hi all,

would like to know whether exact software is a good company? anybody work
there before? pls comment.
thanks in advance.

What is the company doing and the location of it ?

They've been around for some time, specialize in ERP solutions I think

http://www.exactinternational.com/malaysia

Exact had been in KL present for more than 6 years already. And yes, they specialize in ERP solution.

Benefit wise, I heard its one of the best.
But I heard that HR can remote access to your machine to view what you're doing. Maybe Exact'ian can verify this. hehehe

And their office is located at KLCC (so syok, can take LRT to work)

samuelC, May I ask what you ask about Exact Software?

just thinking of apply job from theis company.. thanks

Exact software located in KLCC...very nice place and they specialize in ERP..the pay is also very good...

Most software co offer well monthly pay, gv stock option if listed, but no bonus.

exact downsize frm 100 to 50 employees...ppl inside thinking of leaving...u wan to go in?

Exact software-

Pros:

High salary
Training

Cons:

Very high work pressure.
A lot of company rules.

Wrong.

Exact:

High salary, if you requested at starting
Higher salary staff get higher increment
Lower salary staff remain the same and no matter how hard they work, no one know
Gosok kasut the most important thing, manager like you, give you high rating
Lot of politic issue
Structure always change
When come to review, compare senior staff and junior staff (How can compare like that)...

I heard that the management is hamsup too esp on female staffs who are not performing or performing well on their job. Dun know how true is this as this was mentioned by an ex-manager.

bad rumors are everywhere. every place has their pros and cons.. have u seen or been in any company without these kind of problem. there must be something lack inside, but if u tend to look on the brighter side- I guess things will be better.

recently i heard from my friend who currently working in exact, their management changed again.. then he looking for job now. maybe is not secure for him anymore

when a management change, means their ppl will change/increase/descrease.

if you lucky to join their SDK team. u might have chance to learn their technology. what i heard from my friend who work on ASP.NET project, those custom appz software developer no need to code much. mostly generate from tool.

they got their own ASP.NET control. so mostly just choose what u want to validate. no need to code a lot of thing..

this is what i know though.

yeah, they treat the staff very unfair.

If you good in brushing the manager's shoe, you will be able to get high increment, and also you are right, those pretty girls really having high pay in Exact. They judge the staff increment by a graph or something, and this is not fair to all the staff, because of this graph thing those low pay staff, don't have chance to get high increment, and those old staff or should I called Senior, get very high increment, this is because Senior knew more about the products, but this cannot compare among senior and junior staff, really unfair.

Low pay still low pay, and high pay will get even higher pay.

And you are right, they are having management changing right now and also a lot of process will be changed soon too.

My friends who work like hell in there get low salary and low increment, and most of them planned to find a new job.

This post has been edited by Amras of Nargothrond: Feb 16 2007, 05:20 PM

my ex boss is working for them.. high workload he claims..
think wisely..

emm... I'm still working with Exact.
If you considering to join, then consider this.
- you will not get high increment (if you are lucky, may be 5%)
- no bonus
- increasing job load (downsize resource)
- gonna implement KPI soon, to measure your performance. And the KPI will become harder each year. If you doing the same as you done for last year, you will score unsatisfactory
- lots of politic issue (as usual)
- if you happen to work in the .Net team, may be you need to sing and do exercise every morning.. hahah (new management style)
- .Net team are require to work until 8pm daily, including Sat and Sun, without OT on normal working day
- don't think there's anymore training, on the job may be. (since no more trainer)
- staff benefit is measure according to local international company and Exact NL, take only those part that are lowest from both.
- lots of ppl leaving soon.
- will not have enought experience ppl to guide you when you join, it's like blind leading the blind.
- there's a performance curve, every review, there will be 10% of ppl in your small team that fall into this bottom and need to go thru 'rework'
- even if you get promoted, you increament will come 1 year later.
to be cont ...

Hey jclee,
Which department you're working for in Exact ?? I have a few friends working in Exact too .. just wondering if its the same company we're talking ...

jclee, nice comment, very detail.

Conclusion: think twice before you accept the offer unless your previous company worse than this one.

which Exact u all refering 2?

Exact International (Malaysia) - Midvalley or Exact ADC - KLCC?

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Added on March 2, 2007, 2:00 pmExact ADC has nearly 400 staffs and still recruiting...

This post has been edited by harsher: Mar 2 2007, 02:00 PM

Does anyone have further insider's update of recent change of the management?

Too much ... They are really a bunch of monkeys, wasting company's money and resources, if you want to be a star, join NTV7/TV8 star search program. Don't be so silly and childish enough to think this will increase morale among staff ... a hill of shit of bull (bullshit)!

This post has been edited by wfwong: Mar 5 2007, 09:54 PM

I'm neutral, but telling the truth.
It has got the best environment/equipment for u, but it has got the worst manager telling you to follow their shit-plan.

It has got some of the best smart ideas, but it has got a lot dumb head seniors & managers who scrap it (they understand only "IF i do not understand it THEN it's a piece of junk END IF").

It has got the best process/procedure for software development but it has got the No-Ball'est manager to deliver junk code (well they are hired just to say "Yes it can be done" or "Yes it's a brilliant idea" + some tail-shaking to their bosses)

If u wan a place to get ready for retirement, and if you can talk well, and if you have a good brush, and if you do smoke and finally if you wana work in KLCC, your skill in software engineering doesnt matter, go ahead and you'll probably hv a great future.

Conclusion, great company + superb dump manager (in KLCC) = God Bless U

Trust me, this is the geniune (120%) experience of me, no xtra but ony less (only the most important problem here). Thing like bonus, i dun reali giv a shit (IF it's a great place to work)

hahaha...the more posts here, the more meeting's they will have abt this topic

My friend is still working in this company. He mention that those manager that got promoted or hired all of them work in this company less than 5 years. So do you wan to work in a company where your boss only have less than 5 years in this company, that do not know much thing? I also wonder why, maybe because those manager are good in one thing - talk(cakap - cakap kosong).

Hi,
How much the minimum pay they offer for software engineer/application developer?
Is there any bonus? usual working time?
I got a interview call!!!I have 3 yrs workin exp.
Appriciate ur answers for my Question.

Had a chat with some exact staff. Said that they hv an issue with deadwood managers. Actually, they are more like clerks - just there to do admin for their staff. that is why doing re-org. plan to bring in outsiders to "execute" the "order 66" and to revamp the org.

dunno how true or not lah... onli hear ppl talk niah.

This post has been edited by eviltofu: Mar 9 2007, 07:01 PM

yea..i do agree that overall exact is a good co la...but then it is still lacking in mgmnt compared 2 oth bigger cos la...a lot of managers only look at things on the surface side...and moreover the chances of moving forwared and being promoted is slim....it is only a suitable place for gaining some training and basic working experience..

I have a few friends working inside there b4. They are ex-exactian. (I do not work inside)

One of them told me that. In Exact your work routine is the same everyday. according to him it is kinda boring. There is less challenge here.

Another senior friend is planing to leave soon. I'm not sure when he will leave, but from his expression, he is not very happy to intro me to go into this company. He told me last year a lot of restructuring inside exact. Some departments are very busy/overloaded. Some are very free and have nothing to do. Things change so much and a lot of people moving out from exact. He suggest that it is not a good idea to stay here long. but if you want to have experience as a stepping stone, it may well worth it.

He is the one who reference me for the interview, one thing it caught me surprise that the interviewer claim VB6 is Object-Oriented Do they really know VB6?

Newcomers may find things to learn from the beginning, and of cos, strike your salary expectation as high as you think you worth it.

Woo seem like many thing happen in Exact. Seriously i was thinking to join in. But when i send the resume they reject mine as i don't have enough experience. They said at least 3 years experience. That is bad for me as that time i only got 1 year. I never been to a MNC company and i wanted to try as have some nightmare in the private company.

Based on what billytong said, OMG the interviewer said that VB6 is OO? Then what is .NET. But anywhere if got chance i think i also want to try out Exact. Now i also looking for MNC company, is there any?

My friend who worked there told me the new manager always mention he buy burger for Bill Gates, typical shoe polisher! Also don't know what is so proud about that.

He also always mentioned alot about Microsoft, but already quit from there. Maybe Microsoft fire him, so no choice but come work there!

me last time apply to work there, they wanted 2 years experience sqlserver & vb. i have 2 years experience sql server & vb lar but they say i dont qualify now they wan me also i tak mau them..haha

I also apply before but not success. Hahaha
Exact is a good stepping stone for your salary increment( try ask as high as possible when u in).

Hi,
I have applied for software engineer, awaiting for the 2nd round interview...
Howmuch can offer the salary(lebih.. kurang)

Your current salary +RM 1000 ^^...
i got through 3rd interview...waiting for my Head Hunter for any status in my application

Ya, 100% shoe polisher. Shame on him. Buy burger only ? May be he not done enought so get fired by Microsoft. If he willing to lick Bill Gates's ass, he should still be in Microsoft now. He need to seriously consider this. But then, He now at the right place to strengthen his shoe polishing skill.

I read all replies here, and found out that some bad-news about the new manager. Is he from Microsoft? Besides, does anyone know his background, of course besides the "shoe polisher", as per replies here.

the fella from andersen con era (waaaay b4 accenture)... then at mic as country mgr for some oth asian region.

mana dapat source

.
ex staff?

wat is ur status now?

i heard they going to hire me from my head hunter, haven yet finalize the package for me yet..but most likely less than wht i put in my expectaion (+1000)(my hh told me the expectation too high)..
but i already accepted another offer which has better prospect n enviroment..so i wont be going to Exact..

cheers

1k++ is for wat post?

wah exact software so bad liau??

Yes, I heard lots of people resigned lately.

Umm..i dont know wht they are going to offer me..but most likely less than wht i expect
e.g
eXpected Salary:
(My current salary) X + RM 1000.00
i am applying for NET Developer position

thats kinda of sad, i thought there will be my next destination

Sadly, Exact was a good company in old time, remember last time when ppl talk about Exact, everyone give a tumb up, and if you go for interview and ppl know that you're from Exact, high change you get hire.
And then, see what the company is becoming now, management want to put the blame on staffs for not working hard, not creative, not die for the company, but they didn't look at themself, actually they're the source of the problem. Cause at the end, they're the one who set the direction, they should lead by example and not just talk and do the otherwise.
Lots of ppl resign because they're lost, they lose hope on the company, they can't see their future, they're being treat as robot to just blindly follow orders. Yes, the management did encourage you to voice out, but then be careful cause they didn't tell you what going to happen to you when you voice up.
And in Exact, you see lots of shoes polisher get promoted, new shoes polisher joining in. And what happen to those who sit quietly and work hard ? They will continue to sit quietly and work hard, become a stepping stone for those shoes polisher.
I just doubt what the mangement is doing ? Are they just waiting for they compensation ? Just take and leave like the CEO of HP ?
When a new management on board, few things they can do to proof their value. The best is cutting cost and imporve productivity by streamline the process. If they not able to do so, then two things they can do, reduce headcount and maintain the productivity or maintain the headcount and increase the productivity. And the later is what I see happening in Exact, but they still a failure and creating a hell.

Good comment, mick. I 100% agree with you.

I work more than 5 years here. currently the new promoted & recruited manager are not qualify and good in shoe polishing. They always polish and good in talking. This impress the high management. That's how they got thier job.


My friend told me that some time those staff who attend the meeting will have door gift(plastic ball, chocolate, candies, ice-cream). I think later will have more lucky draw and mysterious gift.

Why not to work for this company:

1. Little or no room for growth - In certain cost centres, there is little or no room for growth. This means that three years down the road you will most probably still be doing what you are doing when you joined.
2. Repetitive job scope - Most tasks are repetitive in nature. For example: Bug fixing and testing.
3. Dated technology - Most of the modules are built using VB6. These modules will be maintained till the next product is launched. That will be in 2010.
4. Relatively cheap labour - Why do you think the development centre is located in KL? Why are there no innovation centres being set up in KL but instead in places like Silicon Valley and India. Are Malaysians not good enough to create and innovate?
5. Exodus - Currently experiencing exodus where people are resigning every week.
6. Bond - New employees will be bonded for 1.5 years now as opposed to 1 year previously.

Why work for this company:

1. ? - Still scratching my head thinking of a reason. Ohh yes, there is a chance for new employees to travel to Delft in the Netherlands.

Wow the bond has increase to 1.5years? I assume that is the newly introduce since last year. In my opinion, a good company need not bond. Employee will stay if they are doing well. It seems to me that they are stopping people from leaving so quickly by using bond. It is getting worst I must say.

They seems to look for young slave robotic programmer who willing to do repetitive job everyday.

Young slave robotic programmer? Well said. Could not have said it better myself.

apple polish or shoe polish is a normal norm in exact..if u dun do dat u dun get promoted or recognized..therefore the quiet and the better ones are better let off in 1 corner of d company while the seniors go out mingle wif d mgrs..as if we dun contribute anything 2 d co oso..com 2 tink of it..without us wat r dey 2dy...we juniors mai s wel quit n let d seniors do al d wrk...we slog n strugle mor than dem but the wrds of praises, gratitude n rewards r al taken by dem..dey walkin away wif these al hapily in frnt of us taking us s invisible ppl..ppl wif no felins, opinions n mind of own...

Unbelieveable, everyone in EXACT is now talking about this thread n my close buddy in charge of networking was asked to check te web browsing history n will take serious action against those posters from EXACT

You have any proof??? Dun simply say things la....

now sound like infernal affair (mo ka tung) started at EXACT hehe.

Wow.....scary....

Well most people are not so stupid enough to use EXACT network to post this issue.

Network adminitrastor guys always give problem, that we always know. The rule of the game is simple, do not use office/comapny internet factilties to log on to this forum or post anyhing. They might have program to track which computer login to which website. Even your email is not safe. Why not use other internet facilites that not belong to the company.

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Added on March 24, 2007, 5:11 pmLook like holysindevil is the person from network admin dept

This post has been edited by qwertyuiop: Mar 24 2007, 05:11 PM

Hahahahaha...

Sorry that I just wanna LOL when looking at this thread, it has been long that I didn't come to this forum and suddenly found a thread about a company I worked before. I left less than 2 yrs ago.

I think some statements here are true about Exact, some are not... or maybe there were much more things happened after I left. Well, I personally think Mick has given fairest comments.

Of course one shouldn't post anything about current company using current company's network! If I were the boss, I would react in the same way too

This post has been edited by isabellawcs: Mar 25 2007, 01:41 AM

just week ago before CNY, my colleague was dismissed by this shortie IT manager from Johor because company wants to restructure! he is one of de golden example how a shoes polisher can climb up corporate ladder fast in thiz company

The superb stupid & dummy shoe polisher manager really dun have brain at all. Never think before talking. whats a shame for all the guys & man even gals & women in the world.

Hei superb shoe polisher, behave urself.

Who's the person. I wan to know also.

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Added on March 31, 2007, 10:39 amno bad mah this company. the manger belanja all the staff eat nasi lemak drink teh tarik. My freind told me that the technical team all like moh kan toh(infernal affair) got spy here and there. Try to cucuk each other and the back. wow.....



This post has been edited by qwertyuiop: Mar 31 2007, 10:39 AM

no need proof. this is true, i can verify this.
weird , how they are aiming to pinpoint fingers instead of fixing the prob
now they'll b trying to find out who am i

he is around 160cm tall, from Johor n finish degree from Apiit. joined bird exact com since 1999. fukufol, is that him so the IT manager u talk around?

Hey, my gf's sis is currenctly working there as a programmer i guess.
About the remote cctv thingy, I've heard from her mentions that it has been removed due to some people misused it. It was set up for all the workers to "SEE" whether the person u r looking is at their desk or not, not only for HR.

Good luck.

Before he joined Exact, he is from well-known corporate. He had a high education level but no brain at all.

I just happen in any big corporate ..shoe polish always earn promotion then those people whom really can work

Recently, notice that lots of foreigner being indirectly assign to head different section of the Development center. Wonder is the starting of switching back the control back to Nertherland. If so, can imagine that what will be happen next. Once everthing in proper place and fully documented, then everyone is replacable, without lost of knowledge. And they can swift the development center to somewhere else anytime.
Also notice some newly promoted manager, is like shit, do nothing and walk around freely everyday. Make me wonder, what is the guideline to get promoted.

This company is going through restructing since last year. Reason behind restructuring is because previous managment team(4 donkey) made a very big messs and ppl in Nertherland also dun like those 4 donkey style of manage the company. Now send 1 big boss here to change everything. those 4 idiot no more.

i've done an interview session with a person call Perry if im not mistaken last week.. and then they want me to attend a 2nd interview (exams i think..not keen in doing exam..) anyone have any experience with it?

Everyone has to go through the exams. If you are good, why worry?

not worry.. just looking for tips.. btw.. prefer pc based exam than on paper exams.. hehe

don't really remember me doing a test before joining but i hv some fun in Exact. This is some weird company. When i was there, they were expanding and 3 mths later, they need to re-structure. staff leave like lalat kena squash. That was abt 5-6yrs ago. Now they are re-structuring again...!!!

One funny thing about this company is when i was there, handphone ringing are not allowed in the office. If you are caught with your phone ringing, you'll get a nasty mail from one of those ang moh. But i think its some weird policy of that particular ang moh... heard he has left the company.

as a fren recently told me, Exact gv half mth bonus for the first time in many many years.

I think Exact is rather "popular" among recruitment firm. When headhunter saw Exact in my resume, they would ask me abt the company.

Exact use to have some good people but most of those i know left due to work environment. If you wanna join them, grill the HR fella that interview you about the work culture there...!!!

This post has been edited by demio121: Apr 11 2007, 04:02 PM

i heard you will learn alot from the ERP system. My friends just joined and beeing sent to holland for training. IF you guy wanan work there, better prepare yourself to take the stress.

i think the gila hr mgr not there liao....

It's not a bad deal. Bonded 1.5 years for a trip to the Netherlands worth about RM10k. Finish 1.5 years, then leave. Learn a lot about ERP somebody said. Well, good luck on that.

my head hunter arranged an interview session for me around next week.. going there to see whats up.. will update later hehe

anyone know how about LG Cost Center workload and bosses? (QC)

how does the training and assessment work? isit difficult to pass the assessment??

is there any politic in QC department??


This post has been edited by ahmoi23: May 4 2007, 03:29 PM

I heard a rumors from that company: "one of the managers threaten his staffs that if the staff keep on giving out those negative attitude in the company, the manager can make his life very misery. He can just make few calls and then the whole IT fields in Malaysia will not hire him in future." Is this the way a manager to manage his staffs ?

yes some managers is like tat.
if u go interview maybe employers at there will call ur ex-company for ur personality.

My friend saw their so called prominent leading technical design team buying "XML for Dummies" and "Web Service Beginner Guide" @ Kinokuniya.

more than 50 ppl left this company for the past few months, and its going to be more and more. pity new staffs, all kena conned.

HR sucks (the worst HR manager and staffs that i have ever seen), management sucks, staff's quality sucks .....

who are we is going to take over Exact !!
now we all praying very hard to get a job asap ... so that we wont be threaten by him tat he is going to make a few phone calls to make our lifes miserable.

by the way, if you are not a good shoe polisher or not a talk cock king, DONT join Exact, u will regret!

It's not a rumors, that mister did say so to "advise" his staff to be a "good boy". What a joke, I dare not say much here, if not he goes and make a few phone calls to shake the whole IT industry in Malaysia and make me misery, leave me no choie but to go sell Char Kuey Teow or Nasi Lemak then jialat.

Guys, be careful of what you typed too

Wow so many people left. Worked at same building oso but always saw exact staff wearing the red tags during lunch. But so many left still got a lot staff.

wah.. if the manager has personal dislike towards you then you die.. even if you didn't do anything wrong... or even if what you do is not a really big problem .. i think your future is with selling "nasi lemak"

who knows.. "nasi lemak" also can't sell.. because the "nasi lemak" industry also will know...

anyway... rumours are rumours lar.. let the real person speak out otherwise how do we know if it's true after all... ??

on second thoughts.. the real person might have forgiven them.. so i suggest you write about your own personal feelings rather than quoting rumours

Ahh...Exact ADC is indeed one infamous company.

indeed. And the best part is it is turning into a MLM company

They dont sing song or shouting "who are we? we are we are Syxxxxy!!"

The latest one is "Fu ... Yoh ~~~~" Can you imagine that? a software company ! (BUT i still prefer the old Exact with the 4 monkeys )

By the way, anybody wants to order kuih or nasi lemak pls feel free to call the so called GM, he told the whole company that he owns a factory making kuihs and nasi lemak. Exact orders food from his company for all the employee events or tea break or breakfast meetings or etc etc etc.

How convinient

is tat true? u guys really singg?? by the why who is the shoe polisher u guys talking about..im from other co..just so funny reading this thread

funny? wait until u join Exact.
You can either join the shoes polisher gang (where 90% of the managers are doing, especially those who under who are we's team) or sit down quietly and WATCH them polish shoes.

we dont really sing, we shout, step heavily on the floor or hit the table. Interesting?

want to have good life in Exact? tell u wat. Get to know who are we and HR manager, u will be getting lots and lots of benefit where the rest cannot get !!

although i don't like the four monkey either, but if i got to choose, i will choose the four monkey, eventhough they hamsap or dumb, but at least they not making my life miserable.

look at what this proton guy is doing, he really think this's his company, wonder the proton loosing so much money is because he monopoly the kuih and nasi lemak business in proton... hahaha. forcing proton to buy at a price higher then market rate. this's the mentality of this ultimate corrupter. he just using the company's money to bribe more shoes polisher and build his gang. damn good in politic, what a waste not become a dirty politician, just few months he now taking over the ADC.

don't know what the german idiot is here for also, oh, no.. not a idiot, he's damn smart, just join Exact and immediate go for medical leave for few months and earning he salary. then hire a shoes polisher to take over his place and now back to holand goyang kaki. please hire me for this instead, i sure can do a better job then him.

restructure the whole company to make it a mess, setup all those nonsense team that do nothing. i think Exact's CEO must be blind.

ok, it's me that having problem, you say. then try to look at the situation where more and more people resign, tell me, who's the problem. recently, even one of the ultimate shoes polisher ass man... opps, it's ass women manager also resign. can anyone see the seriousness of the problem ?

if you like this mess, or if you are shoes polisher, welcome to join the party . will not be hard to join, just polish the HR manager shoes harder will do, and you shall have a good life here.

Sound scary. If true then what I can say is I am fortunate never meet this kind of boss before

Proton guy (or we can call him as Bill Gates's best fren) is very very good in playing politics. He is now building up his own territory and i m amazed that he can do it within few months time. Thanks to the blinded German and HR. But again, HR doesnt seem to bother, in order to safe her job (like most of the staffs here). She once said, if u are not happy working here u can leave, we can hire some more. Yes, she is now happily hiring her own frens and also Proton guy's frens.

Look at all the Syxxxgy managers, those are really dump asses and only good in talking and polish shoes and YET their pay (basic + pti) is nearly 5 figures. Can u imagine some staffs are only getting 3k - 4k? Just because some managers is too good in planning, or may be just for the sake of giving good impression to Proton guy, we have to work day and night just to finish their impossible missions. At the end, managers get the credits but not us (eg. managers get to go to KLGCC for team building. Staffs can only makan kuihs and nasi lemak in office)

The manager so power ar? I am not from Exact but i work in KLCC too, sked go to work la. One day blur blur step on his toes then my company fire me how ar?

- if you would like to be managed by monkey, why do you still work with ADC?
- if you have so much pain working in ADC, why not find a better job?
Unless you are not competence enough and no other company wanted you.
- if you have the ball and what ever you said here is true. why not you raise this to top management?
do not talk to a stupid computer forum that have no life.
- why not talk to top management which (ever level you prefer eg:CEO), which manager is shoe polisher and cannot deliver.
i do not think that a public listed company will ever keep shoe polisher that can't generate value for company.
- if you think that your idea is great and can do much better than the german, why not sales your idea.
you will be the next director and you will have the right to fire all shoe polisher.
- perhaps you are leaving the office too early to see some shoe polisher work until late night.

my final advise for you is be a MAN with ball, voice out your concern face to face lound and clear.
if you do not dare to voice out your concern then sit back there and suffer,
because you just do not deserve anything. you do not even respect yourself to be a human,
you do not event have guts to express your real feeling to another human that understand you.

if i have the money, i will sure hire you to manage my company.
you have all the technique and skill set to identify shoe polisher and have brilliant idea to imporve a company.
but before that, please install your missing ball.....

now u all know how a manager (shrek3) acts right?

now u all know how cham are staffs in Exact right?

now u all know wat is shoes polisher right?

Exact is a good company, too bad it is managed by idiots like u!! shame on u.

tell me y should u care if u r not a shoe polisher? since this is just a forum but y do u care?

yah..not denying i cant find a job i m pretty sure same goes to u ... u all managers also cannot cope with the changes and stupid planning, and tell me u are not looking a job! typical Exact managers..

Erm, I think you guys need to have an anonymous board (much like 4chan) in your company network, then flame away anonymously at each other (hope the admin didn't logged ip). Ask those in NL to participate too! Much better than having a meeting right? p/s: i lol'd in amusement

I am looking forward a good time to comment ... I believe that I am one of the most suitable ones to comment ... stay tuned ....

Now adays I do heard my manger said Fu Yoh to everyone of us. I wonder whether I work in digi or Exact. I'm confuse.......... Maybe so called GM that like to shout Fu Yoh is trying to do cheap advertisement for Digi in Exact. He try to sell digi and fight with compettitor Maxis that next to this building.

Exact ADC Software in KLCC?? Basically it is a 'KANASAI' company, dunno whether the botak director from netherland still there or not his stupid name sound somehting like Donald the cartoon duck...

Basically what they do is find excuses not to pay what you suppose to get for your last month salary when u resigned, such as short payment of OT la, allowance la... I personally kena "cheated" by this so call international company RM250 when I resigned, of course they find a tonne of reasons not to pay me that RM250 la.

Shame on them, even local company will not do something like that...

Want to join the company?? Then you must be funny, people are a trying to get out from that hell la....

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Added on June 5, 2007, 11:02 pmExact ADC Software in KLCC?? Basically it is a 'KANASAI' company, dunno whether the botak director from netherland still there or not his stupid name sound somehting like Donald the cartoon duck...

Basically what they do is find excuses not to pay what you suppose to get for your last month salary when u resigned, such as short payment of OT la, allowance la... I personally kena "cheated" by this so call international company RM250 when I resigned, of course they find a tonne of reasons not to pay me that RM250 la.

Shame on them, even local company will not do something like that...

Want to join the company?? Then you must be funny, people are a trying to get out from that hell la....

This post has been edited by trytry123: Jun 5 2007, 11:02 PM

I think everyone here would like to know who is this person - shrek3. We do see many of our forumer are saying nothing but the truth about this person - proton/micorosoft guy, buy nasi lemak, person that shout fu yoh for no reason, a non stop talk person(talk like machine gun buatan russia).

Today we see shrek3 try to defence and challenge our forumer - whoarewe. I think only person who is guilty or feel bad of himself will try to defence and bother. Too many thing that is truth about shrek3 and he feel the spotlight is on him. Malay proverb is suitable for you - 'Siapa yangmakan chili dialah yang rasa pedas'.

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Added on June 5, 2007, 11:05 pmlater we will see what cyberlearner wan to comment

This post has been edited by qwertyuiop: Jun 5 2007, 11:06 PM

finally, we seen one shoes polisher (sherk3) trying to show his ball. sherk3, if you really have a ball, why not list down your name, your position and your contribution to Exact, let the world judge on it, especially those in Exact. or you want to tell me that you don't have ball ? come on, we are waiting to see how many balls you have.

you see, this's the typical mentality of the management in Exact. we work so hard for years and grow Exact into a few hundred peoples company. and these new comer telling us that we have 3 choices, first is to join their shoes polish gang and polish each other shoes and have a good life, second is to sit quietly and do the stupid thing they ask us to do and enjoy the miserable life, third is to leave. they don't even want to find out what's the problem. they just telling you that, "yes, I want to hear the truth", and on the other hand, asking you to leave for telling the truth.

wonder why the proton guy join Exact if he's so good, ok, he might tell me that Exact is much more better the Microsoft and even proton is better then Microsoft. why he get fired by Microsoft then ? is he in fight with Microsoft's mangement for disallowing him to sell his kuih and nasi lemak there ?

if he really a good business man, he should have stay and grow with his business. why he join Exact then ? if he really a good employee, he should have stay with his first company and work his way through. why he leave Microsoft then ? no shoes to polish ? he's just an opportunist

Seriously, if working in Exact is as bad as you describe, then why don't you just leave the company? If you've got the qualifications, skills and knowledge, I'm sure you'd be able to secure a job with a better future.

Office politics... which company doesn't have them? Even in government offices (where everyone thinks life is a bore!), staff play office politics too. Why? Simply coz they think that's the fastest way to get noticed and move up the corporate ladder. Yes... there are shoe polishers in Exact, but there will come a time when these shoe polishers have to proof their worth. Recent changes in the org structure have seen a reshuffling of the middle management, with some of those "shoe polishers" being assigned to manage new teams. Don't you notice that amongst those that have resigned, there are those "shoe polishers" who no longer can shine shoes and kiss those "white asses" like they used to? It is pretty obvious that the reshuffling exercise is also testing their capabilities. Perhaps they are also aware that they can no longer "have their cake and eat it" and have decided to move on.

Yes, there are also staff leaving because of many other reasons. Some because of higher pay, better job prospects, change of job scope, travel opportunities, etc. The list can go on and just narrowing it down to simply blaming the current management is a rather shallow analysis of the situation.

"The 4 monkeys"... what good have they brought? All those promotion and high increment for "shoe polishers" was done during the 4 Monkeys' era. Now that they are no longer in the management, these "shoe polishers" are also scared shit of they own "rice bowl".

Is there really nothing positive to say? I think you're missing out on a recent case where the management DID listen to what the staff had to say. For example, a Mgr was "demoted" when his staff grouped up and complained about him to the Management. He transferred to another team and eventually left the company. This example has shown the middle mgmt that they are not as high-and-mighty as they think. Some are beginning to show some improvement in their people-skills, unlike before where there were Mgrs who shouted at their staff without giving a damn whether other people heard. What about those all-expense paid sports activities organized for staff? And extra fund allocation for self-organized team events? Bear in mind that not many companies would pay for these extra curricular activities.

Management change/ restructuring happens ... and usually old staff find it the hardest to embrace new changes. Maybe some of the planning and processes are questionable, but a lot of what is currently being implemented is done as a learning process for a lot of the middle mgmt and staff. Maybe, we should give the new management setup a chance to proof what they can do. It's been barely a few months and is still too early to say how good or bad they are. Sometimes, if you don't try, you don't know.

As for team building at KLGCC for the Managers, so what about it? Lots of other companies do that for their managers too! If you're so concerned about spending the day at KLGCC, then do something and get yourself promoted. Become a Manager... then go and have your lunch at KLGCC. And, don't forget to treat your staff too!

BTW... the singing has already stopped. And step heavily on the floor and hitting tables??? Haven't seen that yet.

Look like you also agree that they are people singing. And finally they admit is kind of wrong thing and stop it.