hey guys.
it is s happen to that i can get someone in US to help me bring a RH-10 and a pair of earphone to me. so i would like to ask some comment from u guys.

izzit good to get a canal earpiece? i plan to get E3c or ER-6i. but my fren said there is a promotion going on with the ER-4p. so which one should i get? it is a headache to decide. since the earpiece cost much also.

well, if u r the one to get something to pair up with the RH-10 Hi-MD player, wat will u get?

thx in advance.

This post has been edited by yanjinowa: Aug 13 2005, 02:15 PM

just get this:


but you may have trouble finding an audiologist to take ur impression for the custom mold.

or you can buy my er6 after I tested them

EDIT: btw, sec hand er4 could be had around RM600

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 10 2005, 07:55 PM

huh? 2nd hand is good?
coz i duno wats the difference between shure and etymotic.
from online review some website recommend shure.
is E3C really good?
ER-4p is more expensive than the ER-6i?

you really need to try google a bit

but to answer your questions..
2nd hand, depends how long the 1st owner has used it and whether you like to experience the burn in process yourself. the issue about sticking something into your ear which someone else has stuck into theirs is not really a big thing considering you can buy new earpieces.

er4s > er4p > er6i > er6 in order of price, er4s being the most expensive of the ety range.

comparing shure and ety, try head-fi.org, got a few reviews there.

but if you got da spare cash, yeah try the one in the picture alamaklor posted.. its about us$900

it's the reason because u have never used a canalphone (i presume), never auditioned it before, and dont have the chance to do that, it's best to get a sec hand to try it out and you can always sell it back around the price you bought it with minimal lost. but of coz, if u got the moolah....then forget about it...and should just get the UE10pro.

erm, yes, i nvr tried canal earphone b4.
thru the review of headfi, it recommends shure e3c if compare to er-6i.

will try to look for review of er-4p.

i am looking for an ear plug at price below RM100 to pair with my mp3 player. so everyone have any good suggestion?thanks...

senheiser mx550/500.

threads merged. have PMed threadstarter for change of topic name. lets use this thread from now on for recommending and suggesting earphones. as usual, please refrain from one word/model/brand answers. as much as possible try and justify your suggestion with some useful information.

senheiser mx550/500 is how much and where can i get in malaysia?anyone try it?it's more for bass lover or what?

bulk buy in lyn got a guy selling, mx500 <rm100, mx550 i think slighly higher.

people generally comment mx500 more bass.

you are basshead? then u might want to check koss ksc75, clip on hp. you can buy it in low yat plaza(ipod shop outside, or search inside), klcc(one of the gadget shop)

you can get it under rm100.

i owned both mx550 and ksc75, prefer mx550 when listen to vocal. koss more harsh relatively, but definitely offer more bass.

then i think i will like the mx550 more, bcoz i seldom listen to rock or techno...and i am not a basshead also...i prefer some old song and classical song...thanks for the info dude...

try avp pro 5.1 head set with external amp price is rm199 good for movie, gaming & music, can go for a try at low yat plaza, 4th floor, midi speacialist opposite edifier showroom.

i had read the review of Shure E3c and Etymotic ER-4p.
it seems that the review favors E3c more that ER-4p.
as for the ER-4p it is more difficult to get the "sealing" effect and the E3c provide better comfort compare to the ER-4p.
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74863

and the review of ER-6i and E3c http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121808

so, i guess E3c will be better to me as i m going to use it as an isolation when i m taking bus back to my hometown. and comfort is a point i m looking for.
but after all, i would like to ask that had someone tried both model?

i have a Koss Porta Pro so how is it when compare to the Porta Pro?

@yanjinowa

I think it's not really appropriate to compare porta pro and the other 2 buds. As porta pro is a headphone, not a canal phone. The other 2 provides isolation whereas porta pro doesn't. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong.

erm ~~

hi guys , i just want to know that what kind of earphone is suitable for a Luxpro MP3 player ????? and the price will not be over RM60 or something , coz i'm still a secondary student ....

Also , do you guys knew where can find this earphone ?

My ears having some problem on its shape , so i cannot ware those normal earphones for a long period of time , if anyone can find it in low yat , plz e-mail me the location and prize plz ...

This post has been edited by jodern: Aug 14 2005, 02:20 AM

hello, guys.
i had made up my mind to get the etymotics ER-4s, as my fren can get it atthe price of USD$190.00. so i guess its a goodbuy after seeing the price of E3c at USD$120.00 and ER-6i at USD$99.00.

now i m waiting for my fren to come back.
then i will get the ER-4s pair with the RH-10, wondering how will this setup sound.

US$190 is a good price! where is your friend getting them from? do share hope your RH-10 has enough juice to drive these earphones, as they are rated at 100ohms. get the most out of your setup by using the lineout on your md player and hooking it up to a portable amp perhaps.

erm, is the er-4p and 4s the same?
coz i can find no difference between them.
and the amp of the RH-10 not enough to drive the ER-4s/p?
i tot the er-4p/s is mean for portable.


*jz find out that there are 3 versions of ER-4p/b/s.
one more question, p or s to get?

This post has been edited by yanjinowa: Aug 16 2005, 02:57 AM

The ER-4s has a nominal impedance value of 100 ohm compared to the 27 ohm of the 4p, which mean that the 4s will be significantly harder to drive than the 4p.

That said, 100 ohm isn't impossible to drive with a portable, though it might not be at its best without the benefit of an additional amplifier.

If you plan to drop some cash on an amp, then the 4s should be a safe choice, but if you know you don't ever want to use an external amp, then stick with the 4p just to be on the safe side.

What's more, you can convert a 4p into a 4s should you want to at a later stage, but not vice versa.

the 4s is the one you should get.
i just cant get myself to buy something like that despite however good deal/great sound it is. it just look too ugly i bet they are gonna launch a new model to replace that pretty soon. the er4 has been in the market for very very very long.

forget the 4b. either go with the 4p or the 4s. if you are 100% certain u wont be getting an amp, the 4p would probably be a safer bet. regarding using them as portables, i see quite a number of people on head-fi using the 4s for home use and the 6i for their daily commute.

actually, i m still confuse at this moment guys.
cos head-fi review got list "p to s cable", wat the heck is this?
its making me confused.
anyway, the design is definitely bad compare to er-6i or e3c, but compare to the output of the quality i guess this should be the one to get.

actually i plan to get it use outdoor. but guess that i wont be using any portable amp, becoz i cant find any good one like the cmoy amp in Malaysia.
or can someone build for me?
really scare that the bass is lacking when i use it in bus trip.

The P to S cable is for those people who buy the ER4P, once you use that extra cable, it changes the sound characteristics of the ER4P to match the ER4S exactly.

erm, then back to a very simple thing now.
comparing a USD99 er-6i and USD190 er-4, which one will u get?
or get shure e3c................?

It's really hard to decide unless you hear all of them with your setup.

http://store.earphonesolutions.com/index.html

Hope this help to provide you more info.

considering your situation of using earphones with a portable setup but without an amplifier, i'd go with either the er6 or the shure. i chose ER6 over ER6i cause the 6i is white and i have bad experience with my white EX71SL and the white cord getting all grey and dirty. also, the ER6 has a more accurate frequency response than the 6i (i like to listen to music the way it was recorded and not having any coloured sound from the earphones).. of course, if u are a whitey person, then by all means go with the 6i if u got the extra money to spare, just go for the ER4P + the P to S converter. that way, u get the ER4P and if u feel like trying the ER4S sound, just hook up the converter and there u go.

i wanan buy new headphone for my mp3 player as well... mikechai is selling the philips one that one good ar? RM85 worth ma? markt price how much ar?

or there is any other better earphone range that price? recommend me pleaseeeeee

all this depends on your budget.if u got the budget u can always get the 1 they mentioned earlier,etymotic.but mike's philips also not bad.value for money.of course we must compare epal to epal la both diff class

just to let you guys know, the ebay seller "idealsound" is affiliated with www.discountheadphones.com and they are selling the ER4s earphones for US$180 which is really well below the retail of US$330. i used their "offer best price" option in their auction and gave an offer of US$170 which they declined but messaged me saying they would sell for US$180. of course, + US$40 shipping international

i wonder what happens if you put $10
oh btw, idealsound is discountheadphone....just that discountheadphone is their store name in ebay. idealsound is their general web store name they are even under the same address XD

oh btw, i have a feeling that (based on some reviews) the so called ultra high detail on the er4 is actually the ultra crisp highs...= super bright phone. it is also said that it is quite bassless...got a feeling that it is even brighter than the er6...man...ear piercing ouch!

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 20 2005, 03:21 AM

WTF?!?!?! US$40 for shipping a small little box?!?

What, they overnight it to you or something?


@yanjinowa,

If you're interested in getting the ER-6i, then go to either headroom or earphonesolutions and try to get them to price match with Buy.com's USD81 (plus coupon) offer. Plus shipping, it should set you back around USD100 or so, unless you plan to load up on filters/tips/etc.

I think the ER-6i is a great way to get to know if you dig IEMs at minimal cost. It's good enough to tide you over if you like it before you start itching for the ER4 or higher, plus if your source is less than fantastic, it should be as far up the ladder you want to go before LDMR starts to skew things towards cost rather than benefit. And if you find that you don't like the whole 'sticking things into your ears' business, you'll probably find that it'll be easier to offload RM400 earphones than RM800 ones

actually...im gonna let go of my er6 that i received yesterday...if anybody is interested..lemme know.. USD68 + RM12 shipping.

small box? nice....you ever seen the box? they ship by ups worldwide express, usually take 3-4 days to reach asia i belive. it cost USD35 to ship across boarder when I ordered the hd650 from them. if you quote the same box size, weight, yada yada from ups' site...it cost > 100 bucks

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 20 2005, 06:13 AM

How big can the box be? I've seen the ER-4s retail box, just a little larger than the one on the ER-6i, and it can easily fit inside a padded envelope.

Don't tell me they try and stuff it inside a Jumbo Box?!?

Where can u find it in Malaysia? And how much?

it's at least 3-4 times the size. the er6 can be shipped as document, the er4 must be shipped as parcel and they do use larger box with cushion for added protection.

Find what? The Er-6/i?

If you mean those two, scotty the moddy is selling them so click on the link under his posts to find more info.

As for the ER-4, nowhere that I know but I'm sure if you talk to scotty that he can probably hook you up with a pair.

If you plan to order them online, check out HeadRoom, Earphonesolutions, DiscountHeadphones, etc.

I saw both the ER-4 and ER-6i in Bangkok and the retail box didn't look all that different. That was when I wondered how tiny the ER-4's toolbox must be to fit in the same box.

Of course, I didn't bother to look too long since they were going for about 7500 Baht just for the ER-6i

well, for all u guys advice i would like to get the er-4p a go.
then where else i can get the p-s cable? andhow much does it cost?

i can make it for you but i dont ahve 70+ohm resistors now

then when will u be able to make it?
haha.
and how much?
u still in canada now right?
so how is the shipping?

the closest resistor i have now is 100ohm, 1% tolerance. can be hand matched for both channels. That will make the er4 around 130ohm, as oppose to 100ohm of the er4s. shipping back to msia is RM10-12. the adapter...cost around 20usd + shipping if u get it off from someone else in the states though. i dun have any pricing yet since i dont have the resostors for perfect cloning of the adapter

How abt the Shure E4c compare to er-4p?

I send an equiry mail to HeadRoom few days ago but no respond yet...

Online purchasing must through credit card? I'm noob in Online shopping:sweat:

No worries. Online purchasing is as safe (or as risky, depending on whether you're a half full/halfempty kinda guy) as retail buying, if you take the proper precautions.

I buy most of my gear online as it's often cheaper even after you factor in shipping and most times, I find it a lot easier and more convenient.

sorry... just to add something..

Earphone kenal Government Duty and Tax ler...

All audio equipment is taxable in Malaysia.

If it's sent in via FedEx/DHL/UPS/couriers, chances are you might get hit with import duties (round about 10%, IIRC).

Packages via mail rarely, if ever, get taxed but takes longer and are at higher risk of getting tampered with or lost (though it's never happened to me before).

Cmoy amp good meh? It's made up of less than USD10's worth of parts and can be built in 15 minutes Maybe add 2 more bucks for a tin of strepsils.

I have the ER-4Ps that I use with my iPod mini. Note that they come 3 sets (if I'm not mistaken) of silicon eartips and foamies... if you're having trouble with the silicons then just use the foamies. I personally use foamies for a better seal - they give you better bass too.

All the ER-4 models have identical drivers, it's just the cable which is different. I had my original cable (the "rubbery" one) broken, sent it back to Ety and within 2 weeks I got them back with the new braided cable.

wanna be my supplier?

I'm in aus leh

A Cmoy with generic parts can be made with less than USD15 easily, especially if you "mass-produce" and buy them in bulk lah. I have a cmoy and meta in KL, but I did put a fake alps in as well as silver plated ofc, and IIRC it was less than AUD40 in materials... but my 2132s were samples

ety's all the way.

lemme highlight the important points. it is not possible with vishay dale 1% resistors, panasonic/nichicon/sanyo oscon caps, panasonic pot, printed copper clad board (ugh...not with those universal boards XD), non-free opamps, shipping cost, +*PROFIT MARGIN u know...if you take china stuff into account...it could be even cheaper(with uber generic stuff LOL)...and how much is the grado RA-1? 300+USD retail? LMAO....

EDIT: *added an important point.

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 23 2005, 06:42 AM

Why would you want vishays in a cmoy? By generic parts I meant radioshack stuff, which is what most people who make and sell these for profit would use anyway. Only PIMETAs get spec'd with vishays and branded caps, but if you don't take shipping and profit into cost the real worth of a cmoy is only 15 bucks. And compared to a mint/meta/pimeta/ppa it does sound 15 bucks.

I really recommend anyone who wants an amp to get a PIMETA or PPA instead - it may cost more but the improvement in sound quality is enough to justify it. Not to mention that if you ever want to tweak it with minor upgrades (rolling OPAs, stacking and such) you could, since doing so with a cmoy would get you little improvement.

why not vishay? is a cmoy too crappy to have quality components in it? I never settle for less

Having vishays isn't going to make your cmoy sound any better.

Advantages of higher grade resistors are:

i) They are matched closely, meaning Vishay gurantees that they will not go off by more than +/-1%, meaning if a particular resistor is rated for 10 Ohms it will not be more than 10.1 or less than 9.9 Ohms. A pariah resistor might go off as much as 5%.

Most people aren't going to pair a cmoy with top tier phones, ie. Stax, K1000s (not like a cmoy can power these anyway), CD/SA3k and of course your HD650s. No one is going to notice that a 5% difference in left/right channel resistance with their PX100s. For a piece of mind, you could always match resistor pairs, if you had a whole bag of resistors that shouldn't be a problem.

The same reason applies as to why you wouldn't need to use Blue Velvet pots. If you insist on "quality" components, why not make a matched step attenuator for your cmoys?

ii) They heat up less, and heat is known to alter resistance values for the resistor, making them truer to their rated values vs pariah resistors.

A cmoy is designed to be portable, hence most of them run on batteries. There is not enough current to significantly cause the resistors to heat up.


So back to your original question, IMO, yes I do think a cmoy is too crappy for quality components.

This post has been edited by skyther: Aug 23 2005, 09:14 PM

LOL ok. good for you.

*shrugs*

A cmoy was made to be cheap, so putting quality components into a cmoy while pushing the cost up defeats the purpose of the design to be simple and cheap.

Whatever floats your boat I guess. A Wira with Evolution mods (ala 4G63) is still a Wira, if you get what I mean. There's only so much you can do to improve something that was meant to be for the budget minded.

have u thought that maybe its because you've been using crappy components, thats making it sound crappy?

Zzzz. There's no difference lah. Cmoy is to weak to power higher end headphones. The circuit is so simple, the parts for it are available everywhere unlike PIMETA/PPA etc where most people will have to order the PCB. Cmoy is really to help people without a background in electronics build their first amplifier. In other words, it makes really little sense for someone to actually buy one.

And the parts I used for mine were not exactly super cheap, afaik the chinese Alps is actally comparable with the real thing, minus the stupid stepped action they tried to imitate.

Resistors make very little, if any difference in sound. The capacitors, OPA and workmanship are the ones that make a difference in sound. The only part of the resistor that would matter is the wire and material used, but that's not even 1CM long so it becomes rather insignificant.

Taken from Tangent's website: http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/parts.html


lol, that's really like using a 500W PSU for a PC that has only a non Prescott CPU, 1 HDD and 1 DVD-ROM.

If you happen to drop by Head-Fi (I don't go there much anymore, the place was much better before all the nice guys left), check around to see who pairs a cmoy with their 400-dollar-or-more headphone in their primary rig.

Hi,

Actually posted this on the linear simple question, but sadly nobody reads that trend. SO i am gonna post it here. Just a simple question yet i have no clue to buying headphones.

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Going to get a set of headphones for gaming. Please recommend. My budget, not more RM100.

Thanks smile.gif

u hardcore gamer or not? if chinchai gamer then anything also can de

Definately hardcore !!!

If i was going to buy cincai 1..then no need to ask lo right or not?

rm100 ar try out the philips hp805 lo around rm88 n below i might b able to get around rm80 for ya

Get for me one also if like dat please!!

ur a hardcore gamers but are u choosy when it comes to the proper hardware requirement for ur gaming needs? if yes i suggest u to expand that rm100 budget

Any pics? and specs?

hardcore gamer also got budget ma right or not?

For RM100, thats the only thing you can get =P beyond RM100 (lol) we have the SHP895 and the HP890, both are good for gaming I think. Search the forum for info. If you want even better stuff than that... Theres this siberia icemat headphone... check out pcmoddingmy.com =P (not sure if this is right url though... do some googling to confirm it)

Some good reviews on the net on HP890 but the price!!!! GBP65.00!!!

But i believe good things dun come cheap

I'm planning on buying an USB Headphone. You guys know any that is good and does not cost more than RM200?

not that expensive la.only around rm180-rm190.even the new 895 only around rm 195.btw i gonna move your thread later to a existing "pls recommend me" thread

why usb? why don't get a normal headphone with normal earphone jack? most of the computer with capable to play sound has a built in earphone/ line out jack. even notebook.
buy one with earphone jack can let you connect to some portable player too.
consider it. perhaps hp890 or hp895.

if is a usb port u only can use it for pc.if u get those mini jacks u can use it most of the players available. of course pc too

But isn't it kinda "leceh" if sometimes I use the speakers for my computer and sometimes I kinda like to use the headphones since I have to pull the plug everytime I wanna change.....or is there a better way?

get a stereo jack splitter would be the easiest hassle free way

Wow, I just googled about that up. Never knew it existed heheheheh, so I think its better to just get a SJS then.

But does USB Headphones have better sound quality than the normal ones?

I was in your pos. too,was thinking of USB headphone ( EASY WAY OUT),suppose if built-in amp, good sound,digital through USB. but when I was intro to SJS

WOW!!! My sugestion, get the SJS,its chEaper.
for good sound get USB HP.

check out this 5.1 USB headphones...

http://www.myirock.com/players/newproducts.asp

If you already have a good soundcard, most probably it will not sound better. Having audio processor and amp integrated with the headphone is redundant so why pay more for that? I believe the chips inside the headphone will be inferior than in ur soundcard.

my advice is , get a splitter or an extension. I'd prefer an extension so you can switch the plug with the speaker. Using splitter with a speaker can make ur headphone under-powered

This post has been edited by shinnosuke: Aug 25 2005, 12:24 PM

Does anybody know if this is available in Malaysia

http://www.medusa-usa.com/sl8790.htm

or something with the same features?


thanks

I know that AVpro is a Headphone with Surround DTS system, 8 speakers and the headphone will vibrate according to the sound/bass..

moved here.

earphones for sleeping?
u mean like earplugs to block the noise out?
or u wanna listen to soothing music to help u sleep

for running probably some canal phones since they fit tightly in your ear, tried with normal earphones before and they kept coming out
but some light headphones might be better for this, think there are some specially made ones

hmm it probably doesn't come with a boom mic..

hehe gonna be using it primarily for games and sometimes for movies on my computer.. so the mic is necessary..

anybody got any other recommendations??

THanks

How they fit the sub woofer into that headphone ?

Lol, the subwoofer only 32mm... =P I think a normal stereo headphone should do just fine, compared to pricey 5.1 headphones.

i have read a few reviews on it and it is highly recommended.

how much is it? maybe you can have it shipped from US... I think shipping will cost you about 20 USD

its a crazy 100usd in the US and 32pounds from the UK

cos i think its a european brand... yeah i still looking for shops that ship to malaysia

buy zalman 5.1 and buy rm 10 mic from computer shop.
selotape the mic to the headphone
voila...it does not even cost above rm 200

i think a member here bought it from firebox.com but it cost him a bomb mainly cos of the shipping costs.

dont be surprise when u get your headphones. might be a big " made in china" chop on the headphones hahaha. just jk just jk

I've posted this on mikechai's bulk sales thread but I thought that I'd try my luck here since all the gurus hang out here.

Which of these 2 headphones will be better for my usage, assuming that cost is not taken into account. I use it primarily for soft music/ classical/ jazz / great-vocals based, ballads/instrumental ... and sometimes the ocassional soft rock and pop.
Not really into alternative/ heavy metal stuff.

Was hoping that someone who has tried or experienced both/either of these models could help me out. I have another thread asking about the HP900 but seems like not many people knows of this model (obselete?). And from the feedback i got, it seems like the HP900 is not really recommended. So, i was wondering what about these two models?

P/S: I hope it's alright to post it here as a new topic. The mods please feel free to help move it to somewhere else which they feel fit. Thanks

This post has been edited by lemon_lime: Aug 29 2005, 06:24 PM

You can try AVPRO PDVD-9208




5.1 DTS w/AMP....

errr, depends on how much money you want to spend? the SHP 895 is supposed to be superior to the 805, based on price =P If you have even more cash, go for the HP1000

is the SHP805 worth the money spent...issit light?

This post has been edited by pukarix: Aug 29 2005, 02:53 PM

i have tested both. and i listen to mostly jazz/acoustics/soft rock and some pop which closely resembling your taste of music. and my advice is, get the SHP-895. in fact, i'm telling you to keep away from the SHP-805.

the bass, mids and highs on those 805 is accepatable considering the price (which is half the 895), but it lacks depth, stereofield and soundstage. really, the depth is just not there. you won't get the sound that you will get with the 895.

the 805 is also brighter than the 895, and is easier to drive compared to the 895. even my Apacer USB MP3 player could drive it quite well compared to the 895. and while the 895 would definately benifit from external amplification, the 805 would stay static.

the 805 is lighter than the 895, and doesn't clamp as hard as the 895. but for the sound that you will get, i strongly suggest the 895 over the 805.