i can see you are self-motivated!! That's great!

I would suggest another combination for you

First sem: F4, F6, F7 and F8

Second sem: F5, F9 , P2, P3

Last sem: P1 and optionals

The logic is if you pass F8 in the first sem, then your confidence will be boosted.

F5 and F9 are more on your analytical and language skills. if can do P3 n P2 then these two are easy..

Please consider the actual exam timetable.. if they are divided into two weeks then is an advantage.

There is a girl who did this combination and get an avg of > 80 mks. of course, she is a brilliant girl.. But i guess you are very brilliant also. Good luck!!

i can see you are self-motivated!! That's great!

I would suggest another combination for you

First sem: F4, F6, F7 and F8

Second sem: F5, F9 , P2, P3

Last sem: P1 and optionals

The logic is if you pass F8 in the first sem, then your confidence will be boosted.

F5 and F9 are more on your analytical and language skills. if can do P3 n P2 then these two are easy..

Please consider the actual exam timetable.. if they are divided into two weeks then is an advantage.

There is a girl who did this combination and get an avg of > 80 mks. of course, she is a brilliant girl.. But i guess you are very brilliant also. Good luck!!

Syllabus wise F4 law & F8 audit covers a lot more compared to other F papers.
However F6 tax & F7 reporting can test almost every part of the paper (> 80%)
F5 management & F9 finance requires balancing in theories & calculation.

P1 & P3 requires elaboration & arguing skill to sneak through.
P2 requires understanding & apllication of standards to muscle through.

The paper difficulty depends on your skills, some find tax easy while some find it to be very tough (it depends : heterogenuinity theory).
Since examiner are armed with the "license to kill" in professional papers, some may find the transition from F papers to P papers not that easy.
Speaking of college, which college you go to ? Do you plan to take all your papers at a single college ?

As I said b4, for all the prof level paper, memorize is no more important, cos examiner more require student in application.

I don't know what your 2 ex-tax lecturer try to tell you, but as Kwai Fatt told me 3.2/P6 is very challenging paper but very good paper oso. For eg, your EPF + Ins = 8000, but max only 6000. Then you must write "EPF + Ins 8000 Restricted 6000". If you don't write like that, then you will lost some marks. In conclusion, understand tax com is more important than remember format. So if you don't understand tax com, no matter how good your memorise format but oso won't help in your exam.

As I know oso, currently P6 won't require student to do much in calculation. Examiner want student base in senario to advise how to do tax, but not memorize tax com format to calculation.

But since you take P4, why not take P5 together? P4 & P5 is better combination, some more P5 more easy.

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Added on November 14, 2008, 11:00 pm
Wah so rich ah, study all paper in Sunway. Ha Ha, Joking only la!

But you must work very hard if you choose to study in Sunway, cos not much experience lecturer there.

I heard some bad news oso, Ms Menon no longer teaching F7 next sitting onward    (If I'm wrong, then sorry lo)

Wah, course fees so high oso considered cheap ah?

Do you know that KSA only RM700 to RM800++ per subject, Mc Orange also RM800 to RM1000 per subject, some more with better experience lecturer?

Up to you, if you like college life, then go to Sunway. But if want to follow experience lecturer to know more about examiner requirement and better exam technique, then consider KSA and Mc Orange.

for the next year, Menon will give up teaching for F7 and focus on P2, mainly because her workload is too much

well is good for her to focus her teaching in P2 and ICAEW
as far as i know, if this sitting the requirement not up to standard, Sunway might lose the platinum status
refer few post above on you

people, i need a lil help on ROE. suddenly get a lil confused.

ROE= PAT/Equity.

My question is the Equity should be solely OSC or OSC+ RE?

For example:

Year 0                                 
OSC: 10                                        
RE: 24.1                                     

Year 1
OSC: 10                                        
RE: 24.1+ Current Year RE 1.83= 25.93

So ROE for Year 1 is:
(a) PAT of year 1/ (10+ 24.1)
OR
(b) PAT of year 1/ (10+24.1+1.83)
OR
© PAT of year 1/ 10
?????

Thank you very much.

I think may be you still new to ACCA, so don't know much about story la.

10++ years ago, Sunway got a lot of good lecturer like Choong Kwai Fatt, Andrew Pang and etc. But today, a lot of them already run to other college, except for Menon. Majority of ACCA lecturer in Sunway are inexperience, but due to Prize Winner and good advertisment, a lot of student still prefer Sunway.

Of course if you choose study ACCA in Sunway, still got a lot of advantage like college life, big big library, monthly mock test and etc. Some ppl like to study under this environment, but for me just so so only la!

If you choose study in KSA/Mc Orange, the environment just like tuition centre, but they provide a lot of experience lecturer. All these experience lecturer prepare a lot of good study material for student, tell student about examiner requirement and exam technique.

In conclusion, both oso got advantage and disadvantage:

Study in Sunway need to work very hard due to inexperience lecturer, but college life and better study environment can help you have better study feeling.

Study in KSA/Mc Orange, tuition fee cheap + experience lecturer, so concentrate just study cos lecturer already do a lot of work to help student pass exam. But KSA/Mc Orange just like tuition centre, not everybody like it.

So up to you to make any decision.

my recommendation, stay in Sunway but go out for some papers. you can ask your senior which papers to go out.. hehe..

you doing four papers right? I think you should stay in Sunway for lectures then go out for revision if necessary. If go out for lectures, definately make you very tired and not able to concentrate..

That's good.. no need to go in weekend!! Erm, some papers if can handle, can skip the class.. unless u really prefer to stay in class to listen. Learning process could be slower..

F7 and P2 exam same day if im not wrong. Btw, some of my classmates took F4,F6,F7,F8. Then F5,F9,P2,P3. During F5,F9,P2,P3, they say they focus on P2 and P3 only, coz they find F5 too simple. ( in the end 1 of them got 80 for F5, and another 90 for F9 = =). They are from Sunway, i think u ask them to give u this combination, they might allow. Afterall, ur the one sitting for exams . If they discourage u, show them that u have good track record, and u can handle it XD

I STRONGLY ADVISE U NOT GO TO OTHER COLLEGE COS ALL THESE KSA MCORANGE LOW STD AND WILL AFFECT UR CV

All ACCA exams are standard time. 3pm in Malaysia.

This means that if F7 and P2 is in the same day, both will be conducted at 3pm.

Since Sunway lecturer so good, then you no need to come to KL college to attend experience lecturer tuition and revision class lo. If every Sunway student do like that, then I think next sitting onward, Philip Woo F8 & P1 and Parmindar P3 class won't be 300++ student until student feel very hard to study. If Kwai Fatt run IRC also, then his class won't be full so fast and more non Sunway student can attend his class.

I think we have a tendency for missing the whole point, as ACCA students generally. I've begun to hear strange things about what people think of ACCA.

Some start to say that they now find ACCA very much a commodity, at least amongst fellow auditors. For ACCA students who went straight to the tuition centers without degree (aka CAT-ACCA programme), they've been known to lack presentation ability. (broad generalization)

PwC for instance, from what I heard, prefers Australian/UK graduates over M'sia ACCA (sunway or not, makes no difference to them). So actually, in all honesty whether you are from Sunway or not should logically make no difference.

I personally suspect the reason being, pure ACCA students have a strange view of the world. As if the world owes them things...

Now, I am not saying ACCA is bad. Just it's Malaysian students generally aren't as good as overseas grads at speaking english, and given our ACCA culture of spoonfeeding by lecturers, we aren't the best at research either.

So, in a dynamic environment, we generally aren't really the best equipped to deal with it, (living and thinking skills wise).

(Again this is just a broad generalization on what people have told me of what they think of ACCA grads, especially SPM-CAT-ACCA ones, so if you feel offended, I'm very sorry)

You can write whatever college your study and according to my working experience, nobody will interest where are you study once you are grad ACCA. I can tell you also once you work for few year, the boss only interest to know what you can contribute to their co, but not SUNWAY STUDENT.

But what I know was every year Big 4 will get new employee due to their senior leaving. Basically all these boss will only know Sunway due to their good relationship with Sunway boss. But they just give chance to Sunway student doesn't mean Sunway student can enter to Big 4 easy. Everything is depend on the Audit Manager.

If the Audit Manager accept you b'cos of only you are the Sunway Student, I can said he won't be a good superior. You no need to hope can learn anything from him cos he only see Sunway student but doesn't make good judgement whether you are good staff or not.

I disagree Sunway will be 1st choice for ACCA student. For choose college, it is depend on what you want. If want good study environment then choose Sunway, but must accept their inexperience lecturer. If you want experience lecturer, then choose KSA/MCO, but have to accept their study environment. There is no perfect in the world.

A lot of full time student study in low standard college KSA, MCO, SEGI, but oso can grad within 3 years. Means that good student go to where also can study, not neccesary need good study environment.

Lastly, I totally disagree Sunway ACCA student CV got more value than KSA/MCO ACCA student CV. I also never heard when boss know you are Sunway ACCA student, then will got more chance. TOTALLY STUPID.........

If the Audit Manager accept you b'cos of only you are the Sunway Student, I can said he won't be a good superior. You no need to hope can learn anything from him cos he only see Sunway student but doesn't make good judgement whether you are good staff or not.

My conclusion very simple, every ACCA student grad also same, there is no such thing say "Sunway ACCA student got more value in their CV".

For TARC lecturer, I can say a lot of it also inexperience due to TARC don't want to pay high salary to employe experience lecturer, but their student exempt part 1 & part 2 exam. In Prof level paper, a lot of TARC student go to KL college for add tuition or revision class.

And we already close arguement since yesterday, please do not bring it up again. I'm very disappointed you still want to bring it to argue.

But I need to tell you something, since you still new to ACCA, please don't simply make conclusion say Sunway very good place to study ACCA. Everything oso good and bad, no perfect in the world.