Cyberjaya - Discussion on the next phase of growth!!





This post has been edited by noblebaby: Jun 10 2014, 04:45 PM

Long term investment - YES.
Short term Flip / rent - NO

For own stay - yes, hot spots
Flipping - very tough, demand much less than supply.
For summer glades the developer still struggling to sell their leftover units.

Maybe Condo still can aim for rental income..

What consider good and not good?...if can get positive cash flow of RM 300 from the rental, consider good or average or not good?

I think it is good as long as u get positive cash flow n owned a property for free.

Agree and fair comment from Soros007 boss, the buyer of Cyberjaya itself.

Cyberjaya is still a quite new township, with great proper master planning and infrastructure, while the government is trying everything to move their offices to Cyberjaya as well as conditional agreements with MNC companies to open their quarters at Cyberjaya.

IMHO, Cyberjaya needs time and the future is there.

Long term investment wise, it would be very great. I'd say about 10 years minimum.
Short term flip / rent, I don't think it would be aggressive for at least for next 5 years due to multiple projects on-going.

10 years later me n bro soros will hit 44. Still not tht old. Working hard to accumulate more cyberjaya properties.

10 years later?
Tats was what said 15 years ago when the MSC was started.
Anyway, since many reputable developer starts constructing there now, do hope the prospect will be better

According to propcafe.net there are 13 shopping mall in the making in Cbj. Both Big and small ones.
I don't know how they able to survive and competiting with each others.

Even in matured area like Dsara, the curve was quite, no business, car parks were empty for the first 5 years of opening.

If 10 years not enough giv it 20 years. Just nice for retirement.

I am cyber buyer, my opinion is cyber will be one of the best city within 5 years.

I used to work in cyber but I leave there at 2011, 2013 i go back...i saw many changes and the place is growing rapidly.

I asked 10 ex-coll, 9 out of 10 said cyber is a good place to stay and they believe cyber will become a good city. security wise, there not many place in klang valley, u walk on the street, u wont feel like kena snatch anytime...(not believe me? check with your fren who work in cyber)

its ok for those who not look good at cyber, once D'pulze (the 1st shopping mall in cyber with cinema) completed, those who never visit cyber will pay a visit to cyber so they can feel the environment

it will be more or less like Publika environment, feng shui master can cheat u 10 years...D'pulze wil start operate before 2015, 1.5years only...can check if I am talk big

This post has been edited by blowwater101: Jun 16 2013, 04:20 PM

I believe some of them are small street mall....

More better than less isnt it ? the strong and good one will stay and the lousy one will be eliminate...it force them to do better and dfferenciate themself from other malls...good if they can lower down the rental and encourage ppl to open shop there...

Cyber is not vr big, 2 good shopping mall is good enough.

where is the crowd ? chicken & egg question i think cinema (TGV/GSC) is one of the key success factor...

That is because no nighttime population. Less chances for the robbers to find target and hit the jackpot.
No where is safe in the country. Robbers are very mobile!!

Holding power is the key!

No power no talk

I just came back from MK, saw many expat walking on the street....try to observe MK, not many motorbikes...

In cyber, My ex coll saw expat walk to their office...

In future i not sure, but so far for those ummature city or town, Cyber has the best chance to transform to be a place like MK, or even better

Indeed holding power is key ....noted many completed projects in CBJ or 16Sierra or D'Alpina has high vacancy rate....only paper profit but subsales are slow

after all, more people believe cyberjaya is not hotspot!

Walking? Now bad haze outdoor lah...

allow me to say something regarding 16Sierra or D'Apina...Seri kembangan/Serdang ppl normally like to stay inside serdang even though is deep inside serdang, Nobody will care 16Sierra or DA located in strategic location (serdang got many rich uncles, they have sentiment to serdang, thats y serdang expensive link house or bangalow can be sold out and all absorb by serdang ppl)

Many serdang ppl moved to putra permai/equine park, further than that, is consider vr far...

Puchong ppl dont think Puchong south location is strategic...so 16sierra & DA is stucked in the middle...who is their target buyer?

my ex coll just seen it...haha...

Even i working in KLCC area now, I saw quite a few mat salleh driving Vespa scooter to work...the haze in KL is even worst...

Glad to know that Cyberjaya is not a hot spot now. So can continue to invest now.

Not a hotspot but selling at hotspot price...

Hopefully 4 years from now Cyber can have more night population with new malls being built.

My friend in mall management told me D'pulze is on track for opening nxt year. So far 80% leased. My friend is COO of a listed company in msia, I guess his words r trustable.

Hi Bro, i think it would be more meaningful is the answer can breakdown to different category

1. Yes, I bought in Cyber
2. Yes, I didnt buy in cyber
3. No

The result of No.2 & 3 is important

Mayb can ask bro xxyap to add the poll in his thread "why u buy cyberjaya". Now I jus wan to know is ppl thinks cyber is a hotspot or not. If it is hot, I guess the price will b higher. Still many phases hav not launched yet for SH, SEG, SR, N99, lakefront, etc etc.

3. No. I havent bought but want to explore more.
4. No. I will not buy in the next 5 years
5. No. I will not touch Cbj property at all.

Then i dont really understand your logic about glad to know cyber is not hot, u can continue to invest ? Im rookie, enligten me abit la...haha

I guess u confident that CYber will be hot spot in near future, so u will continue to buy before cyber become a hot spot (a place like desa park city, not afforable anymore) ? am i right ?

Yes. Continue to buy now since cyber is still not hot. When it is super hot, the price will b higher than todays. But I m not going to sell as I m a property collector, lol.

My friend in mall management told me there will be many big n small retails in cyber... I anwered him "oversupply right? Business die lor"... he replied "no, it showed the potential vibrancy of the well planned township"... and he thinks Cyber location will b quite central in the future. He also told me big mall will be vry hard to survive in the future due to high rental, smaller retails hav better chance... now he is vry headache of how to turn the business model of the big malls under his management.

This post has been edited by noblebaby: Jun 16 2013, 06:48 PM

cyberjaya is township for what sort of people? as far as I know, many african and me students are there

have u been to cyberjaya ? personally i like the environment in cyber vr much, I can paint a vr good picture for u but it will sounds vr bias...

I suggest u pay a visit to cyber during lunch time or dinner time...

I think he is a student in cyberjaya lol... wat students want r entertainments n night life... a place for them to stay until 3-4am. Lol. Without these, the town is a ghost town. Lol. I was a student b4. Lol

But if cyber is not a hotspot but now already selling at hotspot price, still can invest?

Hi bro, my opinion is Even if all forumer agree that Cyber is a hot spot area, it doesnt mean that u can simply buy any project with hot spot price. U still have to do your homework & research to check which project has more potential & better chance to make money.

I dont expect all project in cyber is good & i never told ppl all project in cyber can buy even tho i like cyber and I trust the future of cyber...

If u dont trust, just dont touch cyber as it is selling with premium price.

I hope this detail review can help u

http://www.propcafe.net/cyberjaya-love-it-or-hate-it/

It is growing indeed. But wait few years, wait who live there. If all of the investors end up renting the place out to the wrong peoples, in the end CBJ will end up be the same as Klang valley too.

I really hope investors and the developers there would be more selective for the future of the area.

I notice that some who invested here are not actually plan to live there when VP, some of them working abroad earning decent foreign currency, with strong borrowing capacity.

I still have many friends who work in CBJ and refused to live in CBJ

Of course....for all project....not all ppl buy for own stay...

I have many ex coll in cyber refused to stay in cyber due to for eg, stay near with family or already have family and settle down in 1 place

but most of them agreed cyber is a good place to stay

IMHO, ppl or even cyber workers do not prefer to stay there are due to:-
1). No SRJK © at the moment - but to be completed in 2014/5.
2). No shopping malls - 1st will be D'pulze followed by remaining 10+ big / small malls. Mostly VP by 2016/7 such as Skypark.
Yes, even though mature place like Damansara, The Curve still required 5 years to be vibrant and hot. But, I am OK to wait since I am only paying half the price in DPC to own a good landed residential area on condition to wait for 5-8 yrs.
3). No many restaurant / food choices or expensive etc - it's only the chicken and eggs issue. The last few visits I noticed that there are new shops opening in cyber every month. Yes, at the moment the food in some places are expensive but in future where competitiveness comes into the picture, the food price will be self adjusted to suit market demand to survive.
4). Now cyber only has few educational institutes. Bear in mind that few more uni and colleges are coming up. number of population will shoot up which driving commercial activities.
5). Cyber will be vibrant / hot or not - I think the developer will worry than any of us since they own some land there and need to push the sales. They have to make it HOT in order to sell.
6). No more lands to be developed in north klang valley - all major developments are shifting to south now. If developers don't goring south Klang valley like cyber, how are they going to make more $$$ from development? In addition, not many F/H lands in south klang valley.
7). Accessibilities are one of the most critical factors to be considered - 20mins drive to KLCC / KLIA / Puchong - ideal for rich upgrader.
8). Yes, cyber takes time to grow and to be vibrant. But which city in this world doesn't? Even DPC also took 1st 5 yrs to attract ppl from Kepong to accept it. Cyber has a better start - attract MNC local workers + KLIA2 workers.

8). Last but not least - Why ppl wants to stay far away from working area if:-
a). Education for kids are at doorstep distance (international school, SRJK ©, cyber smart school etc).
b). Shopping malls are nearby - skypark, Pangaea, D'pulze........etc
c). Good living environment with plenty of green + landscape + developed under one master developer!
d). Accessibilities to KLCC, KLIA, Puchong and IOI Resort City Mall (similar to Mid Valley) and reachable within 20mins+.
e). Safe and good quality of community - GnG with recreational facilities.

Give cyber another 5 yrs, both commercials and residential have to be growing at the same time.
Personally - The one I like most are - peaceful, greenery, safe and resort feel lifestyle in cyber but 20mins drive away from office/airport

Sorry to say that - location of 16 Sierra and D'alpina are not ideal.
In between Cyber, puchong and SK.
Accessibility is via LDP / SKVE plus bottleneck road / fly over into the residential area.
No nearby offices / commercials / shops..... a bit susah to stay there ler.
Don't shoot me - it's my 2 cents only

Spot on.

I have enough buy in cyber liau....bro noblebaby jia you!

Landed will be more n more expensive...... Good buy is still GR now.

IMHO - Cyber is not a hot spot now.
But it will be once all commercials are in place.
Don't forget the putrajaya effect.

These are minor problem in fact which part of klang valley has no African + ME?

wah lao eh....salute..

The point i like the most peaceful, greenery, safe and resort feel lifestyle

Ideally, buy a Vespa scooter or superbike & working cyber, 5-10mins away from office,.

Can jog in the residence garden after work...cinema just 5-10mins away without massive jam in highway...

I am only bullish on landed F/H, GnG with good concepts in cyber.
High rise for me - self staying OK but investment - better stay away

Same like u bro noblebaby - real estates are for long term investment + lock in inflation.
Making fast money - FOREX!

Talking about Cbj. It is a love-hate decision.
Either u love it 100% or a no go ( no matter how others hard sell to u). No middle ground !!
This is what I can conclude.

This post has been edited by cheahcw2003: Jun 16 2013, 11:29 PM

So fast close shop? Yup looking to buy another landed.

Boss buy landed and at the same time try invest in commi. When time is mature, sell the commi. Can use the profit to support ur sweet home.

I guess this is a good way, buy 2 units in each development.

+1

I always believe that pioneer makes the most profits thus shot my bullets into SEG phase 1 ma. Lol

Absolutely agree with bro Cheah.
I was 100% hate but turn into 100% like after months of studies n self exploration in cyber.
Except cyber, there is always some areas.
Buy what you like. Like what you buy


This post has been edited by Soros007: Jun 17 2013, 07:33 AM

love or ignore la...Cyber is selling at premium price, must love the place before anyone decided to buy or invest...

ya..there is always some other good areas to invest..

But peaceful GnG environment in modern city...Cyberjaya itu dia

This post has been edited by blowwater101: Jun 17 2013, 09:12 AM

i don't think you can find many places like cbj.
gov spends hundreds of millions to maintain the infrastructures/landscaping.
normally local council won't accept development with high maintenance cost except g&g.
just my 2cents.

"Master developer will be investing RM20 billions over next 5years (2012-2017) in Cyberjaya to bring this township to another level. RM2 billions have been spent so far. "

Many ppl might not clear about the infrastructures/landscaping...mayb i can give few examples which we can see instead of unify clable or green environment...

ROAD. Try to compare the road in cyber to other area, the road in cyber is vr wide, and much lesser hole conpare to other expatriate area like MK. driving in cyber give u a good feeling.

There is no flyover in cyber (hope they wont build any in future)...all road are wide and well planned & organised like grid

all i want to say is the basic infrastructure allow cyber to qualify to one of the best liveable city.

This post has been edited by blowwater101: Jun 17 2013, 11:46 AM

which unit you invested in cyber bro?

Hi Bro, it should not be your favour, MBTL condo

Own stay cum investment...

When ll it be completed?

estimated date June 2014.

R there many ang mo working in cyberjaya? How about business traveller?

No idea bro...will check with my fren if i got chance

Pls help to check with ur friends thanks.

I purchased a unit at Citadines D'pulze recently. If the demand for serviced residence is strong in cyber, I m looking to buy more.

Thanks for trusting me...my fren in cyber 10 fingers can count le ...but i will check and see as I wish to know also..

Last year my fren told me that ang mo in Hewlett packard start leaving...due to the high salary and HP cut cost...summore they based in MY by contract basis...let me check and let u know...

u collect prop like ppl collect stamp

Bro,
Good quality Semi-D FF in SEG for renting too.... member price for your ang mo friend!
wakakaka....lol

Really hope Google will b in cyber. To me Google is the best and most innovative company in the world. Build a Google high tech village.

I think one day they will move in cyber (blow water )

currently they outsource their sales & mkt to prof inside sales company...

Rent to company easier to collect rent lol

I see many ang mo in G&G iskandar

I see value in cyberjaya. Price is not important at the moment. We need higher quality MNCs.

if im not wrong, ang mo dont like landed prop wo...mayb my mirage got higher chance...U better ask bro noble persuade more singaporean to retire in cyber la...spent Rm2mil to stay in decent place and have a luxurious lifestyle...

those MNC in cyber is unlike those MNC in KL, operate in a tall building...just share the IT & FIn hub of Hewlett Packard, let those ppl who never visit cyber to feel how is CBJ or MNC in Cyber looks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba1es3zm3jM

This video captured 2 years ago

i think you are wrong.
Financially strong ang mo / family type likes only landed with greenery living environment especially those with resort feeling.
Those staying in high rise - mainly are single or couple with tight budget.
No offence - that's how my Aus houses being rented out.

good sharing

I think there is more supply than demand in Cyberjaya since there is many new upcoming project. To flip a property is the wrong choice instead to collect rental income wud be a better choice and to wait for property value to appreciate as more MNC's or new companies open their branch over there than it would lure more expat's/locals to work and stay there

Honestly if u ask me....i dont hope that ppl move to cyber is bcos of MNC company, is bcos cyber is really a good place to stay instead...even they working in KL area...my vision to cyber is a place like desa park city..

Yup. i agree. ang mo like landed. In singapore, not many landed to rent, so ang mo will normally rent ground floor unit with big patio, or big condo unit with 4 bedrooms.

I think most of the buyers dont buy cyber because of MNC.
It's good to have MNC but not necessary must have.
Cyber is more treated like a HER area.

Based on the latest poll - the ground sentiment is either you like it very much or you hate it very much!
No such thing as in between! LOL

Hahaha, i have asked 5 of my colleagues about the Cyberjaya potential

All replied



including myself.

So you should know extra 6 votes goes to where

btw, i saw someone says own stay because hotspots. I lolz

thanks for the feedback...i believe noblebaby bro appreciate all kind of feedback no matter its positibe or negative...

anyway...prevously nobody look good to those who bought desa park city or setia alam earlier phase...we will see

Hehe, if not allowed to say No, then this poll will become rubbish

DPC and SA different, i still can find BKT there .

This post has been edited by nilambanting: Jun 18 2013, 01:55 PM

No is very welcome in previous post, Soros bro already summarize the answer NO with details already

just your comment make all the big developer looks stupid (or u can said developer transfer the risk to us, but 1st of all, developer buy the land with premium price)...its ok la...i buy for own stay, even if u ask me to move in now im fine.

U working in cyber ?

can find BKT in cyber means the place tak boleh ? most of the cyber investor checked cyber master plan for next 5 year before we invest la...is this point more convince ?

This post has been edited by blowwater101: Jun 18 2013, 02:04 PM

honestly, i hope to see more "NO" ... even myself voted "NO"

This post has been edited by noblebaby: Jun 18 2013, 02:00 PM

many pilots and stewardesses bought house in Cyber.

Nilam bro. we got some stuffs about prop doing over there. cheap

Cyber is not a hotspot, but still ppls buy......

No lah, developer wont look stupid. they are smart on how to manipulate more people to buy which only show the plus points. Die hard fans will follow

land with premium price? you research any of the cyber land before? those so called prime land is cheap.

read this http://property.bernama.com/detail.php?id=567912

Doesnt means the developer selling the units at expensive price, means the land must be acquired at premium rates. No such things. Just dont blind blind follow.

Btw, no BKT = if like, no honey no bee ( for some people )

yeah, they got too much $$$ dont know where to put

http://property.bernama.com/detail.php?id=567912

in case you dont know how to calculate the land price psft, is rm36 only
I believe is before conversion. After convert maybe around rm65psft only

Although I bought 2 SEG semi-Ds for own stay and i still say 'No" - Not hotspot for time being.
But after 5 years - i will say YES.
Maybe i am stupid? lol

Then your statement make investor or buyer looks stupid I wish i have alot of money...haha

if cyber cant be flourish in 5 years, then the big developer disapoint their fans together...1st time in history...ok lo...my fate

anyway...it doesnt mean all big developer gather in one place means that place must be good....I do my detail homework already...same as soros bro as he can listed down the reason NO to cyber...and we know the solution for all the NO

Be good or bad - prop investment it's all about the vision.
My vision to SEG / SH and SR are - A smaller version of DPC that surrounded by diff commercial components.


thanks for the feedback...i believe noblebaby bro appreciate all kind of feedback no matter its positibe or negative...

anyway...prevously nobody look good to those who bought desa park city or setia alam earlier phase...we will see

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