For a stpm student, if you household not generating a high monthly income, and your result not as well as you expect, and public Uni do not give wat you want.

At laz, what choice do you have except UTAR.

Why UTAR?
- fees cheap
- 3 years for degree
- choice less
- the one and only sound nice bcoz named University

Ppl often ask me, why dun KTAR?
- SPM student will still going for ktar, bcoz 2year diploma, 2 year advance diploma
- but STPM student hav no choice, imposible you wan them after spending 2 years for form 6, now spending 4 more years for advanced diploma?
- lastly, STPM willl go for UTAR

Am i a supporter of UTAR? no no no
I juz wan to let u know, UTAR is not as good as you think also.

You know what happened to foundation new intake student? last year is rm 4000 ++ for foudation studies, this year bcome rm 7000++, our inflation rates also did not exceed 100%, but UTAR inflation already gone until 90%, scary.

Don't expect UTAR having a olympic size swimming pool like KTAR or other colleges, the cocuriculum activity can be considered 0, what you willl saw is those, maths society, english society etc.

The worse thing, Utar degree year 3 student (havent graduate) but teaching utar foundation students?

Equipment like classroom o mic o sound system, broken.

Juz to let you know all this, but you still can choose for it, cause i heard they are building a new campus in KAMPAR.
But heard ppl said they pakat wif the construction company, cause all the house beside the UTAR kampar is belong to the construction company, and there only for rent, and expensive.

Anyone ex student UTAR can come and giv more better opinion, maybe i only saw the negative sides of UTAR....

hey..
dont think UTAR as a place for STPM drop out..
xpensive?
i highly doubt it because of d facility they provide in the university is high class
the degree is depending on what course u take..not all course is 3years as u noe..

yes i can say its xpensive for renting a room near the university BUT u must noe..its including security,laundry,electric bill,water bill,internet bill..
rm 190 for twin sharing is perfectly fine compare2 kl..right?

the degree graduate is up2 standard with other university's available..
so pls...dont judge a book by its cover..
dont blive come n 2 UTAR KAMPAR,PERAK open day then u will noe..


btw im a student of UTAR KAMPAR PERAK
pls feel free 2 pm about anyth...
i have pics to prove UTAR KAMPAR is a gd place

Ya, i think you're lucky in Kampar, btwn, if u come and c my little bro in PJ . wao, tat is really a place i cant imagine, i advice my brother go there, and utar telling my bro, u nid to delay for 1 year. omg...

That day i went into my bro lecturer hall. tat is really unimagineable, broken mic, no sound PA system, all trash on floor, echo too heavy. You should try your life in PJ. Kampar as i know, out side was pretty, but inside i dunno.

because its a new campus and all brand new equiptment, all its fantastic..
i heard frm my fren in pj,setapak,sg. long..
all damn teruk..
cos its new in kampar, so not all course have shifted here,dats y ur bro will nit2 wait a year if wana come kampar..
hehe

The place is NEW, sure NICE la...

i thought kampar is a nice place for study? the environment is quite peaceful and calm wat .. if i hv the chance,i'll go there as well..

so is there any part-time job vacancy in kampar? near the housing of coz..

ermm..its well maintained lor here..
u dont blive u can jz come here...
its a gd place2 study...
once u come here2 study then u will noe..
yes..there will b no entertainment for nw..
bt im sure there will b nex time

There is still MMU, Uniten (If you want to go for engineering) and other private university. Btw, in Utar kampar, anytime can go up cameron highland and enjoy the fresh air.

How much times it takes from Kampar UTAR to Cameron Highland??
And UTAR is half govn,and half private right??
Coz I refer the fees is not as pricey as other private U like MMU & UCSI
If not wrong,for the 1st year of STPM student who are taking degree courses will be on Kampar

yes obviously UTAR fees aint as xpensive as uniten o mmu..
d quality is d same or maybe much better..
dat dpends on d student lar..
hehe
lecturer is fantastic..

stpm student will go2 year 1 sem 1 for degree...
dpending on wat course..
if for diploma,most prob go year 2 sem 1


how long ar..
depends wat road u take..
if frm ipoh new road2 cameron is bout 45mins..
if frm kampar thru old road, 1hour +

here's 1 of the pic of UTAR Kampar
tats the view frm d cafeteria to the lake nex to it


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So nice ar the view. I might consider Utar kampar but Utar got only a few courses for business and what i want not inside. Other private uni like MMU so expensive.

UTAR Kampar sure looks nice..
but the course i wanted to do is not yet recognised there ..
Will be recognised soon after the first batch graduates.

This post has been edited by sunshine88: Apr 2 2008, 05:00 PM

Is the Bachelor of Science (Hons) Physics in UTAR is recognised??????

Is mechanical engineering course offered in utar kampar now?

How's the ambience of the campus? I mean the culture, english speaking surroundings? No offense to chinese speaking community

ermm
d course recognize or not im nt sure..
didnt really check it out..
sorry cant ans..
ermm
no there?
sure o nt..mayb its diff name..
gt go n enquire?
best2 enquire..

yup..its all english speaking here, bt there r still student who still speaks chinese..
bt im sure it much more student speaking english than chinese compare 2 ktar..
no offence..bt dats wat i observe...

Dont compare UTAR with KTAR, its obviously a different class if you ask me. I am not sounding bias here, but its my past experience in both institution that teaches me what you will get from both place. No doubt, UTAR does have its bad side, but so far, I still think the positive side of UTAR is the one attracting the students. The students I mean here is not only Chinese, but Malay, Indians as well as Middle East (he suprises me as well) student.

Your first issue here is about the fees. UTAR is a private University and if it does not raises its fees, how they gonna cope with all the raising expenses. Its a simple theory here, you want the best for your studies, and to provide you with the best, of course they will ask for more money !

Secondly, Rome was not build in one day. Of course you cant expect to have all the best sporting facilities like in KTAR. The main campus in Kampar was only completed in 2007 and the first degree intake for Kampar was in 2008. How the heck you expect them to build so many sporting facilities there in such a short time ? KTAR had a history of more than 30 years, but their main sporting complex was only build in year 2004. And how you know UTAR doesnt focus on cocuriculum. Let me tell you this, every UTAR student will finish their class on 2pm on each Wednesday. Whatever course they take, they will finish their class at exactly 2pm on each Wednesday. But why izzit so ? Because, the rest of the time on Wednesday will be use for cocuriculum ! Either you can attend society meeting or activities and seminar/talk by other prominent figures. We have Travellers Den organizing outdoor trips activites so regularly, Music Club that rocks the whole campus up and down, Sports Club with their daily activites and others.

And if you say the living cost in Kampar is expensive, try to come Setapak, Sungai Long or even PJ. The rental cost here is absolutely more astonishing compared to Kampar. If you think the UTAR hostel in Kampar is expensive, then try to look sumwhere else. There are plenty of housing area surrounding Kampar campus. That area is almost as huge as Wangsa Maju.

However, the only thing I am not satisfy with UTAR is their Management. Lousy management. As for others I am alright with it, considering the fees I pay is reasonable.

Jz my 2cents.

chill dude..
dont b so angry o wat ok..
he's jz comparing..
ermm
ya..
and guess what?
the sports complex is going 2 b open to students by end of this month or early next month..
ya.
sports activity is going2 b a hit in UTAR Kampar

"For a stpm student, if you household not generating a high monthly income, and your result not as well as you expect, and public Uni do not give wat you want.

At laz, what choice do you have except UTAR.

Why UTAR?
- fees cheap
- 3 years for degree
- choice less
- the one and only sound nice bcoz named University"

well, i guess thats the reason why i joined UTAR...the equipments and stuff in Sg Long are abit off but i could live with that...dont know about UTAR Kampar tho...i think it shouldnt be of a problem since the campus is still new...

@TheVoice....i dont know about UTAR Kampar, but in Sg Long, most of the students here speak mandarin....but thats just from my observation, so dont flame me k...

frankly, i dont really care whether the university is good or bad as i believe that the most important thing is that we study hard and try our best so i dont waste my time and parents money...thats what matters most to me...

does utar in kampar hav engineering courses and actuarial science degree now?

Enginering i am not sure about it

But i know that 2009 January there will be first batch of Acturial student there..

U can call or email utar if u got enquiry, they often reply faz thru email

engineering courses got...
I got the form for Degree...
The form got mention some engineering courses will in Kampar for the 1st year...

then how bout UTAR at sungai long?diploma student will start their degree 2nd year and finish 2 years degree there..how is their management and facilities?

those who wants to go UTAR pj campus
prepare to double park and kena saman
over the 3 years im here...i kena over 10 saman

fight for parking constantly..
10 am class 7 am+ go there to get parking
-.-

Use bus or bicycle lorr...

Th intake is around 24 May. How if i register late, let's say around end of june and get in that time. Can or not? Cuz i'm waiting for my local result.

A bit risky, but I have seen people doing that in the past. However, some course will not take in anymore students as soon as the course commence. So depend on your luck la. Try to enquire more on this from the faculty office.

i'm utar sg long student, 2 years at there and last sem for me now...so far, everything smooth no problem at all...try give Utar some time to improve as is still a new U compare with others...

for last year, many students came the day after the local university's results were out and got turned away.

its already 4weeks into the course, you might miss out on many things especially in the coursework marks, so there's a very very low chance they will accept you in.

U studying in PJ? which block? my brother in PD... He alway say, if class at around noon 10-12, better u direct park bak ur car in your house and walk go..... bcoz like tat u nonid pay for tat saman. he say, Utar alway ask people to car pool, while lecturer all drive one car by themselve even living in same area, action konon..... student all car pool, but car park stil dun hav... Why don't utar lecturer park outsdie and let student park inside?? is it applicable...

not yet and expected to be recognized on Feb 2009 .

i dont think so. i suggest you to call UTAR directly.

This post has been edited by LYR: Apr 4 2008, 09:39 PM

no offence, but have you heard of this happening anywhere?

even if out of respect, you will let the lecturer have the parking lot even if there is only one and you both saw it at the same time rite?

the parking problem is everywhere, more so in PJ since its a more congested area. by car pooling, one less person will have to search for parking. ur bro dun need to search for parking if he car pools.

Parking an issue? Try to go TBR and see whats happening there. It happens everywhere. Even in FES we have the issue of locating parking at times. And we pay RM 300 for our parking lot. No big deal, its the same thing in whole Malaysia.

You like it or not, its the same thing happening around PJ. Parking lot is rare after 10 am. Areas like UTAR PJ, surrounded by factories and office only worsen the parking issue. Either you arrive there early to get a place, or park far away and walk your way towards the campus.

Does UTAR requires MUET in order to graduate?

well, MUET is compulsory for students applying using STPM. It is stated in their website in the application form.
Not so ,for students from other qualifications.

Well. Not Yet... I am a "foundation in science leading to mechanical engineering" student... But Mechanical engineering will be available at Kampar at year 2010.. This year and next year will still remain at Setapak.. They need time to move those engineering equipments..

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Added on April 5, 2008, 7:38 pmYo dude.... long complaints here huh...
ok first of all.. "SPM student will still going for ktar, bcoz 2year diploma, 2 year advance diploma"
Yo dude, you are now receiving a reply from a SPM student who is currently pursuing his foundation study in UTAR..

Secondly, rising fees?? hmm... i would say if you bro is studying in UTAR, he is receiving a quality education with a very very affordable price already...and please.. you can actually compare UTAR's foundation fees with other universities' foundation fees, and let me know what do you think about UTAR's foundation fees again

Nextly, olympic size swimming pool? what makes you think we are not going to have that? dude, Kampar campus is still undergoing developments and constructions!!! No sane person would put 1300 acres of land into a waste!! and oh ya... I am now a proud member of UTAR music club which have just organized "celebrity night" last week... hmm.. tell me more about "the cocuriculum activity can be considered 0"

Equpiment like classroom o mic o sound system broken... yes.. this i have to admit... however, i think this problem only occurs in PJ campus... However, one thing you can see from this "broken PA system" is that the lecturers still try very hard to teach us without the presence of PA system.. they shouted so loud until they had sorethroats the next day.. Now i guess this has shown the lecturer quality of UTAR ( oh ya, this PA broken thingy does not occur everyday, maybe you are that unfortune to so happen to see this at the day you come )

LOL? UTAR degree year 3 student teaching foundation student?? where did you hear this from?? as far as i know, all my lecturers now have at least a degree qualification.. and most of them have their masters already... one of them is even doing her PhD now... and i would say that they are very dedicated lecturers.. Most lecturers encourage us to seek consultation hours with them if we do not understand their lectures..

Er... about the forming collusion with construction company thingy... Why don't you see it in this way... UTAR is actually helping students to get their accomodations easily.. The whole row of houses are only for students.. I sense some great campus life here.. MY GOD! you said that the rentals are expensive?! Obviously, i think you didn't have any experience on renting house yet.. enough said...

That's all i have to say.. If you do not agree on what i've said... feel free to reply my post.. I love to reply to critics about UTAR... coz in this way, i can practise my english and writing skills and i can also defend my university which is a place that i strongly recommend others to come to get their tertiary education..

Cheers~~



This post has been edited by CaptWong: Apr 5 2008, 07:38 PM

inside PD block gt car park la...but it is reserved for lecturer ony...

d reason utar didnt open d parking to student is to prevent disagreement...u see,d parking space is limited,so ony
few very lucky/early application will get to book a parking slot in PD blok,wat happen to other who didnt get it...they
will blame utar saying that utar is unfair coz ony give certain student d privilege lo...so to prevent that,utar at PJ didnt offer any parking slot for d student...

yes, of course those from stpm dun need to take again since they took it during stpm
but those from other qualifications need to take it during their course of study

i'm not sure what band is needed to graduate, band 3 i guess

for applicants with STPM, you'll require MUET to enrol into UTAR. however, i'm not sure the minimum requirement for MUET. for SPM holder, mostly they will look at your GCE-O. besides, UTAR doesnt provide MUET for those who wish to take. therefore, you can register as private candidate to take the test outside. i'm planning to do so too.

Then isnt there a conflict? How come applying using STPM qualification need MUET(band 4-written in the list for some course) while the foundation students themselves need not sit for MUET in order to graduate? It's like...some shitty foundation students who cant speak proper english can get into degree while some better ones (band 3) cant enrol in it. No offence, correct me if i am wrong

IIANM, the foundation course does provide English subjects as well. Equivalent to MUET at least. And I have friend who failed their English and have to resit the paper. Hence, its never easy.

why care abt those who can't speak proper english? if u have taken both stpm and muet, u are having an edge over those students. juz like what my fren said, those who score and do well in degree programme mostly are stpm-grads

I thought that Lecturer shuld have at least a Master Degree in order to teach Degree Student...

Haha. Cant agree more. But I do see some brilliant SPM students who are beating STPM and A Levels students in degree level. So, in the end its all down to yourself. You work hard, you will do well.

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Added on April 6, 2008, 4:27 amA lecturer normally at least posses a Master Degree or higher. But depending on course, some course might opt for a degree holder with experience. In FES, all lecturers must have a Master Degree or higher. Degree holder would only qualify as Practical Assistant/ Lab Tutor and most of the time these PA are postgrad students.

This post has been edited by Akane: Apr 6 2008, 04:27 AM

just a question here. according to the counsellor, i need to do a foundation in arts in order to pursue a degree in information technology. i thought it should be a science foundation? hmm?

I'm not sure about information technology, but as i know, for actuarial science, you can take foundation arts or foundation science, it doesn't matter.

Bcoz for foundation science, u wil study such as,
Chemis 1, chemis 2
Physic 1, physic 2
math 1, math 2
webpage, programming
management, economic.

But foundation is juz to prepare you towards University life, the whole foundation is let you earn general knowledge more, bcoz when u pursuing your degree, you not studying other not related subject anymore.

As you can study foundation arts, i strongly recommend you go forward.

Reasons, ratio of girls in arts is around 1:1, the life happier there.

science, around 10:1, it would be a suffering. Studying wif girl made a better result. they appeared hardworking (not all la)

I'm a foundation student mah... not degree yet... those are foundation lecturers.. but most of them have masters already lah.

all my lecturers so far have at least a master degree
and couldn't agree with u more about the brilliant spm students part, there is one student in my course (from foundation) pwn me kau kau, could not match with her at all

Then that's weird. As far as i know, most universities requires MUET in order to graduate or to enrol in public U's (correct me if i am wrong) but UTAR is somehow ambiguous about this. My friend who managed to score only band 3 for his MUET was puzzled when he was told by UTAR that he needs band 4 to get into a management course. Or he will require to take an english subject from UTAR but my other friends who are from foundation need not take MUET and they are in degree now and their english can really kill your ears. MUET is supposed to be a standard examination for Malaysian's U's and how can UTAR gauge someone's english using their own system or examination? Just a question, dont flame me yea.. I just wanna clear my doubts

in short, lets just say u need MUET in order to graduate regardless of what qualification u hav to enrol at 1st

Herm. Good point you have there. But isnt it the same thing that is happening in universities that offer their own Foundation Program. Most of them require only SPM level English for entrance straight into Foundation. Then, they will do their English courses provided by the University during their foundation years, pass it and get into the degree level.

But MUET itself is not enough to judge a person efficiency in English. I have plenty of friends who obtained band 5 in MUET but cant even string a sentence properly. Is either the system used by MUET is weak or they must be blardy lucky to obtain band 5.

I am in my final year of UTAR.
And I can tell you, got money go other universities.

UTAR is not bad, but not good either.
They literary cram people in my FES campus.
Well they want to earn more money = accept more students = congested.

UTAR's library isn't that well equipped, but still ok.

Just remember, UTAR is just so-so only. Not bad, but not good either.

Plus if you are going to Setapak FES, the only sports activity they offer in the campus is table tennis.

There would be only 1 last intake in FES Setapak. After this, starting from Jan 2009, all FES student will be diverted to Kampar campus. I dont think you will face overcrowded issue in main campus considering the size of the campus itself.

Oh great, that means i'll be in the final batch then! Coming soon this May....

Bro, i love ur words. i support you, i think it should be the same thing happen in PJ. too crowded. 120 sttudent stuck inside a class where only can fit in 100 people. and it continues for a semester, complaint maded, but nothing changes.

By the way, I truely wish UTAR will be able to perform better in KAMPAR, at least there is a new campus.



I not coming out from form 6 either. But i truely believe that form 6 got alot good english speaker as well. But y some cannot fight with UTAR foundation?

Utar foundation students got alot of presentation every semester, they have more experience than mUET student. Not for all MUET la.

Fro example, my bro, 2nd semester, they have 3 presentation for public speaking and so on. i think around 5 presentation. This is wehreby differences from MUET student.

Tat y i saw when alot of MUET went into UNI degree first sem, they tend to worry for the presentation wherby foudation student already get used to it. It takes time for MUET to take experience

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Apr 7 2008, 11:53 AM

But still, you might get shifted away during 201x. Depend on what course you are doing. Once the labs are ready in Kampar, new students are required to go there. The labs there are more well equiped I would say, but definitely not everyone loves Kampar. Lol.

This post has been edited by Akane: Apr 7 2008, 12:05 PM

yeap, i'll be in Kampar for my final 2 years. I wished it could be earlier though. Would like to experience a more laid-back lifestyle rather than the hustle bustle likes of Setapak.

so you are in Setapak FES already?
Haha I will be there until this week, then exam then bye byeeeeee

nope! Finishing my foundation this week then exams. Then chau to FES in MAY

Haha. Might meet you for the Orientation then. There are a lot FES-er posting on the UTAR Thread in Kopitiam. Feel free to ask them anything if you have any problems.

hmmm...
obviously UTAR has places where they can improve but im sure thats what they are doing in UTAR Perak..
dont worry, overcrowding is a thing of yesterday in UTAR Perak..
u can have class anytime and replacement anytime because the classroom is plenty not like other campus..

so to all who is coming 2 UTAR Perak in the MAY 08 intake, i welcome u and enjoy the life here...
i will see u soon..or u see me soon..
ahakzz...

Well when I first entered Setapak UTAR also got plenty of space.
Then all gone. All the space gone.

But i heard the utar in perak is less of facilities .. even the lecturer from Utar in sungai loong don wan to go there = = all quit teaching utar when thier are force to go there lolzzz ..

how sure are you that the lecturers quit due to the lack of facilities? some of the staff i know plan to quit when UTAR fully shifts to Kampar. This will happen eventually, but this is because they prefer working in KL or they have family here.

the facilities are here..
jz dat some are still all over in kl bcos there r still student there..
rite?
hmm..
actually, some quit bcos they heard d word kampar..
well..
its a small town..dat i assure u...
i come frm seremban n study here is like frm a big town 2 a small town...
it sucks bt wen u noe d area dy its like..
ok lar..
nt bad..
friendly ppl..
how often u c a stranger talk2 a student for d fun of it jz 2 create converstation...its like ZERO in kl rite?
i jz experience dat 2day n i was like..
kampar is much better ten city life..
trust me..
if not..come 2 d open day in kampar dis weekend

I'm from UTAR PJ, doing foundation studies lah. From my point of view, only those who can't get into local U or didn't study well in form 6 will come for foundation studies. Well, they can do better because some subjects we studied in foundation has already been touched during form six, so I don't think form 6 people will have any problem with it.

What I am unhappy with UTAR is, when we apply for foundation, we need to list out what degree we wanted to pursue, and they say we can change our degree course at the end of the foundation course. What they didn't tell us in the very beginning is, we need to pay RM300 to change the name of degree course we wrote down on the form 1 year ago. I find this is totally absurd. Just because they want to make sure we have a 'space' booked for us for degree and it cost RM300. There you go.

And to those who don't like Maths, Please do not choose Stream C, because we have General Maths for 2 semester, many people 'died' on the spot. That's why my current course have 3 classrooms only.

And I am very concern about WHEN am I going to Kampar. Some degree will be held there. And some will stay here for 1 or 2 years then only go to Kampar. They should at least list down the degree courses which will be held in Kampar for us. Not keep us guessing.

And I just called Westlake just now, Yale is fully booked now and Manchester's room is running out soon. I think UTAR and the Danish house thing 'pakat'. Why don't they just build a bridge across the lake? Why must we go around the lake? I hate the fact that we need to cycle everyday. And the distance is not very short. Perhaps it's just me. And I think PD block is nicer than UTAr Kampar itself.

Oh yea, Westlake laundry service is 4 times a month. And I heard Danish's laundry service is 8 times a month. Why I have the feeling that UTAR and KTAR never come together? Why must it be separated? I think I am crapping. Sigh, stressed la. Whenever I think about Kampar, my mood all gone. Sigh.

You can always opt to rent houses out there. There are plenty of housing areas there and I am sure there a lot rooms for rent. Dont be too wory about getting to the uni. They are getting around 20 new buses, so there would be plenty of buses ferrying students into Uni starting from this May.

Maths in foundation is easy...

try degree maths 1 and 2 and die on the spot.

I was afraid of Foundation math back then. I score A in both but a B in my Bioscience Math during my degree. Lol

goshhh..
ur like so anti- UTAR bt still study at UTAR..i wonder y?
so contradicting lar u words..
lol...
the current houses are running out..bt they are rushing the new 1 already where d workers work nearly 24hours a day to complete it..
who says u nit 2 cycle..
u can jz bring ur motorbike IF u have 1..
u can bring ur car IF u have 1 also...
or y not jz pay the 70cents fare for the bus..
mayb if u cant, jz walk there..
the lake is meant2 b there...
v all have tot of the bridge thing..bt its useless..
jz let tings b n njoy kampar..
at1st u might tink it sucks, bt afta some time u will love it so how...

Should i go to UTAR when my course which is Mechanical Engineering is not even accredited b BEM/IEM/MQA? If its not accredited that means i cant even borrow ptptn for my course right? frus n tired of uni stuffs..

y local uni had to announce their freaking admission result so late......

Why not?

Even if its not accredited, job is readily available for you if you have the skills and competence. UTAR has a good rapport when it comes to its graduates. As said by my lecturers, the employee's perception of UTAR's graduate is fairly positive.

This post has been edited by db07mufan: Apr 10 2008, 08:32 PM

Bloody hell.... i don't know how many times must i repeat this...
MECHANICAL ENGINEERING IS NOT YET ACCREDITED BY BEM/IEM/MQA... They can only do it this year end, when the last batch of the mechanical engineering students graduate....

And now, with the new president which is also the vice president for IEM, you tell me, will Mechanical Engineering be accredited by BEM / IEM / MQA ?

ISH!

Not to be condescending, but i think he hasn't got any bloody clue on what's happening

PTPTN loan as far as i'm concern is viable for all UTAR courses. I've heard people said that even the approval chances of the loan is higher if you're studying in UTAR.

All course accredition are currently ongoing, mind you UTAR is only a few years old and accredition takes time.

As long as you dont FAIL your semester, and you have valid proof of your parents income, you can apply for PTPTN. I never applied thou, but I knew a lot about PTPTN because 90% of my friends got it.

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Added on April 10, 2008, 9:46 pmHeck, even my course Biochemistry, is not approved yet. Why ? Because next sem would be the first batch of students to enter their final semester. By then only the MQA officer will come, do their assestment, interview some of the lecturers and students and bla bla bla, before giving UTAR the accrediation for the course Biochemistry

This post has been edited by Akane: Apr 10 2008, 09:46 PM

Don't worry about PTPTN bcoz, all utar subject is applicable for PTPTN... and don't worry is it accredited o not, cause if u work in private company, they wont care so much, unless you going to apply government job.

but i'm curious, y all PJ campus student suffer while other campus is not bad, what an unfair. PJ is main campus? what a bad place.

Y must everyone say UTAR is good? did u think b4 some priviledges is belong to us, we should fight for it, and not juz only say yes to it. We have our own right to request for what we want.

1)
I admit that 190 rent (kampar) is cheap if compare to KL. but dun try do calculation wif me. I can briefly explain to you.
Comparing to KL, 190 is called very cheap. But 190 rent in Kampar is considered high, according to land revaluation and survey on Kampar that area, the rent for a single storey house which is 22*65 (3 room 1 bathroom) should be around 400 per month. If you compare the rent back to Kampar own area, the rent is considered high. some more Kampar which is considered as a rural area should not achieve that high rent. Mayb KL is expensive, but it is capital of our country.

2)
Utar admin is doing work by those moz easy way. first, they do as wat LAN say. LAN say what then they do wat.
Did you ever comparing those subject in a course between UTAR and others. You will know that UTAR is wasting first year for nothing for moz of subject.

3)
UTAR buses mayb increases. But why don't you juz build a bridge in KAMPAR. It is moz jimat than using buses in long term. Y use bus? UTAR
earn money.... Buses increases does not mean that u will get buses in every half hour.

UTAR student mostly will face tis problem. class at 12 am. But the last bus is at 9.30. so how? take 930 bus and waste time in school. Did it worth?
Then ppl will say buy motor buy car la. Then i wan ask, if they build bridge, walk also can reach la. If the housing area is not owned by that construction company, then did we nid to walk so far? Did UTAR really fight something better from us? or juz keep earning money?

4)
Did you heard before UTAR president son come here study? where he get his benz S class which is worth for 7 digit? is from our money

5)
UTAR PJ PD block currently financial situation :
Calculation of UTAR degree year 1 student : 1 group 20 student, average value for group is 44.
44 group X 20 student X 3800 fee per person for 1 sem (3 month) = 3344000.

Cost of UTAR operate :
Building rental : 100000 for 3 month
Electricity and water : 30000 for 3 month
Administritive expenses : 180000 for 3 month
Lecturer : 450000 for 3 month
Other expenses : 100000 for 3 month
Don't say about renovation, bcoz UTAR PD nvr renovate

Total revenue for every 3 month : 2484000
NOTE : THIS IS ONLY AMOUNT OF REVENUE FOR YEAR 1 DEGREE STUDENT for UTAR PD BLOCK ONLY.

If you add up 3 year studnet in PJ PD BLOCK, then add with PJ PA PB PC student. THEN add with SETAPAK and SG LONG. THEN YOU WILL Know how much they earn.

And such high revenue. yet still create a low standard environment, low standard of lecturer + teaching method. Where does our money go?
Their pocket. And now you still don't want fight for your right and get what you suppose to get?

If they unable to give a good quality. THEN UTAR shouldn't become a spoiler. UTAR gives us choice and hope. but they break your dream hope after you come in. IF THIS IS THE WAY, i rather suffer in PUBLIC UNIVERSITI.

mphpopular,
come to UTAR Perak Campus and i'm sure that you'll take back your words. anyway, i'm wondering how did you get the amount of the operating cost of UTAR.

i quite agree wit mphpopular mentions..
we did pay the fee's and we do have our own right to request for what we want.
So far what i have seen..Kampar's lecturer was so so onli..their english ain't so gud..so when the lecturers teach during lessons cause the student don't quite understand what they teaching

ya. i agree with you in this case. i'm facing this problem too.

i think tis is the main problem with utar lecturer.. They are master degree holder, sometimes i still wondering why their english is so bad, no offense, but yea.. its too bad until the student, sometimes cannot get what the lecturer is trying to tell.. Some are improving year by year.. but some i can see.. all the same.. .. i'm in PA tho..

I can get a house with 1 HUGE master room attached with bathroom, 1 medium room, 2 single room all attached with bathroom and 1 HUGE living room and a BIG kitchen for RM400 through an agent.

Then my friend found the exact same type of house for RM250 only. Just that without ceiling fans. Haiya. But my mum insisted that I should stay in Westlake. Westlake is such a rip off! Expensive and We can only wash our clothes once per week? Absurd!

And not to forget about the parking space in UTAR Kampar! I heard that we have to pay RM300 per year and Rm200 Per year in Westlake. Though I don't have a car, just find it ridiculous!

The distance to school, the westlake homes, the far away from town issue, the management and the stupid guards which wouldn't let us in even we have our student id. They say there will be more bus but I doubt. Even in PJ area, we don't have much bus anyway. I doubt there will be 20 buses as people claims as it should be.

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Added on April 11, 2008, 10:46 pmSo sad lah, at the same time unhappy with UTAR, but no other choices. I know many people will say, you don't like UTAR then go to LKW, INTI, Taylors, Sunway etc. etc. lah!

If i got the money I will be there lah. KDU foundation course is Rm14,000 overall. But UTAR is RM7000. BUT! UTAR increase from RM4000 to RM7000. You Judge.

I even have a lecturer who claims that UTAR foundation course is there for a 'good will'. She say she don't earn much and UTAR don't earn much from Foundation studies. But they still have this course because they want to 'help' students out.

By looking at the calculation above, I see they do earn very very much. From PA, PB, PC, PD and added a new PE. Actually we have 2 PE, but now they rent a new one beside PD block.

Where all the money comes from lah?

Yes, I do admit I dislike Kampar because it's a kampung place. You can say I am selfish and I wanna play around in city places instead of really studying in Kampar.

Hello, don't gimme such bullsh-t ok? Study for degree doesn't mean have to turn yourself into jailbird and pay unnecessary price for such outcome.

I am just unhappy, that's all.


This post has been edited by sevenheaven: Apr 11 2008, 10:46 PM

Ya, i agree. but i wish at least u all kampar will be better in PJ. cause PJ expenses all high. but still environment like shit. only thing is, ONE U, IKEA, IKANO, MIDVALLEY and so on only.

You still ok like tis. cause you know my brother foundation studies even worst, teached by degree year 3 studnet. is it UTAR SO Lack of lectuerer???

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Added on April 12, 2008, 12:21 amIf you are studying costing , then you will be able to calculate all. This is what my job does. I hope i can accept UTAR wif full of my heart.

PJ PD block, dean, the head of PD block.
He always said : I am master from America, i talking america language america slank.
But his english is even worst than those in secondary school. worst than even a small little boy. Cant even pronouns speak nor use correct word.

He most clever thing is, Plz do not make noise. If not i will deduct your mark from your CGPA (ugutan)

Lecturer also cant speak well, what we still can hope. I admit kampar good. i already go inside and c before. But did you think of how many money he cheat u every month. (we calculate one aspect : living)

Why i nvr criticise on other college or UNI like ktar? bcoz they charge a reasonable price for their own facilities and locations. ktar half prices of UTAR, and he providing This level of services, which is reasonable. The profit margin for UTAR is already too high, they already bcome earning company. not a charity uni. tis uni is corrupted alrady


This post has been edited by mphpopular: Apr 12 2008, 12:21 AM

There are blardy hell alot of houses out there. No one force you to stay in Westlake areas. You can opt to stay outside if you want. Its the same thing.

Wasting the students First Year ? LMAO ! I starting to believe whether you have experience in higher education or not. Relearning some subjects from STPM/A Levels is a waste of time? Mind you University level is totally different. You might relearn some similar subjects, but in more details. Try to ask STPM students who are doing their degree in UTAR and you will know whether they are relearning the subjects or enhancing their understanding towards the subject. And do some research before you post. Most University including the prestigous one are repeating their year one with subjects similar to ALevels/STPM. And if you seriously think that its tat easy, then try to get into the President List first.

Seriously you have good experience in building dont you ? Mind you, according to a friend of mine, building a bridge across the lake is not something cheap. He speculate that a construction like that will cost around 4-5 million. You wanna spend that money on a brigde whilst you already have a proper road that brings you straight into the campus. And yet you are saying UTAR is wasting the peoples' money. How absurb.

With the increase in buses, you think u need to wait for blardy 2 hours for a bus ? Come mon. Have you ever studied in KTAR ? How many buses KTAR had ? And how long you gotta wait for the bus ? With an increase of 20 buses is more than enough. Mind you that not everyone will take the bus route, some might walk to school and I believe majority will drive. Even in FES, with barely 3 bus, it only takes 1 hour the max for a bus to arrive. And no one ask you to be so damn retard to wait for the bus for that duration. You can always reach the bus stop 10 minutes before departure.

A Private University is not a Non Profit Organization. Of course they will make profit. But how much they exactly made, no one knows. Unless you are responsible for their financial, I doubt the figures are real. And a huge sum of money is used to finance the university research projects. A scientific research aint cheap.

I might agree with you on the part they are using some lousy lecturers, but its the same thing everywhere. You wan good lecturer, opt for Monash, Nottingham. I have a brother doing his degree in Monash and I know how good is their lecturer and their syllabus. But the cost ?. Think about it. We have our right to demand a better environment for our studies since we pay them, but not in this way. Like in FES, we demand them to change the canteen operator thru our Students Rep. Not by defaming UTAR in a public forum like this. It will never improve the situation.

And yeah, you wan me to intro you to some of my friends who jump boat from Public Uni to UTAR ? Lol. Bet you dont.



Parking fee is the same thing in FES. We are unhappy about it too, but due to demand > supply we have no choice. In fact, everyone is willing to pay for the parking after some safety issue in Setapak area. The bus will be there. Its just a matter of time. They are running a University with approximately 20k students. If they dont provide the transportation, how students are going to get to the campus for class.

Try to adapt to the kampung lifestyle then. Its nice. I am longing to go and finish my final year in Kampar but I dont have the chance. And yet you have it, then take it as an experience. Afterall there are students out there who are studying in some more Jungle places.



This post has been edited by Akane: Apr 12 2008, 02:09 AM

Kinda contradicting that he can calculate all the lecturers' salary but failed to calculate how expensive a bridge can be. :/

First year time wasting ? This show that you never manage your time well. I had one hell of a fun during first year. I join 2 clubs and participated in a public speaking competitions, so it's ain't time wasting for me. I am from form 6 so I am fully aware that first year I will have some subjects repeat from form 6, so ? Form 6 is PRE-UNI programmes, and the first year are recap so we can at least remember and go further details in the next few semesters.

Like it or not Lecturers are like that. They want attention. Infact this is one of the life skill you and me will have to learn when we come out and work, as we will meet various kind of people. And oh before you try to say how suck the lecturers' english is, check yours first, you ain't different than their speaking. So what I turn on my english nazi mode when someone like you criticise others' english when your post is full of it ?

"Ya, i agree. but i wish at least u all kampar will be better in PJ. cause PJ expenses all high. but still environment like shit. only thing is, ONE U, IKEA, IKANO, MIDVALLEY and so on only."

Is it just me or his england is damn powderful ? I don't get, first he said PJ campus sucks, and now wants the Kampar students to come and stay here, clarify for me please.

"Hello, don't gimme such bullsh-t ok? Study for degree doesn't mean have to turn yourself into jailbird and pay unnecessary price for such outcome."

Hello, don't give me bullshit, ok ? It's matter of time and budget managing.

This post has been edited by Fatimus: Apr 12 2008, 02:07 AM

parking inside UTAR has always been rm 300
in westlake we must buy d sticker onli which is ONLY RM4..
so get ur facts rite?
if u feel UTAR aint providing u ppl well, jz make a complaint..
they r doing their best 2 provide whats best..
UTAR Kampar has jz completed phase 1 of building..
phase 2 is on the way n there will b phase 3 and 4..

come and c for urself...
if they build a bridge frm westlake 2 UTAR, will u stay there forever?some dy stated dat d rent is expensive..so y cont renting there n ask 2 build a bridge there?
use ur brain b4 u talk lar...

just my 2cents lar..

Whats the feedback for mechanical eng in UTAR? My friend is interested to go ther... just an inquiry for my friend who's not a LYN member...
So i hope you can help me out.
My friend completed a diploma in telecommunications eng in MMU and is working...so he missed the intakes.

But he would like to start coll around may coz he's just finished bonding with his company

Couldn't agree more with both of them.. Especially about the english thingy... lol!

Hmm.. about the lecturer's english standard, i do admit that a minority of lecturers in UTAR cannot speak good english.. but that is not an obstacle for them to present their knowledges to their students.. i did come across this kind of lecturer, but i do not have a problem of understanding what they are trying to say.. To me, it's not a matter of their english standard, it's a matter of are they able to present their knowledge to their students.. and so far, after competing my first sememster, i do not have problem absorbing new knowledges from them.. and i am happy with that.

Lecturer quality? It's the same in every university lah dude.. My friend from Monash complained about his physics lecturer to me =)

You can search through this forum for some previous threads of mine... In the beginning, i was very reluctant to enter UTAR, coz of some stupid rumors about UTAR.. At first, i entered UTAR feeling disappointed, but now, after one sememster, i have no regrets at all.. I am satisfied with the lecturers of UTAR, the education i am receiving, and even the lab officers in UTAR! Even they are very willing to share their knowledge with us.. All my lecturers mingle very well with students, and because of that, i enjoyed my every single lectures..

UTAR is still constantly improving.. The former president of UTAR has opened the path for the future of UTAR, and now with the presence of the new president, i am sure that UTAR will be even better in the future..

If you or your brother or whatever don't like UTAR, as you said, u rather SUFFER IN PUBLIC UNI.. who is stopping you from doing that?

Haha. Do you realise that building a bridge is go thru government sector, since when you heard that the highway ,the penang bridge is build by private?

You could propose and do the full proposal for the government to get approval. When you have go thru more life real situation, then you will understand what is the utar is going on.

Too sad so many people still defending UTAR, goodluck guys.

I have written all i know about UTAR. so, which to choose, is on your hand.

LOL... you are so funny dude.. What's wrong with "so many ppl defending UTAR"??
We are just telling the truth.. correcting what's wrong.. and not accusing this accusing that without prior research..

Did any university pay you to defame UTAR? lol.. never seen someone like you which is so "anti-UTAR"

This post has been edited by CaptWong: Apr 12 2008, 10:07 PM

Oh. That easy ? Then why dont you propose to them. Dont talk only, show us some action. More real life situation? I guess you are the one who is less experience here. Ask a civil engineer and a qualified construction manager whats the procedure of the process and how they pay for a bridge built like that.

Perhaps you might want to take note of something. Most people who are "defending" UTAR are UTAR students themselves, people who have actually been through and experience first handedly what it is like studying in UTAR. However, for sure there are some students who are not satisfied with the university. But then, there is not one university where all the students are satisfied,isnt that right? Although i do admit that there are some things which are lacking, i also believe that a young university needs time in order to gain experience and improve. I am happy with what i am experiencing now.

You cannot compare building the Penang bridge with a bridge that connects an housing estate to a university. I havent been to Kampar personally, but i believe the government wont just simply approve a bridge which benefits only students, and perhaps some lecturers of a certain university. Even if they do plan to build a bridge, the bridge will not simply materialise overnight. It does take time to build a bridge you know?

Is that all you know about UTAR? If thats all,i do hope you will come and interact with more UTAR students to get a better look on our lives rather than "defaming" UTAR based on the few people you know. most UTAR students are quite friendly.