Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.

I believe LFC hv not fired any manager. All left with mutual consent. Its more or less the same as fired but both side agree to do it gracefully (plus sum money changing hand as compensation).

So I doubt we will be hearing firing news but if KK really is going then I xpect an announcement from both party informing us about the mutual separation.

Well he too is what..... low, fake, plastic, modern day fan. Sum1 nid 2 tell Hamann Rome is not build in a day, rebuilding take time, ppl make mistake, every1 deserve a 2nd chance..... did I miss anything else?

& Kuyt complaining abt d rotation policy. Well, Energizer nid a lecture too.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 16 2012, 05:04 PM

Though H&G and FSG look at the club as investment, H&G borrow to claim ownership. The club nearly went into administration when H&G fail to pay back. FSG wipe out the debt. I think this part no need retelling.

To be fair, H&G did bank roll transfer but when debt start to crawl up, money start drying up. Though we dun hv banks to answer to, I dun c much difference now. We still nid to show return if v xpect FSG to continue developing the club.

About the stadium, I wud prefer a more careful approach this time. H&G left us with about 30mil to payoff from the failed stadium plan. A new stadium wud cost 300mil upwards. That's no small investment. That is years of transfer fund. Building the stadium wud increase our matchday income but also limit our transfer. Google for our new stadium and there is news FSG will build new due to constraint around Anfield.

I too would like to see plan for new stadium but I prefer a careful approach rather then a popular move thats is not properly thought thru.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 16 2012, 08:36 PM

Its very true the longer we wait the higher the cost (in term of construction the stadium and also keeping up with the others). I look at it this way. FSG have so far shown they will invest in the club. The blip this past season probably make FSG more careful when splashing out cash. the transfer they put out so far did not return the result expected. The fab four we got is not entirely bad but due to the price we pay, they carry a burden. Being someone who dunno football (soccer if you will) at all, they probably rely on advise. Commoli left probably due to the transfer price vs performance.

In term of commercial, i am more assured with FSG. They have got us Std Chart after 18 years with Carlsberg as our main/shirt sponsor. FSG also turn to Warriors thou they are less recognized than Adidas in the football world. I am sure they will find sponsor for our new stadium too. what they can't control and probably dunno how to is the core of their investment.... the football itself. Now they want to put over 300mil into a stadium. There is gonna be a lot of thinking to do. we will be sitting out CL for 3 season now. that is about about 90mil potential income lost. i wud suspect FSG want to see sum assurance at least we are fighting for CL spot (which is where the money is).

I remember when KD came back, it was H&G time. After all the trouble we have and Rafa left, H&G said they would like KD to say in another role that have longer shelf life than a manager. when things like this happen, relationship sours.

I do hope KD stay on as ambassador of the club like before. The 2nd return of the king did not end like the first time. Its been 20 years since he left LFC and 10 years since he last manage. the game have change so much.

If we didnt drop out of CL contention so early, the script would hv been different i suspect. I am not for KD coming back 2nd time but seeing a manager go is not nice. life goes on.

I think AVB need some time to get himself ready for the big stage like EPL. His short stint @ Porto been good but that is his only success story. If we do get him, we have to be mentally prepared for a period of rebuilding. His advantage is his age. He does come good, he got a whole 20-30 years in front of him.

Rafa would be nice. 52 and experience at highest level. EPL and CL. His weakness i see is his man management style. We have all read about how cold sometime he can be to the players. Rafa also have a history of clashing with club owner.

I would prefer Rafa over AVB.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 17 2012, 09:39 AM

Chelsea is a totally different animal. anyone there need to abide by Terry and Lampard rules. Given AVB age, i think he have a problem controlling the senior players. There is no guarantee that won't happen if he come to LFC.

i don't think Pep will come. He already said he is taking time off to unwind.

you see, its always exciting being a red. season just over a week and our summer action have already started.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 17 2012, 09:38 AM

If Martinez do come, i don't think he need to spend big for a start. Our recent purchase is not exactly that bad. When we play, we dominate. We can challenge for 4th, in fact i believe we can target 3rd with who we have. We need someone who can manage those players we have. we spend the whole 2012 yoyo-ing our form. 1 match we are like god, the next we run around aimlessly.

Given how much we have spend, i don't think whoever come in will have a lot to spend despite the club claiming we will spend big. it'll be nice if whoever come have money to splash.

If we can consistently go to CL, big name will want to come. we will sit out CL for 3 season in a row now. Getting back to CL should be priority no.1 now.

If the club is still English own, i think the derby and winning FA will still be able to placate a mild season. Fortunately or unfortunately, we have american who knows nothing about football (or soccer) owning the club now. Derby du nmean nothing to them. How much money the derby generate is more interesting.

Its reality. like it or not, real or fake.... we have to accept that.

this is probably one of the reason why KD left.

KD attempt Tevez-Carroll swap

not the swap but the fact we bought our most expensive player and a year later try to offload wif 10mil lost. Though Carroll buy was probably funded by Torres deal, this still dun look good in term of business. FSG probably hv doubt with KD decision.

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Added on May 17, 2012, 6:56 pm

two trophies??? did i miss one?

I agree with Hanson that KD will be devastated. Its probably difficult for him to come back in another capacity but i hope he'll come back in his previous role as our ambassador.



This post has been edited by demio121: May 17 2012, 06:56 PM

There is no love lost btw Aquaman and us. He is one weird case. Bought his injured. Nurse him and been playing for everyone else but us. Ironic, we are still paying for him.

I don't think he want to play for us. If he does come back, he'll probably ask to transfer listed or loan out again.

i don't think KD dismissal is entirely because of 1 season failure. FSG is pure investor and they look at league and CL as our priority. They sanction pretty large sum of transfer fund. All these is against a target to get us back into CL where to FSG is where the ROI is. Carling and FA would be bonus if we win.

Seeing how we struggle to stay in the CL contention so early, couple with the recent news that Carroll was offer as swap for Tevez, i think FSG just feel we need a new direction. Honestly, i dun think FSG care much about our home losses so much like we do. If we lost all our home match and yet made it to top 4, i think they wud just keep quiet while we rumble.

I juz dun think its was instant success where FSG expect us to win the tittle or all competition we enter but rather the manner we miss our target the club set early in the season. If we were neck to neck fighting for 4th and miss it on the last day, KD would be around. We were 17pts off 4th and 37pts off the champion. Its a really huge gap there.

what Ayre said is scary but its how football club is run today. we are all very proud of our history but sumtime I feel our history is also our biggest enemy.

value and tradition reminds us of who we are but can only carry us so far. anything these days are about money. When KD came back as interim, a part of our proud history came back. That mere presence of kenny have lifted the club. Evidence shown that history can only take us so far, in this case lift us back to 6th place. beyond that, we equal our worst finish in EPL. the magic of KD is lost this past season. Then, either u agree or not, KD have to face the modern game reality.... every investment needs to show ROI.

I do not think any LFC fan will leave KD to walk alone. What is happening now is some of us question his 2nd return. That's all. i hv never agree to KD taking fulltime. KD carry with him a history that can divide the club. Section of supporters is turning against FSG for KD departure. We would have been in administration or worst, in the hand of Peter Lim. I don't know how true is this but he also own the Manu theme chain restaurant Red Cafe in Asia. In another word, we turn against our saviour, blinded by our sentiment.

Rafa and Roy leaving did not polarize us so much. This last season have shown we can turn against amongs ourselves when discussing about KD. Names been used, we categorized fans. This again, is our history being our biggest enemy.

remember the history. remind ourselves who we are everyday (if you have to). why we didnt gv Roy a 6mth chance?

This post has been edited by demio121: May 18 2012, 09:22 PM

Since KD have left, then can you copy the current pool result and post at the beginning of this thread and start a new poll?

I am speaking in the context of the fan. how KD departure have polarize us.

True Roy time was painful but if we stand by YNWA, we shouldnt hv turn against Roy. its sumthing against what we stand for. Anfield is our fortress. the last 6mths, rival have come and beat us in Anfield more often than before. 2011/2012 is one of our worst home record. in a way (with no disrespect), KD turn our home into a happy hunting ground for our rival. can i call this disrespecting Anfield? this is individual opinion. is this worst than Roy insulting fan? again this is individual opinion.

we spend so much in transfer yet can we say they are better than Konchesky and Poulsen? we didnt we gv both of them another chance.

again, i am still in the context of fans. what KD have done for the club is 20 years ago. If we say he deserve another chance for what he done 20 years ago, its using history as reason. He have not manage a club the past 10 years. So much have change in the past 10 to 20 years. we can say KD know LFC so well he is the right person to lead us fwd. the LFC KD know so well and manage so succesfully is 20 years ago. a club as it is 20 years ago just don't fit into todays environment. Moores and Parry run the club like the 80s and we got nowhere. we stay with Carlsberg for, i think 18 years. Until Std Chart come, we didnt know that we could have make so much more just by changing the title sponsor on our shirt.

we don't have to throw our value and heritage away chasing glory. we value our history. we remember our value but at the same time, we need to adapt to move fwd.

Again, i am saying KD departure i believe is not just because we finish 8th. A lot that happen this season could have been better and FSG just want a new direction.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 18 2012, 10:12 PM

That is pretty obvious fr yur avatar right?

its a discussion. if you got sumthing u think is right to say, say it. i got my opinion, u got yours. as long as we agree to disagree and no name calling, dun gv up.

peace.

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Added on May 18, 2012, 10:38 pmmate, we have never win the premier league. our last league title is 1989/90 season. Premier League starts 1992. we won a lot of Division 1, back in those days.

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my bad. KD won PL with blackburn. i dun associate KD with blackburn. thanks Cloud.

This post has been edited by demio121: May 18 2012, 10:59 PM

ah yea.... i alway remember KD with LFC only. dun remember balckburn at all. my bad.

we all hope for the same.