Anybody rides with full gear all the time?

I never realized that gloves can help so much, less effort needed to handle the clutch and brakes, better control, and of course, comfortable. I have boots as well and ride with it, but they don't look too hard core. Using Five gloves, with the pre-curve.

Haven't gotten riding jeans/pants yet. I noticed a lot of "riding jeans" are just normal jeans and majority of it doesn't have armored lining, just the pocket for the CE pad at the knee and that's it. Which means if you slide on tarmac, you're gonna lose all your skin.

I'm in full gear 99% of the time. That 1%maybe is going to the Taman shops to get burger or smokes.

Boots, riding pants, jacket, gloves, and a good helmet. Even when I do squid on that 1%, I still have at least my helmet, boots and gloves on.

It's hot, but I rather save some skin and bones.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Oct 31 2022, 04:50 PM

As for riding jeans, the only proper ones need to have a Kevlar lining and you WILL have to use your own better armour. Typically for cheap riding jeans, they will just give you rather useless 4mm EVA foam pads.

I use normal riding jeans with upgraded armour. Kevlar lined jeans are a bit too hot and uncomfortable for me. It is a trade-off. Just have to depend on the armour for protection. Normal denim won't do much in a slide.

My Komine mesh pants has leather over the sliding areas...

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Oct 31 2022, 04:24 PM

Ride with gears most of the time, changes with the risk I am comfortable taking. The most protective gear often is not the comfiest.

The very basic full gear only protect you from jatuh bodoh. No sliding on the tramac it will be destroyed in 1 second. These are your daily jacket, glove boot etc

If you want the best protection full leather racing setup is the best. You can get away with sliding up to 5 second on the road. But those are stiff movement restricting and super hot in our weather. I only use those when I intend to ride aggressively at karak or kkic. For touring duty comfy mesh jacket with mesh pants is my choice. Lighter glove not gauntlet type. High top leather riding boot instead of hard racing boot so I can stretch my legs.

Only helmet n gloves 100% of the time...the rest i usually squid...even my once a week 35km commute oso just hoodie, shorts n crocs coz of what i have to do at the destination which involves alot of sweating n dust n etc.

Yes yes..i know its not right and i should be wearing boots n pants n proper jacket etc...can change at destination etc....

Touring ill be on full gear though including riding pants and boots n jacket...and also compression shirt n pants as well.

FWIW, those slow city traffic rides are the most crucial to armour up as you will be riding in traffic/commute in slower speeds and you get too comfortable and complacent and don't concentrate and as alert then when you ride at speed. we know how often that can go south....plus in traffic there is more things you can hit or hit you so impact protection is more important than sliding performance.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Oct 31 2022, 04:46 PM

in the split second of "uncontrollable" event happened.
all you thinks is ... " Why i didnt put on full gear "

in defensive driving/riding.
the last stage = how to Crash "properly" , or how to Fall properly

Full Gear is part of the Answer.


Always remember. No matter how careful you are.
there is always Motobodo around you.

some carbodo too. change lane like you are invisible.

Lai lai share your gear.

Eh didn’t see such model on sale now. I like the cotton Komine camo design but it’s not armored.

Suggest you put on a jacket? Quite easy. Looks funny, a squid in shorts and crocs with jacket. But why not?

I gotten an awesome deal about MYR680 for a brand new mesh jacket with CE Level 1 armor on shoulder, elbow and back. Rarely got CE back armor included.

Serdang Motorcycle can get some good deals.
I bought all my stuff from there.

Open face, mesh jacket, gauntlets for daily.

Polyester jacket, kevlar lined trousers for trips, leather for fun rides.
Both with full face and race boots.

This post has been edited by alexei: Oct 31 2022, 07:40 PM

same mindset as you.
it takes times to put on all the gears before can even ride off
it may not be as cooling as not wearing a safety jacket (I don't really feel hot, got used to it)
BUT sweating is much better than bleeding/bone fracture
and spending more time putting on the gears is much better than spending time in the hospital.

I'm AGATT all the time even when i ride to work. unless i'm go out to nearby shops to tapau - i'll put on my lighter weight ride jacket and use my mountain bike knee guard.

not sure if you consider this is full gear or not. Other than my fullface helmet, this is what i wear when i ride.

This is why i AGATT all the time.
You'll never know when shit will happen.

at times I get teased , and some will give me the "you are such a show off" look.

I know one guy in my office, quite a close friend before this - he laughed and teased me when he saw me putting on the safety gears at the office car park.
Know what, about a year later , he had a bike accident. His knee hit the tarmac and his kneecap fractured. Other than this injury, he had those usual bike injuries such as road rash, etc.

I was so tempted to remind him of that day he laughed and made fun of me for wearing full gears.

LOL.

i guess some people can predict when accidents will happen.
that's why they dare to ride without safety gears.

I don't have this ability to predict. Hence AGATT.

i ride a small scooter and wear almost full gear hahaha
FF helmet - kabuto kamui 3, jacket - komine jk-141, glove - komine gk-197, boots - forma viper dry...but lower parts still lacking, need some riding pants or maybe just hip & knee armour

several times i noticed at traffic lights, some rider took photo of me and probably laugh too but who cares, ive seen plenty of shit on the road and experience some too

years ago, had 1 accident, emergency brake to avoid a carbodo sudden switch from right lane into my lane at left.... fast speed, hard brake without abs, i had to slide the bike, jump out, and roll several times on the road. luckly there was no car behind and i wore gear & FF if not can kiss my face goodbye already...no serius injuries except some bruises, cuts but the worst are my toes coz i only wore hiking shoes (thick sole, heavy type) easily got torn off...that time wear agv k3 FF, rs taichi jacket and glove

also seen right in front of me, twice on separate occasion, on wet road after rain stopped, a hilux spun on middle of a straight highway and a myvi spun on little bend on highway

not counting the various numerous bike accident happen during daily 70km work commute

so thats why even after downgraded from big bike to small scooter i still wear full gear coz u never know when shit gonna happen but usually it's during the daily peak traffic jam time. also no point if getting a cheap or fake gear..wont protect anything, for show only

You wear those boots the entire day? How does your feet fare? Haven’t spent extended periods with my boots, similar height as yours. Other than the sole being super stiff and reinforced pad for shifter, it looks *ok* for daily wear.

I think yours is full gear, no sliding protection for hips and butts but that’s not mission critical. We don’t slide like Rossi most of the time. It is really carbodo and motobodo most of the time.

If I was riding a scooter I might use a lower cut shoe instead of stiff boots.

These shoes are comfy enough to wear the whole day , especially when it is seasoned. And it still provide enough protection. I wear this in the office and go jalan jalan.

If I'm not wrong the model is TCX Mood. And it's waterproof as well. Go check it out.

they take you as motivation for ATTGATT

ouch...

we only have 1 body

we wear gear and sometimes ppl call us 'pussies'
just need to remind them, 'cats have 9 lives'

most riders do not have this concern.

call you a pussy
or make fun of you by saying "you going racing?"
or say "so scared then better don't ride".

some are better skilled than me of course, can cilok between cars at full speed, I see also kecut.

just tell them 'ya, i'm an imaginary racer'



many ppl are like that, I just tell them, belum kena then count yourselves lucky
I just say bluntly, yes, I kena before, and enough for now

I can also tell stories, show scars, and describe the pain going to clinics treating roadrash, stitches, and run water across those skin, those time wasted.
some ppl perma-injured forever cannot dukung anak, how? not to curse them but we have brains to think, and technology in protection to reduce severity of injury.

spend on tyres, brakes and suspension as well, those reduces chances of crashing during those 'oh-shit' moments
Malaysia road is bad, but at least is not slippery as Thailand
but, our motobodo and carbodo is at least 3x than theirs

You may have good skills.
but on a public road you are not alone. There are road users with no skills.

dandanfireman always say riders must put their high ego aside when riding on a public road. We are not the only road users.

you just need one donkey to make you crash.

I'm going to imagine myself herding donkeys from now on, whenever I don't imagine myself being a racer

Not really full gear, but here goes: modular helmet, Andes V3 jacket and pants, Forma Vantage boots and gloves. Daily rider with 100km return trip (60 highway 40 city road).

Works damn well during rainy season. Just need to stop to close those vents. But sweaty AF during hot and dry season.

Good mindset. And donkeys are donkeys so don’t expect them to be rational or logical.

I DGAF about other people, so people taking photos or making fun doesn’t bother me. Can look like macam yes, bergaya.

Don’t need to respond anyway, just smile.

It’s our life and our skin. I’m not going to put my my safety aside cause people make fun of me. And don’t need to answer them.

One thing that concerns me is people gearing up with stuff they think is safe.. when it’s not.

I’ve seen quite a number of motorcycle riding boots that doesn’t have CE rating…. And a lot of mesh jackets esp Taichi and Komine that has CE armor but the jacket itself doesn’t have CE rating for abrasion. Same with my own mesh jacket. No CE for abrasion. I’ve got a leather jacket but that doesn’t have back armor only shoulder and elbow.

My daily gear as requested.

HJC Rpha 70




Komine JK069 Mesh Jacket (armour upgraded), with Neck brace (only when highway use, city use impedes shoulder check) .





No brand riding jeans (amour upgraded) various design and colour. Single layer non kevlar lined / Komine PK717 mesh riding pants


The Komine mesh pants have compatible zip to zip to your Komine jacket so it stays together in a slide. I also upgraded the hip armour.


Benkia GK333 Mesh gloves / Komine GK160




Arcx Riding boots




These are my daily gear. I ahve other secondary equipment like extra jackets , gloves, helmets etc. that I didnt bother to put up.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Nov 1 2022, 02:10 PM

The Andes V3, marketing talk say it's waterproof membrane and good breathability.
My textile jacket, also with internal rain liner.

I wanna say our jackets are similar, and they are hot AF.
Personally, for ventilation, I prefer perforated leathers.

I think CE rating for garment came in later. Even race leather suits don't get CE rating, except for some RST.

THis comes with proper research. Not all gear will be properly tested for CE ratings.

We use our equipment knowing full well the limitations and what it can or can not do.

Many riders are limited by budget and or comfort. Depends a lot on your risk adversion as well and how you ride.

Its no point decking ones self up with 5000 of gear that you dont wear because its too uncomfortable.

Just wear what you can comfortably afford or be comfortable in.

Anybody tried or used airbags? Some like the Tech-Air is too proprietary and may need to be periodically replaced/change canister which may cost as much as buying new. Lol.

This post has been edited by genesiscopy: Nov 1 2022, 02:38 PM

Internal waterproof liner? Must as well don't use.

My jacket has one. It's a real PITA to put on. And it still leaks in at the front zipper. Rest of it is ok. Plus your jacket still gets very wet and heavy and takes forever to dry. Disaster on a multiday trip where you can't properly dry your gear.

Better just to put on a rain shell over your main jacket. Much faster and you can choose bright eye searing florescent colours that you otherwise won't wear on a normal day.

I have a friend using a dainese d-air vest. Says it's heavy and hot.

Helite Turtle seems to be the best reviewed airbag vest so far.

For me cuz i work at a production factory , I ride 40km a day so just a Full face helmet (HJC C70) , Benkia jackets ,riding gloves (Rockbros), work pants and safety boots.

Good enough for me and my own budget.

No, not that type.
Example like this: outer shell, inner waterproof layer, then another mesh nylon layer.
In my case, there are 2 zippers, one internal one for waterproof.

Then again, that jacket oredi many years, now leaking everywhere.

My daily commute is only 10km 1-way, so to and fro is around 20-25km. I ATGATT on my commute except for riding pants. I just wear my work cargo pants as it is too inconvenient to change pants.

I wear a Shoei Neotec 2 helmet, Furygan WB07 mesh jacket with D3O pads and upgraded with additional CE level 2 back D3O protector, Furygan Jet D3O gloves, recent addition is the Alpinestar CR-X Drystar riding shoes and on longer rides other than my work commute, I have a pair of Furygan Jeans with D3O as well. I love d3o as it is soft and I can fold my jacket with the full back protector and fit it in my top box with my helmet so I can ATGATT to anywhere and leave my gear secured on my bike.

For me helmet must be full face or modular, few years ago I jatuh bodoh from my VS125 scooter and faceplanted at 60kmh onto tarmac. If not because of my LS2 modular helmet, my face would've been a goner. And for that crash I was wearing my RS Taichi jacket with armour but did not wear my gloves as it was raining and I didn't want to wet my gloves(stupid me!). In the end my upper body had almost zero damage other than my palms.


Aftermath from my fall from a scooter


If anybody is interested with Furygan gear, you can go direct to the distributor at Balakong where they are having some very nice discount on older model gears. Also bought my rain suit there as well and had yet to use it but it is always in my top box.

Basically this is how I look like with my gear. Photo from when I was test-riding some Triumph bikes.

Bro
Protect your knees as well.

If you remember the story I shared, my buddy fractured his kneecap just from a simple fall from his motorbike.

Yeah getting a motowolf strap on knee guard for work. Seems like they come with viscoelastic pads, at least in the photos.

https://shopee.com.my/product/132531093/211...60-1667732462.9

Awesome

Imma gonna get a cam mount, is that stuck on using 3M tape?

Ordered these, hope they arrive soon.

Depends where you want to stick it too. Usually it's just 3M tape.

I have that stuck on my karting helmet...seems to be still secure after 1 year.. But on motorcycle, I prefer to use my mirror stalk ball mount. More secure..and more adjustments.....and I can loop a safety wire on it just in case the mount fails.

Also don't like the additional weight and aero compromise having a cam on the helmet.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Nov 8 2022, 09:25 AM

Yes but 3m tape also has its grades/levels...make sure to get the gray outdoor tape

Mine has been stuck on my helmet for about 3 or 4 years

Good point regarding the weight and aero on helmet, but I prefer the helmet POV since it shows when you are checking your six.

Guess it is which compromise that I want.

Yeah don't forget to match the surface you're mounting on, there's the curved or flat mount.

Just gotten myself a pair of Forma Adv. boots (high cut) - brown. Worth every sen. Comfortable at the first wear and confidence boosting too! Downside, I getting weird looks when I ride the "kapchai".... who cares!

Any recommendation for helmet cam... might start doing a moto vlog....

GoPro? I’m going to use a china action cam I got free from credit card application for “Dashcam” purpose.

If i have the money, I'd go for Insta360 One X3. You can do that 'follow me' video on the fly. But it is abit pricey.

for curved surface on my helmet, I use this epoxy putty to mold the exact shape of the helmet curve and my gopro mount surface.

some recent reviews says that DJI Osmo Action 3 is much better than Gopro.
(and cheaper)

I am using chin mount holder for my cheap camera.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_ms8PHQU

How much? Waterproof?

Did the same thing for my helmets...but my epoxy putty is stuck directly to the mount unlike the video...just had to rough it up kow2 n make sure to push the putty into the grooves/scratches on the mount.

After applying 3m tape i stuck it on and clamped it overnight..its been stuck there for 3-4 years..i used the cheap bondite epoxy putty (rm10)

Akaso, not too bad

I didn't stick it directly onto the helmet

Use 3m heavy duty double sided tape on both sides.
Still holding, almost 4 years now.

I have the akaso 7 r2. Unusable audio. But for dash cam purposes... It's fine. I have a video link somewhere on the dominar thread, if you want to check the video and stabilization quality, as that is an off road gravel ride.

about 1.1k, yes waterproof. Tonnes of reviews.

Gopro would be the gold standard, or any of Insta360's 360 cam offering is that is more your thing. Try to get at least a Gopro 8 and above. Ideally 9 and above.

Vaseline is a pretty good release agent for these epoxy btw. Put Vaseline on your helmet surface and the epoxy putty won't stick to it.

Still not as good as a Gopro to me. I use Gopro pretty often as I fly FPV drones.

But GoPros after 4 are sooooo friggin heavy...

I really cannot brain how ppl ride with that brick on their helmet....n thats not even including the brick of a mic adapter yet

I biasa already.
I'm wearing a relatively light weight helmet ( rpha70).
With the helmet cam and intercom, no more light weight. But used to it, so no issues.

using komine gk220 gloves and IZTWO SNEAKER BOOTS...
currently finding for riding pants and jacket

any of you bought any gears from revzilla before?

many jackets comes with CE rated elbow and shoulder, but back usually give a useless foam piece. So do take note. The back armor is more important.

I bought from FC-moto before if it counts

So they had arrived. The pads feels similar to d3o I guess, but seems to be less 'nice' when compared to my d3o pads. I wish the velcro are longer, or my legs are just too huge as the straps at the thighs are just barely touching.



Guess I'll be getting some weird looks from my colleagues tomorrow

You'll get used to it. If you want lightweight then maybe can try an insta360 go 2, used gopro Session 5 or the latest gopro 11 mini, but all these cameras have the downside of having a fixed battery so you can't just swap the battery out when you've depleted it.

The velcro straps will become longer over the time. Don't worry. Just make sure it doesn't come off easily.

Don't bother about how others look at you. Because it's anything happen and you are not ATGATT, that will not be there to help you.

naaah...im already running an SJ4000 AIR with a waterproof charging case.... so i dont even need to worry about the battery running out... rain or shine, it can continue charging...still lighter than those bricks

as for getting used to it... dunno la.. i have an MT Helmet Atom SV... did a chin mount.. with the camera, whole setup weight was unbearable to me granted the helmet is already 1.7kg la.

visor can close all the way shut?

currently which jacket you rocking?


managed to pass through customs without tax?

Yes

if below RM500, won't kena
if above RM500, high chance kena

next year, all kena: https://ecentral.my/cukai-jualan-barang-imp...rm500-ke-bawah/

i really want to buy a good affordable riding pants <$200, but the pants recommended by ryan F9 all not in MY huhuhu

Kena boss. Import duty.

FC-moto is dumb, put the bright stickers all over the box
Kastam sure know inside is premium riding gear

like what? F9 is in northern hemisphere, we're on the equator

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/icon-10...e&utm_source=CJ

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/scorpio...ta=MXxOfDB8WXww

LSH selling rev'it jeans but as usual they have a website without any pricing

both are nylon Cordura pants, thanks but I suggest you skip just get polyester or mix cotton

How to close all the way when the strap is there?

Close all the way means closed until the visor clip locks and have water tight lid.

okay bro thank you, then i think can find komine since it's widely available in MY

I installed my chin mount holder since August 2020. There isn't any leaks. My Scorpion ADX1 has a very strong closing visor. Can feel like a suction pump. Although I can strap thru the openings on the rubber seal of helmet but I do not bother since it did not give any problems. I just let it be.





This post has been edited by gataddhin: Nov 10 2022, 04:01 PM

My ATGATT

Total RM4258. About 10% of my bike value.
At least I feel comfortable and safe.

that jeans not available in the market anymore i guess

Treat the money you spend in safety gears as an insurance.


This is how I look at it.

Don't think you can get proper riding pants under 200 here. Proper ones with Kevlar lining will be closer to 500 even on sale.

Incidentally, These just came in the mail.



Thick cotton/khaki type material. Single layer. Won't slide worth shit. But at least it has armour pocket on hip and knees. Paid like 70 each. Just treat it as normal pants.

I wear these on the daily to work along with my other single layer jeans. Let's face it, you are not going for a long slide in city traffic. Impact protection is more important. It's a compromise I'm willing to make for cost and comfort.

Kevlar lined is just a bit too hot in daily traffic.

Slide protection or not, these are way more comfortable on a bike than normal jeans, since they are cut for riding and have stretch fabric at the correct places....and correct lenght so you don't look like wearing 3/4 pants when on the bike.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Nov 10 2022, 05:50 PM

My gear cost 1/2 as much as my bike. Hahaha.

My Komine WJ733 jeans use high-strength fiber Kevlar for hip and knee lining only. Thus it is not so hot to wear. I was quoted RM1K plus for Revit full long length Kevlar jeans. Now RM1,140 for 2 Komine jeans. Can swap when one is wet.

what is the rational behind it? please share. cotton or poly+cotton no slide protection, later DNA on the tarmac.

I think the optimum option is either cordura, or kevlar lined on the knee and bum. BUT, fake Komine with real CE1 is better than normal jeans, I've seen those being quite affordable, so no excuse really.

This post has been edited by Jason: Nov 10 2022, 09:05 PM

Cordura is just a brand name of a nylon based fabric.

For slide abrasion, you need to look at the fabric density. Any fabric with weave densities of 800 (denoted denier) or more will offer good slide abrasion. Basically, more fabric, better abrasion resistance.

Kevlar just adds tensile strength, it actually doesn't abrade that well, but what it does is, it doesn't rip. So you will still get some protection if your main fabric rips for some reason.

A proper riding garment is also built differently with a lot more reinforced stitching. Hence the cost. If your seams rip, whatever high denier fabric you use would be useless.

Nothing beats proper thick leather though. Even those are double or triple stitched.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Nov 10 2022, 10:39 PM

For mine,

Shoei Neotec 2 - RM3100
Cardo Freecom 4+ - RM950 i think
Furygan Jet Gloves - RM200 i think
Furygan WB07 Jacket - RM450
Fruygan Back Protector - RM221
Furygan Jeans - RM369
Alpinestars CR-X Drystar Shoes - RM820

Total - RM6,110

Yeap, my gear is worth half my bike

Haven't add in raincoat RM250, or if remove the Cardo also still RM5k+. Gloves and jacket all consider entry-level stuff only samore. Then again, Malaysia too hot for more protective gear :sad:

My riding jeans claims to be 10% Kevlar though it looks like any other regular jeans

Kevlar is the yellowish fabric on the inside

this page helped me decide:
https://www.servicethread.com/blog/material...ester-and-nylon

TLDR:
nylon is 10% stronger than poly, when new
nylon degrades in UV (become powder puff) - some plastics loses 75% strength after 6 days of UV exposure
nylon absorbs moisture (cooler fabric than poly)
nylon is less resistant to chemicals and petroleum products

Also, mission critical ropes such as those used in emergency services almost always use polyester. Nylon would have to be UV treated.

This post has been edited by alexei: Nov 11 2022, 09:31 AM

Kevlar lining in gloves and pants be like this