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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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post Jan 29 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Yup, that's why I gravitated to this thread when I first saw it because I'm also shopping around for one.
I agree. But also note that the TV is the most expensive item in the whole equation. So naturally it needs to have the most consideration. Picture quality above all else and then other function priorities fall into place according to one's own need.
Yes I'm aware that good smart TVs already have built in Netflix app and other apps as well. My preference for an external Android box is not and should not be interpreted as the only sensible route to getting Netflix 4K. I mentioned my need for an external Android box is so that I can retire my old HTPC.
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You are on the right track. Getting the Nvidia Shield box + a decent 4K TV should be okay.. After reading your posts, my main concern would be the use of optical cable from the TV to the soundbar as opposed to a HDMI cable. Need to be careful not to buy a TV that dumbs down incoming surround sound signals to a stereo PCM signal. You would be surprised how many TVs out there do that. Since most of Netflix's HD is DD 5.1, that would suck. This is related to running the Netflix app on the Smart TV itself.
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post Jan 29 2016, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 01:37 PM)
With optical cable you still can get 5.1. Only if you are using RCA then you get 2.0.

However soundbar can never get true 5.1, the sound only comes from the front speaker at the bottom of the TV.
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You won't if the TV does not support surround audio passthrough via optical link. Most TVs will only passthrough a PCM stereo signal via optical link regardless of what is being sent through. Check your TV Manual, it'll confirm this. This is not about the universal limitations of a toslink connection... those remain.

While simulated surround is thing. There are soundbars that come with subwoofers. I.e. jchue73's Yamaha YSP-2500 with Wireless Subwoofer. For some people, that's close enough while maintaining a certain aesthetics look.
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post Jan 29 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 29 2016, 03:43 PM)
Noted, most probably those that don't are the older models which do not have Smart TV and Android TV and would not support built-in Netflix either, but good to check before buying.

So far I can confirm that the Sharp UE630X supports 5.1 as well as ARC.

Those who are planning to setup a home theatre it is advisable to setup your room first before anything else. Find out where you want to put your cables, speakers, amps, and if you plan ahead you can easily hide all the wires and get the best sound without going for inferior soundbar.

Another option is to find wireless adaptor for rear speakers. Normally only the cables to the rear speaker is visible. The front 3 is behind the TV cabinet.
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I agree... Placement of everything within the room is very important. Can be for sound, aesthetics or both. Nowadays and with the internet, one has to plan and research first before spending thousands on electronics meant for long-term usage. A moot point if one is reading this smile.gif

QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jan 29 2016, 03:53 PM)
True about the optical link from TVs. Apparently whether the TV will pass-through 5.1 or not depends on the brand and not the model of TVs. There was a test done on this and they showed that some brands don't pass-through 5.1 audio via optical no matter what and other brands do.

Found the link:
http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-tested-whi...to-a-sound-bar/

Article is from 2013. Not sure if things have changed since then.
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Need to confirm just in case. Can be done either in store by staff or through the manual, which can be downloaded off the manufacturer's website. For most, its not a big deal, especially if you've found that TV with PQ you can live with. Better safe than sorry.
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post Jan 31 2016, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Jan 31 2016, 12:29 PM)
Ok I've checked using your test video. On green, red it is not so noticeable, but on grey scene it is uneven and can see led light bleed.

I also noticed it on my HTC One M8 hand phone though. Does it mean it is defective or it is the character of the led backlight?
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I think such is the norm for most LED TVs.. Getting a warranty claim for such is dicey and your TV might be returned with an even worse panel, so best to stick with the current panel if it's not too disturbing. For handphones, I doubt that but I guess it depends on the screen type.. Samsung flagship phones with Super AMOLED screens aren't plagued by such issues. 4K OLED displays are the future as they do not require to be backlit. Hoping the R&D guys iron out the current bugs & achieve cheaper manufacturing costs..
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post Feb 2 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 2 2016, 11:29 AM)
Any idea if it is edge lit or back lit?
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Back-lit.
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post Feb 2 2016, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 2 2016, 04:11 PM)
I don't see the article specificly mentioning that this TV is backlit.
The term LED back lit is genericly used to denote LED backlighting / edgelighting. Also, the article is a very casual press release. Does not go into any details whatsoever, so I believe they are using the term "backlit" loosely.
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It's Back-lit... Sharp Malaysia's website confirms it.. Check the specs listing... If it were edge-lit, they'd specifically mention it and the light at the edge of the panels would have been noticeably brighter (not dimmer) than other areas, when a grey background is displayed.

*Remarks: LED TV refers to LCD TV with LED Back-lit.

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post Feb 4 2016, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 09:29 AM)
I have a 55" Samsung JS7200 tv and I am currently using a Roku 3 for streaming and a Himedia 910B for local files through a NAS.
I intend to get a 4K capable box which can do streaming as good as the Roku and handle local files with HD audio. But can't find any that fits the bill within a reasonable budget.
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What's your reasonable budget? Obviously, if it's too low, you don't get the good stuff. There are very limited & capable boxes that can stream like the Roku. Especially if powered by Android.

Edit: probably not a discussion for this thread...

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post Feb 4 2016, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 12:52 PM)
Budget 500-600. Anything to recommend?
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At minimum... Double your budget.. Can consider the Nvidia Shield TV box or a custom HTPC.. Alternatively, you can get the Roku 4 for about RM800.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 4 2016, 01:38 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation. The shield has a shortage of apps and while I do game, I am on the red side not green so there is a hardware limitation there. Also I don't want to build a htpc coz the cost for decent one is closer to rm2k.. The roku 4 is not ideal for local media and the streaming part does not add anything to what I already have via roku 3 and the tv's tizen.
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You r welcome.. Seems like only a decent HTPC can improve your current setup.. So you essentially answered your question.. smile.gif
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post Feb 4 2016, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 4 2016, 04:30 PM)
actually, i was thinking of venturing into htpc last year.

considering all the $ i already spent on the several boxes (in various locations of the house), portable hdd's.... plus the new $ required.... i decided no.

decided to spend on new 4k tv, just make full use of whatever hardware i have now with unifi30.

one cannot keep spending money trying to keep up! laugh.gif
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Yeah.. Keeping up is a pain... That's why I've begun saving & refused to trade up to a 4K TV just yet... IMO, an ideal setup includes a lovely 70" 4K Smart TV + regular Android OS apps support or Android TV + access to regular android apps, a custom HTPC (hardware upgradeable), a decent NAS system & router to boot. The icing on the cake being Google's 1Gbps gigabit Internet + TV service.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 4 2016, 07:11 PM)
Yup. You and me pretty similar.  thumbup.gif Still waiting for that 4K TV. If planning to make your system not become obsolete fast, sometimes a little bit more spending is required.

Say did anybody see the new 4.9 mm super thin Sony 4K TV? I saw the 65 inch the other day and thought it was quite beautiful.  wub.gif But price wise not beautiful.  cry.gif
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Yeah, more spending is required. Though, with tech this days, its like once released for sale on the market, its already obsolete. So my main concern is purchase satisfaction. Read about the Sony TVs... That has to go up on the wall, can't risk it tipping over.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 4 2016, 09:06 PM)
that will come! biggrin.gif

if one is to start from scratch, say... rm20k?

assuming home theater 4k, dd atmos capable already in place.
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Oh yeah, forgot to include sounds systems into the setup... Overkill.... A/V Receiver capable of DTS:X and Dolby Atmos 9.1.2 speakers config.... drool.gif drool.gif ... Starting from scratch, top of the range everything can easily surpass RM100K. There's a thread up on avsforums dedicated to "casual" discussions about ultra high-end HT systems costing minimum $20K.. Wow! Much cash... Guess some folks really don't mess around with sound quality huh..
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post Feb 9 2016, 08:05 AM

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IMO, I believe it's best to get a HT/AVR with ARC, ample HDMI inputs and at least 1 HDMI output. At the very minimum, HD audio support up to the popular Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Maybe even Dolby Atmos. Cuz I believe (wouldn't blame them) TV manufacturers worry more about picture quality than HD audio options.
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post Feb 11 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 11 2016, 08:00 AM)
I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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Yeah, same point... TVs (more towards PQ improvement than audio)... For those that want more, an external player & AVR that supports MKV, MP4, ISO, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc will do.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
Well TVs are adding all this smart functions but they are all half baked coz these TVs can't even pass 5.1 properly let alone HD / aural audio. I suppose they just want to cater to the masses and keep costs down.

Maybe we will see a TV with built in AVR sometime in the future or maybe some form of project ARA for TVs  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 02:13 PM)
Yes, codec licensing appears to be an expensive affair to the extent that even mass manufacturers don't want to support them. In reality we are probably talking about just USD1-5 per item which I am sure most of us will gladly pay but manufacturers want to keep costs down as much as possible.
Sometimes its also that the hardware (SoC) is unable to support the audio but I have seen many cases where the SoC is disabled to not support the audio format due to licensing.
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A TV with built-in basic features of an AVR? Perhaps.. Maybe the guys @ Xiaomi can make this a reality.. The Samsung One Connect Evolution Kit is kinda similar to being a "project ARA" for TVs. Well, the closest at least for now. Profits-wise, I doubt any all-in-one package will be introduced. It's like today's smartphones, manufacturers simply won't make that one phone to rule them all for a couple of years (minimum), why? Cuz they want us to replace it, there'll always be something missing.. biggrin.gif

Sure, those in the know who care about audio passthrough, formats, high res audio, etc won't mind paying even an extra $25 per TV to get codecs supported etc. But from the manufacturer's point of view, $25 x say 200 million units is a lot of lost profit, especially when the people who care about such issues are definitely "negligible" in the grand scheme of things. When a new UHD/SUHD is launched, people go gaga over color reproduction, clarity, motion, processing speed, upscaling engines, etc.. Very rarely do they bother about sound since TV speakers don't cut it anyway. I think the only way they'll all budge, is if it's made an international standard/requirement that all TVs (@ least Mid-range & above) be able to play and passthrough (HDMI) the latest codecs onto a supporting AVR/HT. That just might do it... smile.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 11 2016, 06:58 PM)
right... from a tv mfg biz perspective, there is little incentive to incorporate more peripherals as it will cost more, customers may not like it.

sharp once had a model that incl a bluray disc player. it died very quickly. biggrin.gif

androids already in, better audio maybe possible. the android i have on my sharp 4k tv is quite good. in fact, it is better than my android box in some ways, e.g. that it is certified by neflix, can get uhd videos.

that tells me if the big corps have it their way, they will do it if the demand is such - say, if no more DVD's just BDs with hd audio and IPTVs provide mostly HD audio... TV makers will have HD audio codecs, ready to go into AVRs, expanded UI to cater to other apps. they will surely do that if they can sell the TV at a higher price/margin.

a matter of $ and cents...
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Exactly.. nod.gif I'm hoping in the next 3 - 5 years, significant & CHEAPER improvements would have been made in the TV industry.

QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 07:13 PM)
I doubt that hd audio will become mainstream enough anytime soon. The audio stream size is too big for sattelite, iptv and cable. If it can get through this hurdle then we have a chance.

But maybe by that time we will have UHD audio with smaller size streams.
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True... Thing is, the tech to accomplish this has been available.. Take the new video compression standard, H.265, capable of significantly better compression performance and lower bandwidth utilization. Now, coupled with Gigabit Ethernet, adapters & Internet speed... Way more than enough to power 4K IPTV... Provided those in charge make the proper switches... About 80 years ago, roughly when commercial television broadcasts started in the US, talks about 1080p or 4K streaming would have been considered works of science fiction. But here we are today... Speaking of gigabit Internet speeds.. Malaysia boleh? tongue.gif
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post Feb 19 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 19 2016, 03:25 PM)
The obstacle will be more on the side of broadcasters. Currently most can't even do 1080p, let alone 4K with HD audio. As for internet speeds, gigabit speeds for home users will eventually arrive in Malaysia in a couple of years but even developed countries are still struggling with VDSL speeds (AU, US). So most probably will only be available in major cities.
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I agree and I'm fine with it taking a few years to achieve, cuz major technological changes do take awhile to be implemented & become mainstream. Take IPv6 adoption rate, since 2009 till date & it's still hovering around a 10% worldwide adoption rate.. Question is.. Are the necessary infrastructure being planned now?
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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Feb 25 2016, 12:14 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3877181
Sharp being bought over
lol i just got the Sharp 58 inch...
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No worries, Apple trusts Foxconn.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(qkumba @ Feb 25 2016, 08:16 PM)
It cant be repaired? What are those lines?
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Done the usual troubleshooting like picture reset, HDMI & Power cable swap, Source checks, etc? Can be repaired if you get the right repairer & replacement parts.. Lines are called.. "Defects".
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post Feb 28 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(t1231 @ Feb 28 2016, 07:27 AM)
Hi, it seems this 630x is good. How about Sharp's service, ie if in future any thing goes wrong with the unit and it needs service, is Sharp having a good record or reputation? How many years of warranty for this model? So far, what I heard and experienced is that Panasonic's service is really good, don't know much about Sharp.
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Currently, SHARP is being bought over by Foxconn. $6 billion deal. At the moment, the deal's shaky as Foxconn isn't liking some new found information.. So support future-wise, yet unknown. Don't let that put you off buying a SHARP TV if you like it.. We are not talking shares here.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Feb 28 2016, 09:21 AM)
Nonsense.

Does what happen in the foxconn deal
Will affect the sharp tv in my house??

Electronic product is very easy to compare.

But i think 7k for tv is not a good deal.
I would go for a 3.5k fhd projector
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Makes so much sense...

Yes it does, if the new buyer decides to shutdown the TV manufacturing & support section.. In case you are unaware; Currently, Sharp supplies Apple with LCD displays for iPhones in addition to being a leading television maker and selling audio equipment, home appliances and more. The company has fallen on hard times recently, incurring a net loss of nearly $1.9 billion in the fiscal year ending March 2015. It also must repay $4.3 billion it had borrowed by March; Foxconn reportedly was willing to take on the debt. Foxconn isn't stupid to take on such debts without having an ulterior motive in place.. More so, when they are the ones who assemble Apple's products.. Link that if you can.. So yes, future support wise, it will affect your TV (should it develop a serious issue) if Sharp is handled as Nokia was by Microsoft.. Remember that?

A good TV can belong in any living room, etc.. I doubt even the best projectors can do the same.. Besides, maybe you really like projectors, others really like TVs. So, if you are unwilling to spend 7K or more on a TV, that's just your opinion. Some are willing to spend over 20K, it's their funds & satisfaction..

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