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post Dec 21 2015, 01:15 AM, updated 7y ago

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After few months of research and viewing I've narrowed down my search for a minimum 65in tv :-

1) Philips 65in 5409 1080p with 600hz motion - rm4.4k
The good - good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen
The bad - limited features, basic TV, no 3d, no 4k

2) Philips 65in 6909 1080p, 800hz with 3d and backlight illumination - rm5.7k
The good - 800hz motion, good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen, active 3d
The bad - dated smart features, no 4k

3) Sony 65in W850C 1080p, 3d - rm5.8k
The good - good black levels, contrast, active 3d, Android tv
The bad - no 4k, reflective screen

4) Toshiba 65in L9450 4k - RM6.6k
The good - Good black levels and contrast, Android TV, 4k
The bad - no 3d

5) Sharp 70in 950x 1080p RM7.5k
The good - 4 colour screen, big screen for the money, 3d
The bad - No 4k, dated smart features

Which one would you choose given the budget of +/- RM7k?

This post has been edited by DannyOP: Feb 2 2016, 04:23 AM
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post Dec 21 2015, 01:27 AM

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Cheapest one will serve me good.

No need 3d.

Not many 4k content.

Android box will give full control to what we need.
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post Dec 21 2015, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 01:15 AM)
After few months of research and viewing I've narrowed down my search for a minimum 65in tv :-

1) Philips 65in 5409 1080p with 600hz motion - rm4.4k
The good - good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen
The bad - limited features, basic TV, no 3d, no 4k

2) Philips 65in 6909  1080p, 800hz with 3d and backlight illumination - rm5.7k
The good - 800hz motion, good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen, active 3d
The bad - dated smart features, no 4k

3) Sony 65in W850C 1080p, 3d - rm5.8k
The good - good black levels, contrast, active 3d, Android tv
The bad - no 4k, reflective screen

4) Toshiba 65in L9450 4k - RM6.6k
The good - Good black levels and contrast, Android TV, 4k
The bad - no 3d

5) Sharp 70in 950x 1080p RM7.5k
The good - 4 colour screen, big screen for the money, 3d
The bad - No 4k, dated smart features

Which one would you choose given the budget of +/- RM7k?
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post Dec 21 2015, 06:03 AM

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well based on lack of content in 3d and 4k,we hv a choice of either Toshiba or a sony!!
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post Dec 21 2015, 06:54 AM

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Size does matter so will go with the biggest
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post Dec 21 2015, 07:03 AM

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Go for sony
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post Dec 21 2015, 07:33 AM

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No. 3 & 4 fight.

I dont prefer 3D.
Take no.3 if u dont need 4k. For me, I will consider 4k future proof since we r not often changing tv.
Picture wise, I believe Sony better. I havent seen the Toshiba for comparison.

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post Dec 21 2015, 09:13 AM

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(1) wins on price.

(3) sounds matching with my PS4, but the pricing is a big letdown for a 1080p TV, IMHO.

4k TVs are still a bit pricey to me.
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post Dec 21 2015, 09:51 AM

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Still cannot find a TV can match or beat Plasma TV for price <5k, Lets pray OLED catch up with lifespan and price affordability.
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post Dec 21 2015, 10:23 AM

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Best place to view is Desa Home Kepong because they have all the tvs on display at once, and they play Astro HD so very easy to compare. If it can play low quality Astro well it should play 1080p and 4k content much better.

Picture quality wise 4) Toshiba beats 3) Sony. It has better blacks only 2nd to Oled.

Btw 55in oled price also dropped to rm6k+.

I believe all these tvs will look better once calibrated, but one thing can't be controlled is the black level, so I shortlisted all these for good black levels to my eyes. Only Sharp 950x is a bit off maybe because they use extra bright panels.

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 21 2015, 09:51 AM)
Still cannot find a TV can match or beat Plasma TV for price <5k, Lets pray OLED catch up with lifespan and price affordability.
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Plasma also cost rm30k for 50in when Pioneer Kuro launched. It also took few years for price to drop.

In terms of affordability it already surpassed the best of Plasma and took a shorter period for it to become more affordable. In a short 2 years the prices drop from rm30k to rm6k+.

In terms of everything else especially picture quality also surpass with superior contrast and even better black levels.


If 55in is big enough for you, grab it and enjoy.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 10:50 AM)
Plasma also cost rm30k for 50in when Pioneer Kuro launched. It also took few years for price to drop.

In terms of affordability it already surpassed the best of Plasma and took a shorter period for it to become more affordable. In a short 2 years the prices drop from rm30k to rm6k+.

In terms of everything else especially picture quality also surpass with superior contrast and even better black levels.
If 55in is big enough for you, grab it and enjoy.
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I hope by the time my mini plasma due for change, it drop further. 50-55" just nice for my living room. Price have to save bit more.
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I am still using my plasma, Pioneer 720p,>5 yrs liao.
I also hope by the time I need a new tv, OLED would be cheaper.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 10:23 AM)
Best place to view is Desa Home Kepong because they have all the tvs on display at once, and they play Astro HD so very easy to compare.  If it can play low quality Astro well it should play 1080p and 4k content much better.

Picture quality wise 4) Toshiba beats 3) Sony. It has better blacks only 2nd to Oled. 

Btw 55in oled price also dropped to rm6k+.

I believe all these tvs will look better once calibrated, but one thing can't be controlled is the black level, so I shortlisted all these for good black levels to my eyes. Only Sharp 950x is a bit off maybe because they use extra bright panels.
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Toshiba has good black levels? hmm.gif

Have you seen some Samsung TVs? Their higher end ones.. which has really deep black levels, I almost mistook them as OLED. But it's not, they are using some kind of technology, can't remember the marketing term they used. Around RM7-10k if not mistaken..
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Dec 21 2015, 06:07 PM)
Toshiba has good black levels? hmm.gif

Have you seen some Samsung TVs? Their higher end ones.. which has really deep black levels, I almost mistook them as OLED. But it's not, they are using some kind of technology, can't remember the marketing term they used. Around RM7-10k if not mistaken..
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the only way to test black level is in dark room,not in the showroom or review and testing with proper gear

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Dec 21 2015, 06:07 PM)
Toshiba has good black levels? hmm.gif

Have you seen some Samsung TVs? Their higher end ones.. which has really deep black levels, I almost mistook them as OLED. But it's not, they are using some kind of technology, can't remember the marketing term they used. Around RM7-10k if not mistaken..
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Yes, but Samsung only good with the 7000-9000 series, which cost rm9k-20k+, they are still using led but backlight compared to edge lit for cheaper models. So it's out of my budget.

Toshiba L9450 uses the same backlight technology that's why it has very good black levels, take note this is the flagship model costing RM20+k last year end when it launched. If you go to Desa Home Kepong and when they play Astro HD it even give Oled a close fight.


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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 10:50 AM)
Plasma also cost rm30k for 50in when Pioneer Kuro launched. It also took few years for price to drop.

In terms of affordability it already surpassed the best of Plasma and took a shorter period for it to become more affordable. In a short 2 years the prices drop from rm30k to rm6k+.

In terms of everything else especially picture quality also surpass with superior contrast and even better black levels.
If 55in is big enough for you, grab it and enjoy.
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Hi DannyOP, where was the best price for the LG 55EC930T?
I am also looking for a large screen tv preferably 65 inches with a similar budget of max 7k. But there seems to be many compromises for all the 65 inchers within this budget. 10k seems to be the sweetspot but it's too much for a tv.

I would prefer to have 4k and 3D even if it may not be very useful but PQ is also a priority. The Toshiba seems nice but it doesn't have hdcp 2.2 so netflix 4k will not work same as any other 4k streaming services with copy protected content. I believe it also doesn't have 4k 60 fps but I can't find this info.

At the moment considering to just get the oled and just live with a smaller screen rather than compromise on pq. Haihhh... so difficult to decide.

Maybe it's best to just wait for the prices to come down further.
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to have both 4k and 3d, it'll be very expensive.
to fit the OP price category, you have to choose either one.
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Latest oled LG Malaysia site is EC model, is that like few version/generation back?

Thought latest model is EG n EF (which is flat)
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QUOTE(w'lock @ Jan 3 2016, 10:41 AM)
Latest oled LG  Malaysia site is EC model,  is that like few version/generation back?

Thought latest  model is EG  n EF (which is flat)
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 3 2016, 01:10 AM)
Hi DannyOP, where was the best price for the LG 55EC930T?
I am also looking for a large screen tv preferably 65 inches with a similar budget of max 7k. But there seems to be many compromises for all the 65 inchers within this budget. 10k seems to be the sweetspot but it's too much for a tv.

I would prefer to have 4k and 3D even if it may not be very useful but PQ is also a priority. The Toshiba seems nice but it doesn't have hdcp 2.2 so netflix 4k will not work same as any other 4k streaming services with copy protected content. I believe it also doesn't have 4k 60 fps but I can't find this info.

At the moment considering to just get the oled and just live with a smaller screen rather than compromise on pq. Haihhh... so difficult to decide.

Maybe it's best to just wait for the prices to come down further.
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Best price I got was RM6k for the OLED but no more stock already and that also no warranty so a bit risky. Those from retail shop the best I got was rm7.3k from USJ Taipan.

For me also PQ is a priority. Those smart etc it is better to get an Android box which is faster and more flexible. That's why I never put smart features as my priority. PQ should always be the priority that can't be improved upon with any Android box.

Are you able to get 4k 60hz to pay smoothly on Netflix? Minimum 30Mbps I presume?



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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 3 2016, 11:03 PM)
Best price I got was RM6k for the OLED but no more stock already and that also no warranty so a bit risky. Those from retail shop the best I got was rm7.3k from USJ Taipan.

For me also PQ is a priority. Those smart etc it is better to get an Android box which is faster and more flexible. That's why I never put smart features as my priority. PQ should always be the priority that can't be improved upon with any Android box.

Are you able to get 4k 60hz to pay smoothly on Netflix? Minimum 30Mbps I presume?
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Thanks for the reply. I think harvey norman ipc is also selling around that price. If can get it below 6k might pull the trigger. Otherwise may go for the toshiba l9450 or wait for the sony x8500 to go down in price.

No chance to try netflix 4k coz i don't have a 4k tv yet. And setup is a bit complicated so can't test at the shop also. But should not be a problem with 30mbps unifi. Netflix recommends 25mbps i believe but the stream is highly compressed so shouldn't be a problem.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 01:15 AM)
After few months of research and viewing I've narrowed down my search for a minimum 65in tv :-

1) Philips 65in 5409 1080p with 600hz motion - rm4.4k
The good - good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen
The bad - limited features, basic TV, no 3d, no 4k

2) Philips 65in 6909  1080p, 800hz with 3d and backlight illumination - rm5.7k
The good - 800hz motion, good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen, active 3d
The bad - dated smart features, no 4k

3) Sony 65in W850C 1080p, 3d - rm5.8k
The good - good black levels, contrast, active 3d, Android tv
The bad - no 4k, reflective screen

4) Toshiba 65in L9450 4k - RM6.6k
The good - Good black levels and contrast, Android TV, 4k
The bad - no 3d

5) Sharp 70in 950x 1080p RM7.5k
The good - 4 colour screen, big screen for the money, 3d
The bad - No 4k, dated smart features

Which one would you choose given the budget of +/- RM7k?
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Hey Danny, been looking at TVs and learned quite a lot from your research. Let's exchange some notes.

Between your choices based on your assessment, I would pick option 3, cause I do not need 4k (mainly 720p and 1080p content for ME). Reflective screen is not a major issue because I watch with dim to no lighting -- so this depends on YOUR environment.

That being said, option 1 also looks like a great option due to the price. If visually, 1 & 3 no major difference, I'd pick 1.

Built in "smart" features or android in a TV does not appeal to me, reason being, if the TV is replaced the following year and the manufacturer stops "updating" the Android, it will be "obsolete". I'd rather save the money and buy a non-Smart TV, and buy an external Android box like Himedia for ~RM3xx.

On the whole list, I like option 4 the most, because it has 4K and good black levels. Is the L9450 the L9400 in the USA? If yes, then its a full array with local dimming? I think that's the best technology for conventional TVs, below OLEDs. With the 4K, you won't be having upgraditis down the road as more 4k content become available. But the L9400 has been plagued by quality issues, so you'd probably need to get a good unit. (buy the display set if the hours not that long? lol)
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Go for 4k , some brand have 4k upscale. 4k not many content but last u for few years , unless u plan change TV within 2 years...
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Now there is the new Ultra HD Premium sticker which denotes that the TV has HDR capabilities - can support Dolby Vision & HDR10 (announced at CES 2016).

According to many online TV reviewers, they believe that HDR is a much bigger game changer for TVs compared to 4K.

Now in a dilemma whether to wait for 2016 HDR capable models or get 2014/2015 models on the cheap.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 7 2016, 12:18 PM)
Now there is the new Ultra HD Premium sticker which denotes that the TV has HDR capabilities - can support Dolby Vision & HDR10 (announced at CES 2016).

According to many online TV reviewers, they believe that HDR is a much bigger game changer for TVs compared to 4K.

Now in a dilemma whether to wait for 2016 HDR capable models or get 2014/2015 models on the cheap.
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I don't think it matters 50" and below, depending on your viewing distance. Typical ~9 feet, won't see the benefits for 4K for majority on a 50" screen.

But that Toshiba 50L9450 is a steal ~RM3.3k, FALD with 4k. Quite a bargain.

On even higher res.. you'd need a bigger screen or sit nearer.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 7 2016, 03:47 PM)
I don't think it matters 50" and below, depending on your viewing distance. Typical ~9 feet, won't see the benefits for 4K for majority on a 50" screen.

But that Toshiba 50L9450 is a steal ~RM3.3k, FALD with 4k. Quite a bargain.

On even higher res.. you'd need a bigger screen or sit nearer.
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HDR is not about resolution. It doesn't matter how big your screen is or how far you sit. It is about about showing on the tv what the director intended when making the movie (which is currently not possible due to the limitations of tv technology).

I have read many reviews online, and none of the profesional reviewers were excited about 4K or curved screens. But they are very excited about HDR.

Personally, I cannot imagine what it will look like, but I hope the difference is as impactful as SD vs HD.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 7 2016, 11:09 AM)
Hey Danny, been looking at TVs and learned quite a lot from your research. Let's exchange some notes.

Between your choices based on your assessment, I would pick option 3, cause I do not need 4k (mainly 720p and 1080p content for ME). Reflective screen is not a major issue because I watch with dim to no lighting -- so this depends on YOUR environment.

That being said, option 1 also looks like a great option due to the price. If visually, 1 & 3 no major difference, I'd pick 1.

Built in "smart" features or android in a TV does not appeal to me, reason being, if the TV is replaced the following year and the manufacturer stops "updating" the Android, it will be "obsolete". I'd rather save the money and buy a non-Smart TV, and buy an external Android box like Himedia for ~RM3xx.

On the whole list, I like option 4 the most, because it has 4K and good black levels. Is the L9450 the L9400 in the USA? If yes, then its a full array with local dimming? I think that's the best technology for conventional TVs, below OLEDs. With the 4K, you won't be having upgraditis down the road as more 4k content become available. But the L9400 has been plagued by quality issues, so you'd probably need to get a good unit. (buy the display set if the hours not that long? lol)
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OK I bit the bullet and chose a different TV from my initial list. Decided to go for the Sharp UE630e 4k series but a smaller one at 58". It also has very good black levels and was the flagship for 2015 Sharp lineup in Malaysia. Also has the latest Android TV though not my priority. Price was RM5080.

65 would be better but price is close to RM9k and I reckon will wait for oled prices to drop before splurging again, then this can be demoted to a good bedroom TV.

Will post my thoughts on this TV when it arrives next week. It was a toss between this or the 65in Philips 1080p model which was cheaper by RM600+.

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OK I bit the bullet and chose a different TV from my initial list. Decided to go for the Sharp UE630e 4k series but a smaller one at 58". It also has very good black levels and was the flagship for 2015 Sharp lineup in Malaysia. Also has the latest Android TV though not my priority. Price was RM5080.

65 would be better but price is close to RM9k and I reckon will wait for oled prices to drop before splurging again, then this can be demoted to a good bedroom TV.

Will post my thoughts on this TV when it arrives next week. It was a toss between this or the 65in Philips 1080p model which was cheaper by RM600+.
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Congrats on your purchase! What was the deciding factor compared to your earlier choices and also what made you decide to go with a smaller size?

I'm also having a similar dilemma as you previously. After seeing the oled 65 inch again today at harvey norman, I think I oled is the only way to go ... But the price is crazy!
Everything else is just a major compromise. Logic tells me to wait till prices come down. But heart is telling me to just grab something now.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 9 2016, 04:13 PM)
OK I bit the bullet and chose a different TV from my initial list. Decided to go for the Sharp UE630e 4k series but a smaller one at 58". It also has very good black levels and was the flagship for 2015 Sharp lineup in Malaysia. Also has the latest Android TV though not my priority. Price was RM5080.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 9 2016, 06:23 PM)
Congrats on your purchase! What was the deciding factor compared to your earlier choices and also what made you decide to go with a smaller size?

I'm also having a similar dilemma as you previously. After seeing the oled 65 inch again today at harvey norman, I think I oled is the only way to go ... But the price is crazy!
Everything else is just a major compromise. Logic tells me to wait till prices come down. But heart is telling me to just grab something now.
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Well some of the demos I did at Harvey Norman 1 Utama with HD material compared the 630x with the LG 65" Oled and this comes the closest. It just lose out on the black levels slightly but in terms of colour it was slightly more vibrant. I'm just comparing out of the box performance.

They didn't have the Philips model at Harvey so it was difficult to decide. I know 65" has so much more real estate and Philips works well with slightly low quality videos like Astro, but 65in if I were to move closer to the TV the pixels will be more noticeable and less forgiving to less than perfect sources. Also I was thinking as an entertainment unit it would be easier for the wife to use due to the build in Android Tv which we can use 4k sources like YouTube and Netflix out of the box, and expandable storage also helps.

The Toshiba was also close but I notice artifacts even with HD material so I put that slightly behind, but at rm6k+ it is the most affordable 65" 4k tv with good black levels.

Oh well u can't have them all and beggars can't be choosers, I also put into consideration I hardly have time to watch TV due to family life so some thoughts to the benefit of them made the Sharp an overall best choice. It only lose out on the size but compared to the current 40" Sony bravia 5yr+ model it replaces it will be a huge difference.

Btw my distance if compare the sofa closest to the TV is 8-9 feet and the furthest is 14-15 feet.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 10 2016, 05:53 AM)
Well some of the demos I did at Harvey Norman 1 Utama with HD material compared the 630x with the LG 65" Oled and this comes the closest. It just lose out on the black levels slightly but in terms of colour it was slightly more vibrant. I'm just comparing out of the box performance.

They didn't have the Philips model at Harvey so it was difficult to decide. I know 65" has so much more real estate and Philips works well with slightly low quality videos like Astro, but 65in if I were to move closer to the TV the pixels will be more noticeable and less forgiving to less than perfect sources. Also I was thinking as an entertainment unit it would be easier for the wife to use due to the build in Android Tv which we can use 4k sources like YouTube and Netflix out of the box, and expandable storage also helps.

The Toshiba was also close but I notice artifacts even with HD material so I put that slightly behind, but at rm6k+ it is the most affordable 65" 4k tv with good black levels.

Oh well u can't have them all and beggars can't be choosers, I also put into consideration I hardly have time to watch TV due to family life so some thoughts to the benefit of them made the Sharp an overall best choice. It only lose out on the size but compared to the current 40" Sony bravia 5yr+ model it replaces it will be a huge difference.

Btw my distance if compare the sofa closest to the TV is 8-9 feet and the furthest is 14-15 feet.
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Thanks for the explanation on the deciding factor. I saw the UE630X at Harvery Norman and was quite impressed with it as well. To me it seemed to have more natural colours compared to the other brands. However, I was not very keen on getting a Sharp due to the difficulty in finding any reviews online. Also due to the very different model names, I have no idea what the US/Europe model name for UE630X is. So research is not possible. Sharp's website also is very basic and has very little information on their TVs. I have no idea whether the panels they use is VA or IPS.

However, I see that Sharp is available in almost all the electrical shops compared to other brands and it is possible to get a good discount on it compared to models like Sony & Samsung. Where did you get yours, USJ 1?

I would probably go down the same route as you. I will downsize to 55-60 inch and just get something that is good enough to replace my old 40" CCFL LCD and get an OLED 5 years later.
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Thanks for the explanation on the deciding factor. I saw the UE630X at Harvery Norman and was quite impressed with it as well. To me it seemed to have more natural colours compared to the other brands. However, I was not very keen on getting a Sharp due to the difficulty in finding any reviews online. Also due to the very different model names, I have no idea what the US/Europe model name for UE630X is. So research is not possible. Sharp's website also is very basic and has very little information on their TVs. I have no idea whether the panels they use is VA or IPS.

However, I see that Sharp is available in almost all the electrical shops compared to other brands and it is possible to get a good discount on it compared to models like Sony & Samsung. Where did you get yours, USJ 1?

I would probably go down the same route as you. I will downsize to 55-60 inch and just get something that is good enough to replace my old 40" CCFL LCD and get an OLED 5 years later.
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Take the reviews with a pinch of salt, I find the best way is to download some samples of 720p, 1080p and 4k. Go to Harvey Norman, ask them test all the TVs in your shortlist. And let u play with the settings.

I bought from HLK USJ 10/1A. Sharp doesn't have much reviews so you need to do self review.

Yes at RM5080 it's already a good discount. Retail was RM7k+ and other places like Harvey can only offer RM5990.

The advantage of getting a well stocked brand is ease of repairs should the time come vs limited stock or run out stock where you have less chances of getting parts.

Have a look at Toshiba l9450 also if you can accept the artifacts it is also quite decent. It should be similar to 9300 series where you can find reviews online but 9300 doesn't have good reviews .

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
Thanks for the explanation on the deciding factor. I saw the UE630X at Harvery Norman and was quite impressed with it as well. To me it seemed to have more natural colours compared to the other brands. However, I was not very keen on getting a Sharp due to the difficulty in finding any reviews online. Also due to the very different model names, I have no idea what the US/Europe model name for UE630X is. So research is not possible. Sharp's website also is very basic and has very little information on their TVs. I have no idea whether the panels they use is VA or IPS.

However, I see that Sharp is available in almost all the electrical shops compared to other brands and it is possible to get a good discount on it compared to models like Sony & Samsung. Where did you get yours, USJ 1?

I would probably go down the same route as you. I will downsize to 55-60 inch and just get something that is good enough to replace my old 40" CCFL LCD and get an OLED 5 years later.
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LC60LE650M looks acceptable on paper for a basic TV, for its asking price -- read someone got it for ~RM2.7k on offer.

LC55LE460X is RM200 shy of the UA55J5500, but not sufficient info available. Really makes one wonder if the Sharp TVs are any good.
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Really makes one wonder if the Sharp TVs are any good.
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sharp has been going thru a lot of changes, not making much profit, like many japanese electronic/electrical cos. due to strong yen which has been appr against even the usd becos of china's rmb continuous devaluation.

they tend to spend more money on the technology r&d, incl the 8k tv just launched.

samsung and lg spend a lot of money on advertising and pr.

sony, panasonic, philips... in the middle.



i have bought 4 sharps in the last 7 years.

none has failed.

newest one is the lc50ue630x, a 4k uhdtv - very satisfied with it.

sharp has a good loyal customer base.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 11 2016, 12:39 PM)
Take the reviews with a pinch of salt, I find the best way is to download some samples of 720p, 1080p and 4k. Go to Harvey Norman, ask them test all the TVs in your shortlist. And let u play with the settings.

I bought from HLK USJ 10/1A. Sharp doesn't have much reviews so you need to do self review.

Yes at RM5080 it's already a good discount. Retail was RM7k+ and other places like Harvey can only offer RM5990.

The advantage of getting a well stocked brand is ease of repairs should the time come vs limited stock or run out stock where you have less chances of getting parts.

Have a look at Toshiba l9450 also if you can accept the artifacts it is also quite decent. It should be similar to 9300 series where you can find reviews online but 9300 doesn't have good reviews .
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I usually trust the reviewers who know what they are talking about compared to salesmen who are trying to sell you something. They also always give you some additional information to look out for when we demo a tv. But of course when buying a tv the most important thing is for it to look good to your own eyes.

The Toshiba seems to be a risky proposition since there seems to be many quality issues overseas, so I will avoid that. Sharp seems to be a reliable brand and your comments on repairs is a valid one and should not be overlooked.

I haven't tested my own files yet, I will go and do that. I will be looking at the Sharp UE630X, Panasonic CX700K and Samsung JU6600. Hopefully something clicks.


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FYI sharp will be no longer in tv industry after this the company has sold to hisence
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 11 2016, 06:55 PM)
I usually trust the reviewers who know what they are talking about compared to salesmen who are trying to sell you something. They also always give you some additional information to look out for when we demo a tv. But of course when buying a tv the most important thing is for it to look good to your own eyes.

The Toshiba seems to be a risky proposition since there seems to be many quality issues overseas, so I will avoid that. Sharp seems to be a reliable brand and your comments on repairs is a valid one and should not be overlooked.

I haven't tested my own files yet, I will go and do that. I will be looking at the Sharp UE630X, Panasonic CX700K and Samsung JU6600. Hopefully something clicks.
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Good luck, hope you hear from your feedback after you've chosen. I need to inform you an observation also. Each outlet there are salesmen representing their own brands ie. Philips, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba etc, but they are not wearing their company uniform. They wear their the shop's uniform but being stationed there to help promote their TVs and other items.

So beware if you might be actually talking to TV representative instead of the shop's salesman. Of course, they will recommend their own brand compared to the rest. This is a very sneaky tactic and also not noticeable.


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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 12 2016, 01:43 PM)
Good luck, hope you hear from your feedback after you've chosen. I need to inform you an observation also. Each outlet there are salesmen representing their own brands ie. Philips, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba etc, but they are not wearing their company uniform. They wear their the shop's uniform but being stationed there to help promote their TVs and other items.

So beware if you might be actually talking to TV representative instead of the shop's salesman. Of course, they will recommend their own brand compared to the rest. This is a very sneaky tactic and also not noticeable.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 12 2016, 01:43 PM)
Good luck, hope you hear from your feedback after you've chosen. I need to inform you an observation also. Each outlet there are salesmen representing their own brands ie. Philips, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba etc, but they are not wearing their company uniform. They wear their the shop's uniform but being stationed there to help promote their TVs and other items.

So beware if you might be actually talking to TV representative instead of the shop's salesman. Of course, they will recommend their own brand compared to the rest. This is a very sneaky tactic and also not noticeable.
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Thanks. I have always had my suspicion about this but since they are wearing the shop uniform I thought it's maybe just that they get higher commission for certain brands. But now that you mentioned it, based on the additional information that they have about certain brands, it makes sense that they are actually salesman for those brands.


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Pls get your facts right. Sharp sold its tv plant in mexico and rights to use sharp branding for tvs in the US to Hisense. They are still operating in the rest of the world.
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Please view this video coverage of CES2016 by HomeTheaterGeek. D first interview is with Hisense rep. They will market Hisense and Sharp competitively in the Continental US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDQZ1H1l8Aw

Sharp will be present in the rest of the world.

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I believe you were also looking at sony x8500, are you still looking or have you bought something already.

I like the sony very much but the cheapest I found for 65" is rm9,500 which is way above my budget. Sony controls the price and there are not many retailers selling their tvs. Have to give up on it already.


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Yes not worth buying close to rm10k, within 1-2 years OLED should be that price
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 13 2016, 06:46 PM)
Yes not worth buying close to rm10k, within  1-2 years OLED should be that price
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For LCD panels, not really worth it.

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I believe you were also looking at sony x8500, are you still looking or have you bought something already.

I like the sony very much but the cheapest I found for 65" is rm9,500 which is way above my budget. Sony controls the price and there are not many retailers selling their tvs. Have to give up on it already.
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Looking forward for Danny review on his UE630X, I was eyeing for that as well but somehow the 65" seems to have better black compare to 58". I am not sure if it uses different panel. The price gap between 58 and 65 is ~3k.
For FHD, the 60LE90x Quattron is better in term of color and for ASTRO viewing, currently <5k.

When compare among Sharp 65UE630X Sony 65X8500 Toshiba 65L9450 Panasonic 65AX800 and 60CX700, Sharp is the best to my eyes, Sony next followed by Panasonic and last goes to Toshiba.

Happy shopping for those look for new TV....

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Still waiting for the TV to arrive.. HLK order from Sharp then Sharp send to HLK then only to my place .. ETA this coming Wednesday, longer than I expected. Hope it will perform well!
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QUOTE(bond @ Jan 14 2016, 11:15 PM)
Looking forward for Danny review on his UE630X, I was eyeing for that as well but somehow the 65" seems to have better black compare to 58". I am not sure if it uses different panel. The price gap between 58 and 65 is ~3k.
For FHD, the 60LE90x Quattron is better in term of color and for ASTRO viewing, currently <5k.

When compare among Sharp 65UE630X Sony 65X8500 Toshiba 65L9450 Panasonic 65AX800 and 60CX700, Sharp is the best to my eyes, Sony next followed by Panasonic and last goes to Toshiba.

Happy shopping for those look for new TV....
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To me the Samsung SUHDs look the best for LCD. Saw a JS7200 the other day and it looks as good as the JS8000 just beside it to my untrained eyes (both were playing the same demo video). The Sonys comes a close second.
Panasonic looked very good the last time I saw it but recently saw again and there seemed to be a lot of judder on all their 4K models. I think this is probably due to the source or the splitter coz the same demo looked different a week ago.

I am not too impressed with the Sharp to be honest. I do feel that the picture is more natural and easy on the eyes compared to the rest but it doesn't have the WOW factor. Also, I don't like the boomerang stand. I think I am being petty, but I find it difficult to put this issue aside coz I will not be wall-mounting the tv.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 15 2016, 01:26 PM)
Still waiting for the TV to arrive.. HLK order from Sharp then Sharp send to HLK then only to my place .. ETA this coming Wednesday, longer than I expected. Hope it will perform well!
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 15 2016, 04:02 PM)
To me the Samsung SUHDs look the best for LCD. Saw a JS7200 the other day and it looks as good as the JS8000 just beside it to my untrained eyes (both were playing the same demo video). The Sonys comes a close second.
Panasonic looked very good the last time I saw it but recently saw again and there seemed to be a lot of judder on all their 4K models. I think this is probably due to the source or the splitter coz the same demo looked different a week ago.

I am not too impressed with the Sharp to be honest. I do feel that the picture is more natural and easy on the eyes compared to the rest but it doesn't have the WOW factor. Also, I don't like the boomerang stand. I think I am being petty, but I find it difficult to put this issue aside coz I will not be wall-mounting the tv.
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That is the main strength of the Korean players, poppy colours with high contrast, very eye-catching in storefront but once you get it back home, it looks oddly unnatural. Sony for this round their androidTV range is good, however somehow the colour is a bit too dull compared to the others.

As for Sharp's androidTV range, they have nice colours and contrast, and I especially like the streaming playback via Youtube and Netflix, virtually noiseless with 720p and above sources. PQ is very subjective, like they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Go and have a look and get the one within your budget and preference, you can go wrong with that! smile.gif
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That is the main strength of the Korean players, poppy colours with high contrast, very eye-catching in storefront but once you get it back home, it looks oddly unnatural. Sony for this round their androidTV range is good, however somehow the colour is a bit too dull compared to the others.

As for Sharp's androidTV range, they have nice colours and contrast, and I especially like the streaming playback via Youtube and Netflix, virtually noiseless with 720p and above sources. PQ is very subjective, like they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Go and have a look and get the one within your budget and preference, you can go wrong with that! smile.gif
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agreed with you,sharp has more natural color than others especially top model..
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Dear all,
My Samsung TV just spoilt.

Looking for a replacement and was thinking to get the Sony Android TV.
Considering the 55 inch X8000C and the Sharp 58 inch UE630X.

Any comments on this 2 and which would be value for money.
This in advance.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 15 2016, 04:02 PM)
To me the Samsung SUHDs look the best for LCD. Saw a JS7200 the other day and it looks as good as the JS8000 just beside it to my untrained eyes (both were playing the same demo video). The Sonys comes a close second.
Panasonic looked very good the last time I saw it but recently saw again and there seemed to be a lot of judder on all their 4K models. I think this is probably due to the source or the splitter coz the same demo looked different a week ago.

I am not too impressed with the Sharp to be honest. I do feel that the picture is more natural and easy on the eyes compared to the rest but it doesn't have the WOW factor. Also, I don't like the boomerang stand. I think I am being petty, but I find it difficult to put this issue aside coz I will not be wall-mounting the tv.
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Never trust demo videos, as they are specially designed for the TV and do not represent actual footage you watch. Better bring your own files and play the same file over a few tvs you have chosen. Then the results will be very different.

I like the Samsung JS 8000/9000 series but the price is too close to Oled so I didn't consider them.

If not mistaken close to rm7k for 55" and rm15-20k for 65", while 55" 7000 series have very poor contrast due to IPS panel - see http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js7000.

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QUOTE(bond @ Jan 14 2016, 11:15 PM)
Looking forward for Danny review on his UE630X, I was eyeing for that as well but somehow the 65" seems to have better black compare to 58". I am not sure if it uses different panel. The price gap between 58 and 65 is ~3k.
For FHD, the 60LE90x Quattron is better in term of color and for ASTRO viewing, currently <5k.

When compare among Sharp 65UE630X Sony 65X8500 Toshiba 65L9450 Panasonic 65AX800 and 60CX700, Sharp is the best to my eyes, Sony next followed by Panasonic and last goes to Toshiba.

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The LE90x can't produce blacks. Looked grey to me.
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Ya... may be lose out a bit on black but skin tone is good especially watching astro. Pros and cons here and there... smile.gif
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The LE90x can't produce blacks. Looked grey to me.
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Yea I think the panel is too bright more suited to places with lots of lights.

The price is pretty close to the 630x but bigger by 2", I went for the 630 as I couldn't accept the black levels of the 90x.
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Just a brief update, booked my Sharp UE630X yesterday at Taipan USJ.

One of the shop had a canopy promoting Sharp TV's and I saw the unit.
Happy with the PQ after they play back some of my sample video and all the features, so just grab it.
Didn't bother with the Sony anymore bcos it is more expensive.

Unit arriving on Monday evening rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jan 17 2016, 09:09 AM)
Just a brief update, booked my Sharp UE630X yesterday at Taipan USJ.

One of the shop had a canopy promoting Sharp TV's and I saw the unit.
Happy with the PQ after they play back some of my sample video and all the features, so just grab it.
Didn't bother with the Sony anymore bcos it is more expensive.

Unit arriving on Monday evening  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Congratulations, which size did u get and was it a good price?

There's one shop there offering 5 years warranty at the time, asking for rm5.3k for 58". Should have gotten from there as they had the stock to deliver next day, but only found out after I bought mine.

If you find out any good calibration settings pls share too!

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 15 2016, 10:31 PM)
Never trust demo videos, as they are specially designed for the TV and do not represent actual footage you watch. Better bring your own files and play the same file over a few tvs you have chosen. Then the results will be very different.

I like the Samsung JS 8000/9000 series but the price is too close to Oled so I didn't consider them.

If not mistaken close to rm7k for 55" and rm15-20k for 65", while 55" 7000 series have very poor contrast due to IPS panel - see http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js7000.
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The JS7200 in Malaysia is a different model from the JS7000 in the US. The panel native refresh rate for Msia model is 100hz, equivalent to the US 120hz. The US model is 60hz. Only North American use 60/120, the rest of the world use 50/100.
The US version also comes with old smart function, not Tizen. Difficult to find info about the Msian model, but its definitely not the same as the US model.

I tested some of my own videos and they look great, both 1080p and 4k videos downloaded from YouTube. The difference is obvious compared to JU6400. Tried to test the UE630x but the shop people couldn't get it to detect my hdd. This happened in 2 shops, hoe huat and one living. They complained about the remote and thar the tv is still in demo mode. Don't know what happened here.

@DannyOP Need your feedback on your experience when testing this tv coz maybe the salesmen were purposely trying to make the sharp look bad to sell me the samsung.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 17 2016, 10:30 AM)
Congratulations, which size did u get and was it a good price?

There's one shop there offering 5 years warranty at the time, asking for rm5.3k for 58". Should have gotten from there as they had the stock to deliver next day, but only found out after I bought mine.

If you find out any good calibration settings pls share too!
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Yup, I bought from that shop for rm5.3k for 58".
The addition 3 years warranty makes it more worth then the other shop selling at Rm5k.
Another guy was there and was also looking at the same deal.
In the end both of us grab this as we feel paying rm300 plus for additional 3 years of warranty is worth it. So got a 2 + 3 years warranty. Total 5 years warranty.
Somemore the warranty is direct from the Manufacture.

Also bought a gas stove to replace a faulty one at home. So got maximum discount on that. smile.gif

Will share later the week once I get it on Monday.

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Congrats on your new tv, usually the extended warranty is by thrid party insurance company... parhaps u want to double check the term and condition. Btw, do u get the freebies from sharp?

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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jan 17 2016, 12:24 PM)
Yup, I bought from that shop for rm5.3k for 58".
The addition 3 years warranty makes it more worth then the other shop selling at Rm5k.
Another guy was there and was also looking at the same deal.
In the end both of us grab this as we feel paying rm300 plus for additional 3 years of warranty is worth it. So got a 2 + 3 years warranty. Total 5 years warranty.
Somemore the warranty is direct from the Manufacture.

Also bought a gas stove to replace a faulty one at home. So got maximum discount on that. smile.gif

Will share later the week once I get it on Monday.

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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jan 17 2016, 12:24 PM)
Yup, I bought from that shop for rm5.3k for 58".
The addition 3 years warranty makes it more worth then the other shop selling at Rm5k.
Another guy was there and was also looking at the same deal.
In the end both of us grab this as we feel paying rm300 plus for additional 3 years of warranty is worth it. So got a 2 + 3 years warranty. Total 5 years warranty.
Somemore the warranty is direct from the Manufacture.

Also bought a gas stove to replace a faulty one at home. So got maximum discount on that. smile.gif

Will share later the week once I get it on Monday.

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Congrats on your new tv! Many forummers seem to like this model. What was the factors that made you choose this instead of the others?
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 17 2016, 10:51 AM)
The JS7200 in Malaysia is a different model from the JS7000 in the US. The panel native refresh rate for Msia model is 100hz, equivalent to the US 120hz. The US model is 60hz. Only North American use 60/120, the rest of the world use 50/100.
The US version also comes with old smart function, not Tizen. Difficult to find info about the Msian model, but its definitely not the same as the US model.

I tested some of my own  videos and they look great, both 1080p and 4k videos downloaded from YouTube. The difference is obvious compared to JU6400. Tried to test the UE630x but the shop people couldn't get it to detect my hdd. This happened in 2 shops, hoe huat and one living. They complained about the remote and thar the tv is still in demo mode. Don't know what happened here.

@DannyOP Need your feedback on your experience when testing this tv coz maybe the salesmen were purposely trying to make the sharp look bad to sell me the samsung.
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Ic then it should perform well, only thing that prohibit will be the price, so close to OLED.

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 17 2016, 03:30 PM)
Congrats on your new tv! Many forummers seem to like this model. What was the factors that made you choose this instead of the others?
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The main factor was my TV at home is out of order cry.gif cry.gif
It's already been more than a week.
Parent and kids are pressuring me to get a new one sweat.gif sweat.gif

So i told the sales guy I buy what's available in stock.... whistling.gif whistling.gif

Not really an audio/visual guy, just wanted something with good PQ and preferably with 4K to future proof it.
Was looking at Sony when a friend to me to consider Sharp.
Then saw Sharp had a canopy promoting their UE630 and was very happy with the PQ. drool.gif
Took some of my BRay CD for them to play back and it was really nice.

guess Sharp was at the right place and right time to attract me.
Thinking of getting the 50" but since my existing one is already 50" decided to for the 58".
Moreover, 50" don't have the extra 3 years warranty.

The warranty cert i got clearly states 2+3 years for my model.
So i guess it covers exactly what the initial 2 years cover is for the extra 3 years.
Anyway, i hope i never need to use it but if it comes, i'll know if this is worth it or not.

So 5 years warranty, acceptable PQ, available stock, only slightly over budget (was thinking to spend rm4.5k oni) and from a reputable Japanese brand, i was told the panels comes direct from Japan, fully features pack, i guess it should be good enough for me...

now, maybe have to upgrade my unifi bandwidth and sign up for Netflix..... whistling.gif whistling.gif



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Ic then it should perform well, only thing that prohibit will be the price, so close to OLED.
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Managed to find the 55" for rm5500 which is why I am considering it. The 60" is rm6900, seems like too much for an extra 5". Only thing I am worried about is samsung's panel lottery. The LG EC930T is rm7.6k, so this is still much cheaper.

The JU6400 also looks reasonably nice, but not much discount for it.
Anyway, to be honest once the tv is in the house, I think it won't make a difference as its all an upgrade over my old ccfl lcd.


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Managed to find the 55" for rm5500 which is why I am considering it. The 60" is rm6900, seems like too much for an extra 5". Only thing I am worried about is samsung's panel lottery. The LG EC930T is rm7.6k, so this is still much cheaper.

The JU6400 also looks reasonably nice, but not much discount for it.
Anyway, to be honest once the tv is in the house, I think it won't make a difference as its all an upgrade over my old ccfl lcd.
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6.9k still reasonable. On paper 55-60 is 5in but actual screen size is a lot bigger. If you can afford the 60 do go for it. Even 58in to 60 there is a difference but more marginal.

Btw today is Harvey Norman warehouse sale at Citta Mall last day. They got a 8000 series Samsung Plasma 64in going for rm6k. Maybe worthwhile for those who want good picture quality.

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6.9k still reasonable. On paper 55-60 is 5in but actual screen size is a lot bigger. If you can afford the 60 do go for it. Even 58in to 60 there is a difference but more marginal.

Btw today is Harvey Norman warehouse sale at Citta Mall last day. They got a 8000 series Samsung Plasma 64in going for rm6k. Maybe worthwhile for those who want good picture quality.
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Still thinking about it. Right now with hdr coming this year don't want to spend too much yet. Maybe will upgrade again in 3 years if there is a big difference in picture quality.

That's a nice price for an 8 series plasma and very good size as well. I am not into plasma due to the reflective screen not suitable for living room.
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Still thinking about it. Right now with hdr coming this year don't want to spend too much yet. Maybe will upgrade again in 3 years if there is a big difference in picture quality.

That's a nice price for an 8 series plasma and very good size as well. I am not into plasma due to the reflective screen not suitable for living room.
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Hdr will bring led tv closer to Oled, but new tech won't come cheap, it took 2 years for a rm30k 55in oled to drop to 7k+ and we still think it's expensive for 55in.

Hopefully in a few years 4k projectors will be more affordable too, it will be nice having a 120in 4k screen for movies.
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Hdr will bring led tv closer to Oled, but new tech won't come cheap, it took 2 years for a rm30k 55in oled to drop to 7k+ and we still think it's expensive for 55in.

Hopefully in a few years 4k projectors will be more affordable too, it will be nice having a 120in 4k screen for movies.
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The new JVC x5000 is quite reasonable price
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The new JVC x5000 is quite reasonable price
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Read the review already, http://www.trustedreviews.com/jvc-dla-x5000b-w-review

It still uses 1080p panel and priced above rm20k.

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Read the review already, http://www.trustedreviews.com/jvc-dla-x5000b-w-review

It still uses 1080p panel and priced above rm20k.
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Is not native 4K but is almost the same
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Hdr will bring led tv closer to Oled, but new tech won't come cheap, it took 2 years for a rm30k 55in oled to drop to 7k+ and we still think it's expensive for 55in.

Hopefully in a few years 4k projectors will be more affordable too, it will be nice having a 120in 4k screen for movies.
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Yup, Oled is still expensive and HDR will be too for a few years to come. That's why I feel there is no point in waiting unless can wait for a few years tongue.gif . Might as well grab something reasonably good and see how the TV tech evolves over the next few years. Sort of an interim TV for now.

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Got my TV last night around 9.00pm.
Delay by the rain.

Had trouble also with the wall mounting bracket screws.
They are too big and won't fit the sharp tv screw holes.
Had to setup the TV on the tv cabinet and it barely fit.
Will need to look for screws...sigh

So far very happy with the PQ using Hypptv from unifi.
PQ on Dreamworks HD channel is great and the kids love it.

Haven't play with any setting yet.
Just setup the google account and the process was smooth.
The remote with touch pad is nice to use and quite responsive.



Overall rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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Got my TV last night around 9.00pm.
Delay by the rain.

Had trouble also with the wall mounting bracket screws.
They are too big and won't fit the sharp tv screw holes.
Had to setup the TV on the tv cabinet and it barely fit.
Will need to look for screws...sigh

So far very happy with the PQ using Hypptv from unifi.
PQ on Dreamworks HD channel is great and the kids love it.

Haven't play with any setting yet.
Just setup the google account and the process was smooth.
The remote with touch pad is nice to use and quite responsive.
Overall  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Nice to know, looking forward to receiving mine tomorrow rclxm9.gif

Hopefully can fit the wall mount.

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The JS7200 in Malaysia is a different model from the JS7000 in the US. The panel native refresh rate for Msia model is 100hz, equivalent to the US 120hz. The US model is 60hz. Only North American use 60/120, the rest of the world use 50/100.
The US version also comes with old smart function, not Tizen. Difficult to find info about the Msian model, but its definitely not the same as the US model.

I tested some of my own  videos and they look great, both 1080p and 4k videos downloaded from YouTube. The difference is obvious compared to JU6400. Tried to test the UE630x but the shop people couldn't get it to detect my hdd. This happened in 2 shops, hoe huat and one living. They complained about the remote and thar the tv is still in demo mode. Don't know what happened here.

@DannyOP Need your feedback on your experience when testing this tv coz maybe the salesmen were purposely trying to make the sharp look bad to sell me the samsung.
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hmm....I bought the JS7200 yesterday. Tried googling for info, but could only find JS7000, which now I understand is the USA model vs the Asian model. But comparing a 1080p movie on the JS7200 and other models, I could see the picture was much nicer, brighter and colour was richer. This was on factory default.

But the funny thing is that the sales guy said its quad core, but 400hz? Where as the higher end SUHD models was 800hz? or was it 200hz and 400hz? But runs on Tizen.

I will need to go back and try some 4k content to see what the differences are on 4k, other than the demo 4k stuff. It was either this or the Sony X850c. LG 8 series didn't look as nice.

Anyone tried using a JS7200 for gaming? cant find any info on the input lag.

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hmm....I bought the JS7200 yesterday. Tried googling for info, but could only find JS7000, which now I understand is the USA model vs the Asian model. But comparing a 1080p movie on the JS7200 and other models, I could see the picture was much nicer, brighter and colour was richer. This was on factory default.

But the funny thing is that the sales guy said its quad core, but 400hz? Where as the higher end SUHD models was 800hz? or was it 200hz and 400hz? But runs on Tizen.

I will need to go back and try some 4k content to see what the differences are on 4k, other than the demo 4k stuff. It was either this or the Sony X850c.  LG 8 series didn't look as nice.

Anyone tried using a JS7200 for gaming? cant find any info on the input lag.
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hmm....I bought the JS7200 yesterday. Tried googling for info, but could only find JS7000, which now I understand is the USA model vs the Asian model. But comparing a 1080p movie on the JS7200 and other models, I could see the picture was much nicer, brighter and colour was richer. This was on factory default.

But the funny thing is that the sales guy said its quad core, but 400hz? Where as the higher end SUHD models was 800hz? or was it 200hz and 400hz? But runs on Tizen.

I will need to go back and try some 4k content to see what the differences are on 4k, other than the demo 4k stuff. It was either this or the Sony X850c.  LG 8 series didn't look as nice.

Anyone tried using a JS7200 for gaming? cant find any info on the input lag.
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This is the same experience I had. The picture quality is just awesome compared to other tvs in the same price range. This tv is 100hz with clear motion rate 200. I suspect it is an IPS panel, but the picture really pops.

What was the best price you got for the sony and which size.
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thanks. its a 55" and I got it for 5.8k. Yea, the pictures really pops out. Problem was that I tested this TV first, so the rest couldn't really compare,even the Sony. LG OLED's were a different story of course.

But funnily, the salesman showed me an invoice during the recent sale. They sold an OLED for close to 8k. I saw it on display at 10k. He said all models have a discount, varies of course.

The Sony was more expensive than the Samsung, it was 6k. 55" also.
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thanks. its a 55" and I got it for 5.8k. Yea, the pictures really pops out. Problem was that I tested this TV first, so the rest couldn't really compare,even the Sony. LG OLED's were a different story of course.

But funnily, the salesman showed me an invoice during the recent sale. They sold an OLED for close to 8k. I saw it on display at 10k. He said all models have a discount, varies of course.

The Sony was more expensive than the Samsung, it was 6k. 55" also.
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Congrats! That's a reasonable price. Pls share your views after using it.
The oled 55" has been that price for a while. The sony doesn't pop but it has excellent black levels and contrast albeit pricier.
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Nice to know, looking forward to receiving mine tomorrow  rclxm9.gif

Hopefully can fit the wall mount.
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Hi,
Your tv arrived?
Can post some settings.

I haven't had the time to play with my setting.
Will try during the coming long weekend.
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Hi,
Your tv arrived?
Can post some settings.

I haven't had the time to play with my setting.
Will try during the coming long weekend.
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Postponed until today 3pm.. hope everything turns out ok.
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Congrats! That's a reasonable price. Pls share your views after using it.
The oled 55" has been that price for a while. The sony doesn't pop but it has excellent black levels and contrast albeit pricier.
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Will do, after running it in. At the showroom, I guess I couldn't really see the black levels of the sony. Probably would be more visible in a dark room.


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Finally got the 58" Sharp UE630X, replacing the 40" Sony Bravia it's a noticeable size improvement as well as PQ improvement.

I'm not sure if I got the Audio to work properly but I used Optical Out to my Anthem Mrx500 Receiver and so far managed to get my external speakers working. Is this the only way?

Did a check and found out there is a firmware update. I noticed there is Netflix preinstalled after the update.

Didn't have much time to play around with it yet but I did try out some 4k movies from Netflix and it plays well on a Maxis 10Mps .. Not sure if it is running 4k fully but looks very sharp. Also tried Google cast and works just like Chromecast. Will post more feedback when I have more chance to test it.

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Congrats Danny... What is the time requires to boot up the TV?
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Finally got the 58"  Sharp UE630X, replacing the 40" Sony Bravia it's a noticeable size improvement as well as PQ improvement.

I'm not sure if I got the Audio to work properly but I used Optical Out to my Anthem Mrx500 Receiver and so far managed to get my external speakers working. Is this the only way?

Did a check and found out there is a firmware update. I noticed there is Netflix preinstalled after the update.

Didn't have much time to play around with it yet but I did try out some 4k movies from Netflix and it plays well on a Maxis 10Mps .. Not sure if it is running 4k fully but looks very sharp. Also tried Google cast and works just like Chromecast. Will post more feedback when I have more chance to test it.
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If your Anthem has HDMI ARC (audio return channel), then you can plug that in to your TVs ARC HDMI port.
Otherwise, optical will have to do.

Great that Netflix app is available and working well thumbup.gif
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Congrats Danny... What is the time requires to boot up the TV?
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If your Anthem has HDMI ARC (audio return channel), then you can plug that in to your TVs ARC HDMI port.
Otherwise, optical will have to do.

Great that Netflix app is available and working well  thumbup.gif
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Thanks will check it out. I bought the optical cable just in case, currently using the optical.
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Thanks will check it out. I bought the optical cable just in case, currently using the optical.
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Just an additional note. If you have any source which is able to output HD audio or Dolby Atmos, it will not work through optical (if the source is plugged-in to your TV). You will need the HDMI cable plugged into your receiver for that. But for audio from TV to AVR, the max is only 5.1, so it is not an issue to use an optical cable.
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Just an additional note. If you have any source which is able to output HD audio or Dolby Atmos, it will not work through optical (if the source is plugged-in to your TV). You will need the HDMI cable plugged into your receiver for that. But for audio from TV to AVR, the max is only 5.1, so it is not an issue to use an optical cable.
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Understand, will try to see if the Anthem supports ARC, that will be better. I guess for streaming purpose, I don't expect any HD audio, but I wanna see how capable is the Sharp's Android TV first, if not mistaken it comes with 16GB and I also managed to install Kodi.
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Finally manage to wall mount my UE630X after calling Sharp factory in Shah Alam.
Very nice service from their customers support and they even gave me the 4 screws required.

Managed to spend some time with the TV and notice for some bright scene, there is this foggy effect. It's like there is a fog on the picture. Not sure how to explain.
It is very very minor and is only slightly visible on certain bright scene.
Try playing with the settings for gamma and it improved abit. Will need to try more settings.

Otherwise everything is superb.

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Finally manage to wall mount my UE630X after calling Sharp factory in Shah Alam.
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hello sharp ue630x series member.

try netflix in 4k uhd on your tv!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3828808/+200

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hello sharp ue630x series member.

try netflix in 4k uhd on your tv!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3828808/+200
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i don't have netflix account and my unifi is only 5mbps... not sure if it's worth it
I know it is dame nice to watch in 4k but is there enough contents on netflix to justify the subscription and unifi upgrade?

Any comments?
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i don't have netflix account and my unifi is only 5mbps... not sure if it's worth it
I know it is dame nice to watch in 4k but is there enough contents on netflix to justify the subscription and unifi upgrade?

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You get to try free for 1 month why don't you decide after that?
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i don't have netflix account and my unifi is only 5mbps... not sure if it's worth it
I know it is dame nice to watch in 4k but is there enough contents on netflix to justify the subscription and unifi upgrade?

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i posted my findings in the Netflix thread.

at this time, there are almost no movies in 4k.

quite a fair bit for tv series and documentaries.

almost all content are in at least HD, assuming the choice was standard or UHD (and not basic).

the tv has good upscaling capability, so even HD comes out excellent.

it is almost as good as full 1080p files usb playback.


what u can do is try the netflix std/hd option. it's free for 1 month trial.

see if it comes out good. i think 5mbps can do it if there are no others using it.

if it works good, and netflix content improves incl 4k, then u can consider upgrading yr broadband speed, subscribe netflix.



i was skeptical at first but now, having watched hd/4k, i am considering...
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You get to try free for 1 month why don't you decide after that?
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Noted.
Just found out u need to subscribe for the top package in order to enjoy UHD.
I'll hold first for now until I'm abit more comfortable with the monthly commitment.
Just spend on the TV, need a bit time to recover otherwise the bleeding won't stop.

Any comments on the TV setting?

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Ok, since everyone is asking me to use the free trial, will give it a go.
Hope I don't get addicted...

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Ok, since everyone is asking me to use the free trial, will give it a go.
Hope I don't get addicted...
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of course you will be...! biggrin.gif

my own experience... having moved on to mostly 1080p/bdmv/bluray, 4k tv and now netflix hd/uhd, i don't watch sd anymore.

the lowest i will watch is 720p/1080i. tongue.gif

well, that's why all the $ spent on the equipment and internet speed.



lastly, if u dun already know, only netflix certified tv's and devices will get hd/uhd. non certified ones will get just sd, 480p.
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Best place to view is Desa Home Kepong because they have all the tvs on display at once, and they play Astro HD so very easy to compare.  If it can play low quality Astro well it should play 1080p and 4k content much better.

Picture quality wise 4) Toshiba beats 3) Sony. It has better blacks only 2nd to Oled. 

Btw 55in oled price also dropped to rm6k+.

I believe all these tvs will look better once calibrated, but one thing can't be controlled is the black level, so I shortlisted all these for good black levels to my eyes. Only Sharp 950x is a bit off maybe because they use extra bright panels.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 11 2016, 06:39 PM)
sharp has been going thru a lot of changes, not making much profit, like many japanese electronic/electrical cos. due to strong yen which has been appr against even the usd becos of china's rmb continuous devaluation.

they tend to spend more money on the technology r&d, incl the 8k tv just launched.

samsung and lg spend a lot of money on advertising and pr.

sony, panasonic, philips... in the middle.
i have bought 4 sharps in the last 7 years.

none has failed.

newest one is the lc50ue630x, a 4k uhdtv - very satisfied with it.

sharp has a good loyal customer base.
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my sony failed me in the 3rd year . My panasonic failed me in the 2nd year. SIGH doh.gif
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durability and reliability is very impt - saves a lot of time and money over the years.

like all electrical appliances and electronic gadgets, one tends to develop some prejudice over brands.

can become a very personal set of choices, at least for me.

over the last decade, for progressive buying, i come to stick to these brands very firmly:

tv - sharp
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durability and reliability is very impt - saves a lot of time and money over the years.

like all electrical appliances and electronic gadgets, one tends to develop some prejudice over brands.

can become a very personal set of choices, at least for me.

over the last decade, for progressive buying, i come to stick to these brands very firmly:

tv - sharp
air cond - mitsubishi
pc/notebook - dell
routers, networking equipment - asus
android boxes - himedia

other things like handphones, tablets... still trying a variety, no bias... biggrin.gif
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thanks for the info . My favourite tv brand was sony . But , now dunno what brand to choose already. rclxub.gif
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thanks for the info . My favourite tv brand was sony . But , now dunno what brand to choose already.  rclxub.gif
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i had 3 sony's before i switched to sharp.

the old sony's esp the CRT's were excellent, can last >15 years! biggrin.gif

lcd/led, i really don't know...
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i had 3 sony's before i switched to sharp.

the old sony's esp the CRT's were excellent, can last >15 years! biggrin.gif

lcd/led, i really don't know...
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I gt 20 yrs ++ sony crt at my home now.now still working well. Lol
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I think all brands have their issues, but we will avoid those which we had a bad experience with even if the brand has improved over the years to become the best.
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toshiba win in terms of pic quality over sony ?  doh.gif
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Yes of course, comparing full array led flagship 4k model from Toshiba vs entry level 1080p Sony. It's no comparison.
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It's not fair to compare apple and orange lol . Why you compare 1080p with 4k ?  hmm.gif
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Same price bracket.

IF Proton Preve and Mazda 3 same price, why cannot compare? Although one is rubbish and the other a globally acclaimed car.
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Same price bracket.

IF Proton Preve and Mazda 3 same price, why cannot compare? Although one is rubbish and the other a globally acclaimed car.
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Same inch at same price?
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Yes. 50" Sony W800C and 50" Toshiba L9450 in the same price bracket. Clearly it won't be at the exact same price. I ordered my L9450 for RM2,9xx. The 50" W800C is around RM3,099 at most places. The Toshiba is at RM3,399 at most places. They are both in the RM3000 to RM3500 price bracket.

What kind of stupidity to compare things at the exact same price? Hardly common.
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Yes. 50" Sony W800C and 50" Toshiba L9450 in the same price bracket. Clearly it won't be at the exact same price. I ordered my L9450 for RM2,9xx. The 50" W800C is around RM3,099 at most places. The Toshiba is at RM3,399 at most places. They are both in the RM3000 to RM3500 price bracket.

What kind of stupidity to compare things at the exact same price? Hardly common.
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Wow, toshiba tv not that expensive. For me, the most expensive is panasonic....
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All depends on models, Panasonic have the cheapest 4k TV, 55" for RM 2999.
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It's not fair to compare apple and orange lol . Why you compare 1080p with 4k ?  hmm.gif
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You need to learn to look at models within brands and what the features that they offer and not the brand alone. Your comments are very uneducatedly generic. "This brand is expensive, this brand is better than that, etc. are not helping anyone least of all yourself.

Perhaps reading the thread from the beginning will enlighten you a little bit? You also need to keep an open mind and supress your pre-conceived ideas about certain brands. What your father told you or your experience of buying a TV 10 years ago are mostly not applicable anymore. 10 years ago who would have thought that LG would have the best TV technology in the world today?
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You need to learn to look at models within brands and what the features that they offer and not the brand alone. Your comments are very uneducatedly generic. "This brand is expensive, this brand is better than that, etc. are not helping anyone least of all yourself.

Perhaps reading the thread from the beginning will enlighten you a little bit? You also need to keep an open mind and supress your pre-conceived ideas about certain brands. What your father told you or your experience of buying a TV 10 years ago are mostly not applicable anymore. 10 years ago who would have thought that LG would have the best TV technology in the world today?
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LG has the best TV technology today ? hmm.gif

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See, you just did it again  biggrin.gif
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I bought the Samsung 55" JS7200. Picture quality is very good and the colours are amazing. Some say the black levels are not good but for a living room tv it is simply great. May not be suitable for movies in a dark room.

Smart functions are great too. Netflix and youtube in 4k is very very good and instantly noticeable compared to 1080p. Managed to install plex and can play movies from my NAS, plex is awesome compared to my previous himedia 910b that I use to access my NAS.

Only problem is HBO GO and other US streaming apps are not available and I have problems with ARC. May have to make do with optical cable.
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I bought the Samsung 55" JS7200. Picture quality is very good and the colours are amazing. Some say the black levels are not good but for a living room tv it is simply great. May not be suitable for movies in a dark room.

Smart functions are great too. Netflix and youtube in 4k is very very good and instantly noticeable compared to 1080p. Managed to install plex and can play movies from my NAS, plex is awesome compared to my previous himedia 910b that I use to access my NAS.

Only problem is HBO GO and other US streaming apps are not available and I have problems with ARC. May have to make do with optical cable.
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I bought the Samsung 55" JS7200. Picture quality is very good and the colours are amazing. Some say the black levels are not good but for a living room tv it is simply great. May not be suitable for movies in a dark room.

Smart functions are great too. Netflix and youtube in 4k is very very good and instantly noticeable compared to 1080p. Managed to install plex and can play movies from my NAS, plex is awesome compared to my previous himedia 910b that I use to access my NAS.

Only problem is HBO GO and other US streaming apps are not available and I have problems with ARC. May have to make do with optical cable.
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Congratulations, most important is you like it.

I can't get ARC to work on my Anthem amp also, end up using Optical cable. Will try plex and see if its any use. Currently the built in player already can read my HDD connected to the Maxis router.
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Finally got the 58"  Sharp UE630X, replacing the 40" Sony Bravia it's a noticeable size improvement as well as PQ improvement.

I'm not sure if I got the Audio to work properly but I used Optical Out to my Anthem Mrx500 Receiver and so far managed to get my external speakers working. Is this the only way?

Did a check and found out there is a firmware update. I noticed there is Netflix preinstalled after the update.

Didn't have much time to play around with it yet but I did try out some 4k movies from Netflix and it plays well on a Maxis 10Mps .. Not sure if it is running 4k fully but looks very sharp. Also tried Google cast and works just like Chromecast. Will post more feedback when I have more chance to test it.
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I have plans to buy this TV because I like the quality and price. Do you know if it can play video from a USB Drive formatted with NTFS format or just FAT/FAT32 as in the user manual.
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sharp ue630x can take 2tb hdd, ntfs.

it can playback the common formats; can even play bdmv. the video quality output is good, not inferior to other media players.

expected, some minor disadvantages compared to full fledged android media players - the display for folders/files is poor, words too small; every time u change hdd, may need to power off/on due to slow reading or error; navigation incl subs, audio tracks a little clumsy. lastly, the usb ports are all at back of tv and not side - problematic for wall mounts and hdd's with short cables.

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Congratulations, most important is you like it.

I can't get ARC to work on my Anthem amp also, end up using Optical cable. Will try plex and see if its any use. Currently the built in player already can read my HDD connected to the Maxis router.
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Thanks! Plex is great if your video source is kept in a NAS or PC. You will need to install the app in both sides - TV and NAS/PC.

The Samsung built-in player also reads my HDD (connected to TV) but the interface is really bad. The TV also detects my NAS but is only able to show some of the files but not all. Again the interface is really bad.
Plex has a great interface and shows everything nicely in a jukebox thumbnail style. This is the first time I'm using it and it is simply fantastic. Would highly recommend it to be used as a media server.


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sharp ue630x can take 2tb hdd, ntfs.

it can playback the common formats; can even play bdmv. the video quality output is good, not inferior to other media players.

expected, some minor disadvantages compared to full fledged android media players - the display for folders/files is poor, words too small; every time u change hdd, may need to power off/on due to slow reading or error; navigation incl subs, audio tracks a little clumsy. lastly, the usb ports are all at back of tv and not side - problematic for wall mounts and hdd's with short cables.
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Can these problems be solved by using a 3rd party app from the Playstore? The advantages of Android TV should be the availability of apps to be used instead of the built-in media player. I think all the built-in media players are crap.
Maybe you should try installing Kodi and see if that works for you?

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Can these problems be solved by using a 3rd party app from the Playstore? The advantages of Android TV should be the availability of apps to be used instead of the built-in media player. I think all the built-in media players are crap.
Maybe you should try installing Kodi and see if that works for you?
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i really don't know, first time trying it on new 4k tv. biggrin.gif

been using standalone media/android players for a few years, prefer them.

i was just answering someone's question.

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i really don't know, first time trying it on new 4k tv. biggrin.gif

been using standalone media/android players for a few years, prefer them.

i was just answering someone's question.
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I have also been using stand alone media players & streamers for a while now, and am also new to smart tv. So this discovery is also new to me when I figured out I should try Plex to view the files in my NAS instead of using the built-in player.

Kodi is not available for Samsung Tizen but is available for Android, so you should give it a try. I don't think there will be much difference between an Android box vs Android TV. If anything Android TV is made for TV so it should be much better than the mobile version used in set top boxes albeit with lesser apps available.

One thing to take note though, you will never get HD audio from any TV apps. You will need a separate box for that and most android boxes don't passthrough HD audio, only selected ones do this. Since you're an AV Fan, you might already know this biggrin.gif


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One thing to take note though, you will never get HD audio from any TV apps. You will need a separate box for that and most android boxes don't passthrough HD audio, only selected ones do this. Since you're an AV Fan, you might already know this  biggrin.gif
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yup, that is why i just try it for knowledge sake.

no plans to play kodi, plex, vlc on the tv.

busy enough with the standalone androids! laugh.gif



but... i have to say i am pleased the 4k tv android served one good purpose - it can get uhd 4k netflix while my other androids cannot.
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sharp ue630x can take 2tb hdd, ntfs.

it can playback the common formats; can even play bdmv. the video quality output is good, not inferior to other media players.

expected, some minor disadvantages compared to full fledged android media players - the display for folders/files is poor, words too small; every time u change hdd, may need to power off/on due to slow reading or error; navigation incl subs, audio tracks a little clumsy. lastly, the usb ports are all at back of tv and not side - problematic for wall mounts and hdd's with short cables.
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Thank you for your detail explanation.
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but... i have to say i am pleased the 4k tv android served one good purpose - it can get uhd 4k netflix while my other androids cannot.
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Box setups like Nvidia Shield should be able to get Netflix 4K right?
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Box setups like Nvidia Shield should be able to get Netflix 4K right?
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Yes, but it is too expensive if you just want it for netflix 4k.
Roku 4k and Amazon fire tv 4k would be cheaper. Apple tv 4k version is also an alternative.
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yes, it is listed as netflix certified.

but u need a 4k tv for that, and most major brand 4k tv's are already certified.

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Yes, but it is too expensive if you just want it for netflix 4k.
Roku 4k and Amazon fire tv 4k would be cheaper. Apple tv 4k version is also an alternative.
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That's true if just looking at a 4K streamer. But the beefier specs of the Nvidia plus the included Shield remote and wireless controller, the price is about fair in my opinion. I took a look at the Roku 4K but there were reports about overheating and noisy fan.

Amazon Fire TV 4k hardware specs is a little compared with the other 2 Android boxes. Given the choice, I would choose the Roku over this.

Apple TV 4K? Not interested in going into Apple ecosystem. BTW, I thought Apple TV does not do 4k?

Anyway, I chose the Nvidia because of the following;

- Gigabit Ethernet
- USB 3.0
- High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
- DD+/DTS (pass-through), DTS-HD MA (pass-through), Dolby TrueHD (pass-through)
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yes, it is listed as netflix certified.

but u need a 4k tv for that, and most major brand 4k tv's are already certified.
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4K TVs must be HDCP 2.2 compliant too right? How is your audio setup? Connect to any AVR?
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4K TVs must be HDCP 2.2 compliant too right? How is your audio setup? Connect to any AVR?
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i have not tested the audio part.

it has been said here that if the video carries 5.1 dd, hdmi arc should do the job.
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i have not tested the audio part.

it has been said here that if the video carries 5.1 dd, hdmi arc should do the job.
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Planning on using an external Android box for streaming instead of relying on smart TV software. I have a Yamaha YSP-2500 soundbar and the specs say it can passthrough 4k. My current TV (not smart TV and does not do 4K) uses HDMI ARC. Problem is the HDMI ports on the soundbar are not HDCP 2.2. Youtube 4K should be fine but not for Netflix 4K.

I think to run Netflix 4K, I would need to connect the Android box directly to the TV and rely on using optical out from TV to the soundbar or AVR?

Currently giving the whole setup thing a deep thought but I've yet to come to the 4K TV part. sweat.gif
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That's true if just looking at a 4K streamer. But the beefier specs of the Nvidia plus the included Shield remote and wireless controller, the price is about fair in my opinion. I took a look at the Roku 4K but there were reports about overheating and noisy fan.

Amazon Fire TV 4k hardware specs is a little compared with the other 2 Android boxes. Given the choice, I would choose the Roku over this.

Apple TV 4K? Not interested in going into Apple ecosystem. BTW, I thought Apple TV does not do 4k?

Anyway, I chose the Nvidia because of the following;

- Gigabit Ethernet
- USB 3.0
- High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
- DD+/DTS (pass-through), DTS-HD MA (pass-through), Dolby TrueHD (pass-through)
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Apple TV can do 4K but it appears that it does not support streaming in 4k only via PC /Mac.

What is the price you are getting it for?

Those specs that you listed can also get from Himedia H8/Q5 III , Zidoo X6 Pro and a few other players at a cheaper price but you will not get Netflix at 4K.

Again, it depends on what you want to do with it. Like AVFAN mentioned, if you already have a 4K tv it probably supports Netflix 4K and you don't need a separate box. If your TV does not support Netflix 4K then another box will be needed but an Nvidia Shield is overkill for this purpose alone. Netflix 4K does not need USB 3.0, HD audio passthrough, 24/192 audio. So what is the purpose you need it for? If you plan to use all/most of it's capabilities such as game streaming, video streaming and local video streaming then it's probably great to have all capabilities in one box smile.gif


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Planning on using an external Android box for streaming instead of relying on smart TV software. I have a Yamaha YSP-2500 soundbar and the specs say it can passthrough 4k. My current TV (not smart TV and does not do 4K) uses HDMI ARC. Problem is the HDMI ports on the soundbar are not HDCP 2.2. Youtube 4K should be fine but not for Netflix 4K.

I think to run Netflix 4K, I would need to connect the Android box directly to the TV and rely on using optical out from TV to the soundbar or AVR?

Currently giving the whole setup thing a deep thought but I've yet to come to the 4K TV part.  sweat.gif
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jdgobio has explained it well.

1. a box that can handle 4k does not mean it can do netflix 4k - tv, boxes or sticks, it has be certified by netflix.
check the list:
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
and if yr tv is not 4k, whatever box or stick, u will NOT get 4k.


2. 4k is for video, nothing to do with audio or sound bar. u can have 4k video 2.0 audio or 1080p dtshdma 5.1 or dolby atmos 7.1.

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Apple TV can do 4K but it appears that it does not support streaming in 4k only via PC /Mac.

What is the price you are getting it for?

Those specs that you listed can also get from Himedia H8/Q5 III , Zidoo X6 Pro and a few other players at a cheaper price but you will not get Netflix at 4K.

Again, it depends on what you want to do with it. Like AVFAN mentioned, if you already have a 4K tv it probably supports Netflix 4K and you don't need a separate box. If your TV does not support Netflix 4K then another box will be needed but an Nvidia Shield is overkill for this purpose alone. Netflix 4K does not need USB 3.0, HD audio passthrough, 24/192 audio. So what is the purpose you need it for? If you plan to use all/most of it's capabilities such as game streaming, video streaming and local video streaming then it's probably great to have all capabilities in one box  smile.gif
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Thanks for the informative reply. I'm aware of the various apps in the Smart TV. I choose the Nvidia basically to replace my ageing HTPC and also because the cheaper alternatives won't do Netflix 4K. My HTPC still runs fine but I wanted something that is as powerful (or more powerful) and yet uses less power, smaller footprint and less noisy. Oh yes, having USB 3 means it has flexibility in terms of expansion.

So the features of the Nvidia are actually important to me because I have lots of hi-res flacs and Bluray rips stored in my NAS.

I also don't game but perhaps with the Nvidia Shield, I'll get hooked. sweat.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 12:49 PM)
jdgobio has explained it well.

1. a box that can handle 4k does not mean it can do netflix 4k - tv, boxes or sticks, it has be certified by netflix.
check the list:
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
and if yr tv is not 4k, whatever box or stick, u will NOT get 4k.
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Yes, I'm fully aware. Hence I mentioned that I've yet to look for a 4K TV. It's still on my to do list. blush.gif

Yes, Netflix 4K is also the reason I narrowed the Nvidia Shield and not other boxes.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 12:49 PM)
2. 4k is for video, nothing to do with audio or sound bar. u can have 4k video 2.0 audio or 1080p dtshdma 5.1 or dolby atmos 7.1.
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At the current moment, my soundbar acts as a HDMI splitter on top of acting as a soundbar. biggrin.gif If I plug in the Nvidia Shield directly into the soundbar, everything else will work but not for Netflix 4K I believe. Perhaps I'll re-wire and connect just the soundbar to the TV and get ARC working. All other HDMI connections directly to the 4K TV. Now to find a 4K TV with loads of HDMI input...
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Yes, I'm fully aware. Hence I mentioned that I've yet to look for a 4K TV. It's still on my to do list.  blush.gif
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a box cost rm500, 800 maybe.

a 4k tv will cost up anything 3.5k to 10k.

so, very impt to find the tv u want and need! biggrin.gif

good news is a no. of people here already bought 4k tv, can help u evaluate.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 04:23 PM)
a box cost rm500, 800 maybe.

a 4k tv will cost up anything 3.5k to 10k.

so, very impt to find the tv u want and need! biggrin.gif

good news is a no. of people here already bought 4k tv, can help u evaluate.
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Yes, the most important component is the TV, the rest can wait. 90% of your funds should be for the TV, get the biggest and nicest TV your viewing distance allows, then the rest can easily add on as they do not cost much.

If your main concern is Netflix 4k, then you don't need to buy an Andriod box just for it, some of the new TVs already have Netflix built in.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 04:23 PM)
a box cost rm500, 800 maybe.

a 4k tv will cost up anything 3.5k to 10k.

so, very impt to find the tv u want and need! biggrin.gif

good news is a no. of people here already bought 4k tv, can help u evaluate.
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Yup, that's why I gravitated to this thread when I first saw it because I'm also shopping around for one.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 11:44 AM)
Yes, the most important component is the TV, the rest can wait. 90% of your funds should be for the TV, get the biggest and nicest TV your viewing distance allows, then the rest can easily add on as they do not cost much.
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I agree. But also note that the TV is the most expensive item in the whole equation. So naturally it needs to have the most consideration. Picture quality above all else and then other function priorities fall into place according to one's own need.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 11:44 AM)
If your main concern is Netflix 4k, then you don't need to buy an Andriod box just for it, some of the new TVs already have Netflix built in.
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Yes I'm aware that good smart TVs already have built in Netflix app and other apps as well. My preference for an external Android box is not and should not be interpreted as the only sensible route to getting Netflix 4K. I mentioned my need for an external Android box is so that I can retire my old HTPC.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Yup, that's why I gravitated to this thread when I first saw it because I'm also shopping around for one.
I agree. But also note that the TV is the most expensive item in the whole equation. So naturally it needs to have the most consideration. Picture quality above all else and then other function priorities fall into place according to one's own need.
Yes I'm aware that good smart TVs already have built in Netflix app and other apps as well. My preference for an external Android box is not and should not be interpreted as the only sensible route to getting Netflix 4K. I mentioned my need for an external Android box is so that I can retire my old HTPC.
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You are on the right track. Getting the Nvidia Shield box + a decent 4K TV should be okay.. After reading your posts, my main concern would be the use of optical cable from the TV to the soundbar as opposed to a HDMI cable. Need to be careful not to buy a TV that dumbs down incoming surround sound signals to a stereo PCM signal. You would be surprised how many TVs out there do that. Since most of Netflix's HD is DD 5.1, that would suck. This is related to running the Netflix app on the Smart TV itself.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Yes I'm aware that good smart TVs already have built in Netflix app and other apps as well. My preference for an external Android box is not and should not be interpreted as the only sensible route to getting Netflix 4K. I mentioned my need for an external Android box is so that I can retire my old HTPC.
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nividia shield is probably at top of the range now. most expensive too.

if u can afford it, why not?

while it may make sense to start with a low end one to learn about androids, it can be very rewarding to start with a premium one so as not to get stuck here and there with memory, features etc.

some of us who have used androids for some time will always advise to go premium, not low end! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 29 2016, 12:43 PM)
You are on the right track. Getting the Nvidia Shield box + a decent 4K TV should be okay.. After reading your posts, my main concern would be the use of optical cable from the TV to the soundbar as opposed to a HDMI cable. Need to be careful not to buy a TV that dumbs down incoming surround sound signals to a stereo PCM signal. You would be surprised how many TVs out there do that. Since most of Netflix's HD is DD 5.1, that would suck. This is related to running the Netflix app on the Smart TV itself.
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With optical cable you still can get 5.1. Only if you are using RCA then you get 2.0.

However soundbar can never get true 5.1, the sound only comes from the front speaker at the bottom of the TV.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 29 2016, 12:43 PM)
You are on the right track. Getting the Nvidia Shield box + a decent 4K TV should be okay.. After reading your posts, my main concern would be the use of optical cable from the TV to the soundbar as opposed to a HDMI cable. Need to be careful not to buy a TV that dumbs down incoming surround sound signals to a stereo PCM signal. You would be surprised how many TVs out there do that. Since most of Netflix's HD is DD 5.1, that would suck. This is related to running the Netflix app on the Smart TV itself.
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Thanks for the tip. I was initially toying with the optical cable is the last resort. But I think I can make the HDMI ARC connection between TV and soundbar work. To make Netflix 4K work with HDCP 2.2, I need to connect the Nvidia direct to the TV. I also plan for other peripherals to connect to the TV directly. The TV would have to have at lease 3 HDMI In ports.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 29 2016, 12:55 PM)
nividia shield is probably at top of the range now. most expensive too.

if u can afford it, why not?

while it may make sense to start with a low end one to learn about androids, it can be very rewarding to start with a premium one so as not to get stuck here and there with memory, features etc.

some of us who have used androids for some time will always advise to go premium, not low end! biggrin.gif
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Yeah, I have the same mind too and think that going the expensive route but buy it only once. I don't go choosing the most expensive one and work from there... No. Of course it needs to justify itself being reasonably expensive. Anyway, when comparing with other Android boxes itself, the sum itself is not much. So trying to save there is IMO a not worth it. Better to save elsewhere and skim on other things. But when comparing to a HTPC, the Nvidia is still cheap.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 01:37 PM)
With optical cable you still can get 5.1. Only if you are using RCA then you get 2.0.

However soundbar can never get true 5.1, the sound only comes from the front speaker at the bottom of the TV.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 01:37 PM)
With optical cable you still can get 5.1. Only if you are using RCA then you get 2.0.

However soundbar can never get true 5.1, the sound only comes from the front speaker at the bottom of the TV.
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You won't if the TV does not support surround audio passthrough via optical link. Most TVs will only passthrough a PCM stereo signal via optical link regardless of what is being sent through. Check your TV Manual, it'll confirm this. This is not about the universal limitations of a toslink connection... those remain.

While simulated surround is thing. There are soundbars that come with subwoofers. I.e. jchue73's Yamaha YSP-2500 with Wireless Subwoofer. For some people, that's close enough while maintaining a certain aesthetics look.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 29 2016, 03:19 PM)
You won't if the TV does not support surround audio passthrough via optical link. Most TVs will only passthrough a PCM stereo signal via optical link regardless of what is being sent through. Check your TV Manual, it'll confirm this. This is not about the universal limitations of a toslink connection... those remain.

While simulated surround is  thing. There are soundbars that come with subwoofers. I.e. jchue73's Yamaha YSP-2500 with Wireless Subwoofer. For some people, that's close enough while maintaining a certain aesthetics look.
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Noted, most probably those that don't are the older models which do not have Smart TV and Android TV and would not support built-in Netflix either, but good to check before buying.

So far I can confirm that the Sharp UE630X supports 5.1 as well as ARC.

Those who are planning to setup a home theatre it is advisable to setup your room first before anything else. Find out where you want to put your cables, speakers, amps, and if you plan ahead you can easily hide all the wires and get the best sound without going for inferior soundbar.

Another option is to find wireless adaptor for rear speakers. Normally only the cables to the rear speaker is visible. The front 3 is behind the TV cabinet.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 29 2016, 03:19 PM)
You won't if the TV does not support surround audio passthrough via optical link. Most TVs will only passthrough a PCM stereo signal via optical link regardless of what is being sent through. Check your TV Manual, it'll confirm this. This is not about the universal limitations of a toslink connection... those remain.

While simulated surround is  thing. There are soundbars that come with subwoofers. I.e. jchue73's Yamaha YSP-2500 with Wireless Subwoofer. For some people, that's close enough while maintaining a certain aesthetics look.
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True about the optical link from TVs. Apparently whether the TV will pass-through 5.1 or not depends on the brand and not the model of TVs. There was a test done on this and they showed that some brands don't pass-through 5.1 audio via optical no matter what and other brands do.

Found the link:
http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-tested-whi...to-a-sound-bar/

Article is from 2013. Not sure if things have changed since then.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 03:43 PM)
Noted, most probably those that don't are the older models which do not have Smart TV and Android TV and would not support built-in Netflix either, but good to check before buying.

So far I can confirm that the Sharp UE630X supports 5.1 as well as ARC.

Those who are planning to setup a home theatre it is advisable to setup your room first before anything else. Find out where you want to put your cables, speakers, amps, and if you plan ahead you can easily hide all the wires and get the best sound without going for inferior soundbar.

Another option is to find wireless adaptor for rear speakers. Normally only the cables to the rear speaker is visible. The front 3 is behind the TV cabinet.
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I agree... Placement of everything within the room is very important. Can be for sound, aesthetics or both. Nowadays and with the internet, one has to plan and research first before spending thousands on electronics meant for long-term usage. A moot point if one is reading this smile.gif

QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 29 2016, 03:53 PM)
True about the optical link from TVs. Apparently whether the TV will pass-through 5.1 or not depends on the brand and not the model of TVs. There was a test done on this and they showed that some brands don't pass-through 5.1 audio via optical no matter what and other brands do.

Found the link:
http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-tested-whi...to-a-sound-bar/

Article is from 2013. Not sure if things have changed since then.
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Need to confirm just in case. Can be done either in store by staff or through the manual, which can be downloaded off the manufacturer's website. For most, its not a big deal, especially if you've found that TV with PQ you can live with. Better safe than sorry.
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For owners of Sharp UE630X TV, do you guys find any dimness on the 4 corners when it is total grey background? Normally when you TV is on standby mode and when you first then on.

Is it because this is where the led is situated? It's not really noticeable once the picture turns on though.

I'm wondering if it is normal or is there some defect?

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Did u try any test video to check the light distribution of the panel?

e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddUiw_DJB8


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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 30 2016, 12:48 PM)
For owners of Sharp UE630X TV, do you guys find any dimness on the 4 corners when it is total grey background? Normally when you TV is on standby mode and when you first then on.

Is it because this is where the led is situated? It's not really noticeable once the picture turns on though.

I'm wondering if it is normal or is there some defect?
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May i know how much you bought the tv?
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May i know how much you bought the tv?
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Did u try any test video to check the light distribution of the panel?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddUiw_DJB8
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Did u try any test video to check the light distribution of the panel?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddUiw_DJB8
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 30 2016, 12:48 PM)
For owners of Sharp UE630X TV, do you guys find any dimness on the 4 corners when it is total grey background? Normally when you TV is on standby mode and when you first then on.

Is it because this is where the led is situated? It's not really noticeable once the picture turns on though.

I'm wondering if it is normal or is there some defect?
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I noticed the same while I viewed it in the store when just turned on or in some of the menu page, thought it was part of the colour background. I can't test as I have not had my TV delivered yet.


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Thanks will try
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 30 2016, 12:48 PM)
For owners of Sharp UE630X TV, do you guys find any dimness on the 4 corners when it is total grey background? Normally when you TV is on standby mode and when you first then on.

Is it because this is where the led is situated? It's not really noticeable once the picture turns on though.

I'm wondering if it is normal or is there some defect?
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i am not sure but i think i know what u mean.

i think it is part of the tv launcher at startup.



btw, may be good if u will edit the secondary title of this thread to sharp ue630x series since that was the outcome for you, may be useful for others! biggrin.gif

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Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 31 2016, 12:29 PM)
Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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I have no idea as I'm not very knowledgable about TVs. Maybe @bond can chip in as he was the one who posted the test video link
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Uneven light distribution is usually associated with the quality of the panel, i doubt it is classify as defect, anyway, you may report to sharp service and share the outcome.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 31 2016, 12:29 PM)
Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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I think such is the norm for most LED TVs.. Getting a warranty claim for such is dicey and your TV might be returned with an even worse panel, so best to stick with the current panel if it's not too disturbing. For handphones, I doubt that but I guess it depends on the screen type.. Samsung flagship phones with Super AMOLED screens aren't plagued by such issues. 4K OLED displays are the future as they do not require to be backlit. Hoping the R&D guys iron out the current bugs & achieve cheaper manufacturing costs..
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 24 2016, 03:14 PM)
of course you will be...! biggrin.gif

my own experience... having moved on to mostly 1080p/bdmv/bluray, 4k tv and now netflix hd/uhd, i don't watch sd anymore.

the lowest i will watch is 720p/1080i. tongue.gif

well, that's why all the $ spent on the equipment and internet speed.
lastly, if u dun already know, only netflix certified tv's and devices will get hd/uhd. non certified ones will get just sd, 480p.
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ok, signed up for netflix free trial over the weekend ....

try watching daredevil 4k and it played even tho i'm only on unifi 5mbps.
but PQ i don't think it is 4k but still very very good...

now addicted to it.... better cancel while the addiction is not too great.... icon_question.gif

thks for all the info.. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(Longshot @ Feb 1 2016, 07:57 AM)
ok, signed up for netflix free trial over the weekend ....

try watching daredevil 4k and it played even tho i'm only on unifi 5mbps.
but PQ i don't think it is 4k but still very very good...

now addicted to it.... better cancel while the addiction is not too great....  icon_question.gif

thks for all the info..  thumbup.gif
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there is display for every tv show - hd, uhd. no display = sd 480p.

yr ue630x tv has good upscaling, so the 480p comes out good too.

i would think with 5mbps, u are getting just sd even if u subsribe uhd.



now, u should try IFLIX! biggrin.gif

it's free for 1 yr at least.

however, iflix app does not appear on the tv's playstore.

so, need to get es file explorer first (it is in playstore)

next, find a way to get the iflix APK from somewhere else.

then, install apk via usb on the tv using es file explorer.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3841807/+20
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 1 2016, 09:05 AM)
there is display for every tv show - hd, uhd. no display = sd 480p.

yr ue630x tv has good upscaling, so the 480p comes out good too.

i would think with 5mbps, u are getting just sd even if u subsribe uhd.
now, u should try IFLIX! biggrin.gif

it's free for 1 yr at least.

however, iflix app does not appear on the tv's playstore.

so, need to get es file explorer first (it is in playstore)

next, find a way to get the iflix APK from somewhere else.

then, install apk via usb on the tv using es file explorer.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3841807/+20
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I noticed there are 2 settings on HDMI1 :-

1) Limited
2) Full 4:4:4

Option 2 has warning that only if your hardware support.

Which one do you use?

Also does the Sharp UE630X have any sports function or motion function that can be turned on/off?
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 1 2016, 04:39 PM)
I noticed there are 2 settings on HDMI1 :-

1) Limited
2) Full 4:4:4

Option 2 has warning that only if your hardware support.

Which one do you use?

Also does the Sharp UE630X have any sports function or motion function that can be turned on/off?
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hdmi1 - full.
this is for my android box 4k capable and a new 4k hdmi cable.
works ok, no problem.

all other hdmi's - set to limited.

i confirm that with tv optical audio output bitstream setting, can get dd 5.1 on netflix, beside uhd 4k video.



as we now start to discuss more on SHARP UE630X series, i again suggest u amend thread secondary title so that users and potential buyers know this thread has some good info for this brand series. i don't notice another thread for SHARP UHD 4K TV!


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 1 2016, 08:22 PM)
hdmi1 - full.
this is for my android box 4k capable and a new 4k hdmi cable.
works ok, no problem.

all other hdmi's - set to limited.

i confirm that with tv optical audio output bitstream setting, can get dd 5.1 on netflix, beside uhd 4k video.
as we now start to discuss more on SHARP UE630X series, i again suggest u amend thread secondary title so that users and potential buyers know this thread has some good info for this brand series. i don't notice another thread for SHARP UHD 4K TV!
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Agree cause me now are leaning towards SHARP after several people here owns it... laugh.gif
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Agree cause me now are leaning towards SHARP after several people here owns it...  laugh.gif
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it's a good 4k tv.

i posted my comments about netflix and iflix on this tv - both work very well.

check the threads if interested.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 31 2016, 12:29 PM)
Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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Did you try by displaying black picture on screen and turn the lights off? Sounds to me like typical black uniformity issues of LCD, especially edge lit ones in bigger sizes.

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_10.html
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QUOTE(Jason @ Feb 2 2016, 12:22 AM)
Did you try by displaying black picture on screen and turn the lights off? Sounds to me like typical black uniformity issues of LCD, especially edge lit ones in bigger sizes.

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_10.html
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After reading I found that it is inherent problem with all Led Tvs. As long as it is not apparent on normal viewing it's ok.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 2 2016, 04:25 AM)
After reading I found that it is inherent problem with all Led Tvs. As long as it is not apparent on normal viewing it's ok.
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Yup, limitation of the technology itself. Things will improve as we go along, like OLED. The link does give some calibration tips to lower the impact.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 1 2016, 10:46 PM)
it's a good 4k tv.

i posted my comments about netflix and iflix on this tv - both work very well.

check the threads if interested.
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Any idea if it is edge lit or back lit?
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been playing with the audio functions of sharp ue630x, a summary:

.. all 4 hdmi's used as inputs, hdmi1 not used as arc.
.. optical output set to bitstream.
.. optical output connected to avr as input.


.. netflix - can get dd5.1, good (with hd/4k video).
.. direct usb tv playback give good results - for both dts and dd.
.. same files playback with standalone android/media player audio pass thru- only dd is produced on avr, good; dts downgraded to lpcm, poor.

it is strange why direct tv usb playback can produce dts at optical but not when using hdmi input from another player.


anyone has an explanation?
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Back-lit.
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back lit according to this:
http://www.stuff.tv/my/news/sharp-releases...tvs-in-malaysia

should be it is not as thin as some other tv's.

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thats good, that partly explains for the better picture quality. Begger's can't be choosers I guess, coz next step up with capability of perfect uniform colours will be the LG 65" Oled at RM20k.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 2 2016, 11:38 AM)
been playing with the audio functions of sharp ue630x, a summary:

.. all 4 hdmi's used as inputs, hdmi1 not used as arc.
.. optical output set to bitstream.
.. optical output connected to avr as input.
.. netflix - can get dd5.1, good (with hd/4k video).
.. direct usb tv playback give good results - for both dts and dd.
.. same files playback with standalone android/media player audio pass thru- only dd is produced on avr, good; dts downgraded to lpcm, poor.

it is strange why direct tv usb playback can produce dts at optical but not when using hdmi input from another player.
anyone has an explanation?
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When you connect your source file via USB, what programme do you use to view the video?
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When you connect your source file via USB, what programme do you use to view the video?
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the native app "media" on tv launcher where see netflix, manual, sharp...
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back lit according to this:
http://www.stuff.tv/my/news/sharp-releases...tvs-in-malaysia

should be it is not as thin as some other tv's.
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TVs normally can't send out 5.1 audio when the source is through HDMI.
Only when the source is the TV itself then it can send out 5.1 audio. Also, most of the time only DD not DTS.

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back lit according to this:
http://www.stuff.tv/my/news/sharp-releases...tvs-in-malaysia

should be it is not as thin as some other tv's.
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I don't see the article specificly mentioning that this TV is backlit.
The term LED back lit is genericly used to denote LED backlighting / edgelighting. Also, the article is a very casual press release. Does not go into any details whatsoever, so I believe they are using the term "backlit" loosely.
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TVs normally can't send out 5.1 audio when the source is through HDMI.
Only when the source is the TV itself then it can send out 5.1 audio. Also, most of the time only DD not DTS.
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1. when source is from the tv like netflix, it can send out dd5.1 from optical out.

2. when source is usb direct on tv, it can send out both dd5.1 and dts5.1 from optical out.

3. when source is hdmi input from ext device, it can send out only dd5.1 and not dts from optical out.

i am curious why 3 cannot achieve dts while 2 can for the same files playback.

i guess it is either due to hdmi input like u said or dts licensing is not complete for optical output while dd is.



so... if above is true, it means most tv's having external hdmi input can't do optical out dts to avr?

i am curious about this becos this is the first time i m playing with optical out from tv... never had the need before! biggrin.gif
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1. when source is from the tv like netflix, it can send out dd5.1 from optical out.

2. when source is usb direct on tv, it can send out both dd5.1 and dts5.1 from optical out.

3. when source is hdmi input from ext device, it can send out only dd5.1 and not dts from optical out.

i am curious why 3 cannot achieve dts while 2 can for the same files playback.

i guess it is either due to hdmi input like u said or dts licensing is not complete for optical output while dd is.
so... if above is true, it means most tv's having external hdmi input can't do optical out dts to avr?

i am curious about this becos this is the first time i m playing with optical out from tv... never had the need before! biggrin.gif
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If you have AVR and external device, you can connect the external device direct to the AVR, you don't need to connect to TV.
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The Cnet article I linked earlier mentions that DTS never gets passed-through in their testing. They tested with HDMI input to the TV and optical out.

http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-tested-whi...to-a-sound-bar/

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 2 2016, 04:11 PM)
I don't see the article specificly mentioning that this TV is backlit.
The term LED back lit is genericly used to denote LED backlighting / edgelighting. Also, the article is a very casual press release. Does not go into any details whatsoever, so I believe they are using the term "backlit" loosely.
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It's Back-lit... Sharp Malaysia's website confirms it.. Check the specs listing... If it were edge-lit, they'd specifically mention it and the light at the edge of the panels would have been noticeably brighter (not dimmer) than other areas, when a grey background is displayed.

*Remarks: LED TV refers to LCD TV with LED Back-lit.

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If you have AVR and external device, you can connect the external device direct to the AVR, you don't need to connect to TV.
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biggrin.gif of course.

but.. there are exceptional cases... like...

... old avr
... no hmdi input.
... 1 coaxial + 1 optical input
... 4 devices! laugh.gif

so, if TV optical output can do the job for both dd and dts, very handy. just connect all 4 devices to tv via hdmi, optical to avr, viola! tongue.gif
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It's Back-lit... Sharp Malaysia's website confirms it.. Check the specs listing... If it were edge-lit, they'd specifically mention it and the light at the edge of the panels would have been noticeably brighter (not dimmer) than other areas, when a grey background is displayed.

*Remarks: LED TV refers to LCD TV with LED Back-lit.
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I suppose this model is backlit then. But I would always caution skepticism when reading specs to avoid disappointment smile.gif

" *Remarks: LED TV refers to LCD TV with LED Back-lit."
The above is a common disclaimer to say that LED is not a new panel technology, it just means the backlight is LED instead of CCFL. Backlight here can mean both Edge lighting or backlighting.


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The Cnet article I linked earlier mentions that DTS never gets passed-through in their testing. They tested with HDMI input to the TV and optical out.

http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-tested-whi...to-a-sound-bar/
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thanks, good read.

but that's 2013, some tv's have improved! biggrin.gif

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If you're looking for a TV that can pass a true 5.1 signal, then based on our results you'd be smart to stick to Sony, Toshiba, and Vizio models. Regardless of cost, all of the televisions from these three manufacturers that we examined were able to pass-through Dolby Digital 5.1 signals via their optical output.

well, the sharp ue630x now can do dd5.1, whether direct usb or ext device hdmi input.

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A few things stood our from our testing. One is that DTS signals were downconverted to stereo PCM by every TV. So even in the best case scenario, TVs will downconvert surround sound to stereo for movies that only include a DTS soundtrack.

not entirely true since direct usb on my tv can do dts! laugh.gif

but i will accept it can't do dts for ext devices. smile.gif
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thanks, good read.

but that's 2013, some tv's have improved! biggrin.gif
well, the sharp ue630x now can do dd5.1, whether direct usb or ext device hdmi input.
not entirely true since direct usb on my tv can do dts! laugh.gif

but i will accept it can't do dts for ext devices. smile.gif
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That's the thing, TVs seem able to do DTS with the tuner, built-in apps & USB but not external HDMI.
So many years has passed and support for such basic things are still problematic and improvements seem very incremental.

This is why we need AVRs and separate boxes to get things done but the costs can add-up very quickly. sad.gif
I was previously very happy with my setup since I can get everything connected to my AVR and do what they are supposed to do. Now, I have to use the TV apps for 4K video and simple things like ARC and DTS don't work. We are not even talking about HD audio or Atmos/DTS X. Audio support has always been dodgy and it continues to be so, just to find a box that supports HD audio pass-through is a pain as there are only a few that are able to do this and they are all buggy with some major weaknesses.



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That's the thing, TVs seem able to do DTS with the tuner, built-in apps & USB but not external HDMI.
So many years has passed and support for such basic things are still problematic and improvements seem very incremental.

This is why we need AVRs and separate boxes to get things done but the costs can add-up very quickly.  sad.gif
I was previously very happy with my setup since I can get everything connected to my AVR and do what they are supposed to do. Now, I have to use the TV apps for 4K video and simple things like ARC and DTS don't work. We are not even talking about HD audio or Atmos/DTS X. Audio support has always been dodgy and it continues to be so, just to find a box that supports HD audio pass-through is a pain as there are only a few that are able to do this and they are all buggy with some major weaknesses.
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actually, 4 of my 5 boxes can do HD audio pass thru.

the oldest one is 4 yrs old, an AC Ryan Mini.

the other 3 are himedia androids, 2.5, 2, 1.5 yrs old. the newest one can do dd atmos too. they are excellent for playback, very good for popular apps but not so good for KODI.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 2 2016, 06:47 PM)
actually, 4 of my 5 boxes can do HD audio pass thru.

the oldest one is 4 yrs old, an AC Ryan Mini.

the other 3 are himedia androids, 2.5, 2, 1.5 yrs old. the newest one can do dd atmos too. they are excellent for playback, very good for popular apps but not so good for KODI.
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AC Ryan is old already. Those Realtek/Sigma chip devices were good for playing video and audio passthrough but the software has aged and there is no more support. If you go for Android, like the newer Himedias they come with their set of issues as well and most importantly no Netflix HD. Those streaming boxes like Roku can't handle most local files and also don't do HD audio passthrough. There is no perfect solution within reasonable cost and power consumption (rules out HTPCs). Everything is a compromise and will probably continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Just to add, just because your Himedias can passthrough HD audio you shouldn't consider it as normal. Most android boxes including the famed Minix X8 don't completely support DD TrueHD and DTS HDMA passthrough. The Himedias are the exception rather than the norm. And the Himedia's have very little global support coz most of the info available are in Chinese and it is also not complete. Check out Iboum.com and you will see what I mean. So many boxes and there are still so many shortcomings.

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AC Ryan is old already. Those Realtek/Sigma chip devices were good for playing video and audio passthrough but the software has aged and there is no more support. If you go for Android, like the newer Himedias they come with their set of issues as well and most importantly no Netflix HD. Those streaming boxes like Roku can't handle most local files and also don't do HD audio passthrough. There is no perfect solution within reasonable cost and power consumption (rules out HTPCs). Everything is a compromise and will probably continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Just to add, just because your Himedias can passthrough HD audio you shouldn't consider it as normal. Most android boxes including the famed Minix X8 don't completely support DD TrueHD and DTS HDMA passthrough. The Himedias are the exception rather than the norm. And the Himedia's have very little global support coz most of the info available are in Chinese and it is also not complete. Check out Iboum.com and you will see what I mean. So many boxes and there are still so many shortcomings.
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Yep, I get you.

There is simply no magic box for everything and future proof.

So, we just make use of whatever we have, at lowest possible cost for maximum benefits. laugh.gif
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Btw what video format can the UE630X read? I tried BDISO 40+GB file it could not detect.
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Btw what video format can the UE630X read? I tried BDISO 40+GB file it could not detect.
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it can read all common formats incl m2ts.

the reader/player is slow and sensitive - need to switch on/off tv, try a couple of times to get it.

as with other players, cannot expect the tv to read it like a bd player will read bluray disc with full menu, etc.

zipped iso i have not tried, but it will read the unzipped m2ts files.

and u need to find the right main m2ts file!

with optical output, dd truehd->dd, dts hdma->dts.

the video quality is good, as good as other standalone players.

but navigation for audio tracks, subs is clumsy.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2016, 11:52 AM)
it can read all common formats incl m2ts.

the reader/player is slow and sensitive - need to switch on/off tv, try a couple of times to get it.

as with other players, cannot expect the tv to read it like a bd player will read bluray disc with full menu, etc.

zipped iso i have not tried, but it will read the unzipped m2ts files.

and u need to find the right main m2ts file!

with optical output, dd truehd->dd, dts hdma->dts.

the video quality is good, as good as other standalone players.

but navigation for audio tracks, subs is clumsy.
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Aiyoo.. that's the sad part no wonder it could not detect some files. Thanks for your suggestion.
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Aiyoo.. that's the sad part no wonder it could not detect some files. Thanks for your suggestion.
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Best to try Kodi/Plex. Some formats like BD ISO / RMVB may not work anyway due to hardware limitations but you will definitely get more file format support via a third party app compared to the built-in media player.
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Aiyoo.. that's the sad part no wonder it could not detect some files. Thanks for your suggestion.
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an alternative is to install vlc from playstore.
u can then play via es file explorer, with vlc.
es file explorer can read the usb drive better than the native player.
can also use vlc direct to play but it is not as neat as es file explorer.

es/vlc can read m2ts, mkv, etc. can play dd and dts files but optical out, both will be lpcm.

no need to try mx player - this one cannot read dts files properly.
i have not tried plex.

in summary, for just video, es/vlc is good.
if u want dd/dts, use native player.

i think i hv tested enough the usb and optical output functions of the ue630x. i will not use them much. maybe for photos on a pendrive. for usb video playback, i just use my android box which can handle all video and audio nicely. wink.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2016, 06:17 PM)
an alternative is to install vlc from playstore.
u can then play via es file explorer, with vlc.
es file explorer can read the usb drive better than the native player.
can also use vlc direct to play but it is not as neat as es file explorer.

es/vlc can read m2ts, mkv, etc. can play dd and dts files but optical out, both will be lpcm.

no need to try mx player - this one cannot read dts files properly.
i have not tried plex.

in summary, for just video, es/vlc is good.
if u want dd/dts, use native player.

i think i hv tested enough the usb and optical output functions of the ue630x. i will not use them much. maybe for photos on a pendrive. for usb video playback, i just use my android box which can handle all video and audio nicely. wink.gif
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This is a something I did not consider, DD & DTS output only works via native app. I suppose all "uncertified" apps will have the same limitations as well.

Which android box are you using now and how happy are you with it?
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Which android box are you using now and how happy are you with it?
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himedia Q16.

good for 3d, bdmv, iso, dts hdma, dd truehd.

and dd atmos but my avr can't do. laugh.gif

Video Format : RM, FLV, MOV, AVI, MKV, TS, MP4, ISO, TP, TRP, RMVB , WMV, ASF , VOB, MPG, MPEG, DAT, SWF, 3D MVC

Video Codec : H.265, H.264, MPEG1/2/4, VC1, WMV, REALVIDEO8/9/10




i m very happy with this himedia q16 and the sharp ue630x.

what tv, box or device u using? so that we know where u r coming from.

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himedia Q16.

good for 3d, bdmv, iso, dts hdma, dd truehd.

and dd atmos but my avr can't do. laugh.gif

Video Format : RM, FLV, MOV, AVI, MKV, TS, MP4, ISO, TP, TRP, RMVB , WMV, ASF , VOB, MPG, MPEG, DAT, SWF, 3D MVC

Video Codec : H.265, H.264, MPEG1/2/4, VC1, WMV, REALVIDEO8/9/10

i m very happy with this himedia q16 and the sharp ue630x.

what tv, box or device u using? so that we know where u r coming from.
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I have a 55" Samsung JS7200 tv and I am currently using a Roku 3 for streaming and a Himedia 910B for local files through a NAS.
I intend to get a 4K capable box which can do streaming as good as the Roku and handle local files with HD audio. But can't find any that fits the bill within a reasonable budget.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 09:29 AM)
I have a 55" Samsung JS7200 tv and I am currently using a Roku 3 for streaming and a Himedia 910B for local files through a NAS.
I intend to get a 4K capable box which can do streaming as good as the Roku and handle local files with HD audio. But can't find any that fits the bill within a reasonable budget.
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What's your reasonable budget? Obviously, if it's too low, you don't get the good stuff. There are very limited & capable boxes that can stream like the Roku. Especially if powered by Android.

Edit: probably not a discussion for this thread...

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What's your reasonable budget? Obviously, if it's too low, you don't get the good stuff. There are very limited & capable boxes that can stream like the Roku. Especially if powered by Android.

Edit: probably not a discussion for this thread...
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Budget 500-600. Anything to recommend?
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Budget 500-600. Anything to recommend?
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At minimum... Double your budget.. Can consider the Nvidia Shield TV box or a custom HTPC.. Alternatively, you can get the Roku 4 for about RM800.
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Thanks for the recommendation. The shield has a shortage of apps and while I do game, I am on the red side not green so there is a hardware limitation there. Also I don't want to build a htpc coz the cost for decent one is closer to rm2k.. The roku 4 is not ideal for local media and the streaming part does not add anything to what I already have via roku 3 and the tv's tizen.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 01:38 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation. The shield has a shortage of apps and while I do game, I am on the red side not green so there is a hardware limitation there. Also I don't want to build a htpc coz the cost for decent one is closer to rm2k.. The roku 4 is not ideal for local media and the streaming part does not add anything to what I already have via roku 3 and the tv's tizen.
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You r welcome.. Seems like only a decent HTPC can improve your current setup.. So you essentially answered your question.. smile.gif
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You r welcome.. Seems like only a decent HTPC can improve your current setup.. So you essentially answered your question..  smile.gif
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actually, i was thinking of venturing into htpc last year.

considering all the $ i already spent on the several boxes (in various locations of the house), portable hdd's.... plus the new $ required.... i decided no.

decided to spend on new 4k tv, just make full use of whatever hardware i have now with unifi30.

one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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You r welcome.. Seems like only a decent HTPC can improve your current setup.. So you essentially answered your question..  smile.gif
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Don't want to go the htpc route. Will wait untill something new comes along.
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one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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True that. Need to take a breather for now and wait until something interesting comes along.
Hopefully MYR/USD improves by then as well.
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actually, i was thinking of venturing into htpc last year.

considering all the $ i already spent on the several boxes (in various locations of the house), portable hdd's.... plus the new $ required.... i decided no.

decided to spend on new 4k tv, just make full use of whatever hardware i have now with unifi30.

one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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Yeah.. Keeping up is a pain... That's why I've begun saving & refused to trade up to a 4K TV just yet... IMO, an ideal setup includes a lovely 70" 4K Smart TV + regular Android OS apps support or Android TV + access to regular android apps, a custom HTPC (hardware upgradeable), a decent NAS system & router to boot. The icing on the cake being Google's 1Gbps gigabit Internet + TV service.. brows.gif
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Hi, want to buy tv 4k no 3d its ok, i play ps4 n also watch movie in hd, so which model sony or samsung ? Budget 10k
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 09:29 AM)
I have a 55" Samsung JS7200 tv and I am currently using a Roku 3 for streaming and a Himedia 910B for local files through a NAS.
I intend to get a 4K capable box which can do streaming as good as the Roku and handle local files with HD audio. But can't find any that fits the bill within a reasonable budget.
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Your requirements are similar to mine. Well kind of... I think I already found a solution. Just hope I can find time with this long weekend coming up and if the wife and kids would play nice and don't interrupt me. laugh.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 4 2016, 04:30 PM)
actually, i was thinking of venturing into htpc last year.

considering all the $ i already spent on the several boxes (in various locations of the house), portable hdd's.... plus the new $ required.... i decided no.

decided to spend on new 4k tv, just make full use of whatever hardware i have now with unifi30.

one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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LOL. The HTPC I built is close to 8 years old. Along the way I did upgrade the graphics card and put an SSD drive but that's about it. Of course when I shifted to my new place, I placed gigabit network and set up a NAS. A cheapo Sharp 60 inch TV and a soundbar. For me the only thing short at the moment is a 4K TV...

QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 4 2016, 04:49 PM)
Yeah.. Keeping up is a pain... That's why I've begun saving & refused to trade up to a 4K TV just yet... IMO, an ideal setup includes a lovely 70" 4K Smart TV + regular Android OS apps support or Android TV + access to regular android apps, a custom HTPC (hardware upgradeable), a decent NAS system & router to boot. The icing on the cake being Google's 1Gbps gigabit Internet + TV service.. brows.gif
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Yup. You and me pretty similar. thumbup.gif Still waiting for that 4K TV. If planning to make your system not become obsolete fast, sometimes a little bit more spending is required.

Say did anybody see the new 4.9 mm super thin Sony 4K TV? I saw the 65 inch the other day and thought it was quite beautiful. wub.gif But price wise not beautiful. cry.gif
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Yeah.. Keeping up is a pain... That's why I've begun saving & refused to trade up to a 4K TV just yet... IMO, an ideal setup includes a lovely 70" 4K Smart TV + regular Android OS apps support or Android TV + access to regular android apps, a custom HTPC (hardware upgradeable), a decent NAS system & router to boot. The icing on the cake being Google's 1Gbps gigabit Internet + TV service.. brows.gif
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that will come! biggrin.gif

if one is to start from scratch, say... rm20k?

assuming home theater 4k, dd atmos capable already in place.

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 4 2016, 07:11 PM)
Yup. You and me pretty similar.  thumbup.gif Still waiting for that 4K TV. If planning to make your system not become obsolete fast, sometimes a little bit more spending is required.

Say did anybody see the new 4.9 mm super thin Sony 4K TV? I saw the 65 inch the other day and thought it was quite beautiful.  wub.gif But price wise not beautiful.  cry.gif
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Yeah, more spending is required. Though, with tech this days, its like once released for sale on the market, its already obsolete. So my main concern is purchase satisfaction. Read about the Sony TVs... That has to go up on the wall, can't risk it tipping over.. biggrin.gif

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that will come! biggrin.gif

if one is to start from scratch, say... rm20k?

assuming home theater 4k, dd atmos capable already in place.
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Oh yeah, forgot to include sounds systems into the setup... Overkill.... A/V Receiver capable of DTS:X and Dolby Atmos 9.1.2 speakers config.... drool.gif drool.gif ... Starting from scratch, top of the range everything can easily surpass RM100K. There's a thread up on avsforums dedicated to "casual" discussions about ultra high-end HT systems costing minimum $20K.. Wow! Much cash... Guess some folks really don't mess around with sound quality huh..
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Yeah, more spending is required. Though, with tech this days, its like once released for sale on the market, its already obsolete. So my main concern is purchase satisfaction. Read about the Sony TVs... That has to go up on the wall, can't risk it tipping over..  biggrin.gif
Oh yeah, forgot to include sounds systems into the setup... Overkill.... A/V Receiver capable of DTS:X and Dolby Atmos 9.1.2 speakers config....  drool.gif  drool.gif ... Starting from scratch, top of the range everything can easily surpass RM100K. There's a thread up on avsforums dedicated to "casual" discussions about ultra high-end HT systems costing minimum $20K.. Wow! Much cash... Guess some folks really don't mess around with sound quality huh..
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Home theatre is cheap compared to hifi though, where a top model power cable alone can cost rm150k.

Being a cheap Charlie even when I use affordable setup my small 58" 4k TV, focus audio home theatre speakers, jtr captivator subwoofer and anthem avr all add in only cost half of my hifi amp.

Some forumers here are lucky enough to own landed bungalows with underground home theatre rooms, that is actually the most expensive part of the setup. Home theatre systems are fairly affordable in that sense.

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For those using Plex, can you stream dts ma files smoothly? I get stuttering sound when I try playing those files from my notebook in another room on the Sharp UE630X. Using dual band router from Tplink. When I play smaller files it runs smoothly. What's the likely culprit?
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 02:15 AM)
For those using Plex, can you stream dts ma files smoothly? I get stuttering sound when I try playing those files from my notebook in another room on the Sharp UE630X. Using dual band router from Tplink. When I play smaller files it runs smoothly. What's the likely culprit?
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This is most probably due to bitrate. The wifi throughput you're getting is not enough. You need to improve your local network by using devices with more bandwidth or go for a wired connection with gigabit ethernet or av1200 powerline.

Maybe test out other big files and see how it goes first. Does the tv have ac wifi or only n? What about your notebook and your router? Which band are you using 2.4 or 5.0?

If only the sound is stuttering and the video is smooth, then try to downmix the audio to dts only. HD audio has high bitrate and needs a better network.

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 8 2016, 08:44 AM)
This is most probably due to bitrate. The wifi throughput you're getting is not enough. You need to improve your local network by using devices with more bandwidth or go for a wired connection with gigabit ethernet or av1200 powerline.

Maybe test out other big files and see how it goes first. Does the tv have ac wifi or only n? What about your notebook and your router? Which band are you using 2.4 or 5.0?

If only the sound is stuttering and the video is smooth, then try to downmix the audio to dts only. HD audio has high bitrate and needs a better network.
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At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 10:05 AM)
At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 10:05 AM)
At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.
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what audio did you get with plex streaming wifi dtshdma files?

u are doing optical out from tv to avr, right?
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for sharp ue630x users...

been trying all kinds pf picture settings.

i finally settle for this:

.. turn on eco1.
.. standard - use default reset.
.. movie - use default reset.

tv android apps (incc netflix, iflix), android box, acryan, bd player, - use movie.

hypptv - use standard (this one is ough becos diff channels come out diff video brightness, colors, sharpness).

since a standard or movie setting applies to all hdmi inputs and can't do individual variations, so it's either std or movie. there are also game, pc, dynamic settings which are irrelevant to me.

diff eyes see diff things.... please share yr settings, i can try them! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 8 2016, 12:41 PM)
what audio did you get with plex streaming wifi dtshdma files?

u are doing optical out from tv to avr, right?
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I still can get 5.1 but not dts ma, mainly due to limitation of the optical cable.

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I still can get 5.1 but not dts ma, mainly due to limitation of the optical cable.
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quite ok if dts 5.1 with optical out.

think should be same if using hdmi1/arc.

the tv hardware can't do hd audio, i would think.

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IMO, I believe it's best to get a HT/AVR with ARC, ample HDMI inputs and at least 1 HDMI output. At the very minimum, HD audio support up to the popular Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Maybe even Dolby Atmos. Cuz I believe (wouldn't blame them) TV manufacturers worry more about picture quality than HD audio options.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 8 2016, 12:50 PM)
for sharp ue630x users...

been trying all kinds pf picture settings.

i finally settle for this:

.. turn on eco1.
.. standard - use default reset.
.. movie - use default reset.

tv android apps (incc netflix, iflix), android box, acryan, bd player, - use movie.

hypptv - use standard (this one is ough becos diff channels come out diff video brightness, colors, sharpness).

since a standard or movie setting applies to all hdmi inputs and can't do individual variations, so it's either std or movie. there are also game, pc, dynamic settings which are irrelevant to me.

diff eyes see diff things.... please share yr settings, i can try them! biggrin.gif
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Where to find eco 1 setting?
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under settings, control.
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under settings, control.
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When I click tv setup there are 3 categories
1) picture
2) audio
3) general

But no control under these 3 settings. Could it be your options are different?
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When I click tv setup there are 3 categories
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But no control under these 3 settings. Could it be your options are different?
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no, not under tv setup.

on the tv launcher, go to the bottom.

settings, then control.

the same page where u access apps - the self installed apps.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 10 2016, 11:18 AM)
no, not under tv setup.

on the tv launcher, go to the bottom.

settings, then control.

the same page where u access apps - the self installed apps.
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Found it thanks, it was already on eco 1. Will try a few calibration methods to see if I can get a better picture.

The only picture mode I can't take is Dynamic, the colours are too vibrant for long viewing that it hurts my eyes.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 9 2016, 08:05 AM)
IMO, I believe it's best to get a HT/AVR with ARC, ample HDMI inputs and at least 1 HDMI output. At the very minimum, HD audio support up to the popular Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Maybe even Dolby Atmos. Cuz I believe (wouldn't blame them) TV manufacturers worry more about picture quality than HD audio options.
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I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 11 2016, 08:00 AM)
I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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Yeah, same point... TVs (more towards PQ improvement than audio)... For those that want more, an external player & AVR that supports MKV, MP4, ISO, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc will do.
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Yeah, same point... TVs (more towards PQ improvement than audio)... For those that want more, an external player & AVR that supports MKV, MP4, ISO, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc will do.
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Well TVs are adding all this smart functions but they are all half baked coz these TVs can't even pass 5.1 properly let alone HD / aural audio. I suppose they just want to cater to the masses and keep costs down.

Maybe we will see a TV with built in AVR sometime in the future or maybe some form of project ARA for TVs biggrin.gif
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Looking forward to see what's in store for 2016. Especially cost improvements to Oled and introduction of HDR.

I hope the Sharp UE630X will keep me good company in the meantime. Will try to adjust my sitting position also in the meantime. Currently sitting 15 feet away which makes the TV look small. It's not easy to position furniture in the living area which will also affect the view of the scenery.

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I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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yes. some years ago, smart tv's can ony do dd, can't even give audio with dts files!

those that can now do dd and dts incl arc/optical out are quite good already. biggrin.gif

i think it is not only cost of hardware but the licensing of the codecs - all that add to costs. tv makers rightly should focus on video, not audio.


about android box that can pass thru dtshdma/dd truehd/dd atmos, jdgobio commented in a previous post that this feature is an exception rather than the norm. so, do check carefully if buying one of them.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 11 2016, 10:43 AM)
yes. some years ago, smart tv's can ony do dd, can't even give audio with dts files!

those that can now do dd and dts incl arc/optical out are quite good already. biggrin.gif

i think it is not only cost of hardware but the licensing of the codecs - all that add to costs. tv makers rightly should focus on video, not audio.
about android box that can pass thru dtshdma/dd truehd/dd atmos, jdgobio commented in a previous post that this feature is an exception rather than the norm. so, do check carefully if buying one of them.
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Yes, codec licensing appears to be an expensive affair to the extent that even mass manufacturers don't want to support them. In reality we are probably talking about just USD1-5 per item which I am sure most of us will gladly pay but manufacturers want to keep costs down as much as possible.
Sometimes its also that the hardware (SoC) is unable to support the audio but I have seen many cases where the SoC is disabled to not support the audio format due to licensing.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
Well TVs are adding all this smart functions but they are all half baked coz these TVs can't even pass 5.1 properly let alone HD / aural audio. I suppose they just want to cater to the masses and keep costs down.

Maybe we will see a TV with built in AVR sometime in the future or maybe some form of project ARA for TVs  biggrin.gif
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Yes, codec licensing appears to be an expensive affair to the extent that even mass manufacturers don't want to support them. In reality we are probably talking about just USD1-5 per item which I am sure most of us will gladly pay but manufacturers want to keep costs down as much as possible.
Sometimes its also that the hardware (SoC) is unable to support the audio but I have seen many cases where the SoC is disabled to not support the audio format due to licensing.
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A TV with built-in basic features of an AVR? Perhaps.. Maybe the guys @ Xiaomi can make this a reality.. The Samsung One Connect Evolution Kit is kinda similar to being a "project ARA" for TVs. Well, the closest at least for now. Profits-wise, I doubt any all-in-one package will be introduced. It's like today's smartphones, manufacturers simply won't make that one phone to rule them all for a couple of years (minimum), why? Cuz they want us to replace it, there'll always be something missing.. biggrin.gif

Sure, those in the know who care about audio passthrough, formats, high res audio, etc won't mind paying even an extra $25 per TV to get codecs supported etc. But from the manufacturer's point of view, $25 x say 200 million units is a lot of lost profit, especially when the people who care about such issues are definitely "negligible" in the grand scheme of things. When a new UHD/SUHD is launched, people go gaga over color reproduction, clarity, motion, processing speed, upscaling engines, etc.. Very rarely do they bother about sound since TV speakers don't cut it anyway. I think the only way they'll all budge, is if it's made an international standard/requirement that all TVs (@ least Mid-range & above) be able to play and passthrough (HDMI) the latest codecs onto a supporting AVR/HT. That just might do it... smile.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 11 2016, 04:12 PM)
A TV with built-in basic features of an AVR? Perhaps.. Maybe the guys @ Xiaomi can make this a reality.. The Samsung One Connect Evolution Kit is kinda similar to being a "project ARA" for TVs. Well, the closest at least for now. Profits-wise, I doubt any all-in-one package will be introduced. It's like today's smartphones, manufacturers simply won't make that one phone to rule them all for a couple of years (minimum), why? Cuz they want us to replace it, there'll always be something missing..  biggrin.gif

Sure, those in the know who care about audio passthrough, formats, high res audio, etc won't mind paying even an extra $25 per TV to get codecs supported etc. But from the manufacturer's point of view, $25 x say 200 million units is a lot of lost profit, especially when the people who care about such issues are definitely "negligible" in the grand scheme of things. When a new UHD/SUHD is launched, people go gaga over color reproduction, clarity, motion, processing speed, upscaling engines, etc.. Very rarely do they bother about sound since TV speakers don't cut it anyway. I think the only way they'll all budge, is if it's made an international standard/requirement that all TVs (@ least Mid-range & above) be able to play and passthrough (HDMI) the latest codecs onto a supporting AVR/HT. That just might do it...  smile.gif
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Good points there. I think we will never see this come to fruition. The other way is a tv to be just a dumb display like a pc monitor. Everything else is supported through a one conect type of box with non-proprietary connectors. All manufacturers can choose the hardware they want to include and the avr, tuner, apps can be integrated inside.

Unfortunately, we represent a niche market and the manufacturers can't be bothered about us. Only Dolby and DTS can do do something about this.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 11 2016, 04:12 PM)
Very rarely do they bother about sound since TV speakers don't cut it anyway. I think the only way they'll all budge, is if it's made an international standard/requirement that all TVs (@ least Mid-range & above) be able to play and passthrough (HDMI) the latest codecs onto a supporting AVR/HT. That just might do it...  smile.gif
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right... from a tv mfg biz perspective, there is little incentive to incorporate more peripherals as it will cost more, customers may not like it.

sharp once had a model that incl a bluray disc player. it died very quickly. biggrin.gif

androids already in, better audio maybe possible. the android i have on my sharp 4k tv is quite good. in fact, it is better than my android box in some ways, e.g. that it is certified by neflix, can get uhd videos.

that tells me if the big corps have it their way, they will do it if the demand is such - say, if no more DVD's just BDs with hd audio and IPTVs provide mostly HD audio... TV makers will have HD audio codecs, ready to go into AVRs, expanded UI to cater to other apps. they will surely do that if they can sell the TV at a higher price/margin.

a matter of $ and cents...

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right... from a tv mfg biz perspective, there is little incentive to incorporate more peripherals as it will cost more, customers may not like it.

sharp once had a model that incl a bluray disc player. it died very quickly. biggrin.gif

androids already in, better audio maybe possible. the android i have on my sharp 4k tv is quite good. in fact, it is better than my android box in some ways, e.g. that it is certified by neflix, can get uhd videos.

that tells me if the big corps have it their way, they will do it if the demand is such - say, if no more DVD's just BDs with hd audio and IPTVs provide mostly HD audio... TV makers will have HD audio codecs, ready to go into AVRs, expanded UI to cater to other apps. they will surely do that if they can sell the TV at a higher price/margin.

a matter of $ and cents...
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I doubt that hd audio will become mainstream enough anytime soon. The audio stream size is too big for sattelite, iptv and cable. If it can get through this hurdle then we have a chance.

But maybe by that time we will have UHD audio with smaller size streams.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 11 2016, 06:58 PM)
right... from a tv mfg biz perspective, there is little incentive to incorporate more peripherals as it will cost more, customers may not like it.

sharp once had a model that incl a bluray disc player. it died very quickly. biggrin.gif

androids already in, better audio maybe possible. the android i have on my sharp 4k tv is quite good. in fact, it is better than my android box in some ways, e.g. that it is certified by neflix, can get uhd videos.

that tells me if the big corps have it their way, they will do it if the demand is such - say, if no more DVD's just BDs with hd audio and IPTVs provide mostly HD audio... TV makers will have HD audio codecs, ready to go into AVRs, expanded UI to cater to other apps. they will surely do that if they can sell the TV at a higher price/margin.

a matter of $ and cents...
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Exactly.. nod.gif I'm hoping in the next 3 - 5 years, significant & CHEAPER improvements would have been made in the TV industry.

QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 07:13 PM)
I doubt that hd audio will become mainstream enough anytime soon. The audio stream size is too big for sattelite, iptv and cable. If it can get through this hurdle then we have a chance.

But maybe by that time we will have UHD audio with smaller size streams.
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True... Thing is, the tech to accomplish this has been available.. Take the new video compression standard, H.265, capable of significantly better compression performance and lower bandwidth utilization. Now, coupled with Gigabit Ethernet, adapters & Internet speed... Way more than enough to power 4K IPTV... Provided those in charge make the proper switches... About 80 years ago, roughly when commercial television broadcasts started in the US, talks about 1080p or 4K streaming would have been considered works of science fiction. But here we are today... Speaking of gigabit Internet speeds.. Malaysia boleh? tongue.gif
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Exactly..  nod.gif I'm hoping in the next 3 - 5 years, significant & CHEAPER improvements would have been made in the TV industry.
True... Thing is, the tech to accomplish this has been available.. Take the new video compression standard, H.265, capable of significantly  better compression performance and lower bandwidth utilization. Now, coupled with Gigabit Ethernet, adapters & Internet speed... Way more than enough to power 4K IPTV... Provided those in charge make the proper switches... About 80 years ago, roughly when commercial television broadcasts started in the US, talks about 1080p or 4K streaming would have been considered works of science fiction. But here we are today... Speaking of gigabit Internet speeds.. Malaysia boleh?  tongue.gif
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The obstacle will be more on the side of broadcasters. Currently most can't even do 1080p, let alone 4K with HD audio. As for internet speeds, gigabit speeds for home users will eventually arrive in Malaysia in a couple of years but even developed countries are still struggling with VDSL speeds (AU, US). So most probably will only be available in major cities.
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The obstacle will be more on the side of broadcasters. Currently most can't even do 1080p, let alone 4K with HD audio. As for internet speeds, gigabit speeds for home users will eventually arrive in Malaysia in a couple of years but even developed countries are still struggling with VDSL speeds (AU, US). So most probably will only be available in major cities.
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I agree and I'm fine with it taking a few years to achieve, cuz major technological changes do take awhile to be implemented & become mainstream. Take IPv6 adoption rate, since 2009 till date & it's still hovering around a 10% worldwide adoption rate.. Question is.. Are the necessary infrastructure being planned now?
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I agree and I'm fine with it taking a few years to achieve, cuz major technological changes do take awhile to be implemented & become mainstream. Take IPv6 adoption rate, since 2009 till date & it's still hovering around a 10% worldwide adoption rate.. Question is.. Are the necessary infrastructure being planned now?
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Yup, everything is so fragmented due to rapid technological advancement. It will take decades for everyone to catch up completely even if there are no further improvements / new technology.
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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.


not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.


overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif
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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.
not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif
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Overall I'm happy with the picture quality of the 630x too, I feel the only weakness is in bright areas, because the brightness level seems too low or it maybe the panel can't produce high brightness. This seems to be the characteristic of 4k panels. However the black levels are good and if the room is not too glaring, the picture quality is excellent.



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I feel the only weakness is in bright areas, because the brightness level seems too low or it maybe the panel can't produce high brightness.
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this is interesting.

i find the brightness (preset settings) at times too bright that my eyes sometimes feel uncomfortable.

then again, it could be due last years of a much less bright tv or my eyes have gotten sensitive, i.e. aged! laugh.gif
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this is interesting.

i find the brightness (preset settings) at times too bright that my eyes sometimes feel uncomfortable.

then again, it could be due last years of a much less bright tv or my eyes have gotten sensitive, i.e. aged! laugh.gif
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I'm using movie mode though, if I use Dynamic my eyes will hurt.
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I'm using movie mode though, if I use Dynamic my eyes will hurt.
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movie is probably the best for the eyes, but comes with a reddish tone. i use movie default mostly.

for some videos in hypptv, android apps, netflix, i use STD with brightness reduced. a bluish tone.

if you want more birghtness, tried full brightness setting under control (not eco1 or eco2)?

i'm on eco1. full will be too bright for me. eco2 is good some some videos, but too dull for others.


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lol i just got the Sharp 58 inch...
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Wrong thread but does any sifu here know how to fix this toshiba 40pb200em with black lines all over?

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Done the usual troubleshooting like picture reset, HDMI & Power cable swap, Source checks, etc? Can be repaired if you get the right repairer & replacement parts.. Lines are called.. "Defects".
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Yup, I bought from that shop for rm5.3k for 58".
The addition 3 years warranty makes it more worth then the other shop selling at Rm5k.
Another guy was there and was also looking at the same deal.
In the end both of us grab this as we feel paying rm300 plus for additional 3 years of warranty is worth it. So got a 2 + 3 years warranty. Total 5 years warranty.
Somemore the warranty is direct from the Manufacture.

Also bought a gas stove to replace a faulty one at home. So got maximum discount on that. smile.gif

Will share later the week once I get it on Monday.

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can share the shop name?
surveying for tv now too, considering 58'' ue630x, sharp lc60le90x and philips 65'' 6909. Any recommendation? I just checked on Aeon big mid valley yesterday, 58'' ue630x is selling at whopping RM7099. Such a huge difference compare to your price.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 21 2016, 04:12 PM)
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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.
not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif
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Hi, it seems this 630x is good. How about Sharp's service, ie if in future any thing goes wrong with the unit and it needs service, is Sharp having a good record or reputation? How many years of warranty for this model? So far, what I heard and experienced is that Panasonic's service is really good, don't know much about Sharp.
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QUOTE(t1231 @ Feb 28 2016, 07:27 AM)
Hi, it seems this 630x is good. How about Sharp's service, ie if in future any thing goes wrong with the unit and it needs service, is Sharp having a good record or reputation? How many years of warranty for this model? So far, what I heard and experienced is that Panasonic's service is really good, don't know much about Sharp.
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Currently, SHARP is being bought over by Foxconn. $6 billion deal. At the moment, the deal's shaky as Foxconn isn't liking some new found information.. So support future-wise, yet unknown. Don't let that put you off buying a SHARP TV if you like it.. We are not talking shares here.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 28 2016, 09:16 AM)
Currently, SHARP is being bought over by Foxconn. $6 billion deal. At the moment, the deal's shaky as Foxconn isn't liking some new found information.. So support future-wise, yet unknown. Don't let that put you off buying a SHARP TV if you like it.. We are not talking shares here..  tongue.gif
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Nonsense.

Does what happen in the foxconn deal
Will affect the sharp tv in my house??

Electronic product is very easy to compare.

But i think 7k for tv is not a good deal.
I would go for a 3.5k fhd projector
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Feb 28 2016, 09:21 AM)
Nonsense.

Does what happen in the foxconn deal
Will affect the sharp tv in my house??

Electronic product is very easy to compare.

But i think 7k for tv is not a good deal.
I would go for a 3.5k fhd projector
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Makes so much sense...

Yes it does, if the new buyer decides to shutdown the TV manufacturing & support section.. In case you are unaware; Currently, Sharp supplies Apple with LCD displays for iPhones in addition to being a leading television maker and selling audio equipment, home appliances and more. The company has fallen on hard times recently, incurring a net loss of nearly $1.9 billion in the fiscal year ending March 2015. It also must repay $4.3 billion it had borrowed by March; Foxconn reportedly was willing to take on the debt. Foxconn isn't stupid to take on such debts without having an ulterior motive in place.. More so, when they are the ones who assemble Apple's products.. Link that if you can.. So yes, future support wise, it will affect your TV (should it develop a serious issue) if Sharp is handled as Nokia was by Microsoft.. Remember that?

A good TV can belong in any living room, etc.. I doubt even the best projectors can do the same.. Besides, maybe you really like projectors, others really like TVs. So, if you are unwilling to spend 7K or more on a TV, that's just your opinion. Some are willing to spend over 20K, it's their funds & satisfaction..

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QUOTE(zlaugh @ Feb 28 2016, 03:18 AM)
can share the shop name?
surveying for tv now too, considering 58'' ue630x, sharp lc60le90x and philips 65'' 6909. Any recommendation? I just checked on Aeon big mid valley yesterday, 58'' ue630x is selling at whopping RM7099. Such a huge difference compare to your price.
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Hi,
The shop is One Living. Same row with KFC and HLK, Onking etc
Happy hunting...

So far, I'm very happy with my UE630X.
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Hi, it seems this 630x is good. How about Sharp's service, ie if in future any thing goes wrong with the unit and it needs service, is Sharp having a good record or reputation? How many years of warranty for this model? So far, what I heard and experienced is that Panasonic's service is really good, don't know much about Sharp.
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i am not concerned with the foxconn-sharp acquisition. such biz deals happen all the time and does not change issues like warranty that quickly. moreover, sharp warranty is only 2 yrs, the extended yrs are usually by insurance co. i have bought 5 sharp tv's in my life, never had any issue with them for years.

since u r thinking of some android box, this sharp ue630x comes with a pretty good built in android. u can start getting to know such a feature with the tv. the difficulty is u r starting from scratch with little help whereas if u buy a box, the seller can help u. but androids are androids - they all work the same way whether in a tv, box, tablet or mobile phone - should not be hard to find someone to help u.

ue630x base price, i think now should be... 50" <rm4k, 58" <6k, 65" <8k.

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QUOTE(zlaugh @ Feb 28 2016, 03:18 AM)
can share the shop name?
surveying for tv now too, considering 58'' ue630x, sharp lc60le90x and philips 65'' 6909. Any recommendation? I just checked on Aeon big mid valley yesterday, 58'' ue630x is selling at whopping RM7099. Such a huge difference compare to your price.
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I may be letting go my Sharp 630x at rm4k+, any suitors for this few weeks old tv feel free to pm me.
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Hi,
The shop is One Living. Same row with KFC and HLK, Onking etc
Happy hunting...

So far, I'm very happy with my UE630X.
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Eh, i also bought from One Living but Puchong branch with around the same price biggrin.gif
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I may be letting go my Sharp 630x at rm4k+, any suitors for this few weeks old tv feel free to pm me.
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May I know why?

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May I know why?
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His response earlier...

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 12 2016, 07:42 AM)
I do like the picture quality but wish to have a bigger unit due to viewing distance. My sofa is around 15-16 feet away. I've temporarily pushed the sofa nearer to compensate.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 28 2016, 09:16 AM)
Currently, SHARP is being bought over by Foxconn. $6 billion deal. At the moment, the deal's shaky as Foxconn isn't liking some new found information.. So support future-wise, yet unknown. Don't let that put you off buying a SHARP TV if you like it.. We are not talking shares here..  tongue.gif
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I'm not concerned art all about their share issues,i only care about warranty and future technical support.
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i am not concerned with the foxconn-sharp acquisition. such biz deals happen all the time and does not change issues like warranty that quickly. moreover, sharp warranty is only 2 yrs, the extended yrs are usually by insurance co. i have bought 5 sharp tv's in my life, never had any issue with them for years.

since u r thinking of some android box, this sharp ue630x comes with a pretty good built in android. u can start getting to know such a feature with the tv. the difficulty is u r starting from scratch with little help whereas if u buy a box, the seller can help u. but androids are androids - they all work the same way whether in a tv, box, tablet or mobile phone - should not be hard to find someone to help u.

ue630x base price, i think now should be... 50" <rm4k, 58" <6k, 65" <8k.
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Wow,5 Sharp tv's and not a single problem, that's very remarkable, and reassuring! So if my Toshiba 40 inch is now having display problem, does it reflect Toshiba's norm? Or is it just my bad luck?

A side question. How about power consumption moving from a 40 " to 50"+? On a 6-hour per day basis (my mother is hooked on it). We never do any extra power meter tweak (you should know what I mean), so this is a concern for me also.

Tqvm
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QUOTE(t1231 @ Feb 28 2016, 04:48 PM)
Wow,5 Sharp tv's and not a single problem, that's very remarkable, and reassuring! So if my Toshiba 40 inch is now having display problem, does it reflect Toshiba's norm? Or is it just my bad luck?

A side question. How about power consumption moving from a 40 " to 50"+? On a 6-hour per day basis (my mother is hooked on it). We never do any extra power meter tweak (you should know what I mean), so this is a concern for me also.

Tqvm
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My experience is sharp tv's are reliable. Can't say for other as I have not used them.

Power consumption, no worry. Latest led back lit ones are efficient will not be more than LEDs.

Also, this 4K tv is cool, can't feel the heat at all!

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I'm not concerned art all about their share issues,i only care about warranty and future technical support.
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Understood.. Well, that depends on what happens or is decided within the next few months. For most, it's not much of an issue, especially since most TVs come with either 1 or 2 years manufacturer warranty. I'm no expert but, a full scale down won't be happening in 2 years. So to be safe, get an extended warranty.. Most are backed by the stores themselves.. I.e. H.N.

QUOTE(t1231 @ Feb 28 2016, 04:48 PM)
Wow,5 Sharp tv's and not a single problem, that's very remarkable, and reassuring! So if my Toshiba 40 inch is now having display problem, does it reflect Toshiba's norm? Or is it just my bad luck?

A side question. How about power consumption moving from a 40 " to 50"+? On a 6-hour per day basis (my mother is hooked on it). We never do any extra power meter tweak (you should know what I mean), so this is a concern for me also.

Tqvm
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Probably just bad luck.. In every production batch, there'll be a few "lemons". For example, I have a 21" Samsung 1080p TV that has been in use for over 6 years. Currently using it as a monitor & it's had zero issues. Same with the living room TV that's just over a year old.. (knocks on wood). Fairly certain that there are Samsung TV users out there, that have sworn off Samsung TVs due to manufacturing defects.. Big brands like Samsung, Sharp, LG, Sony, Dell, etc are okay, as they have decent QC.

As for power consumption, TVs of today even while on standby mode, are quite energy efficient, particularly when compared with Plasma or the much older CRT tech. So no worries there.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 28 2016, 10:51 AM)
i am not concerned with the foxconn-sharp acquisition. such biz deals happen all the time and does not change issues like warranty that quickly. moreover, sharp warranty is only 2 yrs, the extended yrs are usually by insurance co. i have bought 5 sharp tv's in my life, never had any issue with them for years.

since u r thinking of some android box, this sharp ue630x comes with a pretty good built in android. u can start getting to know such a feature with the tv. the difficulty is u r starting from scratch with little help whereas if u buy a box, the seller can help u. but androids are androids - they all work the same way whether in a tv, box, tablet or mobile phone - should not be hard to find someone to help u.

ue630x base price, i think now should be... 50" <rm4k, 58" <6k, 65" <8k.
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how about price for 65 ua330x?anybody know?
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QUOTE(gme @ Mar 3 2016, 04:41 AM)
how about price for 65 ua330x?anybody know?
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Last I checked rm7k++

630x rm8k+

Picture quality of 630x is better.
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how about price for 65 ua330x?anybody know?
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price diff should be about rm1k.

for that, there are a no. of significant differences.

the 630x has a much better android inside, 4 hdmi input instead of 2, picture quality is definitely better.

u can check the rest here:
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I wonder how the 8k models perform. Any shops have them on demo?
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As it is 4K also not much content. I don't think 8K will become mainstream anytime soon.
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Last I checked rm7k++

630x rm8k+

Picture quality of 630x is better.
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tq bro...if diference only 1k....better get 630x la..
I ingat,diferent >2k..
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price diff should be about rm1k.

for that, there are a no. of significant differences.

the 630x has a much better android inside, 4 hdmi input instead of 2, picture quality is definitely better.

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tq bro...

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why the price different 65 and 58 very big.. cry.gif
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like many things, price to size graph is not a straight line but exponential! biggrin.gif
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like many things, price to size graph is not a straight line but exponential! biggrin.gif
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why the price different 65 and 58 very big.. cry.gif
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Yes that's why I got the 58" initially, if u have a big hall better to opt for the 65". I'm upgrading to a bigger one too.
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Yes that's why I got the 58" initially, if u have a big hall better to opt for the 65". I'm upgrading to a bigger one too.
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Any of you guys have problem with the usb connection in Sharp LC58UE630X? everytime i plug my pendrive to watch in TV and plug back to PC, windows says it detected problem and need to scan. In manual it says don't insert and remove pendrive repeatedly but then it also says do not use USB cable. But we have to plug and remove everyday to watch new things from PC right? Cannot use the cable below?


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Any of you guys have problem with the usb connection in Sharp LC58UE630X? everytime i plug my pendrive to watch in TV and plug back to PC, windows says it detected problem and need to scan.  In manual it says don't insert and remove pendrive repeatedly but then it also says do not use USB cable.  But we have to plug and remove everyday to watch new things from PC right? Cannot use the cable below?
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Why don't you connect your TV to your home network (LAN) so that you can access your PC files from the TV? No need to transfer files to a hard drive and plug-in to the TV.


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Why don't you connect your TV to your home network (LAN) so that you can access your PC files from the TV? No need to transfer files to a hard drive and plug-in to the TV.
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Hmm didn't know can do that. Have to dig in manual and see how, looks complicated sweat.gif
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Hmm didn't know can do that.  Have to dig in manual and see how, looks complicated  sweat.gif
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Not complicated. Just try to figure out how to turn-on DLNA server on your PC and then you should be able to access your PC files.

You can also use Plex app if you want. Install Plex media server on your PC and then on your TV install the Plex app.


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Any of you guys have problem with the usb connection in Sharp LC58UE630X? everytime i plug my pendrive to watch in TV and plug back to PC, windows says it detected problem and need to scan.  In manual it says don't insert and remove pendrive repeatedly but then it also says do not use USB cable.   But we have to plug and remove everyday to watch new things from PC right? Cannot use the cable below?
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i have been thru this, mentioned that in an earlier post - the usb playback function is not very good. while the codecs are fine in that it can play many formats incl m2ts and able to arc dts/dd, the usb player is not well developed for connectivity and navigation. not surprising as sharp is a tv maker and not a media player maker.

the usb cannot handle usb plug ins and outs repeatedly; it will show empty folder. u need to do it slowly, give it time. often, u need to switch off the tv or even cut off power completely to reset it. once u get it, it will work fine. no diff with tumbdrives or powered hdd.

QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 4 2016, 12:11 PM)
Hmm didn't know can do that.  Have to dig in manual and see how, looks complicated  sweat.gif
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the tv can stream, but again, it does it clumsily unlike an android box.

the simplest way is to install es file explorer in the tv, set up the LAN function to access yr PC. at yr PC end, you must first allow "share with". this is basically SAMBA.

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Not complicated. Just try to figure out how to turn-on DLNA server on your PC and then you should be able to access your PC files.

You can also use Plex app if you want. Install Plex media server on your PC and then on your TV install the Plex app.
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i have been thru this, mentioned that in an earlier post - the usb playback function is not very good. while the codecs are fine in that it can play many formats incl m2ts and able to arc dts/dd, the usb player is not well developed for connectivity and navigation. not surprising as sharp is a tv maker and not a media player maker.

the usb cannot handle usb plug ins and outs repeatedly; it will show empty folder. u need to do it slowly, give it time. often, u need to switch off the tv or even cut off power completely to reset it. once u get it, it will work fine. no diff with tumbdrives or powered hdd.
the tv can stream, but again, it does it clumsily unlike an android box.

the simplest way is to install es file explorer in the tv, set up the LAN function to access yr PC. at yr PC end, you must first allow "share with". this is basically SAMBA.
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Thanks for the tips guys, will attempt to do that when i have the time...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 4 2016, 02:19 PM)
i have been thru this, mentioned that in an earlier post - the usb playback function is not very good. while the codecs are fine in that it can play many formats incl m2ts and able to arc dts/dd, the usb player is not well developed for connectivity and navigation. not surprising as sharp is a tv maker and not a media player maker.

the usb cannot handle usb plug ins and outs repeatedly; it will show empty folder. u need to do it slowly, give it time. often, u need to switch off the tv or even cut off power completely to reset it. once u get it, it will work fine. no diff with tumbdrives or powered hdd.
the tv can stream, but again, it does it clumsily unlike an android box.

the simplest way is to install es file explorer in the tv, set up the LAN function to access yr PC. at yr PC end, you must first allow "share with". this is basically SAMBA.
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Sounds like Sharp really screwed up there huh.. On the older Samsung Smart hub here, it handles USB drives & media playback beautifully. Upon plug in, a popup appears on screen asking how to view the plugged in device: As Files (regular explorer style), Pictures (gallery) or Videos (Thumbnails with scrolling images from within each media file). No lag, also HDMI-ARC, DTS/DD detection just works. After playback or if one simply wants to disconnect, simply press the Source button repeatedly till the drive is selected, hold down on the enter button to dismount the drive safely, a confirmation notice appears to that effect, the drive can now be unplugged safely.. Alternatively, it also performs a safe eject when the TV is placed in standby mode.. I've performed either method, hundreds of times, with multiple drives & never had any issues.. Hopefully, it's incorporated & performs better in the newer Tizen OS. The Android TV OS is supposed to be smarter.

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even on my older non-smart sharp but with usb playback, it is better, much like other players. mad.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 4 2016, 03:53 PM)
yes, they did with this range.

even on my older non-smart sharp but with usb playback, it is better, much like other players. mad.gif
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hmm.gif hmm.gif Perhaps, they were in a hurry to pump out 4K TVs running Android TV and didn't bother much or didn't have enough time to squash bugs like those.. Good thing is, as long as it's not hardware limited, such issues might be rectified with an OTA firmware update.

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hmm.gif  hmm.gif Perhaps, they were in a hurry to pump out 4K TVs and didn't bother much or didn't have enough time to squash bugs like those.. Good thing is, as long as it's not hardware limited, such issues might be rectified with an OTA firmware update.
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ya, looks like they rushed it for the new android 4k range.

new firmwares still coming, will hv to wait and see if there will be improvement.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 4 2016, 03:26 PM)
Sounds like Sharp really screwed up there huh.. On the older Samsung Smart hub here, it handles USB drives & media playback beautifully. Upon plug in, a popup appears on screen asking how to view the plugged in device: As Files (regular explorer style), Pictures (gallery) or Videos (Thumbnails with scrolling images from within each media file). No lag, also HDMI-ARC, DTS/DD detection just works. After playback or if one simply wants to disconnect, simply press the Source button repeatedly till the drive is selected, hold down on the enter button to dismount the drive safely, a confirmation notice appears to that effect, the drive can now be unplugged safely.. Alternatively, it also performs a safe eject when the TV is placed in standby mode.. I've performed either method, hundreds of times, with multiple drives & never had any issues.. Hopefully, it's incorporated & performs better in the newer Tizen OS. The Android TV OS is supposed to be smarter.
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My old 2010 Samsung pre-smart hub aTV also handles USB drives competently and can do DLNA without issues.
I realized that the Sharp had issues with USB media playback when I couldn't get my HDD to work on it in 2 different shops. All the Samsung's on the other hand, read it just fine and gave a pop up.

Well at least there are other ways to make it work via the Android TV.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 4 2016, 04:02 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif Perhaps, they were in a hurry to pump out 4K TVs running Android TV and didn't bother much or didn't have enough time to squash bugs like those.. Good thing is, as long as it's not hardware limited, such issues might be rectified with an OTA firmware update.
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I feel Android Tv is still at the early stage, still many things can be improved. For my usage to access files, Plex is a good option instead of plugging and unplugging devices.
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I feel Android Tv is still at the early stage, still many things can be improved. For my usage to access files, Plex is a good option instead of plugging and unplugging devices.
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Sure the Android TV OS is still in its early stages, however, that's not an excuse for Sharp shipping out a defective firmware. Especially since other devices like the Nvidia Shield TV box or Nexus player running Android TV, handle such issues properly.. As for Plex, it's nice and all, basically I prefer getting the full HD video and audio experience. Don't care much for network latency, transcoding, audio downmixing, PCM and extra decoding.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 4 2016, 04:13 PM)
My old 2010 Samsung pre-smart hub aTV also handles USB drives competently and can do DLNA without issues.
I realized that the Sharp had issues with USB media playback when I couldn't get my HDD to work on it in 2 different shops. All the Samsung's on the other hand, read it just fine and gave a pop up.

Well at least there are other ways to make it work via the Android TV.
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If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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if u do not have a box that can do usb playback, it's bad news.

i use the tv usb only for app installation on the tv.


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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 4 2016, 11:38 PM)
If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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Haha, it's still a good choice as future firmware updates can fix the current usb playback issues.. Still have 4K + Android TV.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 4 2016, 11:15 PM)
Sure the Android TV OS is still in its early stages, however, that's not an excuse for Sharp shipping out a defective firmware. Especially since other devices like the Nvidia Shield TV box or Nexus player running Android TV, handle such issues properly.. As for Plex, it's nice and all, basically I prefer getting the full HD video and audio experience. Don't care much for network latency, transcoding, audio downmixing, PCM and extra decoding.
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You can't get full HD video and audio with Plex?
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 4 2016, 11:15 PM)
Sure the Android TV OS is still in its early stages, however, that's not an excuse for Sharp shipping out a defective firmware. Especially since other devices like the Nvidia Shield TV box or Nexus player running Android TV, handle such issues properly.. As for Plex, it's nice and all, basically I prefer getting the full HD video and audio experience. Don't care much for network latency, transcoding, audio downmixing, PCM and extra decoding.
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Depending on your media server, plex will be limited. My nas can't handle transcoding. So I only use it to stream. It's still quite slow to use plex on tv. It's a good option but limited by server/nas capability and the tv's own processor.

The interface and meta file download is awesome though.
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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 4 2016, 11:38 PM)
If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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There is no perfect tv. You gain some and you lose some. I think your tv is good enough but has some shortcomings that can be worked around using the android tv.
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You can't get full HD video and audio with Plex?
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Nope, tried it a couple of times and wasn't satisfied with the performance.. File had 7.1 DTS-HD MA audio & I got PCM on the TV instead. I thought perhaps, Plex would have done some improvements so far, but some light reading around their forum still suggests passthrough issues.. A compatibility thing I guess.. I'll try it again.

QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 5 2016, 08:23 AM)
Depending on your media server, plex will be limited. My nas can't handle transcoding. So I only use it to stream. It's still quite slow to use plex on tv. It's a good option but limited by server/nas capability and the tv's own processor.

The interface and meta file download is awesome though.
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The UI & simplicity of how everything should work is all well and good.. For simple low bitrate videos with AC3, etc.. Media server is a gaming rig, wireless ac with full signal connection , core i7 HQ CPU, more than sufficient RAM, GPU's capable of driving at least two 4K monitors, etc.. So I don't think it's the PC... Maybe as you suggested, it's the TV (quad-core processor) or the HT.. Doesn't like what Plex's sending, tries to keep it simple instead. Forcing me to keep it simple thru USB smile.gif

I've been looking at getting a dedicated NAS unit for awhile, still can't justify the price to rewards ratio. Besides, instant streaming is the rage. Price of a 12TB NAS unit with Raid 1 setup. rclxub.gif
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I've been looking at getting a dedicated NAS unit for awhile, still can't justify the price to rewards ratio. Besides, instant streaming is the rage. Price of a 12TB NAS unit with Raid 1 setup.  rclxub.gif
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i pretty much came to that conclusion as well.

pls yell if u come across something viable!

meanwhile, i continue to make full use of existing boxes, tv's and the numerous hdd's. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 5 2016, 10:45 AM)
i pretty much came to that conclusion as well.

pls yell if u come across something viable!

meanwhile, i continue to make full use of existing boxes, tv's and the numerous hdd's. laugh.gif
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how about 65 Samsung ju6000?price?
picture quality compare to sharp 65 630x?
tq sifu2
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how about 65 Samsung ju6000?price?
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how about 65 Samsung ju6000?price?
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This is the most basic model. Pls avoid if you can. Go for 7 series and higher if you want samsung.

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For Samsung you need at least 7500 series to compare.
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tq sifu..
so, 65 ju7500 vs 65 630x,which is the best for picture quality?
I'm plasma fan... cry.gif ...not like led tv before..
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tq sifu..
so, 65 ju7500 vs 65 630x,which is the best for picture quality?
I'm plasma fan... cry.gif ...not like led tv before..
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Next week the 8k TV from Sharp will be available for viewing at Harvey Norman. If you have budget can consider checking it out .. Rm30k for 70".
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i think ESH SS2 already has a display unit... somehow i was told they offer 5 years warranty from sharp directly.
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tq sifu..
so, 65 ju7500 vs 65 630x,which is the best for picture quality?
I'm plasma fan... cry.gif ...not like led tv before..
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Then you will have to go for oled or high end leds like the JS9000. You may not be satisfied with mid end leds.
Anyway best for you to check yourself and fund out what looks good to you.
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Next week the 8k TV from Sharp will be available for viewing at Harvey Norman. If you have budget can consider checking it out .. Rm30k for 70".
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Then you will have to go for oled or high end leds like the JS9000. You may not be satisfied with mid end leds.
Anyway best for you to check yourself and fund out what looks good to you.
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sharp or sony. no to toshiba, they're having an internal issues now.
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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 4 2016, 11:38 PM)
If like that I choose wrong tv liao haha, should have get samsung. When I started to research I was looking for lcd to do 3 main things, watch astro, watch youtube and play files from pendrive on that order
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i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.


one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif

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i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.
one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif
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That's good news and useful for future buyers smile.gif

I think tv manufacturers are moving towards the smart functions and are leaving the old USB playback via built-in media player behind. Even my Samsung JS7200's USB media player is mediocre compared to using DLNA servers and files supported is much less compared to DLNA. I guess using apps is the way to go and forget about using native players.
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Have to compromise somewhere. I think there are good options in the mid-end with the Sharp 630X, Samsung JS7200 and Panasonic CX600 / CX700. The sharp has better black levels, the samsung & pana have WCG so the colours are amazing but they are both IPS so black levels are not so good. If your budget allows it the Sony X8500C is amazing but pricey (but cheaper than other Samsung & Sony high end LEDs).

In high-end LEDs it's all between Samsung & Sony now. But the price is so close to OLED that one might as well consider OLEDs. Mid-end there are more models to consider but with Philips & Toshiba not releasing new models for 2015, there is only Samsung, Panasonic & Sharp to consider. Sony all priced at a premium.

Did I miss out anything?

Anyone wants to provide reviews for Xiaomi & Hisense which are the budget segment?




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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 01:42 AM)
i got good news for you - i found a way to playback usb on the tv reliably! biggrin.gif

i spent a couple of hours reading anything i could find on the subject then tried a few things.

the answer is two fold:

.. DO NOT use usb1 (at the side, left) - i think this drive is usb3.0, blue in color, may be too sensitive to plug ins and outs, diff hdd's, etc. use one of the other 2 at the back which looks like usb2.0 to me.

.. DO NOT use native player. use... KODI! thumbup.gif just install direct from playstore, version jarvis 16.0.

you can then play with video->files->sdcard; the hdd folders will show. and if u r familiar with kodi, it's easy to navigate, get subs, etc.

i tried all 3 usb drives, tried Kodi, VLC, MX, ES file explorer. Kodi is by far, the best.

i never liked using kodi for usb playback on my boxes since the native players are easier to use and superior for hd audio pass thru. so, here, i finally get to use it that way! laugh.gif

one more thing - don't worry about usb extension cables. i tried it, no problem. and chances are it will be required since the usb2 and 3 ports are somewhat hidden at the back.
one thing clear to me now is this sharp ue630x... while the android inside is pretty good, the usb drive/player is poor. strange they try to stinge on that. anyway, glad there is an acceptable solution. wink.gif
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Wah, that good news indeed. Yaloh you might be right about Usb 2 and 3, never thought to try out the other two. Thanks!!! But let me see if I can replicate your success b4 I celebrate haha
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Wah, that good news indeed. Yaloh you might be right about Usb 2 and 3, never thought to try out the other two. Thanks!!! But let me see if I can replicate your success b4 I celebrate haha
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yes, try it.

it is still possible an hdd cannot be read, i have one like that.

likely the formatting, sensitive usb drive. biggrin.gif

but overall, can use.



i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.



the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 07:15 PM)
tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.
the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 07:15 PM)
tested this... no good.

kodi 16.0 jarvis struggles with 4k over wifi on this tv. buffers a lot.

kodi can playback 4k files on tv's usb, no problem.
the fact that the tv can do netflix 4k over wifi and my other android box's native player can do 4k over wifi says kodi 16.0 jarvis is not ready for 4k wifi.
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Not really, for one, Netflix doesn't push anything close to true 4K. Jarvis can handle true 4K content streaming over Wifi.. So it's more like, either the TV can't handle it or at minimum the Wifi adapter can't handle it.. You can try the RC1. Plus, should be using Ethernet for the TV for optimal results.
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Not really, for one, Netflix doesn't push anything close to true 4K. Jarvis can handle true 4K content streaming over Wifi.. So it's more like, either the TV can't handle it or at minimum the Wifi adapter can't handle it.. You can try the RC1. Plus, should be using Ethernet for the TV for optimal results.
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my q16 box native media center can handle same 4k files over same wifi, so...

if ethernet, wired, should be fine.

there is little 4k content now, will not pursue further at this time.

yeah, will try again with 16.1, 16.2.

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Have to compromise somewhere. I think there are good options in the mid-end with the Sharp 630X, Samsung JS7200 and Panasonic CX600 / CX700. The sharp has better black levels, the samsung & pana have WCG so the colours are amazing but they are both IPS so black levels are not so good. If your budget allows it the Sony X8500C is amazing but pricey (but cheaper than other Samsung & Sony high end LEDs).

In high-end LEDs it's all between Samsung & Sony now. But the price is so close to OLED that one might as well consider OLEDs. Mid-end there are more models to consider but with Philips & Toshiba not releasing new models for 2015, there is only Samsung, Panasonic & Sharp to consider. Sony all priced at a premium.

Did I miss out anything?

Anyone wants to provide reviews for Xiaomi & Hisense which are the budget segment?
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tq so much bro for your good information...
only 4 model in my mind now,
-Samsung 60js7200
-Samsung 65ju7500
-sharp 58 or 65 630x
-sharp 65 330x
bro..is it this model have hdr or only 4k? blush.gif
what is different js vs ju Samsung model..
tq master..
just google sony website...
wow...sony s85c-4k hdr
anobody now the price for 65"..tq

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tq so much bro for your good information...
only 4 model in my mind now,
-Samsung 60js7200
-Samsung 65ju7500
-sharp 58 or 65 630x
-sharp 65 330x
bro..is it this model have hdr or only 4k? blush.gif
what is different js vs ju Samsung model..
tq master..
just google sony website...
wow...sony s85c-4k hdr
anobody now the price for 65"..tq
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Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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congrats...
I am still thinking of Sony KD49X8300C or Sharp 50UE630X. Good thing about the sony is its not too bright and 800motion flow,
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Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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if u hv not tried...

two ways to deal with that:

.. go to tv settings, control, set to eco1 or eco2 - these will lower the overall brightness.

.. tv setup, try all the presets std, movie, dynamic, etc. can adjust the parameters for each default setting.

yes, it will come across a bright becos of "black should be black, white should be white"! biggrin.gif

and u will get used to it very quickly.


this tv delivers its best when playing bluray/bdmv/uhd4k videos.
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 01:56 PM)
Hi guys, i just bought the Sharp 50UE630X for rm3.5k, picture quality is awesome! Yet to explore all the features. However, i find the brightness is too bright at times =D
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That's weird I find mine not bright enough .. But I didn't adjust the brightness just left it at default. Maybe it's because I'm using it in the living room and a lot of sunlight especially during daytime and noon.
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Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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What do you think of the choice between the Samsung 60" J6200 and Sony 65" W850C?

Perhaps not really comparable but I have shortlisted down to these as I dont really need 4k. The Sony is much more expensive than the Samsung (average now is RM6.1k vs RM4.5k) for the mere increase of size. I think the Samsung picture quality is fine, just that the bezel is thicker and not so thin.

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Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Last week, harvey norman is having deals of the week for sony tv 50W800C for RM2,979, full hd android tv. I nearly bought that tv. Once i saw sharp's 630X, i immediately change my mind =D

@DannyOP The tv's screen is not matte instead reflective, so with bright sunlight, the brightness will not good. So i always close the curtain while watching tv. Maybe you try to off OPC function.
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Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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pc mode... way too bright to watch a movie.

i like movie setting best.

maybe u can adjust the movie settings to be closer to pc settings to see if u find a nice spot there.

and yes, the red, green colors are exceptional.
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@Dage Maybe u can try to read the reviews from Rtings

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x830c

Seems ok for video games but not so for movies
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:34 PM)
Last week, harvey norman is having deals of the week for sony tv 50W800C for RM2,979, full hd android tv. I nearly bought that tv. Once i saw sharp's 630X, i immediately change my mind =D

@DannyOP The tv's screen is not matte instead reflective, so with bright sunlight, the brightness will not good. So i always close the curtain while watching tv. Maybe you try to off OPC function.
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Good choice, so far all the owners of 630X have no regrets in terms of picture quality vs price.

It's not easy to get 4k, good black levels, Andriod TV and decently priced TV in one set.
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@AVFAN Thanks for the suggestion, shall try it tonight!

@DannyOP, Totally agree! i tried to compare Xiaomi mi TV 2 55inch as well. Directd selling RM3,999 with sound bar, but no warranty.
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@AVFAN Thanks for the suggestion, shall try it tonight!

@DannyOP, Totally agree! i tried to compare Xiaomi mi TV 2 55inch as well. Directd selling RM3,999 with sound bar, but no warranty.
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i was an early user of sharp 1080p lcd. that 42" cost me rm5k 8 yrs ago.

now, rm3.5k for sharp 50ue630x.

depr rm, bigger tv, 4k, android...

apa lagi mau?! laugh.gif


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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Full length movies of that size are geared towards smaller screens like laptops and cell phones... IMO, i don't consider them "full HD" and playing such on the big screen TV, a 4k TV is considered (in my books) an abomination.. tongue.gif . Nothing wrong with the TV's upscaler per say.. Just that movie files of that size have very low video bitrates; there's only so much extra processing and filling in, the upscaling engine can do. Bet you, there are 1280 x 720p files that look much better.
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What do you think of the choice between the Samsung 60" J6200 and Sony 65" W850C?

Perhaps not really comparable but I have shortlisted down to these as I dont really need 4k. The Sony is much more expensive than the Samsung (average now is RM6.1k vs RM4.5k) for the mere increase of size. I think the Samsung picture quality is fine, just that the bezel is thicker and not so thin.
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Between those 2 the Sony of course, but whether the price difference is worth it is another matter altogether.
Samsung no longer had high end 1080p for 2015 models. The J6200 is their top HD model but it is more of a mid-range TV.

The W850C is Sony's top HD model (I haven't seen a W9XXC although there is supposed to be one - so I am assuming here) and Sony had much more HD models in 2015.

Personally I will not buy a HD TV now unless the price is really good. On the other hand some may also think to get the best HD tv they can afford coz everyone is no longer selling these TVs. If you see Sony's 2016 line-up there are only 2 HD models and they are only available up to 48 inches. So the W850C is the best HD TV currently available (excluding Oled).

While the W850C is very good for a HD tv, it does not compare to even a mid-end 4K TV. 4K tvs are just awesome and for 6k+ you should be able to find a reasonably good one like the Sharp UE630X or Panasonic CX600.

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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Since you have a 4K tv now, you need to get bigger files which have higher resolution. 1.4GB is probably not even 720p. More like DVD resolution 720 x 576.

4K - 8.3 mil pixels
HD - 2.1 mil pixesl
720p - 922k pixels
DVD - 346k pixels

DVD resolution to 4K is 24 times more pixels. The TV cannot do wonders to upscale 24 times and compensate for details which are non-existent. You need at least 720p for it to look ok. 1080p should look great.


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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D
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ah, i missed this bit...

it is doing injustice to the tv to play these small files. tongue.gif

high time u start to collect min 10gb files.

at the top, get 40-50gb bdmv files - these come out best on yr tv.
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Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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@AVFAV, voncrane, jdgobio Thanks for the input! hahah, i shall utilise more on my unifi 30. Most of the time, i wanted to watch a movie fast, so i go and download smaller file size movies =D

I tried installing kodi on the tv, however, i cant get DD or DTS through HDMI ARC to my AVR. I'm sure the movie file contain true HD audio. May i know what is the settings for it? I don wanna plug in optical cable just for the DD or DTS, there is enough cable running through my tv cabinet =D
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@AVFAV, voncrane, jdgobio Thanks for the input! hahah, i shall utilise more on my unifi 30. Most of the time, i wanted to watch a movie fast, so i go and download smaller file size movies =D

I tried installing kodi on the tv, however, i cant get DD or DTS through HDMI ARC to my AVR. I'm sure the movie file contain true HD audio. May i know what is the settings for it? I don wanna plug in optical cable just for the DD or DTS, there is enough cable running through my tv cabinet =D
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the hdmi arc will not give dd/dts with kodi online streams.

neither will optical output.

same if playback hdd via kodi.

same if playing with any other player - mx, vlc...



as far as my testing goes, the dd/dts arc only works if u playback with tv native player.

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@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 9 2016, 10:33 AM)
the hdmi arc will not give dd/dts with kodi online streams.

neither will optical output.

same if playback hdd via kodi.

same if playing with any other player - mx, vlc...
as far as my testing goes, the dd/dts arc only works if u playback with tv native player.
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Well that sucks.. So even Netflix's DD isn't passed through HDMI-ARC or Toslink? shocking.gif
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@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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what is this film mode? where to activate it?
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Well that sucks.. So even Netflix's DD isn't passed through HDMI-ARC or Toslink?  shocking.gif
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netflix does, that's fine.

but not for kodi.

i think netflix is using the tv native player.

in tv info like android type, build etc., netflix version is inscribed in it - hence the certification, i suppose.
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Hi AVFAN, the film mode is activated by going through the following:
1. Press home button (android tv main page)
2. Scroll down to settings (gear icon)
3. Scroll down to tv setup
4. On the first column, select advance
5. There you will see film mode

I believe the film mode activate the motion thingy...like the Sony motion flow thingy
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 9 2016, 11:02 AM)
@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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Soap Opera Motion? I'm not a fan.. Had extra motion processing disabled on a Samsung.. Don't need the fluidity..
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@voncrane hahaha, yea, soap opera effect...so i turned it off...too fluid..like watching computer generated movie.

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Hi AVFAN, the film mode is activated by going through the following:
1. Press home button (android tv main page)
2. Scroll down to settings (gear icon)
3. Scroll down to tv setup
4. On the first column, select advance
5. There you will see film mode

I believe the film mode activate the motion thingy...like the Sony motion flow thingy
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ah, that one... tried it before, unimpressed... biggrin.gif
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Between those 2 the Sony of course, but whether the price difference is worth it is another matter altogether.
Samsung no longer had high end 1080p for 2015 models. The J6200 is their top HD model but it is more of a mid-range TV.

The W850C is Sony's top HD model (I haven't seen a W9XXC although there is supposed to be one - so I am assuming here) and Sony had much more HD models in 2015.

Personally I will not buy a HD TV now unless the price is really good. On the other hand some may also think to get the best HD tv they can afford coz everyone is no longer selling these TVs. If you see Sony's 2016 line-up there are only 2 HD models and they are only available up to 48 inches. So the W850C is the best HD TV currently available (excluding Oled).

While the W850C is very good for a HD tv, it does not compare to even a mid-end 4K TV. 4K tvs are just awesome and for 6k+ you should be able to find a reasonably good one like the Sharp UE630X or Panasonic CX600.
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I been reading that 4k is pointless as

1) you normally do not sit close enough or the size not big enough
2) there is not much 4k content now

I been watching 720p movies (as download sizes are smaller) on my PC so going HD is still upgrade for me

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QUOTE(andrewlimkn @ Mar 10 2016, 11:57 AM)
I been reading that 4k is pointless as

1) you normally do not sit close enough or the size not big enough
2) there is not much 4k content now

I been watching 720p movies (as download sizes are smaller) on my PC so going HD is still upgrade for me
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Rather than reading about it, why not check it out yourself and then decide? Let your eyes be the judge and if you see no difference then you have nothing to lose by foregoing 4K. Those of us here who have a good 4K tv will all vouch for the superior viewing experience of 4K Tvs.

On the distance, sitting nearer and getting a big TV is the new normal. If for some reason you can't sit nearer or can only have a small tv, then good for you coz you can then save money by not splashing it on a big 4K Tv.

On the content, yes there is not much content right now but your other 1080p content (provided it's high bitrate file / bluray disc) will look so amazing with details & colour you never realized was there before. And content will only increase from now onwards, do you want your brand new TV to downscale it to 1080p? Again it depends on whether you can see a difference in the first place. If you can't, just be happy that you don't need to waste money on a 4K tv like those who can see a difference.

Remember that when we are talking about a 4K Tv, we are talking about the whole package and not just about the resolution. The resolution by itself makes very minimal difference, but everything else makes a big enough difference. So if you are budget constrained to getting the entry level models, don't bother going 4K. Get at least a mid-level one or go for high end HD tv (whatever remains from prior years).

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Hi friends I'm looking for 50-55inch led tv below 3k price tag..few days ago i saw Toshiba 50l5550 in senheng quite impressive for the price RM2800 after member discount...but they didn't have l9450 model...im looking for credit card 0% interest ezy payment...so any suggestion the price looks ok or high..any other shop recommendation...in other post i see l9450 price is rm2900 still the promotion on and got 0% interest ezy payment...tq 😊
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QUOTE(andrewlimkn @ Mar 10 2016, 11:57 AM)
I been reading that 4k is pointless as

1) you normally do not sit close enough or the size not big enough
2) there is not much 4k content now

I been watching 720p movies (as download sizes are smaller) on my PC so going HD is still upgrade for me
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"hd" = 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

4K or UHD:

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3840 pixels
4K UHD is a resolution of 3840 pixels × 2160 lines (8.3 megapixels, aspect ratio 16:9) and is one of the two resolutions of ultra high definition television targeted towards consumer television, the other being 8K UHD which is 7680 pixels × 4320 lines (33.2 megapixels).


a 4k TV is not worth it you play mainly DVD's, 720p and 1080i (astro and hypptv).

a 4k TV is very good if you play mainly BD (bluray discs), 1080p, 2160p and BDMV (40-50GB) videos. besides uhd4k videos, of course.

typically, a 4K tv comes with good upscaling, improves any video better than a standard HD TV in terms of details clarity and color vibrancy.

so, do choose correctly for now and the near future and within yr budget.

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QUOTE(sivanathan04 @ Mar 10 2016, 02:02 PM)
Hi friends I'm looking for 50-55inch led tv below 3k price tag..few days ago i saw Toshiba 50l5550 in senheng quite impressive for the price RM2800 after member discount...but they didn't have l9450 model...im looking for credit card 0% interest ezy payment...so any suggestion the price looks ok or high..any other shop recommendation...in other post i see l9450 price is rm2900 still the promotion on and got 0% interest ezy payment...tq 😊
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Hi.. Buddy.. Not being rude or anything, however, might want to recheck the title of this thread... Thy current budget is err... shakehead.gif

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Hi guys & sifu's

1st of all sorry if this post in wrong thread
Need some advice on choosing an entry level 4k tv or a high end FHD tv.
Saw this at Lazada at RM6288 (http://www.lazada.com.my/sharp-lc60le90x-quattron-pro-3d-internet-4k-ready-led-tv-60-inch-black-2337073.html)
Went to courts mamoth usj yasterday and saw Sharp LC60LE90X model selling for RM3900++ (after disc & its cash price )Need somne opinion on it.Saw other 4K tv selling in the range of near 5k above .
From my observation the PQ is superb and natural.Sound system also great and with alot of hdmi ports,Ethernet, wifi .dlna ,bluetooth and also its 3d.
In the specs sheet it shows Resolution 1,920 x 4 x 1,080 .Does it mean that it can upscale content to near 4K ?What doest it mean by 4k-ready ?
Anyone have experience with this model ?
BTW what is the price range for LC50UA330x and LC58UE630x ?
Im going for Court's installment plan .
My content Hyptv Unfi 30mbps .1080p,BRay and mkv's .

Your opinion/advise is much appreciated TQ

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QUOTE(otromen77 @ Mar 11 2016, 08:48 AM)
Hi guys & sifu's

1st of all sorry if this post in wrong thread
Need some advice on choosing an entry level 4k tv or a high end FHD tv.
Saw this at Lazada at RM6288 (http://www.lazada.com.my/sharp-lc60le90x-quattron-pro-3d-internet-4k-ready-led-tv-60-inch-black-2337073.html)
Went to courts mamoth usj yasterday and saw Sharp LC60LE90X model selling for RM3900++ (after disc & its cash price )Need somne opinion on it.Saw other 4K tv selling in the range of near 5k above .
From my observation the PQ is superb and natural.Sound system also great and with alot of hdmi ports,Ethernet, wifi .dlna ,bluetooth and also its 3d.
In the specs sheet it shows Resolution 1,920 x 4 x 1,080 .Does it mean that it can upscale content to near 4K ?What doest it mean by 4k-ready ?
Anyone have experience with this model ?
BTW what is the price range for LC50UA330x and LC58UE630x ?
Im going for Court's installment plan .
My content Hyptv Unfi 30mbps .1080p,BRay and mkv's .

Your opinion/advise is much appreciated TQ
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LE90X is not a 4K tv. It's only a FHD tv with some bullshit marketing about 4K ready. That being said, it's a reasonably good FHD tv with THX certification. If you are happy with the PQ, just get it and be happy. 3.9k for this TV is a good deal, a few months ago the cheapest I saw was 4.8k.

You can get the 58UE630X for 5k+ and the 65UE630X for 7k+
Better stay away from UA330X as it's an entry level model.

Edit:
I tried not to write this but I can't hold myself back. If you need to buy a TV on instalments, it means that you can't afford it. I know it sounds harsh but many people get into financial trouble by buying things that they don't need and can't afford. If you really want it, save money until you can afford buy it.

I don't know your financial situation and whether you really "need" a TV (coz the old one broke) or you just "want" it (coz it looks good). But I just want you to rethink the reasons properly before committing to this financial burden.





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In terms of upscalling is the 4k panel much better than this LC6090X?
On the smart TV function is any better than Samsung or lg webOS? Is the PQ as good as Sharp Kuro?
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Got no intention to get new TV but last week my 10 years ol 32 Toshiba lcd tv died and make me thinking to upgrade. Financially I'm ok Coz I'm only taking short term installment only. I'm not investing f sup expensive TV just nice t o compliment my br.mkv and 1080p content

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My content Hyptv Unfi 30mbps .1080p,BRay and mkv's .
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90x is full HD 1920x1080 but has 3D, limited internet features.
330x is a 4kTV 3840x2160; no 3D, no internet capability.
630x is a 4KTV; no 3D, full android/internet capability.

if into 3D, the choice is obvious.
if not into 3D and not into internet/android, 330x can be a decent choice.

if not into 3D but into android, 630x is the best choice.
if planning to get Netflix HD/UHD4K, 630x is the only choice.
1080p/BD/BDMV comes our v good with the 630x upscaling.

of course, the price/budget factor is also impt.
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In terms of upscalling is the 4k panel much better than this LC6090X?
On the smart TV function is any better than Samsung or lg webOS? Is the PQ as good as Sharp Kuro?
Edited :
Got no intention to get new TV but last week my 10 years ol 32 Toshiba lcd tv died and make me thinking to upgrade. Financially I'm ok Coz I'm only taking short term installment only. I'm not investing f sup expensive TV just nice t o compliment my br.mkv and 1080p content
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how do u play yr 1080p/mkv/BR files now?

ever used an android phone, tablet or box?
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Currently using my pc. Mbp and also raspberry pi 2 running kodi steaming content my 8TB NAS
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Currently using my pc. Mbp and also raspberry pi 2 running kodi steaming content my 8TB NAS
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i see...

if u hv no plans to go android but keep to current, the 630x may not be put to good use.

and if just to replace 32" tv at lowest cost, why not consider a smaller size but same range as the 90x?
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I just got new Sharp 50 inch. Should i perform the software update now or there's no difference whether i do it or not?
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I just got new Sharp 50 inch. Should i perform the software update now or there's no difference whether i do it or not?
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i always update.

what model is this?
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i always update.

what model is this?
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QUOTE(otromen77 @ Mar 11 2016, 09:59 AM)
Currently using my pc. Mbp and also raspberry pi 2 running kodi steaming content my 8TB NAS
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Since you could figure out how to setup & maintain an RPI, you'll get the hang of the Android TV OS as well..

Heres my take about major decisions like the living room TV.... Either buy the best 1080p TV you can afford or grab a more decent 4k TV. An entry-level 4K TV can be satisfactory, but you could do better. I've heard many horror stories about Courts Mammoth's installment plans, so be careful there as the final figures may not tally with the promo price.
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I just got new Sharp 50 inch. Should i perform the software update now or there's no difference whether i do it or not?
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Yes no harm updating, you may get new features and built in app like Netflix which may not be there originally.
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I might not be upgrading my TV at least for 5 years or more or until it dies like my Toshiba (10yrs is a long time) so for me might go as big as I can now and enjoy it for 5 or more years to come. BTW it come with 2+3 years warranty
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 11 2016, 10:12 AM)
Yes no harm updating, you may get new features and built in app like Netflix which may not be there originally.
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Von crane :
Thanks on the reminder on Courts.

Any recommended site for PQ settings?


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Does that means it's also updating the firmware? Should update everytime there things to update?

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Does that means it's also updating the firmware?  Should update everytime there things to update?
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yes.

i would.

better to update everytime an update is available.

when the updates stop, u know they see no need for new firmware support... or see the tv as "obsolete"! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
yes.

i would.

better to update everytime an update is available.

when the updates stop, u know they see no need for new firmware support... or see the tv as "obsolete"! biggrin.gif
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In terms of upscalling is the 4k panel much better than this LC6090X?
On the smart TV function is any better than Samsung or lg webOS? Is the PQ as good as Sharp Kuro?
Edited :
Got no intention to get new TV but last week my 10 years ol 32 Toshiba lcd tv died and make me thinking to upgrade. Financially I'm ok Coz I'm only taking short term installment only. I'm not investing f sup expensive TV just nice t o compliment my br.mkv and 1080p content
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You cannot compare upscaling capabilities of a HD tv against a 4K tv.
Kuro is from Pioneer not Sharp. And no, none of the TVs we are discussing are as good as the Kuros. Only Oleds are better than Kuros.

Samsung's Tizen & LG's Webos are the best at the moment. Android TV has good potential but will have to wait & see how it develops. But all of them have pros & cons. None are perfect.

Noted on the financial part. Try to keep the instalmen period short and don't stretch yourself too far.



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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 11 2016, 11:24 AM)
You cannot compare upscaling capabilities of a HD tv against a 4K tv.
Kuro is from Pioneer not Sharp. And no, none of the TVs we are discussing are as good as the Kuros. Only Oleds are better than Kuros.

Samsung's Tizen & LG's Webos are the best at the moment. Android TV has good potential but will have to wait & see how it develops. But all of them have pros & cons. None are perfect.

Noted on the financial part. Try to keep the instalmen period short and don't stretch yourself too far.
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OOps.. sorry on the Kuro's ..
might going to checkup the LC50UE630X and LC58UE630X
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QUOTE(yeo2007 @ Mar 11 2016, 10:41 AM)
laugh.gif  that's the perils of All TVs.
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OOps.. sorry on the Kuro's .. 
might going to checkup the LC50UE630X and LC58UE630X
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ya, check them out. ue630x... 50, 58 or 65" are the same in terms of specs - they share the same manual.

below is my previous writeup, edited and reposted here:



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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.


not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
.. usb playback native player is not too user friendly, sensitive, cannot detect files often. but can be overcome for the most part by playing back with kodi instead of the native player.


overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif

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ya, check them out. ue630x... 50, 58 or 65" are the same in terms of specs - they share the same manual.

below is my previous writeup, edited and reposted here:
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It mean that u can install kodi on it?

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because there is an android inside the tv, and it is a good one, u can do 2 things:

.. install android apps from tv's google play - netflix, kodi, es file explorer... >100 of them but not all useful. some are paid apps, incl games.

.. allow "unknown" apps, install own apps (download from pc, copy from others...). these apps or apks work in any android. i already have most android apps in my other android box, so i just put IFLIX and a few small ones in the tv for fast easy access - mainly int'l tv stations channels.

if u r ready to venture into androids, there is an exciting world waiting for you.

the android in the tv works the same way as in an android box, may work better for certain apps due to "sharp certification", e.g. NETFLIX. but... when u buy a box, seller pre-install many apps for u whereas in the tv, u need to DIY.

can read this android box thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3126605/+1460

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 03:14 PM)
yes, try it.

it is still possible an hdd cannot be read, i have one like that.

likely the formatting, sensitive usb drive. biggrin.gif

but overall, can use.
i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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Tested all the pendrive and external HDD i have with both the usb 2 and usb 3 input. Two Kingston pendrive is readable with both usb but another one which is older (i guess 3 years plus) is not. Only two of the 3 HDD which is newer (Western Digital, 500GB and 1TB) can read. Whether i try with USB 2 or 3 input, when i plugged back to PC, Windows reported problem with drive and need to scan (pic below) BUT ONLY with Kingstone pendrive. However every scan took like 5 sec and then "Windows sucessfully scanned the drive. No errors were found". So i am really not sure whether there is actually a problem with it. i think pc only reported prob when the tv writes to it (created the two android folder). The weird thing is it only creates in pendrive and not HDD hmm.gif

I installed Kodi as you suggested although i think this a hardware problem and it's not the native player that cause the external devices to behave this way. Haven't explore it but first reaction is like the interface, glad there's resume play function compared to tv native player although it's takes like 30 sec or more to resume. It also can play a MPG file that the native player can't.

So my conclusion is ( i could be wrong) the tv should be able to read all HDD produced recently. But i only tested with Kingston and WD, other brand might produce different result laugh.gif haha

BTW the above 2 HDD only worked after the software update...

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So my conclusion is ( i could be wrong) the tv should be able to read all HDD produced recently.  But i only tested with Kingston and WD, other brand might produce different result  laugh.gif haha
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yep, i understand what u experienced, not unlike my own. biggrin.gif

if no choice, u will have to use it that way.

i have two other boxes connected to tv that can playback, so i'm ok.

conclusion - yes, there is work for sharp to do about the usb playback and native player.

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something i just discovered, hope it will help those who have ue630x and using android boxes 4k capable for playback.

for some hd videos (i have yet to determine the actual specs of these), you notice some "jerks" at certain scenes when playing back with certain boxes.

i am not sure of the reason but i think the 4k tv engine is sensitive to the input of some devices.

i have noticed some 1080p/bdmv videos gettng that if u set the box to "auto" or 1080p 60hz - the highest attainable in non-4k devices.

for this tv, u need to set the box, if available, to 2160p 24hz - that will give u the smoothest video display.

i watched a full length bdmv movie today this way, did not notice any "jerk" anymore. wink.gif



if u have never noticed anything of that sort, ignore this post! tongue.gif


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 21 2016, 04:12 PM)
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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.
not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif
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Hi guys,
been reading reviews/blogs to understand the 24fps judder issue.

Have it got anything to do with the refreshing rate of the TV. say 120hz (multiple of 24) will have no issue playing 24fps movies, but 60hz will have issue and will need the smoothing feature to smoothen it out? (am I just talking nonsense here? apologies if i just did)

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/movies/judder/24p

in this list of TVs reviewed by the website, it happens that those judder free tvs have 120hz refreshing rate.

sifus here been mentioning/recommending samsung tvs too but i thought those mostly have the judder issue?

need guidance from sifu sekalian.

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Hi guys,
been reading reviews/blogs to understand the 24fps judder issue.

Have it got anything to do with the refreshing rate of the TV. say 120hz (multiple of 24) will have no issue playing 24fps movies, but 60hz will have issue and will need the smoothing feature to smoothen it out? (am I just talking nonsense here? apologies if i just did)

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/movies/judder/24p

in this list of TVs reviewed by the website, it happens that those judder free tvs have 120hz refreshing rate.

sifus here been mentioning/recommending samsung tvs too but i thought those mostly have the judder issue?

need guidance from sifu sekalian.

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rather complex issue, it seems...

there are 3 things to consider: 1. the video, 2. the device (player) and 3. tv.

given a certain video, would it not also depend on the setting of the device as output to the tv?

for this ue630x tv (the subject of this thread), i have see judder only in two scenarios so far:

.. 1080p 24hz video->player set to 1080p 50hz->uhd tv
this will be solved when player set to 2160p 24/30hz or 1080p 60Hz.

.. 2160p 60hz video->player set to 2160p 24/30hz (60hz not available on my player)->uhd tv.
2160p 30hz video plays fine; 2160p 60hz video is rare, i believe... so it is not a real problem for now.

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A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 16 2016, 12:06 AM)
A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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One of the reasons why I'm giving the 4K industry a couple more years to gain traction before jumping in.. We'll see in, say 5 years...Tech can only get better..  smile.gif
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 16 2016, 12:06 AM)
A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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But I think 4k tv not entirely float my boat. I went to Pavillon Harvey last Fri to catch a glimpse of 4k tv. I saw Samsung SUHD, but the demo vid showed the veges looked so greenish like florescent lit veges, and also the green apples. The red color is the worst, the parrot after enhancement just looked like florescent bird.

It is digital color I would say, very high contrast and bright, but very artificial and not natural. The only good demo is night sky and night scene with good contrast, or documentary type of videos like travelling and building sites, but not for movies to show true human complexion.

I stayed there for some time even to look at new 8k sharp tv, which was slightly better. I think the hardest part for super 4k is to get the human skin tone color right. I saw patches of skin tone here and there. I also felt long term viewing induce eye fatigue. This is just my opinion, I am minority I guess.

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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 02:05 PM)
But I think 4k tv not entirely float my boat. I went to Pavillon Harvey last Fri to catch a glimpse of 4k tv. I saw Samsung SUHD, but the demo vid showed the veges looked so greenish like florescent lit veges, and also the green apples. The red color is the worst, the parrot after enhancement just looked like florescent bird.

It is digital color I would say, very high contrast and bright, but very artificial and not natural. The only good demo is night sky and night scene with good contrast, or documentary type of videos like travelling and building sites, but for movies.

I stayed there for some time even to look at new 8k sharp tv, which was slightly better. I think the hardest part for super 4k is to get the human skin tone color right. I saw patches of skin tone here and there. I also felt long term viewing induce eye fatigue. This is just my opinion, I am minority I guess.
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TVs in store are always set to torch mode (dynamic mode). You need to change it to Movie mode for you to see how the PQ is without the backlight turned to 100%. The colour looks different because you are now seeing colours which old TVs cannot reproduce but you feel they are fake coz the brightness is turned up. Get hold of the remote and change the picture mode. Always remember that TVs need to be calibrated to suit your eyes. Some like Dynamic mode and some like Natural and so on. Everyone's eye and perception of what looks good to them is different

The SUHD tv with HDR makes the pix look real like looking through a window. It is so close to reality that 3D doesn't make sense anymore and manufacturers are ditching it. But this is a still an LCD tv, so people who have had plasma TVs can see their flaws especially on motion handling.


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You raise a good valid point. But I don't think Harvey sale person is friendly enough to let me change the settings. So the only gauge is to go to expert house to have a look. For motion handling, as far as I know, this is plasma tv strong point. Are you saying SUHD tv handles motion very smooth for all videos and totally no motion blur?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 16 2016, 10:04 AM)
actually, that also depends on when yr TV kaput! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 16 2016, 11:22 AM)
Yup, what has been seen cannot be unseen.
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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 02:05 PM)
But I think 4k tv not entirely float my boat. I went to Pavillon Harvey last Fri to catch a glimpse of 4k tv. I saw Samsung SUHD, but the demo vid showed the veges looked so greenish like florescent lit veges, and also the green apples. The red color is the worst, the parrot after enhancement just looked like florescent bird.

It is digital color I would say, very high contrast and bright, but very artificial and not natural. The only good demo is night sky and night scene with good contrast, or documentary type of videos like travelling and building sites, but not for movies to show true human complexion.

I stayed there for some time even to look at new 8k sharp tv, which was slightly better. I think the hardest part for super 4k is to get the human skin tone color right. I saw patches of skin tone here and there. I also felt long term viewing induce eye fatigue. This is just my opinion, I am minority I guess.
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What jdgobio says.. That's store mode on the TV in action.. Apparently, the majority like it all bright & sparkly.. Plus, it's in the store and with all the artificial lighting, they need to be able to draw in potential customers.. Once the TV's home, then one can tweak the settings to suit the eyes & viewing environment.

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I guess you are saying the other way, plasma Tv has better motion handling than SUHD tv since it is still LCD tv. Am I right? Then what tv can give very good motion handling? I am using plasma tv actually.
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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 03:09 PM)
I guess you are saying the other way, plasma Tv has better motion handling than SUHD tv since it is still LCD tv. Am I right? Then what tv can give very good motion handling? I am using plasma tv actually.
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Yeah, I guess so. But still good to listen from the horse mouth, expert I mean. wink.gif
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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 02:52 PM)
You raise a good valid point. But I don't think Harvey sale person is friendly enough to let me change the settings. So the only gauge is to go to expert house to have a look. For motion handling, as far as I know, this is plasma tv strong point. Are you saying SUHD tv handles motion very smooth for all videos and totally no motion blur?
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HN sales people are much better than those in other retail outlets and significantly more knowledgeable than those salesmen elsewhere. But you still need to take what they say with a pinch of salt. They are "more" knowledgeable but if you do your research you can easily surpass that. Anyway, I have never had problems with requesting them to test the tv in other modes or play your own content.

You need to re-read what I said about motion handling - flaws means imperfections.
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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 03:09 PM)
I guess you are saying the other way, plasma Tv has better motion handling than SUHD tv since it is still LCD tv. Am I right? Then what tv can give very good motion handling? I am using plasma tv actually.
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Yup, you got it.

Again, this is something you have to judge yourself. Some people never notice the motion blur even in very bad tvs or it doesn't bother them. Anyway, the mid to high end LCDs are quite good in terms of motion handling but ex-plasma users are a picky bunch smile.gif
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Like voncrane mentioned, if you can afford it, go for Oled. Maybe the price for 65" have already come down to 15k now.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 16 2016, 02:54 PM)
Hey.. Don't give the TV any ideas..  shakehead.gif .. Knocks on wood. biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
Yup.. I have to force myself to look away, if I have to walk past the display units..  smile.gif
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well... just find some fault with the current tv! laugh.gif

ya, once yr eyes are hooked, no way going back. i now hardly watch at my other 6yr old lcd 1080p tv! find it too dull. biggrin.gif



having been thru it all, i would recommend anyone anytime to go for 4kTV if:

.. interested in netflix uhd/4k.
.. has a device/player that is 4k compliant 2160p 24/30hz.
.. playing mostly 1080p and bluray/bdmv videos.

for sharp ue630x owners:

i have been toying with various videos and various device playback settings. i came to the conclusion that this sharp ue630x tv delivers its best when device is set at 2160p 24hz - it is noticeable that the upscaling is best and the motion smoothest. so, if buying a device or box, get a 4k one to go with the TV!


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This is a good article to explain why if you want a good quality tv after 2015, it's likely to be a 4k -
http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-tvs-arent-stupid-anymore/
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this movie, point break 2015 (a remake of point break 1991) is a good one to play on yr ue630x.

this movie has several awesome scenes of extreme sports:

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Shooting took place in a total of 11 countries across four continents, using actual extreme sports stars and stuntmen.[17] Locations includes Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Berlin, France, Mexico, Venezuela, French Polynesia, India and the United States.[18][19] While the original film focused on just a few sports — primarily surfing — and used cranes and other Hollywood trickery to portray them, the new movie eschewed all of that, including green screens, and relied on real life practical stunts.[4] For the numerous stunts performed in the film, Core gather a group of the best snowboarders, free rock climbers, big wave surfers, high-speed motocross riders and wingsuit pilots in the world and filmed them, essentially, as actors.[7]


i had first watched a 12gb 1080p version on a fullhd tv.

then i rewatched the extreme sports scenes with a 35gb bdmv version on the ue630x. 2160p 24hz or 1080p 60hz both come out excellent.

always play the best stuff for the best equipment, a world of difference, enjoy! thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 18 2016, 07:37 PM)
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this movie, point break 2015 (a remake of point break 1991) is a good one to play on yr ue630x.

this movie has several awesome scenes of extreme sports:
i had first watched a 12gb 1080p version on a fullhd tv.

then i rewatched the extreme sports scenes with a 35gb bdmv version on the ue630x. 2160p 24hz or 1080p 60hz both come out excellent.

always play the best stuff for the best equipment, a world of difference, enjoy! thumbup.gif
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Where do u get the 35gb bdmv file?
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Hi guys, do you know what is the difference between our UE630X and UE1M other than the 3D feature?

I found out that the price for UE1M is cheaper than our 630X.

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Hi guys, do you know what is the difference between our UE630X and UE1M other than the 3D feature?

I found out that the price for UE1M is cheaper than our 630X.
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ue1m, not sold in malaysia, i think.

both ue1m and ue630x sold in singapore according to sharp-roxy sg:

https://sharp.com.sg/web/products/prodDetai...d=600&mode=Spec

looking at the specs of both models, the differences i can spot are:

ue1m vs ue630x

.. 3D vs no 3D
.. camera vs no camera
.. 3 hdmi vs 4 hdmi
.. 4 usb vs 3 usb
.. "app store" vs "google play store"
.. coaxial audio putput vs toslink audio output (and hdmi1 arc?)

and this probably explains why both ue1m and ue630x aren't that good with reading usb drives:

External HDD ready Only apply for some models: Samsung HX-M500TCB/G, HGST (TOURO), Imation IM300-1000

very close, very similar. choice will depend on whether u want 3D or not. price difference?

not sure if this is significant...

in the sharp malaysia website, ua330x which is also 4k has "4k master engine" ue630x has "4k master engine pro". this is not mentioned in the sharp sg site.

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This is the top-of-the-line 65″ UE630X series with 4K/UHD resolution and their proprietary 4K Master Engine Pro chipset. The colors are immensely rich with deep reds and vivid greens – there’s a 14% improvement over their previous flagship 4K offering and you can visibly see the difference!
http://sixthseal.com/2015/09/the-new-sharp...oid-digital-tv/
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Thanks for the summary AVFAN. I bought my UE630X for 3.5k, i saw 11street selling UE1M for 3.2k.

Yea, comes with 3D glasses as well. I think both also running Android TV i guess.

For me, the HDMI 2.0 plays an important role for tv upgrade =D, other than that i guess should be secondary.
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What panel and is it full array for the 630x? And does it have local dimming? Cant seem to find these info in sharp website. What is the flagship model for sharp 4k tv? Or 630x is the highest spec already?
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What panel and is it full array for the 630x? And does it have local dimming? Cant seem to find these info in sharp website. What is the flagship model for sharp 4k tv? Or 630x is the highest spec already?
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630x is the best for 4K... but there is 8k now:

http://www.sharp-world.com/aquos/en/4k4ctech/


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haha, we can never follow the latest technology unless we're very rich =D

I just went to this webiste below to download 4k samples to play on my tv. The file format is .encm. The tv and my pc also cannot play the file. Did you guys came across this issue before?

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?cat=demouhd
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haha, we can never follow the latest technology unless we're very rich =D

I just went to this webiste below to download 4k samples to play on my tv. The file format is .encm. The tv and my pc also cannot play the file. Did you guys came across this issue before?

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?cat=demouhd
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on PC... 1080p, 1440p OK. 2160p cannot...

should play on 4k android box players.

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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 29 2016, 10:01 PM)
haha, we can never follow the latest technology unless we're very rich =D

I just went to this webiste below to download 4k samples to play on my tv. The file format is .encm. The tv and my pc also cannot play the file. Did you guys came across this issue before?

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?cat=demouhd
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This pretty much sums up why...

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This trailer is HDR Ultra HD, so ... you need a HDR & UHD TV.

This file can be READ ONLY on a Panasonic TV (HDR + 4K) !!!


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 29 2016, 10:35 PM)
on PC... 1080p, 1440p OK. 2160p cannot...

should play on 4k android box players.
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PC can play 2160p, but I suppose it depends on your graphic card/integrated graphic chip. I think the reason the file will not play is due to the uncommon file type.
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This pretty much sums up why...
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That is so uncool of Panasonic to come up with such proprietary file/encoding formats.  mad.gif
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 29 2016, 10:01 PM)
haha, we can never follow the latest technology unless we're very rich =D

I just went to this webiste below to download 4k samples to play on my tv. The file format is .encm. The tv and my pc also cannot play the file. Did you guys came across this issue before?

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?cat=demouhd
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 30 2016, 09:27 AM)
PC can play 2160p, but I suppose it depends on your graphic card/integrated graphic chip. I think the reason the file will not play is due to the uncommon file type.
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of course. most std 1080p pc's like mine cannot do 2160p. can do max 1440p... i tried it.

that is for the mp4 files from that site, not .encm.



i also tried playing one .encm and one mp4 file on my android player.

.encm is an unrecognized format for both the native player and kodi player.

the mp4 files, can play, no problem.

but... those 4k mp4 files from the link are not very good either.

those videos are watered down, i think - the force awakens trailer does not come out better than the full bdmv i have.

for better 4k demo videos, better go get from torrents.

"timescapes" and "ses 4 k test transmission" are better ones, i tested them long time ago.




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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 30 2016, 10:34 AM)
of course. most std 1080p pc's like mine cannot do 2160p. can do max 1440p... i tried it.

that is for the mp4 files from that site, not .encm.
i also tried playing one .encm and one mp4 file on my android player.

.encm is an unrecognized format for both the native player and kodi player.

the mp4 files, can play, no problem.

but... those 4k mp4 files from the link are not very good either.

those videos are watered down, i think - the force awakens trailer does not come out better than the full bdmv i have.

for better 4k demo videos, better go get from torrents.

"timescapes" and "ses 4 k test transmission" are better ones, i tested them long time ago.
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Pls pm your source for 4k bdmv. It's getting hard to find good quality files nowadays  smile.gif
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no... not 4k bdmv, i don't have. biggrin.gif

i meant 4k demo videos and normal bdmv's.



these titles are in 4k but only on discs, i believe.
http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

they will probably be 100gb each or so.

will probably need to wait a while for all of that to come.
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4k full movies are still very rare.

there is one i suggest u test on your player (whatever box u have) and the ue630x.

sword of destiny uhd (don't ask me where to get tongue.gif ) was first shown on netflix uhd.

i watched it in hd only then. the 4k file (30gb) is surely better.

the thing i want to highlight is it will only come out good, the way it should be, if your player has 2160p 24/30hz setting.

in addition, player should be either directly connected to the ue630x or to an AVR that has 4k pass through (not 4K upscaling).

if the 4k player is set to 1080p 50/60hz (to accomodate a non-4K avr), it may still play but there will be judders.

a non-4k player will not play the file at all.



the time will come when more videos in 4k become available. that will be the time to get a new gen AVR that has UHD4K pass through and DTS:X.

things move quickly - they keep upgrading, we keep spending money! biggrin.gif

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Thanks voncrane, yeah, the encm files is only for panasonic 4k tvs ;(

Btw, do you guys connect your UE630X to a PC (HTPC)? How do you guys achieve 4k resolution @60p?

Currently my PC is connected to the tv, but running at 1080p only (using R9 280 - no HDMI 2.0 port). i feel like wanna make full use of the tv's resolution to 4k (via display port of the graphics card).

Planning to invest a display port converter to HDMI 2.0 (links below), then connect HDMI 2.0 to the tv. i have a pioneer AVR with 4k passthrough, but i guess it only allow 4k30p instead of 4k60p.

http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/...ve-adapter.html
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Planning to invest a display port converter to HDMI 2.0 (links below), then connect HDMI 2.0 to the tv. i have a pioneer AVR with 4k passthrough, but i guess it only allow 4k30p instead of 4k60p.

http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/...ve-adapter.html
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2160p 60hz... videos are rare, except maybe home made ones. for both player and avr, that's maybe 5 years out, i think.

but seriously, why would u need 2160p 60hz?

which pioneer avr u have that's 4k pass thru? how old, price?

i am planning to get one in the next year for 4k pass thru and dts:x.
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Yeap, 2160p videos are very rare. But i have tried to set it to 4k30p recently via the HDMI 1.4 port, the image is awesome. The text looks way sharper than 1080p resolution.

Tried star wars the force awakens 38 bdmv with it, both 1080p and 4k30p reso doesnt show much difference. But web browsing looks much better in 4k (with text scalling set to 175%) than 1080p.

I was thinking whether to upgrade it to nvidia GTX 950 since it support HDMI 2.0 or the display port converter.

My pioneer avr is VSX - 523-K, bought it 2 years ago for RM2.6k.

If you plan to buy avr nex year, be sure to look for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support for future proofing.
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Apr 3 2016, 06:34 PM)
My pioneer avr is VSX - 523-K, bought it 2 years ago for RM2.6k.

If you plan to buy avr nex year, be sure to look for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support for future proofing.
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ok, thanks for info.

for sure, my next avr will be at least hdmi 2.0 and hdcp2.2. biggrin.gif

am considering onkyo 747 and coming 757.

will be ok for next 5 years, i think.
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Wow, both the specs of the avr is yummy =D hmmm, if the price is right, i might be poisoned and get one next year too XD.

But in 2014, i heard onkyo avr got HDMI board and power supply problem, hope they have rectified all of these issues.
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Wow, both the specs of the avr is yummy =D hmmm, if the price is right, i might be poisoned and get one next year too XD.

But in 2014, i heard onkyo avr got HDMI board and power supply problem, hope they have rectified all of these issues.
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yes, there are such probems with some models.

my friend had problems with 607 and 818, swears he will never buy onkyo again. biggrin.gif

my own 706 has been very good, so i will stick to 7xx series.

i think the problems come about due to overheating.

i use it moderately, in aircond room, zero problems for 6 years.

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can I know how important is support for HDR. if those tv without HDMI 2.2 means no HDR support ?
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can I know how important is support for HDR. if those tv without HDMI 2.2 means no HDR support ?
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HDR is very very new, a 2016 thing.

UHD 4K TV's is not the latest.

latest is UHD PREMIUM, a class of UHD 4K TV that has HDR. biggrin.gif

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/hdr...ision-explained
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can I know how important is support for HDR. if those tv without HDMI 2.2 means no HDR support ?
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very important if you really into 4k,because most of UHD bluray will come with HDR soon.but beware all hardware must support it too...
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If not mistaken, you need HDMI 2.0a instead of HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 to support HDR. Some forumers says HDMI 2.0a is just a software update. We shall know more about it in June or July this year during Computex event =D
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There is still little 4K material. HDR will take even longer.


Meanwhile, use the ue630x to the full... install as many apps as you can!

I now have a nice Kodi superboxbuild and a few more apps in it. No need another box, just the tv will give movies, tv shows, news, sports, English, Chinese, Singapore , Indonesia, Thai tv... Etc. etc. quite a lot in HD and loads pretty fast. now that is a smart tv!!

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Yeap, agree with AVFAN, very little 4k materials, maybe in 2017 only have slight HDR content floating around the internet =D

I just tried to connect my PC to the TV's HDMI straight instead of my AVR and then AVR to TV. I noticed that the ARC only supports stereo format from the sound properties under control panel. Even if i set the ARC audio to bitstream.

But when i try to watch movies with Kodi with 5.1 DTS audio format, my AVR able to receive the DTS signal with 5.1 sound. Sadly, it couldnt pass through DTS-MA and DTS-HD audio format.
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Yeap, agree with AVFAN, very little 4k materials, maybe in 2017 only have slight HDR content floating around the internet =D

I just tried to connect my PC to the TV's HDMI straight instead of my AVR and then AVR to TV. I noticed that the ARC only supports stereo format from the sound properties under control panel. Even if i set the ARC audio to bitstream.

But when i try to watch movies with Kodi with 5.1 DTS audio format, my AVR able to receive the DTS signal with 5.1 sound. Sadly, it couldnt pass through DTS-MA and DTS-HD audio format.
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i've been hunting for 4k material and got little.

they are not coming out as fast as i expected.

even this list is miserable!
http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

however, the tv we have is still a good choice due to its master eng pro upscaling and the good android inside.

as for audio, dd/dts is already not bad. biggrin.gif

i remember a few years ago, some tv's go silent with dts videos as they refused to pay for the license.

dtshdma/ddtruehd... will become a standard arc feature in tv's when dd atmos and dts:x become popular, i.e. tv's will always be one step behind standalone players and boxes when it comes to audio.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 11 2016, 06:06 PM)
i've been hunting for 4k material and got little.

they are not coming out as fast as i expected.

even this list is miserable!
http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

however, the tv we have is still a good choice due to its master eng pro upscaling and the good android inside.

as for audio, dd/dts is already not bad. biggrin.gif

i remember a few years ago, some tv's go silent with dts videos as they refused to pay for the license.

dtshdma/ddtruehd... will become a standard arc feature in tv's when dd atmos and dts:x become popular, i.e. tv's will always be one step behind standalone players and boxes when it comes to audio.
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Consolation... Come... console.gif console.gif tongue.gif
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Consolation... Come...  console.gif  console.gif  tongue.gif
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really, it will be some time before more 4k material comes out.

https://torrentfreak.com/first-netflix-4k-c...t-sites-150828/
according to above, a 4k tv episode is about 18gb (movie about 160gb), which comes out to be about 7MBps or about 54mbps.
so, i wonder if we are really getting 4k even on netflix with 25-30mbps speed! biggrin.gif


still, i am happy with the tv's upscaling and vibrant colors, esp for bdmv's.

been replacing part of old collection.

and talking about that, it is just a normal progress.... vhs->dvd->bluray/bdmv...->uhd4k...->hdr4k.

just another way to spend your money to pamper your eyes. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 12 2016, 11:47 AM)
really, it will be some time before more 4k material comes out.

https://torrentfreak.com/first-netflix-4k-c...t-sites-150828/
according to above, a 4k tv episode is about 18gb (movie about 160gb), which comes out to be about 7MBps or about 54mbps.
so, i wonder if we are really getting 4k even on netflix with 25-30mbps speed! biggrin.gif
still, i am happy with the tv's upscaling and vibrant colors, esp for bdmv's.

been replacing part of old collection.

and talking about that, it is just a normal progress.... vhs->dvd->bluray/bdmv...->uhd4k...->hdr4k.

just another way to spend your money to pamper your eyes. laugh.gif
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It's definitely going to be awhile before 4K really becomes the norm. Right now, despite all the noise & pushing, it's still just not enough. TV manufacturers and their like have completely saturated the 1080p market and had they continued pushing it, they would have faced profits stagnation, reductions and perhaps even losses.. So 4K tech was pushed and pushed hard. IMO, the upscaling is alright but one always know it's not the real deal. It is progress and progress we must. Hence, my waiting on the sidelines, while the market grows. 2020 has a nice ring to it, plus Malaysia would be a high income nation by then.. Yeah!! tongue.gif tongue.gif Seriously though, there's no where else to go but up, so 4K, HDR, HEVC format, etc will end up becoming a regular thing, just as finding 1080p movies with full HD audio is today.

As for Netflix or YouTube, it's kinda public knowledge that they don't stream as raw as the video file can get. We are definitely not getting true 1080p or 4K from them, cuz if they offered it as is, it would cost significantly more in terms of required equipment & Labour, to provide us the content and we as consumers would need even more bandwidth just to receive such.. Furthermore, their target market would be reduced as not everyone has access to cheap, fast and stable Internet connections (Malaysia whistling.gif) ... Besides, majority of the displays are just that good at making the streams look good.
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It has begun... biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

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It has begun...  biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
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i'll find a chance to see if these early hdr4k tv's produce better pq than uhd4k for a common 1080p file.

since there is practically no hdr and very few uhd files around! laugh.gif
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7.5K for X85D 55 inch , have to see what's the price of 93D version or upcoming 55"KS8000 from samsung. I'm eyeing 55inch max and from review/forum in amazon and AVS the X85D review is a bit mix.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Apr 14 2016, 11:28 PM)
X85D using IPS panel shakehead.gif ,not sure X90D and X93d
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Cheapest one will serve me good.

No need 3d.

Not many 4k content.

Android box will give full control to what we need.
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Is 58ue630x and 58 eu1m same?

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Is 58ue630x and 58 eu1m same?
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a repeat question.

check post #415.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 15 2016, 08:45 PM)
a repeat question.

check post #415.
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Thanks bro. Saw ur post too but from specs I don't see much difference
And I'm searching for 55ue630x but can't seems to find it,even in online stores such as 11street or lazada
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Thanks bro. Saw ur post too but from specs I don't see much difference
And I'm searching for 55ue630x but can't seems to find it,even in online stores such as 11street or lazada
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it's 58ue630x.

thread starter danny wants to sell his.
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QUOTE(nomar @ Apr 15 2016, 02:35 PM)
7.5K for X85D 55 inch , have to see what's the price of 93D version or upcoming 55"KS8000 from samsung.  I'm eyeing 55inch max and from review/forum in amazon and AVS  the X85D review is a bit mix.
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RM7.5k for an IPS panel and it's a mediocre one somemore. Sony dropped the ball on this one.


QUOTE(bad2928 @ Apr 15 2016, 04:37 PM)
X85D using IPS panel shakehead.gif ,not sure X90D and X93d
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X90/93D uses VA panels. They're generally pretty good, but expect it to be overpriced. Also if you play games, look elsewhere. RTings and HDTVTest got 53ms with it. doh.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 15 2016, 11:17 PM)
RM7.5k for an IPS panel and it's a mediocre one somemore. Sony dropped the ball on this one.
X90/93D uses VA panels. They're generally pretty good, but expect it to be overpriced. Also if you play games, look elsewhere. RTings and HDTVTest got 53ms with it. doh.gif
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X8500c is on sale at desa home theatre warehouse sale for 6k + 65 inch. That's a pretty good tv but hdr is basic not ultra hd premium compliant.
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http://www.lazada.com.my/fsh-rii-mini-x1-2...tv-6722885.html

Is this wireless keyboard or something similiar compatible with the Sharp 58ue630x? Or is it better to get separate wireless keyboard and mouse?

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http://www.lazada.com.my/fsh-rii-mini-x1-2...tv-6722885.html

Is this wireless keyboard or something similiar compatible with the Sharp 58ue630x? Or is it better to get separate wireless keyboard and mouse?
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Yes I'm using a wireless keyboard with the TV. Just plug and play.
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X8500c is on sale at desa home theatre warehouse sale for 6k + 65 inch. That's a pretty good tv but hdr is basic not ultra hd premium compliant.
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pretty good. but isnt that active 3d is cumbersome to maintain the battery and its not so natural ?
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I just bought Sharp 65 UE630X. I am hoping I am making the right decision....
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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 18 2016, 12:18 AM)
I just bought Sharp 65 UE630X. I am hoping I am making the right decision....
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It's a little too late for that as the bullet has already left the gun.. biggrin.gif.. Congrats rclxms.gif
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pretty good. but isnt that active 3d is cumbersome to maintain the battery and its not so natural ?
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I'm not into 3d coz I feel it is feels fake most of the time and it causes fatigue. 4k with hdr is like looking out of the window. That feels more 3d rather than the old tech which is why 3d is so yesterday and manufacturers are starting to drop it.
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I just bought Sharp 65 UE630X. I am hoping I am making the right decision....
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think u r the first one here who bought that size.

you'll love the tv! biggrin.gif

a few people here bought 50 and 58.

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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 18 2016, 12:18 AM)
I just bought Sharp 65 UE630X. I am hoping I am making the right decision....
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Congrats, I'm sure you'll love it.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Apr 18 2016, 12:23 AM)
It's a little too late for that as the bullet has already left the gun..  biggrin.gif.. Congrats  rclxms.gif
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I'm experiencing impulse buying syndrom yesterday. I went to the desa home warehouse sale at 6.30pm and spotted this TV. I actually looking for LG 65UF950 or Samsung 65 JU7500...But the PIC said this TV is the latest model compare both of the model i mentioned plus, he is giving me some voucher

I have not done any research on this model like i usually do before buying it..
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2016, 03:05 AM)
think u r the first one here who bought that size.

you'll love the tv! biggrin.gif

a few people here bought 50 and 58.
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Congrats, I'm sure you'll love it.
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Thank you very much. I had read reviews from this thread and so far it is positive.

My 32" tv is killing me currently. I barely can see the picture as i sit 4m from the tv.... That is why i buy 65".
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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 18 2016, 09:39 AM)
I'm experiencing impulse buying syndrom yesterday. I went to the desa home warehouse sale at 6.30pm and spotted this TV. I actually looking for LG 65UF950 or Samsung 65 JU7500...But the PIC said this TV is the latest model compare both of the model i mentioned plus, he is giving me some voucher

I have not done any research on this model like i usually do before buying it..
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Impulse buying happen even to the best of us. Here's what, with a TV, all the research in the world cannot prepare you for a let down if your brain does not approve what the eye sees. So doing research is only half the job and meant to filter out certain models. Dealing with an impulse buy is a piece of cake, but buyer's remorse? That's the one that hurts the most as its longterm. smile.gif

Moving up to 65" from 32" is a significant upgrade. No worries, you'll be pleased when the TV arrives..
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Welcome to the club potionmaster1987! =D I am lovin my tv so far!

Just hope sharp would roll out HDMI 2.0a update to our tv, then we would be able to watch netflix content in HDR =D
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Apr 18 2016, 06:22 PM)
Welcome to the club potionmaster1987! =D I am lovin my tv so far!

Just hope sharp would roll out HDMI 2.0a update to our tv, then we would be able to watch netflix content in HDR =D
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Thank you. Please share your experience regarding this tv.

Also, so far, any problem you have encounter so far?



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QUOTE(voncrane @ Apr 18 2016, 10:16 AM)
Impulse buying happen even to the best of us. Here's what, with a TV, all the research in the world cannot prepare you for a let down if your brain does not approve what the eye sees. So doing research is only half the job and meant to filter out certain models. Dealing with an impulse buy is a piece of cake, but buyer's remorse? That's the one that hurts the most as its longterm.  smile.gif

Moving up to 65" from 32" is a significant upgrade. No worries, you'll be pleased when the TV arrives..
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Thank you, lets hope for the best. Anyway, i also hoping that this i will never do this impulse buying anymore..
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my latest adventure on the ue630x...

installed, "tweaked", set easy access for... kodi skysports 1-5 in HD.

nice to watch premier league at the touch of a few buttons.

i'm not a big fan of PL but just preparing for Euro 2106 kickoff on 11 jun. tongue.gif
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haha, touch wood, so far no problem encountered. Im connecting this tv to my avr. All my inputs goes through the avr. You may need to play around the TV setup for colors that suit your taste. But the black is really black, white is really white.

This tv is kinda heavy, if you plan to mount this tv, make sure u buy the non-retractable tv mount.

I am currently waiting my display port to hdmi 2.0 converter to arrive, then i can experience 4k60p using my HTPC. =D
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This tv is kinda heavy, if you plan to mount this tv, make sure u buy the non-retractable tv mount.
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actually, it is not as heavy as i thought. about the same as my last smaller lcd sharp.

mounts fine on my existing wall panel and bracket.

and it is nice to find it is very cool, no heat detected.
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Lol, maybe my tv mount is lousy one, im using the retractable one, i can see the mount abit senget dy =D
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so what is the best price for 65UE630x now ? sharing is caring for the consumers.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2016, 06:42 PM)
my latest adventure on the ue630x...

installed, "tweaked", set easy access for... kodi skysports 1-5 in HD.

nice to watch premier league at the touch of a few buttons.

i'm not a big fan of PL but just preparing for Euro 2106 kickoff on 11 jun. tongue.gif
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haha, touch wood, so far no problem encountered. Im connecting this tv to my avr. All my inputs goes through the avr. You may need to play around the TV setup for colors that suit your taste. But the black is really black, white is really white.

This tv is kinda heavy, if you plan to mount this tv, make sure u buy the non-retractable tv mount.

I am currently waiting my display port to hdmi 2.0 converter to arrive, then i can experience 4k60p using my HTPC. =D
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I have a lot of catching up to do. I dont know what is kodi, dont know how to set up network HDD with the TV and do not understand why ericlai want to use converter 2.0......seriously...i feel outdated.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Lol, you don need to know about the converter if u don use your PC and connect to the TV. I am using a graphic card for my PC which does not have HDMI 2.0, only display port supports 4k @ 60hz. so i need a converter from display port and convert it to HDMI 2.0 to get 4k60hz.

If u wanna watch movie, it is best to use kodi, as kodi can decode many types of sound format, dts-hd, DD trueHD, etc.
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I have a lot of catching up to do. I dont know what is kodi, dont know how to set up network HDD with the TV and do not understand why ericlai want to use converter 2.0......seriously...i feel outdated.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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what u bought is an android uhd 4k tv. it can do a number of things. besides handling 4k videos and upscaling anything lower, it can handle the latest 4k60hz videos - if the rest of the equipment incl cables, player are such - hence the hdmi converter issue.

also, the tv comes with a good android built in. if u hv never used an android (be it box or tablet or phone) before, this is yr chance to play with it. first, u need to set it up with yr wifi to get internet access. read the manual also - there is an electronic version u can get on the tv itself. if not, u can find the website and download it. if u have not installed the tv, get the installer to do all that when they arrive - they know how.


if u r starting from ground zero. i suggest u read a bit about android boxes:

androidbox
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3126605/+1620

kodi is a major app u can install in the android. if u set it up properly, u get a lot of goodies. but... this one, i must say, will take time, not easy for a new user. anyway, do read:

kodi
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3139601/+3920

kodi is just ONE app. the android in the tv can take many apps. it works the same as in an android box. the only diff is the buttons on the remote controls (note u r given 2 of them, one with a mouse function).

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 18 2016, 07:39 PM)
so what is the best price for 65UE630x now ? sharing is caring for the consumers.
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I am not sure i'm get the best price or not, but i bought it at rm7300 plus i get aeon 300 voucher.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 18 2016, 07:39 PM)
so what is the best price for 65UE630x now ? sharing is caring for the consumers.
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Harvey Norman selling RM6999.
But that day I got a quote from another shop, can get around RM6.7k (cash).
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thanks a lot. I believe we should setup prices sharing. this is very common in Avsforum too and help the powerless consumers (against the LED TV cartel).
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Oops sorry, remember wrongly. The quoted model was 58UE630X, not 65.
Price quoted was rm5150 - 58".
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I received my TV yesterday.The black level totally awesome. The pic quality superb but if i sit too close like 1m it may appear blur.. When i at 4m, the image very clear.

One funny thing is, the video from youtube seems more lively compare to the astro..

Perhaps anyone can explain. I also downloaded kodi but do know how to use it...maybe need to do some study...
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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 20 2016, 05:37 PM)
I received my TV yesterday.The black level totally awesome. The pic quality superb but if i sit too close like 1m it may appear blur.. When i at 4m, the image very clear.

One funny thing is, the video from youtube seems more lively compare to the astro..

Perhaps anyone can explain. I also downloaded kodi but do know how to use it...maybe need to do some study...
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for such a size tv, u can't sit too close!

yes, everything comes out better, be it astro or hypptv, youtube or playback - the upscaling is good.

if u have a 4k media player, try these 2 in bluray/bdmv with 2160p 24hz settings: point break 2015 and the force awakens - awesome details, colors and vibrance.

kodi... this one... u need to spend time to understand and get to know how it works. i can copy and paste wholesale my build onto yr tv and u enjoy for a short time but... it needs maintenance. so, get started, here: biggrin.gif
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3139601/+3940

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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 20 2016, 05:37 PM)
I received my TV yesterday.The black level totally awesome. The pic quality superb but if i sit too close like 1m it may appear blur.. When i at 4m, the image very clear.

One funny thing is, the video from youtube seems more lively compare to the astro..

Perhaps anyone can explain. I also downloaded kodi but do know how to use it...maybe need to do some study...
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I was sure you'll like it like many of us here who bought the tv. Seems like the favourite model for most.

But if u need to sit 1m then ypu dont need a 65" tv, a 32" will be better at such distance
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Apr 21 2016, 08:06 AM)
I was sure you'll like it like many of us here who bought the tv. Seems like the favourite model for most.

But if u need to sit 1m then ypu dont need a 65" tv, a 32" will be better at such distance
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My previous tv size 32". I used to stay 1m from the tv eventhough my sofa is 4m from it.

Getting this 65" is the best decision ever. Luckly i did not fall for lg oled 55" which priced the same...haha.. No offence for lg user...:-p


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One thing that i encounter yesterday. I notice when playing certain 4k video from youtube yesterday. A few quick green and blue line appear randomly when it is play. But, when playing full hd, playing game or astro, it seems normal. The video link as below :

http://youtu.be/bKk_7NIKY3Y

Anyone having the same problem or can explain the problem?

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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 21 2016, 11:47 AM)
One thing that i encounter yesterday. I notice when playing certain 4k video from youtube yesterday. A few quick green and blue line appear randomly when it is play. But, when playing full hd, playing game or astro, it seems normal. The video link as below :

http://youtu.be/bKk_7NIKY3Y

Anyone having the same problem or can explain the problem?
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Then default quality at these utube videos is 1440p.

Bring up the menu to set to 2160p to get it right.
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sharp ue630x equipp with HDR or not?
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sharp ue630x equipp with  HDR or not?
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No, it is a UHD 4K.

HDR ones will be labeled UHD 4K PREMIUM.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM)
Then default quality at these utube videos is 1440p.

Bring up the menu to set to 2160p to get it right.
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How to adjust this. I have been seaching everywhere in youtube apps on its setting...still very unfamilar
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM)
Then default quality at these utube videos is 1440p.

Bring up the menu to set to 2160p to get it right.
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How to adjust this. I have been seaching everywhere in youtube apps on its setting...still very unfamilar
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How to adjust this. I have been seaching everywhere in youtube apps on its setting...still very unfamilar
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During playback of the utube video...

Remote control, just press the center round button which is Enter.

The menu will pop up, u see one of them is quality setting. Enter again to see list, select.

The main remote control of this tv is quite complete, can handle almost everything in any app.

Only when it requires the mouse will u need to use the other remote control.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 21 2016, 04:02 PM)
During playback of the utube video...

Remote control, just press the center round button which is Enter.

The menu will pop up, u see one of them is quality setting. Enter again to see list, select.

The main remote control of this tv is quite complete, can handle almost everything in any app.

Only when it requires the mouse will u need to use the other remote control.
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Never thought of that...luckily u have told me..yesterday night. I have searching for 2 hours to change the quality of the youtube..

Thank you very much.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(potionmaster1987 @ Apr 21 2016, 04:10 PM)
Never thought of that...luckily u have told me..yesterday night. I have searching for 2 hours to change the quality of the youtube..

Thank you very much..  rclxm9.gif
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thanks to u, i watched several 4k vidos on youtube! thumbsup.gif

i never thought youtube has that many 4k videos.

anyone interested, search for pantagonia, biosphere, around the world - in 4k.

that will give u a glimpse at what 4k, 8k, 10k will do.

around the world 4k is nostalgic - london, dubai, australia, los angeles, new york...

satellites probably are equipped with at least 8k cameras... so, the spies can tell what color yr underwear is if they catch u in the open! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kw @ Apr 19 2016, 07:02 PM)
Oops sorry,  remember wrongly.  The quoted model was 58UE630X, not 65.
Price quoted was rm5150 - 58".
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Bro can I know which Harvey Norman got this model?
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