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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!
English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!
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May 14 2012, 03:56 PM
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May 14 2012, 04:24 PM
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May 14 2012, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 14 2012, 05:25 PM) You will know when checking out after placing your order into the basket. Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.If the free t shirt is there, then it is available. If it's not then it's already sold out. Basically buying size XL will automatically get XL size free shirt. Unfortunately, you are unable to choose to other size in case the free shirt is out of stock. I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK: |
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May 14 2012, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 14 2012, 06:01 PM) Yeah, the Adidas kit is more to a dark blood colour while the new kit is more orangey, closer to our old kits.QUOTE(SuperDuperFaith @ May 14 2012, 06:25 PM) Why is it that our big players (The big Cs - Crouch, Coates and now Carroll) are the ones who could score overhead goals? QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 06:30 PM) Adam is obviously skilled but his lack of atheletism is a problem in high tempo game. But what's more worrying is his mindset. I can understand players mishitting a long pass every now and then, but Adam fails to make a delivery from a dead ball and that's a big problem. The problem I have Adam is that he's slow and I'm don't mean his pace. There's a saying in football, "The first 5 yards is in the head," unfortunately Adam doesn't have that. He's the type of player needs time on the ball and whenever he's pressured he tends to make mistakes. Even when he delivers that Hollywood pass, he only does it in 2 conditions:1) He has ample of space ahead of him to push the ball forward 2) The ball is in the perfect position for him to swing his left foot In the first half of the season you can see Lucas doing a lot of the dirty work, often relieving Adam from the pressure. But as soon Lucas got injured, he has been exposed over and over again. As for dead ball situations and set pieces, do you still remember Ferguson once claimed that Adam's corners are worth 10million alone? |
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May 14 2012, 08:25 PM
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May 14 2012, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 08:31 PM) I think you're spot on. He's not quick in the mind and this further handicaps him given his below average physique. As a result he often becomes ponderous on the ball and looking lost when off the ball. Xabi had no real pace but the quickness of mind allowed him to make quick decisions like sensing danger before it happens or the ability to create space when pressured. Average physique? That's very kind of you. QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:31 PM) Lucas leiva was young and had no epl experience when he came.All these so called british talent henderson,downing and adam had plenty of experience.Besides,we didn't pay silly money like we did for downing and adam. You're completely missing my point here. Why do people bring up Lucas' case all the time? Because it's the classic case where the fans don't know any better. All I'm saying is, if we left the club to be managed by the fans, Lucas would have been sold for free 3 seasons ago.My point is don't compare apple and oranges.People like to bring up lucas at the slightest bit. You pointed out that the number of people who don't mind Kenny leaving outnumbered the rest but truth is, it doesn't mean a single thing. This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: May 14 2012, 09:06 PM |
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May 14 2012, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 14 2012, 08:51 PM) Rafa Benitez, one of the greatest managers ever to grace the club. Now is it?It's a cardinal sin FSG is not rehiring him back really. IRWT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Kenny leaves, although my heart says Benitez but my head says otherwise. Yes, no doubt Rafa will guide us to top 4 and get us back to one of Europe's elite. We will be tight again and teams will find it tough to break us down. But will we win the Premier League eventually? I don't know. Rafa was given 6 years at the club but it was only in that half season that we looked like challenging for the title. Days where we struggled to create chances (As opposed to our woes this season, where we've created a whole load of chances but not scored) against the likes of Stokes shouldn't be forgotten. Sure, you may argue that Rafa wasn't given the funds or the power to sign the players he wanted. However, with the current predicament I doubt FSG would be likely to spludge. Moreover, if he's going to report to a Director of Football, can they work together? This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: May 14 2012, 09:16 PM |
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May 14 2012, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 09:38 PM) Well we don't really have a DOF currently. But i can see there may be problems if there was one and Rafa's the manager. But its been awhile since his last job so he may have changed a bit or maybe even discover new methods. Slim chance but a chance nevertheless. Just think how players like Carroll can benefit from the hands on training of Rafa Benitez. I for one think that Stuart Downing would be the one benefit the most. When people say we should look forward and not backwards that's simply not true with Rafa Benitez. He's a forward thinking manager and he's not restrained by football cliches. Unless you want the ultra extreme forward thinking managers like Jurgen Klopp, not that i think he would leave Dortmund for a club like ours - Rafa is as modern as it gets. People can argue all they want about his rotations or zone marking or lack of goals or even his ego - but his team was up there as one of European elites. We were simply a force to be reckon with. Well I know what you're saying about Rafa. I was a staunch supporter of Rafa, still am. But even so, I'm still unsure if he's able to crack the Premier League code. Having that said, IMO it's highly unlikely that Rafa will be called for the job. He doesn't fit FSG's profile as they are looking for a young manager. How about... Cruyff for DOF and Guardiola for manager? |
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May 15 2012, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 10:30 PM) There's always that doubt led, even im not 100% sure of Rafa or any other manager for that matter. There'll always be doubts on any new manager who takes over but Rafa's doubt is backed by the fact that he has managed us for 6 seasons. I, for one would be delighted if he returns, but I won't expect us to be setting the Manchester alarms off in the next few seasons.With Downing, I'm not sure what Rafa will do with him. I don't think he rates him that highly because he's had the chance to sign him before and he never did. Rafa rates the player's mentality higher than their ability, he would go as far as to sign players with bad rep because even they have strong mentality. The only exception was Babel, but he was more like Rafa's wildcard - as shit as he was, he could still pull off the unexpected. I don't think Carroll's would be Rafa's first choice to replace Torres but I remember him saying he wanted Keane and Torres up front with Barry to play on the left. That would mean a variation of the 442 formation, which can easily feature both Suarez and Carroll. I'm all for younger manager but younger manager generally needs more time to develop their ideas. If we sack Kenny now, we will be most certainly not giving the younger managers time to develop their own ideas. This is the dilemma for us right now. But yeah, Cruyff and Pep sounds good. Somehow i feel we will be looking at the Spanish to solve our predicament. Which is why i think Martinez's name is being thrown about. I will not even be surprise if Borrell happens to become our manager one day. You're right about younger managers need more time for development, in fact any manager needs a good amount of time to impose his vision. Which is why despite having all these discussions, I'm still firm in my opinion that King Kenny should be given another season to turn things around. Many of us here thinks that there's lots of work to be done, which is true but at least he has laid the foundation to build on. In Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrrad, Suarez and Carroll I'd argued that we have pretty decent spine, something we desperately lacked of in the past 2 seasons. Many have forgotten than in Rafa's last season, our team was breaking apart and this was exacerbated by Woy's transfer dealings. |
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May 15 2012, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 04:18 PM) Instead of you telling us Kenny's fault - in which you have presented your case for the 100th time - how about you tell us what Kenny has done right all season?Honestly, I find a few of your points overly negative and could pick out a few flaws in your argument but humor me for awhile with my question above. I'm sure you can find a few good points unless you truly believe that he has screwed everything up... which incidentally means that he's no better than Roy. |
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May 15 2012, 10:47 PM
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Check out the latest episode of The Anfield Wrap:
The Anfield Wrap - Ep 42 A podcast episode dedicated specially on the topic of Kenny. Sound argument presented by both sides of the coin, & even by those who are sitting on the fence. |
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May 17 2012, 11:23 AM
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Sad to see King Kenny leaving but can't say I'm surprised. Always a legend at Liverpoo, YNWA!
I applaud the owners though for being decisive with their actions. Since they were no longer backing the manager, they did what is needed to be done swiftly without wasting any time. Having that said, I do hope the owners be quick to seek a replacement, as to ensure the new manager would have sufficient time to organize and prepare for the next season. Personally, I would want an experienced manager to come in, names such as Rafa, Mourinho or even Van Gaal come to mind. Word is, FSG are leaning towards hiring a younger manager such as AVB, Guardiola or even - God forbid - flavour of the month Roberto Martinez. I'm all for younger managers, but are we going to give him time (Read: 4-5 seasons) to build his team? Can we, or more importantly the owners stomach one or 2 more seasons without Champions League football? |
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 03:54 PM) I'm just saying we shouldn't be too hasty appointing a new manager. We have to thoroughly exhaust our options and make sure we don't overlook any potential candidates - no matter how unimpressive their CVs are. You are right about making sure no manager's CV is overlooked. However, I would want them to get the new appointment done within the next few weeks. The new manager needs all the time to reorganize the backroom staff, get the players he needs and prepare for a full pre-season. I'm sure the owners would have shortlisted a few candidates way before the sacking. |
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May 17 2012, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 04:11 PM) I hope so man. We are vulnerable at the moment and FSG next move has to be spot on. But i wonder who are advising them in this time of uncertainty. I sure hope its not Billie Bean! Sorry for the ignorance, who's Billie Bean? QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 04:15 PM) Let's get the Fiorentina manager that get sacked for punching his own players. Bet our players will be afraid of him and starting working the sock off on pitch Speaking of Fiorentina, is this manager the same as the one who sent us packing in the Champions League? He seemed to do fairly well with the club. |
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May 17 2012, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 17 2012, 04:57 PM) What concerns me is that Kenny was released for a poor league season although as I pointed out earlier, we're only 6 points off what Rafa achieved in his first season. This leads me to belief it isn't about signs or progress, it's about instant results. It's either a top four finish or bust for the new boss I reckon. In that scenario, I'm guessing he'll be sacked. I think it's not so much of our failure to be in top 4 and more to do with the fact that we were out of top 4 contention in January. Whilst it's true that we're only 6 points away from Rafa's first season in charge, back then we had extra games to play in the Champion's League. Perhaps if we've finished 5th or 6th in the league, the owners would be more sympathetic.All of that are speculation though, I personally think FSG came into the club with their own plan. They wanted to bring in a relatively young manager, which is why the permanent appointment of Kenny was delayed until the final weeks of the season. Unfortunately, neither did Kenny nor Comolli impressed this season and they had to act quickly and revert to their original plan. It's a shame that someone with Kenny's reputation had to walk after a season and a half, but if the owners stopped backing him, there's really no point dilly-dallying. Question is, I may be wrong and it is indeed instant results they are expecting. If that's true, we are in for a long rollercoaster ride folks. This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: May 17 2012, 05:23 PM |
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May 17 2012, 05:22 PM
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May 17 2012, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 17 2012, 05:38 PM) I thought he is a good manager - won the Portuguese league unbeaten and Europa League in his first season with Porto. All the more impressive considering how young he is.If the owners can afford him the time, why not? |
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 17 2012, 05:47 PM) That's the thing i dont understand. Why the heck we need a young manager for? Are we gonna apply the moneyball concept to managerial posts as well and groom the manager now? Well nobody's comparing AVB to established managers. Still, you can't take away that achievement from him.Manager needs to be able to command respect from the players and be feared to a certain extent if I'm honest. Plus, although he did well in Porto, his experience in football management is too short to be considered at the same level as Mourinho, SAF, Arsene or even Rafa. We have a proven quality manager in Rafa who owns European football. Although he came short in EPL, I'm sure he will turn us around this time. Rafa's the man! IRWT! I've said it earlier in the thread that I personally prefer an experienced manager. But if it's AVB and his vision that the owners gambles on, it's really not the end of the world. |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 17 2012, 08:06 PM) I respect what AVB tried to do at Chelsea, phasing out older players. Thought he should have been given more time which as we know is a rare commodity these days. My concern is that he could not win over the dressing room at Stamford Bridge. Will he be able to do so at Anfield? Well, it's Chelsea and John Terry (Hey, I thought you won't talk about other managers today? They should have done what Barca did prior to the appointment of Guardiola. The Barca board knew that it would unfair for Guardiola to take over from Rijkaard mid-season as he would need to fix the mess created by his predecessor. Thus, they saved the appointment to the end of the season and did whatever the new manager requested. They got rid of players who have past it (Deco, Ronaldinho) and brought it players he demanded (Alves, Pique, Keita etc). AVB was given none of that backing at Chelsea and as his new methods didn't go well with the older players, he lost the dressing room rather quickly. If we were to appoint AVB, FSG and the management team need to give the full backing that he needs. |
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