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yeezai
post Jun 17 2010, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jun 13 2010, 11:01 PM)
So has any members here declared their stuff?

When you declare, what does it involve?...only your name, proxy address & the species and number that you are keeping? Do you actually bring it to the local perhilitan or just take a photo of them?

Just out of curiosity, what are they(wildlife) gonna do with the surrendered chelonians? Sell them back at a cheap price to public like in the past or put up for adoption?

Maybe throw them in the wild or send all to zoo? Or more likely some underlings or senior officials might just keep them for their own & no one would know what happened to them. Taking in 500 torts and just say sending back 400 back to their original home(doubt it would be done..Madagascar/Sri Lanka/india duh??!!) leaves them with 100 missing that could go to their own home and reported as dead in transit.

It's just so sickening to think you are surrendering ur pets to a bunch of goons that 1)cant be trusted 2)ur pets fate wont be any better & most will probably die either under suboptimal care or during transport. **reminds me of a story i heard that leopards confiscated at one time was all thrown into a water pool as the officers there thought they are marine turtles..can swim, all ended up drowned and died a cruel death**

Pls keep updating any news you guys hear as only 2 weeks more to go. Thanks.

We want to abide by the law but the law doesnt seem any bit sensible or fair in any sense sometimes. Just imagine if they said anyone with pirated DVDs/Mp3 must surrender all of it, if not get fined 100k if found...Im sure there are more heinous real crimes out there but they are not too active in tackling those, instead become interested in trivial matters that dont contribute to ppl's well-being/health and country's economy.
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damn its been a while....i wonder what they gonna do with all the surrendered stuff ? left them to die ? put to zoo or send back to original country ? i doubt the latter 2..we need to protest to this insane ruling...since we have kept it why dun let us get a permit ...


Added on June 17, 2010, 4:40 pm
QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 12 2010, 09:09 AM)
I may be wrong, but isn't this like having pirated movies at home?

Can these people actually raid our home? Let's say they ring on bell, we go quickly hide the animals, will they turn our whole house upside down, or will they just storm into our home? What rights do they have to do that? They need to get a search permit, get the police, etc etc.

So is the new law really targeting/scaring us or just mainly to traders which is much easier to catch?
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they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...

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post Jun 17 2010, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jun 17 2010, 05:42 PM)
Since we only have 3 sp of local tortoise lets spice up our local fauna list shall we ??

Since TRAFFIC , WWF our local wildlife department want no " illegal" stuff in private hand after 29thJUNE  WHY not we donate to nature and set them free !!
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+9999 ....i rather put them to nature and see how it changes our ecosystem in future rather then surrender to them which i think will ended up left to die scenario...
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post Jun 19 2010, 02:46 PM

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does Podocnemis unifilis(yellow spotted ) in cites ? i cant find it...
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post Jun 22 2010, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(CnT @ Jun 22 2010, 10:10 AM)
Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.
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rather release it oso...new sp will cross breed with local sp and create a New exotic ones... thumbup.gif


Added on June 22, 2010, 12:48 pm
QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 19 2010, 02:52 PM)


Added on June 19, 2010, 3:00 pm

yes. all Podocnemis are listed under CITES II
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damn i have few cites 2 then....hmmmm

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post Jun 26 2010, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 25 2010, 06:36 PM)
as for this country, stars never had proper documentation.

i can't advise anything but to declare (not surrender) them. monday is the last day, btw.

yeah, this is a gamble that all keepers must put a wager on if we want to see them legalized.
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ive just fill in the form in permaisuri office...ive notice alot of star keeper declared but as i know ppl keeping star should surrender it to their office ...other sp i think should be ok..cross finger...
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post Jun 26 2010, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 26 2010, 05:20 PM)
The Director @ Permaisuri is one considerate and open minded man. He even visited my place in Malacca to see all those animals once he heard about the captive breeding efforts that I have been doing. So he should be ok with honest declarations.

the problem, as i mentioned earlier, is that state directors can only give recommendations/reviews. all applications for the special permission would be screened by the Natural Resources Ministry.

to all my friends here - monday is the last day. just send in the form and hope for the best.

if there are any misconducts/confiscations during the course of application (not applicable to animals listed under Act 76 or animals in Sabah/Sarawak),
record the names of officers involved and give the Natural Resources Ministry a call.
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how to record their name ??
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post Jun 27 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 27 2010, 09:43 AM)
write in notebook, save in pendrive, burn in CD  laugh.gif

those 'enforcement officers' have to show their ID before entering our premises. take note of that smile.gif
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i hope they dun come my house inspect coz normally i wont be at home...
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post Jul 1 2010, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 1 2010, 01:41 AM)
err guys, what should I do if I dun have any permit for my ST..??
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you will be fined and jail or both...but theres always i way i guess... whistling.gif
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post Jul 12 2010, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 11 2010, 11:37 PM)
those are seasonal stuff. check pet safari or classified section of this forum from time to time.

and insist on animals that come with documents. the fine for illegal ownership is now officially RM100k.
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i still saw ikano pet store having sulcata,map,red belly,pancake ......btw hows the status of licences..still waiting ...................
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post Jul 14 2010, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jul 14 2010, 04:41 PM)
no news bout license thingy izzit?..=_="
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no news yet...i think it will just like the film gone with the wind......
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post Jul 18 2010, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(tortoisecrazy @ Jul 18 2010, 12:41 PM)
Anyone seen this article regarding,  seize Madagascar tortoises, tomato frogs, etc ( Sat Star paper ).....According to " Perhilitan " Legal and enforcement principal assistant director Loo Kean Seong....If the Madagascar govement do not want to take back the animals....Perhilitan intend to " EUTHANISE "  shocking.gif  them or sell them ?. rclxub.gif ..... Google " Take back animals, Madagascar told " to see article.....I want oooh  drool.gif  drool.gif
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hmm i wonder if i can go to perhilitan and take back my ynip and pay them 100 as compensation... whistling.gif

QUOTE(CreepyCrawly @ Jul 18 2010, 04:54 PM)
Hi,

Jus wonder, if i bought a red-footed tortoise from petshop, and it issued me a receipt with the license n import/cites num, i can jus go to the wildlife department and get my license for the animal?

How much does it charges ?
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the licensing period oredi over bro...
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post Jul 18 2010, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jul 18 2010, 05:54 PM)
yes you can. they'd only charge rm10.

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please note that the grace period back then was only for animals without proper documentation.

permit application for animals that come with receipt and cites paper could always be done.
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QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Jul 29 2010, 08:53 AM)
If your address in KL...yes permit out.
If you only declared Cites 2 tortoise...yes permit out.

To make sure your name on it call 0390866911


Added on July 29, 2010, 9:07 amPerhilitan won't just simply think you trader...But If you keep more than 10, they keep on eye on your collection.

Permit not mean for sale, buy to make sure they have record how many they sensus and people keep cites tortoise in Malaysia.

It doesn't matter you can keep them forever, but you just can't sale them ever.


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The best way to love this Creature is go and visit where they are....Enjoy the pictures..!
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omg sooooo cute....i wish mine were dat big......
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Aug 9 2010, 09:41 PM)
Thanks..i dunno,maybe can give them a call and ask for that.. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on August 9, 2010, 9:44 pm
yeah..wahahaha...wait for yours..i hope radiata also can get that permission..what about other members?sure many got the permission already..especially the one with good husbandry.. notworthy.gif
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man how you know youre approved ? they call you ?
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QUOTE(slackerz @ Aug 9 2010, 10:31 PM)
mane tau bro..i think u must be the first one got that..because they scare of you..hahaha
they sent me the letter..first cover letter,2nd Surat Kebenaran Khas for me to keep and then lampiran 1..sign by Misliah Mohamad Basir,Timbalan Ketua Pengarah 1,b/p Ketua Pengarah Perhilitan..thats all..my scanner not working rite now,if not,i can scan and show the letter..sorry.. notworthy.gif
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hopefully i get the letter 2.... nod.gif
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Aug 12 2010, 05:41 PM)
mata mata is not cites-listed lah  doh.gif ..  budblely must've been too eager and didn't check cites status before making application.

p/s : budblely, did you apply permission for your RES too? cause if you had, they're not going to approve it and you're facing 100k fine...  laugh.gif laugh.gif  laugh.gif  just kidding.
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i still see pudu market selling res like no tomolo...
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Aug 20 2010, 01:28 PM)
For now I am guessing Asian leaf , C.dentata
A picture of it's underside will confirm !!
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as usual expert in da house.....
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Sep 26 2010, 01:03 PM)
since it looks like your friend who had been keeping it for quite some time had no knowledge on the species and its diet, i guessed that he also has no knowledge abouts its legal status eh?  wink.gif
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talking about legality i still havent get my license yet...sigh...no response ...
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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Sep 26 2010, 07:28 PM)
haven't you heard? perhilitan HQ got raided by MACC last tuesday, documents and laptops got hauled. most probably our application forms are also affected  wink.gif
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dis will complicate things further...sigh...

QUOTE(Blutangskink @ Sep 26 2010, 10:49 PM)
That is sad...the end of the day...they also human..bad one.
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well they issue permit for keepers aka pet lovers ? i dun see anything wrong wit dat...
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hellow guys after soooo many months finally i gotten my license....proud owner of Podocnemis unifilis n kachuga tentoria .. smile.gif

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