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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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jchue73
post Jan 27 2016, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 27 2016, 07:59 PM)
but... i have to say i am pleased the 4k tv android served one good purpose - it can get uhd 4k netflix while my other androids cannot.
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Box setups like Nvidia Shield should be able to get Netflix 4K right?
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post Jan 28 2016, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 27 2016, 11:27 PM)
Yes, but it is too expensive if you just want it for netflix 4k.
Roku 4k and Amazon fire tv 4k would be cheaper. Apple tv 4k version is also an alternative.
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That's true if just looking at a 4K streamer. But the beefier specs of the Nvidia plus the included Shield remote and wireless controller, the price is about fair in my opinion. I took a look at the Roku 4K but there were reports about overheating and noisy fan.

Amazon Fire TV 4k hardware specs is a little compared with the other 2 Android boxes. Given the choice, I would choose the Roku over this.

Apple TV 4K? Not interested in going into Apple ecosystem. BTW, I thought Apple TV does not do 4k?

Anyway, I chose the Nvidia because of the following;

- Gigabit Ethernet
- USB 3.0
- High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
- DD+/DTS (pass-through), DTS-HD MA (pass-through), Dolby TrueHD (pass-through)
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post Jan 28 2016, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 12:03 AM)
yes, it is listed as netflix certified.

but u need a 4k tv for that, and most major brand 4k tv's are already certified.
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4K TVs must be HDCP 2.2 compliant too right? How is your audio setup? Connect to any AVR?
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post Jan 28 2016, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 03:20 AM)
i have not tested the audio part.

it has been said here that if the video carries 5.1 dd, hdmi arc should do the job.
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Planning on using an external Android box for streaming instead of relying on smart TV software. I have a Yamaha YSP-2500 soundbar and the specs say it can passthrough 4k. My current TV (not smart TV and does not do 4K) uses HDMI ARC. Problem is the HDMI ports on the soundbar are not HDCP 2.2. Youtube 4K should be fine but not for Netflix 4K.

I think to run Netflix 4K, I would need to connect the Android box directly to the TV and rely on using optical out from TV to the soundbar or AVR?

Currently giving the whole setup thing a deep thought but I've yet to come to the 4K TV part. sweat.gif
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post Jan 28 2016, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 28 2016, 12:41 PM)
Apple TV can do 4K but it appears that it does not support streaming in 4k only via PC /Mac.

What is the price you are getting it for?

Those specs that you listed can also get from Himedia H8/Q5 III , Zidoo X6 Pro and a few other players at a cheaper price but you will not get Netflix at 4K.

Again, it depends on what you want to do with it. Like AVFAN mentioned, if you already have a 4K tv it probably supports Netflix 4K and you don't need a separate box. If your TV does not support Netflix 4K then another box will be needed but an Nvidia Shield is overkill for this purpose alone. Netflix 4K does not need USB 3.0, HD audio passthrough, 24/192 audio. So what is the purpose you need it for? If you plan to use all/most of it's capabilities such as game streaming, video streaming and local video streaming then it's probably great to have all capabilities in one box  smile.gif
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Thanks for the informative reply. I'm aware of the various apps in the Smart TV. I choose the Nvidia basically to replace my ageing HTPC and also because the cheaper alternatives won't do Netflix 4K. My HTPC still runs fine but I wanted something that is as powerful (or more powerful) and yet uses less power, smaller footprint and less noisy. Oh yes, having USB 3 means it has flexibility in terms of expansion.

So the features of the Nvidia are actually important to me because I have lots of hi-res flacs and Bluray rips stored in my NAS.

I also don't game but perhaps with the Nvidia Shield, I'll get hooked. sweat.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 12:49 PM)
jdgobio has explained it well.

1. a box that can handle 4k does not mean it can do netflix 4k - tv, boxes or sticks, it has be certified by netflix.
check the list:
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
and if yr tv is not 4k, whatever box or stick, u will NOT get 4k.
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Yes, I'm fully aware. Hence I mentioned that I've yet to look for a 4K TV. It's still on my to do list. blush.gif

Yes, Netflix 4K is also the reason I narrowed the Nvidia Shield and not other boxes.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 12:49 PM)
2. 4k is for video, nothing to do with audio or sound bar. u can have 4k video 2.0 audio or 1080p dtshdma 5.1 or dolby atmos 7.1.
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At the current moment, my soundbar acts as a HDMI splitter on top of acting as a soundbar. biggrin.gif If I plug in the Nvidia Shield directly into the soundbar, everything else will work but not for Netflix 4K I believe. Perhaps I'll re-wire and connect just the soundbar to the TV and get ARC working. All other HDMI connections directly to the 4K TV. Now to find a 4K TV with loads of HDMI input...
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 28 2016, 04:23 PM)
a box cost rm500, 800 maybe.

a 4k tv will cost up anything 3.5k to 10k.

so, very impt to find the tv u want and need! biggrin.gif

good news is a no. of people here already bought 4k tv, can help u evaluate.
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Yup, that's why I gravitated to this thread when I first saw it because I'm also shopping around for one.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 11:44 AM)
Yes, the most important component is the TV, the rest can wait. 90% of your funds should be for the TV, get the biggest and nicest TV your viewing distance allows, then the rest can easily add on as they do not cost much.
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I agree. But also note that the TV is the most expensive item in the whole equation. So naturally it needs to have the most consideration. Picture quality above all else and then other function priorities fall into place according to one's own need.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 11:44 AM)
If your main concern is Netflix 4k, then you don't need to buy an Andriod box just for it, some of the new TVs already have Netflix built in.
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Yes I'm aware that good smart TVs already have built in Netflix app and other apps as well. My preference for an external Android box is not and should not be interpreted as the only sensible route to getting Netflix 4K. I mentioned my need for an external Android box is so that I can retire my old HTPC.
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post Jan 29 2016, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 29 2016, 12:43 PM)
You are on the right track. Getting the Nvidia Shield box + a decent 4K TV should be okay.. After reading your posts, my main concern would be the use of optical cable from the TV to the soundbar as opposed to a HDMI cable. Need to be careful not to buy a TV that dumbs down incoming surround sound signals to a stereo PCM signal. You would be surprised how many TVs out there do that. Since most of Netflix's HD is DD 5.1, that would suck. This is related to running the Netflix app on the Smart TV itself.
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Thanks for the tip. I was initially toying with the optical cable is the last resort. But I think I can make the HDMI ARC connection between TV and soundbar work. To make Netflix 4K work with HDCP 2.2, I need to connect the Nvidia direct to the TV. I also plan for other peripherals to connect to the TV directly. The TV would have to have at lease 3 HDMI In ports.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 29 2016, 12:55 PM)
nividia shield is probably at top of the range now. most expensive too.

if u can afford it, why not?

while it may make sense to start with a low end one to learn about androids, it can be very rewarding to start with a premium one so as not to get stuck here and there with memory, features etc.

some of us who have used androids for some time will always advise to go premium, not low end! biggrin.gif
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Yeah, I have the same mind too and think that going the expensive route but buy it only once. I don't go choosing the most expensive one and work from there... No. Of course it needs to justify itself being reasonably expensive. Anyway, when comparing with other Android boxes itself, the sum itself is not much. So trying to save there is IMO a not worth it. Better to save elsewhere and skim on other things. But when comparing to a HTPC, the Nvidia is still cheap.

QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 01:37 PM)
With optical cable you still can get 5.1. Only if you are using RCA then you get 2.0.

However soundbar can never get true 5.1, the sound only comes from the front speaker at the bottom of the TV.
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Yes, I'm aware of it's limitations but for the simplicity it offers, it's still miles better than sound from the TV speaker itself.
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post Feb 4 2016, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 09:29 AM)
I have a 55" Samsung JS7200 tv and I am currently using a Roku 3 for streaming and a Himedia 910B for local files through a NAS.
I intend to get a 4K capable box which can do streaming as good as the Roku and handle local files with HD audio. But can't find any that fits the bill within a reasonable budget.
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Your requirements are similar to mine. Well kind of... I think I already found a solution. Just hope I can find time with this long weekend coming up and if the wife and kids would play nice and don't interrupt me. laugh.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 4 2016, 04:30 PM)
actually, i was thinking of venturing into htpc last year.

considering all the $ i already spent on the several boxes (in various locations of the house), portable hdd's.... plus the new $ required.... i decided no.

decided to spend on new 4k tv, just make full use of whatever hardware i have now with unifi30.

one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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LOL. The HTPC I built is close to 8 years old. Along the way I did upgrade the graphics card and put an SSD drive but that's about it. Of course when I shifted to my new place, I placed gigabit network and set up a NAS. A cheapo Sharp 60 inch TV and a soundbar. For me the only thing short at the moment is a 4K TV...

QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 4 2016, 04:49 PM)
Yeah.. Keeping up is a pain... That's why I've begun saving & refused to trade up to a 4K TV just yet... IMO, an ideal setup includes a lovely 70" 4K Smart TV + regular Android OS apps support or Android TV + access to regular android apps, a custom HTPC (hardware upgradeable), a decent NAS system & router to boot. The icing on the cake being Google's 1Gbps gigabit Internet + TV service.. brows.gif
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Yup. You and me pretty similar. thumbup.gif Still waiting for that 4K TV. If planning to make your system not become obsolete fast, sometimes a little bit more spending is required.

Say did anybody see the new 4.9 mm super thin Sony 4K TV? I saw the 65 inch the other day and thought it was quite beautiful. wub.gif But price wise not beautiful. cry.gif

 

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