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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 14 2012, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any  excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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someone let henry know to bring Rafa back please!!
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post May 14 2012, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:26 PM)
My opinion is that we should look forward not the past.
People said kenny had unfinished business at liverpool when he came and it turned out very badly with very little progress or lack of it.
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we should look forward, but at the moment which top class manager would wanna manage liverpool other than Rafa? no top class manager would wanna manage liverpool now because they know they will be constantly in pressure to bring to club back to top four so they would rather manage club that has been in a stable league position.

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Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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Kuyt claims he is being forced out of Liverpool

Out of favour Dutch striker Dirk Kuyt has put Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish in a spot.

Kuyt claims he is being forced out by Dalglish.

He said: "Under this manager I don’t have the feeling any more that he will put me in the side every week.

“I’m under no illusion about playing every week. But I believe I am still good enough to play for Liverpool every week.

“My physical stats are better than ever before.”

The Dutch star slammed the rotation policy followed by Dalglish for his loss in form.

“Last season I was scoring goals all over the place. But this season the manager bought three players who all played in my position," he said referring to Luiz Suarez, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing.

“In the rotation system he used, I never found my rhythm again and never felt my old self," he added after being kept on the bench for most of the season.

He made a plea to the Liverpool management to give him one final chance to bid farewell in style to the club he loved.


Man Utd boss Ferguson tells players to remember taunting Sunderland fans

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has told his players to remember the taunts of Sunderland fans on Sunday.

The celebrations of the Sunderland fans clearly left a bitter taste after Manchester City's shock title triumph.

"I am a winner," said Ferguson.

"When we lost the league to Leeds in 1992, the young players - Neville, Scholes, Giggs - came out that day and the Liverpool supporters were asking for their autographs. Then they (the supporters) were tearing the autographs up - I told the players to remember that.

"I said to those Sunderland fans who were cheering for City: 'Remember the day. We won't forget that. I am telling you'."
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 15 2012, 08:58 PM)
I can just imagine it. "Kenny thanks for coming .. you're fired" lol

On a serious note, aren't we going to the US for pre season ? Kenny going down there probably means he's just meeting people. Formalities etc. And i thought his son resides in the US now. I seriously doubt he went to the US just to talk about his future at the club. I mean even Rafa wasn't that desperate.
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i thought Henry did not summon KD to US, its KD who wanted to go to US to ask the owner about his future at the club. but i got a feeling that KD already stepped down from the club, if not why does the club refuse to comment on it?
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i believe the only reason KD step down is because the owners is not satisfied with the direction the club is going and KD feels he might have bring the club down so hence he stepped down..
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I hope rafa will come back but I think Kd should be given another season, even rafa himself said that when he left the club, Tom , d*** and Harry fire all the staff rafa brought in.. That's why our performance was so poor.. Henry should bring back all those staff and I believe with them Kd can bring Liverpool to the top
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QUOTE(madmoz @ May 16 2012, 05:23 PM)
I only have one question to ask.
"Where is the new stadium?" sad.gif
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The new stadium will be build soon by 2020.. That's why we have wawasan 2020
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post May 17 2012, 01:06 AM

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it was really sad to see KD go even though i feel that liverpool are doing badly in the league, but i really do feel he should be given another year..
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post May 17 2012, 01:52 AM

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but seriously up until now no news about who is favourite or shortlisted to be the new manager yet?
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:55 AM)
no...they just started after they sack KD
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but i thought usually they will have someone in mind before sacking someone rather than to sack someone then only find a candidate
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they should bring rafa back and then rafa could bring KD back to join his backroom staff
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QUOTE(rushmode @ May 17 2012, 02:05 AM)
stop playing Diablo then read about Kenny sacking.. WTF?

everywhere buzzing for Rafa's return. not unlikely but i think he will not accept if there's a director of football above him

anyway, thanks for everything Kenny. YNWA
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off topic..someone people has already finnished playing diablo 3 , imagine the developers takes years to complete the game and estimate roughly it would take a player to finnish the game in around 6months, but yet they managed to finnish it in 6 hours lol..maximum pwnage

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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...252-30985868/2/

Henry not afraid to sack manager who doesnt deliver result as the case Boston Red Sox, he fired the manager who managed to get in the play off but lost, and the next manager win them the world series, the last season failed to make the play off, henry sack the manager and the general manager. for henry its either result of you are gone, its doesnt matter if u win champion league the year before.. this is scary
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 02:47 AM)
Yup very true or look at it this way ..

Do we want a manager to continue the same philosophy Kenny has or has tried to instilled or do we start from scratch again?

Starting from scratch requires a clear out and 100 million to spend again. Imagine if someone like Martinez comes in .. do we pay over the odds for Franco Di Santo, Jordi Gomez and Victor Moses?


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:50 am

Almost like Chelsea, eh?

I still believe in stability. Wenger and Ferguson have shown that!
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but it tooks wenger and ferguson a few years to achieve stability, but sadly henry want instant success
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 02:55 AM)
Then they will have to be prepared to invest heavily everytime a new manager comes in because sometimes a new manager wants to bring his players and new ideas and even one transfer (or two) won't be enough, i'm afraid.

And to be entirely honest, I don't think anyone - manager or player, would want to come to a club which is always in uncertainties.

Agents will tell their players, managers will think twice in case they don't make it and so on.

And apparently rumours that Ian Ayre has left the club? Now that's no manager, no DoF, no CEO.
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thats what they did with boston red sox, read the article i posted just now

The Sox enjoyed a reasonably successful year but failed to make the play-offs and the following spring the owners brought in a new general manager.

Team manager Grady Little kept his job and the Red Sox embarked on a run that would take them desperately close to making the World Series, the climax of the Major League Baseball season.

However, in the pivotal game seven of the American League Championship Series against their deadliest rivals, the New York Yankees, a crucial decision by manager Little backfired.

The Yankees went on to win the game

Little’s contract was not renewed and the owners appointed former Philadelphia Phillies manager Terry Francona.

they appointed Terry Francona which brings them the world series tittle for 2 years in a row

but after a campaign last year which saw Boston implode in the final month to miss the play-offs on the very last day of the season, Francona and the general manager Theo Epstein left the ballclub




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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 03:02 AM)
Yup, just read it and to be honest, it's now how I exactly want the club to be run.

I like owners who are ruthless and want to win all the time but are we always going to sack a manager who doesn't finish top 4..
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thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:29 AM)
Many said Fergurson needed years to deliver his 1st title.
That is not true.
Ferguson brought ManU to No.2 during his 1st full season as manager of ManU.
He revamped the scout and training system (i.e. produced young players like Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Scholes etc). He made sensible signings and enhanced the depth of squad (i.e. Steve Bruce, Roy Kean, Paul Ince)
All these are progresses. You can check the history, all these were done before he got his 1st league title.

Arsene did the same thing (if i'm not mistaken, Arsenal always play in Champions League under Arsene Wenger).
He made sensible signings (Marc Overmas, Dennis Bergkemp, Thiery Henry, Emmanuel Petit, Patrick Viera...)
He has the best youth academy and squad in the league.
All these are proven progresses too, that keep him the job.
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again, read the link i posted earlier, henry expect a manager to win the world series on the same year they were appointed, if you fail, he sack, getting into play off but lost, you get booted out as well, miss the play off, you got to go as well, winning the world series 2 times in a row but 3rd year u failed, u get sacked as well.
Henry doesnt give u another year to prove, he expect the moment u r hired, you have to win premier league or either europa league
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:35 AM)
How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).

In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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i agree with that, i always love the way arsenal plays when they have the likes of henry,bergkamp and pires, they play very nice attractive football, but 1 think i do realise with liverpool is that, no matter how good a player technical ability is or how good is their dribbling skill because they sign for liverpool, but after they sign with us, its like they totally lost it. im guessing player arent allow to show off their skill in liverpool?
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but why didnt FSG appoint KD on another role? why did they just sack him and let him go

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