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post Sep 20 2006, 01:18 AM, updated 4y ago

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This is roughly how basic ICE worls.. i hope that this can b pinned up so that beginners can get a picture how it is normally run..


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thumbup.gif Cool.

I got some diagram from MTX web which can use and reference too.

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Information for Amps and Subwoofers

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When you're ready to put a sub into your vehicle, there are a lot of options to choose from. Once you get past the basic question of the size and number of subs you want in your system, you need to decide on the type of sub(s) and the type of amplifier(s) you'll use.

When picking subs, you've got a choice between single voice coil (one set of terminals) and dual voice coil (DVC) models (two sets of terminals). Dual voice coil subs give you more wiring options than single voice coil models. Usually, but certainly not always, dual voice coil models are built for higher power handling and performance.

When choosing an amplifier, the most important thing is to pick one with the right amount of power for your subs (you can read more about that here.) Once you've decided how much power you need, you'll need to decide which type of amp to use. For most sub systems, you'll want to choose either a mono amp or a two-channel amp.

To get you on the fast track to big bass, let's look at four common combinations of subwoofers. We'll check out the advantages of each, the best wiring configuration, then discuss the type of amp to choose. We'll even show you how to hook 'em up!


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One single 4-ohm voice coil sub

Advantages
Simplicity, price, and compactness are the big advantages of a single sub system. A single sub is pretty easy to hook up, there are a lot of reasonably priced models to choose from, and it won't take up too much room (although a 15" sub isn't exactly small!) You may not knock over small buildings with one sub, but you can still get a lot of solid bass.

The right type of amp to use
This is a perfect place for a two-channel amp. By bridging the output of the amp, you'll get lots of power for a relatively low cost. Avoid using a mono amp here - they work best at a lower impedance than 4 ohms.


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One 4-ohm dual voice coil sub

Advantages
Don't be confused about dual voice coil (DVC) subs - having two voice coils simply gives you more ways to hook them up. In addition to wiring flexibility, the advantages of using one dual voice coil sub are power handling (most dual voice coil subs are built for heavy-duty use) and compactness.

The right type of amp to use
This is a perfect situation for a mono sub amp. Why? Mono amps are built to provide the most power at lower impedances, typically around 2 ohms. By wiring the voice coils in parallel, we can present a 2-ohm impedance to the amp and get maximum power output. Check the diagram below for how to hook it up.


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Two 4-ohm single voice coil subs

Advantages
When you're looking for big bass, having two subs makes a lot of sense. After all, sound is just the movement of air, and with two subs you can move lots of air! As before, price can be an advantage when selecting 4-ohm single voice coil subs. Sure, two subs will take up more room, but what do you want - trunk space or bass?

The right type of amp to use
This setup is perfect for a mono sub amp. By wiring the two subs in parallel (see the diagram) you'll show a 2-ohm impedance to the amp. Mono amps are built for just this kind of situation, so you'll get maximum power output from your amp investment. Check the diagram below for how to hook it up.


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Two 4-ohm dual voice coil subs

Advantages
Wiring flexibility is the key here. You've got lots of different ways to hook up this combination. With two subs, this is a great way to get the pounding bass you're looking for. Hook 'em up and hold on tight!

The right type of amp to use
This is a great place to use a two-channel amp. When you wire the subs as shown in the diagram below, the total impedance will be four ohms. A bridged two-channel amp can provide plenty of power at a reasonable price. Get some good subs and a good amp and let it rip!






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COOL JOB ...GUYS!!! rclxms.gif

at least know some basic ICE knowledge around here...

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glad that it helps u.. smile.gif
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post Sep 21 2006, 04:45 PM

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Topic pinned as requested by topic starter since this is a good reference for ICE setup.
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post Sep 22 2006, 12:42 AM

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thanks, bro!! biggrin.gif
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can label which kind of wire used to connect every single item as well??
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it's either RCA o speaker cable.. if it is speaker cable then it is for speaker.. and RCA is used between the crossover, amp and HU smile.gif
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great info for who new in ICE like me...
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actually wat is the full name of ICE? im sorry to ask such a noobie question but really curious about it...
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QUOTE(Phoenixwunin @ Jan 6 2007, 02:57 PM)
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im using this setup,bought at rm1300 one and a half years ago.. wat i can say is, for me its powerful enuf,blast without pecah suara....haha

i even blow my 12" sub wen i first got it..luckily after claim waranty until now no prob... now tak berani go maximum lar..haha


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mind tell me whats ur setup?
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QUOTE(kahheng @ Mar 24 2007, 01:31 AM)
im using this setup,bought at rm1300 one and a half years ago.. wat i can say is, for me its powerful enuf,blast without pecah suara....haha

i even blow my 12" sub wen i first got it..luckily after claim waranty until now no prob... now tak berani go maximum lar..haha
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Same like my setup lor. But wanted to get a 2 channel amplifier to kick my component set, and bridge my 4 channel amp into 1 channel and kick my 12inch sub woofer.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 24 2007, 07:45 AM)
Same like my setup lor. But wanted to get a 2 channel amplifier to kick my component set, and bridge my 4 channel amp into 1 channel and kick my 12inch sub woofer.
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why do u want to waste your 4 channel to kick a sub? Becos most 4 channel is meant to power components, for sub u either get a 2 channel or a monoblock will do the job.
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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Mar 24 2007, 09:42 AM)
why do u want to waste your 4 channel to kick a sub? Becos most 4 channel is meant to power components, for sub u either get a 2 channel or a monoblock will do the job.
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Eh.. Mean I terbalik already?? Erm.. Actually I think to use 4channel to kick my 12 inch woofer because, I wan to add another 12 inch woofer. So 4 channel kick 2 woofer and 2 channel kick my component set. If i use 2 channel amp to kick a pair of my 12inch woofer, I scare it not enough power to kick.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 24 2007, 09:48 AM)
Eh.. Mean I terbalik already?? Erm.. Actually I think to use 4channel to kick my 12 inch woofer because, I wan to add another 12 inch woofer. So 4 channel kick 2 woofer and 2 channel kick my component set. If i use 2 channel amp to kick a pair of my 12inch woofer, I scare it not enough power to kick.
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can jus use one monobloc to kick two 12 woofer bcz u can bridge the woofer together, jz check dereturner diagram....

tohsan,my setup is jz like the drawing,simple....
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QUOTE(kahheng @ Mar 24 2007, 10:41 AM)
can jus use one monobloc to kick two 12 woofer bcz u can bridge the woofer together, jz check dereturner diagram....

tohsan,my setup is jz like the drawing,simple....
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ok let me rephrase "what is ur equipment brand & specification"? smile.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 24 2007, 09:48 AM)
If i use 2 channel amp to kick a pair of my 12inch woofer, I scare it not enough power to kick.
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if the 2 channel is a good amp, is more than enuf to whack a 12" sub .. correct me if i m wrong sifu tohsan tongue.gif
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usually u just get a 2 channels amp bridged it to push the sub, either the amp rms power is same as the sub or slightly a lil bit more is good enough. All is up to your preference.


btw I am a newbie oni not seefu.

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Mar 24 2007, 04:24 PM)
usually u just get a 2 channels amp bridged it to push the sub, either the amp rms power is same as the sub or slightly a lil bit more is good enough. All is up to your preference.
btw I am a newbie oni not seefu.
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just try to play with the gain...dun up to a certain lvl which can burn ur sub den will be save..just my 2 cents nod.gif
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brand? haha... chikai one lar..
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Cikai amplifier tak boleh pakai de. I using Debert amplifier. and wan to get MBQ 2channel amplifier.


Added on March 24, 2007, 10:13 pmI need to ask something. I using the 4 channel amplifier, 1 and 2 channel is front speaker, 3 and 4 channel is rear speaker. Now the setup is, bridge front speaker 1 channel for component set and rear speaker bridge for woofer. But, when in my HU, I use fade, but it nothing happen. Fade to front or rear also no different. I thought fade to front, only front speaker got sound and fade to back, only back speaker got sound?

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your perception of fade is correct.. but the reason y it isn't working is bcz u've set up the amplifier wrongly.. is it ur idea 2 setup the system (the channel thing) urself o is it the installer d0es it? n if i'm n0t wr0ng.. u r listening ur audio in mono rather than stereo..
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QUOTE(mattchin @ Mar 24 2007, 11:00 PM)
your perception of fade is correct.. but the reason y it isn't working is bcz u've set up the amplifier wrongly.. is it ur idea 2 setup the system (the channel thing) urself o is it the installer d0es it? n if i'm n0t wr0ng.. u r listening ur audio in mono rather than stereo..
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My installer help me do it. So how only set up will be better? What wrong with the setup? Can guide me? But now my system is stereo. Not only fade function, balance function also cannot work.
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u said u bridge the front speakers mar... isn't it? from 2 channel to 1 channel.. for sure it's mono aledi.. as for the fade thing.. wat HU r u using?


Added on March 24, 2007, 11:37 pmbtw.. whose idea to bridge 1 ah? eh.. plz advice a bit which installer/acc shop u went? so tat we won't go marhh.. hehe tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mattchin @ Mar 24 2007, 11:36 PM)
u said u bridge the front speakers mar... isn't it? from 2 channel to 1 channel..  for sure it's mono aledi.. as for the fade thing.. wat HU r u using?


Added on March 24, 2007, 11:37 pmbtw.. whose idea to bridge 1 ah? eh.. plz advice a bit which installer/acc shop u went? so tat we won't go marhh.. hehe tongue.gif
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I using sony HU. Type S. I forget the model. The fella bridge into one channel said it more power to kick my woofer. Then he mai bridge lor. But the component set, I don't think is bridge to 1 channel and i also not so sure.Cause i still can listen stereo sound. Hehe.. I guess not bridge the component. What can i do so that i can use fade and balance function?
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yes.. he is correct about bridging 2 channel into 1 channel is more powerful.. n this purpose onli serves to whack the woofers.. o from 4 channel to 2 channel 2 power the speakers..

u better check what is the setup first.. cz i thought u said it is bridged to 1 channel for the front speakers.. n also the HU.. by having the model number will let u know how many preout u haf..

n what do u mean wif "rear speaker bridge for woofer".. i don understand at all..
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QUOTE(mattchin @ Mar 24 2007, 11:54 PM)
yes.. he is correct about bridging 2 channel into 1 channel is more powerful.. n this purpose onli serves to whack the woofers.. o from 4 channel to 2 channel 2 power the speakers..

u better check what is the setup first.. cz i thought u said it is bridged to 1 channel for the front speakers.. n also the HU.. by having the model number will let u know how many preout u haf..

n what do u mean wif "rear speaker bridge for woofer".. i don understand at all..
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mean 3 and 4 channel is rear speaker. Then bridge 3 and 4 become 1 channel lor. I check jor. Front component set didn't bridge. only bridge for woofer.
the HU is sony s11s.

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do u mean previously it is rear speakers n now u r using it for woofer?
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QUOTE(mattchin @ Mar 25 2007, 12:30 AM)
do u mean previously it is rear speakers n now u r using it for woofer?
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No no.. I use woofer all the time. Sorry to make u blur.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 25 2007, 09:04 AM)
No no.. I use woofer all the time. Sorry to make u blur.
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Just use the front speakers and one subwoofer good enough, the rear speakers throw away. Use the 2 channels of ur 4 channel sub to push the components, then use the balance 2 channels bridged it to mono and push the subwoofer. The fade no need to use becos u oni got front speakers. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Mar 26 2007, 10:07 AM)
Just use the front speakers and one subwoofer good enough, the rear speakers throw away. Use the 2 channels of ur 4 channel sub to push the components, then use the balance 2 channels bridged it to mono and push the subwoofer. The fade no need to use becos u oni got front speakers. smile.gif
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Oh.. I get it. Then if i wan listen the front speaker sound only then how to set? Cause sometime fetch someone, their not really like the bass from woofer. So if better got fade function. The subwoofer cannot work as rear speaekr??
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some HU got provide those function which can turn off/lower the level of the sub from the HU
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 26 2007, 04:03 PM)
Oh.. I get it. Then if i wan listen the front speaker sound only then how to set? Cause sometime fetch someone, their not really like the bass from woofer. So if better got fade function. The subwoofer cannot work as rear speaekr??
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reduce the volume as easy as that. everyone is happy. smile.gif

If ur HU have a pre-out for subwoofer then u can reduce the gain of the subwoofer or switch it off also if u want, othwerwise u can't do anything except just reduce the volume.

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Mar 27 2007, 08:52 AM)
reduce the volume as easy as that. everyone is happy.  smile.gif

If ur HU have a pre-out for subwoofer then u can reduce the gain of the subwoofer or switch it off also if u want, othwerwise u can't do anything except just reduce the volume.
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If use 2 unit of amplifier can use fading? Cause i heard some people said that, use 2 amplifier can use fading. If really cannot, then i might getting a electronic crossover with sub volume control. Preamp don't have sub volume control rght?
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for me, balance i put neutral while Fade setting i set R +2 giving me more bass from my rear channel using 6x9 tongue.gif
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for me, balance i put neutral while Fade setting i set R +2 giving me more bass from my rear channel using 6x9 tongue.gif
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Haha.. U use amp and u still can use fading? Good HU that u using.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 27 2007, 09:43 AM)
If use 2 unit of amplifier can use fading? Cause i heard some people said that, use 2 amplifier can use fading. If really cannot, then i might getting a electronic crossover with sub volume control. Preamp don't have sub volume control rght?
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no need to complicate the whole scenario, just get a Hu with 3 pre-out, one for front speakers,one for rear speakers and one for subwoofer. Then u can control the subwoofer from your HU. smile.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 27 2007, 09:08 PM)
Haha.. U use amp and u still can use fading? Good HU that u using.
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i can control the FAD even i got use 1 amp... connect the output n input in correct way will do...
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hey guys I'm using a 4-way speakers so is it necessary to have amp?
I'm currently using OEM setup, 2 panels on door & 2 rear speakers (the 4-way is going to replace these).
My HU is Waja Clarion HU, so if amp needed would 2 channel suffice the setup? not planning install subwoofer though.
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QUOTE(usus @ Oct 9 2007, 11:41 AM)
hey guys I'm using a 4-way speakers so is it necessary to have amp?
I'm currently using OEM setup, 2 panels on door & 2 rear speakers (the 4-way is going to replace these).
My HU is Waja Clarion HU, so if amp needed would 2 channel suffice the setup? not planning install subwoofer though.
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if you feel the sound loud and clear enough then no need amp lar. if you want the low bass sound the you can get a 2 channel amp for powering the sub only.

you can also power 4 speaker with 2 channel amp, but you cant adjust the volume between front and back speaker. this is how to do it: from amp left positive to front left speaker positive, then same speaker negative to back left speaker positive, then back speaker negative to amp left negative. this way you produce 8omh, which sounds lower but better than 2 speaker joint to same positive and negative, which result in 2omh for the amp, chapalang amp sure cannot tahan one.
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Thankz for the nice info. Now need to check my woofer type since I need to get a new amp for it. My cap ayam amp look like cannot blast the amp eventhough it show max power 800W (same as needed by my woofer). Still got confuse with the 2 channel amp and mono block.
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try to get above 1k watt..
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QUOTE(stormyz @ Dec 6 2007, 10:55 PM)
try to get above 1k watt..
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That for mono block or 2 channel amp?

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2 channel amp will b alrite..

before that .. do u noe watz the maximum watt for ur woofer..

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It wrote at the back 800W but I will check it tomorrow for it max watt.
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Will find out which amp suit my woofer, if branded woofer cost in the range of RM500-RM1k for 800W, is that normal?


Added on December 7, 2007, 9:04 amJust check out the subwoofer model, find this info from web.

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Power handling 400 watts RMS ,
Peak power 800 watts,
Frequency range 25-800 Hz,
Sensitivity 93 dB,
Top mount depth: 5-5/16" Sealed box volume 1.0 cubic feet Ported box volume 1.0 cubic feet Polypropylene woofer cone.


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look for power handling rather than peak power.. it's easier for u to aim for the amp.. n not the forget if it's Dual Voice Coil n the impedance; 4ohm, 8 ohm o 2ohm..

woofer o amp selected wrongly may result something bad smile.gif
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Will over powered amp, 1000w for an example will damage my woofer?
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1000w amp is highly unlikely unless ur using some higher ends models
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Ye lor... My previous cap ayam amp show 800w but it only produce 100w.
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look for de power rated wif RMS measurement...

those 800W is @ peak.. rm2000+ amp can onli get 150rms x 4... so if an amp that is onli rm600 can get 800W.. wondering how possible is that...

this is a simple differentiation n not accurate at all 1... juz a simple reference.. smile.gif


Added on December 14, 2007, 11:51 am2-channel amp normally r stable at 1 ohm...

monoblock amp is at 2 ohm...

(*doesn't apply to all amp)

this is what normally happens.. so if u would to get an amp, plz make sure the specification written 2-ohm stable o 1-ohm stable..

this ohm thingy, u need 2 refer back to ur woofer's impedance

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Currently my setup is :

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HU = stock Kenari
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Isn't sound good if we take out the preamp?
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what's a pre-amp..?
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ref. to the pic with crossover, need xpert advise here
i have alpine 9870e with 1 preout.
should i be getting e-xover in order to use a 4ch amp?
i was told by a shop that i need to use preamp because my HU only got 1 preout
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How do i get a bass sound without using sub?
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Guys, im a newbie on this (ICE)...

I just bought and fixed a HU Sony CDX-GT470US and
a set of DLS Classic series B6A is a 16,5 cm (6,5") 2-way system for my Proton Gen.2.

If I want a decent setup, what should I buy after this? Please advice.

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Just get an amp to power ur comps & finally fine tune to suits ur taste....& probably add an amp + sub...
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Mar 8 2008, 01:03 AM)
How do i get a bass sound without using sub?
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6x9 can. i have heard a friend kancil using carrozzeria (i dont know if the speeling correct) 4 way 6x9.. can hear 'stub-stub' from distance. I taught he is using sub. the down side is the sound is mixed.. u dont have clean bass.

i also have this boschmann 6.5" woofer (can hear stub2 from outside already), which i use for few weeks before i upgrade to 8" boschmann woofer.. that 6.5 very nice, u can fit it at the rear without much work as the size is standard.. its going for sale at RM100 for one pair (2pcs) (got punctured on the surround by previous installer which i didnt realize, but still can repair).. any buyers? biggrin.gif
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got some question:
is that 2ch amp only can connect to 2 sets of component
can a 2ch amp drive 4 sets of component (2 set front 2 set rear)
how many amp can be install to a HU icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(! Love Money @ Apr 10 2008, 05:41 AM)
got some question:
is that 2ch amp only can connect to 2 sets of component
can a 2ch amp drive 4 sets of component (2 set front 2 set rear)
how many amp can be install to a HU icon_question.gif
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hope this helps...
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erm i need some help here,currently driving new saga,now i plan to install 5 inch speaker on my door side panel,isit necessary to put a amp?the 5 inch speaker compatible wit the original speaker at rear?isit necessary to do cross over?thx in advance

p/s:not a bass fan

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QUOTE(Wuakaka @ Apr 23 2008, 08:14 AM)
erm i need some help here,currently driving new saga,now i plan to install 5 inch speaker on my door side panel,isit necessary to put a amp?the 5 inch speaker compatible wit the original speaker at rear?isit necessary to do cross over?thx in advance

p/s:not a bass fan
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If juz speaker no need unless u wan better sound... for normal listening it's more than enough from the original HU. If u have budget and wan better sound quality, get a component system and an amp, if wan better bass can install 6x9 at the rear for extra bass. i recommend u blaupunkt GTA-480 4ch amp or Boschmann amp, these r available in a lot of place, for starters these amps quite ok. The speakers juz go according to ur budget la, Boschmann quite cheap and quite gud for starters. Hope this help.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Apr 23 2008, 04:32 PM)
If juz speaker no need unless u wan better sound... for normal listening it's more than enough from the original HU. If u have budget and wan better sound quality, get a component system and an amp, if wan better bass can install 6x9 at the rear for extra bass. i recommend u blaupunkt GTA-480 4ch amp or Boschmann amp, these r available in a lot of place, for starters these amps quite ok. The speakers juz go according to ur budget la, Boschmann quite cheap and quite gud for starters. Hope this help.
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if after install my 5 inch speaker at side door panel,and oni get an amp,it will make any difference?coz i am planning to put a 2 way or 3 way speaker at the back,wan slowly push up,but no budget now,so put amp 1st,isit possible?thx ya,appreciate it very much
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QUOTE(Wuakaka @ Apr 23 2008, 01:24 PM)
if after install my 5 inch speaker at side door panel,and oni get an amp,it will make any difference?coz i am planning to put a 2 way or 3 way speaker at the back,wan slowly push up,but no budget now,so put amp 1st,isit possible?thx ya,appreciate it very much
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wuakaka, if u planning to install a cheap set of capalang speakers, i dun think it will be much use with amp, yea maybe slightly better than stock speakers. From my experience, i did big mistake and wasted money by installing lousy speakers up front, a capalang 6.5" midbass + a fake focal tweeter. i recommend u to do a mounting job for 6.5" up front, like i did with my own car, it was 5" originally, just add a piece of wood customised to ur door panel, i think most installers can do dat. For me 5" speakers not enuf kick for me. Unless u r ICE fanatic, get a set of component system up front that cost around rm1000. I saw a few forumer selling branded compo at less than 1k. get a 4ch amp and power the front and rear. If u dun plan to change ur HU, i think any compo system around 500 will do for u, cos HU very important in ICE, a lot of diff. For the rear speakers, i dun recommend u to spend too much on it unless u wanna show off. 3 most important stuffs in setting ur own sound stage, 1st $$$, 2nd A piece of gud HU, amp and front compo sets, lastly a gud installer that will advice u nicely on how to set up a nice system according to ur budget and car. PM me if u wanna know more, will be glad to share info and make new friends, cheers.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Apr 24 2008, 10:46 AM)
wuakaka, if u planning to install a cheap set of capalang speakers, i dun think it will be much use with amp, yea maybe slightly better than stock speakers. From my experience, i did big mistake and wasted money by installing lousy speakers up front, a capalang 6.5" midbass + a fake focal tweeter. i recommend u to do a mounting job for 6.5" up front, like i did with my own car, it was 5" originally, just add a piece of wood customised to ur door panel, i think most installers can do dat. For me 5" speakers not enuf kick for me. Unless u r ICE fanatic, get a set of component system up front that cost around  rm1000. I saw a few forumer selling branded compo at less than 1k. get a 4ch amp and power the front and rear. If u dun plan to change ur HU, i think any compo system around 500 will do for u, cos HU very important in ICE, a lot of diff. For the rear speakers, i dun recommend u to spend too much on it unless u wanna show off. 3 most important stuffs in setting ur own sound stage, 1st $$$, 2nd A piece of gud HU, amp and front compo sets, lastly a gud installer that will advice u nicely on how to set up a nice system according to ur budget and car. PM me if u wanna know more, will be glad to share info and make new friends, cheers.
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im not very interested in heavy ICE setup....
but need a better sound quality then my standard ice system
now im using saga lmst with clarion standard HU....
planning to install caplang component set only, or caplang compinent set with amp.
my question is, can i install my component speaker at back of my car?
coz i dont want to cut my door panel.....
is the position at back of the car can give better sound quality then standard speaker setting???
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nope.... u dunwan the singer singing from the back and not ur front smile.gif i say stick to ur original speaker if ur not cutting ur door and planning to put ur comps @ the back. Alternatively find a component tat fits ur front.
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i think it should not be a prob for me if the singer singing from my back.....
if the bass n mid is ok, it still ok with me........
coz im not heavy fan of ICE setting,
but need a nice n better sound then a standard sound from standard ice in my saga lmst
the standard sound make me really 'sakit telinga'
i just want a little more bass n mid in my ice....

my prob is, is i put component speaker at rear, can i get better sound than my standard, or it will produce a same result(same sound quality)???
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it all depends on ur budget, if u get a rm200 speakers, and rm300 amp, maybe it will sound slightly better but for sure louder.
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another question.......
how to choose correct Watt??
let say, my HU support 200watt (4x50watt)....
so, how many watt must i choose for my component set???
can it support component set with 200 watt???
let say i dont want to use any amp yet(low budget maaa)...........
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if low budget, that's another story d. u will go for a different setup. Look for a speaker set that has hi sensitivity, more than 90dB is gud enough. As for wattage look for one that has less than 100W RMS. This is for ampless setup. But ithink it's not worth it to change cos ur Bose should be doing gud enough. Cos without amp, sound wun be that loud and clear. smile.gif
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i also think so.
erm...... if i buy cheap amp, would it be ok???
what i must consider if want to buy amp????
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i wouldn't suggest cheap amp, cos i've gone thru quite a few cheap amps. Unless u juz wan it loud and dun care about the sound quality, then i think there's a lot of selection.
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im only need some more bass in my car sound system.......
not very hard core into ice.....
so, with limited budget, what amp i can get?
let say my budget is only rm200.

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i would say not to get any amp then. rm200 is too 'much' for ICE tongue.gif

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QUOTE(one0202 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:27 PM)
another question.......
how to choose correct Watt??
let say, my HU support 200watt (4x50watt)....
so, how many watt must i choose for my component set???
can it support component set with 200 watt???
let say i dont want to use any amp yet(low budget maaa)...........
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bro.. 4 x 50W isn't reli what u think it is.. it's rated @ peak so it ain't true.. they r onli providing roughly 26rms W.. that is juz enuff to provide each stock car speakers (tat is u haf 4 pairs).. if u haf pre-out from ur HU, u can add a 4 channel amp that is sufficient to power a pair of component n a woofer..

RM200? installation will use around RM50 n left wif RM150, what do u think u can get along wif? smile.gif walk around, survey around n c what u can get lar.. i'm not sure whats de market like, nowadayz.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:32 AM)
i would say not to get any amp then. it would be worse than ur current bose system. But if u can afford rx-8, why not a mid end ICE. Unless u r boasting la. smile.gif rm200 is too 'much' for ICE tongue.gif
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WHT A statement bro...ahaha.. spend a bit more lar kawan... u will feel life of driving a rx8 more...

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i made a confusion between 2 asker la, this one is not with rx8. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 22 2008, 08:40 AM)
i made a confusion between 2 asker la, this one is not with rx8. tongue.gif
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hehe... so rx7?? tongue.gif
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Saga LMST if not mistaken... smile.gif
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oic...lmst got big boot at the back.. no prob to put twin sub... smile.gif
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okay.. i'm kinda noob here.. jsut say from a stock speakers.. all i have to do.. is to buy a 4 channel amp... 1 woofer and 2 speakers right?? for a standard one??
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if ur using stock speaker, no need to get an amp

If ur on budget, get a component tats driveable by HU, then later on only add amp

If u got money, get matching component and amp together... doing this u can save cost of installation and time...

Cheers
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QUOTE(ggoo @ Jul 1 2008, 12:54 PM)
okay.. i'm kinda noob here.. jsut say from a stock speakers.. all i have to do.. is to buy a 4 channel amp... 1 woofer and 2 speakers right?? for a standard one??
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all of them r standard.. depends on ur budget.. normally ppl don use stock spks wif amp.. if u wanna keep ur budget low, add on a monoblock/2channel amp to power de woofer but de bass will cover all de vocals+music.. and that depends on what stock head unit u haf there..
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QUOTE(mattchin @ Jul 1 2008, 07:58 PM)
all of them r standard.. depends on ur budget.. normally ppl don use stock spks wif amp.. if u wanna keep ur budget low, add on a monoblock/2channel amp to power de woofer but de bass will cover all de vocals+music.. and that depends on what stock head unit u haf there..
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hmmm the hu is jsut a sock also... from myvi.. lol.. myvi has 4 speakers right? so where should i put the woofer?
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for sure u put de woofer @ de back boot place..

get de hi to low converter (if u want, i still haf it tongue.gif).. use four channel to power both speakers n ur woofer.. then later de installer will ask u change this n tat.. so tat depends on u edi.. mostly also HU n front speakers..


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HU is very very important...... smile.gif
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hi.. if i wanna have a woofer do i need to have an amplifier?? just say stock myvi speakers.. then just add woofer inside..
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in most cases u need an amp, except if u use an active sub, it's a sub with built in amp.
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I'm using Pioneer DEH1550 with just one Rear RCA pre-output.

Should i invest in cheap pre-amp or cheap electronic x-over?

Which is better?

Once i use this pre-amp/electronic x-over, do still need to fiddle my Pioneer EQ setting?
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cheap pre amp or x over will most likely lower ur SQ. I had a cheap pre amp last time, but it's no gud and cause aeroplane sound.
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if u plan to install more than 1 amp... yes u need a pre amp.. remember to ground it 9 9... otherwise boeing will fly... tongue.gif
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normally what is it in a component set?? 2 tweeters, 2 crossovers and 2 speakers?? then got woofer not?

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subwoofer none, onli 2 tweets, 2 mid bass and 2 x-over.
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subwoofer none, onli 2 tweets, 2 mid bass and 2 x-over.
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whats a mid bass?? speakers?? then if just say i'm using a stock myvi ... then i change my either 2 rear or 2 front to the mid bass?? am i right? but sometimes i see.. some component comes with a woofer right?
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a component can come in 2 way or 3 way component

2 way - 2 tweets + 2 midbass + 2 passive x-over
3way- an additional midrange

no woofer at all smile.gif
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QUOTE(bafukie @ Jul 9 2008, 10:09 AM)
a component can come in 2 way or 3 way component

2 way - 2 tweets + 2 midbass + 2 passive x-over
3way- an additional midrange

no woofer at all smile.gif
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hmmm whats a midbass?? jut a normal speakers right? and whats a midrange?
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mid bass is a term... same like woofer? or sub woofer? they are still 'speakers' in general.. juz that they play different frequency.
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some ppl refer midbass as 6.5'. Some call it woofer.it's just personal preference but just need to make yourself clear. It's typically a 6 or 5 inches speaker.
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i want to know la.. i wanna upgrade my ICE now.. im sing Rogers Comp for front and MA Audio for rear.. and im using Pioneer DEH-P6850MP..

i plan to add a 4channel amp, 2 channel to tweeter and 2 channel to mid bass.. and let the rear to play as it is tru the HU amp.. ok ka..? can or not?
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Can but it might be a waste if u play active on those sets. smile.gif
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i cant play active i think.. no active crossover for my HU.. i think im stucked in passive setup already.. haha.. can any1 guide me in passive ICE setup.. i know the basic setup but need more detailed help.. as in what other stuff so 1 need like pre-amp, electronic crossover or sumthing else..
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basically passive setup is very simple. juz plug n play. U juz need an amp to power ur passives to get better SQ. some x-overs can let u set the tweeter lvls, depending on ur requirement. Mo need add pre amp and others, electronic x-overs r mostly for active setup.
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owh.. okok.. this is my setup now la..

Alpine MRV-F340 4 chan amp (2 chan tweeter, 2 chan mid bass)
Rogers RG65 front comp set
Pioneer DEH-P6850MP
MA Audio mid bass for rear
Monster cable 4 channel RCA cable

and now i plan get a 2chan amp and a woofer. i not sure which amp i should go for but im aiming for RF punch P1 12" woofer oredy la.
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stratos,

I am using the same component, Rogers RG65. How is the sound before and after u install the amp? wondering if there is huge amount of improvement in SQ (but i suspect u never use the component without amp one)
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i did use it without the amp b4.. the sound really have huge differences.. the Rogers tweeters are good with amp.. without amp its just too sharp/high pitch if u do notice..

The mid bass, produces nice tone with or without amp so tats tat..

B4 and after installation of amp makes huge differences.. definitely different.

Make sure u get the tweeters on the angle, sound staging..

Im using this comp set wiht alpine v12 amps la.. 55Wx4 only..
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i see.. if huge different worth considering to add amp for this nice comp. i must say, it is best value comp that i had heard so far. yeah, the tweet are a bit too sharp.. i set my treble to -2. it will be nice if the amp can improve this

mid bass, is there any huge improvement? i was hoping to get more mid bass out of this comp
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dun expect much from Roger's mid.. in bass factor roger's mid cannot perform well, if ur those who listen to soft songs, classical then its ok.. for a bit trance or techno cannot liau..

im planning to change my front comp set after adding my woofers.. will got for higher end models oredy..
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first of all....
have u all check where is lacking?

alot of people complain here lacking and there lacking

first of all....i would check the current setup
who says roger mids not good? aint saying its bad or good...
factors to consider
what is current high pass and low pass?
have u installed the mid bass correctly?
have u sound proofed the door and how did u do it?
have you checked the phase?

so again...by asking certain portion no point...some hardwares just dont match with each other...but 70% of the time is due to bad tuning and installation

i suggest u guys put down what is ur current system and how it was setup
at least that can point to clearer pictures

just asking bout is this good or is this going to be better...its hard to imagine lor

based on ur previous posting....
stratos...here r my comments

Alpine MRV-F340 4 chan amp (2 chan tweeter, 2 chan mid bass)
Rogers RG65 front comp set
Pioneer DEH-P6850MP
MA Audio mid bass for rear
Monster cable 4 channel RCA cable

this is how i'm going to setup above hardware
1. set HU to pure flat and turn off every feature including EQ, loudness and watever bass/treble enhancement

2. wire channel 1/2 to front comps passive. remove rear speakers

3. sound proof front doors and custom the mdf speaker holders. if got budget go for custom metal ring to hold the mids.

4. change to monster cable rca to something more clean. suggest hisago, wireworld, chord and many other. Monster Cables for sub is good but not front comps.

5. custom make the sub box and i will recommend JL W1V2 which is about RM400. Power requirement is about 150watts. Make sealed box about 1.3cuft to 1.5cuft. after they make the box, use silicon sealent to seal all the joints. make sure no air leakage. can bridge channel 3/4 to whack the subs.

6. put all round 4gauge cables with proper fuses. add caps if u got budget

7. lastly if got budget...change to more powerful amps. i suppose the mrv-340 is about 55watts rms only. u may wanna consider amps like mrv-540 or genesis profile 4 ultra. of coz ultimates like Brax, McIntosh or PHD would be even nicer

am suspecting ur current amp not enough juice to drive all the speakers. one way to go active with adding ext xover or change to better HU like Clarion HX-D2.
the other way is customizing ur own passives...but u hv to check with rta to see the graph first
if i were u...i would maintain HU. get a 2 channel amps for the front...say 120watts to 150watts x 2 channel and get a monoblock for the sub.


Added on August 7, 2008, 12:41 am
QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:44 AM)
some ppl refer midbass as 6.5'. Some call it woofer.it's just personal preference but just need to make yourself clear. It's typically a 6 or 5 inches speaker.
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mid bass refers to a driver that produces somewhere from 4khz to 40hz range. thats y is a combination of mids and bass.
depending on the voice coil, basket, cone material, rubber linings, depth of cone and many factors...that will determine the range played

you can actually check through Scanspeaks, Vifa speakers...each speaker..they will show you the frequency response graph so that people can start matching tweets to complete the range

example

tweets play from 3Khz -12db slope high pass to about 25khz or maybe more
mids play from 3khz -12db slope low pass to about 50hz high pass
to complete the range....u need subwoofer...which carries more surface on the speaker to create very low frequency from 50hz to 20hz range

our ears can sense from 20hz to 20khz...so above is a rough guideline how to achieve full frequency hearing

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@hushymushy.. thanks a lot.. i'm selling off my amp now.. plan to get high Watt amp lor.. 55wx4 really too little oredy..

amp RCA cable now using StreetWires LC series lo.. still cheap cables, saving up for more stuff..
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maybe you can try this old skool amp..
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/ice...-amplifier.html
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phoenix gold amp ar.. i need help in my passive setup lor.. still thinking wanna move to active setup or not..
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would not recommend phoenix gold...nothing to shout about

if i were u...remain on passive
do tuning first....and check through all installation...
if really kenot then only think about upgrading amps...

my recommendation is to go at least Genesis, Audio System or Steg
of coz PHD, Celestra, Brax and etc etc would be even better

i got jalan for Celestra is u wan any...
Italian handcrafted....really clean and smooth amp
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hushy... the M series and the MS series from PG amps are very highly sort after in the US and europe.smile.gif
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noobie here, got a gen-2 cps, not planning to change the blaupunkt HU, any setup to recommend? budget about 1.5k
wat speakers, components or amp or anything..pls help n guide icon_question.gif


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QUOTE(sky1188 @ Aug 21 2008, 02:44 PM)
noobie here, got a gen-2 cps, not planning to change the blaupunkt HU, any setup to recommend? budget about 1.5k
wat speakers, components or amp or anything..pls help n guide  icon_question.gif
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use a amp with a high level input (save budget) or get something like jl cleansweep or rockford 3sixty or audiocontrol lc6/8 which will cost u more than 2k...dun ever use a hi-lo converter sold in acc shop..they are crap...lolz...but for budget wise, it's the cheapest solution for adding amp...

for ur budget of 1.5k, u can get a set of component spk first..then slowly add in other items

can contact me for info if u wish to
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To all sifu around,

Would like to know, is it possible if i bridge a 4ch amp to 2ch for the front speaker and the rear speaker connect directly to the HU.
Ur advice are much appreciated..

Thank u.
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yup...possible
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i got a waja and i just changed my door speakers to some sony ones that costed rm 150.
not that good in bass so i was thinking of changing my rear speakers to something better and bassy.....anything to recommend? i dont wanna fit in a sub woofer due to space i need at the boot.


anyone can recommend somethng good for my rear speakers? i dont have an amp and im using the standard clairon hu
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bro...sorry to say u wont achieve much bcoz HU lack of power to drive speakers properly.

you can try out the Vifa speakers that has built in amps...that will save space!
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ello ICE sifus,

ok. ive been asking around alot for help in ICE. Tried readin the post, but still dun understand bout ICE.

my knowledge in ICE equals to my knowledge in addmaths(zero). I was thinkin of installing an ICE in my car. But i dunno which shop to trust, wat brand to choose, wat to ask, wat to expect, market price etc etc.

So, was hoping u guys can help me in choosing the brands and shop i should go, wat i should install and etc based on my following preference.

1) Budget less than RM1000 (not planning to go hardcore, just wanna put somethin that sounds better than my current myvi stock speakers)

2) Must be reliable and long lasting (dun want no china stuffs, rather pay for wat i get, but not too much, like a mid range brand would be sufficient)

3) Regarding woofer, and amps or channels and etc etc. Nothing fancy/expensive/big woofers, just simple and nice.

4) Also, Was wondering, my brother has this bigass woofer(with 2 speakers), is there anyway i can connect it to my new ICE?


Would appreciate ur help dearly. Have been askin Myvi Forum, they just ask me follow them go install. Aih, dunno wat they wanna install also.
Hope u can enlighten me.


Thx so much! Teh Tarik on me!
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QUOTE(chinesepunk123 @ Sep 5 2008, 02:12 AM)
ello ICE sifus,

ok. ive been asking around alot for help in ICE. Tried readin the post, but still dun understand bout ICE.

my knowledge in ICE equals to my knowledge in addmaths(zero). I was thinkin of installing an ICE in my car. But i dunno which shop to trust, wat brand to choose, wat to ask, wat to expect, market price etc etc.

So, was hoping u guys can help me in choosing the brands and shop i should go, wat i should install and etc based on my following preference.

1) Budget less than RM1000 (not planning to go hardcore, just wanna put somethin that sounds better than my current myvi stock speakers)

2) Must be reliable and long lasting (dun want no china stuffs, rather pay for wat i get, but not too much, like a mid range brand would be sufficient)

3) Regarding woofer, and amps or channels and etc etc. Nothing fancy/expensive/big woofers, just simple and nice.

4) Also, Was wondering, my brother has this bigass woofer(with 2 speakers), is there anyway i can connect it to my new ICE?
Would appreciate ur help dearly. Have been askin Myvi Forum, they just ask me follow them go install. Aih, dunno wat they wanna install also.
Hope u can enlighten me.
Thx so much! Teh Tarik on me!
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1. get a 4 inch pegasus 2way speaker and fit into ur dash - around RM250. find in garage sales

2. 4ch amp. cap ayam v12. rm180 in garage sales

3. 12" woofer - rm290 + box rm100. maybe the eclipse sw4200 in garage sales

4. wiring + install + high to low. rm300


total rm1120 and it probably going to sound like shit shocking.gif

why dont u save more first?

how about use the rm1000 for a better HU like pioneer 6050 or eclipse cd5100 or alpine 9855?

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QUOTE(athlonxp @ Sep 5 2008, 04:26 AM)
1. get a 4 inch pegasus 2way speaker and fit into ur dash - around RM250. find in garage sales

2. 4ch amp. cap ayam v12. rm180 in garage sales

3. 12" woofer - rm290 + box rm100. maybe the eclipse sw4200 in garage sales

4. wiring + install + high to low. rm300
total rm1120 and it probably going to sound like shit  shocking.gif

why dont u save more first?

how about use the rm1000 for a better HU like pioneer 6050 or eclipse cd5100 or alpine 9855?
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wei. then if sound like shit, how to install ehe.

but i think the set up u gimme is definitely better than current stock myvi sound rite? HU improves sound quality?
cos my front dashboard speaker rosak edi. how bro?

install ur setup, or get another HU?

thx!
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QUOTE(chinesepunk123 @ Sep 6 2008, 01:30 AM)
wei. then if sound like shit, how to install ehe.

but i think the set up u gimme is definitely better than current stock myvi sound rite? HU improves sound quality?
cos my front dashboard speaker rosak edi. how bro?

install ur setup, or get another HU?

thx!
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Actually, get a cheap amp, cheap speaker and most important is better than your Myvi stock speaker. Is worth to get it. Besides not everyone are rich to spent more than their budget range and not everyone wanted pure high quality sound system.

Why will there be lower end version of sound system in the market? Is meant to enjoyed by everyone who is seeking a better system than stock does.

Here is my point of view for your Myvi system.

1. 4" 2 way speaker from Soundstream Xstream model roughly rm 150 to rm 200

2. 12" subwoofer range from rm 300 to rm 350. branded like JL Audio, Soundstream,

3. electronic crossover 3 way RM 200 to rm 250

4. wiring kit, 2 pairs of rca cable, fuse box, amp power cabling RM 150

5. Caliber Ca-5000 4 channel Amp get from auction roughly RM 300 ++

Your system should at least better than stock rather commented being sounded like shit. doh.gif
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QUOTE(chinesepunk123 @ Sep 6 2008, 01:30 AM)
wei. then if sound like shit, how to install ehe.

but i think the set up u gimme is definitely better than current stock myvi sound rite? HU improves sound quality?
cos my front dashboard speaker rosak edi. how bro?

install ur setup, or get another HU?

thx!
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almost everything in the market is better than myvi stock speaker. if you not much expectation you can install the 4" 2way speaker and use back ur stock HU. that pegasus i post before do not require much power to run so it is good for stock hu.


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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 6 2008, 01:49 AM)
Actually, get a cheap amp, cheap speaker and most important is better than your Myvi stock speaker. Is worth to get it. Besides not everyone are rich to spent more than their budget range and not everyone wanted pure high quality sound system.

Why will there be lower end version of sound system in the market? Is meant to enjoyed by everyone who is seeking a better system than stock does.

Here is my point of view for your Myvi system.

1. 4" 2 way speaker from Soundstream Xstream model roughly rm 150 to rm 200

2. 12" subwoofer range from rm 300 to rm 350. branded like JL Audio, Soundstream,

3. electronic crossover 3 way RM 200 to rm 250

4. wiring kit, 2 pairs of rca cable, fuse box, amp power cabling RM 150

5. Caliber Ca-5000 4 channel Amp get from auction roughly RM 300 ++

Your system should at least better than stock rather commented being sounded like shit. doh.gif
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1. you can get better than soundstream for that price. i highly recomend pegasus PG425, this is the best money can buy for the price
http://amerion.com.my/items.asp?model=PG425

2. JL authorise reseller personally told me there is no such thing as RM300 JL woofer, all is fake. soundstream avoid it like plague, most probably fake.

3. no need exover la. maybe a preamp will be good


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QUOTE(athlonxp @ Sep 6 2008, 04:11 AM)
almost everything in the market is better than myvi stock speaker. if you not much expectation you can install the 4" 2way speaker and use back ur stock HU. that pegasus i post before do not require much power to run so it is good for stock hu.


Added on September 6, 2008, 4:16 am

1. you can get better than soundstream for that price. i highly recomend pegasus PG425, this is the best money can buy for the price
http://amerion.com.my/items.asp?model=PG425

2. JL authorise reseller personally told me there is no such thing as RM300 JL woofer, all is fake. soundstream avoid it like plague, most probably fake.

3. no need exover la. maybe a preamp will be good
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Then those soundstream barring with MAT sticker at low price is fake then?

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some item memang is ori but like tat 1 price, i mean cheap.. got ori sticker on it also.. so hard to say.. make sure u test and hear, if ur happy with the sound then buy it, if not then no need buy it lo.. if u think the sound produced is worth all the money u pay for then why not..~
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Then those soundstream barring with MAT sticker at low price is fake then?
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let put it this way. for today's soundstream, ori or fake also sound like shit. get it?
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thx athlonxp and jimmylim for ur advises.

hmm sound like shit, but i dun want like very good quality. a mediocre good sound system would please me veryyy much already.

4" 2way speaker- this speaker can diy install?

Thx for all ur info above, was wondering, if i head to an audio shop, will i be able to get the stuffs above at that price? or only at auctions? do u guys have any shops to recommend?

Or, any1 of u free to do? belanja yumcha or pay workmanship to u guys lar. Dun reli trust audio accesories shops.

btw, any of u guys ere installed sth similar to the set up above b4?would like to sample it.

sry for the mouthful of words, but thx for ur replies. deeply appreciated
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QUOTE(chinesepunk123 @ Sep 7 2008, 07:01 AM)
thx athlonxp and jimmylim for ur advises.

hmm sound like shit, but i dun want like very good quality. a mediocre good sound system would please me veryyy much already.

4" 2way speaker- this speaker can diy install?

Thx for all ur info above, was wondering, if i head to an audio shop, will i be able to get the stuffs above at that price? or only at auctions? do u guys have any shops to recommend?

Or, any1 of u free to do? belanja yumcha or pay workmanship to u guys lar. Dun reli trust audio accesories shops.

btw, any of u guys ere installed sth similar to the set up above b4?would like to sample it.

sry for the mouthful of words, but thx for ur replies. deeply appreciated
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is advisable to seek ICE shop for installation. You need to know how to remove the front dashboard speaker grill to replace the 4" speaker.

More ideal would be installing a component speaker for your front sound speaker. Get a component set with tweeter and crossover. Size will be 6.5" to enjoy good music because 4" 2 way and 6.5" component set is not much different in price. Install the tweeter in your 4" speaker space while the 6.5" mid bass at your door with custom made speaker bracket.

Then you won't felt shitty sound system as the high (voice) can hear singing in front of you while the mid at your side. But this setup is more like a sound staging.
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hello sifu here.

I am noobie in ICE
I just installing some ICE after persuaded by the sales person, dunno good or not.
Can give me some opinion of my setup?

Case 1
Current setting
HU -Sony HV cdx-GT470ub
Front panel - Macrom 6" M3S.61 (with tweeter)
Car - Saga

the sales person ask me to forget about the rear speaker and go for amp. and sub-woofer.
Besides this , my relative agree to give me the old set of amp and sub.
Not many I knoe before i get the thing at next tuesday.
what I know is as below:-

1 sub-woofer dual
2 pcs amp...brand , channel and power still dunno
1 crossover

Case 2
my question is here, if I installing these ICE do I need install crossover as well coz my HU already have the preout for sub and low,mid and high?

I already ask the sales person,he agreed to install the amp for me.
He said need 2 set of amp wire , 2 set of speaker wire and 1 fuse ,is there anymore and what is the normal market price tfor installing it?



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QUOTE(mattchin @ Jul 1 2008, 07:58 PM)
all of them r standard.. depends on ur budget.. normally ppl don use stock spks wif amp.. if u wanna keep ur budget low, add on a monoblock/2channel amp to power de woofer but de bass will cover all de vocals+music.. and that depends on what stock head unit u haf there..
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i do using stock speaker ( wira se ) + 4 channel amp(but just use 2 channel oni due to my budget) + pre-amp + an old skull sony cdx V-7800 vcd+mp3 (6 years old services ) player and support more from sony Hi-Fi speaker box(home stock) he he he...budget ICE . and i DIY it self to save more budget,so to RE-assemble the wiring system from battery to power amp ( put d amp behind rear passanger seat ) ,the wire cost just cost me about rm 88,and for me it quit enough for that stock speaker,for me....

i'm just changed d amp loc from under passanger seat into trunk bonnet because my child always kick that amp before,and now it safe to stay in the trunk...

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Hi, i want to make enquiry whether can i bridge 4 channel amp to power up 2 subwoofer??any disadvantages??
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u r going for SQ or SPL setup? if SPL, it doesn't matter cos it's all about power, if SQ it's gonna sound a lil murky(not clean) cos of extra distortion when in bridged mode.
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Hello guys. Have read every post there is in all 8 pages so far. And found a lot of information. I was and still am a complete newbie at ICE. So please be patient with me and explain pls.. I would really appreciate it. ckmoy007 has been very helpful explaining in another thread. So here is my questions..

1) I currently have some lower end speakers hooked up at the rear of my car..
2) I will purchase a component set.. Maybe JBL Is this ok guys? Install tweeters on dash, mid bass on side panels at door.. If JBL ok pls recommend model/models and tell me why.. and what to look for when selecting.. also 5 and 1/2 or 6 1/2 inch? How to choose? Any can? Or I have to see size at my door panel??
3) My bro giving me one subwoofer... 12 inch.. I will just use his put in trunk
4) I need advise on AMP pls. Do not want something too expensive.. Maybe up to 500-600? JBL? Sony? Advice pls.
5) Now.. if i get a 4 channel amp.. do i connect to tweeter, connect to mid bass, connect to rear speakers, and to woofer.. ? Or is 1 channel to connect to HU? Or do i need 2 Amps? A bit confused at this part.
6) Right now using some cheap unknown brand cd player with remote i picked up at brothers. I have just only read about how important HU is. So Im thinking I will leave the replacement of HU for last? is this ok? Or is it necessary to change now..
7) Please do tell me if the JBL sets i listed for component is good.. and also.. advice me on amp and HU.. on what brand to get perhaps...

Finally.. how much should my budget be? Im quite tight at the moment.. and new to ICE so i do not want to over do it.. Just something to listen to my electronica and r&b smile.gif

Edit: Found out on JBL/Infinity website that linked me to some site to check what size speakers fit. Says 4" Back and front. So means im just restricted to these for front? How to know what will fit well.

JBL GTO-427 4" 2-Way Speaker
JBL CS-2104 4" 2-Way Speaker
Infinity Ref-4022i 4" 2-Way Speaker

Whts the best frm this?

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2) JBL is ok, u can either go for GTO or GT5 series cos they suit ur budget. as for size, it depends on ur door panel, if u wan oversize, gotta do a spacer to house the midbass.
3) u need to check wat is the rms of the sub, not max power. how to check rms? ask ur bro, or check in internet for the model.
4) there r ppl in this forum who sells in set, might get cheaper from them. As for amp and speaker selection, i wrote a list down this post for u to choose from... we will discuss bout it later.
5) if u get a 4ch and under tight budget, 2 channel used for front through passive crossover and 2 ch bridged for rear sub. the rear speaker leave it to powered by HU. amp don't give output to HU, it's onli input from HU. output is all to speakers / sub. of course better if can get 2 amps but ur budget will have to jack up higher.
6) it's not necessary to change HU now, cos it's useless to change to rm300+ HU. Try to save up more and get a better one in the future.





some reference to all ICE lovers with limited budget (<3k):
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/694244 (Audio Component Package)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/695900 (HU)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/737612 (HU)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/665525 (Rainbow comp set)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/737605 (amp)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/834537 (crunch)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/610005 (Infinity Ref comp set)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/440871 (JBL Set)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/825406 (subs&amp)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/353140 (Magnat)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/764586 (sub)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/831610 (JVC MP3 HU)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/606915 (Pioneer HU)

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post Nov 21 2008, 12:05 AM

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hi thanks for the quick reply. i will definitely check out on the rms for the sub.. since only 4" allowed on my car.. (checked).. I think ill go for 4" component for front.. My car is Volvo 240 GL
Choices:
JBL GTO-427 4" 2-Way Speaker
JBL CS-2104 4" 2-Way Speaker
Infinity Ref-4022i 4" 2-Way Speaker

What u explained made a lot of sense so i think 4 channel amp is sufficient.. and if I have extra money at the end.. I will get one of the pioneer HU you have posted in the last link.
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post Nov 21 2008, 01:40 AM

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no prob, if u r going to use those coaxials and not components system, it might be a waste to buy amp. buy an amp onli if u planning to use a set of comps, if not just get a monoblock for ur sub. try to make a spacer for the doors to fit 6.5" comps. but the final decision is alwez up to u. smile.gif
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post Nov 21 2008, 10:00 AM

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comps can only get in 6.5? are there comp sets for 4 inch? Well as im new I thought what I listed above was component sets tongue.gif
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post Nov 21 2008, 02:36 PM

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component usually come with a pair of box-like passive crossovers. they come in various sizes, but if u use 4", u will lack of mid bass. ur system will sound like something is missing in between.
a 2-way component set shud look something like this, 1 pair of tweeters, 1 pair of midbass and 1 pair of passive x-overs.
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post Nov 21 2008, 02:39 PM

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So I guess to enrich the sound I will definitely need to cut and widen the door panel?
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post Nov 21 2008, 02:44 PM

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depends on the midbass magnet's size, if it can go through ur 4" door panel hole, then u just need a spacer to increase height. just bring the speakers to the installer and he will advice u wat to do.
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post Nov 21 2008, 02:54 PM

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what kinda shop do u recommend to install? thinking of buying set here from lowyat forums.. If i take to some normal mechanic shop.. they may not know what to do professionally..
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post Nov 21 2008, 03:03 PM

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i dunno, try looking around in ur area, go ask for quotation. go to those shops which sells mainly car audio products, they will know wat to do. where do u live btw? if KL, there is KF audio and Lau Stereo but they r a lil expensive. for ur speaker's installation, it does not need hi expertise.

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post Nov 21 2008, 03:13 PM

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KL bro. only thing im worried is.. about the bigger sized component speakers for the front door.. I dont know much about these.. if I get bigger size will they compromise the space there? or will it look the same.. with just bigger speakers.. but I will do as u said and go to accessory shops..

some say if cut.. it will look ugly.. coz when they cut they put wood or plastic there??

this is the last piece of the puzzle for me. will it look ugly if i cut and fix 6.5" or is it better for me to put something that will fit there 4" ...

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post Nov 21 2008, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(msian @ Nov 21 2008, 11:13 AM)
KL bro. only thing im worried is.. about the bigger sized component speakers for the front door.. I dont know much about these.. if I get bigger size will they compromise the space there? or will it look the same.. with just bigger speakers.. but I will do as u said and go to accessory shops..

some say if cut.. it will look ugly.. coz when they cut they put wood or plastic there??

this is the last piece of the puzzle for me. will it look ugly if i cut and fix 6.5" or is it better for me to put something that will fit there 4" ...
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no la, if workmanship gud, it won't look ugly, they will match it with ur door. it appears to be a bulge of 2 inches at the door. it won't interfere with ur driving. usually they use MDF wood. those more customised ones use carbon fibre panel. just go to the shop and ask how does it look like or any mods need to be done.
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hmm guess so.. must also examine the depth of the speakers though.. never looked at that yet. looks like i have to go fishing for suggestions and talk to accessory shop..
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 23 2008, 04:18 PM)
u r going for SQ or SPL setup? if SPL, it doesn't matter cos it's all about power, if SQ it's gonna sound a lil murky(not clean) cos of extra distortion when in bridged mode.
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when u say bridged, what does it mean? apart from bridge, what other way there is? can u pls explain these to me?
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post Nov 27 2008, 09:14 PM

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bridging is connecting 2 channel making it into 1 single channel for more power. look at the first page of this thread for more info about bridge.
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post Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM

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Hi ICE Gods,

Need your advice on some ICE stuffs. I have finally decided to upgrade my stock Waja sound system. Have lots of things in mind but am working on a budget and have decided that I would take it step by step. So now, I would need the ICE Gods out there to help me out in my journey to ICE-land... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif ...

1- I have decided on changing my head unit to an DVD 2-din player. Its an 2nd hand unit but but used only for abt 2mnths+. Is this a wise 1st move, changing the HU 1st? hmm.gif

2- After going through the net I have found that there is this amp 'KENKO KK-1000' & 'KOLE AUDIO QBE-4000' 4 Channel 4000watts amps up for sale at abt RM300+. Would this be an wise decision to buy? hmm.gif

3- Considering, I change the HU first to the DVD 2-Din Player, what should be my next move? Comp set? Amps?

4- I'm not planning to change the whole ICE set in my car at the moment, I wanna do it 1 by 1. Please advice on the right steps to take. Eg: Change the HU first then go on with an good comp set and etc... hmm.gif

5- What I have in mind at the moment for my Waja's ICE System is:
- 2 Din DVD Player
- Pre-Amp
- 4 Channel 4000watts Amp
- Component Set (Front)
- 2-Way or Comp Set or maintain current stock speakers (Back)
- Either 2 x 10" or 2 x 12" Subs + Monoblock

Is this set-up good enough for WAJA? rclxub.gif Any recommendations from others? I'm planning to change the HU to the 2-Din DVD Player mid this month and go on from then on to change 1 by 1 the others. Planning about RM300-RM500 for each items. Please help me out. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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hi guys, do u all really recommend putting speakers on/in ur front door panel? some time ago i put a decent (cant remember brand...) speaker there, sometime later, the one on driver side kaput already. i think due to the more door close/banging on driver side. so sad. since then i just get cap ayam 4" to replace the speakers, n put inside my dash. me driving wira
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post Dec 20 2008, 02:26 AM

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actually speakers can be put in many places, just see if it looks nice there or not onli. i've been banging my door(old car) for years and nothing is wrong so far.
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what if i use head unit 4 channel but my amp 2 channel. i have a woofer and 1 set component. i want to buy another set component. how does the installation?

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post Jan 1 2009, 02:00 AM

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actually the rear no need component set, it's a waste of money. just stock speaker will do.
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post Jan 4 2009, 07:45 PM

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stock speaker? throw is away
just use front comps and 1 sub...kautim
y shops say not nice....coz dunno how to tune lor

ckmoy, cables and rcas not sure ar?
go for XLO lor
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post Jan 4 2009, 08:04 PM

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u mean monster cables, quite expensive right? dunno, but most probably i will go for these brands, stinger, DLS, DAXX and tchernov audio.
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post Jan 4 2009, 09:34 PM

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XLO is not Monster Cables

stinger also not cheap mer
try chord or wireworld or audioquest...also good
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post Jan 4 2009, 10:12 PM

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wireworld too exp for me. i'm looking for klotz clarity 5000. got an offer for stinger sx17 expert series for rm100 new, oso bought a 1F stinger cap w/o voltmeter for rm70 used 1yr, lol... cheap or not?
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just want to ask....
what the function of relay??????
FYI...... i just install pioneer 4050 into my car,........
and the installer person said must put relay with my HU to protect my HU......
is it true?????
he quot me around rm30-40 for the relay...
and i dont know the function......
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post Jan 12 2009, 11:01 AM

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in this case, to protect ur HU from power surge esp. when u turn on engine. just like UPS for coms.
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post Jan 13 2009, 08:25 AM

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A standard fuse is more than good to protect this power surge issue. It's a waste of money. Your installer is trying to 'korek' from u especially in this CNY season.
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is it true???
hahaha.........i 'kena korek' this time
actually before go to install my HU,
my frend also said must put relay....
that why i agree to put relay.....
and, my frend also a noob one......
my fault la, asking noob about ICE......
must ask sifu2 here la next time.....
but now, my HU got double protection laa.....hehehe
anyway, thankx

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post Jan 14 2009, 12:32 AM

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can i play active without an amp? sorry if the question is simply stupid. lol..
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post Jan 14 2009, 12:42 AM

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haha, a system without bass then. no HU can power a sub, maybe u can have the proc. functions but i really doubt it will give u a clear and nice sound. so the verdict is no... must be with amp.
actually if we think properly, our stock system oso direct from HU to speakers, do we call it active system? i really doubt it.
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ooo ya la. so stupid of me.
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bro, need some advice

recently i bought 3050ub + type s alpine component + 4 channel prospec amp ps4.60(1600watts) + mohawk 12'woofer ms124

the question is
1) Izzit normal to use 2 channel on front and rear speaker?
2)izzit better to focus the 2 channel onto my component and the rear take it out?
3) since i use 2 channel for front and rear and 2 more for my woofer, would it be advisable to get another 2 channel amp for my woofer and the 4 channel amp for the front only?

i still new in ICE and all equipment above are based on my budget
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i assume dat u r going to setup ur system 4 going loud, would recommend u to use the 4 channel for front and rear, and get another monoblock or 2ch amp for ur sub.
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someone help me with this, how much do normal ICE shops charge for installation of a HU? just a simple HU, nothing fancy.
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usually if u buy the HU from them, the price they charge includes the installation charges. but if u dont buy from them but simply ask them to install it for u, it should be 10 bucks.
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wow 10 bucks only? so cheap?

my friend bought a brand new HU from brother's last week and was charged an additional rm30 for installation charges. did he get ripped off or is that just brother's?


Added on January 29, 2009, 12:36 pmcan anyone suggest a shop for me to install my hu? somewhere around ss14/19/15 subang jaya.. thanks

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QUOTE(e30 @ Jan 29 2009, 12:35 PM)
wow 10 bucks only? so cheap?

my friend bought a brand new HU from brother's last week and was charged an additional rm30 for installation charges. did he get ripped off or is that just brother's?


no comments on this. never been to brothers. but i think he was conned.

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Added on January 29, 2009, 12:36 pmcan anyone suggest a shop for me to install my hu? somewhere around ss14/19/15 subang jaya.. thanks
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installing a HU is quite simple. so, i think it is safe to say that any accessories shop should do. i am not from subang jaya, so i cant recommend any. but any shop will do.
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depends on HU and workmanship
good installers prolly charge rm30 and above
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jan 21 2009, 12:55 AM)
i assume dat u r going to setup ur system 4 going loud, would recommend u to use the 4 channel for front and rear, and get another monoblock or 2ch amp for ur sub.
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QUOTE(KidsCode @ Sep 20 2006, 11:01 AM)
One single 4-ohm voice coil sub
The right type of amp to use
This is a perfect place for a two-channel amp. By bridging the output of the amp, you'll get lots of power for a relatively low cost. Avoid using a mono amp here - they work best at a lower impedance than 4 ohms.
ckmoy007,
Just need some clarification, as per advise by KidsCode, it says mono amp not suitable with One single 4-ohm voice coil sub. Is it true? if yes I need to change plan liao. biggrin.gif
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no la, it's just about power matching. meaning like a 2ch amp (2x100w rms @ 4ohm, 2x200w @ 2ohm), when bridged might get example, 400w rms @ 4ohm. while a monoblock, take an example, DLS Ultimate A6, it produces ~500w rms@4ohm, 780@2ohm and 1200@1ohm. i think in most cases, a 2ch amp will be cheaper than a monoblock, see the logic there? 2ch to power a single voice coil @ 4 ohm is a cheaper way, not to say monoblock can't do the job. just that monoblock is designed to handle low ohm and more power, so ppl might think it's a waste to use a monoblock @ 4ohm.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Mar 14 2009, 04:01 AM)
no la, it's just about power matching. meaning like a 2ch amp (2x100w rms @ 4ohm, 2x200w @ 2ohm), when bridged might get example, 400w rms @ 4ohm. while a monoblock, take an example, DLS Ultimate A6, it produces ~500w rms@4ohm, 780@2ohm and 1200@1ohm. i think in most cases, a 2ch amp will be cheaper than a monoblock, see the logic there? 2ch to power a single voice coil @ 4 ohm is a cheaper way, not to say monoblock can't do the job. just that monoblock is designed to handle low ohm and more power, so ppl might think it's a waste to use a monoblock @ 4ohm.
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I know those format, but only that quote make me confuse again.
So sound produce no difference rite? only the $$$ tongue.gif
Which type will you invest?in long run, 2 channel or Monoblock?
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sound produced might be different, 2ch is class AB while monoblock are mostly class D, altho some are class AB like DLS A6. some says there are noticeable difference in SQ, provided if u have a gud system, or else u will onli hear bass and no difference. if u r using entry lvl setup, a 2ch will be sufficient for a SVC 4ohm sub.
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Hi Sifu, I'm planning to get a component set whic are rated at 60W RMS @ 4 ohms and an Amp which is rated at 4 x 65W @ 4 ohms.

Please advise whether the amp's power is enough for the component set.

How if I get a component set rate at 120 RMS and bridge the amp's 4 channels to 2 channels to power this?
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dun see any problem in that.
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post Mar 31 2009, 07:13 PM

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Thanks ckmoy007. I'm a newbie in ICE, so i'm planning to set up ICE for SQ for the moment. Hopefully you can give some comment on this setup.

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bro... for sure it will b focal... but r u sure it's ORI?? n so as de soundstream?
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I try to get these items in this forum, I think it should be ori. However, I will try to study more before COD.

I'll be appreciate if sifu here can give some advise how to recognise the ori.
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bro...

no 2 here can guarantee items sold by forummer is ori... so as the forummer here also it won't if it's ori o not.. if u reli reli reli interested to get a good n ori pair, highly suggest u go to a reputable ICE shop... they are experienced and by juz touching de cone, they'll know...

fyi, there are a few brands which is localized produced good SQ speakers... they sound better than those entry level branded stuff and some even get good comment for ICE competition... but the onli problem that u may face is that u can't accept the brand and also de design... juz like me.. hahaha biggrin.gif

i was choosing between this brand named (new)PEGASUS and (used)DYNAUDIO... PEGASUS has better quality interms of sound and DYNAUDIO was so so bcz lack of mid bass.. in de end, i choose DYNAUDIO bcz the name of DYNAUDIO which i dream since i was in high school... hahaha biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Dynaudio lacks of midbass? seems like it's ur amp or installation problem? shud be able to play from 60Hz without any problem.


Added on April 1, 2009, 5:53 pm
QUOTE(dynasty88 @ Apr 1 2009, 05:42 AM)
I try to get these items in this forum, I think it should be ori. However, I will try to study more before COD.

I'll be appreciate if sifu here can give some advise how to recognise the ori.
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mind to tell us who are u getting these stuffs from? cos there are some that alwez sell fake stuffs. smile.gif just pm me.

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no problem wif anything... juz tat b4 i'm on a 3 way component... so changing back to 2 way makes something missing at de mid...
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wanna ask (as i m newbie in ICE)
i read the diagram
all the diagram showing that there is only one set of component

if i installed one set at the front

so

how about the rear??
put it empty??
or wat to put in??

is it possible a 2 channel amp can power 2 set component???
actually i plan to install 2 sets component
but some one saying u will hear 2 sound
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u can put the pairs of component... but scared ur 2 channel amp tak power...

so better get a 4 channel amp to handle 2 sets of components...

if ur rear speakers aren't power hungry and still u want some sound for the rear passengers, u may wanna think to power it ur headunit..
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SQ wise, it's not advisable to put a speaker at the rear cos it will disturb the front's imaging. unless u can tune the rear speakers to a level where it's not audible to the front then ok.
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ok thanks for the advice

currently wat i have is
1. mohawk 2 ch amp donno wat model i think is 700.2 some thing like this (to push 10" woofer x 2)
2. mohawk 6" x 9" 3 way speaker
3. pioner HU donno wat model already (last time buy at RM 500++)
4. 2nos of 10" mohawk woofer

now i had changed car and wanna put it in

how should i set it up???
because i only have lowbudget for ICE

actually wat i plan is (plan A)
1. the old amp used to push one 10" woofer (one is enough for me the other one take out - change box)
2. 2 new lowbudget component sets (about RM300 a set)
3. one new 4 chanel amp to push 2 new component sets


(Plan B)
1.the old amp used to push one 10" woofer (one is enough for me the other one take out - change box)
2. 1 new component set for front (about RM300 a set)
3. old 6" x 9" speaker for rear (plant to cut off the tweeter - remain the bass sound enough)
4. A 4 or 2 ch amp for the component set and 6" x 9" speaker

i think the plan B is cheaper

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my suggestion plan C:
1.the old amp used to push one 10" woofer (one is enough for me the other one take out - change box)
2.1 used comp set around RM500
3.rear leave empty or use HU to power stock speaker. if put 6x9 will cancel off the bass of ur woofer.
4.a used ~RM500 2 channel amp for the front.
5.sell off 1 of the woofer and the 6x9 to get more money for ur project.

last question, wats ur preference? SQ or SPL? and ur total budget is?
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actually i donno wat is SQ or SPL

my budget is RM 700 only

can i buy something like this
http://www.mudah.my/vi/3021730.htm?ca=9_s
??
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SQ = Sound Quality, SPL = Sound Pressure Level.
SQ is u like to listen to nice music while SPL is for everyone to hear, the boom boom style. to make it simple, SQ is Quality, SPL is Quantity.
rm700... u can get that GTO but u won't have spare cash to get an amp for it. for rm700, i think u can ask zennn to help u find a focal access.
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yup, just use the 700 for the focal access and run it from the HU first. then start saving up for a decent 2ch amp for the focals for next upgrade.
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can i used the a mohawk 2ch amp to push
a set of component sets and 1no. 10" woofer together??

how the wiring will be??

bridge to push 10"
and +- +- to component??
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yup, but u risk damaging the amp or the speakers
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Hi,

From what i gather from the sifus

Currently i'm using a pioneer HU which has 2 RCA pre outs and a component set.

I'm planning to get a 4 channel amp and a woofer.

I understand that the usual set up is 2 channels for the component set and 2 channels bridged for the woofer.

Does this mean that the rear speakers will have to be blanked out?

or is it ok to power it with the HU. Will it sound weird coz i get the impression that once the woofer is installed, just kill off the rear speakers coz it won't sound nice. But i guess any rear passengers will then only feel the woofer.
Can it still work?

Also the guy at the shop did mention 2 RCA will give a fader option for front n back. Not sure he meant fader between the front and rear speakers or fader between the front and woofer. Can anyone clarify?

he also said my panel speakers which i think is 5 inch is a bit too small for any difference but suggested to install the amp and upgrade later. But i think having an amp should provide significant audio clarity even if it's just 5 inches....what do u guys think?

Alternately, he did also suggest just getting a 2 channel amp to just power the woofer and let the HU power the components(he hinted not much diffrence if power the components) since its running on 5 inch speakers, but i suspect it might be unbalanced. Anyway, it's better to have an option for upgrades right?
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Hi to all sifus here,
I'm from Miri, Sarawak here and I plan to upgrade my Hyundai Atos (noob car:() ICE. Recently I went to one shop here and the people there quote me a JBL GTO series component with JBL GT5-12 woofer and a Marriola amp. Is this worth it? Sorry i'm a newbie here. Any comments will be appreciated.
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QUOTE(jason_roag @ May 13 2009, 12:12 AM)
Hi,
From what i gather from the sifus
Currently i'm using a pioneer HU which has 2 RCA pre outs and a component set.
I'm planning to get a 4 channel amp and a woofer.
I understand that the usual set up is 2 channels for the component set and 2 channels bridged for the woofer.
Does this mean that the rear speakers will have to be blanked out?

or is it ok to power it with the HU. Will it sound weird coz i get the impression that once the woofer is installed, just kill off the rear speakers coz it won't sound nice. But i guess any rear passengers will then only feel the woofer.
Can it still work?
good SQ systems usually dont even have any rear speakers. if u feel u need to, then powering it up with the HU is the better choice. in good systems, rear passengers will also hear the front components.

QUOTE(jason_roag @ May 13 2009, 12:12 AM)
Also the guy at the shop did mention 2 RCA will give a fader option for front n back. Not sure he meant fader between the front and rear speakers or fader between the front and woofer. Can anyone clarify?
for fronts + sub, since rear pre out is used for sub now.

QUOTE(jason_roag @ May 13 2009, 12:12 AM)
he also said my panel speakers which i think is 5 inch is a bit too small for any difference but suggested to install the amp and upgrade later. But i think having an amp should provide significant audio clarity even if it's just 5 inches....what do u guys think?

Alternately, he did also suggest just getting a 2 channel amp to just power the woofer and let the HU power the components(he hinted not much diffrence if power the components) since its running on 5 inch speakers, but i suspect it might be unbalanced. Anyway, it's better to have an option for upgrades right?
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are your 5 inch speakers from a component set, or are they OEM speakers? usually first upgrade would be changing oem speakers to components, then only adding amp and sub. if theyre oem speakers having them powered by the amp could kill it, make sure the gain level is low.


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QUOTE(initial.craig @ May 13 2009, 12:27 AM)
Hi to all sifus here,
I'm from Miri, Sarawak here and I plan to upgrade my Hyundai Atos (noob car:() ICE. Recently I went to one shop here and the people there quote me a JBL GTO series component with JBL GT5-12 woofer and a Marriola amp. Is this worth it? Sorry i'm a newbie here. Any comments will be appreciated.
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neve h eard of mariola amp before, like mazola cooking oil je, hehe...

why not get jbl amp to complete the set?

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QUOTE(zennn @ May 13 2009, 04:24 PM)
neve h eard of mariola amp before, like mazola cooking oil je, hehe...

why not get jbl amp to complete the set?
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because this is all together in one set for RM880, JBL amp for now too exp for me le.. sad.gif thinking of using this amp first then save up to change for better amp lo.. is that ok?

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QUOTE(zennn @ May 13 2009, 04:24 PM)
good SQ systems usually dont even have any rear speakers.  if u feel u need to, then powering it up with the HU is the better choice.  in good systems, rear passengers will also hear the front components.
for fronts + sub, since rear pre out is used for sub now.
are your 5 inch speakers from a component set, or are they OEM speakers?  usually first upgrade would be changing oem speakers to components, then only adding amp and sub.  if theyre oem speakers having them powered by the amp could kill it, make sure the gain level is low.


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neve h eard of mariola amp before, like mazola cooking oil je, hehe...

why not get jbl amp to complete the set?
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it's not OEM speakers. As it's a 2nd hand car, the previous owner had it set up. Is 5 inch speakers too small for any noticable difference?
I think the amp will still make a difference in terms of improving the signal.

For sub woofer size and selection, what is the usual do's and dont's?

Would keeping the rear speakers spoil the sound balance? Some opinion states the rear speakers do not play any good role once the component and sub is set up.

thanks bro.
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QUOTE(initial.craig @ May 13 2009, 05:33 PM)
because this is all together in one set for RM880, JBL amp for now too exp for me le.. sad.gif thinking of using this amp first then save up to change for better amp lo.. is that ok?
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why not skip the mariola amp, power using HU first. save up for a gud amp straight. no need to waste money on the cap ayam amp. if u buy it, most prolly after u get ur better amp, it will rust in the store room unless u selling it for rm50 or less, lol. no offense bro. just a piece of advice.


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it's not OEM speakers. As it's a 2nd hand car, the previous owner had it set up. Is 5 inch speakers too small for any noticable difference?
I think the amp will still make a difference in terms of improving the signal.

For sub woofer size and selection, what is the usual do's and dont's?

Would keeping the rear speakers spoil the sound balance? Some opinion states the rear speakers do not play any good role once the component and sub is set up.

thanks bro.
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imho, adding an amp will still make difference. for sub selection, in ur case is the power and ohm matching with the amp. if u plan to use the 4ch amp bridged for it, i would suggest a Single Voice Coil(SVC) 4 ohm sub dat rated almost the same as the output of ur amp. e.g. amp(4x50W rms @ 4ohm, 2x200W@ 4ohm bridged), i would suggest a 250W rms or less SVC sub. 10" or 12" depending on ur need and space available in ur boot la.

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ May 14 2009, 03:27 AM)
why not skip the mariola amp, power using HU first. save up for a gud amp straight. no need to waste money on the cap ayam amp. if u buy it, most prolly after u get ur better amp, it will rust in the store room unless u selling it for rm50 or less, lol. no offense bro. just a piece of advice.
erm, no no... what I meant is i bought the component for RM880, and I get one JBL GT5 subwoofer with enclosure and one Mariolla 2 channel amp for the subwoofer, so means that the amp is erm, for free actually tongue.gif sorry, i didn't say clearly before. I would like to ask is the JBL ori? I mean for this price. Comments are welcomed notworthy.gif ..
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oic, 880 for the comp alone? i think it's a little overpriced. perhaps u can consider my boston acoustics. confirm tak kalah the GTO, at least when i bought it, compared with alpine type R and DLS R6A and i chose this at last. if 880 including the sub and box then it's worth it la. ori or not, of course i can't tell u. if the shop is selling genuine products i.e. authorized dealer, then shud not be a problem.
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Need advice from PRO pls.
I got 1 pegasus 4 chn wif spec : 4 ohm Stereo: 50W X 4, 2 ohm Stereo: 75W X 4, 4 ohm Mono: 150W X 2.
And I got 1 pegasus component set wif spec : 70 Watts RMS, 140 Watts Peak.
If I bridge the amp to 2chn which 150W X 2 to play the component set, will it overpush the component set or any better setup can be made.
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bridging is not a good thing thou overwhelming power means more control of the speakers.. bear in mind that after bridging, ur THD will go up.. (THD=total harmonic distortion) then u may loss sound quality..
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Bridging will loss sound quality but if I use a amp wif 50rms x 2 to play my 70rms component set is a waste of my speaker?
Usually they say use the amp which more rms than the speaker, is this correct?
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depends on the quality of the amp and style of listening. i've known ppl using a 2 x 30W rms amp to power a 220W rms tweeter, and it doesn't sound bad. but on the other hand, powering the midbass and sub will need adequate power to perform at its max. so it also depends on ur application. but from my experience, 50W rms is quite enuf for a 70W rms speaker. unless u playing SPL, for normal listening 50W rms is gud enuf d.
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Sifu, if i using this 4chn amp to play 1 set component set and 1 subwoofer. should i use dual 2ohm or dual 4ohm subwoofer which with 350rms? the details of the amp as below:
SOUNDSTREAM PCX4.540 PICASSO SERIES 4 Channel Amplifier


•No. of channel: 4Channel
•RMS @ 4 ohm: 80W x 4
•RMS @ 2 ohm: 135W x 4
•RMS @ 4 ohm mono: 270W x 2
•THD: 0.10%
•FREQ. response (Hz): 10 – 35k
•S/N ratio: >95
•Damping factor: >200
•Input Sensitivity: 200mV-8V
•Crossover slopes: 12dB
•Low pass filter (Hz): 50 – 150
•High pass filter (Hz): 50 – 500
•Bass boost (60Hz fixed): 0 – 18dB
•Phase (degree): 0 – 180
•Fuse: 20A x 1
•Dimensions: 19.4” x 2.5” x 10”
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of course dual 2ohm.

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for a 4ch amp to run sub, make sure sub is single voice coil 4ohm, or a dual voice coil 2 ohm wired in series (4ohm load), this is bcoz most 4ch amp are only stable to 4ohm when bridged mono.
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Sifu-Sifu,
In case, my HU have only 2 pre-out. I got 1 electronic crossover, 4 channel amp, monoblock amp, 1 component set, 1 subwoofer. How should I connect them? I thinking to use the 4 channel amp which 2 channel for mid-bass and 2 channel for tweeter ( not using the crossover included at component set ).
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can, provided the electronic crossover can cross at frequencies high enough for the tweeter..
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For 2 channel amp with the same brand and same spec, which class should I choose to play my component sets at front? AB or D? What the differences between them?
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for front usually class AB amp. Class D amp usually for subs, since they cant play frequencies more than 200hz.

difference is them is just their design, not which is better than the other.

its not like in school last time, if clever go class A, stupid go class D

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But as I understand the class D amp is more efficient than class AB, so the output will better or not? I ady read the spec of the amp, both can play the same frequencies more than 200hz (250hz).
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efficient is secondary to the quality of the sound amplified smile.gif
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efficient only in relation to power, thats being turned into sound instead of heat, thats all. recently there are class d amps that are able to play full range, however that doesnt mean its better sounding than class AB.

quality of amp depends on how it sounds, regardless of its design.
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best sub for my MA AUDIO MA-502 300W RMS 2 Channel Amp...
suggestion plz...
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Helo,
This is my first time posting in the thread and im desperatly seeking some help on my ICE system. Soon im going to get a satria neo and after seeing how the stock ICE system works i am 100% going to change it. Im looking for a loud and clear/crisp sound, clear/crisp is a priority but i also want it to be loud which is why im planning on two woofers. I also want it to be surround but im not sure if surround may affect the music sound.

Basicly im looking for advice on how the system will fit togeather. i.e. amps, x-overs.

I want to be able to adjust the fade and ballance so if im not mistaken i would need a HU with 3 pre outs? One for component speakers+tweeters, one for the mid bass and one for the woofers but what about the centre? <-not sure if that is the correct name for the type of speaker.

If anyone can tell me if this system is feasable or if i over looked something please tell me any input would be greatly appreciated

BTW i want to be able to watch DVDs aswell so im planning on a Pioneer xxx-xxxxxDVD model, single Din.

(i have attached a diagram of the setup, so far just the speakers)

please please please help me:D:D thanksssssss

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first of all, can ur player support 5.1? if yes, how many RCA outputs are there? if there's a output for centre then u can install a 5.1 system. can ur HU play active? if u wan us to recommend which comp or amp to get, u gotta tell us ur budget and music preference, too.
btw, i'm selling a set of used Boston Acoustics SL60, pm me if u r interested.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 5 2009, 02:03 AM)
first of all, can ur player support 5.1? if yes, how many RCA outputs are there? if there's a output for centre then u can install a 5.1 system. can ur HU play active? if u wan us to recommend which comp or amp to get, u gotta tell us ur budget and music preference, too.
btw, i'm selling a set of used Boston Acoustics SL60, pm me if u r interested.
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i dont actually have the HU yet but i think that if i can find a system that can handle this configuration the sound would be very nice if im not mistaken? perhaps the cenre is a bit over the top i probibly wont include that. im going to buy the HU based on the confuguration of my speakers.

the budget isnt really a problem, im looking for at the least a mid-end system. i dont have much experience with this so basicly i want to know if the configuration would be good for the SQ and then i will find the appropriate products to power it.

my music will be the kind of things u hear on hitz.fm and techno/club/trance music so il need a big bass and also the ability for really high pitched sounds i think?
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if i'm not wrong, multimedia system and SQ system aren't the same. first of all, SQ is very subjective, like in ur case, u love details and punchy bass, sharp highs and big bass, while some prefer laid back sound and moderate bass... multimedia system has to be set/tuned differently, i dunno wat is needed to be set exactly but somehow SQ settings might not be suitable for DVD system. if budget is not a problem, i suggest u getting a single din alpine DVD player and pair it with the alpine H701 processor. then u can play full active multimedia 5.1 setup. amps and comp u can decide after u decided on ur HU. if u wan to play stricly SQ, i think 5.1 is not the suitable way to go. u are better off with front 2 or 3way active setup with sub. of course dat alpine H701 processor can handle this job too, supporting up to full active front 3way + sub. dats all depending on u la. my point is the alpine proc is very versatile which i think suits ur needs, just have to think u wanna pair with which HU. other similar products are Audison BitOne, JL Audio Clean Sweep and etc.
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ok i understand now better about the set up. But if i wanted to power the sound diagrap that i posted above then what kind of features/outputs would i need to ask for? i want good SQ but at the same time a Single Din (to save space) HU with a screen that comes out so i can also watch dvd. The dvd player is only for occasional use and to display the reversing camera so it has to have a screen with RCA input.

i think that it much have 3 pre outs?
1. For the front component
2. For the mid-bass
3. For the woofers

This way i will be able to controll fading/balancing rite?


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if u wan to setup like ur diagram, best is for SQ setup. i would still recommend the same thing, alpine single din DVD player paired with alpine H701 processor. u can play full active like dat. perfectly suits ur needs as u can change the setting anytime from inside of ur car. the processor has 4 pair of RCA output. 2 for front comp set (1 for tweet and 1 for midbass), 1 for rear and 1 for sub. this setup shud last u for a long time. bear in mind such a setup will require a few amps as u need 7 channels of amplification. pay more attention and allocate more budget to the front system, the rear can juz get a coaxials and a moderate amp will do.
P/S: a lot of ppl using this processor in ICE competition.
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ah ok that sounds like a good plan thanks. just one question though if my budget isnt big enough to cover all that what would it sound like if i skipped the speakers in section "2" in the diagram? if i use a processor whats the advantage of that? then my HU only need one pre-out if using processor correct? but isnt it easier if i get a HU with 3 pre-out alredy? then can adjust the settings straight from the HU?

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of course u may skip the rear. then u can use a different setup. u can either use the setup i told u or get a single din DVD HU which has a gud built in proc so dat u can play active 2way front + sub.
processor means DSP(digital sound processor), a device that enable u to do time alignment, electronic crossover, equalizer and independent gain for each channel. u can just google for alpine H701 for more info. it's a very flexible processor. this proc connects to the HU via optical or ai-net. if other brands may connect using RCA but i heard dat the sound wasn't dat gud compared using optical. usually a HU with 1 preout onli is a sucky one. smile.gif
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hahahaha! ok i understand. but i cant decide between pioneer and alpine? the pioneer ones look much nicer cos they have the ones with the TV that comes out and they actually make TVs to id imagine they have alot more experience in tv than alpine. any advice?
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there are 12 pages in this thread and a lot of good advise on what a good starting system for SQ is.


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hahahaha! ok i understand. but i cant decide between pioneer and alpine? the pioneer ones look much nicer cos they have the ones with the TV that comes out and they actually make TVs to id imagine they have alot more experience in tv than alpine. any advice?
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ok i think either im going to get pioneer or alpine, prob pioneer cos of the dvd and nice 7" built in tv's they have. i dont quite understand how the channnels work in terms of amplifiers perhaps you could explain them to me? because i want to make sure its installed correctly i have decided i am going to install it my self and save money also. thats why i want to know so much detail. could u check the wiring diagram that i made? not sure if its correct or not...


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1 channel = 1+ and 1- on the amp. 1 rca output/input(not pair) represent 1ch. rca is low level output and output from amp to speaker is hi lvl output. so if u wan to play like ur diagram, u need a 4ch, a 2ch for rear and a monoblock for sub. or in order to save space, a 5ch and a small 2ch will do. if this is ur 1st time diy, then gud luck.
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ok i get it about the channel now thanks. il post up pictures in a few months once its all finished for u guys to see lol
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Hi every one sorry to trouble everyone ere but i just came across this wiring diagram and i dont quite understand how te bit highlighted in the red box works. From what i can see there are two channels going into one amp. The Front and Rear speakers. Is there a speacial type of name for this kind of amp that can do this? I thought most smps have only one channel in?

My set up is going to be exactly like this but with two sub-woofers.


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2 RCA (1 red & 1 white) = 2 channel on the amp output (2 +ve and 2 -ve).
while on mono amp, most of them combine the information on both white and red RCA into 1 output, so there's onli 1 +ve and 1 -ve on the output terminals of most mono amps(same have 2 +ve and 2 -ve depending on the topography of the amp). most 4ch amps, will have 4 inputs (2 red and 2 white RCA), which result in 4 +ve and 4-ve in the output terminals as they dun combine the signal like a mono amp does.
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o wow, i always thought that amps had only one input but many output. can u tell me if this diagram would work? its a component speaker set for the front.

and for my type of music, im thinking DVC or SVC and wired in series or paralell? i want a total of 2 subs.


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this diagram is ok. dun see anything wrong. as for sub, u gotta match with amp. refer to the 1st page of this thread for wiring examples. dvc and svc doesn't really matter, if ur amp can onli go down to 2ohms, then 2 pcs of svc 4ohms wired to 2 ohm will be the best option. of course, u have to match ther power too, u can't be using a 500w rms @ 2ohm amp to power 2 500wrms subs, rite? cos this way, the subs will be getting onli 250w each.
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hi all .im a newbie here and in ice also..
my current setup is simple entry level one
1.hu - pioneer 2950mp(rm370)
2.front component speaker -cerwin vega hed 1602a(rm600)
3.rear speaker -cap ayam ice stereo brand(rm300)
4.rear tweeter - dls(rm150)

well 4 about 2 years ill really satisfied wat my setup givin me...until....
i bought a home theater system..after that my car stereo sound like crap..voice not so clean..bass not so boomy,tweeter not so kacing kacing sound..hehehe

so after been reading n surveying car sound system near me..i gotta find myself a sub n of course amp..

so wif a tight budget and really not so patience waiting long for a bass n clear soound ive booked oredy a pioneer 4 channel amp n 12'' woofer..

amp - pioneer gm-6400f(rm780)
sub -pioneer ts-wx301(add another rm32o bought together wif amp)

4 channel amp...2 for front component system n 2 bridged to 1 for sub...

ahhh now my boot space will b a bit small..
i hope d setup will b enuf for my ears...and dot have to upgrede anymore..ice is so pricy lahhh
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most 4ch amps, will have 4 inputs (2 red and 2 white RCA), which result in 4 +ve and 4-ve in the output terminals as they dun combine the signal like a mono amp does.
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noob here...from ur post here thats means that a hu with 2rca n put in a amp with 2rca input rite??...if i power up 2 comp set with it(using all 4 channel), n i buy another amp with sub...how do i connect the new amp to the hu?? or is there another set up for
-2 comp set
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-a hu that have 2rca output??

or better i get a 3rca output hu??
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there's something we call Y-cables, which splits the signal into 2. google for more info.
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there's something we call Y-cables, which splits the signal into 2. google for more info.
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i know that...but if use it the sq will drop rite??

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just get 1 comp set will do, leave the rear for the HU to power. then u will have enuf amplification channels. Y cable split ur signal into 2, how the SQ changes varies in different system.
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get an electronic crossover la....
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get an electronic crossover la....
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is electronic xover is diff with the xover that we get when buying a comp set??

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Now I using alpine HU with 2 pre-out, 1 for 2 channel amp to play the front component set and another 1 for monoblock to play subwoofer. all sound settings is nice for me now just the subwoofer is abit low although the HU subwoofer setting is max, should i adjust the gain level on the monoblock to get louder? adjusting the gain level will spoil the sq?
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QUOTE(spadecrew @ Jun 13 2009, 06:55 PM)
is electronic xover is diff with the xover that we get when buying a comp set??
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yes, the one with speakers is called passive crossover. it divides frequency at speaker wire level, comes between amplifier and speaker

electronic crossover uses rca cables, divides frequency at signal level via rca cables, comes in between head unit and amplifier


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Now I using alpine HU with 2 pre-out, 1 for 2 channel amp to play the front component set and another 1 for monoblock to play subwoofer. all sound settings is nice for me now just the subwoofer is abit low although the HU subwoofer setting is max, should i adjust the gain level on the monoblock to get louder? adjusting the gain level will spoil the sq?
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have u tried playing with EQ yet? try and boost some low frequencies before u play with gain. anyway u can increase gain as long as u know where to stop, so u avoid sending clipped signals and damage your sub.

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yes, the one with speakers is called passive crossover.  it divides frequency at speaker wire level, comes between amplifier and speaker

electronic crossover uses rca cables, divides frequency at signal level via rca cables, comes in between head unit and amplifier

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thats means that when i use these elec xover...only high freq goes to a amp that power my comp n only low freq goes to another amp that power my sub...soo i assume that i will get better SQ..rite??

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yes, high pass for front speaker amp, low pass to sub amp..

nowadays head units have inbuilt electronic xovers already, so thats another way to go
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yes, high pass for front speaker amp, low pass to sub amp..

nowadays head units have inbuilt electronic xovers already, so thats another way to go
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referring to my thred over here is any of these three player that have built it elec xover??

another ques...if i want to play with sq for comp set n spl with sub will it sound nice when combine together??

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it's all down to tuning. not sure if any of ur HU mentioned got crossover, u can check their spec. bear in mind, if ur sub is too powerful, u might not enjoy ur setup cos of overwhelming bass dat 'cover' the sound of ur comp. dats why gain matching is important in SQ setup.
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it's all down to tuning. not sure if any of ur HU mentioned got crossover, u can check their spec. bear in mind, if ur sub is too powerful, u might not enjoy ur setup cos of overwhelming bass dat 'cover' the sound of ur comp. dats why gain matching is important in SQ setup.
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im driving civic 4door year 97...the sub for sure sit in the trunk...will the sound of the sub feel the same like i'm sitting in satria or wira aeroback becoz these two car are connected between interior n trunk but my car is not....will it sound slower?? if its slower can it still overwhelming my comp set??
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the sub will not feel the same in aeroback compared in sedan. but u can alwez remove the rear speakers and there will be 2 holes for the bass to come in, dats wat i did for my car. u can alwez adjust the gain on ur amp to ur liking.
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the sub will not feel the same in aeroback compared in sedan. but u can alwez remove the rear speakers and there will be 2 holes for the bass to come in, dats wat i did for my car. u can alwez adjust the gain on ur amp to ur liking.
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hi sifu sifu's, can you guys roughly guide me to what i need to do?

i think i have the rough idea already but i just need to be sure about it.

currently driving the new saga, with stock everything. and i also have in possession of a 4ch amp, 1 comp set, and 1 xover.

so now, i want to get rid of all my stock speakers and maintain my stock hu till i have enough for a decent upgrade, and planning for prolly 1 10" subs for later.

should i hook the 4ch amps and get 2 chs for the comp set and leave the other 2 empty first, then i just leave the xover out of the picture till i get a sub? the 4 ch amp (alpine MRP - F240) should be sufficient enough to power 1 comp set and 1 sub right?
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sell the xover and save up for new HU, just use the hi pass and lo pass filters on the amp

can use stock HU with the alpine 4ch first because it can accept speaker level input, no need to buy hi-lo convertor

just power just the comps first and later the sub.
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alrighty then, thanks for the input. smile.gif
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hey sifu sifu out there, i'm facing this problem my palyer will go silent after drving for 1 hour, but after if i off n on it back, it works again, n again the problem will recur after a shorter duration drive! what could be the problem?i've asked a few shops, both advice me 2 change player, could it be the wiring problem or the player?..i've no adequate knowledge or what so ever in this ICE thingy, therefore will sifu sifu out there be kind enough to offer me their expert opinion on my situation, it'll be appreciated! thank you!

i'm currently using a 2DIN sony player

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You might want to check your wire connection at the battery and the fuse connection. I have the same problem in the past and was rectified after I changed the fuse. Sometimes, the fuse is not in good condition so current flow is affected hence u may face power discruption.
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QUOTE(robinhood @ Jul 18 2009, 12:37 PM)
You might want to check your wire connection at the battery and the fuse connection. I have the same problem in the past and was rectified after I changed the fuse. Sometimes, the fuse is not in good condition so current flow is affected hence u may face power discruption.
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sell the xover and save up for new HU, just use the  hi pass and lo pass filters on the amp

can use stock HU with the alpine 4ch first because it can accept speaker level input, no need to buy hi-lo convertor

just power just the comps first and later the sub.
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sifu, can i use 2 way mid bass speaker instead of component? any different if i use amp to connet it? i found out component sets are always expensive than only speaker.

thanks.
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in car audio, waht u pay is what u get, thats why component set always more expensive than coaxials, and of coz sounds a lot better too.

instead of using amp + coaxials, better use that money just buy component set. add amp when u have budget later on...
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in car audio, waht u pay is what u get, thats why component set always more expensive than coaxials, and of coz sounds a lot better too.

instead of using amp + coaxials, better use that money just buy component set.  add amp when u have budget later on...
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Hi sifus, i'm planning to buy a component set to replace my front speakers. do i need an amp to get better sound quality or just replace the old speakers with the new component speakers?

Can i buy a 2 channel amp to power my front components and let my rear speakers directly connected to the HU? If i do this, is there any configurations i need to do to the fader or others?

THX
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QUOTE(New_kid @ Aug 25 2009, 04:29 PM)
Hi sifus, i'm planning to buy a component set to replace my front speakers. do i need an amp to get better sound quality or just replace the old speakers with the new component speakers?

components always sound better with amp, so depends on your budget lah...can also install the amp later, run the components direct from HU first.


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Can i buy a 2 channel amp to power my front components and let my rear speakers directly connected to the HU? If i do this, is there any configurations i need to do to the fader or others?
yes you can, that method is highly recommended actually. some dont even bother with rears, kacau the front soundstage only.
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hi sifus here, need guidance for ice.

am planning to change the stock system of saga blm, step by step basis.

so is going tru getting HU -> Component Speaker -> Amp -> Woofer a way ?

songs i'm listening to mainly is pop and R&B then occasionally trance.

as for budget , is a headache ... is a sound system consist of 3k good enuf ? as long doesnt sound like shit ... =P

thx alot.
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whole set for 3k? maybe if u find some nice 2nd hand stuffs will give a not so shitty sound. 5k will give u a decent system at least.
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oic, prolly i try make it 5k then as im getting em one by one.

so what brand/model will u be recommending ?

HU -> Component Speaker -> Amp -> Woofer

but as im getting hu first, i can use the stock speakers until i get the comp spks?

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yes u may use the HU to power the stocks first, no problem with dat. u plan to play SQ or SPL? wat kinda music u listen to? below is a thread quite similar to ur situation.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1185806&hl=
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hi ckmoy007,

yea my situation kind of like Joker87. I'll be getting Hu, comp,amp then sub.

well songs am listening to also like him but for me a sub will do.

so for HU, Alpine 9886 or Eclipse cd 3200 to go for ? wut im should go is hu with 3 preouts right ?

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lets say if ur budget is 5k, i'll give u an example setup dat fits ur budget. i am not so sure for the prices but it's not very expensive. for HU, get alpine 9887 1.3k new or pioneer P80RS 1.6k new, or u can find some 2nd hand HU like eclipse 7100 or 7200, alpine 9835, 9855, 9812, 7998 oso can and cheaper. for mid end comp speaker ranges from rm700-1200, Boston Acoustics S60, Alpine type R, DLS R6A, Peerless Definition, Focal Access or Polyglass, Eton PRO170, Vifa drivers if u plan to play active and the list goes on. Amp: ~rm1.5 - 2k i suggest getting some 2nd hand amps for cost saving, ask zenn to recommend u some nice amps. dun worry abt durability of 2nd hand amps, gud quality amps are made to last long. then now to the subs, a single 12" sub will do rite? try to get a sub around rm500 then it will all fit to ur budget. just remember to stay away from china made brands and fake stuffs.
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regarding playing active and passive, whats the diff? im into sq btw.

other than that the list you provided should be able to get what i need. next just to find which accessories shop to fo the job .

thx.
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abt accessories shop i not so sure, u have to ask the locals. i'm from sabah so can't help u. active setup gives u flexibility in tuning i.e. independent crossover, EQ, time alignment and gain control on each channel, and each speaker gets its own amplification, meaning 4 speakers need a 4ch amp, the passive crossovers of the comp set are not used in this setup. while passive, like the name sounds, using the passive crossovers. not much flexibility in tuning. all these mostly depends on which HU u are getting and if the HU has the capability to play active.
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oic, well i think ill juz make a passive system first o.o;

so if i juz want a pair of comp spks and a sub how many channel amp i need 4ch i suppose ?

thx ~
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it's better to get a seperate amp for the sub so dat it wun suck up too much power. and usually bridged 4ch might not be enuf to feed a sub unless u get a 150rms sub. i suggest 2pcs of 2ch amp.
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orait, thx for the info. i shall let the workshop know wut i want they should be able to do it.

gotta start earning $$$$$$$

thx again =)
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Pros out there,

My player only have a pair of RCA out(rear).I want to use a 4ch amp,2ch for rear and another 2ch bridged for sub.I know that i could split it into 2 pair but then,would there be any sound quality drop?
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most 4ch amps can accept input from a single rca, theres a switch for it, should be written something like "sum or separate"
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Sifu's I need some recommendation

Few days back, my amp finally gave way. Sigh, one of the transistors broke off and fried the board. sigh.

Anyways biggrin.gif I am looking at new Amps to power my component set up. Any recommendation.

I found a Lanzar for 300 bucks. advisable ? second hand.

Thanks,
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u r into SPL? which Lanzar amps, they have lotsa series, got Heritage, Vibe and so on.
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QUOTE(zennn @ Oct 19 2009, 01:08 PM)
most 4ch amps can accept input from a single rca, theres a switch for it, should be written something like "sum or separate"
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Thanks for the info.Btw,i'm considering to get the Stellar SD-5350F 5CH amp.Do u think there's the sum switch on that amp?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 19 2009, 06:06 PM)
u r into SPL? which Lanzar amps, they have lotsa series, got Heritage, Vibe and so on.
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I am into SQL. hmm, dont know which series it is. I will call and ask tomorrow. But does it make a difference ? sorry i dont know.

Thanks,
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it's just like mercedes oso got different classes. every manufacturer has low to hi end products of their own. Lanzar i would say it's quite a gud brand for beginners. i've had Lanzar 6x9" before and it served me well. u can check the model at the official website or google it for more info and reviews.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 20 2009, 04:24 AM)
it's just like mercedes oso got different classes. every manufacturer has low to hi end products of their own. Lanzar i would say it's quite a gud brand for beginners. i've had Lanzar 6x9" before and it served me well. u can check the model at the official website or google it for more info and reviews.
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Ok. Thanks for the advise dude. Appreciate it.

Cheers,
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guys,i have got my dls 6,and now finding for a decent amplifier to power it up,is the below amplifier enough to power up my component?i saw sum1 selling it 2nd hand,how to noe it's original anot??thx in advance

http://www.lanzar.com/itempage.asp?model=VIBE420
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yup it's gud enuf. 4x100w. fake or not, very hard to say. as far as i know no fake lanzars, just some imitation copying its series, i.e. Vibesound. otherwise, this amp shud not be a problem. try to look inside the interior of the amp for visible damage like blown IC or bloated capacitor due to abuse of the amp.
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ok,but bro,i compare the pic he snap with the1 in the website,i found out it's different,the vibe 420 looks ori,but the vibe 240 he is selling away looks diff wit the1 in website,so i am confuse now, rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

http://www.lanzar.com/el.asp?model=VIBE240

as u can c from the pic,its 600 watts,meanwhile the1 in the website its 800 watts,zzz

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i'm no lanzar specialist. can't help u. but it looks ori to me. if it's cheap can go for it.
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the one on the right looks like the one in website, so the left could be a copy..?
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i think it's different wattage onli, 2 diff models, look at the newer models got written 600w and 800w.
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is ok guys,i will go and have a look by myself,thx,=)
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Hi all,

need some advice. Im planning to change my BLM iCE. planning to go for a very moderate setup consisting of Head Unit, Component spkrs (2 way), and 1 set of 3 way speakers. I dont want to add sub woofers at the back coz i wanna save trunk space.(travelling a lot). So, all the sifu's out there, please advise me how shall i setup my ICE. thanx in advance. notworthy.gif
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cd player, 4ch amp, front components, rear 6x9, kautim....
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need advice, wanna to setup simple/standard sound system (for myvi).. stock speaker & radio.. just wanna add equalizer & tweeter.. what are the spec to consider & which brand is better?
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wat bout 2ch amp for component. rear 6x9 connected to HU ?? is that gud?? in future might add 1 monoblock for woofers smile.gif
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engineered, best to change your player, dont waste money on cheap EQ

jaya yup, thats good also....

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QUOTE(engineered @ Nov 18 2009, 05:04 PM)
need advice, wanna to setup simple/standard sound system (for myvi).. stock speaker & radio.. just wanna add equalizer & tweeter.. what are the spec to consider & which brand is better?
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dont waste money on equalizer. Change your component speakers and add a decent quality 4 channels amplifiers and head unit. If space allow add in a subwoofer n 2 channel amp. Maybe u like to play active too.

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hi.. wanna ask bout setup.. noob about ice here..

just buy a 2nd HU kenwood from a member.. is it got amp?

now using it to blast :
2x front speaker (mtx audio)
2x tweeter (jbl)
2x 6x9 speaker (mtx audio)
1x underseat subwoofer (2 speaker inside - kenwood JDM model)..

so.. when installing the new HU, i just know that my car previous owner put an amp underseat and install a cross over for the tweeter (jbl).. but he already take the amp out, crossX still avail.. so now how to setup back? do i need to buy another amp? how much wattage? how many channel?

running without amp now.. just depend on subwoofer amp to blast.. seem like speaker not getting enough power..

i love the tweeter but sometimes, the low pitch sound.. damn hurt my ear.. anyway to reduce it (pre-amp?)..
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get an amp, the head unit amp is very very small, not enough, especially for the speakers u stated above. and get the passive xover from your friend, look for a 4ch amp to start with, to power the front speakers (mtx+jbl tweet+xover) and the rear 6x9. the underseat woofer has inbuilt amp inside already. once the tweeter is connected to the passive xover the sound will be better..

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hello..please advice for my saga blm n00b setup tongue.gif
HU=pioneer deh2250ubg 1 rear/sub pre out
front = boschmann mb-62gtx component 380w max
rear =mohawk silver coax 6.5 180w max
amp=none

now why the comp is slower than the coaxial?or the HU not enuff juice to power th front comp.and if i add an amp how do i wired it as my HU only got rear pre out?not front..now the rear stage is louder than front stage..

do help me all sifus tq in advance




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Fade forward for free fix. Not ideal but will work temporarily.
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hi...noobie in ICE here..
i have 2k budget to start wif..
and i planned to get:

1. HU (DVD,MP3,MP4,USB)
2. 6.5" Comp. Speaker.
3. 12" Subwoofer
4. Single Din Indash LCD
5. 2 or 4 ch. amp.

Extra:
1. Monoblock Amp.
2. Rear Speaker (Mid-Way Bass)

do u guys think 2k is enuf if i want to get all the stuff above?
i might get 2nd items..

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hey

wanna ask monoblock is for what?

if i plan to put woofer

do i nd monoblock or 2ch amp?

roughly if plus 2champ n wiring at acc shop will cost me rm200plus

wiithout woofer bcause i edi hv the woofer

n what if i put my 2ch amps which edi cnnect to front cmpnent speakers to the woofer?

will it be any diff?

will my cmpnent speakers sound better or not?

i plan 2 buy 4ch amps to connect the cmpnent n rear speakers
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monoblock is a single channel amp, used usually for subwoofers
u can use either 2ch or monoblock for the sub, all depends on what power is required by the sub and how it is wired, if its single voice coil or double
no pls do not connect the 2ch amp to both your components and sub
your components will not sound better, and either the amp will rosak or your speakers will
if u plan to upgrade to better 4ch amp, u can use the new 4ch amp to power both your front components and your sub. use old 2ch for the rear speakers.
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thx 4 the advice

which brand would u recommend?

under badget of 400 for 2 ch amps and 600 for 4 ch amps?
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why not just get 1000 for a 4ch amp, much better quality.

rear speaker just connect direct to head unit, or use back your old amp.

400 and 600 amp will be cap ayam
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how bout pioneer?4ch cost about rm600

or blaupunkt?
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not recommended
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okay then

pioneer amp nt that gd?


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in car audio, pioneer not known for their amps, just their cd players. their amps & speakers are so-so only, unless their very high end stuff

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mohawk?

blaupunkt?
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mohawk cap ayam
blaupunkt also known for head units only, amp & speakers so so
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lucky me i hvnt buy the mohawk

thx 4 the info bro

care 2 gv any opinion brand that gd which is blow badget of 600 bro?

really2 appreciate it

if 1k above cant la

keke

oh yea

pre amp is useful or nt?



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i tot u have 1k, coz u said 600 and 400 each amp.

if 600 only i suggest u save up some more la, around 800 maybe can get alpine

pre amp depends la what type. if its the normal cheap equiliser type, i not recommended la, make your system noisier. better use that budget for new head unit, nowadays come with equiliser built in.
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badget is ard 600

not 1k

still stdying ma

keke

mayb i shud put woofer wit 2amps 1st

coz infrnt edi got cmpnent set cnnect with 2champ

do u know wat type of cable tat can last long 2 cnnct wit woofer and amp?
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hello everyone, i'm thinking of upgrading my ICE of saga lmst. as of now, it's just the basic setup no add ons...

the problem is, after reading few pages of this thread, I just can't understand all the jargons that u guys are using doh.gif

so can anyone advice me on what i should do (from the first step till complete) and also the budget that i should have?

thanx in advance
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What jargons? mind to share?

If you don't tell us what you do not understand, then we also cannot explain to you what you would like to know.

As usual, change the front speaker first. tongue.gif
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anybody here using boschman?

hows the quality?

thx
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in my saga lmst, only have rear speakers and a HU.. if i want to get the front speaker, do i have to modify anything?

i dont understand RCU Pre-amp those kinda things tongue.gif
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If front do not have speaker hole, then will need to drill a hole and a mould to hold your speaker.

You mean RCA is it? It is an output at the back of your HU, for connection to your amplifier.

Start slowly first, unless you have a deep pocket... tongue.gif
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hey guys i wanna ask what mean by 5band pre-amp and 7band pre-amp? what the different? and "capitor"donknow how to spell =/ what the thing use for? only for saving battery power?
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just extra 2 frequency bands = more control.
if you're buying preamp due not enuf rca, its actually better to upgrade HU instead.

capacitor = think of it as power resovoir
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QUOTE(fueifuei @ Aug 22 2010, 07:02 PM)
hey guys i wanna ask what mean by 5band pre-amp and 7band pre-amp? what the different? and "capitor"donknow how to spell =/ what the thing use for? only for saving battery power?
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5 band give u 5 tuning frequency range...the freq tuning curve are more wider than 7 band. so when u tune like say 800hz, it will effect from 400-1.2khz..
if u got 7band, it will only affect 600-1khz....which give you more accurate result
that's called "Q factor" in EQ
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heys

how many eq does eclipse 7100 n 7200 n alpine 9887 have?

p80 got 28eq i tink

correct me if im wrong

thx

and does p80rsii got usb and ipod rdy?

some say dun hv usb

but i read got usb in pioneer website

cn help?

will get 1 soon

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9887 got 5 and 7, you can choose.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Thanks

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Aug 30 2010, 12:04 AM)
5 band give u 5 tuning frequency range...the freq tuning curve are more wider than 7 band. so when u tune like say 800hz, it will effect from 400-1.2khz..
if u got 7band, it will only affect 600-1khz....which give you more accurate result
that's called "Q factor" in EQ
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ow mean 5band is better? install pre amp is hu- pre amp right? or amp to pre amp?
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7band better.
Think of it as 7string guitar will play more freq accurately than 5string guitar.
HU--->pre-amp----->amp

again, if you're gonna buy a pre-amp for freq tuning, you might as well get a better HU with EQ built in.
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my new kenwood hu got eq built in =) mmm..going check for pre amp in holiday haha thanks ya
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QUOTE(fueifuei @ Sep 1 2010, 07:45 PM)
my new kenwood hu got eq built in =) mmm..going check for pre amp in holiday haha thanks ya
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mostly ppl buy pre-amp is bcuz they use low end HU. some juz buy bcuz they think it looks cool. it's better to upgrade HU rather than add pre-amp. if u have good HU, good amp but bad pre-amp...it'll juz kacau the signal

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hi. upgradding my car system..

alpine 9886..

planning to get pegasus / boschmann component set (any idea where to get) im looking for it high and low around klang valley.. kinda difficult

any recommendation for back speakers? (maybe 2 way or 3 way - any recommendation for the brand)

im more towards SQ..

do i have to get a amp?

please help me...
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if u want sq, then save up some more money, get some good component speakers for the front budget at least 800, run without amp first.

then save up for a 4ch amp, budget at least 800 also

rear speaker no need. buy a subwoofer, budget around 500 and connect to the 4ch amp.
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checked with a shop.. ellegance.. he said he can suggest to use VOZ audio.. do u think it is good?
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checked with a shop.. ellegance.. he said he can suggest to use VOZ audio.. do u think it is good?
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it is like.. rm 450 - 600 for component
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cap ayam......for that price look for boston accoustic
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my setup

JL Audio J2 320.4 4 channel
JL Audio J2 500.1 Monoblock
JL Audio 12" w0v2 woofer
Vifa 6.5" component 265i Mark 4
EFX Revo RCA system
Van Den Hul NOVA speaker cable

my setup - SQ
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Sekalian sifus...

Need some advice here.

I have a mono amp for my sub. Planning to get a comp set + amp. Do i need a 2 channel amp or 4 channel amp for SQ.
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depends on ur HU oso bro.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 19 2010, 07:49 PM)
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2ch enuf since you got mono ordy. Unless you planning to play active then you'll need 4ch.
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relocated to Need recommendation/advise for my caraudio system, pls use this thread in the future topic.

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Do u guys think its enough if i use 4ch amp to power up my component sets at the front and 6x9 speaker at the bax without the sub ?
Im only interest to hear a good sound...
Could u guys also recommend me a gud brand for this purpose ?
Thx in advance...
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QUOTE(bluetomsguy @ Dec 2 2010, 02:12 PM)
Do u guys think its enough if i use 4ch amp to power up my component sets at the front and 6x9 speaker at the bax without the sub ?
Im only interest to hear a good sound...
Could u guys also recommend me a gud brand for this purpose ?
Thx in advance...
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Up to your personal preference bro... What budget to you have in mind?
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Dec 4 2010, 12:24 AM)
Up to your personal preference bro... What budget to you have in mind?
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i already equipped my car with 4 ch amps...
2ch goes to component set....the other 2 ch goes to to the sub....
but i think i want to replace the rear stock speaker with that smaller than 6x9 because i dont want to cut the chassis in order for the speaker to fit in..
what type of amps is recommended for this setup...
mono amp or 2 ch amp for my rear speaker...
if mono amp...i wanna connect the sub to it and use the 2ch from my 4 amps to the rear speaker...
which is better ?
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Can any0ne explain me futher ab0ut h0w t0 c0nnect and wiring f0r pre amp and amp? Help are m0st appreciate..thanks


Added on January 2, 2011, 8:54 am
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This is roughly how basic ICE worls.. i hope that this can b pinned up so that beginners can get a picture how it is normally run..
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can u explain me a little futher ab0ut h0w t0 c0nnect and wiring pre amp to amp.?s0 that b0th w0rking..i'm n00bies here.hehe


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all u need is RCA wire to connect pre amp to amp
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hi guys (sifus here2)

im a total noob in ICE... need help from you guys now... i've read all the way from page 1, but there are a lot of terms i still dont know... huhu...


my current setting is
HU - PIONEER DEH-5050UB
Speaker (front n rear) - stock speaker
tweeter - soundstream which is not clear at all, but still better than nothing
subwoofer - cap ayam
amp - cap ayam

recently, i just realize that my sub does not working anymore...

so, im planning to change all of it, stage by stage...

my 1st stage will be changing the wiring, sub n amp...

what should i get...? i prefer SQ, and if possible, i dont want people outside hear what i hear inside...

so, a component are pairs of woofer, tweeter n x-over right...? what is that x-over or electronic x-over...?
and what is a 2 or 3-way speaker then...? which is better...?

my car is viva... budget +- rm 1.5k...

btw, what is active n passive system...?

thx in advance... ^^


edit: what is RCA guys...? it mention that my HU have 3 RCA... n what is the use of cross over btw...?

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get a 4ch amp, a front component set ( no need to use your ss tweeter) and sub.

xover in comp set is passive, not electronic xover. passive comes between amp & speakers. elec. xover comes in between HU and amp.

3 way component is better, but much more expensive, plus u need a very powerful amp.

active system is when u dont use any passives. all speakers have their own amp. so if u have 3 way system (tweeter, mids & sub) u will have 5 or 6 amp channels. if 4 way (tweet, mid, midbass, sub) u need 7 or 8 channels.

rca is the signal cable that goes from HU to amp, or if u have any elec. xover in between, also uses RCA cables.

xover is used to separate the frequencies to the correct speaker. high frequencies go to tweeter, midrange go to mids, and lows go to sub

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thx so much for your reply...

and what are the high pass filter (HPF) and low pass filter (LPF)...?
i've google it but i still cant understant what it is...

thx in advance... ^^
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hpf and lpf are the filter in crossovers

hpf = u only let the frequencies higher than this value pass thru

lpf = u only let frequencies lower than this value pass thru

another one is bandpass, which is combination of both lpf and hpf

so in a 3 way system:

front/high out: hpf = 2500 hz = all frequencies above 2500hz goes to tweeter
rear out/midrange: bandpass lpf = 2500, hpf = 50 = all frequencies in between 50hz and 2500hz will go to the midrange
sub out: lpf = 50hz = all frequencies lower than 50hz will go to the sub
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just wanna share here.. smile.gif
my hu is pioneer.. forgot the model..
i have 3 amp..
1 cap ayam amp for my pioneer front speaker with arrow crossover
1 2 channel amp for my mid bass speaker at the back, kicker for got the model..
1 mono amp (trans) to drive my two old skul 12" woofer..

after 7 yrs, still sound good.. hihi .. i dont use preamp as my hu already have 3 pairs of rca output.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(zennn @ Jan 25 2011, 04:17 PM)
hpf and lpf are the filter in crossovers

hpf = u only let the frequencies higher than this value pass thru

lpf = u only let frequencies lower than this value pass thru

another one is bandpass, which is combination of both lpf and hpf

so in a 3 way system:

front/high out: hpf = 2500 hz = all frequencies above 2500hz goes to tweeter
rear out/midrange: bandpass lpf = 2500, hpf = 50 = all frequencies in between 50hz and 2500hz will go to the midrange
sub out: lpf = 50hz = all frequencies lower than 50hz will go to the sub
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thx for the info man... really appreciate it... ^^

btw, what is the of pre out...? does it act like amp...? my HU pioneer DEH p5050 has 3 pre out, but i dont know the uses of it... mind telling me...? icon_question.gif

thx in advance... biggrin.gif
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pre out means output for RCA cable to connect to amplifier
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QUOTE(zennn @ Feb 2 2011, 01:22 PM)
pre out means output for RCA cable to connect to amplifier
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i see... so, what if a HU dont have any pre out, can it be connected to amp...?
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yes, can use hi-lo convertor but sound wont be as good. also some amps have hi-level inputs, just use speaker cable from HU to the amp
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i see.. thx for the info dude.. ^^

btw, how can i determine a good amp...? my fren has an amp 440w (2c) sony but it delivers deep bass sound from my cap ayam sub woofer... but then, i try another sony amp (4c) with higher 'watt', but it DOES NOT deliver deep bass sound as the previous amp, but the sounds still decent though... so, what should i check to have an amp that can deliver deep bass sound?

for now, im planning to get a 4channel amp.. will grab monoblock later though... any recommendation...?

i dont know what is the term, but deep bass sound that i mean is the bass that we can feel it all the way to our heart, but the sound it produce is not that loud.. got what i mean...? there are other sw that produce loud bass sound but not so deep bass sound..
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difficult to answer, if u have the chance to plug it in and play thats the best way la

other than that have to rely on other users review & recommendation.
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QUOTE(zennn @ Feb 7 2011, 03:53 PM)
difficult to answer, if u have the chance to plug it in and play thats the best way la

other than that have to rely on other users review & recommendation.
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thats the deal with amps. too subjective to give much comment on. at least speakers are a lot more easier to comment/rate (like their characteristics/performance) based on experience.
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guys, i have a question here...i'm also new in ICE but need to know the difference btw monoblock & amp here?

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guys, i have a question here...i'm also new in ICE but need to know the difference btw monoblock & amp here?
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monoblocks generally have better power efficiency and higher output as it is used to drive subwoofers (which of course, requires more power than component speakers)

for further details/technical information, existing websites/pages/wikipedia will be able to provide, do google it yourself if you wish to learn more
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hi guys.
i'm new to ICE.
i have pioneer player,and rear speaker.i think its 6x9 la.
so now i'm thinking of putting tweeter and 4 inch dashboard speaker.
any recommendation?
and do i need amp if add those speakers?
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Mar 15 2011, 05:12 PM)
hi guys.
i'm new to ICE.
i have pioneer player,and rear speaker.i think its 6x9 la.
so now i'm thinking of putting tweeter and 4 inch dashboard speaker.
any recommendation?
and do i need amp if add those speakers?
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No need amp. Your HU is enough to power, but sound nice or not...very subjective. smile.gif
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Hi, I just installed a boston component set( SX60), n two channel amplifier(80W).
The sound play from cd is very very clear n nice, however, when I change to FM, I noticed that there is significant drop in sound quality, really terrible. Any solution?

My amp is.connected to the component set, while rear 6*9 connect to hu(pioneer).
Haven't instal any sub n monoblock yet.

M trying to take a balance between sq n spl.

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QUOTE(kinmin888 @ Mar 16 2011, 02:14 AM)
Hi, I just installed a boston component set( SX60), n two channel amplifier(80W).
The sound play from cd is very very clear n nice, however, when I change to FM, I noticed that there is significant drop in sound quality, really terrible. Any solution?

My amp is.connected to the component set, while rear 6*9 connect to hu(pioneer).
Haven't instal any sub n monoblock yet.

M trying to take a balance between sq n spl.
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check/change your HU. its just FM signals not sufficient for your component for optimal playback.
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So basically how to tune the amp?
i had a two chanel amp, which has a lpf, hpf , n cross over (all, high, low) n it is connected to my front component set.

my current setup is lpf=20, hpf = x sure (later I check), x over = low, it produce a decent sound for those oldies but not for some rnb song.
how to tune for a bälance sq n spl setting?
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QUOTE(kinmin888 @ Mar 16 2011, 09:34 PM)
So basically how to tune the amp?
i had a two chanel amp, which has a lpf, hpf , n cross over (all, high, low) n it is connected to my front component set.

my current setup is lpf=20, hpf = x sure (later I check), x over = low, it produce a decent sound for those oldies but not for some rnb song.
how to tune for a bälance sq n spl setting?
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you said CD ok but FM not ok right? do you still think its the amp? lol
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you said CD ok but FM not ok right? do you still think its the amp? lol
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m just wanna learn how to tune the amp, jst wanna learn smtg n gain sme knowledge.
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QUOTE(kinmin888 @ Mar 16 2011, 09:34 PM)
So basically how to tune the amp?
i had a two chanel amp, which has a lpf, hpf , n cross over (all, high, low) n it is connected to my front component set.

my current setup is lpf=20, hpf = x sure (later I check), x over = low, it produce a decent sound for those oldies but not for some rnb song.
how to tune for a bälance sq n spl setting?
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if its for the front components, it should be set to to hpf

try to take a picture for us, then can give better answer. usually can only choose one only, not all three
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Ok. I had check.

The x over =hpf, hpf=1khz, lpf=250hz.
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Mar 15 2011, 11:03 PM)
No need amp. Your HU is enough to power, but sound nice or not...very subjective.  smile.gif
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i see..so when do i need an amp?
by the way thanks for your reply bro. smile.gif
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Mar 18 2011, 11:07 AM)
i see..so when do i need an amp?
by the way thanks for your reply bro. smile.gif
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Need an amp or not...
-> Are you satisfy with current sound? Amp as its name apply, will amplify whatever produced by your HU. Meaning you will get louder sound and maybe more details of the song, if your speakers can produce such details.
...want or not, still depend on if you want more of what you have currently.


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hi guys, I'm about to invest a pair of component set. Currently still using ori. car speaker which I totally find it hopeless though HU is using Alpine cda-117e. Do I need to tune my HU setting? seems like Alpine setting is more for Pro user coz many unfamiliar terms.

I'm considering between Morel Maximo and Helix Esprit E136, any comment between this 2 brand? More towards SQ (jazz, R&B Soul, Bossa) THANK YOU
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Maximo is the entry level of morel right? How is it compare to Focal? I using 4" Focal component and i think it's not the sound i wanted.
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hi , i using pioneer cd player... front have one soundstream comp and one amp ... wat i should i add more ? isist a 10inch caliber woofer better or change more good component ?
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depends what amp is it

is it 2ch or 4ch

is it a good amp or cap ayam

maybe need to change amp, not component

if its a 4ch then can add a sub la
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no ... it is jz 2 channel amp ... i duno wat brand is tat amp... got more than 10 years ago
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maybe u can use it for the subwoofer, for the components use your head unit internal power first
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Sifu sifu here, need advice..
My current set up

HU: Pioneer old hu but just bought P80rs2(haven install yet)
AMP: JVC KS-AX4504 (4channel)
Speaker: DLS k4 component (4" v tweeter w/o xover) , DLS 226 6.5"(2way coaxial), DLS 1269 6x9"(2way coaxial)
Tweeter: VIFA 1" Silk DOme tweeter..(bought to replace 4" component tweeter but now dunno how to set up)
SUB: Kenwood KFC w3012 12"

My set up: SQ..

Currently set up HU>4ch :(2ch - 6.5"(2way coaxial) + tweeter)(2ch - bridge for SUB) plan to take off the 6x9"coaxial and my tweeter and 6.5"coaxial dont have any passive xover.

So what should i do to improve the quality of sound? tuning? as i know that p80rs2 have active xover and how can i utilize it? cz i dun wan buy a passive xover for the 6.5"(2way coaxial)+tweeter...

and the 6.5"(2way coaxial) should i replace v a midbass? or still can use it?
For monoblock which should i choose? mohawk ms500.1 or jbl cs series 300.1 both also 200rms @4ohm but dunno which one better..

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sell the 4inch component, 6.5inch coaxial and 6x9 coaxial. and then find a pair of vifa mids, should be around 800


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then jus use the vifa midrange + Vifa tw ? and 2ch bridge for sub? or wat?For SQ need a better comp and sub will be ok rite?
means 2way setup is it?...

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3 way active set up la
4ch amp for vifa mid & tweet
2ch or mono amp for sub

dont worry about the sub side for SQ, better upgrade the 4ch amp to better one, as you already have good player and speaker
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heys.newbies here

heres my ice setup

Hu : pioneer 7250sd

frnt speaker : audio quartz 3 way cmpnent (cnnect with 2 ch amp sony*)

rear speaker : bazooka 2 ways

no subs.

the 3way cmpnent serves me well and sounds also quite nice

but i tink i nd a subs.

do i? and if i do, i nd 2 ch amps to tembak the subs

rite now i have 12'' caliber subs.but i dun hv 2ch amps

planning to buy 2 ch amps.

wat do u guys suggest?
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QUOTE(zennn @ Apr 4 2011, 04:18 PM)
3 way active set up la
4ch amp for vifa mid & tweet
2ch or mono amp for sub

dont worry about the sub side for SQ, better upgrade the 4ch amp to better one, as you already have good player and speaker
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Bro can a 4 channel amp use like this?
2ch for mid +tw w/o xver , 2ch bridge for sub... will the amp "die" haha? cz budget now.. planning to change to a better amp later DD C4..
and bro prokick mono ok? ls3000d

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if u want to use 2ch for mids & tweets u will need a passive xover

this one normal system la, many ppl use like this, very common, wont kill your amp, provided when u bridge mono the 2ch for amp, make sure its within the amp's specs. this usually means u need a normal single voice coil sub, kenot use double voice coil sub. also check if the bridged power rms enuff to match the sub's power rms

prokick i donno, never use b4...neither have any of my friends
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er sifus here bear with my noobness ><

I'm very new to this ICE thing and I'm driving a Myvi.

So I saw the first diagram posted Head unit then leads to 2-channel on left and right. So is it like I got Pioneer as my HU then the 2-channels are my speakers?
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QUOTE(IceFlame21 @ Apr 24 2011, 04:36 PM)
er sifus here bear with my noobness ><

I'm very new to this ICE thing and I'm driving a Myvi.

So I saw the first diagram posted Head unit then leads to 2-channel on left and right. So is it like I got Pioneer as my HU then the 2-channels are my speakers?
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hi..
i also new in ICE, n got myvi with stock HU and 1set soundstream component.
i heard my friend said its better to put the component set in front rather than behind. izit true?
Can i just add 1x2chan amp+subwoofer and component set directly from stock HU?

please correct me if im wrong..thanks

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QUOTE(yuz_pew2 @ May 6 2011, 01:05 PM)
hi..
i also new in ICE, n got myvi with stock HU and 1set soundstream component.
i heard my friend said its better to put the component set in front rather than behind. izit true?
Can i just add 1x2chan amp+subwoofer and component set directly from stock HU?

please correct me if im wrong..thanks
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I rather u purchase a 4cha n hook up to ur front component & sub. U'll be much happier this way:)
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can someone suggest me 4 channel amp + 6.5 component speaker ...budget rm800-rm1000...i listen to rock, indie, alternative, metal, techno etc...mostly rock la...im noob about this ice thing...so someone pls recommend me
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save up your money bit more, or else u end up with cap ayam only..
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save up your money bit more, or else u end up with cap ayam only..
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ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 29 2011, 05:33 AM)
ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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from the general opinions, focal are more towards instrumental/acoustic music. however i have not personally audited one fully myself, i think the pros would give a better opinion than i do.

that said, i think boston acoustics (american brand) does well with most rock, just like grados or allesandro does for the headphones segment.
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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 29 2011, 05:33 AM)
ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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Lately been poisoned by German Maestro, you might want to check it out...
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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 29 2011, 05:33 AM)
ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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Rock Genre Comp like RS Audio will be good or look comp with mid can play below 50hz like >25hz-2.5khz...
Focal Access should be for country & jazz genre without hard bass...
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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 29 2011, 05:33 AM)
ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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yes actually theyre quite ok, not bad for rock music as a beginner model....
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
from the general opinions, focal are more towards instrumental/acoustic music. however i have not personally audited one fully myself, i think the pros would give a better opinion than i do.

that said, i think boston acoustics (american brand) does well with most rock, just like grados or allesandro does for the headphones segment.
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thats what im looking for...i want speaker that can produce clear instrument sound... i own Alessandro MS1i...and love it...


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Lately been poisoned by German Maestro, you might want to check it out...


interested with Maestro also...possible to get Maestro with my budget?


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Rock Genre Comp like RS Audio will be good or look comp with mid can play below 50hz like >25hz-2.5khz...
Focal Access should be for country & jazz genre without hard bass...


planning to add sub woofer later...should be fine right?


QUOTE
yes actually theyre quite ok, not bad for rock music as a beginner model....


nod.gif...just want to replace my cheap 3-way sony xplod speaker...


THANKS ALL FOR FEEDBACK...appreciate it...


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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 30 2011, 10:35 PM)
thats what im looking for...i want speaker that can produce clear instrument sound... i own Alessandro MS1i...and love it...
interested with Maestro also...possible to get Maestro with my budget?
planning to add sub woofer later...should be fine right?
nod.gif...just want to replace my cheap 3-way sony xplod speaker...
THANKS ALL FOR FEEDBACK...appreciate it...
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german maestro, think of them as the sennheiser equivalent for headphones

both maestro and boston acoustics have low end models thats around 500-600 give/take, and of course have low/mid models that fits your budget of 800-1k

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oh forgot to add, boston lowest end model comp set (S60, the one im having) is pretty terribad in mid bass/bass in general especially if you dont have an amp to drive it. the mid range bostons i've heard feedbacks that they are quite good even without amps to drive (of course almost every speakers would sound better with amps to drive the mid bass)

lastly, be it boston or maestro, it will rape that shit sony xplod 3 way.

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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 29 2011, 05:33 AM)
ok...for now i want to buy comp set only...budget rm600-800...interested with Focal 165A1...izzit good for rock music?
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I have previously bought the Alpine SPR-17S Type R components which is within your budget, for spare purpose. I have no expectation on that Type-R component, until recently I plugged in those into my car temporarily, it's not bad at all..but must do tuning to make it sound good. I'm using IMPRINT profile for that component, upfront bass easily obtained, the midbass is strong and tweeters are somewhat fine after adjusting levels of it to reduce harshness due to speakers not run-in yet i guess..

anyone with Type-R components out there to share feedbacks? good for beginner smile.gif
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Hey how much for a decent setup like those we have from standard manufacturer?

Just HU and better quality speakers.
My budget is below RM1500. Is this budget reasonable?

My Myvi factory setup is just too sucky.
Can't enjoice music at all in car.
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QUOTE(genpaku @ May 21 2011, 10:38 AM)
can someone suggest me 4 channel amp + 6.5 component speaker ...budget rm800-rm1000...i listen to rock, indie, alternative, metal, techno etc...mostly rock la...im noob about this ice thing...so someone pls recommend me
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QUOTE(ckseong80 @ Jul 15 2011, 04:16 PM)
Hey how much for a decent setup like those we have from standard manufacturer?

Just HU and better quality speakers.
My budget is below RM1500. Is this budget reasonable?

My Myvi factory setup is just too sucky.
Can't enjoice music at all in car.
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I would say a good HU + ok speaker will do... forget about amp for the moment..

HU with good/enough RCA output is essential for later add in...
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just want to ask, today i will install a 6.5" comp in my saga fl, is it fit enough? o need some alteration to the door?
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QUOTE(msmancunia @ Jul 21 2011, 03:35 PM)
just want to ask, today i will install a 6.5" comp in my saga fl, is it fit enough? o need some alteration to the door?
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Look here to get an idea.
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Hey guys, newbie here. I'm planning to get a DVC sub and a monoblock. The problem is, I'm confused in the power ratings. I couldn't decide on which amp to get.

SUB:
MTX TR5512-44, DVC @ 4 ohms, power rating : 400W RMS, 800W peak.

AMP 1 (MTX RT500D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 250W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 500W

AMP 2 (MTX RT250D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 125W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 250W

I plan to connect the coils in parallel to get 2ohms. Would it mean that I'll get 1000W from amp 1 and 250W from amp2 OR 500W from amp1 and 250W from amp2? rclxub.gif

Will the sub and amp work well together? Thanks in advance. biggrin.gif
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AMP 1 (MTX RT500D):

RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 500W

You get 500w to run your 400w sub.

AMP 2 not enuf power.
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SUB:
MTX TR5512-44, DVC @ 4 ohms, power rating : 400W RMS, 800W peak.

Mean:- Each VC need 200w rms @ 200w rms x 2 = 400w rms, impedance (Ohm) will not effect sound reproduction by sub..

AMP 1 (MTX RT500D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 250W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 500W @ 250w each VC

AMP 2 (MTX RT250D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 125W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 250W @ 125w each VC

Above amp 1 & 2 can drive your sub without a problem coz each VC just need 200w rms.. Advantage between amp 1 vs 2, amp 1 required less current than amp 2 when play at lower freq...

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THANK YOU SO MUCH! rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif
How about for a SVC sub? MTX TR4512-04. If I have 2 of them in parallel, do I get a total power of 500W RMS @ 2ohms?(Connect to AMP 1) or... 125W RMS @ 2ohms?(Connect to amp2) DVC and SVC confuses me sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Oldskolboyz @ Jul 24 2011, 02:23 PM)
SUB:
MTX TR5512-44, DVC @ 4 ohms, power rating : 400W RMS, 800W peak.

Mean:- Each VC need 200w rms @ 200w rms x 2 = 400w rms, impedance (Ohm) will not effect sound reproduction by sub..

AMP 1 (MTX RT500D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 250W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 500W @ 250w each VC

AMP 2 (MTX RT250D):
RMS Power @ 4 ohms = 1 x 125W
RMS Power @ 2 ohms = 1 x 250W @ 125w each VC

Above amp 1 & 2 can drive your sub without a problem coz each VC just need 200w rms.. Advantage between amp 1 vs 2, amp 1 required less current than amp 2 when play at lower freq...
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OSB: How is it that amp 2 will have enuf power?
When you say each VC needs 200w and amp 2 only gives out 125w to each VC?
Help me understand.

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Preamp : Audiobahn AEQ6J
Speakers : Either MTX TN693 or Soundstream SF-693T
Amp : MTX RT500D
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Do these stuff mix well together? hmm.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 24 2011, 06:06 PM)
OSB: How is it that amp 2 will have enuf power?
When you say each VC needs 200w and amp 2 only gives out 125w to each VC?
Help me understand.
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Generally Factory stated 200w is the max power handling... so 125w just less 75w or 5/8 pwr rate.or 62.5% where it within optimal zone (>60%-<80%) pwr required, >40%-<60% save zone & >90%->100% fall under danger zone.... In SQ, we are looking at soft & wide bass without left out deep & dynamic where the bass can easily blend together with mid bass/range... Harder/thumping bass would't give U sound musical at all & deep/dynamic doesn't mean harder/thumping & loud bass..


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post Jul 25 2011, 02:04 PM

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amp 1 will be enuff power (500W@2ohm) for either sub 1 (400W rms) or sub 2 (250W rms each).

go for amp 1 with sub 1 lah.....

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OSB: He stated that the sub is 400w rms, not max.
so it should be each VC 200w rms.

Zenn: errr where got sub 2?
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post Jul 25 2011, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 25 2011, 04:54 PM)
OSB: He stated that the sub is 400w rms, not max.
so it should be each VC 200w rms.
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International standard practice, use max power handling to inform people from over power... especially in US, everything can sue, claim coz factory not stated properly. Big name like JL Audio also use it..

Can refer here, recommended amp pwr rms.... click at spec...

http://shop.mtx.com/p/l_126/MTX_Audio_TR55...er/listing.html

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actually the manufacture rated power are the power that the sub will be working efficiently. If going for SPL, amp power more than sub is a need, but if daily usage, minus 30% is ok. Depend on how you want the sub to work then select the amp will be more practical. if use really low power to feed the sub, might as well buy a cheaper sub....

400RMS sub will work as it is from 250-500 rms..anything below or exceed this range will kill the sub if you use it hard.

the RMS rating is the recommendation. Not a must to follow 100%. +-30% is safe :>

and for a sub to work nicely for lower freq below 50hz, u need at least 80% of the recommended power. the lower you gonna fetch, the more power you need. Underpowered sub tend to sound punchy while overpowered sub tend to sound boomy.


Added on July 25, 2011, 7:11 pmps, get kicker cvr from me if u wan loud sub tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Oldskolboyz @ Jul 25 2011, 05:18 PM)
International standard practice, use max power handling to inform people from over power... especially in US, everything can sue, claim coz factory not stated properly. Big name like JL Audio also use it..

Can refer here, recommended amp pwr rms.... click at spec...

http://shop.mtx.com/p/l_126/MTX_Audio_TR55...er/listing.html
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I think its just a diff in definition. Nvm la.
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auxdio vs maximo which one btter?or got better model for component set?
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both are brand or model?
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Jul 26 2011, 02:35 AM)
auxdio vs maximo which one btter?or got better model for component set?
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What's your budget?
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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Jul 26 2011, 02:52 AM)
both are brand or model?
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ops..auxdio vs morel

QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 26 2011, 11:15 AM)
What's your budget?
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erm how bout if let say worth money spend?
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QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 25 2011, 04:54 PM)
OSB: He stated that the sub is 400w rms, not max.
so it should be each VC 200w rms.

Zenn: errr where got sub 2?
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gpt laa.. later he ask about another mtx SVC sub, he wants to use 2 units parallel


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QUOTE(mfcm @ Jul 26 2011, 02:35 AM)
auxdio vs maximo which one btter?or got better model for component set?
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never heard of auxdio, so id go for morel...

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QUOTE(mfcm @ Jul 26 2011, 12:28 PM)
ops..auxdio vs morel
erm how bout if let say worth money spend?
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if he thinks 10k is "worth money spend", you also go 10k ya?
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haha ive already think sum1 might said like that.got frens of mine last time setup 2k ICE can on par with 6k setup.coz im not familiar with ICe thats y askin u all.coz heard if bought good hardwares but not excelent tuning then no good la rite?myb i can minimize the scope for mid level setup?possible?or still need budget also?
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Still need budget.
Your mid level might be 3k, mine might be 10k.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 26 2011, 06:13 PM)
Still need budget.
Your mid level might be 3k, mine might be 10k.
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laugh.gif ... suddenly you just revealed your mid level budget.
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jul 26 2011, 06:22 PM)
laugh.gif    ...  suddenly you just revealed your mid level budget.
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May I draw your attn to the word MIGHT. Just example mah taiko.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Jul 26 2011, 06:25 PM)
May I draw your attn to the word MIGHT. Just example mah taiko.
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based on your setup, mywifecar isnt that far off either brows.gif
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HU > 4ch > comps + sub?

or

HU > (2ch > comps) + (2ch > sub)

Which setup more worth? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ILikePie @ Aug 20 2011, 07:11 PM)
HU > 4ch > comps + sub?

or

HU > (2ch > comps) + (2ch > sub)

Which setup more worth? hmm.gif
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of course the 1st one. less equipment = less cables, n save space smile.gif
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of course the 1st one. less equipment = less cables, n save space smile.gif
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Which setup is better in the long term?
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1st one if you dont plan to upgrade anymore, 2nd one is more versatile in replacements/upgrades, however costs more, and takes up more space, more cables etc.
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To all ice sifus, im planning to set up my car with 2 component sets, 1 woofer. can i power my 2 component sets with a 4 chnl amp, and a 2 chnl mono to power my sub? smile.gif

im a beginner ice ><
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QUOTE(3vilb0b @ Dec 1 2011, 05:20 PM)
To all ice sifus, im planning to set up my car with 2 component sets, 1 woofer. can i power my 2 component sets with a 4 chnl amp, and a 2 chnl mono to power my sub? smile.gif

im a beginner ice ><
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The setup im planning
: 2 component set.
:1 woofer.

im just abit confuse of wat amp i shud use, as in
4chnl amp for my 2 component speakers?
and a 2chnl monoblock for woofer?

not sure whether its sufficient or not =/

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The ideal recommendation for path to a better sound setup would be following the steps below.

1. Decent HU capable of at least 2 pairs of RCA outputs and crossover control(optional as most amps have it as well)
2. Component set
3. Sound deadening on front doors or at the least minimum, speaker mounting locations, at least double layer(1 square feet on the inner metal behind the speaker, and 1 square feet on the panel where the speakers are mounted)
4a. 2-channel amplifier to power the component set
4b. Add on an amplifier and subwoofer complete with enclosure(box)
4c. 4-channel amplifier, front channels to power the component set, rear channels bridged to power a subwoofer.

Note that I didn't specify any rear speaker upgrades as they are not needed in a regular sedan/hatchback setup. Adding on rear speakers will most of the time only pull the soundstage to the rear which is not we want in a SQ setup.

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jan 10 2012, 05:21 PM)
The ideal recommendation for path to a better sound setup would be following the steps below.

1. Decent HU capable of at least 2 pairs of RCA outputs and crossover control(optional as most amps have it as well)
2. Component set
3. Sound deadening on front doors or at the least minimum, speaker mounting locations, at least double layer(1 square feet on the inner metal behind the speaker, and 1 square feet on the panel where the speakers are mounted)
4a. 2-channel amplifier to power the component set
4b. Add on an amplifier and subwoofer complete with enclosure(box)
4c. 4-channel amplifier, front channels to power the component set, rear channels bridged to power a subwoofer.

Note that I didn't specify any rear speaker upgrades as they are not needed in a regular sedan/hatchback setup. Adding on rear speakers will most of the time only pull the soundstage to the rear which is not we want in a SQ setup.
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not really la ... if u usually have 'guest' in ur cars better put some cheapo rear speaker ... then use ur HU to off the rear speaker when u need some SQ. Otherwise ur guests in back seat only hear boom boom boom ... cool.gif
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hi,
i have been reading from page 1 to here

I just wana ask....what is the replacement unit for alphine 9855 currently
117E ???

as 9855 hard to get i guess
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QUOTE(nomoredfox @ Feb 20 2012, 09:31 PM)
hi,
i have been reading from page 1 to here

I just wana ask....what is the replacement unit for alphine 9855 currently
117E ???

as 9855 hard to get i guess
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wow amazing, didnt think people would read through the pages thumbup.gif

IINM, 9887 is the 117e replacement
do correct me if im wrong since im not familiar with older alpine models, especially the higher end ones
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9855-->9886-->9887-->117

i think.
even 9887 new is hard to find nowadays.

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QUOTE(krayden @ Feb 20 2012, 11:34 PM)
9855-->9886-->9887-->117

i think.
even 9887 new is hard to find nowadays.
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den need to do some readings
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ops, i just sold off a 9855 to a weird guy, then i accidently got stock for 9887 and 117 is actually the replacement of 9887 with slightly lesser tuning features......

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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ Feb 21 2012, 01:11 AM)
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Hehe, got 1 9887 letting go, interested pm me
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Need sifu advice newbie for ICE,

if i buy 2 channel AMP and max 800w and the Subwoofer max 400w i got dual.
is it possible i using 1 channel 400w go for 1 sub with 1 cable? and another channel2 got with another subwoofer with other cable2 ? so is it possible to separate dont using 1 cable go to first subwoofer and extend connect to the second sub ?
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may be possible, however you wont like the result smile.gif
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just wire the dual voice coil sub to the monoblock with parallel wiring, the amp output will become double
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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jan 10 2012, 05:21 PM)
The ideal recommendation for path to a better sound setup would be following the steps below.

1. Decent HU capable of at least 2 pairs of RCA outputs and crossover control(optional as most amps have it as well)
2. Component set
3. Sound deadening on front doors or at the least minimum, speaker mounting locations, at least double layer(1 square feet on the inner metal behind the speaker, and 1 square feet on the panel where the speakers are mounted)
4a. 2-channel amplifier to power the component set
4b. Add on an amplifier and subwoofer complete with enclosure(box)
4c. 4-channel amplifier, front channels to power the component set, rear channels bridged to power a subwoofer.

Note that I didn't specify any rear speaker upgrades as they are not needed in a regular sedan/hatchback setup. Adding on rear speakers will most of the time only pull the soundstage to the rear which is not we want in a SQ setup.
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Chief, taking on the above suggestion, i really wanted a sub but donot want to sacrifice the boots and the slimmer sub amp is not able to fit under the car seat. current stock,

Sedan 4 door car.
Rear - 2 6x9 3 way speakers
Front - mid range and separate tweeter
amp - 4 channel

I feel like replacing 6x9 with woofer and pehaps installed 2 tweeter at the back, else ppl sitting at the back will hear boom boom only, unless I can play with the Fader. Anyone installed such set-up.

Thanks.
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install a small 8 inch sub in a small box instead
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QUOTE(wke002 @ Jul 16 2012, 02:17 PM)
Chief, taking on the above suggestion, i really wanted a sub but donot want to sacrifice the boots and the slimmer sub amp is not able to fit under the car seat. current stock,

Sedan 4 door car.
Rear - 2 6x9 3 way speakers
Front - mid range and separate tweeter
amp - 4 channel

I feel like replacing 6x9 with woofer and pehaps installed 2 tweeter at the back, else ppl sitting at the back will hear boom boom only, unless I can play with the Fader. Anyone installed such set-up.

Thanks.
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7"x29"x15" = 1.18cu.ft

i am not sure wat car you driving, but this box are designed to overcome the boot space problem for most car...it's slim and long....can fit to the inner part of the trunk...traditional square box will make the trunk space hard to allocate for some long goods carried...the above size is just a rough measurement...can custom to fit your trunk perfectly if needed

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nice..howie what total weight of the dom sub+box?how bout price can pm me?
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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Jul 23 2012, 02:21 PM)
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7"x29"x15" = 1.18cu.ft

i am not sure wat car you driving, but this box are designed to overcome the boot space problem for most car...it's slim and long....can fit to the inner part of the trunk...traditional square box will make the trunk space hard to allocate for some long goods carried...the above size is just a rough measurement...can custom to fit your trunk perfectly if needed
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pm me also with the price of box and woofer together..
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like to ask, how many pre-out(s) minimum required in a HU to support a 4 channel amp?
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Jul 27 2012, 01:15 AM)
nice..howie what total weight of the dom sub+box?how bout price can pm me?
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didn weight it, but i think should be 8-12 at most..


Added on July 28, 2012, 11:10 amstart to work from 2, if wan seperated front and rear/sub the 4.

sarcastic person will tell u it wont need a rca preout from hu to work....

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Jul 28 2012, 11:09 AM)
didn weight it, but i think should be 8-12 at most..


Added on July 28, 2012, 11:10 amstart to work from 2, if wan seperated front and rear/sub the 4.

sarcastic person will tell u it wont need a rca preout from hu to work....
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I saw this slim one but the woofer some famous brand comes to 1K over liao... I currently have 4 channel amp, and was told if get one of these woofer, still need to get one more monoblock something amp, total 2 amp in my car and this boom box ! thats why have leave it as it is. overall my finding still lead me to at least 1-1.3K, be it tube woofer with amp build in or woofer box with separate amp. those under the seat woofer/amp(of course not as powerful lah..) is going for rm500-600 range, more to my budget but sadly none seems to fit.

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QUOTE(wke002 @ Aug 1 2012, 04:08 PM)
I saw this slim one but the woofer some famous brand comes to 1K over liao... I currently have 4 channel amp, and was told if get one of these woofer, still need to get one more monoblock something amp, total 2 amp in my car and this boom box ! thats why have leave it as it is. overall my finding still lead me to at least 1-1.3K, be it tube woofer with amp build in or woofer box with separate amp. those under the seat woofer/amp(of course not as powerful lah..) is going for rm500-600 range, more to my budget but sadly none seems to fit.
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this sub can work well with 4ch amp. no need extra amp :>

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Aug 1 2012, 10:01 PM)
this sub can work well with 4ch amp. no need extra amp :>
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Bro, among the 1450 u suggest to me, the 24 , 34 is what? my budget is below 500 then okay dy~ can you give me a price together with the DIN? (single or dual DIN better?)

Sorry your inbox seems to be full. i can't reply you~ blush.gif
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Hi all,

Is this consider an active setup? Will it works??

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yes it is and yes it will. im assuming youre not using the passive xover in your component speakers. also provided the 3 way xover has the correct frequency range for tweeter
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QUOTE(zennn @ Aug 30 2012, 01:00 PM)
yes it is and yes it will.  im assuming youre not using the passive xover in your component speakers. also provided the 3 way xover has the correct frequency range for tweeter
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Hi zenn, not using the passive crossover anymore, will transfer the task to the electronic crossover.
What is the correct frequency range for tweeter that i need to look for?

Thanks for your advice. notworthy.gif
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around 2000 hz and above
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make sure ur electronic x-over freq is accurate. u dont want to fry ur tweeter biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(siauann @ Sep 6 2012, 10:56 AM)
make sure ur electronic x-over freq is accurate. u dont want to fry ur tweeter biggrin.gif
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hi,, Hi,,, how to know whethe the x-over is accurate or not arr?. And mostly the tweeter will need to put 1 component / resister or cap (something like tat) rite?.
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if your xover is intended to be used for tweeter then u dont need to put the cap or resistor on the tweeter.


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1--disconnect the tweeter
2---adjust the dial for mid lo-pass / tweets hi-pass filter
3---play test tones (e.g 1.5khz/2khz/2.5/3.......)
4---listen to teh midrange if can hear the tone or not

branded xover usually accurate so no need to test--------

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Hi guys,

I need some help here on my Honda City 2008 model. I am going to install the following to my car.

1. Pioneer AVH-4450BT
2. Alpine SPR-17S - front
3. Alpine SPS-610 - rear - powered by HU
4. Pioneer GM-6500F - bridged to 2 channel to power the SPR17s
5. Alpine SWE-1000 underseat active subwoofer
6. 0GA power cables
7. Caliber CR-5 RCA cables.
8. Dynamat 4 door + trunk - 1 box
9. No brand speaker cables.

I have an extra audio control xs4, is it recommended to use the xs4 and make the system to active and take away the spr's crossovers? Will this be a better setup?

I listen to trance alot and would say I like to be in between SPL and SQ.

How possible is it to shift the sound staging without time alignment? I used to have an Alpine 9831 but decided to go for one with video. I know it will not perform better than a single din unit with time alignment. Any gurus can help out with this?

Also, does using better speaker cables such as wireworld will improve the sound significantly?

Thank you.
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1---
2---
3---
4---
5---the subs going to be underpowered than front spk,
6---
7----
8----
9----

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Thanks for the feedback.


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post Oct 3 2012, 04:20 PM

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thanks..it was helpful..
but i do realize something here..mine setup was different..i guess..
got 1 HU..2 Tweeter..4x5" Speaker..1xAmp..and 1x12" Subwoofer..all the component installed under 1 amp..the sound boleh didengar la..so,possible ar my setup?
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post Oct 3 2012, 06:50 PM

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still possible,amp is 4channel yes?
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QUOTE(aeonic @ Sep 13 2012, 12:02 AM)

1. Pioneer AVH-4450BT
2. Alpine SPR-17S - front
3. Alpine SPS-610 - rear - powered by HU
4. Pioneer GM-6500F - bridged to 2 channel to power the SPR17s
5. Alpine SWE-1000 underseat active subwoofer
6. 0GA power cables
7. Caliber CR-5 RCA cables.
8. Dynamat 4 door + trunk - 1 box
9. No brand speaker cables.

I have an extra audio control xs4, is it recommended to use the xs4 and make the system to active and take away the spr's crossovers? Will this be a better setup?

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yes u can try to use the 4XS to play your front components active (connect mids and tweets directly to amp, bypass passive) but ONLY if u have the correct xover modules inside the 4XS. u have to check what the xover point is (high pass filter/low pass filter) for tweeter it must be 2000hz above

i also feel u can use 4awg power cable instead of 0awg and use the money saved to get better speaker cables
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post Oct 18 2012, 12:23 AM

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erm can anyone mind to explain what the diffrent between 2way full active and 2way full range?
erm are those setup same like diagram below also?

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post Oct 24 2012, 12:51 PM

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2way fullrange = 2way speaker (like tweeter + midbass) that plays full frequency range
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post Oct 30 2012, 11:43 PM

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Recently know a friend who taught me some info on ICE.

He does recommend to go for High-Mid-Sub setup than Front-Mid-Sub setup.

From my understanding (on what he explained to me), high-mid-sub (would be usually for the 4-channels amp to power up the midbass + tweeters (take out the crossover) and subwoofer either powered by another 2-channels amp or utilising active subwoofer.
Front-mid-sub would be 4-channels amp to drive a component speaker set and another 2 channels for the subwoofer.

Which setup is more likely to be recommended for SQ setup?

As I see, most ICE shop does recommend front-mid-sub setup. Is it because of the cost or it does sound better than high-mid-sub?

* Assuming the component speaker set is 2-way.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Oct 30 2012, 11:43 PM)
Recently know a friend who taught me some info on ICE.

He does recommend to go for High-Mid-Sub setup than Front-Mid-Sub setup.

From my understanding (on what he explained to me), high-mid-sub (would be usually for the 4-channels amp to power up the midbass + tweeters (take out the crossover) and subwoofer either powered by another 2-channels amp or utilising active subwoofer.
Front-mid-sub would be 4-channels amp to drive a component speaker set and another 2 channels for the subwoofer.

Which setup is more likely to be recommended for SQ setup?

As I see, most ICE shop does recommend front-mid-sub setup. Is it because of the cost or it does sound better than high-mid-sub?

* Assuming the component speaker set is 2-way.
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from your description:
id say front - mid - sub

however your description is just vague as hell and i believe you're getting the terms incorrectly.

also why would you take out the crossover if you're not gonna have an active setup/processor?

from your post alone, id say forget what your friend taught you about ICE
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erm..sorry guy,need help abit bout tweeter and mid range location..the location of those tweeter and mid range must be ventrical with tweeter on top,mid range at bottom?is there any prob if horizontal,the tweeter must abit higher than mid range?yeah it for A-pillar ..tq
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Nov 24 2012, 09:02 PM)
erm..sorry guy,need help abit bout tweeter and mid range location..the location of those tweeter and mid range must be ventrical with tweeter on top,mid range at bottom?is there any prob if horizontal,the tweeter must abit higher than mid range?yeah it for A-pillar ..tq
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tweeters typically on a - pillar or dashboard for those not wanting to mod a pillars/spend on custom fiber glass

mid (3 ways) typically below tweeters around a-pillar location too

mid bass (and mid for 2 ways) typically on the door kick panel
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yup i know bro the midbass on the door panel..jus wonder bout mid+tweeter on the pillar.coz the space between pillar and meter not wide enuf..if dont want to put higher on the pillar,will it be ok if put horizontal for both mid and tweeter?or the tweeter shud be abit higher than mid
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Nov 25 2012, 11:51 AM)
yup i know bro the midbass on the door panel..jus wonder bout mid+tweeter on the pillar.coz the space between pillar and meter not wide enuf..if dont want to put higher on the pillar,will it be ok if put horizontal for both mid and tweeter?or the tweeter shud be abit higher than mid
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so can assume you're doing 3 way setup?

well by horizontal, does it mean you're sorta putting on the dashboard? (by meter i assume meter cluster/instruments?)
sound stage wouldn't be too ideal, i think what people do is just place if higher, and have it tilting slightly lower

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can lah, ive used that way before on the jazz for competition, its all about trial and error before deciding on a final location, with some compromise of coz
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hi all bro and sifu sekalian,

I am having some problem of connecting my head unit (one pair of RCA) to 4 channel amp.
Act, my set up was done by one of the so called sifu at my hometown and he said dat his set up is damn superb whereby his set up with only 8 subwoofer is able to cover another competitor with 12 subwoofer.
If found out a lot of setting being done wrongly by this guy. I am using this 4 channel amp to run one set of component at one subwoofer.
He used channel a for the component set and channel b for the subwoofer. I found out that for channel b (subwoofer), he chose the setting as off instead of LPF. Act, which one shud be the correct setting for subwoofer? LPF or off? In my opinion LPF shud b the correct setting after going thru ice forum in lowyat.
I have drawn two drawing for ur reference. Currently, my set up is connection A but I feel that connection B should be more appropriate.
For connection A, i will be getting mono instead of stereo bcs he is connecting the rca (right side) from head unit to channel A for left and right sides.
So, which one shud be the correct connection? Connection A or B?
Thank you very much for the help!!!
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QUOTE(lozenges @ Dec 12 2012, 04:07 PM)
hi all bro and sifu sekalian,

I am having some problem of connecting my head unit (one pair of RCA) to 4 channel amp.
Act, my set up was done by one of the so called sifu at my hometown and he said dat his set up is damn superb whereby his set up with only 8 subwoofer is able to cover another competitor with 12 subwoofer.
If found out a lot of setting being done wrongly by this guy. I am using this 4 channel amp to run one set of component at one subwoofer.
He used channel a for the component set and channel b for the subwoofer. I found out that for channel b (subwoofer), he chose the setting as off instead of LPF. Act, which one shud be the correct setting for subwoofer? LPF or off? In my opinion LPF shud b the correct setting after going thru ice forum in lowyat.
I have drawn two drawing for ur reference. Currently, my set up is connection A but I feel that connection B should be more appropriate.
For connection A, i will be getting mono instead of stereo bcs he is connecting the rca (right side) from head unit to channel A for left and right sides.
So, which one shud be the correct connection? Connection A or B?
Thank you very much for the help!!!
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i guess Connection B shud b better as u'll get stereo signal for all channels. but hopefully d signal output from HU is strong enuf to be splitted.

getting a HU with 2 pairs RCA pre-out will definitely solve ur problem....

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Actually at what wattage rating one would normally consider his ICE as SPL setup? I mean there must be some kind of borderline between SQ and SPL? I dont want to waste money on the unused power by buying high rated one.

The thing is I plan to get good SQ + decent SPL setup but quite reluctant to go too far as to spend extra for upgrading alternator, adding secondary battery, those huge caps, other whatnot etc etc.. Issit possible? I learnt that grounding cable is a must so besides that I only plan on getting good component set, amps and sub+box as got quite tight budget around 2k at max. So which watt range should I aim, that consider safe for my battery health without those power upgrades? icon_question.gif

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Guys urgently, I got 3 RCA HU, 1 set com , 1 set 6x9 and a 12 inch sub n 4 channel amp.

Can this item all be a setup? Or I need another amp?
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Mar 24 2007, 11:47 PM)
I using sony HU. Type S. I forget the model. The fella bridge into one channel said it more power to kick my woofer. Then he mai bridge lor. But the component set, I don't think is bridge to 1 channel and i also not so sure.Cause i still can listen stereo sound. Hehe.. I guess not bridge the component. What can i do so that i can use fade and balance function?
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means can i use a 4 channel amp to push a 12" subwoofer?4 brigde to 1
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QUOTE(passionqaz1 @ Apr 22 2013, 12:48 AM)
means can i use a 4 channel amp to push a 12" subwoofer?4 brigde to 1
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very seldom got 4ch amp can bridge to 1ch.....
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QUOTE(Shortyeyek @ Mar 2 2013, 12:03 PM)
Guys urgently, I got 3 RCA HU, 1 set com , 1 set 6x9 and a 12 inch sub n 4 channel amp.

Can this item all be a setup? Or I need another amp?
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Can. Front RCA out can go to channel 1 & 2 of the amp to power the front component set. Then Sub RCA out can go to channel 3 & 4 and then connect the sub to these channels in bridge mode. As for the 6x9 speaker, just directly connect to the speaker output of the HU so not powered from the amp but directly from the HU.
Note that this is provided that your power amp has sufficient power to drive the component set and sub, and can bridge. If your amp does not have enough power to drive the sub, then need to get 1 more mono or 2 channel amp to power the sub. Then channel 3 & 4 can be connected to RCA out 3 & 4 from the HU to power the 6x9.

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