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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 16 2012, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 03:04 PM)
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/320452...Dietmar-Hamann/

Hamman blasted Kenny, Carrol and Downing. Ouch!
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thats valid points. owner need to sort out whether kenny stay or out fast because if FSG want to sack kenny then we need to replace him as soon as possible to fight in the transfer market. if they want him to stay, confirm it early so he can concentrate on next season. if they wait till the new season is starting then the team will lack preparation time.

yes, where is the new stadium John Henry? till the new stadium is built, you just the same as H&G.. promise only no action.
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post May 16 2012, 09:27 PM

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i dont mean to put FSG in the same boat as H&G. they did wipe our debt and fork out alot of money on transfers. though carrol money comes from selling torres.

what i mean by no action is the matter of the new stadium. they promised that building stadium is one of their main priority. it almost 2 years since the takeover and still no decisive conclusion on this matter. i understand a proper plan needed to build a new stadium but the longer they wait the more chasing up we need to do with other top clubs financially. also, the cost to build will only go higher.

let say we stuck on playing europa (or none at all) for a couple more seasons it will effect the club financials. then the same story of "selling players to buy players" will probably repeated.
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post May 17 2012, 02:05 AM

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stop playing Diablo then read about Kenny sacking.. WTF?

everywhere buzzing for Rafa's return. not unlikely but i think he will not accept if there's a director of football above him. still, its just speculation anyway. and there's bunch of us here wont like Rafa's 2nd coming..

anyway, thanks for everything Kenny. YNWA


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post May 17 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 12:01 PM)
The owner is not as dumb as people portrayed him.

Let me reiterate how we judge success.
1) League result.
2) Signings. Sensible signings.
3) Depth of squad (after spending big bucks)
4) Good football?
5) Developments (i.e. youth academy and scout system)

I'd give KK a benefits of doubt that he did have big plan on the developments for the club.
For me, KK failed 4 out of 5.
That is no good at all.
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I honestly think that those points best judge after 3 seasons. Mancity needed a couple of season after heavy investments to achieve results. The action taken by FSG is kinda hasty, will they keep sacking manager when it doesn't work after 2 seasons? They have that track record with Red Sox.

It sad to see Kenny sacked. I'm confidence he will stay for another season but thats not the case. Sad.
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post May 17 2012, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 12:23 PM)
Let us be fair, if KK scored 3 out of 5, I'd call it good.
He failed 4 out of 5 is no good.
Most of your 5 points cant really be judge in 1 season. Is not fair. When Mourinho came he already has good foundations of players left by Ranieri. When Kenny took over, the team is already broken up and some are already ageing. So 1 full season is not suitable for benchmarking.

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 12:23 PM)
And you want the owner to have a faith in another 2 seasons.
Football is an expensive game. Wages are expensive. Tickets and merchandise are expensive too.
Putting faith or hope might not practical. The cost is too high to pay. And a risk that the target to be top club again will be further derailed.
Further proves they are in it for the money. Sad reality of football nowadays, it's a business. I dont say FSG are doing the same thing as H&G but its still abit concerning if they keep follow that road. They said themselves that they are in it for the long run so they probably know football bussiness is risky with possibility of not winning anything in the rebuilding phase. Now that they sacked Kenny, the rebuilding phase start from zero again.


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post May 17 2012, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ May 17 2012, 01:18 PM)
the only reason we easily lost torres or meireless cos of our ''no one is bigger than the club'' motto... spurs has hold long enough for bale & modric and see where are dey now... miles above us.. cant see why we let our star stay for long enough
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to honest, torres doesn't look like the world beater like he used to after his injury. he was either injured or sulking in the last 2 seasons with LFC. he don't want to in liverpool anymore and nothing could change his mind. "no one bigger than the club" did actually saves us from mediocrity back in the 90s. When the Spice Boys running the backroom until Houllier came and knock some sense to them. he shipped out all deadwood and revamped most of the way the club run things.

Anyway, as per sensible signing... what if the signing is actually made and brokered by DoF Comolli?

After all this malarkey, this is the best time to ask the progress of building the new stadium. 2 years and still barely a progress since H&G era.
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post May 17 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:27 PM)
Go check how many goals Torres scored during the half season under Uncle Roy.
Go check how many goals Suarez and Carroll scored in the 2nd half season too.
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i dont get it...
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post May 19 2012, 03:01 PM

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Rafa and FSG will not work especially with DoF above him. He should stay away for now. Lets hope he come back one day.. but not now.

This this made me sad when remember alot of fans discredit him in his last season with us. He was the one started to revealed the true faces of H&G and led to the massive uprising from fans. Now only those fans realize to be consistently be in CL every year is not easy. He made LFC big in europe again. 2 final in 3 years and winning one is not easy feat.
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post May 19 2012, 08:52 PM

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Let me know when they start building the stadium
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post May 20 2012, 12:05 AM

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Pep never been tested to work with a less talented team before so it can be say he is unproven. That barca team he managed is a team out of this world. I doubt he can be succesful with a lesser team.

FSG need to appoint manager fast so the new guy will have time to gather his backroom team and layout a plan. With euro coming up player price will be inflated

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post May 20 2012, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 05:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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why you need to come here i dont know. i'm not one of those that still butthurt about torres leaving but your statement about half of us is abit exaggerated. most fans has moved on. the lot that still butthurt they have their own reason but most us dont. we already got suarez and.. and.. who that tall fella again?

btw, do you know how much us fans cheer for him when he still with us? even when he injured most of the season? even after he sulk in a game?

he finally won a CL medal that he always wanted.. good for him. all the best of luck.



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post May 20 2012, 11:05 PM

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torres penalty record not really good so its understandable di matteo not taking chances giving torres a spot. give the lad a break already.
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post May 20 2012, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 20 2012, 11:16 PM)
because we never had a plan under roy. you see all he did was "aggur, carrager, when the balll commes into defunce, kick it high up the paurk for torre to chase, he will score gurls from there"  tongue.gif
oh my god, he's englund manager now doh.gif
i don't know how fans still buy into media spun cold relationship between gerrard, carra & bentitez.

If reading into some excerpts of gerrard autobiography, there are lots of things we don't get to see, the lighter moments of him & rafa. no rift, no misunderstanding etc.

Maybe to some forumer excuse, who will comment gerrard is just being diplomatic of rafa. it's his autobiography, juicy tit bits sells. sadly there is no sensationalise bits unlike how media spins the cold row between these 2.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
and you have fans/forumers repeatedly calling on rafa poor man management.  hmm.gif
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gerrard (and to some extent carra) did not actually help either by staying silent when rafa's attacked by everyone from all corner (media, owner, ex-players). if your captain and vice captain publicly backed you up, it would have take some burden of the manager. just saying..

its water under the bridge now though..
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post May 21 2012, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(nando @ May 21 2012, 12:02 AM)
i think Gerrard/Carragher were all caught in midst of the political wars during the last years of Rafa...
there were basically 3 camps.... Gillette vs Hicks and somewhere, Rafa was also fighting them (moneys to sign players). 
So the whole Liverpool board and management were involved in this war....

Gerrard and Carragher later revealed that they just wanted to stay neutral and concentrate of football (which was very hard).  They were afraid that any show of support to any party (even Rafa) will be used against them
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i do remember a few of the senior players like kuyt, pepe and agger come forward and back the gaffer up. while the captain and his vice stay mum.

we couldn't help but clinging to the past aren't we? first bring rafa back.. and now torres this and that.. new season couldn't come faster... lucky there's euro to look forward to
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 21 2012, 12:41 PM)
I was reading rafa's website and i saw something particularly interesting.

12/05/12 at 11:59:27 #18
Ajay
Hi rafe I have a question which is off the topic ... I became the fan of liverpool ever since i witnessed a special brand of football livepool played under you especially after the arrival of fernando torres.... you changed the system from 442 >451 then liverpool had most of possession /1 touch movements/ played the ball with speed everything was perfect on the way suddenly a change on your mind ...... what's made you more special for barry than alonso........?

Response:

Hello, we were playing 1-4-2-3-1 it depends of the movements of the wingers. Barry is a good international english player, good professional and can play in three positions. Good for the team and good for the future and good for the club. Alonso submit a transfer request. Thanks.
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rafa already explain why he want to sign barry up. it because he could play in different positions. not just to take alonso places. i guess alonso's relationship with rafa already not very good after the stuff happened during the birth of alonso's son. then it become worst when rafa paraded alonso to all europe clubs (ie: juve) to get the funds for barry. remember, alonso's form has not been very good for more than a season before rafa try to sell him up. miraculously, alonso form come back and he become midfield's god after that. to make things worst, madrid comes calling and there's no way alonso gonna pass the chances up. barry put salt in rafa's wound by joining city after he gave his word to join us. this wouldnt happen if the 2 yanks had given rafa the money to sign barry up.

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post May 21 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 21 2012, 01:05 PM)
I read further comments and i saw this.This doesn't help change my mind that he isn't the right person.

Mark anfield
Rafa, what do you think is the more effective style? A team with superior defence but inferior attack or a team with superior attack and inferior defence? I.e chelsea v barca/bayern.

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Hello Mark, the balance is the key, but better defences win more leagues. Thanks.

I don't like his slant towards defending.Real madrid conceded more than barca this season yet they won the league.
His tactics suit italy the best not the premiership.
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reminds me of roy evans era.. scoring like mad but concede even crazier..

he didn't choose defense right away. he said balance. in 2nd finish season 08-09, the team has the best GD overall.
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post May 23 2012, 09:25 PM

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what would FSG that being labeled obsessed with statistics would choose Martinez anyway? his record with wigan is not that impressive isn't it?

AVB is 34 years old.. can he control the players? granted our squad don't have alot of primadona like chelsea.. maybe apart from gerrard and carra. but still the player gonna have hard times to look at him as authoritative figure.
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post May 24 2012, 11:45 AM

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If martinez end up as he gaffer.. most likely we might have mediocre season again in rebuilding phase. So how many season will FSG be able to accept as rebuilding phase? If based on what they did to Red Sox and Kenny.. Its worrying. We might end up in mangerial changing loop..

Though i strongly believe the journalists are having a field day by link all manager with us..
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QUOTE(digilife @ May 26 2012, 06:04 PM)
another Spainard, and it will make the previous Spainard butthurt more

YES, i support Martinez  as for now........... I hate to see the fat Spainard coming back  mad.gif
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Hate is a strong word for someone who give his all to the club isnt it?

You know we achieve alot in CL when he was manager right? His effort and donation in HJC made him adored in red side of Mersey. He doesnt need to do any of that but he did it anyway. A legend in my eyes for all i care. Be nice and give the man the respect thhat he deserved will ya?
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Saying Rafa won the CL not valid because he won it from the team he inherit and not his own is the dumbest thing i read. Di Matteo dont deserved credit for Chelsea's end of season revival because its not his team. Not even AVB either. Heck.. even Pep inherit alot of players from Rijkaard.

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