For a stpm student, if you household not generating a high monthly income, and your result not as well as you expect, and public Uni do not give wat you want.

At laz, what choice do you have except UTAR.

Why UTAR?
- fees cheap
- 3 years for degree
- choice less
- the one and only sound nice bcoz named University

Ppl often ask me, why dun KTAR?
- SPM student will still going for ktar, bcoz 2year diploma, 2 year advance diploma
- but STPM student hav no choice, imposible you wan them after spending 2 years for form 6, now spending 4 more years for advanced diploma?
- lastly, STPM willl go for UTAR

Am i a supporter of UTAR? no no no
I juz wan to let u know, UTAR is not as good as you think also.

You know what happened to foundation new intake student? last year is rm 4000 ++ for foudation studies, this year bcome rm 7000++, our inflation rates also did not exceed 100%, but UTAR inflation already gone until 90%, scary.

Don't expect UTAR having a olympic size swimming pool like KTAR or other colleges, the cocuriculum activity can be considered 0, what you willl saw is those, maths society, english society etc.

The worse thing, Utar degree year 3 student (havent graduate) but teaching utar foundation students?

Equipment like classroom o mic o sound system, broken.

Juz to let you know all this, but you still can choose for it, cause i heard they are building a new campus in KAMPAR.
But heard ppl said they pakat wif the construction company, cause all the house beside the UTAR kampar is belong to the construction company, and there only for rent, and expensive.

Anyone ex student UTAR can come and giv more better opinion, maybe i only saw the negative sides of UTAR....

Ya, i think you're lucky in Kampar, btwn, if u come and c my little bro in PJ . wao, tat is really a place i cant imagine, i advice my brother go there, and utar telling my bro, u nid to delay for 1 year. omg...

That day i went into my bro lecturer hall. tat is really unimagineable, broken mic, no sound PA system, all trash on floor, echo too heavy. You should try your life in PJ. Kampar as i know, out side was pretty, but inside i dunno.

Enginering i am not sure about it

But i know that 2009 January there will be first batch of Acturial student there..

U can call or email utar if u got enquiry, they often reply faz thru email

U studying in PJ? which block? my brother in PD... He alway say, if class at around noon 10-12, better u direct park bak ur car in your house and walk go..... bcoz like tat u nonid pay for tat saman. he say, Utar alway ask people to car pool, while lecturer all drive one car by themselve even living in same area, action konon..... student all car pool, but car park stil dun hav... Why don't utar lecturer park outsdie and let student park inside?? is it applicable...

I'm not sure about information technology, but as i know, for actuarial science, you can take foundation arts or foundation science, it doesn't matter.

Bcoz for foundation science, u wil study such as,
Chemis 1, chemis 2
Physic 1, physic 2
math 1, math 2
webpage, programming
management, economic.

But foundation is juz to prepare you towards University life, the whole foundation is let you earn general knowledge more, bcoz when u pursuing your degree, you not studying other not related subject anymore.

As you can study foundation arts, i strongly recommend you go forward.

Reasons, ratio of girls in arts is around 1:1, the life happier there.

science, around 10:1, it would be a suffering. Studying wif girl made a better result. they appeared hardworking (not all la)

Bro, i love ur words. i support you, i think it should be the same thing happen in PJ. too crowded. 120 sttudent stuck inside a class where only can fit in 100 people. and it continues for a semester, complaint maded, but nothing changes.

By the way, I truely wish UTAR will be able to perform better in KAMPAR, at least there is a new campus.



I not coming out from form 6 either. But i truely believe that form 6 got alot good english speaker as well. But y some cannot fight with UTAR foundation?

Utar foundation students got alot of presentation every semester, they have more experience than mUET student. Not for all MUET la.

Fro example, my bro, 2nd semester, they have 3 presentation for public speaking and so on. i think around 5 presentation. This is wehreby differences from MUET student.

Tat y i saw when alot of MUET went into UNI degree first sem, they tend to worry for the presentation wherby foudation student already get used to it. It takes time for MUET to take experience

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Apr 7 2008, 11:53 AM

Don't worry about PTPTN bcoz, all utar subject is applicable for PTPTN... and don't worry is it accredited o not, cause if u work in private company, they wont care so much, unless you going to apply government job.

but i'm curious, y all PJ campus student suffer while other campus is not bad, what an unfair. PJ is main campus? what a bad place.

Y must everyone say UTAR is good? did u think b4 some priviledges is belong to us, we should fight for it, and not juz only say yes to it. We have our own right to request for what we want.

1)
I admit that 190 rent (kampar) is cheap if compare to KL. but dun try do calculation wif me. I can briefly explain to you.
Comparing to KL, 190 is called very cheap. But 190 rent in Kampar is considered high, according to land revaluation and survey on Kampar that area, the rent for a single storey house which is 22*65 (3 room 1 bathroom) should be around 400 per month. If you compare the rent back to Kampar own area, the rent is considered high. some more Kampar which is considered as a rural area should not achieve that high rent. Mayb KL is expensive, but it is capital of our country.

2)
Utar admin is doing work by those moz easy way. first, they do as wat LAN say. LAN say what then they do wat.
Did you ever comparing those subject in a course between UTAR and others. You will know that UTAR is wasting first year for nothing for moz of subject.

3)
UTAR buses mayb increases. But why don't you juz build a bridge in KAMPAR. It is moz jimat than using buses in long term. Y use bus? UTAR
earn money.... Buses increases does not mean that u will get buses in every half hour.

UTAR student mostly will face tis problem. class at 12 am. But the last bus is at 9.30. so how? take 930 bus and waste time in school. Did it worth?
Then ppl will say buy motor buy car la. Then i wan ask, if they build bridge, walk also can reach la. If the housing area is not owned by that construction company, then did we nid to walk so far? Did UTAR really fight something better from us? or juz keep earning money?

4)
Did you heard before UTAR president son come here study? where he get his benz S class which is worth for 7 digit? is from our money

5)
UTAR PJ PD block currently financial situation :
Calculation of UTAR degree year 1 student : 1 group 20 student, average value for group is 44.
44 group X 20 student X 3800 fee per person for 1 sem (3 month) = 3344000.

Cost of UTAR operate :
Building rental : 100000 for 3 month
Electricity and water : 30000 for 3 month
Administritive expenses : 180000 for 3 month
Lecturer : 450000 for 3 month
Other expenses : 100000 for 3 month
Don't say about renovation, bcoz UTAR PD nvr renovate

Total revenue for every 3 month : 2484000
NOTE : THIS IS ONLY AMOUNT OF REVENUE FOR YEAR 1 DEGREE STUDENT for UTAR PD BLOCK ONLY.

If you add up 3 year studnet in PJ PD BLOCK, then add with PJ PA PB PC student. THEN add with SETAPAK and SG LONG. THEN YOU WILL Know how much they earn.

And such high revenue. yet still create a low standard environment, low standard of lecturer + teaching method. Where does our money go?
Their pocket. And now you still don't want fight for your right and get what you suppose to get?

If they unable to give a good quality. THEN UTAR shouldn't become a spoiler. UTAR gives us choice and hope. but they break your dream hope after you come in. IF THIS IS THE WAY, i rather suffer in PUBLIC UNIVERSITI.

Ya, i agree. but i wish at least u all kampar will be better in PJ. cause PJ expenses all high. but still environment like shit. only thing is, ONE U, IKEA, IKANO, MIDVALLEY and so on only.

You still ok like tis. cause you know my brother foundation studies even worst, teached by degree year 3 studnet. is it UTAR SO Lack of lectuerer???

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Added on April 12, 2008, 12:21 amIf you are studying costing , then you will be able to calculate all. This is what my job does. I hope i can accept UTAR wif full of my heart.

PJ PD block, dean, the head of PD block.
He always said : I am master from America, i talking america language america slank.
But his english is even worst than those in secondary school. worst than even a small little boy. Cant even pronouns speak nor use correct word.

He most clever thing is, Plz do not make noise. If not i will deduct your mark from your CGPA (ugutan)

Lecturer also cant speak well, what we still can hope. I admit kampar good. i already go inside and c before. But did you think of how many money he cheat u every month. (we calculate one aspect : living)

Why i nvr criticise on other college or UNI like ktar? bcoz they charge a reasonable price for their own facilities and locations. ktar half prices of UTAR, and he providing This level of services, which is reasonable. The profit margin for UTAR is already too high, they already bcome earning company. not a charity uni. tis uni is corrupted alrady


This post has been edited by mphpopular: Apr 12 2008, 12:21 AM

Haha. Do you realise that building a bridge is go thru government sector, since when you heard that the highway ,the penang bridge is build by private?

You could propose and do the full proposal for the government to get approval. When you have go thru more life real situation, then you will understand what is the utar is going on.

Too sad so many people still defending UTAR, goodluck guys.

I have written all i know about UTAR. so, which to choose, is on your hand.

Erm, as they said, i anti UTAR. so i juz like to comment on some la.

Equipment UTAR setapak sure is enough for all. But if i say the news le. people will say again, i anti utar la, say this all happen everywhere la.

So, i say it in middle view, my fren now in degree year 1 sem 2, they're facing a problem whereby as following :

Some machinery is cost more than 10k, when doing the practical, practical lecturer demand the student to buy a lab manual for themselve, and told them, refer to lab manual. ( this is very common )

But half of the semester have pass thru, and the practical lecturer havent teach anything yet. One student pass the lab manual to lecturer ( cause lecturer don't have lab manual ) and ask him to explain for them.
Studnet : Sir, i know you don't have lab manual, you also nonid to do the practical, we only nid you to explain how to do.
Sir : Erm, ( reading and reading ) this practical thing, u refer to lab manual la. all is inside.

Studnet all conclusion : the lecturer is scare the machine will break down and nid to pay for it? or the lecturer duno do it at all?

This is one of the incident, so i hope this is not the whole of UTAR.

By the way, find more mechanical enginering studnet in UTAR to ask, it would be the best.
But if you want me to introduce some, better don't, cause all my fren in UTAR is "anti utar" juz like me.

One thing i can sure about UTAR is. they did not really care about qualification. janji u pass all the minimum. then they let you in and let you die away.

My bro hav ask the head of PD block in PJ campus. He told my bro, i expected your tis batch student will only have 30% pass.

But when the guy persuade my brother go study. He juz say. this sschool good. this course good. apa also goood.

After go in, another pattern.

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Added on April 26, 2008, 11:38 amSuper good advice. TQ. It is very valuable from you.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Apr 26 2008, 11:38 AM

Mayb different people got different experience gua. So sad to heard the head say such thing to my brother.

But i very look toward like relationshiop between classmate in UTAR. bcoz my formal uni, relationshiop classmate tak ada.

Kampar have hostel by UTAR one.. but currently full already. they now are locating new student to kTar hostel. whereby they say got buses wor.... U believe it o not lor

But nearby got housing area also.... Quite cheap ..but only nid to wory for your trasporting problem

Long time nvr show up here. Juz to increase some info.
You cant direct compare the cost living in Kampar direct to KL area, it is not proportional. A living cost for Kampar shouldn't go so far, only mean the hostel.
I saw every year, student paying extra charges for the following :
Activity and Recreation rm100
Resource Centre RM200
Development RM300
Insurance RM9

Insurance, i agree wif it since nowadays utar don't have time to take care the safety of student around PJ or Setapak, so buy you an insurance, anything happen, still got money for your parents. (Still, Utar think for the student benefit, good thing)

I have asked the office for the reason of others fee. By their explanation is like below:
Activity and Recreation : the 2 ping pong table in PD block, sharing swimming pool facilities wif KTAR, PC block sports area and some others activity held by UTAR around campus area (Does utar held any activity?)

Resource centre : You are using the computer lab and library from our school. wble also need money to operate it as well.

Development : Painting over UTAR, renovation on utar. Lift maintainance, toilet repair, air-cond service. computer lab.

So, Juz my 2cent. are you going to pay rm600 for those unreliable computers in lab? Does UTAR really make any renovation in PJ area?

After that, office direct me to phone over finance department as they can provide better explanation. We cant argue on this fees, since many people and UTAR will be telling you, if you don't want pay, then don't study here lar. So, my aim only explaining some of the weird cases in utar. Not to boycott.

One of utar lecturer (myfren), telling me that, he/she(private confidential) not really know about the resouce and activity fees. but the development fee is a donation for Kampar campus.

A organisation have thousand and millions of excuses to gaining more money. Ya, you does nid to pay for your study. But is it equivalent to what you get?

Don't aim your cannon on me, all utar defenders. I juz want to add some info. It's kinda heart pain to see all people shooting TS in TS's own forum...Haha.

For AS student, juz my 2cent again, there is two round of student kicking in around Y1S2 and Y2S2. If you check back the student record, many student accepted into actuarial science (AS) this course without really taking into consideration about the ability of the student. UTar does a good job by providing everyone to study AS since UKM and UM setting a 4.0CGPA for STPM student to join( with limited seats around 40 in UKM,UM juz open AS course last year, so i'm not sure).
What i want to mention is, in Y1S2 and Y2S2, there is alot of student around 30% change course since they unable to continue AS study (you can check the record or ask AS student to tell you truth). Why doesn't UTAR set a tighter rule to let studnet join AS, but they only accept all student although the student don;t have the qualification for AS? Reason: You will be ending change course in utar and paying more to utar. Especialy foundation student, bcoz foundation cert not really gets recognition from other UNI. Imposible for you to change to other UNI and start wif foundation again. You will mostly stay in UTAR in other subject.
Note: The case i just mention only apply to AS. Other courses don't have such a high rate in changing course.

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Added on May 29, 2008, 8:13 am@reyzai
Haha. Ya, you get it right. i'm enjoy dota as well. Sad case is Milinium Court now have bcome Mahsa College (MC change to MC) and does not accept any utar student anymore.
Not only PC many pretty. I think your utar FAM faculty also have 65% of girls population.
Next, I been working already, so i open up this thread juz to wish can telling utarian some truth that nvr shown up.

UTAR still will be choice(only one) for many people, the fees low compare others. Juz the "low" is not suppose the "low" we should get. Haha, i get confused by my "low" as well.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: May 29 2008, 08:21 AM

No matter you choose to pay or not, You only have the choice to pay it. UTAR finance department will have one conclusion for you, If you don't want to pay, Juz don't become UTARIAN. That is such simple for them. Hehe. Work harder for your future to all of people here. Good lucks.

Appeal sure can. Wrote a letter for DEAN. TEll him/her that u will hardworking and blar blar blar. Sure can. Ask student affair department, they should be able to help u out

Hi,
It's been a time for not be around here. I come up with a new subject, and might need your judgement for this. There is no correct or wrong in this subject since there is two point of view, based on outsiders, or based on STPM graduate students.

UTAR is still accepting new student for their courses. You only have to go office by yourself. And take the form and fill in there, and make sure you pay before you take the first step into UTAR. They are still accepting new students from STPM. You would be asking, why not accept new students?

Firstly, UTAR May intake had started for 5 weeks. PLZ NOTE: IT IS 5 WEEKS. I believe any one that have studied in UTAR have clearly understand that 5 weeks is not a short period.

Utar one semester only 14 weeks. 5 weeks which is 1/3 of it. Fees paid still is in full amount (This is quite Ok for me, bcoz there is no point for UTAR to discount you). But as an utarian, you should understand that many exams will be started at week 5 and 6. First assignment due date will be around this period as well. How a new student able to study all stuff for the previous 4 weeks in 1 weeks and face exam. How are they going to pass up their assignment after 1 weeks of study? Plz be reminded that they are still new in that environment.

As what i mentioned earlier, there is no correct or wrong. It is StPM students choice to join in although late for 4 weeks. I believe it is good for StPM students, bcoz they nonid to wait for 6 month for the next intake.

But, is it UTAR have considered the situation of those STPM students after they join in the UTar? Might be UTAR will held extras classes for them (only might be, we dunno at all), but how are the students going to face exam for the week 5 and assignemtn?

Again UTAR gains again when the students going to repeat, resit their paper. First semester result might greatly impact the STPM studnet CGPA in coming 3 years time.

Juz judge it yourself.

Regards,
mphpopular

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Added on June 29, 2008, 5:58 pmActivity and Recreation 100
Resource centre 200

I did mentioned this in this thread earlier. I did not really follow this thread. So i did not know what are the guys are comments about it.

YOu might get some clue about how this 300 is used in our UTAR in my previous post in this thread.

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Added on June 29, 2008, 6:21 pmDont worry. I can confirm that your statement is false.
UTAR officially stated in their rules, student who continually fail CGPA for 2 sems will be terminated with no excuses.

I'm not sure about 6 weeks.
But I'm sure that Dean is allowing students to fail for continuously 4 semester. What you need to is only go to office. Wrote a letter to Dean, then request approve. Done. The only thing they worry is, are you able to pay without your PTPTn loans.

The valid point UTAR will terminate a student is :

1) Student join in politic activities.
2) Student get arrested for dealing with crimes. (They sure terminate you, cause if people telling this students is from UTAR, then where should UTAR put their face)
3) Student who unable to pay the fees. (I think this is the most frequent case. Many student get stopped out when PTPTN loan cancelled, then try to use parent's EPF money also fail, then juz simple, you get out of my school immediately.)

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Jun 29 2008, 06:21 PM

Your money will go under Kampar development. And under the Benz that used by our president. Juz tat simple.

Simple is a way to generate a cash flow for their usage.

I know, people are telling me, inflation is going up. So, fees muz go up.

I wish to know, did utar incurred such a high fees? Where is our Uncle LIm money goes? Haha. I made my point of view.

But i'm sure alot will defend for UTAR as well. Wish UTAR doing better. Even a governemtn can go under corruption, then how will a UNI not going under corruption. UTAR = non-profit organisation? Yeah, it might happens when they sell of their benz and drive proton saga.

Again+ always, get attacked again. Haha...

You can get the prove of new student going into UTAR KAMPAR, jzu go to UTAR kampar by coming monday.

I meant STPM students. IF they come in and juz for fail, why utar allow them? Did i say anything that i don't agree wif resit paper fees? I only worry for our STPM students.

I think you might be a good students as well. You will nvr understand the feeling of students who failed in their paper. Did you saw before those students who make 10 times harder than you and still getting fail?

As i mentioned, the last post, there is both good and bad. I juz bring it up for u all as a reference. I have no intention to shoot utar. But i get shoot again. Try to analyse from 9 different viewing angle. Not juz from one. This might broaden your knowledge.

Did i need to tells that where i graduate from and what is my qualification now? Haha.

No offence bro. Juz to share out here.

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Added on June 29, 2008, 6:51 pmAiya, still get attacked.

I actually is under the group who are greatly oppose that CEO should have a greater benefit.
I personally agree that CEO should be the laz who takes benefits while the workers in the moz bottom line of company should get greater benefit.
This is under imbalance system in our country.

You is agree with those system that set-ed in our world.
But i'm the one who disagree with those unbalanced or unequal system.

Hehe. Seems like our profile crash.
Juz continue wif your point, it is valid as well. I always agree with all of the points given.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Jun 29 2008, 06:53 PM

I have no choice if you all don't believe me. Hehe.

And i did not underestimete our StPM student. I am worrying for them. As you know, late for school for 4 -5 weeks might effect greatly on their result. You see ah, how can i comment? If i said StpM is better than foundation student, then people said, you now underestimate foundation?

If i said Foundation better, now i underestimate stpM?
As i mentioned earlier, I believe those Stpm student that decided to go in now sure have their confident and so on.

I bring up this issue is not saying Stpm student ability. But is to comment on why Utar still accepting new student.

Juz go over Kampar, you will saw many new students on today.

You didn't see and nvr heard it, it doesn't mean it does not happen.