Because guys like that don't pull, squat 3x BW hahahaha

human body could get more muscular and bigger than that without steroids...
tom venuto and gregg plitt is natural...ppl with steroids is like ronnie and mr o friends...

Much is riding on T-levels. Here's a little light reading:

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/boosttes.htm

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Added on November 1, 2009, 12:37 pmI wonder if there are any natural supplements, Chinese or otherwise, that raises T-levels? One of my Japanese colleagues told me about his experience taking Tongkat Ali. He's a chain smoker, like so many Japanese men, so doesn't have much of an erection. He said taking TA chips boiled for 20 minutes in water gave him a rock hard cock for 2 hours.

But I'm not sure if TA gives erections w/o elevating T-levels, or if it elevates T-levels which causes erections. But maybe there are other supplements. Ginseng, maybe?

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Added on November 1, 2009, 12:46 pmLooks like TA causes erections by elevating T-levels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurycoma_longifolia

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Added on November 1, 2009, 12:49 pmThe maca root, another aprodisiac, gives erections w/o influencing hormonal levels, which is not what we want (though it's very nutritious):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidium_meyenii

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Added on November 1, 2009, 12:51 pmWhere to find good unadulterated Tongkat Ali?

This post has been edited by kotmj: Nov 1 2009, 12:51 PM

Been doing
Squat, bench press & overhead press (sitting position) recently. All with the support of the stand (dont know how to call it-although i know doing free is better but i still cant manage the skill)

Realise that my progress isnt consistent-that said, sometimes can do more than 50 times some times cant.

Realise i can do most when it is from Tuesday-Thrusday and Monday and Friday, are the worse. Why is that so?

1. What supplement should i take to increase my strength and in the meantime, wont cause high bf? Planning to reduce my bf first.

2. overhead press in sitting position is better or should do it while standing? as i realise if i do it in sitting position, my abs also being worked out (mb i perasan?). Cause i have to suck in my tummy in doing so.

3. because of doing all these, i have not been doing cardio, will it affect my fat burning effect? cz i wanna loose bf

cheers

This post has been edited by de.crystal: Nov 1 2009, 01:10 PM

Is there such a thing as a Malay pharmacy/medicine hall? Which area of KL do I find them?

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Added on November 1, 2009, 10:49 pmTaken from: http://www.medicinehunter.com/tongkat_ali.htm

In densely shaded greenery in the sweltering hot Malaysian rainforest, I watched three aboriginal men chop a mature Tongkat Ali root, one of the most powerful aphrodisiac plants on earth, out of dense soil. Researching sex-enhancing plants often puts me in marvelous and remote places. In this instance, the trail led me to Malaysia to research Tongkat Ali. For this I can thank Annie Eng of Herbal Powers, who first introduced me to this plant, and who accompanied me to Southeast Asia.

Tongkat Ali is a popular folk name for Eurycoma longifolia, a medium size slender tree reaching 10 metres in height. The name Tongkat Ali means “Ali’s walking stick.” Another folk name for the plant is Longjack. Tongkat Ali is native to Malaysia, lower Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia. The root is employed as a traditional remedy for the treatment of malaria, high blood pressure, fevers, fatigue, loss of sexual desire, and impotence. Tongkat Ali enjoys both a long history of traditional use, and a growing body of serious science corroborating its efficacy.

The difficulty of harvesting Tongkat Ali in the wild is one very good reason to cultivate the trees in plantations. Additionally, as this traditional plant remedy becomes more popular, supplies of Tongkat Ali in the wild will inevitably decrease. Over time, this tree could become endangered. To preserve the natural environment, and to protect remaining wild specimens of Tongkat Ali, Malaysia is currently establishing plantations of this tree. The Malaysian government is enthusiastic about the future of Tongkat Ali, and is providing economic support for its development. To every appearance, Tongkat Ali is a market volcano of Krakatoa proportions, ready to blow.
The Testosterone Builder

Tongkat Ali is a scientifically studied plant which holds up brilliantly under close scrutiny. The root contains a plethora of beneficial compounds, including potent protective antioxidants which inhibit cellular aging. Other phytochemicals in Tongkat Ali are anti-viral, anti-malarial, and anti-cancerous. Others combat high blood pressure, and quell dysentery. Quassinoids in the root prove twice as potent as aspirin against fevers.

Even with its other serious medical applications, what excites most people about Tongkat Ali is that the root significantly boosts sex drive and function in both men and women, by building testosterone. Agents identified as glycoproteins appear to be the sex-promoting ingredients in the plant. This discovery, and years of painstaking research, is the work of Dr. Johari Saad , who is called by many the King Of Tongkat Ali. Dr Johari has conducted the definitive animal research on Tongkat Ali, and developed a novel and proprietary method of extracting the beneficial compounds from the root. His extract, LJ100, has been used in both human and animal studies.

“In our studies, we looked at what was happening with animals when we gave them a specially made water soluble extract of Tongkat Ali.” Joe explained to me. “It basically came down to four categories, increased testosterone, increased energy, inhibition of SHBG, and increased muscle mass.” Joe explained that when given Tongkat ali extract, animals copulate three to four times more frequently than normal. This is due, as it turns out, to a significant increase in testosterone. In fact, testosterone levels in animals given Tongkat Ali increase an unprecedented three to four times on average. While animal results do not always guarantee similar activity in people, the same testosterone-boosting effect does occur in human studies. In laboratory tests on human testicular tissue, Tongkat Ali extract increased the formation of testosterone fourfold.

Increasing testosterone is the big objective from a sex drive standpoint. Testosterone is the most important of the male sex hormones, which are known as androgens, and are produced in the gonads. Testosterone plays a key role in the development and maturity of male sex organs. The hormone promotes secondary sex characteristics including the appearance of facial hair, enlargement of the larynx (producing a deeper voice), sexual desire and sexual behavior. But testosterone is not just a sex booster for men. Women also produce testosterone, about 5 – 10% the amount produced in men. In women, this vital hormone also fans the flames of ardor, and increases sensitivity in the erogenous zones. In both sexes, testosterone stimulates metabolism, promotes lipogenesis (burning of fat), increases the formation of red blood cells, and accelerates muscle growth.

From age thirty or so, blood levels of the hormone decline at a rate of about 2% per year. The level will vary from one person to another. Regular exercise helps to keep a somewhat higher level of testosterone. Those who smoke or drink heavily will lose more of this hormone more quickly. As testosterone decreases in the body, muscle tone, energy and sex drive all begin to decline. In both sexes, sex drive, function, fat metabolism and energy decline into middle age, as blood testosterone drops.

With Tongkat Ali extract you can boost your testosterone levels back up to more youthful levels. Dr Johari also found that Tongkat Ali extract inhibits Sex Hormone Binding Globulin. By inhibiting this agent, more free testosterone remains in the blood. This additionally stems the aging process, improving energy and sexual function, helping to reduce body fat, and reducing risk factors associated with cardiovascular disease.

In both men and women, pharmaceutical testosterone has been successfully used as a therapeutic aid in cases of low sex drive. The hormone has also been used to treat some cases of erectile dysfunction in men. In the case of Tongkat Ali, we have a safe, natural plant agent which causes the body to produce its own testosterone, thereby boosting sexual desire and function. Tongkat Ali gets to the absolute essence of human sex drive, and improves it.
An Athletic Edge

As if increasing testosterone weren’t enough, Tongkat Ali extract also greatly increases ATP production. ATP, or adenosine triphosphate, is the basic unit of energy in the body, responsible for keeping us alive and going. By increasing ATP, overall energy and vitality are increased. Most people want more energy, and Tongkat Ali provides it, without hyperstimulation, jittery nerves, or insomnia. This is the holy grail of human energy production, and is a valuable enough health benefit by itself to make Tongkat Ali an enduring superstar on the medicinal plant stage.

Athletes and body builders will employ any agent which boosts performance or muscle mass. In both animals and humans, Tongkat Ali extract increases muscle mass. In a study of men, half of the subjects ingested Tongkat Ali extract and half did not. In an eight week physical training program, the men who consumed Tongkat Ali extract experienced greater gains in muscle mass and strength than those who did not. This demonstrates the powerful anabolic properties of Tongkat Ali. Thanks to this significant discovery, a growing number of Asian athletes and body builders now use Tongkat Ali extract as an androgen, to improve muscle size and strength, and to enhance sports performance.
The Sex Doctor

In the Malaysian capitol of Kuala Lumpur, I met with Dr Ismail Tambi, who runs the Human Reproduction Specialist Center. Dr. Tamby is one of the foremost experts on reproductive health in all of Southeast Asia, and is also the leading medical expert on the effects of Tongkat Ali root extract on human subjects. In his work with men, Dr Tamby has found that use of Tongkat ali extract significantly increases testosterone production. “In our studies, we found that Tongkat ali extract increased the serum level of testosterone considerably.” I asked Dr Tamby if the men in his study experienced renewed sexual vitality, or heightened sexual desire. “Oh, yes, most definitely. The men found that Tongkat Ali boosted their sex drive quite a lot. I think that for low libido, Tongkat Ali extract is very valuable. I have seen this result for myself, and can say that this plant really works.” I asked Dr Tamby if the same would apply to women, who secrete only about 5 – 10% as much testosterone as men. “Yes, it certainly should boost libido in women as well, as testosterone is essential to a woman’s sexual desire. Women have used Tongkat Ali for a very long time in this culture,” he added.

Dr. Tamby conducted the PADAM study, in which he investigated Partial Androgen Deficiency In Males. He selected thirty adult males of various ages, assessed their testosterone levels, and then gave them 100 mg of Tongkat Ali extract daily. The testosterone levels of all the subjects rose, resulting in a 91% improvement in libido, a reported 73% improvement in sexual function, and an 82% psychological improvement relative to sex among the men who participated in the study.
Using Tongkat Ali

Dr Johari and other experts involved with this plant recommend around 100 milligrams of concentrated Tongkat ali standardized to approximately 22% glycoproteins daily for men, and around 50 milligrams for women.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Nov 1 2009, 10:49 PM

The body sure is an interesting thing.

In the 2 months I haven't been lifting due to my back injury, I've managed to add half an inch to both my forearms and a 1/4" to each of my arms as well from just pull-ups and push-ups. And my diet hasn't been as good as I would like it to be either. Though, its depressing not being able to do any leg work as anything that puts pressure on my lower back or causes it to bend or arch to a certain degree causes me to feel a really sharp pain at the bottom of my spine which in turn causes me to lose my balance and most probably buckle under the pain.

Meh, really bittersweet time right now, for me.

This post has been edited by -Dan: Nov 2 2009, 06:23 PM

Interesting read on the tongkat ali. My concern about tongkat ali is we have heaps of people selling them in Malaysia, but to obtain the purest one among all is just practically tough.... anyone know good sources?

I have been emailing with a source who harvests it in the jungle for himself and friends. He said several kilos is not a problem; the question is how much am I willing to pay for raw green tongkat ali? How much should I offer him per kilo? I'm thinking of 5 kg, or about 50 grams/day for 3 months.

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Added on November 2, 2009, 7:13 pmEssentially, I have to pay him enough for him to get his ass off the couch and go forage for it in mosquito and leech infested jungle. Say it takes 2 trips to get 5 kg. Would RM 400 be sufficient compensation?

This post has been edited by kotmj: Nov 2 2009, 07:15 PM

Talk to him, and organize a group purchase, ask him how much is he looking at, ..or worst case...lets all go in the forest together..hahah

Good luck drinking it!

am i asking stupid questions?
no one seems to answer my questions

widely sad, "its not the matter how heavy you can lift, its how heavy you looked you can lift the matter most"

do you think its fair, for a person who only can lift half your weight but look half time better than you?

I met a lot of this kind, there is nth as fair, you are comparing yourself for improvement, not with others.

My two cents.

Its not fair, ppl telling me "berat u ambi, tapi tak besar la". Tats very sad.

But those are ppl's comment, just move on and train and eat, pay ur deal tats all. hehe.

as you are an idiot. we have no idea why you doing 50times? why dont you do 100times?


This post has been edited by yeah_guyz: Nov 3 2009, 09:53 AM

1. What supplement should i take to increase my strength and in the meantime, wont cause high bf? Planning to reduce my bf first.
Are u even following a sound nutrition plan ? why not keep your diet in check and follow proper progression in weights/intensity, rest periods, etc? Supplement are meant to supplement what you are doing not do wonders .. stick to the basics,not paralysis by over-analysis

2. overhead press in sitting position is better or should do it while standing? as i realise if i do it in sitting position, my abs also being worked out (mb i perasan?). Cause i have to suck in my tummy in doing so.

just stop complaining and do it, worry bout details later. I prefer doing it standing, works my CORE lol
The "crunch generation" has been brainwashed into sucking their tummy in when performing exercises. You are supposed to have your core tight and full of energy, you supposed to feel anchored in your lower abdomen. what do u feel when u suck ur tummy in. Like a weak disconnected beauty queen. Go get a manicure !

3. because of doing all these, i have not been doing cardio, will it affect my fat burning effect? cz i wanna loose bf

I know having low bf is wonderful but how much do you weight at the moment ? a paltry 60 kgs ? why not concentrate on building some muscle mass and strength then talk about looking all "TONED" AND CUT UP. can't believe I used the word TONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

over and out, I can see why questions like these pisses all the veterannss away.

This post has been edited by ken86: Nov 3 2009, 10:24 AM

1. If one supplement is good, more is better. Take everything you can find.

2. Do the overhead press while kneeling. It strengthens the splenius and gluteus midiismus.

Actually when kneeling, it increases the core stability as well. Ridiculous workout.
FOr example check this guy out

no no... its not stupid. its rubbish. =.=
haha... u look at ur own statement.
"Realise that my progress isnt consistent-that said, sometimes can do more than 50 times some times cant. "

wah lao eh... u do till 50 times for wat? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

My source says he wants RM150/kg and a minimum order of 10 kg for dry tongkat ali root. He can deliver them either whole or chipped.

Looks like I will need to organize a group buy for this, with some profit for me. How many of you are interested (non-binding) to buy this at RM200/kg with a minimum order quantity of 0.5 kg? I want to gauge the interest.

its bitter like no other


Chow