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post Jun 25 2008, 10:39 AM, updated 17y ago

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This thread is meant for

*Strictly on serious talk regarding ACCA/CAT tuition providers
*comment on lecturers
*exam/study tips

please do not spam here ya...

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1) Previous thread to refer: ACCA
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=116302&st=2600

2) Toughest ACCA Paper, Vote For The Most Challenging ACCA Paper
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...9&#entry9571649

3) ACCA Textbook,Revision Kits and Passcards by FTMS
http://my.ftmsglobal.com/downloads_enrolme...alOrderForm.pdf

4) Coolly's personally opinion on paper 3.5 and 3.7 in FTMS ( newly added )
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/379762/+340# (Post 359)

1) ACCA Official Website:
http://www.accaglobal.com
2) ACCA 2007 New Syllabus Info
http://www.accaglobal.com/horizon/

3) Lowyat ACCA/CAT's chat
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=362089

4) Lowyat Auditor Yam Cha Section
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=331577

5) FTMS Website
http://my.accaglobal.com

6) Orange International College (formerly McOrange) (OIC or McO)
http://www.oic.edu.my/professional.html#acca

7) Kasturi Website
http://www.ksacitycampus.com/

8) Global tuition providers
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...tion/providers/

9) Approved textbook publishers
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/publications/publishers

10) PAAC Home Study Programme(newly added)
http://www.paac.edu.my/Home%20Study%20Plan...d%20061206).pdf

11) Kolej Bandar Website
http://www.calow.biz/

thumbup.gif Recommended Lecturers thumbup.gif

Understand there are many people looking for part time course to pass their acca soonest possible and the followings are a few lectures recommended by people who had passed thier ACCA paper

The following recommended lecturers are based on individual's personal opinion...please use it at your own risk... laugh.gif

Note:The number shown in () refers to the relevant old syllabus paper.

Fundamentals Level - Knowledge module (F1-F3)

F1 Accountant in Business AB(1.3)
Chang Shew Leng (KSA)

F2 Management Accounting MA(1.2)
Low Chin Ann (KB)

F3 Financial Accounting FA(1.1)
Yap Kok Wah (KB)
Goh Wern Yit (KSA)

Fundamentals Level - Skills module (F4-F9)

F4 Corporate and Business Law CL(2.2)
Viknes (KSA)

F5 Performance Management PM(N/A)
Chow Kim Tai (McO/OIC)
Andrew Pang (KSA)

F6 Taxation TX (2.3)
Alan Yeo (KSA)
Low Chin Ann (KB)
Wong Paik Wan (McO)
Siva Nair (FTMS)
Choong Kwai Fatt (Segi) (Revision class only)

F7 Financial Reporting FR(2.5)
Haneef (McO)
Ms Menon (Sunway)
Joe Fang (KSA)

F8 Audit and Assurance AA(2.6)
Sheila (McO)
Philip Woo (KSA)
Low Chin Ann (KB)
Fung Chee Kong (FTMS) ( RI Only )

F9 Financial Management FM(2.4)
Daniel Ho (FTMS)
Andrew Pang (KSA)
Steve Lumby (McO) *RI only

Professional Level - Essentials (P1-P3)

P1 Professional Accountant(N/A)
Sheila (McO)
Philip Woo (KSA)

P2 Corporate Reporting CR(3.6)
Haneef (McO)
Ms Menon (Sunway)
Joe Fang (KSA)

P3 Business Analysis BA(3.5)
Michael (McO - Revision only))
Parminder (KSA)
Wong Siew Choo (FTMS)
Martin (FTMS) *RI only

Professional Level - Options (P4-P7)

P4 Advanced Financial Management AFM(3.7)
Daniel Ho (FTMS) *august07 intake only
Andrew Pang (KSA)
Mr Chan (OIC)

P5 Advanced Performance Management APM(3.3)
Andrew Pang (KSA)
Chow Kim Tai (OIC)

P6 Advanced Taxation ATX(3.2)
Chow Chee Yan (McO)

P7 Advanced Audit and Assurance AAA(3.1)
Fung Chee Kong (FTMS)
Jackson (KSA)


icon_rolleyes.gif Quick Link for ACCA Past Year Papers icon_rolleyes.gif

Guide:

1) Click on the following link and then click on the paper u want to find...
2) Under the paper link,click Past Exam Papers
3) Please choose the variant you want
4) Then you can get the relevant past year papers for your reference.

~~ Part 1 ~~
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...l_scheme/part1/

~~ Part 2 ~~
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...l_scheme/part2/

~~ Part 3 ~~
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...l_scheme/part3/

This post has been edited by ThanatosSwiftfire: Jun 26 2008, 10:54 AM
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oops..there's 2 V4s
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no, it's only 1 V4 now. smile.gif
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hi, kelvin lee here. nice to meet you all.
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post Jun 25 2008, 10:54 AM

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hahahahah XD soli soli
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we r in v4 now...time 2 look 4ward...stop all the derogatory comments...l
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Which Paper in Fundamental level of ACCA (F4 - F9) are not necessary to attend class...means which 1 can self-study?
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post Jun 25 2008, 10:59 AM

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Yeah. Hope can discuss new thing in V4
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QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 10:58 AM)
Which Paper in Fundamental level of ACCA (F4 - F9) are not necessary to attend class...means which 1 can self-study?
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Probably law and audit,if you're confident enough

Thanatos,don't want ACCA wife? Lol (referrin to previous thread)
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hahahahhaha i try not to. wouldn't the thought of having the money you make subject to the financing decisions of your wife scare u?
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QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 10:58 AM)
Which Paper in Fundamental level of ACCA (F4 - F9) are not necessary to attend class...means which 1 can self-study?
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F4, law. I think this paper can pass if you self study rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Jun 25 2008, 11:08 AM)
F4, law. I think this paper can pass if you self study  rclxms.gif
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how bout other subject? is it possible to self-study for other paper using BPP book?
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basically, all ACCA papers can self study, it's all depending on how individual got confidence and able to learnt things without any guides.
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post Jun 25 2008, 11:21 AM

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ACCA release their exam timetable for Dec 08??? Want to plan taking wat subject
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post Jun 25 2008, 11:25 AM

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Kay heres a scenario...Say for the last year of my ACCA papers, i go over to Australia to do them and work there for 3-4 years...Once thats over and i come back to Malaysia to work, would the experience i gained overseas give me if a bigger advantage than if i had worked here the entire time in terms of pay and job promotion?
Im just finished the first sem of my CAT btw.
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QUOTE(owenwong84 @ Jun 25 2008, 11:21 AM)
ACCA release their exam timetable for Dec 08??? Want to plan taking wat subject
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isn't it ACCA exam timetable the same for every exam cycle?
1st week JUNE/Dec for sure MOnday ...taxation....n it flows as normal
correct me if i'm wrong
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QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 11:14 AM)
how bout other subject? is it possible to self-study for other paper using BPP book?
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it depend on the personal.
some people are smart, they can self study for all subject.


Added on June 25, 2008, 11:31 am
QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 11:26 AM)
isn't it ACCA exam timetable the same for every exam cycle?
1st week JUNE/Dec for sure MOnday ...taxation....n it flows as normal
correct me if i'm wrong
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you are right. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Jun 25 2008, 11:30 AM)
it depend on the personal.
some people are smart, they can self study for all subject.
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i'm not saying i'm smart or sumting
i'm just hard-working...n i enjoy studying ACCA BPP study-text

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Congratulation for the born of V4 thread! Good morning everyone smile.gif
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QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 11:33 AM)
i'm not saying i'm smart or sumting
i'm just hard-working...n i enjoy studying ACCA BPP study-text
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you can try to self study since you are hardworking. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 11:33 AM)
i'm not saying i'm smart or sumting
i'm just hard-working...n i enjoy studying ACCA BPP study-text
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At the lower level paper, you still can self study. But when come to more difficult paper like F8, F9 and above, I advise you better go to attend class, cos the application question will start from this type of paper, you will feel that study and exam will be difference story. So you must have exam technique to pass this paper.

Another advantage you go for class was the experience lecturer will told you what the examiner actually want for that paper. To pass the ACCA paper, understand the examiner requirement is very important. This is very difficult to get when you just go for self study.

May be you try to self study 1st and if feel difficult then go for class lo!
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 25 2008, 12:23 PM)
At the lower level paper, you still can self study. But when come to more difficult paper like F8, F9 and above, I advise you better go to attend class, cos the application question will start from this type of paper, you will feel that study and exam will be difference story. So you must have exam technique to pass this paper.

Another advantage you go for class was the experience lecturer will told you what the examiner actually want for that paper. To pass the ACCA paper, understand the examiner requirement is very important. This is very difficult to get when you just go for self study.

May be you try to self study 1st and if feel difficult then go for class lo!
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thnx for the advice
well i think i gonna self-study for F4 n F5......n go class for F6....to take the exam in Dec

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ACCA BPP study-text
ya,that is the book i saw at popular.But it is a little expensive rm214 per book.Is it just enough using that book only to pass the exam?Beside where u take the exam?
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QUOTE(nite3 @ Jun 25 2008, 01:20 PM)
ACCA BPP study-text
ya,that is the book i saw at popular.But it is a little expensive rm214 per book.Is it just enough using that book only to pass the exam?Beside where u take the exam?
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Actually is depend on the person. For me, I can't just study text book w/o lecturer guide, cos text book just give me the theory and ACCA exam is very practical.

For some of the person very smart where they can study text book by hard and know how to do application.

But since your spend so much money to buy text book, why not go to attend class. In the class, experience lecturer will prepare for you the study notes, practice question to show you the exam technique and tell you what the examiner requirement.


Added on June 25, 2008, 1:37 pm
QUOTE(jonwei @ Jun 25 2008, 12:40 PM)
thnx for the advice
well i think i gonna self-study for F4 n F5......n go class for F6....to take the exam in Dec
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Ha Ha, you are welcome.

For your information, there is no official text book for F4(M). If you want to self study, may be you need borrow the Vikness notes from your friend to study and at the same time study Past year question by hard.

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Any recommend lecturer for p6 since chow chee yen and chong kwait fatt not conduct this paper for this july intake.Help Help
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link 2 and 3 is not working,pls help fix it.

and

link 2,4,5,6,8,9,10 are aso broken,more den 50% of the link is broken/outdated....dun keep copy...do sum update n checking as well....*Peace*
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coz i m at banting,if travel to kl need about 2 hours then have a 3 hours lesson come back use another 2 hours.spend so much time n bus fares.
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QUOTE(nite3 @ Jun 25 2008, 08:19 PM)
coz i m at banting,if travel to kl need about 2 hours then have a 3 hours lesson come back use another 2 hours.spend so much time n bus fares.
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Rent a room in KL/Selangor near public transport. I will do that. If you worry it gonna cost a lot you can find a part time job over the weekend or any day you are not having class. But make sure you are committed to your study la. Later malas study mau kerja saje. Haha
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QUOTE(King_sToN @ Jun 25 2008, 06:45 PM)
Any recommend lecturer for p6 since chow chee yen and chong kwait fatt not conduct this paper for this july intake.Help Help
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Try Alan Yeow or Siva Nair at KSA, both oso experience lecturer.
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must inform coolly for this new thread, anyway wishing ACCA V4 all the best cheers.gif
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QUOTE(nite3 @ Jun 25 2008, 01:20 PM)
ACCA BPP study-text
ya,that is the book i saw at popular.But it is a little expensive rm214 per book.Is it just enough using that book only to pass the exam?Beside where u take the exam?
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BPP study-text r expensive in POPULAR store 1........if buy from colleges very cheap only...around rm80 per paper

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QUOTE(King_sToN @ Jun 25 2008, 06:45 PM)
Any recommend lecturer for p6 since chow chee yen and chong kwait fatt not conduct this paper for this july intake.Help Help
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Low Chin Ann..Kolej Bandar.
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Low Chin Ann..Kolej Bandar.
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yup...
agreed with u...
he is not bad 1...
gd luck!!
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QUOTE(b3llad0nna @ Jun 25 2008, 11:47 PM)
Low Chin Ann..Kolej Bandar.
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second that. attend his F8 lastime very good. not sure bout his P6 but since there's not much choices here, u could give him a try. nod.gif

btw, congrats to ACCA v4!!! let's keep this thread less arguments, informative n useful to all. thumbup.gif notworthy.gif
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LOL XD updated except the broken links
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Something I want to ask the Sunway students:
You know we have to pay the annual fees to the college (including library and computer lab fees) and I believe we paid a deposit for this as well (please confirm this with me).Is it true that we can claim these payments back from the college after we complete the course?I'm growing more disinterested in studying at Sunway due to the expensive fees, student-unfriendly policy to deferment, very long hours, parking etc.

I'm torn between taking P7 at Sunway and KSA.Sunway mainly to pay the annual fee to keep my membership active and Mr. Goh is an ok lecturer (though his lectures tend to make me sleepy).
KSA because Jackson seems to be good at this and I get the option to only pay for the sessions up to the week the results are out.

The dilemma is that I'm worried for my results for the last sitting, if I didn't do well I'll have to defer P7 to the next sitting to avoid taking 4 papers.At Sunway I'll have to pay the whole RM1000+ upfront and if I can't take it this sem after the results the whole payment is sunk and the most I can get is 50% off for next sitting.And after this paper I'll probably not take anything at Sunway anymore.So if I'm not continuing at Sunway anymore do I have to officially apply to the college or just not do anything?
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No idea bout the deposit. I think given your situation, it's best to go KSA though.
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QUOTE(Blackhart @ Jun 26 2008, 11:18 AM)
Something I want to ask the Sunway students:
You know we have to pay the annual fees to the college (including library and computer lab fees) and I believe we paid a deposit for this as well (please confirm this with me).Is it true that we can claim these payments back from the college after we complete the course?I'm growing more disinterested in studying at Sunway due to the expensive fees, student-unfriendly policy to deferment, very long hours, parking etc.

I'm torn between taking P7 at Sunway and KSA.Sunway mainly to pay the annual fee to keep my membership active and Mr. Goh is an ok lecturer (though his lectures tend to make me sleepy).
KSA because Jackson seems to be good at this and I get the option to only pay for the sessions up to the week the results are out.

The dilemma is that I'm worried for my results for the last sitting, if I didn't do well I'll have to defer P7 to the next sitting to avoid taking 4 papers.At Sunway I'll have to pay the whole RM1000+ upfront and if I can't take it this sem after the results the whole payment is sunk and the most I can get is 50% off for next sitting.And after this paper I'll probably not take anything at Sunway anymore.So if I'm not continuing at Sunway anymore do I have to officially apply to the college or just not do anything?
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I think you need to think careful if you plan to take Jackson class in KSA. I'm not sure is true or not, but as I know some student complaint to KSA admin about Jackson teaching method, but not sure for which paper.

Currently in the market, the best audit lecturer are Philip Woo and Sheila. Unlucky both oso didn't run normal class for P7, but Sheila will conduct IRC in Mc Orange.

May be you try Fung Chee Kang in FTMS(if he run the normal class) and go for Revision class for Sheila in Mc Orange.

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Thanks for the advice guys.I'm more inclined to go to KSA as it is the next most convenient place to go from my home via KTM.I'll take the first term course and see how it goes.Another thing, for P3 that I have never attempted I'm planning to mainly rely on the Michael Mainwaring revision course.That means I won't be attending normal classes, I did attend the P3 course till halfway from Sunway before though so I have the notes.I have friends who say they just depended on what they learn from that revision course to pass.Do you think its too dangerous to go on with this plan?
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can sum1 help me to buy the f1-f3 text books n the revision books frm the colleges.For the acca part 1,the 50 question are selected frm a to d,rite?

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Thanks for the advice guys.I'm more inclined to go to KSA as it is the next most convenient place to go from my home via KTM.I'll take the first term course and see how it goes.Another thing, for P3 that I have never attempted I'm planning to mainly rely on the Michael Mainwaring revision course.That means I won't be attending normal classes, I did attend the P3 course till halfway from Sunway before though so I have the notes.I have friends who say they just depended on what they learn from that revision course to pass.Do you think its too dangerous to go on with this plan?
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Actually the risk will be very high if you just depend on the revision course materials for the exam. You must understand the syllabus for P3 was very wide, it is 3.4 + 3.5 + some area from 1.3 & 2.1. You need to take more time to study, cos a lot of business model you need to understand.

Since you plan to go to KSA, why not joint Parmindar P3 class? He is very good in teaching business model and IT/IS topic in P3.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 26 2008, 01:39 PM)
Actually the risk will be very high if you just depend on the revision course materials for the exam. You must understand the syllabus for P3 was very wide, it is 3.4 + 3.5 + some area from 1.3 & 2.1. You need to take more time to study, cos a lot of business model you need to understand.

Since you plan to go to KSA, why not joint Parmindar P3 class? He is very good in teaching business model and IT/IS topic in P3.
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Perhaps you're right.However I don't think I'll want to go for 2 revision courses for the same paper especially since I hear Mainwaring's sessions will be for 6 days.I'll also give this a try and see how it goes.Thanks smile.gif
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hey all, i would like to seek some suggestions about f7 lecturers in KL. which lecturer in KL is good in delivering f7? as i heard this coming sitting f7 has alot of new stuff. i have no idea which lecturer is good in this paper. i'm contemplating between keith farmer and joe fang from ksa. anyone been under them before? hope someone can help in clarifying my doubts. many thanks in advance. smile.gif

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QUOTE(eternalflame @ Jun 26 2008, 06:02 PM)
hey all, i would like to seek some suggestions about f7 lecturers in KL. which lecturer in KL is good in delivering f7? as i heard this coming sitting f7 has alot of new stuff. i have no idea which lecturer is good in this paper. i'm contemplating between keith farmer and joe fang from ksa. anyone been under them before? hope someone can help in clarifying my doubts. many thanks in advance. smile.gif
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Keith farmer is conducting almost half his class in VIDEO shocking.gif which will not be recommended to students who really needs lecturer exposure.
Other than that he is considered a brilliant lecturer who can balanced in calculation & IFRS. He is considered the most experienced here.

Joe Fang can teach you good calculation techniques but lacking in the IAS / IFRS part which will become very important in P2. If you are considering to follow the same lecturer for P2, his techniques will not be that paramount anymore. sweat.gif

Other considerations:
Menon (sunway), considered the most popular among students but the fees are pricey , lots of students (overcrowded) & probably always come late. doh.gif

Haneef (MCO) , deemed the best lecturer to explain the background, idea and apllication of IFRS, standard calculation (which means slower but precise). However certain students felt he was rather boring (bland jokes) & fees are not economical. whistling.gif

Yap Kok Wah (KB) , i heard from his ex-students that his technique was undisputed + low fees. However , he tends to talk too fast and his handwriting was considered "cakar ayam" by comparison to other lecturer. rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 26 2008, 11:59 AM)
I think you need to think careful if you plan to take Jackson class in KSA. I'm not sure is true or not, but as I know some student complaint to KSA admin about Jackson teaching method, but not sure for which paper.

Currently in the market, the best audit lecturer are Philip Woo and Sheila. Unlucky both oso didn't run normal class for P7, but Sheila will conduct IRC in Mc Orange.

May be you try Fung Chee Kang in FTMS(if he run the normal class) and go for Revision class for Sheila in Mc Orange.
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go for T.seelan for P7 at PAAC..the only lecturer considered good or should i say remaining focus audit expertise lecturer..for normal class..
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Keith farmer is conducting almost half his class in VIDEO  shocking.gif  which will not be recommended to students who really needs lecturer exposure.
Other than that he is considered a brilliant lecturer who can balanced in calculation & IFRS. He is considered the most experienced here.

Joe Fang can teach you good calculation techniques but lacking in the IAS / IFRS part which will become very important in P2. If you are considering to follow the same lecturer for P2, his techniques will not be that paramount anymore. sweat.gif

Other considerations:
Menon (sunway), considered the most popular among students but the fees are pricey , lots of students (overcrowded) & probably always come late. doh.gif

Haneef (MCO) , deemed the best lecturer to explain the background, idea and apllication of IFRS, standard calculation (which means slower but precise). However certain students felt he was rather boring (bland jokes) & fees are not economical. whistling.gif

Yap Kok Wah (KB) , i heard from his ex-students that his technique was undisputed + low fees. However , he tends to talk too fast and his handwriting was considered "cakar ayam" by comparison to other lecturer. rclxub.gif
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Keith Farmer - most balanced in calculation and FRS, but need to stand by to tahan his slang.

Joe Fang - Good calculation technique, FRS just so so only.

Haneef - Good in FRS, but calculation very slow, boring.

Yap Kok Wah - Only good in calculation.
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thanks for the advices. i feel like going for keith farmer but i really dislike the idea of him conducting his class in video. i don't think it's effective for teaching that way. i thought of taking f7 part-time in sunway. anyone overhere take f7 part-time in sunway? smile.gif

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Something I want to ask the Sunway students:
You know we have to pay the annual fees to the college (including library and computer lab fees) and I believe we paid a deposit for this as well (please confirm this with me).Is it true that we can claim these payments back from the college after we complete the course?I'm growing more disinterested in studying at Sunway due to the expensive fees, student-unfriendly policy to deferment, very long hours, parking etc.

I'm torn between taking P7 at Sunway and KSA.Sunway mainly to pay the annual fee to keep my membership active and Mr. Goh is an ok lecturer (though his lectures tend to make me sleepy).
KSA because Jackson seems to be good at this and I get the option to only pay for the sessions up to the week the results are out.

The dilemma is that I'm worried for my results for the last sitting, if I didn't do well I'll have to defer P7 to the next sitting to avoid taking 4 papers.At Sunway I'll have to pay the whole RM1000+ upfront and if I can't take it this sem after the results the whole payment is sunk and the most I can get is 50% off for next sitting.And after this paper I'll probably not take anything at Sunway anymore.So if I'm not continuing at Sunway anymore do I have to officially apply to the college or just not do anything?
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ok 1st u have to check when is the last date or month you registered as SUNWAY COLLEGE student. example if your last payment to SUNWAY COLLEGE is January 20th 2008 then you are an ACTIVE student in SUNWAY COLLEGE for two semester=1 year. Then, you still eligible for the REFUND(DEPOSIT for the LIBRARY) however if your last payment to SUNWAY COLLEGE is January 15th 2007 then forget it you might not get to REFUND of LIBRARY DEPOSIT.

the most effective way is call up SUNWAY COLLEGE extension FINANCE DEPARTMENT and tell them your name or IC number and then ask them check your availability of REFUND.

after getting confirmation go to ACCA office ground floor, get the WITHDRAWAL FORM from the clerk there and fill in your particular and then get Miss E (u know who i mean) to sign/acknowledge the form. then you have to wait for about one month to get the refund of library fee. about your outstanding fee, just ask Miss E what happen to those money. anything call up FINANCE DEPARTMENT to confirm.

hope my explanation help icon_question.gif

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thanks for the advices. i feel like going for keith farmer but i really dislike the idea of him conducting his class in video. i don't think it's effective for teaching that way. i thought of taking f7 part-time in sunway. anyone overhere take f7 part-time in sunway? smile.gif
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I think you make some mistake here.

Actually video class is just additional class for student (normally is to revise the topic teaching earlier) and he still will conduct the normal lecturer class as mentioned in the time table. Means that you still will see him teaching like normal lecturer for the normal class, so no need to worry about this thing.

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QUOTE(eternalflame @ Jun 26 2008, 09:34 PM)
thanks for the advices. i feel like going for keith farmer but i really dislike the idea of him conducting his class in video. i don't think it's effective for teaching that way. i thought of taking f7 part-time in sunway. anyone overhere take f7 part-time in sunway? smile.gif
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Actually, it doesn't really matter who you selected for F7 as the questions prepared are pretty standard (practice + memorisation) not like F8 and F9 and P papers which requires more application and analytical skill. However it is recommended to pick a lecturer which you will follow for P2 (as different lecturer has different technique & skill) especially P2 is a core paper.
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Kay heres a scenario...Say for the last year of my ACCA papers, i go over to Australia to do them and work there for 3-4 years...Once thats over and i come back to Malaysia to work, would the experience i gained overseas give me if a bigger advantage than if i had worked here the entire time in terms of pay and job promotion?
Im just finished the first sem of my CAT btw.
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you can continue ur ACCA studies in Australia as ACCA is worldwide.

this june, my friend took his exam in Beijing.

career oppoturnity, definately oversea is much better than msia. most of the people wont come back to malaysia once they managed to get a decent join in oversea.

unless the company you working is have a subsi in Msia, they send u back to msia in charge, be part of the management team. tht's another story

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ok 1st u have to check when is the last date or month you registered as SUNWAY COLLEGE student. example if your last payment to SUNWAY COLLEGE is January 20th 2008 then you are an ACTIVE student in SUNWAY COLLEGE for two semester=1 year. Then, you still eligible for the REFUND(DEPOSIT for the LIBRARY) however if your last payment to SUNWAY COLLEGE is January 15th 2007 then forget it you might not get to REFUND of LIBRARY DEPOSIT.

the most effective way is call up SUNWAY COLLEGE extension FINANCE DEPARTMENT and tell them your name or IC number and then ask them check your availability of REFUND.

after getting confirmation go to ACCA office ground floor, get the WITHDRAWAL FORM from the clerk there and fill in your particular and then get Miss E (u know who i mean) to sign/acknowledge the form. then you have to wait for about one month to get the refund of library fee. about your outstanding fee, just ask Miss E what happen to those money. anything call up FINANCE DEPARTMENT to confirm.

hope my explanation help  icon_question.gif

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Thank you so much for the explanation, the last payment I made was indeed for January 2007.So it is unlikely for me to get back my deposit unless I pay for this year's annual fees, which is silly if I'm not planning to come back anymore and it costs more than the deposit.The library deposit is about over RM100 isn't it?Quite a troublesome process, I'll find time to contact the Finance department.Thank you again smile.gif
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i just want to know is there any condition that we must left only 3 papers in f level then only can take for P2, or there were no such condition
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i just want to know is there any condition that we must left only 3 papers in f level then only can take for P2, or there were no such condition
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Yes, you must left not more than or max 3 paper in f level, then only can take P1-P3. One more condition was if you didn't pass F7, then you can't take P2. But why you want to take P2 1st? Do you know that P2 is a most difficult? If I'm you still in f level, even can take some paper in Prof level, but I also won't go for P2 1st.

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Yes, you must left not more than or max 3 paper in f level, then only can take P1-P3. One more condition was if you didn't pass F7, then you can't take P2. But why you want to take P2 1st? Do you know that P2 is a most difficult? If I'm you still in f level, even can take some paper in Prof level, but I also won't go for P2 1st.
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now i am just deciding whether to attend p1 if cannot sit for the exam then is a waste going for the class. result not out yet, school going to open, dont know how to make the decision....
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now i am just deciding whether to attend p1 if cannot sit for the exam then is a waste going for the class. result not out yet, school going to open, dont know how to make the decision....
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How many paper you left? If just 3 (including the paper just sit in June 08) , then take P1 should be no problem.

However, you can just signed up for 1st term course and after result out, then baru consider want to continue or not lo.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Still no 1 is going to ACCA Career fair tomolo?
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i might be going......r u going?


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QUOTE(nite3 @ Jun 26 2008, 01:30 PM)
can sum1 help me to buy the f1-f3 text books n the revision books frm the colleges.For the acca part 1,the 50 question are selected frm a to d,rite?
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yup..i might be able to help....but i also not sure how much my college sell
but u hav to come to kl to collect...possibly kepong
(pm me if u want)

for CBE, some r ABCD, some insert number, some choose a few ans....tougher than paper-based
but for paper based, all ABCD
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ive just registered at sunway this morning....
im doing part time n taking P1 and P3 in this semester...

since most of P2 classes will be on Thursday
and im planning to work at the same time.... so i dun want to rush from work to attend the class....
so i didnt register for this paper...


What do you guys think? is it wise?
if i didnt take P2 now... can i take all 3 papers (P2 and the other 2 elective papers) in next semester ( for June exam)

and i noticed the classes for P2 will be on Thurs n Sat...
is this paper tough?? coz two days of classes?
P1 and P3 both on Sun....

Btw anybody taking P1 n P3 part time?
Im still blur2...
The admission said i should come on 5July for orientation..
but Financial Course Division said that i dun haf to attend that one... since my class will start on Sun (6jul)

What do u haf n do during the orientation?

Btw, they said i can dl the timetable at sunway.edu.my
mine is ACCA-EM-PT right?? and how to know where is the venue for the class ya?
tried to call the office.. but no answer...
scared i dl the wrong TimeTable >_<

hope someone can help
thanks alot^^

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Event: ACCA Careers 2008
Date: 28 June 2008
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i might be going......r u going?


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yup..i might be able to help....but i also not sure how much my college sell
but u hav to come to kl to collect...possibly kepong
(pm me if u want)

for CBE, some r ABCD, some insert number, some choose a few ans....tougher than paper-based
but for paper based, all ABCD
(correct me if i'm wrong)
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I am in dilemma now. Previously I visited to Sunway and I been told that for those who fail in CAT cannot proceed to ACCA Part 2(Well, all of us aware of this rule). But problem occured as Sunway required its CAT students to take T8 which is an audit paper instead of the one I had studied that is T10 Financial Management. ACCA students always claimed that audit is the toughest paper. I worry if I really fail(touch wood!), my 30% ACCA tuition fees have to be forfeited and the rest defer to next semester. Money is not a big matter since it is not a big amount. But how about I fail this time, and I do the audit paper(is compulsory to all malaysian students, this is the rule set by Sunway) then I fail again? This will definitely diminishing my confidence and determination to further anymore. As this is the case I saw many times, many students suffer from this before.

My next option would be to study at Singapore since I'll be seeking my career in the later days at Singapore. But the application of student pass is troublesome and it takes time. Furthermore the course commenced on July. I'm think of whether I should really take a break for half year or find a half year job at Singapore perhaps?

Any suggestion from you guys?
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You can take T10 in Sunway actually. But this will take some effort. I have classmates switching from T8 to T10 after the first few weeks. It certainly raised their chances of passing CAT.

On the other hand I also know some who continue with T8 and failed. They are now taking T10 but 6 months wasted. Basically T8 is an OPTION, you can choose not to take it.

It just might take some effort of explaining to them why you don't want to take audit.
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You can take T10 in Sunway actually. But this will take some effort. I have classmates switching from T8 to T10 after the first few weeks. It certainly raised their chances of passing CAT.

On the other hand I also know some who continue with T8 and failed. They are now taking T10 but 6 months wasted. Basically T8 is an OPTION, you can choose not to take it.

It just might take some effort of explaining to them why you don't want to take audit.
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Thank you for telling me so. They told me for Malaysian students, it is compulsory to take T8, while T10 only if you're China students.
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QUOTE(jactval @ Jun 28 2008, 01:13 PM)
I am in dilemma now. Previously I visited to Sunway and I been told that for those who fail in CAT cannot proceed to ACCA Part 2(Well, all of us aware of this rule). But problem occured as Sunway required its CAT students to take T8 which is an audit paper instead of the one I had studied that is T10 Financial Management. ACCA students always claimed that audit is the toughest paper. I worry if I really fail(touch wood!), my 30% ACCA tuition fees have to be forfeited and the rest defer to next semester. Money is not a big matter since it is not a big amount. But how about I fail this time, and I do the audit paper(is compulsory to all malaysian students, this is the rule set by Sunway) then I fail again? This will definitely diminishing my confidence and determination to further anymore. As this is the case I saw many times, many students suffer from this before.

My next option would be to study at Singapore since I'll be seeking my career in the later days at Singapore. But the application of student pass is troublesome and it takes time. Furthermore the course commenced on July. I'm think of whether I should really take a break for half year or find a half year job at Singapore perhaps?

Any suggestion from you guys?
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don't worry too much.
t8 seems to be the toughest paper in CAT. However, Sunway has a very good passing rate of T8. 80%++..


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Thank you for telling me so. They told me for Malaysian students, it is compulsory to take T8, while T10 only if you're China students.
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in sunway, its not compulsory to do t8.(it only seems to be like tat). when you register for exam, you can take up t10.
sunway has no control over which ppr ur taking. i assume, there are only 2 intentions for them to encourage ppl to tk t8 :
1. as there are few colleges doing t8, the chances of getting prize ( 100%) will be from sunway.
2. to provide a good foundation for students, prepare them for advanced level as the knowledge for this ppr is almost the same wf f8. (60-70 % same)


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QUOTE(Michi @ Jun 27 2008, 04:59 PM)
ive just registered at sunway this morning....
im doing part time n taking P1 and P3 in this semester...

since most of P2 classes will be on Thursday
and im planning to work at the same time.... so i dun want to rush from work to attend the class....
so i didnt register for this paper...
What do you guys think? is it wise?
if i didnt take P2 now... can i take all 3 papers (P2 and the other 2 elective papers) in next semester ( for June exam)

and i noticed the classes for P2 will be on Thurs n Sat...
is this paper tough?? coz two days of classes?
P1 and P3 both on Sun....

Btw anybody taking P1 n P3 part time?
Im still blur2...
The admission said i should come on 5July for orientation..
but Financial Course Division said that i dun haf to attend that one... since my class will start on Sun (6jul)

What do u haf n do during the orientation?

Btw, they said i can dl the timetable at sunway.edu.my
mine is ACCA-EM-PT right??  and how to know where is the venue for the class ya?
tried to call the office.. but no answer...
scared i dl the wrong TimeTable >_<

hope someone can help
thanks alot^^
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when you have your 1st lesson, you may proceed to the TES office there...
just outside the office, there is a notice board. normally the venues wil be stated there.

mine is ACCA-EM-PT right?? ...yaya..you are correct...

The admission said i should come on 5July for orientation....i think you dont need to go for the orientation as you are a part time student, and there is nothing in the orientation that benefits you, except getting to know few full time friends. normally, in the orientation, sunway will be giving brief introduction about their facilities, staff, lecturers, some rules, etc.

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just back from acca career fair,not too bad,roughly same as last year and got many big companies also..

and i am able to meet up with vin ann also..keke..who else going?

now we have v4,really great news,hope this forum become a peaceful discussion channel,but not a fighting place..
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just back from acca career fair,not too bad,roughly same as last year and got many big companies also..

and i am able to meet up with vin ann also..keke..who else going?

now we have v4,really great news,hope this forum become a peaceful discussion channel,but not a fighting place..
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just back? thuoght the fair ended at 5.00pm?

i back around 3.30pm. hungry and exhausted. no time for lunch. anyways, this is my 1st time visiting to ACCA Career fair, it's really good. how come previously i never bother to attend. cry.gif i shd have attended last year.
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i went for the fair too....1st time to ACCA Career Fair
wel...just to gather some info of wat employers expectation r
will go again next year.
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you shd join the Career talks... it's very useful..
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QUOTE(coolly @ Jun 28 2008, 09:45 PM)
just back from acca career fair,not too bad,roughly same as last year and got many big companies also..

and i am able to meet up with vin ann also..keke..who else going?

now we have v4,really great news,hope this forum become a peaceful discussion channel,but not a fighting place..
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y never tell u were there? should have met u there...which booth were u?

this was my first time going to ACCA career fair too. it was pretty useful i would say. the BDO Binder career talk was interesting. managed to talk with OCBC deputy CEO Mr. Jeffery Chew just before i left rclxm9.gif he is a very nice and friendly person and managed to give good advices too thumbup.gif

i think i will join finance instead of audit coz that's my interest nod.gif but i've dropped the resume for audit position in the career fair...how ar? is it fine for fresh grad to go to advisory without audit background? advice plz guys..... icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Jun 29 2008, 12:01 AM)
y never tell u were there? should have met u there...which booth were u?

this was my first time going to ACCA career fair too. it was pretty useful i would say. the BDO Binder career talk was interesting. managed to talk with OCBC deputy CEO Mr. Jeffery Chew just before i left rclxm9.gif he is a very nice and friendly person and managed to give good advices too  thumbup.gif

i think i will join finance instead of audit coz that's my interest nod.gif but i've dropped the resume for audit position in the career fair...how ar? is it fine for fresh grad to go to advisory without audit background? advice plz guys..... icon_question.gif
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aiskk.. i missed the BDO Binder career talk ady.. damn regret for not attending the career talk..
wat's so interesting? mind to share with us? rclxms.gif
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is the acca career fair really crowded???
and any thing to share with us blush.gif

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Hi. Currently, I have a short interest on accounting. Just wondering, what does ACCA students do throughout the whole year? 6 hours of studying in the lecture hall? Practical works? And what things you guys have gone through?
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Career talk is what ah? Is it companies will conduct something like "seminar" and explain what they want to see from graduates or u have to walk to them to talk with them personally?
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career talk?? need to pay for it??
i read the magazine of ACCA need to pay hundred plus for ???
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No need pay for the career fair,actually it is like a career fair organise by jobstreet etc,just this is the one organise by the ACCA and more specific to financial area of career..

one more news,Dr. Choong Kwai Fatt might conduct revision class for tax paper this coming sitting,so for those who intended to take tax papers,please take note lo...
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anyone knows any changes in p1 last sitting and this coming sitting?
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No need pay for the career fair,actually it is like a career fair organise by jobstreet etc,just this is the one organise by the ACCA and more specific to financial area of career..

one more news,Dr. Choong Kwai Fatt might conduct revision class for tax paper this coming sitting,so for those who intended to take tax papers,please take note lo...
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That's good, a lot of my friend very disappointed when hearing he didn't conduct class for 2 sitting. Now good news.... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Hey guys, I have a question. I sat for CAT exams in june 2008. At the front page of the answer booklet, there are boxes for us to tick for the questions we answered, right? What would happen if I forgot to tick those boxes? Will they not mark my answers? *touchwood*
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Any comments on Tee Chai Hong in teaching F5 and Andrew Kok in teahing F6?
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whose attend the BDO talk at ACCA career 2008, i wanna know whose the speaker beside Dato' Gan???
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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Jun 29 2008, 12:01 AM)
y never tell u were there? should have met u there...which booth were u?

this was my first time going to ACCA career fair too. it was pretty useful i would say. the BDO Binder career talk was interesting. managed to talk with OCBC deputy CEO Mr. Jeffery Chew just before i left rclxm9.gif he is a very nice and friendly person and managed to give good advices too  thumbup.gif

i think i will join finance instead of audit coz that's my interest nod.gif but i've dropped the resume for audit position in the career fair...how ar? is it fine for fresh grad to go to advisory without audit background? advice plz guys..... icon_question.gif
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you still can, but the chances will be less, unless u r top student. anyways, no harm to try.

QUOTE(littlediana @ Jun 29 2008, 12:23 AM)
is the acca career fair really crowded???
and any thing to share with us blush.gif
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you shd have come to see for yourself.

QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jun 29 2008, 02:18 AM)
Career talk is what ah? Is it companies will conduct something like "seminar" and explain what they want to see from graduates or u have to walk to them to talk with them personally?
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QUOTE(pristina @ Jun 29 2008, 02:02 PM)
career talk?? need to pay for it??
i read the magazine of ACCA need to pay hundred plus for ???
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are you reading the correct thing?

QUOTE(coolly @ Jun 29 2008, 03:54 PM)
No need pay for the career fair,actually it is like a career fair organise by jobstreet etc,just this is the one organise by the ACCA and more specific to financial area of career..

one more news,Dr. Choong Kwai Fatt might conduct revision class for tax paper this coming sitting,so for those who intended to take tax papers,please take note lo...
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This is definately a very good news. need to spreading around.
btw, only IRC?
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 30 2008, 08:56 AM)

This is definately a very good news. need to spreading around.
btw, only IRC?
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Off course lo, cos tomolo already 1/7/2008. I dun think he will suddenly run normal class, cos he need a lot of time to prepare the study material for student.
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Off course lo, cos tomolo already 1/7/2008. I dun think he will suddenly run normal class, cos he need a lot of time to prepare the study material for student.
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Due to his busy schedule he will not conducting the class for the term.
Is he really conducting IRC?
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Due to his busy schedule he will not conducting the class for the term.
Is he really conducting IRC?
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According to Coolly, CKF might conduct IRC for this coming sitting.

Try to email him, when he see more ppl email him, then the chance he come will be higher.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 30 2008, 10:28 AM)
Off course lo, cos tomolo already 1/7/2008. I dun think he will suddenly run normal class, cos he need a lot of time to prepare the study material for student.
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whose attend the BDO talk at ACCA career 2008, i wanna know whose the speaker beside Dato' Gan???
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Anyone, please answer my query?
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oh, normal class start on 1st week of July?
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I think you misunderstanding my mearning. Wat I mean was tomolo already July and I dun think KwaI Fatt got time to run normal class cos he need more time for preparing the study material for student.

According to history oso, if he planning to run normal class, he will confirm earlier with SEGI at May. Since nothing from him, so he won't be conduct any normal class.

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Hey guys, I have a question. I sat for CAT exams in june 2008. At the front page of the answer booklet, there are boxes for us to tick for the questions we answered, right? What would happen if I forgot to tick those boxes? Will they not mark my answers? *touchwood*
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 30 2008, 01:32 PM)
I think you misunderstanding my mearning. Wat I mean was tomolo already July and I dun think KwaI Fatt got time to run normal class cos he need more time for preparing the study material for student.

According to history oso, if he planning to run normal class, he will confirm earlier with SEGI at May. Since nothing  from him, so he won't be conduct any normal class.
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oic...
but i thinks even he wanted to start normal class also not a problems for him.
since most of the notes is ready( older version) just use it to update then it's the new notes.

but i thinks this is not the main concern. i thinks he will focus on designing questions which suite the current tax law.

btw, i want to dispose off my old test books and revision kits.

FTMS Practice & Revision Kit

1. paper 3.3 Performance Management
2. paper 3.5 Strategic Business Planning and Development
3. paper 3.6 Advanced Corporate Reporting International Stream

year 2004/2005

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DeathChaosX,don't think they'll penalize you for that. If I recall correctly I have forgotten to tick the boxes before

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DeathChaosX,don't think they'll penalize you for that. If I recall correctly I have forgotten to tick the boxes before
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I see, thanks for the reply. Sorry for another newbie question, but what if I forgot to write my desk number in the front page of the question booklet? Because they stated that we cannot take the question out of the hall, and if I did not write down my desk number, would they assume that I have taken out the question booklet and not mark my paper? hmm.gif

Thanks in advance for replies. biggrin.gif
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I see, thanks for the reply. Sorry for another newbie question, but what if I forgot to write my desk number in the front page of the question booklet? Because they stated that we cannot take the question out of the hall, and if I did not write down my desk number, would they assume that I have taken out the question booklet and not mark my paper?  hmm.gif

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Wah u all so brave didn't write or tick in boxes.. Haha, i don't dare to take the risk. Always scared something happen or examiner "bu suang" me. tongue.gif
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Wah u all so brave didn't write or tick in boxes.. Haha, i don't dare to take the risk. Always scared something happen or examiner "bu suang" me. tongue.gif
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actually we need to write our desk number on the QUESTION paper? i didnt know that... shocking.gif
i didnt write at all for any of my previous papers...
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actually we need to write our desk number on the QUESTION paper? i didnt know that...  shocking.gif
i didnt write at all for any of my previous papers...
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QUOTE(shadowsun @ Jul 1 2008, 07:19 PM)
actually we need to write our desk number on the QUESTION paper? i didnt know that...  shocking.gif
i didnt write at all for any of my previous papers...
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The main purpose was they want to make sure every candidates submit back the question paper before leaving exam hall. B'cos last time got student take the exam paper after finish exam and fax to the friend in UK (Due to time zone different, UK student will sit the paper after Malaysia).
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anyone knows any changes in p1 last sitting and this coming sitting?
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my friend (a pretty girl) has got a credit of RM568.60 in mc orange and she would like to sell it as she is not attending any classes there this sitting. the credit is transferable to any paper in mc orange and she would like to sell it around RM500. price is negotiable. please PM me ASAP if you are interested and i will give you her phone number to deal directly with her. guys, perhaps you could make friends with her too brows.gif brows.gif trust me, she is quite cun thumbup.gif

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I think they meant answer script
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nono, not the answer booklet. I'm talking bout the question booklet. Answer booklet ofcoz need write desk number. But I was wondering if they would penalize us if we did not write desk number on question booklet.
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QUOTE(DeathChaosX @ Jul 2 2008, 10:50 PM)
nono, not the answer booklet. I'm talking bout the question booklet. Answer booklet ofcoz need write desk number. But I was wondering if they would penalize us if we did not write desk number on question booklet.
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Didn't your invigilator remind you? My centre they always keep reminding us and they will check before collecting. Which centre are you in?

Basically not a big deal, don't worry too much. Next time don't forget to write.
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QUOTE(DeathChaosX @ Jul 2 2008, 10:50 PM)
nono, not the answer booklet. I'm talking bout the question booklet. Answer booklet ofcoz need write desk number. But I was wondering if they would penalize us if we did not write desk number on question booklet.
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my centre is sunway... the invigilator has never requested us to write our desk number on the queation paper at all... i mean when they collect the answer script, they would make sure they collect both the question and answer script... therefore, there would be no issue as to whether any student might bring out the question paper... so i think that as long as you get to go out of the exam hall after the exam (which implies that everything tallies), the marker wouldnt know anything right? correct me if im wrong...
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QUOTE(shadowsun @ Jul 3 2008, 08:56 PM)
my centre is sunway... the invigilator has never requested us to write our desk number on the queation paper at all... i mean when they collect the answer script, they would make sure they collect both the question and answer script... therefore, there would be no issue as to whether any student might bring out the question paper... so i think that as long as you get to go out of the exam hall after the exam (which implies that everything tallies), the marker wouldnt know anything right? correct me if im wrong...
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yeah.. u r rite.. my centre is TARC but the invigilator also never ask us to write desk number on the QUESTION paper at all.. just write down our name and student ID will do..

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Hello! I am new here! I planning to take ACCA next year. Can you guys give some opinion and information about ACCA.

first, Is it hard to pass? coz not a good student in the past in result wise.

Second, does Malaysia Institute Taxation offer cheap course compare ACCA. probally it help me enter into accounts industry.
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QUOTE(shlee @ Jul 3 2008, 09:53 AM)
Didn't your invigilator remind you? My centre they always keep reminding us and they will check before collecting. Which centre are you in?

Basically not a big deal, don't worry too much. Next time don't forget to write.
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actually i'm not sure whether i got write anot. my centre is ucsi.

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 3 2008, 11:00 AM)
y be so naughty le? ACCA is all about follows rules ma. beside you got the knowledge.
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laugh.gif what naughty? first time ma. tongue.gif
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[quote=shlee,Jul 3 2008, 09:53 AM]
Didn't your invigilator remind you? My centre they always keep reminding us and they will check before collecting. Which centre are you in?

Basically not a big deal, don't worry too much. Next time don't forget to write.
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Sorry i made a mistake, overlook. blink.gif
Desk no never heard need to write on Qs paper.
We only need to write name & student no. So long you have written shouldn't be a problem nod.gif
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QUOTE(tcj13888 @ Jul 3 2008, 10:39 PM)
Hello! I am new here! I planning to take ACCA next year. Can you guys give some opinion and information about ACCA.

first, Is it hard to pass? coz not a good student in the past in result wise.

Second, does Malaysia Institute Taxation offer cheap course compare ACCA. probally it help me enter into accounts industry.
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ACCA is a professional qualification course fom england and 100% exam based (no project / thesis required), therefore a pass would be enough to progress throught the paper. Although ACCA distinguished into fundamental (9 papers) and professional level (3 core paper + 2 optional paper). ACCA was was misunderstood for pure accounting paper but it is not so (plus finance, management, business). Therefore job oppurnities will be enhanced as it covers a broad area (as accountant, taxation, audtor, financier,...). Plus a lot of employer prefers a person with professional qualification (ACCA, CIMA, CPA,...) than just a degree holder.

The syllabus wise, the course will be more focussed in calculation and foundation from F1 to F3. It will be almost 50 : 50 calculation & theory for F5(performance measurement), F6 (TAX), F7(reporting), F9(finance). F4(law) & F8(audit) will be 100% theory. In this stage hardwork & practice is required as most of it was new even for an accounting student for SPM / STPM.

However as progress through the Professional level, wisdom & analytical skill is required (where "brain dumping" is no longer practiceable) as they required you to apply what you learned not what you know. It is harder to pass at this stage where students tend to :
1) stop temporarily & take a degree course (ACCA gives a lot of exemption for accounting related)
2) work to fill up the experience form (PER)

MIT was based in malaysia and it will be suitable for you if your ambition is to be a tax speciallist. However due to lack of business oppurnity and like lawyer it needs a lot of experience and reputation for people to engage you. Of course it is cheaper but your job prospects will be limited to tax only. Even most companies outsource their tax dept to firms (PWC, E & Y, KPMG, deloitte). FUrthermore if you are to progress oversea, MIT is not widely recognised compared to ACCA. ACCA also gives a wide exposure to tax students as they can choose it in optional paper.
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is the andrew pang in katsuri college good in teaching p4.

any comment?...?...

able to self study this subject not if the math is very good enough.
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QUOTE(wkf @ Jul 4 2008, 01:34 PM)
is the andrew pang in katsuri college good in teaching p4. 

any comment?...?...   

able to self study this subject not if the math is very good enough.
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He is good but only calculation part, theory just so so only. Beside Andrew, you can try Daniel Ho at FTMS oso for this paper.

I don't recommend you self study P4 and other prof level paper oso, cos all the paper in prof level can't just study by hard. Understand and application will be very important in this level.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 30 2008, 08:56 AM)
you still can, but the chances will be less, unless u r top student. anyways, no harm to try.
you shd have come to see for yourself.
im doubt whether you are an ACCA student or not. Just register? every1 shd have get the ACCA Focus magazine.
are you reading the correct thing?
This is definately a very good news. need to spreading around.
btw, only IRC?
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ya,should be only IRC for this coming sitting..


QUOTE(shlee @ Jun 30 2008, 11:21 AM)
Due to his busy schedule he will not conducting the class for the term.
Is he really conducting IRC?
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This is what he mentioned la..but since it is quite long from now,so things might change..


QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jun 30 2008, 11:49 AM)
According to Coolly, CKF might conduct IRC for this coming sitting.

Try to email him, when he see more ppl email him, then the chance he come will be higher.
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ya,i suggest email him to confirm also...

QUOTE(tcj13888 @ Jul 3 2008, 10:39 PM)
Hello! I am new here! I planning to take ACCA next year. Can you guys give some opinion and information about ACCA.

first, Is it hard to pass? coz not a good student in the past in result wise.

Second, does Malaysia Institute Taxation offer cheap course compare ACCA. probally it help me enter into accounts industry.
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It is not hard to pass.. tongue.gif

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Hi, my lecturer says that it is advisable to take P2 and P7 together, as the changes in standards can study simultaneously. But those who have taken P7...can please give feedback on how much of P2 is applicable in P7? around how many percentage?

The problem is, im taking P2 this sem, next sem only P7 maybe, but stds will continually change, not sure how much it will affect P7 in 1 sem..
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QUOTE(babylck @ Jul 3 2008, 10:03 PM)
yeah.. u r rite.. my centre is TARC but the invigilator also never ask us to write desk number on the QUESTION paper at all.. just write down our name and student ID will do..
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at Sedaya, the invigilator only ask for desk number on question paper..^^
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What is the difference between CIMA and ACCA? Statement of changes in equity what does it mean in real working life.

Is it Increase or decrease of Asset in the companY?
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QUOTE(tcj13888 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:21 AM)
What is the difference between CIMA and ACCA? Statement of changes in equity what does it mean in real working life.

Is it Increase or decrease of Asset in the companY?
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CIMA is more orrientated in management accounting which constitutes a wider scope covered in F5 & P5 in ACCA. It is appropriate for students who are more interested in decision making aspects of accounting. The qualification was less recognised in many countries compared to ACCA but it covers more exposure than ACCA. It is deemed harder to pass CIMA as it was more "theory-orientated" than ACCA. Most accounting terminologies in ACCA was derived / "photo-copied" from CIMA. CIMA is more famous in UK compared to Malaysia as there are less CIMA students & tuition provider in Malaysia.

Regarding Statement of changes in equity, it shows the movement of capital / equity of company not assets. For example it shows increases / decreases in share capital & share premium which are probably affected by issue of shares or redemption of shares (shares buyback). In real life the equity portion is more relevant to shareholders who are more interested in the returns (dividends). The SCE shows the movement of equty which will probably affect the shares price, dividend, rifghts issue,.......etc.

Actually i also need recommendation on where to take CIMA?
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Hi all, i'm new here.
Anyone have idea about the 2008 December examination schedule?
I need to apply leave and plan my annual leave up front in order to accomodate withe my exams and studies.
(Taking F4 and F5 this semester)

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Hi all, i'm new here.
Anyone have idea about the 2008 December examination schedule?
I need to apply leave and plan my annual leave up front in order to accomodate withe my exams and studies.
(Taking F4 and F5 this semester)
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you can find the exam schedule in acca website or student accountant..
normally will be the 1st and 2nd week of dec..
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 7 2008, 01:21 PM)
CIMA is more orrientated in management accounting which constitutes a wider scope covered in F5 & P5 in ACCA. It is appropriate for students who are more interested in decision making aspects of accounting. The qualification was less recognised in many countries compared to ACCA but it covers more exposure than ACCA. It is deemed harder to pass CIMA as it was more "theory-orientated" than ACCA. Most accounting terminologies in ACCA was derived / "photo-copied" from CIMA.  CIMA is more famous in UK compared to Malaysia as there are less CIMA students & tuition provider in Malaysia.

Regarding Statement of changes in equity, it shows the movement of capital / equity of company not assets. For example it shows increases / decreases in share capital & share premium which are probably affected by issue of shares or redemption of shares (shares buyback). In real life the equity portion is more relevant to shareholders who are more interested in the returns (dividends). The SCE shows the movement of equty which will probably affect the shares price, dividend, rifghts issue,.......etc.

Actually i also need recommendation on where to take CIMA?
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mayb you can try to find out in TARC?
i know some of my fren who took CIMA in tarc, they dun have much options outside unlike ACCA, so they just stick with TARC.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 7 2008, 02:01 PM)
mayb you can try to find out in TARC?
i know some of my fren who took CIMA in tarc, they dun have much options outside unlike ACCA, so they just stick with TARC.
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How much exemptions they give for ACCA students ?
Is there no other college in KL which offer CIMA ? (i heard about FTMS but unsure about its lecturers)
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As I recall, CIMA gives ACCA exemption until their final level. Not sure, please check.
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anyone here went for the ACCA Career Fair 2008 last 2 weeks ago??

I've sent my resume to some of the firm, but so far didn't get any reply from them at all..
wasted my energy to go there =(
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QUOTE(babylck @ Jul 8 2008, 05:46 PM)
anyone here went for the ACCA Career Fair 2008 last 2 weeks ago??

I've sent my resume to some of the firm, but so far didn't get any reply from them at all..
wasted my energy to go there =(
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i went..sometime they take times to process..so pls be patient..

my fren kena called for interview also..
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QUOTE(coolly @ Jul 8 2008, 07:27 PM)
i went..sometime they take times to process..so pls be patient..

my fren kena called for interview also..
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ur fren's result shud be damn good rite?
erm.. im just average only.. mayb tak kena call because of this reason.. sad.gif
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Monday 1 December F6 Taxation P6 Advanced Taxation

Tuesday 2 December F4 Corporate and Business Law P7 Advanced Audit and Assurance

Wednesday 3 December F3 Financial Accounting F8 Audit and Assurance

Thursday 4 December F9 Financial Management P4 Advanced Financial Management

Friday 5 December F2 Management Accounting P5 Advanced Performance Management

Monday 8 December F5 Performance Management P1 Professional Accountant

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When ACCA result will released ?
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Hi, my lecturer says that it is advisable to take P2 and P7 together, as the changes in standards can study simultaneously. But those who have taken P7...can please give feedback on how much of P2 is applicable in P7? around how many percentage?

The problem is, im taking P2 this sem, next sem only P7 maybe, but stds will continually change, not sure how much it will affect P7 in 1 sem..
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Usually for P7, one of the question from Sec B is applicable. But last sitting, June 2008 Exam never asked any questions from the standards (SecB).

I attended P2 (Keith Farmer) and P7 (Joey Wong; Revision: CK Fung) together in the previous sitting. It's easier to learn the standards once which applicable to both subjects. nod.gif

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Anyone goin for the OBU grad ceremony tis Aug?
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sching - i'll be going for the OBU graduation in aug... are you? have you submit the form for pictures and graduation robe?
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hey guys, i have a question here ...for the Professional level papers right,MUST i complete the Essential Model papers then only i can take the Optional Model papers? ...but i thought we dont have to sit for the exam according to the sequence of the papers Prof Model? Advice pls....thank u smile.gif
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shadowsun, most probably i'll be going. Nope, haven't submitted my forms yet. Have you?

I am from penang. Any recommendations on the accomodation near Istana Hotel?

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QUOTE(blax3 @ Jul 11 2008, 10:45 AM)
hey guys, i have a question here ...for the Professional level papers right,MUST i complete the Essential Model papers then only i can take the Optional Model papers? ...but i thought we dont have to sit for the exam according to the sequence of the papers Prof Model? Advice pls....thank u smile.gif
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Ya, we no need to sit exam for exam according to same sequence of the papers, but if you want take any paper in next module, then you must take together with all the paper in your module.

For eg, if u plan to take P6 but if 3 core paper haven't take yet, then you need to take P1 + P2 + P3 + P6.

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Anyone who did P2 in sunway coll, can I borrow the notes from Ms. Menon , free pizza treat.
Otherwise, for those who pass, may wish to offer me a price..no offer is too silly. willing to buy the notes.


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sching - i have not submitted as well... the dateline is 31st of July... we still have time...
though im from KL, i have no idea where Hotel Istana is... let alone the hotels nearby... hmm... i'll try to ask around for you... if i have any info, will pm you... in the meantime, maybe you can google and have a look... smile.gif
hope to see you there!
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i 1 2 ask bpp o kaplan got f4 corporate n business law n f6 taxation (malaysia version) texbook bo?
my college say dont hav textbook, so din provide 4 us. so what i can study ah?
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F4 - Study lecture notes maybe? For eg. in Sunway, we were printed a text book with relevant study material for the paper. Other tuition providers should also provide lecture notes.

F6 - I used to study using Choong Kwai Fatt's text book, recommended by my college. Also, lecture notes may be sufficient smile.gif
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F4 -  Study lecture notes maybe? For eg. in Sunway, we were printed a text book with relevant study material for the paper. Other tuition providers should also provide lecture notes.

F6 -  I used to study using Choong Kwai Fatt's text book, recommended by my college. Also, lecture notes may be sufficient smile.gif
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pretty hard to find job now in auditing firm isn't? waiting and waiting wacko.gif shakehead.gif

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pretty hard to find job now in auditing firm isn't? waiting and waiting  wacko.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 12 2008, 06:11 AM)
F4 -  Study lecture notes maybe? For eg. in Sunway, we were printed a text book with relevant study material for the paper. Other tuition providers should also provide lecture notes.
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the latest syllabus changed to have to complete all TEN question an each carry 10 marks rclxub.gif no option

means that have to fully memory the thick notes by given.

how to recall all cases??

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sching - i have not submitted as well... the dateline is 31st of July... we still have time...
though im from KL, i have no idea where Hotel Istana is... let alone the hotels nearby... hmm... i'll try to ask around for you... if i have any info, will pm you... in the meantime, maybe you can google and have a look... smile.gif
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Thanks! Hope to see you there too...

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pretty hard to find job now in auditing firm isn't? waiting and waiting  wacko.gif shakehead.gif
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I found it so too...all the waiting and waiting...
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Regarding case laws in f4, i have noticed that exam questions tend to repeat the same case laws even they have dozens to choose from. For example in the case of ITT & offer in contract, they like to use the (pharmaceutical society of great britain...) although in text books or lecturer notes they have plenty of other case laws.

Picking 1 case law for each question is considered more than enough since only 10 marks will be given for each. Marks will be alocated 50% to 80% for law theory part. Case law is considered bonus for those who can memorise. I think you can browse through the question bank and pick your favourite case for each section of law (normally the range 1 - 3).
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i have few questions about acca ^^;

1.I currently taking F2 and F3, if i finish my F2 and F3 can i take Part2 together with Part1-F1 paper in the exam?

2.Is all quality lecturers on ACCA courses only located in KL ? =( i'm from klang by the way(not klang valley)

3.Anyone online/offline lecturers note(prefered with questions papers lol) on any papers? If got any on F2 and F3 now will be great... ^^ coz the lecturer currently teaching me on F3 seem to be very fresh~ dry.gif have to do self study.
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I found it so too...all the waiting and waiting...
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QUOTE(jocelin2714 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:15 AM)
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i 1 2 ask bpp o kaplan got f4 corporate n business law n f6 taxation (malaysia version) texbook bo?
my college say dont hav textbook, so din provide 4 us. so what i can study ah?
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din hv textbook?...
but i dun think we nid use BPP or Kaplan for F4 or F6.....

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shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  waiting for someone to hire is extremely torture  rclxub.gif
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Using jobstreet? jobDB? Agency like Bright Prospect? Newspaper.......

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Hello, for those who already taken P2, which variant are you chosen? Malaysia Variant or International Variant? any difference, and those lecturer teach in International standard?
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Hi, my lecturer says that it is advisable to take P2 and P7 together, as the changes in standards can study simultaneously. But those who have taken P7...can please give feedback on how much of P2 is applicable in P7? around how many percentage?

The problem is, im taking P2 this sem, next sem only P7 maybe, but stds will continually change, not sure how much it will affect P7 in 1 sem..
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I can't say about p7, but i took 3.1 and later p2 separately. The 3.1 stuff wasn't really tricky or difficult, just normal standards you can find in the earlier accounting papers. Then again it was designed that way back then, optionals before compulsory papers. If you really want to know, why not look up the past p7 exam paper/syllabus?

QUOTE(ilovecookies92 @ Jun 29 2008, 12:26 AM)
Hi. Currently, I have a short interest on accounting. Just wondering, what does ACCA students do throughout the whole year? 6 hours of studying in the lecture hall? Practical works? And what things you guys have gone through?
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Depends lo. For sunway or other KL students its hardcore I think. See in thread always borrowing notes, got 4 acca threads liao around 100 pages are about note-borrowing i think. I sleep 4 months study 1 month rest back 1 month, and repeat.

QUOTE(jactval @ Jun 28 2008, 01:13 PM)
I am in dilemma now. Previously I visited to Sunway and I been told that for those who fail in CAT cannot proceed to ACCA Part 2(Well, all of us aware of this rule). But problem occured as Sunway required its CAT students to take T8 which is an audit paper instead of the one I had studied that is T10 Financial Management. ACCA students always claimed that audit is the toughest paper. I worry if I really fail(touch wood!), my 30% ACCA tuition fees have to be forfeited and the rest defer to next semester. Money is not a big matter since it is not a big amount. But how about I fail this time, and I do the audit paper(is compulsory to all malaysian students, this is the rule set by Sunway) then I fail again? This will definitely diminishing my confidence and determination to further anymore. As this is the case I saw many times, many students suffer from this before.

My next option would be to study at Singapore since I'll be seeking my career in the later days at Singapore. But the application of student pass is troublesome and it takes time. Furthermore the course commenced on July. I'm think of whether I should really take a break for half year or find a half year job at Singapore perhaps?

Any suggestion from you guys?
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So you think you are going to have problems passing CAT audit paper but will have no problems passing the ACCA audit papers? Think until run to singapore, aiyo... if you dont think you can pass CAT then what plans do you have to pass ACCA?

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Miss Menon from Sunway is advising those students who have been exempted from F7 but taking P2 to undergo a 9-month course, where this 9-month course would cover the syllabus for F7 and P2 together. She mentioned that P2 relies a lot on F7.
Any comments out there regarding this?
Is it a risk worth taking to take P2 without going through F7?

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QUOTE(McDee @ Jul 16 2008, 10:46 AM)
Miss Menon from Sunway is advising those students who have been exempted from F7 but taking P2 to undergo a 9-month course, where this 9-month course would cover the syllabus for F7 and P2 together. She mentioned that P2 relies a lot on F7.
Any comments out there regarding this?
Is it a risk worth taking to take P2 without going through F7?
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Actually is depend on person. For the topic we study in 2.5/F7, I think it was cover also in your degree course (if I'm not mistake, you are from accounting degree, right?). But how wide it cover in your degree course, then I'm dun know.

So may be you download the 2.5/F7 syllabus guide and past year question, to look through what is study in 2.5/F7 and baru consider want to take the 9 month course la! If you feel that you know 2.5/F7 knowledge after read through the syllabus guide and past year question, then you no need to waste you money lo.

But if you really dun know and feel 2.5/F7 very hard for you, then you go ahead for this 9 month course.

Actually, I tell you the story oso. This is one way for the College to make money from student. As you know that, if you plan to study in Sunway, then they will think a lot of way to get money from student. For eg, their OBU mentor can charge up to RM4,500. But outside I can find better mentor where she/he only charges less than RM3,000.

So dun just 100% trust what the Sunway college ppl said. Go to ask the more senior person in other college(means ACCA student), then look through the 2.5/F7 syllabus and past year question, and baru consider la!

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Actually, I tell you the story oso. This is one way for the College to make money from student. As you know that, if you plan to study in Sunway, then they will think a lot of way to get money from student. For eg, their OBU mentor can charge up to RM4,500. But outside I can find better mentor where she/he only charges less than RM3,000.

So dun just 100% trust what the Sunway college ppl said. Go to ask the more senior person in other college(means ACCA student), then look through the 2.5/F7 syllabus and past year question, and baru consider la!
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yeah..i think this is one way they make money too...but they r doing a special promo for this sem students...where we dun pay extra for the extra 3-months....but i heard other students have to pay extra rm 400....

but then...9 months lor...longer time...sien...
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QUOTE(McDee @ Jul 16 2008, 10:46 AM)
Miss Menon from Sunway is advising those students who have been exempted from F7 but taking P2 to undergo a 9-month course, where this 9-month course would cover the syllabus for F7 and P2 together. She mentioned that P2 relies a lot on F7.
Any comments out there regarding this?
Is it a risk worth taking to take P2 without going through F7?
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P2 is actually "add-on" to F7 and its true that if you don't have a strong foundation in F7, P2 will be a very hard paper to "digest". Try watching 3rd Star wars film without watching the first 2 film. As all of you know ACCA is an "accounting" association unlike other professional bodies, they know many ways to "entice" students to try out their course by offering many exemptions (ie : SPM accounting top achievers exempt CAT T1.....). so that they can generate more income (student annual fees, exam fees,...).

There is a clause in ACCA that student must pass a particular paper in "10 years period grace". However they change their syllabus every 10 year (notice their tactic here). So technically the rule above looks rather stupid.

I have certain friends whom are degree holder in IPTA / IPTS are exempted from F7 but all of them agree F7 covers wider exposure than their respective field. Do not forget you must "pass" F7 (ie : pass over 50 marks) to progress to P2 without relying on any projects.

The most important comment i must insert that F7 & P2 has unergo tremenduos adjustments, update & changes from previous ACCA 2.5 / 3 not to mention degree programme which are different than ACCA course. Just this year alone we have changes in IAS 1 & IFRS 3 which changes the structure. Even previous 2.5 student which have stopped temporarily find it difficult to cope in P2.


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who ever consider to go the UK study ACCA?
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who ever consider to go the UK study ACCA?
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Study in UK so expensive.. somemore sitting same exam, don't think theres more benefit then the costs incurred..
I think the lecturers in malaysia is good enough:D
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 16 2008, 06:17 PM)
P2 is actually "add-on" to F7 and its true that if you don't have a strong foundation in F7, P2 will be a very hard paper to "digest". Try watching 3rd Star wars film without watching the first 2 film. As all of you know ACCA is an "accounting" association unlike other professional bodies, they know many ways to "entice" students to try out their course by offering many exemptions (ie : SPM accounting top achievers exempt CAT T1.....). so that they can generate more income (student annual fees, exam fees,...).

There is a clause in ACCA that student must pass a particular paper in "10 years period grace". However they change their syllabus every 10 year (notice their tactic here). So technically the rule above looks rather stupid.

I have certain friends whom are degree holder in IPTA / IPTS are exempted from F7 but all of them agree F7 covers wider exposure than their respective field. Do not forget you must "pass" F7 (ie : pass over 50 marks) to progress to P2 without relying on any projects.

The most important comment i must insert that F7 & P2 has unergo tremenduos adjustments, update & changes from previous ACCA 2.5 / 3 not to mention degree programme which are different than ACCA course. Just this year alone we have changes in IAS 1 & IFRS 3 which changes the structure. Even previous 2.5 student which have stopped temporarily find it difficult to cope in P2.
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ACCA not change syllabus every 10 years, but change syllabus every 6 or 7 years. Dec 2007 - 1st sitting for current syllabus, Dec 2001 - 1st sitting for old syllabus (1.1, 1.2.........3.7), Dec 94 - 1st sitting for more older syllabus (Module A, B, C, D, E, F).

Ya, you are right, for those didn't take 2.5/F7 before, they will find difficult to pass P2. But sometime also depend on student. I have a friend under more older syllabus is IAS and when attend 3.6, she/he take MASB, but also can pass. So as I said b4, student better look through the 2.5/F7 PYQ and syllabus guide, then baru consider.

For the FRS update, if you meet better lecturer, then they flash back related 2.5/F7 knowledge to P2 in the class. For eg, Joe Fang in the P2 class, he will flash back some 2.5 knowledge during teaching consol and also will provide summary of FRS notes to P2 student. The good lectuer will help student to pass and not just ask student to pay extra money to attend other class.

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Hi! can i seek advise from any of you here.
May i know whoever who have taken P7? is it must have a strong foundation in P2 cause the accounting standards is applicable when analyzing question in p7.

For eg,if a degree student to take p2 and p7 together,will it be hard to cope with studying full time? assume this student is not any smart student.

and p2 is the hardest sub in professional papers and p7 has the 2nd highest failing rate after tax paper,,,,
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Thanks! Hope to see you there too...
I found it so too...all the waiting and waiting...
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why said so? audit firm now is lacking of people. perhaps now is Off-peak already. the required staff is lesser.
but they still need people.

mind im asking, are your applying big4 or medium firm? how long ur have sent out ur resume?
respones from medium firm is much faster than Big4.


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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 16 2008, 11:28 AM)
Actually, I tell you the story oso. This is one way for the College to make money from student. As you know that, if you plan to study in Sunway, then they will think a lot of way to get money from student. For eg, their OBU mentor can charge up to RM4,500. But outside I can find better mentor where she/he only charges less than RM3,000.

So dun just 100% trust what the Sunway college ppl said. Go to ask the more senior person in other college(means ACCA student), then look through the 2.5/F7 syllabus and past year question, and baru consider la!
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i dont recall the exact figure but i am quite sure i was charged a lot less than 2k for OBU shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 17 2008, 06:00 PM)
i dont recall the exact figure but i am quite sure i was charged a lot less than 2k for OBU shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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metro prima college(kepong, kl) charge OBU degree round 1.7k... of course a package... XD... nt sure they provide single OBU degree course... i heard that some of the institution does... hmm... still in diploma... long way... 1st year somemore... =p
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Study in UK so expensive.. somemore sitting same exam, don't think theres more benefit then the costs incurred..
I think the lecturers in malaysia is good enough:D
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attention for penang's acca student
i'm studying disted for acca F4, 5 n 6
b4 i register they say wil provide textbook n revision kit for all subject
but later say bpp no textbook n revision kit for F4 n F6
although college in penang wil provide textbook other brand 4 them
summore the tax lecturer dont noe 2 teach
sumtime wil teach wrong thing
the college employ lawyer to teach law
she not really noe the new syallbus
then i 1 2 withdraw this two subject
they say cant cause disted just offer course for full time student
except u 1 2 withdraw the full course
actually got student take only 2 paper in disted
then take other paper in other college
but now they say b4 starting the class they accept the student offer
if u now 1 2 withdraw cant liao
wat the stupid reason
they yesterday meeting 2 find way 2 dont 1 me withdraw the only 2 subject
cause the paper 5 lecturer very good la
summore like this really waste lot of money nia
summore they cost many fee
register fee for RM300, resourse fee for RM300, caution money RM300la...
all cant refund la...
b4 register all r good la
later 1 2 withdraw all shit la
so b4 enter disted college
better ask more question
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QUOTE(pristina @ Jul 17 2008, 08:44 PM)
i know.. but we're still young why don't give a chance to ourselve to gain more experiance?
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Experience is good:) but when u go UK study acca... in the end ull just end up studying, hardly got any life:D
I know some friend who study degree there only shiok.. can drive here drive there visit places.. but acca student.. dun think got time kua tongue.gif

Btw, my lecturer advice say its better study acca finish here, coz lecturer in Msia more to spoon feed, rather than giving a brief lecture, then have to self study..

If u really wanna go UK, maybe try to apply for a job overseas in the future:D

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Sorry to interrupt, just wondering when will the result come out ?


EDITED: Hehe nvm, found it out already smile.gif



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i dont recall the exact figure but i am quite sure i was charged a lot less than 2k for OBU shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Experience is good:) but when u go UK study acca... in the end ull just end up studying, hardly got any life:D
I know some friend who study degree there only shiok.. can drive here drive there visit places.. but acca student.. dun think got time kua tongue.gif

Btw, my lecturer advice say its better study acca finish here, coz lecturer in Msia more to spoon feed, rather than giving a brief lecture, then have to self study..

If u really wanna go UK, maybe try to apply for a job overseas in the future:D
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Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif

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Here got some uncertainty & doubt on my company’s accounting matter need ur guys to be advise and clarify.
There is a supplier proposed to me to defer the billing from current month July to October to meet their next financial year sales target (their financial fiscal year ended October) albeit the billing is related to work performed (construction) in July. This means that the contract cost incurred in July can only be recorded in October upon invoice being received.
Although this is benefited our company on cash flow as no need to pay earlier since invoice is only raised in October. However, does this make sense and comply with FRS??? FRS always stated that cost should be recognised in the accounting period in which the work is performed.Does this case has already breach the rule set out by FRS?
Many thanks if u can advise and clear my doubts on this. icon_question.gif
Sori 4 my poor English here n hope ur guys could understand.
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Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif
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wah.. i bet ur marks very high.. don't know.. i feel those papers which require calculations needs alot of practice.. even papers like audit also must practice past year alot.. afterall, must aim high for part 2, not just pass only, coz for OBU first class as well:) but i guess now in Part 3... pass also happy liao:)
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I think you can call ACCA is a "simple" professional course but "never easy".

The reason i said so it is not fair to describe ACCA as merely "brain-dumping" exercise (throw everything you know or memorise).
Some prefer to call it "bullshitting" (argue & explain based on your knowledge not on text provided). It is partially correct to say it that way for P1,P3 and some professional papers (even certain lecturers admit so). ACCA is simple to define but never easy to comprehend as it is impossible that no theoretical, models, formulaes, framework will be included in any ACCA syllabus.

It will do no justice to those who had failed once / twice ...... in any ACCA papers as this was a norm in the past history. Sometimes you need to be a hardworking student (pratice, memorise, no truancy) or a smart student (focus, innovative, reasoning) or the aggresive student (get every kaplan, BPP books he / she can get). Some approach work on certain papers and some failed completely, while some were lucky to spot the correct topic.

Well i don't know most of you out there but i can deduce from my past experience, most ACCA students have a common behaviour.
B4 result = scared to death, negative mind-set, a pass will suffice, conduct a party if pass, pray very hard, stay up all day to wait for result.....
After result (if pass) = complain why marks not high enough cry.gif (for those aiming for world prize), telling juniors the paper was not so tough actually. icon_rolleyes.gif
After result (if fail) = You don't want me to tell do ya? shocking.gif
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b4 results is usually = ah wth, let's party hahahaha
1 day b4 results = shit.. tomorrow la..
results day = prays alot
after got results
if pass all = f*** yeah, party!!!!!!!!!
if fail 1 = omfg emo laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sleep.gif
if fail more than 1 = *speechless* don't dare tell parents.

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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 17 2008, 10:38 PM)
Experience is good:) but when u go UK study acca... in the end ull just end up studying, hardly got any life:D
I know some friend who study degree there only shiok.. can drive here drive there visit places.. but acca student.. dun think got time kua tongue.gif

Btw, my lecturer advice say its better study acca finish here, coz lecturer in Msia more to spoon feed, rather than giving a brief lecture, then have to self study..

If u really wanna go UK, maybe try to apply for a job overseas in the future:D
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May be for the six months or more then that to stay over there?
wish to get that some memories in my study life when old age smile.gif and of course to study well


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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 18 2008, 12:34 AM)
Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif
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which college you are? or university?


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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 18 2008, 06:05 PM)
wah.. i bet ur marks very high.. don't know.. i feel those papers which require calculations needs alot of practice.. even papers like audit also must practice past year alot.. afterall, must aim high for part 2, not just pass only, coz for OBU first class as well:) but i guess now in Part 3... pass also happy liao:)
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 18 2008, 11:15 PM)
i don't know most of you out there but i can deduce from my past experience, most ACCA students have a common behaviour.
B4 result = scared to death, negative mind-set, a pass will suffice, conduct a party if pass, pray very hard, stay up all day to wait for result.....
After result (if pass) = complain why marks not high enough cry.gif  (for those aiming for world prize), telling juniors the paper was not so tough actually. icon_rolleyes.gif
After result (if fail) = You don't want me to tell do ya? shocking.gif
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one more month again..now is scare,negative mind,pass will suffice and so and so..

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 18 2008, 11:15 PM)
I think you can call ACCA is a "simple" professional course but "never easy".

The reason i said so it is not fair to describe ACCA as merely "brain-dumping" exercise (throw everything you know or memorise).
Some prefer to call it "bullshitting" (argue & explain based on your knowledge not on text provided). It is partially correct to say it that way for P1,P3 and some professional papers (even certain lecturers admit so). ACCA is simple to define but never easy to comprehend as it is impossible that no theoretical, models, formulaes, framework will be included in any ACCA syllabus.

It will do no justice to those who had failed once / twice ...... in any ACCA papers as this was a norm in the past history. Sometimes you need to be a hardworking student (pratice, memorise, no truancy) or a smart student (focus, innovative, reasoning) or the aggresive student (get every kaplan, BPP books he / she can get). Some approach work on certain papers and some failed completely, while some were lucky to spot the correct topic.

Well i don't know most of you out there but i can deduce from my past experience, most ACCA students have a common behaviour.
B4 result = scared to death, negative mind-set, a pass will suffice, conduct a party if pass, pray very hard, stay up all day to wait for result.....
After result (if pass) = complain why marks not high enough cry.gif  (for those aiming for world prize), telling juniors the paper was not so tough actually. icon_rolleyes.gif
After result (if fail) = You don't want me to tell do ya? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 18 2008, 12:34 AM)
Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif
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i got ur point... but considering that u propose to go to public university... i dont agree... coz university student just have to 'sapu buntut' lect and then get a high score given free by that lect.. i know this very well bcoz i'm also from ipta but only fer diploma level, then i study ACCA directly rather than continuing degree programme bcoz frustrated that other student who are not suppose to get high mark, achieved it by 'sapu buntut' lect.. sorry to say this... but its fact... drool.gif

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QUOTE(cospi03 @ Jul 20 2008, 03:02 AM)
i got ur point... but considering that u propose to go to public university... i dont agree... coz university student just have to 'sapu buntut' lect and then get a high score given free by that lect.. i know this very well bcoz i'm also from ipta but only fer diploma level, then i study ACCA directly rather than continuing degree programme bcoz frustrated that other student who are not suppose to get high mark, achieved it by 'sapu buntut' lect.. sorry to say this... but its fact...  drool.gif
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Actually, Public University is a bit weird.

Popular courses like Accounitng, Engineering, Medicine. It is not easy to SCORE !! Since there are so much STPM/ Matriks top students in the course & the lecturers don't have any reason to mark leniently. Ya, they may not FAIL you, but give an A, you must be good.

However, for certain courses which is not so popular ,eg. Business Management, Environmental Engineering, Perhutanan. This courses is particulary easy to score since most students that pick this courses are those with rather average or poor STPM result. The lecturers have to mark more leniently in order to produce some As STUDENTS for the course. These As students may be just average, but they are considered good among their below average peers.
My boyfriend is an example for this senario... ( he is dean list in public university, vomit blood !!) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 18 2008, 11:15 PM)
I think you can call ACCA is a "simple" professional course but "never easy".

The reason i said so it is not fair to describe ACCA as merely "brain-dumping" exercise (throw everything you know or memorise).
Some prefer to call it "bullshitting" (argue & explain based on your knowledge not on text provided). It is partially correct to say it that way for P1,P3 and some professional papers (even certain lecturers admit so). ACCA is simple to define but never easy to comprehend as it is impossible that no theoretical, models, formulaes, framework will be included in any ACCA syllabus.

It will do no justice to those who had failed once / twice ...... in any ACCA papers as this was a norm in the past history. Sometimes you need to be a hardworking student (pratice, memorise, no truancy) or a smart student (focus, innovative, reasoning) or the aggresive student (get every kaplan, BPP books he / she can get). Some approach work on certain papers and some failed completely, while some were lucky to spot the correct topic.

Well i don't know most of you out there but i can deduce from my past experience, most ACCA students have a common behaviour.
B4 result = scared to death, negative mind-set, a pass will suffice, conduct a party if pass, pray very hard, stay up all day to wait for result.....
After result (if pass) = complain why marks not high enough cry.gif  (for those aiming for world prize), telling juniors the paper was not so tough actually. icon_rolleyes.gif
After result (if fail) = You don't want me to tell do ya? shocking.gif
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ACCA is just a paper qualification for us to gain into the working field. after that, it's on our own.
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 18 2008, 12:34 AM)
Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif
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I don't agree with you!

Ya, you are right. ACCA is easy if compare to the some of same level prof course like CIMA, ICAEW and etc. But do you understand that ACCA exam is very practical? You must know how to apply what the lecturer teach, but no learn by hard for theory. At the same time, you must understand examiner requirement. If you fail to make examiner requirement, I can sure the big chance you will fail for the professional level paper.

For eg, 3.2/P6 paper. examiner treat candidates like tax adviser. Can you get 50m with just 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing?

Just remember in ACCA, study and exam can be difference story. For eg in P1, do you think examiner will ask you" What is CG, What is openness, Define Risk Assessment and etc?"

And do you know some paper like P3, actually is a mixed of few subject for the student study in Uni? I got a lot of friend from uni, they go to take ACCA after get degree. Majority of them feel that ACCA was very difficult even ACCA only need us to get 50m.

One of my friend take P3 last sitting, she know the business model very well and can memorise it very well. But the problem was she don't know how to apply it to the case. Another problem was she feel that unfair for this paper cos the senario in Sec B question too long and until she only can answer the question without fully read the senario.

Can you imaging in 3 hours exam, you need to apply a lot of theory in the question for that paper, still easy? But may be for you, ACCA is easy than degree course, but for others ppl, ACCA is very hard.

We always remember, ACCA qualification was higher than Degree and below Master.

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eh... ACCA below masters meh? My lecturer say she sit for MBA, the syllabus not as wide as ACCA, only alot of reports/assignments.

And according to another of my lecturer, he said he has a masters in finance or something, but only add up to 30-40% of P4 syllabus = =
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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 21 2008, 11:00 AM)
eh... ACCA below masters meh? My lecturer say she sit for MBA, the syllabus not as wide as ACCA, only alot of reports/assignments.

And according to another of my lecturer, he said he has a masters in finance or something, but only add up to 30-40% of P4 syllabus = =
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I think some considered ACCA is below master bcos of this perception :
Master student : more specialised approach = must know everything about something.
ACCA student : covers wider scope = must know something about everything.

However master in accounting is actually not really "add-value" to accounting proffesion per-se unless you want to do accounting works for the rest of your life which is not very realistic in my opinion. Accounting can be diversed into many other branch like audit, finance, consultant, analyst....
That also applies to engineering. However courses like law & medic requires master / PHD as it was hard for them to diversify.

Some people argued that degree is better, but that was the past since there are more degree holders out there than professional qualification holder.
Once a lecturer of mine (degree holder + ACCA affiliate) told me that degree is good coupled with ACCA but on its own it only show the student good in preparing report, thesis but lack the practical & application. Some ACCA graduates told me they will face difficulties in their early experience
but after they get use the system, ACCA holder can easily leapfrog degree holders as they are condiered more "versatile".

I have a firend who works in PLC who told me that Degree holder in accounting max salary range (incuding experience) around RM 5000 - RM6000.
ACCA holder depends on profession, internal audit/ accounting = RM7000 - 8000, finance > RM8000. Tax was rather specialised as most comp outsourcing it but it ranges around finance range as well.


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Added on July 21, 2008, 1:36 pmAndrew Pang(KSA) and Chan Tze Kang(MCO), which lecturer is better in teaching P4 ?

Thanks for advice.

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Added on July 21, 2008, 1:36 pmAndrew Pang(KSA) and Chan Tze Kang(MCO), which lecturer is better in teaching P4 ?

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Depend lo!

Andrew very strong in calculation, but theory just so so only.

Acording to my friend, Chan Tze Kang can balance in both calculation and theory, just the calculation part not so strong as per Andrew.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 21 2008, 02:09 PM)
Depend lo!

Andrew very strong in calculation, but theory just so so only.

Acording to my friend, Chan Tze Kang can balance in both calculation and theory, just the calculation part not so strong as per Andrew.
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Why not consider Daniel Ho, he is also a veteran on this field. I heard from student feedback he is slightly better than Chan & Andrew bcos he is a finance specialist whilst the other two lecturer generalised in management & finance.

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Why not consider Daniel Ho, he is also a veteran on this field. I heard from student feedback he is slightly better than Chan & Andrew bcos he is a finance specialist whilst the other two lecturer generalised in management & finance.
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Ya, Daniel Ho good oso according to my friend.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 21 2008, 09:12 AM)
For eg, 3.2/P6 paper. examiner treat candidates like tax adviser. Can you get 50m with just 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing?

Just remember in ACCA, study and exam can be difference story. For eg in P1, do you think examiner will ask you" What is CG, What is openness, Define Risk Assessment and etc?" 

And do you know some paper like P3, actually is a mixed of few subject for the student study in Uni? I got a lot of friend from uni, they go to take ACCA after get degree. Majority of them feel that ACCA was very difficult even ACCA only need us to get 50m.

One of my friend take P3 last sitting, she know the business model very well and can memorise it very well. But the problem was she don't know how to apply it to the case. Another problem was she feel that unfair for this paper cos the senario in Sec B question too long and until she only can answer the question without fully read the senario.

Can you imaging in 3 hours exam, you need to apply a lot of theory in the question for that paper, still easy? But may be for you, ACCA is easy than degree course, but for others ppl, ACCA is very hard.

We always remember, ACCA qualification was higher than Degree and below Master.
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Well, you said it yourself.

- If you can memorise the theory and can't apply it,
- If you can't read a simple story and understand it inside 3 hours (unfair?)
- If you can't put your knowledge down on paper effectively

...your studying is fail and you should rightfully fail. Come on, how hard is it to wrap your head around some concepts with real life examples? Sure I concede that for technical papers such as tax and finance you need to hit the books, but it's no different than trying to memorise what the sultan-sultan melaka did back in form 2. If ask you to explain a bit also cannot, yet you can pass an engineering or programming paper beautifully, it's obvious your talent lies in that direction.

And as for your friend, I think she wouldn't want herself to pass as well. Can you imagine what the standard of acca will be like, if you can't even satisfy the minimum requirements and can still pass? Now that would be really unfair to you and me. If she has problems reading stories in english, perhaps she should work on her reading comprehension, or practise her writing and thinking by doing more past year papers. I don't see why the 3 hour limit is a problem, she has taken 10+ papers until P3 and should be used to the exact same conditions as all the previous papers. Do you think you will have 3 hours to read a one-page document at work?

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I think you can distinguish degree and ACCA this way like SPM.
Degree : your SPM trial (your score depends on your school reputation like premier school, teachers ability & experience)
: your degree class (depend on which university / college you belong to)

ACCA : your real SPM (you do not know who marks your paper, neither the marker knew you as well)
: ACCA qualification (every one sits for the same paper).

Most people said trial exam in "Malaysia" are tougher than the real one. However with paper like ACCA which cater to students world wide it is not
practical to set it at low difficulty level but setting it at a reasonable level. Degree diffculty is more likely at the discretion of respective university, can you compare the Ivy league with our local college shocking.gif . One must know also that the marking scheme for degree is very subjective depending on the course material as well.

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You are basically slapping your own face....

QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 21 2008, 07:48 PM)
Well, you said it yourself.

- If you can memorise the theory and can't apply it,
- If you can't read a simple story and understand it inside 3 hours (unfair?)
- If you can't put your knowledge down on paper effectively
I thought you say:
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When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing.

So your 40% Logic, 20% Guesswork and some good writing skills now requires some application knowledge, memorising skill, read the whole stories in less than 3 hours and put your knowledge on paper effectively?

I thought you said it's blardy easy?


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...your studying is fail and you should rightfully fail. Come on, how hard is it to wrap your head around some concepts with real life examples? Sure I concede that for technical papers such as tax and finance you need to hit the books, but it's no different than trying to memorise what the sultan-sultan melaka did back in form 2. If ask you to explain a bit also cannot, yet you can pass an engineering or programming paper beautifully, it's obvious your talent lies in that direction.

Because technical papers are nothing much like sultan sultan melaka where they've dead and they won't change unlike our exam.

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And as for your friend, I think she wouldn't want herself to pass as well. Can you imagine what the standard of acca will be like, if you can't even satisfy the minimum requirements and can still pass? Now that would be really unfair to you and me. If she has problems reading stories in english, perhaps she should work on her reading comprehension, or practise her writing and thinking by doing more past year papers. I don't see why the 3 hour limit is a problem, she has taken 10+ papers until P3 and should be used to the exact same conditions as all the previous papers. Do you think you will have 3 hours to read a one-page document at work?

I thought you said


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Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.


Therefore, I rest my case.
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^ well said. U guys have really good argument / debating skills. Shit, i better buckle up on that too, before facing the real world biggrin.gif
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^ well said. U guys have really good argument / debating skills. Shit, i better buckle up on that too, before facing the real world biggrin.gif
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I'm just saying acca is one of the easiest courses, not that you can take a crap on the exam paper and pass. All the skills asked from exam candidates are ones they should already have - reading, writing, reasoning, simple calculation. If you can't fulfill the minimum requirements, well, there is little hope of passing. Anything wrong with that?

If you find reading some short stories about fictional companies and answering questions based on your knowledge and reasoning is too difficult, perhaps it's not really the qualification for you since our IPTA will always give you a passing mark smile.gif The syllabus doesn't ask that much from students: here is a book, read it and remember some standards, models and theory, understand and apply them to the questions provided, which are usually similar to past year questions. You have six months. Doesn't sound too hard to me.

You sound rather angry. Perhaps you feel I am belittling your accomplishment because you studied so hard for the exams? That you've put in 110% of yourself and passed (I hope)? Perhaps you had to relearn a language, rent a room to study, work to pay for the course, wallpaper your room with a dictionary, etc. Your own accomplishments are for yourself to value, and no one can take that from you.

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Is there any different between ACCA and any other courses then?

It's basically the same thing!

Understand it, apply it!

If you look backward, you're saying ACCA is a course where we can laid back, remain steady... shaking legs during lectures. During exam, using some logic and random reasoning will gets you a pass.

That's what you said.

We disagree as you're providing a wrong information. ACCA is not as simple as ABC. We've been through that, we know it. We work hard during lectures to remain clear of those models and standards, we makes notes, we've been through all the sweats and hard works, not shaking legs as what you said...

We deserve the hard work. We work as hard as those uni student unlike what you've said.

IF they can't make it, there's something wrong in their attitudes in study or they dont deserve to be in the course!

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As if we're using the six months for only 1 subject whistling.gif whistling.gif
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Well, you said it yourself.

- If you can memorise the theory and can't apply it,
- If you can't read a simple story and understand it inside 3 hours (unfair?)
- If you can't put your knowledge down on paper effectively

...your studying is fail and you should rightfully fail. Come on, how hard is it to wrap your head around some concepts with real life examples? Sure I concede that for technical papers such as tax and finance you need to hit the books, but it's no different than trying to memorise what the sultan-sultan melaka did back in form 2. If ask you to explain a bit also cannot, yet you can pass an engineering or programming paper beautifully, it's obvious your talent lies in that direction.

And as for your friend, I think she wouldn't want herself to pass as well. Can you imagine what the standard of acca will be like, if you can't even satisfy the minimum requirements and can still pass? Now that would be really unfair to you and me. If she has problems reading stories in english, perhaps she should work on her reading comprehension, or practise her writing and thinking by doing more past year papers. I don't see why the 3 hour limit is a problem, she has taken 10+ papers until P3 and should be used to the exact same conditions as all the previous papers. Do you think you will have 3 hours to read a one-page document at work?
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Please DO NOT to treat yourself same as other ppl. You can do, not means other ppl also can do.

Memorise by hard not means can apply. When you don't understand examiner requirement, no matter how good your memory, you also will fail.

Don't treat ACCA exam is SPM exam. SPM only a very basic foundation knowledge exam, but ACCA is prof exam. A lot of subject in SPM, the reason we go to study was just for exam. But in ACCA, the exam is very practical. We need a lot of understand, analysis and application for the prof level paper. For eg, in 3.2, you CAN'T do tax planning if you just memorise tax com by hard without understand the concept of it.

Exam always is not fair, just don't have other better solution, so we have to take exam. In 3 hours, you can't expect everybody can come out same volumn of knowledge. If 2 student, A and B go for exam. A can write out a lot of thing within 3 hours, but B can't do, but it is not means that A will be better than B.

You can finish the P3 question on time and write very well, not means other ppl can also can finish within 3 hours. And also it is not mean that your knowledge was better than those ppl can also can't finish within 3 hours.

Talk about my friend, she don't have the problem reading english, but just can't read so much story within 3 hours.

Exam and work is difference story, don't compare it.

You want to talk about work, Ha Ha I'm working ppl. Sorry lo, when you are working, the boss won't request you come out a lot of thing within 3 hours. The boss also don't request you to read and do so many question in 3 hours. During working, I always can refer back to FRS, Tax and etc material when I forgot already. I don't memorise all the FRS by hard during working hours. Even lawyer doing the case, he/she also need to refer back to material.



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You want to talk about work, Ha Ha I'm working ppl. Sorry lo, when you are working, the boss won't request you come out a lot of thing within 3 hours. The boss also don't request you to read and do so many question in 3 hours. During working, I always can refer back to FRS, Tax and etc material when I forgot already. I don't memorise all the FRS by hard during working hours. Even lawyer doing the case, he/she also need to refer back to material.
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This gives you no advantages at all in working world.

A Professional will always act like a professional. By referring back to material, you're in doubt with your own knowledge. Your clients is gonna lose their confident with you. You should buckle up more if you plan to climb the corporate ladder in future.

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Ok guys, I think its obvious that when you completed ACCA the first thing first is to apply job with the Big4. But ACCA graduate has a wide scope of job for them right? I have few questions here.

Does JPA recognize ACCA? Will I be able to work with government sector? If I become accountant with JPA, do I have to work under someone who is ACCA affliate/member in order to get my 3 years working experience.


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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jul 22 2008, 11:25 AM)
This gives you no advantages at all in working world.

A Professional will always act like a professional. By referring back to material, you're in doubt with your own knowledge. Your clients is gonna lose their confident with you. You should buckle up more if you plan to climb the corporate ladder in future.
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I said I don't memorise by hard, not means that I don't know the FRS. Memorise by hard and application is difference story. For eg, we should know what was in the FRS 2 for Share based payment but not every single wording in the FRS 2. Unless you keep on continue to use same FRS for few times, otherwise if want to know further detail, then need to refer back.

One more thing, do you think your client interest to know FRS? Your client only interest the Profit figures and less tax paying. If you keep on to talk FRS infront him/her, I can 100% sure you will kena marah.

And Do you think the auditor can tell client everything without refer back to the FRS material?

We should understand the FRS and know how apply it in the work, not memorise by hard.

And there was no add value if you just memorise FRS by hard but don't know how to apply it.

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I said I don't memorise by hard, not means that I don't know the FRS. Memorise by hard and application is difference story. For eg, we should know what was in the FRS 2 for Share based payment but not every single wording in the FRS 2. Unless you keep on continue to use same FRS for few times, otherwise if want to know further detail, then need to refer back.

One more thing, do you think your client interest to know FRS? Your client only interest the Profit figures and less tax paying. If you keep on to talk FRS infront him/her, I can 100% sure you will kena marah.

And Do you think the auditor can tell client everything without refer back to the FRS material?

We should understand the FRS and know how apply it in the work, not memorise by hard.

And there was no add value if you just memorise FRS by hard but don't know how to apply it.
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Of course, as a consultant, you explain to your client in layman terms. But that doesn't means you don't have to know every single things in FRS.

For example: Your clients ask you for treatment for share based payment in some 'special circumstances' in which may require different treatment.. While you just know about General treatment on SBPayment, then how you going to answer your client? Wait, I refer back to my textbook??? Hell No!

My lecturer once told me, we only can act professionally when we're backup by knowledge. My Lecturer dont need to refers back to FRS whenever we ask her questions. That's the professionalism we talks about! This is the spirits!

Remember that we're professional, that's differentiate us with any other person out there that can provides same services too. Differences? we conduct our job in a more professional manner.

Else, tell me what's the different between getting advice from consultant and half-baked student?

Just my 2cts. No intention to flame you or what so ever.


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QUOTE(z3171600 @ Jul 22 2008, 12:38 PM)
Ok guys, I think its obvious that when you completed ACCA the first thing first is to apply job with the Big4. But ACCA graduate has a wide scope of job for them right? I have few questions here.

Does JPA recognize ACCA? Will I be able to work with government sector? If I become accountant with JPA, do I have to work under someone who is ACCA affliate/member in order to get my 3 years working experience.
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ACCA Grads can be quite well versed in which their syllabus gives them quite complete coverage on every sectors either in Financial, Management related.

By working in the audit firms (esp Big4), you get higher chances to experience more in depth about how business is done in MNCs.

You've to work in related industries to get your 3 yr working experience. Such as audit, account related industries..

About the JPA stuff, i dont really remember, I guess you've to called up the MoE to confirm.

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Of course, as a consultant, you explain to your client in layman terms. But that doesn't means you don't have to know every single things in FRS.

For example: Your clients ask you for treatment for share based payment in some 'special circumstances' in which may require different treatment.. While you just know about General treatment on SBPayment, then how you going to answer your client? Wait, I refer back to my textbook??? Hell No!

My lecturer once told me, we only can act professionally when we're backup by knowledge. My Lecturer dont need to refers back to FRS whenever we ask her questions. That's the professionalism we talks about! This is the spirits!

Remember that we're professional, that's differentiate us with any other person out there that can provides same services too. Differences? we conduct our job in a more professional manner.

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Please don't compare your lecturer with commercial ppl. Your lecturer will teach the FRS every day and keep on to update the FRS when new thing coming. His responsilbility is teach the student FRS.

But for commercial ppl, no. The commercial ppl only interest the profit and paid less tax. I have the experience in both audit firm and commercial firm. When you talk more thing for FRS to your client, I'm 100% sure he will snap you back said "your auditor only know FRS and don't know what we done in the commercial world."

If you don't believe me, then try to talk every single word in the FRS to business man. See what happen?

In the commercial world, ppl only interest in biz and not FRS. FRS for them is only the rules to follow, they won't interest for every single word in FRS.

Business is practical, even you memorise every single word in FRS by hard but don't know how to apply it in the business, then it was no value.

For me, most important was must update and know what happen in FRS, but not memorise every single word by hard.

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Please don't compare your lecturer with commercial ppl. Your lecturer will teach the FRS every day and keep on to update the FRS when new thing coming. His responsilbility is teach the student FRS.

But for commercial ppl, no. The commercial ppl only interest the profit and paid less tax. I have the experience in both audit firm and commercial firm. When you talk more thing for FRS to your client, I'm 100% sure he will snap you back said "your auditor only know FRS and don't know what we done in the commercial world."

If you don't believe me, then try to talk every single word in the FRS to business man. See what happen?

In the commercial world, ppl only interest in biz and not FRS. FRS for them is only the rules to follow, they won't interest for every single word in FRS.

Business is practical, even you memorise every single word in FRS by hard but don't know how to apply it in the business, then it was no value.

For me, most important was must update and know what happen in FRS, but not memorise every single word by hard.
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Nonono.. Dont get me wrong...

Clients : Need Advice [Like what you've said, Profit and Pay lesser Tax]
refer
Auditor/Accountant/Consultant : Giving Advice [How to pay lesser Tax and make more profit]
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Their own knowledge...

You dont have to equip yourself with all the knowledge, but the more knowledge you equipped, the better you're in differentiating between yourself and your peers. That's why some of the audit partners are so young, while majority of them are middle age.

The more knowledge you've, the more you can act as professional, and like my lecturer said: You only can confident to act professionally when you're backup by sufficient knowledge.

The more confident you're, the more confident you're client be with you.

That's the real world.

Businessman need things fast, cheap, reliable!
Fast: They want it now, means now! Not wait you to go home find textbook!
Cheap: If A can offer the same thing or better and still charging cheaper, there goes your client.
Reliable: Meeting deadline or better if you can finish before deadline. But they gives u limited time frame.
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Nonono.. Dont get me wrong...

Clients : Need Advice [Like what you've said, Profit and Pay lesser Tax]
refer
Auditor/Accountant/Consultant : Giving Advice [How to pay lesser Tax and make more profit]
refer
Their own knowledge...

You dont have to equip yourself with all the knowledge, but the more knowledge you equipped, the better you're in differentiating between yourself and your peers. That's why some of the audit partners are so young, while majority of them are middle age.

The more knowledge you've, the more you can act as professional, and like my lecturer said: You only can confident to act professionally when you're backup by sufficient knowledge.

The more confident you're, the more confident you're client be with you.

That's the real world.

Businessman need things fast, cheap, reliable!
Fast: They want it now, means now! Not wait you to go home find textbook!
Cheap: If A can offer the same thing or better and still charging cheaper, there goes your client.
Reliable: Meeting deadline or better if you can finish before deadline. But they gives u limited time frame.
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Need Advice not means they are interest in FRS. They only interest whether you can filing the accounts on time.

Don't just listen to what your lecturer said cos he was not business man.

I can tell you that, if you can use difference way to advise to make client happy and at the same time also follow the thing in FRS, then you will consider good consultant. It is better than you just keep on telling your client every single word in FRS without better solution.

Ok, when you go to work, please advise your client by telling them every single word in FRS, then you will know what will happen.

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 22 2008, 02:55 PM)
Need Advice not means they are interest in FRS. They only interest whether you can filing the accounts on time.

Don't just listen to what your lecturer said cos he was not business man.

Ok, when you go to work, please advise your client by telling them every single word in FRS, then you will know what will happen.
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Of course they dont need every single word, you've to explain to them in layman term.. And give them direction on how to get things done properly.

But if you do not have the sufficient knowledge, how you going to advice your client?

How confident you are? Especially when handlings big projects such as details in Tax Incentives. Circumstances arises and etc, you've to explain those to your client...

FRS is merely an example...
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jul 22 2008, 03:00 PM)
Of course they dont need every single word, you've to explain to them in layman term.. And give them direction on how to get things done properly.

But if you do not have the sufficient knowledge, how you going to advice your client?

How confident you are? Especially when handlings big projects such as details in Tax Incentives. Circumstances arises and etc, you've to explain those to your client...

FRS is merely an example...
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That's why I said lo, we must keep on to update and know what happen in FRS, but not memorise by hard. We must know to use it practical and not just telling client every single word in ACT or FRS.

You must tell you client how to do based on your knowledge and experience and not FRS.

Working experience is always important than FRS.

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That's why I said lo, we must keep on to update and know what happen in FRS, but not memorise by hard. We must know to use it practical and not just telling client every single word in ACT or FRS.
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doh.gif Not only keep on update. Whatever updated u've to stick it in your mind (Aren't that call memorising?)!

Recently I just scold my <auditor cum tax> assistant, reason: She dont know the deadline of declaring dividend from sec108 account!

And I'm losing confident with her!
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doh.gif Not only keep on update. Whatever updated u've to stick it in your mind (Aren't that call memorising?)!

Recently I just scold my <auditor cum tax> assistant, reason: She dont know the deadline of declaring dividend from sec108 account!

And I'm losing confident with her!
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Sorry lo, working experience is important than FRS.

Nobody will interest your FRS when you working in commercial, but interest in your wroking experience.



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i m currently taking F1-F4..my F1 lecturer is new & fresh, having no experience in teaching any professional course b4..he seems like going too slow during the class..i m afraid that he might not be able to cover all the syllabus b4 exam..=(

as for F4, is it enough to juz study lecturer's notes without referring to any text book?r we tested on what v hav learnt from the lecturer? i mean like malaysian law and legal system instead of England legal system?
i can't seem to find any revision kit or practice question or text book for F4..
any advice on how to pass this paper?

thx for advice =)

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i m currently taking F1-F4..my F1 lecturer is new & fresh, having no experience in teaching any professional course b4..he seems like going too slow during the class..i m afraid that he might not be able to cover all the syllabus b4 exam..=(

as for F4, is it enough to juz study lecturer's notes without referring to any text book?r we tested on what v hav learnt from the lecturer? i mean like malaysian law and legal system instead of England legal system?
i can't seem to find any revision kit or practice question or text book for F4..
any advice on how to pass this paper?

thx for advice =)
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I don't know where you study or which lecturer you're under so i cannot comment on the lecturer notes.
However i have develop a reliable method to tackle "F4" only.

You will notice that F4 is the only syllabus in ACCA which requires 90% - 100% memorisation or "copy & paste".
1) practice past year question (each at least 3 times).
2) if can memorise 1 case law per section, like offer (1), torts (1).....
3) biz law + complany law = 50%, agency / partnership = 10%, employment = 10%, source of legal system = 10%, others i'm not sure but judging from past trends, its almost like this.

You cant find text book bcos different country has different variant (like tax). Malaysia covered a slightly more compared to other countries like singapore ACCA variant. Bpp & kaplan will not be probably printing malaysian law shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


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Sorry lo, working experience is important than FRS.

Nobody will interest your FRS when you working in commercial, but interest in your wroking experience.
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Actually some companies in Malaysia during interview they will inquire candidate a real life scenario of their company & ask how to deal with it
base on their "updated" knowledge on FRS + experience. I notice that most companies "takes little notice" of FRS until they must deal with specific
scenario which requires deliberation.

For example, A comp purchase a building (property). They have different approaches to treat it with either as FRS Property Plant & Equipment OR
FRS Investment property. Now comes the accountant to deliver the application by filtering the stds relevant info to their employer (who maybe have zero a/c knowledge). It is our duty to disclose necessary infos like
What to do ?
What we cant do & why ?
What is the consequence ?

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I don't know where you study or which lecturer you're under so i cannot comment on the lecturer notes.
However i have develop a reliable method to tackle "F4" only.

You will notice that F4 is the only syllabus in ACCA which requires 90% - 100% memorisation or "copy & paste".
1) practice past year question (each at least 3 times).
2) if can memorise 1 case law per section, like offer (1), torts (1).....
3) biz law + complany law = 50%, agency / partnership = 10%, employment = 10%, source of legal system = 10%, others i'm not sure but judging  from past trends, its almost like this.

You cant find text book bcos different country has different variant (like tax). Malaysia covered a slightly more compared to other countries like singapore ACCA variant. Bpp & kaplan will not be probably printing malaysian law shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif


Added on July 22, 2008, 6:37 pm

Actually some companies in Malaysia during interview they will inquire candidate a real life scenario of their company & ask how to deal with it
base on their "updated" knowledge on FRS + experience. I notice that most companies "takes little notice" of FRS until they must deal with specific
scenario which requires deliberation.

For example, A comp purchase a building (property). They have different approaches to treat it with either as FRS Property Plant & Equipment OR
FRS Investment property. Now comes the accountant to deliver the application by filtering the stds relevant info to their employer (who maybe have zero a/c knowledge). It is our duty to disclose necessary infos like
What to do ?
What we cant do & why ?
What is the consequence ?
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Ok guys, I think its obvious that when you completed ACCA the first thing first is to apply job with the Big4. But ACCA graduate has a wide scope of job for them right? I have few questions here.

Does JPA recognize ACCA? Will I be able to work with government sector? If I become accountant with JPA, do I have to work under someone who is ACCA affliate/member in order to get my 3 years working experience.
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If anyone else know about this please mention it in the thread. I will call ACCA Malaysia tomorrow. Hopefully they can help me with this.
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Anyone have BPP F5 textbook that you're not using right now? And from Sunway University College?

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LOL. Borrow it from the library and renew every fortnightly! biggrin.gif
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Lol. Chun Tung? I checked the database and all the books were borrowed.

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LOL. Borrow it from the library and renew every fortnightly! biggrin.gif
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So many pages @.@
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Eh. Private info must not be divulged. Em..What about public libraries? Friends from other colleges who can borrow it for u? Eg. INTI?
The last option you can consider is going to MV MPH and purchase one! tongue.gif
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Brand new is too expensive. Trying to buy second hand or to borrow one.
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Sigh, just called ACCA Malaysia and they have been unable to help me. Asked them regarding JPA thingy and the women who was talking to me was clueless. Asked some other question and she keep put me on hold and needed to check from somewhere else.


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P4 - Daniel Ho - where is he teaching?
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refer 1st page... dont be so lazy la...

ACCA student cannot lazy....

Daniel Ho (FTMS) *august07 intake only
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got 1 shop near sunway 3 cents per page only ^^, provided u photocopy more than 100 pages.

oh crap, im not advertising btw biggrin.gif
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What is the name of the shop?

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erm, u know just outside the upper side gate, got 1 photostat shop, that one is 4 cents, u go to the one behind instead (its front door is actually the back door, facing the alley) = =
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Thanks for the info!
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Sigh, just called ACCA Malaysia and they have been unable to help me. Asked them regarding JPA thingy and the women who was talking to me was clueless. Asked some other question and she keep put me on hold and needed to check from somewhere else.
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it's ur bad luck. i thinks the lady is not the right person to answer u.

what do u wan to find out about JPA thing regards with ACCA?
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Well, something like if I completed ACCA, can I work with JPA with that qualification. But its ok though. I've sent an email as well to 3 of the executives and 2 reply. And I got the answer for what I'm looking for.
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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 23 2008, 04:58 PM)
got 1 shop near sunway 3 cents per page only ^^, provided u photocopy more than 100 pages.

oh crap, im not advertising btw biggrin.gif
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Added on July 25, 2008, 9:51 pmhey! anyone know that the following sitting of CAT passing rate gonna increase to 50 / 55 marks!! *pending to publish*
and after completed ACCA need to have a 'exam' [ an interview ]that qualifying an accountant reputation or what that i'd forgot. *pending!*
so worry this... my lecturer advised to get ACCA as soon as possible that you can otherwise have sit for 'exams exams'.
is it true?

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Anyone done OBU degree before? Is there a necessity for it?

With the latest revision, we have to complete the ACCA Professional Ethics module (Paper P1) prior submitting our project :'(
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Anyone done OBU degree before? Is there a necessity for it?

With the latest revision, we have to complete the ACCA Professional Ethics module (Paper P1) prior submitting our project :'(
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I think its useful fer person who intend to work after completing part 2 ACCA.. otherwise u will only get a job in small or medium size co. I'm waitin fer my result this monday, hope will pass.. sad.gif

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do BPP publish study text for F4 n F6 for Malaysia variant?
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Anyone done OBU degree before? Is there a necessity for it?

With the latest revision, we have to complete the ACCA Professional Ethics module (Paper P1) prior submitting our project :'(
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I don't think we have to complete P1 to submit the OBU. If i'm not wrong, as long as u have completed F1-F9, then can submit already. Well, i'm currently doing it, and planning on submitting this october, but im still waiting for F5,8,9 results:p . But if cannot submit, i think my lecturer would have told me kua, so i don't think ull have to complete P1 before submitting.
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Can I become an ACCA member after finished graduation from BACC in UNITAR?
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KSA students,

Hi..i've just finish my LCCI papers not long ago and waiting for results(result coming out on August). I'm planning to pursue ACCA(full time). As i know, there's only 2 intakes in a year for ACCA, so i decided to go for January 2009 intake in KSA as i already missed the July one..
And here's my questions:- (KSA student answer me pls)

1) Got September intake for part 1 in Ksa?

2) I've saw the timetable on ksa website, example F1A is for full time and F1B is for part time.
I don't understand what F1AB stands for. Combined class or i get to choose either one?
Full time student have to attend evening class too??(6.30pm-9.30pm?)Not just morning and afternoon?
Its like so dangerous at night as in KL petaling street area, i have to take public tranport home alone.

=) TQ
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Can I become an ACCA member after finished graduation from BACC in UNITAR?
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Added on July 26, 2008, 5:27 pm
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KSA students,

Hi..i've just finish my LCCI papers not long ago and waiting for results(result coming out on August). I'm planning to pursue ACCA(full time). As i know, there's only 2 intakes in a year for ACCA, so i decided to go for January 2009 intake in KSA as i already missed the July one..
And here's my questions:- (KSA student answer me pls)

1) Got September intake for part 1 in Ksa?

2) I've saw the timetable on ksa website, example F1A is for full time and F1B is for part time.
I don't understand what F1AB stands for. Combined class or i get to choose either one?
Full time student have to attend evening class too??(6.30pm-9.30pm?)Not just morning and afternoon?
Its like so dangerous at night as in KL petaling street area, i have to take public tranport home alone.

=) TQ
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1) Actually no, but you can go to their "2nd term" class, since you have seated for LCCI (it won't be that difficult / different).
You only have to pay for that 2nd term. At most you only sacrifised a few lessons (can catch up very quick one).

2) F1AB means you need to attend the class with "part-time" student. For example if full-time = 50 students, part time = 50 students, then total 100.
AB class normally conducted in weekends so part-timers (who may be working in weekdays) can participate as well.
Most lecturers do this for convenience (2 in 1) means they teach once enough already.
Actually everywhere is dangerous, be careful lo smile.gif

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Oh i see...But i still can't attend the second term. As i know, the second term is on the 23rd of august. My result coming out around end of August =(
Anyways, thank you!
At least i know is combined class, gotta go there ealier and sit in front then..

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I don't know where you study or which lecturer you're under so i cannot comment on the lecturer notes.
However i have develop a reliable method to tackle "F4" only.

You will notice that F4 is the only syllabus in ACCA which requires 90% - 100% memorisation or "copy & paste".
1) practice past year question (each at least 3 times).
2) if can memorise 1 case law per section, like offer (1), torts (1).....
3) biz law + complany law = 50%, agency / partnership = 10%, employment = 10%, source of legal system = 10%, others i'm not sure but judging  from past trends, its almost like this.

You cant find text book bcos different country has different variant (like tax). Malaysia covered a slightly more compared to other countries like singapore ACCA variant. Bpp & kaplan will not be probably printing malaysian law shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

ur reply is really helpful =) thx so much ! smile.gif
umm..i m studying in ftms now~
where can i find practice questions for F4? which gbookstore or which publisher?
what does case law mean?
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ur reply is really helpful =) thx so much !  smile.gif
umm..i m studying in ftms now~
where can i find practice questions for F4? which gbookstore or which publisher?
what does case law mean?
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Practice question : you can download it from ACCA website (but its very tedious lo), try to ask from friends.
You can try from June 2002 to june 08 (you won't pass but you will score) notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Text book : F4 & F6 has different variant (so Bpp & kaplan don't publish it here) shakehead.gif
maybe you can try looking for it at major book store. (Mph, popular)
If you have friends studying at kasturi (viknes), they have it (but didn't covered business law) & price > RM10. hmm.gif

Case law : this means that every section (major chapter) has a case / story assigned to it.
Like abuse of power (they got turquand case),
In exam, you need to quote the case law name (le : Balfour vs Balfour), then explain a bit (2 lines will be enough). tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chee_yen89 @ Jul 26 2008, 06:42 PM)
Oh i see...But i still can't attend the second term. As i know, the second term is on the 23rd of august. My result coming out around end of August =(
Anyways, thank you!
At least i know is combined class, gotta go there ealier and sit in front then..

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our exam result also coming out soon!!!..^^

LCCI result coming out earlier than ACCA?


Added on July 27, 2008, 6:58 pmone more question , F4 past year paper , where can I get ?
I saw accaglobal only hv 2007 n 08 question n 07 answer..



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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 18 2008, 12:34 AM)
Are you crazy? ACCA is one of the easiest professional courses in the world. Just need to sit there and shake leg when the lecturer teach, then go home forget everything is normal. When exam just dish out some random reasoning and hope it makes sense. Just think, you need just 50% of the marks for an exam to pass, that's like answering one question wrong for every one you answer right. At most you have to study for the financial accounting papers, F7 and P2. The rest is mostly 40% logic, 20% guesswork and some good writing. Once i saw an entire 50 mark 3.3 question that even a high school student could answer perfectly.

You should go to any public university and see your peers struggle because they have no idea what the hell their esteemed lecturers are saying - it's probably even worse than primary school. Some people I know said they would never have gotten through uni classes if not for lots of support from seniors.

If you signed up for one of those hardcore colleges which churn out top scorers every semester then it's no use complaining, you are getting your money's worth of 'education' laugh.gif For me it's just one long holiday with short periods of stress and panic laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kuntaker @ Jul 27 2008, 06:55 PM)
our exam result also coming out soon!!!..^^

LCCI result coming out earlier than ACCA?


Added on July 27, 2008, 6:58 pmone more question  , F4 past year paper , where can I get ?
I saw accaglobal only hv 2007 n 08 question n 07 answer..
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Hey dude, this link provide the things you want.

http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...rofessional/mys

Hope it helps smile.gif

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In Malaysia , I heard got quota one right?

still wondering....
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Lol quotas are just rumour rumour, but ACCA came out with a statement when results were out by saying that there were no quotas when deciding who passes or fails.
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oh?
well...
if that the case, is much better..^^
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Practice question : you can download it from ACCA website (but its very tedious lo), try to ask from friends.
                            You can try from June 2002 to june 08 (you won't pass but you will score) notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Text book : F4 & F6 has different variant (so Bpp & kaplan don't publish it here) shakehead.gif
                  maybe you can try looking for it at major book store. (Mph, popular)
                If you have friends studying at kasturi (viknes), they have it (but didn't covered business law) & price > RM10. hmm.gif

Case law : this means that every section (major chapter) has a case / story assigned to it.
                Like abuse of power (they got turquand case),
                In exam, you need to quote the case law name (le : Balfour vs Balfour), then explain a bit (2 lines will be enough). tongue.gif
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i won pass but i wil score?
what does it really mean?
umm..it's advisable to juz follow wat our lecturer teaches and askes us to do, then download and practise pass year papers to get ourselves prepared for the exam?

thz =)
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i won pass but i wil score?
what does it really mean?
umm..it's advisable to juz follow wat our lecturer teaches and askes us to do, then download and practise pass year papers to get ourselves prepared for the exam?

thz =)
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Oh its actually one of my lecturer jokes that not only you will pass but you will score high marks.
Actually one can never believe / absorb lecturers teachings 100%. You need to be a bit sceptical & ask questions about things you are not familiar with. F4 is the most unrelated topic to accounting but vital for knowledge like (history lo yawn.gif )

It is better if you can combine your lecturer notes with past year answers it will certainly "add-value". Don't worry about application bcos there is not
much to test about law (since few changes). But becareful of corporate governance & tots since its new syllabus.

If you notice past year answers are generic (copy & paste) like utra vires, they repeated it >5 times from year 2000. Answer exactly the same.
Mostly lecturer job in F4 is to teach students about the law section background but answer you have to memorise yourself. Work hard lo. smile.gif
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Hi guys, my gf is taking acca now. she is facing some problems that i hope i can help her and i come across this thread from internet.
Please try to help to answer question below. Thank you very much.

1. can anybody advise me for F5 revision class when it started? Which one, Mcorange , ksa will have good lecturer? How much the intensive class cost?
2. Any smart method to study F5, becouse she is sitting in coming exam and she is self study. She spends many times on it.
3. Anybody have Dec 2007, June 2008 pass year question for F5, F8 (International), & F9 (Int)

Thanks again.

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Hi guys,  my gf is taking acca now. she is facing some problems that i hope i can help her and i come across this thread from internet.
Please try to help to answer question below. Thank you very much.

1. can anybody advise me for F5 revision class when it started? Which one, Mcorange , ksa will have good lecturer? How much the intensive class cost?
2. Any smart method to study F5, becouse she is sitting in coming exam and she is self study. She spends many times on it.
3. Anybody have Dec 2007, June 2008 pass year question for F5, F8 (International), & F9 (Int)

Thanks again.
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1. Revision class normally starts 1 month before exam (in november) Regarding colleges I can't really recommend on revision effectiveness since
it will depend on your gf normal classes coverage. if its a "one-off" revision it depends on the needs.
I can recommend a few like chin ann (kolej bandar) & andrew pang (KSA). Others i am not too sure of.
The cost normally range from RM100 - RM300 depending again on the college. (normally six sessions = 18 hours)

2. F5 was a split off from a part 2 paper which combines (finance & management). I can say that F5 has the lowest pass rate among Fundamental
papers (since lack exposure & past year question to practice on). Self study can be a bit hard since you do not know "key" areas to focus on.
I am sorry that i don't know any reliable technic since (memorisation & practice don't work much). It needs good knowledge & reasoning to pass
this paper.

3. Past year question can be download at ACCa global website. If you want to go beyond (this is not recommended bcos)
F5 & F9 has no specific past year paper to practice on (can take partially only)
F8 current examiner alan lewin has a different approach compared to past examiner (Catherine).
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A friend of mine suddenly want to do ACCA but I've told her that the deadline for registration is today right? But she told me that she read from ACCA website it is on middle of August. Which is correct guys?
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A friend of mine suddenly want to do ACCA but I've told her that the deadline for registration is today right? But she told me that she read from ACCA website it is on middle of August. Which is correct guys?
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31/7 is the deadline to register through Malaysia office. 15/8 is the global deadline.
in the case that your friend missed 31/7, she could register via online by 15/8.
check this out.
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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Jul 31 2008, 11:43 PM)
31/7 is the deadline to register through Malaysia office. 15/8 is the global deadline.
in the case that your friend missed 31/7, she could register via online by 15/8.
check this out.
hope it helps. smile.gif
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Thanks roy, I'll tell that to her. Another question, since she's gonna turn 21 in 18th august, do you think she still can register for it? She was adamant that she can get in through MSER route because she's gonna turn 21 this year, but isn't it has to be before the deadline?
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hi guys,i just take acca f4 n f5.but i want to self study.
is there anybody have the textbook?cos i want to self study.
and the book n studymaterial is expensive.
can i borrow,photostate and return back to u?
cos i desperately want tp study,but financially not stable to support myself in college.
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QUOTE(michaelsoft @ Aug 2 2008, 10:30 AM)
hi guys,i just take acca f4 n f5.but i want to self study.
is there anybody have the textbook?cos i want to self study.
and the book n studymaterial is expensive.
can i borrow,photostate and return back to u?
cos i desperately want tp study,but financially not stable to support myself in college.
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here i thinking to take these 2 papers for coming sitting too. (hope i can do it)
i searching for one book of F4.. the rest i've got.. erm..i guess that your location is not that near to me right? Wish you luck! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 30 2008, 06:02 PM)
Oh its actually one of my lecturer jokes that not only you will pass but you will score high marks.
Actually one can never believe / absorb lecturers teachings 100%. You need to be a bit sceptical & ask questions about things you are not familiar with. F4 is the most unrelated topic to accounting but vital for knowledge like (history lo yawn.gif )

It is better if you can combine your lecturer notes with past year answers it will certainly "add-value". Don't worry about application bcos there is not
much to test about law (since few changes). But becareful of corporate governance & tots since its new syllabus.

If you notice past year answers are generic (copy & paste) like utra vires, they repeated it >5 times from year 2000. Answer exactly the same.
Mostly lecturer job in F4 is to teach students about the law section background but answer you have to memorise yourself. Work hard lo. smile.gif
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i c..
umm..say my lecturer has gone through the legal system part, but he explained only several parts in details like the sources of Malaysian law, foundamental liberties, subsidiary legislation. The rest of this part, i think, he gave brief explanation, asked us to read ourselves and then ended the topic..
so..does it mean that those parts which he is not reli very focus on, we can pay less attention to it..like juz read it and hav a vague concept and that's it?

umm..so F4 mainly requires us to memorise right? there's no any application of knowledge we learnt?

thz =)
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i c..
umm..say my lecturer has gone through the legal system part, but he explained only several parts in details like the sources of Malaysian law, foundamental liberties, subsidiary legislation. The rest of this part, i think, he gave brief explanation, asked us to read ourselves and then ended the topic..
so..does it mean that those parts which he is not reli very focus on, we can pay less attention to it..like juz read it and hav a vague concept and that's it?

umm..so F4 mainly requires us to memorise right? there's no any application of knowledge we learnt?

thz =)
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Those area you mentioned is "popular" area for exam (tested more than 2 times), so need extra attention.
Other areas is equally important but if hou time constraint this areas are the one you need to prioritise.
If you can remember the keywords is enough already (max 10 marks for this topic) ie : english law is divided into equity & common law.

As an accountant you need a certain degree of law to work comfortably & efficiently. Imagine little / minor area of law you phone the cpmpany's
lawyer or external one (not cheap you know). Plus accountant must know "everything about something" in the organisation to disclose it on the
financial statements.
You must know what to do & don't. Ie : cannot simply reduce share capital, no loan to directors,.....etc. Let say company borrow money from
1 of its many directors. As an accountant (auditor) you know its wrong but you need to hear explanation of company (if any) to justify its actions.

In exam, I can't really think of much application since questions are pretty generic (same every year with minor changes). Since law are not commonly amended like accounting standards, they almost ask the same thing every year.
Its almost like mathemathic theory : past year question (1 + 2 + 3 = 6)
this year question (2 + 1 + 3 = 6)
At most they only change the wordings or names.

Part A : 7 question (all copy & paste)
Part B : 3 scenario based question (basicly the same also but a little twist to it)
- 1 question on biz law (considerations, offer,....etc)
- 2 questions on company law (fix & floating charge, abuse of power, ultra vires,.....etc)
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QUOTE(stephanie0721 @ Aug 2 2008, 09:58 PM)
i c..
umm..say my lecturer has gone through the legal system part, but he explained only several parts in details like the sources of Malaysian law, foundamental liberties, subsidiary legislation. The rest of this part, i think, he gave brief explanation, asked us to read ourselves and then ended the topic..
so..does it mean that those parts which he is not reli very focus on, we can pay less attention to it..like juz read it and hav a vague concept and that's it?

umm..so F4 mainly requires us to memorise right? there's no any application of knowledge we learnt?

thz =)
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Yeah, basically try to remember everything in the book. Pay lots of attention to detail if you can, and drag the answer out for as long as you can - you can see the PYQs for examples. Usually you will score more points if you approach the question with solid reasoning but in a roundabout way. You might want to answer something like this:

Generally, because of (some law), companies are not allowed to (do whatever). This is because (reason). However, in (precedent case), a precedent was set that allowed (something). This is because (reason). Person A's circumstances are somewhat alike to this situation, however perhaps (some doubt exists?). Thusly, if Person A did (this), it would not be lawful under (some law). However, if the situation was (different case), he would be able to (do whatever), as (reason). This is subject to (certain conditions, or a test). Person A should be advised accordingly.

instead of

Yes. Person A can do it. Because (reason).
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Aug 3 2008, 12:03 AM)
Yeah, basically try to remember everything in the book. Pay lots of attention to detail if you can, and drag the answer out for as long as you can - you can see the PYQs for examples. Usually you will score more points if you approach the question with solid reasoning but in a roundabout way. You might want to answer something like this:

Generally, because of (some law), companies are not allowed to (do whatever). This is because (reason). However, in (precedent case), a precedent was set that allowed (something). This is because (reason). Person A's circumstances are somewhat alike to this situation, however perhaps (some doubt exists?). Thusly, if Person A did (this), it would not be lawful under (some law). However, if the situation was (different case), he would be able to (do whatever), as (reason). This is subject to (certain conditions, or a test). Person A should be advised accordingly.

instead of

Yes. Person A can do it. Because (reason).
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wow man! only this...seems not easy to attempt sweat.gif
but still have to pay our heart... doh.gif Oh My God! getting old how going to memory all??
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hi everyone, i have a question here.P2 textbook for last sitting (june 08) still can be used for the next sitting (dec 08) ?is there much changes for the standard or syllabus?
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QUOTE(edith @ Aug 3 2008, 10:42 PM)
hi everyone, i have a question here.P2 textbook for last sitting (june 08) still can be used for the next sitting (dec 08) ?is there much changes for the standard or syllabus?
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There was major changes in the IFRS 3 : Business combinations which will eventually affects other standards as well.
1) minority interest = non controlling interest.
Reasoning = other shareholders fell "inferior" to be called minority.

2) Now in calculation of goodwill, we must account 100% of FV of subsidiary's identifiable net assets which was owned by non-controlling interest &
owners of parent.
Reasoning : Can you tell me that you can split assets like (i own 90% of car rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif ) Which part? how to split ?

Actually last time they treat consol like (parent owns group share of every item)
Ie : (property x 90% + receivables x 90% - payables x 90%)

Now, its almost similar but Non-controlling interest also owns them as well but allocated later :
(property + receivables - payables) = 90% owners of parent & 10% NCI.

The examples above are rather too simplistic & incomplete, but you will get a rough idea about it.

The change in IFRS 3 pretty much restructure the consolidation part (IS & BS) but apart from that no much material changes (for now)
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Eh, that's odd. Wasn't previously consolidation was based on full consolidation of net assets anyway?

I believe what you mean is recognition of goodwill based on a cost of acquisition that also considers NCI's share of goodwill.

Aka, the asset/liability element remains unchanged but the goodwill amount should include those attributable to both the group and the NCI.
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 2 2008, 10:28 PM)
Those area you mentioned is "popular" area for exam (tested more than 2 times), so need extra attention.
Other areas is equally important but if hou time constraint this areas are the one you need to prioritise.
If you can remember the keywords is enough already (max 10 marks for this topic) ie : english law is divided into equity & common law.

As an accountant you need a certain degree of law to work comfortably & efficiently. Imagine little / minor area of law you phone the cpmpany's
lawyer or external one (not cheap you know). Plus accountant must know "everything about something" in the organisation to disclose it on the
financial statements.
You must know what to do & don't. Ie : cannot simply reduce share capital, no loan to directors,.....etc. Let say company borrow money from
1 of its many directors. As an accountant (auditor) you know its wrong but you need to hear explanation of company (if any) to justify its actions.

In exam, I can't really think of much application since questions are pretty generic (same every year with minor changes). Since law are not commonly amended like accounting standards, they almost ask the same thing every year.
Its almost like mathemathic theory : past year question (1 + 2 + 3 = 6)
                                                     this year question (2 + 1 + 3 = 6)
At most they only change the wordings or names.

Part A : 7 question (all copy & paste)
Part B : 3 scenario based question (basicly the same also but a little twist to it)
            - 1 question on biz law (considerations, offer,....etc)
            - 2 questions on company law (fix & floating charge, abuse of power, ultra vires,.....etc)
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i c..
coz v hav no option in the exam unliike few years ago..all questions in f4 r compulsory and we've got no choices =(
if i dun really know or not certain about what to write..then i m doomed to score very low marks or fail =( sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
frequent practice of past year questions and memorising can help in F4 right? umm..hopefully..
i noticed that the doctrine of judicial precedents has been asked twice..but my lecturer didnt go thru it with us..i can't grasp the answer for this once i read it ><


Added on August 5, 2008, 10:24 pm
QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Aug 3 2008, 12:03 AM)
Yeah, basically try to remember everything in the book. Pay lots of attention to detail if you can, and drag the answer out for as long as you can - you can see the PYQs for examples. Usually you will score more points if you approach the question with solid reasoning but in a roundabout way. You might want to answer something like this:

Generally, because of (some law), companies are not allowed to (do whatever). This is because (reason). However, in (precedent case), a precedent was set that allowed (something). This is because (reason). Person A's circumstances are somewhat alike to this situation, however perhaps (some doubt exists?). Thusly, if Person A did (this), it would not be lawful under (some law). However, if the situation was (different case), he would be able to (do whatever), as (reason). This is subject to (certain conditions, or a test). Person A should be advised accordingly.

instead of

Yes. Person A can do it. Because (reason).
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it seems a whit difficult to me to lay such answer sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
err..what do u mean by roundabout way?
is it something like not reli straightaway and simple to the answer?


Added on August 5, 2008, 10:27 pmp/s:
how should i register for the Dec exam..?
do i need to wait for acca to send me an exam form to opt which papers to sit for and which preferable exam center?
i need advice on the whole procedure..
thx a lot =)


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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Aug 5 2008, 08:44 PM)
Eh, that's odd. Wasn't previously consolidation was based on full consolidation of net assets anyway?

I believe what you mean is recognition of goodwill based on a cost of acquisition that also considers NCI's share of goodwill.

Aka, the asset/liability element remains unchanged but the goodwill amount should include those attributable to both the group and the NCI.
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yeah something like that, actually i acn explain better (but scared too long) so i just came out with the simple explanation. I think an extract of draft
will better visualise the changes

Previously Changes
Cost of investment x Consideration transferred x
FV of identifiable net assets at date of acquisition NCi (% x FV of net asset) x
Share capital x x
Pre-acquisition reserves
share premium x
retained earnings x
FV adjustment x
x multiply % of control x FV of net assets x 100% x
Goodwill x x

At the end you get back the same figure for goodwill if you apply Proportionate share of FV of Sub net asset.
The goodwill will have different figure if you apply F.V of m.v of share by NCI just b4 acquisition.

I apologise for any differences of standards material as (i do not know what it looks like when it was posted) sweat.gif sweat.gif


Added on August 5, 2008, 11:41 pmSorry for the above post, let me do justice again (drafting it on table was a disaster) doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
Previous IFRS 3
Cost of investment
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x % of control
= goodwill

Current IFRS 3
Consideration transferred
+ Non-controlling interest (% x FV of net assets at date of acquistion)
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x 100%
= goodwill

Those methods will be applied if use Proportionate share of FV of Sub net asset.
If apply method of F.V of m.v of share by NCI just b4 acquisition. Then question must give m.v of share price of subsidiary (ie : RM3)

Consideration transferred
+ NCI (m.v of share price x no. of shares held by NCI)
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x 100%
= goodwill
But there will be goodwill attributable to NCI at (m.v of share price - % of NCI x Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion)

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hmm.. i see. so how is the NCI calculated then? (parent's portion unchanged, i assume)
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
yeah something like that, actually i acn explain better (but scared too long) so i just came out with the simple explanation. I think an extract of draft
will better visualise the changes

Previously                                                                                                            Changes
Cost of investment                                                                                x                        Consideration transferred                          x
FV of identifiable net assets at date of acquisition                                                      NCi (% x FV of net asset)                        x
Share capital                                              x                                                                                                                                  x
Pre-acquisition reserves                                                                                         
share premium                                            x
retained earnings                                        x
FV adjustment                                        x
                                                                  x    multiply % of control    x                FV of net assets x 100%                            x
Goodwill                                                                                                x                                                                                          x
                                                                                                               
At the end you get back the same figure for goodwill if you apply Proportionate share of FV of Sub net asset.
The goodwill will have different figure if you apply F.V of m.v of share by NCI just b4 acquisition.

I apologise for any differences of standards material as (i do not know what it looks like when it was posted)  sweat.gif  sweat.gif


Added on August 5, 2008, 11:41 pmSorry for the above post, let me do justice again (drafting it on table was a disaster) doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
Previous IFRS 3
Cost of investment
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x % of control
= goodwill

Current IFRS 3
Consideration transferred
+ Non-controlling interest (% x FV of net assets at date of acquistion)
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x 100%
= goodwill

Those methods will be applied if use Proportionate share of FV of Sub net asset.
If apply method of F.V of m.v of share by NCI just b4 acquisition. Then question must give m.v of share price of subsidiary (ie : RM3)

Consideration transferred
+ NCI (m.v of share price x no. of shares held by NCI)
- Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion x 100%
= goodwill
But there will be goodwill attributable to NCI at (m.v of share price - % of NCI x Fv of identifiable net assets at date of acquistion)
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i think we had studied it when we studied for P2 current issues, right?

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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Aug 5 2008, 11:46 PM)
i think we had studied it when we studied for P2 current issues, right?
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yeah. it was under IFRS3 - new developments in June sitting.
but has adopted into standard in Dec sitting. doh.gif cry.gif
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can I ask a q ?
got anyone know how abt study at inti college?
Is it lecturer there good enough?

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Aug 5 2008, 11:42 PM)
hmm.. i see. so how is the NCI calculated then? (parent's portion unchanged, i assume)
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Its still the same with minority interest in IS & BS (for now)
The idea of change is on the net assets held by subsidiary which is split into equity holders of parent & non-controlling interest.
Previously we ignored NCI portion on net assets (by assuming parent owns 100% of net assets although control of holding = 90%, 80%,....)
Now we also accounted for NCI (by including it in in calculation of goodwill) by adding it with cost of investment.
Then the FV of net assets x 100%, therefore net assets are both owned (by parent & nci).

The goodwill amount will be the same with previous IFRS 3 method (if applying proportionate share)
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well, the net asset part i understand, but now that goodwill is also inclusive of the amount by NCI (since FV of NA (NCI%) =/= MV of shares held by NCI), so I suppose that the NCI portion is now FV of NA (NCI%) + NCI's Goodwill?

For that matter, do you know how the change in the NCI's goodwill affects the allocation of goodwill as per IAS36, where we allocate goodwill to a group of assets for the purpose of impairment. Do we still need to notionally gross up the goodwill, or is it now valid to just use NCI's portion of goodwill + parent's goodwill as the goodwill to be allocated?

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Aug 6 2008, 12:10 PM)
well, the net asset part i understand, but now that goodwill is also inclusive of the amount by NCI (since FV of NA (NCI%) =/= MV of shares held by NCI), so I suppose that the NCI portion is now FV of NA (NCI%) + NCI's Goodwill?

For that matter, do you know how the change in the NCI's goodwill affects the allocation of goodwill as per IAS36, where we allocate goodwill to a group of assets for the purpose of impairment. Do we still need to notionally gross up the goodwill, or is it now valid to just use NCI's portion of goodwill + parent's goodwill as the goodwill to be allocated?
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If have goodwill attributable to NCI, the allocation method will be (basis of subsidiary's profits & losses = shareholding)
For example : if Parent owns 90% of holding, NCI will get 10% of goodwill (not pro-rata basis)

Example : If parent owns 90%
Goodwill 4.5
Imp loss (1)
Impaired value 3.5
(Goodwill attributable to NCI, let say 0.5)

If i use pro-rata basis to allocate impairment loss it will be parent (4.5 - 0.5) / 4.5 = 89% , NCI (0.5) / 4.5 = 11% which are wrong
The suitable method is
parent NCI total
Goodwill 4 0.5 5
Imp loss
- 90% x 1 (0.9)
- 10% x 1 (0.1) (1)
Impaired value 3.1 0.4 4
3.1 will be shown at group BS, goodwill (NCA) while 0.4 will be shown at group BS, NCI (Equity)


Added on August 6, 2008, 6:14 pmSorry, i forgot to space the draft tongue.gif tongue.gif
parent 4 - 0.9 = 3.1 shown at goodwill (BS)
NCI 0.5 - 0.1 = 0.4 shown at NCI (BS)

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So IAS 36 no requires notionally grossing up and instead just uses the available goodwill la.. i see, thanks.

What about acquisitions where there is no available market value of shares?


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eh.. if im not wrong, new IFRS 3 got 2 methods wat, partial method and full method. When using partial method, still have to gross up isnt it? (referring to impairment)
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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Aug 6 2008, 12:20 AM)
yeah. it was under IFRS3 - new developments in June sitting.
but has adopted into standard in Dec sitting. doh.gif  cry.gif
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i was also in june sitting,so didnt learned this new standards( ohmy.gif hope to pass last P2 sitting,to repeat and learned new thing is disaster in bridging/catchup class short period of time)..anyway, would we have any problem in working (particularly jobs that involves IFRS/IAS) since we didnt know tis new thingy..

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IFRS 3 gives 2 option for value non-controlling interest at company's discretion :
1) Proportionate share of FV of Sub net asset.
= the goodwill figure derived will be the same as previous IFRS 3 (b4 change)

2) FV (m.v of the shares held by NCI shareholders just b4 acquistion)
= use this method if QS clearly stated a m.v of share price (ie : RM 3 per share)
= will derive a different goodwill figure

For those who wants to know more on the changes, can go to this website (by deloitte)
Its very technical & heavy but quite useful in its explanation : (its around 156 slide)
http://www.iasplus.com/dttpubs/0807ifrs3guide.pdf
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Hahaha, should've just given me the whole slide in the first place, since I was going on quite a technical level. hahahahaha
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anyone knows which banks is accredited ACCA Gold or Platinum Employer within Malaysia?
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Pls refer to www.accaglobal.com
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who got old 3.1 or new p7 - advanced audit notes and revision kits ?

can u sell to me ? i wan to buy .

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hihi, i'm Zoe. I currently take P6 advanced tax at kasturi but due to work its difficult to catch up....thinking of cahnge to audit P7..what urs recommendation? Anyone hv P6 revision notes? Or sample Q & A? How u all think audit? It is easy or tough o pass??? Can i do it by self-study? Which lecturer u all comment? Thx alot? When result out ya?? hope i pass it!
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QUOTE(Zoeee @ Aug 7 2008, 09:48 PM)
hihi, i'm Zoe. I currently take P6 advanced tax at kasturi but due to work its difficult to catch up....thinking of cahnge to audit P7..what urs recommendation? Anyone hv P6 revision notes? Or sample Q & A? How u all think audit? It is easy or tough o pass??? Can i do it by self-study? Which lecturer u all comment? Thx alot? When result out ya?? hope i pass it!
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I really can't comment on P7 diffculties but i heard from other friends of mine it is more "knowledge based", very "theoretical" & stuff.
Their opinion is that it is only useful for those who wish to embark on audit sector for a long term period (otherwise its quite impractical).
Judging from students feedback most don't "like" audit since its quite "meticulous" & "tedious".
However, the main factor that not much people chooses P7 bcos lack "tuition providers" aka lecturers
The main lecturers for F8 audit did not even continue lecture for P7 (sheila john, phillip woo,....etc), they opt for P1 instead.
I heard there is a good one at FTMS (Fung chee kong) but don't know still got teaching or not ?

Although P6 have the lowest pass rate among all ACCA papers but with good practice & skills (plus a strong foundation in Tax knowledge) its
not that difficult. However there is also mass exodus of Tax lecturer (Chong kwai fatt, Chow chee yen,....etc). Plus if you believe it Tax is the
most boring subject (repititive & tons to memorise) may put off some people. However someone with good tax knowledge can surely impresses
any "layman" out there.
Try to tell ACCA to your relatives they will be dozed off, not interested.....etc
Now try to tell them you can cut their tax by few hundred if not thousand of ringgit they will surely impressed brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
(they even belanja me makan after that thumbup.gif )
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does anyone know whr is the University that i can further my ACCA in

America and recognize with ACCA association as well??
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I'm intend to take a P3 class? P3's lecturer( Mr. Tham KF)is good or not for this paper? Plz help me frenz.


Added on August 8, 2008, 4:16 pmI'm intend to take a P3 class? P3's lecturer( Mr. Tham KF) MCO is good or not for this paper? Plz help me frenz.

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 7 2008, 10:58 PM)
I really can't comment on P7 diffculties but i heard from other friends of mine it is more "knowledge based", very "theoretical" & stuff.
Their opinion is that it is only useful for those who wish to embark on audit sector for a long term period (otherwise its quite impractical).
Judging from students feedback most don't "like" audit since its quite "meticulous" & "tedious".
However, the main factor that not much people chooses P7 bcos lack "tuition providers" aka lecturers
The main lecturers for F8 audit did not even continue lecture for P7 (sheila john, phillip woo,....etc), they opt for P1 instead.
I heard there is a good one at FTMS (Fung chee kong) but don't know still got teaching or not ?

Although P6 have the lowest pass rate among all ACCA papers but with good practice & skills (plus a strong foundation in Tax knowledge) its
not that difficult. However there is also mass exodus of Tax lecturer (Chong kwai fatt, Chow chee yen,....etc). Plus if you believe it Tax is the
most boring subject (repititive & tons to memorise) may put off some people. However someone with good tax knowledge can surely impresses
any "layman" out there.
Try to tell ACCA to your relatives they will be dozed off, not interested.....etc
Now try to tell them you can cut their tax by few hundred if not thousand of ringgit they will surely impressed  brows.gif brows.gif  brows.gif
(they even belanja me makan after that  thumbup.gif )
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oo...but...u need hard work on it.... really study hard...remember all the rule....but impress the other help them cut tax sound good....i'm still looking for alternative.... coz i;m working...its like very tired to go for tax...i took alan yeo now...n its very sleepy in the class....audit is like bcoz is knowledge based so just can self study...memorize the theory..then done..tax....is other way round..


Added on August 8, 2008, 7:52 pmanyone took audit here? what ur comment...? by the way i just wanna complete acca... i in banking...not auidt or tax...so either oso not my future exercise...but tax will help personally

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QUOTE(Zoeee @ Aug 8 2008, 07:49 PM)
oo...but...u need hard work on it.... really study hard...remember all the rule....but impress the other help them cut tax sound good....i'm still looking for alternative.... coz i;m working...its like very tired to go for tax...i took alan yeo now...n its very sleepy in the class....audit is like bcoz is knowledge based so just can self study...memorize the theory..then done..tax....is other way round..


Added on August 8, 2008, 7:52 pmanyone took audit here? what ur comment...? by the way i just wanna complete acca... i in banking...not auidt or tax...so either oso not my future exercise...but tax will help personally
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I do heard from some tax students that Alan Yeo although experienced but quite boring not as animated like other KSA lecturers like Parmindar & viknes. I think you can consider Chin Ann (at KB) quite a good tax lecturer (class quite fun too).
There is another call siva nair (also veteran like alan yeo but talk very fast & notes quite bulky).

By the way how about P5 or P4 ?
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i took p4..now p5 seem like hv to go class too...audit is the one that is totally theory n read memorize then exam
...i found f8 easy...so audit is ok for me....i wan be good in tax but somehow it need lots of attention n study..not much time for that..n i looking class not on weekday...else its like early morning 6am go work then after calss....is around 11am to reach home
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who is chn ann , KB?

i took p4..now p5 seem like hv to go class too...audit is the one that is totally theory n read memorize then exam
...i found f8 easy...so audit is ok for me....i wan be good in tax but somehow it need lots of attention n study..not much time for that..n i looking class not on weekday...else its like early morning 6am go work then after calss....is around 11am to reach home
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Chin Ann previously taught at KSA then FTMS then Kolej Bandar (quite recommended for audit & tax) His style of teaching was very refreshing & student friendly. The fees are not expensive either but facilities are inferior compared to other colleges.

Actually this is the first time i heard people call audit easy biggrin.gif biggrin.gif . well its not unheard of since some students are good in memorising, some reasoning while others calculation experts. I heard from others that experience of work is vital to pass audit (procedures & stuff). You can give it
a go notworthy.gif notworthy.gif but self study for Professional optional paper was a bit risky but achieveable nonetheless.

If you need a tuition provider for P7 there is only one reputable center which offers lecturer = FTMS (Fung Chee Kong). I heard he was quite good too. KSA, MCO did not offer this (maybe revision only).
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 9 2008, 05:41 PM)
Chin Ann previously taught at KSA then FTMS then Kolej Bandar (quite recommended for audit & tax) His style of teaching was very refreshing & student friendly. The fees are not expensive either but facilities are inferior compared to other colleges.

Actually this is the first time i heard people call audit easy  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif . well its not unheard of since some students are good in memorising, some reasoning while others calculation experts. I heard from others that experience of work is vital to pass audit (procedures & stuff). You can give it
a go  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  but self study for Professional optional paper was a bit risky but achieveable nonetheless.

If you need a tuition provider for P7 there is only one reputable center which offers lecturer = FTMS (Fung Chee Kong). I heard he was quite good too. KSA, MCO did not offer this (maybe revision only).
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oo..ic.....i try to find the lecturer that time is a bit ok....well if the tax lectuere is refreshing n good.. i think tax is a better choice since is more relevant to u right? so...i think i try find chin an timetable n fees first.. anyone his former student??

p3 is costing .....many say its the easiest paper from all right? i took p4 already


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oo..ic.....i try to find the lecturer that time is a bit ok....well if the tax lectuere is refreshing n good.. i think tax is a better choice since is more relevant to u right? so...i think i try find chin an timetable n fees first.. anyone his former student??

p3 is costing .....many say its the easiest paper from all right? i took p4 already
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P5 is a continuity from F5 & has many similar topics with P3. With the overlapping areas & average "add-on" from F5 already it can considered
the easiest P papers FOR NOW.

The reason i go against P7 audit bcos this is the field that requires "application" rather than knowledge. Only those who have experience will thrived
on this area. With knowledge alone it can be quite difficult especially each comp have different Internal Controls & audit procedures.

Tax is quite different as knowledge can be fully utilised here. Any company needs to submit tax return. They have discretion to form their own
dept or outsource it. Either way, a good tax speciallist can earn much here depends on his "knowledge", "experience" & "credibility".
For example :
Company tax RM 500,000. After consultation Comp tax reduced to RM 200,000. Your service charge RM 150,000.
Therefore comp have option to pay RM 500,000 or RM 350,000 (tax Rm 120k + service charge = RM 150k) which of course choose to pay lesser.
Therefore the better you are with tax the more you can earned (like lawyer lo)

If you are not in tax related sector. You can help comp to plan its biz expenses by telling them the Deductible & non deductible expenses
Or taxable & non taxable income....etc.

I have attended his class before & his method can accomodate all kinds of student. His text note was quite complete & good but mostly at class
he will give his own notes (his own terms) to better explain his text notes. So student who only wants to pass can read 1 portion. Student who want to score can read 2 portion...etc. You wont have chance to be "sleepy" in his class. However check whether you like the facilities first, it was located
at the middle of Petaling Street a block away from KSA.



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hi everyone, can someone tell me P4,5 and 6.which two are easier to pass?thank you
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May I ask, in ACCA syllabus, there are such thing called as taxation. I am only a PA (Prinsip Akaun) student. What taxation means? And what we have to do with it?
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taxation is how to calculate how much tax u nid pay lo...and understanding of tax..

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hi everyone, can someone tell me P4,5 and 6.which two are easier to pass?thank you
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None is is easy to pass actually. P5 is getting tougher & tougher. P4 is "blood-sucking". P6 must memorise a lot & has the lowest pass rate previous
sitting. It depends on your skills & competency
P5 : If you can reason & argue well you can pass (a lot of overlapping areas with P3)
P4 : Deemed the toughest (lots of formulaes & models) balanced in calculation & theory. No straight answer.
P6 : Must memorise tons of section to apply effectively in exam. (in detail not just key pointers). If foundation of tax not good very hard to grasp P6.

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when the result release? anyone know?
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None is is easy to pass actually. P5 is getting tougher & tougher. P4 is "blood-sucking". P6 must memorise a lot & has the lowest pass rate previous
sitting. It depends on your skills & competency
P5 : If you can reason & argue well you can pass (a lot of overlapping areas with P3)
P4 : Deemed the toughest (lots of formulaes & models) balanced in calculation & theory. No straight answer.
P6 : Must memorise tons of section to apply effectively in exam. (in detail not just key pointers). If foundation of tax not good very hard to grasp P6.
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It is depend on your interest also.


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yes, is 18th august.
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umm..i would like to ask..is working experience a necessity to pass acca?
coz my lecturer suggested me to work and gain some experience after completing the first 6 papers in acca ..
but my dad insists that i should complete 14 papers prior to stepping into the working field..
I too hav an intention to do what my dad said..

any advice?

thx =)

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umm..i would like to ask..is working experience a necessity to pass acca?
coz my lecturer suggested me to work and gain some experience after completing the first 6 papers in acca ..
but my dad insists that i should complete 14 papers prior to stepping into the working field..
I too hav an intention to do what my dad said..

any advice?

thx =)
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I don't think you really need to have working experience to pass ACCA papers from F1 to F9. However experience does help a bit in Professional
papers especially when they ask scenario based questions (you have exposure).

What your dad said has his own logic since it will be quite difficult to abandoned things halfway & then carry on after working. You may forget some
subject or part of ACCA syllabus in F papers which you will carry on for P papers (F7 to P2, F8 to P7, F9 to P4, F5 to P5, F6 to P6).
Plus all ACCA students required 3 years working experience (PER) to be certified as Chartered accountant. Most students "hope" to begin work
after they complete all their studies. Alas this is not ot be so since it is norm that some will eventually fail & realise its quite improbable to carry on.

From your lecturer's point of view it is quite "reasonable" but not effective. S(he) may argue that you can't possibly apply whatever you learn in
working if you just study without application (which i quite agree nod.gif ). However it was not that simple as per se. Now what happen if you learn
F6 tax then you work in a tax dept, employer ask you to perform some tax calculation but you noticed certain things that was not teached in F6 but in
P6, then you need to ask..........etc, it will create a lot of tediousness around. How about F7, it was pretty basic & can't apply that much in real-life until you study until P2. Although some student can cope & handle this well but most of them will reply it is not so easy.

I did have a friend that works in PWC while studying. He gets some sort of "scholarship' from PWC (PWC loves acca syudent & tries their best to retain them : bcos low pay but high productivity for the few early years). He gets to go home early for tuition (lecture), some of their staff conducts
tution class for part ACCA students. (that was a few years ago actually)

My advice is try to finish all ACCA papers first. If you "do" fail some of them OR feels frustrated by lack of progress. It was still not too late to work.
Trust me enjoy you student life while you still can before you really start working (especially as an auditor) cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(stephanie0721 @ Aug 10 2008, 09:33 PM)
umm..i would like to ask..is working experience a necessity to pass acca?
coz my lecturer suggested me to work and gain some experience after completing the first 6 papers in acca ..
but my dad insists that i should complete 14 papers prior to stepping into the working field..
I too hav an intention to do what my dad said..

any advice?

thx =)
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If u hv d intention to complete ACCA 1st prior to stepping to the working world, then u sud b firm in your stand....
studying part time and working at d same time is not easy, as what i m doing now..
but it really helps you in your studies, because you can apply your knowledge..."ur knowledge became alive"..
but one thing do remember, i am already very exhausted after working hours, entering d lecture hall with puffy eyes...
there are pros and cons...

Do make your own decision...i assume you r now able to mk ur own decision...but do not regret for your decision....
do not feel tempted to do wat ppl sed is nice....it may not be d best for you....do wat wud suit you...


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the most scary date in this month  sweat.gif
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so fast....so long so fast so long so fast....

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Hi.. i am TARC AFA1 students.. i want to take external F7-F9 and waive my exemptions.... i have checked the OBU criteria, OBU degree can be applied if F7-F9 are done externally plus a thesis statement submitted. And, there is a FAQ in OBU official website saying that those who get exemption up to 9 papers but still want to apply for OBU degree, they have to waive their F7-F9 exemptions. Can i do that? I have submitted IR form and now i am ACCA students.... I have asked the college... ACCA Malaysia does not allow us to opt for OBU, need to appeal.. Have you all heard about waiving exemption case?
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and the F4 difficult indeed to absorb!
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4 days to go!!! sweat.gif a little bit stress cause of it..
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actually now still left around 3.5 days tongue.gif

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4 days to go!!! sweat.gif a little bit stress cause of it..
and the F4 difficult indeed to absorb!
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well, f4 is tougher than the old 2.2 since now every q is compulsory.

4 days 2 results.....gud luck guys.

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I have a general enquiry about the exam results
1) Which website is faster / slower when received by e-mail ?
2) When view online they said is 1600 GMT in Britain. So in Malaysia is +8 hours so figuratively speaking we can check online at 12.00 a.m that's
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However in past trend (last sitting) we can already check online at 3.30p.m. Can anyone clarify on this issue ?
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I have a general enquiry about the exam results
1) Which website is faster / slower when received by e-mail ?
2) When view online they said is 1600 GMT in Britain. So in Malaysia is +8 hours so figuratively speaking we can check online at 12.00 a.m that's
    on early tuesday morning.
    However in past trend (last sitting) we can already check online at 3.30p.m. Can anyone clarify on this issue ?
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normally we receive the result at monday afternoon , from 12pm-1pm .

most of my friends received it at 1pm
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normally we receive the result at monday afternoon , from 12pm-1pm .

most of my friends received it at 1pm
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Ok good luck to everyone out there smile.gif
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Topace and watISacca:
thx for both of ur reply =)
yup..nth is perfect..i think i hav made up my mind after reading ur posts..
i prefer to complete my study first..i dun wanna do sumthing which is against my will and with reluctance ><

by the way, what is the difference between online exam registration and the post 1?
they wil send me a form to fill out within September right?
what if i register online? what shud i do with the form? juz ignore it?
which method is better from ur experience?

thz =)
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QUOTE(stephanie0721 @ Aug 10 2008, 09:33 PM)
umm..i would like to ask..is working experience a necessity to pass acca?
coz my lecturer suggested me to work and gain some experience after completing the first 6 papers in acca ..
but my dad insists that i should complete 14 papers prior to stepping into the working field..
I too hav an intention to do what my dad said..

any advice?

thx =)
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It may help a little bit but don't expect it to make that much of a difference from being a full time student.This is because the exam scenarios, especially at professional level assume that you are in a senior and strategic position of a firm so it has little relevance to you if you are only a junior auditor or somewhere at the operational level.


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by the way, what is the difference between online exam registration and the post 1?
they wil send me a form to fill out within September right?
what if i register online? what shud i do with the form? juz ignore it?
which method is better from ur experience?

thz =)
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No difference really.I register online, they are just options for whichever you are more comfortable with.There are people who are afraid of paying online and there are also people who find it inconvenient to submit by mail.By paying online you can afford to register later because it is instantaneous and also you get instant confirmation of your payment.If you register online, you don't need the form nod.gif

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the exact time here on coming monday 5pm release the stressful panic result sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Topace and watISacca:
thx for both of ur reply =)
yup..nth is perfect..i think i hav made up my mind after reading ur posts..
i prefer to complete my study first..i dun wanna do sumthing which is against my will and with reluctance ><

by the way, what is the difference between online exam registration and the post 1?
they wil send me a form to fill out within September right?
what if i register online? what shud i do with the form? juz ignore it?
which method is better from ur experience?

thz =)
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ACCA will sent result slip to you by post.
It is better to keep your result slip until you finish all the papers.
Recently, I applied job, they ask me to provide all the result slips. icon_question.gif
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ACCA will sent result slip to you by post.
It is better to keep your result slip until you finish all the papers.
Recently, I applied job, they ask me to provide all the result slips. icon_question.gif
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Is this chapter long and pretty important and precise?
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actually it is just simple if you know the technique how to catch up the question.
and memory the format and law should be applied inside..

after that you will realised that why it is so 'kacang putih' sweat.gif
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anyone know wat time will the result releasE?

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as usual, when come to result release period, all people will get nervous.

relax... you have done ur best in the exam. now is just sit relax and receiving the true of the movement.

your all must have confidence on what u have done past 6 months.
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results are near. wishing you guys all the best tomorrow. wishing for good news from each and everyone of you. smile.gif

as for myself, taken 4 papers in June. do not think i will pass all. pass 2 i'm happy enough already. anyway just face it calmly lo nod.gif
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1 day left to results!! hey, just wanna ask, is there something as "fundamental Error" for F8,audit? where if question ask for test of control, but 1 point given is a substantive testing... My lecturer says that u will get 49 for that. Is that true? Many of my friends are worried coz of that.

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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Aug 17 2008, 12:29 PM)
results are near. wishing you guys all the best tomorrow. wishing for good news from each and everyone of you. smile.gif

as for myself, taken 4 papers in June. do not think i will pass all. pass 2 i'm happy enough already. anyway just face it calmly lo nod.gif
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me too...max if takin 4 papers pass 2 happy already,if 3 of course its better...but to pass all 4..that can happen laugh.gif ..
since u're working at BTMH, u sure can juggle btw work and study if there still have pass to go(hopefully not).. icon_rolleyes.gif


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1 day left to results!! hey, just wanna ask, is there some thing as "fundamental Error" for audit? where if question as for test of control, but 1 point given is a substantive testing... My lecturer says that u will get 49 for that. Is that true? Many of my friends are worried coz of that.
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i think there is such term..and mostly that what makes examiner really piss off..its like u dont answered what the questions wants..and it shows that candidates are lack of understanding the term and meaning of TOC(u have to know how to differentiate btw Subs. test and TOC, when to use it,is it necessary based on the case)..many times alan published the articles and exam report regarding silly(fundamental) mistakes that candidates did during the exam and student should noticed about that..

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me too...max if takin 4 papers pass 2 happy already,if 3 of course its better...but to pass all 4..that can happen laugh.gif ..
since u're working at BTMH, u sure can juggle btw work and study if there still have pass to go(hopefully not).. icon_rolleyes.gif


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i think there is such term..and mostly that what makes examiner really piss off..its like  u dont answered what the questions wants..and it shows that candidates are lack of understanding the term and meaning of TOC(u have to know how to differentiate btw Subs. test and TOC, when to use it,is it necessary based on the case)..many times alan published the articles and exam report regarding silly(fundamental) mistakes that candidates did during the exam and student should noticed about that..
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There are such terms as "fundamental error" in ACCA. Although not absolute, it applies extensively for F6, F7 & F8 bcos this are the fundamental papers. It means there are terms, formats, framework or wording that "must not go wrong" = these are the fundamental areas.
Technical areas are more difficult areas which requires more application (examiner will be more forgiving) Examples :

F6 Tax :
Examiner expects students to display a deep understanding on format of tax computation especially when to use wording as adjusted income,
statutory income, aggregate income or chargeable income. Where to classify employment inocme or biz income. If you insert the wrong figures it is
expected but if you mistakenly insert the wrong wording don't expect the marker to be generous.

F7 Reporting :
Examiner expect student to know the format of comprehensive income statement, financial position, cash flow statement & others.
Wrong figures again won't be heavy penalised if you got appropriate workings to support. If you put the item in a wrong area again the examiner
will not be pleased. Example you put dividend under profit before tax or included goodwill under equity.

F8 Audit :
This has become a norm where very year student will ask the same qs, when to use SP or TOC. Unless the qs stated specificly general assumption is to use SP. If thet clearly clarify / hinted to use TOC then use TOC. Why the debate bcos this area will almost decide the fate of the paper itself,
if wrongly answered it can even become 0 out of 15/20/25 marks.

TOC : since this sitting ask TOC (which shocks most students who assume its SP qs since come out quite extensively), i will dwell on this mattter.
Basicly TOC almost same with SP in its audit procedure but different in 2 ways :
1) the wording : Don't use the word trace back, cast, or other SP words (using this will generally get 0 mark).
Use wordings like observe, inspect, inquire, which are methods to obtain evidence.

2) Objective : It is to test effectiveness of internal control (whether the sytems are working adequately) not SP which is to detect material misstatement.
Technically apart from this 2 ways, the audit prodeures content should be almost similar.
Perhaps the examiner notice this he only allocates around 10 - 15 marks for this area. last time he can give up to >20 marks.


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i see i see, so it means that u will only fail that particular question is it.. not the paper as a whole.. This is extremely worrying.
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Good luck for everybody.
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good luck to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Aug 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
good luck to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ha Ha Ha, I think you will pass at least by 75 marks.
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Ha Ha Ha, I think you will pass at least by 75 marks.
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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Aug 18 2008, 12:03 PM)
don't make me scare rclxub.gif
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Trust me. Later you will say the marks no enough............. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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results can be view at myacca already

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kelvinlee1983 pass oredi. Congra!


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results can be view at myacca already

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Which paper?

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kelvinlee1983 pass oredi. Congra!


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Which paper?
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QUOTE(peng123 @ Aug 18 2008, 12:23 PM)
f8 & p1  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Ayoh, I oso scare about P1 now lo! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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i pass P4 with 65 and p6 with 50,how about you?
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Ayoh, I oso scare about P1 now lo! doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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go to view now la

my p1 only 29 marks mad.gif
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i pass P4 with 65 and p6 with 50,how about you?
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Do want to see 1st, cos no mood to work after see the result. But I think will fail.
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how about ur p2 ?

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aiks, i cannot access myacca
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i got my results from my hotmail

keep refresh myacca, i think can. i try already
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how about ur p2 ?
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P2 sure die. Earlier I think can pass P1, now know may be a lot ppl oso fail P1, then I think will die oso. cry.gif cry.gif
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Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:

Paper Details: P2INT Corp. Rep.
Result: Pass
Mark: 68
Paper Details: P3 Bus. Ana.
Result:Pass
Mark: 53

icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

This p2 really killed me off..my P2 notes all tear off..learn IFRS,IAS only..so what can i say is that..IAS,IFRS is important in P2..
For p3,i hv no idea


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QUOTE(C_w_sam @ Aug 18 2008, 12:33 PM)
i passed my p1 with 63 marks
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i passed my p1 with 63 marks
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wah, so high  rclxms.gif  congra
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Aug 18 2008, 12:41 PM)
Next time I think you will get 92 la rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(HBK-reloaded @ Aug 18 2008, 12:36 PM)
Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:

Paper Details: P2INT Corp. Rep. 
Result: Pass
Mark: 68
Paper Details: P3 Bus. Ana. 
Result:Pass
Mark: 53

icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif 

This p2 really killed me off..my P2 notes all tear off..learn IFRS,IAS only..so what can i say is that..IAS,IFRS is important in P2..
For p3,i hv no idea
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good, congratulation notworthy.gif
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finally got it, Pass P1- (only 62 nia) din attend class for this paper (wanna save money)... I think can self study... good luck to the rest
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P1 44
P2 45
P3 49

My employer didn't allow me to take any study leave and only given me exam leave, feel a bit sad. This coming exam, thinking taking full time class. Any suggestion which college which is good and the student per class is not a lot like kasturi?
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I'm done with ACCA,passed p3 and p4 which I took last sitting. smile.gif
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QUOTE(twom @ Aug 18 2008, 01:00 PM)
P1  44
P2  45
P3  49

My employer didn't allow me to take any study leave and only given me exam leave, feel a bit sad. This coming exam, thinking taking full time class. Any suggestion which college which is good and the student per class is not a lot like kasturi?
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Try Mc Orange lo. But the tuition fees will be expensive than Kasturi.
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I'm done with ACCA,passed p3 and p4 which I took last sitting. smile.gif
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Congratulation.

You are now affiliate and will have to pay higher annual subscription fees. drool.gif

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Thank god I've passed ACCA finally!

P1 Prof. Acc. - 63 Pass
P2INT Corp. Rep.- 50 Pass

Good luck to all those ACCA students out there

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QUOTE(sching @ Aug 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
Thank god I've passed ACCA finally!
 
P1 Prof. Acc. - 63 Pass
P2INT Corp. Rep.- 50 Pass

Good luck to all those ACCA students out there
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Wah, a lot of ppl can pass P1 by high marks. Your ppl very smart.
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I have pass all my papers (F7, F8 & F9) thank you mr haneef, low chin ann & daniel Ho. you are the best rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif .
By the way , i would like to ask how much is the aggregate mark for paper F4 to F9 to achieve 2nd upper or 1st ?

Good luck to all biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(twom @ Aug 18 2008, 01:00 PM)
P1  44
P2  45
P3  49

My employer didn't allow me to take any study leave and only given me exam leave, feel a bit sad. This coming exam, thinking taking full time class. Any suggestion which college which is good and the student per class is not a lot like kasturi?
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I fail the SAME PAPERS & my employer also don't allow me to take study leave.... sad.gif

I plan to resign for this coming exam....
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My company also doesnt grant study leave despite being a big 4 audit firm (but in singapore la). So i took unpaid leave..
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 18 2008, 01:26 PM)
I have pass all my papers (F7, F8 & F9) thank you mr haneef, low chin ann & daniel Ho. you are the best  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif .
By the way , i would like to ask how much is the aggregate mark for paper F4 to F9 to achieve 2nd upper or 1st ?

Good luck to all  biggrin.gif
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I think 1st is 66,while 2nd upper is like 58.
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I think 1st is 66,while 2nd upper is like 58.
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Oh great, i think i have achieved 1st, i think should consult my lecturer first.
May god bless you all smile.gif
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66 yeah partly true, but only if your OBU project achieves the highest grade I think. Most probably an A. For unconditional first class, you will need an average of 68 marks, then as long as you pass the OBU you'll still get first class
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Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:

Paper Details Mark(%) Result
P2INT Corp. Rep. 45 Fail
P3 Bus. Ana. 53 Pass
P4 Adv. Fin. Man. 49 Fail
P5 Adv. Perf. Man. 47 Fail

totally speechless. the paper i studied the most (P4) i failed by 1 mark. the paper i never studied and went inside goreng (P3) i passed.

ACCA is so unpredictable. shit la...now working d....where got time to sit for 3 papers? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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AVERAGE 68 - A,B,C for OBU can get first class
AVERAGE 67 - Must get A or B
AVERAGE 66 - Only A for first class

woohoo, my average 71 for part 2 le, so happy:) Now the real challenge for Part 3 officially begins!!
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Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:

Paper Details Mark(%) Result
P2INT Corp. Rep. 45 Fail
P3 Bus. Ana. 53 Pass
P4 Adv. Fin. Man. 49 Fail
P5 Adv. Perf. Man. 47 Fail

totally speechless. the paper i studied the most (P4) i failed by 1 mark. the paper i never studied and went inside goreng (P3) i passed.

ACCA is so unpredictable. shit la...now working d....where got time to sit for 3 papers? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Aug 18 2008, 01:41 PM)
Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:
 
Paper          Details        Mark(%)          Result
P2INT        Corp. Rep.      45                    Fail
P3              Bus. Ana.      53                  Pass
P4          Adv. Fin. Man.  49                    Fail
P5          Adv. Perf. Man.  47                    Fail

totally speechless. the paper i studied the most (P4) i failed by 1 mark. the paper i never studied and went inside goreng (P3) i passed.

ACCA is so unpredictable. shit la...now working d....where got time to sit for 3 papers? cry.gif cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Then you just sit for P2 1st lo, since it is most difficult paper.
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wahahaha hell yeah, passed all. XD see u guys. working life here i come!!!!!!
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QUOTE(allornothing @ Aug 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
66 yeah partly true, but only if your OBU project achieves the highest grade I think. Most probably an A. For unconditional first class, you will need an average of 68 marks, then as long as you pass the OBU you'll still get first class
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Oh ok,never knew that. Is this part of the syllabus change in OBU or something?

QUOTE(roy_pck @ Aug 18 2008, 01:41 PM)
Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:
 
Paper          Details        Mark(%)          Result
P2INT        Corp. Rep.      45                    Fail
P3              Bus. Ana.      53                  Pass
P4          Adv. Fin. Man.  49                    Fail
P5          Adv. Perf. Man.  47                    Fail

totally speechless. the paper i studied the most (P4) i failed by 1 mark. the paper i never studied and went inside goreng (P3) i passed.

ACCA is so unpredictable. shit la...now working d....where got time to sit for 3 papers? cry.gif cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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If you're working already,take your time dude. You will need 3 years experience after all to be an official member,so you can take that time to complete the papers.
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As usual, before results, pray to just pass, after result, kick myself y cannot score higher smile.gif haha, i bet most of u also like that tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chess_gal @ Aug 18 2008, 01:29 PM)
My company also doesnt grant study leave despite being a big 4 audit firm (but in singapore la). So i took unpaid leave..
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ooo... which singapore big4 u are in now?

I am with one of them too... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(ellimist @ Aug 18 2008, 01:51 PM)
Oh ok,never knew that. Is this part of the syllabus change in OBU or something?
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I guess so, since it's the first time I heard of it. I was told it was 66 all the while too, until 2 months ago. And if I recall, there was a change in the OBU thingy, so maybe this is part of it
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QUOTE(roy_pck @ Aug 18 2008, 01:41 PM)
Your examination results for the June 2008 session issued on 18-AUG-08 are:
 
Paper          Details        Mark(%)          Result
P2INT        Corp. Rep.      45                    Fail
P3              Bus. Ana.      53                  Pass
P4          Adv. Fin. Man.  49                    Fail
P5          Adv. Perf. Man.  47                    Fail

totally speechless. the paper i studied the most (P4) i failed by 1 mark. the paper i never studied and went inside goreng (P3) i passed.

ACCA is so unpredictable. shit la...now working d....where got time to sit for 3 papers? cry.gif cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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I know,quite difficult to juggle btw work and study acca..since the optional paper now more challenging..probably u hv to take at least 2..
nyway,how do u find p4?i kinda want to sit for tis december...coz i hv to sit for 1 optional paper only..really rclxub.gif which paper should i end wit a bang... cool.gif
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KPMG.. U?
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QUOTE(allornothing @ Aug 18 2008, 01:59 PM)
I guess so, since it's the first time I heard of it. I was told it was 66 all the while too, until 2 months ago. And if I recall, there was a change in the OBU thingy, so maybe this is part of it
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Yea,heard the project was gonna mean a lil more,unlike the old syllabus laugh.gif

QUOTE(HBK-reloaded @ Aug 18 2008, 02:01 PM)
I know,quite difficult to juggle btw work and study acca..since the optional paper now more challenging..probably u hv to take at least 2..
nyway,how do u find p4?i kinda want to sit for tis december...coz i hv to sit for 1 optional paper only..really  rclxub.gif  which paper should i end wit a bang... cool.gif
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Personally I recommend against it (P4),the examiner has seemed to set some pretty difficult stuff. Rather demoralizing paper to sit for imo laugh.gif
But I suppose they lower the graph when it's an insane paper,so by all means take it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ellimist @ Aug 18 2008, 02:10 PM)
Personally I recommend against it (P4),the examiner has seemed to set some pretty difficult stuff. Rather demoralizing paper to sit for imo laugh.gif
But I suppose they lower the graph when it's an insane paper,so by all means take it tongue.gif
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I'm pretty sure the same happened to F5, as everyone in the exam hall exited demoralized. Many never finished, some had no idea what one full question wanted (25 marks there). What a way to replace 2.1 hehe.
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KPMG.. U?
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Deloitte.
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Just see the result, am am pass by 51.

Planning will go for last sitting paper P5 in Dec 08.

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i got 50 for p1. wat a relief
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fail my last paper P7, shd i say goodbye to audit now and hello to other optional paper.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Aug 18 2008, 02:29 PM)
Just see the result, am am pass by 51.

Planning will go for last sitting paper P5 in Dec 08.
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u passed both P1 & P2 ?
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fail my last paper P7, shd i say goodbye to audit now and hello to other optional paper.
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Depend on what you need lo!


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u passed both P1 & P2 ?
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Yalo

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Depend on what you need lo!


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Yalo
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51 for both subs?congratz


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Yalo. But see a lot of ppl here can score more than 60m, I think I'm too lazy. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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as long as pass it's sufficient. im glad i get 50 for p1.
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fail my last paper P7, shd i say goodbye to audit now and hello to other optional paper.
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as long as pass it's sufficient. im glad i get 50 for p1.
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ACCA really difficult estimate. I oso don't know why can pass P2. 1st question don't even finish on time, the essay question just goreng and agak-agak do the FRS question, but finally can pass. May be I'm lucky..... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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p1 46
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how on earth ppl can fail p1 1 zzzzzzzzzzzz??? izzit we must use bombastic words or professional answer .....
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as long as pass it's sufficient. im glad i get 50 for p1.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Aug 18 2008, 03:29 PM)
ACCA really difficult estimate. I oso don't know why can pass P2. 1st question don't even finish on time, the essay question just goreng and agak-agak do the FRS question, but finally can pass. May be I'm lucky..... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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i think it is better for us to gorent theory in each papers in ACCA


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i also glad that my p6 get 50 rclxms.gif


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i think it is better for us to gorent theory in each papers in ACCA
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so u've completed ur ACCA? congratz if dats da case.
talking bout 'goreng', there is no right or wrong about wat u 'goreng' but it is up to the marker to judge ur answer.

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i also glad that my p6 get 50 rclxms.gif


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i think it is better for us to gorent theory in each papers in ACCA
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So I will planning to Goreng all the theory in P5.
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so u've completed ur ACCA? congratz if dats da case.
talking bout 'goreng', there is no right or wrong about wat u 'goreng' but it is up to the marker to judge ur answer.
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sometimes, you need to write a lot, then the marker will give you some marks, to make you pass with 50%
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i'm currently a cat student n i was so suprised tat i passed my t5!
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41/100..
unbelievable!
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That 2 and a half questions that you did probably got you very high marks. In T5 either you know very well or you don't know at all
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That 2 and a half questions that you did probably got you very high marks. In T5 either you know very well or you don't know at all
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well,i craps alot in my Q3(leadership) coz my lec miss wong siew choo never teach us tat leadership style at all!
lol, honestly all also i goreng..
i duno how i passed also..
i calculated myself b4 the results out.
n i tot i am gonna get 15 marks like tat only or less than 2 digits..

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QUOTE(dOuBLeJ @ Aug 18 2008, 04:25 PM)
well,i craps alot in my Q3(leadership) coz my lec miss wong siew choo never teach us tat leadership style at all!
lol, honestly all also i goreng..
i duno how i passed also..
i calculated myself b4 the results out.
n i tot i am gonna get 15 marks like tat only or less than 2 digits..
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P1  44
P2  45
P3  49

My employer didn't allow me to take any study leave and only given me exam leave, feel a bit sad. This coming exam, thinking taking full time class. Any suggestion which college which is good and the student per class is not a lot like kasturi?
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wow wat kind of employer is tht
i took leave but still fail my p1 and p2

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does anyone know what if in the end i just manage to pass my optional paper which is P4, will they fail by P4 also? cos from i know is that we r supposed to pass our core paper b4 we moving towards our optional papers.
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T_T i haven't check my result yet....
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Unless you're REALLY sure they made a mistake,don't think there's much point in re-appealing. It's very costly as well
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If the person who just left one paper to finish acca and achieve 49%.
then it is worth to appeal

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ok la. sad enough already. no point thinking back now. it has already happened.

since now is offpeak for audit, i'm planning to take P2 and P5. P2 attend class again as there is a major changes in standards. P5 self study. leave P4 for next sitting.

those who failed, come on! stand up and fight again in December. We shall conquer ACCA 1 day. let's keep the spirit! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wah here all in P papers. I'm still in F. Haih just fail 2 paper which I only expect to fail 1.

By the way, can anyone tell me where I can download past year question in ACCA? I'm looking for F8.
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Wah here all in P papers. I'm still in F. Haih just fail 2 paper which I only expect to fail 1.

By the way, can anyone tell me where I can download past year question in ACCA? I'm looking for F8.
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acca website already got
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acca website already got
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Sorry. because most of the time I get the hard copy.
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I'm about to register for 2nd term for P3 at KSA (parmindar).
Can anyone "recommended" (those who have sat before) on its revision structure :
- RI only
- RE only
- RI + RE.
Is there any disadvantage of not taking either of them.
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i know. But problem i don't know where is it. Been searching high and low for it.  cry.gif

Sorry. because most of the time I get the hard copy.
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this is the link, hope can help you .

http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...rofessional/int
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I'm about to register for 2nd term for P3 at KSA (parmindar).
Can anyone "recommended" (those who have sat before) on its revision structure :
- RI only
- RE only
- RI + RE.
Is there any disadvantage of not taking either of them.
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RE he will give handout on past year paper which he change the requirement of the question to suite the exam sitting
RI for those whom not attending his normal class..in this RI he will go express in teaching P3
RI+RE= both above
Since u are about to register for 2nd term,u definitely missed the 1st term class..so its advisable to go to RI..RE is just to strengthen on how to answer the techniques of the exam...no disadvantages..only it will cost RM more..thats all

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QUOTE(Topace11 @ Aug 18 2008, 11:28 PM)
I'm about to register for 2nd term for P3 at KSA (parmindar).
Can anyone "recommended" (those who have sat before) on its revision structure :
- RI only
- RE only
- RI + RE.
Is there any disadvantage of not taking either of them.
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for me i think just RI will do la....P3 is more like a common sense paper....don waste ur money on attending too many revision classes smile.gif
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for me i think just RI will do la....P3 is more like a common sense paper....don waste ur money on attending too many revision classes smile.gif
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I have already attend his 1st term class but worried about the class size, especially when combine full & part time classes.
If there is any other better choice / alternative i won't consider KSA as my preferred centre.

Its not that comfortable to study (the air-condition malfunctions most of the time there is a class in auditorium), it got worse when everybody has to cramped into a pack of sardin with little room to manoeuvre. (push a little bit behind will hit somebody sweat.gif )
You cannot even stretch your leg after a lengthy class sweat.gif

I remember 1 time a girl wants to go to the washroom but reluctant as she sat at the farside of the class (have to wait until break)
Late a little bit (you already know the consequence, sit at the end of the row which the lecturer shrinks into a hobbit, sometimes no table at all)
If not for some of its good lecturer & "not so expensive fees" i really dread the day to go there back again.
No offence to anyone though as nothing is perfect nod.gif
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:47 AM)
I have already attend his 1st term class but worried about the class size, especially when combine full & part time classes.
If there is any other better choice / alternative i won't consider KSA as my preferred centre.

Its not that comfortable to study (the air-condition malfunctions most of the time there is a class in auditorium), it got worse when everybody has to cramped into a pack of sardin with little room to manoeuvre. (push a little bit behind will hit somebody  sweat.gif )
You cannot even stretch your leg after a lengthy class  sweat.gif

I remember 1 time a girl wants to go to the washroom but reluctant as she sat at the farside of the class (have to wait until break)
Late a little bit (you already know the consequence, sit at the end of the row which the lecturer shrinks into a hobbit, sometimes no table at all)
If not for some of its good lecturer & "not so expensive fees" i really dread the day to go there back again.
No offence to anyone though as nothing is perfect  nod.gif
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i agree wit wat u said bout ksa. it's uncomfortable especially when da class is packed n students go there few hours b4 da class start jus to book place.

for p3, parmindar is da recommended choice. mco i heard quite a few bad comments from my fren. mayb u can go 4 ftms
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:47 AM)
I have already attend his 1st term class but worried about the class size, especially when combine full & part time classes.
If there is any other better choice / alternative i won't consider KSA as my preferred centre.

Its not that comfortable to study (the air-condition malfunctions most of the time there is a class in auditorium), it got worse when everybody has to cramped into a pack of sardin with little room to manoeuvre. (push a little bit behind will hit somebody  sweat.gif )
You cannot even stretch your leg after a lengthy class  sweat.gif

I remember 1 time a girl wants to go to the washroom but reluctant as she sat at the farside of the class (have to wait until break)
Late a little bit (you already know the consequence, sit at the end of the row which the lecturer shrinks into a hobbit, sometimes no table at all)
If not for some of its good lecturer & "not so expensive fees" i really dread the day to go there back again.
No offence to anyone though as nothing is perfect  nod.gif
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Since you already attend Parmindar 1st term course, then just continue la! Cos if you change lecturer now, the teaching method will be different and you need to suitable yourself again for the their method.

Regarding the class size, some time no choice cos famous lecturer sure got BIG SIZE class. What we can do was ask friends book place for us lo.

Lecturer like Choong Kwai Fatt, his class more than 250 student. He even not allow us to book the place for friend after start the class.

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p1 ----> kasturi(parminder) or mcorange(sheila)?
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guys i wanna ask if you wan to be an auditor must you take advanced audit & assurance (p7) ?

or you just need ACCA qualification to be an auditor...

i mean the kind of auditor can sign on audit work not the one who being employed to check on petty matters....
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Hi guys,i'm new here...
just want to ask about the exam centre..
i heard from a lecturer said during exam time if less candidates with the exam centre will easily to get pass,is it true? hmm.gif
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p1 ----> kasturi(parminder) or mcorange(sheila)?
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P1 should be Philip Woo (Kasturi), Sheila (Mc Orange).

Parmindar still new in teaching this subject, hard to give comment.
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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Aug 19 2008, 10:29 AM)
P1 should be Philip Woo (Kasturi), Sheila (Mc Orange).

Parmindar still new in teaching this subject, hard to give comment.
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wat u say between those 2 lecturer? which 1 u prefer to attend?

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Aug 19 2008, 08:57 AM)
Since you already attend Parmindar 1st term course, then just continue la! Cos if you change lecturer now, the teaching method will be different and you need to suitable yourself again for the their method.

Regarding the class size, some time no choice cos famous lecturer sure got BIG SIZE class. What we can do was ask friends book place for us lo.

Lecturer like Choong Kwai Fatt, his class more than 250 student. He even not allow us to book the place for friend after start the class.
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Actually i never consider to change lecturer (since i have a conduct a thorough analysis b4 eventually choosing him).
I was just frustrated over KSA crowded sardine environment.
Parmindar is fine but sometimes he can be "over animated" & gone off topic for certain times.

Speaking of CKF, will he be conducting any tax classes in near future ?


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i agree wit wat u said bout ksa. it's uncomfortable especially when da class is packed n students go there few hours b4 da class start jus to book place.

for p3, parmindar is da recommended choice. mco i heard quite a few bad comments from my fren. mayb u can go 4 ftms
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I have checked that new FTMS lecturer is IT based (student feed backs was not that encouraging either)
The previous one (Wong Siew Choo) although not bad but no point switching lecturer now (she has shift to PAC)
Speaking of booking place i always seen empty space "reserved" for friends but eventually "none came" & they grab 2 seats instead.
I don't mind this happen in normal class but in combined class this can become very unethical action mad.gif

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guys i wanna ask if you wan to be an auditor must you take advanced audit & assurance (p7) ?

or you just need ACCA qualification to be an auditor...

i mean the kind of auditor can sign on audit work not the one who being employed to check on petty matters....
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I have heard from my lecturer that unless you want to spend most of your life doing audit work there is very little point in
taking P7 (since its mostly theoretical in nature).
It depends on which kind of auditor you which to become :

External auditor (ie : KPMG, PWC, E&Y, Deloitte)
- its regulated so you need to be accountacy body member (MIA)
- most didn't stay long on this job as the pay is low, long working hours & tedious work.
- it was actually a foundation or platform for you to embark on a better prospect ot to build your experience to fulfill the PER.
- Some will eventually join other comp for better job positions or rise internally to become a senior staff, consultant or even partner.
- It is to build rapport with other staff of other companies that you have audited (to gain job employment oppurnities)
- Having an ACCA will be more than enough since experience is the one that really counts.

Internal auditor (within your own company)
- its not regulated (as long as you can convince the boss to hire, anyone can become one)
- Although not mandatory but being a member of Institute of Internal Auditors (IIA) will be a bonus advantage in your boss eyes.
- This is the job where they will eventually blame anything on you (if you did not check properly or miss something like fraud) since
the employer pay your wages but they are protected in some way.

Unless you want to become an expert in audit fields, you can consider P7. Otherwise F8 is more than enough.
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Any recommendation where to study F8?
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Philip Woo (Kasturi), Sheila (Mc Orange)
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It depends on what kind of lecturer you preferred :
Sheila John : She has many thick notes which will be helpful but she will just browse through which may lack the details in explanation of understanding.

Phillip Woo : He conduct class in weekend (normally up to 6 hours at a go). Class packed like sardin but a veteran lecturer who is also a key executive of a company. He can give you a lot of practical example & questions to try out. He like sto conduct mock test

Chin Ann : I have heard that some students that had failed under the 2 above lecturer went to study under him & finall passed.
He is a very dedicated lecturer & encoureage students to actuall write out the answer to familiarise with the technique & examiner style.
After much deliberation I choose him for F8 & finally pass it at 1 go.

His class was the least cramped of all.
Sheila & phillip class can strectch to over >100, Chin Ann will normally max 50.
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seriously who can i depend on for P7? i am so angry with paper ady but cannot help it to take this again coz i cldn't make myself to change paper. anyone pass P7 plz icon_question.gif ....

*Topace111 - i was miss sheila P1 student last two sitting. all i can say she is a very hardworking lecturer taking trouble to find URL for case study like bodyshop, balfour beatty...loreal....many more...note a bit bulky but she will highlight the key area. this paper need a little bit time to understand sarbanese oxley, corporate gov, ethic...report from turnbull... just take some time to read is enough....

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 19 2008, 11:06 AM)
Actually i never consider to change lecturer (since i have a conduct a thorough analysis b4 eventually choosing him).
I was just frustrated over KSA crowded sardine environment.
Parmindar is fine but sometimes he can be "over animated" & gone off topic for certain times.

Speaking of CKF, will he be conducting any tax classes in near future ?

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I agree with you for Parmindar sometimes "over animated" & "gone off topic". But you no need to worry too much, as he can finish the syllabus on time. You can see a lot of extra class coming soon under his time table.

For gone off topic. Actually not just Parmindar, but other lecturers also will do that. If you got chance to attend lecturer like CKF and Philip Woo, then you will know they talk more off topic than Parmindar. The main reason was they want to tell us some funny story to make us won't so sleepy in the class.

For CKF, I think he will conduct class in near future, but I'm no sure when he will do that. When he was happy, I think he will come back to conduct the class. So may be urs try to email to him and ask him come back to teach P6 la. When more student email to him, the chance he come back will very high.
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QUOTE(San14 @ Aug 19 2008, 10:28 AM)
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just want to ask about the exam centre..
i heard from a lecturer said during exam time if less candidates with the exam centre will easily to get pass,is it true? hmm.gif
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it may be a myth or fact...i think both, to say that u are competing with other candidates answer script which is the best maybe (if that so, then sunway exam centre may have the lowest pass rate if all candidates in exam hall is terer..yet most of them pass), to say that less candidates, easy for marker to mark ur script with less emotional of the market itself bcos compare to other exam centre which have to mark over 1k script i.e. sunway,uitm,unity ( but yet, if we did bad in our exam still fail no matter where the exam centre is)..so i dun know..the good thing is that we must do our best..although there is some rumours flying around with quota,with markup marks which strongly denied by the ACCA since it went into structured process of exam marking script..if i not mistaken, if ur marks around 40-49 they will mark for second time and discuss with the exam committee (included is the examiner) on whether this candidate should pass or not based on script written.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(HBK-reloaded @ Aug 19 2008, 12:17 PM)
f i not mistaken, if ur marks around 40-49 they will mark for second time and discuss with the exam committee (included is the examiner) on whether this candidate should pass or not based on script written.. laugh.gif
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I doubt that....or else I should have passed already mad.gif
Btw are you sure that P2 has major changes in syllabus?I don't really want to go back to attend the classes again....
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p2 syllabus has a major changes in groups n IAS 39.... so pandai2
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p2 syllabus has a major changes in groups n IAS 39.... so pandai2
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doh.gif shucks, I guess I've no choice.Back to the grindhouse then sad.gif
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Congrats to those who passed...
For those who failed with a little discrepancies..
Try again next sittings...
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QUOTE(HBK-reloaded @ Aug 19 2008, 12:17 PM)
it may be a myth or fact...i think both, to say that u are competing with other candidates answer script which is the best maybe (if that so, then sunway exam centre may have the lowest pass rate if all candidates in exam hall is terer..yet most of them pass), to say that less candidates, easy for marker to mark ur script with less emotional of the market itself bcos compare to other exam centre which have to mark over 1k script i.e. sunway,uitm,unity ( but yet, if we did bad in our exam still fail no matter where the exam centre is)..so i dun know..the good thing is that we must do our best..although there is some rumours flying around with quota,with markup marks which strongly denied by the ACCA since it went into structured process of exam marking script..if i not mistaken, if ur marks around 40-49 they will mark for second time and discuss with the exam committee (included is the examiner) on whether this candidate should pass or not based on script written.. laugh.gif
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Anyone who took F7 last sitting under Haneef kind enough to borrow the notes for me to photocopy? Especially on the standards part. The lecturer i'm under currently teaches based on examples & there's no explanation of the theory in the notes, so i find it a bit hard to study. I think it's better to read on the theory of the standard & then only move on to the examples depicting the standard. Pls PM me icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(San14 @ Aug 19 2008, 10:28 AM)
Hi guys,i'm new here...
just want to ask about the exam centre..
i heard from a lecturer said during exam time if less candidates with the exam centre will easily to get pass,is it true? hmm.gif
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lesser candidates will not make u easier to pass, but makes u more easier to get high marks,
the standard they set is there, u din reach the standard they still failed u no matter wat , the marker not only mark the area u exam, however, if u competitors are low standard.. and compare with them u are obviously higher standard,
the marks u get will be higher... a lot tongue.gif
My college is a real example...
few of my clsmate went back to their kampung to sit for exam,
we are almost same same std 1 hehe ... as we pass together and failed together offen .. and the marks are almost same tongue.gif the mock exam marks are in similar range too...
ok, i still remember, my p3 get 64 in jb, my fren in his kampung with 10 competitors and 2 absent donno how many are sleepin get 75 in p3, but another fren .. of coz he say he din study i donno wat lah ~ in his kampung he get 36 lor,
still failed no matter wat tongue.gif
maybe if ur marks near to pass it might be easier to pass in this situation ..
but still failed u if u kena in ur exam tongue.gif
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anyone knows whether any changes in F7?
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hi there..

just curious to know that all those new born ACCA Affiliate will go which firm to work? medium or big4?

im still in dilemma in choosing job for myself. Btw, i'm new born ACCA Affiliate too.. hehe tongue.gif

pls enlighten me on this matter.. thanks in advance! rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(dreamerJD @ Aug 19 2008, 11:15 PM)
Anyone who took F7 last sitting under Haneef kind enough to borrow the notes for me to photocopy? Especially on the standards part. The lecturer i'm under currently teaches based on examples & there's no explanation of the theory in the notes, so i find it a bit hard to study. I think it's better to read on the theory of the standard & then only move on to the examples depicting the standard. Pls PM me  icon_question.gif
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Who's the lecturer? I'm really curious
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hi there..

just curious to know that all those new born ACCA Affiliate will go which firm to work? medium or big4?

im still in dilemma in choosing job for myself. Btw, i'm new born ACCA Affiliate too.. hehe tongue.gif

pls enlighten me on this matter.. thanks in advance!  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:59 PM)
study CFA rclxms.gif
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i dun think i wan to study again lo.. haha
wanna start work already..
but the problem is, duno go medium or big4 to work.. heard a lot of rumours about pro n con between the two options.. cry.gif

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hey, I just got my exemptions letter which i going to be exempted F6 and F7(internal exam) and the letter stated there i needs to pay 110 pounds.

but yet,I'm doing my F7(external exam) to able me to apply for the OBU uni.

so what can I do now?

and the exemptions letter doesn't have the options whether i wanted to get exemption on which papers
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haha.. I guess u'll have to continue being curious tongue.gif Every lec has his/her own style of teaching. I'm not saying he/she is not a good lec, just that it don't suit my study style. Better not start naming & ruin the lec's reputation yeah?

Again, any ex-Haneef students or current Haneef students don't mind helping me? pls pls notworthy.gif
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i dun think i wan to study again lo.. haha
wanna start work already..
but the problem is, duno go medium or big4 to work.. heard a lot of rumours about pro n con between the two options..  cry.gif
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QUOTE(dreamerJD @ Aug 20 2008, 04:24 PM)
haha.. I guess u'll have to continue being curious  tongue.gif  Every lec has his/her own style of teaching. I'm not saying he/she is not a good lec, just that it don't suit my study style. Better not start naming & ruin the lec's reputation yeah?

Again, any ex-Haneef students or current Haneef students don't mind helping me?  pls pls notworthy.gif
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I have tried "extracting" views & opinions from lecturers & students alike about OBU and i get a pretty general idea :
For the new ACCA student whom started from F1 all the way to P7 when the new syllabus kicks in OBU has become a compulsory / mandatory
as per CPA in Australia which requires unvesity degree as a prerequisite. Most of the previous students are exempted from this but not the new generation students.
(It is part of ACCA collaboration with Oxford Brookes to strengthen the degree recognition but in the past the result is not that encouraging)

Most lecturers have 2 opinions regarding this issue (student alike) :
1) Technically OBU doesn't offer much as "add-on knowledge" or as employment advancement. Most bosses (with a/c knowledge) will not critically
judge the student's academic background by having an extra degree (by just spending few months to obtain it).
ACCA alone will be sufficient to start your career + gaining relevant experience = create better job oppurnities.
I got a very funny phrase here (why bother ordering another wine for dinner when you already have a bottle of champagne)

They agree though that if they are 2 staff with ACCA, same work experience length & potential, maybe & just maybe the OBU will act as
a bonus advantage.

2) To be employed by most big firms, companies or organizations they required the applicant to be 2nd upper or 1st class degree holder while some
will only opt for 1st. With ACCA alone its self explanatory that the candidate has necessary skills & experience to obtain a proffesional
qualification.

Next you will need to find a mentor for your OBU, if you study under different colleges & not under a single unversity this can be quite troublesome
& tedious. Lastly, the fees was not that cheap either.


Added on August 20, 2008, 10:14 pmProfessional scheme - pass rates
ACCA Qualification - pass rates

Paper Jun 2008
F1 = 83
F2 = 51
F3 = 48
F4 = 46
F5 = 28
F6 = 45
F7 = 33
F8 = 32
F9 = 42
P1 = 49
P2 = 48
P3 = 49
P4 = 36
P5 = 37
P6 = 36
P7 = 33

Apart from 2 killer papers P4 & P6 which gain some increase in pass rates, technically overall pass rate has dropped.
No wonder few can boast about F5

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Most lecturers have 2 opinions regarding this issue (student alike) :
1) Technically OBU doesn't offer much as "add-on knowledge" or as employment advancement. Most bosses (with a/c knowledge) will not critically
    judge the student's academic background by having an extra degree (by just spending few months to obtain it).
    ACCA alone will be sufficient to start your career + gaining relevant experience = create better job oppurnities.
    I got a very funny phrase here (why bother ordering another wine for dinner when you already have a bottle of champagne)
u r not spending just a few months to obtain it, actually u take about one and a half year, means that u have cover F1- F9 to opt to get the cert rite...

F1-F9 are act the syllabus in the normal degree scheme, probably more in depth... so we have the right to get the extra degree... Are u agree?


Added on August 20, 2008, 10:29 pmWhere do u get the pass rate for the june 2008 examination?

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I attend Viknes class for 3 times but my exam still failed....feel shy to attend his class again.

Can anyone give me an idea, how to pass this paper and who I should attend beside Viknes???



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QUOTE(cospi03 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
u r not spending just a few months to obtain it, actually u take about one and a half year, means that u have cover F1- F9 to opt to get the cert rite...

F1-F9 are act the syllabus in the normal degree scheme, probably more in depth... so we have the right to get the extra degree... Are u agree?


Added on August 20, 2008, 10:29 pmWhere do u get the pass rate for the june 2008 examination?
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Definitely nod.gif but actually its not that important if you don't take OBU hmm.gif (unless you want to prove to others especially those who don't know much about ACCA). I also planned to take but after hearing from most feedbacks i don't think it makes much a difference anyway.
However there is also no harm in taking it. smile.gif
However if you have ACCA + CIMA or ACCA + CPA or ACCA + CFA or eben ACCA + ICAEW then it would truly make a big difference.

The pass rate was obtained here :
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...essional_scheme
Just came out only, i discovered it by chance.


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Ugh. Very low pass rates. No wonder I only got marginal passes for F5 and F7. Thankful though..

I'm sure it was Question 3 in F5 that killed most candidates. As for F7 I believe it's Question 2. Not that it has never been, but it just came out in a different manner

Updated : That means in the new syllabus, F8 isn't the only paper that can potentially drag you to a halt in Part 2, thanks to F5. 2.1 was so much better..

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
Definitely nod.gif  but actually its not that important if you don't take OBU  hmm.gif (unless you want to prove to others especially those who don't know much about ACCA). I also planned to take but after hearing from most feedbacks i don't think it makes much a difference anyway.
However there is also no harm in taking it. smile.gif
However if you have ACCA + CIMA or ACCA + CPA or ACCA + CFA or eben ACCA + ICAEW then it would truly make a big difference.

The pass rate was obtained here :
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...essional_scheme
Just came out only, i discovered it by chance.
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My boss tell me that now ACCA student without uni degree need 5 years to obtain FCCA now is it ?
and he told me that with OBU it can reduce to 3 years again .. so i think .. the only use of OBU is this tongue.gif i got it on july based on my boss info tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
Definitely nod.gif  but actually its not that important if you don't take OBU  hmm.gif (unless you want to prove to others especially those who don't know much about ACCA). I also planned to take but after hearing from most feedbacks i don't think it makes much a difference anyway.
However there is also no harm in taking it. smile.gif
However if you have ACCA + CIMA or ACCA + CPA or ACCA + CFA or eben ACCA + ICAEW then it would truly make a big difference.

The pass rate was obtained here :
http://www.accaglobal.com/students/study_e...essional_scheme
Just came out only, i discovered it by chance.
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I think its very important if u are working and studying ACCA part time... Its help u very much to join any MNC companies.. cool2.gif
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but depend on wat position u took tongue.gif
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QUOTE(automan @ Aug 20 2008, 10:32 PM)
I attend Viknes class for 3 times but my exam still failed....feel shy to attend his class again.

Can anyone give me an idea, how to pass this paper and who I should attend beside Viknes???
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Please post here(the date) if Kasturi IRC timetable out.. notworthy.gif
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totally speechless when i look at June passing rates. ACCA is just trying to make the maximum profit out of us! vmad.gif vmad.gif
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totally speechless when i look at June passing rates. ACCA is just trying to make the maximum profit out of us! vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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can share the passing rate icon_question.gif
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totally speechless when i look at June passing rates. ACCA is just trying to make the maximum profit out of us! vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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and they keep on increasing da subscription n exam fees annually. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:01 PM)
I have tried "extracting" views & opinions from lecturers & students alike about OBU and i get a pretty general idea :
For the new ACCA student whom started from F1 all the way to P7 when the new syllabus kicks in OBU has become a compulsory / mandatory
as per CPA in Australia which requires unvesity degree as a prerequisite. Most of the previous students are exempted from this but not the new generation students.
(It is part of ACCA collaboration with Oxford Brookes to strengthen the degree recognition but in the past the result is not that encouraging)

Most lecturers have 2 opinions regarding this issue (student alike) :
1) Technically OBU doesn't offer much as "add-on knowledge" or as employment advancement. Most bosses (with a/c knowledge) will not critically
    judge the student's academic background by having an extra degree (by just spending few months to obtain it).
    ACCA alone will be sufficient to start your career + gaining relevant experience = create better job oppurnities.
    I got a very funny phrase here (why bother ordering another wine for dinner when you already have a bottle of champagne)

    They agree though that if they are 2 staff with ACCA, same work experience length & potential, maybe & just maybe the OBU will act as
    a bonus advantage.

2) To be employed by most big firms, companies or organizations they required the applicant to be 2nd upper or 1st class degree holder while some
    will only opt for 1st. With ACCA alone its self explanatory that the candidate has necessary skills & experience to obtain a proffesional
    qualification.

Next you will need to find a mentor for your OBU, if you study under different colleges & not under a single unversity this can be quite troublesome
& tedious. Lastly, the fees was not that cheap either.


Added on August 20, 2008, 10:14 pmProfessional scheme - pass rates
ACCA Qualification - pass rates

Paper  Jun 2008 
F1 =      83
F2    =  51
F3  =    48
F4  =    46
F5  =    28
F6    = 45
F7  =    33
F8  =  32
F9  =    42
P1  =    49
P2  =  48
P3  =  49
P4    =  36
P5    =  37
P6    =  36
P7    =  33

Apart from 2 killer papers P4 & P6 which gain some increase in pass rates, technically overall pass rate has dropped.
No wonder few can boast about F5
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QUOTE(dOuBLeJ @ Aug 18 2008, 05:16 PM)
i'm currently a cat student n i was so suprised tat i passed my t5!
n i only answered 2 1/2 out of 5..
41/100..
unbelievable!
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Gratz lo..^^

this new kind of question really scare lots of candidates lo..^^
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I think the pass rate will keep on dropping as the 1st or 2nd papers normally serve as introductory to familiarise students to the exam style & format.
Once that period lapses the examiner will have every pleasure to twist & turn the paper around to make it harder.

However on the plus side, with more exam papers to boot, student will have more oppurnities to familiarise with the paper itself.
I can see a trend in the optional proffesinal papers where the examiners try to maintain the pass rate at 30%
The core proffesional papers have an average 45% to 50% but i expect it will eventually drop to 40%.

Students that was happily hoping papers like financial reporting & audit will eventually becoming easy to pass was devastated here.
Since i have just sat that 2 papers myself, i have notice a very clever tactic used by the examiner to trick the students.
ACCA students have a "knack" to memorise the format & style of exam paper over the years, then they make their own assumption to handle it.
However, this time the examiner mischievously scrambe the order this time around.

F7 : after so many consecutive sitting, they change Qs2 into redrafting the FS & prepare SCE while giving some weird transactions.
Students without proper technic, skills or planning will get a shock & normally spend the rest of the time doing & redoing the QS.
Apart from that QS, Q1 & Q3 was pretty easy enough to score while Q4 & Q5 touching on the surface of standards.

F8 : Every one starting to love Alan Lewin gets the "bombshell" this time. As everyone thought SP qs will be asked they memorise & practice tons of
SP qs & (will spend the 15 minute planning time to draft the 1st question : normally SP). However it turn out to be TOC.
Most student whom cannot adjust & adapt will spend 15 minutes staring at the qs wondering what to do now (they will normally go
from biggrin.gif brows.gif ) to this ( cry.gif hmm.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif ).
Next, is the issue of going concern which they already ask 2 times consecutive, many lecturers including students predict it will never come out
& come out it did brows.gif .

My suggestion is that never trust your lecturer's view or prediction 100% but you can take their advice & guidance. Good lecturers like their students
to constructively debate the lecturer's view to build student's own mental skill. However, this rarely happen especially when there is a lot of students around.
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Agreed. My Q2 in F7 was my last question, and with just 30 minutes left and faced with a rare style of asking, I honestly started to panic. Tried adjusting for every note that I can understand.

I wonder if, with the significantly lower pass rate esp F5, is the whole course getting tougher, and that they are trying to pass as little as they can
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I'm planning to attend FTMS P4 August Class. I noticed that FTMS will provide catch up class, just wan to check the catch up class can cover all the syllabus that was taught on July ? The lecturer teaching method for the catch up class is "Express" or will same like the normal class speed ?



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Wow,pass rates look pretty low this time around. Apart frm the odd few that went up (surprisingly P4 as well,lol), it's pretty much all low.
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Hi,

I want to take F8 and F9. Cannot find the text book for F9 at the major book stores laaa (am self studying). Anyone selling their textbook or notes that I can use???? or can help me buy one from their college?

Thanks


Added on August 21, 2008, 4:00 pmJust to share my experience:

In the previous June08 exam, I took F7 and self studied. Did go to Joe Fang's revision and find his technique really helpful. I passed with 61 and was quite surprised because I only focused on the doing the accounts (do a lot of exercise on this) and not much on the standards. The standards I seriously goreng one (because have to work and got baby to jaga so not much time to sit and study). But I make sure my accounts I do properly laaa... So maybe... if you not so good in writing essays you can focus on the figures laa..

Just my 2 sen


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QUOTE(barkhan @ Aug 21 2008, 03:57 PM)
Hi,

I want to take F8 and F9. Cannot find the text book for F9 at the major book stores laaa (am self studying). Anyone selling their textbook or notes that I can use???? or can help me buy one from their college?

Thanks


Added on August 21, 2008, 4:00 pmJust to share my experience:

In the previous June08 exam, I took F7 and self studied. Did go to Joe Fang's revision and find his technique really helpful. I passed with 61 and was quite surprised because I only focused on the doing the accounts (do a lot of exercise on this) and not much on the standards. The standards I seriously goreng one (because have to work and got baby to jaga so not much time to sit and study). But I make sure my accounts I do properly laaa... So maybe... if you not so good in writing essays you can focus on the figures laa..

Just my 2 sen
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F7 still can "bluff" your way since its still 75% calculation but don't try it at P2 (I haven't met a single person dare to utter this word at P2).
P1 & P3 you can still "bluff" but requires a reasonable level of mastery in english to get through.
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QUOTE(barkhan @ Aug 21 2008, 03:57 PM)
Hi,

I want to take F8 and F9. Cannot find the text book for F9 at the major book stores laaa (am self studying). Anyone selling their textbook or notes that I can use???? or can help me buy one from their college?

Thanks


Added on August 21, 2008, 4:00 pmJust to share my experience:

In the previous June08 exam, I took F7 and self studied. Did go to Joe Fang's revision and find his technique really helpful. I passed with 61 and was quite surprised because I only focused on the doing the accounts (do a lot of exercise on this) and not much on the standards. The standards I seriously goreng one (because have to work and got baby to jaga so not much time to sit and study). But I make sure my accounts I do properly laaa... So maybe... if you not so good in writing essays you can focus on the figures laa..

Just my 2 sen
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For F9 you can try this:
http://www.opentuition.com/acca/index.php
you have to sign up first though, it is free anyway.
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is there any tarc students, taking 1st yr adv dip in FA?
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hi. i got something to ask about the adminstrative review... is it able to get pass for the subject failed at 49 marks. as my friend failed 2 of the subjects at 49 marks!... she is so sad aboutt it. urgently.. need to tell her what to do next?... thanks..
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I think the problem with F5 low passing rates are the mentallity of students, especially those taking F4,F5,F6, who are fresh from CAT or ACCA part 1.

In Sunway College, the passing rate for F5 is 51%, and most of those who passed was the batch that taken F5 together with F8 and F9, as they had already taken F4, F6, and F7. Most failures comes from the batch fresh from CAT with combination of F4,F5,F6. It appears that somehow, after getting used to ACCA part 2, especially the experience in F7, it really helps alot in developing the maturity to attempt F5. In fact, I also find F5 one of the easiest paper in Part 2.

There are very few who took 4 subjects, which includes F5 with P3, and their comment was F5 is just too simple. They did not attend classes, and can still achieve 80+. Reason is because, they said, after completing F4,F6,F7,F8, and currently taking F5,F9,P2,P3, looking at F5 syllabus, its just a walk in the park.

Therefore, to those who find difficulty in F5, i think it is a good idea to take some other established subjects in Part 2, and attempt F5 after that.
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Since the "mentality" of F5 has been addressed i will try to point out what the examiner said :
1. The ratio of calculative : theory = 55% : 45%
2. The examiner views "evidence of some poor time management" among students :
- using slow method to handle linear programming
- write too much for little marks
3. Problem = "The question that was missed out most often (if one was) was question 3. This is the “performance management” question and the
core of the paper."

Solution = "This is a core topic. It is what separates F2 from F5. In F2 candidates have to perform calculations – and that’s it. No interpretation at all. In F5 some calculation will be required but (and crucially) some interpretation will be expected. This can not be avoided."

4) "Poor layout is not acceptable; (including excessive crossing out, unlabelled workings, no tabulation, “essay” style answers for numerical calculations are all typical problems). "

Although not mandatory but understanding examiner's style & preferred technics is necessary to (at least pass) handle the paper.
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 21 2008, 04:26 PM)
F7 still can "bluff" your way since its still 75% calculation  but don't try it at P2 (I haven't met a single person dare to utter this word at P2).
P1 & P3 you can still "bluff" but requires a reasonable level of mastery in english to get through.
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I'm only saying this with regards to F7 lah. My friend also said cannot do this with P2. examiners are really particular with the essay questions for P2. Have to answer if not they give zero.(that's what my friend say because her lecturer examiner)

thanks for the info on F9 blackart

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Aug 21 2008, 04:26 PM)
F7 still can "bluff" your way since its still 75% calculation  but don't try it at P2 (I haven't met a single person dare to utter this word at P2).
P1 & P3 you can still "bluff" but requires a reasonable level of mastery in english to get through.
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I got some friends who told me that if you barely made it at F7(50s marks and you just bang for the calculation), prepare for the time of your life in P2.
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QUOTE(Kaerna @ Aug 22 2008, 03:25 PM)
I got some friends who told me that if you barely made it at F7(50s marks and you just bang for the calculation), prepare for the time of your life in P2.
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for p2, the calculation part is the conso question only. others mainly are theoratical stuff. so have to be good in explaining standards
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hai

i wanted to continue study my ACCA part time in singapore next year..
anyone here studying at singapore?
need some guildlines when i half work and study in singapore..

there is some question puzzled me as i browse for tuition provider in singapore..
- i have to register as international student or normal student as i'm working at singapore?
- i saw the SAA college in singapore stated that we have to register at ICPAS and pay the student fees every year,it was only when i'm study ACCA or even until i finish ACCA and work.but i didn't see other college in singapore require student to register with ICPAS..
is the ICPAS is compulsory?

thanks in advance if anyone can help me..thanks.. smile.gif


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Hi...everybody....

Anyone have F8, P2 & P3 notes for sales?????


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QUOTE(micmic288 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:45 PM)
What is wrong with acca? Set the passing rate freaking low, keep on changing the syllabus and make so many students fail and fail and fail! Is it better to go uk?

If i ever know this situation, i should take degree earlier on
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QUOTE(lawrence1437 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:50 PM)
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i guess wouldn't hurt to share my marks here.

p1 - 56
p2 - 66
p4 - 73
p7- 54

Damn grateful I passed all of it. XD finally can work, and achieve my personal goal of graduating in 2 1/2 years.
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Aug 22 2008, 09:07 PM)
i guess wouldn't hurt to share my marks here.

p1 - 56
p2 - 66
p4 - 73
p7- 54

Damn grateful I passed all of it. XD finally can work, and achieve my personal goal of graduating in 2 1/2 years.
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wow,thats a record there...where do u went(class) for P7&P4?

anyone of u joining andrew pang F5 classes,where did stop teachin?at which topic/chapter??

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