there are very good medical-legal reasons why teaching hospitals are always public funded hospitals.........and why people going to private hospitals will NOT want med students to experiment on them.....

training hospitals will generally be public funded, and a condition of admission for treatment is the understanding that they cannot determine who treats them, and they can and will be used in teaching of students, and in return they receive heavily subsidised care.......this is the case in both the university hospital, and the moh hospital settings........

on the other hand, if one elects to pay fully for his treatment, he will want to choose his doctors (obviously someone senior and whom one trusts), want to have absolute privacy, and do NOT want any medical students at all......

therefore, it is NOT possible, in the well defined dichotomous way public and private healthcare is delivered in msia, for private hospitals in it's present form to be teaching hospitals.......

even in systems where the public/private divide is blurred, a patient who opted for the private category in the same hospital can choose not to entertain medical students.......

seriously, you all talk about deliveries, which is the HIGHEST MEDICO_LEGAL RISK of all medical disciplines, would you want your/your wife/your sister etc to be experimented upon by students??

there are very good medical-legal reasons why teaching hospitals are always public funded hospitals.........and why people going to private hospitals will NOT want med students to experiment on them.....

training hospitals will generally be public funded, and a condition of admission for treatment is the understanding that they cannot determine who treats them, and they can and will be used in teaching of students, and in return they receive heavily subsidised care.......this is the case in both the university hospital, and the moh hospital settings........

on the other hand, if one elects to pay fully for his treatment, he will want to choose his doctors (obviously someone senior and whom one trusts), want to have absolute privacy, and do NOT want any medical students at all......

therefore, it is NOT possible, in the well defined dichotomous way public and private healthcare is delivered in msia, for private hospitals in it's present form to be teaching hospitals.......

even in systems where the public/private divide is blurred, a patient who opted for the private category in the same hospital can choose not to entertain medical students.......

seriously, you all talk about deliveries, which is the HIGHEST MEDICO_LEGAL RISK of all medical disciplines, would you want your/your wife/your sister etc to be experimented upon by students??

Very true indeed. Why did i never thought of patient's autonomy in choosing their doctors at private hospitals. Therefore is it impossble to establish a private teaching hospital in Malaysia? Was wondering if UCSI's hospital is funded by the government.

Anyhow, i think med students are allowed to conduct deliveries under close supervision of MOs or specialists in almost every teaching hospitals?

But here in Malaysia, some patients seem to think that they have no choice but to get procedures done on them by students. Some cunning and kiasu students even go as far as to withold the fact that they are students to get procedures..the kind yang "alah...just dont tel him that ur a student lah..mesti bagi punya". God..those kind of ppl just make me sick. Those are the kind of students who look down on their peers who refuse to use sick patients as guniea pigs, questioning our interest in doing medicine. Cuba satu hari nanti kena kat dia..

Another thing that irks me about my own peers is that some just dont know when to stop. Especially when performing venous cannulations. Even when the patient is squirming after 3 failed attempts, they just keep going on. Another is when an interesting patient comes into the ward...in severe pain and very tired. Everyone in the posting wants to examine and clerk the patient despite the fact that the patient is like begging to be left alone. I think that its selfish..

Actually specialists and MOs are too busy to supervise med students. Generally nurses do it. Staff nurses or midwives.

Your peers could indeed land themselves in some medico-legal issues. They are not supposed to do anything on a patient unless they have informed consent. Drill some ethics into their brain... This is the kind of attitude that makes patients unwilling to let themselves be examined and treated by students.

I actually rarely see patients who do not allow students to examine them. But, then again, I've only seen like 7...so that could be why. All those who I've seen are actually very happy to see the students and keep asking us questions. 

We saw this guy last week, and he was very cooperative including letting learn to do the GI exam on him. He was still smiling after we practiced some palpation and a whole lot of percussion. Nice chap...

But here in Malaysia, some patients seem to think that they have no choice but to get procedures done on them by students. Some cunning and kiasu students even go as far as to withold the fact that they are students to get procedures..the kind yang "alah...just dont tel him that ur a student lah..mesti bagi punya". God..those kind of ppl just make me sick. Those are the kind of students who look down on their peers who refuse to use sick patients as guniea pigs, questioning our interest in doing medicine. Cuba satu hari nanti kena kat dia..

Another thing that irks me about my own peers is that some just dont know when to stop. Especially when performing venous cannulations. Even when the patient is squirming after 3 failed attempts, they just keep going on. Another is when an interesting patient comes into the ward...in severe pain and very tired. Everyone in the posting wants to examine and clerk the patient despite the fact that the patient is like begging to be left alone. I think that its selfish..

Actually specialists and MOs are too busy to supervise med students. Generally nurses do it. Staff nurses or midwives.

hello. Anyone has any idea which microbiology book is good for a medical student?tq

hello. Anyone has any idea which microbiology book is good for a medical student?tq

mims is not so good in my opinion..

So fun.. having notes to study, in my uni no notes are given, sad sad