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post May 14 2012, 12:17 PM, updated 14y ago

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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
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League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 8
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03 ; 2011-12

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
1989-90 ; 1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners -----> 3
1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07


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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
The statue of former manager Bill Shankly, outside Anfield

Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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==> You'll Never Walk Alone <==

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When you walk through a storm hold your head up high
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At the end of a storm is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
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Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.

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You'll never, ever walk alone.


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All the best for the next PL season!

May we have more improvement on skills, teamwork, luck..whatever! ... as long as it translates into at least one trophy and a CL place. smile.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 14 2012, 12:18 PM)
==> You'll Never Walk Alone <==

http://www.unbase.com/n/5853623009

When you walk through a storm hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.

Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.


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KD move into the boardroon and hire a new manager that can get the silverwares!

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Hope this new thread will bring less argument/name calling for all the Liverpool supporter for both Kenny supporters & Kenny haters......
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ May 14 2012, 02:37 PM)
Hope this new thread will bring less argument/name calling for all the Liverpool supporter for both Kenny supporters & Kenny haters......
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I ike how you put it as kenny haters as if they are on the bad side.
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We don't hate him. We are just pointing out the facts....

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Sorry for shameless plug. I'm doing a mini bulk for the upcoming Warrior Home Kit. Will be placing the order tonight, anybody interested please PM me. smile.gif

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interested to buy the jersey...but the FREE t-shirt no stock already...might as well buy in m'sia in 2 months time
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Best of luck with the bulk order led.

Gonna try catch the swansea later tonight. Read somewhere Swansea had over 60% of the possession, doesn;t sound good.
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 14 2012, 04:05 PM)
interested to buy the jersey...but the FREE t-shirt no stock already...might as well buy in m'sia in 2 months time
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Yeah, though if you're S/M/L there's still stock for the free t-shirt. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 14 2012, 04:05 PM)
interested to buy the jersey...but the FREE t-shirt no stock already...might as well buy in m'sia in 2 months time
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How did u know that the FREE t-shirt is out of stock?

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Charlie adam is real class man, I really miss both him and Lucas. Adam made 10 assists despite his injury. His passes are sublime.. Imagine, him and I really hope Rasmus Elm at CM. ooooh... drool.gif

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Seriously, u gotta take a chill pill and stop with all your too negative thinking.....Don't take all the decision make by Kenny is wrong....

Me too don't like what was going on now with Kenny as manager where he certainly make too many wrong decision....But still, there should be a few good positive sign taking from our this season blip right?


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QUOTE(mAcInEt0sH @ May 14 2012, 04:24 PM)
How did u know that the FREE t-shirt is out of stock?
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tried to buy it this morning..my size XL got no stock already..other size i'm not sure..guess there were many fans with big belly like me laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ May 14 2012, 02:37 PM)
Hope this new thread will bring less argument/name calling for all the Liverpool supporter for both Kenny supporters & Kenny haters......
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Arguments are welcomed. As long as the points brought up are relevant to the core of the discussion.

As for bickering and name calling, seems like whoever doesn't support the notion of Kenny leading the charge in EPL will be automatically branded as traitors, fake fans, plastics etc and...... for that my friend, you have to ask the other camp. When ppl can't discuss a point maturely, they have to resort to name callings. That's what they do.

Yea, a little bit of sarcasm in the posts will light things up, but seems to me not everyone can take it. laugh.gif

Just to set the record straight, we the non-KD believers have never disrespected KK as what so called "True Reds" have been lambasting us all season, calling him to step down and give way to other capable managers is only so because we don't think he's got the goods to take us forward. 100mil spent and taking us backwards while getting leapfrogged by clubs who spent zilch and sold their best players to us. Acceptable to you? Sorry mates it's not gonna slide with me regardless of what Paul Tomkins wrote in his blog.

We almost got our asses kicked from the top 8th position and haven't sunk so low since 1954, where Liverpool got relegated from the old First Division.

To me, this whole KD era is reaching its end, I got a feeling that John Henry is a realist like a few here, who will not tolerate any nonsense or excuse from his subjects judging from the axes so far. I would love to see KD retain a position in the club as an ambassador but seriously, his coaching days are over.

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i heard on radio jes nau, skrtel asking to leave? ohmy.gif
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Stop listening to rumours. When LFC gives a statement then we can take the word for it.

to summarise how i feel LFC's performance this season: way too inconsistent.

KD needs to elevate his players going for top honours. Looking back at Liverpool's performances during RB era, the club miss that European flair.

LFC now needs to invest in world class players and not upcoming/promising youngsters.
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QUOTE(junky_man @ May 14 2012, 04:55 PM)
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Stop listening to rumours. When LFC gives a statement then we can take the word for it.

to summarise how i feel LFC's performance this season: way too inconsistent.

KD needs to elevate his players going for top honours. Looking back at Liverpool's performances during RB era, the club miss that European flair.

LFC now needs to invest in world class players and not upcoming/promising youngsters.
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Then you will be disappointed for sure. FSG's transfer policy for LFC as we know it at this very moment, is to spot emerging talents from the youth market and groom them to be the next Lionel Messi.

As much as i want it, sorry to say we dun have the funds to shop for established players or Snoop Dogg, (we had it at one time but blew it off completely) owners are Americans afterall and this whole LFC takeover is an investment game to them, they want stability and profits.

Im not sue if that Jonah Hill policy will bode well for the club, we used to have a bunch of world class talents in the youth ranks during Rafa's era but most of them have faded off from the scene just like Titus James Palani.

Looks like There's no one out there to supervise the transition of these players from the reserve league to first team. Sad indeed. We need to bridge this gap if we are to move in that direction.

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QUOTE(junky_man @ May 14 2012, 04:55 PM)
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Stop listening to rumours. When LFC gives a statement then we can take the word for it.

to summarise how i feel LFC's performance this season: way too inconsistent.

KD needs to elevate his players going for top honours. Looking back at Liverpool's performances during RB era, the club miss that European flair.

LFC now needs to invest in world class players and not upcoming/promising youngsters.
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I think it might be true. Skrtel isn't with us against Swansea.
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Then you will be disappointed for sure. FSG's transfer policy for LFC as we know it at this very moment, is to spot emerging talents from the youth market and groom them to be the next Lionel Messi.

As much as i want it, sorry to say we dun have the funds to shop for established players or Snoop Dogg, (we had it at one time but blew it off completely) owners are Americans afterall and this whole LFC takeover is an investment game to them, they want stability and profits.

Im not sue if that Jonah Hill policy will bode well for the club, we used to have a bunch of world class talents in the youth ranks during Rafa's era but most of them have faded off from the scene just like Titus James Palani.

Looks like There's no one out  there to supervise the transition of these players from the reserve league to first team. Sad indeed. We need to bridge this gap if we are to move in that direction.
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aww man. sad to read that.

It's like Newcastle's transfer policy under mike ashley. If that's the case, the scout and head coach have to be very good in selecting the players.


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QUOTE(Yluxion @ May 14 2012, 05:10 PM)
I think it might be true. Skrtel isn't with us against Swansea.
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C'mon, he and agger has an awesome partnership.

Coates still needs some time to fit in the defensive line up. Carragher can't be back up forever. cry.gif

Liverpool needs to find a suitable rightback to cover Johnson when he's injured. probably a left back as well to cover the inconsistency of Enrique.

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QUOTE(GrandElf @ May 14 2012, 04:33 PM)
@Rotuham

Seriously, u gotta take a chill pill and stop with all your too negative thinking.....Don't take all the decision make by Kenny is wrong....

Me too don't like what was going on now with Kenny as manager where he certainly make too many wrong decision....But still, there should be a few good positive sign taking from our this season blip right?
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Your opinion is that i am being too negative.My opinion is that i am being a realist.If the positives from this season outweigh the negatives,then you have a point.As it stands now,kenny's record is worse than roy.

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How did u know that the FREE t-shirt is out of stock?
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You will know when checking out after placing your order into the basket.
If the free t shirt is there, then it is available. If it's not then it's already sold out.

Basically buying size XL will automatically get XL size free shirt. Unfortunately, you are unable to choose to other size in case the free shirt is out of stock.
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argued till tired d. facts are facts. positive is positive negative is negative. judging from our objectives this is a failure season. if we to do a double over all the top4 but get relegated, is it considered a successful season? what about losing both home and away to the bottom 5 but became champions? in the end, results matter, correct? deep in our hearts, the table matters no?
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 14 2012, 05:25 PM)
You will know when checking out after placing your order into the basket.
If the free t shirt is there, then it is available. If it's not then it's already sold out.

Basically buying size XL will automatically get XL size free shirt. Unfortunately, you are unable to choose to other size in case the free shirt is out of stock.
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Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.

I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. smile.gif

Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK:
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 14 2012, 05:04 PM)
Then you will be disappointed for sure. FSG's transfer policy for LFC as we know it at this very moment, is to spot emerging talents from the youth market and groom them to be the next Lionel Messi.

As much as i want it, sorry to say we dun have the funds to shop for established players or Snoop Dogg, (we had it at one time but blew it off completely) owners are Americans afterall and this whole LFC takeover is an investment game to them, they want stability and profits.

Im not sue if that Jonah Hill policy will bode well for the club, we used to have a bunch of world class talents in the youth ranks during Rafa's era but most of them have faded off from the scene just like Titus James Palani.

Looks like There's no one out  there to supervise the transition of these players from the reserve league to first team. Sad indeed. We need to bridge this gap if we are to move in that direction.
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Borrell is the person that supervise the transition and he's now in charge of the reserve team. But the thing with our youth setup, the new education starts as early as the age of 8. So as it stands, the current crop of youth in our reserve team have missed a big chuck of the new education. Sterling was brought in at the age 16 and the likes of Coady were about that age when Borrell first introduced his ideas. I think realistically, it won't be for another half of decade or maybe longer before we actually see the real effect of the new football curriculum.

We really do have our work cut out for us this Summer. I mean where do you even begin.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 05:37 PM)
Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.

I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. smile.gif

Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK:
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Looks real classy. Keeping it simple is perfection. Love this. Can't wait to see how the away kit looks like, heard it's slim fit. If it is, defo getting it
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 05:37 PM)
Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.

I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. smile.gif

Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK:
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the red looks faded / more orangey.
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Sir Alex said, ManC is hundred years behind MU. laugh.gif
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Charlie adam is real class man, I really miss both him and Lucas. Adam made 10 assists despite his injury. His passes are sublime.. Imagine, him and I really hope Rasmus Elm at CM. ooooh...  drool.gif
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Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ May 14 2012, 06:10 PM)
Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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His performance in 1st half of the season look decent but his performance in 2nd half of the season is like sh*t.

I still hope KD will sell Adam and keep Aqua.
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QUOTE(Petre @ May 14 2012, 05:33 PM)
argued till tired d. facts are facts. positive is positive negative is negative. judging from our objectives this is a failure season. if we to do a double over all the top4 but get relegated, is it considered a successful season? what about losing both home and away to the bottom 5 but became champions? in the end, results matter, correct? deep in our hearts, the table matters no?
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Of course it matters but we've made a mess the last time we madee decisions based on results like sacking Rafa. Some people here thought it was the right thing to do. Look at us now, you could say that we're arguably worst off after removing Rafa. Put it this way, what if we fire Kenny then hire some random manager, and then few seasons down the road we find ourselves relegated. I'm not saying that will happen if we fire Kenny, just that being too result oriented can sometimes back fire like we did with Rafa.

You may think it's easy to work out but in truth, it is far from easy. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot and making decisions for the sake of it is not always the best way forward. If Kenny is out of his depth, then we as fans are more clueless than he is.

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Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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He is lazy at times, but much more productive than the lot of em. His technique makes up for his lack of pace, he's shown some skill in taking players on.

Here's another player linked to us, from Wigan. Mohamed Diame. He's 24, and plays at CDM. A good back up in my books, shown his creativity and pace. Seems good to me.



Honestly I wouldn't mind Martinez taking over actually, Wigan has been playing brilliant passing movement throughout the season. And the latter adapts that one touch football philosophy.


Added on May 14, 2012, 6:29 pmAnyone seen this yet? brows.gif



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Adam is obviously skilled but his lack of atheletism is a problem in high tempo game. But what's more worrying is his mindset. I can understand players mishitting a long pass every now and then, but Adam fails to make a delivery from a dead ball and that's a big problem.
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Charlie Adam for sure is very lazy in the field, which it may be improve by lots of training.
Still, with a good lecture from the manager will make him wake up..LOL
Btw, in the previous post, i mean "fans" but typo as player, it is some of the fans happy with his injury, which is cruel..=.= shakehead.gif
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pls no martinez for manager,,, he's only good for long term building squad while fan here wanna 1-season-win-title type of manager...

some ppl flame hendo,carroll,jonjo atm while their true potential will come 2 years from now on
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 06:15 PM)
Of course it matters but we've made a mess the last time we madee decisions based on results like sacking Rafa. Some people here thought it was the right thing to do. Look at us now, you could say that we're arguably worst off after removing Rafa. Put it this way, what if we fire Kenny then hire some random manager, and then few seasons down the road we find ourselves relegated. I'm not saying that will happen if we fire Kenny, just that being too result oriented can sometimes back fire like we did with Rafa.

You may think it's easy to work out but in truth, it is far from easy. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot and making decisions for the sake of it is not always the best way forward. If Kenny is out of his depth, then we as fans are more clueless than he is.
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Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 14 2012, 06:01 PM)
the red looks faded /  more orangey.
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Yeah, the Adidas kit is more to a dark blood colour while the new kit is more orangey, closer to our old kits.

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Why is it that our big players (The big Cs - Crouch, Coates and now Carroll) are the ones who could score overhead goals? laugh.gif

QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 06:30 PM)
Adam is obviously skilled but his lack of atheletism is a problem in high tempo game. But what's more worrying is his mindset. I can understand players mishitting a long pass every now and then, but Adam fails to make a delivery from a dead ball and that's a big problem.
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The problem I have Adam is that he's slow and I'm don't mean his pace. There's a saying in football, "The first 5 yards is in the head," unfortunately Adam doesn't have that. He's the type of player needs time on the ball and whenever he's pressured he tends to make mistakes. Even when he delivers that Hollywood pass, he only does it in 2 conditions:
1) He has ample of space ahead of him to push the ball forward
2) The ball is in the perfect position for him to swing his left foot

In the first half of the season you can see Lucas doing a lot of the dirty work, often relieving Adam from the pressure. But as soon Lucas got injured, he has been exposed over and over again.

As for dead ball situations and set pieces, do you still remember Ferguson once claimed that Adam's corners are worth 10million alone? laugh.gif That penalty miss at Wembley still haunts me.
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damn... I dont know how to post youtube.... Just the link then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRllRTMU51s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iEZ54XCk44&feature=related

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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any  excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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someone let henry know to bring Rafa back please!!
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As it stands now it's 59 people who wouldn't mind kenny leaving compared to 40 who want kenny to stay. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:24 PM)
As it stands now it's 59 people who wouldn't mind kenny leaving compared to 40 who want kenny to stay. thumbup.gif
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If football was a popularity contest, Lucas Leiva would have been sold 3 seasons ago for nought. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 14 2012, 08:23 PM)
someone let henry know to bring Rafa back please!!
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My opinion is that we should look forward not the past.
People said kenny had unfinished business at liverpool when he came and it turned out very badly with very little progress or lack of it.
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i voted wrongly. should be on 2nd. somehow terpress 1st. =_= bugger.
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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any  excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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You have no dispute from me about Rafa. I've always liked him as a person and as a manager. It pains me until today that we just ditched him like that. One could say you reap what you sow.

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 08:03 PM)
The problem I have Adam is that he's slow and I'm don't mean his pace. There's a saying in football, "The first 5 yards is in the head," unfortunately Adam doesn't have that. He's the type of player needs time on the ball and whenever he's pressured he tends to make mistakes. Even when he delivers that Hollywood pass, he only does it in 2 conditions:
1) He has ample of space ahead of him to push the ball forward
2) The ball is in the perfect position for him to swing his left foot

In the first half of the season you can see Lucas doing a lot of the dirty work, often relieving Adam from the pressure. But as soon Lucas got injured, he has been exposed over and over again.

As for dead ball situations and set pieces, do you still remember Ferguson once claimed that Adam's corners are worth 10million alone? laugh.gif  That penalty miss at Wembley still haunts me.
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I think you're spot on. He's not quick in the mind and this further handicaps him given his below average physique. As a result he often becomes ponderous on the ball and looking lost when off the ball. Xabi had no real pace but the quickness of mind allowed him to make quick decisions like sensing danger before it happens or the ability to create space when pressured.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 08:25 PM)
If football was a popularity contest, Lucas Leiva would have been sold 3 seasons ago for nought. rolleyes.gif
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Lucas leiva was young and had no epl experience when he came.All these so called british talent henderson,downing and adam had plenty of experience.Besides,we didn't pay silly money like we did for downing and adam.

My point is don't compare apple and oranges.People like to bring up lucas at the slightest bit.

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:26 PM)
My opinion is that we should look forward not the past.
People said kenny had unfinished business at liverpool when he came and it turned out very badly with very little progress or lack of it.
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we should look forward, but at the moment which top class manager would wanna manage liverpool other than Rafa? no top class manager would wanna manage liverpool now because they know they will be constantly in pressure to bring to club back to top four so they would rather manage club that has been in a stable league position.

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...kenny-challenge

On another note, according to OptaJoe, this:

"132 - Liverpool allowed the opposition fewer shots on target than any other PL club in 2011-12 (via @OptaJoe) #LFCLive"


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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:31 PM)
Lucas leiva was young and had no epl experience when he came.All these so called british talent henderson,downing and adam had plenty of experience.Besides,we didn't pay silly money like we did for downing and adam.
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Rubbish, Lucas came to us at 19 and it was not until a couple years back that people began to change their minds about him. He's now 25 years old.
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i heart roberto martinez is being mooted take over at the helm. any thoughts?
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Rafa's tactic in Istanbul..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=...n&v=4WDdM-jrgAY

Know your mistakes and learn from it...

The master tactician!!!


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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 08:36 PM)
Rubbish, Lucas came to us at 19 and it was not until a couple years back that people began to change their minds about him. He's now 25 years old.
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Didn't know 19 is old already rolleyes.gif

Lucas stepped up when mascherano left.He struggled with the pace of EPL and had the disadvantage of being compared against a world class midfield trio of alonso,mascherano and gerrard.

The criticism of him were justified but not the harsh abuse like ''he sucks'' ''he's shit''.
Besides lucas only played when one of mascherano or alonso couldn't play.Remember the 4-1 at OT.He played only because alonso's wife was delivering.


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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ May 14 2012, 08:40 PM)
i heart roberto martinez is being mooted take over at the helm. any thoughts?
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Just a rumor. Not sure where it originated from maybe because he's a Catalan and the football minds at Anfield are mostly led by Catalan coaches.
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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 08:42 PM)
Rafa's tactic in Istanbul..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=...n&v=4WDdM-jrgAY

Know your mistakes and learn from it...

The master tactician!!!
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Rafa Benitez, one of the greatest managers ever to grace the club.

It's a cardinal sin FSG is not rehiring him back really.


IRWT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:45 PM)
Didn't know 19 is old already rolleyes.gif

Lucas stepped up when mascherano left.He struggled with the pace of EPL and had the disadvantage of being compared against a world class midfield trio of alonso,mascherano and gerrard.

The criticism of him were justified but not the harsh abuse like ''he sucks'' ''he's shit''.
Besides lucas only played when one of mascherano or alonso couldn't play.Remember the 4-1 at OT.He played only because alonso's wife was delivering.
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The difference between 21 and 19 is not huge at all. They are still young players who needs time to adapt and discover their true purpose on the pitch. The criticism was unjust - he was booed on the pitch and there's no Liverpool player more hated than Lucas back then.

Henderson is going through the very same thing. "His passes are sideways, he doesnt tackle, he doesnt score enough goals". People are quick to judge because they only see what they want to see.


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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 08:42 PM)
Rafa's tactic in Istanbul..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=...n&v=4WDdM-jrgAY

Know your mistakes and learn from it...

The master tactician!!!
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That's brilliant! I've never seen that video. Thanks for sharing that.

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As expected but the highlighted bit in bold...

Skrtel named LFC Player of Season[U]

Martin Skrtel was today crowned the Standard Chartered Liverpool FC Player of the Season for 2011-12.

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The Slovakian clinched the award after fans voted for their star man of the campaign on this website.

Skrtel tallied an incredible 44 per cent of the 66,937 votes cast.

Luis Suarez was the runner-up with 33 per cent, while Daniel Agger clinched third after collecting four per cent.

2011-12 was Skrtel's most consistent season in a Liverpool jersey, with the 27-year-old cementing his place amongst the finest central defenders in Europe.

Our No.37 made a total of 45 appearances and helped himself to four goals, including a crucial equaliser in the Carling Cup final triumph over Cardiff City at Wembley in February.

Upon being presented with the award at Melwood, Skrtel told Liverpoolfc.tv: "It's a great feeling. It's my first big award at Liverpool and I'm very happy about it.

"I think it was my best season since I came to Liverpool and I'm happy with my performances. I hope I will carry on in this way.

"I scored more goals than in past seasons, and I also think the way I played was better than in past years.

"Thank you very much to everybody who voted for me. I will try to do my best next season as well and we'll see how I go on."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...layer-of-season

Doesn't sound like a player who wants out.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 08:31 PM)
I think you're spot on. He's not quick in the mind and this further handicaps him given his below average physique. As a result he often becomes ponderous on the ball and looking lost when off the ball. Xabi had no real pace but the quickness of mind allowed him to make quick decisions like sensing danger before it happens or the ability to create space when pressured.
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Average physique? That's very kind of you. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:31 PM)
Lucas leiva was young and had no epl experience when he came.All these so called british talent henderson,downing and adam had plenty of experience.Besides,we didn't pay silly money like we did for downing and adam.

My point is don't compare apple and oranges.People like to bring up lucas at the slightest bit.
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You're completely missing my point here. Why do people bring up Lucas' case all the time? Because it's the classic case where the fans don't know any better. All I'm saying is, if we left the club to be managed by the fans, Lucas would have been sold for free 3 seasons ago.

You pointed out that the number of people who don't mind Kenny leaving outnumbered the rest but truth is, it doesn't mean a single thing.

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Rafa is a legend. Either way, the decision is in the hands of the owners. YNWA
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Rafa Benitez, one of the greatest managers ever to grace the club.

It's a cardinal sin FSG is not rehiring him back really.

IRWT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now is it?

If Kenny leaves, although my heart says Benitez but my head says otherwise. Yes, no doubt Rafa will guide us to top 4 and get us back to one of Europe's elite. We will be tight again and teams will find it tough to break us down.

But will we win the Premier League eventually? I don't know. Rafa was given 6 years at the club but it was only in that half season that we looked like challenging for the title. Days where we struggled to create chances (As opposed to our woes this season, where we've created a whole load of chances but not scored) against the likes of Stokes shouldn't be forgotten.

Sure, you may argue that Rafa wasn't given the funds or the power to sign the players he wanted. However, with the current predicament I doubt FSG would be likely to spludge. Moreover, if he's going to report to a Director of Football, can they work together?

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 09:15 PM)
Now is it?

If Kenny leaves, although my heart says Benitez but my head says otherwise. Yes, no doubt Rafa will guide us to top 4 and get us back to one of Europe's elite. We will be tight again and teams will find it tough to break us down.

But will we win the Premier League eventually? I don't know. Rafa was given 6 years at the club but it was only in that half season that we looked like challenging for the title. Days where we struggled to create chances (As opposed to our woes this season, where we've created a whole load of chances but not scored) against the likes of Stokes shouldn't be forgotten.

Sure, you may argue that Rafa wasn't given the funds or the power to sign the players he wanted. However, with the current predicament I doubt FSG would be likely to spludge. Moreover, if he's going to report to a Director of Football, can they work together?
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Well we don't really have a DOF currently. But i can see there may be problems if there was one and Rafa's the manager. But its been awhile since his last job so he may have changed a bit or maybe even discover new methods. Slim chance but a chance nevertheless. Just think how players like Carroll can benefit from the hands on training of Rafa Benitez.

When people say we should look forward and not backwards that's simply not true with Rafa Benitez. He's a forward thinking manager and he's not restrained by football cliches. Unless you want the ultra extreme forward thinking managers like Jurgen Klopp, not that i think he would leave Dortmund for a club like ours - Rafa is as modern as it gets. People can argue all they want about his rotations or zone marking or lack of goals or even his ego - but his team was up there as one of European elites.

We were simply a force to be reckon with.
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Well, apart from the negatives;

Skrtel won the award. 44%

Suarez is runner up 33%

then Agger with 4%.

That adds up 81%. The other 19 shared amongst other players?

now having 2 defenders up the list. Hmm.


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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 09:38 PM)
Well we don't really have a DOF currently. But i can see there may be problems if there was one and Rafa's the manager. But its been awhile since his last job so he may have changed a bit or maybe even discover new methods. Slim chance but a chance nevertheless. Just think how players like Carroll can benefit from the hands on training of Rafa Benitez.

When people say we should look forward and not backwards that's simply not true with Rafa Benitez. He's a forward thinking manager and he's not restrained by football cliches. Unless you want the ultra extreme forward thinking managers like Jurgen Klopp, not that i think he would leave Dortmund for a club like ours - Rafa is as modern as it gets. People can argue all they want about his rotations or zone marking or lack of goals or even his ego - but his team was up there as one of European elites.

We were simply a force to be reckon with.
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I for one think that Stuart Downing would be the one benefit the most. laugh.gif Speaking of Carroll though, do you think he would make it into Rafa's team? He favours his 5-4-1 formation and rarely plays 2 upfront. There's a good chance that Suarez will be shifted to the right.

Well I know what you're saying about Rafa. I was a staunch supporter of Rafa, still am. But even so, I'm still unsure if he's able to crack the Premier League code.

Having that said, IMO it's highly unlikely that Rafa will be called for the job. He doesn't fit FSG's profile as they are looking for a young manager. How about... Cruyff for DOF and Guardiola for manager? brows.gif If only things were that simple.
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Well Cruyff as DOF is promising. He did had a fallout with Ajax's boardroom, didn't he?
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the second when the mancs knew their not champ20ns. sry, just have to post this. lol
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the second when the mancs knew their not champ20ns. sry, just have to post this. lol
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I for one think that Stuart Downing would be the one benefit the most.  laugh.gif Speaking of Carroll though, do you think he would make it into Rafa's team? He favours his 5-4-1 formation and rarely plays 2 upfront. There's a good chance that Suarez will be shifted to the right.

Well I know what you're saying about Rafa. I was a staunch supporter of Rafa, still am. But even so, I'm still unsure if he's able to crack the Premier League code.

Having that said, IMO it's highly unlikely that Rafa will be called for the job. He doesn't fit FSG's profile as they are looking for a young manager. How about... Cruyff for DOF and Guardiola for manager? brows.gif If only things were that simple.
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Remember Torres and Gerard combo?
Suarez can play behind Carroll.
(Gerrard can't play behind striker nowadays. He's getting slow as his age is catching up).

Can Carroll hold the ball in front? We'll see.

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 09:59 PM)
I for one think that Stuart Downing would be the one benefit the most.  laugh.gif Speaking of Carroll though, do you think he would make it into Rafa's team? He favours his 5-4-1 formation and rarely plays 2 upfront. There's a good chance that Suarez will be shifted to the right.

Well I know what you're saying about Rafa. I was a staunch supporter of Rafa, still am. But even so, I'm still unsure if he's able to crack the Premier League code.

Having that said, IMO it's highly unlikely that Rafa will be called for the job. He doesn't fit FSG's profile as they are looking for a young manager. How about... Cruyff for DOF and Guardiola for manager? brows.gif If only things were that simple.
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There's always that doubt led, even im not 100% sure of Rafa or any other manager for that matter.

With Downing, I'm not sure what Rafa will do with him. I don't think he rates him that highly because he's had the chance to sign him before and he never did. Rafa rates the player's mentality higher than their ability, he would go as far as to sign players with bad rep because even they have strong mentality. The only exception was Babel, but he was more like Rafa's wildcard - as shit as he was, he could still pull off the unexpected.

I don't think Carroll's would be Rafa's first choice to replace Torres but I remember him saying he wanted Keane and Torres up front with Barry to play on the left. That would mean a variation of the 442 formation, which can easily feature both Suarez and Carroll.

I'm all for younger manager but younger manager generally needs more time to develop their ideas. If we sack Kenny now, we will be most certainly not giving the younger managers time to develop their own ideas. This is the dilemma for us right now. But yeah, Cruyff and Pep sounds good. Somehow i feel we will be looking at the Spanish to solve our predicament. Which is why i think Martinez's name is being thrown about. I will not even be surprise if Borrell happens to become our manager one day.
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So guys,how is your LYN LFC fantasy standings?

I got 39 out 91 and totalled 1791.Not bad since first time playing it.All these while never had the interest.

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The telegraph has reported KD and SC have flown to Boston to meet up with the owners. The next 24 hours... Let's see how it goes.
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The news is all over reporting that KD and SC flew to boston for meeting. Guess we know their fate real soon. SC might stay but I doubt KD's chance after his latest outburst at the owners.
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The news is all over reporting that KD and SC flew to boston for meeting. Guess we know their fate real soon. SC might stay but I doubt KD's chance after his latest outburst at the owners.
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The telegraph has reported KD and SC have flown to Boston to meet up with the owners. The next 24 hours... Let's see how it goes.
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They got to fly to Boston? The air ticket ain't cheap.
There is no need to fly if Henry has his decision in mind.
So, I think we'll see King Kenny next season.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 14 2012, 11:52 PM)
They got to fly to Boston? The air ticket ain't cheap.
There is no need to fly if Henry has his decision in mind.
So, I think we'll see King Kenny next season.
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Well, I think two or three thousands quids of air ticket is only like what an average football player earns in less than a day, let alone the football club or Henry. biggrin.gif We might see Kenny going into management team instead of coaching. We'll see though, the media might probably have made a big deal out of it anyway. tongue.gif

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Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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Rafa Benitez's former assistant Xavi Valero is mulling over the possibility of a return to Anfield, after Fenway Sports Group made him a formal offer to return to the coaching staff.
The highly-rated goalkeeping coach (39) has been out of work since leaving Inter Milan when Rafa Benitez was bombed out after challenging club president Massimo Moratti to 'back him or sack him' in relation to transfer funds.
Valero has continued to work with Benitez as an assistant and like the former Liverpool manager, he continues to reside on Merseyside. 
Meanwhile, newspaper reports tomorrow (Tuesday) will claim that Reds boss Kenny Dalglish wasn't "summoned" to Boston for talks with club owners FSG but that he made the decision himself to fly out there to try and clear up speculation relating to his future before a planned family holiday on Wednesday.
Finally, former Liverpool target Eden Hazard has confirmed that he will be moving to Manchester in the summer. Premier League champions Manchester City are favourites to land him.

Source - http://www.koptalk.co.uk/201205144457/Live...assurances.html
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 04:01 AM)
Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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To be honest anyone who watches his tactical analysis on Sky Sports you'll be very impressed as well and it really justifies why he deserves a chance. I hated him as a player for obvious reasons but I gain a lot of respect this season after he joined Sky Sports as a pundit. I know it's just ultimately a TV show but he talks more practical and tactical side of football. For example, he spent 15 minutes analysing diving in EPL after Young's incident, such as how defenders' body shape should be and many sensible stuff, basically no 'talk cock' like those sitting on ESPN or even BBC Match of the Day. Last week he analysed England's previous tactical problems on Monday Night Football too. There are a lot more out there, it really shows how much of football knowledge this man has. Plus he's got UEFA coaching qualifications and he knows many of the big players in the squad. So I don't see why not.. Of course only time will justify whether it's a good appointment or not. We can just wish him best of luck. biggrin.gif


Added on May 15, 2012, 8:30 amSomething interesting.. Steve Clarke with the Fenway Group bosses watching baseball in Boston.. I wonder why I don't see Kenny..

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Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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i think the poll at this point of time shows 50 persons saying Kenny is not good enough and should leave.

Perhaps they can come up with some name to replace Kenny.

And asnwer the question of

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


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Added on May 15, 2012, 8:30 amSomething interesting.. Steve Clarke with the Fenway Group bosses watching baseball in Boston.. I wonder why I don't see Kenny..

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Added on May 15, 2012, 10:36 ambtw i voted: give him another year because everyone deserves a second chance, except roy of course...

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 15 2012, 11:16 AM)
i think the poll at this point of time shows 50 persons saying Kenny is not good enough and should leave.

Perhaps they can come up with some name to replace Kenny.

And asnwer the question of

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?

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See the space next to JHenry?  Kenny went to the weewee room......
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pretty much.

any new manager will ask (or demand) a bigger war crest, then the long awaited new stadium will just fade away.

Dalglish & every liverpool fan are dissapointed with the season (league). He did get it quite right or tick every box but who does at the first full season before those might remind me that mourino was pretty much a messiah like in every club he joined, i think mournino's nett spend is whistling.gif

let KD get a slap on the wrist, we work again.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 10:30 PM)
There's always that doubt led, even im not 100% sure of Rafa or any other manager for that matter.

With Downing, I'm not sure what Rafa will do with him. I don't think he rates him that highly because he's had the chance to sign him before and he never did. Rafa rates the player's mentality higher than their ability, he would go as far as to sign players with bad rep because even they have strong mentality. The only exception was Babel, but he was more like Rafa's wildcard - as shit as he was, he could still pull off the unexpected.

I don't think Carroll's would be Rafa's first choice to replace Torres but I remember him saying he wanted Keane and Torres up front with Barry to play on the left. That would mean a variation of the 442 formation, which can easily feature both Suarez and Carroll. 

I'm all for younger manager but younger manager generally needs more time to develop their ideas. If we sack Kenny now, we will be most certainly not giving the younger managers time to develop their own ideas. This is the dilemma for us right now. But yeah, Cruyff and Pep sounds good. Somehow i feel we will be looking at the Spanish to solve our predicament. Which is why i think Martinez's name is being thrown about. I will not even be surprise if Borrell happens to become our manager one day.
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There'll always be doubts on any new manager who takes over but Rafa's doubt is backed by the fact that he has managed us for 6 seasons. I, for one would be delighted if he returns, but I won't expect us to be setting the Manchester alarms off in the next few seasons.

You're right about younger managers need more time for development, in fact any manager needs a good amount of time to impose his vision.

Which is why despite having all these discussions, I'm still firm in my opinion that King Kenny should be given another season to turn things around. Many of us here thinks that there's lots of work to be done, which is true but at least he has laid the foundation to build on. In Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrrad, Suarez and Carroll I'd argued that we have pretty decent spine, something we desperately lacked of in the past 2 seasons. Many have forgotten than in Rafa's last season, our team was breaking apart and this was exacerbated by Woy's transfer dealings.
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Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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Who are the 3 players?
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bellamy cant play in every match because of his injury...
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 15 2012, 10:47 AM)
There'll always be doubts on any new manager who takes over but Rafa's doubt is backed by the fact that he has managed us for 6 seasons. I, for one would be delighted if he returns, but I won't expect us to be setting the Manchester alarms off in the next few seasons.

You're right about younger managers need more time for development, in fact any manager needs a good amount of time to impose his vision.

Which is why despite having all these discussions, I'm still firm in my opinion that King Kenny should be given another season to turn things around. Many of us here thinks that there's lots of work to be done, which is true but at least he has laid the foundation to build on. In Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrrad, Suarez and Carroll I'd argued that we have pretty decent spine, something we desperately lacked of in the past 2 seasons. Many have forgotten than in Rafa's last season, our team was breaking apart and this was exacerbated by Woy's transfer dealings.
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I'm in the same boat. I understand the disappointment some of us felt this season, but i think the team only requires a small adjustment and not a major one.

With Maxi and Kuyt almost certainly leaving us, it means we have to make a move in the transfer window to replace them. A bit of a downer but it's also an opportunity. A chance to replace them with younger, faster and more technical players. If we can inject a bit of youth and hunger in this team, i think we can a long way to improve our league position. There's never been a more crucial transfer window and there;s little or no margin of error. We simply have to be spot on.

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Agree. Hunger for the team.

But the main problem is that those two show more hunger then 'some others'
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Where are the Nay-ers?
55 and counting and NONE posted to answr this:

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ May 15 2012, 08:28 AM)
To be honest anyone who watches his tactical analysis on Sky Sports you'll be very impressed as well and it really justifies why he deserves a chance. I hated him as a player for obvious reasons but I gain a lot of respect this season after he joined Sky Sports as a pundit.  I know it's just ultimately a TV show but he talks more practical and tactical side of football. For example, he spent 15 minutes analysing diving in EPL after Young's incident, such as how defenders' body shape should be and many sensible stuff, basically no 'talk cock' like those sitting on ESPN or even BBC Match of the Day. Last week he analysed England's previous tactical problems on Monday Night Football too. There are a lot more out there, it really shows how much of football knowledge this man has. Plus he's got UEFA coaching qualifications and he knows many of the big players in the squad. So I don't see why not.. Of course only time will justify whether it's a good appointment or not. We can just wish him best of luck.  biggrin.gif
I agree. I'm not a fan of Neville but I have to credit him for his analysis of the game. I think he's a pretty good pundit and those that I've asked have said the same thing. I hate him but I have to give him props for this. It's rare that players turn out to be good pundits. I've grown tried of listening to the likes of Steve McMahon and Paul Parker.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 15 2012, 01:51 PM)
Where are the Nay-ers?
55 and counting and NONE posted to answr this:

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?
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It depends. There are some aspects to look at:

1) Is the manager making significant improvement and depth to the squad by adding quality players via shrewd purchases? It doesn't have to be big name players, you can make an average player to his strengths, (like how Rafa turned Igor Biscan into a monster) if the coach is good enough.

Most important of all, is the manager making the players play for him?

2) Tactical prowess and knowledge. Have the manager demonstrated any game changing subs or tactical swap that enables a team to snatch a victory from jaws of defeat?

3) Does the managers encounter bad streak eg losing 6 games on the trot?

4) Does the manager isolate and sell his good players and bringing crap into the squad?

5) Does the manager in any event demonstrated his lostness and haplessness by rubbing chins and sucking ziplines when trailing behind opposition?

At the end of the season, results is all that matters. The manager can finish fifth place and not qualify for Champions League but as long as you are not too far off from the league winners, isn't that a respectable achievement for a first season? That I can live with.

Look at things objectively. Look that the table standings.

People always think we are bashing King Kenny for no reason. If you compare KK's first season with Evans, HOullier and Rafa's first season...KK's season is horrible indeed. If it's not for the Carling Cup victory, the axe would have fall on him already. None of the coach mentioned above had a bad first season worse than what Kenny is experiencing now.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
It depends. There are some aspects to look at:

1) Is the manager making significant improvement and depth to the squad by adding quality players via shrewd purchases? It doesn't have to be big name players, you can make an average player to his strengths, (like how Rafa turned Igor Biscan into a monster) if the coach is good enough.

Most important of all, is the manager making the players play for him?

2) Tactical prowess and knowledge. Have the manager demonstrated any game changing subs or tactical swap that enables a team to snatch a victory from jaws of defeat?

3) Does the managers encounter bad streak eg losing 6 games on the trot?

4) Does the manager isolate and sell his good players and bringing crap into the squad?

5) Does the manager in any event demonstrated his lostness and haplessness by rubbing chins and sucking ziplines when trailing behind opposition?

At the end of the season, results is all that matters. The manager can finish fifth place and not qualify for Champions League but as long as you are not too far off from the league winners, isn't that a respectable achievement for a first season? That I can live with.

Look at things objectively. Look that the table standings.

People always think we are bashing King Kenny for no reason. If you compare KK's first season with Evans, HOullier and Rafa's first season...KK's season is horrible indeed. If it's not for the Carling Cup victory, the axe would have fall on him already. None of the coach mentioned above had a bad first season worse than what Kenny is experiencing now.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
It depends. There are some aspects to look at:

1) Is the manager making significant improvement and depth to the squad by adding quality players via shrewd purchases? It doesn't have to be big name players, you can make an average player to his strengths, (like how Rafa turned Igor Biscan into a monster) if the coach is good enough.

Most important of all, is the manager making the players play for him?

2) Tactical prowess and knowledge. Have the manager demonstrated any game changing subs or tactical swap that enables a team to snatch a victory from jaws of defeat?

3) Does the managers encounter bad streak eg losing 6 games on the trot?

4) Does the manager isolate and sell his good players and bringing crap into the squad?

5) Does the manager in any event demonstrated his lostness and haplessness by rubbing chins and sucking ziplines when trailing behind opposition?

At the end of the season, results is all that matters. The manager can finish fifth place and not qualify for Champions League but as long as you are not too far off from the league winners, isn't that a respectable achievement for a first season? That I can live with.

Look at things objectively. Look that the table standings.

People always think we are bashing King Kenny for no reason. If you compare KK's first season with Evans, HOullier and Rafa's first season...KK's season is horrible indeed. If it's not for the Carling Cup victory, the axe would have fall on him already. None of the coach mentioned above had a bad first season worse than what Kenny is experiencing now.
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You have to take into aspect like those years, we were elite teams with quality players. While now, we have not much of quality players and people starting to call us mid table team. You have to know that the premier league is getting tougher and tougher each year. these things count. I, for one , think that I am ok with both idea of changing/sticking with manager. I do question some of KD's starting line up though. Just to clear things that I m neither pro KD or anti kd.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 15 2012, 01:51 PM)
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If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?
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There is a very real possibility of missing out on a top 4 finish next year. We don't just have Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea to deal with anymore. Now we've got Man City and Spurs to contend with as well. Newcastle is an unknown because I'm not sure if they'll retain the services of Ba, Cisse and Cabaye who have been instrumental. They've made headlines and if the bigger sides come in, Mike Ashley may just be willing to cash in.

I've always said that managers don't always get it right at the first attempt but sometimes you only get one shot at it. It's why I sympathise with Villas Boas. You could see that he was trying to take the team forward by leaving the old guard like John Terry, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba on the bench but by doing so, he made himself less popular amongst the players and the fans. I do subscribe to the notion that things will always get worse before they get better especially when you try to make radical changes from the start just as we have done by introducing new players who by and large have been admittedly disappointing and a new style of play. If Kenny does get the sack or if he leaves by "mutual consent", whoever steps into the hot seat will have the unenviable task of putting is in contention for a Champions League spot, with a limited budget. The big names will probably not want to tarnish their reputations hence why Robert Martinez seems to be the name on everyone' lips.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2012, 02:35 PM)
There is a very real possibility of missing out on a top 4 finish next year. We don't just have Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea to deal with anymore. Now we've got Man City and Spurs to contend with as well. Newcastle is an unknown because I'm not sure if they'll retain the services of Ba, Cisse and Cabaye who have been instrumental. They've made headlines and if the bigger sides come in, Mike Ashley may just be willing to cash in.

I've always said that managers don't always get it right at the first attempt but sometimes you only get one shot at it. It's why I sympathise with Villas Boas. You could see that he was trying to take the team forward by leaving the old guard like John Terry, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba on the bench but by doing so, he made himself less popular amongst the players and the fans. I do subscribe to the notion that things will always get worse before they get better especially when you try to make radical changes from the start just as we have done by introducing new players who by and large have been admittedly disappointing and a new style of play. If Kenny does get the sack or if he leaves by "mutual consent", whoever steps into the hot seat will have the unenviable task of putting is in contention for a Champions League spot, with a limited budget. The big names will probably not want to tarnish their reputations hence why Robert Martinez seems to be the name on everyone' lips.
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Its the fast results mentality.

The worse that can happen with the new bloke is that the team does no better. Then what do ya do?

If we get Martinez to replace Kenny, i will be sheddiing bucket loads................Another Woy possibilty.
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You have to take into aspect like those years, we were elite teams with quality players. While now, we have not much of quality players and people starting to call us mid table team. You have to know that the premier league is getting tougher and tougher each year. these things count. I, for one , think that I am ok with both idea of changing/sticking with manager. I do question some of KD's starting line up though. Just to clear things that I m neither pro KD or anti kd.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 15 2012, 02:34 PM)
You have to take into aspect like those years, we were elite teams with quality players. While now, we have not much of quality players and people starting to call us mid table team. You have to know that the premier league is getting tougher and tougher each year. these things count. I, for one , think that I am ok with both idea of changing/sticking with manager. I do question some of KD's starting line up though. Just to clear things that I m neither pro KD or anti kd.
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I disagree with your opinion. I always thought we have good quality players in our squad but somehow the players aren't playing for King Kenny.

Andy Carroll was doing well for Newscastle before joining us, eventhough I don't believe he's worth that much. He has shown lots of improvement and hunger in that last few games. If he keeps on doing that, he will convert me into a believer.

Jordan Henderson, wasn't he an English youth team captain before? Again was showing lots of promise in Sunderland but not in Liverpool shirt!

Stuart Downing (Rotuham's favorite player) is a seasoned EPL veteran and natural winger? Played well for Boro and Villa but not in Liverpool shirt again!

Charlie Adam - carried the whole Blackpool team 2 seasons ago.

So, Players letting him down or the coach is failing in his job?
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1) Is the manager making significant improvement and depth to the squad by adding quality players via shrewd purchases? It doesn't have to be big name players, you can make an average player to his strengths, (like how Rafa turned Igor Biscan into a monster) if the coach is good enough.


The Biscan fix was obvious to all except Houllier who thought he made a decent centreback when his natural position was in midfield. Rafa played him in place of the injured Steven Gerrard against Bayern Leverkusen and voila!

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People always think we are bashing King Kenny for no reason. If you compare KK's first season with Evans, HOullier and Rafa's first season...KK's season is horrible indeed. If it's not for the Carling Cup victory, the axe would have fall on him already. None of the coach mentioned above had a bad first season worse than what Kenny is experiencing now.
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There are other some commonalities though. In his first season, Rafa's Reds finished 37 points behind eventual winners Chelsea. This season, we've finished 37 points behind Man City. In his first season Houllier finished a more respectable 25 points behind but we ended up in 7th, in what was a closely contested season as Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea lost less then 4 games.

Another interesting point to note is that in their first full season's in charge, Rafa, Houllier and Kenny have all lost 14 matches.


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If we get Martinez to replace Kenny, i will be sheddiing bucket loads................Another Woy possibilty.
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I wouldn't go as far as to compare him to Roy Hodgson la. I mean Martinez is firstly more articulate in expressing his thoughts and opinions. His sides also play more enterprising and positive football. He has been credited with how Swansea play and Wigan do sometimes look a half decent side and proved in the last few games of the season that they can play and stand toe-to-toe against the big boys. If anything I think their defence let them down and Al-Habsi sees plenty of action. Hodgson in contrast plays flat, negative football and you get the sense that he plays not to lose rather than to win.

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I disagree with your opinion. I always thought we have good quality players in our squad but somehow the players aren't playing for King Kenny.

Andy Carroll was doing well for Newscastle before joining us, eventhough I don't believe he's worth that much. He has shown lots of improvement and hunger in that last few games. If he keeps on doing that, he will convert me into a believer.

Jordan Henderson, wasn't he an English youth team captain before? Again was showing lots of promise in Sunderland but not in Liverpool shirt!

Stuart Downing (Rotuham's favorite player) is a seasoned EPL veteran and natural winger? Played well for Boro and Villa but not in Liverpool shirt again!

Charlie Adam - carried the whole Blackpool team 2 seasons ago.

So, Players letting him down or the coach is failing in his job?
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Let's be fair alright? True to certain extent, the boss pick the lineup. But on paper, we created enough chances. In this aspect, KD cannot be fault that the players prefer to hit the goalpost than into the net. Plus, the players also missed as much as 6-7 penalties this season. Whose fault is this? Again, KD can only do that much.

As for the point that each of the individuals mentioned above is classic star player in their own team, one only need to think that it is necessary for the players to take some time to gel together. Not everyone is a StevieG-Torres combo who clicked instantly. For now, it seems that after some time, Suarez and Carrol seems get pretty well playing together.

If you ask me, I would say, 30% KD's fault, 70% players fault. A coach can only do that much on the sidelines. At the end of the day, it's the players that need to deliver the goods on the pitch. If given chance, I m pretty sure KD would jump at the opportunity to take all those missed penalties himself. Unfortunately he cant... laugh.gif
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Kuyt claims he is being forced out of Liverpool

Out of favour Dutch striker Dirk Kuyt has put Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish in a spot.

Kuyt claims he is being forced out by Dalglish.

He said: "Under this manager I don’t have the feeling any more that he will put me in the side every week.

“I’m under no illusion about playing every week. But I believe I am still good enough to play for Liverpool every week.

“My physical stats are better than ever before.”

The Dutch star slammed the rotation policy followed by Dalglish for his loss in form.

“Last season I was scoring goals all over the place. But this season the manager bought three players who all played in my position," he said referring to Luiz Suarez, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing.

“In the rotation system he used, I never found my rhythm again and never felt my old self," he added after being kept on the bench for most of the season.

He made a plea to the Liverpool management to give him one final chance to bid farewell in style to the club he loved.


Man Utd boss Ferguson tells players to remember taunting Sunderland fans

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has told his players to remember the taunts of Sunderland fans on Sunday.

The celebrations of the Sunderland fans clearly left a bitter taste after Manchester City's shock title triumph.

"I am a winner," said Ferguson.

"When we lost the league to Leeds in 1992, the young players - Neville, Scholes, Giggs - came out that day and the Liverpool supporters were asking for their autographs. Then they (the supporters) were tearing the autographs up - I told the players to remember that.

"I said to those Sunderland fans who were cheering for City: 'Remember the day. We won't forget that. I am telling you'."
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You have to take into aspect like those years, we were elite teams with quality players. While now, we have not much of quality players and people starting to call us mid table team. You have to know that the premier league is getting tougher and tougher each year. these things count. I, for one , think that I am ok with both idea of changing/sticking with manager. I do question some of KD's starting line up though. Just to clear things that I m neither pro KD or anti kd.
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You raised another issue. King Kenny inherited a better team.
Who screwed it up?
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What's kenny's fault?

1)Narrowing his options to british players which has become irrelevant since early 90's.

2)Practising favouritism with charlie adam.

3)Failed plan to play henderson on the right wing ala ray houghton

4)Playing negative formation in the league too much. The 5-4-1 against stoke at anfield and the failed 4-5-1 formation with suarez as lone striker is a sight many times this season.

5)Blaming luck all the time instead of trying a different approach in tactics and training
''We'll keep doing what we have been doing all these and we'll get there with a wee bit of luck''-familiar mantra throughout the season.

6)Insistence to play players on poor form and low in confidence.Charlie adam,stewart downing and henderson are undroppable.You can include reina and carragher if you like.

7)Failure to give the likes of kelly,doni and maxi time to play when he always talks about squad depth.

8) The most important of all-failure to learn from most of the mistakes above by the end of the season.

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You raised another issue. King Kenny inherited a better team.
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I dont recall a side having Konchesky, Poulsen being a better side. When KD stepped in, Torres wanted to leave. Aquilani was already on loan... Jovanovich isn't his oldself...So, nope, I dont recall that being a better team than now.
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Instead of you telling us Kenny's fault - in which you have presented your case for the 100th time - how about you tell us what Kenny has done right all season?

Honestly, I find a few of your points overly negative and could pick out a few flaws in your argument but humor me for awhile with my question above. I'm sure you can find a few good points unless you truly believe that he has screwed everything up... which incidentally means that he's no better than Roy.

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 04:18 PM)
What's kenny's fault?

1)Narrowing his options to british players which has become irrelevant since early 90's.

Someone has to do it either way when the HG system come into force. KD took a bold move in implementing it first and now he gets the blame? Ouch

2)Practising favouritism with charlie adam.
Do tell me who else can we play in the middle with Gerrard out most of the time. Maxi playing in middle of the park? You must be kidding me. Henderson? We need a midfield general and being a general, you need experience. The prospect of Henderson and Spearing just wont work especially with Spearing so mistakes prone. And dont mention Shelvey, he was on loan before Adam got injured.

3)Failed plan to play henderson on the right wing ala ray houghton
Reminds me of those days Carra played everywhere from DM, RB to CB. Makes him a better player. Gerrard himself, played as DM, CM, RW, and even RB during early days too. At the end of the day, he is better at AM. All these switch helps to discover the best potential of the players. Versatility is also vital. See Valencia, Ferguson played him as RB!

4)Playing negative formation in the league too much. The 5-4-1 against stoke at anfield and the failed 4-5-1 formation with suarez as lone striker is a sight many times this season.

Argh, this...I mentioned before. People are forgetful. Isn't that the lineup, we played with 2 wingbacks the previous season where we whips in tonnes of goals? More strikers doesn't guaranteed you goals.Facts.

5)Blaming luck all the time instead of trying a different approach in tactics and training
''We'll keep doing what we have been doing all these and we'll get there with a wee bit of luck''-familiar mantra throughout the season.

Probably his management style? Of cos it will be stupid of him to bash the players in public? Eg: STUPID REINA FOR CONCEDING SO MUCH? Makes sense, no?

6)Insistence to play players on poor form and low in confidence.Charlie adam,stewart downing and henderson are undroppable.You can include reina and carragher if you like.
This I have to agree with you. He doesnt seem to trust the youngsters too much. Not sure why.

7)Failure to give the likes of kelly,doni and maxi time to play when he always talks about squad depth.
Kelly part is a bit hard isn't it especially when Glenny played pretty well throughout the season albeit one stupid backpass the other day. Doni doesnt grab his chances well when he was given one. No one but himself to blame. Maxi, hmm, not sure about him. His form seems on and off when he is on field. One thing disgust me about him is he tends to drop/fall at slightest touches in the penalty box. I however agree that he deserves more playtime.

8) The most important of all-failure to learn from most of the mistakes above by the end of the season.

I thought he learned? At least we din see spearing now. laugh.gif
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Please stop talking sense Sols. You're just making people angrier.
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On another note, hfi, are you ready for the day we have two wigan players/staff in our squad? Martinez as manager, Diame as midfield general. laugh.gif tongue.gif
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I've pretty much said everything I have to say about Kenny. Seems we're all going round and round the same bush by now. In any case, I came across this piece which is pretty well written. Although the author is pretty much in the same boat as someone like me, he acknowledges our shortcomings.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/05/why-k...erpool-forward/
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 15 2012, 04:44 PM)
Instead of you telling us Kenny's fault - in which you have presented your case for the 100th time - how about you tell us what Kenny has done right all season?

Honestly, I find a few of your points overly negative and could pick out a few flaws in your argument but humor me for awhile with my question above. I'm sure you can find a few good points unless you truly believe that he has screwed everything up... which incidentally means that he's no better than Roy.
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In a list of Kenny's faults you don't expect me to write the things he did right do you?
I may have said those a 100 times but this is the first time i am lumping all of them in one post.

You should have noticed i said in the last point that he failed to learn from most of mistake not
Since you asked,i will write it down.

1)Positive football unlike the football played under rafa and houllier which were too rigid.Even our centrebacks and fullbacks get involved in attacks.

2) Kept the defence tight all season with us conceding the third least in the league.It could have been better if not for reina's mistakes.

3)Playing bellamy on the wings which was a fruitful move.Bellamy is even better than he was last time.

4)Ending our trophy drought by winning the carling cup beating difficult teams on the road away.

5)Didn't fear dropping carragher for the excellent skrtel-agger pairing.

6)Protect the players from injuries which was a frequent thing under rafa.

Overall,the negatives still outweigh the positives which is why i don't want him to continue just like the majority as seen in the polls above wink.gif

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if KD leaves now, who is going to sit in the empty chair?
if can't get someone better, better just stick with him... recently liverpool dumb quite a number of management people... owner is working hard to clear all the debts left by the previous owner...

from my view, it really takes time for liverpool to go back top 4... major overhaul needed seriously... let's see how is lucas and adam doing next season... n hopefully hendersson and caroll can be more awake... =)
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Villareal are relegated from the league.. it's shame if liverpool failed to grab afew quality player from there
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Villareal are relegated from the league.. it's shame if liverpool failed to grab afew quality player from there
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More likely to grab players from wolves and blackburn.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 05:39 PM)
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thumbup.gif At least their players wont cost more than 20mil....Seriously if King Kenny can transform Yakubu or Stephen Fletcher into superstars, I really don't mind if we raid those clubs.



Question is, can he?

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Nilmar, Rossi, Machena, Senna, Musacchio, Lopez, Valero and Zapata... These players are decent players to be added.... Wonder why they can relegated with these players in their squad.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 05:39 PM)
More likely to grab players from wolves and blackburn.
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fletcher - 20m
yakubu - 5m
jarvis - 20m
hoilet - free
nzonzi - 5m

50m are well spent
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thumbup.gif At least their players wont cost more than 20mil....Seriously if King Kenny can transform Yakubu or Stephen Fletcher into superstars, I really  don't mind if we raid those clubs.
Question is, can he?
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I wan Fletcher actually... His goal ratio is not bad considering the services he got.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 15 2012, 05:44 PM)
Nilmar, Rossi, Machena, Senna, Musacchio, Lopez, Valero and Zapata... These players are decent players to be added.... Wonder why they can relegated with these players in their squad.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 15 2012, 05:45 PM)
I wan Fletcher actually... His goal ratio is not bad considering the services he got.... biggrin.gif
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If I'm J. Henry, I wont sanction any move to buy any English players. Expensive and overrated + we only have 20mil.

A move for Stephen Fletcher alone will dry up our coffers and wolves just caught a big sheep in Liverpool.

Will look for continental talents instead.

Haven't we learn our lesson already?
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 15 2012, 05:50 PM)
If I'm J. Henry, I wont sanction any move to buy any English players. Expensive and overrated + we only have 20mil.

A move for Stephen Fletcher alone will dry up our coffers and wolves just caught a big sheep in Liverpool.

Will look for continental talents instead.

Haven't we learn our lesson already?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 15 2012, 06:44 PM)
Nilmar, Rossi, Machena, Senna, Musacchio, Lopez, Valero and Zapata... These players are decent players to be added.... Wonder why they can relegated with these players in their squad.
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Raiding Spanish players? Think not hmm.gif

some might say they are good enough hence the relegation. sweat.gif
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Why not raid bundesliga? There are plenty of talent.Germany is the next best thing to spain.

Newcastle got papiss cisse from bundesliga.He was the second top scorer there before coming to EPL.

Even united are looking to buy kagawa.

I doubt kenny will do that since he likes british players too much.
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3 managers in just 3 seasons, let this be a lesson for people on not changing your manager after 1 bad season
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Not entirely true.

Should have stick with Rafa a little longer and sack clueless chin rubbing Woy THE MOMENT when FSG first came in. Why wait until the summer?

I think majority of Liverpool fans have a serious problem of identifying and distinguishing between a bad coach and a good coach.

I think the ROT began after we sacked Rafa and until now it is not showing any signs of improvement.

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Raiding Spanish players? Think not hmm.gif

some might say they are good enough hence the relegation.  sweat.gif
But their salary.... I don't think any will be considered
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Meh...If only Senna is a few years younger...I dont mind taking him... Add some steel to the sissy midfielders we have...
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I m not pro KD , not anti KD...I m neutral. If anyone disagree with my opinion, they are entitled to. As long as they dont throw in personal attacks and insult, any argument/discussion is welcomed.

On another note, hfi, are you ready for the day we have two wigan players/staff in our squad? Martinez as manager, Diame as midfield general. laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Can't say i'll be thrilled but you never know. Valencia hired Rafa (after 3 other managers turned them down) when he had no experience managing the big clubs. Not saying we gonna win the league with someone like Martinez, but you just never know until you try. I've not seen Diame played so i've no idea what he's like. Have you seen much of him ?
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 06:15 PM)
Why not raid bundesliga? There are plenty of talent.Germany is the next best thing to spain.

Newcastle got papiss cisse from bundesliga.He was the second top scorer there before coming to EPL.

Even united are looking to buy kagawa.

I doubt kenny will do that since he likes british players too much.
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i like the idea of raiding from germany league.. some player like gundogan, lasogga, holtby, schurrle really caught my eye when watchin in youtube.. know using youtube as scouting material is a joke but it's better than using money-ball method...
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 15 2012, 06:28 PM)
Can't say i'll be thrilled but you never know. Valencia hired Rafa (after 3 other managers turned them down) when he had no experience managing the big clubs. Not saying we gonna win the league with someone like Martinez, but you just never know until you try. I've not seen Diame played so i've no idea what he's like. Have you seen much of him ?
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Nope... On youtube he looks decent though. Then again, anyone can look like Messi in youtube. Eg, Downing. tongue.gif
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fletcher - 20m
yakubu - 5m
jarvis - 20m
hoilet - free
nzonzi - 5m

50m are well spent
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well, hoilet is definitely worth the poach. But when you look at the potential lists,

Dempsey?
Belhanda?
Nigel De Jong?
Tiote?
Huntelaar?
Wolfswinkel?

Hell, I don't know.

But one thing for sure, we really need to have a peek at our own backroom staff line up.

Like, guys, have you actually seen our backstaff line up? Like really? Please?

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Lots of rumours that Kenny has walked/got the sack, but just rumours.
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yeah, but waiting for a few to have a say;

Fairclough, Durand, Tomkins, etc.
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i like the idea of raiding from germany league.. some player like gundogan, lasogga, holtby, schurrle really caught my eye when watchin in youtube.. know using youtube as scouting material is a joke but it's better than using money-ball method...
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How about Joey Barton? Surely can get him cheap especially with him potentially ban for 10 matches. #troll
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 15 2012, 07:12 PM)
yeah, but waiting for a few to have a say;

Fairclough, Durand, Tomkins, etc.
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rumours are rife about kenny getting sacked
nothing concrete yet. i oni know he cuti after meeting with US bosses
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QUOTE(Jejilat @ May 15 2012, 07:23 PM)
rumours are rife about kenny getting sacked
nothing concrete yet. i oni know he cuti after meeting with US bosses
if true, au revoir kenny bye.gif
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Apparently Kenny is on his way back to the UK now. Read from BBC news correspondent that "Liverpool FC are refusing to either confirm or deny speculation that Dalglish has resigned as manager. Boston review due soon." Even read somewhere that Rafa might be back and Henry wants Roberto Martinez to coach alongside him. LOL! (update: probably not true) Anyway, don't like all the uncertainty surrounding the team right now.

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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ May 15 2012, 08:02 PM)
Apparently Kenny is on his way back to the UK now. Read from BBC news correspondent that "Liverpool FC are refusing to either confirm or deny speculation that Dalglish has resigned as manager. Boston review due soon." Even read somewhere that Rafa might be back and Henry wants Roberto Martinez to coach alongside him. LOL! (update: probably not true) Anyway, don't like all the uncertainty surrounding the team right now.
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Rumours will always be rumours because I've heard that Kenny steps down but Steve Clarke stays and Brendan Rogers comes in as manager. Rumours also he left US quickly because he's going for holiday tomorrow.

Look at this, everyone hears different news! So I guess we should take everything with a pinch of salt at the moment.

I think it will become clearer in the next 24 hours.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 15 2012, 08:10 PM)
Rumours will always be rumours because I've heard that Kenny steps down but Steve Clarke stays and Brendan Rogers comes in as manager. Rumours also he left US quickly because he's going for holiday tomorrow.

Look at this, everyone hears different news! So I guess we should take everything with a pinch of salt at the moment.

I think it will become clearly in the next 24 hours.
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a good tweet:

if they're gonna sack him, why bother fly him 10,000 miles just to say that?
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a good tweet:

if they're gonna sack him, why bother fly him 10,000 miles just to say that?
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I can just imagine it. "Kenny thanks for coming .. you're fired" lol

On a serious note, aren't we going to the US for pre season ? Kenny going down there probably means he's just meeting people. Formalities etc. And i thought his son resides in the US now. I seriously doubt he went to the US just to talk about his future at the club. I mean even Rafa wasn't that desperate.

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 15 2012, 08:39 PM)
a good tweet:

if they're gonna sack him, why bother fly him 10,000 miles just to say that?
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Well if they are going to sack him, I think this is more dignified and respectable than a phone call.
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Certainly not more dignified than them going to England to inform him. Its like asking a person to fold his own knot to hang himself.
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Well either that. Or Kenny has decided to walk. And i'm sure a man of his class would rather see say it to their face rather than wait around.

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a good tweet:

if they're gonna sack him, why bother fly him 10,000 miles just to say that?
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I doubt FSG will sack KD as he is still respected by most fan due to his legend status.

Most probably FSG will either let KD remain as Liverpool manager next season or offer him with other position in the club.

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If Kenny does step down, here's a list of viable candidates.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/featur...es-and-m-172114?

Funny Martinez isn't there.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 15 2012, 08:58 PM)
I can just imagine it. "Kenny thanks for coming .. you're fired" lol

On a serious note, aren't we going to the US for pre season ? Kenny going down there probably means he's just meeting people. Formalities etc. And i thought his son resides in the US now. I seriously doubt he went to the US just to talk about his future at the club. I mean even Rafa wasn't that desperate.
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A phone call is much worse, no?
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Apparently, Kenny decides to head home fast. Clarke stayed back, rejoins wife in Miami for holiday.

IF, and IF FSG doesn't sack KD, (which I hope they don't), then the past few hours or so, FSG has trolled every single fan.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
If Kenny does step down, here's a list of viable candidates.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/featur...es-and-m-172114?

Funny Martinez isn't there.
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Moyes ? haha these people are really taking the piss. Also some of those names are quite unrealistic. Klopp said no to Chelsea and I think AVB is taking the Roma job.

But if we could get Jurgen Klopp i'd be over the moon. Dortmund plays somewhat like Rafa's team but on steroids. Kagawa plays like Gerrard under Rafa - free role to roam. "Chaotic high tempo" as one article described their pressing game. Their current setup is somewhat like Arsenal, young - pacey - technical. If plan A doesnt work, their plan B was to simply run even more lol.
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I believe LFC hv not fired any manager. All left with mutual consent. Its more or less the same as fired but both side agree to do it gracefully (plus sum money changing hand as compensation).

So I doubt we will be hearing firing news but if KK really is going then I xpect an announcement from both party informing us about the mutual separation.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 15 2012, 08:58 PM)
I can just imagine it. "Kenny thanks for coming .. you're fired" lol

On a serious note, aren't we going to the US for pre season ? Kenny going down there probably means he's just meeting people. Formalities etc. And i thought his son resides in the US now. I seriously doubt he went to the US just to talk about his future at the club. I mean even Rafa wasn't that desperate.
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i thought Henry did not summon KD to US, its KD who wanted to go to US to ask the owner about his future at the club. but i got a feeling that KD already stepped down from the club, if not why does the club refuse to comment on it?
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 15 2012, 10:02 PM)
Moyes ? haha these people are really taking the piss. Also some of those names are quite unrealistic. Klopp said no to Chelsea and I think AVB is taking the Roma job.

But if we could get Jurgen Klopp i'd be over the moon. Dortmund plays somewhat like Rafa's team but on steroids. Kagawa plays like Gerrard under Rafa - free role to roam. "Chaotic high tempo" as one article described their pressing game. Their current setup is somewhat like Arsenal, young - pacey - technical. If plan A doesnt work, their plan B was to simply run even more lol.
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Don't see AVB coming either as he's set to replace Enrique at Roma. The realistic options in that list Rafa and Rodgers though the latter will be somewhat of a risk given his inexperience. My apprehension of Rafa stems from the fact the he micromanages when I'd prefer players to be given more freedom and flexibility on the pitch. When we talk of Rafa, we think about his Valencia side that came to Anfield and played us off the park. Unfortunately there werent too many times we showed the same pedigree. Still, with more money to spend and owners who are willing to stay in the background, who knows?
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 10:11 PM)
i thought Henry did not summon KD to US, its KD who wanted to go to US to ask the owner about his future at the club. but i got a feeling that KD already stepped down from the club, if not why does the club refuse to comment on it?
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I agree. If KD keeps the job, then there's no point for the club to deny it.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 11:11 PM)
i thought Henry did not summon KD to US, its KD who wanted to go to US to ask the owner about his future at the club. but i got a feeling that KD already stepped down from the club, if not why does the club refuse to comment on it?
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Well LFC can't make an announcement... I mean, LFC's Director of Communication got fired. LOL
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i believe the only reason KD step down is because the owners is not satisfied with the direction the club is going and KD feels he might have bring the club down so hence he stepped down..
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Check out the latest episode of The Anfield Wrap:
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2012, 10:13 PM)
Don't see AVB coming either as he's set to replace Enrique at Roma. The realistic options in that list Rafa and Rodgers though the latter will be somewhat of a risk given his inexperience. My apprehension of Rafa stems from the fact the he micromanages when I'd prefer players to be given more freedom and flexibility on the pitch. When we talk of Rafa, we think about his Valencia side that came to Anfield and played us off the park. Unfortunately there werent too many times we showed the same pedigree. Still, with more money to spend and owners who are willing to stay in the background, who knows?
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Yeah there's a lot of ifs and buts when it comes to Rafa. As much i admire the man, i too have doubts whether or not he's the best person to rejuvenate this club. I mean its like back when Rafa was first hired and we were looking at Kenny to take the reign. I would still take him back but not after we have thoroughly looked around. I look at what Bielsa have done at A. Bilbao, making them play fantastic football. I look at how Dortmund out of desperation giving Klopp the chance to do his thing and now Dortmund are a force to be reckoned with. Then there's Rodgers who's made Swansea an average team that cost peanuts compared to our team and they play good football. Someone out there is the perfect candidate for the Liverpool job. We can only hope the club is working day and night looking for him - whoever he is.

PS: It's worth mentioning some of those teams don't just become what they are now over nights. It took Kopp several years to develop his ideas - his team finishing 6th in his first season. Who knows maybe Kenny simply needs time to develop his.

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A statement from the club will be released in an hour about Kenny...
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Who can ever forget this man. The man who made Liverpool the way it is today, if anyone deserves more than a second chance it's the King.

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Paul Dalgish:

"The last thing my dad wants is to leave at this stage. More than anything he wants a chance to consolidate and better upon what has gone on this season. He has a long-term plan, and in my opinion, it would be incredibly short sighted - and also extremely telling - if he didn't get a chance to execute it. I'm confident he will get that chance but it's not down to us."
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A point to ponder - i read with much emotion, desperation, and sheer frustration, that Malaga is able to clinch 4th place in La Liga and qualify for CL, but what has transpired in Liverpool is pure question, question and question...sure Malaga is playing in Spain, but they achieved what their owner set-out early - that they need to spend smart, despite relatively modest investment by bringing in Toulalan, Demichelis, Baptista (flop from Arsenal) and Horseface...together with a young and enterprising coach Manuel Pellegrini, their achievement is something akin to wet dream for Reds fan...Unlike ManCiteh....their sheikh is relatively modest, shrewd in fact if i look at their control acquisition - Toulalan cost not more than 10 million euros...joris mathijsen for 2.2 million, Demichelis for 2.5 million +/- and Horseface for FREE.... Malaga is able to mould a team capable of challenging in La Liga...of course the domination will alwiz be Real or Barca, but it's nice and a tad more interesting for colourful team like Malaga to give them a run for their money...but the morale of the story is, Malaga need at least 2 season before they are able to clinch CL...they finished 11th before the current campaign. As much that I am dissapointed with our standing and in our signings, i really hope KD will be given his crack at the title next season...for i know that KD is absorbing all the pressure now..which is essential for rebuilding...i cant foresee another rookie manager to withstand what KD did and start a proper rebuilding...no way..even a veteran Hodgson cant outlive 6 months on the job. Having said this, also hope that FSG can make available substantial investment for KD, no point backing someone but have his hands tied..no?
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im sad. we were going somewhere.

nevertheless, back to the old drawing board.


Added on May 16, 2012, 12:37 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
If Kenny does step down, here's a list of viable candidates.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/featur...es-and-m-172114?

Funny Martinez isn't there.
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when everyone wanted rafa to leave, in came old woy and everyone cried...
if kenny leaves, no high profile manager will want to take the job...
tho i can think of one lower table manager who just got sacked recently in the form of alex mcleish...
let all your nightmares come true...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 16 2012, 12:55 AM)
when everyone wanted rafa to leave, in came old woy and everyone cried...
if kenny leaves, no high profile manager will want to take the job...
tho i can think of one lower table manager who just got sacked recently in the form of alex mcleish...
let all your nightmares come true...
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maybe guardiola got tired of winning and decided to come to Liverpool? lol

srsly KD made me so sad. I wanted to buy a jersey with his name on it earlier. i think i'll opt for carroll now hahaha
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What's kenny's fault?

1)Narrowing his options to british players which has become irrelevant since early 90's.
Someone has to do it either way when the HG system come into force. KD took a bold move in implementing it first and now he gets the blame? Ouch

2)Practising favouritism with charlie adam.
Do tell me who else can we play in the middle with Gerrard out most of the time. Maxi playing in middle of the park? You must be kidding me. Henderson? We need a midfield general and being a general, you need experience. The prospect of Henderson and Spearing just wont work especially with Spearing so mistakes prone. And dont mention Shelvey, he was on loan before Adam got injured.

3)Failed plan to play henderson on the right wing ala ray houghton
Reminds me of those days Carra played everywhere from DM, RB to CB. Makes him a better player. Gerrard himself, played as DM, CM, RW, and even RB during early days too. At the end of the day, he is better at AM. All these switch helps to discover the best potential of the players. Versatility is also vital. See Valencia, Ferguson played him as RB!

4)Playing negative formation in the league too much. The 5-4-1 against stoke at anfield and the failed 4-5-1 formation with suarez as lone striker is a sight many times this season.
Argh, this...I mentioned before. People are forgetful. Isn't that the lineup, we played with 2 wingbacks the previous season where we whips in tonnes of goals? More strikers doesn't guaranteed you goals.Facts.

5)Blaming luck all the time instead of trying a different approach in tactics and training
''We'll keep doing what we have been doing all these and we'll get there with a wee bit of luck''-familiar mantra throughout the season.
Probably his management style? Of cos it will be stupid of him to bash the players in public? Eg: STUPID REINA FOR CONCEDING SO MUCH? Makes sense, no?

6)Insistence to play players on poor form and low in confidence.Charlie adam,stewart downing and henderson are undroppable.You can include reina and carragher if you like.

This I have to agree with you. He doesnt seem to trust the youngsters too much. Not sure why.

7)Failure to give the likes of kelly,doni and maxi time to play when he always talks about squad depth.
Kelly part is a bit hard isn't it especially when Glenny played pretty well throughout the season albeit one stupid backpass the other day. Doni doesnt grab his chances well when he was given one. No one but himself to blame. Maxi, hmm, not sure about him. His form seems on and off when he is on field. One thing disgust me about him is he tends to drop/fall at slightest touches in the penalty box. I however agree that he deserves more playtime.

8) The most important of all-failure to learn from most of the mistakes above by the end of the season.
I thought he learned? At least we din see spearing now. 


Good replies.

Its also silly to mention favourtism with Adam. Is he suppose to buy the player and sit him on the bench?
He did play pretty well with Lucas.
Then Rotu would be slagging him for victimisation like that point 7.
In a first season. a coach will be trying to suss out his players.
Aferall he would not know them that well.
You would expect lotsa travailing in such a transition season.
However having said that, we did not expect such a roller coaster of a season, and for it to end that badly.

The positives:

a) We played very good football at times. But failed to score inspite of dominating even top 4 teams.

b) We hit the poverbial woodwork more than 30 times this season! Thats says something about
our good play BUT for Lady Luck smiling, we would be up there. Kenny should have paid Lady Luck.

c) Bad Season started off with i) Lucas longterm injury
ii) Stevie and Agger's injuries
iii) Carroll lack of fitness
iv) Than the fiasco with Suarez

d) Additon: Oh...we are back in Europe* rclxm9.gif


If your spine has been thrown out of the door, surely the team will suffer. And suffer it did. Experimentation came in.
Some worked, some did not. Its in transistion.

My only case with Kenny was that he integrated too many NEW players into his team of last season too soon, too fast.

So my question to those Nay-ers again:

What do you suggest to FSG if the new manager fails in his first season?

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...leverkusen-boss

Hyypia named as leverkusen boss!! Chances are slim but wat do u think if he is named as our boss should KD leave?
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Sounds much more like excuses than positives apart from the first one rolleyes.gif

Before i answer your question since i am Nay-er,modern fan,not ''true fan''

What makes you think in the first place that the manager will fail?
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Owner afraid fan might turn against them if they fired Kenny, they know he's not the manager that can bring Liverpool to glory day again
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Sounds much more like excuses than positives apart from the first one rolleyes.gif

Before i answer your question since i am Nay-er,modern fan,not ''true fan''

What makes you think in the first place that the manager will fail?
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To me, those are very good signs. i would be very worried if the team was lackasidial, defensive,
concervative and Suarez screaming to leave.
Add to that, Carroll is showing signs that we may all be wrong about him price aside.
Add to that we are back in Europe.

Modern fan alrite, who know squat about the Liverpool way or Kenny Dalglish. nod.gif

Thats a prognosis/sugeestion......i am eagar to see what you would suggest FSG do in that scenario as
a MODERN fan.
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A point to ponder - i read with much emotion, desperation, and sheer frustration, that Malaga is able to clinch 4th place in La Liga and qualify for CL, but what has transpired in Liverpool is pure question, question and question...sure Malaga is playing in Spain, but they achieved what their owner set-out early - that they need to spend smart, despite relatively modest investment by bringing in Toulalan, Demichelis, Baptista (flop from Arsenal) and Horseface...together with a young and enterprising coach Manuel Pellegrini, their achievement is something akin to wet dream for Reds fan...Unlike ManCiteh....their sheikh is relatively modest, shrewd in fact if i look at their control acquisition - Toulalan cost not more than 10 million euros...joris mathijsen for 2.2 million, Demichelis for 2.5 million +/- and Horseface for FREE.... Malaga is able to mould a team capable of challenging in La Liga...of course the domination will alwiz be Real or Barca, but it's nice and a tad more interesting for colourful team like Malaga to give them a run for their money...but the morale of the story is, Malaga need at least 2 season before they are able to clinch CL...they finished 11th before the current campaign. As much that I am dissapointed with our standing and in our signings, i really hope KD will be given his crack at the title next season...for i know that KD is absorbing all the pressure now..which is essential for rebuilding...i cant foresee another rookie manager to withstand what KD did and start a proper rebuilding...no way..even a veteran Hodgson cant outlive 6 months on the job. Having said this, also hope that FSG can make available substantial investment for KD, no point backing someone but have his hands tied..no?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 08:31 AM)
To you its always an excuse.
To me, those are very good signs. i would be very worried if the team was lackasidial, defensive,
concervative and Suarez screaming to leave.
Add to that, Carroll is showing signs that we may all be wrong about him price aside.
Add to that we are back in Europe.

Modern fan alrite, who know squat about the Liverpool way or Kenny Dalglish.    nod.gif

Thats a prognosis/sugeestion......i am eagar to see what you would suggest FSG do in that scenario as
a MODERN fan.
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Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif

I guess it's true after all when they say liverpool fans live in the past.

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Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif
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Ohhh Bellend...name calling now? ...... holier? Whats religion gotta do with this? whistling.gif

i must having my second childhood........ at 50 rclxms.gif

For yer HOLY self info, i didnt call for woy to be sacked.... whistling.gif

Judgemental arent we? nod.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 09:16 AM)
Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif

I guess it's true after all when they say liverpool fans live in the past.
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Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 16 2012, 09:02 AM)
in la liga the only team that challenge for league title is barca & real..wayyyyy different in EPL...at least FOUR teams can challenge the title..its no surprise u can get UCL place much easier in la liga than in EPL
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Methinks B Dortman is rather more impressive....ttwo POLES as strikers! WOW!
i am impressed! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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If we use 2012 form against Woy, it was no better. At least Woy only in charge for 6 months, KD already in charge for 1 year and that is inexcusable for me. Blame luck or whatever, 2012 was the reason I dont support KD anymore
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 09:25 AM)
AND he called me a BELL-end.......    rolleyes.gif


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Methinks B Dortman is rather more impressive....ttwo POLES as strikers!  WOW!
i am impressed!   biggrin.gif
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yup..dortmund was impressive!..but i'm more impressed in Montpellier...check out where they were last season biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ May 16 2012, 09:34 AM)
If we use 2012 form against Woy, it was no better. At least Woy only in charge for 6 months, KD already in charge for 1 year and that is inexcusable for me. Blame luck or whatever, 2012 was the reason I dont support KD anymore
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If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


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yup..dortmund was impressive!..but i'm more impressed in Montpellier...check out where they were last season biggrin.gif
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Montpelleir maybe a flash in the pan.....

BUT Dortmund is two years running now..........with POLESKIs a s strikers! Another WOW! thumbup.gif

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If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


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Montpelleir maybe a flash in the pan.....

BUT Dortmund is two years running now..........with POLESKIs a s strikers!  Another WOW!    thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 09:59 AM)
Manur is gonna buy the whole Dort team...  biggrin.gif
Kagawa, etc....but they have to replace Berba........so maybe 

Wheres barrios going to?


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i) Who comes in?
ii) How much money will said person need to build a squad?
iii) How many triumphs will he need in his first season to be allowed/good enough for a second?
iv) If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?
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barrios going to chinese club if im not mistaken..they can buy kagawa,lewandowski but we'll be getting goetze brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Goetze is good!
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 09:22 AM)
Ohhh Bellend...name calling now? ...... holier? Whats religion gotta do with this?  whistling.gif

i must having my second childhood........ at 50      rclxms.gif

For yer HOLY self info, i didnt call for woy to be sacked....    whistling.gif

Judgemental arent we?    nod.gif
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For someone who can't put up posts without using the ''modern fans'' term,''fake fans'' term i think the respect i am giving you currently is already too much.

Why are you playing the religion card?When did i mention anything about religion?
Maybe you terasa blush.gif

I really don't care what age you are.I take comments on face-value.Even if you are 50years old your posts suggests that you lack maturity.If you want people to respect you for your age,start behaving like one instead of telling off people who don't want kenny.
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My reason for not supporting KD anymore
1) Spend $80M on players, now worth less than half the value. How many managers got the chance to spend that much but screw up so bad? Downing continue his no goal no assist league form, Henderson known as headless chicken, Adam was the worst before injured, Enrique was good then slowly turn bad. At least Carroll is slowly back to his best
2) Relegation form 2012, look how poor we are in some of the matches, Wigan, QPR, Fulham, Swansea, West Brom to name a few. One match turn off is acceptable, 5 matches is a problem and 10 is disaster. Lets look at our last 5 league matches, 2 win 3 losses..promising? I dont think so

The only reason KD is still not sacked was because of his stature, another manager with same result will be instantly axe.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ May 16 2012, 11:15 AM)
My reason for not supporting KD anymore
1) Spend $80M on players, now worth less than half the value. How many managers got the chance to spend that much but screw up so bad? Downing continue his no goal no assist league form, Henderson known as headless chicken, Adam was the worst before injured, Enrique was good then slowly turn bad. At least Carroll is slowly back to his best
2) Relegation form 2012, look how poor we are in some of the matches, Wigan, QPR, Fulham, Swansea, West Brom to name a few. One match turn off is acceptable, 5 matches is a problem and 10 is disaster. Lets look at our last 5 league matches, 2 win 3 losses..promising? I dont think so

The only reason KD is still not sacked was because of his stature, another manager with same result will be instantly axe.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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We was 17th at one point then we went to 12th.Our form in the second half of this season is relegation form only above wolves.You should check the premier league form guide.

Considering roy only had half a season,is it illogical to compare it with kenny's half season this year?
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Give him 1 more season. At least he knws the worst of british players so he wont buy them anymore..  nod.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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wtf? damn traitor! making woy look good.
we were 19th once when woy was in charge...

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 11:25 AM)
We was 17th at one point then we went to 12th.Our form in the second half of this season is relegation form only above wolves.You should check the premier league form guide.

Considering roy only had half a season,is it illogical to compare it with kenny's half season this year?

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Now, it's funny then how you are supposed to pick KD's half season when he had one good and one bad. Plus, if you picked the bad half, it's different, it's at the end of the season where the relegation teams tend to play better than expected. Either way, it's unfair to compare two of them together...


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wtf? damn traitor! making woy look good.
we were 19th once when woy was in charge...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 11:41 AM)
Now, it's funny then how you are supposed to pick KD's half season when he had one good and one bad. Plus, if you picked the bad half, it's different, it's at the end of the season where the relegation teams tend to play better than expected. Either way, it's unfair to compare two of them together...


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You mentioned roy had us in relegation form.I say that kenny also put us in relegation form.Is that wrong?
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 11:43 AM)
You mentioned roy had us in relegation form.I say that kenny also put us in relegation form.Is that wrong?
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Well KD did not. We were 8th and not 18th as far as I remember....

Let's put it this way in a more logical and phenomenal form.

Early season tend to be a bit slow paced compared to end of season.

You see teams like Arsenal, City and to certain extent, manu, slowly picking up pace through early season.
End of season, on the other hand, relegation teams tend to be far more threatening with their life at stake.

Thus, if you compared Roy's early half where teams are competitively easier to beat and he put his team at 19th with KD's bad half where teams are harder to beat and yet he brought us to two finals, winning one... It isn't half bad. You have to take into considerations a lot of factors. Ultimately, at the end of the day, it's fairly unfair to compare both managers' results. For instance, Roy's time, Gerrard was fit most of the time, in KD's this season, Gerrard missed a lot of matches. How can you decide which is which? Which is worse then?

And like I mentioned in earlier post, coach can only do that much. There is little fault on tactic part when we keep creating chances, it's the players that have to deliver. So, changing the manager might just be a temporary solution.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 16 2012, 12:55 AM)
when everyone wanted rafa to leave, in came old woy and everyone cried...
if kenny leaves, no high profile manager will want to take the job...
tho i can think of one lower table manager who just got sacked recently in the form of alex mcleish...
let all your nightmares come true...
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This is the point I brought up earlier. The Anfield hotseat isn't especially appealing to high profile managers if you take the following into consideration:-

1) You are told to buy young and keep wages low. Something Wenger has done effectively.
2) You are given an average budget to spend.
3) If Kenny gets the sack, it will mean that the new manager will need to achieve a top four finish in his first year to be completely safe, taking into consideration that you'll have to go up against the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Spurs and even Newcastle.
4) Being at a club as popular as Liverpool, he'll have to deal with constant scrutiny and criticism from the media and pundits.

Regarding Rafa, the question is with the exception of bette ownership, he'll find himself in the same position as the last time in that he'll have to sell if he wants to spend big. During his tenure, he was asking for more money, citing that we needed better players. He'll have to wheel and deal again.

Martinez is young and enterprising but will he be able to handle the pressure of constantly being in the media and dealing with the high expectations that come with the post?

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lol, sorry but i'm too lazy to read thru back posts...too much spam with no rafa backed facts to dig thru 1 or 2 decent posts here and there tongue.gif
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Keep Kenny, have a clear-out sale this summer. And maybe hire a coach to just focus on finishing chances instead of hitting the woodwork. :-P
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ May 16 2012, 02:09 PM)
Keep Kenny, have a clear-out sale this summer. And maybe hire a coach to just focus on finishing chances instead of hitting the woodwork. :-P
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If it was upto me, i would sell Adam and Spearing asap and maybe even Downing. If we want to play Champions league football in the future then the current squad are not the players who should be in the starting 11 ever if we were to go for Europe.

For me Reina is most complete goalkeeper in the world and he commands the box really well, his shot stopping is the weakness but their is no better goalkeeper around who is available who can replace Reina so i would keep him.

Johnson has impressed me this season, though he still made few mistakes but overall he had a solid season.

Skrtel and Agger have shown that they are one of the best centreback partnership in the league. Before Agger got injured Liverpool had the best defensive record in the league which proves that we need to keep them both.

Enrique was impressive in the first half of the season but in the second half of the season his performances were terrible and he made lot of mistakes. I think Liverpool need to sign a left back to cover for Enrique, as currently Enrique has no competition at all. Also Enrique hasn't impressed at all in attacking third, so it would be great to have an attacking fullback to keep him on his toes.

Lucas would be my first choice defensive midfielder but we need cover for him, Spearing is just not good enough.

Gerrard hasn't been great this season but that is down to the quality of the squad which is mediocre. Adam really poor and we need to sell him, as he offers nothing special. Henderson has shown flashes of his talent but mostly he has been disappointing, but still worth keeping. Shelvey is the one who has impressed me more than both Henderson and Adam and i think he should start ahead of both Henderson and Adam.

Downing has been really poor this season but i still think he has the talent to be a decent squad player, so Liverpool should keep him but he shouldn't be a first team regular. Maxi, if only he was played instead of Downing in most of the games, then we would have had atleast 10-15 points more. Massively underutilized by Kenny when he was in great goalscoring form, hasn't disappointed with his performances whenever he has started.
Kuyt is another player who Kenny hasn't made the best use of, his linkup play and partnership with Suarez is excellent and he scores goals in big games. Bellamy has been impressive in the games he has played and is a useful squad player. Definitely worth keeping

Suarez is the only world class player Liverpool have and they have to keep him, if they want to attract better players to play for them. Carroll has shown some form but he still has lot to prove.

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Agree with most of it, but i do not agree in selling off Adam, as i still can see quality in him, with the right push, he can be hardworking in the field.
His set pieces and assist currently is better than most of the Liverpool player. But, i still think Carroll is very good in crossing...haha tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ May 16 2012, 02:39 PM)
If it was upto me, i would sell Adam and Spearing asap and maybe even Downing. If we want to play Champions league football in the future then the current squad are not the players who should be in the starting 11 ever if we were to go for Europe.

For me Reina is most complete goalkeeper in the world and he commands the box really well, his shot stopping is the weakness but their is no better goalkeeper around who is available who can replace Reina so i would keep him.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ May 16 2012, 02:51 PM)
Agree with most of it, but i do not agree in selling off Adam, as i still can see quality in him, with the right push, he can be hardworking in the field.
His set pieces and assist currently is better than most of the Liverpool player. But, i still think Carroll is very good in crossing...haha tongue.gif
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Seriously??? He's known throughout the league as someone that does not like tracking back. In blackpool, he's got someone like Vaughn to do the dirty works. His worth is his passing range & set piece which unfortunately for us, he shown neither during his time here though Lucas did all the dirty works earlier in the season.
With his passing range & set piece not working, he's just a passenger which the team cant afford to carry. At least Henderson, though disappointing as well, did some hard running.
As for Downing, I think he did his job though not spectacularly. Most of the matches, there's decent crosses from him but none of the players are in the box attacking crosses.
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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/320452...Dietmar-Hamann/

Hamman blasted Kenny, Carrol and Downing. Ouch!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 04:04 PM)
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/320452...Dietmar-Hamann/

Hamman blasted Kenny, Carrol and Downing. Ouch!
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Kenny out. thats it. and thats final.
we're not good enough, we have classy players and ended up finishing 8th. wtf was that.

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If KD bought Carroll for 10m, Downing, for 8m, Adam for 6m, Henderson for 6m too I would vouch for him. Give him another season

bloody hell that's a 100m now. I want to give him time but his eye for a good transfer is pretty weak.
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ May 16 2012, 04:34 PM)
If KD bought Carroll for 10m, Downing, for 8m, Adam for 6m, Henderson for 6m too I would vouch for him. Give him another season

bloody hell that's a 100m now. I want to give him time but his eye for a good transfer is pretty weak.
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Kenny out. thats it. and thats final.
we're not good enough, we have spent 100millions on "classy" players and ended up finishing 8th. wtf was that.
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I hope rafa will come back but I think Kd should be given another season, even rafa himself said that when he left the club, Tom , d*** and Harry fire all the staff rafa brought in.. That's why our performance was so poor.. Henry should bring back all those staff and I believe with them Kd can bring Liverpool to the top
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 03:04 PM)
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/320452...Dietmar-Hamann/

Hamman blasted Kenny, Carrol and Downing. Ouch!
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Well he too is what..... low, fake, plastic, modern day fan. Sum1 nid 2 tell Hamann Rome is not build in a day, rebuilding take time, ppl make mistake, every1 deserve a 2nd chance..... did I miss anything else?

& Kuyt complaining abt d rotation policy. Well, Energizer nid a lecture too.

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I only have one question to ask.
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I hope rafa will come back but I think Kd should be given another season, even rafa himself said that when he left the club, Tom , d*** and Harry fire all the staff rafa brought in.. That's why our performance was so poor.. Henry should bring back all those staff and I believe with them Kd can bring Liverpool to the top
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Personally I believe, not yet. (even if I never wanted him to be dumped after that 1 bad year despite many calling for his exit)

I'll still stand behind him for next season (dalglish)

It's is not good to have the silence, no official word, the speculation (dalglish & clarke to USA)

I know the owners must think carefully and not rush on it but but... blink.gif the fans blink.gif

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thats valid points. owner need to sort out whether kenny stay or out fast because if FSG want to sack kenny then we need to replace him as soon as possible to fight in the transfer market. if they want him to stay, confirm it early so he can concentrate on next season. if they wait till the new season is starting then the team will lack preparation time.

yes, where is the new stadium John Henry? till the new stadium is built, you just the same as H&G.. promise only no action.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 16 2012, 05:30 PM)
Personally I believe, not yet. (even if I never wanted him to be dumped after that 1 bad year despite many calling for his exit)

I'll still stand behind him for next season (dalglish)

It's is not good to have the silence, no official word, the speculation (dalglish & clarke to USA)

I know the owners must think carefully and not rush on it but but...  blink.gif the fans  blink.gif
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QUOTE(rushmode @ May 16 2012, 07:08 PM)
thats valid points. owner need to sort out whether kenny stay or out fast because if FSG want to sack kenny then we need to replace him as soon as possible to fight in the transfer market. if they want him to stay, confirm it early so he can concentrate on next season. if they wait till the new season is starting then the team will lack preparation time.

yes, where is the new stadium John Henry? till the new stadium is built, you just the same as H&G.. promise only no action.
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On this score, I wouldn't place the Cowdungs H&G and FSG on the same level. One leveraged us, placed us in stupid risk till we were 1 day short of going into administration, the other wiped out our debt, and seemingly a long term vision, inviting/drawing better commercial deals & mullah to the club.


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No .. it's good to have silence, no official words because that's how the club was run in the past - behind the doors and the way it should be.
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I think it's different, the club must show & back the manager else have a game plan, it will wreck potential transfers as incoming players arent sure whose calling the shots.

Operating behing closed door on dealings, transfers is fine, but at large others need to be assured.(as in hamann reported quip)


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thats valid points. owner need to sort out whether kenny stay or out fast because if FSG want to sack kenny then we need to replace him as soon as possible to fight in the transfer market. if they want him to stay, confirm it early so he can concentrate on next season. if they wait till the new season is starting then the team will lack preparation time.

yes, where is the new stadium John Henry? till the new stadium is built, you just the same as H&G.. promise only no action.
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Though H&G and FSG look at the club as investment, H&G borrow to claim ownership. The club nearly went into administration when H&G fail to pay back. FSG wipe out the debt. I think this part no need retelling.

To be fair, H&G did bank roll transfer but when debt start to crawl up, money start drying up. Though we dun hv banks to answer to, I dun c much difference now. We still nid to show return if v xpect FSG to continue developing the club.

About the stadium, I wud prefer a more careful approach this time. H&G left us with about 30mil to payoff from the failed stadium plan. A new stadium wud cost 300mil upwards. That's no small investment. That is years of transfer fund. Building the stadium wud increase our matchday income but also limit our transfer. Google for our new stadium and there is news FSG will build new due to constraint around Anfield.

I too would like to see plan for new stadium but I prefer a careful approach rather then a popular move thats is not properly thought thru.

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KD came back from the States after a meeting with the Boss

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i dont mean to put FSG in the same boat as H&G. they did wipe our debt and fork out alot of money on transfers. though carrol money comes from selling torres.

what i mean by no action is the matter of the new stadium. they promised that building stadium is one of their main priority. it almost 2 years since the takeover and still no decisive conclusion on this matter. i understand a proper plan needed to build a new stadium but the longer they wait the more chasing up we need to do with other top clubs financially. also, the cost to build will only go higher.

let say we stuck on playing europa (or none at all) for a couple more seasons it will effect the club financials. then the same story of "selling players to buy players" will probably repeated.
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i dont mean to put FSG in the same boat as H&G. they did wipe our debt and fork out alot of money on transfers. though carrol money comes from selling torres.

what i mean by no action is the matter of the new stadium. they promised that building stadium is one of their main priority. it almost 2 years since the takeover and still no decisive conclusion on this matter. i understand a proper plan needed to build a new stadium but the longer they wait the more chasing up we need to do with other top clubs financially. also, the cost to build will only go higher.

let say we stuck on playing europa (or none at all) for a couple more seasons it will effect the club financials. then the same story of "selling players to buy players" will probably repeated.
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Its very true the longer we wait the higher the cost (in term of construction the stadium and also keeping up with the others). I look at it this way. FSG have so far shown they will invest in the club. The blip this past season probably make FSG more careful when splashing out cash. the transfer they put out so far did not return the result expected. The fab four we got is not entirely bad but due to the price we pay, they carry a burden. Being someone who dunno football (soccer if you will) at all, they probably rely on advise. Commoli left probably due to the transfer price vs performance.

In term of commercial, i am more assured with FSG. They have got us Std Chart after 18 years with Carlsberg as our main/shirt sponsor. FSG also turn to Warriors thou they are less recognized than Adidas in the football world. I am sure they will find sponsor for our new stadium too. what they can't control and probably dunno how to is the core of their investment.... the football itself. Now they want to put over 300mil into a stadium. There is gonna be a lot of thinking to do. we will be sitting out CL for 3 season now. that is about about 90mil potential income lost. i wud suspect FSG want to see sum assurance at least we are fighting for CL spot (which is where the money is).

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Rumours have reported the owners are looking for a new head coach. The news regarding KD has gone dark over the past couple of days. Nail bitting stuff really.
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Sigh... FSG needs to be clear on the KK situation. If you don't want him, sack him, if not get along with the signing of new players. We need to make our move ASAP considering we're not even in the Champions League. The other big "four" have made their moves...
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kenny has gone......no longer liverpool manager

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not sure already posted or not.. poor kenny, his summer signing has endangered his job

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/05/dalgl...-of-losing.html
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not sure already posted or not.. poor kenny, his summer signing has endangered his job

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/05/dalgl...-of-losing.html
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Many posts about it on Twitter since roughly 5 minutes ago, and BBC has confirmed his departure. Bye Kenny..
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BBC confirmed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18073446
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is he got fire or he resign...?

really prefer resign as it look more heroic

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http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-05-16/k...eave-liverpool/
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Sky sports news said he got fired.. but we'll wait for official confirmation..
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Rotuham, Carlox and co must be jumping with glee with this announcement.

In any case, despite the boiling temper in me, now is definitely NOT the time to show anger towards FSG.

The Liverpool Way doesn't involve us going to charge at the owners for dismissing our gaffer.

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the biggest problem now is which quality manager wants to manage Liverpool?

under-performing expensive club with high expectation fans
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Downing,Henderson,Adam and Carroll can pray for their future if this is really true
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 16 2012, 11:33 PM)
Rotuham, Carlox and co must be jumping with glee with this announcement.

In any case, despite the boiling temper in me, now is definitely NOT the time to show anger towards FSG.

The Liverpool Way doesn't involve us going to charge at the owners for dismissing our gaffer.

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I don't know why you want to be angry at them. I think FSG made the right decision.
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Hope it's not gonna be Roberto Martinez. Perhaps Pep or Capello? Expensive and doubt they will want to come anyway though..
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Dalglish sacked... so who's up for us?
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Downing, Hendo, Adam, must be shaking in their pants right now....
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With all due respect to the king.. I really hope the owners made the right decision.
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oh my King Kenny .. sad.gif

Thanks for everything .. YNWA !
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ May 16 2012, 11:34 PM)
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I lauughed at this. True to certain extent laugh.gif
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i think it will be on the offical site soon. looks like its real. anyway, thank him for the carling cup and fa cup final. i think hendo and carroll has a future here. downing im not too sure. pretty surprised to see him in the england squad. as for carroll, i think his last few games has shown some signs of his old self.
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QUOTE(daryl23 @ May 16 2012, 11:39 PM)
i think it will be on the offical site soon. looks like its real. anyway, thank him for the carling cup and fa cup final. i think hendo and carroll has a future here. downing im not too sure. pretty surprised to see him in the england squad. as for carroll, i think his last few games has shown some signs of his old self.
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Expectation of fans? I do not think fans have the authority to fire King Kenny.
It is the expectation of the club owner, after spending few hundred millions on the club.
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It cant be roberto martinez. Wigan played well in the last 10 games of bpl doesnt mean hes good. I hope they can hire back rafa benitez.. Anyone agree?? biggrin.gif
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I'll miss seeing the King celebrate every goal like a true Liverpundlian and how he really feels for the club.

But if its for the best, then so be it.

On a sweeter note...

Stevie G to lead the national team and we have 3 other players joining the team.

Bittersweet day.
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Hope it's not gonna be Roberto Martinez. Perhaps Pep or Capello? Expensive and doubt they will want to come anyway though..
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I am not sure how and who came up with the name of Roberto Martinez.
Look at his winning percentage, Uncle Roy is better than him.
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QUOTE(messy @ May 16 2012, 11:41 PM)
It cant be roberto martinez. Wigan played well in the last 10 games of bpl doesnt mean hes good. I hope they can hire back rafa benitez.. Anyone agree?? biggrin.gif
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It cant be roberto martinez. Wigan played well in the last 10 games of bpl doesnt mean hes good. I hope they can hire back rafa benitez.. Anyone agree?? biggrin.gif
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I read at Liverpoolfc.tv forum, they mentioned Rafa as manager and Roberto Martinez as assistant manager. laugh.gif
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I am not sure how and who came up with the name of Roberto Martinez.
Look at his winning percentage, Uncle Roy is better than him.
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It cant be roberto martinez. Wigan played well in the last 10 games of bpl doesnt mean hes good. I hope they can hire back rafa benitez.. Anyone agree?? biggrin.gif
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I'm ok with rafa. after he left liverpool, liverpool performance is no way near him when he in charge.
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I am not sure how and who came up with the name of Roberto Martinez.
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Definitely. He can probably go to Villa instead, Liverpool isn't the club for him. We need someone quality who can actually "rock" and "revive" the Kop. Lol.
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Everyone expects the next gaffer to be the BETTER gaffer.

Well, I'll say KD was better than Roy. Much better.

Now who?


I'm not going to rage, until FSG explains what the eff is going on.
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"The news means Liverpool are now without a chief executive, director of football, head of sports science, head of communications or a new stadium. FSG better have a good plan."

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/05/kenny...aves-liverpool/

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"Sky Sports understands that Wigan boss Martinez is top of their list of targets and the man who turned Aston Villa down last summer could find it hard to shun a switch to Anfield."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11...ol-axe-Dalglish

Oh god...
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so far names being mooted, is roberto martinez, villas-boas and rafa. i'm fine with all 3. only downside is the first is pretty much like woy. in the sense that he's doing well in average clubs, no disrespect to both fulham and wigan whereas villas-boas although did badly in chelsea, i think liverpool here is a different club in the sense that players average age are not as old as chelsea. hence they might share his idea.
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liverpool sack a legend, so the new recruit must be on par
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Actually the board should give KD another season. I believe he can change something up. So far i see no other manager who is better than KD. Either hire back rafa or spend money hire germany coach joachim LOWWW
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Owh God please dont let it be Martinez. His record is awful.
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if Martinez comes in, he better get 20 wins in a row. 2 losses and i'm more than happy to call for his head.
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QUOTE(messy @ May 16 2012, 11:50 PM)
Actually the board should give KD another season. I believe he can change something up. So far i see no other manager who is better than KD. Either hire back rafa or spend money hire germany coach joachim LOWWW
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There are coaches out there better than Kenny but doesn't seem to be realistic enough. Pep, Rafa or Capello are definitely world class and proven managers at club level. I hope the owners will hire somebody at their level, not Paul Lambert, Martinez or Brendan Rodgers. We don't want another Roy.. Anyway, official statement will be out in 5 minutes. Let's wait..
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ May 16 2012, 11:48 PM)
"The news means Liverpool are now without a chief executive, director of football, head of sports science, head of communications or a new stadium. FSG better have a good plan."

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/05/kenny...aves-liverpool/
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Some speculated KK can be appointed as the director of football.
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KD should be part of the Board.
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Not now.. He just joined Sunderland. Could have been a fantastic candidate a year ago though..
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i dont think the owners will go for someone "unproven"; as in, someone who hasnt managed a top club... like Martinez. At this stage, they've already invested too much to hire just anyone.

I have a gut feeling it'll be Rafa then... would like to see him back smile.gif
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Kenny Dalglish has been sacked as Liverpool boss after just 16 months in charge of the Reds.

It follows a disappointing domestic season where the five-time European champions finished eighth in the Premier League and a massive 37 points behind winners Manchester City.

The Anfield legend did guide them to a Carling Cup triumph and an FA Cup final, but that wasn’t deemed a good enough return on the huge investment Fenway made on players such as Andy Carroll (£35million) and Stewart Downing (£16million).

The Scot’s cause also won’t have been helped by his prickly demeanour with the media and the way in which he handled the Luis Suarez racism row.

The early favourite to take over from Dalglish is Wigan Athletic boss Roberto Martinez (6/5) who saw his stock rise thanks to a brilliant end to the season that saw the Latics win seven of their last nine Premier League games.

However, Martinez isn’t the biggest name in the football and another former Reds manager – Rafa Benitez – is just behind his compatriot at 3/1.

Benitez guided Liverpool to a 2005 Champions League title and has retained close links with Merseyside since his departure in the summer of 2010.

There weren’t too many tears shed when he left though and it would be a bold move for the Fenway Group to reappoint a manager who left just months before they took over the Anfield side.

Elsewhere, ex-Barcelona boss Pep Guardiola is out at 14/1 while Jose Mourinho – who has had some serious tussles with the Reds in his career – is 8/1 to take charge.

Ladbrokes latest betting

i dunno wats that mean but the list of candidates as it goes
Next manager of Liverpool FC

7/4 R. Martinez doh.gif
8/1 F. Capello
8/1 J. Mourinho
8/1 R. Benitez
8/1 A. Villas-Boas
10/1 C. Ancelotti
10/1 B. Rodgers
14/1 J. Guardiola
14/1 P. Lambert
16/1 M. O’Neill
16/1 L. Van Gaal
16/1 C. Ranieri
16/1 H. Redknapp
20/1 G Hiddink
20/1 L. Blanc
20/1 S. Hyppia
20/1 F. Rijkaard
28/1 G. Poyet
33/1 S. Clarke
33/1 D. Moyes
33/1 S. Eriksson
33/1 G. Souness
33/1 K. Keegan
33/1 D. Deschamps
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...y-with-dalglish

its official


no way. i'm not believing this.
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ May 16 2012, 11:57 PM)
33/1 D. Moyes
33/1 S. Eriksson
33/1 G. Souness
33/1 K. Keegan
33/1 D. Deschamps
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Souness?? You gotta be kidding me. The man who dismantle Liverpool and the man who bought the legendary Ali Dia
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HOLY SH-

Ian Ayre is departing too!?
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Sad because KK is gone, terrified thinking what's gonna happen to the club. excited to see the changes gonna be made for the club
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Souness?? You gotta be kidding me. The man who dismantle Liverpool and the man who bought the legendary Ali Dia
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I'm actually pretty sad KD left. sad.gif
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Sad news indeed.

On a brightside, maxi and co wont be leaving eh?
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YNWA KING KENNY!
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 17 2012, 12:00 AM)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...y-with-dalglish

its official
no way. i'm not believing this.
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the owner had made us axe our own king.

like steven tan propose red lucky color change for the bluebirds.

i dont haf good feeling abt this
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Sad news indeed.

On a brightside, maxi and co wont be leaving eh?
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If the new manager can bring hope and ambition to the club, they might stay.
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Johnson, Downing, Gerrard and Carroll in England's EURO 2012 squad. Henderson on reserve list.


I will be surprised if Downing, Carroll and henderson shine in Euro 2012 then means sacking KK is the right/wrong option, something like to prove KK is either right or wrong.

Right because players are good but KK don't know how to use them.
Wrong because players are good and KK need one more season to put them together.

sad one.
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Brings tears to my eyes reading this. King kenny....
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the owner had made us axe our own king.

like steven tan propose red lucky color change for the bluebirds.

i dont haf good feeling abt this
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happy now?
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QUOTE(twtang @ May 17 2012, 12:09 AM)
@koptalk
Johnson, Downing, Gerrard and Carroll in England's EURO 2012 squad. Henderson on reserve list.
I will be surprised if Downing, Carroll and henderson shine in Euro 2012 then means sacking KK is the right/wrong option, something like to prove KK is either right or wrong.

Right because players are good but KK don't know how to use them.
Wrong because players are good and KK need one more season to put them together.

sad one.
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If they perform well in club level, field them every match.

If they can't perform, kick them out from the squad or sell them.
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this 3 years is definitely the lowest... it has to be.

will we ever see the silver sky?

will we ever hear the song of the lark?

will we?

can we walk on head hold up high?

now that our dreams be tossed and blown.


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QUOTE(twtang @ May 17 2012, 12:09 AM)
@koptalk
Johnson, Downing, Gerrard and Carroll in England's EURO 2012 squad. Henderson on reserve list.
I will be surprised if Downing, Carroll and henderson shine in Euro 2012 then means sacking KK is the right/wrong option, something like to prove KK is either right or wrong.

Right because players are good but KK don't know how to use them.
Wrong because players are good and KK need one more season to put them together.

sad one.
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If they can perform well in national team. Thats only 1 thing, England is sux! Look at milner and adam johnson. They always sit on the bench but still called up by england. How pathetic. England have little world class players.
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HOLY SH-

Ian Ayre is departing too!?
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some said the owner want to reconstruct wage but still no source yet,,,

tis new owner look real mathematician
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Wow... unbelievable.

i think he did just enough with the current squad, plus liverpool were unlucky throughout the season by missing created chances which is unexplainable.



But still, he should have done better with player transfers.
It is crazy when you think that all the money spent could have bring 2 or 3 world class players.



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"The England boss also revealed how a conversation with Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish helped him make his mind up about taking the 23-year-old to Euro 2012.

"I spoke to Kenny at some length about him because I don't know him particularly well as a person," said Hodgson. "Kenny was absolutely convinced about the player's ability and his personality and his seriousness as a professional. When I heard that it meant I had no further reservations."

Look at how KK defends his players and has cost his job.
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The owners are crazy to call him over to Boston only to sack him... doh.gif
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I hope the owners have something to show for, or else there will be backlash from the fans.
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The owners are crazy to call him over to Boston only to sack him... doh.gif
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"The England boss also revealed how a conversation with Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish helped him make his mind up about taking the 23-year-old to Euro 2012.

"I spoke to Kenny at some length about him because I don't know him particularly well as a person," said Hodgson. "Kenny was absolutely convinced about the player's ability and his personality and his seriousness as a professional. When I heard that it meant I had no further reservations."

Look at how KK defends his players and has cost his job.
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The owners are crazy to call him over to Boston only to sack him... doh.gif
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Just heard the news. Poor Kenny. Good luck finding a new manager.
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Kenny Dalglish today paid tribute to the supporters and staff of Liverpool Football Club after his second spell as manager came to an end.

Despite feeling a sense of disappointment at leaving his post, the Scotsman revealed the pride he has felt at leading the Club over the past 16 months - and thanked Fenway Sports Group for the way in which his departure has been handled.

"It has been an honour and a privilege to have had the chance to come back to Liverpool Football Club as Manager," said Dalglish. "I greatly appreciate the work that Steve, Kevin, the players and all of the staff put in during my time and feel proud that we delivered the Club's first trophy in six years winning the Carling Cup and came close to a second trophy in the FA Cup Final. Of course I am disappointed with results in the league, but I would not have swapped the Carling Cup win for anything as I know how much it meant to our fans and the Club to be back winning trophies.

"Whilst I am obviously disappointed to be leaving the football club, I can say that the matter has been handled by the owners and all concerned in an honourable, respectful and dignified way and reflects on the quality of the people involved and their continued desire to move the football club forward in the same way as when they arrived here.

"I would like to thank all of the staff at the Club for their effort and loyalty. I said when first approached about coming back as Manager that I would always be of help if I can at any time and that offer remains the same.

"Finally, I want to put on record my heartfelt gratitude to Liverpool's fans, who have always given me and the Club their unwavering support. Without them neither the Club nor I would have achieved anything."
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This could be the answer.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...y-with-dalglish

"Whilst I am obviously disappointed to be leaving the football club, I can say that the matter has been handled by the owners and all concerned in an honourable, respectful and dignified way and reflects on the quality of the people involved and their continued desire to move the football club forward in the same way as when they arrived here."
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Hopefully the owners hire somebody and can bring improvements. Otherwise, the next one out of the door will be them.

Sack the legend because he is not performing and no second chance - fair?
hire someone they think they are right, and still not performing, then?
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I miss the King.. :'( waaa.....

Tho I've never seen him play, I can feel the love he has for this Club everytime we score - even consolations.
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Can understand the decision but I am thoroughly disappointed at the treatment dished out to Kenny. YNWA it seems. Uttered but not practiced. Now let's see how long the new gaffa is given before the fans turn on him. Kenny, legend.
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Look at how KK defends his players and has cost his job.
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I doubt that is the reason.
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To be honest, the owners had a tough decision to make, investing in a club that you want to see it to move forward. Sacrifices needed to be made.
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'd be fascinated to find out what Dalglish has said/done in the last 2 weeks to change owners minds. New coach choice will b an indicator if they know what they are doing. Sorry for misled u about Kenny but 2 weeks ago he was 100% going to stay


Guillem Balague said it.


so FSG had a 180 degree?
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It would be wonderful if Pep could come in wit he's coaching staffs, but that is wayyyy to far fetch.
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'd be fascinated to find out what Dalglish has said/done in the last 2 weeks to change owners minds. New coach choice will b an indicator if they know what they are doing. Sorry for misled u about Kenny but 2 weeks ago he was 100% going to stay
Guillem Balague said it.
so FSG had a 180 degree?
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They said that before the FA cup final match.
It was meant to lift up the spirit of the team.

Otherwise, what would you think they should say before the final match?
Sack King Kenny?
Well, I think there were communications between KK and the club owner.
I meant they might have said FA cup is the lifeline.
This explains why KK was so down and he neither look at the owner nor shake his hand after the FA cup final - he knew his fate is sealed.

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Rotuham, Carlox and co must be jumping with glee with this announcement.

In any case, despite the boiling temper in me, now is definitely NOT the time to show anger towards FSG.

The Liverpool Way doesn't involve us going to charge at the owners for dismissing our gaffer.

YNWA
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Yup,I am screaming with joy because john henry was reading all my posts here and decided to consider my views.

get real.All i did was put across my opinion.

It's always sad to see a manager leave even when it was roy whatmore a legend like kenny.I trust FSG has made the right decision.

YNWA Kenny but times haves changed a lot and so did football.
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its not a football club anymore. these yankees n glory hunters have turn it into comodities.
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its not a football club anymore. these yankees n glory hunters have turn it into comodities.
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Guys how about our reserve team coach Rodofo Borrell? He who coach messi, cecs and pique in barca youth team and bring the best of them.
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its not a football club anymore. these yankees n glory hunters have turn it into comodities.
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No king rules forever....Thanks King Kenny for the first trophy in 6 years !!
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Just at the right moment. Hopefully the incoming manager will have more time to plan with the current squad


Added on May 17, 2012, 12:40 amSteve Clarke has left out of loyalty to Dalglish.?

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Segura as DOF, and Rodolfo as one of the first team coaches. then i'll consider Martinez as a manager.

Otherwise, I don't see how Martinez fits in.
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I am thoroughly appealed at the treatment given to Dalglish. Really I am. We are losing out soul. Let's just see if the new gaffa is afforded the amount of time needed to turn the cub around. Kenny is and always will be a legend in my eyes
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hopefully again, the owner won't screw up the club by hiring wrong managers, wrong personnels.

That would be a ridiculous thing we want to see, at least now SAF relief and say: Thanks Henry for firing my enermy.
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bENITEZ anyone?
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Yea lets hope RAFA BENITEZ!! Bring back the glories! And bring back spanish players!! HAHA!
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bENITEZ anyone?
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I have already made a lot of enemies on here after wanting kenny to leave.So it doesn't matter anymore i guess.

The answer is a big no.
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Incoming!

Its highly Rafa! Owners meeting Rafa!
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Steve Clarke leaves~!
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It's a pity I would say. Would love to see King Kenny again next season cry.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 17 2012, 12:44 AM)
I have already made a lot of enemies on here after wanting kenny to leave.So it doesn't matter anymore i guess.

The answer is a big no.
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I cant think of any more classy manager than him which is available or want to join LFC.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 17 2012, 12:41 AM)
I am thoroughly appealed at the treatment given to Dalglish. Really I am. We are losing out soul. Let's just see if the new gaffa is afforded the amount of time needed to turn the cub around. Kenny is and always will be a legend in my eyes
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no one cares abt it anymore. soul sold to money god.
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Steve Clarke leaves~!
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 17 2012, 12:37 AM)
yup.time for you to leave this ''comodities''
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Added on May 17, 2012, 12:49 amSteve Clark....

happy now ha haters?

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Its a good move by the owner. They want quick success and KD cannot do it. If the next manager also got 8th on the next season, the same thing will happen to him too.

Its all about moving forward.
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Its a good move by the owner. They want quick success and KD cannot do it. If the next manager also got 8th on the next season, the same thing will happen to him too.

Its all about moving forward.
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So the owner is just like roman abramovich huh
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Anyone who puts his or her opinion contrary to the ultra's stand is a hater,modern fan,nay-er,glory hunter and fake fans.

Let's see how this people support the new manager from the beginning.
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Anyone who puts his or her opinion contrary to the ultra's stand is a hater,modern fan,nay-er,glory hunter and fake fans.

Let's see how this people support the new manager from the beginning.
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QUOTE(messy @ May 17 2012, 12:50 AM)
So the owner is just like roman abramovich huh
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No 7 to no 8.
Mega fail with player transfer.

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So the owner is just like roman abramovich huh
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love it or hate it, this is all purely business. i believe even you won't hire the same fund manager if he loses your money
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Steve Clarke gone really? source????


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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 17 2012, 12:52 AM)
Anyone who puts his or her opinion contrary to the ultra's stand is a hater,modern fan,nay-er,glory hunter and fake fans.

Let's see how this people support the new manager from the beginning.
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apparently ure not happy with others opinion as well.

lets see how long YOU support the new man before calling for his head

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we'll need to view KD in 2 different lights

The pre-Souness era KD and the post-FSG Kenny.

Yes they are the same, but if we view KD as the one in pre-Souness era, nothing, and nothing can remove his charm and aura as a legend for LFC.

He still is and still will be. Let's not make him walk alone.

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Steve Clarke gone really? source????
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apparently ure not happy with others opinion as well.

lets see how long YOU support the new man before calling for his head
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Well,at least i didn't want him to fail from the beginning. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ May 17 2012, 12:57 AM)
Google steve Clarke leaves liverpool

http://www.kopsource.com/steve-clarke-quits-liverpool/
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Can i celebrate? He is the coolest AM who dont celebrate at sidelines... a big dislike for that
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He flew to Boston with KK.
If KK gone, he's gone too.
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Can i celebrate?  He is the coolest AM who dont celebrate at sidelines... a big dislike for that
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but he and rafa should make good combo. yawn.gif
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i dont think the owners ever demanded anything like 'quick' success. the statements clearly mentioned that they wish to move forward, and results this season has been showing otherwise. our target was to get into CL football, that was all. even this simple target was met with a disappointing 8th, i think on the owners' side, its major disappointment after their massive effort in supporting the transfers and did not for once interefere with the manager. for me, they were the perfect owners...

so goodbye to King Kenny, thanks for your work. i think the major contribution that KK has brought to the club this time is to unite the supporters without using trophies. usually unity comes after success but we got otherwise. i believe we are reaching the end of the storm, despite what has happened this season. we needed to hit some hard bottom before we can be awakened. i'm sure when KK came in its the start of a new dawn, despite what happened this season

for me KK's return has been a nudge to the sleeping giant. its time to wake up...so wake up will be, the sleeping giant. this is what i believe...
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Mixed emotions on seeing King Kenny go. On one hand, he brought back a trophy and almost another one. But on the other, a bitterly disappointing season in the league. And also the way he under-utilized the strengths of Maxi and Bellamy.

Speaking of new manager, I'd be pleased if Roberto Martinez DOESN'T get the job. It'll probably be another case of Roy Hodgson (no disrespect to him). Martinez might be better suited to Villa. Would love to see Pep but lets be honest, LFC ain't Barca. Mourinho - very unrealistic. O'Neill - very long shot. Who's left? Rafa and Villas-Boas. Both I wouldn't really mind. AVB wasn't convincing at Chelsea but he has a proven record before that and has the potential to be a good manager in the BPL. Rafa had a decent record at LFC. Just hopes he doesn't rotate the squad as much and puts the league as number 1 priority as well if he does get the job.

On our current players, I think our signings have been disappointing to say the least. Henderson showed flashes of good form but he looks absolutely lost when deployed on the right flank. Adam was only OK and clumsy a few times on the defensive side. Enrique was good first half of the season, really bad the other half - no arguments here. Carroll was only getting better towards the end of the season and he hasn't justified his price tag yet. Downing - definitely worst investment in my opinion. It seemed none of his shots were on target this season. Works hard, yes but rarely displayed the qualities we all know he has.

LFC definitely needs to sign better, more penetrating midfielders. And a solid back-up to Lucas. The club missed a really good ball-winner and one who does a lot of the dirty work. Spearing is only so-so in that respect. Definitely need a good left back to cover Enrique. Don't want to see Agger deployed in that position anymore cuz he and Skrtel have to be regularly paired up as centerbacks. Carra has passed his prime to be honest. Johnson is solid going forward but seriously needs to cut out silly defensive mistakes.

Squad has plenty of talent, quality and potential. Just needs some key signings in certain areas and of course, execute/finish those created goal opportunities better.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 12:59 AM)
Can i celebrate?  He is the coolest AM who dont celebrate at sidelines... a big dislike for that
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the King was doing all the celebrations, so he balanced it out. haha.
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QUOTE(seizer @ May 17 2012, 01:50 AM)
Its a good move by the owner. They want quick success and KD cannot do it. If the next manager also got 8th on the next season, the same thing will happen to him too.

Its all about moving forward.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ May 17 2012, 01:57 AM)
Google steve Clarke leaves liverpool

http://www.kopsource.com/steve-clarke-quits-liverpool/
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I hope he can find his way home..to Stamford Bridge smile.gif
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but he and rafa should make good combo. yawn.gif
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Yes, I have the same sentiment too.
He seems cool to me.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:56 AM)
apparently ure not happy with others opinion as well.

lets see how long YOU support the new man before calling for his head
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some people wants FSG to behave like Roman.

Eff the FFP, eff the HG rules

and spend like how Barca and Real, or City would.

Then only probably they are happy.


For some reason I hope the Academy trio of Seguro, and co won't get the sack.
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Suarez leaving too like Steve Clark?
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I actually wouldnt mind Rafa... although he's quite the control freak or dictator... he has feelings for the club.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 02:02 AM)
Suarez leaving too like Steve Clark?
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 17 2012, 01:03 AM)
no way...
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he told someone dat he would leave kd leaves.
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QUOTE(Petre @ May 17 2012, 01:00 AM)
for me KK's return has been a nudge to the sleeping giant. its time to wake up...so wake up will be, the sleeping giant. this is what i believe...
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I have my next fear, the age of our players are catching up (i.e. Gerrard and Carragher).
The sleeping giants can't do much if their bodies can't make the call any more.


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Suarez leaving too like Steve Clark?
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We need to learn from the Torres transfer.
Rejected the request, like what Tottenham did to Modric.

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Suarez leaving too like Steve Clark?
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 17 2012, 01:03 AM)
no way...
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Liverpool South American Star Leaving Anfield

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:04 AM)
I have my next fear, the age of our players are catching up (i.e. Gerrard and Carragher).
The sleeping giants can't do much if their bodies can't make the call any more.


Added on May 17, 2012, 1:05 am
We need to learn from the Torres transfer.
Rejected the request, like what Tottenham did to Modric.
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FSG wont turn down good money tho
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Bad solstice mad.gif
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it was really sad to see KD go even though i feel that liverpool are doing badly in the league, but i really do feel he should be given another year..
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FSG wont turn down good money tho
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I doubt Suarez can fetch more than 50 millions any way.
It is better to keep him.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:06 AM)
Bad solstice  mad.gif
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What??? I gonna miss him cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif


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now let's hope the new manager sells lucas off  whistling.gif
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Adam first yo...His free kicks/corners alone worth 10m, bet we can sell him for 15m together with the fat? tongue.gif

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What??? I gonna miss him  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif


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Adam first yo...His free kicks/corners alone worth 10m, bet we can sell him for 15m together with the fat? tongue.gif
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I thought the South American star was Suarez. vmad.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 01:07 AM)
What??? I gonna miss him  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif


Added on May 17, 2012, 1:08 am
Adam first yo...His free kicks/corners alone worth 10m, bet we can sell him for 15m together with the fat? tongue.gif
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Adam cannot be sold, hes championship (division) material.

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wow..


King Kenny
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time to buy FIRST team players. whistling.gif
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Ayre has indeed left.. Who's running the club....
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:07 AM)
I doubt Suarez can fetch more than 50 millions any way.
It is better to keep him.
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no nid 50 mil. maybe 30.

9 claps
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time to buy FIRST team players.  whistling.gif
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buy with what manager? tongue.gif
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time to buy FIRST team players.  whistling.gif
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No money left...8m for sacking woy.... Now, another 8-10m for sacking KD and co... sweat.gif
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wouldnt it be funny if FSG sells the club to another american in the form of glazer tongue.gif
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no nid 50 mil. maybe 30.

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sos cili mana?
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Its just a matter of time
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I did not the board would give up hope on King Kenny so fast. This is really out of my expectation. Honestly never see this coming. :/
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we either spend, or... play a young but hungry liverpool side from next season.
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there is a god afterall - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7760797/

1 crappy manager ruled out, now for some statement from alex mcleish pls...
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FSG has no choice but to fork out a lot of dough in order to find a new head coach that will stick. They still have to think about the budget allocation for transfers and compensations. All in all, I think FSG will need to fork out another 100 million but this time around we don't have a 50 million player to sell. lol

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The good feeling sat KD brought to Anfield has ended.
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sos cili mana?
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I did not the board would give up hope on King Kenny so fast. This is really out of my expectation. Honestly never see this coming. :/
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You never see this coming?
Head to any Liverpool fan message boards, it is already speculated many months ago.
The debate is more or less what we discussed here.
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cari sendiri
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malas...

Anyway, I m rooting for Owen Coyle, Gus Poyet, Big Sam for the hot seat...Surely they will be better than KD! thumbup.gif
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malas...

Anyway, I m rooting for Owen Coyle, Gus Poyet, Big Sam for the hot seat...Surely they will be better than KD! thumbup.gif
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tak lucu pun..
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Meant to be sarcastic, not to be funny lar...duh sweat.gif doh.gif
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Liverpool is becoming the next Man C I guess but with the moneyball strategy rather than buying the most expensive n prolific player...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 01:17 AM)
malas...

Anyway, I m rooting for Owen Coyle, Gus Poyet, Big Sam for the hot seat...Surely they will be better than KD! thumbup.gif
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like that must as well set our sights lower and go for steve mclaren whistling.gif
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Liverpool is becoming the next Man C I guess but with the moneyball strategy rather than buying the most expensive n prolific player...
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They just wanted to be Arsenal and milk profits
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Rajagobal for manager!
the king is gone, long live the raja!
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like that must as well set our sights lower and go for steve mclaren  whistling.gif
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He good leh...He won itu title with Twente! Good boy manager, I rike...
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Surprise! ManU fans backed KK.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2349424
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Rajagobal for manager!
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 17 2012, 01:24 AM)
thats kinda a stupid statement imo.
cos with success comes money.
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Rajagobal for manager!
the king is gone, long live the raja!
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2349424/+81
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if anything, the kind of manager that would be brave enough to answer their call would be...

Mourinho. although i believe this makes us very interesting to someone like Pep
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thats kinda a stupid statement imo.
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Head to kopitiam.
Surprise! ManU fans backed KK.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2349424
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FSG has no choice but to fork out a lot of dough in order to find a new head coach that will stick. They still have to think about the budget allocation for transfers and compensations. All in all, I think FSG will need to fork out another 100 million  but this time around we don't have a 50 million player to sell. lol
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I did say FSG had to make a decision quick.They only had two options.Back kenny fully or sack him.
As fans our opinion didn't matter this time around.

Martinez,rogers-big risk of becoming roy part 2

Benitez-big risk of becoming kenny part 2.I wouldn't mind the benitez that first came to liverpool.Not the one that left liverpool and inter.

I would go after AVB,jurgen klopp or any manager who likes attacking football.


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Whelan advises Martinez against Liverpool job

" "They shouldn't be sacking Kenny Dalglish, they should be making him chairman, let him run the place," he continued. "As for a new manager, I am sure they might want my manager, but he's been the favourite for the West Brom job, then favourite for the Aston Villa job, now he's favourite for the Liverpool job. "
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Suarez quit if Kenny is sacked
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fake news lol

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Kenny Daglish sacked
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In Pictures: Kenny Dalglish's second reign as Liverpool manager

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Suarez quit if Kenny is sacked
http://www.koptalk.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads...t&Number=209939

fake news lol
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I think it might happen. That depends on the relationship of Suarez with KK.

Mascherano and Torres lost hope in our club since Rafa left.
That tells you the ex-manager does influence the players.
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I think J.Henry will like Rafa smile.gif Both are statistic freak ~
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:45 AM)
I think it might happen. That depends on the relationship of Suarez with KK.

Mascherano and Torres lost hope in our club since Rafa left.
That tells you the ex-manager does influence the players.
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Suarez was comfortable wif KD. Well see
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but seriously up until now no news about who is favourite or shortlisted to be the new manager yet?
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i have a feeling that we'll be seeing Rafa a lot more soon...

i was an admirer of Rafa all the way back in his Valencia days. but i also remember that Rafa lost it a bit in tactics and teamtalks during his final season.

dunno whether i wan rafa or not lol but who better to take the seat now?

pep? the guy wants to spend his money, leave him alone

capello? mourinho and all those big name managers i think will shunt this job. being Liverpool's manager is quite tricky really

if martinez takes over im sure there'll be someone shouting 'hodgson'

So perhaps it's time to let Rafa prove what he do with a table instead of just a lamp?
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Some reports saying FSG have talked to AVB.. let me look for sos...
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 01:52 AM)
but seriously up until now no news about who is favourite or shortlisted to be the new manager yet?
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:55 AM)
no...they just started after they sack KD
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They'll talk to every possible, out of contract / free candidate. Expect more rumours for next few hours / days.
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they should bring rafa back and then rafa could bring KD back to join his backroom staff
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stop playing Diablo then read about Kenny sacking.. WTF?

everywhere buzzing for Rafa's return. not unlikely but i think he will not accept if there's a director of football above him. still, its just speculation anyway. and there's bunch of us here wont like Rafa's 2nd coming..

anyway, thanks for everything Kenny. YNWA


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QUOTE(rushmode @ May 17 2012, 02:05 AM)
stop playing Diablo then read about Kenny sacking.. WTF?

everywhere buzzing for Rafa's return. not unlikely but i think he will not accept if there's a director of football above him

anyway, thanks for everything Kenny. YNWA
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I'm gobsmacked to be honest. And a bit disheartened, because lets face Kenny is Liverpool and vice versa. To see him go like this is a bit like saying there's no chance for us to find our way back to our roots. But if shit is about to get worse for us, then it's probably right that he should leave before that happens.

I'm not even sure i want to see Rafa back now. Not that i don't believe in him, i simply would hate it to see him fall like Kenny.
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QUOTE(imin @ May 17 2012, 02:14 AM)
Pretty good read I had.
At least it sums up how KK got the boots.


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:26 am
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I'm gobsmacked to be honest. And a bit disheartened, because lets face Kenny is Liverpool and vice versa. To see him go like this is a bit like saying there's no chance for us to find our way back to our roots. But if shit is about to get worse for us, then it's probably right that he should leave before that happens.

I'm not even sure i want to see Rafa back now. Not that i don't believe in him, i simply would hate it to see him fall like Kenny.
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The new manager, let it be Rafa or not, has to deliver results.
It is a fair game.
Otherwise, he should go like KK or other ex managers.

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Sad to see him go but he will forever be a Liverpool legend.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 02:23 AM)
Pretty good read I had.
At least it sums up how KK got the boots.


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:26 am
The new manager, let it be Rafa or not, has to deliver results.
It is a fair game.
Otherwise, he should go like KK or other ex managers.
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And we could spiral out of control if we keep chop and change managers. It sounds simple, deliver results or gtfo. But you know what would happen now ? The moment results start turning against us, new managers will automatically go into defensive mode because they fear the worst. Players will be advised by their agents that Liverpool FC are unstable and that you may play for Rafa for half a season and then someone like Hogdson for the remaining season.

I hope this time FSG do their homework and get the replacement spot on.
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...252-30985868/2/

Henry not afraid to sack manager who doesnt deliver result as the case Boston Red Sox, he fired the manager who managed to get in the play off but lost, and the next manager win them the world series, the last season failed to make the play off, henry sack the manager and the general manager. for henry its either result of you are gone, its doesnt matter if u win champion league the year before.. this is scary
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 02:39 AM)
And we could spiral out of control if we keep chop and change managers. It sounds simple, deliver results or gtfo. But you know what would happen now ? The moment results start turning against us, new managers will automatically go into defensive mode because they fear the worst. Players will be advised by their agents that Liverpool FC are unstable and that you may play for Rafa for half a season and then someone like Hogdson for the remaining season.

I hope this time FSG do their homework and  get the replacement spot on.
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Yup very true or look at it this way ..

Do we want a manager to continue the same philosophy Kenny has or has tried to instilled or do we start from scratch again?

Starting from scratch requires a clear out and 100 million to spend again. Imagine if someone like Martinez comes in .. do we pay over the odds for Franco Di Santo, Jordi Gomez and Victor Moses?


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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...252-30985868/2/

Henry not afraid to sack manager who doesnt deliver result as the case Boston Red Sox, he fired the manager who managed to get in the play off but lost, and the next manager win them the world series, the last season failed to make the play off, henry sack the manager and the general manager. for henry its either result of you are gone, its doesnt matter if u win champion league the year before.. this is scary
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Almost like Chelsea, eh?

I still believe in stability. Wenger and Ferguson have shown that!

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 02:47 AM)
Yup very true or look at it this way ..

Do we want a manager to continue the same philosophy Kenny has or has tried to instilled or do we start from scratch again?

Starting from scratch requires a clear out and 100 million to spend again. Imagine if someone like Martinez comes in .. do we pay over the odds for Franco Di Santo, Jordi Gomez and Victor Moses?


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:50 am

Almost like Chelsea, eh?

I still believe in stability. Wenger and Ferguson have shown that!
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but it tooks wenger and ferguson a few years to achieve stability, but sadly henry want instant success
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 02:51 AM)
but it tooks wenger and ferguson a few years to achieve stability, but sadly henry want instant success
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Then they will have to be prepared to invest heavily everytime a new manager comes in because sometimes a new manager wants to bring his players and new ideas and even one transfer (or two) won't be enough, i'm afraid.

And to be entirely honest, I don't think anyone - manager or player, would want to come to a club which is always in uncertainties.

Agents will tell their players, managers will think twice in case they don't make it and so on.

And apparently rumours that Ian Ayre has left the club? Now that's no manager, no DoF, no CEO.
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 02:55 AM)
Then they will have to be prepared to invest heavily everytime a new manager comes in because sometimes a new manager wants to bring his players and new ideas and even one transfer (or two) won't be enough, i'm afraid.

And to be entirely honest, I don't think anyone - manager or player, would want to come to a club which is always in uncertainties.

Agents will tell their players, managers will think twice in case they don't make it and so on.

And apparently rumours that Ian Ayre has left the club? Now that's no manager, no DoF, no CEO.
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thats what they did with boston red sox, read the article i posted just now

The Sox enjoyed a reasonably successful year but failed to make the play-offs and the following spring the owners brought in a new general manager.

Team manager Grady Little kept his job and the Red Sox embarked on a run that would take them desperately close to making the World Series, the climax of the Major League Baseball season.

However, in the pivotal game seven of the American League Championship Series against their deadliest rivals, the New York Yankees, a crucial decision by manager Little backfired.

The Yankees went on to win the game

Little’s contract was not renewed and the owners appointed former Philadelphia Phillies manager Terry Francona.

they appointed Terry Francona which brings them the world series tittle for 2 years in a row

but after a campaign last year which saw Boston implode in the final month to miss the play-offs on the very last day of the season, Francona and the general manager Theo Epstein left the ballclub




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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 02:59 AM)
thats what they did with boston red sox, read the article i posted just now
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Yup, just read it and to be honest, it's now how I exactly want the club to be run.

I like owners who are ruthless and want to win all the time but are we always going to sack a manager who doesn't finish top 4..
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 02:39 AM)
And we could spiral out of control if we keep chop and change managers. It sounds simple, deliver results or gtfo. But you know what would happen now ? The moment results start turning against us, new managers will automatically go into defensive mode because they fear the worst. Players will be advised by their agents that Liverpool FC are unstable and that you may play for Rafa for half a season and then someone like Hogdson for the remaining season.

I hope this time FSG do their homework and  get the replacement spot on.
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This has to be the way. It has to be result oriented.
All the giant clubs in Italy, Spain, England etc are doing it.

I can understand why. The salary of players ain't cheap. The tickets and merchandise ain't cheap.
Results has to be delivered. It's business. It's a profession.

All managers that unable to achieve the goals know the consequences.
They knew it before they accepted the job.
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 03:02 AM)
Yup, just read it and to be honest, it's now how I exactly want the club to be run.

I like owners who are ruthless and want to win all the time but are we always going to sack a manager who doesn't finish top 4..
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thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:18 AM)
thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that
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I don't think Henry expects Liverpool to win EPL just yet, but Champions league is where Liverpool should be, particularly when they have invested 100 million pounds per season. We were not even close to that..

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but it tooks wenger and ferguson a few years to achieve stability, but sadly henry want instant success
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Many said Fergurson needed years to deliver his 1st title.
That is not true.


Ferguson brought ManU to No.2 during his 1st full season as manager of ManU.
He revamped the scout and training system (i.e. produced young players like Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Scholes etc). He made sensible signings and enhanced the depth of squad (i.e. Steve Bruce, Roy Kean, Paul Ince)
All these are progresses. You can check the history, all these were done before he got his 1st league title.

Arsene did the same thing (if i'm not mistaken, Arsenal always play in Champions League under Arsene Wenger).
He made sensible signings (Marc Overmas, Thiery Henry, Emmanuel Petit, Patrick Viera...)
He has the best youth academy and squad in the league.
All these are proven progresses too, that keep him the job.

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If i were to analyse from a neutral point of view everything suggests AVB.

1)FSG wouldn't wanna spend money to buy managers out of their contract.They already had to pay off kenny,clarke,comolli and all the staff sacked recently.

This narrows down the options to three
1)AVB - unemployed currently. Positives:Emphasises attacking football,worked with mourinho before.
Negatives: Failed in the epl with chelsea,thinks he is as good as mourinho
2)Benitez- unemployed also: Positives:Master tactician.liverpool legend and has a point to prove after the last time.
Negatives:Tactically too rigid,poor man management,bad history with owners recently
3)Capello- sacked by england this year. Positives: Expressed interest recently in managing epl team,proven track record all over europe.
Negatives: Dull football that liverpool fans won't warm up to,wages maybe too demanding and too old.

Given that FSG wanted a young manager after they sacked roy i think AVB ticks most of the boxes FSG would want.

It will be from these three.If i am wrong,i will quit posting on here.


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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:18 AM)
thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that
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How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).

In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 17 2012, 03:34 AM)
If i were to analyse from a neutral point of view everything suggests AVB.

1)FSG wouldn't wanna spend money to buy managers out of their contract.They already had to pay off kenny,clarke,comolli and all the staff sacked recently.

This narrows down the options to three
1)AVB - unemployed currently. Positives:Emphasises attacking football,worked with mourinho before.
                                              Negatives: Failed in the epl with chelsea,thinks he is as good as mourinho
2)Benitez- unemployed also: Positives:Master tactician.liverpool legend and has a point to prove after the last time.
                                          Negatives:Tactically too rigid,poor man management,bad history with owners recently
3)Capello- sacked by england this year. Positives: Expressed interest recently in managing epl team,proven track record all over europe.
Negatives: Dull football that liverpool fans won't warm up to,wages maybe too demanding and too old.

Given that FSG wanted a young manager after they sacked roy i think AVB ticks most of the boxes FSG would want.

It will be from these three.If i am wrong,i will quit posting on here.
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So you think those are the candidates ? For a while i thought you only wanted the best for us.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:29 AM)
Many said Fergurson needed years to deliver his 1st title.
That is not true.
Ferguson brought ManU to No.2 during his 1st full season as manager of ManU.
He revamped the scout and training system (i.e. produced young players like Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Scholes etc). He made sensible signings and enhanced the depth of squad (i.e. Steve Bruce, Roy Kean, Paul Ince)
All these are progresses. You can check the history, all these were done before he got his 1st league title.

Arsene did the same thing (if i'm not mistaken, Arsenal always play in Champions League under Arsene Wenger).
He made sensible signings (Marc Overmas, Dennis Bergkemp, Thiery Henry, Emmanuel Petit, Patrick Viera...)
He has the best youth academy and squad in the league.
All these are proven progresses too, that keep him the job.
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again, read the link i posted earlier, henry expect a manager to win the world series on the same year they were appointed, if you fail, he sack, getting into play off but lost, you get booted out as well, miss the play off, you got to go as well, winning the world series 2 times in a row but 3rd year u failed, u get sacked as well.
Henry doesnt give u another year to prove, he expect the moment u r hired, you have to win premier league or either europa league
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:15 AM)
This has to be the way. It has to be result oriented.
All the giant clubs in Italy, Spain, England etc are doing it.

I can understand why. The salary of players ain't cheap. The tickets and merchandise ain't cheap.
Results has to be delivered. It's business. It's a profession.

All managers that unable to achieve the goals know the consequences.
They knew it before they accepted the job.
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Yes Aleune and i'm sure Villareal had the same idea. 3 seasons. 3 managers. Boom. Chop and change is not the way forward. That is a symptom of a problem. Only the super rich clubs can afford it, for others it's downright dangerous.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 03:48 AM)
Yes Aleune and i'm sure Villareal had the same idea. 3 seasons. 3 managers. Boom. Chop and change is not the way forward. That is a symptom of a problem. Only the super rich clubs can afford it, for others it's downright dangerous.
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Well, Henry came in with big ambition and huge transfer kit.

In fact, let it be big or small clubs, they all sack the unperformed managers.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:18 AM)
thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that
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Actually I meant "that's NOT how" and not "that's now how".

Lol, one letter wrong and I gave the sentence a whole new meaning! Sorry about that.

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:29 AM)
Many said Fergurson needed years to deliver his 1st title.
That is not true.
Ferguson brought ManU to No.2 during his 1st full season as managers.
He revamped the scout and training system (i.e. produced young players like Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Scholes etc). He made sensible signings and enhanced the depth of squad (i.e. Steve Bruce, Roy Kean, Paul Ince)
All these are progresses. You can check the history, all these were done before he got his 1st league title.

Arsene did the same thing (if i'm not mistaken, Arsenal always play in Champions League under Arsene Wenger).
He made sensible signings (Marc Overmas, Dennis Bergkemp, Thiery Henry, Emmanuel Petition, Patrick Viera...)
He has the best youth academy and squad in the league.
All these are proven progresses too, that keep him the job.
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He finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th. Winning his first trophy in his 4th year (FA Cup) and first league title in his 7th season. During 1985 to 1990, English clubs couldn't play European so where you finished didn't really bring any good stuff (other than 1st of course) and it was us who won 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 with Everton winning 1986-1987 and Arsenal winning the other one.

Yes, you said he revamped and isn't that what Rafa did and Kenny slowly introduced the academy players into the squad? Maybe his signings were not the best but we had a small pool to choose from in all honesty. 8th position but two finals, winning one and qualifying for Europe, could be considered progression. Also has 32 trophies in 15 years with Liverpool (player and manager) and Ferguson has 37 in 28 years wink.gif.

I don't know much about Arsene Wenger other than him winning 3 league titles but look at them now, terrible start to the season but still finished in 3rd place. It's his philosophy and belief that reap rewards - something we decided to throw away that made us successful.
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How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).

In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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i agree with that, i always love the way arsenal plays when they have the likes of henry,bergkamp and pires, they play very nice attractive football, but 1 think i do realise with liverpool is that, no matter how good a player technical ability is or how good is their dribbling skill because they sign for liverpool, but after they sign with us, its like they totally lost it. im guessing player arent allow to show off their skill in liverpool?
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:47 AM)
again, read the link i posted earlier, henry expect a manager to win the world series on the same year they were appointed, if you fail, he sack, getting into play off but lost, you get booted out as well, miss the play off, you got to go as well, winning the world series 2 times in a row but 3rd year u failed, u get sacked as well.
Henry doesnt give u another year to prove, he expect the moment u r hired, you have to win premier league or either europa league
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if we can play like Barcelona, even if we keep hitting woodworks and ended 10th place, i'd rate KK achieved an excellent result.

Let's forget about Henry for a moment, let's rate KK performance.
Result (league position)? Failed
Sensible signings? Failed, even the KK's boss has an impression that those signings are a waste. Failed.
Good football? No.
Depth of squad (after spending 100 millions)? Failed. It's nail on the head.
Future development? I don't see it. But i'll give the benefits of doubt to KK that there's big plan in the pipeline.

For me, it's pretty bad job done.

p/s Arsene Wenger brought Arsenal to No.3 during his 1st season. Excellent result.
He won the league title in the following season.


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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 03:52 AM)
Actually I meant "that's NOT how" and not "that's now how".

Lol, one letter wrong and I gave the sentence a whole new meaning! Sorry about that.
He finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th. Winning his first trophy in his 4th year (FA Cup) and first league title in his 7th season. During 1985 to 1990, English clubs couldn't play European so where you finished didn't really bring any good stuff (other than 1st of course) and it was us who won 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 with Everton winning 1986-1987 and Arsenal winning the other one.

Yes, you said he revamped and isn't that what Rafa did and Kenny slowly introduced the academy players into the squad? Maybe his signings were not the best but we had a small pool to choose from in all honesty. 8th position but two finals, winning one and qualifying for Europe, could be considered progression. Also has 32 trophies in 15 years with Liverpool (player and manager) and Ferguson has 37 in 28 years wink.gif.

I don't know much about Arsene Wenger other than him winning 3 league titles but look at them now, terrible start to the season but still finished in 3rd place. It's his philosophy and belief that reap rewards - something we decided to throw away that made us successful.
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He brought ManU to 1st runner up during his FULL season. Excellent result that sealed his job.

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Well, Henry came in with big ambition and huge transfer kit.

In fact, let it be big or small clubs, they all sack the unperformed managers.
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Well if he had big ambitions and then why did he sanction the transfer of Carroll, Downing and Adam ?

And sacking managers dosn't necessarily means its the right thing to do. You can go back and trace where sometimes it pays off to persevere. But this is not what bothers me the most, it's the club's indecisiveness and reckless decision making that's has put us in this path. You realize we now have no key staffs at the club. No CEO, no head of communication, no manager and no DOF.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 04:01 AM)
i agree with that, i always love the way arsenal plays when they have the likes of henry,bergkamp and pires, they play very nice attractive football, but 1 think i do realise with liverpool is that, no matter how good a player technical ability is or how good is their dribbling skill because they sign for liverpool, but after they sign with us, its like they totally lost it. im guessing player arent allow to show off their skill in liverpool?
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One way to explain that is bad tactics and formation were adopted.

Remember how we kept sending long ball under Uncle Roy? Torres was chasing the ball like headless chicken.
This season we saw balls were consistently crossed from the left, Downing and Erique.
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sad to see Kenny go but club is always be the priority.. now FSG need to get the right manager for the club else Kenny i would imagine he would be disappointed if the club did not improve.

Good news is new manager, i guess more transfer fund? please get the right players pretty please..

anyway i hope Kenny come back as ambassadorial role again, he is always a Legend!
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but why didnt FSG appoint KD on another role? why did they just sack him and let him go
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Well if he had big ambitions and then why did he sanction the transfer of Carroll, Downing and Adam ?

And sacking managers dosn't necessarily means its the right thing to do. You can go back and trace where sometimes it pays off to persevere. But this is not what bothers me the most, it's the club's indecisiveness and reckless decision making that's has put us in this path. You realize we now have no key staffs at the club. No CEO, no head of communication, no manager and no DOF.
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He trusted King Kenny, like the rest of us 18 months ago.

If he knew those are the flops, which would have made him God, I bet he'd rather keep those 100millions in American bank.


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but why didnt FSG appoint KD on another role? why did they just sack him and let him go
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We do not know what was discussed.
May be there was an offer but KK turned it down.
I remember an article mentioned that KK flew to Boston to have "back me or sack me".

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Ayre staying with Reds
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Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre has paid tribute to Kenny Dalglish whilst rubbishing claims that he had also left the club.

The Merseyside giants confirmed the departure of Dalglish on Wednesday, sacking the Anfield legend after their worst league campaign in over half a century.

Ayre, speaking to Sky Sports News, confirmed that Dalglish was still held in the highest regard by the club.

"Obviously it was a difficult decision, he is a great legend of this football club who has brought a lot, even in this last 18 months," said Ayre.

"But we feel it is the right decision and something we have to move forward with, but lots of praise and admiration for the great man.

"We have a big long-term plan for this club, and we have always talked about moving forward and progress on and off the pitch, we have created a lot of foundation to build the business on and increase revenue and other things.

"But next, the most important thing is football and results were perhaps not where we wanted them to be and that drives the decision."

Quizzed about whether Dalglish could again move to a role 'upstairs' at Anfield, he refused to be drawn.

Moving forward

"Today is about moving forward and the future is for discussion in the future," he said.

He was also quick to deny rumours suggesting that he was also on his way out of Anfield

"Absolutely not, no question of that from my point of view, and no induction of that from anyone upstairs," he said.

"The football club is now in a much healthier shape than it was last January off the pitch.

"The owners have removed the debt and everything is now being put in place to compete commercially and financially with our main rivals.

"The only missing piece of the jigsaw - the most important piece of the jigsaw - is football and success in the Premier League.

"The club has a clear long-term strategy in place to get to where we want to be - on and off the pitch - and that is why changes have been made on both the football and business sides of the club.

"Whilst Kenny is disappointed to have left, he's a man of great dignity and the respect we have for him will never change."
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QUOTE(kevafk @ May 17 2012, 04:09 AM)
sad to see Kenny go but club is always be the priority.. now FSG need to get the right manager for the club else Kenny i would imagine he would be disappointed if the club did not improve.

Good news is new manager, i guess more transfer fund? please get the right players pretty please..

anyway i hope Kenny come back as ambassadorial role again, he is always a Legend!
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Once bitten twice shy.
I doubt the new manager will have another 100 millions to spend.
KK is always a legend. He still holds the record of win %.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 04:10 AM)
He trusted King Kenny, like the rest of us 18 months ago.

If he knew those are the flops, which would have made him God, I bet he'd rather keep those 100millions in American bank.
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That's exactly the point. He had to know. Any sensible owners should had been more careful with just trust. Stop thinking that FSG is blameless in all of this. They were the one that hired Kenny, then let him spent that money despite having placed a DOF to oversee Kenny.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 04:01 AM)
Let's forget about Henry for a moment, let's rate KK performance.
Result (league position)? Failed
Sensible signings? Failed, even the KK's boss has an impression that those signings are a waste. Failed.
Good football? No.
Depth of squad (after spending 100 millions)? Failed. It's nail on the head.
Future development? I don't see it. But i'll give the benefits of doubt to KK that there's big plan in the pipeline.

For me, it's pretty bad job done.

p/s Arsene Wenger brought Arsenal to No.3 during his 1st season. Excellent result.
He won the league title in the following season.


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11th? Alex appointed in mid-season.
He brought ManU to 1st runner during his FULL season. Excellent result that sealed his job.
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League position - terrible.

Sensible signings - Only Downing, Carroll and if you want Henderson but these guys were brought for HG quota in mind as well and that comes with a premium. Adam - well, 7 million not exactly terrible. Bellamy, Coates, Suarez and Enrique - not so bad.

Good football? Certainly better than what we were playing towards the end of Rafa's tenure and under Roy. Good enough to hit woodwork 33 times as well. Defensively .. joint third in best defence.

Depth of squad - You aren't going to have a depth of squad in one full season where you've got rid of almost 10 deadwoods. Would you prefer to have Mata, Augero and Young as first team players but Poulsen, Konchesky, Degen and N'gog as back ups? I'd rather give him another season to buy some established players then have Downing, Adam, Carroll as back ups. In short, you need wayyyyyyyyy more than 100 million (well 58 came from Torres + Babel's sale) to even build a first team, let alone the bench. So technically, FSG only invested 42 million.

As for Arsenal .. they pretty much had to just compete with Man United, Newcastle and maybe ourselves back then. Now we've got to compete with Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and maybe even Newcastle.

Okay so he was appointed mid season and finished 2nd in the next season, which means f*** all and goes on a 11th, 13th and 6th the next season? And in that same exact time, Kenny Daglish wins the double in his first season.

Second stint, half season not so bad but first full season terrible but people forget the nightmare we were in 2 years before and a huge change of fortune is needed in all honesty. Improvements and progression is more than just about one (and a half) season.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:35 AM)
How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).


In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Sensible signings is probably the part the owners are concerned about, and it makes perfect sense. 20 million for Henderson and Downing, 35 million for Carroll just don't make any sense. Although I'd say Bellamy and Enrique are arguably the best players, and needless to emphasize on Luis Suarez. We could probably have signed somebody like Javi Martinez or Juan Mata, who are way better than Hendo or Downing. I understand Hendo and Carroll have the potential to be a decent players. Perhaps if we had signed them for one quarter or half of the price, the situation would have been a lot different. But still, thanks for everything Kenny. Once a legend, always a legend.

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That's exactly the point. He had to know. Any sensible owners should had been more careful with just trust. Stop thinking that FSG is blameless in all of this. They were the one that hired Kenny, then let him spent that money despite having placed a DOF to oversee Kenny.
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I don't see how FSG share the blames.
As club owner, he gave all the support needed by the manager, in particularly financial support.
What else he could do beside put his trust in Liverpool legend?

For the appointment of DOF, it was the money ball guy that recommended Comolli to Henry.
He had to trust these guys to deliver results.

It's not a problem. Workers that can't deliver job will be sacked. It's common in business world.

The problem only arised among fans, where some groups did not want to see KK sacked.

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League position - terrible.

Sensible signings - Only Downing, Carroll and if you want Henderson but these guys were brought for HG quota in mind as well and that comes with a premium. Adam - well, 7 million not exactly terrible. Bellamy, Coates, Suarez and Enrique - not so bad.

Good football? Certainly better than what we were playing towards the end of Rafa's tenure and under Roy. Good enough to hit woodwork 33 times as well. Defensively .. joint third in best defence.

Depth of squad - You aren't going to have a depth of squad in one full season where you've got rid of almost 10 deadwoods. Would you prefer to have Mata, Augero and Young as first team players but Poulsen, Konchesky, Degen and N'gog as back ups? I'd rather give him another season to buy some established players then have Downing, Adam, Carroll as back ups. In short, you need wayyyyyyyyy more than 100 million (well 58 came from Torres + Babel's sale) to even build a first team, let alone the bench. So technically, FSG only invested 42 million.

As for Arsenal .. they pretty much had to just compete with Man United, Newcastle and maybe ourselves back then. Now we've got to compete with Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and maybe even Newcastle.

Okay so he was appointed mid season and finished 2nd in the next season, which means f*** all and goes on a 11th, 13th and 6th the next season? And in that same exact time, Kenny Daglish wins the double in his first season.

Second stint, half season not so bad but first full season terrible but people forget the nightmare we were in 2 years before and a huge change of fortune is needed in all honesty. Improvements and progression is more than just about one (and a half) season.
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There are many articles rating the performance of KK.

Good football. Well, I see it bad in most games, including the carling cup final. We could hardly hold the opponent (adam sent the ball to the moon)

Depth of squad. As many pointed, we could have bought 3-5 world class players with the money we had.

p/s I don't rate Carroll a good signing. He still has a long way to prove.
I think Suarez is the best signing. But honestly speaking, he is still not the top scorer in the league. You can check how many goals he scored in 1.5 seasons. Not exactly "world class".

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My vote goes to, L. Van Gaal, L. Blanc or AVB.. Its gone b an exiciting summer.. New manager n new signings.. Could it open up the door for Maxi n Kuyt or asked to leave?
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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ May 17 2012, 04:27 AM)
Couldn't have said it better myself. Sensible signings is probably the part the owners are concerned about, and it makes perfect sense. 20 million for Henderson and Downing, 35 million for Carroll just don't make any sense. Although I'd say Bellamy and Enrique are arguably the best players, and needless to emphasize on Luis Suarez. We could probably have signed somebody like Javi Martinez or Juan Mata, who are way better than Hendo or Downing. I understand Hendo and Carroll have the potential to be a decent players. Perhaps if we had signed them for one quarter or half of the price, the situation would have been a lot different. But still, thanks for everything Kenny. Once a legend, always a legend.
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The English lads have home grown premium and Henderson and Carroll are ones for the future. Why do people harp on their fees but no mention of Phil Jones costing 16 million (shite anyways and younger than Henderson), De Gea (20 million and no home grown premium and also shite) and Chelsea paying 18 million for Lukaku (also no home ground premium) who hardly played a game there. Also part of the reason for their high fees is due to Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Real Madrid and Barcelona inflating the fees like crazy.

One reason we paid for Henderson, Downing and Adam I think is because they were three of the leagues chances creators and having played in the league already, it's completely understandable but players have proven that whether you are actually Premier League proven does not matter anymore.

As for Juan Mata, I would love him here but he would probably not come anyway but yeah, I agree, I would take Mata over Downing any day.

As for Martinez, I hope we do sign him this summer actually.
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thanks for the memories, K Dalglish

gutted.


it will be difficult for liverpoolfc. its now likely we'll be years more in the wilderness.



QUOTE(messy @ May 17 2012, 12:50 AM)
Actually the board should give KD another season. I believe he can change something up. So far i see no other manager who is better than KD. Either hire back rafa or spend money hire germany coach joachim LOWWW
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The current core of the liverpool squad isn't good enough to crack into CL spot (any where near 4th spot next season), and I don't know any manager let alone rafa can pull it off. As much as i think rafa should be the candidate, i'm thinking its maybe premature for liverpoolfc investing in him. maybe FSG thinks rafa is difficult (hence afraid) and may get another round of fans to revolt if funds are streaming in??? rclxub.gif



i cant exactly would blame FSG for hiring KD back then (as some of the forumers pointed), They hired KD because WE the fans wanted Roy out AND at that time the popular sentiment from us was towards KD. Liverpool didnt have much time as we were close to trelegation then, what KD did for the next 6 months gave the impression he's up for it. How can FSG not employ KD after what we all thought too he 'saved' us & brought us close to fighting for places in 2010-2011. What happened in 2011-2012 completely spoiled for KD (which is partly his believe in the downing, adam, henderson and the complete waste of money on carroll)

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 04:27 AM)
I don't see how FSG share the blames.
As club owner, he gave all the support needed by the manager, in particularly financial support.
What else he could do beside put his trust in Liverpool legend?

For the appointment of DOF, it was the money ball gamed that recommended Comolli to Henry.
He had to trust these guys to deliver results.

It's not a problem. Workers that can't deliver job will be sacked. It's common in business world.

The problem only arised among fans, where some groups did not want to see KK sacked.
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What could he do ? Simple. Leadership. But when you start hiring people and then sacking them and then repeating the process again and again. People will start wondering whether you are making the right decisions. Surely you can understand at least that much.

My beef is not with the sacking of Kenny but the lack of leadership from FSG. And no i don;t consider sacking people as showing leadership either. The club has to do much more than that.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 17 2012, 04:40 AM)
thanks for the memories, K Dalglish

gutted.
it will be difficult for liverpoolfc. its now likely we'll be years more in the wilderness.
The current core of the liverpool squad isn't good enough to crack into CL spot (any where near 4th spot next season), and I don't know any manager let alone rafa can pull it off. As much as i think rafa should be the candidate, i'm thinking its maybe premature for liverpoolfc investing in him. maybe FSG thinks rafa is difficult (hence afraid) and may get another round of fans to revolt if funds are streaming in???  rclxub.gif
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What could he do ? Simple. Leadership. But when you start hiring people and then sacking them and then repeating the process again and again. People will start wondering whether you are making the right decisions. Surely you can understand at least that much.

My beef is not with the sacking of Kenny but the lack of leadership of FSG. And no i don;t consider sacking people is a show of leadership either. The club has to do much more than that.
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In football world, this has been the case.
We see sacking of managers every season.

The club owners have to weigh the decision, on how to deal with the managers that fail to deliver results.
That is the role. For me, it is part of the leadership in shipping out the poor performers.
After all it is the owner paying the switching cost (compensations, contract terminations,etc)

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 05:46 AM)
Fans to revolt? I think that should not be the reason to sack the manager.


Added on May 17, 2012, 4:52 am
In football world, this has been the case.
We see sacking of managers every season.

The club owners have to weigh the decision, on how to deal with the managers that fail to deliver results.
That is the role. For me, it is part of the leadership in shipping out the poor performers.
After all it is the owner paying the switching cost (compensations, contract terminations,etc)
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i'm pretty sure rafa help to point out the glaring non supporting then owners to the fans (hence the big dissatisfaction displayed/banners of the "owners out")

having said that, i see the end of carrager, bellamy & probably even gerrard careers if rafa comes back. i think the owners will go for Roberto Martinez, though i fancy Jürgen Klopp

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 17 2012, 05:07 AM
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post May 17 2012, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 04:39 AM)
The English lads have home grown premium and Henderson and Carroll are ones for the future. Why do people harp on their fees but no mention of Phil Jones costing 16 million (shite anyways and younger than Henderson), De Gea (20 million and no home grown premium and also shite) and Chelsea paying 18 million for Lukaku (also no home ground premium) who hardly played a game there. Also part of the reason for their high fees is due to Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Real Madrid and Barcelona inflating the fees like crazy.

One reason we paid for Henderson, Downing and Adam I think is because they were three of the leagues chances creators and having played in the league already, it's completely understandable but players have proven that whether you are actually Premier League proven does not matter anymore.

As for Juan Mata, I would love him here but he would probably not come anyway but yeah, I agree, I would take Mata over Downing any day.

As for Martinez, I hope we do sign him this summer actually.
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Well, Liverpool could always reject or try to negotiate if the price was too high. Why sign Henderson for 20 million when we had Meireles and Aquaman at that time? Don't forget Hendo was signed in early June, so Meireles was still quite settled in the Liverpool team. Plus, why are we so bothered about HG status when we weren't even in Europe! (I know EPL has its own HG regulations) For the others, I am pretty sure fans from those teams have their own complaints anyway but to be honest I don't think Jones was shite. In fact I thought it was a decent buy for United. Oh and, remember how De Gea had his own criticisms as well sometime during mid-season? As for Lukaku, he hasn't really been playing a lot of football, so Chelsea's poor result basically has nothing to do with him. Whereas players like Adam, Henderson and Downing constantly hit the starting lineup, and their failure was perhaps the main reason for Kenny's departure. Would have been different if Kenny had dropped them when they were out of form.

On a side note, good to hear that Steve Clarke is still at Liverpool and Roberto Martinez is not shortlisted according to Ian Ayre.

This post has been edited by vcj1992: May 17 2012, 04:59 AM

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