Out of curiousity, what is Manipal's entry score?
I've heard of people who are unable to get into IMU but able to get into Manipal.

yes u r right, but in California only UKM, UM, IMU graduates r allowed 2 practise there, provided they passed USMLE n got a residency, do correct me if i'm wrong.

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Added on February 22, 2008, 6:58 pm

dun worry if u r not from IMU, UM, UKM, but truth is the truth,

In california, onli IMU, UKM, UM graduates r recognised,
International Medical University
National University of Malaysia Faculty of Medicine
University of Malaya Faculty of Medicine

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html

Take note,
To date California is the only state out of 50 that requires the school to be on their list for Licensure, the rest of the states will consider any school that is on the WHO list and is not on an Unapproved list if the state has one.

So, my advice is 2 do some research 1st, b4 sayin "Nope, you are wrong",ok? And realli is that, some private medskols in M'sia will say their degree is recognised 2 practise in US, but that does not apply 2 California.

Well, i'm doing a full 5 year course here locall in Malaysia. Wonder when do i get the chance to travel out of this place, 2 yrs of hsemanship and 3 yrs of compulsory service sounds so darn long. No other alternatives?

no where is it stated that for international students (ie not citizens or pr), you cannot twin to that country/pms if you have applied and was rejected before.......but you certainly cannot if you are a citizen/pr........even if you have NEVER applied nor was rejected before........just came from the imu open day.......

and internet access should be no problem once you are registered and assigned your user status within the imu complex......it's fully wifi covered.......

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Added on February 25, 2008, 12:49 am
not your apc, but your certificate of good standing......mmc will not issue you that until you have finished you compulsory service........

and if you think you can use your aimst or usm mbbs and go anywhere in the world, think again.......find out which countries recognise the degrees first.........very few........

and no foreign country will allow you to work, without some sort of work or residency visa .........you will be surprise how hard it is to get one of these........especially if you are a doctor.........

getting more and more difficult nowadays.......

first your degree must be recognised by the registration authority there......or you will need to sit for another exam..........

then you need to find a training job, which in some places, is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get......

then you need a work permit from immigration.........

i tink if u graduate from RCSI, it's almost impossible 2 get a specialist traning there, as long as u r not EU. It's just that u can work there 4 a few years, earning in euro, dat's it.

hmm, i tink whether local residency is gud realli depends on where u wanna work, if u just 1 2 stay in Msia, den it's ok, but 4 overseas, hmm, u shld roughly know dy right,,,

imo, NEP is everywhere, so always b pessimistic, dun expect 2 get into residency immediately after 5 years post graduation, den prospect is quite gud 4 u, since u r med student, u can basically ask arnd the locally trained specialists, n they'll give u the exact ans.

but imo, y dun u just take USMLE, den go US, the route is not easy, but at least it's better den stayin in bolehland, being bullied by NEP. Btw, r u from UM/UKM? if so, u might consider Spore den, ther r increasin no of residencies every year.

yup, i agree wif u, it's very hard 2 get into UKM/UM as a non Bumi. But realli i tink it doesn't make much diff btw UM/UKM and Manipal, in fact, Manipal is more well known globally.

i heard it's very hard 4 a non bumi 2 get into residency in msia, dun expect 2 much from it, so dat u wun b 2 disappointed.

unless it things have changed, i dun tink USMLE/PLAB is accepted in spore.

hmm, if i'm not mistaken, u nid certain amount of years of experience 2 get temporary registration wif spore medical council, so i dun tink it's worthy 2 go there, but haf u ever considered my suggestion 2 sit 4 usmle, if u r interested in internal medicine, den it's quite easy 2 get a residency post there (surgical traineeship is very rare 4 foreign graduates)

hello, is it easy to apply for internship and job over there in aus as a non-eu ?do u know about the condition in uk? are graduades from the IMU-PMS  allowed to do their internship and work as a doc in uk? since i hv heard that NHS isnt recruiting any non-eu doctors, to be exact is it the fact that we,non-eu are hard to apply for internship and job there? thanks in advance.

i did NOT say you are not qualified, you yourself have doubts about qualifying for jpa scholarship....

you did not post your results so i certainly cannot comment on you specifically.....why get so defensive?

the way msians go to all lengths to become doctors through many backdoor ways, i can tell you people with only 2A's at spm have become doctors...........unlike most well managed countries where they go to great lengths to assure only the best and brightest become doctors, msia through politicians are looking for as many ways to become doctors as possible, particularly through third countries, so any mediocre student with some money can become one........don't believe me?........go to any gov hospital, select a random group of junior doctors and ask them what they got for their spm......

you are not getting my points, i am talking globally, not in the specifics of exceptional cases you mentioned.......

spm is the last common exam for the vast majority of msian students, after which the pathway diverges into so many different directions, and it is different to compare.......so the last yardstick to benchmark a student's position amongst his peers is the spm result......of course NOBODY should be admitted into med school on the basis of spm, but on a bridging matriculation (not to be confused with matrik), which unfortunately is so varied....but baring the exceptions, the vast majority will get a result in their matriculation commensurate with their spm results........

that fact established, again looking globally at the training of the country's future doctors, it is to the best interest of the country and the people, that the best, brightest and most suitable be chosen.........and in the majority of well managed advanced countries, this is the case, they do go at great length to ensure the best amd most suitable student is selected........

except msia has NO system to do this, and with the abundance of backdoor pathways in many other countries, as well as compliance with the nep locally, this results in many students being admitted who are NOT the best available.........i was using the example of the spm results to highlight this fact.......that MANY STUDENTS WITH VERY POOR RESULTS ARE ADMITTED INTO MED SCHOOLS, usually in countries like india and indonesia and russia, and ipta as well........students with better results but no money/wrong colour are denied entry........

that is my point.......

of course, once you are in, by working hard, and being conscientious, you can still come out as a good doctor.....or you may not.........as a consumer who needs health care in future, i don't want to have to doubt the competency of my doctor in future......which i do now knowing the real situation on intake into med schools........

understand?

no i did NOT use spm as benckmark for capability.........it's for benchmarking eligibility to enter the course.........the gatekeeping at entry is more important and effective than at exit.......and gatekeeping at exit is NOT gonna happen, too many political vested interests.......

I do agree with limeuu's statement of variability.

Its the government's fault. Having their stupid quota for almost everything such as jobs/uni places/scholarships is really hindering the society and lowering the education standard.

Speaking from first hand experience, I see the medical education in Melbourne Uni largely based on meritocracy. There is no quotas for people of a certain race, there are only quotas for Australians, Internationals and Access places for students in rural areas. And, everyone has a near perfect score in their final year of high school/pre-uni, unlike some unis in Malaysia and other countries.

i am confused.......so they all accept students without near perfect scores........therefore they are good enough?......

Im 4th year doing practical at Hospital Selayang. Im from UiTM. Hey, dont u have any ward round

There are studies proof that academic excellence does not promise or guarantee good student. Sometimes EQ is more important than IQ. Study has done at harvard n has found many student with good EQ despite bad IQ usu have better future n qualification . What's the ppoint of having inteliigence student despite not knowing how to handle emotion n social with person? Todays worls require more cooperation. To me, one inteligence is one potential whereas to control emotion n social is a skill

ter 90 would generally be considered the minimum cutoff.....

imu was 94 last year, 91 this year.......but apparently like monash as someone said in another thread, they will kick you out just like that if you don't make the cut.......last year's batch, 40 got kicked down (repeat 1st of 2nd sem) or out.......

dud, what do you think we are saying then?......

to be fair however, like i said, it has been shown than like many people here claims, you don't have to be a genius to do medicine.........the top 10% of a cohort should be able to do it well enough, that correspond to ter 90 and above, and indeed, that is the MINIMUM ter score to be considered for medicine and dentistry in oz........

Melbourne is unique in oz, as the one which rely purely on ter scores in selection, so most of the students actually have ter above 99.75........the other oz undergraduate med schools rely on a combination of applitude test scores (umat, isat pqa), interview, and ter......and generally, the vast majority of selected students will have a ter above 95...........

let me make my stand........i have NO issue with anyone with a ter score of 95 and above (or equivalent) doing medicine........that is at least 20,000 students in msia every year to choose from........there will be NO problem in finding the right candidates from that large group........agree?

Flipped a digit there hypermax?

Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere, so if not a TER of 95, where?