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post Oct 2 2015, 10:29 AM, updated 10y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.  We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.  Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.  We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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post Oct 2 2015, 10:30 AM

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link to V 11
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3633445

ROI, CAGR, and IRR are all general metrics that tell you the return of your investment in different ways.
ROI, CAGR, and IRR are all general metrics that tell you the return of your investment in different ways.
post# 2377, page# 119
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry76580122

Don’t Be Fooled Looking at Only Mutual Fund Rankings
http://www.msn.com/en-my/money/mutualfunds...d=mailsignoutmd

those that wanted to time by waiting for the NAV to be lowered by a few % before buying
answer see post# 437, page# 22
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3730638/+420

Question: with IRR <4% for >2 years, don't you have any home loan? Isn't it better to just leave the money in the home loan account?
Ans: post# 133 page# 7
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3730638/+120

If investing in unit trust can make me lose money, why invest then?
see link at page# 122, post# 2423
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3730638/+2420

Maximum return with minimum risk
see page# 121, post# 2414
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3730638/+2400

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yay new thread~

still considering which prs to go for... probably CIMB based on their good past performance...
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post Oct 2 2015, 10:51 AM

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Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

First Investment Date: 15/08/2014




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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2015, 10:51 AM)
Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

First Investment Date: 15/08/2015
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rclxub.gif portfolio less than 2 months?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 2 2015, 10:58 AM)
rclxub.gif  portfolio less than 2 months?
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LOL. human error... typo
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Not bad Adele biggrin.gif
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Coming in. Hello!

Epf money just came in.

Going to inject some money into ponzi 2.0. Pink spider what else should I top up?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2015, 11:01 AM)
Not bad Adele biggrin.gif
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the sad part is the highest ROI/IRR comes from a bond fund which is like 5% of the invested portfolio...

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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee wub.gif  ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap Fund  ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund  ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

p/s: Reason for nickname Ponzi Because of its impressive return in short term (historical)


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Hi, i have a question.
How long does a transaction takes?
The customer support told me it's T+4 days
But the FAQ told me it's the same day or next day.
Btw, I am buying KGF using FPX
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 2 2015, 02:50 PM)
Hi, i have a question.
How long does a transaction takes?
The customer support told me it's T+4 days
But the FAQ told me it's the same day or next day.
Btw, I am buying KGF using FPX
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4 days depending if you transact before the cut off time and of course near the weekend. I just purchased funds today so by next thursday i will see it in my holdings
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 2 2015, 02:50 PM)
Hi, i have a question.
How long does a transaction takes?
The customer support told me it's T+4 days
But the FAQ told me it's the same day or next day.
Btw, I am buying KGF using FPX
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This promotion is eligible to investors (new or existing PRS investors) who invest a minimum of RM3,000 in ONE PRS Fund in a single transaction during the promotion period.
All cash payments and completed forms must reach us by 11am, 30 November 2015.
A pair of GSC Movie e-Vouchers will be given out to investors who invest a minimum of RM3,000 in one PRS Fund in a single during the promotion period.
This promotion does not apply to transactions involving Intra Switch Buy and Inter Switch Buy.
Each person is only entitled to a pair of Movie e-Vouchers.
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hmmmm...a pair of tickets is just 30 bucks. this is a sucky campaign
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 2 2015, 04:29 PM)
lol juz realize the title.

tongue.gif  biggrin.gif Najibnomics to lift KLCI?  laugh.gif
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Or u prefer

"Rosie's LargeValue Buys"? tongue.gif
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Malaysia still attractive for equities investment, says Eastspring
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"Malaysian market is much more stable compare to that of Hong Kong, South Korea or Taiwan.

"Investments coming into Malaysia could be long-term pension funds and pension funds. Some of them (investors) are not withdrawing their money just because of short-term volatility.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ment/?style=biz
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Malaysian investors’ interest to invest abroad increases in 2H15, says Eastspring
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Findings show that majority of investment continues to stay within Malaysia but some outflows to various markets like Japan and Asia Pacific are expected in the next six months, with home (Malaysia) allocation potentially dropping from 70% to 59% in 2H15.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/m...?type=Corporate
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 2 2015, 08:02 AM)
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif as pointed by @mum,
your IRR changed 3.7% in a month... rclxms.gif
high volatile portfolio?? brows.gif brows.gif

sad.gif blush.gif mine only varied + 0.9%
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Volatile is good... whistling.gif sweat.gif
I think it change a lot because of additional investment during market down causing IRR to spike higher. yes/no?


QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2015, 07:46 AM)
rclxms.gif wow.....end Sept IRR is 6.75%
recalled that your end Aug IRR is 3.05%
1 mth IRR Up 3.70%.... rclxms.gif
hmm.gif assuming you had this portfolio for 2 years.....your ROI portfolio for this months is + > 7%
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Unfortunately my portfolio has change a lot due to distributing them among 5 beneficiary accounts and doubling of portfolio size. I'm quoting just the main portfolio, the rest are quite small in size. Also need to cut down main portfolio IRR to 6.54% due to 2 of the funds NAV was actually dated 29/9 as highlighted by wil-i-am.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 2 2015, 09:33 PM)
Volatile is good... whistling.gif  sweat.gif
I think it change a lot because of additional investment during market down causing IRR to spike higher. yes/no?
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hmm.gif don't know how to prove it, but I think "YES", especially if the additional investment is large, the time frame is short and the ROI is a lot.....because there had been shown by other before that short term ROI would spike the IRR number....
I think they called it "extrapolation of the return"
what you think? YES too?
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Hi guys..

Can recommend me a low cost index fund to invest in? Planning to do a regular savings plan

Thanks
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Oct 3 2015, 11:11 AM)
Hi guys..

Can recommend me a low cost index fund to invest in? Planning to do a regular savings plan

Thanks
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If u wanted an index fund that invests in Malaysian stocks...forget about it. Good local equity funds can easily beat index.

If u wanted an index fund that tracks GLOBAL equities, there is none in FSM.

But FSM has a good Developed Market (US + Europe + Japan) equity fund in CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 3 2015, 11:16 AM)
If u wanted an index fund that invests in Malaysian stocks...forget about it. Good local equity funds can easily beat index.

If u wanted an index fund that tracks GLOBAL equities, there is none in FSM.

But FSM has a good Developed Market (US + Europe + Japan) equity fund in CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund.
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Thanks!

For CIMB global titans fund, says here the discounted sales charge is 2%, means i only get this discounted charge for the first month right? and the month after that how much is the sales charge
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Oct 3 2015, 11:19 AM)
Thanks!

For CIMB global titans fund, says here the discounted sales charge is 2%, means i only get this discounted charge for the first month right? and the month after that how much is the sales charge
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NORMAL sales charge is if u buy from bank

Discounted here means the charge if u buy from FSM
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Thanks!

For CIMB global titans fund, says here the discounted sales charge is 2%, means i only get this discounted charge for the first month right? and the month after that how much is the sales charge
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Q: What are the New Account Benefits?

A: With effect from 02/02/2012, Fundsupermart.com Malaysia will be providing exclusive benefits to new account holders.
These benefits include:

1) Sales charge capped at a maximum of 1% (normal FSM sales charge is 2%).

2) Regular Savings Plan (RSP) sales charge capped at 1% for first 6 monthly deductions.

These benefits are applicable to UNLIMITED purchases of ANY unit trust, up to a period of 30 calendar days upon account activation.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...t-Benefits-5904

Q: What kind of charges do I have to pay?

A: There are 2 types of charges. One is the sales charge and the other is the annual expense of the fund.
The normal sales charge for most equity funds are around 7%. However, at Fundsupermart, the advantage is that most equity funds are sold at around 2% sales charge. The sales charge is applied at purchase.

The annual expense of the fund is what is charged to the fund. This includes the fund manager's annual management fee, and other administrative fees that are incurred in the running of the fund. You do not really need to fork out additional money to pay for the annual management charge to the fund manager. They will actually deduct it from the Net Asset Value of the fund daily, and the published price will take into account of the pro-rated annual management charge.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...tribution--1083



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If u want a "pseudo-index fund", u can easily create one on your own on FSM.

Say, u want to have
20% exposure to Emerging Markets,
30% exposure to Asia excluding Japan (bear in mind, most Asia ex Japan countries are also part of Emerging Markets), and
50% exposure to Developed Markets

Just create a portfolio in this proportion:
20% Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets (this fund tracks EM index quite closely)
30% CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income and/or AmAsia Pacific Equity Income
50% CIMB Global Titans and/or Aberdeen Islamic World Equity

And you have a portfolio that tracks global markets...

Note: The percentages above is entirely up to your judgement, u may tweak as u see fit. I'm 36% exposed to Developed Markets. wink.gif

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For reference...MSCI World index
https://www.msci.com/resources/factsheets/i...world-index.pdf
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2015, 10:51 AM)
Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

First Investment Date: 15/08/2014
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wow, 36.57% for asian total return fund really looks impressive, are you going to take out the earnings soon or let it ride?

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wow, 36.57% for asian total return fund really looks impressive, are you going to take out the earnings soon or let it ride?
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Must be newly add fund .
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Both RHB ATR n RHB-O AIF still displayed NAV @ 30/9 shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2015, 10:51 AM)
Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

First Investment Date: 15/08/2014
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May I know where you get the values for IRR and ROI? Do you compute yourself? And the invested portfolio IRR of 8.24% is it for your whole portfolio including weightings? On hindsight, should have put everything into RHB asian total return? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Brandon323 @ Oct 4 2015, 10:21 AM)
May I know where you get the values for IRR and ROI? Do you compute yourself? And the invested portfolio IRR of 8.24% is it for your whole portfolio including weightings? On hindsight, should have put everything into RHB asian total return? tongue.gif
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Of course he computed himself. doh.gif
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QUOTE(repusez @ Oct 3 2015, 03:20 PM)
wow, 36.57% for asian total return fund really looks impressive, are you going to take out the earnings soon or let it ride?
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that one is IRR... investment period less than one year. started investing in February this year. i'm not 'taking' profit because investment amount too little. a very small portion of the portfolio in FSM.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 5 2015, 09:46 AM)
that one is IRR... investment period less than one year. started investing in February this year. i'm not 'taking' profit because investment amount too little. a very small portion of the portfolio in FSM.
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But about 20% of ROI is also impressive!
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very quiet... market green green...

my referral token expiring tomorrow and i still don't have anything to top up. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 5 2015, 06:39 PM)
very quiet... market green green...

my referral token expiring tomorrow and i still don't have anything to top up.  rclxub.gif
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Then why you delaying
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 5 2015, 07:39 PM)
very quiet... market green green...

my referral token expiring tomorrow and i still don't have anything to top up.  rclxub.gif
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yea... green green rclxms.gif
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‘YTD cumulative net foreign outflow rises to RM18.3b’

KUALA LUMPUR: After a high tide the week before, the outflow of foreign funds from the local equity market reverted to its “normal” pace last week, according to MIDF Research.

However, MIDF Research head Zulkifli Hamzah said the year-to-date cumulative net foreign outflow rose to RM18.3 billion.

He also said the heavy swings in the movement of funds in the last two weeks proved to be a transient phenomenon.

He said investors classified as “foreign” remained net sellers on Bursa Malaysia last week and that foreign funds

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Reporting in !!!! ^>^...

3 red 1 barely green. LOL~~~


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Reporting in !!!! ^>^...

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I see a lot of ppl (even fms) recommend RHB ASIAN TOTAL RETURN FUND
But when i check the performance analysis, it seems to severely underperform against the benchmark.
May I know what is the reason?
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I see a lot of ppl (even fms) recommend RHB ASIAN TOTAL RETURN FUND
But when i check the performance analysis, it seems to severely underperform against the benchmark.
May I know what is the reason?
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performance analysis? i see the chart and its been going green since its inception. what talk you?
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Oct 7 2015, 09:23 AM)
I see a lot of ppl (even fms) recommend RHB ASIAN TOTAL RETURN FUND
But when i check the performance analysis, it seems to severely underperform against the benchmark.
May I know what is the reason?
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hmm.gif maybe partly because of this?....
The fund posted a lower losses compared to its benchmark over the past three years. The fund’s also registered a 3-year annualised volatility of 3.48% which was also lower than its benchmark’s 3-year annualized volatility of 3.97%.
.....Even with a riskier portfolio’s composition compared with other bond funds, the fund has yet experienced any default in the past 10 years, demonstrating excellent fund management skills.
click at RHB Asian Total Return Fund for detailed analysis as at March 2015
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

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Take benchmark comparison with a pinch of salt...

Let's say fund A's benchmark is X
While fund B's benchmark is XY
Both fund A and B are similar funds
Do u select B over A just because B outperformed its benchmark? Even though A's performance is comparable to B's?

Also...

Let's say the benchmark is some index...

Do u have direct access to that index?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 7 2015, 10:23 AM)
Take benchmark comparison with a pinch of salt...

Let's say fund A's benchmark is X
While fund B's benchmark is XY
Both fund A and B are similar funds
Do u select B over A just because B outperformed its benchmark? Even though A's performance is comparable to B's?

Also...

Let's say the benchmark is some index...

Do u have direct access to that index?
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It did say the benchmark is CS Asian Bond Corporate Total Return Index, but I have no idea what that index meant.

QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 7 2015, 10:25 AM)
i think he meant this...
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Thanks, that what I meant.
The FMS analysis says that "From a performance perspective, the fund delivered a better performance on a longer term basis as it outperformed the benchmark for the three year period on a cumulative basis."

But the graph shows that RHB Asian Total Return Fund return is 45.47 while the index (CS Asian Bond Corporate Total Return Index) shows 63.39. I am totally confused by that analysis
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Since the ringgit is marginally stronger these 2 days, is it a good time to buy foreign equity funds like ponzi2.0 and GTF? Or maybe even asian total return?
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I entered around the time before 1mdb came crashing down.... LOL....

Any insights?

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Since the ringgit is marginally stronger these 2 days, is it a good time to buy foreign equity funds like ponzi2.0 and GTF? Or maybe even asian total return?
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If u blif USD/MYR continue to appreciate, yes

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EI Small Cap = -6.5%
KGF = -1.56%
CIMB APDIF = - 1.76%
Titanic = +1.84%
adoi.....hahahaha..
I entered around the time before 1mdb came crashing down.... LOL....

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After looking at it for 30 mins, decided that the increase in the index will likely exceed the forex factor. So will stick to the usual RSP gameplan
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lol. for now i will just continue dumping money into them haha
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After looking at it for 30 mins, decided that the increase in the index will likely exceed the forex factor. So will stick to the usual RSP gameplan
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Any possibility for FSM to introduce promotion in sales charge in conjunction with Awal Muharam?
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In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1% hmm.gif
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RHB Asian Income, RHB Asian Total Return (fixed income) they were below my radar previously. For better or worse, my prejudice with bond is that she is boring and as beautiful as my 90year old Granny. But after re looking at them, they do present some interesting numbers.

I will, in my free time, throw these numbers into algozen™ and see whether they can be part of a good portfolio or not... watch this space.

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Dumping in  monthly?
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In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1%  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 7 2015, 12:58 PM)
RHB Asian Income, RHB Asian Total Return (fixed income) they were below my radar previously. For better or worse, my prejudice with bond is that she is boring and as beautiful as my 90year old Granny. But after re looking at them, they do present some interesting numbers.

I will, in my free time, throw these numbers into  algozen™ and see whether they can be part of a good portfolio or not... watch this space.

Xuzen
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Can I suggest to look into EI Asia pac shariah fund too? It's looking quite attractive even when I ignore the one off return sometime between 3-6 months


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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 7 2015, 12:19 PM)
In volatile markets like this, if you do lumpsum investments, it's better to catch the market when it's lower than when there is a sales charge discount right? usually when market is down, it's more than 1%  hmm.gif
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what is a volatile market?do we measure volatility on a daily/weekly/monthly/annual basis or premise upon one's subjective feeling?

how do we enumerate volatilty ?is there a metric to measure volatility

thank you sir for ur reponse
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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 7 2015, 04:19 PM)
what is a volatile market?do we measure volatility on a daily/weekly/monthly/annual basis or premise upon one's subjective feeling?

how do we enumerate volatilty ?is there a metric to measure volatility

thank you sir for ur reponse
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pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh

Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gif ) notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 7 2015, 04:51 PM)
pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar  laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh
sirs


Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gifnotworthy.gif
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sir if sd is an indicator of the volatility of markets what is then a 'normal'market?or is there a normal market to begin with ?
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Bro, don't be coy lar - i know U know but, for the sake of clarifications on my own thoughts:

1. SD is used as an indicator of volatility by some folks.
Note - i don't consider volatility per se, it's just movements to me

2. Normal market?
depends on the "normal" from which point of view lor
1 year movements?
5 years movements?
10 years movements?
Note - some fund houses and folks tend to state the 1 year's "average returns"+/- XX%

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so.. whatcha think on how to better invest (with higher probability) other than plodding along with DCA/VCA
+ juiced via SD?
or other methods of cost vs valuations?

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is RM strengthening good for local share market?
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is RM strengthening good for local share market?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 7 2015, 04:51 PM)
pardon me for butting in - interesting subject close to my heart notworthy.gif

While i agree that one can't get "the lowest low" & "the highest high"
AND buying LUMP SUM based on "volatility" is a bit.. daft..,
IMHO, there is a statistical / probability way to hedge one's investing's ins & outs.

Standard Deviation (SD in short)
If an investment's cost (usually called price) moves waaaaay too far from it's SD,
then there is a higher probability that the reverse will happen.
In simple talk - some calls this reversion to mean / "return to norm".

eg.
if S&P500 has fallen to below -2SD, probability is high that if one buys then and can hold it,
one's probability to make $ is >95% ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395...%80%9399.7_rule )

eg2.
of course, the reverse is also true
if S&P500 has risen to above +2SD, probaility is high that if one buys then...

Again no 100% probability lar  laugh.gif
but, hey, it's like a lelong or crazy cost vs value gauge.

The only issue is - does one use 1yr, 3yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs cost or price data to calculate the SD
Vs current cost or price?
Personally - i look at 1yr, 6yrs & 9yrs SD
Gives me a good idea of recent, the mid and the longer term.
Then i buy MORE (on top of my value averaging) or i buy LESS / divest & move into another investment heheh

Just a thought and open to bettering the concepts above via ding-dong (argument, discussion, blah blah tongue.gifnotworthy.gif
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Time to buy AmCommodities. tongue.gif
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Of coz
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Nice increase in portfolio value these 2 days.. Hehe..

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Nice increase in portfolio value these 2 days..  Hehe..
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How many % if compared to position @ 30/9?
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How many % if compared to position @ 30/9?
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IRR @ 3.8%

Most of my funds are back to GREEN.
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mine and yours almost SAME SAME.
due to the good overall mkts performance of the past few days
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mine and yours almost SAME SAME.
due to the good overall mkts performance of the past few days
hope it will continue to go up for a few weeks?  sweat.gif  biggrin.gif
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mine and yours almost SAME SAME.
due to the good overall mkts performance of the past few days
hope it will continue to go up for a few weeks?  sweat.gif  biggrin.gif
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IMF Warns of Growing Emerging-Market Risks as Fed Nears Liftoff
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The IMF warned officials to protect their financial systems from possible instability as the U.S. Federal Reserve prepares to raise interest rates, saying shocks or policy missteps risk derailing the global economy and triggering equity market sell-offs.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...d-nears-liftoff

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My IRR shoot up to 10.34%. Main contributors are AmPrecious Metal, CIMB GCF and TA GTF
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end Sept portfolio IRR 6.54%
6 Oct portfolio IRR 10.34%
IRR Up 3.8% in just a few days
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My portfolio as it stands currently:

1) CIMB Global Titans (32%) - bought in April 2015 - up 8.6%
2) Ponzi 2.0 (29%) - bought in April 2015 - down 2.18%
3) Big Cap China (22%) - bought April 2015 - down 10.96%
4) Aberdeen Islamic (17%) - bought Feb 2015 - up 4.26%

Should I do any tweaking especially for Big Cap China?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 8 2015, 08:57 AM)
My portfolio as it stands currently:

1) CIMB Global Titans (32%) - bought in April 2015 - up 8.6%
2) Ponzi 2.0 (29%) - bought in April 2015 - down 2.18%
3) Big Cap China (22%) - bought April 2015 - down 10.96%
4) Aberdeen Islamic (17%) - bought Feb 2015 - up 4.26%

Should I do any tweaking especially for Big Cap China?
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hmm.gif just my opinion...
Reduce # 3 to 11% and increase to # 2
more upside potential with reduced risk..
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My port just recover from the China Fiasco... now its ROI is +1.89%. It took about three mths for it to come back to positive territory. F3cking SSE! vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

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My port just recover from the China Fiasco... now its ROI is +1.89%. It took about three mths for it to come back to positive territory. F3cking SSE!  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif

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My IRR shoot up to 10.34%. Main contributors are AmPrecious Metal, CIMB GCF and TA GTF
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just a click of the button....(Thanks to Polarzbearz's file)
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Some traders said Thursday's euphoria might be short lived, citing upcoming economic data and third-quarter company earnings reports as major risks.

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not sure about others, but i do it almost everyday....
just a click of the button....(Thanks to Polarzbearz's file)
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It can swing up and can swing down as much too. My IRR is out of whack already due to too much recent top-up I think. Similar IRR effect as fund bought less than a year.
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if oil move upwards, ringgit follow suit rclxm9.gif isnt the oil rebound expected? biggrin.gif
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It can swing up and can swing down as much too. My IRR is out of whack already due to too much recent top-up I think. Similar IRR effect as fund bought less than a year.
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if oil move upwards, ringgit follow suit  rclxm9.gif  isnt the oil rebound expected?  biggrin.gif
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eunittrust is offering 0% SC on 50 funds from 6 Oct- 6 Nov 2015..

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all the hypes in Asia Pacific wiped off by the sudden rise of ringgit ... seeing some unit trust plunged like 3-4 % ... anyone for Ringgit 3.8 USD smile.gif?
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all the hypes in Asia Pacific wiped off by the sudden rise of ringgit ... seeing some unit trust plunged like 3-4 % ... anyone for Ringgit 3.8 USD smile.gif?
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Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?

in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah?

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Greetings.

We are extremely happy to tell you that RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class) has now launched and it is available for subscribe in our platform before 18 November 2015, 3 p.m. This is a closed-ended fund that invests in private equities. The fund is managed with the goal of achieving superior long term investment returns by opportunistically investing in pre-IPO (50%) and special situation deals (50%).Specifically, the fund targets to invest in securities of listed and/or non-listed companies and/or other assets including but not limited to pre-IPO private equity investments (both early and late stage pre-IPO deals), asset back investments, portfolio acquisition and specialized financing with features of downside protection and upside sharing.

In terms of geographical allocation, the fund’s initial target allocation will be 50% in ASEAN, 30% in North Asia and the remaining 20% in the rest of the world (a heavy overweight position in Asia and Emerging Markets). However, the fund’s geographical allocation may be adjusted from time to time at the discretion of the Fund Manager. (read more on Private Equity)

Why Private Equity can be your alternative investment tool?

· Superior returns (kindly refer to article above)

· Off-market assets and privately-negotiated investments (usually available for institutional investors only)

· The stability (illiquidity, lower volatility) and customizable nature of the financing arrangement enable private equity fund manager with more bargaining power, in terms of returns, exit strategies and downside protection measures

· Not limited to listed securities only (where returns are generally dictated by the overall market direction)

· Lower correlation with the stock or bond market (diversification of portfolio)

· Illiquid nature of private equity fund “ensure” you stick to long term (5-6 years) investment plan without exit market due to emotion

Please ensure that you are clear about the fund investment lock in period as stated below and all the fund details which attached in the attachment or stated in Information Memorandum / Product Highlight Sheet before make your investment decision. (especially Investment Strategy, Benchmark, Tenure and maturity and Distribution Policy)


Tenure
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Closed for subscription
From 18 November 2015 after 3pm until maturity date
Estimated Maturity Date
18 November 2020 (No Redemption until Maturity Date)



You may wish to look at the track record and performance the RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-curent) managed by the same private equity investment team with the same strategy.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-current), 1 Year (as at 31st August 2015) NAV up 30.9%* (excluding cash distribution),
2015 Q2 Cash Distribution of 1.3%
2015 Q3 Cash Distribution of [1.6]% (in process)
2015 Q4 Cash Distribution is expected to continue based on the current information provided by the portfolio companies

Important Remarks
This is a wholesale fund, therefore self-declaration as Qualified Investor is required before purchase for this fund. You will find the list of requirement when you click to view this fund RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance.

Thank you and have a pleasant day.

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Brazil’s sovereign rating being downgraded, Indonesia’s next?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...’s-next--6392

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 7 2015, 10:41 PM)
mine and yours almost SAME SAME.
due to the good overall mkts performance of the past few days
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Question: with IRR <4% for >2 years, don't you have any home loan? Isn't it better to just leave the money in the home loan account?
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hmm.gif Good question.....but as UTs is an investment.....one just does not know how the end results goes...mainly due to some pre informed risks associated with investment....like an example....
"General Risks of Investing in Unit Trust Funds"
http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...rust_Funds.aspx
sometimes for some people...their IRR can be much higher than the housing loan rate/personal loan rate.....
sometimes for some people...their IRR can be much lower than the fixed deposit rate/saving account rate....
sometimes for some people...their IRR can be in negative numbers too......
I think that same can goes to any investment.....
I guess best is go for a few investment types and be in mind of one risk appetite and emotional limitations

doh.gif alamak..almost forget...unless 100% sure, never use borrowed money to invest....(this includes money intended for housing loan repayment)

QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 03:00 AM)
Question: when you guys report the IRR or ROI is it in net terms meaning already deducted the SC?
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Not sure about others,....as for me, I calculated from amount invested (including SC). I think some people calculated it (excluding SC).

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 9 2015, 12:28 AM)
Received this email today.

Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?

in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah? (maybe partly due to EQ by the FED?)

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hmm.gif RHB-OSK PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 2 ....(2014)...min investment is RM 50 000.. sweat.gif
maybe can get find some usefulness in this "Old" article...
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 August 4, 2014
In this article, we will be identifying some of the reasons why investors should consider private equity investments through RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2
Author : iFAST Research Team
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ion-Fund-2-4845
just a note in the conclusion section...
"....... the key deciding factor here will be illiquidity and we strongly suggest investors who are interested in this fund to take this factor into serious consideration before making the decision of investing in this fund."

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It can swing up and can swing down as much too. My IRR is out of whack already due to too much recent top-up I think. Similar IRR effect as fund bought less than a year.
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hmm.gif had been thinking about this "effect" for a while...
hmm.gif should I "believes" when a guy came up to me showing me how his own portfolio performed in term of IRR and ask me to let him manage my portfolio for a fees too?
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Measuring The Risks In Unit Trust Investing
By: Fundsupermart.com

In this article, we share with you how you can measure risk using three simple measures when investing in unit trusts.

Investors often focus on performance when deciding on which unit trust to buy. While this is an important consideration, investors should take note of other factors as well. One such factor to consider is the risk of investing into a particular unit trust. This is because markets can be volatile and uncertain, thus knowing the risk level of a specific unit trust will help investors to decide if it suits their risk profile.
http://www.sharesinv.com/articles/2012/08/...rust-investing/

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[quote=guy3288,Oct 9 2015, 12:28 AM]
Received this email today.
Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).
I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?
in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.
--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah?
Thanks

The risk rating must b @ 10

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hmm.gif had been thinking about this "effect" for a while...
hmm.gif should I "believes" when a guy came up to me showing me how his own portfolio performed in term of IRR and ask me to let him manage my portfolio for a fees too?
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I think normal top up should not affect IRR much but mine is like doubling the amount invested in some of the funds.
As for the amateur fund manager, how much is he charging? You should ask him for more detail like his IRR volatility.
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I think normal top up should not affect IRR much but mine is like doubling the amount invested in some of the funds.
As for the amateur fund manager, how much is he charging? You should ask him for more detail like his IRR volatility.
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I think normal top up should not affect IRR much but mine is like doubling the amount invested in some of the funds.
As for the amateur fund manager, how much is he charging? You should ask him for more detail like his IRR volatility.
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it was a few months back,...while waiting for my wife at Tesco...there was a kiosk set up by a FH...the Sales showed me his own portfolio IRR...asked me to buy his FH funds and he said will help me monitor it to try be to like his IRR...

first is to see IRR then IRR volatility.....what is next?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 9 2015, 12:28 AM)
Received this email today.

Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?

in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah?

Thanks
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Greetings.

We are extremely happy to tell you that RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class) has now launched and it is available for subscribe in our platform before 18 November 2015, 3 p.m. This is a closed-ended fund that invests in private equities. The fund is managed with the goal of achieving superior long term investment returns by opportunistically investing in pre-IPO (50%) and special situation deals (50%).Specifically, the fund targets to invest in securities of listed and/or non-listed companies and/or other assets including but not limited to pre-IPO private equity investments (both early and late stage pre-IPO deals), asset back investments, portfolio acquisition and specialized financing with features of downside protection and upside sharing.

In terms of geographical allocation, the fund’s initial target allocation will be 50% in ASEAN, 30% in North Asia and the remaining 20% in the rest of the world (a heavy overweight position in Asia and Emerging Markets). However, the fund’s geographical allocation may be adjusted from time to time at the discretion of the Fund Manager. (read more on Private Equity)

Why Private Equity can be your alternative investment tool?

·          Superior returns (kindly refer to article above)

·          Off-market assets and privately-negotiated investments (usually available for institutional investors only)

·          The stability (illiquidity, lower volatility) and customizable nature of the financing arrangement enable private equity fund manager with more bargaining power, in terms of returns, exit strategies and downside protection measures

·          Not limited to listed securities only (where returns are generally dictated by the overall market direction)

·          Lower correlation with the stock or bond market (diversification of portfolio)

·          Illiquid nature of private equity fund “ensure” you stick to long term (5-6 years) investment plan without exit market due to emotion

Please ensure that you are clear about the fund investment lock in period as stated below and all the fund details which attached in the attachment or stated in Information Memorandum / Product Highlight Sheet before make your investment decision. (especially Investment Strategy, Benchmark, Tenure and maturity and Distribution Policy)


Tenure
5+1 years
Closed for subscription
From 18 November 2015 after 3pm until maturity date
Estimated Maturity Date
18 November 2020 (No Redemption until Maturity Date)



You may wish to look at the track record and performance the RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-curent) managed by the same private equity investment team with the same strategy.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-current), 1 Year (as at 31st August 2015) NAV up 30.9%* (excluding cash distribution),
2015 Q2 Cash Distribution of 1.3%
2015 Q3 Cash Distribution of [1.6]% (in process)
2015 Q4 Cash Distribution is expected to continue based on the current information provided by the portfolio companies

Important Remarks
This is a wholesale fund, therefore self-declaration as Qualified Investor is required before purchase for this fund. You will find the list of requirement when you click to view this fund RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance.

Thank you and have a pleasant day.

Regards,
Sean Lian
Client Investment Specialist, Penang
Hotline: (04) 6401567
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the min investment is rm 50k if I'm not mistaken
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KLCI surges past 1,700 as ringgit rallies

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Asia Forex: Ringgit, rupiah jump

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Foreign funds extend buying interest on Bursa

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 03:00 AM)
Question: when you guys report the IRR or ROI is it in net terms meaning already deducted the SC?
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how to deduct SC? It is part of our cost in doing the investment right?
Any idea if Polarbearz's file excluded this SC??


QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2015, 06:55 AM)

The risk rating must b @ 10
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worth it if can make money, i got few FSM UTs rated 10 also.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 9 2015, 11:41 AM)
I guess u must be HNWI in FSM to get tis kind of e-mail offer notworthy.gif
the min investment is rm 50k if I'm not mistaken
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200k only la.
min this time i think is 100. what do u think, can make money there?
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how to deduct SC? It is part of our cost in doing the investment right?
Any idea if Polarbearz's file excluded this SC??
worth it if can make money, i got few FSM UTs rated 10 also.
200k only la.
min this time i think is 100. what do u think, can make money there?
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Don't deduct.

SC is part of your COST.

For true assessment of your Return on Investment, u need to take into account all your costs.
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Guys, my FD amounting to 30k will mature next month. Can someone let me know should i put the whole thing into unit trusts how. I am at a lost with what to do with this huge chunk of cash.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:31 PM)
Guys, my FD amounting to 30k will mature next month. Can someone let me know should i put the whole thing into unit trusts how. I am at a lost with what to do with this huge chunk of cash.
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hmm.gif will you be NOT touching this money in the next 5 years or more?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2015, 01:57 PM)
Good news for local market:

KLCI surges past 1,700 as ringgit rallies

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...lies/?style=biz

Asia Forex: Ringgit, rupiah jump

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...jump/?style=biz

Foreign funds extend buying interest on Bursa

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ursa/?style=biz
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hmm.gif will you be NOT touching this money in the next 5 years or more?
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thats for my wedding fund. my plant is to take out my epf account 2 (once every monthly) after 1.6 years which is another 30k.

so 30k from FD and another 30k from EPF. Dont know what to do.

wedding 3 years from now.
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Just realized even if you have too much cash on hand, you are also stressed about it. no money also stress. apa lah!
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:48 PM)
thats for my wedding fund. my plant is to take out my epf account 2 (once every monthly) after 1.6 years which is another 30k.

so 30k from FD and another 30k from EPF. Dont know what to do.

wedding 3 years from now.
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hmm.gif gets into something that is NOT so volatile.....3 years is a short period.....scare wedding "kena" postpone later ha-ha.
EPF is giving about 6% risk free...is another 2% extra for the next 2 yrs worth that risk?,,, i would not recommend it...
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:48 PM)
thats for my wedding fund. my plant is to take out my epf account 2 (once every monthly) after 1.6 years which is another 30k.

so 30k from FD and another 30k from EPF. Dont know what to do.

wedding 3 years from now.
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Worst case...don't marry laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:49 PM)
Just realized even if you have too much cash on hand, you are also stressed about it. no money also stress. apa lah!
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rclxms.gif that is a GOOD or Positive stress... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 9 2015, 02:53 PM)
hmm.gif gets into something that is NOT so volatile.....3 years is a short period.....scare wedding "kena" postpone later ha-ha.
EPF is giving about 6% risk free...is another 2% extra for the next 2 yrs worth that risk?,,, i would not recommend it...
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FD it is then. I have to take out my account 2 to marry. Damn asian weddings arent fucking cheap. Plus i dont want to burden my divorced parents.


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Worst case...don't marry laugh.gif

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cannot la bro. her parents already asking when are they gonna marry.

QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 9 2015, 02:55 PM)
rclxms.gif that is a GOOD or Positive stress...  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:57 PM)
FD it is then. I have to take out my account 2 to marry. Damn asian weddings arent fucking cheap. Plus i dont want to burden my divorced parents.
cannot la bro. her parents already asking when are they gonna marry.

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hmm.gif getting more than 1 at one go? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif biggrin.gif
1/2 in FD and 1/2 in BOND?
from teh last few pages,....algozen will be coming out with an update on 2 bond funds status soon i guess...

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 9 2015, 03:02 PM)
hmm.gif getting more than 1 at one go?  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  biggrin.gif
1/2 in FD and 1/2 in BOND?
from teh last few pages,....algozen will be coming out with an update on 2 bond funds status soon i guess...
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oh yes i saw. think Ill just lump it all in bonds then.

1 bottle of beer says he will recommend RHB emerging markets bond fund
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 03:05 PM)
oh yes i saw. think Ill just lump it all in bonds then.

1 bottle of beer says he will recommend RHB emerging markets bond fund
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just a note: not all bond funds are the same...
FSM in July, advises investors reduce their exposure to longer-duration developed sovereign debt which is the most susceptible to rising yields, while opting for shorter duration bond funds which are far less interest rate sensitive. Riskier segments of fixed income such as non-investment grade debt offer investors a higher rate of return with lower interest rate risk and could be considered by investors who have the ability to accept the associated higher credit risks.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...unds-Shone-6056
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 9 2015, 03:14 PM)
just a note: not all bond funds are the same...
FSM in July, advises investors reduce their exposure to longer-duration developed sovereign debt which is the most susceptible to rising yields, while opting for shorter duration bond funds which are far less interest rate sensitive. Riskier segments of fixed income such as non-investment grade debt offer investors a higher rate of return with lower interest rate risk and could be considered by investors who have the ability to accept the associated higher credit risks.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...unds-Shone-6056
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By the way, all my funds are in red today. Looks like the RM is starting to bounce back
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FSM Fund Choice: RHB Asian Income Fund [October 2015] at 1% SC
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2015--6394

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FSM Fund Choice: RHB Asian Income Fund [October 2015] at 1% SC
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2015--6394
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U can create your own Asian "Income" balanced fund by mixing CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic Income with RHB Asian Total Return.
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U can create your own Asian "Income" balanced fund by mixing CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic Income with RHB Asian Total Return.
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i been doing it without even realizing it. Sigh. Sometimes i feel i am just cruising with UT.
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U can create your own Asian "Income" balanced fund by mixing CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic Income with RHB Asian Total Return.
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I was tempted to write a simple yes / no on the bond fund as part of the portfolio but my educationist in me compel me to write a longer "cheong-hei" piece for educational purpose.

I) Inveesting is an art. In art first we are taught to draw a line. A line is one dimensional. In investing, the first line / dimension we learn is Return of Investment (ROI) =

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


II) Once we are good, we learn to draw a the width and length to make a simple diagram, e.g., a rectangle (two dimension object). In investing, the second dimension is time. ROI per annum also called Compounded Annualised Growth Rate (CAGR) / Internal Rate of Return (IRR).

III) But in real life, object are 3D, never 2D. So in art we learn to add depth to a drawing to produce drawing and the outcome is a 3D drawing that create realism. In investing, the 3D is risk. The conventional way of measuring risk is taking the standard-deviation (Std-Dev) of a series of measurement over a defined period of time.

---- to be continued ---


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Any idea why the sudden drop in Global Titans? NAV price 7 Oct

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Any idea why the sudden drop in Global Titans? NAV price 7 Oct
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Ringgit strengthening against USD.
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Any idea why the sudden drop in Global Titans? NAV price 7 Oct
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Ringgit strengthening against USD.
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yeap as expected. =(
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yeap as expected. =(
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MYR strengthen from 4.4X to 4.1X but still above 4 mad.gif
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MYR strengthen from 4.4X to 4.1X but still above 4  mad.gif
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well if that "someone" step down & his darling company solve the problem. then we might see 3.80 whistling.gif
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Just realized even if you have too much cash on hand, you are also stressed about it. no money also stress. apa lah!
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Can lend some to me?
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well if that "someone" step down & his darling company solve the problem. then we might see 3.80  whistling.gif
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Why still high at 3.8?
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Why still high at 3.8?
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how much u want? hmm.gif
even the so-called "expert" say 3.60 is the "actual" value of MYR nod.gif
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how much u want?  hmm.gif
even the so-called "expert" say 3.60 is the "actual"  value of MYR  nod.gif
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Back to 3.2 level..

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Back to 3.2 level..
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MYR strengthen from 4.4X to 4.1X but still above 4  mad.gif
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slowly lar bro. the climb only started this week isn't it (this whole week everyday climb). 4.4 to 4.1 in 1 week is around 8-9% in a week ler. tak kan you want 30% in a week?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 02:15 PM)
Don't deduct.

SC is part of your COST.

For true assessment of your Return on Investment, u need to take into account all your costs.
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Yes of course it has to be calculated but why I'm asking is because most tools out there simply ignore this SC cost including the FSM mobile (without login, I don't have an account never login before). example 100K investment with 2% SC. they simply take 198k as your capital and calculate your returns. the 2k is simply unaccounted for. the same thing for my KGF with login (actual portfolio).
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 9 2015, 03:17 PM)
FSM Fund Choice: RHB Asian Income Fund [October 2015] at 1% SC
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2015--6394
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my very 1st unit trust bought from a bank in oct 2012. now return +30% blush.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 9 2015, 02:57 PM)
FD it is then. I have to take out my account 2 to marry. Damn asian weddings arent fucking cheap. Plus i dont want to burden my divorced parents.
cannot la bro. her parents already asking when are they gonna marry.
perks of adulthood. diew
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60k also might not be enough.. pray hard the wedding banquet can break even biggrin.gif
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60k also might not be enough.. pray hard the wedding banquet can break even  biggrin.gif
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Pump big her belly...

Then u are in control...u hold the chips... brows.gif

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 10:15 PM)
slowly lar bro. the climb only started this week isn't it (this whole week everyday climb). 4.4 to 4.1 in 1 week is around 8-9% in a week ler. tak kan you want 30% in a week?
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RM climb or USD drop? More like the latter.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:37 PM)
Pump big her belly...

Then u are in control...u hold the chips... brows.gif

Honeymoon wedding can setel ph34r.gif
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a kid will cost at least $500K (birth to 3+1 Uni) leh..
not too logical to save pennies and be killed by the pound tongue.gif
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RM climb or USD drop? More like the latter.
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I'm talking this week only ok. RM is up against USD, Pound, Euro, SGD. so it's RM up or USD down?
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Pump big her belly...

Then u are in control...u hold the chips... brows.gif

Honeymoon wedding can setel ph34r.gif
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oi oi u dun like that ah biggrin.gif later he really do that then jialat
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 9 2015, 04:47 PM)
I was tempted to write a simple yes / no on the bond fund as part of the portfolio but my educationist in me compel me to write a longer "cheong-hei" piece for educational purpose.

I) Inveesting is an art. In art first we are taught to draw a line. A line is one dimensional. In investing, the first line / dimension we learn is Return of Investment (ROI) =

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


II) Once we are good, we learn to draw a the width and length to make a simple diagram, e.g., a rectangle (two dimension object). In investing, the second dimension is time. ROI per annum also called Compounded Annualised Growth Rate (CAGR) / Internal Rate of Return (IRR).

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


III) But in real life, object are 3D, never 2D. So in art we learn to add depth to a drawing to produce drawing and the outcome is a 3D drawing that create realism. In investing, the 3D is risk. The conventional way of measuring risk is taking the standard-deviation (Std-Dev) of a series of measurement over a defined period of time.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


---- to be continued ---
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Continue:

IV) Now we are aware of the 3D of investing, let's move on to the fourth dimension. In art, it is called colour... coz in the real world we look at things in colour, not grey scale. In investing, when we start putting different risky assets together, we call it a portfolio. ROI, risk are parameters that are good for choosing one single asset. But when you need to put a number of assets together, you need another parameter called correlation coefficient (greek symbol is Rho).

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Now that I have given you all the theory, let's move on to the gist of what I want to say....


RHB Asian Total Rtn and RHB Asian Income on its own are good fund if seen from its risk to reward ratio. But when I throw it into Algozen™, it got spit out because they are too highly correlated to Ponzi 2.0. Ponzi 2.0 is still by far a more superior fund compared to the RHB ones, it reject the former in lieu of for Ponzi 2.0.

In conclusion; Algozen™ still maintain Ponzi 2.0 + Titanic + small cap for the best diversification.

RHB emerging mkt bond fund is not considered at all because it does not have long track record hence automatically excluded - Avangelice you owe me a beer!

Xuzen

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QUOTE(dexk @ Oct 9 2015, 10:48 PM)
I'm talking this week only ok. RM is up against USD, Pound, Euro, SGD. so it's RM up or USD down?
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USD has been going down as well, so may be compound effect?
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oi oi u dun like that ah biggrin.gif  later he really do that then jialat
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With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
Demi maruah lelaki flex.gif

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Back to topic tongue.gif

With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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Bingo.... Just the comment I need...

RM is strengthening. If we buy today,and RM continue to strengthen against the greenback.... does it means the NAV will continue to fall? Example if top up Titanic. xD
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
Demi maruah lelaki flex.gif

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Back to topic tongue.gif

With Ringgit (temporary) strengthening, and US stocks recovery not-so strong, I think a good time to buy more Global Titans. Let's see if this situation persists on Monday... wink.gif
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I am topping up on Ponzi 2.0, Small cap & Titanic on Monday!

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 9 2015, 10:59 PM)
Bingo.... Just the comment I need...

RM is strengthening. If we buy today,and RM continue to strengthen against the greenback.... does it means the NAV will continue to fall? Example if top up Titanic. xD
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Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

I THINK the risk is worth taking icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 9 2015, 11:02 PM)
Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

I THINK the risk is worth taking icon_idea.gif
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hmm.gif digesting the meaning of the words. LOL...

I think I understand... haha..

Was seeing from ringgit dropping point of view... Didn't take into account dow's side... hmmmm....interesting...
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Continue:

IV) Now we are aware of the 3D of investing, let's move on to the fourth dimension. In art, it is called colour... coz in the real world we look at things in colour, not grey scale. In investing, when we start putting different risky assets together, we call it a portfolio. ROI, risk are parameters that are good for choosing one single asset. But when you need to put a number of assets together, you need another parameter called correlation coefficient (greek symbol is Rho).

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Now that I have given you all the theory, let's move on to the gist of what I want to say....
RHB Asian Total Rtn and RHB Asian Income on its own are good fund if seen from its risk to reward ratio. But when I throw it into Algozen™, it got spit out because they are too highly correlated to Ponzi 2.0. Ponzi 2.0 is still by far a more superior fund compared to the RHB ones, it reject the former in lieu of for Ponzi 2.0.

In conclusion; Algozen™ still maintain Ponzi 2.0 + Titanic + small cap for the best diversification.

RHB emerging mkt bond fund is not considered at all because it does not have long track record hence automatically excluded - Avangelice you owe me a beer!

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Hahahahaha I owe you a beer then buddy! Thank you for the insight though. Looks like I'm heading to the right track.
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Emphasis on the word "temporary" bro...

Dow and S&P 500 not really flying + Ringgit strengthening/Dollar weakening = u are buying US stocks "cheaper"

2 scenarios:
(1) Later Ringgit resumes its fall = u win, Dow and S&P 500 no need fly also u gained
(2) Ringgit stabilises BUT Dow and S&P 500 resumes their bull run = u win also

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wah, what happened to the 3rd scenario? RM continue to climb/USD continue to fall and KLCI continue to rally? or even the 4th scenario, US growth story fail to take off. DJIA today = 17088, 52 week high = 18,351, 52 week low = 15,370. what is the upside for DJIA compare to the risk?

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wah, what happened to the 3rd scenario? RM continue to climb/USD continue to fall and KLCI continue to rally?
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RM continue to climb? I think many think that the MOST RM can go against USD is 3.80 hmm.gif

Read the Fed's words...

US is actually in quite a good position now, they basically CAN raise rates now, but they CHOSE not to cos:
(1) they wanna keep US exports competitive
(2) they wanna avoid "hot" money flushing back to US uncontrollably
(3) if (2) happens, emerging markets die, effect of which will eventually flow to US businesses (e.g. Chinamen stop buying Pradas, Guccis, Nikes, Chevrolets etc, who will die?)

IMHO KLCI is back to fairly valued territory already, esp the blue chips/large caps
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RM continue to climb? I think many think that the MOST RM can go against USD is 3.80 hmm.gif

Read the Fed's words...

US is actually in quite a good position now, they basically CAN raise rates now, but they CHOSE not to cos:
(1) they wanna keep US exports competitive
(2) they wanna avoid "hot" money flushing back to US uncontrollably
(3) if (2) happens, emerging markets die, effect of which will eventually flow to US businesses (e.g. Chinamen stop buying Pradas, Guccis, Nikes, Chevrolets etc, who will die?)

IMHO KLCI is back to fairly valued territory already, esp the blue chips/large caps
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of course there is are reasons they chose not to. isn't it bad enough if you buy Monday and RM goes from 4.1 to 3.8? anyway, i'm also watching this GTF and RHB big cap china. so tempted to go in couple of weeks back (as posted here then). if I had, it would have been neutral I think. GTF lost, and big cap china gain.
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of course there is are reasons they chose not to. isn't it bad enough if you buy Monday and RM goes from 4.1 to 3.8? anyway, i'm also watching this GTF and RHB big cap china. so tempted to go in couple of weeks back (as posted here then). if I had, it would have been neutral I think. GTF lost, and big cap china gain.
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Ringgit strengthening is in large part due to the news of TPPA, right? I suspect it will run out of steam very soon.
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Ringgit strengthening is in large part due to the news of TPPA, right? I suspect it will run out of steam very soon.
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BNM making a statement against 1MDB
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This steam is on a roll here
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Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?

in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah?

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Greetings.

We are extremely happy to tell you that RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class) has now launched and it is available for subscribe in our platform before 18 November 2015, 3 p.m. This is a closed-ended fund that invests in private equities. The fund is managed with the goal of achieving superior long term investment returns by opportunistically investing in pre-IPO (50%) and special situation deals (50%).Specifically, the fund targets to invest in securities of listed and/or non-listed companies and/or other assets including but not limited to pre-IPO private equity investments (both early and late stage pre-IPO deals), asset back investments, portfolio acquisition and specialized financing with features of downside protection and upside sharing.

In terms of geographical allocation, the fund’s initial target allocation will be 50% in ASEAN, 30% in North Asia and the remaining 20% in the rest of the world (a heavy overweight position in Asia and Emerging Markets). However, the fund’s geographical allocation may be adjusted from time to time at the discretion of the Fund Manager. (read more on Private Equity)

Why Private Equity can be your alternative investment tool?

·          Superior returns (kindly refer to article above)

·          Off-market assets and privately-negotiated investments (usually available for institutional investors only)

·          The stability (illiquidity, lower volatility) and customizable nature of the financing arrangement enable private equity fund manager with more bargaining power, in terms of returns, exit strategies and downside protection measures

·          Not limited to listed securities only (where returns are generally dictated by the overall market direction)

·          Lower correlation with the stock or bond market (diversification of portfolio)

·          Illiquid nature of private equity fund “ensure” you stick to long term (5-6 years) investment plan without exit market due to emotion

Please ensure that you are clear about the fund investment lock in period as stated below and all the fund details which attached in the attachment or stated in Information Memorandum / Product Highlight Sheet before make your investment decision. (especially Investment Strategy, Benchmark, Tenure and maturity and Distribution Policy)


Tenure
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Closed for subscription
From 18 November 2015 after 3pm until maturity date
Estimated Maturity Date
18 November 2020 (No Redemption until Maturity Date)



You may wish to look at the track record and performance the RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-curent) managed by the same private equity investment team with the same strategy.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-current), 1 Year (as at 31st August 2015) NAV up 30.9%* (excluding cash distribution),
2015 Q2 Cash Distribution of 1.3%
2015 Q3 Cash Distribution of [1.6]% (in process)
2015 Q4 Cash Distribution is expected to continue based on the current information provided by the portfolio companies

Important Remarks
This is a wholesale fund, therefore self-declaration as Qualified Investor is required before purchase for this fund. You will find the list of requirement when you click to view this fund RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance.

Thank you and have a pleasant day.

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BNM making a statement against 1MDB
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TPPA

This steam is on a roll here
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Implications to local UTs?
Malaysia will use its state funds to put a floor under the country's battered stock market, though currency intervention and interest rate hikes are ruled out as tools to keep sharp falls in the ringgit in check, its deputy finance minister said.
"Every year these (domestic) pension funds are getting new funds almost close to 40-50 billion ringgit ($9.7-12.0 billion), so I think there is enough for them to continue buying while waiting for external factors to improve,"
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ocks/?style=biz

hmm.gif why tis time...no shout of "cronies bail out" or things like that?


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very very likely that would happen. I already sense it when the 1Mxx issue started to be "hot" icon_question.gif
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Implications to local UTs?
Malaysia will use its state funds to put a floor under the country's battered stock market, though currency intervention and interest rate hikes are ruled out as tools to keep sharp falls in the ringgit in check, its deputy finance minister said.
"Every year these (domestic) pension funds are getting new funds almost close to 40-50 billion ringgit ($9.7-12.0 billion), so I think there is enough for them to continue buying while waiting for external factors to improve,"
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ocks/?style=biz

hmm.gif why tis time...no shout of "cronies bail out" or things like that?
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Japan, The Undervalued Heavyweight
Many investors have been too focused on the ever changing daily macroeconomic news and the recent market volatility that they have overlooked the massive corporate improvements already well under way in Japan. Companies have been aggressively reducing their debt levels leaving more profit for their shareholders. Balance sheets are strong and cashed up. Profit margins are rising. Not only are Japan's banks strongly positioned to fund growth but Japan's companies are also well placed to deliver positive earnings. And, thanks to Abenomics, the yen is ferociously competitive.

There is a range of unexpected investment opportunities in Japan - if you are willing to avoid the herd, find value and exercise patient.

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Just noticed tat some portfolios still shown NAV as at 7/10 instead of 8/10 shakehead.gif
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Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

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Just noticed tat some portfolios still shown NAV as at 7/10 instead of 8/10  shakehead.gif
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Recommend to use Bloomberg as an alternative to track NAV. So much faster. Can key in amount of units and price bought too.
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Hi, How do you calculate IRR and ROI?
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There is a simple to use file for download titled
Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation
in post #1
try it?
if you want a more 'canggih" one download the Polarzbears's one in post# 1 too....
(must have "good" excel knowledge to be able to use)

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Data as at 30 September 2015
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10526
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If underweight means need to reduce allocation?
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how many % you had allocated to it currently and
whether you are still confident about it and
whether you want to follow FSM's actions.
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Recommend to use Bloomberg as an alternative to track NAV. So much faster. Can key in amount of units and price bought too.
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well,1st come 1st ,what are these funds benchmark against?s&P 500 mcsi pacific ?mcsi ? ex japan mcsi emerging market ?klci?etc
after establishing the benchmark for reference
we can then compare the annualised return or the cagr or irr with the benchmark which will provide an indicaton of the return of the fund ie whether the fund has over or underperform the index.

this is just a crude approximation of the return using irr/cagr which has not taken the most important element deeply embedded in any investment vehicle ie risk into consideration

all this information is available in the prospectus

another erroneous or inaccurate assumption abt the japanese economy is that japanese comp.are deeply in debt
this is utter rubbish -jap economy was in the doldrums experiencing 10+years of deflation. they have amassed a formidable war chest during the pre bubble years before 1989 that was tug under the mattress and never seen the light of the day even as of 2015

one of the reasons for the spluttering growth despite japanese qe was mainly due to the big corporations not borrowing from the banks despite massive injection of credit into the system.they have hoarded enough monies to embark on any project if only the economy show any visible signs of emerging from the 'lost decade'

after the battering and ravages suffered by jap corp.during the bubble and deflation thereafter ,most of them are prudent with their monies and investment.at the consumer level,theres no burst of activity as jap is still mired in or suck into the deflationary spiral which seemingly is finding it extremely difficult to extricate from the quagmire

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Bloomberg Business Android app

Bloomberg Web version

Use the market watch list function.

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LIMA: Malaysia will use its state funds to put a floor under the country’s battered stock market, though currency intervention and interest rate hikes are ruled out as tools to keep sharp falls in the ringgit in check, its Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Johari Abdul Ghani said.

The world’s second-largest exporter of liquefied natural gas has been hit by the collapse in global crude prices that added to the pains of an economy grappling with mounting household debt.

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follow you guys.. topped up Ponzi 2 and Global Titans.
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Received this email today.

Anybody can study this: RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 (MYR class).

I dont quite know what it is..Need you guys' view
Is it a good UT to buy?

in particular this:
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO Fund (2011-2015), 4 years lock in period, 84% total returns for investors.

--> The last one launched made 84% in 4 years??
1 year average return 21%?? That sounds too good. betul kah?

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Guy3288, I am quoting from FSM's reply below to my e-mail. I hope this helps.

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Please be informed that for the sales charge will be strictly 2% in regardless of any situation as below:

Situations:
1.        Normal Investors = 2%
2.        FSM Rewards Program = 2% (regardless silver, gold and platinum)
3.        Intra switching from RHB equity to RHB equity = 2%
4.        New Account Benefits buying Pre-IPO = 2%
5.        Alternative transfer in from other portfolio is not allowed too.
This means that if you invest RM100k, the sales fees is RM2000K. You have to calculate the opportunity costs of not investing the RM2000k for the next 5 years. Your actual investment is only RM98K.

The fund is currently about 50% subscribed. Therefore they may close it before the expiry date of the IPO on 18th November 2015.

Let's look at the track record of RHB's previous IPO fund. I am quoting from FSM's reply below.

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RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 (09/2014-current), 1 Year (as at 31st August 2015) NAV up 30.9%* (excluding cash distribution), there were 2 times income distribution been declared and the second pay-out is in the process.
2015 Q2 Cash Distribution of 1.3%
2015 Q3 Cash Distribution of 1.6% (in process)
2015 Q4 Cash Distribution is expected to continue based on the current information provided by the portfolio companies
Fund Name Ex-Date Distribution Date1 Gross Income Distribution Rate Net Income Distribution Rate Net Income Distribution Rate (%)
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 28-Sep-2015 28-Sep-2015 RM 0.0162 per unit RM 0.0162 per unit 1.6%
RHB-OSK Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 2 18-Jun-2015 18-Jun-2015 RM 0.012856 per unit RM 0.012856 per unit 1.3%
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So is the RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 worth buying?

Strictly speaking, it is a private equity fund and NOT a unit trust. It is more like Warren Buffet's style of investing.

IMHO, it is suitable for "qualified investors" who are prepared to risk it all, i.e. suffer a 100% loss of capital. Therefore this means that it should only form 5% to 10% of our total portfolio.

A risk rating of 10 is not sufficient.
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Guy3288, I am quoting from FSM's reply below to my e-mail. I hope this helps.
This means that if you invest RM100k, the sales fees is RM2000K. You have to calculate the opportunity costs of not investing the RM2000k for the next 5 years. Your actual investment is only RM98K.

The fund is currently about 50% subscribed. Therefore they may close it before the expiry date of the IPO on 18th November 2015.

Let's look at the track record of RHB's previous IPO fund. I am quoting from FSM's reply below.
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So is the RHB PRE-IPO & SPECIAL SITUATION FUND 3 worth buying?

Strictly speaking, it is a private equity fund and NOT a unit trust. It is more like Warren Buffet's style of investing.

IMHO, it is suitable for "qualified investors" who are prepared to risk it all, i.e. suffer a 100% loss of capital. Therefore this means that it should only form 5% to 10% of our total portfolio.

A risk rating of 10 is not sufficient.
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Looks like you are considering it also. let me know if you decide to buy.
Suffer 100% loss i think is very very unlikely.
If after 5 years no profit already jialat liao.. We are buying on FSM's reputation.
If FSM bring us to holland, next time no business lo.
But previous series showed very good result, same management right?



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Thanks, i also enquired about that 2% fee, got same reply as you, abit disappointed.
Looks like you are considering it also. let me know if you decide to buy.
Suffer 100% loss i think is very very unlikely.
If after 5 years no profit already jialat liao.. We are buying on FSM's reputation.
If FSM bring us to holland, next time no business lo.
But previous series showed very good result, same management right?
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Yes, previous RHB fund series obtained good results. Some brief insights:-

Pros


1. We cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore no such thing as panic selling or making emotional decision. We cannot even check the NAV price every day if I am not mistaken.

2. Superior return and less volatile as compared to stocks and hedge funds?

Cons / Risks

1. Generally all the risks are stated in the Product Highlight Sheet.
2. Cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore we have to make sure that we have emergency fund for medical expenses, etc.
3. It is a closed ended fund and not a unit trust. Therefore there is no such thing as using DCA or Value Averaging to average down the costs of the NAV.
4. It is NOT capital guaranteed. The returns are also not guaranteed.
5. The fund is incorporated in the Cayman Islands. If things go south, I don't think even Securities Commission can help the investors.

Comparison with other products


1. EPF - Self contribution maximum up to RM60K per year. Minimum statutory annual dividend of 2.5% per annum. Capital guaranteed.

2. Insurance endowment policy. Minimum lock in period of 10 years? Interest rate and bonus of about 5% (my wild guess). Capital guaranteed.

3. Fixed deposit. Current return of about 4.05% for 12 months (Maybank). Minimum deposit RM30K. Capital guaranteed.


Conclusion

The RHB fund aims to double its investment in 5 years. This works out to a return of about 14.87 % per annum. Roughly you expect to see about RM14,870.00 return per year for a RM100k investment.

Yes, I believe it is the same management team as the previous RHB Fund. The fund managers are based in Singapore.

I agree that unlikely that it will suffer 100% loss. The only downside is the 5 years lock in period without any capital guaranteed. But this is how private equity funds work apparently.

So is the fund worth buying? I am not sure. See more info at
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...te-Equity--6375



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LOL. I thought you said it's a good time to topup? Haha. Wait for further ringgit depreciation ah?
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Yes, previous RHB fund series obtained good results. Some brief insights:-

Pros


1.  We cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore no such thing as panic selling or making emotional decision. We cannot even check the NAV price every day if I am not mistaken.

2.  Superior return and less volatile as compared to stocks and hedge funds?

Cons / Risks

1.    Generally all the risks are stated in the Product Highlight Sheet.
2.    Cannot redeem within 5 years. Therefore we have to make sure that we have emergency fund for medical expenses, etc.
3.    It is a closed ended fund and not a unit trust. Therefore there is no such thing as using DCA or Value Averaging to average down the costs of the NAV.
4.    It is NOT capital guaranteed. The returns are also not guaranteed.
5.    The fund is incorporated in the Cayman Islands. If things go south, I don't think even Securities Commission can help the investors.

Comparison with other products


1.  EPF - Self contribution maximum up to RM60K per year. Minimum statutory annual dividend of 2.5% per annum. Capital guaranteed.

2.  Insurance endowment policy. Minimum lock in period of 10 years? Interest rate and bonus of about 5% (my wild guess). Capital guaranteed.

3.  Fixed deposit. Current return of about 4.05% for 12 months (Maybank). Minimum deposit RM30K. Capital guaranteed.
Conclusion

The RHB fund aims to double its investment in 5 years. This works out to a return of about 14.87 % per annum. Roughly you expect to see about RM14,870.00 return per year for a RM100k investment.

Yes, I believe it is the same management team as the previous RHB Fund. The fund managers are based in Singapore.

I agree that unlikely that it will suffer 100% loss. The only downside is the 5 years lock in period without any capital guaranteed. But this is how private equity funds work apparently.

So is the fund worth buying? I am not sure. See more info at
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...te-Equity--6375
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LOL. I thought you said it's a good time to topup? Haha. Wait for further ringgit depreciation ah?
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No!

On the contrary...to top up when Ringgit APPRECIATES!

Buy when it is (relatively) cheap, remember?
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No!

On the contrary...to top up when Ringgit APPRECIATES!

Buy when it is (relatively) cheap, remember?
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Friday's appreciation not good enough ah? What's your TP?
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i kinda agree... wait for ringgit to appreciate... and 2 days up... then today down again... meh... not good enough to top up
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i kinda agree... wait for ringgit to appreciate... and 2 days up... then today down again... meh... not good enough to top up
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What if MYR depreciates further? The appreciation for those 2 days seem quite significant. What's your TP?

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What if MYR depreciates further? The appreciation for those 2 days seem quite significant. What's your TP?
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considering myr freefall from 3.6 to 4.4 and only back to about 4.15-ish region... i don't feel it's that significant...

no TP... gut feeling... this is not share market leh...




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For the near term, I'd THINK that 3.8-3.9 is "fair" for the Ringgit

I'd make my first top up when Ringgit goes BELOW 4.1 against the Dollar

But then again, I'm no currency expert, just my gut feeling. Don't follow me to Holland tongue.gif

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What Moody's Is Watching as Malaysian Credit-Default Swaps Soar
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...ault-swaps-soar

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What Moody's Is Watching as Malaysian Credit-Default Swaps Soar
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Equities Weekly: Strong Rebound In Ringgit Dampened Returns [9 Oct 15]

Ringgit has strengthened considerably over the week on the back of the increase in crude oil prices and a better than expected exports data in August. While all equity markets under our coverage produced positive returns in the local currency terms over the week, these returns have been wiped out or reduced significantly along with the strengthening Ringgit. Global equity markets as represented by MSCI AC World Index lost -3.16% over the week ended 9 October 2015. US’s S&P 500 Index and Europe's Stoxx 600 Index followed suit, with the index declining -3.47% and -1.30% respectively over the week. Japan's Nikkei 225 Index also fell -3.16% over the week.

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-9-Oct-15--6407
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Entering the last quarter of the year, many investors have started to plan their next year’s investment allocation and target. This article combines the market views and outlook of different fund house experts, providing investors with important insights of the 2016’s market.
Fund Houses’ 2016 Investment Outlook..... October 9, 2015
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10532

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Entering the last quarter of the year, many investors have started to plan their next year’s investment allocation and target. This article combines the market views and outlook of different fund house experts, providing investors with important insights of the 2016’s market.
Fund Houses’ 2016 Investment Outlook..... October 9, 2015
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10532
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THis is fr hong kong market right?
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THis is fr hong kong market right?
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the article is from FSM HK...
the markets outlook commentaries is NOT limited to HK mkts only...
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I checked at FSM website, in 1 week historical data:

I) Titanic dropped 3.21% (CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund)
II) Ponzi dropped 2.88% (CIMB-Principle Asia Pacific ex-Japan Dynamic Fund)

but

III) Small-Cap up 1.45% (Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund)
IV) Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif fund up 2.21% (Kenanga Growth Fund)

Diversification in action.

News will always be there, background noises will forever be present. What we as rational investors can do is to shut out the noises, place our bets at the most optimal risk-adjusted return position and wait for the profit to roll in.

Xuzen

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in Chinese ???
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what are you referring to?
Pls write a bit longer description....
if you are referring to the above article.....in post #251...
there is a 'switch" to English in that webpage...
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Entering the last quarter of the year, many investors have started to plan their next year’s investment allocation and target. This article combines the market views and outlook of different fund house experts, providing investors with important insights of the 2016’s market.
Fund Houses’ 2016 Investment Outlook..... October 9, 2015
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10532
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how come their sales charge is lesser. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 14 2015, 11:06 AM)
I checked at FSM website, in 1 week historical data:

I) Titanic dropped 3.21%
II) Ponzi dropped 2.88%

but

III) Small-Cap up 1.45%
IV) Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif fund up 2.21%

Diversification in action.

News will always be there, background noises will forever be present. What we as rational investors can do is to shut out the noises, place our bets at the most optimal risk-adjusted return position and wait for the profit to roll in.

Xuzen
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Mind to share what does u mean for item I untill IV? Nickname of the fund name?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 14 2015, 11:06 AM)
I checked at FSM website, in 1 week historical data:

I) Titanic dropped 3.21%
II) Ponzi dropped 2.88%

but

III) Small-Cap up 1.45%
IV) Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif fund up 2.21%

Diversification in action.

News will always be there, background noises will forever be present. What we as rational investors can do is to shut out the noises, place our bets at the most optimal risk-adjusted return position and wait for the profit to roll in.

Xuzen
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all four funds also i have... LOL....

although my nett is still -ve.

but i can see diversification in action.. lol. one down the other balances.



though... wanna ask.... if this +-+-+-, then means in the end also +- = 0?
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all four funds also i have... LOL....

although my nett is still -ve.

but i can see diversification in action.. lol. one down the other balances.
though... wanna ask.... if this +-+-+-, then means in the end also +- = 0?
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Mind to share what does u mean for item I untill IV? Nickname of the fund name?
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 14 2015, 12:54 PM)
all four funds also i have... LOL....

although my nett is still -ve.

but i can see diversification in action.. lol. one down the other balances.
though... wanna ask.... if this +-+-+-, then means in the end also +- = 0?
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1) In the long term, a good fund will give +ve ROI (all of them) - if lousy funds, the veteran investors here at LYN FSM thread would avoid it like the black plague and would have advised accordingly.

2) In the short term, the +-+-+- will reduce (NB: cannot completely cancel) the portfolio ups and downs giving you a smoother ROI curve. A rational investor wants a smooth and upward rising curve. He/she will try to avoid a jagged saw-tooth curve.

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what are you referring to?
Pls write a bit longer description....
if you are referring to the above article.....in post #251...
there is a 'switch" to English in that webpage...
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sorry bro...where is the switch? not see tx
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1) In the long term, a good fund will give +ve ROI (all of them) - if lousy funds, the veteran investors here at LYN FSM thread would avoid it like the black plague and would have advised accordingl.
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Downgraded US To 2.0 Stars "Unattractive"
now same 2 stars rating as Thailand... sweat.gif sweat.gif

Changes To Star Ratings 3Q 15: Lowered US, Holding Brazil & Thailand

Over 3Q 15, we lowered our ratings on the US equity market, and kept ratings for Brazil and Thailand unchanged.
iFAST Research Team ...... October 8, 2015

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/article/--10911

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 14 2015, 09:36 PM)
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wanna believes...
Downgraded US To 2.0 Stars "Unattractive"
now same 2 stars rating as Thailand... sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Changes To Star Ratings 3Q 15: Lowered US, Holding Brazil & Thailand

Over 3Q 15, we lowered our ratings on the US equity market, and kept ratings for Brazil and Thailand unchanged.
iFAST Research Team ...... October 8, 2015

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/article/--10911
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Previously was 2.5 Neutral right?

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may I know which bond fund do you recommend?
These are some of the funds recommended by fsm
1)RHB Asian total return fund --- the volatility seems to be very high
2) Eastspring investment bond ---- a spike in value (is it normal for a bond fund?)
3) RHB emerging market bond -- no comment?

Actually how to read the performance chart posted on fsm?I thought it is actually the NAV , but it is no.... I think I may have misinterpreted reading the chart...

and the chart appears to be different when i open using different chartcentre and factsheet


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may I know which bond fund do you recommend?.......
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while waiting for Sifus to come and response,...I googled and found this...hope they can be of some help..

Key Considerations When Investing In Bonds
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/bond/...-in-bonds-10104

Bond Investing Myths
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/bond/...ing-myths-10106

Investor Profile: Quick Start to Selecting a Bond for Investment
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/bond/...nvestment-10408

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Pinky still believes in US market whistling.gif
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yesterday added OSK GS US Equity. like that can add more?
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yesterday added OSK GS US Equity. like that can add more?
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Why don't just add more to Titanic?
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Why don't just add more to Titanic?
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I see GS US Equity already dropped quite alot from 0.85 to 0.78.
Very tempting
titanic got more potential?
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I see GS US Equity already dropped quite alot from 0.85 to 0.78.
Very tempting
titanic got more potential?
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For Titanic, If US market not doing well, fund manager can still move money to EU or JP. More diversified. Btw, don't buy funds because it is cheap. Need to see potential and risk also ma. Me also noobie. Hopefully Pinky don't bring me to Holland.

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For Titanic, If US market not doing well, fund manager can still move money to EU or JP. More diversified
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thanks current price should still be cheap right?
Already got some at 0.8528, so can add more tomorrow?.
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sorry off topic...just read this....seems doh.gif

The 15 richest families in Malaysia control assets worth 76 percent of the entire gross domestic product (GDP) of the country

Khazanah Research Institute Director Dr Muhammed Abdul Khalid said this at a Consumer Conference organised by the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Association yesterday.

Read more: https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/315763#ixzz3oYXred1N

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thanks current price should still be cheap right?
Already got some at 0.8528, so can add more tomorrow?.
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Cheap or not I don't know la. But MYR looks like depreciating. I would say hold your bullets first. Follow Pinky advice wait till MYR further appreciate to 3.8 so can buy cheaper tongue.gif

If you think MYR gonna depreciate further and market gonna be bullish then buy lo. It's up to your gut feeling biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 14 2015, 11:24 PM)
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sorry off topic...just read this....seems  doh.gif

The 15 richest families in Malaysia control assets worth 76 percent of the entire gross domestic product (GDP) of the country

Khazanah Research Institute Director Dr Muhammed Abdul Khalid said this at a Consumer Conference organised by the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Association yesterday.

Read more: https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/315763#ixzz3oYXred1N
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Exclude GLC? The 15 richest families' assets include those in other countries?
What you will hear gomen saying is that: Bumi are still poor and need more government help.
And bijan will say: Malays without umno will bangsat.
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guys, i wanna ask regarding on this ponzi style investment tongue.gif
if i go to fund selector, and sort based on highest ROI for 1 month, it says 4%.
is that mean 4% for 1 month or it is annualized?
because i see for 2 years and more, the ROI says % with annualized but for less than 1 year, it dont.
is that mean if a person invest for 1 month with 4% ROI, 12 months equivalent to ~50%? drool.gif

*dont include the sales charge at the moment. just want to confirm on the basic ROI first
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QUOTE(suadrif @ Oct 15 2015, 09:42 AM)
guys, i wanna ask regarding on this ponzi style investment tongue.gif
if i go to fund selector, and sort based on highest ROI for 1 month, it says 4%.
is that mean 4% for 1 month or it is annualized?
because i see for 2 years and more, the ROI says % with annualized but for less than 1 year, it dont.
is that mean if a person invest for 1 month with 4% ROI, 12 months equivalent to ~50%?  drool.gif

*dont include the sales charge at the moment. just want to confirm on the basic ROI first
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Dah Nampak, nak Tanya lagi doh.gif

U CANNOT annualise like that...UT is not FD...it fluctuates doh.gif
it could be, during the past 1 month, market rallied...
u cannot expect perpetual rally shakehead.gif

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guys, i wanna ask regarding on this ponzi style investment tongue.gif
if i go to fund selector, and sort based on highest ROI for 1 month, it says 4%......
is that mean if a person invest for 1 month with 4% ROI, 12 months equivalent to ~50%?  drool.gif
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hmm.gif Try use these tools to see.....

remember Pink's reminder: "it could be, during the past 1 month, market rallied...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 15 2015, 09:48 AM)
Dah Nampak, nak Tanya lagi doh.gif

U CANNOT annualise like that...UT is not FD...it fluctuates doh.gif
it could be, during the past 1 month, market rallied...
u cannot expect perpetual rally shakehead.gif
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relax, chill la bro
that is why want to confirm. tak tanya tak tahu.
later on people will say "stupid la ROI is normally annualise" or "stupid la ROI already mentioned there"
both situation can happen
the name itself "ponzi" define everything
its totally misleading compared to normal investment, that is why i wanna ask
for UT, no one can expect it to be perpetual rally. that is why i put ~ symbol there.

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QUOTE(suadrif @ Oct 15 2015, 09:57 AM)
relax, chill la bro
that is why want to confirm. tak tanya tak tahu.
later on people will say "stupid la ROI is normally annualise" or "stupid la ROI already mentioned there"
both situation can happen
the name itself "ponzi" define everything
its totally misleading compared to normal investment, that is why i wanna ask
for UT, no one can expect it to be perpetual rally. that is why i put ~ symbol there.
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Ponzi tu nickname saja lar tongue.gif
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post Oct 15 2015, 11:34 AM

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Yeap. LOL.. it's nickname .. =P

so is Evergreen Fund, Ponzi 1.0, Ponzi 2.0, Titanic, Anitamui Fund
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I took profit today from the following funds:-

(1) KGF
(2) Eastspring Small Cap
(3) Ta European Equity Fund
(4) RHB Asian Total Return Fund
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post Oct 15 2015, 03:38 PM

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cost of buying/selling mutual funds

loading 2%
expense ratio 2%(not inclusive of trading cost and capital gain tax incurred in some mature market eg usa-these are hidden cost)
buying and selling (daily fluctuation of stock prices approximately 1%)2%
total cost =6%
the fund must deliver a return of 6% annualised to get even before any profit can be realised

moral of the story-dont drift like those fund managers who chases current winners churning the portfolio away from their stated objectives




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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:05 PM)
I took profit today from the following funds:-

(1)  KGF
(2)  Eastspring Small Cap
(3)  Ta European Equity Fund
(4)  RHB Asian Total Return Fund
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And switched to?

European equities quite weak recently...what makes u take "profit"? unsure.gif

Bro, don't over-trade UTs lar... doh.gif
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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 03:38 PM)
cost of buying/selling mutual funds

loading 2%
expense ratio  2%(not inclusive of trading cost and capital gain tax incurred in some mature market eg usa-these are hidden cost)
buying and selling (daily fluctuation of stock prices approximately 1%)2%
total cost =6%
the fund must deliver a return of 6% annualised to get even before any profit can be realised

moral of the story-dont drift like those fund managers who chases current winners churning the portfolio away from their stated objectives
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This is for their internal fund manager or this info talk about investor?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2015, 10:51 AM)
Invested Portfolio ROI: 7.49%, IRR: 8.24%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund2.462.64
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund7.888.10
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund13.0811.30
CIMB AP PRS14.718.49
Manulife India13.648.95
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund6.394.44
RHB Asian Total Return Fund36.5719.42

First Investment Date: 15/08/2014
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ROI: 7.64%, IRR: 8.09%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund5.205.79
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund9.219.81
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund10.619.56
CIMB AP PRS10.206.26
Manulife India5.443.81
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund5.163.78
RHB Asian Total Return Fund23.2213.46

the changes in 2 weeks...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 15 2015, 03:41 PM)
And switched to?

European equities quite weak recently...what makes u take "profit"? unsure.gif

Bro, don't over-trade UTs lar... doh.gif
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I intra switched all the profits into their equivalent bond houses. I agree that we should not overtrade on UTs....but my fingers are just too itchy sometimes.

Sorry ar. I am not really setting a good example in investing in unit trusts. sad.gif

Other forumers, please don't follow Vanguard's footstep. He will lead you to Holland. sweat.gif

Note : (1) My profit for the TA European Fund was only 6.73%. I think it fell from an initial profit of more than 10% within 1 week.

(2) My definition of "taking profits" is just my layman understanding. For e.g. if I put RM10K in KGF fund and it grew 10%, I took out the RM1000 profit and parked in into the Kenanga Bond Fund. When the NAV of KGF falls later, I switched back the RM1000 into KGF again (usually quarterly). Strictly speaking, not Value Averaging. Like this OK ar, Pink Spider? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:05 PM)
I took profit today from the following funds:-

(1)  KGF
(2)  Eastspring Small Cap
(3)  Ta European Equity Fund
(4)  RHB Asian Total Return Fund
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Speaking of taking profit... a very volatile fund such as below can let one make handsome game... but the risk is just too demanding sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

But if you like to trade / gamble... try AmPrecious, in one mth gain 13.5%, but its volatility is like 33%. The past three year track record shows 67% of the time it swings between -57% to +9%. If you time it right, when it is at its base of -57%, and it swings to +9%, you would have made a handsome gain of 66% ROI.

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 15 2015, 11:34 AM)
Yeap. LOL.. it's nickname .. =P

so is Evergreen Fund, Ponzi 1.0, Ponzi 2.0, Titanic, Anitamui Fund
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What is Anitamui Fund?

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Can you add to post #11?

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 15 2015, 07:53 PM)
What is Anitamui Fund?

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Can you add to post #11?
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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Oct 15 2015, 05:05 PM)
This is for their internal fund manager or this info talk about investor?
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well there are costs involved in running a mutual fund
1 administrative cost inclusive of trustee fees
2 you need to pay the financial wizards or managers to do the bidding for you in the hope that they beat the index
3 in trading stocks the fund needs to pay brokerage fees and taxes ie trading cost plus capital gain from selling those stocks in some countries(hidden cost)-investors pay for this trading cost which is deducted from the fund
4 when you buy/sell units you inadvertently incurred additional cost to your trade.the general assumption is that the daily fluctuation of stock PRICES is about 1%
5 front/end loaded fees

1+2=2%
4=2%
5=2%
3 is indeterminable as this cost is dependent on the frequency of trading of the fund

not lucid enough, perhaps you need to talk to an independent financial adviser with no vested interest in your investment
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 15 2015, 05:22 PM)
ROI: 7.64%, IRR: 8.09%

FundIRR (%)ROI (%)
Kenanga Growth Fund5.205.79
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund9.219.81
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund10.619.56
CIMB AP PRS10.206.26
Manulife India5.443.81
Eastspring AxJ Target Return Fund5.163.78
RHB Asian Total Return Fund23.2213.46

the changes in 2 weeks...
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what is the benchmark for all these funds?

these figures are meaningless without comparing them to the appropiate benchmark

CAGR or IRR much touted by investors only form part of the equation in our assessment of investment return,the other metric sorely missing in most discussion in this board is risk/volatility-
CAGR is a smoothed return over a defined period which is a poor reflection of the actual dispersion of return in that period

in addition i would just ignore ROI which is a general metric not suitable for measuring the return of mutual fund




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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 15 2015, 09:12 PM)
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hmm.gif I think is wrong Anal...causing some shits to be stuck. tongue.gif
did not see clearly the actual reason why the data are presented?.
must have assumed to be for comparing apple to apple.
must have assumed that the data shown was showing which fruits was "best/worst" based from the IRR and ROI
not realising the data is JUST for showing the movement of IRR and ROI each of the fruits that one had in the basket and the overall IRR and ROI of the whole basket of fruits one is holding over a period of time in the data shown.
each of the fruits could be have been purchased not at the same time, or lump sum purchased or purchased at DCA over a period of time, or some fruits may be held longer than others or time of buying and etc, can have an impact on the IRR and ROI ....and yes...risk/volatility numbers too
my anal and assumption can be wrong too.... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 15 2015, 08:38 AM)
Ponzi tu nickname saja lar tongue.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 15 2015, 07:39 PM)
Speaking of taking profit... a very volatile fund such as below can let one make handsome game... but the risk is just too demanding  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

But if you like to trade / gamble... try AmPrecious, in one mth gain 13.5%, but its volatility is like 33%. The past three year track record shows 67% of the time it swings between -57% to +9%. If you time it right, when it is at its base of -57%, and it swings to +9%, you would have made a handsome gain of 66% ROI.

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 09:08 PM)
what is the benchmark for all these funds?

in addition i would just ignore ROI which is a general metric not suitable for measuring the return of mutual fund
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You mean the profit taking I did yesterday is not real??? I thought I made a profit of RM14,515.71 transferring the profits from my equity funds into the bond funds.

So all this time I have wasted my time investing in unit trusts since ROI doesn't matter? Sheesh...what a scam. shakehead.gif



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Benchmark is bullsh*t. Period.

U want your investments to generate returns for u.

U want your investments to generate returns that are ACCEPTABLE to u.

Who cares about benchmarks?
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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 09:08 PM)
what is the benchmark for all these funds?

these figures are meaningless without comparing them to the appropiate benchmark
Comparing the figures adele123 posted vs a benchmark is meaningless because the point in posting them is to see how her funds performed from her initial investment amount.

QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 09:08 PM)
CAGR or IRR much touted by investors only form part of the equation in our assessment of investment return,the other metric sorely missing in most discussion in this board is risk/volatility-
We don't talk about it because risk/volatility is a measurement that we consider before we invest into a fund. Additionally, the risk/volatility measurement of a fund does not reflect the performance of our investment (i.e. the thing we're talking about most of the time), rather it reflects the potential future performance of the fund we're investing in.

QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 09:08 PM)
CAGR is a smoothed return over a defined period which is a poor reflection of the actual dispersion of return in that period
The Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) is never meant to measure dispersion/deviation.

QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 09:08 PM)
in addition i would just ignore ROI which is a general metric not suitable for measuring the return of mutual fund
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It's not about "suitability". ROI, CAGR, and IRR are all general metrics that tell you the return of your investment in different ways.

This post has been edited by idyllrain: Oct 16 2015, 12:24 PM
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Academician vs practitioners
Cicak vs labah labah
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 16 2015, 11:28 AM)
Academician vs practitioners
Cicak vs labah labah
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Just like some flers spouting this / that Act (section this, subsection that)
BUT does not share the impact + options/solutions
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practical
BUT your mileage may vary

i prefer the later's approach - "action-able", rather than lalaland ivory tower stuff

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I benchmark my investment PORTFOLIO against
(1) FD
(2) EPF dividend rate
(3) Index i.e. FBMKLCI-EA

Why?

If I don't invest in UTs, I can
(1) put my money in FD,
(2) put in EPF, or
(3) invest in index fund and close eyes receive dividends

This is MY benchmark.

The funds' benchmark is meaningless to u, unless u could buy/invest in the benchmark yourself.

To give an example...

Let's say u invest in ABC Fund
ABC Fund invests in Malaysian stocks plus a bit of Asia ex Japan stocks
And that big-headed fund manager says his target is to"maximise unitholders' returns", and selects Berkshire Hathaway as its benchmark thumbup.gif
Well, naturally, he would lose by 9 streets
YET he outperforms FBMKLCI and Kenanga Growth Fund

So, u praise him or pijak him? rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 16 2015, 08:05 AM)
You mean the profit taking I did yesterday is not real??? I thought I made a profit of RM14,515.71  transferring the profits from my equity funds into the bond funds.

So all this time I have wasted my time investing in unit trusts since ROI doesn't matter? Sheesh...what a scam.  shakehead.gif
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Let's go back to basics of investing, FV = PV x (1+ ROI)^(t)

ROI = rate of return
t = time

Chasing return by trading is inferior strategy compared to being invested all the time. Even a lower ROI of say 6% consistent return over time will beat a one off 200% ROI.

Look at the equation again... ROI is linearly related to the gains, but if you have a consistent moderate return but your time invested is long, the gain is exponential! That is why looking at the risk / volatility is very important also. It is not just an academic exercise.

Better still if you can calculate a portfolio that just sits optimally at an inflection point where the risk adjusted return ratio is most optimum = Awesome. Say for example you all may have known perhaps a certain powerful self programed macro algorithm available to some awesome dude who calls it..
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:05 PM)
I took profit today from the following funds:-

(1)  KGF
(2)  Eastspring Small Cap
(3)  Ta European Equity Fund
(4)  RHB Asian Total Return Fund
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You foresee KGF And Eastspring Small Cap will drop?
My KGF profit 13.2% and Small Cap 11.8%, if you foresee they will drop i want to sell also.
My highest profit now is 21.7% CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic, frens in here say can buy more.

CIMB Global Titans also they all recommended - i added 3k today.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 16 2015, 12:13 PM)
Let's go back to basics of investing, FV = PV x (1+ ROI)^(t)

ROI = rate of return
t = time

Chasing return by trading is inferior strategy compared to being invested all the time. Even a lower ROI of say 6% consistent return over time will beat a one off 200% ROI.

Look at the equation again... ROI is linearly related to the gains, but if you have a consistent moderate return but your time invested is long, the gain is exponential! That is why looking at the risk / volatility is very important also. It is not just an academic exercise...

Xuzen
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Hi thanks for the explanation Xuzen. I was only trying to stir up sh*t with my earlier remark. Adding more fuel to the fire.

I am just a layman investor. As long as my profit and loss column is green and looks OK, I am happy. I don't really follow up about IRR, CAGR, etc. Of course if possible my profit should be higher than FD rate. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 16 2015, 01:34 PM)
You foresee KGF And Eastspring Small Cap will drop?
My KGF profit  13.2% and Small Cap 11.8%, if you foresee they will drop i want to sell also.
My highest profit now is 21.7% CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic, frens in here say can buy more.

CIMB Global Titans also they all recommended - i added 3k today.
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Hi Guy3288, I can't really foresee what will happen to KGF and Eastspring Small Cap in the future. Sometimes I practise constant dollar investment for KGF and EISC because they already form close to 18% of my total portfolio.

This investment strategy works well for those investors who are somewhat risk adverse. But you won't earn as much profit as Value Averaging or a buy-and-hold strategy in a rising market.

Read more at http://www.finweb.com/investing/constant-d...l#axzz3oi81j7Gl

Now you have 3 methods to choose from depending on your investment strategy, either DCA, Value Averaging or Constant Dollar Investment.

Happy Investing bro. biggrin.gif

Note: I only intra switched the profits from my KGF and EISC funds into the Kenanga Bond Fund and Eastspring Bond Fund. But my principal sum remains invested in KGF and EISC.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 16 2015, 02:51 PM)
Hi thanks for the explanation Xuzen. I was only trying to stir up sh*t with my earlier remark. Adding more fuel to the fire.

I am just a layman investor. As long as my profit and loss column is green and looks OK, I am happy. I don't really follow up about IRR, CAGR, etc. Of course if possible my profit should be higher than FD rate.  biggrin.gif
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LOL noted.

But I am sharing this just as how I share to my client; trading will increase your ROI and may boost your ego. However, if you look it from mathematical point of view, no matter how strong your ROI is, it still lose out to time,t since time is an exponential function, whereas ROI is just a linear function. I hope reader here can see the awesomeness of time!

Hence, it is logical if one is to minimize risk by creating a minimally risky portfolio I,e., and stay the course, time will exponentially increase your Future Value. You don't have to scratch your head about thinking about buying or selling. This is a mathematical truth and is not based on sentiments nor emotion.

Xuzen


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Thanks for sharing Xuzen. As they say, investing should be boring. smile.gif
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Thanks for sharing Xuzen. As they say, investing should be boring.  smile.gif
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but yours is...exciting brows.gif
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Yeah..my previous portfolio was too exciting. That's why I rebalanced my portfolio. My heart cannot take it already. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(larisSa @ Oct 14 2015, 10:27 PM)
may I know which bond fund do you recommend?
These are some of the funds recommended by fsm
1)RHB Asian total return fund --- the volatility seems to be very high
2) Eastspring investment bond ---- a spike in value (is it normal for a bond fund?)
3) RHB emerging market bond -- no comment?

Actually how to read the performance chart posted on fsm?I thought it is actually the NAV , but it is no.... I think I may have  misinterpreted reading the chart...

and the chart appears to be different when i open using different chartcentre and factsheet
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can anyway clear my doubt about the performance chart cry.gif ?
I think it refers to the value or the gain, let's say u start investing on 1 January at a NAV of 0.4, assuming this fund drops drastically and bounce back, then the chart will look like a "V"?

and why pointing at the performance chart, the date and a number will appear....what is the number?

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I would like to ask that is that annual management fees they will going to charge us by per annum?how they charge?
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I would like to ask that is that annual management fees they will going to charge us by per annum?how they charge?
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Deducted on daily basis from posting NAV.
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Deducted on daily basis from posting NAV.
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According to fsm , there is a column which shown that the fund performance bid to bid - x % , is that all of this are after deduction of those fees?

My living area doesnt hv fsm office , quite hard to go to open account
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According to fsm , there is a column which shown that the fund performance bid to bid - x % , is that all of this are after deduction of those fees?

My living area doesnt hv fsm office , quite hard to go to open account
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Technically yes because x% is measuring based on NAV from date A to date B.

Management fee and trustee fee is deducted on daily basis from posted NAV.
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Pink , i was newly joined yet to take full training course.
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Insurance company do not emphasize training on UT. If they do, it is extremely rudimentary. Their training are geared towards sales, sales & more sales.

The very important thing why insurance raison d'etre.. e.g., for income replacement and protection are all not emphasized in lieu of how much the sum assured is, how much commission to get, how to get client to buy big premium are all but drilled into new recruits mind. They are brain-washed into sales sales and sales... this is the sad affair of the insurance industry.

On a side note: Download a fund fact sheet from a pure UT company and you have better the info required to make an informed choice (very importantly the Volatility Factor is on the FFS). Contrast this with a Insurance Investment Linked fund's fact sheet... nuff' said.

Xuzen

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Here is a little truth...

Insurance company do not emphasize training on UT. If they do, it is extremely rudimentary. Their training are geared towards sales, sales & more sales.

The very important  thing why insurance raison d'etre.. e.g., for income replacement and protection are all not emphasized in lieu of how much the sum assured is, how much commission to get, how to get client to buy big premium are all but drilled into new recruits mind. They are brain-washed into sales sales and sales... this is the sad affair of the insurance industry.

On a side note: Download a fund fact sheet from a pure UT company and you have better the info required to make an informed choice (very importantly the Volatility Factor is on the FFS). Contrast this with a Insurance Investment Linked fund's fact sheet... nuff' said.

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Foreign funds net buyers on Bursa at RM411.7mil

KUALA LUMPUR: Foreign funds were net buyers on Bursa Malaysia for the second week ended Oct 16 at RM411.7mil, keeping pace with the RM783.4mil amassed the week before, according to MIDF Equities Research.

It said on Monday the sustained foreign buying in the last two weeks was a phenomenon and something the market has not seen since March 2014.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ursa/?style=biz
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Foreign funds net buyers on Bursa at RM411.7mil

KUALA LUMPUR: Foreign funds were net buyers on Bursa Malaysia for the second week ended Oct 16 at RM411.7mil, keeping pace with the RM783.4mil amassed the week before, according to MIDF Equities Research.

It said on Monday the sustained foreign buying in the last two weeks was a phenomenon and something the market has not seen since March 2014.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ursa/?style=biz
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I have said this before and I will repeat it here again for benefit of newcomers:

Our KLCI is very unique. Foreign institutional buyers will "park" their funds here during times of uncertainties. When there are bull run opportunity else where for example the previous run was due to the "speculative" fed interest rate hike, the ran away to create alpha (excess market return) for their funds.

Now that the "news" is nothing but a dud, they come back here to park their money again to wait for another opportunity. They know that our KLCI will not drop a lot due to KLCI having big cushion i.e., Khazanah, PNB, LTH, LATM, KWSP etc...

KLCI it is a favourite R&R place for these foreign fund to recuperate and rest.

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Here is a little truth...

Insurance company do not emphasize training on UT. If they do, it is extremely rudimentary. Their training are geared towards sales, sales & more sales.

The very important  thing why insurance raison d'etre.. e.g., for income replacement and protection are all not emphasized in lieu of how much the sum assured is, how much commission to get, how to get client to buy big premium are all but drilled into new recruits mind. They are brain-washed into sales sales and sales... this is the sad affair of the insurance industry.

On a side note: Download a fund fact sheet from a pure UT company and you have better the info required to make an informed choice (very importantly the Volatility Factor is on the FFS). Contrast this with a Insurance Investment Linked fund's fact sheet... nuff' said.

Xuzen
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Like "buy-side" stock analysts' analysis?
hehe - no "sell", just "hold" even if Enron or WorldCom  laugh.gif
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I have said this before and I will repeat it here again for benefit of newcomers:

Our KLCI is very unique. Foreign institutional buyers will "park" their funds here during times of uncertainties. When there are bull run opportunity else where for example the previous run was due to the "speculative" fed interest rate hike, the ran away to create alpha (excess market return) for their funds.

Now that the "news" is nothing but a dud, they come back here to park their money again to wait for another opportunity. They know that our KLCI will not drop a lot due to KLCI having big cushion i.e., Khazanah, PNB, LTH, LATM, KWSP etc...

KLCI it is a favourite R&R place for these foreign fund to recuperate and rest.

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this FSM FPX payment got problem, unable to receive TAG, tried M2U and cIMB click also same.......looks like i cant top up Global Titans today....sigh
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this FSM FPX payment got problem, unable to receive TAG, tried M2U and cIMB click also same.......looks like i cant top up Global Titans today....sigh
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Buat manual-lah bro. You can still pay by logging in on M2U and select:-

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 19 2015, 11:00 AM)
I have said this before and I will repeat it here again for benefit of newcomers:

Our KLCI is very unique. Foreign institutional buyers will "park" their funds here during times of uncertainties. When there are bull run opportunity else where for example the previous run was due to the "speculative" fed interest rate hike, the ran away to create alpha (excess market return) for their funds.

Now that the "news" is nothing but a dud, they come back here to park their money again to wait for another opportunity. They know that our KLCI will not drop a lot due to KLCI having big cushion i.e., Khazanah, PNB, LTH, LATM, KWSP etc...

KLCI it is a favourite R&R place for these foreign fund to recuperate and rest.

Xuzen
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how long they would "park" here tis time? hmm.gif

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China's economy grew 6.9% in the third quarter, the weakest rate since the global financial crisis.
The year-on-year growth rate is also below the government's 7% target.
Most analysts were expecting growth figures of 6.8% for the July to September period.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34536052
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Hi all, I am new in UT.

What is..
1. Bid to bid return / bid to bid price?
2. Wholesale fund? What is the effect with yes and no?
3. YTD stand for? to measure what?
4. Fund Volume (by Sales)? to measure what?

Would appreciate your help in explaining what are those terms mean.
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Today portfolio gain quite significant ya..

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Hi all, I am new in UT.

What is..
1. Bid to bid return / bid to bid price?
2. Wholesale fund? What is the effect with yes and no?
3. YTD stand for? to measure what?
4. Fund Volume (by Sales)? to measure what?

Would appreciate your help in explaining what are those terms mean.
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What is..
1. Bid to bid return / bid to bid price?
try this explanation in this link...
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/commu...ge=1&pid=001956

2. Wholesale fund? What is the effect with yes and no?
what is the effect?...to me...it effected me psychologically...very sad...cannot buy....
read this link for more about wholesale fund requirement....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/whole...SalesTable.svdo

3. YTD stand for? to measure what?
YTD means Year To Date.....compare the results from beginning of year to now.....
measure what?...what ever you wanted it to be.....

4. Fund Volume (by Sales)? to measure what?
just to show the ranking by Sales volume.....
to measure what?.....maybe just to show the current hot favorites in terms of Sales

This post has been edited by yklooi: Oct 19 2015, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 19 2015, 10:27 PM)
What is..
1. Bid to bid return / bid to bid price?
try this explanation in this  link...
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/commu...ge=1&pid=001956

2. Wholesale fund? What is the effect with yes and no?
what is the effect?...to me...it effected me psychologically...very sad...cannot buy....
read this link for more about wholesale fund requirement....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/whole...SalesTable.svdo

3. YTD stand for? to measure what?
YTD means Year To Date.....compare the results from beginning of year to now.....
measure what?...what ever you wanted it to be.....

4. Fund Volume (by Sales)? to measure what?
just to show the ranking by Sales volume.....
to measure what?.....maybe just to show the current hot favorites in terms of Sales
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1. Best explanation in the town.. thumbup.gif Thanks a lot.

2. Although I still not understand what means Wholesale Fund, you showed me the point that I'm not affordable. lolz.. Btw, anyone can explain what means Wholesale fund?

3. Ic.. Noted.

4. Ic.. But this helped me to know which fund others are pushing.. still give some helps to me biggrin.gif
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Another question.

If Minimum Initial Investment = RM1,000.00 but required minimum holding 2000 units (NAV says RM0.60), So what is the amount should I buy? RM1,000.00 or RM1,200.00 (RM0.60 x 2000)?

This post has been edited by loyalkkk: Oct 20 2015, 12:21 AM
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Another question.

If Minimum Initial Investment = RM1,000.00 but required minimum holding 2000 units (NAV says RM0.60), So what is the amount should I buy? RM1,000.00 or RM1,200.00 (RM0.60 x 2000)?
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Please show me a "True" example of this type of fund.....
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QUOTE(loyalkkk @ Oct 20 2015, 12:16 AM)
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2. Although I still not understand what means Wholesale Fund, you showed me the point that I'm not affordable. lolz.. Btw, anyone can explain what means Wholesale fund?
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Wholesale fund is a unit trust fund, the units of which are issued, offered for subscription or purchase, or for which invitations to subscribe for or purchase the units have been made, exclusively to qualified investors.

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Fund buys property stocks at cheapest level in 7 years

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s top-performing fund is buying the nation's property companies after a slump in shares left valuations at their cheapest level in at least seven years relative to global peers.

Eastspring Investments Bhd has started “nibbling” on some of the stocks that have been beaten down on the prospect the real-estate industry will eventually recover, Chen Fan Fai, the Kuala Lumpur-based chief investment officer, said in an interview.

He declined to identify the companies he's buying. The Bursa Malaysia Property Index is valued at 8.9 times 12-month projected earnings, a 32% discount to the Bloomberg World Real Estate Index.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ears/?style=biz

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Another question.

If Minimum Initial Investment = RM1,000.00 but required minimum holding 2000 units (NAV says RM0.60), So what is the amount should I buy? RM1,000.00 or RM1,200.00 (RM0.60 x 2000)?
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Means your first investment in that fund is min. RM1,000, e..g. if NAV is RM0.60, u will get (assume 0% sales charge just for discussion purpose) 1,666.67 units.

But immediately after that u can sell some, but your min. holdings must be at least 2,000 units. So, u cannot sell anything unless u sell all.
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My KGF has been bullish these days.
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Hi , Just want to ask about the NAV price for CIMB fund
I saw the latest pricing for Global Titan is this, the price stated as of 16 October

CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 0.8603 October 16, 2015

seem like it is 2 days delay on this, If let say I buy today, what is the price that I will get ?
price at 19 October? or 20 October? What is the cut off time? Thanks.
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Hi , Just want to ask about the NAV price for CIMB fund
I saw the latest pricing for Global Titan is this, the price stated as of 16 October

CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund  0.8603  October 16, 2015

seem like it is 2 days delay on this, If let say I buy today, what is the price that I will get ?
price at 19 October? or 20 October? What is the cut off time? Thanks.
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DON'T BOTHER

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DON'T BOTHER

Seriously, don't bother
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People virgin AND want to be spoon-fed mar.

FAQ states something to the effect
"that the purchase price will be the END OF DAY price for all transactions completed/done before xx.xxpm"
also - susah to understand lar, YingGlish lar.
Blame to Gomen tongue.gif

Bottom line, entire concept of:
a. trailing/end of day NAV - thus NO NORMAL HUMAN KNOWS when purchasing
b. focusing on purchased COST (not price/NAV since it's unknown yet when orders placed & $ paid)
c. purchased COST is shown in FSM after NAV is known the next business day or two (foreign funds mar - GMT+/- concept)
is lost on virgins.

is good is good.. more sacrifices to the altar of (greed*lazy)^blur laugh.gif
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Just wait for the e-mail notification.

In b4 wanna do self-check, takut FSM tipu whistling.gif
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If don't bother, how could I know the price that I purchase?
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A: Most of the unit trusts in Malaysia are priced based on "forward pricing". This means that if you transact today, you will get the fund’s value as of the closing price of the market today. However, you will know the price in two working days
The price that you could see in the website is the so-called 'indicative price'. This is usually the price of the fund two working days ago. This indicative price is NOT the actual transaction price of the fund that you are buying or selling.

Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds. These prices are further valued independently by the fund's trustees. Therefore, the dealing price will be made known to the public two business days after the transaction date. Once we obtained the price, an email notification will be sent to you.

Q: WHEN WILL MY BUY ORDERS BE TRANSACTED?

A: Cheque Payment/Internet Bill Payment
Your buy orders will only be transacted when we receive your payment. Once we received your cheque/Internet bill payment for your orders before 3pm on each business day, your orders will be transacted on the same day. Cheques/Internet bill payment received after 3pm or on a non-business day will be transacted on the next business day

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Ringgit weakens as commodities retreat crimps revenue outlook

The Bloomberg Commodity Index declined 1.4 percent Monday, the biggest loss in a month, after China reported industrial output and fixed-asset investment data for September that missed economist estimates.

The ringgit retreated 1.2 percent to 4.2570 a dollar as of 9:41 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday, after losing 2.1 percent in the last two trading days, according to prices from local banks compiled by Bloomberg. The currency sank as low as 4.2853, its weakest since Oct. 7.

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Q: WHEN WILL I KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE I GET?

A: Most of the unit trusts in Malaysia are priced based on "forward pricing". This means that if you transact today, you will get the fund’s value as of the closing price of the market today. However, you will know the price in two working days
The price that you could see in the website is the so-called 'indicative price'. This is usually the price of the fund two working days ago. This indicative price is NOT the actual transaction price of the fund that you are buying or selling.

Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds. These prices are further valued independently by the fund's trustees. Therefore, the dealing price will be made known to the public two business days after the transaction date. Once we obtained the price, an email notification will be sent to you.

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Up around 0.8% for 1 day..  wink.gif
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Hi All I got another question, lol... regarding about the charting

Growth/Performance chart vs Price chart

As you can see at below, this is the morning star and public mutual performance/ growth chart
the chart is nice and keep increase and up every years.

Public Mutual performance chart
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Morning star growth chart
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but when you check on the price it doesn't seem to increase every year

Morning star price chart
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So, I wonder how the performance/ growth chart been calculate or plotting?
It is taking the starting/Launch price as a standard? Meaning to say that if the price of the current fund are higher than the starting/Launch price then it consider growth? Am I right? anyone know how is the chart been calculate for the performance/ growth chart? Thanks !

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Hi All I got another question, lol... regarding about the charting
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but when you check on the price it doesn't seem to increase every year
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So, I wonder how the performance/ growth chart been calculate or plotting?
It is taking the starting/Launch price as a standard?  Meaning to say that if the price of the current fund are higher than the starting/Launch price then it consider growth? Am I right? anyone know how is the chart been calculate for the performance/ growth chart? Thanks !
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hmm.gif maybe the morning star chart DID not take into consideration of Dividend payout?
why not try this PM fund performance charting tool?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 20 2015, 03:12 PM)
hmm.gif maybe the morning star chart DID not take into consideration of Dividend payout?
why not try this PM fund performance charting tool?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx
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I just wonder, how the performance/ growth chart been calculate?

as you can see performance/growth up != NAV price up
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I just wonder, how the performance/ growth chart been calculate?

as you can see performance/growth up != NAV price up
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hmm.gif did it show NAV price up? or did it shows the Total Returns in %?

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not sure if monthly DCA during a rising period is a good thing..
My KGF has been bullish these days.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 20 2015, 03:24 PM)
hmm.gif  did it show NAV price up? or did it shows the Total Returns in %?
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which chart you mention? if is performance/ growth chart, it show some value, if it is the NAV price chart, of course it show the price.

this is the morning star growth chart description, but I still not quite understand on this? how the value been calculate?
will it related to NAV price?
http://www.morningstar.com/InvGlossary/growth_graph.aspx
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QUOTE(yeah016 @ Oct 20 2015, 03:28 PM)
which chart you mention? if is performance/ growth chart, it show some value, if it is the NAV price chart, of course it show the price.
see the PM chart in post# 383....Which chart axis mention NAV? the legend mentioned.....

this is the morning star growth chart description, but I still not quite understand on this? how the value been calculate?
will it related to NAV price?
http://www.morningstar.com/InvGlossary/growth_graph.aspx

maybe as posted in post# 178 ?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3580942/+160

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see blue replies...
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ya , I think that is the total return as the blue legend show there( I can see the chart in morning star vs pb mutual are alike) , but how the total return or this chart been calculate, this is my question.
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ya , I think that is the total return as the blue legend show there( I can see the chart in morning star vs pb mutual are alike) , but how the total return or this chart been calculate, this is my question.
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I googled and found this...hope it helps...
How to Calculate and Read Public Mutual Fund Performance Chart
http://www.horlic.com/how-to-calculate-and...formance-chart/

more in google...
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 20 2015, 03:55 PM)
I googled and found this...hope it helps...
How to Calculate and Read Public Mutual Fund Performance Chart
http://www.horlic.com/how-to-calculate-and...formance-chart/

more in google...
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yeah I also google before posting here, but this is not explaining about the performance chart.
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yeah I also google before posting here, but this is not explaining about the performance chart.
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found this on google...hope it helps..
A Guide Towards Understanding Unit Trust Performance Table
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.my/2013/0...nding-unit.html

Understanding Total Return
http://www.morningstar.co.za/za/news/12270...tal-return.aspx

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 20 2015, 03:55 PM)
I googled and found this...hope it helps...
How to Calculate and Read Public Mutual Fund Performance Chart
http://www.horlic.com/how-to-calculate-and...formance-chart/

more in google...
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So the cash on cash return for PM is similar to bid-to-bid return of FSM?
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So the cash on cash return for PM is similar to bid-to-bid return of FSM?
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no idea.....what do you think?

hmm.gif actually, i don't really pay much attention to it before i buy....
maybe partly b'cos, they are "past" and maybe there are other factor like risk ratio that i needs to consider...
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So the cash on cash return for PM is similar to bid-to-bid return of FSM?
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bid-to-bid ignores sales charges

cash-on-cash...I dunno what that means
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 20 2015, 05:11 PM)
bid-to-bid ignores sales charges

cash-on-cash...I dunno what that means
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Hi Pinky, wave.gif
Just finished reading thread V1. Really informative and was laughing at some posts. Wanna ask you what happened to your holdings of AmDynamic bonds? And also your AmAsia Pacific Reits?
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Hi Pinky, wave.gif
Just finished reading thread V1. Really informative and was laughing at some posts. Wanna ask you what happened to your holdings of AmDynamic bonds? And also your AmAsia Pacific Reits?
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Sold AmAsia Pac REITs becos I prefer to hold REITs direct from my stocks portfolio so that I can receive CASH dividends

As for AmDynamic Bond, sold cos I prefer to have unrestricted Asian bond fund, hence shifted to RHB Asian Total Return
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 20 2015, 05:11 PM)
bid-to-bid ignores sales charges

cash-on-cash...I dunno what that means
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CoC is Public Mutual's term, also ignore sales charges.
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CoC is Public Mutual's term, also ignore sales charges.
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salah

Bid means the price the fund manager buy back from u
Offer means the price the fund manager offer to sell to u

bid to bid means ignoring sales charges

BUT

cash to cash SHOULD mean cash u pay to buy vs cash u get from sales

I may be wrong...cos I dunno Pubic Mutual tongue.gif

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QUOTE(yeah016 @ Oct 20 2015, 03:51 PM)
ya , I think that is the total return as the blue legend show there( I can see the chart in morning star vs pb mutual are alike) , but how the total return or this chart been calculate, this is my question.
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The price chart just shows the NAV price. Quick example:

Month 1: Buy 10000 units @ RM1.00
Month 2: NAV is RM2.00. Value of investments become RM20000.
Month 3: NAV is RM2.00. Fund declares distribution RM0.50. NAV becomes RM1.50. Value of holdings still RM20000
Month 4: NAV is RM2.00. Value of holdings become RM26666.67.

Looking at the price chart for these 4 months, you'll see it go up down up back to same spot. If you look at the performance/growth chart however, it'll go up only.
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Oct 20 2015, 05:53 PM)
The price chart just shows the NAV price. Quick example:

Month 1: Buy 10000 units @ RM1.00
Month 2: NAV is RM2.00. Value of investments become RM20000.
Month 3: NAV is RM2.00. Fund declares distribution RM0.50. NAV becomes RM1.50. Value of holdings still RM20000
Month 4: NAV is RM2.00. Value of holdings become RM26666.67.

Looking at the price chart for these 4 months, you'll see it go up down up back to same spot. If you look at the performance/growth chart however, it'll go up only.
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Hi, Thank for the explanation, but for Month 4 : how come the value become RM26666.67. even the NAV stay Rm2.00?

Meaning to say that , performance/growth chart vs price chart the only different is performance chart are including those distribution, but price chart are not(as it purely track on the price). Am I right?
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China H-Shares: Capture Opportunities In This Golden October

Moving into October, the market is all eyeing on the fifth plenary meeting which will be held on 26 to 29 October, with 13th Five Year Development Plan being one of the important agenda for this meeting. In this article, we highlight some of the catalysts that will likely drive H-Shares valuation higher and discuss the values for investing in China H shares market.

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1. The onshore and offshore Chinese markets as represented by CSI 300 and Hang Seng Mainland 100 (HSML100) Index have receded -35.6% and -24.6% respectively from year high (as of 12 October 2015, returns in local currency terms).
2. With the fundamentals of Chinese equity market remains intact, we opined that the recent sell-off on the back of “China’s hard landing expectation” is somewhat overdone, providing a good entry point for medium to long term investors.
3. In comparison with the developed markets, valuation for China H-shares remains attractive, with its HSML100 Index trading at 9.78X and 9.04X estimated PE for 2016 and 2017, far from its 13X fair PE level.
In view of the inevitable RMB devaluation along with the RMB internationalisation, we favour China H shares as they are in a better position to withstand currency risks from this initiative compared to the China A shares.
4. The Chinese heavy intervened the market earlier had struck investors’ faith. The intervention had also dampened the investment sentiment and triggered morale hazard in the market. With the policy focus switched from “financial market intervention” to “economic driven initiatives”, the market has started to normalize ever since then.
5. With various economic reforms such as “China’s Economic Transition” and “Capital Markets Liberalization” under the 13th Five Year Development Plan remain intact, we maintain our favourable outlook for China.

The onshore and offshore Chinese markets as represented by CSI 300 and Hang Seng Mainland 100 (HSML100) Index have receded -35.6% and -24.6% respectively from year high (returns in local currency terms as of 12 October 2015), which resulted in a sluggish third quarter for Chinese equities (refer to Table 1). With no major deterioration in the fundamentals of Chinese equity market, we opined that the recent sell-off on the back of “China’s hard landing expectation” is somewhat overdone, providing a good entry point for medium to long term investors.

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QUOTE(yeah016 @ Oct 20 2015, 04:00 PM)
yeah I also google before posting here, but this is not explaining about the performance chart.
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The performance chart shows the real growth of the fund. It has nothing to do with its NAV price.

The NAV price of UT is not the same as stock price. And "income distribution" is not same as in stock's dividend.
The NAV price is adjusted DOWN after each income distribution. So it is meaningless to make a chart on the NAV price.

The NAV price usually means the price per unit. After an income distribution, and if the distribution is re-invested, you will be getting more units.

Lastly, a Public Mutual bond fund is usually launched at RM1.00. Even if it had grown several hundreds percent, it will not go beyond RM2.00. Usually within range of RM1 plus/minus 10 or 20 sens.

I find it very misleading when sites make charts on NAV prices, and to put NAV prices as a watchlist to time the entry into the fund. doh.gif

QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 20 2015, 04:35 PM)
So the cash on cash return for PM is similar to bid-to-bid return of FSM?
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The author in that linked article was trying to explained that the Performance Chart do not includes the service charges. When the service charge is included into your investment to calculate the ROI, there is a difference.

The performance chart shows the growth of the fund at any given time. It shows the growth of your investment EXCLUDING the service charge.


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1. Lower energy prices for companies (discount on electricity tariffs, lower prices for natural gas, diesel and gasoline)
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Wholesale fund is a unit trust fund, the units of which are issued, offered for subscription or purchase, or for which invitations to subscribe for or purchase the units have been made, exclusively to qualified investors.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 20 2015, 08:59 AM)
Means your first investment in that fund is min. RM1,000, e..g. if NAV is RM0.60, u will get (assume 0% sales charge just for discussion purpose) 1,666.67 units.

But immediately after that u can sell some, but your min. holdings must be at least 2,000 units. So, u cannot sell anything unless u sell all.
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Hi, Thank for the explanation, but for Month 4 : how come the value become RM26666.67. even the NAV stay Rm2.00?
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Ah, that's because of the distribution. You have:

Before distribution: 10000 units worth RM2.00 each.
After distribution: 10000 units worth RM1.50 each + RM5000 (distribution was RM0.50 per unit x 10000). This RM5000 is reinvested to purchase more units at RM1.50 per unit, so RM5000 / RM1.50 = 3333.33 units. Bringing your total amount of units to 13333.33.

In Month 4, when the price goes back up to RM2.00, the value of your holdings become 13333.33 x RM2.00 = RM26666.67. Basically distribution turns a portion of the value of each unit into money (RM2.00 = RM1.50 + RM0.50).

QUOTE(yeah016 @ Oct 20 2015, 05:59 PM)
Meaning to say that , performance/growth chart vs price chart the only different is performance chart are including those distribution, but price chart are not(as it purely track on the price).  Am I right?
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More or less, yeah. For funds that don't do distributions/unit splits etc, the price chart will be the same as the performance chart.
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If you want to wait for bearish days before you buy, it could be a few months later.
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Feeling same thing here, how you predict?
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Portfolio mcm double triple jump from last week. Last week all red. This week all green. Thanks to MYR depreciation. Lol
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Feeling same thing here, how you predict?
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I can't really predict. (Anyone who says he/she can is just gambling.)
For stocks, I will do a valuation and decide whether to buy.
For UT, I can only do DCA to minimize the risk.
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The performance chart shows the real growth of the fund. It has nothing to do with its NAV price.

The NAV price of UT is not the same as stock price. And "income distribution" is not same as in stock's dividend.
The NAV price is adjusted DOWN after each income distribution. So it is meaningless to make a chart on the NAV price.

The NAV price usually means the price per unit. After an income distribution, and if the distribution is re-invested, you will be getting more units.

Lastly, a Public Mutual bond fund is usually launched at RM1.00. Even if it had grown several hundreds percent, it will not go beyond RM2.00. Usually within range of RM1 plus/minus 10 or 20 sens.

I find it very misleading when sites make charts on NAV prices, and to put NAV prices as a watchlist to time the entry into the fund.  doh.gif
The author in that linked article was trying to explained that the Performance Chart do not includes the service charges. When the service charge is included into your investment to calculate the ROI, there is a difference.

The performance chart shows the growth of the fund at any given time. It shows the growth of your investment EXCLUDING the service charge.
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Meaning that is the same as what idyllrain explained right?

as example below
Month 1: Buy 10000 units @ RM1.00
Month 2: NAV is RM2.00. Value of investments become RM20000.
Month 3: NAV is RM2.00. Fund declares distribution RM0.50. NAV becomes RM1.50. Value of holdings still RM20000
Month 4: NAV is RM2.00. Value of holdings become RM26666.67.
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Oct 20 2015, 09:21 PM)
Ah, that's because of the distribution. You have:

Before distribution: 10000 units worth RM2.00 each.
After distribution: 10000 units worth RM1.50 each + RM5000 (distribution was RM0.50 per unit x 10000). This RM5000 is reinvested to purchase more units at RM1.50 per unit, so RM5000 / RM1.50 = 3333.33 units. Bringing your total amount of units to 13333.33.

In Month 4, when the price goes back up to RM2.00, the value of your holdings become 13333.33 x RM2.00 = RM26666.67. Basically distribution turns a portion of the value of each unit into money (RM2.00 = RM1.50 + RM0.50).
More or less, yeah. For funds that don't do distributions/unit splits etc, the price chart will be the same as the performance chart.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 20 2015, 04:41 PM)
no idea.....what do you think?

hmm.gif  actually, i don't really pay much attention to it before i buy....
maybe partly b'cos, they are "past" and maybe there are other factor like risk ratio that i needs to consider...
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some thing to ponder about this morning.... biggrin.gif
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New Feature: FSM Fund Watch List

BENEFITS OF THE FUND WATCH LIST

1. You can add funds into the Fund Watch List and track them whenever you want. This will save you time from searching for these funds again.
2. You can track the price of a fund by setting the ceiling price and floor price. An email will be sent to you when these prices are reached.
3. You can view the fund performance across various periods from as short as 1 week up to 10 years (where applicable) as well as the return of a fund from the date you start to track it, expressed in %.

Guide to use: http://fundsupermart.com.my/main/research/...Watch-List-6418
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I find it very misleading when sites make charts on NAV prices, and to put NAV prices as a watchlist to time the entry into the fund.  doh.gif
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hmm.gif so what about those that wanted to time by waiting for the NAV to be lowered by a few % before buying?
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Since the price NAV for some fund are delay, if oversea fund will delay 2 days , local will be delay 1 day.
I have some question on this

let say Fund A(Oversea fund) bought APPLE share

APPLE SHARE(98 USD - NAV for FUND A 1.00) - 19 October (US time zone -4 UTC)
APPLE SHARE(100 USD - NAV for FUND A 1.08) - 10 AM, 20 October(US time zone -4 UTC) (converted to our Malaysia time is around 10 PM, 20 October

So my question here,

If I place an order to buy the Fund A at 4PM,20 October in Malaysia time, what is the NAV I actually get?
Is 1.00 or 1.08? if 1.00 meaning is the yesterday price, and if 1.08 is the future price.


and If I place an order to buy the Fund A before 3PM,20 October , if it get the yesterday price(1.00), meaning that we actually more or less can predict the Fund A price based on the US market respond yesterday, Am I right?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 08:12 AM)
some thing to ponder about this morning.... biggrin.gif
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Hi YK Looi,

Based on my personal experience, Point No. 1 is possible, i.e. earning the 1st million by the age of 37. I am only using standard 6 maths. Assuming that a person starts working at the age of 23, his salary, increments, bonuses, EPF, may add up to RM1 million by the time he is 37 (excluding expenses).

But if the article is referring to accumulating a net amount of RM1 million at the age of 37 (after deducting expenses), this is not easy unless one is self employed or a savvy investor.

For Point No. 2, earning the first RM1 million through unit trusts investment by the age of 37, I think this is highly unlikely. Assuming that a person start investing at the age of 23 until the age of 37 (i.e. an investment period of 14 years), I calculated that roughly he will need an initial capital layout of RM200K and a monthly investment of RM1000K and a return of 10% per annum to get RM1 million in 14 years. My calculation EXCLUDES the sales fees and the annual management expenses.

Thus far I have not met a person who invested RM200K in unit trusts at the age of 23. Of course he could have invested RM20K at the age of 23 and then increase his monthly investment to RM3000K but again, this is unlikely.

Therefore IMHO, although the article maybe well intentioned, it is not entirely correct.

P/S: I am just wondering what is the source of the article.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2015, 10:49 AM)
Hi YK Looi,
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Therefore IMHO, although the article maybe well intentioned, it is not entirely correct.

P/S: I am just wondering what is the source of the article.
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the source....

Eastspring Investments Berhad releases Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study

Kuala Lumpur (2 October 2015) – Eastspring Investments Berhad, the Asia asset management arm of UK-based Prudential plc, today released Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study.
http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...roved_Final.pdf
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.....If I place an order to buy the Fund A before 3PM,20 October , if it get the yesterday price(1.00), meaning that we actually more or less can predict the Fund A price based on the US market respond yesterday, Am I right?
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is the holding of the funds are ALL index linked stocks?
did all the stock prices in the holdings fall at the same rate?
is there any currencies exchange variances?
is all the holdings in the funds the same..(did the FM buy or sell anything in that day)?
are some of the considerations too...
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 11:00 AM)
the source....

Eastspring Investments Berhad releases Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study

Kuala Lumpur (2 October 2015) – Eastspring Investments Berhad, the Asia asset management arm of UK-based Prudential plc, today released Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study.
http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...roved_Final.pdf
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Ahh....that explains a lot. Ok thanks.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2015, 11:27 AM)
Ahh....that explains a lot. Ok thanks.
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like Flower sellers always say "Say it with a flower / bouquet"?
& Jewelry sellers always say "Diamonds are forever"?

i've serious doubt on that "report" too.
i'm waaaay above 37 and i'm not even in the "million dollar roundtable" yet in my unit trusts. cry.gif
i think it's the statistics being reportedly skewed by the English used.

breakdown:
a. 16% of surveyed respondents have earned their first 1 million at an average age of 37.
b. More than two-thirds of Malaysian millionaires surveyed have earned their first RM1 million by investing in unit trusts.
c. At the same time, it is the most popular investment tool chosen for those who are still on their way to their first RM1 million.

Thus, (a.) statistically may be correct - 16% hit their first 1 million at average age of 37.
Statistics - average is severely affected by tail-ends' highs/lows. Median would be more accurate

For item (b.), it may not be an extension of (a.) - readers may assume it is and/or "purposely" put such way
ie Yes, > 2/3 of millionaires surveyed earned first RM1 million by investing in Unit trust
BUT... U sure those 2/3 hit millionaire status by average age of 37?
hell - it may be 50-60 laugh.gif

For item (c.) - duh, everyone and their dog can be on their way to their first RM1 million
AND the most basic vehicles are FD and unit trust laugh.gif

Just thinkin' - statistics are correct, just the presentation/intepretation & usage may not be too correct notworthy.gif
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hello frens, see got quite some profit in my FSm, wanna take profit, sell east spring small cap, KGF, Hwang Select asia Jap opportunity, switch to CMF. Any comments appreciated before 3pm. next month market drop can buy back
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 11:04 AM)
is the holding of the funds are ALL index linked stocks?
did all the stock prices in the holdings fall at the same rate?
is there any currencies exchange variances?
is all the holdings in the funds the same..(did the FM buy or sell anything in that day)?
are some of the considerations too...
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Assume that the fund fully bought in the US share market only. I know this these are all the factor might affect the NAV price but what my question is not regarding to this...
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:40 PM)
hello frens, see got quite some profit in my FSm, wanna take profit, sell  east spring small cap, KGF,  Hwang Select asia Jap opportunity, switch to CMF. Any comments appreciated before 3pm. next month market drop can buy back
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 01:40 PM)
hello frens, see got quite some profit in my FSm, wanna take profit, sell  east spring small cap, KGF,  Hwang Select asia Jap opportunity, switch to CMF. Any comments appreciated before 3pm. next month market drop can buy back
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Why not just intra switch the excess profit and keep the principal sum invested in EISC, KGF and Hwang Select Asia Jap?

You have no plans to stay invested over the next 5 years?
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Just hold it and do nothing...
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:35 PM)
Why not just intra switch the excess profit and keep the principal sum invested in EISC, KGF and Hwang Select Asia Jap?

You have no plans to stay invested over the next 5 years?
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intra switch to CMF yes. Stay invested for 5 years, can.
just hand itchy . from previous swings, from 20k profit it can go down to almost none if mart were to crash again.

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Just thinkin' - statistics are correct, just the presentation/intepretation & usage may not be too correct notworthy.gif
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I agree. BTW, I am also over 37 years old. Therefore (cough, cough) I can speak with some experience about what is realistic and what is not.

For forumers here, I don't mean to pour cold water over unit trust investments including FSM. I am also invested in it. But due to the high costs of unit trust investment in Malaysia including the killer annual management fees, trustee fees, etc, IMHO, it should only form one basket of our investment.

We need to move beyond unit trusts to accumulate wealth. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:44 PM)
ok
intra switch to CMF yes. Stay invested for 5 years, can.
just hand itchy . from previous swings, from 20k profit it can go down to almost none if mart were to  crash again.
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Bro, selling it into CMF is NOT intra switch. It is considered as selling the funds. doh.gif

Intra switch means:-

(1) Switching the profits from EISC into Eastspring Bond; and
(2) Switching the profits from KGF into Kenanga Bond.

In this way, you can accumulate credit points. Later you can intra switch back from the bond funds above into the equivalent equity funds within the same fund houses for FREE with zero sales fee.

If you wish, you can also switch later from Eastspring Bond or Kenanga Bond into CMF after getting the credit points.
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finally swicth half EISC, KGF , HASOpp to CMF. thansk anyway
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 21 2015, 10:17 AM)
hmm.gif so what about those that wanted to time by waiting for the NAV to be lowered by a few % before buying?
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Better to look at the markets and the relevant indices... a) income distributions distorted the NAV b) forward pricing, by the time you realized there is a sharp drop after the NAV price is released, market could have rebounded and the dip is over.

Unless of course the fund closely mirrors the market index, but we are not talking of index-linked funds but 'actively managed' UTs.

If we set the entry to August level or some lower level... the index could maybe dip and even go below the marked entry level, but the fund could stay flat or dip slightly. Just looking at the NAV price will cause you to miss the dip; and more importantly, miss the rebound and short term gains.


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 21 2015, 12:57 PM)
like Flower sellers always say "Say it with a flower / bouquet"?
& Jewelry sellers always say "Diamonds are forever"?

i've serious doubt on that "report" too....

AND the most basic vehicles are FD and unit trust  laugh.gif

Just thinkin' - statistics are correct, just the presentation/intepretation & usage may not be too correct notworthy.gif
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Some see the facts as disjointed, others make their own connections btw them.

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:46 PM)
I agree. BTW, I am also over 37 years old. Therefore (cough, cough) I can speak with some experience about what is realistic and what is not.

For forumers here, I don't mean to pour cold water over unit trust investments including FSM. I am also invested in it. But due to the high costs of unit trust investment in Malaysia including the killer annual management fees, trustee fees, etc, IMHO, it should only form one basket of our investment.

We need to move beyond unit trusts to accumulate wealth.  notworthy.gif
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I take FD and UT as part and parcel of savings and money management. The wealth is from my earnings and savings. (Hence, I don't mind the entry costs, as long as the returns are good...)

Some take UTs as skim cepat kaya... then they better learned quickly about UT inside and out to get the extra edge to create the wealth.

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Some see the facts as disjointed, others make their own connections btw them.
I take FD and UT as part and parcel of savings and money management. The wealth is from my earnings and savings. (Hence, I don't mind the entry costs, as long as the returns are good...)

Some take UTs as skim cepat kaya... then they better learned quickly about UT inside and out to get the extra edge to create the wealth.

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Skim cepat kaya?
like some fellows trading UTs or aiming to game the NAV by looking back (US market GMT slower than us ma) into time? laugh.gif

Must be moving ton$ of $, else may not be worthwhile VS the costs & work

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Assume that the fund fully bought in the US share market only. I know this these are all the factor might affect the NAV price but what my question is not regarding to this...
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Your question in post # 423 "if it get the yesterday price(1.00), meaning that we actually more or less can predict the Fund A price based on the US market respond yesterday, Am I right?"

posting in # 426 are some factors that makes "we actually more or less can predict the Fund A price based on the US market respond yesterday" not possible.....but YES...if by a BIG margins is allowed. on top of some of those factors....try this for NAV pricing of funds invested in Foreign markets by local FH.
page# 279....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...usMYRHBUSEF.pdf

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Skim cepat kaya?
like some fellows trading UTs or aiming to game the NAV by looking back (US market GMT slower than us ma) into time?  laugh.gif

Must be moving ton$ of $, else may not be worthwhile VS the costs & work
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LOL. There must be some loopholes or some hidden methods that some people got very rich and make their first million from investing in UT.

Don't give up... when the hidden method is discovered, unforeseen riches await!

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"16% of surveyed respondents have earned their first 1 million at an average age of 37".

Most likely 100% wiill earned their first million by age 45.

The guesstimate without money spend on expensive surveys:
3k per month + bonus + other income = 40k per year.
1,000k divided by 40k = 25 years
Start work at age 20. By age 45, earned 1 million.

Conclusion: In another 8 years, the other 84% will reach their first 1 million. By investing in UT, the 16% gets ahead of others by 8 years.

Grand conclusion: Actually there is no need to invest into any UT, as all will be very wealthy and rich and had earned millions by age 55.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:52 PM)
finally swicth half EISC, KGF , HASOpp to CMF. thansk anyway
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Sorry that to ask , cmf is which one?
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LOL. There must be some loopholes or some hidden methods that some people got very rich and make their first million from investing in UT.

Don't give up... when the hidden method is discovered, unforeseen riches await!

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"16% of surveyed respondents have earned their first 1 million at an average age of 37".

Most likely 100% wiill earned their first million by age 45.

The guesstimate without money spend on expensive surveys:
3k per month + bonus + other income = 40k per year.
1,000k divided by 40k = 25 years
Start work at age 20. By age 45, earned 1 million.

Conclusion: In another 8 years, the other 84% will reach their first 1 million. By investing in UT, the 16% gets ahead of others by 8 years.

Grand conclusion: Actually there is no need to invest into any UT, as all will be very wealthy and rich and had earned millions by age 55.

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glaring problem, well for me living in the real world and some other fellow forumers pointed out,
"earning" 1 million <> "having" 1 million investment assets.
usually it's faaaaaaar from it since i've to eat, rent, drive, massage, etc sweat.gif

IMHO - it is good, as a start FD & UT, but there are better vehicles if one were to learn a bit more
of course, unless one is a business owner - then yeah, UT only since focus is business.
worker ant me prefers to make it my biz to learn & explore other vehicles as well.

The more "real" part to me in that article was:
Disparity between risk and expected returns
The home bias investment could be a result of high yield expectation as some investors expect a return of up to 24% when investing in Malaysian equities. However, such high expectations does not necessarily come
with a higher risk tolerance with when they are only willing to lose average 12% of their invested capital.

ie - i think they are saying most of us think Malaysia-equity focused UTs SHOULD return 24% (per annum?) and we only expect 12% possible losses. Even casino owners don't get those odds bwhahaahah..

Reference: http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...roved_Final.pdf
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The more "real" part to me in that article was:
Disparity between risk and expected returns.
The home bias investment could be a result of high yield expectation as some investors expect a return of up to 24% when investing in Malaysian equities. However, such high expectations does not necessarily come
with a higher risk tolerance with when they are only willing to lose average 12% of their invested capital.

ie - i think they are saying most of us think Malaysia-equity focused UTs SHOULD return 24% (per annum?) and we only expect 12% possible losses. Even casino owners don't get those odds bwhahaahah..

Reference: http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...roved_Final.pdf
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The dispartity between risk and expected returns is too common. By bringing up a clear cut example on "some investors" cheapens the article. Not worthwhile to ponder too much on what is written. It is all about marketing pr to bring attention to some UT business. smile.gif

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Sorry that to ask , cmf is which one?
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thank you. i have never thought of selling into cmf through bond funds to earn the credit points. 1 extra step but at least save some $$$

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After weeks Ponzi 2.0 NAV above 0.3000!
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Strong double digit return for the past three years consecutively.... tight arse errr... I mean tight movement within its mean value (i.e., relatively low volatility).

Apa lagi lu mau?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 21 2015, 07:15 PM)
Strong double digit return for the past three years consecutively.... tight arse errr... I mean tight movement within its mean value (i.e., relatively low volatility).

Apa lagi lu mau?

Xuzen
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I'm aware of that.

The last time it breached 0.3000 was 24 June 2015
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 21 2015, 07:12 PM)
After weeks Ponzi 2.0 NAV above 0.3000!
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good news , luckily i added some that day at 0.2897


QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 21 2015, 02:51 PM)
Bro, selling it into CMF is NOT intra switch. It is considered as selling the funds.  doh.gif

Intra switch means:-

(1) Switching the profits from EISC into Eastspring Bond; and
(2) Switching the profits from KGF into Kenanga Bond.

In this way, you can accumulate credit points. Later you can intra switch back from the bond funds above into the equivalent equity funds within the same fund houses for FREE with zero sales fee.

If you wish, you can also switch later from Eastspring Bond or Kenanga Bond into CMF after getting the credit points.
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i see next time i can switch to bond , get free credits some more? But my Equity purchases bought at 0% fee can get credits also?

must stay how long in bond before switching out to CMF to get credits?
Switch in and immediately switch out also can get credit points?

thanx sifu sifu in here.

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the source....

Eastspring Investments Berhad releases Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study

Kuala Lumpur (2 October 2015) – Eastspring Investments Berhad, the Asia asset management arm of UK-based Prudential plc, today released Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study.
http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...roved_Final.pdf
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1. For a start, definition of millionaire in the report is measured in MYR, not USD laugh.gif

2. Who are the survey respondents? The title of the report is Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study.
There are many millionaires (whether measured in MYR or USD) who make their wealth in stock investment, commodity trading, real estate investment, or their own business, but nonetheless never invest in UT. These people have not been included in the study.
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Portfolio IRR shoots up to 4.1%
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 21 2015, 07:15 PM)
Strong double digit return for the past three years consecutively.... tight arse errr... I mean tight movement within its mean value (i.e., relatively low volatility).

Apa lagi lu mau?

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more volatility, more chances for value averaging ma
or for some, trading laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 21 2015, 07:15 PM)
Strong double digit return for the past three years consecutively.... tight arse errr... I mean tight movement within its mean value (i.e., relatively low volatility).

Apa lagi lu mau?

Xuzen
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I am reading CFA reference books now. Several chapters cover statistical methods.

But seriously, when we invest in unit trust, we expect its NAV to go up in long run (except in the case of distribution), rather than having a normal distribution with a mean value.
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1. For a start, definition of millionaire in the report is measured in MYR, not USD  laugh.gif

2. Who are the survey respondents? The title of the report is Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study.
There are many millionaires (whether measured in MYR or USD) who make their wealth in stock investment, commodity trading, real estate investment, or their own business, but nonetheless never invest in UT. These people have not been included in the study.
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1) it only has to be in USD?...MYR cannot be used in the study?
2) you mentioned the study titled "Unit Trust Investor Behaviour Study"....
then don't you think those that never invested in UT should not be included into this study? if they are included, then the title of the study should be changed..right?
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I am reading CFA reference books now. Several chapters cover statistical methods.

But seriously, when we invest in unit trust, we expect its NAV to go up in long run (except in the case of distribution), rather than having a normal distribution with a mean value.
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hmm.gif NAV keep going up in the long run?
I think there is a post# 406, page# 21 explained nicely earlier by j.passing.by about charting NAV prices and using it as performance measurement.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 08:06 PM)
rclxms.gif  mine too.....
Targeting to break this 4.2% FD rate  tongue.gif  blush.gif  mad.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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i am very happy joining u guys in this forumn.
surprisingly my IRR is 10% , must be luck as i buy by hearsay only,
no report reading no analysis on my part.
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hmm.gif NAV keep going up in the long run?
I think there is a post# 406, page# 21 explained nicely earlier by j.passing.by about charting NAV prices and using it as performance measurement.
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I already said 'except in the case of distribution'.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 09:14 PM)
i am very happy joining u guys in this forumn.
surprisingly my IRR is 10% , must be luck as i buy by hearsay only,
no report reading no analysis on my part.
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rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif good for you...

Happy to know that you are happy to join this forum.....me too...I learnt a lot and are still keep making mistakes and waiting to be corrected frequently... blush.gif

just noticed for this 2 days....this FSM thread are being viewed > 1000 views per day.....
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some thing to ponder about this morning.... biggrin.gif
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Great statement but I have yet to achieve 7 digits cry.gif
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I already said 'except in the case of distribution'.
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hmm.gif that is why he wonder and ask how to have NAV keep going up....(if there is distribution policy) tongue.gif

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Great statement but I have yet to achieve 7 digits  cry.gif
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hmm.gif changing to VND/rupiah may helps.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 09:29 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif  good for you...

Happy to know that you are happy to join this forum.....me too...I learnt a lot and are still keep making mistakes and waiting to be corrected frequently... blush.gif

just noticed for this 2 days....this FSM thread are being viewed > 1000 views per day.....
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must be me keep looking see wat u guys buying or selling.
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must be me keep looking see wat u guys buying or selling.
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see this also? shakehead.gif
Funds volume (By sales)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/topFunds.svdo
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Great statement but I have yet to achieve 7 digits  cry.gif
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How about rm999,999.99? laugh.gif brows.gif tongue.gif
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more volatility, more chances for value averaging ma 
or for some, trading laugh.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 21 2015, 09:58 PM)
see this also?  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 21 2015, 08:44 PM)
I am reading CFA reference books now. Several chapters cover statistical methods.

But seriously, when we invest in unit trust, we expect its NAV to go up in long run (except in the case of distribution), rather than having a normal distribution with a mean value.
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I think you misunderstood my statement. Let me correct it.... "tight movement around its mean growth rate". Makes more sense now?

Good! Now go read up on FAMA-FRENCH multi risky asset module risk parity pricing model. Good bedtime reading. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Chicks dig numbers guys these days cool2.gif cool2.gif cool2.gif

Tak caya? Just look at Jho Low score on Paris Hilton.

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see this also?  shakehead.gif
Funds volume (By sales)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/topFunds.svdo
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RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3 - RM shocking.gif

min Initial Investment @ RM 100,000 blush.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 21 2015, 10:21 PM)
RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3 - RM  shocking.gif

min Initial Investment @ RM 100,000  blush.gif
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target return 100% in five years = 14.4% p.a. annualised nia.

Even our humble Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif fund has been doing 16.7% p.a. consistently for the past ten years!

What is so great?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 21 2015, 09:29 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif  good for you...

Happy to know that you are happy to join this forum.....me too...I learnt a lot and are still keep making mistakes and waiting to be corrected frequently... blush.gif

just noticed for this 2 days....this FSM thread are being viewed > 1000 views per day.....
thumbup.gif Bravo..."PINK" the TS  rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif

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i wonder are we putting those UTC agenst out of biz ?

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my new account benefit (1% SC) is going to expire soon..
already bought ponzi 2.0 and small cap.. what else should i be looking at brows.gif nod.gif
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I think you misunderstood my statement. Let me correct it.... "tight movement around its mean growth rate". Makes more sense now?

Good! Now go read up on FAMA-FRENCH multi risky asset module risk parity pricing model. Good bedtime reading.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Chicks dig numbers guys these days  cool2.gif  cool2.gif  cool2.gif

Tak caya? Just look at Jho Low score on Paris Hilton.

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Xuzen, isn't the idea of UT is buying and holding for dividend? So how does say ponzi 2.0 able to give returns so fast?

By the way. No need to look so far. We have our own pinky who went to Vietnam. tongue.gif
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i wonder are we putting those UTC agenst out of biz ?

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Don't think so. Noob people will always use agent. Some prefer dealing with human. By the way Lee sook yes = kgf?
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Xuzen, isn't the idea of UT is buying and holding for dividend? So how does say ponzi 2.0 able to give returns so fast?

By the way. No need to look so far. We have our own pinky who went to Vietnam. tongue.gif
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You use the term UT and Dividend in one single sentence.... Nanti Labah-Labah Merah Jambu will rage vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif on you. Be very afraid!

You wanna know you write a letter to the Fund Manager and ask him/her lar....

I only know how to pick winners nia, I don't know how to train a winner.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 21 2015, 10:27 PM)
target return 100% in five years = 14.4% p.a. annualised nia.

Even our humble Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif fund has been doing 16.7% p.a. consistently for the past ten years!

What is so great?

Xuzen
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good question blush.gif

better invest in Lee Sook Yee wub.gif and it's ikan bilis friendly too blush.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 21 2015, 10:44 PM)
good question  blush.gif

better invest in Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif and it's ikan bilis friendly too  blush.gif
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Lee sook yee. What's the name of the fund?
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Don't think so. Noob people will always use agent. Some prefer dealing with human. By the way Lee sook yes = kgf?
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Lee sook yee. What's the name of the fund?
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my new account benefit (1% SC) is going to expire soon..
already bought ponzi 2.0 and small cap.. what else should i be looking at  brows.gif  nod.gif
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hmm.gif looking at this?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tarRatings.svdo
and this?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-May-2015--5825
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guy3288 in your pic, there are some which is like 20+% increase in the original value. Do you sell them or hold them for dividends?
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guy3288 in your pic, there are some which is like 20+% increase in the original value. Do you sell them or hold them for dividends?
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while waiting for guy3288, may I "kaypoh" a bit
Ramjade bro....if got time pls read this
from post#1 (click the spoiler) for more info on....
3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
guy3288 in your pic, there are some which is like 20+% increase in the original value. Do you sell them or hold them for dividends?
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Bro.. The dividends are not meaning
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Bro..  The dividends are not meaning
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Then how do you guys cash out the profit?
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Then how do you guys cash out the profit?
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Current valuation minus your total cost
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Then how do you guys cash out the profit?
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while waiting Kaka response...I too kaypoh a bit....
hmm.gif I am not sure about others, as for me, when I wanted to take profit, I just sell the number of units that is equivalent to the amount of profit.... (profits/NAV = number of units) ....
Q: How do I sell?
A: Selling is a simple process at Fundsupermart. Simply click on TRANSACTIONS-> SELL UNIT TRUSTS. The system will only show the funds that you have purchased through Fundsupermart. You need to select the fund that you wish to sell, then key in the number of units to sell.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 08:32 AM)
Then how do you guys cash out the profit?
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if you want to cash out profit, you need to track your investment ROI.

Or.. if you know you have not re balance the fund yet in a certain period of time, you can track the fund performance say 6months, 1year, etc... if in 6months the fund return is 10%, then you sell 10% of your fund value to get the profit.

Dividend is not profit, end of the day with or without distributions your total value in RM still the same (because your average buying NAV drop with distributions). Just difference will be the number of units increase with distributions.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
guy3288 in your pic, there are some which is like 20+% increase in the original value. Do you sell them or hold them for dividends?
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u make money when the price is up above your cost price, dividend gives u more units, but with price adjusted down, it is the same la.

I sell when i make quite abit and locked in the profit, becos market is up and down, so from making 20k can go down to zero, of course later usually climb back up la.

the 20% ROI u saw there is simple profit/cost x 100%, quite meaningless if dont take time into account.
Short term IRR also quite meaningless as u can see below.

i just bought CIMB Global Titans, and the IRR is mad 142.33%

Because i sell and buy back, the ROI also quite confusing, u see my CMF ROI -115%!! It is like each time u sell with a profit, your cost keep going down......till negative?

RHB OSK GEY showed ROI 61%, Amoasis Global Islamic Eq ROI 57%, yet u dont see the price double above my cost.
i think same reason, each time i sell with profit the Excelfile adjust my cost down??

Whatever it is,i find the Polarzbearz excel file fascinating.
Thanks to Polarzbearz for preparing a special file for me.


PS: Wanna ask yklooi and other sifus, wonder if my earlier mentioned of Summary IRR 10%
was falsely elevated due to this new purchase Global Titans?? That would be bad as it does not reflect true returns.

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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Thanks to Polarzbearz for preparing a special file for me.
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IRR is not accurate for investment made < 1 year.
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i wonder are we putting those UTC agenst out of biz ?

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Does that affect your business?

Btw, when did FSM launch its service in Malaysia? And when did Pinky start his first thread?

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guy3288, what do you mean by locking in profit?

So you don't hold long term? You buy and sell like doing share market trading?

David83, what's the best way to get the returns? Hold long term or sell like doing share market trading?

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IRR is not accurate for investment made < 1 year.
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Yes i agree totally.

I wonder how much does this new purchase influence my summary overall IRR?

Earlier i was happy with summary IRR 10.11%.
deduct away this 142% IRR left how much?...



QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 09:38 AM)
guy3288, what do you mean by locking in profit?

So you don't hold long term? You buy and sell like doing share market trading?
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yes, buy low -sell high, the if got chance, buy low back again. if miss (UT keep going up) forget it.
if lost money i hold long term eg my AmCommodities, just keep buying , no chance to sell so far becos no profit.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 22 2015, 09:38 AM)
Yes i agree totally.

I wonder how much does this new purchase influence my summary  overall IRR?

Earlier i was happy with summary IRR 10.11%.
deduct away this 142% IRR left how much?...
yes, buy low -sell high, the if got chance, buy low back again. if miss (UT keep going up) forget it.
if lost money i hold long term eg my AmCommodities, just keep buying , no chance to sell so far becos no profit.
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So you don't hold really hold long term for funds like ponzi 2.0 and titans unlike your ASX FP?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 09:38 AM)
guy3288, what do you mean by locking in profit?

So you don't hold long term? You buy and sell like doing share market trading?

David83, what's the best way to get the returns? Hold long term or sell like doing share market trading?
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I don't have methodology.

You better ask xuzen.
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Updated my portfolio, looking good for this month vs last month. Last month consider good already!
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Updated my portfolio, looking good for this month vs last month. Last month consider good already!
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So you personally, you hold long term or sell when it goes up?
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So you personally, you hold long term or sell when it goes up?
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My plan will re-balance once a year. I am not too rigid to this methodology as my re-balancing will depends on circumstances, but definitely will do it once a yer.

I hope to hold long term and will not take out the money I put in for investment till I retire. But I never know when I need a sum of money for urgent matters (I hope this will not happen).
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 22 2015, 11:07 AM)
My plan will re-balance once a year. I am not too rigid to this methodology as my re-balancing will depends on circumstances, but definitely will do it once a yer.

I hope to hold long term and will not take out the money I put in for investment till I retire. But I never know when I need a sum of money for urgent matters (I hope this will not happen).
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Assuming that you don't need the money, so you will topup, but you will sell? Can you explain what do you meant by rebalancing? How do you evaluate which funds need to rebalanced? Any criteria?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 11:31 AM)
Assuming that you don't need the money, so you will topup, but you will sell? Can you explain what do you meant by rebalancing?  How do you evaluate which funds need to rebalanced? Any criteria?
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Yes, will top up regularly.

Re-balancing is moving the money from funds to funds. Equity to Bond. Malaysia exposed to Asia ex-Japan or Developed market or China or Japan or etc and vise versa.

I do not have a fix criteria on re-balancing bro... I will ask my own crystal ball. If you think you have too much % in equities, you can move some to fixed income. If you think China will do well in next 2 years, then you move your money to China more, etc, etc..
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