dude..
this to risky...
never.. never.... never.... take ur best fren as ur gf....
tat susck...
find another one la....

Go step by step, drop some hints as you go, just remmember not to give any details here, or you will end up like KTM Densha / SE K750i guy who posted his story with his Nokia N70 girl

lazy read long essays of postings >.>

Go step by step, drop some hints as you go, just remmember not to give any details here, or you will end up like KTM Densha / SE K750i guy who posted his story with his Nokia N70 girl

Sigh. This is a difficult choice. But I can understand your feelings.

"A man who has not felt his heart lost to a woman, is not a man.. yet."
-Altie <-- hehe sorry, shameless plug. But I *did* come up with that myself.

Before you begin, you must understand the "battlefield". Know what you stand to gain and lose if you proceed further. What do you stand to gain? A girlfriend and possibly a life partner. What do you stand to lose? A dear friend and respect that has been built up for possibly a few years. Are you willing to make that sacrifice for the prize?

If you are, then read on.

Firstly, you must make your feelings known to her. Giving her a portrait of her sketched by you is but a hint. A glimmer of your total message. It's a good start, but now you proceed with the utmost confidence. Do not sway, do not stutter. Your next proclamation to her must be more forceful. But not to an extreme. If you're a movie buff, and you've watched "Kate and Leopold", you'll understand what I say next more fully. (If you have not, no matter, I shall make it as clear and concise as I can).

You've got to make your intentions known as clear as possible.

This is like a battle horn. So.. what exactly do you do? You ask her out for a drink. This should be fairly easy, you've known each other for a long time. You tell her:

"There's something I'd like to tell you. We've been friends for such a long time. I've gotten to know you very well and because of this friendship we've had, I'd like to get to know you better than that. What do you feel about that?"

Pause.

"Of course, if you do not feel the same way, we can still be good friends. I'm just asking for the chance for me to prove myself to you, that I can be relied on to take care of you.

The key is NOT to rush her. We're just opening a door here. We're not here to push her through the door. If she decides she likes your proposition, congratulations. If she decides that either you're not worth it, or that she's not ready to, then my friend, you have to be ready for the fall. I won't lie to you. It won't be pretty. It will be sad, it will be depressing, but GOD DAMN IT, get over it and just be her friend. That's all she wants now. Maybe.. in the future, she may take up your offer. Which depends on whether you're still available, which by then, will be HER loss.

I hope my insanely long post does not make you feel that this is impossible. Go for it. You don't even have to use any of my suggestions. A lot of this "love" business is played by ear. You improvise as you go along. Just make sure you enjoy the ride. It's not the end that counts, it's the ride.

Good luck, dude.

eh how did they end? i only know that they've started lol... they have bad ending ah?

Hi there,

I'm also having the same problem wif u, but I have already confessed. I did my confessing like this, I wondered wat u guyz think about - "Actually, I wan to let u know dat i like u. Dun worry, u dun hav to do anything, i just wan to let u know my feeling."

Well, I think I did my confession at the wrong time, it's quite near to our major exam. So, she replied me "Now is not the time for these, we must work hard for our exam, k?? Anyway, thx"

Again, I'm not quite sure whether I gave the correct answer - "Ya, dat's why I didn't wan u to do anything. In the meantime, let's continue b best fren, k?" She said ok......

Now, I really dunno wat should i do next other than concentrating in my exam.

I have a friend (girl) that I'm really close with. Slowly, I started to have feelings for her. I can't deny it anymore. I gave her a portrait of her that I sketched myself as a present on her birthday recently. That clearly shows that it means something, right? I know that she knows that I care for her, I always be there for her and I know she knows that I really, really like her. It's complicated as both of us seems to "ignore" it.

The problem is she is so beautiful and angelic while I'm just a plain average guy. I haven't express my feelings for her yet because I'm so afraid. I'm afraid that things won't be the same after I'll spill my heart out. Do you think that things would work for both us? Can beauty and (not beast though) average joe be one? What is the best way for me to express my love for her. For all these time, we have been the best of friends. We share the same interests, laugh at the same joke, all worked well...

I desperately need some guidance,

Thanks...

Since u oledi know each other well, diz will b quite ez.Here's some guide:

1. Dun ever tell her dat u love her..but make sure she know u want her. Gurlz will only play2 wif u if u tell them dat u love/like them from the beginning. Only tell her u love her after a few months.

2. Always tease & play wif her. But dun make it to much for her. Turn her ON.

3. Make sure she comfortable to be around u.

4. If u & her going on a date
--> if 1st date, make sure u arrive early (don ever let her waiting 4 u. Diz one my mistake.). Then dun ever treat her wif money. Ask her whether she want to pay on her own or she want u 2 pay. Here u can tease her about paying dinner/stuff. Juz tease..okay? Dun OVER.
--> 2nd & so on date can let loose but dun make any mistakes..if u did, apologize sincerly.

5. Only give her flowers after 4 to 5 time u date her and NEVER GIVE HER FAKE ONE!! DATZ SUCKZ!!

6. Dun b so desperate 4 her. Let loose. Same reason as number 1.

7. Dun treat her too nice...juz so-so. Sometimes u can treat her more than ur usual treatment. But DUN OVER.

8. Make lotz of girl frenz...treat her a bit more than u treat ur gurl frenz, some times equal & sometimes less (dun be too less).

9. Sometimes argue wif her. Let her win somtimes..or u win sometimes. Depending on topics & situation & her mood. For 1st argue make sure u win, then olan carefully.

10. Talk wif her as usual.

11. If u & her went to some party, talk to her & other equally. But pay attention to wat she do & say & to who she talk to. Sometimes u ned to talk to her, then go & talk wif ur fren (gurlz/boyz). But rememmber, not to long/dun leave her alone too long...then talk to her again. Repeat diz. She will be happy. Hehe..diz work maa. 

12. If u happen on a date/out wif her...pay attention to wat she said(other time also). Like..when she said she like a teddy, try to buy it immediately. If she resist..u know wat to do...let loose. Then when u & her going back..ask her to follow u(make sure she dunno where to)....juz brougth her to da shop/leave her somewhere. Buy da teddy/things she like earlier. She will be happy. The key here is to play wif her feelings...1st she tell u dat she like da thing...2nd try to buy it asap/juz leave it there...3rd buy da thing 4 her without her knowing/realize it.

13. Owh...after ur 1st date, dun immediately call her..try to let loose 4 at leats 4 to 9 days. Then call her & talk like usual. REMEMBER: DUN BE SO DESPERATE IN FRONT OF HER EVEN U REALLY..REALLY...DESPERATE TO GET HER. DUN EVER LET HER KNOW DAT U DESPERATELY WANT HER & DUN TALK ABOT MARRIED B4 SHE ASK U 1ST (but depend on situation maa..if u oledi wif her long enuff then itz okay to talk wif her abot married..but dun OVER. Juz so-so in case u want to know whether she ready or not.)

P/S: I make toooo many mistake when I try to approach a gurl dat I really love. Now dun care oledi. Da lesson here...dun do something like wat I did.  Gud luk pal!!

Haha..datz bad lor. Dun say u love a gurl b4 she did. 

if u have the post up earlier maybe a week or 2, den I won't make the mistake.........

nah to b frank their advice is almost the same as my flirting technique, juz dat i dont showered girls with gifts as it would make it too obvious and i always ended up with bad luck when showering girls with gift.

this technique really work owh, paling teruk is if theres no attraction, then both party can parted ways peacefully n continue to b good frens and neither of them face the humiliation and moral down of rejection.

i even experiment this on online games wayyy back then, succesfully p$wned most of the girl hoh, jz dat time i after breakup, depression only play2� only nvr consider to take relationship in online games seriously and into another intimate lvl.

are u muslim?
Selamat Hari Raya (if u are)

Dear thread starter,

Perhaps you can try something like
"If you were into it, I'd like to take our relationship to the next level. If you're not, then I hope that my admission won't change our current great friendship in any way."

It's quite straight to the point. I hope this helps. All the best to ya !  x

ya lorr...flirting gets the girl rite? same liao....
u flirt...get the girl...
then dont go to the next level...up to u la...

are u the guy with the underage girl problem?

haha...i know actually u oso flirt with her rite? lol
what happened leh?
had fun adi meh?

lol

I have a friend (girl) that I'm really close with. Slowly, I started to have feelings for her. I can't deny it anymore. I gave her a portrait of her that I sketched myself as a present on her birthday recently. That clearly shows that it means something, right? I know that she knows that I care for her, I always be there for her and I know she knows that I really, really like her. It's complicated as both of us seems to "ignore" it.

The problem is she is so beautiful and angelic while I'm just a plain average guy. I haven't express my feelings for her yet because I'm so afraid. I'm afraid that things won't be the same after I'll spill my heart out. Do you think that things would work for both us? Can beauty and (not beast though) average joe be one? What is the best way for me to express my love for her. For all these time, we have been the best of friends. We share the same interests, laugh at the same joke, all worked well...

I desperately need some guidance,

Thanks...

One more thing you guys have to learn is that nobody is an average joe ok? Everybody is unique and I am sure you are special in your own ways. If you look down upon yourself like that before anything even starts, someday you will have a mentality that you are not good enough for her. Eventually you back out, eventually both of you get hurt. Thoughts like this kills. If you go on like this, dont start anything to begin with. Live and die on your own.

Ya agreed.
IF u alwiz thing negatively about yrself, it means u dun hav no confidence, and gals doesn't like guyz with no confidence.

Come on, give yr CONFIDENCE a BOOST.
Jz my 2 cents. 

The problem is 98% of the gals won't take the 1st move.........�
BTW, if u have the post up earlier maybe a week or 2, den I won't make the mistake.........

but Invince...
ur very good haa.....
make the girl all puddy in ur hands.....
reli will fall one....90 percent sure....haha
how many girls have fallen for u meh?

but the 10 percent is because if another guy with same tricks come along.....
then it will a different game liao....

Evangelistica --> tell us if u succeed or anything bother u.While u flirting/teasing/spent time/chatting wif her..try learn new things about her & also new trickz(better learning urself bcoz u'll remember it for sure)
P/S: U guys can go Evangelistica another thread(same title but closed oledi).Wander y moderator not combine both thread?

haiz... there's just too much for me to share, and too lil` i want to say. But i'd say, i've been there, done that, and survive with serious wounds, that now had healed to the best of both worlds.

i hav nothing else to offer but pats, as others had say what there is to say... so all the best my fren.

Lor..share la.Teaching will give u wider view of things...plus SHARING IS CARING 

dont do it cause no way she would accept you

if u confess... you will lose a friend TRUST ME!

dont do it cause no way she would accept you

if u confess... you will lose a friend TRUST ME!

well it really depends on wat type of gal yr best fren is.......
i hate those ppl who tries to destroy everything including dat friendship jz b'coz someone confessed to them

IMO, do it at the correct time rather than regret not doin so.....
Let her know instead of regreting it yr whole life.....who knows she might b the one for u
Even if u got rejected, nvm.

Tomorrow I'll see her again. It has been a week since we both don't see each other. God, I want to see her sooo bad !!!

ah.

falling in luv with your best friend. i nearly did that once, lucky i had a talk with her, and sort everything out properly. still am good friend till this day.

i won't sacrifice a good friend just for the sake of feeling in love. good friends are hard to comeby.

you really dun wish to bring your relationship to the next level?! i've been good friends with a guy for a loooooooooong time, and i sorta hope he'd bring up the topic first~ girl shy to request~

dont do it cause no way she would accept you

if u confess... you will lose a friend TRUST ME!

i agree with the part that good friends slowly evolve into couple. unlike some crappy arses who got attracted to you at first sight and 'wants your number'.

i've done that before...didnt lose her as a friend,in fact became closer

well.. some girls will some girls won't... depends on her personality.... or.. also depends on how u confess and able to mend it after she says no...

anyway.. go and confess.. u only live once~

you really dun wish to bring your relationship to the next level?! i've been good friends with a guy for a loooooooooong time, and i sorta hope he'd bring up the topic first~ girl shy to request~

yes bro. so how?! 2 years jor... never parted before... sigh...

i hope the TS won't mind, coz i similar problem with him too, lol, just that gender is other way round.

just blurt it out?! i've been giving out hints bigger than heaven liao, if he dun get it, fine~

yes, it will be awkward after i blurt it out.

I have a friend (girl) that I'm really close with. Slowly, I started to have feelings for her. I can't deny it anymore. I gave her a portrait of her that I sketched myself as a present on her birthday recently. That clearly shows that it means something, right? Well hopefully she got the meaning. I know that she knows that I care for her, I always be there for her and I know she knows that I really, really like her. It's complicated as both of us seems to "ignore" it.

The problem is she is so beautiful and angelic while I'm just a plain average guy. I haven't express my feelings for her yet because I'm so afraid. I'm afraid that things won't be the same after I'll spill my heart out. Do you think that things would work for both us? Can beauty and (not beast though) average joe be one? What is the best way for me to express my love for her. For all these time, we have been the best of friends. We share the same interests, laugh at the same joke, all worked well...

I desperately need some guidance,

Thanks...

i hope the TS won't mind, coz i similar problem with him too, lol, just that gender is other way round.

just blurt it out?! i've been giving out hints bigger than heaven liao, if he dun get it, fine~

yes, it will be awkward after i blurt it out.

ohh ur tag written male
u sure u're female? 
hehe just jk

anyways its normal these days for gals to blurt their feelings out
or u can try the 'doctor' method
doctor as in not those that wanna know wat sickness u have or anything like that
wat i meant is a physcology doctor(or professor, bah who cares )
basically listen to ur...whining, or rant or nag
just tell him that u like a guy
and that guy has all the criteria like him (attitude, hobbies etc)
if he still blur blur, just say that guy is him and hang up the phone ASAP

I wish that girl friend of mine already has that feelings towards me.   

Dear Evangelistica,

Chances are she already does [I'm very sure there is at least a little feeling and a little feeling is enough]. She's probably just waiting for you to ask or make you move. With a little planning and ALOT of guts, I'm sure things will work out fine. Use the phrase which I posted before this. 

I met her today after we dont see each other for a week ( for Raya). I dunno but something felt different between us. We both seems too shy to talk to each other. I greeted her in the morning (we work in the same office) and she replied a little. Then all the way to the afternoon, there's nothing. Both of us seems "very odd" towards each other. When I passed by, she called me and said that she wants to say something, I paused, and she said, "err... later". Time passed by. Then I passed by again and she called me again and said, " ada benda yang syahdu..." (there's something very touching..) but I just paused for a moment I said "uhh OK" and continue my way. (stupid of me!!!) .Then I passed by again and she called me again just to show her how to download an attachment from an email. Major odd moments between us. In the evening, by the time she start to leave the office, she said her bye's to me.

Seriously something very different is happening between us. Our whole day was completely odd. I'm looking forward for what's gonna happen tomorrow.

p/s: I didn't confess to her yet so that's not the cause for our wierd day. I guess maybe she finally knew my love for her even before I spill it out after she read my Raya sms for her. I said...

" Kad kucari tiada yang menepati,
  Lalu sms kujadikan pengganti,
  Buatmu teman yang amat kukasihi,
  Semoga berbahagia di Lebaran ini"

Maybe though...

at least you're giving to a guy..
i gave so many hints,but she never saw it
where the heck is that woman's intuition when you need it?
uh..well,it was OK for me,confessed twice...
now "good friends" or atleast thats what she says

ohh ur tag written male
u sure u're female? 
hehe just jk

anyways its normal these days for gals to blurt their feelings out
or u can try the 'doctor' method
doctor as in not those that wanna know wat sickness u have or anything like that
wat i meant is a physcology doctor(or professor, bah who cares )
basically listen to ur...whining, or rant or nag
just tell him that u like a guy
and that guy has all the criteria like him (attitude, hobbies etc)
if he still blur blur, just say that guy is him and hang up the phone ASAP

Owh..u way sure bcome million times ezier now.Do something that will touch her heart..then confess her.she sure got feeling towards u.Do it fast...or u'll regret it.

p/s: looks like my advice not really neded by u.But certain part still ned to be use even after u & her oledi couple

GuD LuCK!!!

You are my NO 1 SUPPORTER!! THANKS BROTHER... On the contrary, it's your advice and moral "push" gives me the boost that I needed. Thanks again, sincerely from me..

No la  ..just dun want u to bcome like me. 

Noted. Anyway, I want to go slow and steady with her. I know her, she doesn't like things to be rushed. If we were meant to be together (hopefully  ) then it will be, eventually. Lets just hope that God gives me the right moment and hints on when/where/how to take the next step.

also ask for theballstodosocourage...

patience,and waiting for the right moment is one thing,having the guts to do something when the chance presents itself is another!

dont chicken out when the signs are so obvious

did that a few times...regret 

I have a friend (girl) that I'm really close with. Slowly, I started to have feelings for her. I can't deny it anymore. I gave her a portrait of her that I sketched myself as a present on her birthday recently. That clearly shows that it means something, right? Well hopefully she got the meaning. I know that she knows that I care for her, I always be there for her and I know she knows that I really, really like her. It's complicated as both of us seems to "ignore" it.

The problem is she is so beautiful and angelic while I'm just a plain average guy. I haven't express my feelings for her yet because I'm so afraid. I'm afraid that things won't be the same after I'll spill my heart out. Do you think that things would work for both us? Can beauty and (not beast though) average joe be one? What is the best way for me to express my love for her. For all these time, we have been the best of friends. We share the same interests, laugh at the same joke, all worked well...

I desperately need some guidance,

Thanks...

Noted. Anyway, I want to go slow and steady with her. I know her, she doesn't like things to be rushed. If we were meant to be together (hopefully  ) then it will be, eventually. Lets just hope that God gives me the right moment and hints on when/where/how to take the next step.

Guys always want to rush rush rush... All the rush to the sex part and then tame down, sienz and byebye... This kind of things cannot be hurried, it needs to be nurtured so take your time because if you truly love her and spends the rest of your life with her, if that ever happens, you can have sex with her as long as your d**k can stand.