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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 15 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 14 2012, 11:52 PM)
They got to fly to Boston? The air ticket ain't cheap.
There is no need to fly if Henry has his decision in mind.
So, I think we'll see King Kenny next season.
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Well, I think two or three thousands quids of air ticket is only like what an average football player earns in less than a day, let alone the football club or Henry. biggrin.gif We might see Kenny going into management team instead of coaching. We'll see though, the media might probably have made a big deal out of it anyway. tongue.gif

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post May 15 2012, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 04:01 AM)
Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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To be honest anyone who watches his tactical analysis on Sky Sports you'll be very impressed as well and it really justifies why he deserves a chance. I hated him as a player for obvious reasons but I gain a lot of respect this season after he joined Sky Sports as a pundit. I know it's just ultimately a TV show but he talks more practical and tactical side of football. For example, he spent 15 minutes analysing diving in EPL after Young's incident, such as how defenders' body shape should be and many sensible stuff, basically no 'talk cock' like those sitting on ESPN or even BBC Match of the Day. Last week he analysed England's previous tactical problems on Monday Night Football too. There are a lot more out there, it really shows how much of football knowledge this man has. Plus he's got UEFA coaching qualifications and he knows many of the big players in the squad. So I don't see why not.. Of course only time will justify whether it's a good appointment or not. We can just wish him best of luck. biggrin.gif


Added on May 15, 2012, 8:30 amSomething interesting.. Steve Clarke with the Fenway Group bosses watching baseball in Boston.. I wonder why I don't see Kenny..

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post May 15 2012, 08:02 PM

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Apparently Kenny is on his way back to the UK now. Read from BBC news correspondent that "Liverpool FC are refusing to either confirm or deny speculation that Dalglish has resigned as manager. Boston review due soon." Even read somewhere that Rafa might be back and Henry wants Roberto Martinez to coach alongside him. LOL! (update: probably not true) Anyway, don't like all the uncertainty surrounding the team right now.

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post May 15 2012, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 15 2012, 08:10 PM)
Rumours will always be rumours because I've heard that Kenny steps down but Steve Clarke stays and Brendan Rogers comes in as manager. Rumours also he left US quickly because he's going for holiday tomorrow.

Look at this, everyone hears different news! So I guess we should take everything with a pinch of salt at the moment.

I think it will become clearly in the next 24 hours.
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Hopefully! The team needs to start preparation especially summer recruit asap! biggrin.gif
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post May 16 2012, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ May 16 2012, 11:19 PM)
kenny has gone......no longer liverpool manager
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Just saw that as well.
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post May 16 2012, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ May 16 2012, 11:21 PM)
not sure already posted or not.. poor kenny, his summer signing has endangered his job

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/05/dalgl...-of-losing.html
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Many posts about it on Twitter since roughly 5 minutes ago, and BBC has confirmed his departure. Bye Kenny..
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post May 16 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ May 16 2012, 11:27 PM)
is he got fire or he resign...?

really prefer resign as it look more heroic
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Sky sports news said he got fired.. but we'll wait for official confirmation..
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post May 16 2012, 11:36 PM

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Hope it's not gonna be Roberto Martinez. Perhaps Pep or Capello? Expensive and doubt they will want to come anyway though..
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post May 16 2012, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 16 2012, 11:42 PM)
I am not sure how and who came up with the name of Roberto Martinez.
Look at his winning percentage, Uncle Roy is better than him.
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Definitely. He can probably go to Villa instead, Liverpool isn't the club for him. We need someone quality who can actually "rock" and "revive" the Kop. Lol.
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post May 16 2012, 11:48 PM

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"Sky Sports understands that Wigan boss Martinez is top of their list of targets and the man who turned Aston Villa down last summer could find it hard to shun a switch to Anfield."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11...ol-axe-Dalglish

Oh god...
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QUOTE(Styrroyds @ May 16 2012, 11:49 PM)
do you guys think martin o neill is a possibility?  hmm.gif
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Not now.. He just joined Sunderland. Could have been a fantastic candidate a year ago though..

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post May 16 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(messy @ May 16 2012, 11:50 PM)
Actually the board should give KD another season. I believe he can change something up. So far i see no other manager who is better than KD. Either hire back rafa or spend money hire germany coach joachim LOWWW
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There are coaches out there better than Kenny but doesn't seem to be realistic enough. Pep, Rafa or Capello are definitely world class and proven managers at club level. I hope the owners will hire somebody at their level, not Paul Lambert, Martinez or Brendan Rodgers. We don't want another Roy.. Anyway, official statement will be out in 5 minutes. Let's wait..
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:18 AM)
thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that
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I don't think Henry expects Liverpool to win EPL just yet, but Champions league is where Liverpool should be, particularly when they have invested 100 million pounds per season. We were not even close to that..

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:35 AM)
How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).


In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Sensible signings is probably the part the owners are concerned about, and it makes perfect sense. 20 million for Henderson and Downing, 35 million for Carroll just don't make any sense. Although I'd say Bellamy and Enrique are arguably the best players, and needless to emphasize on Luis Suarez. We could probably have signed somebody like Javi Martinez or Juan Mata, who are way better than Hendo or Downing. I understand Hendo and Carroll have the potential to be a decent players. Perhaps if we had signed them for one quarter or half of the price, the situation would have been a lot different. But still, thanks for everything Kenny. Once a legend, always a legend.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 04:39 AM)
The English lads have home grown premium and Henderson and Carroll are ones for the future. Why do people harp on their fees but no mention of Phil Jones costing 16 million (shite anyways and younger than Henderson), De Gea (20 million and no home grown premium and also shite) and Chelsea paying 18 million for Lukaku (also no home ground premium) who hardly played a game there. Also part of the reason for their high fees is due to Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Real Madrid and Barcelona inflating the fees like crazy.

One reason we paid for Henderson, Downing and Adam I think is because they were three of the leagues chances creators and having played in the league already, it's completely understandable but players have proven that whether you are actually Premier League proven does not matter anymore.

As for Juan Mata, I would love him here but he would probably not come anyway but yeah, I agree, I would take Mata over Downing any day.

As for Martinez, I hope we do sign him this summer actually.
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Well, Liverpool could always reject or try to negotiate if the price was too high. Why sign Henderson for 20 million when we had Meireles and Aquaman at that time? Don't forget Hendo was signed in early June, so Meireles was still quite settled in the Liverpool team. Plus, why are we so bothered about HG status when we weren't even in Europe! (I know EPL has its own HG regulations) For the others, I am pretty sure fans from those teams have their own complaints anyway but to be honest I don't think Jones was shite. In fact I thought it was a decent buy for United. Oh and, remember how De Gea had his own criticisms as well sometime during mid-season? As for Lukaku, he hasn't really been playing a lot of football, so Chelsea's poor result basically has nothing to do with him. Whereas players like Adam, Henderson and Downing constantly hit the starting lineup, and their failure was perhaps the main reason for Kenny's departure. Would have been different if Kenny had dropped them when they were out of form.

On a side note, good to hear that Steve Clarke is still at Liverpool and Roberto Martinez is not shortlisted according to Ian Ayre.

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 04:58 AM)
hopefully they can bring a manager in within 48hours so that we could compete in the transfer market
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I hope Henry actually has someone decent in mind when they decided to dismiss Kenny. This doesn't include the likes of Martinez, Rodgers or Lambert, especially after what happened to Woy.

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 05:15 AM)
i guess AVB are the favourites here, what do u guys think about AVB? is he the right choice? he have plenty of talents in chelsea but he cannot deliver so i really not sure whether he can deliver in liverpool
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I personally wouldn't mind AVB, it seems FSG wanted AVB before Chelsea appointed him anyway. The fact that he won the Europa League and Portuguese League means that he is a decent enough manager. The reason why he failed to deliver in Chelsea was largely due to power struggle, there are way too many senior and old players in Chelsea's dressing room. I still think Fabio Capello or Pep etc are a lot better but if it proves to be unrealistic, why not give AVB a shot?
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 05:16 AM)
Yes, Kenny can be criticised for not keeping Meireles and Aquilani but you and I could probably see the reasons (Meireles wanted out and Aquilani cries for Italy apparently).

Jones, De Gea and Lukaku are in teams that yield good results so they don't get look at. I still can't remember anyone highlighting the fact that City have spent so much money in the last 4 years possibly more than anyone else, yet they time and time failed to qualify for Champions League under last season.

I know they may be decent and all that but why doesn't anyone highlight their price tags considering they are non home grown and are De Gea (20 y/o) and Lukak (18 y/o). Kenny gets criticised for buying Henderson who hasn't exactly done much wrong but not exactly a world beater and yet Jones, 16 million 19 year old who also isn't any better?

Yes, I agree that Kenny can take the blame for persisting with Henderson and Adam (to be honest, Downing and Carroll weren't really playing every week all season). Kenny put too much faith in them and it ultimately cost him.

While top 4 may have been a decent target at the start of the season, it takes alot more than 42 million of investment from their accounts (let's not forget Torres and Babel were sold for 58 mil to buy Suarez and Carroll). That only leaves money spent on Jordan and Steward, 20 mil each.

And this isn't even going to strengthen the bench!
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I think everyone realised City failed to qualify for Champions League, that's why Mark Hughes was fired by the owners and Mancini replaced him. Mancini was given authority in transfer and he managed to guide the team to top 4 the next season (although with great difficulties) and crowned champions last week. I know our spending power can't be compared to Man City, but I wouldn't include Suarez as one of the players who replaced Torres, because Kenny actually bought him to play behind Torres but he left for Chelsea not long after. Even if we include Carroll and Suarez, we still had 80 million at that time. Luis Enrique and Coates were probably necessary signings, so Kenny should be credited for it. However, we should have spent 40 million on one top class player, instead why are we spending 40 million to strengthen the bench? We don't have sugardaddys like Man City. Also, don't forget there are always Maxi, Kuyt, Spearing or Shelvey etc for each different position, they are decent subs compare to teams like Newcastle, unfortunately we didn't even come close to top 4.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 05:58 AM)
It was not a problem for Mancini because he's got a handful of players left by Hughes there!! The same couldn't be said for Kenny because alot of our better players brought by Rafa eventually wanted to leave when Rafa left.

I dont quite understand the 80 million part and it's Jose Enrique tongue.gif Not Luis.

It also wasn't easy to spend 40 million on one player when we could get two to overall strengthen the squad. It probably wasn't ideal but sometimes we just need to have a bit more of strength in depth. I didn't mean spend 40 million on bench players in terms of Downing and Henderson but maybe Dalglish saw the British method may help him because in truth, it is helping Man United and it has helped Kenny in his first stint.
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Ooops, sorry for my typo. hahaha. Anyway, I was trying to say we should have utilized the 80 million pounds better because if we really just wanted to strengthen our squad, it shouldn't be the backups or quantity because we already have some good ones. What we needed is quality and international top-class players. Anyway, what's done is done and we can't change the fact that we actually spent 40 million on Hendo and Downing. Hope the next manager will actually use the money for some better players.

Speaking of manager, apparently some bookies have suspended betting on AVB to Liverpool and R. Martinez and AVB on the top of the list on sky bet with 11/4. If I'm not wrong AVB's odds wasn't as high few hours ago. And this might have told us something too: Independent's back page tomorrow:

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Anyway, speculations are still speculations. Hopefully we will find out as soon as possible.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 17 2012, 04:20 PM)
Kenny will be torn apart by how this has ended: Alan Hansen

Although he won the Premier League as Blackburn manager in 1995 and also managed Newcastle and Celtic, he only ever really wanted to be at Liverpool and he waited so long to go back there.

Even when he was at Liverpool in his role as ambassador, prior to replacing Roy Hodgson as manager last year, he would pour his heart and soul into the club and spend more time there than anybody else.

Whenever I would call him on a Sunday, I would ask him where he was and he would be down at the Academy. He was non-stop.

So as his friend, I am really upset for Kenny because I know just what it meant for him to be back at Anfield.

He will be torn apart by the way it has ended and the reality that he will no longer be able to go back and mix with the players.
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It was the only job he wanted so, knowing him as I do, I don’t think there is any chance whatsoever of him managing again at another club.

I don’t know whether there was the possibility of Kenny remaining at Liverpool in his old ambassadorial role, but there is the chance that such a situation could have made it difficult for whoever replaces him as manager.

Let’s face it, Kenny might be too big a figure for the owners and the new manager to have around the club because, whoever comes in, they are never going to be bigger than Kenny Dalglish in the eyes of most people with an affiliation to the club.

Everybody in football understands that time is a precious commodity, but I think many believed that Kenny had earned another year at least to get it right at Anfield.

When he took charge again in January last year, the club were on their knees in many respects and he was delighted to be back involved.

The revival the team enjoyed in the second half of the season saw them just miss out on qualification for Europe and, although the target was to challenge for the Champions League places this season, it was hugely important for the club to end their six-year trophy drought by winning the Carling Cup.

Kenny knew how critical it was to get Liverpool back in the Champions League again, but he also believed that winning a trophy would be significant in terms of moving the club forward.

When you win silverware, it can be a springboard to greater success and I cannot believe that the owners would have parted company with Kenny had he also guided the team to the FA Cup.

How can you get rid of a manager who wins you two trophies? Had Andy Carroll’s goal stood in the FA Cup final against Chelsea, Liverpool may have ended the season having won two of the three competitions that they entered, so there would have grounds for optimism in the build-up to next season.

But the fact that the owners would not answer questions about Kenny’s future in the aftermath of the Wembley defeat by Chelsea suggested that there were problems ahead.

Until the last couple of days, though, I do not think anyone saw this coming because there was a feeling that Kenny had done enough to earn another year.

If the owners had backed him and allowed him to bring in a couple of players in, then Kenny would have been confident in being able to progress the team.

But my concern is that Liverpool will face a problem in keeping hold of their best players now that Kenny has gone. In my opinion, the likes of Luis Suárez, Pepe Reina, Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger would be more likely to stay at the club under Kenny Dalglish than anybody else.

Throughout last season, it was clear that the players were 100 per cent behind Kenny and, when a manager goes, it always leads to uncertainty and confusion.

But the owners now have to quickly find a new man and go about identifying new players and keeping those already there because the new season is only 10 weeks away.

In making the change, Liverpool’s owners have set the bar high for whoever comes in by making it clear that they are determined to get the club back into the Champions League.

Kenny has a trophy this season and finished eighth, so what will happen in 12 months’ time if the new man finishes seventh and wins nothing?

Liverpool are now looking for their fourth manager in two years, with Kenny following Roy Hodgson and Rafael Benítez in leaving the club, so they have to be careful.

If you are looking for stability, then you cannot find that by changing key personnel on a regular basis.

Kenny will regret not getting the club back into the Champions League, but when he reflects on his second spell as manager, he will look back on a time when he steadied the ship and brought success back by ending their long wait for a trophy.
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To be honest, I am sad to see Kenny leave as well even though I'm very disappointed with how he insisted to keep his own players such as Hendo, Downing or Adam when they had been playing badly. That eventually costs him the job and I wouldn't disagree with the owners. Sometimes I just couldn't be bothered to read what those "pundits" wrote or spoke, especially those from BBC. Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrensen are ex-Liverpool players and Kenny was the one who brought Alan Shearer to Blackburn. These people have good personal relationship with Kenny and of course they will always on Kenny's side. I guess we have to read both sides and find a balance ourselves..

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