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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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post Jan 3 2016, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 10:50 AM)
Plasma also cost rm30k for 50in when Pioneer Kuro launched. It also took few years for price to drop.

In terms of affordability it already surpassed the best of Plasma and took a shorter period for it to become more affordable. In a short 2 years the prices drop from rm30k to rm6k+.

In terms of everything else especially picture quality also surpass with superior contrast and even better black levels.
If 55in is big enough for you, grab it and enjoy.
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Hi DannyOP, where was the best price for the LG 55EC930T?
I am also looking for a large screen tv preferably 65 inches with a similar budget of max 7k. But there seems to be many compromises for all the 65 inchers within this budget. 10k seems to be the sweetspot but it's too much for a tv.

I would prefer to have 4k and 3D even if it may not be very useful but PQ is also a priority. The Toshiba seems nice but it doesn't have hdcp 2.2 so netflix 4k will not work same as any other 4k streaming services with copy protected content. I believe it also doesn't have 4k 60 fps but I can't find this info.

At the moment considering to just get the oled and just live with a smaller screen rather than compromise on pq. Haihhh... so difficult to decide.

Maybe it's best to just wait for the prices to come down further.
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post Jan 3 2016, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(w'lock @ Jan 3 2016, 10:41 AM)
Latest oled LG  Malaysia site is EC model,  is that like few version/generation back?

Thought latest  model is EG  n EF (which is flat)
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Yup EC is mid 2014 model. There is an EG in LG's brochure but none in shops.
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post Jan 3 2016, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 3 2016, 11:03 PM)
Best price I got was RM6k for the OLED but no more stock already and that also no warranty so a bit risky. Those from retail shop the best I got was rm7.3k from USJ Taipan.

For me also PQ is a priority. Those smart etc it is better to get an Android box which is faster and more flexible. That's why I never put smart features as my priority. PQ should always be the priority that can't be improved upon with any Android box.

Are you able to get 4k 60hz to pay smoothly on Netflix? Minimum 30Mbps I presume?
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Thanks for the reply. I think harvey norman ipc is also selling around that price. If can get it below 6k might pull the trigger. Otherwise may go for the toshiba l9450 or wait for the sony x8500 to go down in price.

No chance to try netflix 4k coz i don't have a 4k tv yet. And setup is a bit complicated so can't test at the shop also. But should not be a problem with 30mbps unifi. Netflix recommends 25mbps i believe but the stream is highly compressed so shouldn't be a problem.
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post Jan 7 2016, 12:18 PM

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Now there is the new Ultra HD Premium sticker which denotes that the TV has HDR capabilities - can support Dolby Vision & HDR10 (announced at CES 2016).

According to many online TV reviewers, they believe that HDR is a much bigger game changer for TVs compared to 4K.

Now in a dilemma whether to wait for 2016 HDR capable models or get 2014/2015 models on the cheap.
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post Jan 7 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 7 2016, 03:47 PM)
I don't think it matters 50" and below, depending on your viewing distance. Typical ~9 feet, won't see the benefits for 4K for majority on a 50" screen.

But that Toshiba 50L9450 is a steal ~RM3.3k, FALD with 4k. Quite a bargain.

On even higher res.. you'd need a bigger screen or sit nearer.
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HDR is not about resolution. It doesn't matter how big your screen is or how far you sit. It is about about showing on the tv what the director intended when making the movie (which is currently not possible due to the limitations of tv technology).

I have read many reviews online, and none of the profesional reviewers were excited about 4K or curved screens. But they are very excited about HDR.

Personally, I cannot imagine what it will look like, but I hope the difference is as impactful as SD vs HD.

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post Jan 9 2016, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 9 2016, 04:13 PM)
OK I bit the bullet and chose a different TV from my initial list. Decided to go for the Sharp UE630e 4k series but a smaller one at 58". It also has very good black levels and was the flagship for 2015 Sharp lineup in Malaysia. Also has the latest Android TV though not my priority. Price was RM5080.

65 would be better but price is close to RM9k and I reckon will wait for oled prices to drop before splurging again, then this can be demoted to a good bedroom TV.

Will post my thoughts on this TV when it arrives next week. It was a toss between this or the 65in Philips 1080p model which was cheaper by RM600+.
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Congrats on your purchase! What was the deciding factor compared to your earlier choices and also what made you decide to go with a smaller size?

I'm also having a similar dilemma as you previously. After seeing the oled 65 inch again today at harvey norman, I think I oled is the only way to go ... But the price is crazy!
Everything else is just a major compromise. Logic tells me to wait till prices come down. But heart is telling me to just grab something now.
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post Jan 11 2016, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 10 2016, 05:53 AM)
Well some of the demos I did at Harvey Norman 1 Utama with HD material compared the 630x with the LG 65" Oled and this comes the closest. It just lose out on the black levels slightly but in terms of colour it was slightly more vibrant. I'm just comparing out of the box performance.

They didn't have the Philips model at Harvey so it was difficult to decide. I know 65" has so much more real estate and Philips works well with slightly low quality videos like Astro, but 65in if I were to move closer to the TV the pixels will be more noticeable and less forgiving to less than perfect sources. Also I was thinking as an entertainment unit it would be easier for the wife to use due to the build in Android Tv which we can use 4k sources like YouTube and Netflix out of the box, and expandable storage also helps.

The Toshiba was also close but I notice artifacts even with HD material so I put that slightly behind, but at rm6k+ it is the most affordable 65" 4k tv with good black levels.

Oh well u can't have them all and beggars can't be choosers, I also put into consideration I hardly have time to watch TV due to family life so some thoughts to the benefit of them made the Sharp an overall best choice. It only lose out on the size but compared to the current 40" Sony bravia 5yr+ model it replaces it will be a huge difference.

Btw my distance if compare the sofa closest to the TV is 8-9 feet and the furthest is 14-15 feet.
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Thanks for the explanation on the deciding factor. I saw the UE630X at Harvery Norman and was quite impressed with it as well. To me it seemed to have more natural colours compared to the other brands. However, I was not very keen on getting a Sharp due to the difficulty in finding any reviews online. Also due to the very different model names, I have no idea what the US/Europe model name for UE630X is. So research is not possible. Sharp's website also is very basic and has very little information on their TVs. I have no idea whether the panels they use is VA or IPS.

However, I see that Sharp is available in almost all the electrical shops compared to other brands and it is possible to get a good discount on it compared to models like Sony & Samsung. Where did you get yours, USJ 1?

I would probably go down the same route as you. I will downsize to 55-60 inch and just get something that is good enough to replace my old 40" CCFL LCD and get an OLED 5 years later.
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post Jan 11 2016, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 11 2016, 12:39 PM)
Take the reviews with a pinch of salt, I find the best way is to download some samples of 720p, 1080p and 4k. Go to Harvey Norman, ask them test all the TVs in your shortlist. And let u play with the settings.

I bought from HLK USJ 10/1A. Sharp doesn't have much reviews so you need to do self review.

Yes at RM5080 it's already a good discount. Retail was RM7k+ and other places like Harvey can only offer RM5990.

The advantage of getting a well stocked brand is ease of repairs should the time come vs limited stock or run out stock where you have less chances of getting parts.

Have a look at Toshiba l9450 also if you can accept the artifacts it is also quite decent. It should be similar to 9300 series where you can find reviews online but 9300 doesn't have good reviews .
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I usually trust the reviewers who know what they are talking about compared to salesmen who are trying to sell you something. They also always give you some additional information to look out for when we demo a tv. But of course when buying a tv the most important thing is for it to look good to your own eyes.

The Toshiba seems to be a risky proposition since there seems to be many quality issues overseas, so I will avoid that. Sharp seems to be a reliable brand and your comments on repairs is a valid one and should not be overlooked.

I haven't tested my own files yet, I will go and do that. I will be looking at the Sharp UE630X, Panasonic CX700K and Samsung JU6600. Hopefully something clicks.


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post Jan 12 2016, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Jan 12 2016, 12:25 PM)
FYI sharp will be no longer in tv industry after this the company has sold to hisence
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Pls get your facts right. Sharp sold its tv plant in mexico and rights to use sharp branding for tvs in the US to Hisense. They are still operating in the rest of the world.
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post Jan 12 2016, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 12 2016, 01:43 PM)
Good luck, hope you hear from your feedback after you've chosen. I need to inform you an observation also. Each outlet there are salesmen representing their own brands ie. Philips, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba etc, but they are not wearing their company uniform. They wear their the shop's uniform but being stationed there to help promote their TVs and other items.

So beware if you might be actually talking to TV representative instead of the shop's salesman. Of course, they will recommend their own brand compared to the rest. This is a very sneaky tactic and also not noticeable.
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Thanks. I have always had my suspicion about this but since they are wearing the shop uniform I thought it's maybe just that they get higher commission for certain brands. But now that you mentioned it, based on the additional information that they have about certain brands, it makes sense that they are actually salesman for those brands.


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post Jan 13 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Jan 12 2016, 10:22 PM)
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I believe you were also looking at sony x8500, are you still looking or have you bought something already.

I like the sony very much but the cheapest I found for 65" is rm9,500 which is way above my budget. Sony controls the price and there are not many retailers selling their tvs. Have to give up on it already.


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post Jan 13 2016, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 13 2016, 06:46 PM)
Yes not worth buying close to rm10k, within  1-2 years OLED should be that price
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Hmmm, for the 65" 4K Oled, I will be willing to get into debt with the credit card company if I can get it for RM10k biggrin.gif
For LCD panels, not really worth it.

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post Jan 15 2016, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(bond @ Jan 14 2016, 11:15 PM)
Looking forward for Danny review on his UE630X, I was eyeing for that as well but somehow the 65" seems to have better black compare to 58". I am not sure if it uses different panel. The price gap between 58 and 65 is ~3k.
For FHD, the 60LE90x Quattron is better in term of color and for ASTRO viewing, currently <5k.

When compare among Sharp 65UE630X Sony 65X8500 Toshiba 65L9450 Panasonic 65AX800 and 60CX700, Sharp is the best to my eyes, Sony next followed by Panasonic and last goes to Toshiba.

Happy shopping for those look for new TV....
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To me the Samsung SUHDs look the best for LCD. Saw a JS7200 the other day and it looks as good as the JS8000 just beside it to my untrained eyes (both were playing the same demo video). The Sonys comes a close second.
Panasonic looked very good the last time I saw it but recently saw again and there seemed to be a lot of judder on all their 4K models. I think this is probably due to the source or the splitter coz the same demo looked different a week ago.

I am not too impressed with the Sharp to be honest. I do feel that the picture is more natural and easy on the eyes compared to the rest but it doesn't have the WOW factor. Also, I don't like the boomerang stand. I think I am being petty, but I find it difficult to put this issue aside coz I will not be wall-mounting the tv.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 15 2016, 01:26 PM)
Still waiting for the TV to arrive.. HLK order from Sharp then Sharp send to HLK then only to my place .. ETA this coming Wednesday, longer than I expected. Hope it will perform well!
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We are all waiting for your review biggrin.gif
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post Jan 17 2016, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 15 2016, 10:31 PM)
Never trust demo videos, as they are specially designed for the TV and do not represent actual footage you watch. Better bring your own files and play the same file over a few tvs you have chosen. Then the results will be very different.

I like the Samsung JS 8000/9000 series but the price is too close to Oled so I didn't consider them.

If not mistaken close to rm7k for 55" and rm15-20k for 65", while 55" 7000 series have very poor contrast due to IPS panel - see http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js7000.
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The JS7200 in Malaysia is a different model from the JS7000 in the US. The panel native refresh rate for Msia model is 100hz, equivalent to the US 120hz. The US model is 60hz. Only North American use 60/120, the rest of the world use 50/100.
The US version also comes with old smart function, not Tizen. Difficult to find info about the Msian model, but its definitely not the same as the US model.

I tested some of my own videos and they look great, both 1080p and 4k videos downloaded from YouTube. The difference is obvious compared to JU6400. Tried to test the UE630x but the shop people couldn't get it to detect my hdd. This happened in 2 shops, hoe huat and one living. They complained about the remote and thar the tv is still in demo mode. Don't know what happened here.

@DannyOP Need your feedback on your experience when testing this tv coz maybe the salesmen were purposely trying to make the sharp look bad to sell me the samsung.

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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jan 17 2016, 12:24 PM)
Yup, I bought from that shop for rm5.3k for 58".
The addition 3 years warranty makes it more worth then the other shop selling at Rm5k.
Another guy was there and was also looking at the same deal.
In the end both of us grab this as we feel paying rm300 plus for additional 3 years of warranty is worth it. So got a 2 + 3 years warranty. Total 5 years warranty.
Somemore the warranty is direct from the Manufacture.

Also bought a gas stove to replace a faulty one at home. So got maximum discount on that. smile.gif

Will share later the week once I get it on Monday.

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Congrats on your new tv! Many forummers seem to like this model. What was the factors that made you choose this instead of the others?
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 17 2016, 03:35 PM)
Ic then it should perform well, only thing that prohibit will be the price, so close to OLED.
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Managed to find the 55" for rm5500 which is why I am considering it. The 60" is rm6900, seems like too much for an extra 5". Only thing I am worried about is samsung's panel lottery. The LG EC930T is rm7.6k, so this is still much cheaper.

The JU6400 also looks reasonably nice, but not much discount for it.
Anyway, to be honest once the tv is in the house, I think it won't make a difference as its all an upgrade over my old ccfl lcd.


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post Jan 17 2016, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 17 2016, 07:54 PM)
6.9k still reasonable. On paper 55-60 is 5in but actual screen size is a lot bigger. If you can afford the 60 do go for it. Even 58in to 60 there is a difference but more marginal.

Btw today is Harvey Norman warehouse sale at Citta Mall last day. They got a 8000 series Samsung Plasma 64in going for rm6k. Maybe worthwhile for those who want good picture quality.
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Still thinking about it. Right now with hdr coming this year don't want to spend too much yet. Maybe will upgrade again in 3 years if there is a big difference in picture quality.

That's a nice price for an 8 series plasma and very good size as well. I am not into plasma due to the reflective screen not suitable for living room.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 18 2016, 12:44 AM)
Hdr will bring led tv closer to Oled, but new tech won't come cheap, it took 2 years for a rm30k 55in oled to drop to 7k+ and we still think it's expensive for 55in.

Hopefully in a few years 4k projectors will be more affordable too, it will be nice having a 120in 4k screen for movies.
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Yup, Oled is still expensive and HDR will be too for a few years to come. That's why I feel there is no point in waiting unless can wait for a few years tongue.gif . Might as well grab something reasonably good and see how the TV tech evolves over the next few years. Sort of an interim TV for now.

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QUOTE(g-string @ Jan 20 2016, 06:05 PM)
hmm....I bought the JS7200 yesterday. Tried googling for info, but could only find JS7000, which now I understand is the USA model vs the Asian model. But comparing a 1080p movie on the JS7200 and other models, I could see the picture was much nicer, brighter and colour was richer. This was on factory default.

But the funny thing is that the sales guy said its quad core, but 400hz? Where as the higher end SUHD models was 800hz? or was it 200hz and 400hz? But runs on Tizen.

I will need to go back and try some 4k content to see what the differences are on 4k, other than the demo 4k stuff. It was either this or the Sony X850c.  LG 8 series didn't look as nice.

Anyone tried using a JS7200 for gaming? cant find any info on the input lag.
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This is the same experience I had. The picture quality is just awesome compared to other tvs in the same price range. This tv is 100hz with clear motion rate 200. I suspect it is an IPS panel, but the picture really pops.

What was the best price you got for the sony and which size.

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