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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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Jason
post Jan 7 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 21 2015, 01:15 AM)
After few months of research and viewing I've narrowed down my search for a minimum 65in tv :-

1) Philips 65in 5409 1080p with 600hz motion - rm4.4k
The good - good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen
The bad - limited features, basic TV, no 3d, no 4k

2) Philips 65in 6909  1080p, 800hz with 3d and backlight illumination - rm5.7k
The good - 800hz motion, good black levels and contrast, non reflective screen, active 3d
The bad - dated smart features, no 4k

3) Sony 65in W850C 1080p, 3d - rm5.8k
The good - good black levels, contrast, active 3d, Android tv
The bad - no 4k, reflective screen

4) Toshiba 65in L9450 4k - RM6.6k
The good - Good black levels and contrast, Android TV, 4k
The bad - no 3d

5) Sharp 70in 950x 1080p RM7.5k
The good - 4 colour screen, big screen for the money, 3d
The bad - No 4k, dated smart features

Which one would you choose given the budget of +/- RM7k?
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Hey Danny, been looking at TVs and learned quite a lot from your research. Let's exchange some notes.

Between your choices based on your assessment, I would pick option 3, cause I do not need 4k (mainly 720p and 1080p content for ME). Reflective screen is not a major issue because I watch with dim to no lighting -- so this depends on YOUR environment.

That being said, option 1 also looks like a great option due to the price. If visually, 1 & 3 no major difference, I'd pick 1.

Built in "smart" features or android in a TV does not appeal to me, reason being, if the TV is replaced the following year and the manufacturer stops "updating" the Android, it will be "obsolete". I'd rather save the money and buy a non-Smart TV, and buy an external Android box like Himedia for ~RM3xx.

On the whole list, I like option 4 the most, because it has 4K and good black levels. Is the L9450 the L9400 in the USA? If yes, then its a full array with local dimming? I think that's the best technology for conventional TVs, below OLEDs. With the 4K, you won't be having upgraditis down the road as more 4k content become available. But the L9400 has been plagued by quality issues, so you'd probably need to get a good unit. (buy the display set if the hours not that long? lol)
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post Jan 7 2016, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 7 2016, 12:18 PM)
Now there is the new Ultra HD Premium sticker which denotes that the TV has HDR capabilities - can support Dolby Vision & HDR10 (announced at CES 2016).

According to many online TV reviewers, they believe that HDR is a much bigger game changer for TVs compared to 4K.

Now in a dilemma whether to wait for 2016 HDR capable models or get 2014/2015 models on the cheap.
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I don't think it matters 50" and below, depending on your viewing distance. Typical ~9 feet, won't see the benefits for 4K for majority on a 50" screen.

But that Toshiba 50L9450 is a steal ~RM3.3k, FALD with 4k. Quite a bargain.

On even higher res.. you'd need a bigger screen or sit nearer.

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post Jan 11 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
Thanks for the explanation on the deciding factor. I saw the UE630X at Harvery Norman and was quite impressed with it as well. To me it seemed to have more natural colours compared to the other brands. However, I was not very keen on getting a Sharp due to the difficulty in finding any reviews online. Also due to the very different model names, I have no idea what the US/Europe model name for UE630X is. So research is not possible. Sharp's website also is very basic and has very little information on their TVs. I have no idea whether the panels they use is VA or IPS.

However, I see that Sharp is available in almost all the electrical shops compared to other brands and it is possible to get a good discount on it compared to models like Sony & Samsung. Where did you get yours, USJ 1?

I would probably go down the same route as you. I will downsize to 55-60 inch and just get something that is good enough to replace my old 40" CCFL LCD and get an OLED 5 years later.
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Agree with you @ Sharp

LC60LE650M looks acceptable on paper for a basic TV, for its asking price -- read someone got it for ~RM2.7k on offer.

LC55LE460X is RM200 shy of the UA55J5500, but not sufficient info available. Really makes one wonder if the Sharp TVs are any good.
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post Jan 12 2016, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 12 2016, 01:43 PM)
Good luck, hope you hear from your feedback after you've chosen. I need to inform you an observation also. Each outlet there are salesmen representing their own brands ie. Philips, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba etc, but they are not wearing their company uniform. They wear their the shop's uniform but being stationed there to help promote their TVs and other items.

So beware if you might be actually talking to TV representative instead of the shop's salesman. Of course, they will recommend their own brand compared to the rest. This is a very sneaky tactic and also not noticeable.
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Believe your eyes. And helps to bring your own materials that you are already familiar with on what to look out for.
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post Jan 16 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(bond @ Jan 14 2016, 11:15 PM)
Looking forward for Danny review on his UE630X, I was eyeing for that as well but somehow the 65" seems to have better black compare to 58". I am not sure if it uses different panel. The price gap between 58 and 65 is ~3k.
For FHD, the 60LE90x Quattron is better in term of color and for ASTRO viewing, currently <5k.

When compare among Sharp 65UE630X Sony 65X8500 Toshiba 65L9450 Panasonic 65AX800 and 60CX700, Sharp is the best to my eyes, Sony next followed by Panasonic and last goes to Toshiba.

Happy shopping for those look for new TV....
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The LE90x can't produce blacks. Looked grey to me.
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post Jan 25 2016, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 25 2016, 10:52 PM)
It's not fair to compare apple and orange lol . Why you compare 1080p with 4k ?  hmm.gif
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Same price bracket.

IF Proton Preve and Mazda 3 same price, why cannot compare? Although one is rubbish and the other a globally acclaimed car.
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post Jan 25 2016, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 25 2016, 11:13 PM)
Same inch at same price?
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Yes. 50" Sony W800C and 50" Toshiba L9450 in the same price bracket. Clearly it won't be at the exact same price. I ordered my L9450 for RM2,9xx. The 50" W800C is around RM3,099 at most places. The Toshiba is at RM3,399 at most places. They are both in the RM3000 to RM3500 price bracket.

What kind of stupidity to compare things at the exact same price? Hardly common.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 27 2016, 02:04 PM)
I bought the Samsung 55" JS7200. Picture quality is very good and the colours are amazing. Some say the black levels are not good but for a living room tv it is simply great. May not be suitable for movies in a dark room.

Smart functions are great too. Netflix and youtube in 4k is very very good and instantly noticeable compared to 1080p. Managed to install plex and can play movies from my NAS, plex is awesome compared to my previous himedia 910b that I use to access my NAS.

Only problem is HBO GO and other US streaming apps are not available and I have problems with ARC. May have to make do with optical cable.
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Price paid?
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post Feb 2 2016, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 31 2016, 12:29 PM)
Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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Did you try by displaying black picture on screen and turn the lights off? Sounds to me like typical black uniformity issues of LCD, especially edge lit ones in bigger sizes.

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_10.html
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 2 2016, 04:25 AM)
After reading I found that it is inherent problem with all Led Tvs. As long as it is not apparent on normal viewing it's ok.
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Yup, limitation of the technology itself. Things will improve as we go along, like OLED. The link does give some calibration tips to lower the impact.

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What’s the best bang for buck 65” tv with HDR & wide color gamut?

So far LG 65UJ652T seems good on paper.
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post Mar 31 2018, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 31 2018, 09:25 AM)
Very seldom you can choose any TV based on paper.
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Which is why I'm here seeking feedback. Better to hear from someone who owns it and is living with it.

 

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