hopefully they can bring a manager in within 48hours so that we could compete in the transfer market

We're going in circles here. I get that sacking underperfomers takes place in the real world. But sometimes you have to wonder why those people are hired in the first place. For instance, was Kenny the right person for the job ? Was Hogdson the right manager to replace Rafa ? Did Villareal made the right choice of appointing those 3 managers before they get relegated ? Was Shearer the right appointment before Newcastle fell from grace ? That's the point i'm trying to get across.

I think it's only logical we ask this questions. Because sometimes the root of the problem doesnt always begin at the manager.

The fans can revolt but it is unlikely to force the owner out (at least for clubs like ManU and Liverpool).
ManU fans tried but failed.

H&G were forced out by the "bank" before our club went into administration.

I hope Henry actually has someone decent in mind when they decided to dismiss Kenny. This doesn't include the likes of Martinez, Rodgers or Lambert, especially after what happened to Woy.

This post has been edited by vcj1992: May 17 2012, 05:02 AM

I have a good feeling about Martinez for some odd reason that i can't really explain haha. But yeah Jurgen Klopp would be amazing if we could but i doubt it. I mean he already said no to Chelsea but with Dortmund on the verge of getting dismantled and its players scattered across Europe. One can only hope tho it will be a shame to see such football renaissance like Dortmund to end like that.

I think we leave that to fortune teller or digilife.

How many managers did Real Madrid sack?
Of course there are fail examples too.

But it has to be the way.
I think the owners can't rely on hope alone.
As the cost is too high to pay. Yet there is still a target to achieve.

thats what im talking about earlier, they should have someone in mind before they decided to sack kenny, but it seems that they go no one in mind..so its gonna be a rush..

No doubt in general, the seaosn has been bad but we actually reached two finals in three competitions we started out with. We won one. We qualified for Europe. We didn't have this at this stage last season. I believe the league measures your capability and we did terrible there, no doubt about it but as I've said, the league has become more difficult with teams capable of taking points off each other.

Maybe not great football but maybe we did enough (here comes this topic again) to win games. Yes, whether you deserved to win games or not, doesn't matter in football but why is always that the opponents are scoring from their only shot at goal, yet we can't score with 15x the attempts and we actually have one of the best defence in the league (as I said, joint 3rd best defence). The major problem is the attackers.

Depth of squad and as I have pointed out, would you prefer to have 3-5 world class players starting week in, week out but a totally shite bench (poulsen, degen, el zhar, n'gog) or slowly introduce good players to the bench?

Like I've said, 100 million in one season isn't going to build a top team especially with the fact that opponents like Man City, Chelsea, Man United have been spending 100 millions for at least 3 seasons, that is why their bench is strong and their first team are challenges.

I only put in the players costing 15 million or more and those who I feel expensive at that time (like Diouf, Heskey and Lampard)

United - Stam (10 mil), Yorke (12 mil), Van Nistelrooy (19 mil), Veron (28 mil), Ferdinand (29 mil), Ronaldo (13 mil), Saha (13 mil), Rooney (27 mil), Carrick (19 mil), Hargreaves (18 mil), Anderson (16 mil), Nani (17 mil), Smalling (12 mil), Jones (16 mil), De Gea (20 mil), Young (18 mil), Berbatov ( 31 mil), Valencia 17 mil).

that's 335 million and you can argue that at the time they were bought (considering year and their age), they are costly and majority came even before Ronaldo was sold for 80 mil and he himself for an 18 year old at 13 mil, is just costly.

Chelsea - Sutton (10 mil), Hasselbaink (15 mil), Lampard (11 mil), Ferreira (13 mil), Makelele (17 mil), Crespo (17 mi), Mutu (16 mil), Veron (15 mil), Duff (17 mil) , Drogba (24 mil), Carvalho (20 mil), Mikel (16 mil), Shevchenko (30 mil), Essien (24 mil), Wright-Phillips (21 mil), Anelka (15 mil), Malouda (14 mil), Bosingwa (16 mil), Zhirkov (18 mil), Ramires (18 mil), Luiz (26 mil), Torres (50 mil), Mata (24 mil), Lukaku (20 mil), Meireles (12 mil)

479 mil and again, costly at the times they were bought for most of them and Chelsea has no good record of selling players.

Man City - Aguero (38 mil), Nasri (22 mil), Toure (24 mil), Silva (25 mil), Balotelli (25 mil), Milner (26 mil), Dzeko (27 mil), Santa Cruz (18 mil), Tevez (26 mil), Adebayor (25 mil), Toure (16 mil), Lescott (22 mil), Jo (18 mil), Robinho (33 mil), Bridge (12 mil), Bellamy (14 mil), De Jong (16 mil)

One league title and one FA Cup after 387 million in the last 4 years.

Liverpool - Henderson (20 mil), Downing (20 mil), Suarez (23 mil), Carroll (35 mil), Meireles (12 mil), Johnson (18 mil), Aquilani (20 mil), Keane (19 mil), Mashcerano (17 mil), Torres (22 mil), Babel (12 mil), Alonso (11 mil), Cisse (14 mil), Diouf (11 mil), Heskey (11 mil)

265 million - and considering the nightmare between 2010-2012 and the fact that only six of the 15 players above remain in Liverpool, we've always got a huge task against them lot.

As for Arsenal .. Wenger is just a genius!

Really ? Real Madrid ? ughh i'm going to bed lol

i guess AVB are the favourites here, what do u guys think about AVB? is he the right choice? he have plenty of talents in chelsea but he cannot deliver so i really not sure whether he can deliver in liverpool

Yes, Kenny can be criticised for not keeping Meireles and Aquilani but you and I could probably see the reasons (Meireles wanted out and Aquilani cries for Italy apparently).

Jones, De Gea and Lukaku are in teams that yield good results so they don't get look at. I still can't remember anyone highlighting the fact that City have spent so much money in the last 4 years possibly more than anyone else, yet they time and time failed to qualify for Champions League under last season.

I know they may be decent and all that but why doesn't anyone highlight their price tags considering they are non home grown and are De Gea (20 y/o) and Lukak (18 y/o). Kenny gets criticised for buying Henderson who hasn't exactly done much wrong but not exactly a world beater and yet Jones, 16 million 19 year old who also isn't any better?

Yes, I agree that Kenny can take the blame for persisting with Henderson and Adam (to be honest, Downing and Carroll weren't really playing every week all season). Kenny put too much faith in them and it ultimately cost him.

While top 4 may have been a decent target at the start of the season, it takes alot more than 42 million of investment from their accounts (let's not forget Torres and Babel were sold for 58 mil to buy Suarez and Carroll). That only leaves money spent on Jordan and Steward, 20 mil each.

And this isn't even going to strengthen the bench!

I personally wouldn't mind AVB, it seems FSG wanted AVB before Chelsea appointed him anyway. The fact that he won the Europa League and Portuguese League means that he is a decent enough manager. The reason why he failed to deliver in Chelsea was largely due to power struggle, there are way too many senior and old players in Chelsea's dressing room. I still think Fabio Capello or Pep etc are a lot better but if it proves to be unrealistic, why not give AVB a shot?

3-5 world class players with shitty bench players?
We have signed 3-5 flops and got stuck with the same shitty players and reserved players.
See the difference? That's a waste the club owner talked about.

We all know we can't spend like sheikh but we wasted money on mid-table players.
I think even sheikh wont spend big money on midtable players.
And I don't see a justification there. Extremely poor job.
I just can't brain how you find justification in there.

i definitely preffer AVB over martinez, but 1 thing for sure is FSG need to fork out alot of money for transfer in order for AVB to bring the player he wanted, or else by end of next season we might be looking for a new manager again

Like I said, I would rather have Kenny spend on established players this season, THEN move Carroll, Downing and Adam to the bench and IMO, they are a stronger bench than Poulsen, Degen, N'gog and El Zhar will ever be. And no way Poulsen, Degen, Ngog and El Zhar are improvements of Kuyt, Maxi, Spearing.

And I also said 100 million is NOT going to even buy a team, let alone strengthen the bench.

Well, Dalglish deserved to be sacked.
The table doesn't lie..

I think everyone realised City failed to qualify for Champions League, that's why Mark Hughes was fired by the owners and Mancini replaced him. Mancini was given authority in transfer and he managed to guide the team to top 4 the next season (although with great difficulties) and crowned champions last week. I know our spending power can't be compared to Man City, but I wouldn't include Suarez as one of the players who replaced Torres, because Kenny actually bought him to play behind Torres but he left for Chelsea not long after. Even if we include Carroll and Suarez, we still had 80 million at that time. Luis Enrique and Coates were probably necessary signings, so Kenny should be credited for it. However, we should have spent 40 million on one top class player, instead why are we spending 40 million to strengthen the bench? We don't have sugardaddys like Man City. Also, don't forget there are always Maxi, Kuyt, Spearing or Shelvey etc for each different position, they are decent subs compare to teams like Newcastle, unfortunately we didn't even come close to top 4.

This post has been edited by vcj1992: May 17 2012, 05:42 AM

It was not a problem for Mancini because he's got a handful of players left by Hughes there!! The same couldn't be said for Kenny because alot of our better players brought by Rafa eventually wanted to leave when Rafa left.

I dont quite understand the 80 million part and it's Jose Enrique Not Luis.

It also wasn't easy to spend 40 million on one player when we could get two to overall strengthen the squad. It probably wasn't ideal but sometimes we just need to have a bit more of strength in depth. I didn't mean spend 40 million on bench players in terms of Downing and Henderson but maybe Dalglish saw the British method may help him because in truth, it is helping Man United and it has helped Kenny in his first stint.

i'm sure the news filtered to our liverpool captain with mixed emotions. he was given the england captain armband & the news of Dalglish leaving, all within couple of hours.

I don't know who can help liverpool, given the under performing british players as the big part/core in the squad. WE paid big, selling them cheap will mean BIG knock of our coffers. (Blame comolli if you want for wasting on british but bit mediocre, they are ok as squad players, just not the steel for a big club like liverpool

been crying for more youngsters to play. probably be the youngest squad in the PL next season? interesting times ahead