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kajikin
post Apr 29 2008, 10:38 PM

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my juniors are all from UEC .. standard of utar getting lower since 18 years old can enter university... old batch students are more likely to be stpm or diploma students
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post Apr 30 2008, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(SuN_RaE198 @ Apr 29 2008, 11:10 PM)
Why do you think the standard is getting lower because they accept 18-year olds?
btw, I entered UTAR a few months after i turned 18, with STPM.
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if u finished stpm ,you should be around 19++ and by the time your result out you should be 20++
u finished your stpm at the age 17++ wow i though that was spm. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(devilousangel85 @ Apr 30 2008, 02:27 AM)
lolz...people just never get their facts right.
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u think uec standard can compare to stpm ? i think you should get the fact instead

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post Apr 30 2008, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Akane @ Apr 30 2008, 07:49 PM)
Then you must be very wrong. I personally had seen very good UEC student. Dont talk about exam standard, its down right to the student itself. You can get 4.0 in STPM, but if you end up lazy in Uni, I dont think you will do well too.

And, plz. Forget Malaysian mentality. 20+ doesnt mean that they will do better in university. In countries lik UK, Aus, as long as you are good enuff, they will accept you even you are 16. STPM is hard, and indeed its a good exam. But you can never compared two different exam system. STPM focus on a lot "not so useful" syllabus, while A Levels and UEC focus on things that are more related to university level.
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comparing malaysia with other country , we are not up to that standard yet, stpm syllabus are not related to university syllabus ? isnt it Alevel and UEC taking physics , chemistry and maths also ... just that in stpm you learn more, which the maths and some basic physics/ chemistry will helps your understanding in your future subjects.

the dilemma in class now is the age different and educational background, the diploma students have a better understanding in the course/subject and stpm and a-level are still newbie, some UEC is doing well but not all cause the requirement to enter UTAR engineering is just u pass all the subject


Added on April 30, 2008, 8:22 pm
QUOTE(cken88 @ Apr 30 2008, 08:00 PM)
can any1 tell me does utar kampar hav hostel??...coz i entering utar kampar in middle of may..if rent a hse at nearest housing area,it's take a long distance to go utar
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yes there is, i saw it on the notice board, the hostel is like house type double storey and there is bus service provided

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kajikin
post May 1 2008, 01:09 AM

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either is UEC , stpm or A level are taking the same subject just that stpm subject is very wide and the possibility for all the context in book to come out in the exam is super low. diploma students does have the advantage, for my engineering course, they have learn some of the year 2 subjects, and some basic year 3 subjects, i think there is only one 4.00 cpga diploma student till now in my course, i do agree stpm/alevel/ foundation doesnt mean u can do well in university, i had a fren who who score 2.0 in stpm, ends up dean list every semester, cause he is very hardworking
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post May 1 2008, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Akane @ Apr 30 2008, 10:32 PM)
Why we are not up to that standard ? Because of mind like yours, we are lagging behind. To catch up, you must be on par with others. Not to say " oh, well we are not up to that standard yet". I do believe in Malaysia there lots of genius. Sun_Rae is one good example. She finish her STPM at the age of 18. Its Malaysia education system that are slowing down the student progress, you dont see student entering University at the age of 2x+ in most developed countries. And mind you, the goverment itself had recognized this problem and they are looking into ways in cutting down the years of primary and secondary education. So that means, entering university early does have its benefit to the country and society.

I did not mention STPM syllabus is not related to university syllabus. Its just that STPM syallabus is too wide. Anyone who studied STPM before knew this. Thats why I put there "not so useful" stuff. Yes, you do learn more. But learning more and applying it is two different things. Learning more doesnt mean that you will be applying it. But, still it will benefit STPM students because generally they will have an easier time during their year one.

As I mention before, age is not a problem. In my course, the top scorer is not STPM student, but some younger students from A-Levels and Foundation.

Of course Diploma student will have much better understanding in things related to the course since they had undertaken 2 years of diploma course that is directly related to the stuff. But how many students are willing to take diploma these days ? And how can you compare diploma student with pre-U students. Diploma holders directly enter into the Year 2 of degree program, while STPM/Alevels/UEC will only enter Year 1. Basically Year 1 is for them to learn all the trades before proceeding into year 2.
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yo .. akane i dun think you get the point ?? how u can compare malaysia with other country ? smart so how? do you think our education is base on your grade or age ?? lol malaysia is using the race percentage to enter university, so dont compare our educational with other country when we change the policy, then only try to compare la

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post May 2 2008, 12:54 AM

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i got ukm but i also didnt went to it, akane comparing malaysia with other country , where ppl can go to university after high school at early age ? in malaysia, obviously u have to go form 6 or if you are rich u can choose a level and UEC, how can compare with other country ? for non bumi, 10% rate only can enter matrix so low percentage, thats there reason we have utar and why utar are so popular with the student doubling up the fixtures every year
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post May 2 2008, 08:02 PM

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i guess in my days there is no option rather than form 6, a level is about 10k per semester, i guess you guys are lucky since, you all can take uec and jump from standard 3 to 5, i think utar/ktar is a nice place for the one who is left out in ipta application, in my days many students drop out after spm and stpm, cause they cant find a place in local university, ya u can go to uni after high sch, but my days is not practical, maybe im outdated =X

 

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