot go anywhere, cannot do anything. Fees sky high till pokkai.

And here I shall shamelessly link our 2006 Ball cartoon which sums up our 5 fun-filled semesters in IMU.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUxU0fJmdDY

For those who want to study medicine... be very afraid after watching this.
Spore... not that easy also, although that's the closest we have if we don't want to stay in M'sia.

WTF is with the Gov? 2 years housemanship? rclxub.gif

Everyone is planning not to go back, so in the future our country will lack doctors. I too feel like going back after graduation since I still prefer Msian culture and weather (and food and everything else), yet the prospects over in Melb are more attractive. Then again, I don't really feel at ease over here - Home will always be home.
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haha. diff views
but i still think dat it's much more easier 2 secure a specialist training in S'pore den Melbourne/Aus.
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Nov 24 2007, 08:47 PM)
Senior sweat.gif

Totally agree... Humans never seem to appreciate things until they are lost. Used to complain how shitty IMU was, but now think back the times it's still the best. Melbourne... crazy shit everything also expensive... cannot go anywhere, cannot do anything. Fees sky high till pokkai.

And here I shall shamelessly link our 2006 Ball cartoon which sums up our 5 fun-filled semesters in IMU.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdjPv7mWLkw&feature=related

2007 dance comp?? their dancers way better than the ones in my years. the 1st 2 quite good

IMU was great.. lots of student organized activities so u can be quite fun while studying. IMU Cup is awesome biggrin.gif lots of batch rivalry lol. plus lots of talent shows although some contestants were not so talented sweat.gif ... but my batch had astro talent quest competitor (if u watch the show u probably would have seen her cool2.gif ) so her singing very keng totally different level from the amatures thumbup.gif
i think most stressful week was orientation for most ppl cry.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif i was lucky had a senior who was a good friend that helped me haha
good times n bad times (sem3 exam omg shakehead.gif rclxub.gif ) but overall i would say was fun and i definitely would encourage ppl to consider IMU if they want to do med.

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we produces 1400 doctors a year now, it is believed that in another 4 to 5 more years of time, malaysia will be taking in around 4000 med graduates a yer. i guess doctors will go overflow after 6 to 7 years. lol.

Yeah, anyway our hsemanship is extended to 2 years, compulsory services stay as 3 years. however, you can start doing your specialisation after your 2nd year on the compulsory government services d. and right after 2 yer housemanship, your will be getting slightly more on the pay compared to fresh MO coming out from their one year housemanship. lol.
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Nov 24 2007, 09:42 PM)
we produces 1400 doctors a year now, it is believed that in another 4 to 5 more years of time, malaysia will be taking in around 4000 med graduates a yer. i guess doctors will go overflow after 6 to 7 years. lol.

Yeah, anyway our hsemanship is extended to 2 years, compulsory services stay as 3 years. however, you can start doing your specialisation after your 2nd year on the compulsory government services d. and right after 2 yer housemanship, your will be getting slightly more on the pay compared to fresh MO coming out from their one year housemanship. lol.
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soli, i'm not realli sure. can anyone confirm dis on the specialisation thing.

but wat i heard from a local specialist is dat it's not possible 2 do ur specialist 2 early as long as u r non-bumi
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Nov 24 2007, 10:47 PM)
soli, i'm not realli sure. can anyone confirm dis on the specialisation thing.

but wat i heard from a local specialist is dat it's not possible 2 do ur specialist 2 early as long as u r non-bumi
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"Yeah, anyway our hsemanship is extended to 2 years, compulsory services stay as 3 years. however, you can start doing your specialisation after your 2nd year on the compulsory government services d. and right after 2 yer housemanship, your will be getting slightly more on the pay compared to fresh MO coming out from their one year housemanship. lol."

2 years hsemanship 3 yrs compulsory service stay. that is what being reported in the newspaper. abt the specialisation, im not that sure. it differs depending on what you wanna specialize. i knew someone who took 2.5 yrs to become an anaesthiologist (but she is working in Aus). initially she did her internship in spore, but migrated to Aus. unfortunately, even though she finished her internship in Spore, Australian Medical Council refused to recognise her internship, so she have to repeat her internship in Aus... i believe you can actually start specializing once you finish your hsemanship/ internship, depending on how hardworking/ smart you are... again, i am not that sure, i hope some 1 can clarify this issue


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cant compare oz with msia.

theres no racial profiling in oz whereas in msia malays will get 1st choice of registrar spots so if u want to enter a competitive specialty u will have to wait and quite possibly never get into it.

some specialties in oz are changing their program like surgery being possible to enter the program after intern yr. each specialty requires u have experience in dif types of wards so that will generally affect where n what u do.
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QUOTE(ironboots @ Nov 24 2007, 09:40 PM)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdjPv7mWLkw&feature=related

2007 dance comp?? their dancers way better than the ones in my years. the 1st 2 quite good

IMU was great.. lots of student organized activities so u can be quite fun while studying. IMU Cup is awesome biggrin.gif lots of batch rivalry lol. plus lots of talent shows although some contestants were not so talented  sweat.gif ... but my batch had astro talent quest competitor (if u watch the show u probably would have seen her  cool2.gif ) so her singing very keng totally different level  from the amatures thumbup.gif
i think most stressful week was orientation for most ppl  cry.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  i was lucky had a senior who was a good friend that helped me haha
good times n bad times (sem3 exam omg  shakehead.gif  rclxub.gif ) but overall i would say was fun and i definitely would encourage ppl to consider IMU if they want to do med.
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"Yeah, anyway our hsemanship is extended to 2 years, compulsory services stay as 3 years. however, you can start doing your specialisation after your 2nd year on the compulsory government services d. and right after 2 yer housemanship, your will be getting slightly more on the pay compared to fresh MO coming out from their one year housemanship. lol."

2 years hsemanship 3 yrs compulsory service stay. that is what being reported in the newspaper. abt the specialisation, im not that sure.  it differs depending on what you wanna specialize. i knew someone who took 2.5 yrs to become an anaesthiologist (but she is working in Aus). initially she did her internship in spore, but migrated to Aus. unfortunately, even though she finished her internship in Spore, Australian Medical Council refused to recognise her internship, so she have to repeat her internship in Aus... i believe you can actually start specializing once you finish your hsemanship/ internship, depending on how hardworking/ smart you are... again, i am not that sure, i hope some 1 can clarify this issue
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it is NOT possible to specialise as an anaesthesiologist in 2.5 years, anywhere in the world.....

and you appear to be confused between specialisation and internship, which are completely different things.........

as to 'starting' specialising, it depends on which country you are talking about, as the system is different for each country..........
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it is NOT possible to specialise as an anaesthesiologist in 2.5 years, anywhere in the world.....

and you appear to be confused between specialisation and internship, which are completely different things.........

as to 'starting' specialising, it depends on which country you are talking about, as the system is different for each country..........
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lol he was probably just confused with her getting accepted as a registrar in anesthetics after 2.5yrs as intern and resident


btw where/what yr r u in? dont think u introduced urself

edit: fixed some mistakes cos i'm posting half asleep

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Hey guys. Im a newbie here.

About me : A rare mental disorder sufferer spared to hav wasted 8 years. Luckily by the utmost God's blessings,
successfully subdued the hardest times & found the right doctor that treats me. Im on the recovery to
go on a normal life.

Hope u guys can help me out : Im 25 years old by now. Do u guys think its too late to pursue in Med field? Bcoz of
the mental disorder, I left only wif SPM qualification. Btw, watz the approximate cost
for A-Lvl? The last question is, watz the duration to become a medical specialist?
(in Malaysia, Singapore, or Oz perhaps?)

Im truly grateful of the presence of this forum. It really offers great information. Frankly, I've done plenty of
psychology tests & I am meant to be a Physician in Medical field. I totally agree wif the fact that a great doctor is a
doctor wif a great heart. I really appreciate ur help TQ.



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i dun think age is of form of obstacle to stop u from pursuing medic, but
instead $ n enthusiasm r the decidin factors.

duration from SPM to become a specialist realli depends, just 2 many factors, eg country, speciality, ur ability 2 pass the exam, subspecialty.... i would say it's from 15 to 20 years. but again, it depends
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after your pre-u provided u have the grades, u will need 5-6 years of undergrad med school and followed by another 6 years (very optimistic and general ball park figure.. usually more) before u get to be a specialist in oz anyway.

different countries different pathways. msia expect longer unless u bumi. in UK very long also due to their system. SG i have no idea.

u can shave 1-2 years off ur med school by going to dundee which is a 4yr program

also medicine is not cheap to study unless u get into local u but since u r taking A levels i guess u r not looking that way.
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QUOTE(ironboots @ Nov 26 2007, 06:13 PM)
after your pre-u provided u have the grades, u will need 5-6 years of undergrad med school and followed by another 6 years (very optimistic and general ball park figure.. usually more) before u get to be a specialist in oz anyway.

different countries different pathways. msia expect longer unless u bumi. in UK very long also due to their system. SG i have no idea.

u can shave 1-2 years off ur med school by going to dundee which is a 4yr program

also medicine is not cheap to study unless u get into local u but since u r taking A levels i guess u r not looking that way.
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wrong.......dundee is a normal 5 year programme, but for the purpose of twinning with imu, they admit students after 2 1/2 years at imu into the 4th year for another 2 clinical years, making it 4 1/2 years. Aberdeen is 2 1/2 years making it 5 years, and the rest are 3 years making it 5 1/2 years or more, depending on how you fit into the partner med school timing......some may need to wait 9 months before they can start the 2nd half of the programme at the partner med school............
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wrong.......dundee is a normal 5 year programme, but for the purpose of twinning with imu, they admit students after 2 1/2 years at imu into the 4th year for another 2 clinical years, making it 4 1/2 years. Aberdeen is 2 1/2 years making it 5 years, and the rest are 3 years making it 5 1/2 years or more, depending on how you fit into the partner med school timing......some may need to wait 9 months before they can start the 2nd half of the programme at the partner med school............
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o rly my mistake then. so what uni r u from? sound like IMU if u know so much about our pms program
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wonder where u guys take A-Lvl? Or u guys gained entry thru STPM qualification?

Btw, can recommend any excellent A-Lvl Centre? I heard so many complaints from Inti, Sunway, HELP, UCSI especially. Is Brickfield Asia College (BAC) A-Lvl recommended for students who wish to pursue in Med field? As far as I know, BAC is famous for the Law, A-Lvl for Medicine? = No Idea.
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yup, of course you will be able to pursue your medical studies! FYI age doesn't matters, i've had a senior here who's already 37yo and just graduated from his 5 year MBBS course. He's currently waiting for government posting.

Cost for A levels, depends where you wanna take it. It can range from 10k to 28k depending on how many subjects you're taking as well.

Duration to become a specialist? You have to count it yourself, normally this is how it goes: 5 years of undergraduate studies, if you're doing your internship in Malaysia, they have increased it to 2 years. After your housemanship, you will need to serve the Malaysian government for 3 years. You can start your specialisation programme on your 2nd year of government service. For the duration of master programme, it'll take between 4 to 7 years depending on what you're taking? This i'm not really sure, sorry guys! Do clarify for me. =]
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hey guys, i'm off to aus for foundation next yr , target MBBS =) hopefully I get in and pass the test and interview T.T wish me luck.

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take it ezy man, Aus is not dat tough 2 get in if u realli haf the ability 2 do medic. quite a no of my friends got in, but not studyin there cos of financial prob. not sure y they applied in the 1st place ...lol

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o rly my mistake then. so what uni r u from? sound like IMU if u know so much about our pms program
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http://www.imu.edu.my/partner_medical.html
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/prospectus/undergr...fs/Medicine.pdf

No one below the top 1% should even consider Medicne.
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QUOTE(haya @ Nov 30 2007, 02:26 PM)
I suggest you use something called the internet, and find out information on your own, instead of thinking youre 1337 just because you know "o rly". Not all of us are even doing MBBS, but we know something called research, instead of waiting to be spoonfed like a typical Malaysian.

http://www.imu.edu.my/partner_medical.html
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/prospectus/undergr...fs/Medicine.pdf

No one below the top 1% should even consider Medicne.
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i used o rly as a short form and i admitted my mistake.
all i did was ask him what uni he was in and i assumed he was a med student. i asked him before that post as well so please dont make baseless accusations.
seriously what's your problem?

and i hope you are not implyig that my grades are not in the top 1% of my pre-u course with your last statement because u seem to like making a lot of assumptions.

edit: i suppose i'm guilty of making the assumption that limeuu was a med student since he knew about specialising and details of IMU's PMS program and guilty also for assuming that dundee would only be 4 years program because people from IMU only do 2 years of clinicals. so if limeuu is not a med student and was offended that i took the liberty of assuming as such, i do apologise. and if there was anyone who was misinformed by my post about dundee i also apologise to you.


Added on November 30, 2007, 7:48 pm
QUOTE(ironboots @ Nov 25 2007, 11:58 PM)
lol he was probably just confused with her getting accepted as a registrar in anesthetics after 2.5yrs as intern and resident
btw where/what yr r u in? dont think u introduced urself

edit: fixed some mistakes cos i'm posting half asleep
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where i asked him the same question just out of simple curiosity as was the same reason the 2nd time I asked.

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^ Geesh..... peace people, peace... no point bashing each other up over a little misunderstanding.

QUOTE(Gratificator97 @ Nov 26 2007, 03:45 AM)
Hey guys.  Im a newbie here.

About me : A rare mental disorder sufferer spared to hav wasted 8 years.  Luckily by the utmost God's blessings,
                successfully subdued the hardest times & found the right doctor that treats me.  Im  on the recovery to
                go on a normal life.

Hope u guys can help me out : Im 25 years old by now.  Do u guys think its too late to pursue in Med field?  Bcoz of
                                            the mental disorder, I left only wif SPM qualification.  Btw, watz the approximate cost
                                            for A-Lvl?  The last question is, watz the duration to become a medical specialist?
                                            (in Malaysia, Singapore, or Oz perhaps?)

Im truly grateful of the presence of this forum. It really offers great information.  Frankly, I've done plenty of
psychology tests & I am meant to be a Physician in Medical field.  I totally agree wif the fact that a great doctor is a
doctor wif a great heart.  I really appreciate ur help TQ.
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WOW... Good for you.

Age is not a problem at all. 25 is not really that old anyway... if everything goes well you'll grad by early 30s.

There used to be a 36 year old engineer in IMU before... M1/01 batch I think. Never seen him before but heard news about him. Over here in my batch there's hell lots of post grads who are already in their 30s. So no worries there.

Just finished exams last week... Stuffed OSCE again. Damn.
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wow, haven't been in this thread for quite some time... laugh.gif

for gratificator..

STPMm SAM, A-level equivalents: 1-2 years

IPTA MD/MBBS 5 years

housemanship 2 years

govt service 2 years if you wanna further studies, 3 years if you wanna open your own clinic

master's programme 4 years

subspeciality 2-3 years

so, with hard work & a little luck, you could be a specialist in 14 years, or a superspecialist in 16!

since you're 25 (1 year older than me only), you can specialize at 39 y/o..
& if you keep yourself healthy & alert, there can be longer years of service ahead for you... smile.gif

age is never a barrier.. it's your will & determination! icon_rolleyes.gif nod.gif
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n $ of course
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Dec 4 2007, 12:14 PM)
^ Geesh..... peace people, peace... no point bashing each other up over a little misunderstanding.
WOW... Good for you.

Age is not a problem at all. 25 is not really that old anyway... if everything goes well you'll grad by early 30s.

There used to be a 36 year old engineer in IMU before... M1/01 batch I think. Never seen him before but heard news about him. Over here in my batch there's hell lots of post grads who are already in their 30s. So no worries there.

Just finished exams last week... Stuffed OSCE again. Damn.
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lol, we got OSPE here at AIMST. I guess diff has diff practical exam?
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wat's dat? OSCE, OCPE? Sounds very pro
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hello guys, need suggestions from ya.

if money is not a problem and europe, USA, Australia is one of my migration destination [and to pursue postgraduate specialist ] after having a medical degree, where can i pursue my medical course?

russian degree is not recognised at most of the places....
how about Penang Medical College with ireland degree?
IMU twinning?

enlighten me plzz

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hello guys, need suggestions from ya.

if money is not a problem and europe, USA, Australia is one of my migration destination [and to pursue postgraduate specialist ] after having a medical degree, where can i pursue my medical course?

russian degree is not recognised at most of the places....
how about Penang Medical College with ireland degree?
IMU twinning?

enlighten me plzz
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what do you mean by that?
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 7 2007, 05:57 PM)
hello guys, need suggestions from ya.

if money is not a problem and europe, USA, Australia is one of my migration destination [and to pursue postgraduate specialist ] after having a medical degree, where can i pursue my medical course?

russian degree is not recognised at most of the places....
how about Penang Medical College with ireland degree?
IMU twinning?

enlighten me plzz
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wao, if $ is not a prob, den u realli haf the potential 2 do dat.
i think the best way is go IMU, study hard, and twin to Jefferson o any Canadian Uni. Then move 2 US n get into their residency (specialist). US is realli the country wif least discrimination against foriegners (if not S'pore).


Added on December 7, 2007, 6:43 pmrealli, it's the best way (if u haf the $),even if compared 2 Oxbridge/Melbourne, cos both UK n Aus r havin a system 2 protect their own people.

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what do you mean by that?
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i mean i am going to migrate there.


Added on December 7, 2007, 8:26 pm
QUOTE(wgy589 @ Dec 7 2007, 06:41 PM)
wao, if $ is not a prob, den u realli haf the potential 2 do dat.
i think the best way is go IMU, study hard, and twin to Jefferson o any Canadian Uni. Then move 2 US n get into their residency (specialist). US is realli the country wif least discrimination against foriegners (if not S'pore).


Added on December 7, 2007, 6:43 pmrealli, it's the best way (if u haf the $),even if compared 2 Oxbridge/Melbourne, cos both UK n Aus r havin a system 2 protect their own people.
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that means singapore and USA is my best option?
hmmm indeed singapore loves potential chinese...and no discrimination

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if migration is the intention, then go directly to the intended country and study there, if money is no object.......that would be ideal........

however, direct entry into med schools in some countries can be very difficult, due to foreigner restrictions or entry requirements.........

so a backdoor way is via imu......

whether you will be allowed to stay back and work depends on the policy of the country at that time.........this can change with time in some countries...........

generally, the us has the most favourable policies towards foreigners working, but is very restrictive in admitting foreign students......but the way around that is, you can train in any country, and pass at least the umsle step 2 to qualify to be registered to work there........
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i thought Jedi mentioned he earned a medical degree already.... im confused here.... sleep.gif
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i thought Jedi mentioned he earned a medical degree already.... im confused here.... sleep.gif
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no i have not. it is a case of if's. I am still considering all my options available to me
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 8 2007, 04:32 PM)
no i have not. it is a case of if's. I am still considering all my options available to me
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if money is not a problem and europe, USA, Australia is one of my migration destination [and to pursue postgraduate specialist ] after having a medical degree, where can i pursue my medical course?
well, its rather the other way round. for medicine course, it really depends which uni will choose. After my SAM, i applied for Adelaide, UNSW, UWA, Melbourne, Bond Uni, NUS, and lastly IMU. And only IMU accept me -____- though i fulfill all the requirements.
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well, its rather the other way round. for medicine course, it really depends which uni will choose. After my SAM, i applied for Adelaide, UNSW, UWA, Melbourne, Bond Uni, NUS, and lastly IMU. And only IMU accept me -____- though i fulfill all the requirements.
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that is exactly what i have been trying to tell everyone, with limited success.....in any other course, you choose where you wanna go................but for medicine (and dentistry) the med schools will choose you, and you go where ever you are chosen.....if you get chosen.....

*caveat*: does not apply to non-reputable med schools where ability to pay overrides any other criteria in the selection process.......

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you still in IMU? what question did you get for your osce?
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No lah hehe... already finished my pre-clinicals in IMU more than a year ago.
OSCEs are everywhere, in every medical school...

Woot !! Summer holidays now... yet raining everyday in Msia sad.gif

QUOTE(wgy589 @ Dec 7 2007, 04:38 PM)
wat's dat? OSCE, OCPE? Sounds very pro
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ocpe and osce is just one of the exam in med school....wait till u join the journey of no return , then only u'll know..... hee....

from my point of u.....(being a med student for 4+ years in local uni), u can go for IMU if ur parents r rich...*_*. i would not reco u to go russia for med degree..... u would have a hard time searching for postgrad course later.....and a hard time for u to struggle in medical life as lots of doctors or specialists actually look down on russian grads... and u would end up being tortured by them all the way( that's what i usually see in my hospital). anyway, good luck!!!

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Objective Structure Practical Examination (O S P E). Haha. Go google around if you wanna noe. =] Man, there gonna be lots more exams and CA coming soon. Hoping to finish my pre-clinical years soon and get into hospital attachments. X]
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so, OSPE/OSCE is part of pre-clinical izzit?
if so, it's not in my skol

Oppps, actualli i was havin CA (just over), so didn't bother 2 google it

wow, csrulez can't wait 2 get into clinical years. relak la, the rest of ur life probably end up in clinicals.
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hehe.. osce/ospe's are one of the most fun exams around!
can't remember any exam when everyone will be grinning at each other like idiots at the end.. tongue.gif

my favourite is still long case... you really need to talk yourself out of hell to save yourself.. tongue.gif
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can anyone here help me???!!! pls i need all the experienced medic students to guide me! i planned to go to IMU, cos it's damn good n damn near to my place, BUT i know it's difficult cos it requires a very high entry requirements + interview...

my question is, which type of pre-u is good for medic? i'd love to take A-levels but it's a farking 1 1/2 years.. so damn long time! so i'm confused between ausmat or A-levels or even canadian pre-u!

okay, so about the pre-u thingy, i know i need to take the sciences subjects... as usual they'll offer chem + bio + phy in the subjects for pre-u, my question is, can i take only chem + bio? and replace phy with some other subjects like psychology? will it affect my entry to IMU? i'm okay with physics except the farking dull n boring electronics!!! those signs and functions will make me puke..
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QUOTE(Sharvyn @ Dec 9 2007, 10:47 AM)
ocpe and osce is just one of the exam in med school....wait till u join the journey of no return , then only u'll know..... hee....

from my point of u.....(being a med student for 4+ years in local uni), u can go for IMU if ur parents r rich...*_*. i would not reco u to go russia for med degree..... u would have a hard time searching for postgrad course later.....and a hard time for u to struggle in medical life as lots of doctors or specialists actually look down on russian grads... and u would end up being tortured by them all the way( that's what i usually see in my hospital).  anyway, good luck!!!
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so that means even if u study 5 year IMU locally [MBBS] u will still be like higher ranking and more regarded than russian grads?
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y not just email them leh? i'm sure they 'll give u the best ans
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QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 10 2007, 02:15 AM)
can anyone here help me???!!! pls i need all the experienced medic students to guide me! i planned to go to IMU, cos it's damn good n damn near to my place, BUT i know it's difficult cos it requires a very high entry requirements + interview...

my question is, which type of pre-u is good for medic? i'd love to take A-levels but it's a farking 1 1/2 years.. so damn long time! so i'm confused between ausmat or A-levels or even canadian pre-u!

okay, so about the pre-u thingy, i know i need to take the sciences subjects... as usual they'll offer chem + bio + phy in the subjects for pre-u, my question is, can i take only chem + bio? and replace phy with some other subjects like psychology? will it affect my entry to IMU? i'm okay with physics except the farking dull n boring electronics!!! those signs and functions will make me puke..
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same here...this SPM trial i have worst marks for physics..63 and got a b3..my worst subject shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Dec 9 2007, 02:20 PM)
hehe.. osce/ospe's are one of the most fun exams around!
can't remember any exam when everyone will be grinning at each other like idiots at the end.. tongue.gif

my favourite is still long case... you really need to talk yourself out of hell to save yourself.. tongue.gif
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Yuck... OSCE is YUCK tongue.gif everyone is grinning like idiots because we were so dumbfounded like idiots during exams hehe

Long case... I'm so going to die.

OSPE is fun though whistling.gif

QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 10 2007, 02:15 AM)
can anyone here help me???!!! pls i need all the experienced medic students to guide me! i planned to go to IMU, cos it's damn good n damn near to my place, BUT i know it's difficult cos it requires a very high entry requirements + interview...

my question is, which type of pre-u is good for medic? i'd love to take A-levels but it's a farking 1 1/2 years.. so damn long time! so i'm confused between ausmat or A-levels or even canadian pre-u!

okay, so about the pre-u thingy, i know i need to take the sciences subjects... as usual they'll offer chem + bio + phy in the subjects for pre-u, my question is, can i take only chem + bio? and replace phy with some other subjects like psychology? will it affect my entry to IMU? i'm okay with physics except the farking dull n boring electronics!!! those signs and functions will make me puke..
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Email IMU or call them... How can we vouch for anything we say? We're not representatives of the admin anyway.

Then again, I didn't take Bio in my preUs... physics is much more fun. Bio = boring memorising... Physics... OH YEAH.
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Does medical stuff difficult?
in my knowledge i only knew a few medical course.
Biomedical Engineer,Phamarcy,Doctor(include Dentist),Nutritionist.
Anyother considered Pro course?
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em... depends on how u look at it...
student from medical schools would say that medical courses are MD/MBBS...
might extend to dentistry too...

at my campus, there are 3 schools...
School of Medical Sciences (MD)
School of Dentistry
School of Health Sciences (Biomed, Dietetic, Nursing, Radiology)
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Dec 10 2007, 01:06 PM)
Does medical stuff difficult?
in my knowledge i only knew a few medical course.
Biomedical Engineer,Phamarcy,Doctor(include Dentist),Nutritionist.
Anyother considered Pro course?
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you need serious work on your english.........

there is only ONE 'medical course', that is Medicine, with awards usually either MBBS, MBChB, or MD depending on which part of the world.......

the rest are NOT 'medical course', but can be loosely classified as health sciences...........

and what on earth is 'pro course'??
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lol. I think he means professional courses. And yeah, theres only one medical course which is Medicine, other fields related to healthcare are often regarded as Health Sciences.

Like my school we have a Faculty of Medical and Health Sciences. Its a faculty made up of the School of Medicine which offers MBBS , School of Dentistry [BDS], and School of Pharmacy [BPharm]. =]

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my skol is quite weird though, wif pharmacy under faculty of science, den skol of medicine n faculty of dentustry r separate.
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Dec 10 2007, 05:38 PM)
my skol is quite weird though, wif pharmacy under faculty of science, den skol of medicine n faculty of dentustry r separate.
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So is your English, may i add.

To be honest, does it matter which faculty/school is in under?
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Hello guys.. I'm really really interested in doing medic. I'd just finished Monash University Foundation Year(MUFY).

My first choice of university is Monash. However, I did not pass the MBBS interview. I'd sent an appeal letter to the uni and they said they will reply me after considering my final results.

When I got back my results, my results was like this:
Physic - 81
Biology - 90
Math - 92
Chemistry - 85
English - 81

The minimum requirement for the university is 360 marks (total of top 4 subjects + 10% of fifth subject).
And i got 357 marks.
I doubt appeal letters are going to save me.
All i can do now is cross my fingers and hope they will take me. Come on, I'm taking their foundation course!! xP
Okay i know i'm dreaming.


By the way, I also applied for IMU (PMS).
And this morning when I received the conditional offer letter, I was devastated when the minimum grade on the letter was 91% aggregate, instead of 80% like what they have stated on the course booklet thingy(my average for top 4 subjects are 87.25).

But seconds ago my friend told me that, for MUFY, IMU calculates the aggregate marks like this(quite different from the way Monash calculates it):
(total of top 4 subjects divide by 4) + (10% of fifth subject)

Which means, instead of 87, my aggregate for IMU will be 95.

So, my question is, can anybody confirm about the above information? The way IMU calculates my aggregate i mean.

I'm planning to call IMU to confirm this, but my dad said the line will only be open on monday, during office hours.
I'm soooooooooo nervous and I don't think I can sleep well before I know the answer.




And if, IF, "dai gat lai si" I cant get into IMU, at this kind of time, which university can i consider? (well.. with results like mine.. sigh.. =/ .. I wish I'd studied harder..)
I think application for AIMST is closed already.
How about Manipal? The closing date is on the end of february 2008 right?
Does Manipal require an interview also? (have to travel all the way from kl to melaka, if an interview is required =.='')

Thank you for your time.. I really appreciate it xD!!
Thanks a lot for your help.. I hope my the way I explain things was understandable..
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lol. I'm from AIMST, admission Jan 2008. The next intake after Jan 2008 will be September 2008. Anyway i think you can still apply for Manipal. The deadline for the March 2008 intake will be end of January 2008. And btw, i think your result is quite good. I'd highly recommend you to put your first choice as IMU still cause of their fame. Monash is abit tough to enter from what i've heard. AIMST comparable with IMU but not so well known to the community yet cause our 1st batch has just graduated while Manipal is not bad if you're willing to study in India for the first 2 years. And yes, they require an interview but i heard it's not tough. I've had 3 frens from AIMST foundation who's currently doing their first year in Manipal India. Besides these few school, you can opt for PMC or RMCP too. Just my humble opinions. Hope it helps abit. =]

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QUOTE(noorep @ Mar 4 2007, 11:51 AM)
hi all medical students... pls help me to choose a suitable course...
my father force me to apply any course that related to medical...
i want to know what is the most medical course related to physic... only i know is radiography... are there any than radiography..??
i like physic subject very much... my father didn't give permission to take engineering because nowadays engineering is very hard to get job...
pls help me..
and, is it dentistry easier than medical??
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Hmmm..sad to hear that.You should make up your mind about your future.Study something which you have interest in or your good at. Same here, parents forced me to join med school, i suffered because it was not something i had in my mind at all. I was stressed up and mood swings and i was not so happy cause i had to be with my books most of the time.. After completing my 3rd year,i stopped. I was very bold to my parents. at the same time i suddenly had vasovagal syncope.i used to faint in the OR. things went ugly cause i had to attend counseling sessions n ect. life sucked!. So i made up my mind and i told them off. full stop. hmmm...I'm planning to do psychology now smile.gif


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ooo, i didnt know this thread does exist...
im registering myself as a 4th year medical student of University Malaysia Sarawak (UNIMAS)..
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QUOTE(junyetwong @ Dec 15 2007, 08:30 PM)
Hello guys.. I'm really really interested in doing medic. I'd just finished Monash University Foundation Year(MUFY).

My first choice of university is Monash. However, I did not pass the MBBS interview. I'd sent an appeal letter to the uni and they said they will reply me after considering my final results.

When I got back my results, my results was like this:
Physic - 81
Biology - 90
Math - 92
Chemistry - 85
English - 81

The minimum requirement for the university is 360 marks (total of top 4 subjects + 10% of fifth subject).
And i got 357 marks.
I doubt appeal letters are going to save me.
All i can do now is cross my fingers and hope they will take me. Come on, I'm taking their foundation course!! xP
Okay i know i'm dreaming.
By the way, I also applied for IMU (PMS).
And this morning when I received the conditional offer letter, I was devastated when the minimum grade on the letter was 91% aggregate, instead of 80% like what they have stated on the course booklet thingy(my average for top 4 subjects are 87.25).

But seconds ago my friend told me that, for MUFY, IMU calculates the aggregate marks like this(quite different from the way Monash calculates it):
(total of top 4 subjects divide by 4) + (10% of fifth subject)

Which means, instead of 87, my aggregate for IMU will be 95.

So, my question is, can anybody confirm about the above information? The way IMU calculates my aggregate i mean.

I'm planning to call IMU to confirm this, but my dad said the line will only be open on monday, during office hours.
I'm soooooooooo nervous and I don't think I can sleep well before I know the answer.
And if, IF, "dai gat lai si" I cant get into IMU, at this kind of time, which university can i consider? (well.. with results like mine.. sigh.. =/ .. I wish I'd studied harder..)
I think application for AIMST is closed already.
How about Manipal? The closing date is on the end of february 2008 right?
Does Manipal require an interview also? (have to travel all the way from kl to melaka, if an interview is required =.='')

Thank you for your time.. I really appreciate it xD!!
Thanks a lot for your help..  I hope my the way I explain things was understandable..
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The funny thing about Monash is that they refused to take applicants from Trinity for the health sciences course. hmm.gif Oh well, at least Melbourne Uni took us in biggrin.gif.

Anyway, looking at your marks, it seems that you might find it difficult doing med in Australia (81 English and 85 chemistry). IMU will most probably reject you, so the best option is Manipal. One of my friends got into Manipal(he's from Trinity) with something like 88 average, so I guess you could too. Good luck!
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you are all very confused about the actual marks you get and the TER scores....you actual marks does NOT equal the ter score, the ter is a percentile score, ie you relative position amongst ALL the year 12 students in oz and other countries sitting for one of oz year 12 programmes......

that means, if you take a difficult subject, the paper was difficult and you get 60 marks....and that is the highest, your ter will be high in the 99's......

on the other hand, if it is an easy subject and paper, you get 95 marks, but many people got 100 and 99 marks, your ter may be 80 only........

mufy should have a system of converting the raw marks into a indicative ter score.....

as for the nominal ter 80 cut off for imu, that is too low, and except for the early years, the cut off should be above 90, it was about 94 last year, and lowered to 91 this year.....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2008, 12:36 PM)
you are all very confused about the actual marks you get and the TER scores....you actual marks does NOT equal the ter score, the ter is a percentile score, ie you relative position amongst ALL the year 12 students in oz and other countries sitting for one of oz year 12 programmes......

that means, if you take a difficult subject, the paper was difficult and you get 60 marks....and that is the highest, your ter will be high in the 99's......

on the other hand, if it is an easy subject and paper, you get 95 marks, but many people got 100 and 99 marks, your ter may be 80 only........

mufy should have a system of converting the raw marks into a indicative ter score.....

as for the nominal ter 80 cut off for imu, that is too low, and except for the early years, the cut off should be above 90, it was about 94 last year, and lowered to 91 this year.....
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I'm not sure if Monash uses TER but I know Trinity does not as it utilizes the average of your best 4 marks.
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india's kind of okay according to my friends over there. but of course you have to be smart to take care of your self so that you wont get ripped off by the people there. studies are good as far as i know. Hostels are not as nice as the ones here. lecturers are very knowledgeable.. no worries about that..

which uni you're interested in knowing about?
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i hope i can go into med next yr ^^ having my foundation at perth this yr ^.^
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I'm not sure if Monash uses TER but I know Trinity does not as it utilizes the average of your best 4 marks.
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all oz unis use the ter/enter/uai/op for entry purposes......they also accept many other matriculation system results, eg a levels, ib, uca, other uni foundations, etc, where there is an approximate equivalent ter, they are all listed in the respective prospectus....

year 12 students all get their results with the ter calculated.........

foundation students are a bit tricky, the conversion may not be accepted by other unis.......

for in-house foundation, like trinity to melbourne, they have their own internal arrangements...but if you want to apply to another uni, some sort of conversion into an approximate ter will be required......


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i hope i can go into med next yr ^^ having my foundation at perth this yr ^.^
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if you are hoping for direct entry into undergraduate medicine as an international student, it's going to be tough......many will eventually return to imu for the backdoor pathway.....

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I am actually interested in taking up Physiology Degree to qualify as an Exercise Physiologist. Does anyone know where could I get further information on that particular course. I am a art&design major, for some reason i decided to jump over.



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all i can say is...think 20x before choosing.

it is not as rosy as u might think..white lab coats, posh cars..

haha..exactly the opposite is what u'll get...slavery.

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QUOTE(wiwi @ Jan 21 2008, 07:07 PM)
all i can say is...think 20x before choosing.

it is not as rosy as u might think..white lab coats, posh cars..

haha..exactly the opposite is what u'll get...slavery.

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hi..
I am from Hong Kong..
Going to study at IMU in coming feb.
nice to meet all of you..
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wondering...which specialty needs ppl the most?
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hie guys...
I'm actually planning to study medicine too...and i'm facing some problems here so.. pls help me ya... haha..actually i'd like to know em...which uni is better? Comparing UCTI and AIMST...? i cant afford other uni cause they are very costly......=) ...thx ! hehe..


Added on February 9, 2008, 11:54 amhie csrulez..
em...u're now studying in AIMST is it? how's the study environment there? I think i just missed the first intake which is on January rite? so..i guess i'll have to wait for the second intake which is on April rite? Is it easier to get in if i take their Foundation ? =)

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ucti does not offer medicine.....

when you choose medicine, you do NOT choose the med school......you apply to all, and they will choose you.........if you get chosen........


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wondering...which specialty needs ppl the most?
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where?

growing countries (eg se asia): reproduction arena eg O&G, paediatrics,

aging countries (eg developed western word, japan): sunset arena eg cardiology, oncology, geriatrics etc........

best lifestyle in oz: probably GP..........

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Opps...sorry..i type wrongly..wat i meant was UCSI.. =p.. well,wat i found out about AIMST is that this uni actually offers foundation course...after obtaining my SPM results,i'm able to sign up for the foundation course...so i guess the course is only recognized by AIMST only wor.......i cant apply other medical schools right ?.... so how ?.. thx for replying !


Added on February 9, 2008, 3:46 pmhaha.. oh yea i have another question... em...well,for those who intend to study medicine...must all of them be smart, brilliant or intelligent ? cause i do know that studying medicine is the hardest course and many gave up halfway...i'm kinda worried...i'm scared i won;t be able to cope up with it....hmmm...=p... i admit i'm not that intelligent.. T.T... just normal wor.... sob*

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QUOTE(Renne^.^ @ Feb 9 2008, 11:47 AM)
hie guys...
I'm actually planning to study medicine too...and i'm facing some problems here so.. pls help me ya... haha..actually i'd like to know em...which uni is better? Comparing UCTI and AIMST...? i cant afford other uni cause they are very costly......=) ...thx ! hehe..


Added on February 9, 2008, 11:54 amhie csrulez..
em...u're now studying in AIMST is it? how's the study environment there? I think i just missed the first intake which is on January rite? so..i guess i'll have to wait for the second intake which is on April rite? Is it easier to get in if i take their Foundation ? =)
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Ahh... I am studying in AIMST. Foundation in Science, first intake. The study environment there is quite good. Just the second week there XD Peace and quiet. Yup, they give priority to their Foundation students.
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hey TS.. go update la the first post... list all medical student in LYN... later easy to get help when got assignment have some confusion...


anyway...

future dentist reporting in... can ka? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Stefanny @ Feb 9 2008, 04:04 PM)
Ahh... I am studying in AIMST. Foundation in Science, first intake. The study environment there is quite good. Just the second week there XD Peace and quiet. Yup, they give priority to their Foundation students.
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hie stefanny...so..em...i heard AIMST has got many indians studying there uh? wat's the ratio ah? just curious lar...and would like to know how many are there applying for medicine ? hehe.. thx for replying yo ~~~ =) anyway..i guess i missed the first intake...so i'd most probably go for the second intake lor... .... HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR !


Added on February 10, 2008, 12:36 pmStefanny...can u add me in MSN.. i've a couple of questions to ask you ler...can ma ? my email is k3s3r3nn3ccc@hotmail.com..
thanks !

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I think the ratio for my foundation intake is about 50 percent Chinese and 50 percent Indian. Then, for people interested to apply Medicine for my intake ( about 67 students ), all of them are interested in Medicine except for 15-20 people ( Dentistry and 1 for Biotech ). Ahhh... Happy Chinese New To You too. Sure, I'll add you.
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hey, is it normal for imu to call you guys for an interview the day before the interview? i sent my application last week, and i got a call for my interview today, requesting me to be there tomorrow?

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need to ask.

IMU dentistry recognised?
AIMST med is a full msia degree? no twinning?
I'm doing UWAFP in perth, can my cert be used to apply for AIMST or IMU? and I'm doing ESL here, do i still need muet and ielts?
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Errr... I don't know how to quote my previous post. but its on the 9th page..

Anyway, i got the offer IMU twinning programme for feb 2008 intake, and I accepted their offer as well as paid the fees for first semester..

But then, Monash sent me a letter last week and said that my appeal was succesful and they offered me MBBS feb 08 intake too..

Eventually I chose monash because its cheaper compared to IMU twinning programme which need to go overseas.. ^^V

Anybody in Monash doing medic? XD

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I was doing UWAFP last year.
and IMU do recognise UWAFP. As long as you achieve 85 or above, you will nearly get a place.
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QUOTE(junyetwong @ Feb 14 2008, 09:01 PM)
Errr... I don't know how to quote my previous post. but its on the 9th page..

Anyway, i got the offer IMU twinning programme for feb 2008 intake, and I accepted their offer as well as paid the fees for first semester..

But then, Monash sent me a letter last week and said that my appeal was succesful and they offered me MBBS feb 08 intake too..

Eventually I chose monash because its cheaper compared to IMU twinning programme which need to go overseas.. ^^V

Anybody in Monash doing medic? XD
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if cost is a consideration, why didn't you do the imu local programme? don't be fooled, monash mbbs is a msian qualification, not oz....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 14 2008, 11:12 PM)
if cost is a consideration, why didn't you do the imu local programme? don't be fooled, monash mbbs is a msian qualification, not oz....
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Quite true... unless you got an offer for MBBS in the Clayton campus which is Australian. Not many countries recognise Monash Malaysia compared to Monash Clayton/Aussie.
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Another medical student reporting in......going to melaka-manipal to study this coming march 2008 intake.....Anyone going there as well????? Hmm......hardly see any manipal student lurking around in the net.....I wonder why?????
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TS is from melaka manipal as well, if i'm not wrong
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 16 2008, 02:04 AM)
TS is from melaka manipal as well, if i'm not wrong
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QUOTE(manlokwok @ Feb 14 2008, 09:36 PM)
I was doing UWAFP last year.
and IMU do recognise UWAFP. As long as you achieve 85 or above, you will nearly get a place.
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oh? ^^ but 85 is hard >.< hopefully i can manage 80, or better, get into medic in aus.
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But as you know, doing medicine in UWA, you have to do UMAT or ISAT to enter med school, other than UWA, most of them require 85 average, so just try your best in the foundtion programme.
Remember, apply to all med schools, even IMU!!!!!! It can increase your chance to get in
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are you all referring to the TER system? If so, the cut off this feb08 imu intake is 91, and that is considered low, last year it was 94..........and if you don't expect 99 and above, don't bother applying to melbourne (academic now, the last undergraduate batch going in next week, and no intake 09 and 10, next batch graduate entry 2011), and unsw only considers those with 97 and above.......

uwa and monash needs isat (or umat for on shore students), and if you don't make the cut off there, you don't even get to the next stage, ie the interview.......

like i said, many will eventually return to msia, to one of the private med schools, particularly imu.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 16 2008, 08:34 PM)
are you all referring to the TER system? If so, the cut off this feb08 imu intake is 91, and that is considered low, last year it was 94..........and if you don't expect 99 and above, don't bother applying to melbourne (academic now, the last undergraduate batch going in next week, and no intake 09 and 10, next batch graduate entry 2011), and unsw only considers those with 97 and above.......

uwa and monash needs isat (or umat for on shore students), and if you don't make the cut off there, you don't even get to the next stage, ie the interview.......

like i said, many will eventually return to msia, to one of the private med schools, particularly imu.......
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um.... where else no need ISAT to go into med/ den in aus?
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um.... where else no need ISAT to go into med/ den in aus?
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if you are on shore doing year 12, i think you will need to do umat like the aussies......

adelaide.....no isat but pqa, similar test......few places (16)

unsw.....min ter97 to consider, 50 places, but about 30 allocated to their own foundation students.....

utas.......personal statement.......few places only.......(20)

newcastle.........do not take international students directly......but there are some places available through taylor's placement centre.........

remember also you are competing with the rest of the world........including china, india, korea, taiwan, thailand, spore, phillipines, indonesia, south africa, etc...........

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for all those people fancies about grey's anatomy dreams or house...
life is not easy being a doctor...
stay away unless you're ready to take the path...
lots of sacrifice to made...
lots of time to spend...
and lots to learn..
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being doctors aint cool. if you're doing it so people can look up to you... don't be stupid.


being doctor requires compassion. lifetime dedication, selflessness, sacrifice. your time, your sleeping time, your weekend, your life, your passion, and most probably your bloody relationship.

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QUOTE(melfariza @ Feb 17 2008, 01:56 PM)
being doctors aint cool. if you're doing it so people can look up to you... don't be stupid.
being doctor requires compassion. lifetime dedication, selflessness, sacrifice. your time, your sleeping time, your weekend, your life, your passion, and most probably your bloody relationship.
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well said........and may i add, to avoid the last.......a VERY understanding spouse......preferably not another doctor!!
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ah thanks limeuu, so UNSW and utas no need to take any test? um, yeah i know i'm competing with internationals, btw i'm on foundation not yr 12. ^^
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:57 PM)
ah thanks limeuu, so UNSW and utas no need to take any test? um, yeah i know i'm competing with internationals, btw i'm on foundation not yr 12. ^^
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I am pretty sure that you need to do UMAT if you want to study at UNSW, and you are currently doing UWA foundation. The only one that you dont need to do test is for Uni of Tasmania and IMU... i am very sure about this.

Onshore students have to take tests as follow.
ISAT for
1. Monash Uni
2. Uni of Western Sydney ( with IELTS 7)
3. Uni of WA ( gonna change this year)
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1. Uni of Adelaide
UMAT(the most difficult uni)
1. UNSW
2. Bond Uni


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QUOTE(melfariza @ Feb 17 2008, 01:56 PM)
being doctors aint cool. if you're doing it so people can look up to you... don't be stupid.
being doctor requires compassion. lifetime dedication, selflessness, sacrifice. your time, your sleeping time, your weekend, your life, your passion, and most probably your bloody relationship.
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haha, dun b so pessimistic la, wen u enjoy ur work, it doesn't matter how long ur workin hour is.

n people really look up 2 u wat, n sure u'll feel gud right.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:57 PM)
ah thanks limeuu, so UNSW and utas no need to take any test? um, yeah i know i'm competing with internationals, btw i'm on foundation not yr 12. ^^
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if you are onshore, unsw requires you to do the umat.......irrespective of citizen status........minimum cut off for consideration is 97, and minimum cutoff for shortlisting for interview is 98........which basically means, if you are not on target at higher than 98, don't waste you money applying.......there is a fee........
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for international students, UMAT is not needed to apply for UNSW; but ISAT is needed for UTAS..its the new rule..

UNSW just decreased their quota to 40 i think..so its harder to get in..they start interviewing candidates from september onwards..up till january..CV, interview and TER are all very important in getting an early offer from UNSW..

UTAS..they only take in 20 international students..they give out conditional offers around october..

hope this helps!
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QUOTE(pangping1510 @ Feb 17 2008, 06:19 PM)
for international students, UMAT is not needed to apply for UNSW; but ISAT is needed for UTAS..its the new rule..

UNSW just decreased their quota to 40 i think..so its harder to get in..they start interviewing candidates from september onwards..up till january..CV, interview and TER are all very important in getting an early offer from UNSW..

UTAS..they only take in 20 international students..they give out conditional offers around october..

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if you are on-shore, you do.........you applied from taylors, so you did not need to.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 17 2008, 06:28 PM)
if you are on-shore, you do.........you applied from taylors, so you did not need to.........
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hmm..my malaysian friends from other colleges dont need to as well.. hmm.gif

btw, need advice here..planning to get a clinical examination book..which is better between these 2: epstein or talley/oconnors?
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hi guys...second sem from imu...
life is tough....a lot to remember..
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hmm..my malaysian friends from other colleges dont need to as well.. hmm.gif

btw, need advice here..planning to get a clinical examination book..which is better between these 2: epstein or talley/oconnors?
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the term 'on shore' means physically present on oz soil..........

if you do your pre-u from outside oz continent, then you don't need to lah........and taylors msia, sunway, inti etc are 'off shore'...........
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QUOTE(pangping1510 @ Feb 17 2008, 07:54 PM)
btw, need advice here..planning to get a clinical examination book..which is better between these 2: epstein or talley/oconnors?
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most of my coursemates are using talley/o'connor... (me included).. it's a really handy book..
older lectureres might prefer Hutchkinsons Clinical Methods.. a much older book (but i've seen an updated version in the market)

no clue about epstein though..



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haha, dun b so pessimistic la, wen u enjoy ur work, it doesn't matter how long ur workin hour is.

n people really look up 2 u wat, n sure u'll feel gud right.
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nah, with the commercialization of our healthcare system, respect & adulation for doctors won't be the same as it was back then..
nowadays patients come in, expect docs to cure their symptoms, but refuse further management..
their stance: "i pay for you to get rid of my symptom; symptoms gone, thanks & bye!"
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QUOTE(aerikh @ Feb 18 2008, 10:11 AM)
most of my coursemates are using talley/o'connor... (me included).. it's a really handy book..
older lectureres might prefer Hutchkinsons Clinical Methods.. a much older book (but i've seen an updated version in the market)

no clue about epstein though..
nah, with the commercialization of our healthcare system, respect & adulation for doctors won't be the same as it was back then..
nowadays patients come in, expect docs to cure their symptoms, but refuse further management..
their stance: "i pay for you to get rid of my symptom; symptoms gone, thanks & bye!"
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O..the old cucrriculum recommends talley, the new curriculum recommends epstein..i went to kamal..talley is out of stock..the guy recommmended me epstein..but since talley is out of stock, it should be a better book right.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(senbonzakura @ Feb 17 2008, 08:13 PM)
hi guys...second sem from imu...
life is tough....a lot to remember..
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Enjoy IMU while it lasts... it's good fun. Much more relaxing then clinicals where you're literally left to die on your own.

Heard that the curiculum has changed, and you guys get final exams for every semester instead of at Sem 1, 3, and 5.

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O..the old cucrriculum recommends talley, the new curriculum recommends epstein..i went to kamal..talley is out of stock..the guy recommmended me epstein..but since talley is out of stock, it should be a better book right.. tongue.gif
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Talley's are pretty much the recommended book esp in Australian unis since it's written by an Aussie dude. Good reading, but don't expect to memorise every thing coz it's so damn a lot. MacCleod's another book recommended in IMU, at least when I was still there, but the old version is quite sucky... the new one seems good though as it has a lot of improvements.

I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.

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oh? ^^ but 85 is hard >.< hopefully i can manage 80, or better, get into medic in aus.
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http://www.medicine.unimelb.edu.au/future/ugradselect.html

This is a rough guide of what to expect for aussie unis.
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there are 7 unis that offer undergrad med in aus..

melbourne: dont expect to get in unless you have ter 99.75 and above

unsw: a good cv will offer you an early round interview, ter should be 98 and above for international students (the quota is only 40!), and a good interview

utas: a good essay will offer you a conditional offer already (quota of 20 for international students), ter the higher the better! isat is needed.

monash: i dont know why i was not allowed to apply to monash aus when i was in taylors >.<

adelaide: pqa test is important!

uwa: high isat score..at least 80 plus..

another uni i forgot lol..

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newcastle.........and a couple of lesser known/new ones.......

bond and jcu
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aiks..yah newcastle..

from malaysia, they only take in abt 20-30 students? 10 are selected from taylors and the remaining are reserved for mara students..

as for the 10..interview is very very important..from what i see, they like kids who can speak english well (especially when english is the first language at home)..
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 19 2008, 07:27 PM)
newcastle.........and a couple of lesser known/new ones.......

bond and jcu
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I think these new universities are probably the only way one can get into a MBBS program through the undergrad pathway. Even Griffith is Post-grad!
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FYI, monash malaysia is MBBS is not recognised in Malaysia yet. Even in australia.

AFAIK, if you applied for any overseas uni, then you failed and you try to get in through IMU PMS, they will reject your application when you are going there. Lets say you apply Adelaide direct, then you failed, they will reject your admission even when you try to go in through IMU. So you are taking a gamble. IMU local degree is recognised in the US alongside UKM and UM.
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AIMST University's MBBS just got recognised by MMC officially on the 13th of Jan. =))

Coming up next shall me monash and cyberjaya med uni.
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QUOTE(seanlimys @ Feb 20 2008, 12:21 PM)
FYI, monash malaysia is MBBS is not recognised in Malaysia yet. Even in australia.

AFAIK, if you applied for any overseas uni, then you failed and you try to get in through IMU PMS, they will reject your application when you are going there. Lets say you apply Adelaide direct, then you failed, they will reject your admission even when you try to go in through IMU. So you are taking a gamble. IMU local degree is recognised in the US alongside UKM and UM.
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monash msia mbbs is recognised by AMC already.........

if you are a citizen or pr of the partner country, you CANNOT twin to that country......

however, it is not stated that they will automatically reject you if you have applied directly to that uni before and turned down......

imu is NOT recognised in the us, neither is ukm or mu........no foreign degree out of the north american continent is recognised, all foreign doctors (including british/european) needs to pass the umsle to get registered and work...........
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yes u r right, but in California only UKM, UM, IMU graduates r allowed 2 practise there, provided they passed USMLE n got a residency, do correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 20 2008, 06:47 PM)
yes u r right, but in California only UKM, UM, IMU graduates r allowed 2 practise there, provided they passed USMLE n got a residency, do correct me if i'm wrong.
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Nope, you are wrong. Graduates from any medical schools listed in IMED can practice in any part of US provided that they have passed USMLE.

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Nope, you are wrong. Graduates from any medical schools listed in IMED can practice in any part of US provided that they have passed USMLE.
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dun worry if u r not from IMU, UM, UKM, but truth is the truth,

In california, onli IMU, UKM, UM graduates r recognised,
International Medical University
National University of Malaysia Faculty of Medicine
University of Malaya Faculty of Medicine

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html

Take note,
To date California is the only state out of 50 that requires the school to be on their list for Licensure, the rest of the states will consider any school that is on the WHO list and is not on an Unapproved list if the state has one.

So, my advice is 2 do some research 1st, b4 sayin "Nope, you are wrong",ok? And realli is that, some private medskols in M'sia will say their degree is recognised 2 practise in US, but that does not apply 2 California.

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Added on February 22, 2008, 6:58 pm

dun worry if u r not from IMU, UM, UKM, but truth is the truth,

In california, onli IMU, UKM, UM graduates r recognised,
International Medical University
National University of Malaysia Faculty of Medicine
University of Malaya Faculty of Medicine

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html

Take note,
To date California is the only state out of 50 that requires the school to be on their list for Licensure, the rest of the states will consider any school that is on the WHO list and is not on an Unapproved list if the state has one.

So, my advice is 2 do some research 1st, b4 sayin "Nope, you are wrong",ok? And realli is that, some private medskols in M'sia will say their degree is recognised 2 practise in US, but that does not apply 2 California.
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Sorry for my mistake. That's the information i got from a specialist trained in US. He must have missed that part.
So if let's say i am from a school not recognised by the Board of California but have passed USMLE, i still cannot practice there??
That's really weird.

Btw, just to let you know, i am not worried at all, as i dun plan to practice in US. rolleyes.gif
Even if i do, there are still 49 states where i can go. biggrin.gif

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Well, i'm doing a full 5 year course here locall in Malaysia. Wonder when do i get the chance to travel out of this place, 2 yrs of hsemanship and 3 yrs of compulsory service sounds so darn long. No other alternatives?
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Well, i'm doing a full 5 year course here locall in Malaysia. Wonder when do i get the chance to travel out of this place, 2 yrs of hsemanship and 3 yrs of compulsory service sounds so darn long. No other alternatives?
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Dun worry, you can leave this country once you have completed your housemanship.
Btw, where you wanna go? Aus? Many of my friends are going there after graduate.
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THe seanlimys posting was me.

Please refer here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/435069/+160

It is stated (not only here but some other place which I cannot currently recall) that if you failed to enter that university, you cannot backdoor through IMU.

I am starting semester 1 this monday too. I may not be able to log in for the next few weeks as there could be no internet connection in the condo.
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i saw this IMS (internatioal medical school) offering MBBS by the MSU (a university in selangor?)

anyone knows about this??
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LOL, fist_Aileron..

i'm also 2 month to Pro3...
haven't really clicked into exam mode yet!
2 most important months of my life to determine whether i can achieve all i've dreamed of since i was a kid..
(LOL, that sounds dramatic)

all the best! (all the way from USM Health Campus, Kelantan)


em... i dun think we can leave after HO, cz until then, we still haven't obtained our Annual Practising Cert.. (do correct me if i'm mistaken)
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THe seanlimys posting was me.

Please refer here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/435069/+160

It is stated (not only here but some other place which I cannot currently recall) that if you failed to enter that university, you cannot backdoor through IMU.

I am starting semester 1 this monday too. I may not be able to log in for the next few weeks as there could be no internet connection in the condo.
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no where is it stated that for international students (ie not citizens or pr), you cannot twin to that country/pms if you have applied and was rejected before.......but you certainly cannot if you are a citizen/pr........even if you have NEVER applied nor was rejected before........just came from the imu open day.......

and internet access should be no problem once you are registered and assigned your user status within the imu complex......it's fully wifi covered....... rclxms.gif


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LOL, fist_Aileron..

i'm also 2 month to Pro3...
haven't really clicked into exam mode yet!
2 most important months of my life to determine whether i can achieve all i've dreamed of since i was a kid..
(LOL, that sounds dramatic)

all the best! (all the way from USM Health Campus, Kelantan)
em... i dun think we can leave after HO, cz until then, we still haven't obtained our Annual Practising Cert.. (do correct me if i'm mistaken)
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not your apc, but your certificate of good standing......mmc will not issue you that until you have finished you compulsory service........

and if you think you can use your aimst or usm mbbs and go anywhere in the world, think again.......find out which countries recognise the degrees first.........very few........

and no foreign country will allow you to work, without some sort of work or residency visa .........you will be surprise how hard it is to get one of these........especially if you are a doctor.........

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I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.
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not really though.... I make so many shortcuts nowadays and dun really go through the examinations like I did as a student anymore tongue.gif

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Hello,anyone can briefly state the path that i need to go through to be a doctor?

I have just finished my Spm and i need scholarship.
I have seen a few scholarships but none of them seem to have listed degree/diploma for medicine.

Thanks in advance.

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Hello,anyone can briefly state the path that i need to go through to be a doctor?

I have just finished my Spm and i need scholarship.
I have seen a few scholarships but none of them seem to have listed degree/diploma for medicine.

Thanks in advance.
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1. be one of the top students in your school, at least top 10%......otherwise don't bother.....

2. get at least 12A1 in spm and apply for jpa scholarship (others only for malays).....

3. failing which, try ipta, through matrik (easier) or stpm

4. find a long lost father or grandfather who can give you between rm1mil (1st world uni) to rm400k (the rest).......wink.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 25 2008, 12:47 PM)
1. be one of the top students in your school, at least top 10%......otherwise don't bother.....

2. get at least 12A1 in spm and apply for jpa scholarship (others only for malays).....

3. failing which, try ipta, through matrik (easier) or stpm

4. find a long lost father or grandfather who can give you between rm1mil (1st world uni) to rm400k (the rest).......wink.gif
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Thanks,but the information seems to be rather superficial.

Would you mind providing me a more specific information like the courses that i should enrol for?
I would be delighted if you can clarify everything about medicine.

If my result is not good as expected,i will have no choice but to choose other courses because i'm afraid my parents are not affluent enough to pay all the fees required for me to become a doctor,that's why i need scholarship so badly and i sacrificed almost everything to make sure that my effort will finally pay off.

Being a doctor to save people' life is always my passion and dream.And recently my dream has been ruffled with financial problem(i have got to be realistic),but i won't give up at the moment.


Thanks again thumbup.gif


Some off-question.
Must i get at least 12A1 to apply for jpa scholarship?
I have got international certificate like CAE (Certificate in Advanced English) and i possess a good speaking skill.
If i do not excel in Spm examination with maximum 12A1 as expected,will I still have chance of being awarded JPA scholarship?

Again,thanks for enlightening me.

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anyone with any results can apply......whether they short list you is a different matter.......from last year, if you get straight As they will short list for interview, but the majority given medicine scholarships had at least 11A1.......

if you are really financially strapped but determined to do medicine, your best option is do matrik or stpm and go ipta.....that is also a major 'scholarship' , you pay something like 10% of the real cost.....
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anyone with any results can apply......whether they short list you is a different matter.......from last year, if you get straight As they will short list for interview, but the majority given medicine scholarships had at least 11A1.......

if you are really financially strapped but determined to do medicine, your best option is do matrik or stpm and go ipta.....that is also a major 'scholarship' , you pay something like 10% of the real cost.....
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alright,thanks for your explanation.Anything is yet to be decided before the revelation of spm result.

I have seen some websites state that it usually takes at least 11 years to be a doctor(3 years being a practitioner),so if i were to take medicine degree in ipta,will it take longer to complete that?

And can you give me some details about being a surgeon?


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alright,thanks for your explanation.Anything is yet to be decided before the revelation of spm result.

I have seen some websites state that it usually takes at least 11 years to be a doctor(3 years being a practitioner),so if i were to take medicine degree in ipta,will it take longer to complete that?

And can you give me some details about being a surgeon?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 25 2008, 12:44 AM)
no where is it stated that for international students (ie not citizens or pr), you cannot twin to that country/pms if you have applied and was rejected before.......but you certainly cannot if you are a citizen/pr........even if you have NEVER applied nor was rejected before........just came from the imu open day.......

and internet access should be no problem once you are registered and assigned your user status within the imu complex......it's fully wifi covered....... rclxms.gif


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not your apc, but your certificate of good standing......mmc will not issue you that until you have finished you compulsory service........

and if you think you can use your aimst or usm mbbs and go anywhere in the world, think again.......find out which countries recognise the degrees first.........very few........

and no foreign country will allow you to work, without some sort of work or residency visa .........you will be surprise how hard it is to get one of these........especially if you are a doctor.........
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So can we do our specialist training program overseas before we finish the compulsory service?
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getting more and more difficult nowadays.......

first your degree must be recognised by the registration authority there......or you will need to sit for another exam..........

then you need to find a training job, which in some places, is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get......

then you need a work permit from immigration.........
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getting more and more difficult nowadays.......

first your degree must be recognised by the registration authority there......or you will need to sit for another exam..........

then you need to find a training job, which in some places, is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get......

then you need a work permit from immigration.........
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limeuu, u r unimelb right? when is skool start for medical? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 26 2008, 09:02 AM)
getting more and more difficult nowadays.......

first your degree must be recognised by the registration authority there......or you will need to sit for another exam..........

then you need to find a training job, which in some places, is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get......

then you need a work permit from immigration.........
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Damn, should have gone to Ireland back then when i was being offered a place in Royal College of Surgeon in Ireland. doh.gif
But the tuition fee and cost of living is close to RM1 mil cry.gif

Btw, is local specialist training good? I heard there's quota for bumis for popular subjects like cardiology and etc shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 25 2008, 07:05 PM)
anyone with any results can apply......whether they short list you is a different matter.......from last year, if you get straight As they will short list for interview, but the majority given medicine scholarships had at least 11A1.......

if you are really financially strapped but determined to do medicine, your best option is do matrik or stpm and go ipta.....that is also a major 'scholarship' , you pay something like 10% of the real cost.....
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this is very true! at least 11A1s and some A2s..getting into matriks is a very good option too..cuz its easier to get 4.0 and med in ipta..
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Damn, should have gone to Ireland back then when i was being offered a place in Royal College of Surgeon in Ireland.  doh.gif
But the tuition fee and cost of living is close to RM1 mil  cry.gif

Btw, is local specialist training good? I heard there's quota for bumis for popular subjects like cardiology and etc  shakehead.gif
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i tink if u graduate from RCSI, it's almost impossible 2 get a specialist traning there, as long as u r not EU. It's just that u can work there 4 a few years, earning in euro, dat's it.

hmm, i tink whether local residency is gud realli depends on where u wanna work, if u just 1 2 stay in Msia, den it's ok, but 4 overseas, hmm, u shld roughly know dy right,,,

imo, NEP is everywhere, so always b pessimistic, dun expect 2 get into residency immediately after 5 years post graduation, den prospect is quite gud 4 u, since u r med student, u can basically ask arnd the locally trained specialists, n they'll give u the exact ans.

but imo, y dun u just take USMLE, den go US, the route is not easy, but at least it's better den stayin in bolehland, being bullied by NEP. Btw, r u from UM/UKM? if so, u might consider Spore den, ther r increasin no of residencies every year.
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post spm

pre u 1-2 yr
medicine 5-6 yr
graduate and start work/start post grad training
housemanship 1-2 yr
msian in msia compulsory service 3 yr
surgical training 6 years min after graduation. average 8-10 yrs.

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if choose other specialties, to become consultant it takes almost 8-10 years ++ including internship for Aus, NZ....
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housemanship 2 yrs
if choose other specialties, to become consultant it takes almost 8-10 years ++ including internship for Aus, NZ....
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the postgraduate pathway varies from country to country.....i am referring to the msian system of masters programmes.........

to get a training post in oz and nz is almost impossible because it is a 'closed' system (ie you CANNOT sit for postgraduate exams unless you are in a recognised training position, no matter how clever you are).........eg, a recent vacancy in adelaide for orthopaedics attracted 40 applications........
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local uni 5yrs FEES+BOARDING < RM15000
that's how heavily subsidised it is..
10% of the cost of KURSK / Moscow...
perhaps 1% of UK?


well, most postgrad courses are about 4 years..
& there is special "leave" for Medical Officers who want to further studies (not sure if includes both local & abroad).. only 2 years compulsory service..
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i tink if u graduate from RCSI, it's almost impossible 2 get a specialist traning there, as long as u r not EU. It's just that u can work there 4 a few years, earning in euro, dat's it.

hmm, i tink whether local residency is gud realli depends on where u wanna work, if u just 1 2 stay in Msia, den it's ok, but 4 overseas, hmm, u shld roughly know dy right,,,

imo, NEP is everywhere, so always b pessimistic, dun expect 2 get into residency immediately after 5 years post graduation, den prospect is quite gud 4 u, since u r med student, u can basically ask arnd the locally trained specialists, n they'll give u the exact ans.

but imo, y dun u just take USMLE, den go US, the route is not easy, but at least it's better den stayin in bolehland, being bullied by NEP. Btw, r u from UM/UKM? if so, u might consider Spore den, ther r increasin no of residencies every year.
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Sorry, but i dun seem to understand the bold part. Care to elaborate more?
Btw, i am not from UKM or UM. It takes a genius for non bumis to enter those schools.
I am from Melaka-Manipal, which was the cheapest local school recognized by Malaysia 4 years ago. On loan some more. cry.gif

I heard that even if the degree is not from colleges recognized by Singapore, one can still practice in Singapore provided that he/she has passed USMLE or PLAB. Is this true?

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Sorry, but i dun seem to understand the bold part. Care to elaborate more?
Btw, i am not from UKM or UM. It takes a genius for non bumis to enter those schools.
I am from Melaka-Manipal, which was the cheapest local school recognized by Malaysia 4 years ago. On loan some more.  cry.gif

I heard that even if the degree is not from colleges recognized by Singapore, one can still practice in Singapore provided that he/she has passed USMLE or PLAB. Is this true?
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yup, i agree wif u, it's very hard 2 get into UKM/UM as a non Bumi. But realli i tink it doesn't make much diff btw UM/UKM and Manipal, in fact, Manipal is more well known globally.

i heard it's very hard 4 a non bumi 2 get into residency in msia, dun expect 2 much from it, so dat u wun b 2 disappointed.

unless it things have changed, i dun tink USMLE/PLAB is accepted in spore.

hmm, if i'm not mistaken, u nid certain amount of years of experience 2 get temporary registration wif spore medical council, so i dun tink it's worthy 2 go there, but haf u ever considered my suggestion 2 sit 4 usmle, if u r interested in internal medicine, den it's quite easy 2 get a residency post there (surgical traineeship is very rare 4 foreign graduates)
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yup, i agree wif u, it's very hard 2 get into UKM/UM as a non Bumi. But realli i tink it doesn't make much diff btw UM/UKM and Manipal, in fact, Manipal is more well known globally.

i heard it's very hard 4 a non bumi 2 get into residency in msia, dun expect 2 much from it, so dat u wun b 2 disappointed.

unless it things have changed, i dun tink USMLE/PLAB is accepted in spore.

hmm, if i'm not mistaken, u nid certain amount of years of experience 2 get temporary registration wif spore medical council, so i dun tink it's worthy 2 go there, but haf u ever considered my suggestion 2 sit 4 usmle, if u r interested in internal medicine, den it's quite easy 2 get a residency post there (surgical traineeship is very rare 4 foreign graduates)
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Alright thanks for the info. I think i should be focusing on my Final MBBS Exam which is going to be held 1 year from now instead of thinking something so far biggrin.gif
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I'm confused about the differences between medical studies in US and UK.

US: Pre-medical (2/3 years)
Degree in Medical Sch (4 years)
Internship (1 year)
Residency (3-7 years)
Total: (10-15 years)



UK:
Medical School (5 years)
Foundation programme (2 years)
Specialty training (7 years)
Total: (14 years)



Pls correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks!

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us 'premed' is actually a basic 1st degree, which is 4 years. but they finish high school by 17, so graduate with a basic degree by 21, and graduate from med school by 25....

same in uk, finish a levels by 19, and graduate from med school by 24....

subsequent pathways is basically correct.......except basic residency (internal medicine=GP after vocational rotation in uk)is 4 years, unless you opt to subspecialise, where you do another 3 years........
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but according to sources frm wikipedia, US Pre-med takes only 2 years. Is it 2 years or 4 years? I'm so confused.


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Admission into medical school does not technically require completion of a previous degree, however applicants are usually required to complete at least 2-3 years of "pre-med" courses at the university level because in the US medical degrees are classified as Second entry degrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_educa...e_United_States


Another ques...is Cambridge A-Levels (Pre-Medical studies) equivalent to Pre-medical studies in US? [CAL is basically divided into Pre-Medical, Pre-Engineering, Pre-Law and Pre-Business]

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my bro are currently in his 1st year in MBBS in University of Alexandria(under JPA), Egypt. Juz called me and said that he juz finish exam and said that it was tough that he only hope he can pass. What happen if he dun pass?

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but according to sources frm wikipedia, US Pre-med takes only 2 years. Is it 2 years or 4 years? I'm so confused.
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Admission into medical school does not technically require completion of a previous degree, however applicants are usually required to complete at least 2-3 years of "pre-med" courses at the university level because in the US medical degrees are classified as Second entry degrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_educa...e_United_States
Another ques...is Cambridge A-Levels (Pre-Medical studies) equivalent to Pre-medical studies in US? [CAL is basically divided into Pre-Medical, Pre-Engineering, Pre-Law and Pre-Business]
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2 get into US medskol, it's either u nid a US bachelor's degree (3/4 years) or a pre med from some colleges, but the former is the majority.

CAL is not divided into pre medic..... i tink it's just the subject combination, like wif bio, it's called as pre med, wif further maths, it's called as pre engine....

i would recom u the website below 2 noe abt US medskols, most of us in msia r not realli familiar wif how the system in US works.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/
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Hi guys, i want to know studying medicine in which country will need to "dissect" human bodies?
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here in malaysia we do have anatomy dissection sessions for anatomy classes too. =))
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LOL, no bodies for us in USM.. just have cadevers..
not sure bout the newer batches though..
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i tot cadavers =dead corpse??
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i tot cadavers =dead corpse??
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no, since aerikh said tat "LOL, no bodies for us in USM.. just have cadevers..
not sure bout the newer batches though.." ,den i got confused,no bodies but got cadavers?what mean?dead bodies=cadavers
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lolz, it supposed 2 b "no bodies for them" , which means since the day they went usm, only their spirits haf been reserved, their bodies have been dissected 2 become cadavers for their own educational purpose.


Added on March 2, 2008, 7:30 pmisn't it the best explanation for the statement
"LOL, no bodies for us in USM.. just have cadevers..
not sure bout the newer batches though.."


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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Mar 2 2008, 07:26 PM)
lolz, it supposed 2 b "no bodies for them" , which means since the day they went usm, only their spirits haf been reserved, their bodies have been dissected 2 become cadavers for their own educational purpose.


Added on March 2, 2008, 7:30 pmisn't it the best explanation for the statement
"LOL, no bodies for us in USM.. just have cadevers..
not sure bout the newer batches though.."
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lolx like tat oso can  notworthy.gif
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Meaning the cadavers have already been dissected. The students just have to identify the various anatomical structures.

I think it's better to get a fresh cadaver and dissect for oneself. That is the ideal way to learn. But getting bodies for dissection halls is getting more difficult so this is the second best option.
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Hello everyone,i would be delighted if you clarify some of my doubts.

If everything goes wrong in my situation,i would have to take loan to pursue medicine,but i'm dubious about the amout of money i can get from loaning.

Does NUS provide medicine course?

Thanks in advance.
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LOL.. din know my statement could cause that much of a confusion.. tongue.gif
my CADAVERS are random mummified body parts, mangled & dry..
(although it's fun to pull the muscles & tendons to make them move) tongue.gif

& i tot wts89 was referring to fresh / semi-fresh bodies for autopsies, etc..
hehe.. my bad.. tongue.gif


darksider:
PTPTN can get you up to RM100K (if i'm not mistaken)
the rest, u can get from political bodies, bank loans..

yes, NUS does provide medicine.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(aerikh @ Mar 3 2008, 12:52 PM)
LOL.. din know my statement could cause that much of a confusion.. tongue.gif
my CADAVERS are random mummified body parts, mangled & dry..
(although it's fun to pull the muscles & tendons to make them move) tongue.gif

& i tot wts89 was referring to fresh / semi-fresh bodies for autopsies, etc..
hehe.. my bad.. tongue.gif
darksider:
PTPTN can get you up to RM100K (if i'm not mistaken)
the rest, u can get from political bodies, bank loans..

yes, NUS does provide medicine.. smile.gif
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I was wondering, how do medical interviews go? Can anyone offer guides?

And about twinning in IMU, can we practice there when we have completed the course? Or do we have to come back to serve gov?
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u mean entrance? or SPA interview during the final year? smile.gif
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you mean got live corpses? shocking.gif ......!!!!!
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corpses= dead...where got live?...ahaha
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hi..
I am from Hong Kong..
Going to study at IMU in coming feb.
nice to meet all of you..
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i think your first aid senior is ricky rite..??

QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Feb 18 2008, 05:25 PM)
Enjoy IMU while it lasts... it's good fun. Much more relaxing then clinicals where you're literally left to die on your own.

Heard that the curiculum has changed, and you guys get final exams for every semester instead of at Sem 1, 3, and 5.
Talley's are pretty much the recommended book esp in Australian unis since it's written by an Aussie dude.  Good reading, but don't expect to memorise every thing coz it's so damn a lot. MacCleod's another book recommended in IMU, at least when I was still there, but the old version is quite sucky... the new one seems good though as it has a lot of improvements.

I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.

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really tht bad in clinicals..?? i just went to tuanku jaafar for nursing week... super a lot of ppl wei..and the nurses were complaining that we all wanna go to the mortuary..
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Well, you can loan up to 150K from PTPTN now. It has been increased a year ago. =))

Annnddd, i hate biochemistry! freaking lotsa stuffs to memorize. BTW any of u guys here took epidemiology and anthropology during the 1st yer of your course? I find my course curriculum to be unique cos normally other med school will only start it during the clinical years. sigh, added stress.
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 8 2008, 12:12 PM)
Well, you can loan up to 150K from PTPTN now. It has been increased a year ago. =))

Annnddd, i hate biochemistry! freaking lotsa stuffs to memorize. BTW any of u guys here took epidemiology and anthropology during the 1st yer of your course? I find my course curriculum to be unique cos normally other med school will only start it during the clinical years. sigh, added stress.
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I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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hmm, isn't it quite weird? cos one needs 2 know the big pic 1st (gross anat) b4 doing the microscopic structures right. Unless the histo u mean is onli limited 2 cytology and tissues. Makes sense?

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QUOTE(senbonzakura @ Mar 6 2008, 10:31 PM)
really tht bad in clinicals..?? i just went to tuanku jaafar for nursing week... super a lot of ppl wei..and the nurses were complaining that we all wanna go to the mortuary..
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Clinicals bad or not? Well let's just say that it's not rosy... Enjoy pre-clinicals while it lasts, seriously... it's going to be the most memorable time in your studies.

QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 9 2008, 07:42 PM)
I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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Histology first? Really weird... histology as in normal histiology or pathology slides like those in Robbins?
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Histology for tissues only. Regional anatomy will start after out 1st Continuous Accessment. Probably dey want us to learn the microscopic structures of the tissues before proceeding to the upper limb, lower limbs, thorax etc? Systemic anatomy will come in the 2ns yer.

The thing about my curriculum is that i still dun understand why are we taking epidemiology and anthropology on the 1st yer. Does patient doctor relationship or morbidity and mortality rate matters in year one as we only have one week of orientation towards de end of year one? Am comfused here. Cos i thought both of these subj should only be tauaght during the clinical years.
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wow, so many med students here rclxms.gif .

btw, how's IMU now?? heard that the fees has increased again. im M2/01 batch, graduated from melb uni at the end of 2006, currently working in aus. tot im the rare ones surfing lowyat lol.
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QUOTE(tadasu @ Mar 10 2008, 04:15 PM)
wow, so many med students here rclxms.gif .

btw, how's IMU now?? heard that the fees has increased again. im M2/01 batch, graduated from melb uni at the end of 2006, currently working in aus. tot im the rare ones surfing lowyat lol.
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hello, is it easy to apply for internship and job over there in aus as a non-eu ?do u know about the condition in uk? are graduades from the IMU-PMS  allowed to do their internship and work as a doc in uk? since i hv heard that NHS isnt recruiting any non-eu doctors, to be exact is it the fact that we,non-eu are hard to apply for internship and job there? thanks in advance.
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UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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I am a Malaysian but born in UK.
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UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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"completely"?!,i tot it wont be such serious sad.gif its a good opportunity to practise there though...so what is the condition in aus/NZ?such serious as in UK?

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Read http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=3090
It's already in place for sometime.
Aus and NZ not that strict.
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wow,thanks for introducing such resourceful medical web=) btw uk has always changing the working/immigration rule,who knows after n yrs they will be lack of doctors due to less of ppl going to uk to study medicine. I juz hope pharmacy career is allrite wif us non-eu in uk in the coming yrs.
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Hello, I am currently in Form 5 Pure Science Stream. Aspiring to be a Doctor or a Surgeon one day.

My question is what is the recommended path to take?

1) STPM > Local University
2) A-Levels or equivalent > IMU
3) Foundation > University


STPM seems to be the most versatile as it can be used to enter both local or private institutes.
While foundation can only be used at the same university only.

The most expensive path must be number 2. But is it worth it?


Please enlighten me further about the pros and cons.
Thanks. smile.gif
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Hi,

An advice for all medical students.....I doubt anyone else will tell you this before its too late. When you start your medical school, chances are that you will not be exposed to clinical teaching immediately. Traditionally, this begins in year 3, but nowadays, theres a trend to start limited clinical exposure from early on. That brings us to the question of equipping yourselves for clinical practise. Forget the books etc, I'm talking of a doctor's tools. Locally, you can get medical equiptment form any of the local medical bookstores, but what to get and what type to get?

The single most important tool is your stethoscope. There are just so many types and brands and length. My advice, think 3M's Litmann series and forget the rest. Its a trusted brand and quality. Almost every doctor uses this brand. But there is a whole series. So just buy the most expensive one that your budget can afford....even if you have to forgo buying other equiptment! Malaysian medical student all buy the Litmann's Classic Stethoscope.....I think this is a mistake. Medical students in Canada, US all use at least a Littman's Cardiology III as standard! Think of it this is......you will be using it for at least 10 years or longer......and stethoscope have gotten more expensive over the years due to the rising dollar(but in view of the opposite now, it may be cheaper next year!). I remember a Littman's Classic cost just RM130 brand new 7 years ago....how much is it now? 3M is still making and selling the same one.

2nd? tendon hammer? Get the standard long plastic with rounded rubber(queen's hammer)? Or the triangular head with metal handle? They both perform the same...just that the triangular one is easier to hit with and is easier to carry and doesn't break easily. But just get one which is the cheapest....you will likely go through a few of them in your lifetime. But remember, better to use a disposable orange stick for babinski's rather than the pointed end of either.

3rd? Opthalmoscope/autoscope? Forget it. Only posers get it IMHO. Better spend the money getting a better stethoscope. There's always one in the wards if you need one. Else, use it in your uni's clinical teaching unit.

4th? pocket snellen chart. Just get the cheapest one. Quite useful.

Torchlight? Ah.....very very useful. Trick is to get one which is small enough to pocket, but bright enough to outshine everyone's elses.....this one, be a poser all you want IMHO! Get the small maglite if you can afford, but make sure you don't lend it to anyone else and engrave your name on it.....student's lose their torchlight all the time.

Measuring tape? Err......forget it. Rulers? Forget it. Geometric rulers? Forget it.

I can't think of anything that you will need at this point.

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Hi all (:
i'm a fresh a level graduate, hoping to be a medical student.
i'm torn between two choices: IMU twinning programme or Monash Malaysia.

i heard that the lectures in Monash Malaysia is very vigorous and the medicine course offered there is good as they are very focused in producing good docs.
on the other hand, i heard that IMU has a slower-paced study environment compared to Monash Malaysia. However, i'm very interested with the opportunity to go overseas for approximately 2.5 years of clinical offered by IMU.

i understand that 'medical schools choose their students, not the other way round'. but i really loved to hear your opinions on which medical school is better (:

other than that, can anyone tell me what are the chances that i can go over to spore to do my housemanship/internship if i study in Monash Malaysia or IMU? as my family is planning to settle in that country in years to come. i plan to apply to NUS med too, but the chances of me getting in are slim. haha.

Thanks a million!
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QUOTE(Minolta @ Mar 13 2008, 08:25 PM)
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      An advice for all medical students.....I doubt anyone else will tell you this before its too late. When you start your medical school, chances are that you will not be exposed to clinical teaching immediately. Traditionally, this begins in year 3, but nowadays, theres a trend to start limited clinical exposure from early on. That brings us to the question of equipping yourselves for clinical practise. Forget the books etc, I'm talking of a doctor's tools. Locally, you can get medical equiptment form any of the local medical bookstores, but what to get and what type to get?

The single most important tool is your stethoscope. There are just so many types and brands and length. My advice, think 3M's Litmann series and forget the rest. Its a trusted brand and quality. Almost every doctor uses this brand. But there is a whole series. So just buy the most expensive one that your budget can afford....even if you have to forgo buying other equiptment! Malaysian medical student all buy the Litmann's Classic Stethoscope.....I think this is a mistake. Medical students in Canada, US all use at least a Littman's Cardiology III as standard! Think of it this is......you will be using it for at least 10 years or longer......and stethoscope have gotten more expensive over the years due to the rising dollar(but in view of the opposite now, it may be cheaper next year!). I remember a Littman's Classic cost just RM130 brand new 7 years ago....how much is it now? 3M is still making and selling the same one.

2nd? tendon hammer? Get the standard long plastic with rounded rubber(queen's hammer)? Or the triangular head with metal handle? They both perform the same...just that the triangular one is easier to hit with and is easier to carry and doesn't break easily. But just get one which is the cheapest....you will likely go through a few of them in your lifetime. But remember, better to use a disposable orange stick for babinski's rather than the pointed end of either.

3rd? Opthalmoscope/autoscope? Forget it. Only posers get it IMHO. Better spend the money getting a better stethoscope. There's always one in the wards if you need one. Else, use it in your uni's clinical teaching unit.

4th? pocket snellen chart. Just get the cheapest one. Quite useful.

Torchlight? Ah.....very very useful. Trick is to get one which is small enough to pocket, but bright enough to outshine everyone's elses.....this one, be a poser all you want IMHO! Get the small maglite if you can afford, but make sure you don't lend it to anyone else and engrave your name on it.....student's lose their torchlight all the time.

Measuring tape? Err......forget it. Rulers? Forget it. Geometric rulers? Forget it.

I can't think of anything that you will need at this point.

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QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Mar 13 2008, 07:34 PM)
Hello, I am currently in Form 5 Pure Science Stream. Aspiring to be a Doctor or a Surgeon one day.

My question is what is the recommended path to take?

1) STPM > Local University
2) A-Levels or equivalent > IMU
3) Foundation > University
STPM seems to be the most versatile as it can be used to enter both local or private institutes.
While foundation can only be used at the same university only.

The most expensive path must be number 2. But is it worth it?
Please enlighten me further about the pros and cons.
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Never get into STPM if you don't have the confidence to get straight As. It is very hard. SAM is very easy. In IMU, there are quite a number of SAM students which can got over 95%. The only disadvantage in SAM is they learn lesser in depth and cover less topics than STPM, you will face difficulties during semester 1. But at least you have a chance to enter the uni, failing afterwards is a different story. Many stpm students find it hard to get in because they always miss by a little bit. A levels is a little bit easier than stpm (just found out) as they don't need as much memorising as stpm. There is no disadvantage for A levels as it is recognised everywhere where stpm is recognised except IPTA. And the grades to enter IMU for A levels is BBC.
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QUOTE(linkeong @ Mar 13 2008, 10:47 PM)
Never get into STPM if you don't have the confidence to get straight As. It is very hard. SAM is very easy. In IMU, there are quite a number of SAM students which can got over 95%. The only disadvantage in SAM is they learn lesser in depth and cover less topics than STPM, you will face difficulties during semester 1. But at least you have a chance to enter the uni, failing afterwards is a different story. Many stpm students find it hard to get in because they always miss by a little bit. A levels is a little bit easier than stpm (just found out) as they don't need as much memorising as stpm. There is no disadvantage for A levels as it is recognised everywhere where stpm is recognised except IPTA. And the grades to enter IMU for A levels is BBC.
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I see. So that leaves Foundation out unless I am very sure I want to enter a Medical University such as AIMST right?

Maybe I should take the A-Levels path. Got to work hard to get a scholarship even though my parents may be able to support...
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Hi all, could someone please answer my question here :
i)Is the medical degree offered by local Unis (eg UM,UKM,USM) recognised worldwide?
ii)Is it possible for a graduate from local Unis to practise oversea?
iii)Will a graduate from local Unis be able to undergo/pursue his specialist course in unis oversea? (eg. Ireland)

Thanks in advance !
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QUOTE(Alan88 @ Mar 14 2008, 02:41 PM)
Hi all, could someone please answer my question here :
i)Is the medical degree offered by local Unis (eg UM,UKM,USM) recognised worldwide?
ii)Is it possible for a graduate from local Unis to practise oversea?
iii)Will a graduate from local Unis be able to undergo/pursue his specialist course in unis oversea? (eg. Ireland)

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haha i was just gonna ask that.

hey is neurosurgery a good profession to be involved in? thinking of becoming a neurosurgeon.
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1)Only UM and UKM is recognised worldwide.
2) You need to take the local examination of that country
3) Definitely, many specialist are USM, UKM etc graduates

Neuro, you need to really study hard and long. Roughly takes 20 years from the day you start your MBBS course. Malaysia is in need of Oncologist, there are only 6 in Malaysia, and Singapore is in need of Internal Medicine, so they pay extra if you specialise in that field.
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QUOTE(linkeong @ Mar 14 2008, 04:16 PM)
1)Only UM and UKM is recognised worldwide.
2) You need to take the local examination of that country
3) Definitely, many specialist are USM, UKM etc graduates

Neuro, you need to really study hard and long. Roughly takes 20 years from the day you start your MBBS course. Malaysia is in need of Oncologist, there are only 6 in Malaysia, and Singapore is in need of Internal Medicine, so they pay extra if you specialise in that field.
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Really? how u know? it's quite weird to have 6 oncologists only, haha
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onli 6 oncologist? r u sure? how about neurologists? and wat do u mean by 20 years? i tot onli around 9 years or so?
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haha, after arnd 9 years, u r still a MO/GP. In msia, after MBBS, got 2 years houseman, 3 years of compulsory service, and as a non-Bumi (r u?), it's either u will never get neurosurgery or get it in late 30/40's. so, ...9 years, it's quite funny
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Being a neuro really takes on a long path. That's part of the reason why neurosurgery is one of the least interested specialisation among doctors in malaysia. Studies are tough and work is really really hectic as neurosurgeons often involved in long surgeries.

PetroToxin >> Hey! I'm an ex-AIMST foundation student too. Personally i find not much probs in coping with my MBBS course now. And life in foundation is real fun. I'd say that taking the foundation as a pathway to enter medicine here is seriously not bad. wink.gif
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 14 2008, 06:22 PM)
PetroToxin >> Hey! I'm an ex-AIMST foundation student too. Personally i find not much probs in coping with my MBBS course now. And life in foundation is real fun. I'd say that taking the foundation as a pathway to enter medicine here is seriously not bad. wink.gif
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hehe.. I am not in AIMST, still in Form 5 now.
Now still looking for the best path to take. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Minolta @ Mar 13 2008, 08:25 PM)
Hi,

      An advice for all medical students.....I doubt anyone else will tell you this before its too late. When you start your medical school, chances are that you will not be exposed to clinical teaching immediately. Traditionally, this begins in year 3, but nowadays, theres a trend to start limited clinical exposure from early on. That brings us to the question of equipping yourselves for clinical practise. Forget the books etc, I'm talking of a doctor's tools. Locally, you can get medical equiptment form any of the local medical bookstores, but what to get and what type to get?

.................................................................
.................................................................

Measuring tape? Err......forget it. Rulers? Forget it. Geometric rulers? Forget it.

I can't think of anything that you will need at this point.

cheers,
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add a bit
this clin book quite good, and it is easy to read/understand.. bring it along when u're doing ward round

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but for beginner, try to get this book
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even u're if you're not yet enter clinical year, theres no harm of getting these books.. you can read it during your free time, help to correlate with what you'd learnt.. plus it also helps you doing your assignment such as boring ( tongue.gif ) PBLs

about rule/measuring tape.. get a pen and mark 1-5cm on your finger laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hyperx @ Mar 15 2008, 04:01 AM)
add a bit
this clin book quite good, and it is easy to read/understand.. bring it along when u're doing ward round

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


but for beginner, try to get this book
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


even u're if you're not yet enter clinical year, theres no harm of getting these books.. you can read it during your free time, help to correlate with what you'd learnt.. plus it also helps you doing your assignment such as boring ( tongue.gif ) PBLs

about rule/measuring tape.. get a pen and mark 1-5cm on your finger  laugh.gif
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hey y'all..
i just got my spm results n thank god i did well..11A1s..
im interested 2 pursue medicine..but i've heard A LOT of negative stuff about medicine..
eg: A LOT 2 memorize(well..it's true yea?) etc
can u guys gime some positive thoughts?..haha..i really need those..n how do u know ur sure u wana pursue medic?
how did u prepare 4 medic school?..did u do any hospital/clinic attachments?
goshh..lotza ques..hehe..just sum1 who really wana get sum background info..really appreciate ur replies! biggrin.gif
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1st of all, congrats! rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

well, the most important thing:
don't choose medicine just because you scored in your exams...
score in your exams cause you chose medicine!
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well.. i knew i wanted to be a doctor since i was 5.. never wavered from then...
always had to crack my skull to write 2 more options during primary school
(anyone still remember the small card you have to fill, including 3 cita-cita?) tongue.gif

i joined st. john's ambulance since std 5, just to get a feel of the first aid training..
never went to any hospitals for training..

medicine is fun, lots of problem solving, no patient is the same as the previous one..
you can have the most canggih meds & equipment to heal (& kill) people..
people treat you different, your friends & relatives consult you from the 1st day you entered medical school (even though you've only just learnt about the anatomy & physiology)
learning in medicine never stops.. the day you graduate is just the 1st step to the wide world of medicine..
you'll be a doctor till the day you die..
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(YES, there is a LOT to memorize)

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1st of all, congrats!  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif

well, the most important thing:
don't choose medicine just because you scored in your exams...
score in your exams cause you chose medicine!
  blush.gif

well.. i knew i wanted to be a doctor since i was 5.. never wavered from then...
always had to crack my skull to write 2 more options during primary school
(anyone still remember the small card you have to fill, including 3 cita-cita?) tongue.gif

i joined st. john's ambulance since std 5, just to get a feel of the first aid training..
never went to any hospitals for training..

medicine is fun, lots of problem solving, no patient is the same as the previous one..
you can have the most canggih meds & equipment to heal (& kill) people..
people treat you different, your friends & relatives consult you from the 1st day you entered medical school (even though you've only just learnt about the anatomy & physiology)learning in medicine never stops.. the day you graduate is just the 1st step to the wide world of medicine..
you'll be a doctor till the day you die..
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(YES, there is a LOT to memorize)
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If you want to do medicine on the cheap with relatively average results then go to Russia, Ukriane, India or Indonesia. India may be a little tougher now but there so many medical colleges in the country you will find one that happily accept you
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with 11A1s, i'd suggest u to try out JPA scholarship. Reappeal if you dun get them. wink.gif All the best nad! =))

And oh yeah, to add on. Medicine is really hectic, but it's fun in the other way. It's just the matter of how you like the subjects or not. Choose medicine only because u're really really really interested in it. wink.gif

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hi there..

im curretly in final year MBBS in malacca manipal medical college -twinning 2 1/2 years manipal india and 2 1/2 malacca
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hye der. m spm leaver. well,my reslt wasnt great enuf n i cant apply st8 away tru JPA 4 medic.
but,i hve a very high interest in medic. very.
i was fricking 8 years old wen i fell in love in dis filed.
but,i dono wt hpnd,my spm just.. argh!! ;(

nway,wana ask somthng.


1) wat actually is MBBS?
2) how i can get ito medic? is it tru matriculation @ wut?

anyone cares to answer?
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QUOTE(jidinmiya @ Mar 20 2008, 11:27 AM)
hye der. m  spm leaver. well,my reslt wasnt great enuf n i cant apply st8 away tru JPA 4 medic.
but,i hve a very high interest in medic. very.
i was fricking 8 years old wen i fell in love in dis filed.
but,i dono wt hpnd,my spm just.. argh!! ;(

nway,wana ask somthng.
1) wat actually is MBBS?
2) how i can get ito medic? is it tru matriculation @ wut?

anyone cares to answer?
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to start off, you could try to type properly in a forum like this so people can understand you......this is NOT sms okay......
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QUOTE(jidinmiya @ Mar 20 2008, 11:27 AM)
hye der. m  spm leaver. well,my reslt wasnt great enuf n i cant apply st8 away tru JPA 4 medic.
but,i hve a very high interest in medic. very.
i was fricking 8 years old wen i fell in love in dis filed.
but,i dono wt hpnd,my spm just.. argh!! ;(

nway,wana ask somthng.
1) wat actually is MBBS?
2) how i can get ito medic? is it tru matriculation @ wut?

anyone cares to answer?
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ur Q is rather superficial for an aspiring doc. R u really interested in Medicine? hmm....
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often, it's attraction to the 'glamour' of being a doctor, ala er or house........read aerikh's post above, it is VERY true.......the same caveat applies to people with 'interest' but without the academic ability........
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i want to ask a question .. is indonesia is good to study medic?
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generally speaking, the training of doctors is closely tied to the provision of healthcare.......so obviously, the countries with the best healthcare standards are also the ones with the most stringent student selection process, and the most consistent in quality of graduates..........

so you have the rich of the world going to the USA for treatment for obvious reasons......in this region, the little red dot is an obvious destination when one with money falls sick........even some hospitals in thailand are attracting 'health tourism'........

have you noticed any rush by patients to go to indonesia for healthcare? lots of them in fact, ends up in penang, melaka, KL.........and of course the little red dot........

so go figure........
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QUOTE(ResQ @ Mar 20 2008, 05:43 PM)
i want to ask a question .. is indonesia is good to study medic?
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generally speaking, the training of doctors is closely tied to the provision of healthcare.......so obviously, the countries with the best healthcare standards are also the ones with the most stringent student selection process, and the most consistent in quality of graduates..........

so you have the rich of the world going to the USA for treatment for obvious reasons......in this region, the little red dot is an obvious destination when one with money falls sick........even some hospitals in thailand are attracting 'health tourism'........

have you noticed any rush by patients to go to indonesia for healthcare? lots of them in fact, ends up in penang, melaka, KL.........and of course the little red dot........

so go figure........
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ur Q is rather superficial for an aspiring doc. R u really interested in Medicine? hmm....
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ya! i am. n sorry for not using da proper words. sory again.


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ur Q is rather superficial for an aspiring doc. R u really interested in Medicine? hmm....
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ya! i am. n sorry for not using da proper words. sory again.


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often, it's attraction to the 'glamour' of being a doctor, ala er or house........read aerikh's post above, it is VERY true.......the same caveat applies to people with 'interest' but without the academic ability........
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ok FINE! thnx a lot. i know im not qualified. not as SMART s u.
ya!! gt no academic ability... im STUPID.
thnx.


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 20 2008, 03:00 PM)
often, it's attraction to the 'glamour' of being a doctor, ala er or house........read aerikh's post above, it is VERY true.......the same caveat applies to people with 'interest' but without the academic ability........
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ok FINE! thnx a lot. i know im not qualified. not as SMART s u.
ya!! gt no academic ability... im STUPID.
thnx.

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Added on March 20, 2008, 8:56 pm
ok FINE! thnx a lot. i know im not qualified. not as SMART s u.
ya!! gt no academic ability... im STUPID.
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i did NOT say you are not qualified, you yourself have doubts about qualifying for jpa scholarship....

you did not post your results so i certainly cannot comment on you specifically.....why get so defensive?

the way msians go to all lengths to become doctors through many backdoor ways, i can tell you people with only 2A's at spm have become doctors...........unlike most well managed countries where they go to great lengths to assure only the best and brightest become doctors, msia through politicians are looking for as many ways to become doctors as possible, particularly through third countries, so any mediocre student with some money can become one........don't believe me?........go to any gov hospital, select a random group of junior doctors and ask them what they got for their spm......

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Indonesia Unis only care about money not results. My friend who passed up a blank paper for all his stpm subjects also got into Indonesia for Medicine (University Sriwijaya) and his spm was also just as bad.
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the indian med schools have been doing that for years, you basically buy yourself a degree........but lately the indian cov has clamped down on this, and also restrict foreign students, so malaysians have been looking elsewhere for such backdoor entry, notably indonesia and russia.........while there are many good students there, their willingness to take in people with very poor academic results for money has tarnished their status.......there are few countries as messed up as msia, we recognise the MOST number of foreign medical schools in the world........the US/oz holds the record of the opposite.......they only recognise canadian/nz qualifications, anyone else will have to sit for umsle/amc......

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hey medical students. just asking, shud my fren go to um, uiam or uitm? he's interested in taking up medicine and rite now, he just cant make up his decision whether to enter the asasi sains hayat programme at um, the asasi perubatan programme at uiam or the asasi sains programme at uitm. wat are the pros and cons of each programme? is the uitm/uiam medical degree recognized worldwide?

thanks guys
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why u guys flamed this fella, by reading a single post u cant simply judge a person just like that.. its no good at all
he came here to ask some questions, is there a need to flame? skip the "u-should-do-your-homework-b4-start-asking-ppl-here" thing, a lot of good doctors out there were no better than this guy when they are 18yo

QUOTE(jidinmiya @ Mar 20 2008, 11:27 AM)
hye der. m  spm leaver. well,my reslt wasnt great enuf n i cant apply st8 away tru JPA 4 medic.
but,i hve a very high interest in medic. very.
i was fricking 8 years old wen i fell in love in dis filed.
but,i dono wt hpnd,my spm just.. argh!! ;(

nway,wana ask somthng.
1) wat actually is MBBS?
2) how i can get ito medic? is it tru matriculation @ wut?

anyone cares to answer?
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first of all my spm result last time also not good coz i got all As but my Bio got B3 (for god sake i hate everything in bio except human thingy) thus my JPA ticket for pursuing medicine @ overseas was gone..
there are a lot of other alternative to study medic.. u can go do A-Lvl of SAM and study abroad (i'll leave the process to someone knows better)
for my case.. i did apply for matriculation when i was in form 5, and i got it.
Try your best to get 4.00 cgpa @ matriculation coz there are very minimal chances you'll be excepted to top IPTA uni if you didnt score 4.00
I did try my best, and now here i am, stranded in UM for 5 years smile.gif


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hey medical students. just asking, shud my fren go to um, uiam or uitm? he's interested in taking up medicine and rite now, he just cant make up his decision whether to enter the asasi sains hayat programme at um, the asasi perubatan programme at uiam or the asasi sains programme at uitm. wat are the pros and cons of each programme? is the uitm/uiam medical degree recognized worldwide?

thanks guys
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asasi sains hayat @ UM
then apply medic @ UM

coz the toughest always better

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is the syllabus taught in english?
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1st of all, congrats!  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif

well, the most important thing:
don't choose medicine just because you scored in your exams...
score in your exams cause you chose medicine!
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well.. i knew i wanted to be a doctor since i was 5.. never wavered from then...
always had to crack my skull to write 2 more options during primary school
(anyone still remember the small card you have to fill, including 3 cita-cita?) tongue.gif

i joined st. john's ambulance since std 5, just to get a feel of the first aid training..
never went to any hospitals for training..

medicine is fun, lots of problem solving, no patient is the same as the previous one..
you can have the most canggih meds & equipment to heal (& kill) people..
people treat you different, your friends & relatives consult you from the 1st day you entered medical school (even though you've only just learnt about the anatomy & physiology)
learning in medicine never stops.. the day you graduate is just the 1st step to the wide world of medicine..
you'll be a doctor till the day you die..
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(YES, there is a LOT to memorize)
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ohh..thanx aerikh! haha..yea!! da cita-cita card.. sweat.gif ..it's nice 2 hear experience from a med student.. blush.gif hope i can be one too n join y'all!! wooo~~ lol..gettin excited now.. biggrin.gif oh goshh..A LOT 2 memorize huh? must start eatin lego raisins from now on.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 20 2008, 09:48 AM)
with 11A1s, i'd suggest u to try out JPA scholarship. Reappeal if you dun get them. wink.gif All the best nad! =))

And oh yeah, to add on. Medicine is really hectic, but it's fun in the other way. It's just the matter of how you like the subjects or not. Choose medicine only because u're really really really interested in it. wink.gif
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hmm..i applied 4 jpa at first..but then decided 2 change 2 mara..cuz i heard jpa scholarship is a hard 1 to get..i hav a cousin who scored 10A1s n didnt get it.. cry.gif ..soo,i dun wana take risk la..hehe..
well..im interested now..n i think if i get myself deeper in2 medicine i'll be even more interested with the things i get 2 learn.. smile.gif ..hope so..haha..
thanx u guys!
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 20 2008, 10:12 PM)
i did NOT say you are not qualified, you yourself have doubts about qualifying for jpa scholarship....

you did not post your results so i certainly cannot comment on you specifically.....why get so defensive?

the way msians go to all lengths to become doctors through many backdoor ways, i can tell you people with only 2A's at spm have become doctors...........unlike most well managed countries where they go to great lengths to assure only the best and brightest become doctors, msia through politicians are looking for as many ways to become doctors as possible, particularly through third countries, so any mediocre student with some money can become one........don't believe me?........go to any gov hospital, select a random group of junior doctors and ask them what they got for their spm......
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I beg to differ. SPM is not as important as last time, as the standard has fallen dramatically (look at the numbers of people scoring 10 As and you will know), as well as the debatable marking scheme (no one is allowed to see his/her own paper after it's being marked). What's important is your Pre U. A friend of mine only scored 3 As in SPM but ended up with straight As in A level. Now he is studying Medicine in Melbourne U. So if you have done poorly in your SPM, do not be upset but work harder for your Pre U instead.
In addition, i believe medical schools place more emphasis on Pre U results rather than SPM when choosing students.

And at the end of days, it really depends on your ability to diagnose and treat rather than your results back in SPM, Pre U or even Med school. As long as you have fine tuned your clinical skills, you will definitely be a good doctor.

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I beg to differ. SPM is not as important as last time, as the standard has fallen dramatically (look at the numbers of people scoring 10 As and you will know), as well as the debatable marking scheme (no one is allowed to see his/her own paper after it's being marked). What's important is your Pre U. A friend of mine only scored 3 As in SPM but ended up with straight As in A level. Now he is studying Medicine in Melbourne U. So if you have done poorly in your SPM, do not be upset but work harder for your Pre U instead.
In addition, i believe medical schools place more emphasis on Pre U results rather than SPM when choosing students.

And at the end of days, it really depends on your ability to diagnose and treat rather than your results back in SPM, Pre U or even Med school. As long as you have fine tuned your clinical skills, you will definitely be a good doctor.
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you are not getting my points, i am talking globally, not in the specifics of exceptional cases you mentioned.......

spm is the last common exam for the vast majority of msian students, after which the pathway diverges into so many different directions, and it is different to compare.......so the last yardstick to benchmark a student's position amongst his peers is the spm result......of course NOBODY should be admitted into med school on the basis of spm, but on a bridging matriculation (not to be confused with matrik), which unfortunately is so varied....but baring the exceptions, the vast majority will get a result in their matriculation commensurate with their spm results........

that fact established, again looking globally at the training of the country's future doctors, it is to the best interest of the country and the people, that the best, brightest and most suitable be chosen.........and in the majority of well managed advanced countries, this is the case, they do go at great length to ensure the best amd most suitable student is selected........

except msia has NO system to do this, and with the abundance of backdoor pathways in many other countries, as well as compliance with the nep locally, this results in many students being admitted who are NOT the best available.........i was using the example of the spm results to highlight this fact.......that MANY STUDENTS WITH VERY POOR RESULTS ARE ADMITTED INTO MED SCHOOLS, usually in countries like india and indonesia and russia, and ipta as well........students with better results but no money/wrong colour are denied entry........

that is my point.......

of course, once you are in, by working hard, and being conscientious, you can still come out as a good doctor.....or you may not.........as a consumer who needs health care in future, i don't want to have to doubt the competency of my doctor in future......which i do now knowing the real situation on intake into med schools........

understand?
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Well I see that there is a clash of opinions here.

In my opinion, it does not take a genius to qualify as a doctor.
What is essential is the doctor's sincere heart to help patients under the condition that he/she has a reasonable amount of skills required.

About health tourism, I personally feel its the country's health care technology and facilities that attracts people's attention.
My father used to have a complication in his gall bladder and he underwent surgery in Singapore under the knife of a Malaysian surgeon.

He was told by the doctor that in Malaysia, the facilities are not good enough and the government is putting pressure on doctors to do what they do not like. (Educating etc.)


I am not a doctor. Currently I am just in Form 5 and aspirating to be one in the near future.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 20 2008, 10:12 PM)
i did NOT say you are not qualified, you yourself have doubts about qualifying for jpa scholarship....

you did not post your results so i certainly cannot comment on you specifically.....why get so defensive?

the way msians go to all lengths to become doctors through many backdoor ways, i can tell you people with only 2A's at spm have become doctors...........unlike most well managed countries where they go to great lengths to assure only the best and brightest become doctors, msia through politicians are looking for as many ways to become doctors as possible, particularly through third countries, so any mediocre student with some money can become one........don't believe me?........go to any gov hospital, select a random group of junior doctors and ask them what they got for their spm......
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ya! im sorry. too emotional.
i didnt mean too but it just dat..
well,my spm reslt wasnt s i expected.
dat was da worst reslt ever. my trial was much beter dan spm. im totally lost wen u said dat. not even thinkng wider n wisely.
im sorry. nway,i gt ur point der!
but,im not a girl from a very2 rich family.
nayy self-spnsored. i just can apply for dis such application..n wutsoeva.
soooorry again.
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QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Mar 22 2008, 08:18 PM)
Well I see that there is a clash of opinions here.

In my opinion, it does not take a genius to qualify as a doctor.
What is essential is the doctor's sincere heart to help patients under the condition that he/she has a reasonable amount of skills required.

About health tourism, I personally feel its the country's health care technology and facilities that attracts people's attention.
My father used to have a complication in his gall bladder and he underwent surgery in Singapore under the knife of a Malaysian surgeon.

He was told by the doctor that in Malaysia, the facilities are not good enough and the government is putting pressure on doctors to do what they do not like. (Educating etc.)
I am not a doctor. Currently I am just in Form 5 and aspirating to be one in the near future.
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you father has been mislead........for gallbladder surgery, any private or government general hospital will be able to do the laparoscopic cholecystectomy required.....

you have to understand something about spore........their kiasu-ness extends to everything, including healthcare......they will always say they are better then msia.......even if it is not true...

but they have a point......all doctors accredited and registered there are good.......ie there is no backdoor for them......unlike msia, as i explained above.......there are a lot of msian doctors there, but mostly graduates from uk/oz/nus etc, where entry into med schools are properly controlled.....they have only recently recognised um and ukm, because the non-malay entry there is tougher than even nus, when there is a shortage of junior doctors there.........

it is well established that anyone who lies in the top 10% of his cohort should be able to study medicine and become a competent doctor........not a genius......that is not what we are talking about.........there are students from well below the top 10% getting into medicine, and they should NOT be there.........

even amongst the top 10%, most unis will choose the top 5% or even top 2%, there are no shortage of applicants from that group........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 22 2008, 08:33 PM)
you father has been mislead........for gallbladder surgery, any private or government general hospital will be able to do the laparoscopic cholecystectomy required.....

you have to understand something about spore........their kiasu-ness extends to everything, including healthcare......they will always say they are better then msia.......even if it is not true...

but they have a point......all doctors accredited and registered there are good.......ie there is no backdoor for them......unlike msia, as i explained above.......there are a lot of msian doctors there, but mostly graduates from uk/oz/nus etc, where entry into med schools are properly controlled.....they have only recently recognised um and ukm, because the non-malay entry there is tougher than even nus, when there is a shortage of junior doctors there.........

it is well established that anyone who lies in the top 10% of his cohort should be able to study medicine and become a competent doctor........not a genius......that is not what we are talking about.........there are students from well below the top 10% getting into medicine, and they should NOT be there.........

even amongst the top 10%, most unis will choose the top 5% or even top 2%, there are no shortage of applicants from that group........
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Yes I agree with you now.

About my father's complication, he did the laparoscopic cholecystectomy in Malaysia.
But after a few years, another complication developed at that area again.

To cut the story short, my father got consultation from Malaysia (Not to name any hospital).
Then he went to Singapore to seek a second opinion where he learn that the procedure done in Singapore is different and correct.

But lets put this aside as it the decision has been made and the operation was successful.
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you are not getting my points, i am talking globally, not in the specifics of exceptional cases you mentioned.......

spm is the last common exam for the vast majority of msian students, after which the pathway diverges into so many different directions, and it is different to compare.......so the last yardstick to benchmark a student's position amongst his peers is the spm result......of course NOBODY should be admitted into med school on the basis of spm, but on a bridging matriculation (not to be confused with matrik), which unfortunately is so varied....but baring the exceptions, the vast majority will get a result in their matriculation commensurate with their spm results........

that fact established, again looking globally at the training of the country's future doctors, it is to the best interest of the country and the people, that the best, brightest and most suitable be chosen.........and in the majority of well managed advanced countries, this is the case, they do go at great length to ensure the best amd most suitable student is selected........

except msia has NO system to do this, and with the abundance of backdoor pathways in many other countries, as well as compliance with the nep locally, this results in many students being admitted who are NOT the best available.........i was using the example of the spm results to highlight this fact.......that MANY STUDENTS WITH VERY POOR RESULTS ARE ADMITTED INTO MED SCHOOLS, usually in countries like india and indonesia and russia, and ipta as well........students with better results but no money/wrong colour are denied entry........

that is my point.......

of course, once you are in, by working hard, and being conscientious, you can still come out as a good doctor.....or you may not.........as a consumer who needs health care in future, i don't want to have to doubt the competency of my doctor in future......which i do now knowing the real situation on intake into med schools........

understand?
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Yes, I got your point but i still disagree with using SPM as benchmark to measure one's capability, even though it is the common pathway for most of the msian students. What matters the most is the clinical performance of a doctor, which, sadly, cannot be judged properly due to the lack of a common exam for all medical graduates in Msia, both local and foreign alike. And i too, am saddened by the fact that many students enter this course through back door (NEP mostly), while i had to struggle hard to enter this course.

Therefore, i sincerely hope that there is a Malaysian Medical Licensing Exam for better control of the quality of the doctors in Msia.

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Yes, I got your point but i still disagree with using SPM as benchmark to measure one's capability, even though it is the common pathway for most of the msian students. What matters the most is the clinical performance of a doctor, which, sadly, cannot be judged properly due to the lack of a common exam for all medical graduates in Msia, both local and foreign alike. And i too, am saddened by the fact that many students enter this course through back door (NEP mostly), while i had to struggle hard to enter this course.

Therefore, i sincerely hope that there is a Malaysian Medical Licensing Exam for better control of the quality of the doctors in Msia.
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no i did NOT use spm as benckmark for capability.........it's for benchmarking eligibility to enter the course.........the gatekeeping at entry is more important and effective than at exit.......and gatekeeping at exit is NOT gonna happen, too many political vested interests.......
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no i did NOT use spm as benckmark for capability.........it's for benchmarking eligibility to enter the course.........the gatekeeping at entry is more important and effective than at exit.......and gatekeeping at exit is NOT gonna happen, too many political vested interests.......
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Even for eligibility, it is not suitable, as its marking scheme is not transparent enough. I have seen far too many cases that good students who excelled in trials fared poorly in SPM and vice versa.
Therefore, in my opinion, there is no point of measuring one's eligibility. Instead, we should look at the school a doctor graduates from. Often, graduates from unknown medical schools perform badly. But again, there are exceptions.

So in the end of days, as i have mentioned before, it really depends on your clinical performance.

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Even for eligibility, it is not suitable, as its marking scheme is not transparent enough. I have seen far too many cases that good students who excelled in trials fared poorly in SPM and vice versa.
Therefore, in my opinion, there is no point of measuring one's eligibility. Instead, we should look at the school a doctor graduates from. Often, graduates from unknown medical schools perform badly. But again, there are exceptions.

So in the end of days, as i have mentioned before, it really depends on your clinical performance.
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variability..........that is what you are saying.........what i am saying is, why do we not cut down the variability, like countries like oz and uk.........by making sure all candidates accepted are the best from the pool...........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 12:46 AM)
variability..........that is what you are saying.........what i am saying is, why do we not cut down the variability, like countries like oz and uk.........by making sure all candidates accepted are the best from the pool...........
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I do agree with limeuu's statement of variability.

Its the government's fault. Having their stupid quota for almost everything such as jobs/uni places/scholarships is really hindering the society and lowering the education standard.

Speaking from first hand experience, I see the medical education in Melbourne Uni largely based on meritocracy. There is no quotas for people of a certain race, there are only quotas for Australians, Internationals and Access places for students in rural areas. And, everyone has a near perfect score in their final year of high school/pre-uni, unlike some unis in Malaysia and other countries.
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I do agree with limeuu's statement of variability.

Its the government's fault. Having their stupid quota for almost everything such as jobs/uni places/scholarships is really hindering the society and lowering the education standard.

Speaking from first hand experience, I see the medical education in Melbourne Uni largely based on meritocracy. There is no quotas for people of a certain race, there are only quotas for Australians, Internationals and Access places for students in rural areas. And, everyone has a near perfect score in their final year of high school/pre-uni, unlike some unis in Malaysia and other countries.
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If it's like what you said, i think all medical schools in Malaysia are not good enough, both gov and private alike. No medical schools in Malaysia accept only students with near perfect score as far as i know.
Malaysia's education has indeed been screwed by our beloved gov. sweat.gif

Edited: Typo

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 23 2008, 01:02 PM)
If it's like what you said, i think all medical schools in Malaysia are good enough, both gov and private alike. No medical schools in Malaysia accept only students with near perfect score as far as i know.
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i am confused.......so they all accept students without near perfect scores........therefore they are good enough?...... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 01:06 PM)
i am confused.......so they all accept students without near perfect scores........therefore they are good enough?...... rclxub.gif
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Opps, typo.
From what i know of, example IMU, is willing to take in students with TER 90 for Sam (which is far from perfect score) for their local MBBS program.
Melaka-Manipal was even worse, took in students with TER less than 70 for the first few batches. The same applies for most other private medical colleges in Msia.
And in gov uni, there is backdoor entry through matrikulasi.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 01:06 PM)
i am confused.......so they all accept students without near perfect scores........therefore they are good enough?...... rclxub.gif
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There are studies proof that academic excellence does not promise or guarantee good student. Sometimes EQ is more important than IQ. Study has done at harvard n has found many student with good EQ despite bad IQ usu have better future n qualification . What's the ppoint of having inteliigence student despite not knowing how to handle emotion n social with person? Todays worls require more cooperation. To me, one inteligence is one potential whereas to control emotion n social is a skill

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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Mar 23 2008, 01:22 PM)
Im 4th year doing practical at Hospital Selayang. Im from UiTM. Hey, dont u have any ward round
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How's Selayang hospital? I heard it's a paperless hospital, true?
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The most thing that i concern now, that is a lot of privatge medical student but yet did not have any accessability toward hospital. So how to practice
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Mar 23 2008, 01:22 PM)
There are studies proof that academic excellence does not promise or guarantee good student. Sometimes EQ is more important than IQ. Study has done at harvard n has found many student with good EQ despite bad IQ usu have better future n qualification . What's the ppoint of having inteliigence student despite not knowing how to handle emotion n social with person? Todays worls require more cooperation. To me, one inteligence is one potential whereas to control emotion n social is a skill
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Couldn't agree more. If possible, pls post a link to one of the studies. Thanks.
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Semester break.  smile.gif
How's Selayang hospital? I heard it's a paperless hospital, true?
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Couldn't agree more. If possible, pls post a link to one of the studies. Thanks.
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Im 4th year doing practical at Hospital Selayang. Im from UiTM. Hey, dont u have any ward round


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There are studies proof that academic excellence does not promise or guarantee good student. Sometimes EQ is more important than IQ. Study has done at harvard n has found many student with good EQ despite bad IQ usu have better future n qualification . What's the ppoint of having inteliigence student despite not knowing how to handle emotion n social with person? Todays worls require more cooperation. To me, one inteligence is one potential whereas to control emotion n social is a skill
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of course, that is why they also conduct tests of personality and amplitude in the selection process......

the point remains, there are MORE than enough potential candidates with very high scores AND the right applitude (what you called eq)........so why choose from those with poor results?

in other words, the FIRST and FOREMOST criteria MUST be the intellectual ability....then from this group, choose the most suitable applitude wise.......

arguing that someone thought to have the 'eq' to be a good doctor can be one, in spite of poor academic records just doesn't cut it..........not in developed countries anyway.....but as can be seen, many here seems to support this reasoning.......that i suspect stems from the fact that there are indeed a lot of medical students in msia and other 3rd world countries, who would never have even been shortlisted in the developed world.....they are in because of connections, money, affirmative programmes.......etc......

these are facts..... shakehead.gif


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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 23 2008, 01:19 PM)
Opps, typo.
From what i know of, example IMU, is willing to take in students with TER 90 for Sam (which is far from perfect score) for their local MBBS program.
Melaka-Manipal was even worse, took in students with TER less than 70 for the first few batches. The same applies for most other private medical colleges in Msia.
And in gov uni, there is backdoor entry through matrikulasi.
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ter 90 would generally be considered the minimum cutoff.....

imu was 94 last year, 91 this year.......but apparently like monash as someone said in another thread, they will kick you out just like that if you don't make the cut.......last year's batch, 40 got kicked down (repeat 1st of 2nd sem) or out.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 01:44 PM)
of course, that is why they also conduct tests of personality and amplitude in the selection process......

the point remains, there are MORE than enough potential candidates with very high scores AND the right applitude (what you called eq)........so why choose from those with poor results?

in other words, the FIRST and FOREMOST criteria MUST be the intellectual ability....then from this group, choose the most suitable applitude wise.......

arguing that someone thought to have the 'eq' to be a good doctor can be one, in spite of poor academic records just doesn't cut it..........not in developed countries anyway.....but as can be seen, many here seems to support this reasoning.......that i suspect stems from the fact that there are indeed a lot of medical students in msia and other 3rd world countries, who would never have even been shortlisted in the developed world.....they are in because of connections, money, affirmative programmes.......etc......

these are facts..... shakehead.gif


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ter 90 would generally be considered the minimum cutoff.....

imu was 94 last year, 91 this year.......but apparently like monash as someone said in another thread, they will kick you out just like that if you don't make the cut.......last year's batch, 40 got kicked down (repeat 1st of 2nd sem) or out.......
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Yes, there shall be balance of EQ n IQ. However, it is not so easy to assess EQ compare to assess IQ because IQ can just simply take from how many score u have. However, not all those high grade does really have high IQ because u know a lot of us just do memorize more rather understanding. Still, i believe there shall be kuota for male n female. My batch was so many girl, that sometimes we have to listen them althought their idea is just simply rubbish. Majority win, huh..? biggrin.gif
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ter 90 would generally be considered the minimum cutoff.....

imu was 94 last year, 91 this year.......but apparently like monash as someone said in another thread, they will kick you out just like that if you don't make the cut.......last year's batch, 40 got kicked down (repeat 1st of 2nd sem) or out.......
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Entry requirement for IMU varies from year to year. My friend, who was 2 years older than me, was admitted into IMU local MBBS program with TER 87 only (back in 2002). Even if the entry score is TER94, it's still far from perfect or near-perfect score (compared to Melbourne U's 99), therefore according to you and zltan, those students shouldn't be doing medicine at all.

For your info, not only IMU kicks students, many other schools do the same thing too. Like in Melaka-Manipal, more than 50 were dropped down from my batch during first year itself.

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Yes, there shall be balance of EQ n IQ. However, it is not so easy to assess EQ compare to assess IQ because IQ can just simply take from how many score u have. However, not all those high grade does really have high IQ because u know a lot of us just do memorize more rather understanding. Still, i believe there shall be kuota for male n female. My batch was so many girl, that sometimes we have to listen them althought their idea is just simply rubbish. Majority win, huh..? biggrin.gif
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i think you really need to move away from the quota mentality......

you will be surprise how accurate and precise some of these validated applitude tests are.........they are commonly combined with tests of reasoning (what you called iq), in a random fashion, so the student does not know what he is tested on........

don't give excuses, all the tools to accurately select the best candidates are there, it is a matter of whether the uni/gov wants to do it or not........ie the political will.......


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Entry requirement for IMU varies from year to year. My friend, who was 2 years older than me, was admitted into IMU local MBBS program with TER 87 only (back in 2002). Even if the entry score is TER94, it's still far from perfect or near-perfect score (compared to Melbourne U's 99), therefore according to you and zltan, those students shouldn't be doing medicine at all.

For your info, not only IMU kicks students, many other schools do the same thing too. Like in Melaka-Manipal, more than 50 were dropped down from my batch during first year itself.
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dud, what do you think we are saying then?......

to be fair however, like i said, it has been shown than like many people here claims, you don't have to be a genius to do medicine.........the top 10% of a cohort should be able to do it well enough, that correspond to ter 90 and above, and indeed, that is the MINIMUM ter score to be considered for medicine and dentistry in oz........

Melbourne is unique in oz, as the one which rely purely on ter scores in selection, so most of the students actually have ter above 99.75........the other oz undergraduate med schools rely on a combination of applitude test scores (umat, isat pqa), interview, and ter......and generally, the vast majority of selected students will have a ter above 95...........

let me make my stand........i have NO issue with anyone with a ter score of 95 and above (or equivalent) doing medicine........that is at least 20,000 students in msia every year to choose from........there will be NO problem in finding the right candidates from that large group........agree?

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dud, what do you think we are saying then?......

to be fair however, like i said, it has been shown than like many people here claims, you don't have to be a genius to do medicine.........the top 10% of a cohort should be able to do it well enough, that correspond to ter 90 and above, and indeed, that is the MINIMUM ter score to be considered for medicine and dentistry in oz........

Melbourne is unique in oz, as the one which rely purely on ter scores in selection, so most of the students actually have ter above 99.75........the other oz undergraduate med schools rely on a combination of applitude test scores (umat, isat pqa), interview, and ter......and generally, the vast majority of selected students will have a ter above 95...........

let me make my stand........i have NO issue with anyone with a ter score of 95 and above (or equivalent) doing medicine........that is at least 20,000 students in msia every year to choose from........there will be NO problem in finding the right candidates from that large group........agree?
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Hmm, how about those with TER90-94? do you have issues with them doing medicine? hmm.gif
The majority of my batch fall in this range, yet some of them are not doing as well as those who got TER85-89 (actual fact, not making up).
And I dun think TER95 translates into 20000 students in msia. May i know how you calculate this??

However, i do agree that medical students need to have good command of English, as it is the medium of instruction. By reading some of the posts here by students from various medical schools makes me sweat.gif

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Hmm, how about those with TER90-94? do you have issues with them doing medicine?  hmm.gif
The majority of my batch fall in this range, yet some of them are not doing as well as those who got TER85-89 (actual fact, not making up).
And I dun think TER95 translates into 20000 students in msia. May i know how you calculate this??
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Flipped a digit there hypermax?

Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere, so if not a TER of 95, where?
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Flipped a digit there hypermax?

Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere, so if not a TER of 95, where?
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HUh?? what do you mean?
By the way, i think the cut off point of TER91 or 92 should be good enough. Of course, interview is a must.

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there are 400+k students per cohort .....the ter system is based purely on percentile ranking, NOT marks, so the top 5% will be 20K students plus..........these are the ones getting the straight a's in spm (what, more than 6k alone this year?) and those with mostly a's and a few b's........before anyone talk about NOT using spm again, this is the LAST common exams for msians, it doesn't matter what they do after, matrik, stpm, a levels whatever, the top 5% at spm will also produce the top 5% at the matriculation level in general........
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there are 400+k students per cohort .....the ter system is based purely on percentile ranking, NOT marks, so the top 5% will be 20K students plus..........these are the ones getting the straight a's in spm (what, more than 6k alone this year?) and those with mostly a's and a few b's........before anyone talk about NOT using spm again, this is the LAST common exams for msians, it doesn't matter what they do after, matrik, stpm, a levels whatever, the top 5% at spm will also produce the top 5% at the matriculation level in general........
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How do you know there are 400+K of students per cohort?? Any source to verify this? Btw, i am talking about TER for SAM, not SPM. Good SPM results don't usually translates into good Pre U results (A level especially)
As i have mentioned before, although it is the last common exam for Msian students, it's debatable marking scheme makes it an ineffective tool to measure one's ability/eligibility. Pre U result is more accurate. Although there are many Pre U programs around, it's still far better than using SPM as benchmark. If not, why do you think medical schools look at Pre U result rather than SPM???

Btw, just curious, which medical school are you from? Or you are already working?? how come you got so much free time to be so active in this forum?? sweat.gif Or perhaps my time management is bad laugh.gif

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I am a medical student sponsored by JPA to study in Ireland about to complete my studies. I write to you after reading your article on the rot of the Malaysian healthcare system. We JPA scholars here have been very frustrated with the JPA enforcing us to immediately return to the country upon graduation, barring us from continuing training as interns (equivalent of houseman) in the countries where we graduated from This would mean we cannot obtain the sufficient exposure that would make our training complete, and would off course, mean a waste of taxpayers money as there would have been no difference with studying locally.

JPA had announced recently that none of its medical scholars overseas will be allowed the opportunity to do further train overseas even at their own expanses, and are to return ASAP upon graduation. No scholar would be allowed to stay on regardless of the training posts they obtain upon graduation. To add to the spice of JPA's foolishness, it seems that JPA gives priority to romantic relationships over the academic achievements of its scholars by giving exception to remain overseas to those who are married to a fellow JPA/MARA sponsored student who are still commencing studies in the foreign country concerned.

Till today, I have yet to comprehend the narrow minded policies set by the JPA. JPA seems to fail to understand that by allowing its scholars to stay on for postgraduate training, many will be offered positions in world-renowned healthcare institutions. The exposure and experience gained through these positions would be an invaluable asset to the country and the rakyat in the future. Unfortunately, JPA seems to be adamant in having fresh graduate doctors returning to receive Malaysian medical training, instead of allowing these fresh grads to further train themselves and one day return as first world specialists who will reform and infuse new uptodate skills in Malaysian Healthcare a few years down the road. Also of importance is the availability of funding to do research work in these foreign teaching hospitals, which is significantly lacking in Malaysia. Would it not make Malaysia proud if Malaysian Doctors were publishing their research work in heavy weight journals in the medical world. Upon return, these foreign trained doctors will then be able to start up a trend of research-based medicine, to the benefit of the ranking of Malaysian universities who lose out because of lack in research.

This immediate return policy has also stunted the motivation of many JPA scholars. Housemanship placements in Malaysia show disregard to academic achievements. It is random where one is sent to at best, and at its worst influenced by racism and cronism. This off course does not help in encouraging JPA scholars to strive to improve themselves. Knowing the fact that additional experience, eg opitional research and academic grades do not count later on, there are some who have lost motivation, and many who have been apprehensive in taking further steps to improve themselves due to the fear that the JPAs immediate return policy might put all their effort into waste by abruptly discontinuing their work.

Starting year 2008, there will be at least 2000 Malaysian fresh medical graduates from the various public and private universities sprouting throughout the country, not to forget graduates returning from Russia, Indonesia, India and Ukraine. This number is likely to rise over the coming years. Will MOH be able to cope with the demand for training posts? Will the ministry of health be able to provide enough housemenship positions, and if yes, will these posts provide high quality training, as the saying goes 'too many cooks spoil the soup'? In the long term, will the ministry of health be able to provide enough specialist opportunities, considering its eagerness to do away with MRCP and only recognize the local masters program? My fear is that there will be a bottleneck down the pipeline, and many competent doctors will be failed by JPA and the ministry of health's poor planning. Henceforth, to lessen the burden on the Malaysian Healthcare system, it would only be simple common sense to allow those graduating from foreign universities who are offered good opportunities to continue with their post graduate training overseas without having to return immediately, as it is the easiest way to gain access to train in these countries.

During one of the talks given by JPA officials who visited Ireland, a student raised a question on the rationale of JPAs 'immediate return policies'. The officer in charge went in a rage and accused the people who wanted to stay as 'just wanting to earn money'. I could not believe the narrow mindedness behind these words. For one, what is wrong with earning money? Also, many JPA scholars are top achievers, and view further career advancement as the driving force behind their intention to remain and continue training overseas. The plight of these JPA scholars has fallen on deaf ears of the JPA authorities. Many of JPA's policy makers are not doctors themselves. How are they to understand the need of good training even at a post graduate level.

Finally, I would like to stress that all JPA scholars love their country, and would love to return to serve. However to my view, it would be better to return after adequate exposure to first world healthcare, as this would bring the most benefit to the rakyat. I am also fully aware that a contract is a contract, (despite the fact JPA changed the contract one-sidedly half way through our training from a penalty of RM160,000 to approximately a million ringgit) without prior warning), and if JPA remains adamant to prevent its scholars to further develop their skills overseas, the only thing we can do is to return as housemen. The authorities in JPA, however, should understand that to attract talent in the public service, the more effective methods would be by improving pay, ensuring fairness by meritocracy and adequate training opportunities,. By using brute force, many may return, but only with the intention of leaving as soon as the bond imposed is over.
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/23/pli...lars/#more-1107

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How do you know there are 400+K of students per cohort?? Any source to verify this? Btw, i am talking about TER for SAM, not SPM. Good SPM results don't usually translates into good Pre U results (A level especially)
As i have mentioned before, although it is the last common exam for Msian students, it's debatable marking scheme makes it an ineffective tool to measure one's ability/eligibility. Pre U result is more accurate. Although there are many Pre U programs around, it's still far better than using SPM as benchmark. If not, why do you think medical schools look at Pre U result rather than SPM???

Btw, just curious, which medical school are you from? Or you are already working?? how come you got so much free time to be so active in this forum??  sweat.gif Or perhaps my time management is bad  laugh.gif
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you could have just googled it, but anyway, nah........

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thu...icle/index_html

you are still not understanding what i am saying.......i am NOT saying you choose medical students from form 5.......i beginning to sound like a stuck record.......potential medical students MUST undergo a formal matriculation programme, be it stpm, matrik, sam, a levels, cpu whatever......and these students selected from the top 5%........since it is difficult to equate these different matriculation pathways, the nearest COMMON exam that ALL these students go through can be used as a rough yardstick......on the assumption that the top 5% performers at spm will also be the top 5% performers at their subsequent respective matriculation.......of course it WILL NOT correlate completely but it would correlate enough to be a basis for determining if a potential student has been selected on merit.........it is NOT exact science.....

20k students is more than enough to select 3k for medicine........


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:03 amand in reply to the jpa scholar, if you accept the scholarship, accept the conditions attached.........too many jpa scholars break their bond, it has become a bit of a joke........in the interview, some are asking what the bond penalty is if they break the bond, even before they are given the scholarship.......

if you want to stay back there, DON'T take the scholarship........jpa scholars are spending taxpayers money......lots of it, and the least they can do is to return and repay their social debt by returning to provide their much needed service......

the issue on meritocracy (or the lack of ) in service matters is a different kettle of fish altogether.......staying back in foreign countries for housejobs and 'training' does NOT solve the problem........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 11:55 PM)
you could have just googled it, but anyway, nah........

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thu...icle/index_html

you are still not understanding what i am saying.......i am NOT saying you choose medical students from form 5.......i beginning to sound like a stuck record.......potential medical students MUST undergo a formal matriculation programme, be it stpm, matrik, sam, a levels, cpu whatever......and these students selected from the top 5%........since it is difficult to equate these different matriculation pathways, the nearest COMMON exam that ALL these students go through can be used as a rough yardstick......on the assumption that the top 5% performers at spm will also be the top 5% performers at their subsequent respective matriculation.......of course it WILL NOT correlate completely but it would correlate enough to be a basis for determining if a potential student has been selected on merit.........it is NOT exact science.....

20k students is more than enough to select 3k for medicine........


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:03 amand in reply to the jpa scholar, if you accept the scholarship, accept the conditions attached.........too many jpa scholars break their bond, it has become a bit of a joke........in the interview, some are asking what the bond penalty is if they break the bond, even before they are given the scholarship.......

if you want to stay back there, DON'T take the scholarship........jpa scholars are spending taxpayers money......lots of it, and the least they can do is to return and repay their social debt by returning to provide their much needed service......

the issue on meritocracy (or the lack of ) in service matters is a different kettle of fish altogether.......staying back in foreign countries for housejobs and 'training' does NOT solve the problem........
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Dude, you are not getting my points either. I am not saying medical schools choose candidates with SPM results. All i am asking you is why you keep on stressing that SPM is an important yardstick or benchmark for Msian students. Why not just look at their Pre U results, the med schools they graduate from (reputable or not), Med school results and clinical performance, which provide better and more accurate assessment for a doctor/medical graduate's ability.

Btw, are you in medical school or working as a doctor?

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Dude, you are not getting my points either. I am not saying medical schools choose candidates with SPM results. All i am asking you is why you keep on stressing that SPM is an important yardstick or benchmark for Msian students. Why not just look at their Pre U results, the med schools they graduate from (reputable or not), Med school results and clinical performance, which provide better and more accurate assessment for a doctor/medical graduate's ability.

Btw, are you in medical school or working as a doctor?
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pre-u (matriculation): too variable......how do you compare??

issue here is ENTRY..........med school results/performance does NOT come into the picture at this stage......

is it that difficult to understand??
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pre-u (matriculation): too variable......how do you compare??

issue here is  ENTRY..........med school results/performance does NOT come into the picture at this stage......

is it that difficult to understand??
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Why is it difficult to assess someone by their Pre U results??
For Sam, look at TER. For me, 93 and above is good.
A levels, 3 As and above is good
Canadian Pre U, more than 95 is good.

Btw, why do you care about entry so much?? Isn't med school results, clinical performance more important and are more likely to distinguish good doctors from bad ones??

Btw, you consistently avoided my question. Are you a medical student or a doctor?

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okay, since you insist.......this is just my estimate of the equivalent of top 5%

stpm: A- A- A-
matrik: cgpa 3.9
a-level: AAA
sam: ter 95 (duh)
uec: A2 A2 A2
ib: 40
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okay, since you insist.......this is just my estimate of the equivalent of top 5%

stpm: A- A- A-
matrik: cgpa 3.9
a-level: AAA
sam: ter 95 (duh)
uec: A2 A2 A2
ib: 40
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Hmm, see, it isn't too difficult after all.
Also, again i make my stand, i see no point in benchmarking a doctor/medical students with just SPM results, thanks to its falling standard and debatable marking scheme.
Again you avoided my question. ARE YOU A MEDICAL STUDENT OR A DOCTOR? I seriously see no point in debating with someone who is not in the medical field.

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Btw, why do you care about entry so much?? Isn't med school results, clinical performance more important and are more likely to distinguish good doctors from bad ones??


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aim of all this is to reduce variability to as low as possible.......this is NOT a trial and error experiment......" okay let's see, we shall take this group of students, see how they do.....oops, oh dear, we got a lot of bad ones, they just killed some patients.......bugger........." shakehead.gif

and to reduce wastage........every student kicked out is a waste of time, money, and more importantly, waste of a place and a potential doctor for the country.....

if you ever become a manager/planner for a country's health service, you will know what i mean.....


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:31 amisn't it painfully obvious from my comments?

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 12:29 AM)
aim of all this is to reduce variability to as low as possible.......this is NOT a trial and error experiment......" okay let's see, we shall take this group of students, see how they do.....oops, oh dear, we got a lot of bad ones, they just killed some patients.......bugger........." shakehead.gif


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:31 amisn't it painfully obvious from my comments?
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Dude, you talk like you dun know about medical education at all. Most well known medical schools have certain standards to be met. Therefore, failing rates are quite high for most well known medical schools (IMU, Melaka Manipal). There are also external examiners which serves as control of quality (well, this point is valid unless you wanna talk about political reasons again).

Btw, why dun you just answer my question straight, are you a medical student or doctor? Are you ashame of your school or yourself??

And since you place much emphasis on SPM, why dun you share with us your results??

And one thing you must know, not all top students willing to do medicine, as it is not a good option (long working hours, not so high pay, stress, great responsibility, etc). Therefore, entry requirement for medical schools varies from year to year.

And waste of place for potential doctor you said??? DUDE, pls make sense when you post. If there are students with better results willing to do medicine, do you think the medical schools will leave them out and take in those with lower scores instead??? So why a waste of place???

So now, you talk like you are a health director....hmmm
So who are you?? Medical student, doctor, or health director??


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 11:55 PM)
you could have just googled it, but anyway, nah........

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thu...icle/index_html

you are still not understanding what i am saying.......i am NOT saying you choose medical students from form 5.......i beginning to sound like a stuck record.......potential medical students MUST undergo a formal matriculation programme, be it stpm, matrik, sam, a levels, cpu whatever......and these students selected from the top 5%........since it is difficult to equate these different matriculation pathways, the nearest COMMON exam that ALL these students go through can be used as a rough yardstick......on the assumption that the top 5% performers at spm will also be the top 5% performers at their subsequent respective matriculation.......of course it WILL NOT correlate completely but it would correlate enough to be a basis for determining if a potential student has been selected on merit.........it is NOT exact science.....

20k students is more than enough to select 3k for medicine........
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Dude, why did you give me link to SPM results?? I am asking about SAM, of which you stated there are about 400+k students per cohort, from which the TER calculated.

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hm.... guess what they told me during my interview in IMU.... your results looks good enough to be an engineer, why do u want to be a doctor??

So which one needs better results? Doctor? or Engineer? The answer to this? It doesn't really matter, its the end results that matters.... if you are not able to pass at university level, it doesn't matter how well you did in Pre-U....

One consultant once told me.... there is no point being a brilliant/smart doctor, what we need are good and safe doctors.....
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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Mar 23 2008, 08:41 PM)
Good article.

Nevertheless, it remains a cruel truth that there are some JPA scholars (not only limited to medical students) that do not return to Malaysia and serve our country. And when that happens, all the money and effort spent by the government on those students are literally flushed down the drain.

Having said that, the problem with JPA remains with the fact that its selection is not transparent nor it is fair. I've seen people with rich backgrounds getting JPA scholars, and also students who spend like kings overseas just because JPA sponsors their budget. Yes, JPA's monthly allocation is not adequate to cover ALL expenses, but note that I'm referring to people whose family financial status are already well-off to start with.

I salute those JPA scholars who have the desire to serve our people in the future, but the fact is, there are always black sheeps which taint the image. The idea about "forcing" scholars to immediately return to the country is indeed unwise, yet is there any other better way to ensure their return? Bonds and contracts can be signed, but it's the enforcement that leaves much to be desired.

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This, is what we wish for in the future.
And add in reasonable working hours.

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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Mar 23 2008, 02:14 PM)
Yes, there shall be balance of EQ n IQ. However, it is not so easy to assess EQ compare to assess IQ because IQ can just simply take from how many score u have. However, not all those high grade does really have high IQ because u know a lot of us just do memorize more rather understanding. Still, i believe there shall be kuota for male n female. My batch was so many girl, that sometimes we have to listen them althought their idea is just simply rubbish. Majority win, huh..? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 02:52 PM)
Melbourne is unique in oz, as the one which rely purely on ter scores in selection, so most of the students actually have ter above 99.75........the other oz undergraduate med schools rely on a combination of applitude test scores (umat, isat pqa), interview, and ter......and generally, the vast majority of selected students will have a ter above 95...........
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It is crucial to be good academically (good TER) as one of the main components of being a doctor is vast knowledge.....science, diseases, drugs...etc
Thus, being smart/academically-inclined is the first step. The second step towards becoming a doctor is the clinical skills such as communication, examining patients, making decisions. This could be trained, which is why Melb Uni only takes into account the UMAT test and not interviews.

In my first 3 weeks of medical education, I've already been exposed to PBLs(diagnosing, hypothesis) and clinical methods(communication, doctor patient relationship) and I'm due to attend a field visit to a GP in 2 weeks time.

QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Mar 23 2008, 08:41 PM)
Generally, I look down on most JPA scholars. I know some people with a great personality and absolutely dedicated to their work and the country but were denied the scholarships. I guess the selection process includes some serious hanky-panky. So, to the people who actually got the scholarship...(and are complaining)... GROW UP! You wanted the scholarship, and nothing comes free, so pay/work your way out of the debt. Signing that contract with the government just killed your future, you will have to spend about 10 years working for the gov, which is why I never even applied for the scholarship.
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:37 AM)
Dude, you talk like you dun know about medical education at all. Most well known medical schools have certain standards to be met. Therefore, failing rates are quite high for most well known medical schools (IMU, Melaka Manipal). There are also external examiners which serves as control of quality (well, this point is valid unless you wanna talk about political reasons again).

Btw, why dun you just answer my question straight, are you a medical student or doctor? Are you ashame of your school or yourself??

So now, you talk like you are a health director....hmmm
So who are you?? Medical student, doctor, or health director??
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I'll say this upfront: I'm not a medical student. But if you can't tell what Limeuu is from his postings, you really need to read more between the lines.

Still, I'll give him a hand this time:
QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 12:29 AM)
aim of all this is to reduce variability to as low as possible.......this is NOT a trial and error experiment......" okay let's see, we shall take this group of students, see how they do.....oops, oh dear, we got a lot of bad ones, they just killed some patients.......bugger........." shakehead.gif

and to reduce wastage........every student kicked out is a waste of time, money, and more importantly, waste of a place and a potential doctor for the country.....

if you ever become a manager/planner for a country's health service, you will know what i mean.....


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:31 amisn't it painfully obvious from my comments?
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:37 AM)
Dude, you talk like you dun know about medical education at all. Most well known medical schools have certain standards to be met. Therefore, failing rates are quite high for most well known medical schools (IMU, Melaka Manipal). There are also external examiners which serves as control of quality (well, this point is valid unless you wanna talk about political reasons again).

Btw, why dun you just answer my question straight, are you a medical student or doctor? Are you ashame of your school or yourself??

And since you place much emphasis on SPM, why dun you share with us your results??

And one thing you must know, not all top students willing to do medicine, as it is not a good option (long working hours, not so high pay, stress, great responsibility, etc). Therefore, entry requirement for medical schools varies from year to year.

And waste of place for potential doctor you said??? DUDE, pls make sense when you post. If there are students with better results willing to do medicine, do you think the medical schools will leave them out and take in those with lower scores instead??? So why a waste of place???

So now, you talk like you are a health director....hmmm
So who are you?? Medical student, doctor, or health director??


Added on March 24, 2008, 1:21 am
Dude, why did you give me link to SPM results?? I am asking about SAM, of which you stated there are about 400+k students per cohort, from which the TER calculated.
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i am getting very disappointed that a medical student cannot understand simple concepts like this......

any student after the first few weeks, dropping or flunking out means a wasted slot in the training of doctors..........the slot cannot be replaced by another student..........you have deprived the country of one potential doctor, and another student of taking up the course.....medical schools should aim for zero drop out, which can be achieved if the right candidates are selected.....

lower scores?....no.......the reason why ipts med school are taking in low scorers is because they are the ones why can PAY the fees.....lots of better qualified, interested, and suitable students will not even apply........simply because they cannot afford......that is bad....selection based on how rich you are NOT on how good you are........

CAN YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT SAM AND THE TER? we are talking about msian, and who to select to become doctors. there are more than 400k going through spm every year, after which into many different matriculation programmes and potential doctors should be chosen from the top 5% of this cohort of 400k students......

this is a really messed up country, public funded ipta is in diasarray.......allowing the ipts to flourish......which means basically, you buy a degree.......which is fine for most courses, except for medicine.........where there MUST be controls to ensure only academically strong, applititudly appropriate students be taken in.......it is not an experiment, not trial and error.......and i think an error appears to have been committed right now.......
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QUOTE(Glyyde @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 AM)
hm.... guess what they told me during my interview in IMU.... your results looks good enough to be an engineer, why do u want to be a doctor??

So which one needs better results? Doctor? or Engineer? The answer to this? It doesn't really matter, its the end results that matters.... if you are not able to pass at university level, it doesn't matter how well you did in Pre-U....

One consultant once told me.... there is no point being a brilliant/smart doctor, what we need are good and safe doctors.....
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Most medical students/doctors should know this fact, instead of judging others based on their SPM results.

QUOTE(haya @ Mar 24 2008, 08:39 AM)
I'll say this upfront: I'm not a medical student. But if you can't tell what Limeuu is from his postings, you really need to read more between the lines.

Still, I'll give him a hand this time:
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Sorry, none of his posts suggests that he is indeed a medical student or doctor. With information widely available nowadays on the internet, any Tom, d***, and Harry can be a master of a subject of interest, even if it is outside his/her field.
IF he is a medical student or doctor, why not just admit it openly instead of giving "hints" through his posts and let people play the guessing game? Is it something to a ashamed of??

QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 08:44 AM)
i am getting very disappointed that a medical student cannot understand simple concepts like this......

any student after the first few weeks, dropping or flunking out means a wasted slot in the training of doctors..........the slot cannot be replaced by another student..........you have deprived the country of one potential doctor, and another student of taking up the course.....medical schools should aim for zero drop out, which can be achieved if the right candidates are selected.....

lower scores?....no.......the reason why ipts med school are taking in low scorers is because they are the ones why can PAY the fees.....lots of better qualified, interested, and suitable students will not even apply........simply because they cannot afford......that is bad....selection based on how rich you are NOT on how good you are........

CAN YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT SAM AND THE TER? we are talking about msian, and who to select to become doctors. there are more than 400k going through spm every year, after which into many different matriculation programmes and potential doctors should be chosen from the top 5% of this cohort of 400k students......

this is a really messed up country, public funded ipta is in diasarray.......allowing the ipts to flourish......which means basically, you buy a degree.......which is fine for most courses, except for medicine.........where there MUST be controls to ensure only academically strong, applititudly appropriate students be taken in.......it is not an experiment, not trial and error.......and i think an error appears to have been committed right now.......
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I am also disappointed that someone like you, who seems to know it all, cannot grasp the simple thing i am trying to convey here.
There are several things you need to understand:
1. Good SPM results don't translate into good pre U results, let alone indicate one's true capability, due to its falling standard, political reasons, and debatable marking scheme. So pls forget about SPM.

2. Not all students in the top 5% want to do medicine, and it does not take a genius to do medicine.

3. Medical schools have high failing rates to filter those bad apples

4. Medical schools tend to take in students with good results (mostly from top 10-15% of the cohort for local medical schools). No well known medical schools take in students with poor results over those with good ones.

5. Students with interest, good results but poor tend to apply scholarship/loan to do medicine. Also, they tend to study in countries with cheaper tuition fee. In addition, many schools tend to arrange loan/scholarship for those poor students with excellent academic results. Therefore, i don't understand about the waste of sits you mentioned, since MOST POTENTIAL DOCTORS ARE ALREADY TAKEN IN.

Also, i realized, you didn't read my posts properly. At first, i talked about TER for SAM. Then you mentioned that there are 400+K students per cohort for SAM. I then asked you for the source of information, and you posted a link to SPM results pulak doh.gif For your information, there's no TER for SPM.

QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 23 2008, 05:57 PM)
there are 400+k students per cohort .....the ter system is based purely on percentile ranking, NOT marks, so the top 5% will be 20K students plus..........these are the ones getting the straight a's in spm (what, more than 6k alone this year?) and those with mostly a's and a few b's........before anyone talk about NOT using spm again, this is the LAST common exams for msians, it doesn't matter what they do after, matrik, stpm, a levels whatever, the top 5% at spm will also produce the top 5% at the matriculation level in general........
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If you are a medical student/doctor, why not just admit it?? So are you or are you not? This question is simple yet important as i see no point in debating with someone who is not in the medical field.

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obviously you cannot understand the CONCEPT of a percentile ranking system like the oz ter system, and apply it on the local scenerio.......the bell shape curve is the same....

i think it is pointless to continue, my points are clear, i leave it to the readers to come to their own conclusion........those who can understand will understand, those who can't, or wouldn't, well......the education has failed us, and we are really taking inappropriate people into ipts med schools for money.......

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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 24 2008, 08:39 AM)
I'll say this upfront: I'm not a medical student. But if you can't tell what Limeuu is from his postings, you really need to read more between the lines.

Still, I'll give him a hand this time:
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IF he is a medical student or doctor, why not just admit it openly instead of giving "hints" through his posts and let people play the guessing game?
If you are a medical student/doctor, why not just admit it?? So are you  or are you not? This question is important as i see no point in debating with someone who is not in the medical field.
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I'm not a big fan of limeuu as we've had disagreements before, but this really gave me a laugh which I haven't had for a long time. biggrin.gif rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif

It is really obvious what his occupation is, he has said and pointed it out. Hell, even haya highlighted it. As a med student, you really shouldn't be expected to be spoon fed anymore. When you actually do see patients, you will need to be very attentive to what they say. The solution which leads to the right diagnostic might be there and you don't want to miss it, do you? By the way, out of curiosity, which uni are you getting your medical education from? Manipal?

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 10:11 AM)
obviously you cannot take the CONCEPT of a percentile ranking system like the oz ter system, and apply it on the local scenerio.......the bell shape curve is the same....

i think it is pointless to continue, my point are clear, i leave it to the readers to come to their own conclusion........those who can understand will understnad, those who can't, or wouldn't, well......the education has failed us, and we are really taking inappropriate people into ipts med schools for money.......
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Nope, i do understand the concept of TER, but i was talking about TER for SAM in my previous posts, yet you shifted your goal post to SPM. IT's like i am asking for apple, but you give me orange instead.
I don't know whether the statement in bold is directed at me, but i can proudly say i have a good enough SPM and Pre U results to be in medical course, even by your standard. smile.gif

Again, you did not answer my question, are you a medical student/doctor?? Why are you scared to answer this question?


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QUOTE(zltan @ Mar 24 2008, 10:13 AM)
I'm not a big fan of limeuu as we've had disagreements before, but this really gave me a laugh which I haven't had for a long time. biggrin.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxms.gif

It is really obvious what his occupation is, he has said and pointed it out. Hell, even haya highlighted it. As a med student, you really shouldn't be expected to be spoon fed anymore. When you actually do see patients, you will need to be very attentive to what they say. The solution which leads to the right diagnostic might be there and you don't want to miss it, do you? By the way, out of curiosity, which uni are you getting your medical education from? Manipal?
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Dude, just as i have highlighted before, information is widely available on the internet, Anyone can be a master at anything just by gathering info from the net. Therefore, i prefer to get a confirmation from him. Btw, i do get the "hint" from his post, but i just want confirmation like "i am a doctor working as planner for health service in XXXX". Statement like this carries more weight than the statement in bold below. Also, i have to post the same question several times before he finally posted up the statement in bold below. whistling.gif
QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 12:29 AM)
aim of all this is to reduce variability to as low as possible.......this is NOT a trial and error experiment......" okay let's see, we shall take this group of students, see how they do.....oops, oh dear, we got a lot of bad ones, they just killed some patients.......bugger........." shakehead.gif

and to reduce wastage........every student kicked out is a waste of time, money, and more importantly, waste of a place and a potential doctor for the country.....

if you ever become a manager/planner for a country's health service, you will know what i mean.....


Added on March 24, 2008, 12:31 amisn't it painfully obvious from my comments?
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Proof of me asking many many times before he finally posted the statement in bold above:
QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 23 2008, 06:53 PM)
How do you know there are 400+K of students per cohort?? Any source to verify this? Btw, i am talking about TER for SAM, not SPM. Good SPM results don't usually translates into good Pre U results (A level especially)
As i have mentioned before, although it is the last common exam for Msian students, it's debatable marking scheme makes it an ineffective tool to measure one's ability/eligibility. Pre U result is more accurate. Although there are many Pre U programs around, it's still far better than using SPM as benchmark. If not, why do you think medical schools look at Pre U result rather than SPM???

Btw, just curious, which medical school are you from? Or you are already working?? how come you got so much free time to be so active in this forum??  sweat.gif Or perhaps my time management is bad  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:11 AM)
Dude, you are not getting my points either. I am not saying medical schools choose candidates with SPM results. All i am asking you is why you keep on stressing that SPM is an important yardstick or benchmark for Msian students. Why not just look at their Pre U results, the med schools they graduate from (reputable or not), Med school results and clinical performance, which provide better and more accurate assessment for a doctor/medical graduate's ability.

Btw, are you in medical school or working as a doctor?
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:23 AM)
Why is it difficult to assess someone by their Pre U results??
For Sam, look at TER. For me, 93 and above is good.
A levels, 3 As and above is good
Canadian Pre U, more than 95 is good.

Btw, why do you care about entry so much?? Isn't med school results, clinical performance more important and are more likely to distinguish good doctors from bad ones??

Btw, you consistently avoided my question. Are you a medical student or a doctor?
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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 12:27 AM)
Hmm, see, it isn't too difficult after all.
Also, again i make my stand, i see no point in benchmarking a doctor/medical students with just SPM results, thanks to its falling standard and debatable marking scheme.
Again you avoided my question. ARE YOU A MEDICAL STUDENT OR A DOCTOR? I seriously see no point in debating with someone who is not in the medical field.
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Besides, this is a totally different scenario from seeing patients. Patients usually dun lie, but forummers, on the other hand, can lie about anything they want. Also, you can tell whether a patient is telling lies by looking at his/her facial expression. And all i see in this forum are words and emocons. wink.gif

Yes, i am from Manipal. You are from Melbourne right? Gosh, i have always dreamed of going there, but just dun have the money as well as the results to enter (getting TER 99 for SAM is seriously crazy). What did you do for pre U? SAM, Trinity college or A level??

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somebody blew a fuse? biggrin.gif

zltan, i still think mel is an overpriced place, and many seems to agree, see the monash thread.....but at least in the areas that matters, they stick to their standards....... thumbup.gif

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hey guys just asking, can i enter the medical programme at imu if i do asasi programs at local iptas such as um, uiam and uitm? cuz i just called and they said they do accept. just wanna double check
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Hello all,

Fascinating thread.
I just have a question- where's the best place to buy medical textbooks around the kl/subang/sunway/pj area? The reason I ask is because I'll be going back for a short holiday before med starts, figured I'd save a wad of cash and buy books back there instead.
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QUOTE(lagrima @ Mar 24 2008, 02:53 PM)
Hello all,

Fascinating thread.
I just have a question- where's the best place to buy medical textbooks around the kl/subang/sunway/pj area? The reason I ask is because I'll be going back for a short holiday before med starts, figured I'd save a wad of cash and buy books back there instead.
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u can drop by at Pekan Buku UM, located at on the way to Menara Timur, near Radiology Department of UMMC
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 08:44 AM)
any student after the first few weeks, dropping or flunking out means a wasted slot in the training of doctors..........the slot cannot be replaced by another student..........you have deprived the country of one potential doctor, and another student of taking up the course.....medical schools should aim for zero drop out, which can be achieved if the right candidates are selected.....
I beg to differ on this point. UK med school goes through tough selections of students from top 5% of A-Level students. And yet, the failing rate remains around 10% per year. Why is that? Is it bcos they actually have to take in student of top 3% instead? Or its boils down to whether an individual could actually becomes a doctor or have the knowledge and skills to become one?

After graduation, exams such as MRCP or MRCS holds such a high failure rate. Does that means people who can't pass at first try shouldn't become a doctor in the first place? Does that means despite passing finals (in UK/Oz/US), they are not good enough still as they can't pass the post-grad exams?

Another reason for medical schools not to have 100% passing rate... quite a lot of them use the bell shape approach... in a way that there will be certain amount of students failing a particular exams... unless all of them score like 70 and above or somethhing like that.....
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QUOTE(Glyyde @ Mar 24 2008, 04:42 PM)
I beg to differ on this point. UK med school goes through tough selections of students from top 5% of A-Level students. And yet, the failing rate remains around 10% per year. Why is that? Is it bcos they actually have to take in student of top 3% instead? Or its boils down to whether an individual could actually becomes a doctor or have the knowledge and skills to become one?

After graduation, exams such as MRCP or MRCS holds such a high failure rate. Does that means people who can't pass at first try shouldn't become a doctor in the first place? Does that means despite passing finals (in UK/Oz/US), they are not good enough still as they can't pass the post-grad exams?

Another reason for medical schools not to have 100% passing rate... quite a lot of them use the bell shape approach... in a way that there will be certain amount of students failing a particular exams... unless all of them score like 70 and above or somethhing like that.....
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and that's NOT from lack of trying........you think they purposely want to fail 10%?
nobody gets it 100%, but all tries to reduce drop outs to as low as possible....NO, they don't use the normal curve to fail people.......key principles here are competent, knowledgable and SAFE......

people drop out for many reasons, not just failures........so many drop-outs are beyond control......if you are studying in uk now, you will know changing courses and dropping out is very common there, for all the other courses, some as much as 50% will drop change course........but they try their level best to minimise this for courses like medicine and dentistry.......

but because of this, it is okay for msia med schools to be lax with the selection process, and fail people along the way?....the logic escapes me....

as for post graduate, that is a completely different ball game......and you are absolutely right......many doctors will NOT be cut out for specialisation......there will be a further sieveing process........in that area, msia also is messed up....but that is another story......
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I was just merely pointing out to u 100% passing rate are not possible.... not just in medicine, but pretty much every single other courses as well....

Quite a lot of places do indeed use the curve to manipulate the scores... not to fail ppl, but to pass more ppl....

I've seen ppl who did badly in secondary schools and not so well in A-level, but then flourish once they went into med school.... I've also seen brilliant students, straights A's in SPM, top 5% in SAM, and then struggle like crazy when they started doing medicine....

at the end of the day, it comes down to the individuals.... as much as med school trys to choose the 'right' person, there are no way of picking 'the one' until they started med school.... which is why the drop out rate in medicine is higher than other courses....

It doesn't means msia med school are allowed to be lax in their selection process.... that I can't comment, but at least they are doing the right thing to filter out the students on the way....
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QUOTE(hyperx @ Mar 24 2008, 05:55 PM)
u can drop by at Pekan Buku UM, located at on the way to Menara Timur, near Radiology Department of UMMC
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Thanks for that. Now to test whatever knowledge I have of KL roads again. They seem to morph everytime I go back.


Meanwhile, alot of you discuss the methods employed by the selection committee in determining who gets to do med. I don't know what the interviewing process is like elsewhere, but when I had to do mine, we had 8 mini one-on-one interviews (~10 min each) that aimed at uncovering different aspects of our character, thought processes, etc. The interviewer was not so much interested in your answers (there weren't right or wrong answers to the situations presented) as he was in HOW you come to each answer and WHY. It tested your observation skills, listening skills, communication skills, leadership skill as well as how well you presented an idea or an answer. Also, this made it fair for all the candidates as everyone was interviewed by the same interviewers and the results tallied. This is obviously a step forward from the good 'ol days of a panel of 2 or 3 interviewers asking "So why do you wanna become a doctor" and the student happily replying "I've known since I was born that I wanted to be an oncology radiologist".

Which brings me to my next point- What about the students themselves? How do they decide they want to do medicine? I think it's safe to say most med students agree that med school was nothing like they imagined, and nobody could've prepared them for it. I believe the merits of even the best selection committee is lost on unprepared students who don't understand what a huge commitment medicine actually is. Which brings me to my last point- there isn't enough information for wannabe med students out there. To educate them on their choices, I think, would mean to see a reduction in applications, and thus better 'performance' from a selection process and ultimately, fewer dropouts.

After all, you can't just wake up one day 3 years later and realise you don't like what you're doing. You come away with nothing.
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Based on your own admission that:

QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 10:18 AM)
Anyone can be a master at anything just by gathering info from the net. Therefore, i prefer to get a confirmation from him. Btw, i do get the "hint" from his post, but i just want confirmation like "i am a doctor working as planner for health service in XXXX". Statement like this carries more weight than the statement in bold below.

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Does it make a difference if Limeuu says that he is Dr A. Orang, the Assoc. Prof. of UMMC when in fact, he might be just the person in your neighbourhood selling Digi reload cards? Personally, he could be the the neighbourhood handphone shop owner for all I care. Agree or disagree with him, he has some very valid points, regardless if he is a doctor or not.

That said, I find it hard to understand why you can't tell what Limeuu is. Are you so poor in reading things in context that you must have someone come up to you and tell you in your face?

QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 24 2008, 10:18 AM)
Besides, this is a totally different scenario from seeing patients. Patients usually dun lie, but forummers, on the other hand, can lie about anything they want. Also, you can tell whether a patient is telling lies by looking at his/her facial expression. And all i see in this forum are words and emocons.  wink.gif
Believe me hypermax, in the real world patients will rarely give you the right information.



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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 24 2008, 07:02 PM)
Based on your own admission that:
Does it make a difference if Limeuu says that he is Dr A. Orang, the Assoc. Prof. of UMMC when in fact, he might be just the person in your neighbourhood selling Digi reload cards? Personally, he could be the the neighbourhood handphone shop owner for all I care. Agree or disagree with him, he has some very valid points, regardless if he is a doctor or not.

That said, I find it hard to understand why you can't tell what Limeuu is. Are you so poor in reading things in context that you must have someone come up to you and tell you in your face?
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Well first of all, he sounds like someone who doesn't know anything about medicine yet wanna give comments as if he knows all about medicine. Why the emphasis on SPM to determine someone's eligibility in medical course? Just because it is the common pathway for most Msian students? If that's the case, why med schools in Malaysia, as well as other courses, don't take in student based on SPM results? Is it a guarantee that good SPM results translate into good Pre U results?? Why is there a need for PRe U then??
I am not saying that good results are not necessary for med school intake. All i am saying is selection of students into med school should be based on Pre U results, English proficiency, attitude, and etc, but not on SPM. If fact, SPM shouldn't even play a role in the selection process. Any people been through med school will tell you that SPM is not of any use. Just ask around.

Doesn't it strike you that he didn't answer my question directly after i have asked him so many times?? And i prefer people answer directly to my question, which is polite.

Example, if you are a doctor, and people ask you what's your occupation, how will you answer??
1. "I am a very busy man. When you become a doctor, then you will know what i mean"
2. "I am a doctor"

QUOTE(haya @ Mar 24 2008, 07:02 PM)
Believe me hypermax, in the real world patients will rarely give you the right information.
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Is it logical for patients to lie about their conditions when they are ill?? Do they not want to receive proper treatment?? They might lie about other things (monthly income), but certainly, not their conditions. Unless the patients are suffering from Munchausen's syndrome.


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QUOTE(Glyyde @ Mar 24 2008, 06:37 PM)
I was just merely pointing out to u 100% passing rate are not possible.... not just in medicine, but pretty much every single other courses as well....

Quite a lot of places do indeed use the curve to manipulate the scores... not to fail ppl, but to pass more ppl....

I've seen ppl who did badly in secondary schools and not so well in A-level, but then flourish once they went into med school.... I've also seen brilliant students, straights A's in SPM, top 5% in SAM, and then struggle like crazy when they started doing medicine....

at the end of the day,  it comes down to the individuals.... as much as med school trys to choose the 'right' person, there are no way of picking 'the one' until they started med school.... which is why the drop out rate in medicine is higher than other courses....

It doesn't means msia med school are allowed to be lax in their selection process.... that I can't comment, but at least they are doing the right thing to filter out the students on the way....
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it appears there are two view points amongst student here now......

a few wants/expects/experienced thorough vetting for potential med students, and understands the need to minimise drop-outs, and ensure only qualified students be taken in.....

others wants it to be as easy as possible, on the basis that one cannot know if one will coup with the course or not till one starts, or that one will become a good doctor or not till one graduates, and wants to allow all who can afford the fees to have a go at it, and see if they will make it.........

no price for guessing which group of students will support which model of entry selection........

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Is it logical for patients to lie about their conditions when they are ill?? Do they not want to receive proper treatment?? They might lie about other things (monthly income), but certainly, not their conditions. Unless the patients are suffering from Munchausen's syndrome.
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it appears there are two view points amongst student here now......

a few wants/expects/experienced thorough vetting for potential med students, and understands the need to minimise drop-outs, and ensure only qualified students be taken in.....

others wants it to be as easy as possible, on the basis that one cannot know if one will coup with the course or not till one starts, or that one will become a good doctor or not till one graduates, and wants to allow all who can afford the fees to have a go at it, and see if they will make it.........

no price for guessing which group of students will support which model of entry selection........
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well.... if one take on a view points like yours in the 2 extreme end, then yes, there will be 2 different groups.

The point I have been trying to make has always been the importance of the student themselves being able to complete the medical course. Despite having strict intake, chances of dropping out will still be high, unfortunately, this is how medical training was, is, and will be....

It all boils down to the need of striking a balance between this 2 'viewpoints' of yours. There is no point being on either extreme end, that would not ensure low dropout rates or anything.... as at the end of the day, it depends on the student themselves....

btw, I'm no medical student.... tongue.gif
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well.... if one take on a view points like yours in the 2 extreme end, then yes, there will be 2 different groups.

The point I have been trying to make has always been the importance of the student themselves being able to complete the medical course. Despite having strict intake, chances of dropping out will still be high, unfortunately, this is how medical training was, is, and will be....

It all boils down to the need of striking a balance between this 2 'viewpoints' of yours. There is no point being on either extreme end, that would not ensure low dropout rates or anything.... as at the end of the day, it depends on the student themselves....

btw, I'm no medical student....  tongue.gif
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if in spite of strict intake, there is still dropout (actually 10% is considered low, and a target to achieve) imagine lax intake and the same high standards apply, how high the dropout will be........

in any case, some here will say you have no right to make comments then..........
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ppl who would be able to read between the lines would know what I am.... haahaa.... I thought that is the rule here? tongue.gif
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dunno about reading between the lines, but reading your lines, you said not med student woh, and someone said not med student or doctor cannot comment woh, so how?
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reading the lines, not medical students cannot be some other things?
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okay then, not med student, but doctor....can comment lah.....so you went through strict selection process, or sup sup sui one?
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I went through IMU.... I was horrible with my SPM..... but now I pass MRCP Part 1 and obviously med school at first try.....
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imu belongs to the 2nd category, although not as sup sup sui as some others.....the entry process is pretty bland, and cut off this year a low ter 91......but for the pms stream, to satisfy the pms' requirements, certain minimum standards has to be kept, so they liberally kick people out, after pocketing their fees.....i suppose it is not too bad, it's just daddy's money......

that system would be a no no for ipta, using public tax money........but we all know not the best get selected there as well, in compliance with certain policies........

but if you sub-stratify ipta students, the retention rate amongst those who really deserve to be there is close to 100%, so strict selection does work........we all know how strict is strict in ipta for this group.........

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I went through IMU.... I was horrible with my SPM..... but now I pass MRCP Part 1 and obviously med school at first try.....
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it comes back to the previous statements isn't it? Does it means that IMU can't produce good doctors? Does it means someone that did not do well in SPM can't become a doctor? MRCP part 1 passing rate is 35% as well.... just a reminder.... now.... that really have a cut off point for passing rate.... haahaa
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it comes back to the previous statements isn't it? Does it means that IMU can't produce good doctors? Does it means someone that did not do well in SPM can't become a doctor? MRCP part 1 passing rate is 35% as well.... just a reminder.... now.... that really have a cut off point for passing rate.... haahaa
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of course not, there are alway exceptions, and you may be the one..... biggrin.gif

the fact remains that the tighter the selection process, the higher the retention rate......it never reaches 100% of course........

straight question 1: would you have made it straight into uk/oz?

straight question 2: if strict selection had been used, and you didn't make it, but someone else with better academic performance is in your place, (ie money, or lack of, not in the equation) would he do any worse than you?
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I did UEC, so none of those country would take me in straight away.... haahaa... so can't compare

Q2: Lots of my classmates dropped off (in UK), where they went through strict selections.... so erm.... they did worse than me.... some qualified doctors who sat the MRCP with me apparently is trying for his 7th time....
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what i am trying to say is, in the 2nd model, there is intrinsic injustice, in the sense that good students with potential to be good doctors cannot get in (just below the high ipta cutoff, no money) whereas less deserving students gets in with money........and that sits very poorly in countries where the sense of fairness is strong, eg uk/oz........and sits very poorly in my own sense of justice as well.......


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I did UEC, so none of those country would take me in straight away.... haahaa... so can't compare

Q2: Lots of my classmates dropped off (in UK), where they went through strict selections.... so erm.... they did worse than me.... some qualified doctors who sat the MRCP with me apparently is trying for his 7th time....
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uec is a pretty tough exam......uk/oz do recognise (ironically, msia do not), but i do not know anyone getting direct into medicine with that though......lots in engineering etc.....

don't use the british home student as a model.......they drop off because they loose interest, not because they are unable to cope, and suffers no penalty for doing so........in any case, are you sure?......people don't normally drop off by 3rd year, which is where you join them.......

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they can't pass their exams.... should that be consider as drop-off? or pretty much not able to pass?

I have a friend who so wanted to pass and become a doctor.... but hell, he kept on resitting and just can't do it.....

btw, UEC is not that tough..... haahaa.... its a myth
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those who are academically strong, if they start failing exams, they have lost interest.....or got distracted.......or demotivated......it's not because they are stupid.......
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Mine is quite interesting. Ive never apply UiTM for medical shcool since there is no application at all. I apply for ohter university such as UM, UKM. Is that somehow i just receive letter from UiTM that i was enrolled to its medical school


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Fascinating thread.
I just have a question- where's the best place to buy medical textbooks around the kl/subang/sunway/pj area? The reason I ask is because I'll be going back for a short holiday before med starts, figured I'd save a wad of cash and buy books back there instead.
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I'll recomend u at Kamal Bookstore just infront of HKL near bulatan pahang. Honestly, they can sell u more cheaper once bargain

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btw, UEC is not that tough..... haahaa.... its a myth
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that means you are academically strong....i know uec......


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Mine is quite interesting. Ive never apply UiTM for medical shcool since there is no application at all. I apply for ohter university such as UM, UKM. Is that somehow i just receive letter from UiTM that i was enrolled to its medical school


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I'll recomend u at Kamal Bookstore just infront of HKL near bulatan pahang. Honestly, they can sell u more cheaper once bargain
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they still pirate the books?....some look almost original!! blink.gif

1st few batches uitm?........headhunting lah........all new ipta med schools do that........they need to ensure the 1st 5 batches be excellent to build up reputation...... that's the time they adopt the 1st model........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:10 AM)
that means you are academically strong....i know uec......


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they still pirate the books?....some look almost original!! blink.gif
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books at kamal only slightly cheaper than books at Pekan Buku wor.. plus very hard to find parking

i want to ask ppl studying @ overseas.. do the medical exams in ur wherever country u are standardize for each uni?

the questions may not be the same, but the standard are equal.. there is such thing?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
it appears there are two view points amongst student here now......

a few wants/expects/experienced thorough vetting for potential med students, and understands the need to minimise drop-outs, and ensure only qualified students be taken in.....

others wants it to be as easy as possible, on the basis that one cannot know if one will coup with the course or not till one starts, or that one will become a good doctor or not till one graduates, and wants to allow all who can afford the fees to have a go at it, and see if they will make it.........

no price for guessing which group of students will support which model of entry selection........
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By not taking SPM into consideration during selection of medical students means lax requirement?? hmm.gif
Interesting concept.
So now Glyyde has properly introduced himself. I guess it's your turn now. So let's assume that you are a doctor working as a manager for health service, did you go through strict selection process or sup sup sui one???

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No, some patients lie when do don't want you to find out something about their life which they feel insecure. Some patients just want some medical prescription for something else. Some patients do not want to accept the truth that their illness is due to a certain thing.
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Yes, as you've rightly said, only some. Majority of the patients want to recover, therefore will tell the truth about their conditions so that they can receive appropriate treatment.
You dun have to go through medical education to know this. It is common sense. doh.gif


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ppl who would be able to read between the lines would know what I am.... haahaa.... I thought that is the rule here? tongue.gif
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biggrin.gif Good one thumbup.gif
We seriously need more medical students and doctors to post in this thread, instead of someone not in medical field who kept telling people to read between lines. tongue.gif

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that means you are academically strong....i know uec......
but I did badly in SPM and PMR.... or even UPSR.... went independent school cos can't get into form 1... haahaa
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but I did badly in SPM and PMR.... or even UPSR.... went independent school cos can't get into form 1... haahaa
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rubbish.......everyone can get to form 5, no matter what results you have in upsr, pmr.......people in chinese middle school are there because they want to be.....
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not at all.... I went there bcos I can't get into form 1.... need to do remove (neva know how to spell that) back in those days... so I chose independent school.... haahaa
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Glyyde, is MRCP tough? Can non EU graduates still take MRCP?
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not that old lar..... ngam ngam last year of it..... damn.... tongue.gif but no regrets, I enjoyed my time in Chong Hwa

MRCP is tough.... 35% passing rate are no joke.... but u just need to prepare for it properly and it shouldn't be a problem..... everyone can take MRCP.... outside UK, it cost more to sit for the exam....
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not that old lar..... ngam ngam last year of it..... damn.... tongue.gif but no regrets, I enjoyed my time in Chong Hwa

MRCP is tough.... 35% passing rate are no joke.... but u just need to prepare for it properly and it shouldn't be a problem..... everyone can take MRCP.... outside UK, it cost more to sit for the exam....
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But i heard now non EU students cannot take up training post in UK. So is it still possible to obtain MRCP for non EU graduate?
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MRCP has nothing to do with training in UK.... that is a completely different thing really....
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But i heard now non EU students cannot take up training post in UK. So is it still possible to obtain MRCP for non EU graduate?
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i tink some royal colleges will conduct MRCP exams outside UK, and most of it in HK/Spore, so as long as u register for the exam, u'll sit for it. it's not a specialty traning post/residency, and neither it will lead u to become a specialist. but i heard it makes u more qualified for residency

btw, i'm not really sure
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the exams have now been de-coupled from cst.......again........as it had always been in the past......for a while, during coupling, you can only sit for the exams if you are in an official numbered job......


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not at all.... I went there bcos I can't get into form 1.... need to do remove (neva know how to spell that) back in those days... so I chose independent school.... haahaa
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it is still your choice........everybody can go to national schools, just that if you are from srjk, you need to have an extra year in transition.........no matter if you got straight a's in upsr......

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It depends. But pirate book is only very few. Hmm...sounds like u been there before
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i want to ask ppl studying @ overseas.. do the medical exams in ur wherever country u are standardize for each uni?

the questions may not be the same, but the standard are equal.. there is such thing?
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Yup they're pretty similar. The curriculum itself is almost the same, since unis that just opened a medical faculty essentially 'buy' the curriculum off other more established unis. Also I've got friends doing their clinical rotations with students from other unis and they're pretty much on par with each other.

(I'm in Queensland, Australia)

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oh WHAT? ah crap. I can get in trouble here for using pirated books. I'll be having a look anyhoos. Thanks heaps smile.gif


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Yup they're pretty similar. The curriculum itself is almost the same, since unis that just opened a medical faculty essentially 'buy' the curriculum off other more established unis. Also I've got friends doing their clinical rotations with students from other unis and they're pretty much on par with each other.

(I'm in Queensland, Australia)
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it's not pirated books there. Most of the books were printed in India with limited copyright, thus it can't be sold in most advanced countries like US/Canada, UK/Europe, Aus, Japan.


Added on March 25, 2008, 10:34 amu were from IMU? somemore wif a undergrad degree ady izzit? Queensland is postgrad entry right.

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hey guys just asking, can i enter the medical programme at imu if i do asasi programs at local iptas such as um, uiam and uitm? cuz i just called and they said they do accept. just wanna double check
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hey guys just asking, can i enter the medical programme at imu if i do asasi programs at local iptas such as um, uiam and uitm? cuz i just called and they said they do accept. just wanna double check
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I'm not quite sure about this since I have no idea what asasi courses are, but did you call IMU or your local IPTS? If you called IMU, and they said yes, then it should be yes.
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yeah i did call imu and they did say yes cuz the local asasi programmes are considered matriculation for them and the min. requirement is 85%. so yeah i just wanted ot double check. better safe than sorry i always say
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i doubt anyone of us tried this b4. Hey, IMU and UM/Uitm asasi r completely from diff world. Most IMU students came from SAM, Alevels, UEC, and mabbe a few STPM.

Dun u feel ashamed not being able to get into UM/Uitm medicine after completing their asasi, when some can get in thro STPM (which is a tougher route)?
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Queensland has both undergrad and postgrad entry, depending on the uni.
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Nah I'm not from IMU. I'm postgrad (did a previous science related honours degree here), but I'm enrolled in an undergrad med degree.
Queensland has both undergrad and postgrad entry, depending on the uni.
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i tink some royal colleges will conduct MRCP exams outside UK, and most of it in HK/Spore, so as long as u register for the exam, u'll sit for it. it's not a specialty traning post/residency, and neither it will lead u to become a specialist. but i heard it makes u more qualified for residency

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MRCP is conducted all over the world. Malaysia has sitings for each of the 3 parts once a year respectively. So does Singapore. It is still a very popular exam in Malaysia, especially among the non-Malay doctors. It is equivalent to MMED(UKM/UM/UPM/USM/UIA/or whatever public universities that offer it), MMED(Singapore....essentially the same exam), ABIM in regards to being a physician in Malaysia. For MMED(Malaysia), the gazettement period is 6 months, the rest 18 months. MMED(Mal) is actually a good training programme...4 years, but not recognised anywhere else in the world. The rest are.


ASFAIK, all local MBBS programme are only recognised in Malaysia, except for MBBS from UM and UKM which was recently recognised by Singapore too. Singapore recognises the above 2 universities for one reason only......coz they want to recruit them. Singapore is very short of medical doctors, so they are very actively recruiting fresh graduates from the above 2 universities for starting from housemanship. The pay is way way better, not mentioning the training. So for UM and UKM medical students, you have a very good option for you all once you graduate.....and it is based on meritocracy, no preference at all for even local Singaporeans!
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MRCP is conducted all over the world. Malaysia has sitings for each of the 3 parts once a year respectively. So does Singapore. It is still a very popular exam in Malaysia, especially among the non-Malay doctors. It is equivalent to MMED(UKM/UM/UPM/USM/UIA/or whatever public universities that offer it), MMED(Singapore....essentially the same exam), ABIM in regards to being a physician in Malaysia. For MMED(Malaysia), the gazettement period is 6 months, the rest 18 months. MMED(Mal) is actually a good training programme...4 years, but not recognised anywhere else in the world. The rest are.
ASFAIK, all local MBBS programme are only recognised in Malaysia, except for MBBS from UM and UKM which was recently recognised by Singapore too. Singapore recognises the above 2 universities for one reason only......coz they want to recruit them. Singapore is very short of medical doctors, so they are very actively recruiting fresh graduates from the above 2 universities for starting from housemanship. The pay is way way better, not mentioning the training. So for UM and UKM medical students, you have a very good option for you all once you graduate.....and it is based on meritocracy, no preference at all for even local Singaporeans!
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MRCP is conducted all over the world. Malaysia has sitings for each of the 3 parts once a year respectively. So does Singapore. It is still a very popular exam in Malaysia, especially among the non-Malay doctors. It is equivalent to MMED(UKM/UM/UPM/USM/UIA/or whatever public universities that offer it), MMED(Singapore....essentially the same exam), ABIM in regards to being a physician in Malaysia. For MMED(Malaysia), the gazettement period is 6 months, the rest 18 months. MMED(Mal) is actually a good training programme...4 years, but not recognised anywhere else in the world. The rest are.
ASFAIK, all local MBBS programme are only recognised in Malaysia, except for MBBS from UM and UKM which was recently recognised by Singapore too. Singapore recognises the above 2 universities for one reason only......coz they want to recruit them. Singapore is very short of medical doctors, so they are very actively recruiting fresh graduates from the above 2 universities for starting from housemanship. The pay is way way better, not mentioning the training. So for UM and UKM medical students, you have a very good option for you all once you graduate.....and it is based on meritocracy, no preference at all for even local Singaporeans!
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Thx for the explanation. btw, can't really understand wif MMed in Msia, u r considered as a specialist right, but not wif MRCP. izzit true?

and for the current British system, MRCP will lead u to FRCP, which is a specialist qualification right, so wat is the equivalent of MMed (Mal)? Do they haf to sit for FRCP as well?

and wat do u mean "the rest"?

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frcp is honorary.......the 'speciailst' qualification is mrcp.....but that is considered an 'entrance' qualification' only there......they have something called cst......certificate of specialist training.......at the end of your medical speciality training......the pathway for surgical training if different.......

mrcp's after a period of time, and upon recommendations by senior fellows, will be award frcp........no exams........

mrcp+18 mths=mmed+6 mths........gazettement as specialist.......equal status......

'rest' means any other pathway other than mmed.......ie, non-msian pathway.......
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IMU student here, currently in Sem 2. Under JPA sponsorship.
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still doing pbl at 2am now
act referring prof robinson folder from i drive
for those who studying in medical schools which have PBL, how do u think of PBL?

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still doing pbl at 2am now
act referring prof robinson folder from i drive
for those who studying in medical schools which have PBL, how do u think of PBL?
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I find discussing and finding information during pbls very useful and good. I've done 2 so far and I enjoy their little 'stories'. biggrin.gif
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the intergrated pbl system is definitely more interesting for students.......the downside is, without a complete syllabus cover, there will be gaps (and sometimes big holes) in the students' knowledge of the basic sciences......it can be frightening to find the dark holes in knowledge of some of these fresh graduates........

the old system is dry.....very dry......much rote learning without seeing the relevance in the beginning........but armed with this basic background knowledge, everything clicks into place in the clinical years, and throughout your working life.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 4 2008, 08:47 AM)
the intergrated pbl system is definitely more interesting for students.......the downside is, without a complete syllabus cover, there will be gaps (and sometimes big holes) in the students' knowledge of the basic sciences......it can be frightening to find the dark holes in knowledge of some of these fresh graduates........

the old system is dry.....very dry......much rote learning without seeing the relevance in the beginning........but armed with this basic background knowledge, everything clicks into place in the clinical years, and throughout your working life.........
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dat's true, eventhough the traditional system is dry, but it equips us with the impt concepts medstudents nid to know. somehow PBL might lead u into extensive findings which r quite irrrelevant for a medstudent, to satisfy the desire to understand the whole area of a certain subject, without grasping the again, impt concepts.

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anyone did foundation in science b4 joining the medical field?i'm doin it rite now and i wonder will it be hard to achieve 3.0CGPA in it..i'm planning to go Russia's Moscow Medical Academy..recognized??
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Apr 4 2008, 10:55 AM)
dat's true, eventhough the traditional system is dry, but it equips us with the impt concepts medstudents nid to know. somehow PBL might lead u into extensive findings which r quite irrrelevant for a medstudent, to satisfy the desire to understand the whole area of a certain subject, without grasping the again, impt concepts.
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Is the traditional system just lectures and clinicals? Pardon me, but I don't really know how medicine was taught last time except that there was plenty of lectures.


For me, my weekly uni classes are:
8 basic science lectures
1 PBL
1 Health Practice lecture
1 Health Practice tute
1 ICM tute
0/1/2 pracs

But, I think it is the same right now too, regarding the lectures. So, I don't understand how the "old" doctors have more understanding of concepts while the 'fresh' doctors do not.
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traditionally, pre-clinical basic sciences were/(still are, in some places) taught as stand-alone subjects, ie physiology, anatomy, biochemistry, pathology, pharmacology, microbiology, etc.......in a mixture of lectures, practicals, tutorials etc...but each subject is covered separately, but comprehensively in a complete syllabus.....therefore the coverage of each subject is complete, but poorly or not linked at all to the other subjects......

the intergrated system takes these different aspects of medical sciences, and lump them together into organ systems, so say when you cover the respiratory system, you will cover the anatomical, physiological, pathological, biochemical etc aspects of respiration.........the trouble is, there are always 'orphan' topics or information, that doesn't pigeon-holed into the standard organ systems......and they often get missed out.....usually because much of pbl is self directed learning, and the student will NOT know what he has missed, obviously......and the usual random matching of tutors and students means that the tutors themselves do NOT know what the student have covered, or NOT covered.....

understand now? good med schools tries to minimise this by setting some kind of comprehensive syllabus as a guide, or assigning a permanent tutor to a group, who can then monitor the progress more thoroughly, at the price of not benefiting from the variety that different tutors brings.......and if you are stuck with a lousy lazy tutor, tough luck......
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pbl is a good way in which it can bring the pren-clinical medical students into a 'life' clinical practice..
you will get to know as to why the nephrotic patients' have puffiness of the eye or anywhere on the body, plus the red cell cast finding in the urine UFEME; for instance.
but, enough said, its all depends on the fascillitator who took over the pbl sessions.
like in my school, most of the sessions are being fascilitated by a non-practicing doctor (anatomist/pathologist/biochemist). in the end, if you end up being with a pathologist, they will want you to discuss more on the pathology informations( the ever so extensive details on the pathological course and histopathological findings) rather than bragging about all the crucially-important anatomical aspect of the disease.
wat i wanna suggest here is that, the clinical lecturers should co-operate and play a role in teaching this freshly-newbie medical students so that hopefully when they all come to the clinical years, they do know what are the things that they should emphasize on, and most importantly, utilizing all the basic sciences that they have learned during pre-clinical years..
wat can be seen now, its like the pre-clinical stuff are being stacked far far away when the pre-clinical students enter the clinical practice..


Added on April 6, 2008, 12:04 pmanybody in here who can help me on this..?
im considering of doing a specialty in neurosurgery.may i know wat are the routes/options that i have to take in order to be one..?
i have been told by the senior neurosurgeon medical officer that malaysia has started to recruit@train those who are interested to take neurosurgeon as a specialty but ofcourse, it will be under the recommendation from the senior specialist.
the training is somewhere in usm if im not mistaken..just wanna know in detail about this and any other methods available..
thanx in advance

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graduate first, and complete the 2 year housemanship first, then think about it....it is NOT something to think about at undergraduate level........
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Apr 4 2008, 02:55 AM)
dat's true, eventhough the traditional system is dry, but it equips us with the impt concepts medstudents nid to know. somehow PBL might lead u into extensive findings which r quite irrrelevant for a medstudent, to satisfy the desire to understand the whole area of a certain subject, without grasping the again, impt concepts.
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very true.. but i think it all goes down to how the university decides to have or carry out the traditional system. in my university, we have supervisions for each of the subject we are doing.. we will all meet for an hour(for each subject), and basically the supervisor will go through what we've learnt. and it is during these times that we will be able to listen to stories as to how the things were discovered, and also clarify anything we don't understand.. in fact, i prefer the traditional method much more than the pbl method. we had to do pbl for one of the subjects last term, and i found that i didn't learn anything from the sessions. worse thing is that i actually managed to confuse myself with some of the basic concepts of the subject discussed..
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well, the PBL does have it's pro & cons..
but from 1st hand experience, it does shift the focus away from basic clinical sciences..
i'm just weeks away from my finals, & honestly my basic sciences are cr@p!

(well, mayb i'm a cr@ppy student & this is not due to PBL,) tongue.gif

the success of any PBL session depends on its participants..
whether they just come in empty, or well prepared..
do they regard PBL as a brainstorming session? or just a futile exercise..
the group i was with during my 2nd-3rd years was an OK one..
unfortunately, no one wanted to conduct the session..
and yours truly was the sole conductor of the session for 2 whole years..
(although asking questions is kinda cool, makes you look smarter than dumbly not answering -> House MD)



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QUOTE(zltan @ Apr 4 2008, 01:16 PM)
Is the traditional system just lectures and clinicals? Pardon me, but I don't really know how medicine was taught last time except that there was plenty of lectures.
For me, my weekly uni classes are:
8 basic science lectures
1 PBL
1 Health Practice lecture
1 Health Practice tute
1 ICM tute
0/1/2 pracs

But, I think it is the same right now too, regarding the lectures. So, I don't understand how the "old" doctors have more understanding of concepts while the 'fresh' doctors do not.
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you have a pretty light load...

i'm a second year medic, and apparently this year is supposed to be hell for us..

basically, i have 12 hours of lectures; 4 hours of supervisions (i.e. tutorials); 5-8 hours of practicals (depending on the week..).. so some days i have a solid 9-5 (with an hour break for lunch).. (not to mention the fact that everyone does extra stuff e.g. sports and drama.. so u'll be pressured to join in.. hehe..)e.g., on wednesdays i have 9-2; 3-4; 6-7 and 8-10..

i supposed this is where there is a difference between pbl and traditional system. in pbl u research the topic, and although the amount of reading needed is a lot, it probably can't beat being taught by a person who specializes in the field.. in traditional system, we basically have 12 solid hours worth (each lecture lasting an hour) of teaching and information to digest.. and in practicals (especially our path practicals) we sometimes learn new things, like gram staining and microscope stuff..

but as for the understanding tu.. i think old doctors are just pulling ur leg.. waktu their time, most of the stuff weren't discovered yet, and (for biochem, i think) they have great big holes where they don't know how things work.. haha...
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QUOTE(chupachups @ Apr 8 2008, 07:48 PM)
(i just saw this post tongue.gif)

you have a pretty light load...

i'm a second year medic, and apparently this year is supposed to be hell for us..

basically, i have 12 hours of lectures; 4 hours of supervisions (i.e. tutorials); 5-8 hours of practicals (depending on the week..).. so some days i have a solid 9-5 (with an hour break for lunch).. (not to mention the fact that everyone does extra stuff e.g. sports and drama.. so u'll be pressured to join in..  hehe..)e.g., on wednesdays i have 9-2; 3-4; 6-7 and 8-10..

i supposed this is where there is a difference between pbl and traditional system. in pbl u research the topic, and although the amount of reading needed is a lot, it probably can't beat being taught by a person who specializes in the field.. in traditional system, we basically have 12 solid hours worth (each lecture lasting an hour) of teaching and information to digest.. and in practicals (especially our path practicals) we sometimes learn new things, like gram staining and microscope stuff..

but as for the understanding tu.. i think old doctors are just pulling ur leg.. waktu their time, most of the stuff weren't discovered yet, and (for biochem, i think) they have great big holes where they don't know how things work.. haha...
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Yea... my contact hours are even less than the first year science students. laugh.gif We change lecturers every week though, each one specializing in their own field and the annoying thing is that ALL of the lecturers expect you to know everything about their certain area of specialty and ALL of them have their favourite book. We went from physiology to biochem to histology to anatomy.... rclxub.gif We just had an exam last week and it was full of all this small tiny details which are only mentioned by the lecturer once throughout the whole lecture and isn't even in the lecture notes. >.<
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but as for the understanding tu.. i think old doctors are just pulling ur leg.. waktu their time, most of the stuff weren't discovered yet, and (for biochem, i think) they have great big holes where they don't know how things work.. haha...
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not knowing something that has yet to be 'discovered' is VERY different from not knowing something well established.........the former is covered by something called CME/CPD......and the later is called poorly taught and learnt.......
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QUOTE(chupachups @ Apr 8 2008, 07:48 PM)
basically, i have 12 hours of lectures; 4 hours of supervisions (i.e. tutorials); 5-8 hours of practicals (depending on the week..).. so some days i have a solid 9-5 (with an hour break for lunch).. (not to mention the fact that everyone does extra stuff e.g. sports and drama.. so u'll be pressured to join in..  hehe..)e.g., on wednesdays i have 9-2; 3-4; 6-7 and 8-10..
Which uni are you in? That's really a schedule from hell compared to the 2 lectures/day back in my IMU days. sweat.gif
Of course, we were pretty much left to fend for ourselves no thanks to the puny amount of lectures. It's even worse in clinical schools where everything comes pouring down like a waterfall... We virtually know nothing in the wards. doh.gif

QUOTE(zltan @ Apr 8 2008, 08:44 PM)
Yea... my contact hours are even less than the first year science students.  laugh.gif  We change lecturers every week though, each one specializing in their own field and the annoying thing is that ALL of the lecturers expect you to know everything about their certain area of specialty and ALL of them have their favourite book. We went from physiology to biochem to histology to anatomy.... rclxub.gif  We just had an exam last week and it was full of all this small tiny details which are only mentioned by the lecturer once throughout the whole lecture and isn't even in the lecture notes. >.<
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Melbourne Uni? Meh... don't bother understanding those details. Just scribble as much as you can during lectures, and memorise them kao kao before those small tests... they just freaking love to ask those small print shit.

Large print = understanding for your own knowledge.
Small print = memorise for passing exams.


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same la.. but the library is usually well stocked so we don't really need to worry too much bout that.. as for exams, memang lecture materials masuk what... in our pharm lecture, our sneaky sneaky inflammation lecturer put all the drugs we need to know in the last slide of her last lecture!! gila tau.. my friend ter-miss out the drug name, nasib baik itu cuma test, bukan final exams!!!

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hehe... but i agree la that old doctors seem to know their stuff well. i think it is also the attitude of the current students, me included. We just want to pass exams, and not really understand a certain concept. as a result, we don't really learn anything. we don't try to make associations with stuff that we learn, hence our memory of the thing pun doesn't stay there for long..

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Well, that's only my second year.. first year kurang la.. we only had 9 hours lecture, 6-9 hours lab and 3 hour supervisions..

but our holiday very long one... the first three years, we are on holiday basically for half a year tongue.gif close to 7 weeks for christmas and close to 6 weeks for easter smile.gif smile.gif
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hey, after my finals next week, i'll be having 4 months of holidays, wat u tink, ahhhahahahah
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noe wat i advice u tat u shud somehow follow wat u are interested in... studying is one thing.... but imagine that u hv to work on sth u hv no passion in it for ur entire life...tat'll b horrible....juz follow ur heart.. any career as long as u work hard u'll reach ur success one day.. all the best!!


Added on April 11, 2008, 10:28 pmoh ya by the way.. i'm interested in dentistry...and i heard from some medical students that even dentistry students need to do anatomy.. i'm not vry sure am i able to handle that....anyone willling to share their experience with me?

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QUOTE(tinsze @ Apr 11 2008, 10:24 PM)
noe wat i advice u tat u shud somehow follow wat u are interested in... studying is one thing.... but imagine that u hv to work on sth u hv no passion in it for ur entire life...tat'll b horrible....juz follow ur heart.. any career as long as u work hard u'll reach ur success one day.. all the best!!


Added on April 11, 2008, 10:28 pmoh ya by the way.. i'm interested in dentistry...and i heard from some medical students that even dentistry students need to do anatomy.. i'm not vry sure am i able to handle that....anyone willling to share their experience with me?
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yeah, dental students in my skok nids to do anat, which is mostly on head and neck part (which i'm greatly interested in)

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What do you guys think about Monash Uni in Malaysia for doing medicine? I was thinking of applying there after A levels. Is the feb 09 application even open yet? because I went to the website and only the feb 08 are downloadable sad.gif
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QUOTE(tinsze @ Apr 11 2008, 10:24 PM)

Added on April 11, 2008, 10:28 pmoh ya by the way.. i'm interested in dentistry...and i heard from some medical students that even dentistry students need to do anatomy.. i'm not vry sure am i able to handle that....anyone willling to share their experience with me?
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@ my place, the syllabus for 1st year Med and Dent are almost the same.. both will learn the 3 basic sciences : Physio , Biochemistry, and Anat..
but as for dentistry, they will be focusing more (i mean it) onto Thorax + Head and Neck region in Anatomy.. and they wont study about Lower limb + GIT system
for physiology they will also learn all of the stuffs except GIT system..
in addition, the dentistry students also learn another extra subject called Oral Biology (im not sure what this do, couldnt recall)

anatomy is fine, at first u'll be scare shit when there are tons of things to remember.. but later you'll find that it is nothing compare to other subjects like.. pharmacology ( damn i hate this subject doh.gif )
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Hi... I am new here... I juz finish my SPM... Currently I am doing my foundation In Science in Lincoln College... Can i know which country will be a good choice to choose to do my medicine course? Russia or Indonesia?
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What do you guys think about Monash Uni in Malaysia for doing medicine? I was thinking of applying there after A levels. Is the feb 09 application even open yet? because I went to the website and only the feb 08 are downloadable sad.gif
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i've no idea but some of my batchmates in imu withdrawn n went to monash feb 2008
bout 5 of them
i think it's bcuz of d cost
but i oso heard they think monash better than imu oso
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i've no idea but some of my batchmates in imu withdrawn n went to monash feb 2008
bout 5 of them
i think it's bcuz of d cost
but i oso heard they think monash better than imu oso
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just as others rejected monash msia offers to go to imu.....

generally, if money not an issue......imu-pms better than either monash msia (no graduates yet, 1st batch in 4th year, recognised by amc, but no right to work in oz) or imu local (not recognised by anybody except msia and sri lanka, don't ask me why sri lanka).........cost-wise, imu local is cheaper than monash by rm50k over 5 years, and need to add cost of compulsory 3 months posting in monash melbourne.......
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first step, go register to sit for the isat test.....you need that to apply.......
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i'm sitting in may XD stupid test, it cost a friggin 200$! >< but my parents said that just go for a try. so yeah, oh well. Mind as well try it out.
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love to share my medical study experiences wit u all! =) rclxms.gif

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hey, me too, tmr starts my finals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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my final is on 1st week on may
my best luck to everyone sitting for exams flex.gif

aleysa, since u're from usm, is it true that 2nd year medicine got 1month of study week b4 final? blink.gif
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according to some lecturers IMU students standards are the lowest amongst all medical schools? is this true.
this is a testimonial from one of the lecturers in IMU.

give me insight~?
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based on the selection criteria cut off, they are not the lowest....there are many other ipts med schools locally and overseas (taking msian students for money) with much lower entry cutoffs.......

there is no coherent national policy in future doctor selection, it's basically based on ethnicity in ipta, and money in ipts.....not on the best possible cohort of students the country has.......sad facts of msian medical education......
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QUOTE(hyperx @ Apr 12 2008, 06:51 PM)
@ my place, the syllabus for 1st year Med and Dent are almost the same.. both will learn the 3 basic sciences : Physio , Biochemistry, and Anat..
but as for dentistry, they will be focusing more (i mean it) onto Thorax + Head and Neck region in Anatomy.. and they wont study about Lower limb + GIT system
for physiology they will also learn all of the stuffs except GIT system..
in addition, the dentistry students also learn another extra subject called Oral Biology (im not sure what this do, couldnt recall)

anatomy is fine, at first u'll be scare shit when there are tons of things to remember.. but later you'll find that it is nothing compare to other subjects like.. pharmacology ( damn i hate this subject  doh.gif  )
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i really would like to know how are the interview sessions for admission into the Medicine course in IMU. what questions do they usually ask? and how many people would be interviewing us? and how is it like?

i gladly appreciate if anyone could share their experience with me

thank you so much!
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post Apr 16 2008, 06:18 PM

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what would be the best choice of accomodation if if I wanted to go to imu?
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QUOTE(love2dream @ Apr 16 2008, 03:36 PM)
i really would like to know how are the interview sessions for admission into the Medicine course in IMU. what questions do they usually ask? and how many people would be interviewing us? and how is it like?

i gladly appreciate if anyone could share their experience with me

thank you so much!
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u'll have two interviewers
first they will ask about ur personal details, sort of like ice-breaking la
expect those popular questions like why u choose IMU, why u wanna become a dr blah3
then they'll have 1 scenario questions for u
so far only three i heard of (and i think only this 3), n u'll have 1 of them (pm me if u wanna know the questions)

just be calm n u'll be fine hopefully
n don make big lie in the interview la
IMU's interview is not tat hard comparing to other universities such as PMC and those uk aussie universities


Added on April 16, 2008, 7:19 pm
QUOTE(audio0316 @ Apr 16 2008, 06:18 PM)
what would be the best choice of accomodation if if I wanted to go to imu?
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vista komanwel B is the nearest
but vista komanwel C usually in better condition (because lesser ppl stay here i think, but i'm staying here la)
vista komanwel A is too far away
n try not to opt for imu hostels
they're more expensive and not good
get a contact list of private accommodation from the Student Admission Department, just right beside where u interview, when u coming here to interview
better start finding a months or two earlier before u coming as there'll be more choices

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QUOTE(chika138 @ Apr 16 2008, 07:12 PM)
u'll have two interviewers
first they will ask about ur personal details, sort of like ice-breaking la
expect those popular questions like why u choose IMU, why u wanna become a dr blah3
then they'll have 1 scenario questions for u
so far only three i heard of (and i think only this 3), n u'll have 1 of them (pm me if u wanna know the questions)

just be calm n u'll be fine hopefully
n don make big lie in the interview la
IMU's interview is not tat hard comparing to other universities such as PMC and those uk aussie universities


Added on April 16, 2008, 7:19 pm

vista komanwel B is the nearest
but vista komanwel C usually in better condition (because lesser ppl stay here i think, but i'm staying here la)
vista komanwel A is too far away
n try not to opt for imu hostels
they're more expensive and not good
get a contact list of private accommodation from the Student Admission Department, just right beside where u interview, when u coming here to interview
better start finding a months or two earlier before u coming as there'll be more choices
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PMC = Penang medical College?

Erm, i went to their interview last year, and basically, they just wanted to know whether i can pay the high tuition fees. And wen the offer letter arrived, i was required to pay a deposit of Euro 10K, which can buy me a proton car ady. no offence to the PMC students, but it was just my own exp.
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hey there, just wanted to ask, does anyone know the when's the intake for medical students at monash malaysia and nus? and are there any imu students here whu got into imu thru MUFY? and among this 3 unis, wic 1 is the best? i noe all 3 are good, but the quality of lecturers and the atmosphere differ from place to place. moreover, i heard tht imu students study all the time and have tests every two weeks, wic is totally effed up. and is there any difference between studying at monash malaysia and monash oz other than the fees and cost of living?

and apart from imu and monash, what other good local medical unis are there?


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PMC = Penang medical College?

Erm, i went to their interview last year, and basically, they just wanted to know whether i can pay the high tuition fees. And wen the offer letter arrived, i was required to pay a deposit of Euro 10K, which can buy me a proton car ady. no offence to the PMC students, but it was just my own exp.
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it's the same for all the private med schools, for all ipts actually, and overseas too, on offer you are expected to pay 1 semester fees upfront to accept......

and obviously they want to know if you can really affort their fees, otherwise no point giving you offer.....

like I said many times, ipts selects the best students from the SMALL group of students with money (scholarship, or rich parents)......and reaching the bottom of the barrel, some with mediocre results and lots of money will get in.......
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if i x mistaken pmc is half sponsored by penang government
n they have more jpa n mara scholars than private students
so u don really see them advertise compared to imu
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QUOTE(sanesaint @ Apr 16 2008, 10:31 PM)
hey there, just wanted to ask, does anyone know the when's the intake for medical students at monash malaysia and nus? and are there any imu students here whu got into imu thru MUFY? and among this 3 unis, wic 1 is the best? i noe all 3 are good, but the quality of lecturers and the atmosphere differ from place to place. moreover, i heard tht imu students study all the time and have tests every two weeks, wic is totally effed up. and is there any difference between studying at monash malaysia and monash oz other than the fees and cost of living?

and apart from imu and monash, what other good local medical unis are there?
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IMU facilities are quite lousy if compared to the rest. Unless you are going for twinning no use going to IMU. So far in Sem1 there is no such test every 2 weeks. Maybe you meant PBL. IMU students study all the times because the lecturers don't really teach, you are left to fend for yourself. Certain batches of IMU students are a joke, they come from the weirdest qualifications and have a hard time catching up even in Sem 1 itself. BTW IMU preference is A-levels > STPM > other qualification > SAM. Means A levels you just need BBC you can enter, while SAM even though the requirement is low, the cut off is not really at 85% unless you are a JPA/MARA scholar. Anyway some of the IMU students here would know that, for one of the batch, around 100 people who got the offer declined it, and IMU ended up calling up all those who did not pass the interview / did not get selected in the first round to give them an offer. This is just to give you an overall view of IMU. Not badmouthing them, its just the truth.
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ohhh ok... how bout monash and nus?
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QUOTE(sanesaint @ Apr 16 2008, 10:31 PM)
hey there, just wanted to ask, does anyone know the when's the intake for medical students at monash malaysia and nus? and are there any imu students here whu got into imu thru MUFY? and among this 3 unis, wic 1 is the best? i noe all 3 are good, but the quality of lecturers and the atmosphere differ from place to place. moreover, i heard tht imu students study all the time and have tests every two weeks, wic is totally effed up. and is there any difference between studying at monash malaysia and monash oz other than the fees and cost of living?

and apart from imu and monash, what other good local medical unis are there?
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pardon me, but isn't it a big insult to NUS wen u r comparing them wif IMU/Monash?

do check up their website if u want to know more abt NUS medskol
http://medicine.nus.edu.sg/corporate/
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i know NUS is damn good, im just looking at all my options. cuz my parents cant afford aussie or uk, so im just looking at unis in the region.
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den y u asked "wic 1 is the best"?
U r keeping ur options open doesn't mean u shld compare all Uni's.



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ok noted. anyway, how did u get into NUS to do medicine? did u do a-levels? and when's the intake for medical students? been searching for it at their website but to no avail
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u shld refer to http://www.nus.edu.sg/
for NUS admission related stuff

http://medicine.nus.edu.sg/corporate/
is mainly abt the medskol.

i did STPM, and but local college Alevels will do.
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oh i finally found it! awesome!

now to just decide which coll to go to for a-levels....
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QUOTE(hyperx @ Apr 15 2008, 08:32 PM)
my final is on 1st week on may
my best luck to everyone sitting for exams  flex.gif

aleysa, since u're from usm, is it true that 2nd year medicine got 1month of study week b4 final?  blink.gif
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erk, 2nd yr no final exam ma.... yeah, we got almost a month study week before 3rd yr final exam., counting the DAY rite now! sweat.gif



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anyone in imu got their offer letter yet?

i just received mine today, dead line for payment is 30th april.

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lol, actually we have 1 week off before the 2ns Selanjar, and then 3 weeks+ before Pro2..
bosan gila, wished i could fast forward time then..

now i wish i can slow time down! icon_question.gif
7 days and counting, hope to survive til then!

good luck & all the best to everyone!
exam fever is really here huh? tongue.gif
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To enter NUS it depends more on your interview just like any other top universities in the world. So far I heard from my uncle, cambridge interview for medical student, they use their law professors to interview them.
If you want any local medical school, I would suggest you take a look at AIMST, UCSI and CUCMS as the fees are cheaper than IMU and the facilities are definitely better, IMU is just overhyped, their local programme is nothing.
From what I heard CUCMS has top lecturers in the country even though their clinical schools are a bit bad (army hospitals) because they just started out.
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the thing is, im looking at imu cuz im interested in the twinning program and monash cuz of its reputation and the fact tht there's no diff between studying in monash oz and monash m'sia apart from the living costs. but if i was gonna do it at a local ipta, i wana try for UM or UIAM. i'm not really interested in UCSI or CUCMS or AIMST because they're not recognised by the malaysian medical council and they dun offer any sort of twinning program.

wat do u guys think about Penang Medical College? is it good?

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the thing is, im looking at imu cuz im interested in the twinning program and monash cuz of its reputation and the fact tht there's no diff between studying in monash oz and monash m'sia apart from the living costs. but if i was gonna do it at a local ipta, i wana try  for UM or UIAM. i'm not really interested in UCSI or CUCMS or AIMST because they're not recognised by the malaysian medical council and they dun offer any sort of twinning program.

wat do u guys think about Penang Medical College? is it good?
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don't worry, ALL ipts med schools will be recognised by mmc by the time the 1st batch is in final year, or graduating.......however, they will not be recognised anywhere out of msia........but if you only want to work locally, it is not a problem......

as for monash, don't be fooled, while the degree may be supposedly the same whether it is done in clayton or msia, there are subtle differences.....eg, spore at the moment only recognise mbbs monash from clayton.....and oz mmigration laws as they stand now, means monash msia mbbs graduates cannot work in oz.......they will have to apply for pr status like everybody else and they wouldn't get enough points to qualify at fresh graduation........unlike those who have spent at least 2 years studying onshore in oz, an automatic work visa for 18 months will be granted on application after graduation........
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ah. but im not planning to stay at aussie. prob singapore, but i'll see when i get to tht stage
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QUOTE(aleysa @ Apr 17 2008, 05:58 PM)
erk, 2nd yr no final exam ma.... yeah, we got almost a month study week before 3rd yr final exam., counting the DAY rite now!  sweat.gif
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wow thats alot.. sweat.gif
3rd year right? pls send my regards to a guy named Ali-Imran if u know him laugh.gif
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any forumers studying at PMC/IMU/Monash Malaysia?

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hey sanesaint, just for ur info, PMC is no longer recognized by Spore medical council, but things might change any time

n instead of calling for medstudents from diff medskols, y dun u just post ur Q's here? u can oso luk out for their posts in this thread b4. i tink there are a few from IMU.

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