smartymh? MH? hey dude, didn't know u r on this forum hows life? where u working now?

Life in IMU is great... missing it everyday man.... but then, life as a doctor even better... well, not everyone think so but I do... reason being this is what I want to do which is why I would agree with heart is much more important than brain....

Do not be a doctor if u actually duwan to be one.... life is not good as a doctor if that is the case.... life is however, awesome if u really want to be one

not really though.... I make so many shortcuts nowadays and dun really go through the examinations like I did as a student anymore

This post has been edited by Glyyde: Feb 25 2008, 05:32 AM

hm.... guess what they told me during my interview in IMU.... your results looks good enough to be an engineer, why do u want to be a doctor??

So which one needs better results? Doctor? or Engineer? The answer to this? It doesn't really matter, its the end results that matters.... if you are not able to pass at university level, it doesn't matter how well you did in Pre-U....

One consultant once told me.... there is no point being a brilliant/smart doctor, what we need are good and safe doctors.....

I beg to differ on this point. UK med school goes through tough selections of students from top 5% of A-Level students. And yet, the failing rate remains around 10% per year. Why is that? Is it bcos they actually have to take in student of top 3% instead? Or its boils down to whether an individual could actually becomes a doctor or have the knowledge and skills to become one?

After graduation, exams such as MRCP or MRCS holds such a high failure rate. Does that means people who can't pass at first try shouldn't become a doctor in the first place? Does that means despite passing finals (in UK/Oz/US), they are not good enough still as they can't pass the post-grad exams?

Another reason for medical schools not to have 100% passing rate... quite a lot of them use the bell shape approach... in a way that there will be certain amount of students failing a particular exams... unless all of them score like 70 and above or somethhing like that.....

I was just merely pointing out to u 100% passing rate are not possible.... not just in medicine, but pretty much every single other courses as well....

Quite a lot of places do indeed use the curve to manipulate the scores... not to fail ppl, but to pass more ppl....

I've seen ppl who did badly in secondary schools and not so well in A-level, but then flourish once they went into med school.... I've also seen brilliant students, straights A's in SPM, top 5% in SAM, and then struggle like crazy when they started doing medicine....

at the end of the day, it comes down to the individuals.... as much as med school trys to choose the 'right' person, there are no way of picking 'the one' until they started med school.... which is why the drop out rate in medicine is higher than other courses....

It doesn't means msia med school are allowed to be lax in their selection process.... that I can't comment, but at least they are doing the right thing to filter out the students on the way....

well.... if one take on a view points like yours in the 2 extreme end, then yes, there will be 2 different groups.

The point I have been trying to make has always been the importance of the student themselves being able to complete the medical course. Despite having strict intake, chances of dropping out will still be high, unfortunately, this is how medical training was, is, and will be....

It all boils down to the need of striking a balance between this 2 'viewpoints' of yours. There is no point being on either extreme end, that would not ensure low dropout rates or anything.... as at the end of the day, it depends on the student themselves....

btw, I'm no medical student....

ppl who would be able to read between the lines would know what I am.... haahaa.... I thought that is the rule here?

reading the lines, not medical students cannot be some other things?

I went through IMU.... I was horrible with my SPM..... but now I pass MRCP Part 1 and obviously med school at first try.....

it comes back to the previous statements isn't it? Does it means that IMU can't produce good doctors? Does it means someone that did not do well in SPM can't become a doctor? MRCP part 1 passing rate is 35% as well.... just a reminder.... now.... that really have a cut off point for passing rate.... haahaa

I did UEC, so none of those country would take me in straight away.... haahaa... so can't compare

Q2: Lots of my classmates dropped off (in UK), where they went through strict selections.... so erm.... they did worse than me.... some qualified doctors who sat the MRCP with me apparently is trying for his 7th time....

they can't pass their exams.... should that be consider as drop-off? or pretty much not able to pass?

I have a friend who so wanted to pass and become a doctor.... but hell, he kept on resitting and just can't do it.....

btw, UEC is not that tough..... haahaa.... its a myth

but I did badly in SPM and PMR.... or even UPSR.... went independent school cos can't get into form 1... haahaa

not at all.... I went there bcos I can't get into form 1.... need to do remove (neva know how to spell that) back in those days... so I chose independent school.... haahaa

not that old lar..... ngam ngam last year of it..... damn.... but no regrets, I enjoyed my time in Chong Hwa

MRCP is tough.... 35% passing rate are no joke.... but u just need to prepare for it properly and it shouldn't be a problem..... everyone can take MRCP.... outside UK, it cost more to sit for the exam....

MRCP has nothing to do with training in UK.... that is a completely different thing really....

aw.... u just broke her heart

wikipedia is great..... I used it a lot.... and guess what, it helped me passed MRCP part 1 in 1 try

funny how my statement of passing MRCP part 1 with using a lot of wikipedia gets ignore around here hehe