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post Feb 22 2007, 06:44 AM

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Melbourne Uni... transferred there from IMU.

You're not the only one browsing forums instead of studying tongue.gif
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post Nov 24 2007, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(ironboots @ Nov 24 2007, 02:43 PM)
shit sux

i might try a bit harder to do my internship away from msia cos of this. if i do my internship elsewhere i wont be considered "fresh grad" and can go to MO when go back if i'm not mistaken. some of my batchmates also feel that way. not only extending our hman time but also lenght of time to get specialisation.

forgot to introduce myself:
IMU to Melb Uni 5th yr out of 6
gl to all of u starting out and to whoever asking about what IMU is like i have to say its great and i enjoyed myself in IMU much more than in Melb Uni smile.gif... cos melb so expensive cannot do anything if u want to stay above poverty line tongue.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 3:10 pmis there any1 here that has done some clinicals in UH? i'll be doing my elective there so just curious what its like.
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Totally agree... Humans never seem to appreciate things until they are lost. Used to complain how shitty IMU was, but now think back the times it's still the best. Melbourne... crazy shit everything also expensive... cannot go anywhere, cannot do anything. Fees sky high till pokkai.

And here I shall shamelessly link our 2006 Ball cartoon which sums up our 5 fun-filled semesters in IMU.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUxU0fJmdDY

For those who want to study medicine... be very afraid after watching this.

QUOTE(wgy589 @ Nov 24 2007, 06:41 PM)
y come back. stay in Aus la
o if it's abt the same, wif 2 years housemanship, den apply S'pore la.
I'm sure S'pore will take u.  Melbourne is just 1 of the best medskools


Added on November 24, 2007, 6:48 pmlet say u go S'pore, n get specialist training after 1 year houseman, 1year MO (of course not guaranteed), den ur career progression is much more faster den ur Malaysian counterparts, who haf 2 spend 2 years houseman, 3 years compulsory service, den wait a few years (it's the same thing laa, quota system)

Haha, u r 4/5 years faster den them.

Agree wif me?
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Spore... not that easy also, although that's the closest we have if we don't want to stay in M'sia.

WTF is with the Gov? 2 years housemanship? rclxub.gif

Everyone is planning not to go back, so in the future our country will lack doctors. I too feel like going back after graduation since I still prefer Msian culture and weather (and food and everything else), yet the prospects over in Melb are more attractive. Then again, I don't really feel at ease over here - Home will always be home.

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post Dec 4 2007, 12:14 PM

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^ Geesh..... peace people, peace... no point bashing each other up over a little misunderstanding.

QUOTE(Gratificator97 @ Nov 26 2007, 03:45 AM)
Hey guys.  Im a newbie here.

About me : A rare mental disorder sufferer spared to hav wasted 8 years.  Luckily by the utmost God's blessings,
                successfully subdued the hardest times & found the right doctor that treats me.  Im  on the recovery to
                go on a normal life.

Hope u guys can help me out : Im 25 years old by now.  Do u guys think its too late to pursue in Med field?  Bcoz of
                                            the mental disorder, I left only wif SPM qualification.  Btw, watz the approximate cost
                                            for A-Lvl?  The last question is, watz the duration to become a medical specialist?
                                            (in Malaysia, Singapore, or Oz perhaps?)

Im truly grateful of the presence of this forum. It really offers great information.  Frankly, I've done plenty of
psychology tests & I am meant to be a Physician in Medical field.  I totally agree wif the fact that a great doctor is a
doctor wif a great heart.  I really appreciate ur help TQ.
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WOW... Good for you.

Age is not a problem at all. 25 is not really that old anyway... if everything goes well you'll grad by early 30s.

There used to be a 36 year old engineer in IMU before... M1/01 batch I think. Never seen him before but heard news about him. Over here in my batch there's hell lots of post grads who are already in their 30s. So no worries there.

Just finished exams last week... Stuffed OSCE again. Damn.
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post Dec 9 2007, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Dec 7 2007, 10:39 AM)
you still in IMU? what question did you get for your osce?
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No lah hehe... already finished my pre-clinicals in IMU more than a year ago.
OSCEs are everywhere, in every medical school...

Woot !! Summer holidays now... yet raining everyday in Msia sad.gif

QUOTE(wgy589 @ Dec 7 2007, 04:38 PM)
wat's dat? OSCE, OCPE? Sounds very pro
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post Dec 10 2007, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(aerikh @ Dec 9 2007, 02:20 PM)
hehe.. osce/ospe's are one of the most fun exams around!
can't remember any exam when everyone will be grinning at each other like idiots at the end.. tongue.gif

my favourite is still long case... you really need to talk yourself out of hell to save yourself.. tongue.gif
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Yuck... OSCE is YUCK tongue.gif everyone is grinning like idiots because we were so dumbfounded like idiots during exams hehe

Long case... I'm so going to die.

OSPE is fun though whistling.gif

QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 10 2007, 02:15 AM)
can anyone here help me???!!! pls i need all the experienced medic students to guide me! i planned to go to IMU, cos it's damn good n damn near to my place, BUT i know it's difficult cos it requires a very high entry requirements + interview...

my question is, which type of pre-u is good for medic? i'd love to take A-levels but it's a farking 1 1/2 years.. so damn long time! so i'm confused between ausmat or A-levels or even canadian pre-u!

okay, so about the pre-u thingy, i know i need to take the sciences subjects... as usual they'll offer chem + bio + phy in the subjects for pre-u, my question is, can i take only chem + bio? and replace phy with some other subjects like psychology? will it affect my entry to IMU? i'm okay with physics except the farking dull n boring electronics!!! those signs and functions will make me puke..
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Email IMU or call them... How can we vouch for anything we say? We're not representatives of the admin anyway.

Then again, I didn't take Bio in my preUs... physics is much more fun. Bio = boring memorising... Physics... OH YEAH.
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post Feb 18 2008, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(senbonzakura @ Feb 17 2008, 08:13 PM)
hi guys...second sem from imu...
life is tough....a lot to remember..
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Enjoy IMU while it lasts... it's good fun. Much more relaxing then clinicals where you're literally left to die on your own.

Heard that the curiculum has changed, and you guys get final exams for every semester instead of at Sem 1, 3, and 5.

QUOTE(pangping1510 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:51 PM)
O..the old cucrriculum recommends talley, the new curriculum recommends epstein..i went to kamal..talley is out of stock..the guy recommmended me epstein..but since talley is out of stock, it should be a better book right.. tongue.gif
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Talley's are pretty much the recommended book esp in Australian unis since it's written by an Aussie dude. Good reading, but don't expect to memorise every thing coz it's so damn a lot. MacCleod's another book recommended in IMU, at least when I was still there, but the old version is quite sucky... the new one seems good though as it has a lot of improvements.

I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.

Gtg now to prepare PBL for erectile dysfunction... doh.gif doh.gif
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post Mar 10 2008, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(senbonzakura @ Mar 6 2008, 10:31 PM)
really tht bad in clinicals..?? i just went to tuanku jaafar for nursing week... super a lot of ppl wei..and the nurses were complaining that we all wanna go to the mortuary..
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Clinicals bad or not? Well let's just say that it's not rosy... Enjoy pre-clinicals while it lasts, seriously... it's going to be the most memorable time in your studies.

QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 9 2008, 07:42 PM)
I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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Histology first? Really weird... histology as in normal histiology or pathology slides like those in Robbins?
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post Mar 24 2008, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Mar 23 2008, 08:41 PM)
Good article.

Nevertheless, it remains a cruel truth that there are some JPA scholars (not only limited to medical students) that do not return to Malaysia and serve our country. And when that happens, all the money and effort spent by the government on those students are literally flushed down the drain.

Having said that, the problem with JPA remains with the fact that its selection is not transparent nor it is fair. I've seen people with rich backgrounds getting JPA scholars, and also students who spend like kings overseas just because JPA sponsors their budget. Yes, JPA's monthly allocation is not adequate to cover ALL expenses, but note that I'm referring to people whose family financial status are already well-off to start with.

I salute those JPA scholars who have the desire to serve our people in the future, but the fact is, there are always black sheeps which taint the image. The idea about "forcing" scholars to immediately return to the country is indeed unwise, yet is there any other better way to ensure their return? Bonds and contracts can be signed, but it's the enforcement that leaves much to be desired.

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The authorities in JPA, however, should understand that to attract talent in the public service, the more effective methods would be by improving pay, ensuring fairness by meritocracy and adequate training opportunities,

This, is what we wish for in the future.
And add in reasonable working hours.

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post Apr 8 2008, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(chupachups @ Apr 8 2008, 07:48 PM)
basically, i have 12 hours of lectures; 4 hours of supervisions (i.e. tutorials); 5-8 hours of practicals (depending on the week..).. so some days i have a solid 9-5 (with an hour break for lunch).. (not to mention the fact that everyone does extra stuff e.g. sports and drama.. so u'll be pressured to join in..  hehe..)e.g., on wednesdays i have 9-2; 3-4; 6-7 and 8-10..
Which uni are you in? That's really a schedule from hell compared to the 2 lectures/day back in my IMU days. sweat.gif
Of course, we were pretty much left to fend for ourselves no thanks to the puny amount of lectures. It's even worse in clinical schools where everything comes pouring down like a waterfall... We virtually know nothing in the wards. doh.gif

QUOTE(zltan @ Apr 8 2008, 08:44 PM)
Yea... my contact hours are even less than the first year science students.  laugh.gif  We change lecturers every week though, each one specializing in their own field and the annoying thing is that ALL of the lecturers expect you to know everything about their certain area of specialty and ALL of them have their favourite book. We went from physiology to biochem to histology to anatomy.... rclxub.gif  We just had an exam last week and it was full of all this small tiny details which are only mentioned by the lecturer once throughout the whole lecture and isn't even in the lecture notes. >.<
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Melbourne Uni? Meh... don't bother understanding those details. Just scribble as much as you can during lectures, and memorise them kao kao before those small tests... they just freaking love to ask those small print shit.

Large print = understanding for your own knowledge.
Small print = memorise for passing exams.


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post Apr 29 2008, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 29 2008, 02:00 PM)
i do study physic and chem.

just that i don't take bio. instead i take engineering technology and engineering drawing.

hoho.
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Wah... then why do you want to do medicine? Do engineering instead tongue.gif

I'm not sure how the lack of basic biology would affect you in the medical course, but maybe it won't be such as bad idea to learn some bio in your matriculation. Having said that, I didn't take biology in my pre-Us despite coming from a pure science stream class in secondary school. The first one or two weeks in med school might be a bit tough because everybody else knows what the heck is a Kreb's Cycle except me, but it ain't that bad anyway... You'll pick up the bio stuff pretty quickly.

Good luck.
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Apr 29 2008, 02:41 PM)
It is about COMMITMENT n RESPONSIBILITY. Not only there is abundaca fact u need to grab. Even if u are the best medical student in ur university, that does not guarantee ur are good doctor, as good doctor need to have good morality n also establish good relationship (good social skill n teamwork) as doctor require cooperation from many hospital staff n most n foremost imprt is to put our carreer at upmost priority more than  what u like. Thus, it is time to say good bye to ur ps3, friends (who often have easy life, when they got holiday, we still study) to ur boyfriend, etc. Being a doctor is life long study, even u finish ur universities, u need to further improve n keep update ur knowledge, as the knowledge that u gain in medical school is only THE BEGINNING. So, dont get an idea once u finish medical student, ur hardship life end there, indeed it is only the beginning of hardship life!!!! N once u begin as doctor, ur mind, almost everyday will keep thinking of ur patient, dream of ur patient, because of the burden of responsibilty to keep patient stable at the best condition. Ur mind will keep thinking patient, patient, patient, patient.......The only thing that can made u survice it is ur interest. U dont have interest, than forget about it. Even if u loss interest in medical school in which many my friend has, still u need to pretend to be a hypocirte to be interest in medicine.

As for a female, warning, ur saham will go down.

Hahahaha.....i wish my statement does scare u. Please, think twice or u all regret like us now  tongue.gif
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Wah seriously I love that bolded statements... We are the best hypocrites out there... everyday must wear mask to hospital.. wear mask in front of consultants, wear mask in front of registrars, wear masks in front of our own competitive, aggressive, kiasu peers... tongue.gif

About the regret/non-regret part... well, I can't really say whether I'll make the same choice again if given the chance (coz sometimes it really sucks), but there are good times. Seriously. Esp since I've examined a sexy patient in outpatients this morning and it went well.

QUOTE(destroyer @ Apr 29 2008, 02:45 PM)
just that medic easier to get scholar compare to engineering.

i always want to go engineering. just afraid mybe financial problem will hold my interest to continue study.


Added on April 29, 2008, 2:49 pmedited. engineering or architecture.
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By that I assume you meant "scholarship"?

No way brother... NO WAY. Who says that medical scholarships are easy to get? If got I also want wei....
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post Apr 29 2008, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Apr 29 2008, 05:33 PM)
The most hypocrite thing is that some doctor has 2 personality. When approaching patient, so polite but when comes to home, everything become havoc biggrin.gif
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At least they pura pura in front of the patient... I've seen shit ones who throw tempers in front of patients... just met one last week doh.gif

QUOTE(Crazegamer @ Apr 29 2008, 08:12 PM)
Hey to you all
From PMC here
At least now I know I am not the only one surfing here instead of studying
Is everybody here from IMU or had been to IMU only?
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Had been. tongue.gif

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post May 25 2008, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(audio0316 @ May 25 2008, 07:57 PM)
for first year medical students in imu, what books are important or will the lecturer ask to buy? I'm curious
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Marieb is more than enough for you in the first semester. Biochem books? Meh... you ain't going to use it often anyway, Lippincott's is always recommended but I think you'll be better off photocopying the required pages rather than buying the actual book. Ganong is worth buying (esp 2nd hand ones if you can find) but again the library should have lots of them for loan.

head over to IMU thread and join in the fun biggrin.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=452077&hl=imu
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post Jun 5 2008, 06:12 PM

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House is bullshit. Overdramatic, overexaggerated, over the top clinical scenarios. It's ok to watch it as entertainment, but NO WAY real life medicine is going to be like that. I find Grey's Anatomy's portrayal to be more closer to reality, but again it's a TV show so most stuff are still pretty much unrealistic.

Don't let medical dramas influence anyone to enter the medical field. It's a total contrast from what you see in the shows.

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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 2 2008, 02:10 AM)
and in the end everyone will have the same points in pbl debriefing coz everyone also got their info from wiki

god!!! please .. wikis are for n00bs.. get ur info from medical sites.. theres plenty of them..
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Depends on how you use wiki.

Those who slam wiki are those who don't know how to use wiki tongue.gif
People slam wiki because it's open for anyone in the world to edit the information, but a good way to use wiki is to treat it as a PORTAL, not an ENCYCLOPEDIA. Use the recommended links, quotes, citations, and bibliographies below every article to get to the original sources instead of believing everything in wiki's entry.

QUOTE(shinyin @ Jul 10 2008, 12:53 AM)
wiki is a shortcut for a quick summary...other medical websites are emedicine and american physicians...  recommanded textbooks like MRCOG is a wise option.... it's even better to use journals as references.... eg: the british journals, american journals, BJOG, etc... be selective in choosing journals... look at the population sample, methology and how the study was done,... make sure it is valid....  smile.gif

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It's easy for people (esp lecturers in uni, or researchers) to ask students to look up journals everytime they encounter problems or queries, but tell me HOW many students have the spare time to mug through endless piles of journals just for one PBL topic? Sure, there are metasearch portals available in libraries, but who is capable of going through all the information in a particular research? And that's only for PBL... other assignments/topics are not mentioned yet.

Journals are useful in their own ways, esp when one is involved in research or thesis-writing... but PBL? Come on.

And blog-whoring? Careful now... some people in this forum don't find it palatable.
Nice blog entries though biggrin.gif
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post Jul 11 2008, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(hyperx @ Jul 10 2008, 09:34 PM)
everything that i'd told before about wiki were all based on my own experienced.. watching my colleagues just copy and paste from wiki and bring that piece of paper to pbl to "discuss" during my early days here..
according to my friends, the same thing happened in few other local uni here,.. this thing happened too at one of the uni in india (jpa friend told me)
but sorry to say, i dont know how it is in aussie, since there they have among the best uni in the world for biomedical field.. 
It happens everywhere, even in Australia. tongue.gif

Copy and paste happens a lot especially in PBL since there's no one there to prohibit us from doing so. Doing it for thesis/assignments however is a definite no-no. My friend who used to work for University of Tasmania showed me the computer program used by lecturers while marking assignments. OMG... it detects plagiarism so efficiently that it even lists out the online sources where the student copied from.

So guys and girls, do your own homework... don't copy.
PBL? meh... as long as you read up before you go, there's no way you can't find something to talk about.

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QUOTE(audio0316 @ Aug 31 2008, 08:06 AM)
Yes it is. But honestly I thought of it as more of a discouraging session. Only and handful of doctors at the hospitals encouraged you on, but the rest are just telling you.... 'ai  kenapa nak buat medik..'
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discouraging? perhaps... but they're probably telling the truth about the state of medical careers in our country. It's not an easy road to walk on (which course is anyway?) but to be honest, it's good to have some exposure about the real life of a medical professional before one enrolls in a course that's very hard to get out off without suffering great losses ($$ I mean).


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 1 2008, 02:49 AM)
i think, if one specializes in certain areas of medicine, particularly that have good demand (eg; surgery - neuro, cardio, etc) = Big $$$ maker (especially in private sector)

..and certain areas of medicine doesn't seem to make the big $$$ (but still can consider big $$$) - eg; psychiatry? or pathology? correct me if i'm wrong but i dont seem to recall much of these in demand in the local newspapers.
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You need loads of skill and $$$ to be able to specialise in certain hardcore areas like neurosurg... not everyone can achieve that level be it academically or financially (or socially tongue.gif).

Coupled together with the relatively poor specialisation programmes in M'sia, not forgetting the sad fact that biased policies and crap working environment still exist, specialisation particularly in exotic fields is not going to win too many votes.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 7 2008, 09:00 AM)
if you cannot understand everything in sec school, you have NO business being in med school....there is a selection failure somewhere......in fact you should EXCEL at school level before being considered for med school......
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That's harsh.

No one can understand EVERYTHING at once, and definitely not during secondary school. But I agree that one has to be able to grasp a good understanding of the basic curriculum during sec school years. Biology might not necessarily be a compulsory subject, but if one doesn't even know what a bloody cell is then he/she probably should consider doing some other course instead. Meh, I didn't even take Bio in my pre-Us...tongue.gif

To be honest, the statistics taught in med school are only useful to a minimum extent. Sure, it's helpful to know a bit about p-values and meta-analysis and stuff like that just to gain an understanding when reading journals and other EBM stuff; but unless you're actually involved in these researches the statistics that we learn is pretty redundant... I'm just one step away from calling it useless, just because of the aforementioned reason.... The time spent on actually learning cramming info like "if p-value is such and such, then accept/reject hypothesis bla bla" could be well spent on learning other medical stuff.

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QUOTE(diegoadriadona @ Oct 9 2008, 09:01 PM)
yea..my foundations were conducted by agencies...that's why i'm finding it difficult...if i were to do a pre-u programme..say SAM..would it be better? but i would have wasted a yr..is it worthy??of course i dun really care about getting laughed by ppl for giving up here..but i juz want to know is it suitable for me to start all over again??
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It's only 1st year of pre-clinicals, it's probably basic sciences anyway... so to be honest you don't lose that much compared to if you stop at say 4th or 5th year.

Whether SAM is worthy or not depends on yourself, and the path you choose to go after that... There are various alternatives for private medical institutions available in M'sia so as long as you have the desire and motivation (and sadly, money) you'll be fine.

Adjustment disorder is quite common for first year medical students particularly if you're studying overseas, as a lot of us didn't really know what's in store for years to come. Some eventually learn to love it, some become indifferent, some totally loathe it and leave; I guess you'll have to make the choice for yourself. Either stick your head in the mud and crawl through it, or make the change quickly. A swift cut is better than continue to muck around.

Cheers.

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