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TScamillenoir
post May 2 2010, 12:55 AM, updated 14y ago

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WELCOME To The TTT Club!! Enjoy your stay here!!


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post May 2 2010, 12:56 AM

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TTT Quick Guide 01 - Habitat Setup:
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TTT Quick Guide 02 - Lighting & Basking:
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TTT Quick Guide 03 - Food Source (Vege):
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TTT Quick Guide 04 - Teaching them to eat (Pellets -> Vege):
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TTT Quick Guide 05 - Determining the age :
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TTT Quick Guide 06 - Determining the gender :
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TTT Quick Guide 07 - Carapace problems counter measure:
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TTT Quick Guide 08 - Straight Carapace Length (SCL) How to measure:
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Usefull Link :-

TTT V1

TTT V2

TTT V3

TTT V4

http://www.chelydra.org
http://www.chelonia.org
http://turtlepimp.com/
http://www.turtletimes.com
http://www.turtlesales.com/
http://www.turtleforum.com/
http://www.turtlepuddle.org/
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/
http://www.empireoftheturtle.com/

Caresheet :-

Star Tortoise:
http://www.chelonia.org/articles/Geleganscare.htm
http://www.tortoisetrust.org/care/celegans.html
http://startortoises.net/index.html NEW!
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Asian Leaf Turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Cyclmeyscare.htm
www.petco.com/caresheets/turtles/Turtle_AsianLeaf.pdf
www.asianturtle.org/htm/species_Cyclemys_dentata.html
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Red Eared Slider (RES):
http://www.brentozar.com/turtles/Frequentl...edQuestions.php (FAQ)
http://www.anapsid.org/reslider.html
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/elegans.html
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/redearsliders.htm
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Painted Turtle Caresheet:
http://www.smm.org/warnernaturecenter/prog...nted_turtle.php (FAQ)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/chrysemy.html
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLanding...nted_turtle.htm (Plenty of pics-Eastern Painted)
http://home.insightbb.com/~deenak/turtle.htm
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Map Turtle Caresheet:
http://www.unc.edu/~dtkirkpa/stuff/maps.html (Lots of reading)
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/miss...p-caresheet.htm
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Box Turtle Caresheet:
http://plato.phy.ohiou.edu/~mash/herp/boxturtlefaq.html (FAQ)
http://www.pogospals.com/pogospals/Box_Tur...ealth_Pg_1.html
http://www.pogospals.com/pogospals/Box_Tur...ealth_Pg_2.html
http://www.turtlepuddle.org/cuora/caresheet.html (Asian Box Turtle)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Camboinensiscare.htm (Malayan Box Turtle)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Terrapenecare.htm (North American Box Turtles (Terrapene)
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/TerrapenecareSZ.htm (Info and Pics)
http://www.boxturtlesite.org/ (Box turtle information page)
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Snapper Caresheet:
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLanding...ping_turtle.htm (mostly pics)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/macrocl.html (The Alligator Snapping Turtle)
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Spiny Softshell Turtle:
http://www.smm.org/warnernaturecenter/prog...hell_turtle.php (FAQ)
http://www.tortoise.org/archives/apalone.html
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/softshellcare.htm
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Stinkpot turtle:
http://gctts.org/WS/WS.php/Public/StinkpotTurtle
http://www.herpnet.net/Iowa-Herpetology/re...s/stinkpot.html
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Sideneck turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/acanthochelys_gallery.htm (Pics of different sidenecks)
http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/cs-y...eadedamazon.htm (Yellow headed sideneck)
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Longneck turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/easternlongneck.htm (Eastern longneck)
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Musk Turtle:
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/sternotheruscare.htm
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Geochelone Sulcata:
http://sulcata-station.org/
http://www.anapsid.org/sulcata.html
http://www.chelonia.org/articles/sulcatacare.htm
http://africantortoise.com/
Something usefull :-

Metabolic Bone Desease (MBD)
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/reptilesgen...metabolicbd.htm

Light and Heat
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/reptiles/a/reptlightheat.htm

UV
http://dermatology.about.com/od/glossaryu/g/uvb.htm

Floating Plants

- Water Lettuce (Pistia stratiotes)
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- Water Hyacinth (Eichhornia crassipes)
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TScamillenoir
post May 2 2010, 01:07 AM

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Turtle & Tortoise Anatomy
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Turtle & Tortoise Terminology
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TTT Jargon

WC - Wild Caught
CB - Captive Bred
CH - Captive Hatched
LTC - Long Term Captive
SCL - Straight Carapace Length
RNS - Runny Nose Syndrome
MBD - Metabolic Bone Desease
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Added on May 2, 2010, 1:11 amTop 10 posters (sorted by V4 post counts):-

1. SAMPERTH
2. budblely
3. uzairi
4. camillenoir
5. slackerz
6. milky
7. beardiekid
8. Faith+1
9. gailkun
10. wKkaY

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2. buzairi - V2
3. ugayri - V3
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post May 2 2010, 01:17 AM

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List of Protected Turtles and Tortoises under Wildlife Conservation Act 2010 (Act 716)

Schedule 1 - Protected

Carettochelydae
Carettochelys insculpta - Pig Nosed Turtle

Geoemydidae
Callagur borneoensis - Painted Terrapin
Cuora spp. - old world Box Turtle
Cyclemys dentata ( - Asian Leaf Turtle
Geomyda spengleri - Black Breasted Leaf Turtle
Heosemys depressa - Arakan Forest Turtle
Heosemys grandis - Giant Asian Pond Turtle
Heosemys spinosa - Spiny Hill Turtle
Hieremys annandalii - Yellow Headed Temple Turtle
Kachuga spp. - Roofed Turtle - except for species included in the Second Schedule
Leucocephalon yuwonoi - Sulawesi Forest Turtle
Malayemys subtrijuga - Malayan Snail Eating Turtle
Mauremys annamensis - Annam Leaf Turtle
Mauremys iversoni - Fujian Pond Turtle
Mauremys mutica - Yellow Pond Turtle
Mauremys nigricans - Red Necked Pond Turtle
Mauremys pritchardi - Pritchard's Pond Turtle
Mauremys reevesii - Reeve's Turtle
Mauremys sinensis (syn Ocadia sinensis) - Chinese Striped Necked Turtle
Notochelys platynota - Malayan Flat Shelled Turtle
Ocadia glyphistoma - Notch-Mouthed Striped-Necked Turtle
Ocadia philippeni - Philippen's Striped-Necked Turtle
Orlitia borneoensis - Malayan Giant Turtle
Sacalia bealei - Beal's Eyed Turtle
Sacalia pseudocellata - Chinese False-Eyed Turtle
Sacalia quadriocellata - Four-Eyed Turtle
Siebenrockiella crassicollis - Black Marsh Turtle
Siebenrockiella leytensis - Leyte Pond Turtle


Emydidae
Graptemys spp - (Map Turtle)
Glyptemys muhlenbergii - Bog Turtle
Terrapene sp. - American Box Turtle

Pelomedusidae
Erymnochelys madagascariensis - Madagascan Big-Headed Turtle
Peltocephalus dumeriliana - Big-Headed Amazon River Turtle
Podocnemis spp. - South American River Turtle

Platysternidae
Platysternon megacephalum- Big-Headed Turtle

Testudinidae
Chersina angulata - Angulated Tortoise
Geochelone spp.
Gopherus spp.
Homopus spp.
Indotestudo spp.
Kinixys spp.
Malacochersus tornieri
Manouria spp.
Psammbotes spp.
Testudo spp.

Trionychidae
Amyda cartilaginea - Asiatic Soft-Shelled Turtle
Chitra spp.
Dogonia subplana - Malayan Soft-Shelled Turtle
Lissemys punctata
Lissemys scutata
Palea steindachner - Wattle-Nnecked Soft-Shelled Turtle
Pelochelys spp.
Pelodiscus axenaria
Pelodiscus maackii
Pelodiscus parviformis
Rafetus swinhoei

Schedule 2 - Totally Protected

Chelidae
Chelodina mccordi - Roti Island Snake-Necked Turtle
Chelodina parkeri - Parker's Snake-Necked Turtle
Chelodina pritchardi - Pritchard's Snake-Necked Turtle
Pseudemydura umbrina - Western Swamp Turtle

Emydidae
Terrapene coahuila - Aquatic Box Turtle

Geoemydidae
Batagur affinis - Southern River Terrapin
Batagur baska - Northern River Terrapin
Geoclemys hamiltonii - Black Pond Turtle
Pangshura tecta - Indian Roofed Turtle
Melanochelys tricarinata - Three-Keeled Turtle
Morenia ocellata - Burmese Peacock Terrapin

Testudinidae
Chelonoidis nigra - Galapagos Giant Tortoise
Astrochelys radiata - Radiated Tortoise
Astrochelys yniphora - Ploughshare Tortoise
Gopherus flavomarginatus
Psammabotes geometricus - Geometric Tortoise
Pyxis arachnoides - Spider Tortoise
Pyxis planicauda - Flat-Backed Spider Tortoise'
Testudo kleimanni - Egyptian Tortoise
Testudo werneri - Negev Tortoise

Trionychidae
Apalone ater
Aspideretes gangeticus
Aspideretes hurum
Aspideretes nigricans

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post May 2 2010, 01:20 AM

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congrats!

Wanna ask..biggrin.gif

is lady finger good for Istar??...



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post May 2 2010, 01:07 PM

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Hi everyone,

I think my tortoise is a bit unhealthy. Can anyone recommend a veterinarian that knows how to treat a tortoise and is based in KL??

Thx.
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Was at Petsmore yesterday at One U, and they were selling Pancake Tortoises. First time seeing this tortoise around! There's another 2 Leopard Tortoise in the tank with them too tongue.gif
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Congrats on the new thread!!! Go turtles!!
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@TS

could you please include this into star tortoise care sheet??..

http://startortoises.net/index.html

I found the available care sheet is not detailed enough...

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QUOTE(Salicylate @ May 2 2010, 01:07 PM)
Hi everyone,

I think my tortoise is a bit unhealthy. Can anyone recommend a veterinarian that knows how to treat a tortoise and is based in KL??

Thx.
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Bro, hope ur tortoise getting well soon... sad.gif

Hope this 2 vets might help:

Dr Yeoh.
Yeoh Veterinary Clinic & Surgery
126 Jalan SS 24/2, Taman Megah, 47301 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7804 8684, Fax: 03 7805 2350

Dr Jenny. (please call first, coz not sure got transfer or not)
My Vet Animal Clinic
No.29-G, Jln Telawi 6/33,
Seksyen 6, Kota Damansara.
Tel: 03 - 6142 2122

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post May 3 2010, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 2 2010, 09:33 PM)
@TS

could you please include this into star tortoise care sheet??..

http://startortoises.net/index.html

I found the available care sheet is not detailed enough...

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QUOTE(budblely @ May 3 2010, 12:36 AM)
Bro, hope ur tortoise getting well soon... sad.gif

Hope this 2 vets might help:

Dr Yeoh.
Yeoh Veterinary Clinic & Surgery
126 Jalan SS 24/2, Taman Megah, 47301 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7804 8684, Fax: 03 7805 2350

Dr Jenny. (please call first, coz not sure got transfer or not)
My Vet Animal Clinic
No.29-G, Jln Telawi 6/33,
Seksyen 6, Kota Damansara.
Tel: 03 - 6142 2122

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Thx a lot.. But is there any other vets in KL (around Cheras area)? The 2 vet docs u recommended is really far away from my home...
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QUOTE(budblely @ May 3 2010, 12:36 AM)
Bro, hope ur tortoise getting well soon... sad.gif

Hope this 2 vets might help:

Dr Yeoh.
Yeoh Veterinary Clinic & Surgery
126 Jalan SS 24/2, Taman Megah, 47301 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7804 8684, Fax: 03 7805 2350

Dr Jenny. (please call first, coz not sure got transfer or not)
My Vet Animal Clinic
No.29-G, Jln Telawi 6/33,
Seksyen 6, Kota Damansara.
Tel: 03 - 6142 2122

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It's Jalan Cecawi
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ May 3 2010, 09:05 AM)
It's Jalan Cecawi
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QUOTE(Salicylate @ May 3 2010, 08:31 AM)
Thx a lot.. But is there any other vets in KL (around Cheras area)? The 2 vet docs u recommended is really far away from my home...
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Me also from Cheras.... but cheras area, im not sure for it lo.... doh.gif

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Cheras not good... no pro vet... or else my old turtles would hav still be here... all oso dog, cats and bird...
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Are there such thing such as over feeding a tortoise?..

well, My IStar eat like...hungry ghost!!..biggrin.gif

I feed him with 3 combinations...

1. Okra (70%)
2. Hibiscus flower(10%)
3. Hibiscus Leaf(20%)

he loves Okra very much...biggrin.gif

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Probably pyramiding?

http://www.turtlestuff.com/pyramid.html
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QUOTE(static @ May 3 2010, 10:26 PM)
I dun think it's going to be pyramiding...

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Pyramiding can be caused by any or all of the following:

A)  A diet which contains animal proteins (many tortoises are vegetarian animals, and eat NO meat whatsoever.)
B)  A diet which contains a high percentage of vegetable proteins, even for vegetarian tortoises.
C)  Not enough calcium in the diet. Calcium is very important for proper growth!
D)  Little or no exposure to natural sunlight.  Tortoises kept indoors are much more prone.
E)  Inadequate intake of Vitamin D3 in the diet and/or too much Phosphorus.
F)  Intake of grocery produce which contains too much moisture, has little vitamin content and not nearly enough fiber.
I quote the above facts from the website that u gave me...LOL

according to the website that u gave me, Pyramiding has nothing to do with over feeding..biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 3 2010, 07:02 PM)
Are there such thing such as over feeding a tortoise?..
well, My IStar eat like...hungry ghost!!..biggrin.gif
I feed him with 3 combinations...
1. Okra (70%)
2. Hibiscus flower(10%)
3. Hibiscus Leaf(20%)
he loves Okra very much...biggrin.gif
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Congrats on ur new torts. Glad to hear tey started to eat again. How big r tey? any pics?
As long as they poopoo healthy wat tey eat, then eat more better. Torts know how to stop eating when teyr full.
But also be careful wat tey eat. Torts need food hi in fiber, low in protein. Ur list should be other way round, ie. more hibiscus, less okra. I think okra is good, but too mushy = ciritbirit. I use it more as a laxative, to help digestion occasionally.
Careful on wat tey like to eat, doesnt mean its good for them. Lettuce n beans (longB, frenchB) torts love very much, but its like candy chocolate to us. Not good.
To share, heres wat i feed my leos n stars, ordered from most fed to least fed:
1) TimothyHay pellets
2) Sawi
3) SweetPotato leaves
4) Kangkong
5) Opuntia cactus (tis is bestest, but grows very slow)
6) Okra
7) Carrot skin, broccoli stem (not sure if tis is ok, so only give rarely) mayb other sifus can
comment?
8) Hibiscus (also best, but no supply)
My exp w baby Stars <4" is they r quite fragile. Need UVA/UVB lighting, water, calcium supp. N watch out for runny nose, no energy, always sleeping. Signs of a sick tort.
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QUOTE(CnT @ May 4 2010, 11:14 AM)
Congrats on ur new torts. Glad to hear tey started to eat again. How big r tey? any pics?
As long as they poopoo healthy wat tey eat, then eat more better. Torts know how to stop eating when teyr full.
But also be careful wat tey eat. Torts need food hi in fiber, low in protein. Ur list should be other way round, ie. more hibiscus, less okra. I think okra is good, but too mushy = ciritbirit. I use it more as a laxative, to help digestion occasionally.
Careful on wat tey like to eat, doesnt mean its good for them. Lettuce n beans (longB, frenchB) torts love very much, but its like candy chocolate to us. Not good.
To share, heres wat i feed my leos n stars, ordered from most fed to least fed:
1) TimothyHay pellets
2) Sawi
3) SweetPotato leaves
4) Kangkong
5) Opuntia cactus (tis is bestest, but grows very slow)
6) Okra
7) Carrot skin, broccoli stem (not sure if tis is ok, so only give rarely) mayb other sifus can
comment?
8) Hibiscus (also best, but no supply)
My exp w baby Stars <4" is they r quite fragile. Need UVA/UVB lighting, water, calcium supp. N watch out for runny nose, no energy, always sleeping. Signs of a sick tort.
Happy feeding smile.gif
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Thx man...

my Istar is around 2", every morning and evening I let him sunbath...so no worries about calcium + D3, rite? hahaha...

actually, I never see him poopoo...eat a lot dun poo, 2 days dy..is that alrite? if I soak him while sun bathing, he just wee that white thingy only...no poo...

I think I'll change his diet to mostly hibiscus leaves and flowers, with some occasional okra..biggrin.gif

here's my Istar pic...haven't got the time to buy feeding bowl...hahaha

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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 4 2010, 06:01 PM)
Thx man...
my Istar is around 2", every morning and evening I let him sunbath...so no worries about calcium + D3, rite? hahaha...
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sunlight do provide uvb that is used to synthesize vitamin D3, but it's not a source of calcium
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 4 2010, 06:29 PM)
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sunlight do provide uvb that is used to synthesize vitamin D3, but it's not a source of calcium
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but foods (hibiscus, ocra, weeds) inside got calcium dy rite?..so sun bathing + good foods, enough?

I read somewhere...giving them Calcium supplement might be harmful...


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Hello! I juz got my I~Star, and i got some question, does it need water? and can i put it in water but not covered with water?


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QUOTE(Daniel Chok @ May 4 2010, 08:26 PM)
Hello! I juz got my I~Star, and i got some question, does it need water? and can i put it in water but not covered with water?
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Can put on water for bathing n drinking (few minutes to an hour or so max ) but not in water to live in like green turtle! used to have lots of them now "
no more"
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QUOTE(Daniel Chok @ May 4 2010, 07:26 PM)
Hello! I juz got my I~Star, and i got some question, does it need water? and can i put it in water but not covered with water?
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I just got mine as well...biggrin.gif

First of all, I think u need to look at the care sheet at the front page...;D

Star tortoise should live in dry place..not wet and damp places, so no water like turtles..

but, every morning and evening, I will soak mine with warm water (not exceed their head, or they'll drown) and sun bath them...for around 15 minute..biggrin.gif

from what I read, baby tortoises need frequent soaking, as they dehydrate faster..decrease soaking when they are adult...biggrin.gif

I'm not pro, just tell u my routines...

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but foods (hibiscus, ocra, weeds) inside got calcium dy rite?..so sun bathing + good foods, enough?

I read somewhere...giving them Calcium supplement might be harmful...


in the wild, herbivorous tortoises do eat animal matters and/or minerals to compensate their calcium needs (even though the plants they consumed contained higher amount of calcium and better Ca:P ratio compared to cultivated plants).

discussions on harmful calcium supplements usually revolves around the balance of Calcium:Phosphorus ratio in supplements, in which there are brands out there with even 1:0 ratio. this ratio is better than supermarket greens which have higher phosphorus count as additional P is added through fertilizer.

as for calcium OD, yup, it is possible but it is almost unheard of compared to calcium deficiency. OD shouldn't be any problem if supplements are given in moderation.




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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 4 2010, 07:48 PM)
in the wild, herbivorous tortoises do eat animal matters and/or minerals to compensate their calcium needs (even though the plants they consumed contained higher amount of calcium and better Ca:P ratio compared to cultivated plants).

discussions on harmful calcium supplements usually revolves around the balance of Calcium:Phosphorus ratio in supplements, in which there are brands out there with even 1:0 ratio. this ratio is better than supermarket greens which have higher phosphorus count as additional P is added through fertilizer.

as for calcium OD, yup, it is possible but it is almost unheard of compared to calcium deficiency. OD shouldn't be any problem if supplements are given in moderation.
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I see I see...

can u recommend me a good supplement?..how bout exo terra's calcium + D3 supplement??

here's the stuff..biggrin.gif

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/powder_calcium_d3.php


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Do remember there are few types of supplement on sale
-multi vitamin
-pure calcium
-calcium+vit D3
-........
As in harmful ? Which type n harmful in what ways ?

From my own little humble experience it's usually the vitamin part doing the overdosing harm !!

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Do remember there are few types of supplement on sale
-multi vitamin
-pure calcium
-calcium+vit D3
-........
As in harmful ? Which type n harmful in what ways ?

From my own little humble experience it's usually the vitamin part doing the overdosing harm !!
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What I meant was the Calcium + D3 supplement..biggrin.gif

to be honest, I dunno what is the harmful part of overdosing Calcium...I just read it somewhere that it's not good to supply additional Calcium supplement, because they already get their Calcium from their foods(Hibiscus, weeds, grass, bla bla bla)...

and for the D3, frequent sun bathing in the morning and evening is enough...(that's what I read)..

dun ask me where I read it..biggrin.gif

I read a lot of different sources, and I forgot where I read it..LOL (too many dy..biggrin.gif )


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From my own little humble experience it's usually the vitamin part doing the overdosing harm !!
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yes right. as i said, calcium OD is almost unheard of.

most new keepers give out too much vitamin. the worst case is combining uvb light with D3 supplement - surefire OD.

( what humble little experience... if your experience is little, ours are miniscule smile.gif )


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used to have lots of them now no more"


i heard about that. sorry for the loss sad.gif


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can u recommend me a good supplement?..how bout exo terra's calcium + D3 supplement??


haven't tested exoterra's supplement, haven't even checked them out as they are relatively new.

many keepers swear by repcal.

(note : if your turtles bask alot under sunlight, opt for supplements without D3)


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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 4 2010, 08:13 PM)
What I meant was the Calcium + D3 supplement..biggrin.gif

to be honest, I dunno what is the harmful part of overdosing Calcium...I just read it somewhere that it's not good to supply additional Calcium supplement, because they already get their Calcium from their foods(Hibiscus, weeds, grass, bla bla bla)...

and for the D3, frequent sun bathing in the morning and evening is enough...(that's what I read)..

dun ask me where I read it..biggrin.gif

I read a lot of different sources, and I forgot where I read it..LOL (too many dy..biggrin.gif )
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 4 2010, 08:18 PM)
yes right. as i said, calcium OD is almost unheard of.

most new keepers give out too much vitamin. the worst case is combining uvb light with D3 supplement - surefire OD.

( what humble little experience... if your experience is little, ours are miniscule smile.gif )
i heard about that. sorry for the loss sad.gif
haven't tested exoterra's supplement, haven't even checked them out as they are relatively new.

many  keepers swear by repcal.

(note : if your turtles bask alot under sunlight, opt for supplements without D3)


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WAHHH...D3 also can overdose???!!!....

=_="

repcal izzit? ok then...gotta look for it..;D
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ May 4 2010, 07:32 PM)
Sandakan near me good ! From LenU or Burong ?
Can put on water for bathing n drinking (few minutes to an hour or so max ) but not in water to live in like green turtle! used to have lots of them now "
no more"
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Near you? You in Sandakan too? biggrin.gif Hmm... Where is this LenU or Burong? Do you mean LenYu? And Oh yeah, wheres other pet shops other than :

- Mile 8, Tmn Fortune Shoplots (Standard Aquarium)
- Mile 7, Beside Tmn Megah (Garden And Fish)
- Mile 5, Pasar Sibuga (I 4got the shop name)
- Mile 4, Tmn Indah Jaya (Sandakan Aquarium), Bandar Kim Fung, Near Bengkel (4got the name too..)
- Mile 2, Tmn Yeng Seng (Birds Petshop)
- Hsiang Garden (Len Yu)
- Bandar Ramai Ramai (Aquarium).
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QUOTE(Daniel Chok @ May 4 2010, 10:31 PM)
Near you? You in Sandakan too? biggrin.gif  Hmm... Where is this LenU or Burong? Do you mean LenYu? And Oh yeah, wheres other pet shops other than :

- Mile 8, Tmn Fortune Shoplots (Standard Aquarium)
- Mile 7, Beside Tmn Megah (Garden And Fish)
- Mile 5, Pasar Sibuga (I 4got the shop name)
- Mile 4, Tmn Indah Jaya (Sandakan Aquarium), Bandar Kim Fung, Near Bengkel (4got the name too..)
- Mile 2, Tmn Yeng Seng (Birds Petshop)
- Hsiang Garden (Len Yu)
- Bandar Ramai Ramai (Aquarium).
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I am from Twu ! All the other shop can only get the regular stuff beside the mile 2(burong) n Hsiang garden(Len yu)
Since your Istar from Len yu r you the buyer who ordered a pr of alligator snapper turtle n more ? As Len yu just got a pr of alligator snapper turtle n a pr of sulcata in from over here in Twu due to special request !

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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 4 2010, 06:01 PM)
Thx man...
my Istar is around 2", every morning and evening I let him sunbath...so no worries about calcium + D3, rite? hahaha...
actually, I never see him poopoo...eat a lot dun poo, 2 days dy..is that alrite? if I soak him while sun bathing, he just wee that white thingy only...no poo...
I think I'll change his diet to mostly hibiscus leaves and flowers, with some occasional okra..biggrin.gif
here's my Istar pic...haven't got the time to buy feeding bowl...hahaha
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My torts kept outside shaded w 3-4hrs indirect sunlight. I sprinkle Calcium powder every other meal. I dont use vits or D3. Only need D3 if kept indoors w artificial sunlight.
Currently using exoterra Calc powder. Repcal hard to find n exp. Exo cheaper but powder not as fine as Repcal.
Shld monitor poopoo to assess torts health&diet. If poo watery or too soft, then mayb eating wrong thing or is sick. Torts will normally poo when soaked in water. Weewee w some white thingy is normal. Its the extra Calcium coming out.
Ur daily sunbathing n soaking is an excellent routine, n very important for baby stars. Keep at it. The only thing i can advice is mayb need extra uva/uvb lighting indoors. Baby stars easily catch cold/pneumonia.
Nice little fella u hv ter. As long as its eating well n actively walking about, u will b fine.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 4 2010, 09:18 PM)
yes right. as i said, calcium OD is almost unheard of.

most new keepers give out too much vitamin. the worst case is combining uvb light with D3 supplement - surefire OD.

( what humble little experience... if your experience is little, ours are miniscule smile.gif )
i heard about that. sorry for the loss sad.gifhaven't tested exoterra's supplement, haven't even checked them out as they are relatively new.

many  keepers swear by repcal.

(note : if your turtles bask alot under sunlight, opt for supplements without D3)


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Dont worry as most thing I got back thru you know what !! We live in Bolehland !!

Biggest lost are maybe some foreign reserve that SHOULD be in RM if I start exporting legally from another country !!

Just trying to do the right thing but got penalised and pay a huge PRICE/RM as 28 MAY is near very near its 23 days away (or is it coming)?? Anyone can update ??
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QUOTE(CnT @ May 4 2010, 11:14 AM)
Congrats on ur new torts. Glad to hear tey started to eat again. How big r tey? any pics?
As long as they poopoo healthy wat tey eat, then eat more better. Torts know how to stop eating when teyr full.
But also be careful wat tey eat. Torts need food hi in fiber, low in protein. Ur list should be other way round, ie. more hibiscus, less okra. I think okra is good, but too mushy = ciritbirit. I use it more as a laxative, to help digestion occasionally.
Careful on wat tey like to eat, doesnt mean its good for them. Lettuce n beans (longB, frenchB) torts love very much, but its like candy chocolate to us. Not good.
To share, heres wat i feed my leos n stars, ordered from most fed to least fed:
1) TimothyHay pellets
2) Sawi
3) SweetPotato leaves
4) Kangkong
5) Opuntia cactus (tis is bestest, but grows very slow)
6) Okra
7) Carrot skin, broccoli stem (not sure if tis is ok, so only give rarely) mayb other sifus can
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8) Hibiscus (also best, but no supply)
My exp w baby Stars <4" is they r quite fragile. Need UVA/UVB lighting, water, calcium supp. N watch out for runny nose, no energy, always sleeping. Signs of a sick tort.
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They chew it down? drool.gif
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Torts cannot chew, no teeth. Can only bite/cut w their beaks then swallow. They swallow the pellets whole, or mayb sometimes bite into half. The pellets i buy r the smallest size i can find. Oxbow thumbup.gif

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Dont worry as most thing I got back thru you know what !! We live in Bolehland !!

Biggest lost are maybe some foreign reserve that SHOULD be in RM if I start exporting legally from another country !!

Just trying to do the right thing but got penalised and pay a huge PRICE/RM  as 28 MAY is near very near its 23 days away (or is it coming)?? Anyone can update ??
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If not mistaken, it's May 26th. But have yet to hear anything. Could be just another "gertak"...which they are very good at. Just my RM0.02 smile.gif

p.s. Sorry to hear about your predicament.

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QUOTE(Azazel @ May 6 2010, 06:51 PM)
If not mistaken, it's May 26th. But have yet to hear anything. Could be just another "gertak"...which they are very good at. Just my RM0.02 smile.gif

p.s. Sorry to hear about your predicament.

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Maybe my mistake as 26th is a Wed while 28th is the last working day of May (at least in Sabah)
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June 28th la
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is it possible that tortoise know their owner??..
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that's called pyramiding. there are many articles on them on the internet. smile.gif

as a general rule, proper diet/husbandry will prevent extreme pyramiding.
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that's called pyramiding. there are many articles on them on the internet. smile.gif

as a general rule, proper diet/husbandry will prevent extreme pyramiding.
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hey guys, I'm thinking to starve my tortoise...

I mean feed it 2 days once (morning and night)..is it OK?...

because tortoise has very slow digestion rite?..so I think twice a day is overfeeding as well??...




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for your 2" stars, daily feeding is recommended.

twice a day is ok if given in smaller amount (as opposed to one big meal per feeding).

once they hit 3"- 4" feeding frequency can nicely be adjusted (every other day), and bigger specimens can be fed thrice weekly, etc.


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is it possible that tortoise know their owner??..
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yes.

they would learn to recognize your sight, voice, smell etc and associate them with food, not comfort smile.gif

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 8 2010, 05:19 PM)
for your 2" stars, daily feeding is recommended.

twice a day is ok if given in smaller amount (as opposed to one big meal per feeding).

once they hit 3"- 4" feeding frequency can nicely be adjusted (every other day), and bigger specimens can be fed thrice weekly, etc.


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yes.

they would learn to recognize your sight, voice, smell etc and associate them with food, not comfort smile.gif
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Hi,

i am thinking about buying an angonoka around 4-5 cm. i tried searching the internet but not much infos on care and also habitat. i understand there is some forum in mandarin but i cant read mandarin. hope someone here can guide me. lastly, is angonoka fairly easy compare to star and leopard? thanks
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Hi,

i am thinking about buying an angonoka around 4-5 cm. i tried searching the internet but not much infos on care and also habitat. i understand there is some forum in mandarin but i cant read mandarin. hope someone here can guide me. lastly, is angonoka fairly easy compare to star and leopard? thanks
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"The Angonoka or Ploughshare tortoise is one of the ten most endangered animals in the world. There are fewer than 1000 individuals left, and they are found only in one tiny area of the island nation of Madagascar. The Angonoka's favorite habitat is the coarse grass and scrub trees found near bamboo forests. The Angonoka is found only in the dry forests of the northwestern part of Madagascar." according to http://www.thewildones.org/Animals/angonoka.html

I dun think u can buy it...LOL it's endangered!!

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QUOTE(sirisaac @ May 8 2010, 07:17 PM)
Hi,

i am thinking about buying an angonoka around 4-5 cm. i tried searching the internet but not much infos on care and also habitat. i understand there is some forum in mandarin but i cant read mandarin. hope someone here can guide me. lastly, is angonoka fairly easy compare to star and leopard? thanks
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Ya easier than both star and leopard !! Maybe because it's worth more and lesser pieces imported each time thus care provided are better maybe ?


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"The Angonoka or Ploughshare tortoise is one of the ten most endangered animals in the world. There are fewer than 1000 individuals left, and they are found only in one tiny area of the island nation of Madagascar. The Angonoka's favorite habitat is the coarse grass and scrub trees found near bamboo forests. The Angonoka is found only in the dry forests of the northwestern part of Madagascar." according to http://www.thewildones.org/Animals/angonoka.html

I dun think u can buy it...LOL it's endangered!!

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So as what's quoted everwhere about less than 1000 left in the wild !! If that's the case I think captive specimen(those in captives is wat i meant) will and must be greater than those left in the wild !!
I think SHOULD instead of CAN to be used here ! ( due to their status ) LOL
But they are easily CB just need to cross BIG BIG RED TAPE (which I think a local breeder has given up on )

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we can find this Angonoka here in Malaysia??...

costs around how much arh?
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a lot. and the fines and consequences would cost even more.

we should scrap all discussions about no-export quota animals.

let's get back to discussing red eared sliders smile.gif
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a lot. and the fines and consequences would cost even more.

we should scrap all discussions about no-export quota animals.

let's get back to discussing red eared sliders  smile.gif
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LOL

hmm..

I wonder whether tortoise can crossbreed or not??..

I mean, Star + Sulcata = Tarcalta??..biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 9 2010, 01:38 AM)
LOL

hmm..

I wonder whether tortoise can crossbreed or not??..

I mean, Star + Sulcata = Tarcalta??..biggrin.gif
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Star n sulcata maybe not max adult size different too much !! Try I star with Burm Star or I elongata with I Fronstenii or red foot with radiated ........ There are life example oversea crossing Leo with sulcata or Angonoka with Radiated !!


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ May 9 2010, 08:46 AM)
Star n sulcata maybe not max adult size different too much !! Try I star with Burm Star or I elongata with I Fronstenii or red foot with radiated ........ There are life example oversea crossing Leo with sulcata or Angonoka with Radiated !!
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wow COOL...u got pic??..biggrin.gif
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anyone who did those will get whacked by conservationists and purists.

hybrids serve no purpose other than personal satisfaction and bragging rights.

(tell that to those darn cateater/bateater breeders )


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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 9 2010, 10:41 AM)
wow COOL...u got pic??..biggrin.gif
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Pic ya but don't intend to post - posted the I elongata x I fronstenii before
As for being wacked by so and so I don't bloody care anyway it's the male's fault runaway and breakinto others pen !! !

It's history already and another country biz already !!


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anyone who did those will get whacked by conservationists and purists.

hybrids serve no purpose other than personal satisfaction and bragging rights.

(tell that to those darn cateater/bateater breeders )
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Tell that to the one who planned the matching of lonesome George the galop tort !! Or the Japs who like weird one of a kind pet !! LOL


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Tell that to my great-grandpa who left China and married a Javanese. Tell that to my grandma who left Java and settled here with a Malay. Now they call me a rojak with bumiputera status!! LOL

What happened to the eggs supposedly sired by Lonesome G?
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sorry but what is happening on the 28 June?
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ May 5 2010, 06:28 PM)
Dont worry as most thing I got back thru you know what !! We live in Bolehland !!

Biggest lost are maybe some foreign reserve that SHOULD be in RM if I start exporting legally from another country !!

Just trying to do the right thing but got penalised and pay a huge PRICE/RM  as 28 MAY is near very near its 23 days away (or is it coming)?? Anyone can update ??
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Good to hear that bro, they just dont understand our part of conserving and reproducing them back to increase their number. Good luck to you bro, we'll always support you no matter what, just let us know if u need any help.
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has anyone tried giving wheat grass for tortoise??..

u know that grass rite??..some people sell it for healthy juice or something like that...

nearby my house got a grocery store who is selling that grass...

LOL

oh, I attached few pics of my Star...

wanna get your opinion and show off a bit..biggrin.gif

Is he healthy??..does he looks like normal??... smile.gif
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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 10 2010, 02:46 PM)
has anyone tried giving wheat grass for tortoise??..

u know that grass rite??..some people sell it for healthy juice or something like that...

nearby my house got a grocery store who is selling that grass...

LOL

oh, I attached few pics of my Star...

wanna get your opinion and show off a bit..biggrin.gif

Is he healthy??..does he looks like normal??...  smile.gif
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Wheatgrass may be too good a food as stable if as snack once in a while it's OK !!

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Wheatgrass may be too good a food as stable if as snack once in a while it's OK !!
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u mean it's too good as a stable???..
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Noone in Penang interested in my girl? Can anyone help me recommend my girl to anyone? Just offer me price. I really worry bout her health because I really no time take care.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1290587&hl=

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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 10 2010, 04:29 PM)
u mean it's too good as a stable???..
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Sorry it should be staple !! as with all sprout if you leave it till later it's fiber will increase n become a good food !!
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Hey guys, I got another problemmm...

he's a pick eater!...only choose Okra...then abandon the rests...after abandoning the rest of the foods, it went for an "OKRA" search..=_="

what should I do?..mix its food like rojak dy...still can pick... rclxub.gif

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Anyone can post nice enclosures for an adult star? Mine is just newspaper, water dish, and food dish =S
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What will happen if i feed my Star only with Okra?
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Depressed. One of my stars is sick. Refused to eat. No eat and poo for 4 days d. Lazy to open it eyes. Soaking him in warm water. I read online about forced feeding. How to actually do that?
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My AST small but fat like a pig! Lol.
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QUOTE(Daniel Chok @ May 13 2010, 07:02 PM)
What will happen if i feed my Star only with Okra?
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hmm..Okra is some sort of fruit...

better dun give it too much(according to the masters here)...biggrin.gif

but, It's high in calcium, low protein and low phosphorus..biggrin.gif

anddd...Tortoise like it very much!!..biggrin.gif haha


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QUOTE(beyond @ May 13 2010, 07:28 PM)
Depressed. One of my stars is sick. Refused to eat. No eat and poo for 4 days d. Lazy to open it eyes. Soaking him in warm water. I read online about forced feeding. How to actually do that?
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I think it's dyinggg... sad.gif (CMIIW)

is it RNS???...

try Okra..if it eat then better lor...

bring it to Vet to be sure...

Good luck! smile.gif


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QUOTE(Faith+1 @ May 14 2010, 01:25 AM)
My AST small but fat like a pig! Lol.
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what is AST?..biggrin.gif sulcata?

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AST - Alligator Snapping Turtle.

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AST - Alligator Snapping Turtle.

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is it similar to common snapping turtle??..

it's a very violence turtle rite?.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 14 2010, 10:41 AM)
is it similar to common snapping turtle??..

it's a very violence turtle rite?.. smile.gif
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The common snapping turtle is a very violent aggresive and insane turtle....the AST is only violent when it eats.....other than that it is not as aggresive as the common snapping turtle....example..... if u put your hand in the aquarium..... at the back of the shell of the AST.....it wont attack your hand...... only it u put your have it its mouth it will snap at it......while the common snapping turtle....if u put your hand at the back of its shell...it will attack it....
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QUOTE(jamestan_85 @ May 14 2010, 03:01 PM)
The common snapping turtle is a very violent aggresive and insane turtle....the AST is only violent when it eats.....other than that it is not as aggresive as the common snapping turtle....example..... if u put your hand in the aquarium..... at the back of the shell of the AST.....it wont attack your hand...... only it u put your have it its mouth it will snap at it......while the common snapping turtle....if u put your hand at the back of its shell...it will attack it....
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guys, please refrain from doing sales in discussion threads. it is quite apparent that people tend to overlook the RnR of this section.

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you could always open a sales thread at Pet Store section and have it linked to your siggy.

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You should be proud of that!

yes i am proud. now i need a blue-eyed eastern European to broaden the gene pool in my progenies.


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What will happen if i feed my Star only with Okra?

nutrient imbalance. equivalent to feeding a kid with chickadees exclusively. both specimens will end up having miserable lives.

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Anybody here with RES feed their sliders meat? I occasionally feed them cooked chicken, just a small piece, 5 sen size, every 2 weeks to 3 weeks. Also vegs like carrots, etc. And their regular food is the pellets.

Or just feed them pellets?
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Anybody here with RES feed their sliders meat? I occasionally feed them cooked chicken, just a small piece, 5 sen size, every 2 weeks to 3 weeks. Also vegs like carrots, etc. And their regular food is the pellets.

Or just feed them pellets?
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I had RES before...biggrin.gif and done some research on it..biggrin.gif

RES is omnivore...

RES when they are baby tend to be carnivore...so, feeding them chicken and fish is OK..biggrin.gif

when they get older, they will go for vegetables..biggrin.gif

here's a good website to learn more about RES..

http://www.redearslider.com/
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QUOTE(jamestan_85 @ May 14 2010, 03:01 PM)
The common snapping turtle is a very violent aggresive and insane turtle....the AST is only violent when it eats.....other than that it is not as aggresive as the common snapping turtle....example..... if u put your hand in the aquarium..... at the back of the shell of the AST.....it wont attack your hand...... only it u put your have it its mouth it will snap at it......while the common snapping turtle....if u put your hand at the back of its shell...it will attack it....
hahaaa! i like de way u described it...

ya, finger at de back and it will turn around and go fast for it! shocking.gif

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My sick Star passed away sometime last nite. Sad...Cant do anything for the poor fella. Rest in Peace.
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so sorry for ur loss... hmm... sad.gif
RIP 2 ur star...

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QUOTE(beyond @ May 16 2010, 09:57 AM)
My sick Star passed away sometime last nite. Sad...Cant do anything for the poor fella. Rest in Peace.
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sorry for your loss...


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QUOTE(beyond @ May 16 2010, 09:57 AM)
My sick Star passed away sometime last nite. Sad...Cant do anything for the poor fella. Rest in Peace.
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my star also passed away early this morning.. already be with me for 3 years.. SAD... RIP..

Now left 1 Sulcata n 1 Star...

Sharing with you all
http://www.sulcata-station.org/faq.html

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QUOTE(ericolim @ May 16 2010, 12:22 PM)
my star also passed away early this morning.. already be with me for 3 years.. SAD...  RIP..

Now left 1 Sulcata n 1 Star...

Sharing with you all
http://www.sulcata-station.org/faq.html
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why?? is it sudden death?
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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 16 2010, 02:25 PM)
why?? is it sudden death?
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Same symptom as our friend, Beyond's pet. Refused to eat. No eat and poo. Just open it eyes when i soaking him in warm water..

[COLOR=green]R.I.P

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This is me playing with my Tortoise, his name is Dhamma



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uzItb3OJmY <--here's the link if the above embedded video doesn't work..biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 17 2010, 08:10 PM)
This is me playing with my Tortoise, his name is Dhamma
very nice... it's a new tortoise rite? i mean u just bought it rite as it looks very small...

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very nice... it's a new tortoise rite? i mean u just bought it rite as it looks very small...

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yeah, the previous owner told me that he's around 5 or 6 months of age... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ericolim @ May 17 2010, 02:38 PM)
Same symptom as our friend, Beyond's pet. Refused to eat. No eat and poo. Just open it eyes when i soaking him in warm water..

[COLOR=green]R.I.P
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how come the star become legal to rear?
when i was young,about 10years back.my friend told me that,it is illegal to have star tortoise.
beside that,it is very expensive to maintain the star tortoise...
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heart broken in shock

two of my n my bfs turtles died yesterday out of the blue, they died right after his bday on sunday, we bought May last year on his bday itself, she was juz 1 yr old, Ai was bought last November on our first anniversary.
it really hits hard, they died together after a long period of not gaining weight and not growing... unexpected but we should have seen it coming...

i suspect they had intestine infection or salmonella bacteria...
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QUOTE(emily88 @ May 18 2010, 09:46 AM)
heart broken in shock

two of my n my bfs  turtles died yesterday out of the blue, they died right after his bday on sunday, we bought May last year on his bday itself, she was juz 1 yr old, Ai was bought last November on our first anniversary.
it really hits hard, they died together after a long period of not gaining weight and not growing... unexpected but we should have seen it coming...

i suspect they had intestine infection or salmonella bacteria...
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what turtle is that? did u bring it to see a vet immediately once u notice they not eating?
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QUOTE(Superkian @ May 18 2010, 12:35 AM)
how come the star become legal to rear?
when i was young,about 10years back.my friend told me that,it is illegal to have star tortoise.
beside that,it is very expensive to maintain the star tortoise...
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Nice to have someone to note that.

Star tortoise is protected under CITES Appendix II, India's Wildlife Protection Act 1972, Sri Lanka's Fauna and Flora Protection Ordinance of 1938 and Pakistan's Sind Wildlife Protection Ordinance 1972 BUT NOT Perhilitan's Protection of Wild Life Act 1972. In plain English, the tortoises are protected from international trade and in their native range but not here in Malaysia.

All these while, although the authorities knew that those tortoises are smuggled in, there is no single act of law that could implicate the offenders. But things are going to change real soon.

To those who still have not applied for the permission to keep *CITES-listed animals under the new INTESA rules, please contact your nearest Perhilitan office as soon as possible to get your animals **legalized. And please note that this permission is strictly for private keepers, not traders.

Thank you.

*refer to CITES website. don't ask me to list them all, as there are tonnes of them.
** at your own risk, thank you.

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Anyone know if someone already successfully applied for Permit to Keep Star Tortoise? I mean for private keepers who bought online.

Based on INTESA, Cuora Amboinensis is in AppendixII also!!
Means I have to apply permit also...??!! Sad lar..tmrw gonna call to double check.
Looking at the list , it covers a lot of the exotic turtles species sold during last few years. Means a lot of people will be affected.

So, the grace period given may be safe to apply??
Perhilitan could not confirm to me that applicants will be safe..there goes my confidence.

How?


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what turtle is that? did u bring it to see a vet immediately once u notice they not eating?
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we've been going to vets for like... for ever, seen dr vellayan and seen dr jenny too but nothing made much difference... they were eating voraciously actually, juz never absorbing nutrients... the weirdest part is that one was dead with her eyes wide open in stare, like caught in the moment, while the other had her head pointing upward, neck stiff... like it has a shock or something.... weird.... sigh
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QUOTE(Ben99 @ May 18 2010, 09:06 PM)
Anyone know if someone already successfully applied for Permit to Keep Star Tortoise? I mean for private keepers who bought online.

Based on INTESA, Cuora Amboinensis is in AppendixII also!!
Means I have to apply permit also...??!! Sad  lar..tmrw gonna call to double check.
Looking at the list , it covers a lot of the exotic turtles species sold during last few years. Means a lot of people will be affected.

So, the grace period given may be safe to apply??
Perhilitan could not confirm to me that applicants will be safe..there goes my confidence.

How?
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If in another "1st world" country during so call grace period applicant n pets will be safe but we are in "3rd word" country in regards to these !!

When you bring something more valuable ie radiated they may see $$$$ n bring out many so call by-law n ..........etc as what most people will likely to encounter on BolehLand when dealing with some department !!! - blur blur , sudden announcement without proper planning leave many loophole for their officers to trap applicants .....etc

Prove me wrong and try and apply for a pair of Radiated tortoise permit and I buy it off you for say rm 3000!!! Or triple that for a Yniphoras'
*permit must be good for breeding
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Perhilitan could not confirm to me that applicants will be safe..there goes my confidence.
we need to attract the attention of the mass media towards the matter.

once it come under public scrutiny, i.e. in the The Star etc with proper response from the director, those ikan bilis could not simply bend the law towards their liking.

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Mass media.....that's a very good idea.

If can get The Star newspaper to write an article...any sifu here would like to contribute info and talk about the predicament of MY's thousands of pet lovers with the reporter or writer?
But this may compromise the sifu's "safety", if u know what I mean.
Since June 28 is approaching, is makes sense for The Star to write an article covering the impending Wildlife Law....
I am sure many people would be happy if applicants' "safety" can be confirmed publicly by some higher authority.

Just thinking...if many people write in to The Star to write an article on this topic ..would it succeed?
Approach MPs?? ...would they even help?

Who is working in the newpapers companies?


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no need to ask the star to make an article on the matter.

we could always send letters via email to the editor to be published in the views section. the more the merrier, so that they will take this problem seriously.

i've checked the application status for the special permit - seems that some goverment agencies had also failed in obtaining theirs.


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If all else failed, just throw them pets into the local jungle. Let them have some work to do...
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Called Perhilitan today.
Cuora Amboinensis also have to apply for permit.....sheesh.

The person on the line said to download this form SKK1 to apply 1st. ( but I cannot find the download icon...maybe need to register as user 1st..)

Next she said we apply using the Form and then they will file it.
Once Perhilitan receives a notice / letter from Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment (NRE)...they will notify the applicant to pay the fees because at the moment, the Act is still not in effect.

From what she said ( and also her boss previously ) if no notice or letter is received, the 28 June may be, just may be will be delayed.....this is really inefficient and not clear communication from the G. vmad.gif


Regarding releasing into the wild....not really a good idea. I have released adult Ambos into a pond behind my home....some damn anglers fished them up and sold to the pets shops.....this really pisses me off.

Others people released the RESes for religious merit.

The last count...there were almost 10 adult RES and Ambos in the pond...now is ZERO!!!

I was hoping for baby turtles to turn up.

An uncle who is a regular angler told me some kids did it. He asked them to release back into the pond and they told him...."I can sell to pet shop for $$".

So, you see, what you release, others profit from it. It sucks!!
Why can't people just leave them be?!

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nah, azazel's point is totally legit.

it is much more convenient for keepers to just release animals into the wild rather than face legal consequences. plain and simple.

if they (wildlife people) had any idea on the real issue at hand, they would've figured out that much by now.

besides, who cares about some kids making RM10 out of a boxie when it can save their asses thousands of RM?
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 19 2010, 02:23 PM)
nah, azazel's point is totally legit.

it is much more convenient for keepers to just release animals into the wild rather than face legal consequences. plain and simple.

if they (wildlife people) had any idea on the real issue at hand, they would've figured out that much by now.

besides, who cares about some kids making RM10 out of a boxie when it can save their asses thousands of RM?
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Well, I do agree that to save thousands of RM in fines, the best and easiest way is to release into the wild.
I would do that too. Still thinking what to do with my 2 Juvi Ambos.

Personally for me, if i release my pet turtles into the wild ( ie. the pond ), I would love for them to live there, procreate and have lots of babies.
Call me crazy, but since childhood, I have always had this fascination with creating a colony of turtles or fishes in a pond/area....if anyone spoils my plan then I will be annoyed.....anyway that's just me and my crazy idea.
I also feel sorry for those Ambos kept under deplorable conditions at those pet shops near my house...many lost some scutes and badly diseased and without water.
Hope that with INTESA all these stuff will be phased out. But should not penalise the true pet lovers...Sigh.


Point 2:-
Releasing invasive species is not recommended. Bad for the ecosystem.
My personal experience, the pond used to have a self sustaining colony of gambusia (guppies), catfish and soon hock about 3 years ago.
Then someone released jaguar cichlids and flower horn into the pond.
Now, not a single guppy is left.
Even the local ghost shrimps, which I used to easily get 5 to 6 shrimps in 1 scoop, now I get 1 shrimp with 6 to 7 scoop of the net ( I am not kidding ).
After that, someone released peacock cichlids, now other than the peacock cichlids, I seldom see the anglers catch the flower horns and jaguar chilids for the last 1 year.





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Err... What are u saying? we need License to raise Star??? WTH???
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Daniel,
your pignose turtle is Carettochelys insculpta?
The above is Cites App.II

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Yes, i saw his 1. I got 1 too. What should we do abt it?

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Found something interesting in Adpost today !! Link as below

Title - WANTED: Looking for a 3" to 6" Yniphora Tortoise
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Currently in search of a 3" to 6" Yniphora Tortoise. Tortoise will need to be exported into the U.S. with the proper permits. I am currently in the process of obtaining the proper permits to import them into the U.S. I should have these permits in a very short period of time and will then be ready to accept a shipment.


http://www.adpost.com/my/pets/39683/

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USA willing to bend the rule to allow WC unknown origin CITES I animals in thru a third/transit country ??





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could be a detour for those who pm him. no one knows for sure.
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QUOTE(reptileskingdom @ May 20 2010, 07:35 PM)
could be a detour for those who pm him. no one knows for sure.
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Haha just curious !!

Who has legal Yni anywhere in this part of the world !! Some US , Europe and a few north Asian Zoo / Park maybe but doubt any for sale ever !!

If some stupid player/keeper/seller contact them and got caught maybe a first to legalised some Yni in our country !!

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Anyway how hard is it to keep and propagate this paticular sp ?? Except for few eggs per clutch and long maybe not so long incubation period ......etc HOW HARD COULD THEY BE ????


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CITES, for most part, is overrated. yniphora is critically endangered, yes, but not because of pet trade, but rather out of shrinking habitat.

if not for those so-called smugglers and self-funded illegal breeders, some of the world's most endangered species would've perished in their own native range due to development, deforestation etc.

that is a fact that perhilitan could never understand, given their rate of failure in ex-situ breeding and their lack of interest to initiate any serious one with the reptiles, even with government funding.
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Sam, i will take that as a great news from your side. haha. congrats on that.

cam, they can be made to understand of all the above points. Given that " you help them, they help you"
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QUOTE(reptileskingdom @ May 21 2010, 01:14 AM)
Sam, i will take that as a great news from your side. haha. congrats on that.

cam, they can be made to understand of all the above points. Given that " you help them, they help you"
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That great new is second season's but also the last to happen on BolehLand as the shelled breeder had migrated oversea !!
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[WTB] Alligator Snapping turtle (3-5inch)
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Hi to all pro...i finding 1 pair of star tortoise bt i could nt find any1 selling any recommend seller?thanks alot
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Hi to all pro...i finding 1 pair of star tortoise bt i could nt find any1 selling any recommend seller?thanks alot
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cam sial la korang...

Just mentioned and one more fella come here asking..Go la petshop..

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Wat a rude guy...i jus asking over here...i bela pet nt 4 fun n i think twice b4 i do tis,dun showed ur rude to me i didnt owe u anything...u dun respect to others,others also wont respect to u

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QUOTE(wp188 @ May 23 2010, 06:40 PM)
Wat a rude guy...i jus asking over here...i bela pet nt 4 fun n i think twice b4 i do tis,dun showed ur rude to me i didnt owe u anything...u dun respect to others,others also wont respect to u
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Actually, U cannot post anything that u wan to buy or sell in this thread.. he says that because earlier also got a guy post something about wanted to buy. So.. Kena lar.. You better go to the Garage Sales Thread. Peace Bro. =)
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guys, please. profanity is not tolerated here.

username jamestan had posted WTS/WTB posts 3 times in this thread and all those posts had been deleted out of necessity.

wpp188's question is discreet enough, it's not an advertisement. general questions like recommendations for sellers don't fall under the WTA/WTB/WTS rule. in fact, we can all freely discuss sources of good pets, good supplements, etc as long as they do not involve advertisements.

fyi and thank you.

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 24 2010, 07:03 AM)
guys, please. profanity is not tolerated here.

username jamestan had posted WTS/WTB posts 3 times in this thread and all those posts had been deleted out of necessity.

wpp188's question is discreet enough, it's not an advertisement. general questions like recommendations for sellers don't fall under the WTA/WTB/WTS rule. in fact, we can all freely discuss sources of good pets, good supplements, etc as long as they do not involve advertisements.

fyi and thank you.
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Thank you camillenoir...I nt come in here to flame or make flame...the forum is gd tht they let all the pet lover hav a place to learn each others,noe each others & of course learn anything abt the pet...i jus asking any recommended seller nt try to ask [WTB]...although currently i havent found any gd seller n of course i vil keep find...i hope we can learn each others respect each others thanks =)
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QUOTE(wp188 @ May 23 2010, 12:54 AM)
Hi to all pro...i finding 1 pair of star tortoise bt i could nt find any1 selling any recommend seller?thanks alot
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Wat size u looking for? Search for nonono got a thread selling babies, but dunno if now got stock.
If in PJ, the petshop at Paramount got 2 big ones, ~6". Dunno if its a pair. Dunno if 4sale or not.
OTT not many place got stars now. Getting harder to find.

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QUOTE(CnT @ May 24 2010, 05:23 PM)
Wat size u looking for? Search for nonono got a thread selling babies, but dunno if now got stock.
If in PJ, the petshop at Paramount got 2 big ones, ~6". Dunno if its a pair. Dunno if 4sale or not.
OTT not many place got stars now. Getting harder to find.

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Thanks alot for the information ya~~ biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wp188 @ May 24 2010, 06:51 PM)
Thanks alot for the information ya~~ biggrin.gif
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The paramount shop not selling his stars...taht day i ask d.... he said someone offer him 2k he also dont sell...
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hello.

what is your staple food for your star tortoise?

the info sheets, say all the non-asian vegetables.. mustard green, collard greens.. my market dont know those names.. ada malay name for those kah?

further reading.. star enjoys a grass staple diet, not those veges found in the store.. is our asian grass suitable??

the common diet i see after reading this TTT forum from V1 to V5. kangkong, kacang panjang & sawi.

correct me, TTT members please..
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QUOTE(EdShal @ May 26 2010, 05:39 PM)

the common diet i see after reading this TTT forum from V1 to V5. kangkong, kacang panjang & sawi.

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that's the common wrong diet LOL

beans contain too much protein, which would cause abnormal growth of shells and keratin parts (beak, nails). there was one sorry SOB from back then who intentionally fed his tortoises with beans just because he likes pyramiding.

ideally, they should be fed with high-fibered plant parts - grass, hibiscus, opuntia (go for spineless/glochidless species such as cochenillifera, ellisiana etc or those with few spines like ficus-indica, robusta, reticulata etc), dandelion, clovers etc.

since most keepers are too busy (read: lazy) to provide those, they improvise by providing mixed market green. adding some hay to the mix would be most beneficial. grass, any kind/mix would be ok as they are naturally grazers (just avoid alfalfa sprouts).

and of course supplements - calcium, D3 (depends on exposure to sunlight/uvb), vitamins etc to compliment their diet.
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that is what i taught.. kacang panjang got beans, beans = protein. (been lifting weights so i know the protein, carb, fats ration on foods)

so those are the daily "staple" diet I should give them?? i dont think my "country" have such varieties you guys are having.. grass, hibiscus ok.. the others unsure.gif
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You can get grass, hibiscus, opuntia, dandelion, clovers etc here no problem bro.

You just need to know where to find them.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 27 2010, 08:33 AM)
You can get grass, hibiscus, opuntia, dandelion, clovers etc here no problem bro.

You just need to know where to find them.
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Hi guys, rclxms.gif what about aloe vera? Nice to see the seniors back on the forum..
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as a staple, no. aloe vera would cause diarrhoea.


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QUOTE(uzairi @ May 27 2010, 08:33 AM)
You can get grass, hibiscus, opuntia, dandelion, clovers etc here no problem bro.
You just need to know where to find them.
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Can u kindly share where to find these items? how to identify them?
Is tis wat u feed ur torts?
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hibiscus is easiest to find at Malaysia...biggrin.gif

everywhere also got...

what I do is...

I picked like 20-30 leaves...then store it in a container, and froze it...

use it, when I need it..biggrin.gif easiest..biggrin.gif can last for months I think...

Oh I feed mine with Okra as well.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(EdShal @ May 26 2010, 08:44 PM)
that is what i taught.. kacang panjang got beans, beans = protein. (been lifting weights so i know the protein, carb, fats ration on foods)

so those are the daily "staple" diet I should give them?? i dont think my "country" have such varieties you guys are having.. grass, hibiscus ok.. the others  unsure.gif
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you can also feed them timothy hay or orchard grass but avoid bermuda hay
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QUOTE(dEviLs @ May 27 2010, 04:09 PM)
you can also feed them timothy hay or orchard grass but avoid bermuda hay
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why is that, may i ask?
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 27 2010, 04:29 PM)
why is that, may i ask?
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ops my bad, i wanted to say alfafa hay which contains higher protein sweat.gif
bermuda hay is good too but not as soft as the other two i mentioned thus some tortoise might not like it tongue.gif
i use it as bedding for my tortoise biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dEviLs @ May 27 2010, 04:37 PM)
ops my bad, i wanted to say alfafa hay which contains higher protein  sweat.gif
bermuda hay is good too but not as soft as the other two i mentioned thus some tortoise might not like it tongue.gif
i use it as bedding for my tortoise :D
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You mean u use Timothy hay as bedding for your tortoise? They can sleep and eat at the same time. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(El Sol @ May 27 2010, 01:59 PM)
hibiscus is easiest to find at Malaysia...biggrin.gif

everywhere also got...

what I do is...

I picked like 20-30 leaves...then store it in a container, and froze it...

use it, when I need it..biggrin.gif easiest..biggrin.gif can last for months I think...

Oh I feed mine with Okra as well.. smile.gif
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Just about 1 mins walk behind my house, filled with hibiscus plant, like a wall, about 300feet! some more got yellow colour specis! laugh.gif

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@Chinchillas

true..biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Chinchillas @ May 27 2010, 04:57 PM)
Just about 1 mins walk behind my house, filled with hibiscus plant, like a wall, about 300feet! some more got yellow colour specis! laugh.gif
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that yellow spices is about as tall as a 3000 year old Sequoia sempervirens lol.. jk.
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can i use Turtle Bale (50/50 bermuda hay + timothy hay) as a staple? do i need to sprinkle calcium to it? and do i need to chop it to small size?
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QUOTE(dEviLs @ May 27 2010, 04:37 PM)
you can also feed them timothy hay or orchard grass but avoid bermuda hay
ops my bad, i wanted to say alfafa hay which contains higher protein  sweat.gif
bermuda hay is good too but not as soft as the other two i mentioned thus some tortoise might not like it tongue.gif
i use it as bedding for my tortoise biggrin.gif
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How do u feed the hay to ur torts? do u soak in water first to soften? chop it up? or just give a handful straight out of the package? or u only use hay as bedding n not to feed?
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Guys, is it ok if i place my 12cm pleco(DBKL) with my 4.5inch female RES? He will have his own hideout(under the tile). here are pics:
For size comparison:
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His hideout is under the tile:
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QUOTE(BenSow @ May 29 2010, 03:39 PM)
Guys, is it ok if i place my 12cm pleco(DBKL) with my 4.5inch female RES? He will have his own hideout(under the tile). here are pics:
For size comparison:
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His hideout is under the tile:
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Do RES need a Hideout? i thought that kinda Torts dont really have to care much? And i think the DBKL will kena eaten by ur tort.. Juz my 2 cents..
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hideout is for the pleco, not the res.

anyway, don't take tolerance between animals for granted - those animals can hurt one another, by intention or by accident. and plecos are known to be such nuisance - chewing off cables, suction-cupping the underbellies of companion animals, etc.

saying all that, you can try whatever you see fit, at your own risk.
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hey guys..anyone share some pics on the housing for tortoise..
i wan to tiru..thinking of ugrading mine smile.gif
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QUOTE(CnT @ May 28 2010, 05:03 PM)
How do u feed the hay to ur torts? do u soak in water first to soften? chop it up? or just give a handful straight out of the package? or u only use hay as bedding n not to feed?
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i use bermuda as bedding as it is harder..and feed them timothy hay or orchard grass..
i do not soak it into water but i think it depends on how big is ur tortoise..if they are able to chew it then i don think you need to soak it soften tongue.gif
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1 Question, how to see if its a Male or Female (Star Tortoise)
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refer to 1st page, post #2, entry 06.

yup, sexual dimorphism in chelonians is generally similar between all the species.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 1 2010, 10:45 PM)
refer to 1st page, post #2, entry 06.

yup, sexual dimorphism in chelonians is generally similar between all the species.
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Thx but that doesnt help me. Coz that is not a Star Tortoise.. blink.gif
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dude....

QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 1 2010, 10:45 PM)
yup, sexual dimorphism in chelonians is generally similar between all the species.[cool.gif
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Bro , you forgot to mention there's not much differences in tiny specimen !!
Many ppl like to be hand fed Bah !!

Try this then - http://www.chelonia.org/sexing/sexing_Geochelone_elegans.htm

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If not bring over to Tawau and I help you to sex lah since we are in the same state !!

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where can i get timothy hay, bermuda hay, okra and other suitable grass/herbs to feed IST?? i normally shop at the grocery store and i can only get french beans, pak choy, choy sum... regular veggies... want to feed better suitable food to the babies.
thanks :-)
btw: do you feed dry hay or fresh one? i found dry hay for rabbits but my torts won't eat that stuff (i can understand....)
cheers ^^
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Hi guys,

I need some advice here. One of mt IST refuse to eat. Its eyes are watery. Seems like its getting weaker day by day. What should I do now?
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QUOTE(Xeniouz @ Jun 3 2010, 06:57 PM)
Hi guys,

I need some advice here. One of mt IST refuse to eat. Its eyes are watery. Seems like its getting weaker day by day. What should I do now?
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you turn on UV Light all the time?
i had experience it (eyes watery) when i add on 1 light..
if he is sick enough, he may need antibiotics from a reptile vet

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QUOTE(ericolim @ Jun 4 2010, 10:01 AM)
you turn on UV Light all the time?
i had experience it (eyes watery) when i add on 1 light..
if he is sick enough, he may need antibiotics from a reptile vet
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i only turned it on from 12pm to 5pm.. any recommended vet around KL?
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QUOTE(Xeniouz @ Jun 4 2010, 08:37 PM)
i only turned it on from 12pm to 5pm.. any recommended vet around KL?
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This 2 Vet recomended by our Forum member in early page! (Pg2)

Hope this 2 vets might help:

Dr Yeoh.
Yeoh Veterinary Clinic & Surgery
126 Jalan SS 24/2, Taman Megah, 47301 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7804 8684, Fax: 03 7805 2350

Dr Jenny. (please call first, coz not sure got transfer or not)
My Vet Animal Clinic
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Tel: 03 - 6142 2122
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hello friends, i never owned a turtle before but my girlfriend rescued a Malayan Box Turtle found at the middle of the road near Kota Damansara and we originally wanted to feed it and let it go the next day but started loving the dude instead.

we are planning to keep him, i also did some research and found the best website here http://www.turtlepuddle.org/cuora/amboinensis.html

so just wanna know whether anyone else here who has the Malayan Box Turtle, maybe i can learn few additional stuff?
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QUOTE(adamlobo @ Jun 6 2010, 03:29 PM)
so just wanna know whether anyone else here who has the Malayan Box Turtle, maybe i can learn few additional stuff?
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officially, it's a CITES II animal, which means that special permit would be needed to keep them under INTESA.

unofficially, besides that caresheet, try reading other caresheets as well, especially entries on lighting, UVB, parasite treatment for wild caught turtles, captive stress etc.

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QUOTE(ericolim @ Jun 5 2010, 02:02 PM)
This 2 Vet recomended by our Forum member in early page! (Pg2)

Hope this 2 vets might help:

Dr Yeoh.
Yeoh Veterinary Clinic & Surgery
126 Jalan SS 24/2, Taman Megah, 47301 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7804 8684, Fax: 03 7805 2350

Dr Jenny. (please call first, coz not sure got transfer or not)
My Vet Animal Clinic
No.29-G, Jln Cecawi 6/33,
Seksyen 6, Kota Damansara.
Tel: 03 - 6142 2122
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thx a lot for the info.. i found out that its suffering from dehydration.. i stopped turning on the uv for 2 days and its now getting better.. less watery eyes..
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can i keep star n sulcata together? why i ask since both of them require the similiar setup..
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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jun 8 2010, 09:21 PM)
can i keep star n sulcata together? why i ask since both of them require the similiar setup..
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Why not but not for long as sulcata could out grow the star in less than a year !!

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ May 30 2010, 06:41 PM)
hideout is for the pleco, not the res.

anyway, don't take tolerance between animals for granted - those animals can hurt one another, by intention or by accident. and plecos are known to be such nuisance - chewing off cables, suction-cupping the underbellies of companion animals, etc.

saying all that, you can try whatever you see fit, at your own risk.
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update:

pleco has been hiding under the tile all along and no conflict between the animals...

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 8 2010, 08:27 PM)
Why not but not for long as sulcata could out grow the star in less than a year !!
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that what i needed to hear.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jun 8 2010, 11:56 PM)
that what i needed to hear..  thumbup.gif
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But do take note of a few things (I assume you are talking of Indian/SriLankan Star)

- Sulcata is a more aggressive sp take note of the Star if too stress seperate
- Star easier to get RNS
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 9 2010, 04:57 AM)
But do take note of a few things (I assume you are talking of Indian/SriLankan Star)

- Sulcata is a more aggressive sp take note of the Star if too stress seperate
- Star easier to get RNS
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HI, may i know what is RNS??

thanks
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QUOTE(angel9362 @ Jun 9 2010, 12:20 PM)
HI, may i know what is RNS??

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R=runny
N=nose
S=syndrome
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I already mix my star and sulcata almost 2 months.
So far so good....
All of them very kuat makan....
I almost pokai....
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 9 2010, 04:57 AM)
But do take note of a few things (I assume you are talking of Indian/SriLankan Star)

- Sulcata is a more aggressive sp take note of the Star if too stress seperate
- Star easier to get RNS
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thanks & noted..
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Hye, i have a question,how do i get my leopard to take hay?the previous owner just feed kacang panjang. i intro hay to it but it still prefer kacang panjang only >.<
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1stly, give the previous owner a spanking

as for the question, try introducing new food (in this case, hay) to its diet bit by bit - e.g. 30% chopped hay mixed (important!) with 70% bean for first meal, 40% chopped hay, 60% bean for second meal, and so on in small increments.

as for its preference for bean, don't give it a damn.

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Hey bros, any updates on the wildlife 28th June thingy? It's declare first but no guarantee of getting approval for a licence it seems.

No news so far & date approaching. Pls share any experience...thanks! wink.gif
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QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jun 11 2010, 02:13 AM)
Hey bros, any updates on the wildlife 28th June thingy? It's declare first but no guarantee of getting approval for a licence it seems.

No news so far & date approaching. Pls share any experience...thanks! wink.gif
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Is there a haul recently in KLIA or LCCT ?? Just read today in my local newspaper the said haul include
- a Yniphora
- a dozen or so Spider Tortoise
- a few hundred Radiated

Most important of all in that piece of news mention about the 28th June thingy
- They the wildlife department says its the 29th
- That certain mentioned tortoise sp ie Indian Star , Radiated , Angonoka will be confiscated upon declaration NO LICENSE will be issued !!

Any one can verify on whats allowed and whats not upon exposing ourself to the department ??


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Haha, spanked dy! oraito, will give it a try..
thx


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 11 2010, 01:02 PM)
Is there a haul recently in KLIA or LCCT ?? Just read today in my local newspaper the said haul include
- a Yniphora
- a dozen or so Spider Tortoise
- a few hundred Radiated

Most important of all in that piece of news mention about the 28th June thingy 
- They the wildlife department says its the 29th
- That certain mentioned tortoise sp ie Indian Star , Radiated , Angonoka will be confiscated upon declaration NO LICENSE will be issued !!

Any one can verify on whats allowed and whats not upon exposing ourself to the department ??
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I can verify that State Directors, who are supposed to issue the special permission letter, do not have any clear directives from the Ministry of Natural Resources. So far, they do not know what to do upon receiving applications (format of the letter, etc)

As for the animals, they will be examined before any special permissions are issued (husbandry, conditions, etc). And strictly for private keepers, not traders. What's allowed and what's not allowed eludes me, except the fact that everything that falls under Act 76 and Act 317 won't be issued any letter as they are bound to the age old rules.

Sam, do you have the news clippings/links to said news? I saw the confiscation thingy yesterday but am not aware that Indian Star , Radiated , Angonoka will be confiscated upon declaration NO LICENSE will be issued !!. thanks.

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and oh.. the fines. the fines would be up to rm100,000 / 7 years in prison.

yes, 100k. not worth the trouble!!
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I can verify that State Directors, who are supposed to issue the special permission letter, do not have any clear directives from the Ministry of Natural Resources. So far, they do not know what to do upon receiving applications (format of the letter, etc)

As for the animals, they will be examined before any special permissions are issued (husbandry, conditions, etc). And strictly for private keepers, not traders. What's allowed and what's not allowed eludes me, except the fact that everything that falls under Act 76 and Act 317 won't be issued any letter as they are bound to the age old rules.

Sam, do you have the news clippings/links to said news? I saw the confiscation thingy yesterday but am not aware that Indian Star , Radiated , Angonoka will be confiscated upon declaration NO LICENSE will be issued !!. thanks.
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Paper in Chinese thou !! Will search cut scan tomoro !!

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Thought better do it now as 29th is near !!
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Clipings from this printed version - http://www.seehua.com/

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sam, dont mind after attaching the paper. can help to translate into english? thanks ya
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Paper in Chinese thou !! Will search cut scan tomoro !!

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Thought better do it now as 29th is near !!
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Bottom right hand side stated that tortoise owners must surrender their tortoise to perhilitan before 29th June 2010.

Nothing to say...........
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expect our forests, waterways, etc to be filled with foreign species smile.gif
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Can go catch some star tortis in Muar there. Near the paya bakau area near the jetty there. My friend let go his pets there last year..
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Couldnt find any closest translation of that Chinese news article.

Not sure whether this is of any use.....

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/39430-surr...animals-or-else
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not a good news to keepers

but wtf, mm is a tabloid. those statements won't hold much weight in court.

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The top part say bla bla about a few ops napping found some bush meat and animals .......etc

Like angel9362 its the bottom part that worries us !!

Towards the last 2 column it says about CITES being form by 175 countries , ....etc and the more common pets includes African grey parrot , Indian Star , Radiated and Madagascar Tortoise (Angonoka or Yniphora ) will be protected under the new said law .
Those with the above mentioned tortoise species will have to surrender them in to avoid violating the law , as for owner of African Grey owner will be allowed to keep after application processed and permit issued !!

Once convicted fine of up to RM 100,000 and 7 years behind bars or both !!

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What happened to the many hundreds of Indian Star that the department say to be sent back to India few years back ??

And did any Orang Utan got returned to us Malaysia that were found smuggled in oversea airport or homes ....etc ??

Since they (illegal animals ) already in Malaysia why cant they (department) just legalised them to their present owner ??


Added on June 12, 2010, 5:29 amYou are not going to save a species from extinction by keeping them away from trade !! You got to understand them , do more studies and try breed them !!

CITES is about regulating the trade .

If I am to do this (as if possible) put a microchip into all declared animals and legalised them as pets even for CITES I aniamls ................. BUT PETS should not be bred for sale or export ........... so as not to complicate matters about CITES f1 or f2 deemed export-able

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Sigh... This makes it heart ache. So many years punya pet have to let go.

So where to surrender?
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the way i see it.

how many turtle owners in malaysia? 100, 500, a thousand??

i expect new species of tortoise & turtle in Malaysia ecosystem, soon..

cakap pun susah with this high authority people..
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I may be wrong, but isn't this like having pirated movies at home?

Can these people actually raid our home? Let's say they ring on bell, we go quickly hide the animals, will they turn our whole house upside down, or will they just storm into our home? What rights do they have to do that? They need to get a search permit, get the police, etc etc.

So is the new law really targeting/scaring us or just mainly to traders which is much easier to catch?
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Can these people actually raid our home? Let's say they ring on bell, we go quickly hide the animals, will they turn our whole house upside down, or will they just storm into our home? What rights do they have to do that? They need to get a search permit, get the police, etc etc.
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according to Article 24 of Act 686 (damn.. so long to type) enforcement officers can ransack our premises without warrant. sounds too extreme, right?

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the way i see it.

how many turtle owners in malaysia? 100, 500, a thousand??

i expect new species of tortoise & turtle in Malaysia ecosystem, soon..

cakap pun susah with this high authority people..
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Most of you have read this > Surrender your endangered animals or ELSE

Few have read these :

1. Uno
2. Dos
3. Tres
4. Tres
5. Cinco

Keyword - Misliah Mohamad Basir.
Attributes - Conflicting statements.
Leadership - Sinking ships.
Special powers - Decision making.

Good luck keepers. Think its time to pick up everything and tie up the loose ends? The hobby is in dire need for a vocally talented politician. flex.gif
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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Jun 13 2010, 01:35 PM)
Most of you have read this > Surrender your endangered animals or ELSE

Few have read these :

1. Uno
2. Dos
3. Tres
4. Tres
5. Cinco

Keyword - Misliah Mohamad Basir.
Attributes - Conflicting statements.
Leadership - Sinking ships.
Special powers - Decision making.

Good luck keepers. Think its time to pick up everything and tie up the loose ends? The hobby is in dire need for a vocally talented politician.  flex.gif
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Benson Wong?
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So has any members here declared their stuff?

When you declare, what does it involve?...only your name, proxy address & the species and number that you are keeping? Do you actually bring it to the local perhilitan or just take a photo of them?

Just out of curiosity, what are they(wildlife) gonna do with the surrendered chelonians? Sell them back at a cheap price to public like in the past or put up for adoption?

Maybe throw them in the wild or send all to zoo? Or more likely some underlings or senior officials might just keep them for their own & no one would know what happened to them. Taking in 500 torts and just say sending back 400 back to their original home(doubt it would be done..Madagascar/Sri Lanka/india duh??!!) leaves them with 100 missing that could go to their own home and reported as dead in transit.

It's just so sickening to think you are surrendering ur pets to a bunch of goons that 1)cant be trusted 2)ur pets fate wont be any better & most will probably die either under suboptimal care or during transport. **reminds me of a story i heard that leopards confiscated at one time was all thrown into a water pool as the officers there thought they are marine turtles..can swim, all ended up drowned and died a cruel death**

Pls keep updating any news you guys hear as only 2 weeks more to go. Thanks.

We want to abide by the law but the law doesnt seem any bit sensible or fair in any sense sometimes. Just imagine if they said anyone with pirated DVDs/Mp3 must surrender all of it, if not get fined 100k if found...Im sure there are more heinous real crimes out there but they are not too active in tackling those, instead become interested in trivial matters that dont contribute to ppl's well-being/health and country's economy.

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Benson hath spoken - The Star (today) : Grace period
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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Jun 13 2010, 03:59 PM)
Benson Wong?
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IINM, his name is Benson Sek Yong something. anyway, all hail Benson!!
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Benson Sek Yung Kok. Lol.
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Im sure there are more heinous real crimes out there but they are not too active in tackling those, instead become interested in trivial matters that dont contribute to ppl's well-being/health and country's economy.
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Do you consider the conservation of our wildlife a "trivial matter"?
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Do you consider the conservation of our wildlife a "trivial matter"?
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Malaysia has many more serious issues to deal with when it comes to crime and economy these days.
IMHO catching a few tortoise enthusiasts & the consequence of keeping some pet tortoises/turtles to the wildlife ecosystem is just too abstract for most ppl to appreciate as these are events that are at best speculative in the distant future. Just like banning everyone from driving on the streets as JPJ is worried about air pollution.

**Perhaps forbidding nuclear weapons testing or curbing money politics would be more meaningful anyday! Or even decreasing the amount of street crimes eg simple snatch thieves whom we have heard can kill with their simple acts (Im sure more than 50% here have been a victim before to these petty yet potentially harmful acts).

Anyway, these are just my $0.02 at this particular time, anyone can choose to disagree. Everyone has the right to his/her own opinion.

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IINM, his name is Benson Sek Yong something. anyway, all hail Benson!!
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2010, 09:50 AM)
Do you consider the conservation of our wildlife a "trivial matter"?
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How to conserve our wildlife when another department from the same government start approving the conversion of state land or class III / IV forest into plantation ??

Or logging in first class jungle !!

To conserve (maintain or maybe even to increase its total population ) but to even lesser amount of suitable habitat ?? Is that logic ??

But thats just me lah !!

Have I not done enough for the this species I loved ? But to what ? Let some of my first class pets migrate so as to legalised them in another country BUT wont be able to see them as often as I wanted !!
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Malaysia has many more serious issues to deal with when it comes to crime and economy these days.
IMHO catching a few tortoise enthusiasts & the consequence of keeping some pet tortoises/turtles to the wildlife ecosystem is just too abstract for most ppl to appreciate as these are events that are at best speculative in the distant future. Just like banning everyone from driving on the streets as JPJ is worried about air pollution.
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Yes there are events that have more tangible consequences happening. Murders, rape, whathaveyounot. But at the same time there are also "abstract" and "victimless" crimes happening like insider trading, tax evasion, intellectual piracy... should we let these proliferate because we need to prioritize the "real" crimes? I don't think so, keeping society behaved requires a holistic approach on all fronts.


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How to conserve our wildlife when another department from the same government start approving the conversion of state land or class III / IV forest into plantation ??

Or logging in first class jungle !!

Two wrongs don't make a right, heard of that? You can fight those actions based on their demerit, but you can never use it to justify your own.

QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 15 2010, 02:00 AM)
To conserve (maintain or maybe even to increase its total population ) but to even lesser amount of suitable habitat ?? Is that logic ??

But thats just me lah !!

Have I not done enough for the this species I loved ? But to what ? Let some of my first class pets migrate so as to legalised them in another country BUT wont be able to see them as often as I wanted !!
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The best thing you could've done was probably to leave them where they belonged. Look, I sympathized for your loss, but you really should've done some research before you invested into them. These tortoises have been CITES-listed for decades. I know you have good intentions, but you're still contributing to the trade by creating demand.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 15 2010, 03:30 AM)
Yes there are events that have more tangible consequences happening. Murders, rape, whathaveyounot. But at the same time there are also "abstract" and "victimless" crimes happening like insider trading, tax evasion, intellectual piracy... should we let these proliferate because we need to prioritize the "real" crimes? I don't think so, keeping society behaved requires a holistic approach on all fronts.


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Two wrongs don't make a right, heard of that? You can fight those actions based on their demerit, but you can never use it to justify your own.
The best thing you could've done was probably to leave them where they belonged. Look, I sympathized for your loss, but you really should've done some research before you invested into them. These tortoises have been CITES-listed for decades. I know you have good intentions, but you're still contributing to the trade by creating demand.
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ya lah anything but how sure are you about some sp having CITES status for decades !! So we just leave them to so call professional and experts to breed / conserve those endangered / CITES listed out of that endangered status ? Zoo ?? Who got them into that status before exotic become popular pets ?

In the name of science we want to study , disect , have that paticular new/rare species on display ?

So you saying if you see a rare sp in a bush meat shop or wet market on the chopping board ( calling wildlife too late now) and for say 500 you can save it (you will walk away and not wanting to contribute to it's demand) these are living beings once dead , one less of their species to populate !! If from pet shop like you say my fault in helping the Supply Demand part - but just can't help it like drugs !!
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the worst part about this grace period is the 'auto-confiscation' of several valuable species upon applications (as published in a several newspapers) which totally thrashes the concept of grace period itself. as mentioned earlier on this thread, grace periods at countries like the US of are done much more gracefully and transparently based on merits. That's why there are Malaysian species with CITES documents over there while you can't find any Malaysian species with papers within our own border.

furthermore, according to Act 686, the species mentioned in that piece of news (star, pignose, african grey) are all included in the Third Schedule. but why on Earth would Star Tortoise be confiscated but not the other two? It is even mentioned (http://www.mmail.com.my/content/39430-surrender-your-endangered-animals-or-else) that pignose and grey are not included in the list, a statement that shows how much the enforcement officers themselves are being ignorant of the law (despite being supplied with free copies of the Act). is reading a book that hard?

(and the fact that star tortoises are easier to be smuggled/traded off under the guise of 'relocation to country of origin' compared to the other two added much suspicions. so far, when any other countries mention 'relocation', they always follow that up with reports. yep, but sadly not here.)

yes, i fully support the Act. I just have problems with the way enforcement are carried out. Seems like they're trying to find some scapegoats amongst small time keepers (so that they can show the media that they're doing something) since they are under much scrutiny and pressure from conservation activists the world over (the Anson Scandal, the recent tiger abuse case, the proposed animal test lab, the illegal sales of wildlife at local zoos, their refusal to cooperate with TRAFFIC). all that while the big whales walk free.

FYI, up until yesterday, less than 10 applications had been made at Shah Alam Office from the thousands of keepers in Selangor. looking at the statistics, any standard 3 students could sum up that this so-called grace period is an utter failure.

anyway, the cold reception to the grace period could be the result of either one of these 3 factors.

i) the public are unaware of the new Act
ii) the public had lost all faith in Perhilitan (their involvement with Anson Wong, as published in National Geographic, Jan 2010)
iii) the public are afraid of confiscations and other legal consequences s

and with only a few days to go, why the heck are star tortoise and other animals listed under Schedule 3 still being sold at pet shops? so much for enforcement, eh?

(hey, i should at least get a post count for typing this much thumbup.gif )

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A short writeup by Endangered Species International cites that the Sixth Mass Extinction has begun. 10-25 species of faunas are being lost every year to -

1. Habitat destruction
2. Invasive species displacing native species animals
3. Pollution
4. Human overpopulation
5. Overharvesting (hunting, fishing and gathering) - this includes pet industry (i.e. wildcaught animals)

The extinction of a species in the wild is almost an irreversible condition. Is there a place for hobbyists in conservation? We can either contribute to the desecration of the animals in the wild by continually taking them away from their native lands for profiteering ventures. Or with enough money, passion and hard work - establish small numbers in captivity and work on breeding them.

Some (but not all) of these keepers have had enough 'field' experience from the many years keeping these animals and have undoubtedly superseded the capabilities and resources of most wildlife bench experts in terms of husbandry and procreation of the species. The love for the animals is like the flame, and money is like the fuel. Without money the flame will eventually burnout. Support from the authorities is essential as well, this is like O2. Hobbyists and breeders in the United States were almost slapped with HR 669 (Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act) last year. This act was however not followed through due to the points brought forth by some of the industries best minds.

There are more than a handful of species that is doing well from captive breeding (which are struggling to survive in the wild and face imminent doom).

Some links on species that can only be saved by the hardworking keepers.
1. Collector's item
2. Killfish?

Can't we work together instead of against each other for the greater benefit? Viewing these efforts biopiracy will only grow the divide between keepers and the authority. Going legit is the only sensible thing to do. But it is not also a possible option to try out currently. Too many risks to take?

Or is it just wishful thinking? Sedih sial tengok kawan2 sedih. tongue.gif

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I think all your voices need to be heard elsewhere rather than this forum. Make yourself known.

But if all else fail, take this as lesson. Sometimes, you need to fall (if possible face first LMAO!) in order to get back up stronger and fight.

Best wishes to you all!

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Yes, but we need a kepala kura kura to take lead, then we ikut belakang.

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Benson will lead the way. Though nobody knows how to contact him, he's a resident stalker of this thread.
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So.. This Topic no more Torts?
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So.. This Topic no more Torts?
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Ya this topic will be history in a few weeks as almost 80% or more of chelonian sp are CITES and thus making illegal to own in a few weeks
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 15 2010, 07:04 PM)
Benson will lead the way. Though nobody knows how to contact him, he's a resident stalker of this thread.
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Good thing he's around. Word in the wind is Miss Lieyah and Abdul Kalam are joining in on the movement as well.
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Sigh...so long as corrupted rectum dwelling shit heads are at the top..
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My guess is the so call grace period will be extended for a few more months and with better terms !! Since hand-in / application too few !!




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since this exotic/reptile animals keeping is bigger and bigger in malaysia. its high time we have an association of our own. unite together and fix the problem.

pool our resource together, work a way out and deal with the problem.


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If i am in KL. Both of us (Brian and me not in KL) I can donate some to have things starting.

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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jun 12 2010, 08:57 AM)
the way i see it.

how many turtle owners in malaysia? 100, 500, a thousand??

i expect new species of tortoise & turtle in Malaysia ecosystem, soon..

cakap pun susah with this high authority people..
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Ed,nak x my ST?still kecik,3-4inch each..FOC,hahahaha
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takyah susah2. drop them at my crib

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 15 2010, 11:48 PM)
takyah susah2. drop them at my crib
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Sure?hahahaha laugh.gif


Added on June 16, 2010, 12:11 am
QUOTE(danny93.5 @ Jun 12 2010, 12:02 AM)
Can go catch some star tortis in Muar there. Near the paya bakau area near the jetty there. My friend let go his pets there last year..
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sah mati star tu..kah3..


Added on June 16, 2010, 12:27 amhow to make something like petition ah?i dunno what to say anymore..they r really s%^*#..they said this is for the conservation..but in another part,they make the major destruction..Perhilitan must realize that,we cannot be too rigid in this issue..the fact is private collector or breeder oso contributing for the conservation..
to rise the awareness about animal,nature and conservation,we must educate our people..but how can we educate the people without make the people close to the nature..they even dunno that something like star tortoise,radiata,or anything else existed in this world..so,xkenal maka xcinta...kalo dh xcinta,species dh nak extinct pun buat xkisah je...kate nak conserve,hutan hari makin hari makin xde,ingat binatang tu boleh lepak kat KLCC ke ape..kadang2 malu ble bawak org luar pi tgk hutan kite..i have experience bring my japanese lecturer to one forest reserve in selangor..when we arrive,everything clear and only red soil remain there..my sensei really shock to see what happened,and forestry department verify that the area have been cleared to replace with rubber estate..rubber estate with the signboard of forest reserve..WTF.. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jun 15 2010, 11:52 PM)
Sure?hahahaha laugh.gif
110% sure. smile.gif
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 16 2010, 12:46 AM)
110% sure.  smile.gif
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nt kalo dh btl2 give up,i bagi..b4 that,i need to bring to vet,make sure they all healthy and didnt carry any disease..
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nice nice. you have my number tak bro?

i'm going to Fraser tomorrow until Friday/Saturday, so I won't be online until then.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 15 2010, 09:35 PM)
wah! which one of you is that Benson?
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If only that "Benson" would have the balls to come out and play...LOL!
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 16 2010, 01:51 AM)
nice nice. you have my number tak bro?

i'm going to Fraser tomorrow until Friday/Saturday, so I won't be online until then.
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nevermind,not around this time..my star still in terengganu..with my little sister..
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QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jun 13 2010, 11:01 PM)
So has any members here declared their stuff?

When you declare, what does it involve?...only your name, proxy address & the species and number that you are keeping? Do you actually bring it to the local perhilitan or just take a photo of them?

Just out of curiosity, what are they(wildlife) gonna do with the surrendered chelonians? Sell them back at a cheap price to public like in the past or put up for adoption?

Maybe throw them in the wild or send all to zoo? Or more likely some underlings or senior officials might just keep them for their own & no one would know what happened to them. Taking in 500 torts and just say sending back 400 back to their original home(doubt it would be done..Madagascar/Sri Lanka/india duh??!!) leaves them with 100 missing that could go to their own home and reported as dead in transit.

It's just so sickening to think you are surrendering ur pets to a bunch of goons that 1)cant be trusted 2)ur pets fate wont be any better & most will probably die either under suboptimal care or during transport. **reminds me of a story i heard that leopards confiscated at one time was all thrown into a water pool as the officers there thought they are marine turtles..can swim, all ended up drowned and died a cruel death**

Pls keep updating any news you guys hear as only 2 weeks more to go. Thanks.

We want to abide by the law but the law doesnt seem any bit sensible or fair in any sense sometimes. Just imagine if they said anyone with pirated DVDs/Mp3 must surrender all of it, if not get fined 100k if found...Im sure there are more heinous real crimes out there but they are not too active in tackling those, instead become interested in trivial matters that dont contribute to ppl's well-being/health and country's economy.
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damn its been a while....i wonder what they gonna do with all the surrendered stuff ? left them to die ? put to zoo or send back to original country ? i doubt the latter 2..we need to protest to this insane ruling...since we have kept it why dun let us get a permit ...


Added on June 17, 2010, 4:40 pm
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I may be wrong, but isn't this like having pirated movies at home?

Can these people actually raid our home? Let's say they ring on bell, we go quickly hide the animals, will they turn our whole house upside down, or will they just storm into our home? What rights do they have to do that? They need to get a search permit, get the police, etc etc.

So is the new law really targeting/scaring us or just mainly to traders which is much easier to catch?
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they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...

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U guys plan to surrender or hide hide...???
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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 17 2010, 05:45 PM)
U guys plan to surrender or hide hide...???
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Since we only have 3 sp of local tortoise lets spice up our local fauna list shall we ??

Since TRAFFIC , WWF our local wildlife department want no " illegal" stuff in private hand after 29thJUNE WHY not we donate to nature and set them free !!


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 17 2010, 05:42 PM)
Since we only have 3 sp of local tortoise lets spice up our local fauna list shall we ??

Since TRAFFIC , WWF our local wildlife department want no " illegal" stuff in private hand after 29thJUNE  WHY not we donate to nature and set them free !!
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+9999 ....i rather put them to nature and see how it changes our ecosystem in future rather then surrender to them which i think will ended up left to die scenario...
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FRIM big enough or not?
http://www.frim.gov.my/
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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 17 2010, 07:08 PM)
FRIM big enough or not?
http://www.frim.gov.my/
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Only good for the tropical sp ,the more common sp like Indian star , leopard and sulcata will die soon !!

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FRIM big enough or not?
http://www.frim.gov.my/
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only local sp. might be ok..hahhahaha.. sweat.gif
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I have a question. Are Russian tortoises listed under CITES?
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I have a question. Are Russian tortoises listed under CITES?
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IMHO,yeah..all Testudinidae family in appendix II except some in appendix I..in genus testudo,Testudo kleinmanni aka egyptian tortoise is in appendix I..that one is my wishlist..no more wishlist anymore.. vmad.gif

if i make mistake,maybe someone can explain correctly..
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does Podocnemis unifilis(yellow spotted ) in cites ? i cant find it...
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 17 2010, 04:31 PM)
they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...
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I already answered that in my earlier post complete with reference to Act and Section. Guess that I really have to type after all.

Act 686
Search and seizure without warrant
24. Whenever an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article in respect of which an offence under this Act has been committed is likely to be found in or on any premises, person or conveyance and that by reason of delay in obtaining a warrant under section 23 the object of the search may be frustrated, he may without warrant, with such assistance and force as is necessary -
(a) enter and search such premises
(b) stop and search such person or conveyance; and
© seize any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article which may be found and may be evidence of the commission of such offence.

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IMHO,yeah..all Testudinidae family in appendix II except some in appendix I..in genus testudo,Testudo kleinmanni aka egyptian tortoise is in appendix I..that one is my wishlist..no more wishlist anymore


yup right. Testudo kleInmanni and Testudo werneri are listed under CITES I, all other Testudo, including Russian (T. horsfieldii) is listed under CITES II.


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does Podocnemis unifilis(yellow spotted ) in cites ? i cant find it...
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yes. all Podocnemis are listed under CITES II

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 19 2010, 02:52 PM)
I already answered that in my earlier post complete with reference to Act and Section. Guess that I really have to type after all.

Act 686
Search and seizure without warrant
24. Whenever an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article in respect of which an offence under this Act has been committed is likely to be found in or on any premises, person or conveyance and that by reason of delay in obtaining a warrant under section 23 the object of the search may be frustrated, he may without warrant, with such assistance and force as is necessary -
(a) enter and search such premises
(b) stop and search such person or conveyance; and
© seize any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article which may be found and may be evidence of the commission of such offence.
yup right. Testudo kleInmanni and Testudo werneri is listed under CITES I, all other Testudo, including Russian (T. horsfieldii) is listed under CITES II.
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Is there any news so far from wildlife abt the 28/29th June? Thx for posting if you hear anything new.

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 17 2010, 04:31 PM)
damn its been a while....i wonder what they gonna do with all the surrendered stuff ? left them to die ? put to zoo or send back to original country ? i doubt the latter 2..we need to protest to this insane ruling...since we have kept it why dun let us get a permit ...


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they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...
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I believe most of us assume that Authorities (Any kind la) need a warrant to break/enter/search private property. Actually, not really. Some ACTs do give provision to certain enforcement team to enter without Warrant. Do take note. The best you can do when faced with such situation (If you are not sure) , Tell the officer you will cooperate and give you a short time to verify their ID. Take a good look at the ID/Authority card, its your right to ask. And then call the respective office to check the validity of the officer. You can also call up a lawyer to check on the power of these officers (on whether they can break in or not without warrant). But then again, that is also subjected to the knowledge of the lawyer as well. Msia has a lot of laws. You will need to read to understand. Finally, pls let the officers in after verification. Else, they can seriously break in.
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So while do we that process if verifying, ask someone inside the house to quickly go hide the tortoise. Maybe in the ceiling.
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Hii I registered my Totis already, to be honest at shah alam Perhilitan Im 3rd person who registered with proper borang...with Totis photo, copy ID etc.

Either you keep them under ground or come to them and see what happen. Only some particular cites 1 you can't keep them as a pet, they are not pet, they are endangered which they need to be place at they origin habitat so they can breed them self again.

So ask your self now, you keep them as a pet, can u breed them ?
Forget. About Petshop sale years ago. All was wrong from start so why don't you make it right. I'm also worry if I hand over they maybe sale again to under ground trader.

But you keep them as a pet also not helping your tortoise will survey, coz you also don't know how to breed. You know how to look after.

Anyway...think over it again before register, Perhilitan not that bad if you are come to do the right thing, they are not threatning. Next time just keep non cites pet, much fun...


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Added on June 20, 2010, 1:28 pmRemember also...hiding them forever is not healthy for them. It's not just Malaysia rules and regulation of cites endangered animal, it's international.

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Hii I registered my Totis already, to be honest at shah alam Perhilitan Im 3rd person who registered with proper borang...with Totis photo, copy ID etc.

Either you keep them under ground or come to them and see what happen. Only some particular cites 1 you can't keep them as a pet, they are not pet, they are endangered which they need to be place at they origin habitat so they can breed them self again.

So ask your self now, you keep them as a pet, can u breed them ?
Forget. About Petshop sale years ago. All was wrong from start so why don't you make it right. I'm also worry if I hand over they maybe sale again to under ground trader.

But you keep them as a pet also not helping your tortoise will survey, coz you also don't know how to breed. You know how to look after.

Anyway...think over it again before register, Perhilitan not that bad if you are come to do the right thing, they are not threatning. Next time just keep non cites pet, much fun...
Cheers


Added on June 20, 2010, 1:28 pmRemember also...hiding them forever is not healthy for them. It's not just Malaysia rules and regulation of cites endangered animal, it's international.
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mind to share,what species u register?are you sure they will be place at 'they' origin habitat so they can breed them self again?and how sure u are that they will survive in the wild after many years in captivity?and how do u know that all people here dunno how to breed?i saw with my eyes people manage to hatch star tortoise eggs.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hii I registered my Totis already, to be honest at shah alam Perhilitan Im 3rd person who registered with proper borang...with Totis photo, copy ID etc.

Either you keep them under ground or come to them and see what happen. Only some particular cites 1 you can't keep them as a pet, they are not pet, they are endangered which they need to be place at they origin habitat so they can breed them self again.

So ask your self now, you keep them as a pet, can u breed them ?
Forget. About Petshop sale years ago. All was wrong from start so why don't you make it right. I'm also worry if I hand over they maybe sale again to under ground trader.

But you keep them as a pet also not helping your tortoise will survey, coz you also don't know how to breed. You know how to look after.

Anyway...think over it again before register, Perhilitan not that bad if you are come to do the right thing, they are not threatning. Next time just keep non cites pet, much fun...


Cheers

Added on June 20, 2010, 1:28 pmRemember also...hiding them forever is not healthy for them. It's not just Malaysia rules and regulation of cites endangered animal, it's international.


says the one who had an extensive history in trading and smuggling CITES animals.

do you think that Perhilitan would be so kind to issue a permission letter to someone with such history, Nur Maya Sari?
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QUOTE(conch_cake @ Jun 20 2010, 02:17 PM)
says the one who had an extensive history in trading and smuggling CITES animals.

do you think that Perhilitan would be so kind to issue a permission letter to someone with such history, Nur Maya Sari?
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what's wrong with Nur Maya Sari ? Is she criminal ? Is anybody jealous with her ?

Are you enemy with your own authority of animal control in your country ? Good luck for it.

I'm not asking you to register, just consider with species you are keeping. Surrender my tortoise it's not mean Im criminal. I'm so sorry for you not to trust Perhilitan.

Do you have history with Perhilitan ? So keep your pet with cites secretly lah... Just be careful.
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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jun 20 2010, 02:30 PM)
what's wrong with Nur Maya Sari ? Is she criminal ? Is anybody jealous with her ? 

Are you enemy with your own authority of animal control in your country ? Good luck for it.

I'm not asking you to register, just consider with species you are keeping. Surrender my tortoise it's not mean Im criminal. I'm so sorry for you not to trust Perhilitan.

Do you have history with Perhilitan ? So keep your pet with cites secretly lah... Just be careful.
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what species u already register?
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jun 20 2010, 01:57 PM)
mind to share,what species u register?are you sure they will be place at 'they' origin habitat so they can breed them self again?and how sure u are that they will survive in the wild after many years in captivity?and how do u know that all people here dunno how to breed?i saw with my eyes people manage to hatch star tortoise eggs.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Star tortoise is Cites 2. Perhilitan maybe consider give you permision. I'm talking about cites 1. That's good some people will breed.. I'm happy for them, good luck for hiding them forever.

Btw any cites 1 like radiata and Yniphora never been listing in Perhilitan imported list.


Added on June 20, 2010, 2:37 pmMy star also laid eggs and waiting see what happen, hope fertile.


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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jun 20 2010, 01:57 PM)
mind to share,what species u register?are you sure they will be place at 'they' origin habitat so they can breed them self again?and how sure u are that they will survive in the wild after many years in captivity?and how do u know that all people here dunno how to breed?i saw with my eyes people manage to hatch star tortoise eggs.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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at least they keep in big and lots of them in they compound and will mating...hope authority will keep they promise not to trade them back.

I can understand that you been spending money to buy them, which your self already wrong bought endangered species. Can't stop people bring things in and out...

If you think best way to keep tortoise, just keep lah...hahaha

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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jun 20 2010, 02:36 PM)
Star tortoise is Cites 2. Perhilitan maybe consider give you permision. I'm talking about cites 1. That's good some people will breed.. I'm happy for them, good luck for hiding them forever.

Btw any cites 1 like radiata and Yniphora never been listing in Perhilitan imported list.


Added on June 20, 2010, 2:37 pmMy star also laid eggs and waiting see what happen, hope fertile.
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me myself ask them in their office and the one who answered my question is 'pengarah',he said:"no,for star tortoise,u only can surrender them to us."What cabel u use?maybe im oso can use the same cable with the same voltage,hahahhaa...
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jun 20 2010, 02:46 PM)
me myself ask them in their office and the one who answered my question is 'pengarah',he said:"no,for star tortoise,u only can surrender them to us."What cabel u use?maybe im oso can use the same cable with the same voltage,hahahhaa..
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well slackers, like I said, they want to know how many people actually isi borang, so far only 3 people...heii they might have the license and permit coz being brave and honest..hahaha

if you don't have such a history like Nur Maya Sari, register lah..
your name clean, never trade or smuggling...sure Perhilitan will consider...

Conch_cake you don't have such history rite ? Sure Perhilitan be consider.
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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jun 20 2010, 02:36 PM)
at least they keep in big and lots of them in they compound and will mating...hope authority will keep they promise not to trade them back.

I can understand that you been spending money to buy them, which your self already wrong bought endangered species. Can't stop people bring things in and out...

If you think best way to keep tortoise, just keep lah...hahaha
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they way u comfort me,like perhilitan officer..hahahhaa..i ask too many question and they said like this oso..hahahaha..from what i understand,u want to say that they will keep them in a big compound and let them breed there?but i think after a few rain come,most star tortoise will start to have RNS..not mention about another species..or perhilitan now has breeding facilities with a complete heating system etc?u sure u already get register and license for indian Star tortoise?mind to show me a license?or u register another species?sorry for too many question..every keeper want the best to their animal.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hi all,

I need help here.. my 2 and a half months old baby tortoise fall sick. I think she is sick. She's not eating anything for 2 days already unlike the baby male tortoise. How? please help me sad.gif ..
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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jun 20 2010, 03:00 PM)
well slackers, like I said, they want to know how many people actually isi borang, so far only 3 people...heii they might have the license and permit coz being brave and honest..hahaha

if you don't have such a history like Nur Maya Sari, register lah..
your name clean, never trade or smuggling...sure Perhilitan will consider...

Conch_cake you don't have such history rite ? Sure Perhilitan be consider.
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if i have sulcata,long time ago i already register it..they give me 'borang',but when i ask about Star,that is the answer..so,what use to isi borang anymore?they already inform me,surrender the star tortoise..im still new here,i dun have any history yet..


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Hi all,

I need help here.. my 2 and a half months old baby tortoise fall sick. I think she is sick. She's not eating anything for 2 days already unlike the baby male tortoise. How? please help me sad.gif ..
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do u let her sunbath?2 and half month?wow,u know the exact age..u breed them?tortoise or turtle?any sign of watery eyes,bubbling nose?maybe u can post picture,than somebody here can help u..

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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jun 20 2010, 03:09 PM)
if i have sulcata,long time ago i already register it..they give me 'borang',but when i ask about Star,that is the answer..so,what use to isi borang anymore?they already inform me,surrender the star tortoise..im still new here,i dun have any history yet..


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do u let her sunbath?2 and half month?wow,u know the exact age..u breed them?tortoise or turtle?any sign of watery eyes,bubbling nose?maybe u can post picture,than somebody here can help u..
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Her size is slightly smaller than this image I got from the net. She's a tortoise or turtle ahh?> < .. Her face very dry, basically not doing anything..awhile ago, i tried to force feeding her with a plastic spoon but she's still not eating. Once in awhile I'll wet her with water using my cotton-bud and now she's currently on top of a few pieces of cotton (she's on m bed currently). Erm, does pet shop have medicine? is she dying? thanks

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Added on June 20, 2010, 3:28 pmshe's playing with bubble in her mouth & her eyes are always close

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err... do they even have a water setup to live in? those are turtles, i'm kind of at a lost when you mentioned that they are dry.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 20 2010, 04:23 PM)
err... do they even have a water setup to live in? those are turtles, i'm kind of at a lost when you mentioned that they are dry.
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yes they do.. but they like to be on the rocks most of the time..and only during meal time, they'll go down into the water but recently, my female turtle is not eating anything.. Her head is weak..even one of her eyes cannot open? She used to be very active .. icon_question.gif

If I feed her food to her mouth, how many pallets should I give? She hasn't been eating for 2 days.


Added on June 20, 2010, 5:04 pmcan someone let me know how many pallets maximum? i fed 4 just now ( some would overflow out from her mouth)

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stoppp!! RES could not swallow properly out of water, they have fixed tongue. put her in water now - she might choke to death!

put it in quarantine, raise the water temperature to 30 celcius, give some liquid electrolyte, hope for the best.

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oh okok thanks.


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stoppp!! RES could not swallow properly out of water, they have fixed tongue.  put her in water now - she might choke to death!

put it in quarantine, raise the water temperature to 30 celcius, give some liquid electrolyte, hope for the best.
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aiyak..thats turtle..need water..better eat in the water..follow what camillenoir said..increase the temp,maybe can use bulb..gve them sunbath,they sure like it.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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So it seems still nothing major on the wildlife side. This is getting a bit frustrating. just gotta see end of the month then. Keep posting if u guys hear anything smile.gif thanks
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Hi, just want to share...

I have mine having the same symptons (closed & swollen eyes, bubbling, not eating) about 3 months ago. At that time, that turtle has been with me for 8 months (from a hatchling of 1.5" size).

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I soaked s/he in slightly salted lukewarm water twice a day, for about 10mins each time. I kept the basking light on to maintain the temperature. Took about a week for the eyes to be back to normal, then the appetite came back. Took longer (almost a month) for the bubbling to be totally gone.

I am noob too, not sure whether those were the correct things I should do. But, somehow I managed to get s/he recovered. Thank god s/he is back to normal now. And, hope your little will recover soon.

P/S: And as camillenoir advised, you must quarantine the sick one from others so that your other guys will not get infected.

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Added on June 20, 2010, 11:51 pm
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Hi, just want to share...

I have mine having the same symptons (closed & swollen eyes, bubbling, not eating) about 3 months ago.  At that time, that turtle has been with me for 8 months (from a hatchling of 1.5" size).

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I soaked s/he in slightly salted lukewarm water twice a day, for about 10mins each time.  I kept the basking light on to maintain the temperature.  Took about a week for the eyes to be back to normal, then the appetite came back.  Took longer (almost a month) for the bubbling to be totally gone.

I am noob too, not sure whether those were the correct things I should do.  But, somehow I managed to get s/he recovered.  Thank god s/he is back to normal now.  And, hope your little will recover soon.

P/S:  And as camillenoir advised, you must quarantine the sick one from others so that your other guys will not get infected.
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Added on June 20, 2010, 11:54 pmbtw why the salt? thanks..

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Quoted from redearslider.com

Various types of injury or infection can cause a turtle's eyes to be closed or swollen. Dehydration, ear abscesses, chlorine/chloramines, scratches, bacterial infection, trauma, poor water conditions and poor nutrition are readily causes. Furthermore, this is a potential symptom of a Vitamin A deficiency (Hypovitaminosis A), metabolic bone disease or respiratory infection (RI).

The sensitivity of the eyes allows it to be an early detector of other inflictions. All of these conditions can be serious and unrelated; offering Vitamin A will have no effect if RI is present. The delay in proper treatment may even cause greater harm. Consider swollen eyes as a symptom of a greater disease. If other symptoms exist or form, then immediate medical care is required.

If your RES consistently rub their eyes after a water change, you may suspect high levels of chlorine or chloramines. The use of an aquarium water conditioner may help ease the situation. Home remedies for closed eyes may be small amounts of Vitamin A drops or the application of cod-liver oil onto the eyelids. Try to see if the turtle will open its eyes when dry docked. It is, however, best to seek the help of a qualified vet if there are other symptoms, the condition does not improve, or there is no explanation for the cause. Turtles may refuse to eat if they are unable to see. This can cause an onset of other serious medical conditions.


I once read that if bacterial infection is the cause, then can use salt to help fighting the infection as salt has disinfecting ability.

If you can read chinese, here is some info.... http://gui.abang.com/od/siyang/a/baiyanbing.htm


As for the bubbling, it could be the onset of RI (Respiratory Infections). Reading from redearslider.com

Respiratory infections (RI) are common and deadly illnesses that affect many captive turtles. It is a contagious illness that can spread to other turtles and often requires medical attention. Improper basking and water temperatures as well as exposure to drafts and breezes greatly increase the chances of contracting RI. There are varying degrees of RI, including pneumonia, and the symptoms may also differ.

The most obvious symptom that can signal RI is if a RES is listing. Listing refers to swimming in an irregular manner, such as swimming in circles, unevenly or lopsided and even swimming upside down. Listing is caused by fluid in the lungs; more specifically, if fluid exists in one lung or there is more fluid in one lung than the other. Your RES requires immediate veterinary assistance if they exhibit this symptom. They may have RI but not this symptom. The sooner that they are examined, the better the chance they can recover. They would likely be administered Baytril or another anti-infective. A vitamin injection, antibiotics and an x-ray may also be used or suggested.

There are other possible symptoms that can signal RI, especially if they occur frequently. These may include breathing difficulties, coughing, sneezing, open mouth, yawning, wheezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, mucus from the nose (runny) or mouth and bubbling at the nose and mouth. If your RES exhibits any of these symptoms, then raising temperatures, quarantine and a water change would be the immediate actions to take. Ambient air temperature and water temperature should be raised 10 degrees F. Eliminate any drafts and cold air around the tank. Pneumonia may develop which in many cases is fatal. If your RES continues to exhibit a symptom or develops more, then consult with a qualified vet immediately.


If you dont have basking lighting, then you better find ways to raise the water temperature.

Hope the above helps. Good luck.

P/S: I find this useful...... http://www.redearslider.com/index_health.html

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QUOTE(vivtch @ Jun 21 2010, 12:21 AM)
Quoted from redearslider.com

Various types of injury or infection can cause a turtle's eyes to be closed or swollen. Dehydration, ear abscesses, chlorine/chloramines, scratches, bacterial infection, trauma, poor water conditions and poor nutrition are readily causes. Furthermore, this is a potential symptom of a Vitamin A deficiency (Hypovitaminosis A), metabolic bone disease or respiratory infection (RI).

The sensitivity of the eyes allows it to be an early detector of other inflictions. All of these conditions can be serious and unrelated; offering Vitamin A will have no effect if RI is present. The delay in proper treatment may even cause greater harm. Consider swollen eyes as a symptom of a greater disease. If other symptoms exist or form, then immediate medical care is required.

If your RES consistently rub their eyes after a water change, you may suspect high levels of chlorine or chloramines. The use of an aquarium water conditioner may help ease the situation. Home remedies for closed eyes may be small amounts of Vitamin A drops or the application of cod-liver oil onto the eyelids. Try to see if the turtle will open its eyes when dry docked. It is, however, best to seek the help of a qualified vet if there are other symptoms, the condition does not improve, or there is no explanation for the cause. Turtles may refuse to eat if they are unable to see. This can cause an onset of other serious medical conditions.


I once read that if bacterial infection is the cause, then can use salt to help fighting the infection as salt has disinfecting ability.

If you can read chinese, here is some info.... http://gui.abang.com/od/siyang/a/baiyanbing.htm
As for the bubbling, it could be the onset of RI (Respiratory Infections).  Reading from redearslider.com

Respiratory infections (RI) are common and deadly illnesses that affect many captive turtles. It is a contagious illness that can spread to other turtles and often requires medical attention. Improper basking and water temperatures as well as exposure to drafts and breezes greatly increase the chances of contracting RI. There are varying degrees of RI, including pneumonia, and the symptoms may also differ.

The most obvious symptom that can signal RI is if a RES is listing. Listing refers to swimming in an irregular manner, such as swimming in circles, unevenly or lopsided and even swimming upside down. Listing is caused by fluid in the lungs; more specifically, if fluid exists in one lung or there is more fluid in one lung than the other. Your RES requires immediate veterinary assistance if they exhibit this symptom. They may have RI but not this symptom. The sooner that they are examined, the better the chance they can recover. They would likely be administered Baytril or another anti-infective. A vitamin injection, antibiotics and an x-ray may also be used or suggested.

There are other possible symptoms that can signal RI, especially if they occur frequently. These may include breathing difficulties, coughing, sneezing, open mouth, yawning, wheezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, mucus from the nose (runny) or mouth and bubbling at the nose and mouth. If your RES exhibits any of these symptoms, then raising temperatures, quarantine and a water change would be the immediate actions to take. Ambient air temperature and water temperature should be raised 10 degrees F. Eliminate any drafts and cold air around the tank. Pneumonia may develop which in many cases is fatal. If your RES continues to exhibit a symptom or develops more, then consult with a qualified vet immediately.


If you dont have basking lighting, then you better find ways to raise the water temperature.

Hope the above helps.  Good luck.

P/S:  I find this useful...... http://www.redearslider.com/index_health.html
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vivtch thank you so much for the effort.. and the rest too... thanks a lot.. I just feed her to her mouth and put her in warm water tonight.. Placed her on top of a soft vegetable leaf and below the leaf I place cottons, which means the amount of water is very little due to her head is very weak to lift up (she can't even move much sad.gif ) ..

I'll take your advice to add lil salt ..and see what I can buy at pet shop tomorrow.

Btw, my healthy turtle (the baby male) is active moving around but he opens his mouth constantly and is also playing with bubble in his mouth.. is he falling sick too?

I placed him in warm water too..

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If you dont have basking light to regulate the right temperature and have very little water, it maybe hard to maintain the right air and water temperature. You may need to change the water more often to maintain the desired water temperature. Avoid air-conditioned places. Just make sure it is kept warm but be careful not to 'cook' it.

Your the other turtle, it seems to me that it has the onset of RI symptons too.

Do you keep them indoor? Any access to natural sunlight? I would place mine outside for some natural sunlight. Of course, I keep an eye on them to make sure it is not too hot till they are cooked.

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get a submersible heater. saves the trouble of preparing warm water, plus the temperature is regulated all the time.


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QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jun 20 2010, 11:17 PM)
So it seems still nothing major on the wildlife side. This is getting a bit frustrating. just gotta see end of the month then. Keep posting if u guys hear anything smile.gif thanks
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enforcement seems to be carried out under the discretion of state office, and at best, non-standardized.

worst still, the ministry has not responded yet.

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[quote=camillenoir,Jun 21 2010, 10:29 AM]
get a submersible heater. saves the trouble of preparing warm water, plus the temperature is regulated all the time.

I dont use submersible heater, actually how does it work? I keep my RES tank in the balcony (live in condo sad.gif ) 24/7 with direct sunlight on part of the tank, plenty of water so that I dont boil turtles soup. If I have to bring them indoor, then I have my basking lamp.

With little/shallow water (for sick turtles), will it be overheated? Or it works regardless of water volume?

Thanks.

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most submersibles requires only an inch or two of water. and there are different sizes/wattage for aquariums of different sizes, so you can choose one that fits your aquarium most.

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overheating is unlikely, as the thermostat will turn the heater off once it hits the set temperature.

there would be a slight variation in temperature - using the same heater set at same temperature, aquariums with lower water volume would feel slightly hotter than those with higher volume (thermal dispersion vs volume of medium factors, etc) but it's a safe and useful equipment to say the least.

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Thank you very much.
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I just discovered that all CITES species is covered under Wildlife Protection Ordinance 1998.

Which means that Sarawak keepers can declare nuts as they are bound to that 12 year old act.


Added on June 21, 2010, 2:42 pmThe Natural Resources Ministry had finally answered Benson's letter

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Ministry committed to upholding CITES

The Natural Resources and Environment Ministry appreciates the concerns highlighted by Benson of Kuala Lumpur in his letter “Grace period is a curse, not a blessing” (The Star, June 14).

The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) is an international agreement between governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival.

Many wildlife species in trade are not endangered, but the existence of an agreement to ensure the sustainability of the trade is important in order to safeguard these resources for the future.

By ensuring that the international trade in wildlife is properly regulated, CITES can assist in conserving the planet’s wild fauna and flora from over-exploitation and contribute to the improved management of these key natural assets for sustainable development.

The International Trade in Endangered Species Act (Intesa) 2008 [Act 686] was gazetted to come into force on Dec 28, 2009.

The main purpose of the Act is to control the international trade of species listed under CITES and to ensure Malaysia’s compliance towards CITES obligation.

The ministry has announced a six-month grace period that is applicable throughout the country effective from the date of enforcement of the Act until June 28, 2010.

The period aims to provide smooth transition as well as ample time for the relevant departments or agencies to enhance their understanding and knowledge of Intesa.

The ministry would also like to emphasise that the enforcement on import, export and re-export activities of the CITES-listed species at the entry/exit point during the grace period will be in accordance with CITES rules and regulations, which require CITES permits. Non-compliance will be subjected to legal action.

During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

However, the issuance of a special permission letter is subjected to terms and conditions determined by the authorities.

The authorities will keep a record of individuals who have been given the permission letter.

The ministry reiterates its commitment as a party to CITES, and will closely monitor the implementation of Intesa, especially during the six-month grace period to ensure that it will not be abused by unscrupulous individuals.

YAMUNA PERIMALU,
For Secretary–General of the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry,
Putrajaya.


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Noted! So should all come forward and declare now? Or should all continue on hiding or just release all into our local ecosystem?

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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Jun 20 2010, 03:20 PM)

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Added on June 20, 2010, 3:28 pmshe's playing with bubble in her mouth & her eyes are always close
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>>>During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

So meaning star and radiated ok boh?

Well.. we all can sama sama bring our tortoise/turtle go there and declare.. but if they wan to rampas... kami sama sama jerit jerit...

Chances are higher they going to confiscate if you go alone, but if we go in a group then at least more people to argue.


Added on June 21, 2010, 4:28 pmWhatever it is, chances are high that a lot of ppl will not declare or pretend don't know such law.

I tak baca surat khabar punya orang...

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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 21 2010, 04:27 PM)
>>>During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

So meaning star and radiated ok boh?

Well.. we all can sama sama bring our tortoise/turtle go there and declare.. but if they wan to rampas... kami sama sama jerit jerit...

Chances are higher they going to confiscate if you go alone, but if we go in a group then at least more people to argue.


Added on June 21, 2010, 4:28 pmWhatever it is, chances are high that a lot of ppl will not declare or pretend don't know such law.

I tak baca surat khabar punya orang...
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just be careful lah...I registered isi borang already. You guys make own decision. I believe spirit of law encourage "Pet Keeper" or " Tortoise Lover " to keep Cites 1 tortoise legally.

I you are not or never trade Or selling buying tortoise why you scared to declare ?

I also disagree that they just taken away your tortoise, the ideal is let tortoise lover keep them but all registered with all permit DO NOT SALE your tortoise.

Not fair just taken away tortoise and stop tortoise lover that has been years keeping them, but they not stopping ilegal trader still going in and out, even in the origin country no permitted to export, but in Malaysia available to sale even at pet shop 3 yrs ago,
who's fault ? We are or Perhilitan ?

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Blutang: Your previous post just made my head spin. LOL!

It's not the Perhilitan's fault. Nor it is ours. It is the tortoises fault actually. LMAO!
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Do we need to bring our pet along? or just go there register?

If just go there register, then senang... declare, but put address kat neighbor punya rumah. If got operasi, neighbor rumah kena terbalik.


Added on June 21, 2010, 5:15 pmIf follow IC address also no prob.. that wan kat hometown, they can feel free to drive there to visit. Nothing to hide there.

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 21 2010, 05:10 PM)
Blutang: Your previous post just made my head spin. LOL!

It's not the Perhilitan's fault. Nor it is ours. It is the tortoises fault actually. LMAO!
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hahaha...true...You think I can sleep well after I declare ? Whuaha...no. But I relief for doing right thing, I also don't like keep pet ilegal at home..always worry when leave home.

Perhilitan came to my house 2 times, they just do they job that someone reported me. But nothing to rampas, coz I always keep my reptiles legally. If have to keep my snakes with license. I make sure buy them with license. Not taking risk buy without license because cheaper.

I know it's hard decision, make wise one.

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can someone here help me?? i have a snapping turtle, and i havent seen it eat for the past few days.. it wont even open up its mouth.. is there something wrong with it?? i feel really sad~~
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can someone here help me?? i have a snapping turtle, and i havent seen it eat for the past few days.. it wont even open up its mouth.. is there something wrong with it?? i feel really sad~~
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can u take picture ? Anything wrong wiv the look or not. Maybe just not hungry...
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can u take picture ? Anything wrong wiv the look or not. Maybe just not hungry...
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i dont have a picture coz its at home and i am at work rite now.. not hungry?? but i just bought some new fishes for it, normally within the first few minutes it will start hunting for food, but now it just sits on the log doing nothing and when in water it just sits there, sumtimes it looks like its about to float away..
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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 21 2010, 05:14 PM)
Do we need to bring our pet along? or just go there register?

If just go there register, then senang... declare, but put address kat neighbor punya rumah. If got operasi, neighbor rumah kena terbalik.


Added on June 21, 2010, 5:15 pmIf follow IC address also no prob.. that wan kat hometown, they can feel free to drive there to visit. Nothing to hide there.
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that won't work. you would be slapped with 100k fine for doing false declaration. (section 44 Act 686)

and declaration must be made at the state office in which the animal is kept. e.g. animals in Kelantan can't be declared in Selangor.
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Read borang carefully, it's said surat permohonan ijin menyimpan cites animal. It's so clear there, it's like contract declaration of law for cites pet. Because the law hasn't been made with tortoise, now they make it.

If you declared already why they want to raid ?
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Hate to interrupt. But posting a copy of the completed form would clear all worries and doubts.

Important details like name, add etc. could be blurred to protect the applicant. But unimportant details like species (i.e. Star tort) could be left for viewing?

This is afterall, for the benefit of the many.
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Means we still can keep the tortoise IF we get the License?
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What Im sad here, we can't share to show picture of tortoise again. People scared to posting it.

We also have to learn knowledge under ground now...

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Means we still can keep the tortoise IF we get the License?
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If just a few specimen just keep quiet and dont show off every so often to whoever you felt like it !!

NO back stabber no casualty !! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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Read borang carefully, it's said surat permohonan ijin menyimpan cites animal. It's so clear there, it's like contract declaration of law for cites pet. Because the law hasn't been made with tortoise, now they make it.

If you declared already why they want to raid ?
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read the ULASAN OLEH PEJABAT PERHILITAN NEGERI part on the form. they have the obligation to verify that all claims are true by checking on the animals before any permissions are issued.

if all declarations are made on paper, supported only by photos without any physical evidence, any john doe could declare that he has 1000 yniphoras.




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Well.. John doe has to prove 1000 pictures of yniphora lah...
Physical evidence also to see how big and size that can tell how old the species has been kept.

Number of tortoise also being consideration to see physical evidence that's make sure you are not traders.
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Email can or not?
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email can. But better come to Perhilitan.

You don't have to be " John Doe " to do the right things.
Rather you keep them but always worry...
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No. I am a busy guy. I don't have time to do such crap. Could I just fill in the form, scan and submit with pictures via email? Also at least that way, I would also have a black and white as proof that I have declared mine.


Added on June 21, 2010, 9:15 pmI will never be John Doe la. I have balls. That's why I went in last time haha

Besides, I don't intend to hide. It's pointless since EVERYBODY knows me smile.gif

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I thought Haiwan ( Vet ppl ) will be in the picture to tick off for the health part of the animals declared ?

Thats what happened to mine when I declared my CITES 1 Radiated CITES 11 Star .....etc and got permit for them years ago !! But that got revoked about 3 years back !!

Trader or not but when one has a horde of say 24 animals or more across 10 or more sp will they treat as a simple hobbyist application ??

Would be applicators do bare this in mind when applying !!

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Haha..true, I believe lots of hobbies keep more than 10.
That situation I don't know...coz I only have 4...and all so big big one.
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Well I don't have that many species nor quantities. So it's either I sell them before the date, or simply declare them or even just throw them away (I'll take some pictures no worries smile.gif) into some forest reserve. Which ever it is, I don't really mind. Maybe I will opt for the last option since it will be be a win win situation for me. I don't have to waste anytime too. What say you Perhilitan? smile.gif

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Hi anyone can tell me where i can i get an indian star tortise in singapore from? Please PM me PLS!!!!
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 21 2010, 10:49 PM)
Well I don't have that many species nor quantities. So it's either I sell them before the date, or simply declare them or even just throw them away (I'll take some pictures no worries smile.gif) into some forest reserve. Which ever it is, I don't really mind. Maybe I will opt for the last option since it will be be a win win situation for me. I don't have to waste anytime too.  What say you Perhilitan? smile.gif
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I will release some of them as well - The more hardy one and those that will adapt really well to our climate - most if not all already done so except for some stupid Leo and pancake !! LOL

Be ready to encounter some exotic chelonian sp when hiking in Mount Kinabalu or surround LOL (Sabah wildlife so so boring only one tortoise sp ie Manouria emys emys )

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 21 2010, 10:03 PM)
I will release some of them as well - The more hardy one and those that will adapt really well to our climate - most if not all already done so except for some stupid Leo  and pancake !! LOL

Be ready to encounter some exotic chelonian sp when hiking in Mount Kinabalu or surround LOL (Sabah wildlife so so boring only one tortoise sp ie Manouria emys emys )
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ALL HAIL THE TORT KING!!! LMAO!!!

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ALL HAIL THE TORT KING!!! LMAO!!!
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What Tort King with less than 10% of what I use to own !! LOL


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 21 2010, 10:03 PM)
I will release some of them as well - The more hardy one and those that will adapt really well to our climate - most if not all already done so except for some stupid Leo  and pancake !! LOL
Be ready to encounter some exotic chelonian sp when hiking in Mount Kinabalu or surround LOL (Sabah wildlife so so boring only one tortoise sp ie Manouria emys emys )
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Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.
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QUOTE(CnT @ Jun 22 2010, 10:10 AM)
Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.
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Do contemplate carefully the implications of NOT releasing them into the wild. Not only it affects your animals (such as confiscation, poor husbandry and death), but more importantly how it will affect you and your family members. You want to go to jail? brows.gif

We are the minority. Whatever we do may not matter much compared to more serious threats like deforestation and such.

Just my opinion.

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QUOTE(CnT @ Jun 22 2010, 10:10 AM)
Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.
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rather release it oso...new sp will cross breed with local sp and create a New exotic ones... thumbup.gif


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Added on June 19, 2010, 3:00 pm

yes. all Podocnemis are listed under CITES II
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 22 2010, 01:37 PM)
rather release it oso...new sp will cross breed with local sp and create a New exotic ones... thumbup.gif


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damn i have few cites 2 then....hmmmm
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V surely and likely to happened !! But I am too poor to pay fine n also too impatient to follow incomplete instruction to fill in forms nor the time to call up so many ppl to pass the form from district to state headquarters .......etc releasing them is the best , fastest and cheapest way to settle the pet problem !!


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Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.
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If I hav a choice I will surely not gonna do it - if you do not know me well enough - here goes I have being releasing certain local species ( CB by me-self) for x number of years !! LOL to try boost local population ??

Like I say before why not spice up the local Eco-system since the elected one responsible to take care of them care less but follow blindly to an agreement signed 3+yrs ago !! Can't they make allowance for animals that are already here n have settle down nicely to even breed !! But soon non of my biz already - bomba maybe or rangers of some park maybe ??

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I think with more and more people releasing non-native species into the wild within this few days, maybe only then the authorities would have the balls to make any real decision on whether any license should be granted or not.

I don't have any plans to declare as I have decided to release them. I hate them too much to bow to their tantrums. And freedom matters to me smile.gif.

You guys can go play fetch afterwards aight.

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY PERHILITAN AND INTESA! ..l..

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This can only mean more herping trips within the metros! ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Jun 22 2010, 02:16 PM)
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Sure. Why not? But since I am not the only one who knows where they will be released, I will give you a head start. The hint is that they will be released in one of the many jungles in Peninsular Malaysia.

Therefore, I suggest you start sweeping from up North. Don't leave any stone unturn.

LMAO!
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That's a very big head start. I thank you graciously at the kind gesture. Maya nak join?
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That's a very big head start. I thank you graciously at the kind gesture. Maya nak join?
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LOL! Invite as many people as you wish and place one in every jungle you could find. You may get lucky LOL!


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That's a very big head start. I thank you graciously at the kind gesture. Maya nak join?
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sure...after that anyone volunteer can keep my catch to keep in they house ?!?
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 22 2010, 02:10 PM)
I think with more and more people releasing non-native species into the wild within this few days, maybe only then the authorities would have the balls to make any real decision on whether any license should be granted or not.

I don't have any plans to declare as I have decided to release them. I hate them too much to bow to their tantrums. And freedom matters to me smile.gif.

You guys can go play fetch afterwards aight.

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY PERHILITAN AND INTESA! ..l..

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haha.. seroiusly bro.. so the deal with your neighbouring visitor didnt go? tongue.gif im up for their adoption, and you can visit them anytime..
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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jun 22 2010, 05:42 PM)
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Sorry bro but I decided not to trade them...with anybody. They will be released to the wild. Infact, they are no longer with me now. I just lost a couple of $$$$. But I had experienced worse. So this is just peanuts smile.gif.

Few years down the road, you will see probably some headlines in the local paper "Rare tortoises captured" or "A wealthy businessman wanted to buy these rare tortoises but Perhilitan rejected the offer because something new and rare belongs in a museum". And suddenly a Brazilian saw the news and make another headline on the next day saying "I eat those RARE tortoises at home almost everyday"

I think I will get my money worth ten times more ...LMAO!!!
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owh they're gonna love this thread

behold the second coming of agent janggut ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 22 2010, 08:17 PM)
owh they're gonna love this thread

behold the second coming of agent janggut  ph34r.gif
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They are like GOD. Watch only. You want to know why? It's because they are all incompetent. Binatang binatang dalam list yang dulu pun takleh nak comprehend. Lagi nak enforce INTESA.

By the way, I think the word "incompetent" is too harsh. A more appropriate word would be "IMBECILE".


P.s. Nak jugak aku tengok anjing-anjing tu post something here. Tapi we all know that they got no balls. So why bother?

Have fun
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hello all.. my baby turtle is still in very weak condition sad.gif .. pls help me everyone I went to a few pets store around my house and they do not know how to treat her.

She's not eating and for the past 2 days, I've been force feeding her but today, she's totally not allowing me to open up her mouth sad.gif .. Middle of the night last night, I woke up to check on her condition but she's still not moving much and is getting weaker by the day ~!! how how ?? sad.gif .. pls help

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Who is agent janggut ? And who's anjing anjing ?
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Maya: I don't know who the hell Camil is refering to. Maybe you could check with him. For info

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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Jun 22 2010, 11:22 PM)
hello all.. my baby turtle is still in very weak condition sad.gif .. pls help me everyone I went to a few pets store around my house and they do not know how to treat her.

She's not eating and for the past 2 days, I've been force feeding her but today, she's totally not allowing me to open up her mouth sad.gif .. Middle of the night last night, I woke up to check on her condition but she's still not moving much and is getting weaker by the day ~!! how how ?? sad.gif .. pls help
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If I were you, I would find ways to treat the symptons, one of them is to get the living conditions correct, first. I would not keep finding ways to force feed her. It is not saying that eating is not important. If she recovered, then she would start eating again on her own. If she was still ill, eventhough you force feed, she might not digest what you gave.

Have you tried what we suggested to you? Raising the temperature being the most important. If her symptons were not treated and not improving, chances are she might be dying soon.

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try reptaid. I will be selling some at the expo. Fyi
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 22 2010, 08:10 PM)
Sorry bro but I decided not to trade them...with anybody. They will be released to the wild. Infact, they are no longer with me now. I just lost a couple of $$$$. But I had experienced worse. So this is just peanuts smile.gif.

Few years down the road, you will see probably some headlines in the local paper "Rare tortoises captured" or "A wealthy businessman wanted to buy these rare tortoises but Perhilitan rejected the offer because something new and rare belongs in a museum". And suddenly a Brazilian saw the news and make another headline on the next day saying "I eat those RARE tortoises at home almost everyday"

I think I will get my money worth ten times more ...LMAO!!!
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respect your decision.. blush.gif
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If I were you, I would find ways to treat the symptons, one of them is to get the living conditions correct, first.  I would not keep finding ways to force feed her.  It is not saying that eating is not important.  If she recovered, then she would start eating again on her own.  If she was still ill, eventhough you force feed, she might not digest what you gave.

Have you tried what we suggested to you?  Raising the temperature being the most important.  If her symptons were not treated and not improving, chances are she might be dying soon.
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I did what you told.. but anyway, she's dead now sad.gif ..ever since she's sick, I place her outside a shady posh and I know the sun would only shine in a small part of the posh.. but my dad went and add lotsa water inside! I did told him that her head is very weak and she could only cope with very minimal amount of water sad.gif .. but IDK why my dad forgot so he sees her body is dry, so he pour in water.. I think she got drowned sad.gif

thank you all for your effort.. thanks really~
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R.I.P to your little one

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Thanks!

But if all managed to avoid capture, they may procreate in the wild. That is IF they could find each other. Then we would have a very colorful and new species in Malaysia. Hooray!!! rclxm9.gif

Again, I would HIGHLY suggest using Reptaid for all reptiles.

See you guys at the expo.

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As for the applications, state directors could only give recommendations and reviews. The special permission letter would be issued by the Natural Resources Ministry.

FYI and regards.

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How will they know if the keeper Traders or not Traders ? Also some keepers trade and sale individually, not bulk, at adpost or any others Internet ?

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How will they know if the keeper Traders or not Traders ? Also some keepers trade and sale individually, not bulk, at adpost or any others Internet ?

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Hi,

I just went to perhilitan in jb. So i ask about the star regulations now. it seems those star keeper better just hide it. because even if you declare they will still rampas. after 28th , most probably is rampas and saman. Seems there is no way out.
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Hi,

I just went to perhilitan in jb. So i ask about the star regulations now. it seems those star keeper better just hide it. because even if you declare they will still rampas. after 28th , most probably is rampas and saman. Seems there is no way out.
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is the director back in? his function in malacca just ended around 1pm. his staff might not be clear about the rules.
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4 more days. 2 more working days.

I wonder will they extend?
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Hahaha... Not that simple assume of individual as traders, they have to prove the person have Petshop, paying business tax or business permit.. That's what we call traders.

I applied Retic tangkap license, I got it simply easy. It just be facing them what you want to your pet to wildlife and just don't brake the rules and regulation.

Size of tortoise very important as evidence you have been keeping for long time. At moment so far I know only few people apply borang at Selangor and deadline coming soon. Hope wildlife consider as well and think clearly how much people has been spending money to buy they tortoise and keep them for years. Sure they won't surrender if there is nothing clear announcement out there.

Tortose lover spend money to all ilegal traders in this country, pay somuch money to Petshop that have permit to sale tortoise. We...as last destination of tortoise being care and look after become a victim.

In US, banned o ilegal traders has been going on for last 15 yrs, Traders !!
But government can't do anything with tortoise that people have been keep before it banned, rather than simply give permit to people willing to keep and breed them, and they are very succesfull.

Anything else I really don't know what Perhilitan going to do, but consider if you are not traders, don't just be fool keeping few hundred ringgit price of tortoise but can't enjoy them with freedom.

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Hi,

I just went to perhilitan in jb. So i ask about the star regulations now. it seems those star keeper better just hide it. because even if you declare they will still rampas. after 28th , most probably is rampas and saman. Seems there is no way out.
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I didn't get your point, rampas and saman...?!?! If you isi borang and applied for keeping them descently to wildlife and in the end they still rampas and saman ? Oh God..

Sound like end of world for Tortoise Lover...



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Since you mentioned that you already applied for that special permission letter, can you post it here ? You can blur your name and address part. smile.gif
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Since you mentioned that you already applied for that special permission letter, can you post it here ? You can blur your name and address part. smile.gif
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I havent got any special letter yet or what so ever permission for Tortoise, but I DECLARED and applied that Borang permohonan. Its permohonan
form, not Surrender form, my friend.... smile.gif

The Retic License tangkap I sudah cancel balik ke Perhilitan...getting bigger and lepas balik kat hutan... thumbup.gif
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Inside story got story - Cerita punya dalam ada cerita. Sell me more. Eh typo...tell me more.
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Ya pls tell more, would be nice to be sure, anyone here declaring 30 torts or more? Would they still believe u are a keeper if u have like 20-30 torts as my friend really has that many...but never sells any. She just keeps buying, rich girl and jobless!
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Seriously? Wont it be too hard to ignore a 'keeper' with 90 torts declared?
20-30 also seems like a lot already as the authorities are mostly not into this hobby themselves, thus would not understand the numbers.
I would feel that they only expect 5-6 at the most hahaha.

What if ur female lays eggs after you have declared, say another 4-6 eggs per clutch, and it's after 28th June, where do you go from there?
Get a birth cert for them? nod.gif

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Seriously? Wont it be too hard to ignore a 'keeper' with 90 torts declared?
20-30 also seems like a lot already as the authorities are mostly not into this hobby themselves, thus would not understand the numbers.
I would feel that they only expect 5-6 at the most hahaha.
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inspection by Perhilitan officer would be done if a keeper declared more than 3 species/10 animals per species.

if the enclosures look more like zoo exhibits than pet shop tanks, i'm sure that it would add marks to the review. off course stuffing them in a crowded tank would make it look bad. to say the least, make everything presentable.


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What if ur female lays eggs after you have declared, say another 4-6 eggs per clutch, and it's after 28th June, where do you go from there?
Get a birth cert for them?  :nod


We'd have to report all captive breeding of those CITES animals to Wildlife. In fact, some seasoned animal keepers already have breeding record book handed down to them.


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Hahaha... Not that simple assume of individual as traders, they have to prove the person have Petshop, paying business tax or business permit.. That's what we call traders.
In the case of INTESA's grace period, we're all guilty until proven innocent - quite the opposite of your retic trapping permit.

which means that we have to prove that we are merely keepers, not them proving us otherwise.

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hi,any idea for keepers on how to deal wit the Stars?
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declare or 100k fine/7 years prison sentence if caught

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wah seh....declare or surrender....my fren is worried now on how to get it a proper documentation..he got it sometime ago....
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as for this country, stars never had proper documentation.

i can't advise anything but to declare (not surrender) them. monday is the last day, btw.

yeah, this is a gamble that all keepers must put a wager on if we want to see them legalized.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 25 2010, 06:36 PM)
as for this country, stars never had proper documentation.

i can't advise anything but to declare (not surrender) them. monday is the last day, btw.

yeah, this is a gamble that all keepers must put a wager on if we want to see them legalized.
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ive just fill in the form in permaisuri office...ive notice alot of star keeper declared but as i know ppl keeping star should surrender it to their office ...other sp i think should be ok..cross finger...
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 26 2010, 04:04 PM)
ive just fill in the form in permaisuri office...ive notice alot of star keeper declared but as i know ppl keeping star should surrender it to their office ...other sp i think should be ok..cross finger...
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The Director @ Permaisuri is one considerate and open minded man. He even visited my place in Malacca to see all those animals once he heard about the captive breeding efforts that I have been doing. So he should be ok with honest declarations.

the problem, as i mentioned earlier, is that state directors can only give recommendations/reviews. all applications for the special permission would be screened by the Natural Resources Ministry.

to all my friends here - monday is the last day. just send in the form and hope for the best.

if there are any misconducts/confiscations during the course of application (not applicable to animals listed under Act 76 or animals in Sabah/Sarawak),
record the names of officers involved and give the Natural Resources Ministry a call.


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The Director @ Permaisuri is one considerate and open minded man. He even visited my place in Malacca to see all those animals once he heard about the captive breeding efforts that I have been doing. So he should be ok with honest declarations.

the problem, as i mentioned earlier, is that state directors can only give recommendations/reviews. all applications for the special permission would be screened by the Natural Resources Ministry.

to all my friends here - monday is the last day. just send in the form and hope for the best.

if there are any misconducts/confiscations during the course of application (not applicable to animals listed under Act 76 or animals in Sabah/Sarawak),
record the names of officers involved and give the Natural Resources Ministry a call.
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how to record their name ??
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 26 2010, 05:20 PM)
The Director @ Permaisuri is one considerate and open minded man. He even visited my place in Malacca to see all those animals once he heard about the captive breeding efforts that I have been doing. So he should be ok with honest declarations.

the problem, as i mentioned earlier, is that state directors can only give recommendations/reviews. all applications for the special permission would be screened by the Natural Resources Ministry.

to all my friends here - monday is the last day. just send in the form and hope for the best.

if there are any misconducts/confiscations during the course of application (not applicable to animals listed under Act 76 or animals in Sabah/Sarawak),
record the names of officers involved and give the Natural Resources Ministry a call.
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noted..nice to heard that..
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I can't wait to be over... So we can share our tortoise with pictures...I think all should be okey...
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how to record their name ??
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write in notebook, save in pendrive, burn in CD laugh.gif

those 'enforcement officers' have to show their ID before entering our premises. take note of that smile.gif
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write in notebook, save in pendrive, burn in CD  laugh.gif

those 'enforcement officers' have to show their ID before entering our premises. take note of that smile.gif
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last minute form filling.. just realize that Cyclemys are not included in CITES.

the Act, taking 2 years to be enforced, had fast been outdated - Ocadia sinensis is no more in CITES, they don't use Kachuga anymore (Pangshura is the accepted name), Astrochelys takes precedence over Geochelone radiata and yniphora, etc etc etc...


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......record the names of officers involved and give the Natural Resources Ministry a call.
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btw, very useful info u provided here bro rclxms.gif
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Last Day to Die......
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Hahaha! Funny dowh!

Why must you die? Just go ahead and release. They are just money.

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if they suka2 confiscate without any orders from the Ministry, we could always charge them for abuse of power.

we declared out of our goodwill, ain't? hehe
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I was about to congratulate you...but then I opened your spoiler...LMAO!
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unless you weight more than 75kg, my guts are more yours.

sent in my form today, all 6 pages. crossing fingers while doing some write-ups to support Benson.

thinking back, ini semua Azazel's fault.. if you had established 'the society' years back, we would've had a strong medium to channel our thoughts to the authorities, media, etc.

(but then again, Azazel would blame Jalal, and Jalal will blame God)
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 28 2010, 08:39 PM)
unless you weight more than 75kg, my guts are more yours.

sent in my form today, all 6 pages. crossing fingers while doing some write-ups to support Benson.

thinking back, ini semua Azazel's fault.. if you had established 'the society' years back, we would've had a strong medium to channel our thoughts to the authorities, media, etc.

(but then again, Azazel would blame Jalal, and Jalal will blame God)
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Leopard & Red Foot can be purchased from some legal shops, as such do we still need to declare them even though we have receipt as proof of purchase? Cheers

When declaring, did you list down the proper scientific name & cites category? May be better to pretend ignorant and leave them blank as if you fill in the animal as CITES I category, why are you in possesion of it in the first place. For those who dont know much about CITES then it's forgivable wink.gif
or perhaps it doesnt matter anyway.
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anyone got visits from perhilitan yet? any outcome?>
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err how to register again?...


and..can I do it online?...dun have transport lar..T_T
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dude, where had you been?

dateline for grace period was yesterday, June 28th. you do have 100k just in case, ain't? wink.gif

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dude, where had you been?

dateline for grace period was yesterday, June 28th. you do have 100k just in case, ain't?  wink.gif
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ups...

nevermind lar... biggrin.gif

I dunno why I can't stop laughing..kakakakaka... rclxub.gif

anyway, I'm foreigner...I'm ain't Malaysian, so I think I won't get that permit anyway..LOL doh.gif


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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 28 2010, 08:39 PM)
unless you weight more than 75kg, my guts are more yours.

sent in my form today, all 6 pages. crossing fingers while doing some write-ups to support Benson.

thinking back, ini semua Azazel's fault.. if you had established 'the society' years back, we would've had a strong medium to channel our thoughts to the authorities, media, etc.

(but then again, Azazel would blame Jalal, and Jalal will blame God)
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Those were things of the past. No more charity for me now. It's all about money. So I don't really care what happen since my animals are all NON CITES nor INTESA. I can swear and curse the authorities FREELY too, as long as I comply to the law. Life is GREAT! brows.gif

Go and start one lar. Bring Uncle Herp along. He seems to be interested to set up a society too.

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Hii....just want to share, I've been worry with my tortoise bottom shell turn in to like this..( no picture...)
But not getting bigger or spread or look like fungal..just like that after I start put him at garden a year ago...

Please anyone know about this what happen...? thanks


Cheers

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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jun 30 2010, 01:59 PM)
user posted image

Hii....just want to share, I've been worry with my tortoise bottom shell turn in to like this..(picture ).
But not getting bigger or spread or look like fungal..just like that after I start put him at garden a year ago...

Please anyone know about this what happen...? thanks

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Since that paticular tortoise is a CITES I animal unless u can come up with legal proof of ownership , I won't comment further !! It's not fungus thou , rest assure !!

I only deal with non-CITES animals !!

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It's ok... You don't have to samperth, it just to share on tortoise knowledge of desease..I guess forum to share about animal problem, anything else about it, I got him in Malaysia Petshop...which got permit to sale this tortoise 4 years ago.

And I declare him to A month ago at shah alam Perhilitan coz of new regulation rule of have permit to keep cites pet.
Simple rite ? You don't have to make it complicate or fire up my posting.

Cheers

Cheers


Added on June 30, 2010, 1:44 pmPlease don't be out of topic on my posting !! I just want to know how to deal with this picture.

Cheers

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 30 2010, 01:18 PM)
Since that paticular tortoise is a CITES I animal unless u can come up with legal proof of ownership , I won't comment further !! It's not fungus thou , rest assure !!

I only deal with non-CITES animals !!
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So, you are the newly appointed pimp for the flesh trade over in Borneo now eh? LOL!

p.s. We have known each other since 10 years back. But I don't really know how you look like sial. What gives bro?! LOL!
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azazel, way to go bro! at last u have the guts to do so (if you know what i mean) tongue.gif
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azazel, way to go bro! at last u have the guts to do so (if you know what i mean) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 30 2010, 03:13 PM)
So, you are the newly appointed pimp for the flesh trade over in Borneo now eh? LOL!

p.s. We have known each other since 10 years back. But I don't really know how you look like sial. What gives bro?! LOL!
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I thought we saw each other last Saturday ? I wore some " banned forum " T shirt or did u not regconised me ! Hai !! So near yet so foreign to each other !!

Btw blutongue if that tortoise has being licensed/permited to be sold 4 years ago why you need to declare it 4 years later ? New regulation ?
I don't want to fire anything just wanna brag about them - I know too much about them chelonian to keep quiet !! Bla Bla ..... Especially something I can easily solve ie plastron of your CITES I animal - deemed so rare by some international organisation
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Ooh ok... Samperth, good luck with your breeding.

Cheers
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 30 2010, 02:25 PM)
I thought we saw each other last Saturday ? I wore some " banned forum " T shirt or did u not regconised me ! Hai !! So near yet so foreign to each other !!

Btw blutongue if that tortoise has being licensed/permited to be sold 4 years ago why you need to declare it 4 years later ? New regulation ?
I don't want to fire anything just wanna brag about them - I know too much about them chelonian to keep quiet !! Bla Bla ..... Especially something I can easily solve ie plastron of your CITES I animal - deemed so rare by some international organisation
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You were there?! Fuc.k you bro for not saying hi. LMAO!

Anyway, I browsed through all of the pictures (edited and raw). I can't spot the "banned" forum shirt.

p.s. And it was not banned la. I PULLED the plug. You of all people know this because YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE THAT AGREED to pull the plug. Lagi cakap banned la pulak hahaha.
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 30 2010, 03:36 PM)
You were there?! Fuc.k you bro for not saying hi. LMAO!

Anyway, I browsed through all of the pictures (edited and raw). I can't spot the "banned" forum shirt.

p.s. And it was not banned la. I PULLED the plug. You of all people know this because YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE THAT AGREED to pull the plug. Lagi cakap banned la pulak hahaha.
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I did say hi n stayed there at your booth for quite a while staring at the crested !! I know not banned don't know other word to use ? Will surely give you a call when there again !! That day has a meeting with one of the supplier to buy some heavy equipment " non- reptilian " thou n left that night !! Must congrats you on your booth


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Ooh ok... Samperth, good luck with your breeding.

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breeding ???? I dun keep them anymore !!

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ok.. my thread, my rules smile.gif

NO PHOTOS ON ANY ANIMALS LISTED UNDER CITES PLEASE, ESPECIALLY THE HOTS (CITES 1, no export quota, etc)

at least not until the results of our applications came out.

if there are matters on animals that require attention, please be discreet and use words to describe them.

and please note that staff of LYN had been notified about INTESA long before most of the forumers here.

thank you.

p/s : time to scan for 'disbanded forum' t-shirt in the photos wink.gif

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That bad huhh...
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I did say hi n stayed there at your booth for quite a while staring at the crested !! I know not banned don't know other word to use ? Will surely give you a call when there again !! That day has a meeting with one of the supplier to buy some heavy equipment " non- reptilian " thou n left that night !! Must congrats you on your booth


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breeding ???? I dun keep them anymore !!
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Hope so. I am working out on another one in KL soon. This one should be bigger than the one in MVEC. But of course since I like to "surprise attack" (Sun Tze taught me that LOL!), the full details will be revealed one week before the event. And if there is a competitor there, I will "bombard" with heavier artillery. TGS may not be the first (infact if I recalled correctly she was the fourth to rise in 2009) in Malaysia. But I assure you that she will be the one.

You better be there and introduce yourself properly. Or else I will burn down your damn house...bro. LOL!

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 30 2010, 05:40 PM)
Hope so. I am working out on another one in KL soon. This one should be bigger than the one in MVEC. But of course since I like to "surprise attack" (Sun Tze taught me that LOL!), the full details will be revealed one week before the event. And if there is a competitor there, I will "bombard" with heavier artillery. TGS may not be the first (infact if I recalled correctly she was the fourth to rise in 2009) in Malaysia. But I assure you that she will be the one.

You better be there and introduce yourself properly. Or else I will burn down your damn house...bro. LOL!

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Ok sure but not in sept as has a human baby that may arrive !!


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Is alligator snapping turtle and Common snapping turtle listed under CITIES?

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Is alligator snapping turtle and Common snapping turtle listed in CITIES?
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alligator snapper is.


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err guys, what should I do if I dun have any permit for my ST..??

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easy bro,just send it to perhilitan,they will take it with open arms.hehehe whistling.gif whistling.gif shakehead.gif doh.gif

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Yup...nothing to worry about with Perhilitan if you don't do anything wrong...
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err guys, what should I do if I dun have any permit for my ST..??
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you will be fined and jail or both...but theres always i way i guess... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jun 30 2010, 04:40 PM)
Hope so. I am working out on another one in KL soon. This one should be bigger than the one in MVEC. But of course since I like to "surprise attack" (Sun Tze taught me that LOL!), the full details will be revealed one week before the event. And if there is a competitor there, I will "bombard" with heavier artillery. TGS may not be the first (infact if I recalled correctly she was the fourth to rise in 2009) in Malaysia. But I assure you that she will be the one.

You better be there and introduce yourself properly. Or else I will burn down your damn house...bro. LOL!

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can u reveal the "details" to me earlier.. need to see/meet a bunch of you crazy people.. in other words, need a good reason to visit KL. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I wish to own a Horse.. anyone knows how do I go about with this? sorry if I am in the wrong thread, just for once.

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Sorry to say this, you want too much. . . tongue.gif


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can u reveal the "details" to me earlier.. need to see/meet a bunch of you crazy people.. in other words, need a good reason to visit KL.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Sure bro. Once I get things finalised, I will inform you. No worries mate smile.gif
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Sure bro. Once I get things finalised, I will inform you. No worries mate smile.gif
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So what about me ? U will inform me too - When finalised ?
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So what about me ? U will inform me too - When finalised ?
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K la. You too bah aight smile.gif. Don't get too excited alright because I need to secure a spot (and some sponsorships) first.

By the way, I will be running here and there like a freaking madman in the next few weeks. One of the spots will be KK. Do roger me if you are ever in town. We go "aramai-ti until kenyang" and "eat seafood until mabuk". Bring fatboy along. He seems too busy with his new "pu$$y" now. LMAO!

p.s. Then I will be off to Bangkok pulak for some "fun" brows.gif

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p.s. Then I will be off to Bangkok pulak for some "fun"  brows.gif

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now you are speaking my language.. Bangkok is fun, but clark in philipines is heaven. oops...
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hye guys, my baby turtle hasn't eat for 5 days. im very worried and afraid something bad would happen. furthermore, his eye is shut and swallowed. his shell is also becoming soft. ive already put some anti fungus in his water. but still no changes. just now, i exposed him to direct sunlight and mix the water with cod oil cos it is high in Vitamin A. can anyone help me?
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you don't know me danny boy smile.gif .. you're only sweet 16


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hye guys, my baby turtle hasn't eat for 5 days. im very worried and afraid something bad would happen. furthermore, his eye is shut and swallowed. his shell is also becoming soft. ive already put some anti fungus in his water. but still no changes. just now, i exposed him to direct sunlight and mix the water with cod oil cos it is high in Vitamin A. can anyone help me?
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mine was like yours.. and finally it died sad.gif .. I suggest you to bring it to the clinic.. There's one clinic that deals with turtles at Kota Kemuning (info from one of my colleague). Or perhaps, you may want to ask pets wonderland at mid valley (hopefully they can give you a few recommendation? am not sure).. Knowing that the normal type of pet shop wouldn't know how to treat turtles..

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now you are speaking my language.. Bangkok is fun, but clark in philipines is heaven. oops...
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I would not know that because I am still innocent. I am going to Bangkok for a 5 days course. But thanks for the heads up. When I get to Pakphong, I will mention "Edshal". Same goes to Clarke. Hope they can give me a good price...LMFAO!!!
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very funny when he throw them just like that!! hahaha
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I would not know that because I am still innocent. I am going to Bangkok for a 5 days course. But thanks for the heads up. When I get to Pakphong, I will mention "Edshal". Same goes to Clarke. Hope they can give me a good price...LMFAO!!!
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hahaha... Edshal is my forum nick. just say u came from where im from, confirm treat u like price who owns an oil field. rclxms.gif
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Hi all, Im AL da Great , more into snakes especially pythons. im helping a fren here who in charge of Weekend Morning Talk show called Hujung Minggu Malaysia aired on TV1 from 7.30am til 9.30am.

They have this segment called Aksi Si Comel, where every Sunday, one animal will be appeared in the segment with the owner. The hosts will ask the owner about the basic care of the animal. The purpose of the segment is to educate people the right way of keeping animals.

Here is the detail;
Name of the Segmen: Aksi Si Comel in Hujung Minggu Malaysia
Tv Station : RTM
Channel :TV1
Language: Bahasa Malaysia
Duration: 5-7 minutes
Storyline: The host come to your place, then straight to ur animal cage, interview owner abit about food, basic care n such then the host will go back

Before this the owner have to come to Angkasapuri Kuala Lumpur to join the segment but this time , they want to visit your house coz based on their experience, bringing the animal to the studio will make them stress.like before the host will ask basic husbandry about the animal and wanna see how animal keeper kept their animal.



If you are interested to appeared in the show, do PM me for more detail ya.

p/s Azazel, Aros , Crazymouse, Rafigos, Camillenoir, Uzairi has appeared in the segment before.

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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jul 5 2010, 08:44 AM)
hahaha... Edshal is my forum nick. just say u came from where im from, confirm treat u like price who owns an oil field.  rclxms.gif
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next time you're in kl, pay lorong haji taib a visit and mention 'fido sent me' thumbup.gif

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good luck in your search al - though i think many of these animals had pretty much been covered.

we did bring like a dozen chelonian species to the studio during the may 2nd slot, ain't?

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 6 2010, 08:31 PM)
next time you're in kl, pay lorong haji taib a visit and mention 'fido sent me'  thumbup.gif

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good luck in your search al - though i think many of these animals had pretty much been covered.

we did bring like a dozen chelonian species to the studio during the may 2nd slot, ain't?
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haha.. lorong haji taib. i dont know fak, where the hell is that.. my knowledge of places in KL is very limited.. granti rusa masuk kampung punya..
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As nonono would spell it "Ganruatee" rusa masuk kampung punya.
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that's how they spell it in the university of new south wales, willy nilly crikey crocodile dundee.

they are better than us in everything - they can make a radiated grow by 12inch scl annually and they are specialist at everything they do (except for telling reptile species apart).
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takder yang berminat ker?

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bro... result for special permit application belum keluar.

so kalau staff tv datang melawat rumah is like exposing our d1cks to flying guillotines.

p/s: ali, send some of my pics to me laa. nak update on facebook pun sudah 2 bulan lambat nod.gif

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1st time here...i hv 2 small tortises..but 1 die without symptom...duwan eat 3 months...sad.gif
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yesterday, treating my star with reptaid. having bubble nose & sneezing..

today, the eyes now open, very active, very appetite-full, haent notice the bubbly nose & sneezing.. cant waiting for his treatment to finish.. targeting for 1 mths treatment.
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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jul 11 2010, 11:04 AM)
yesterday, treating my star with reptaid. having bubble nose & sneezing..

today, the eyes now open, very active, very appetite-full, haent notice the bubbly nose & sneezing.. cant waiting for his treatment to finish.. targeting for 1 mths treatment.
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WHERE CAN I BUY THIS "REPTAID" ?

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QUOTE(EdShal @ Jul 11 2010, 11:04 AM)
yesterday, treating my star with reptaid. having bubble nose & sneezing..

today, the eyes now open, very active, very appetite-full, haent notice the bubbly nose & sneezing.. cant waiting for his treatment to finish.. targeting for 1 mths treatment.
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WHERE CAN I BUY THIS "REPTAID" ?
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pm Azazel for rapeaid



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pm Azazel for rapeaid
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I am left with a few bottles left. All Reptaid XL. Do let me know if any are interested because these will be the last bottles for sale. You can reach me at 0162063436. For info. Thanks!
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Any body know where can i buy yelow-footed n red-footed tortoise?

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QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 11 2010, 11:13 PM)
Any body know where can i buy yelow-footed n red-footed tortoise?
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those are seasonal stuff. check pet safari or classified section of this forum from time to time.

and insist on animals that come with documents. the fine for illegal ownership is now officially RM100k.
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QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 11 2010, 11:13 PM)
Any body know where can i buy yelow-footed n red-footed tortoise?
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i saw a lot of red footed in reptile planet,jalan klang lama..all about 4 inch i think..then there is one adult...
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jul 12 2010, 01:09 AM)
i saw a lot of red footed in reptile planet,jalan klang lama..all about 4 inch i think..then there is one adult...
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Added on July 12, 2010, 4:26 pm
QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 11 2010, 11:37 PM)
those are seasonal stuff. check pet safari or classified section of this forum from time to time.

and insist on animals that come with documents. the fine for illegal ownership is now officially RM100k.
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Thanks for the advice, once i get the receipt i have to go to wildlife department to appkly for license?

Where is wildlife department located btw? and how much does it charges?

Thans

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those are seasonal stuff. check pet safari or classified section of this forum from time to time.

and insist on animals that come with documents. the fine for illegal ownership is now officially RM100k.
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i still saw ikano pet store having sulcata,map,red belly,pancake ......btw hows the status of licences..still waiting ...................
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no news bout license thingy izzit?..=_="
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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 14 2010, 04:41 PM)
no news bout license thingy izzit?..=_="
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no news yet...i think it will just like the film gone with the wind......
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What type of filter i can use for my common snapper?? i'm using big plastic guppy tank.
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jul 14 2010, 06:09 PM)
no news yet...i think it will just like the film gone with the wind......
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Added on July 15, 2010, 4:38 pmoh rite..is it impossible to get a license for ST??..biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jul 11 2010, 04:18 PM)
I am left with a few bottles left. All Reptaid XL. Do let me know if any are interested because these will be the last bottles for sale. You can reach me at 0162063436. For info. Thanks!
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Hi buddy, can pm me the price for 1 Rept aid XL? and they got expiry date ar? cool.gif
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Do he need a license? my new ninja! cool2.gif
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QUOTE(chris@cstorie @ Jul 15 2010, 05:38 PM)
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I think no..LOL... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 15 2010, 05:40 PM)
I think no..LOL... biggrin.gif
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it will, once the Invasive Species Act got tabled laugh.gif
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Can i know what species is him ar? my turtle.. hahaha
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Trachemys scripta elegans (Red eared slider)

btw, the husbandry of your turtle needs some revamp. provide more water and a basking spot with basking and uvb light.
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QUOTE(chris@cstorie @ Jul 15 2010, 05:41 PM)
HAHAHA! Just worry will get fine RM100k !  doh.gif
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I dun think you should worry much about the fine(unless you are a trader)...

I mean if you really really get caught, I think you can try to "settle" it...maybe Rm20-30 can dy...(just like road saman)

and by the way, they won't suddenly go inside your house to search rite?.. biggrin.gif

turtle and tortoise doesn't make any sounds...LOL

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At moment ok la...Perhilitan busy got big project yesterday, they won't raid you...
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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 15 2010, 08:40 PM)
I dun think you should worry much about the fine(unless you are a trader)...

I mean if you really really get caught, I think you can try to "settle" it...maybe Rm20-30 can dy...(just like road saman)

and by the way, they won't suddenly go inside your house to search rite?.. biggrin.gif

turtle and tortoise doesn't make any sounds...LOL
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well, just want to tell you that Perhilitan is not utterly ignorant as to let anyone who openly sell star tortoises in public forum pass them by. moreover, got photographic evidence as well...

yes, they do read this forum.
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Yeah lar...I think they won't have the time to raid every pet owner...LOL

it's not like the Tortoise/Turtle that you have is going to be very violent and kill the entire neighborhood..LOL

I think they will only raid very big obvious traders...LOL

so, don't be too afraid lar..biggrin.gif kakakaka....

just my 2 cent...biggrin.gif


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well, just want to tell you that Perhilitan is not utterly ignorant as to let anyone who openly sell star tortoises in public forum pass them by. moreover, got photographic evidence as well...

yes, they do read this forum.
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sorry sorry sorry...T_T

I wasn't mean to take this lightly...

but...

I dunno how to say bro... sad.gif afraid offend the Perhilitan or people here... sad.gif

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i'm not offended, and most of us here aren't either.

maybe you haven't realized this since you're quite new here, but back in 2008-2009, many keepers had been convicted when they are caught with just 1 or 2 animals that were listed under the Wildlife Act. primary reason - they advertised those animals on the Internet.

and please note that back then the fine is not 100k.

just be careful ok.


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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 15 2010, 09:53 PM)
i'm not offended, and most of us here aren't either.

maybe you haven't realized this since you're quite new here, but back in 2008-2009, many keepers had been convicted when they are caught with just 1 or 2 animals that were listed under the Wildlife Act. primary reason - they advertised those animals on the Internet.

and please note that back then the fine is not 100k.

just be careful ok.
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oh ok2...I dun know that this happened before... sad.gif

Thanks for the advice...really appreciate it... smile.gif


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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 15 2010, 09:53 PM)
i'm not offended, and most of us here aren't either.

maybe you haven't realized this since you're quite new here, but back in 2008-2009, many keepers had been convicted when they are caught with just 1 or 2 animals that were listed under the Wildlife Act. primary reason - they advertised those animals on the Internet.

and please note that back then the fine is not 100k.

just be careful ok.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 15 2010, 07:02 PM)
Trachemys scripta elegans (Red eared slider)

btw, the husbandry of your turtle needs some revamp. provide more water and a basking spot with basking and uvb light.
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what you mean by basking spot ? >"<
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what you mean by basking spot ? >"<
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I had RES before..

RES should be kept in deep water..but then need to let them have a place to bask...so, when they are tired they can rest at the basking spot..and bask under the sun, or maybe ur basking/uvb light...biggrin.gif

This is a sample pic...

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you can read more about taking care of RES in here...

http://www.redearslider.com/

This website used to be my fav website when I had RES..biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 16 2010, 02:13 AM)
I had RES before..

RES should be kept in deep water..but then need to let them have a place to bask...so, when they are tired they can rest at the basking spot..and bask under the sun, or maybe ur basking/uvb light...biggrin.gif

This is a sample pic...

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you can read more about taking care of RES in here...

http://www.redearslider.com/

This website used to be my fav website when I had RES..biggrin.gif
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Thanks!

Means i have to let them have sun bath? lol i added some water for them already.

I don't dare to put him with my guppy tank. I scare my guppy all gone lol. So, i bought him a plastic tank. quite cool! with bridge ( basking spot? ) somemore.

Hahaha looking at him/her make me so funny! but i did some researches, i think she is a girl! nod.gif
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QUOTE(chris@cstorie @ Jul 16 2010, 02:22 AM)
Thanks!

Means i have to let them have sun bath? lol i added some water for them already.

I don't dare to put him with my guppy tank. I scare my guppy all gone lol. So, i bought him a plastic tank. quite cool! with bridge ( basking spot? ) somemore.

Hahaha looking at him/her make me so funny! but i did some researches, i think she is a girl!  nod.gif
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yeah dun put it with fishes, they all will gone!...LOL they are omnivorous anyway, and RES or any turtle only eat in water...they don't have their own saliva...so they need water to help them swallow...if you let it dry like that..it won't eat...

baby RES are mostly carnivorous and as they get older starting to be more herbivorous (CMIIW)

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QUOTE(deviannear @ Jul 16 2010, 04:19 PM)
Dude the pic u posted is clearly not enough , I filled my tank almost full , maybe 3/4 of the tank .
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err..I just simply take it from the net, actually I wanna show him the basking spot.. not the depth of the water..biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Al da Great @ Jul 15 2010, 11:46 PM)
baik cikgu!!
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QUOTE(deviannear @ Jul 16 2010, 07:53 PM)
Alright , just stick to the thumb rule , 10 gallons of water to every inch of the turtle size , it makes it like a 7 inched turtle should have 70 gallon of water for it.
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QUOTE(chris@cstorie @ Jul 16 2010, 09:05 PM)
why do RES need so many waters? lol but my little turtle always stand on the bridge..  doh.gif
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If I'm your turtle I think I will do the same..

no place to swim, why bother swim in water?..=_="

they need to swim lar...if not later die u know.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 17 2010, 01:08 AM)
If I'm your turtle I think I will do the same..

no place to swim, why bother swim in water?..=_="

they need to swim lar...if not later die u know.. sad.gif
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Huh really ar? >"< will change a bigger place for him.. omg.. never knew that.. that shop keeper told me.. for kid.. that is enuff.. omg omg..
my turtle look shy lo.. >"< always hide under the bridge lol .. am i not so friendly for him ? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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What type of filter i can use for my common snapper?? i'm using big plastic guppy tank.
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help me?? smile.gif
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size of turtle?

bigger snappers could potentially bite off wiring, so keepers mostly use canisters or install a partition.

if using guppy tank, it is easier to just change water.


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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 17 2010, 10:22 AM)
size of turtle?

bigger snappers could potentially bite off wiring, so keepers mostly use canisters or install a partition.

if using guppy tank, it is easier to just change water.
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5inch...++--
got ur point. thanks biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(danny94 @ Jul 17 2010, 10:35 AM)
5inch...++--
got ur point. thanks biggrin.gif
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Soon... Right away after I reach malaysia
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Anyone seen this article regarding, seize Madagascar tortoises, tomato frogs, etc ( Sat Star paper ).....According to " Perhilitan " Legal and enforcement principal assistant director Loo Kean Seong....If the Madagascar govement do not want to take back the animals....Perhilitan intend to " EUTHANISE " shocking.gif them or sell them ?. rclxub.gif ..... Google " Take back animals, Madagascar told " to see article.....I want oooh drool.gif drool.gif
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Heheeee! Share with you all ! cool2.gif
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Hi,

Jus wonder, if i bought a red-footed tortoise from petshop, and it issued me a receipt with the license n import/cites num, i can jus go to the wildlife department and get my license for the animal?

How much does it charges ?
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Anyone seen this article regarding,  seize Madagascar tortoises, tomato frogs, etc ( Sat Star paper ).....According to " Perhilitan " Legal and enforcement principal assistant director Loo Kean Seong....If the Madagascar govement do not want to take back the animals....Perhilitan intend to " EUTHANISE "  shocking.gif  them or sell them ?. rclxub.gif ..... Google " Take back animals, Madagascar told " to see article.....I want oooh  drool.gif  drool.gif
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hmm i wonder if i can go to perhilitan and take back my ynip and pay them 100 as compensation... whistling.gif

QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 18 2010, 04:54 PM)
Hi,

Jus wonder, if i bought a red-footed tortoise from petshop, and it issued me a receipt with the license n import/cites num, i can jus go to the wildlife department and get my license for the animal?

How much does it charges ?
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the licensing period oredi over bro...
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QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 18 2010, 04:54 PM)
Hi,

Jus wonder, if i bought a red-footed tortoise from petshop, and it issued me a receipt with the license n import/cites num, i can jus go to the wildlife department and get my license for the animal?

How much does it charges ?
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yes you can. they'd only charge rm10.

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please note that the grace period back then was only for animals without proper documentation.

permit application for animals that come with receipt and cites paper could always be done.
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yes you can. they'd only charge rm10.

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please note that the grace period back then was only for animals without proper documentation.

permit application for animals that come with receipt and cites paper could always be done.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 18 2010, 05:54 PM)
yes you can. they'd only charge rm10.

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please note that the grace period back then was only for animals without proper documentation.

permit application for animals that come with receipt and cites paper could always be done.
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biggrin.gif Thanks
Been told that the wildlife department for selangor is located in Shah Alam seksyen 8, anybody know the exact location of it?
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Been told that the wildlife department for selangor is located in Shah Alam seksyen 8, anybody know the exact location of it?
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try to google map..at jalan lanar..really easy place to go..
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Hi, what the best substrates for I-star and sulcata? im currently using pine shavings.some website say cannot some say can. =s
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Hi, what the best substrates for I-star and sulcata? im currently using pine shavings.some website say cannot some say can. =s
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i would say "cat litter recycle paper" from brand "Breeder Celect" is the best one..look like pellet one,sure u know that one..and the packaging like this

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QUOTE(jzdennis4 @ Jul 19 2010, 10:11 AM)
Hi, what the best substrates for I-star and sulcata? im currently using pine shavings.some website say cannot some say can. =s
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what you have to do now is to remove those pine shavings ASAP (aka tonight) and use old newspaper as substrate while you're searching for new substrate.

pine oils are toxic, and could get into the tortoises' systems through inhalation, consumption (pieces dissolved in drinking water), etc etc.

in short, please get them away from your tortoises.
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Jul 19 2010, 10:57 AM)
i would say "cat litter recycle paper" from brand "Breeder Celect" is the best one..look like pellet one,sure u know that one..and the packaging like this

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Added on July 19, 2010, 8:50 pm
QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 19 2010, 08:19 PM)
what you have to do now is to remove those pine shavings ASAP (aka tonight) and use old newspaper as substrate while you're searching for new substrate.

pine oils are toxic, and could get into the tortoises' systems through inhalation, consumption (pieces dissolved in drinking water), etc etc.

in short, please get them away from your tortoises.
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4 more days to go and counting...

We hope to see you soon. Bring all your family and friends.

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i'll try to find  smile.gif


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easiest way to find is pet safari at ikano..go to cat litter section at pet lover then u can find that..but if u live near sri petaling or bukit jalil,there is cat shop selling it cheaper than another place..
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Permit of cites tortoises out already from HQ. Was 5th July actually but all name who listed already out.
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I dunno why. I bought 4 red ear slider. Three of them died due to soft bone disease. Is it because the water is cold? I try to dried them under hot sun without water. They still died.

Luckily got 1 alive and now grow to 2 inch....

What did I do wrong?
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I dunno why. I bought 4 red ear slider. Three of them died due to soft bone disease. Is it because the water is cold? I try to dried them under hot sun without water. They still died.

Luckily got 1 alive and now grow to 2 inch....

What did I do wrong?
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could be because of so many things as you didn't describe the husbandry, diet etc., but the first thing that i could think of is malnutrition (they'd probably didn't get enough calcium/d3).

and leaving turtles under hot sun without water is a big no-no. the dark shell would be a very efficient heat conductor, thus cooking the organs inside.

if you have any photos of the surviving turtle, please upload them here and maybe we could assess what had happened.
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Permit of cites tortoises out already from HQ. Was 5th July actually but all name who listed already out.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 21 2010, 12:03 AM)
could be because of so many things as you didn't describe the husbandry, diet etc., but the first thing that i could think of is malnutrition (they'd probably didn't get enough calcium/d3).

and leaving turtles under hot sun without water is a big no-no. the dark shell would be a very efficient heat conductor, thus cooking the organs inside.

if you have any photos of the surviving turtle, please upload them here and maybe we could assess what had happened.
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malnutrition is confirm 100% because they don't even eat.

Maybe i should put them in warm salt water for 1/2 hour...

Picture not taken yet... the surviving one is very healthy... growing very fast.... i change water everyday...
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Hi.. I'm new in this forum. I've been reading all the topic about TTT in this forum, I can see lots of member a big fans of star tortoise. I have some but none of them still a baby .. I've got them 8 years ago .. so all of them grown up already. Right now I don't put them in terrarium anymore just let them run free around the house and garden. Star is not my favorite, I'm more Radiata fan. Because star not as pretty and cute when they grow old. I read about sudden death, and don't know why. maybe I can share some of my experience. I have 3 star and 5 Radiata and 1 box turtle. I have their picture and I will post it soon (after I figure it out how hehehhehehe) . I've got Bearded Dragon too (not a baby anymore too )

Oya about Okra or lady finger, it's ok to feed your tortoise with Okra but it has a high protein, it will cause your tortoise pyramiding fast.

Ask me anything I hope I can contribute in this forum smile.gif
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 21 2010, 08:39 AM)
Hi.. I'm new in this forum. I've been reading all the topic about TTT in this forum, I can see lots of member a big fans of star tortoise. I have some but none of them still a baby ..  I've got them 8 years ago .. so all of them grown up already. Right now I don't put them in terrarium anymore just let them run free around the house and garden. Star is not my favorite, I'm more Radiata fan. Because star not as pretty and cute when they grow old. I read about sudden death, and don't know why. maybe I can share some of my experience. I have 3 star and 5 Radiata and 1 box turtle. I have their picture and I will post it soon (after I figure it out how hehehhehehe) . I've got Bearded Dragon too (not a baby anymore too )

Oya about Okra or lady finger, it's ok to feed your tortoise with Okra but it has a high protein, it will cause your tortoise pyramiding fast.

Ask me anything I hope I can contribute in this forum smile.gif
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As much as you liked them... did you get permit for your stars and radiata?
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Permit of cites tortoises out already from HQ. Was 5th July actually but all name who listed already out.
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What do you mean? Pls be more specific, u mean for which species is it approved? Stars, radiated, spider etc?
How do u get the permit if you have declared? Just go to HQ(you mean the Cheras one I presume) and pay for the permit or what?

**Camille any updates on this? thx
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 21 2010, 08:39 AM)
Hi.. I'm new in this forum. I've been reading all the topic about TTT in this forum, I can see lots of member a big fans of star tortoise. I have some but none of them still a baby ..  I've got them 8 years ago .. so all of them grown up already. Right now I don't put them in terrarium anymore just let them run free around the house and garden. Star is not my favorite, I'm more Radiata fan. Because star not as pretty and cute when they grow old. I read about sudden death, and don't know why. maybe I can share some of my experience. I have 3 star and 5 Radiata and 1 box turtle. I have their picture and I will post it soon (after I figure it out how hehehhehehe) . I've got Bearded Dragon too (not a baby anymore too )

Oya about Okra or lady finger, it's ok to feed your tortoise with Okra but it has a high protein, it will cause your tortoise pyramiding fast.

Ask me anything I hope I can contribute in this forum smile.gif
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hi, can u share more abt the difference between taking care of a Star and Radiata?? smile.gif any important stuff/s have to cautious? blush.gif me still new in here
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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jul 21 2010, 08:14 AM)
As much as you liked them... did you get permit for your stars and radiata?
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In my country Istar and Radiata don't need permit. we've got plenty here. A few month ago my Istar had hatch 5 hatchling from 6 egg. I gave them to the zoo. I one of WWF member and it sad to see rare animal being in the black market.. You can find Yniphora (the rarest among tortoise) here (T T). Hope when my Radiata reach age of 10 (1,5 years from now) I can breading them too. Wish me luck smile.gif


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hi, can u share more abt the difference between taking care of a Star and Radiata??  smile.gif  any important stuff/s have to cautious?   blush.gif me still new in here
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For me there is a different. Istar are more sensitive than Radiata. The humidity and temperature must be accurate. Istar are easily got lung disease than radiata. I always afraid if a newbie bought an Istar (even Istar are more cheaper but their more fragile than Radiata). With Radiata if they got runny nose I can easily gave them garamycin Drop (Gentamicin sulfate) but not to Istar, I have to treat them like a baby. With the right heat Radiata will be fine, but baby/ hatchling Istar humadity is very crucial and they got stress easily. (Istar Also can't stand high dose drugs they can easily overdose)

Someone post about how to force feeding a tortoise, well I tell you it's not pretty. We have to blend the food and open their mouth with a spoon, but you can not doing it too hard because it can crack their mouth (ouch!!) I used pipet instead of spoon. But if their nostril are block They wont survive either. so you have to pump it it out.

Istar more easily got stressed, Radiata more well adjust to a new environment. Istar more picky with their food. Radiata will eat everything.

Is your Istar sleeping all day. please check her eyes if it runny and swollen it mean she got flue or lung problems. If not that can be because he stress out.

Their environment very crucial. 1. Terrarium : don't use fish Aquarium because it's more humid than reptile terrarium (shorter version than Fish) 2. Bedding : Calsiumsand is a big No no they can eat it and got stomach blocked. news paper .. well You have to change it everyday because if they got wet by water, humidity will rise (lung prob.) I use mix of activated carbon, ziolit sand (wash it first) with small rock (krikil, I called here don't know in english blush.gif ) and I put a rubber carpet with hole (like anti-slip carpet) above the small rock mixture... Why, because Ziolit sand and activated carbon will will neutralized acid (from TTT pee) so TTT wont got poisoned with acid steam. And it will reduce the humid also.

Treatment for carapace : Use an natural ointment, don't use chemical. I use Kamilosan Ointment (this ointment used by breast feeding mother, the ingredients are honey from flower. How to know natural ointment and chemical ointment: put it in the water if the oil have a rainbow effect it contain chemical.

Well I have to reminded you, I'm no expert. I'm just a have them for quite sometimes blush.gif I don't know what information needed for this forum. Here we don't have a vet specialize for Tortoise and reptile that's why me and my friends keep browsing and share information about care sheet. Sometimes care sheet from European country or America can not be used here in Asian country.

Hope my information help, ask me anytime ... Love to know there are people like and care for TTT smile.gif


Added on July 22, 2010, 4:30 amTesting photo

this is my today radiata with my son

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This post has been edited by SheNightOwl: Jul 22 2010, 04:54 AM
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 21 2010, 08:39 AM)

Oya about Okra or lady finger, it's ok to feed your tortoise with Okra but it has a high protein, it will cause your tortoise pyramiding fast.

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that's totally not okay. although conical scute formation in G. elegans could be linked to genetics, pyramiding in captive bred specimens are often pathological, caused by too much protein in their diet and to some degree, lack of moisture.

shells of specimens with diet-induced pyramiding are thick but porous, making it weak and susceptible to cracking and all kinds of mishaps.


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and plus, induced pyramiding could cause unnatural vertebral formation, which would be very very detrimental to the specimen's health as it could disrupt the organs.


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as such, inducing pyramiding through high protein food (okra, beans) is an atrocity. those tortoises would most probably outlive us, handing them a lifetime of pain is plainly wrong.

QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jul 22 2010, 12:42 AM)
What do you mean? Pls be more specific, u mean for which species is it approved? Stars, radiated, spider etc?
How do u get the permit if you have declared? Just go to HQ(you mean the Cheras one I presume) and pay for the permit or what?

**Camille any updates on this? thx
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no idea on that, sorry. they should've contacted us if permits are issued. i'll try to ask around today.

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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 22 2010, 03:21 AM)
In my country Istar and Radiata don't need permit. we've got plenty here. A few month ago my Istar had hatch 5 hatchling from 6 egg. I gave them to the zoo. I one of WWF member and it sad to see rare animal being in the black market.. You can find Yniphora (the rarest among tortoise) here (T T). Hope when my Radiata reach age of 10 (1,5 years from now) I can breading them too. Wish me luck smile.gif


Added on July 22, 2010, 4:12 am

For me there is a different. Istar are more sensitive than Radiata. The humidity and temperature must be accurate. Istar are easily got lung disease than radiata. I always afraid if a newbie bought an Istar (even Istar are more cheaper but their more fragile than Radiata). With Radiata if they got runny nose I can easily gave them garamycin Drop (Gentamicin sulfate) but not to Istar, I have to treat them like a baby. With the right heat Radiata will be fine, but baby/ hatchling Istar humadity is very crucial and they got stress easily. (Istar Also can't stand high dose drugs they can easily overdose)

Someone post about how to force feeding a tortoise, well I tell you it's not pretty. We have to blend the food and open their mouth with a spoon, but you can not doing it too hard because it can crack their mouth (ouch!!) I used pipet instead of spoon. But if their nostril are block They wont survive either. so you have to pump it it out.

Istar more easily got stressed, Radiata more well adjust to a new environment. Istar more picky with their food. Radiata will eat everything.

Is your Istar sleeping all day. please check her eyes if it runny and swollen it mean she got flue or lung problems. If not that can be because he stress out.

Their environment very crucial. 1. Terrarium : don't use fish Aquarium because it's more humid than reptile terrarium (shorter version than Fish) 2. Bedding : Calsiumsand is a big No no they can eat it and got stomach blocked. news paper .. well You have to change it everyday because if they got wet by water, humidity will rise (lung prob.) I use mix of activated carbon, ziolit sand (wash it first) with small rock (krikil, I called here don't know in english  blush.gif ) and I put a rubber carpet with hole (like anti-slip carpet) above the small rock mixture... Why, because Ziolit sand and activated carbon will will neutralized acid (from TTT pee) so TTT wont got poisoned with acid steam. And it will reduce the humid also.

Treatment for carapace : Use an natural ointment, don't use chemical. I use Kamilosan Ointment (this ointment used by breast feeding mother, the ingredients are honey from flower. How to know natural ointment and chemical ointment: put it in the water if the oil have a rainbow effect it contain chemical.

Well I have to reminded you, I'm no expert. I'm just a have them for quite sometimes  blush.gif I don't know what information needed for this forum. Here we don't have a vet specialize for Tortoise and reptile that's why me and my friends keep browsing and share information about care sheet. Sometimes care sheet from European country or America can not be used here in Asian country.

Hope my information help, ask me anytime ... Love to know there are people like and care for TTT  smile.gif


Added on July 22, 2010, 4:30 amTesting photo

this is my today radiata with my son

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Wow.. nice info... and nice photo. So big (i mean the tortoise)... looking forward more more photos smile.gif
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judging by the condition of the sutures, yep the shell looks soft. I assume that the turtle haven't gotten enough UVB/D3?

try pellets with D3 (wardley's, exoterra) or hooking up with UVB bulbs. (either one, not both).

and of course a dry basking rock in its aquarium with overhead basking light (rm1.50 osram bulb would do).
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About Okra/ Lady finger. I think I should make it simple... Okra/lady finger is like a candy for kids. You don't feed them everyday with it, not even every week. I told you the truth, I gave Okra to my pet but occasionally (not even once a month). And I understand is hard to change your Istar diet once their "addicted" with Okra. But yes, it's not good for them, just like candy for kids, Ok but not good. Mizuri will be the best candy for them, if the mizury to hard for them, you can soak Mizuri with a little warm water it will be like congee/ porridge. I remember how panic I was after I know about Okra effect to my tortoise it took me 2 weeks to make them eat proper food. Hope this helping.

More picture coming soon smile.gif
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 22 2010, 03:21 AM)
In my country Istar and Radiata don't need permit. we've got plenty here. A few month ago my Istar had hatch 5 hatchling from 6 egg. I gave them to the zoo. I one of WWF member and it sad to see rare animal being in the black market.. You can find Yniphora (the rarest among tortoise) here (T T). Hope when my Radiata reach age of 10 (1,5 years from now) I can breading them too. Wish me luck smile.gif




this is my today radiata with my son

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Hi,

Where are you from ?

Good looking kid and nice tort there.
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Where are you from ?

Good looking kid and nice tort there.
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I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia. Thank you

When they still baby (cute and small)

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I hope this picture gave the idea for terrarium bedding

Below is my Sulcata terrarium when he's a baby. I didn't mention him before because I sold him last year. Tooo Big (as big as 15" car tire) and he has a big appetite hahahahaha

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This is the terrarium I was talking about not tall like fish tank, Sulcata bedding different from Radiata, Pixys and Istar (It don't last long any way 3 weeks only than I free him in my garden hahahahhahaha..)

Below is Pixys . Pixys also a tortoise but it small size always in terrarium, I gave her to my nephew a few month ago.

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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 22 2010, 11:48 AM)
I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia. Thank you

When they still baby (cute and small)

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I hope this picture gave the idea for terrarium bedding

Below is my Sulcata terrarium when he's a baby. I didn't mention him before because I sold him last year. Tooo Big (as big as 15" car tire) and he has a big appetite hahahahaha

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This is the terrarium I was talking about not tall like fish tank, Sulcata bedding different from Radiata, Pixys and Istar (It don't last long any way 3 weeks only than I free him in my garden hahahahhahaha..)

Below is Pixys . Pixys also a tortoise but it small size always in terrarium, I gave her to my nephew a few month ago.

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Is good to have u here....is there any substitute other than Use an natural ointment?
can tell me whats the food that u often give it to your tortoise?almost every meal have?
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Thank you Akuning smile.gif
I don't know about any substitute for carapace cream. One of my friend got carapace treatment cream from Japan, I read the ingredients and Kamilosan are the closest one Kamilosan ointment made from Camomile Honey, it works like anti-septic but also moisturized the carapace by far I don't have carapace problem, I read it some where about carapace disease that cause of a small wound (especially if you put your tortoise in the garden, like I did). I don't gave them every day only once every two weeks.

I often gave my tortoise Hibiscus leaf and flower, Opuntia cactus (because it's free hahahahaha. I plant it in my garden), watercress and fumak/siomak. And they also eat my grass if I'm late feeding them. Papaya once a week. for treat I gave them Okra but mostly I gave them Mazuri (a bit expensive here and not easy to find). For the sick Tortoise I gave them murbei leaf (it's a leaf for worm that made silk - ulet sutra). Why.. well murbei leaf have the ingredient that can make regeneration faster.
I don't gave them food that gassy like capsicum, sawi or cauliflower. Every meal I sparkle it with calsium but not the one that sold in the market.. I use hhmmm what it's call? Well It's call tulang sotong here in indonesia (Calamary bone??? I don't know the name in English.. sorry... but it commonly used for bird)

Hope this info help.
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 22 2010, 06:04 PM)
Thank you Akuning smile.gif
I don't know about any substitute for carapace cream. One of my friend got carapace treatment cream from Japan, I read the ingredients and Kamilosan are the closest one Kamilosan ointment made from Camomile Honey, it works like anti-septic but also moisturized the carapace by far I don't have carapace problem, I read it some where about carapace disease that cause of a small wound (especially if you put your tortoise in the garden, like I did). I don't gave them every day only once every two weeks.

I often gave my tortoise Hibiscus leaf and flower, Opuntia cactus  (because it's free hahahahaha. I plant it in my garden), watercress and fumak/siomak. And they also eat my grass if I'm late feeding them. Papaya once a week. for treat I gave them Okra but mostly I gave them Mazuri (a bit expensive here and not easy to find). For the sick Tortoise I gave them murbei leaf (it's a leaf for worm that made silk - ulet sutra). Why.. well murbei leaf have the ingredient that can make regeneration faster.
I don't gave them food that gassy like capsicum, sawi or cauliflower. Every meal I sparkle it with calsium but not the one that sold in the market.. I use hhmmm what it's call? Well It's call tulang sotong here in indonesia (Calamary bone??? I don't know the name in English.. sorry... but it commonly used for bird)

Hope this info help.
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Its a cuttle bone i guess laugh.gif
I saw that U wrote u have used gentamicin for tortoise? You instilled it into the TT's nose? or into the mouth?
Are u using the eye drop preparation?

U have poste a lot of useful info here, TQ so much smile.gif


Added on July 22, 2010, 7:22 pm
QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 22 2010, 07:20 PM)
Its a cuttle bone i guess  laugh.gif
I saw that U wrote u have used gentamicin for tortoise?  You instilled it into the TT's nose? or into the mouth?
Are u using the eye drop preparation?

U have poste a lot of useful info here, TQ so much  smile.gif
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Oh ya, for those wana get a license for tort, pls bring along a picture of your tort, i jus came back from perhilitan yest. But they said, Star tort you cant get a license.

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Good day to all, want to ask a question which i am looking for answer for long time...

Is it possible i can cut nail of my green turtle? or any other way to make it shorter? that's because their nail are too long, long enough to cut my fingertips.
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QUOTE(SheNightOwl @ Jul 22 2010, 06:04 PM)
Thank you Akuning smile.gif
I don't know about any substitute for carapace cream. One of my friend got carapace treatment cream from Japan, I read the ingredients and Kamilosan are the closest one Kamilosan ointment made from Camomile Honey, it works like anti-septic but also moisturized the carapace by far I don't have carapace problem, I read it some where about carapace disease that cause of a small wound (especially if you put your tortoise in the garden, like I did). I don't gave them every day only once every two weeks.

I often gave my tortoise Hibiscus leaf and flower, Opuntia cactus  (because it's free hahahahaha. I plant it in my garden), watercress and fumak/siomak. And they also eat my grass if I'm late feeding them. Papaya once a week. for treat I gave them Okra but mostly I gave them Mazuri (a bit expensive here and not easy to find). For the sick Tortoise I gave them murbei leaf (it's a leaf for worm that made silk - ulet sutra). Why.. well murbei leaf have the ingredient that can make regeneration faster.
I don't gave them food that gassy like capsicum, sawi or cauliflower. Every meal I sparkle it with calsium but not the one that sold in the market.. I use hhmmm what it's call? Well It's call tulang sotong here in indonesia (Calamary bone??? I don't know the name in English.. sorry... but it commonly used for bird)

Hope this info help.
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Thx for your info...
Opuntia cactus is that the kind of cactus very slim 1?did u peel off the skin?
May i know what is fumak /siomak?
i also got use tulang sotong...hope it works...
i did heard of someone apply olive oil at carapace and some said use aloevera at carapace?did u heard any of this? u think is it good for them?

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turtles lover.. check this out.. xD...

http://www.mudah.my/Rare+double+headed+red...der-6698609.htm
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QUOTE(uSry^_^ @ Jul 23 2010, 02:06 PM)
lol 90k. back in 2008, it was around 3k-4k. i've posted some pics in TTT version 3.

anyway, those breeders who are still intentionally breeding this kind of monstrosities are f*cking irresponsible.
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 23 2010, 02:22 PM)
lol 90k. back in 2008, it was around 3k-4k. i've posted some pics in TTT version 3.

anyway, those breeders who are still intentionally breeding this kind of monstrosities are f*cking irresponsible.
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I saw those that intentionally breed turtle with 8 figure, but 2 headed? How to intentionally breed?
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Hundreds Of Malagasy Tortoises Seized In Malaysia
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http://envdevmalaysia.wordpress.com/2010/0...ed-in-malaysia/

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Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 16 July 2010 – Malaysian Customs Department officers on Wednesday foiled another attempt to smuggle hundreds of Critically Endangered Madagascar tortoises into Malaysia and arrested two women in whose bags, the tortoises were hidden.

The Malagasy women had filled two bags with 369 Radiated Tortoises Astrochelys radiata and five Ploughshare Tortoises Astrochelys yniphora. Apart from the tortoises, the duo had also hidden 47 Tomato Frogs Dyscophus antongilii and several chameleons in their luggage.

This is the second case in just over a month involving the smuggling of these rare tortoises into Malaysia In early June, Customs officers at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport, discovered 285 Radiated Tortoises, 14 Spider Tortoises Pyxis arachnoids and a Ploughshare Tortoise in two unclaimed suitcases that also contained a stash of drugs. No arrests were made in that incident.

The reptiles and amphibians seized in both cases have been handed over to the Department of Wildlife and National Parks (Perhilitan).

Perhilitan Director-General Datuk Abd. Rasid Samsudin told press that the two suspects were being investigated under Section 10(A) of Malaysia’s International Trade in Endangered Species Act 2008, which came into force this month.

This section of the law provides for a total fine of up to MYR 1 million or a maximum jail sentence of seven years, or both, if a person is convicted of importing or exporting any scheduled species without a permit.

These cases confirm links between criminal elements in Southeast Asia and Madagascar. TRAFFIC Southeast Asia urges enforcement agencies within the ASEAN-WEN to collaborate in shutting these syndicates down, especially in international airports, as these are truly the hubs of the trade.

Investigations to find the masterminds behind the trade in Madagascar’s tortoises in Southeast Asia should be initiated. It is these people, and those that continue to buy these illegal animals that are driving them towards extinction.

The second seizure of Madagascar tortoises comes hot on the heels of several Perhilitan successes this month.

“Malaysia’s enforcement officers are to be congratulated on their crackdown on wildlife crime, which is sending a strong signal to those involved in the illicit trade that crime doesn’t pay,” said James Compton, Programme Director of TRAFFIC’s Asia-Pacific Programme.

On 11 July, Perhilitan’s Wildlife Crime Unit (WCU) raided the premises of a flea market trader in the state of Selangor and seized several wildlife trophies including five Tiger claws, the casks and beaks of two Rhinoceros Hornbills, Sambar and Barking Deer antlers, bags and shoes made of python and cobra skins and 96 items made of elephant ivory.

On 13 July , the WCU and Malaysian Police raided a car workshop in Kuala Lumpur and discovered over 600 birds, many of them protected under local legislation and/or by international conventions, including three Straw-headed Bulbuls Pycnonotus zeylanicus a Blue-and-Yellow Macaw Ara ararauna, nine Sulphur-crested Cockatoos Cacatua galerita, three Palm Cockatoos Probosciger aterrimus and a pair of Twelve-wired Bird of Paradise Seleucidis melanoleucus.

Two men linked to this case are still at large, police told press on Tuesday when announcing the seizure.

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