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TSClarkFann
post Apr 4 2009, 01:24 AM, updated 16y ago

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im female, 162cm currently 53kg
but my 18years old birthday is coming soon,on May 8th
i wanna reach 50kg,but how?will i fulfil my bday wishes?
i hit the gym trice a week,each time 10 mins warm up on treadmills,30 mins on crosstrainer,30 mins stationary bikes
and 1/2 set circuit training
some light weightlifting more icon_rolleyes.gif

i am form 5,wake up in the morning at 5:30 Mon-Fri
my breakfast is two slices of wholemeal bread with a cup of milo
during 10:25am in the school recess time,my breakfast is still wholemeal bread,[but a slices only]
after back from school,my lunch is fruits- apple/banana/papaya [when im at home]
dinner is a bowl of oatmeal daily~[without added condensed milk,juz a few raisins]

my work out time is Mon,Wed,Fri
1-2 hours each time,before hit gym my lunch is 2 boiled egg white and a slices of wholemeal bread

i poo daily,will i reach 50kg on May? unsure.gif i left 3 weeks to go...1 week is [menstruation,cant work out,LOL]
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post Apr 4 2009, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(crashbandicoot @ Apr 4 2009, 01:31 AM)
sounds crazy to me.
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how come?u mean my work out session or daily meal?
i eat like these everyday......for a long time
and i am now a bit low blood pressure+low dia
anaemia somemore
coz i had my unbalanced diet since last year August,been started to diet
i lost 17kg in 7 months,through diet only,i used to be 70+kg
i joined the fitness centre in March 18th 09,coz this year my weight drop very slow... doh.gif hav to work out more to break my stubborn weight icon_question.gif


Added on April 4, 2009, 1:43 am
QUOTE(vanzheng @ Apr 4 2009, 01:35 AM)
push up 50 times a day... i'm a male i'm 176cm ++ , i eat 1 time a day... only dinner at 7pm, and before sleep i do push up 50 times... my weight is lose from 80kg now become 73 only in 1 month ++
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ur even profound than me,ur diet
i lost 10kg at last year November-December
coz i wake up in the afternoon,juz eat fruits,dinner is oatmeal...daily~
i skipped my breakfast and lunch,everyday sleep in the middle of the night and wake up in the afternoon
thats why i lost my weight drastically[i know this is insane and unhealthy]
i slightly wanna get anorexia last year,i guess
fortunately now i eat carbs,i used to avoid them,then i turn to be low blood pressure and low dia..
avoid fats too,then my skin is rough like road..
now my skin is smooth,but anaemia always happen....
i want to reach 50kg on May,whatever it takes[LOL]

This post has been edited by ClarkFann: Apr 4 2009, 01:43 AM
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post Apr 4 2009, 01:49 AM

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There is no formula for this. It depends on ur body type. No1 can assure u can get to 50 in 3 weeks time.

With ur diet and cardio, u're most likely to lose 2lbs or more for the 1st week. Btw, if u're lifting weight, ur muscle might get some mass on the 2nd week.

According to Tom Vuento, weightlifting increases metabolism after your gym session and cardio burn calories on the spot.

My suggestion is, if u really wan fast effect, do HIIT. High intensive interval training burn more calories in lesser time. This is mentally torturing, but if u can sustain this, u're on the way to fitness.

Another thing u can do is, double cardio. 1 during morning before breakfast, and one during evening. Some of the bodybuilders do these 3-4 weeks prior to competition.

Another thing is, u might wanna add another meal. 5times a day.
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post Apr 4 2009, 01:18 PM

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Your BMI is normal for female.
At your weight, I don't think you should be too worried about your weight.
If you want to achieve better shape and tone by May, you should think about body fat % instead.
Body fat of 18-21% for female would be lean and good looking. (22-25% is normal)

First, your diet is a little cacated. There's no protein, and a lot of carb (which makes you fat if you take too much)
And a lot of fibre (which is good)

Here's a suggestion. If you can't follow all, just try to add some protein here and there (milk, eggs, tuna, meat, fish, peanut butter):

Breakfast: Replace Milo with MILK. Milo is nothing but choc flavour + sugar.
Maybe you might want to add some peanut butter (Steffi is sugarless) or tuna or an egg to your wholemeal bread to make it more balanced. Oh, oatmeals+milk in the morning is good too! (not condensed milk)

Recess: Err, peanut butter + 1 slice of wholemeal might be better. Even better --> just replace it with 1 banana + yogurt/vitagen/yakult.
Lunch: Eat something proper lah. Reduce rice, increase vege, fruits, eat eggs, and some meat.

Tea time: Fruits.
Dinner: Oatmeal + milk. Don't add condensed milk lah <-- it's all sugar. Add low fat milk, or skimmed milk or non-fat milk, or 1 egg. A few raisins only, just a few pieces of it? And eat fruits too.

Your workout:
Like Kayden said it: Do HIIT. And increase some intensity.
That means you go very fast 1 minute, then slow down 1 minute. (30 sec fast-30 sec slow, also can). E.g bike. (1)30s you cycle hard, (2) then you cycle slower, or use less resistance for 30s. Repeat this for 10-15 minutes. You can use it for cross trainer also.
It keeps your body in fat burning mode for the whole day, even after you have stopped running. Way more effective than 30 minutes of normal cycling.
rclxms.gif You've got a good pre-workout meal too! Eat 1 full eggs instead of 2 egg yolk.
2 egg whites = 1 full egg(with its yolk). And egg yolk got a lot of vitamins and mineral (really a lot). Please don't waste it. 1-2 egg yolks a day won't make you fat or un-healthy, since you workout very often.

Oh, if you can do some simple exercises at home too. Like star jumps or squats or hula loop. Just star-jump/squat/hula-loop for for 1-2 minutes every few hours to keep your metabolic rate high. =)

BTW, what is your circuit training like?

Here's a few articles on exercising during period:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark109.htm
http://www.bodybuildingtipsguide.com/blog/...enstrual-cycle/
But it's up to you whether you want to exercise or not during period.

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post Apr 4 2009, 01:44 PM

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On a quest to losing my weight (and having a nicer body), I've decided to run my own self disciplined weight loss programme. My condo which where I live have a really decent gym and a nice park so I have my own freedom of going for work out anytime I want.

For the last 3 months I've been working out and taking care of my eating habit. Basically my programme can be summarised up as follows :

Weekdays : Morning 2 pieces of wholemeal bread, with tuna(those with mayo and other stuff) and milk
Afternoon : Tau fu fah, fruits, sometimes chicken rice or beef noodle
Tea time : More fruits(usually watermelons and guava)
Dinner : Usually protein rich diet, such as chicken meat and minimise my carbo(by taking less rice)

Every morning I will do a simple jog around the park, which I estimate around 3km before starting my day. And in the evening I'll go to the gym and do some simple work out(20 minutes on walker and 20 minutes on the bicycle machine)


During the weekends I tend not to be conservative about my eating habit because I visit my parents on the weekend, so it is somewhat a bit displeasing to them if I refuse to eat so called oily food. Neverthless I try to limit myself by not overeating. Basically I don't work out on weekend.



3 months has pass by and while I am pleased about my weight loss(9 kg), I've been suffering a certain, if you would like to call it, side effects :


1) My morning jog is getting less effective. I do my jogging 40 minutes after my breakfast. Initially I have no problem running the 3km course in around 30 minutes. However as time passes by, after finishing my jog(despite under the same time frame of 30 minutes) I feel more tired and fatigue. since 2 weeks back I increase my breakfast load by eating 3 pieces of bread and more milk, but doesn't seem to help much


2) I have a hard time disposing my solid body waste. It is kinda dry and very little. To make things worst sometime I hardly have any body waste to dispose for the last 5 days.

3) I have occasionally have some dizzy spells randomly throughout the day, and have almost fainted twice.


So I suspect that the main reason for these problems lies on my probably un balanced diet. If so, can you guys help me out and point out where did I go wrong, and any recommendations to improve on these problems. Thank you smile.gif
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QUOTE(Gravity @ Apr 4 2009, 01:22 PM)
why TS sound like a guy.. if u wanan reduce weight.. the easiest way is to eat less and run more tongue.gif
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Don't follow this suggestion.
Good diet and good exercise is the way to go.
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TS,
i didn't see your second post.
BTW, eat the egg yolks. It's got iron which helps with the anemia.
Keep your diet moderate. Lower carb, lower fat, more protein.

Since you're anemic, I don't know if you can tahan the HIIT or not. You should increase the intensity step by step. Don't suddenly go crazy on HIIT... I scared you'll pengsan!
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post Apr 4 2009, 02:49 PM

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Hmm... I think you're not taking in enough of the proper vegetables. A lot of people don't like eating them so they just boycott them totally. What they don't realize is that vegetables :

-provide the nutrients + trace metals that you need for healthy body movement
-insoluble fiber to help with your bowel movement. Insoluble fiber has no nutrients but it's just to help you shit more easily.
-Eat a mix of green and colourful veggies.

Also, cut down on guava. It has an enzyme that acts the opposite of papaya i.e. it hardens the stool. So try to limit eating it too much. Also, to improve bowel movement, take yogurt or yogurt drink.

Protein diet : well, technically, you're not on a full protein diet because you're still taking a lot of carbo from what you've written. Atkins is one of the more famous protein diet but even they do not advocate going carbo-less for too long (their stage 1 diet).

Wholemeal bread : Check the ingredients. If you see white flour, it's not 100% wholemeal. And sometimes, has a lot of sugar in. I bake 100% wholemeal bread once, it was dense and heavy and not tasty because I didn't put enough sugar.

Mayo : How much do you use and did you use the lowfat version? Use 1/2 teaspoon next time. It's still fatty.

Milk : Use lowfat milk and check out the sugar/carbo content. Carbo gets converted to sugar inthe body. Any unused sugar is converted to storage fat.

Watermelon : A lot of sugar in this fruit. Read up on the Glycemic Index and you'll find that Watermelon is on the very top.

2 teatimes : I tend to space out my meals to about 3 hrs to the next one.

Portion control : Are you practicing this? Use a 10" plate. I described it in this other thread about it : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436
Note that portion control for normal people is different from athletes but even they watch the food that they eat.

Tau fu fah : SUGAR SYRUP!!! I would avoid.

Chicken Rice : The rice is made yellow from chicken fat.

Beef noodle : The problem with non-poultry meat is that it can contain fat i.e. streaky fat. Best to eat chicken - the fat is easier to remove. Or eat fish more - not only tuna but other types of fish, even local ones are pretty good.

Eating with parents : It's not too bad as long as you don't touch the rich food that has a lot of sugar, coconut milk curries. You can take small portions or wash it in a soup or bowl of hot water.

White rice : Bad bad bad for weight loss. I switch to multigrains to control my weight. And even then, it's only 2 tablespoon full per meal. Nothing more.

Fatigue : Take supplements. Multivitamins + antioxidants + grapeseed + calcium + fish oil. They will improve your body organs, processes and will help with digestion and overall health.

Morning jog : Do it before breakfast. Best time to lose weight is when you don't have food in your stomach. smile.gif Your body will take it from the storage fat.

Dizzy spells : No lunch? Are you also drinking enough water? At least 8 glasses a day or more after your exercise. Also, careful when eating fruits - you could be spiking your blood sugar levels which can make one dizzy, especially when you're controlling your diet. Your body will become more sensitive towards sugar (and even carbo foods) as you reduce sugar + carbo intake. I can't eat a slice of cake without getting a headache.


Added on April 4, 2009, 2:58 pmHmm...I'm not sure about the exercise regime. It sounds like you're pushing your body hard and there's also a question whether you're performing the exercises in good form.

I'll let the others comment on it.


Added on April 4, 2009, 3:01 pmLooks like the mods are combining threads. My answer was to Kaerna. Not Clarkfann.


Added on April 4, 2009, 3:13 pm
QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 4 2009, 01:24 AM)
im female, 162cm currently 53kg
but my 18years old birthday is coming soon,on May 8th
i wanna reach 50kg,but how?will i fulfil my bday wishes?
i hit the gym trice a week,each time 10 mins warm up on treadmills,30 mins on crosstrainer,30 mins stationary bikes
and 1/2 set circuit training
some light weightlifting more icon_rolleyes.gif

i am form 5,wake up in the morning at 5:30 Mon-Fri
my breakfast is two slices of wholemeal bread with a cup of milo
during 10:25am in the school recess time,my breakfast is still wholemeal bread,[but a slices only]
after back from school,my lunch is fruits- apple/banana/papaya [when im at home]
dinner is a bowl of oatmeal daily~[without added condensed milk,juz a few raisins]

my work out time is Mon,Wed,Fri
1-2 hours each time,before hit gym my lunch is 2 boiled egg white and  a  slices of wholemeal bread

i poo daily,will i reach 50kg on May? unsure.gif i left 3 weeks to go...1 week is [menstruation,cant work out,LOL]
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Hmmm... I take a slightly different viewpoint from iamyuan because his diet is focusing a lot on protein, mimicking a high protein diet to force your body to use fat and protein as energy sources. Also, my stand about the bodybuilding community in LYN forums is that they need to take in more veggies and a bit more fruit into their diet else they may have health problems later in life.

There is a lot of benefits to eating vegetables that most ppl just gloss over very quickly. Some veggies are good, some not so good but the key is moderation. Some veggies you can eat as much as you like with no impact. Some you just can't.

I would also say rethink on eating fruits as a meal. Even though the sugar is fructose, it is still sugar and can lead to problems. Probably cut down on portion and balance it with some carbo, protein AND veggies.

I posted some tips to Kaerna so that should help too. Also, try taking some multivitamins + minerals + grapeseed + etc. Food may not have the amount of nutrition that it may have had during our grandparents days.

I also think that you may need to change how you perceive yourself. If you can't lose the 3 kg before July, it's not the end of the world. And when you shared that you were thinking of becoming anorexic last year, that tells me that you're not happy with how you look. Society is often cruel but that doesn't mean that it's something that you have to accept. Who will know the 3 kg just by looking at you as long as you're healthy? You could get to 50 kg in July but if you don't, it shouldn't matter to friends or family as long as you're healthy and happy.



This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 4 2009, 03:13 PM
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Kaerna:
Dizzy spells... are you anemic? Maybe you should increase iron intake?
Losing performance in your jogging... you could be losing muscles. Some more you exercise 2x a day.
How about increasing protein intake and more vege.

Myremi:
If you notive ClarkFann's diet, there is no protein anywhere, except for the 2 eggs whites before workout. shocking.gif
Protein is needed for basic body functions and to repair the body.

I was suggesting to her to add a bit of protein without reducing too much carbs. 1-2 glasses of milk + 1 egg + some tuna/peanut butter in bread is actually not a lot protein. It's about 20-25g. Ngam-ngam to maintain her health. Some more she's a bit anemic. Eat some liver too. Oh yeah, like what you said... lots of vege.

I don't think she needs to lose much weight. BMI is normal. Better to achieve 18-22% body fat.
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she may need to ligt heavier and heavier now to build more muscle with the intention to up her metabolism rate....making the calory deficit higher.......easier to lose weight....
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Dear TS,

To lose weight doesnt mean u got to do extreme exercises and eat like a bird. Wat u need is to look into the factor/source that making those stupid fats grow. Carbohydrate is one of the culprit if u take it excessively, just cut down ur carbo may be like ... 150g and below and as well cut down on ur calories intake ( i mean may be reduce 200cals perweek on ur average cal that u need to take) and as well take ur carbo on the right time, (breakfast, pre-workout and post workout).

For ur meal plan, ur 2nd meal, why dun u take like 2 Table spoon of peanut butter with some oth protein stuff and morning, take milk like iamyuanwu said with ur bread.
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PPL always say eat a balanced diet when u dont wanna be fat or etc..
But what does it really mean by balanced diet? Isnt it easier if there's a list for it..For example :

Breakfast :
2 eggs
1 bread

Lunch :
-
-

Dinner :
-
-

For us normal citizens... we r not dieticians... so i dont really knw what is balanced diet?
Less oily, more vege and water.. Who dont know?
But what's the exact and accurate balanced diet?

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post Apr 4 2009, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 4 2009, 04:00 PM)
Kaerna:
Dizzy spells... are you anemic? Maybe you should increase iron intake?
Losing performance in your jogging... you could be losing muscles. Some more you exercise 2x a day.
How about increasing protein intake and more vege.

Myremi:
If you notive ClarkFann's diet, there is no protein anywhere, except for the 2 eggs whites before workout. shocking.gif
Protein is needed for basic body functions and to repair the body.

I was suggesting to her to add a bit of protein without reducing too much carbs. 1-2 glasses of milk + 1 egg + some tuna/peanut butter in bread is actually not a lot protein. It's about 20-25g. Ngam-ngam to maintain her health. Some more she's a bit anemic. Eat some liver too. Oh yeah, like what you said... lots of vege.

I don't think she needs to lose much weight. BMI is normal. Better to achieve 18-22% body fat.
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my final weight target is 48kg tongue.gif
but will see,when i reach 50 first blush.gif
alrite,im big boned structure body,my shoulder is broad
my hand wrist bone is big too.
my period was juz over,everytime while period juz over the next day my weight will significantly drop 1 kg rclxm9.gif
today i am 51.9,moving towards 50kg icon_rolleyes.gif rclxm9.gif
i wanna reach 48 in this year,and i sure know i can do it,after tht i will tone up my body with doing light weightlifting and some free weights tongue.gif
i eat chicken breast sometimes,coz i know i lack of protein,my diet is unbalanced.
i take milk+2 slices wholemeal bread in the morning,peanut butter spread with bread
lunch is fruits[when im at home]if im going to gym,will take 2 boiled egg for my lunch wink.gif
dinner is oatmeal.

This post has been edited by ClarkFann: Apr 4 2009, 07:11 PM
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post Apr 4 2009, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 4 2009, 04:00 PM)
Kaerna:
Dizzy spells... are you anemic? Maybe you should increase iron intake?
Losing performance in your jogging... you could be losing muscles. Some more you exercise 2x a day.
How about increasing protein intake and more vege.

Myremi:
If you notive ClarkFann's diet, there is no protein anywhere, except for the 2 eggs whites before workout. shocking.gif
Protein is needed for basic body functions and to repair the body.

I was suggesting to her to add a bit of protein without reducing too much carbs. 1-2 glasses of milk + 1 egg + some tuna/peanut butter in bread is actually not a lot protein. It's about 20-25g. Ngam-ngam to maintain her health. Some more she's a bit anemic. Eat some liver too. Oh yeah, like what you said... lots of vege.

I don't think she needs to lose much weight. BMI is normal. Better to achieve 18-22% body fat.
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my final weight target is 48kg tongue.gif
but will see,when i reach 50 first blush.gif
alrite,im big boned structure body,my shoulder is broad
my hand wrist bone is big too.
my period was juz over,everytime while period juz over the next day my weight will significantly drop 1 kg rclxm9.gif
today i am 51.9,moving towards 50kg icon_rolleyes.gif rclxm9.gif
i wanna reach 48 in this year,and i sure know i can do it,after tht i will tone up my body with doing light weightlifting and some free weights tongue.gif
i eat chicken breast sometimes,coz i know i lack of protein,my diet is unbalanced.
i take milk+2 slices wholemeal bread in the morning,peanut butter spread with bread
lunch is fruits[when im at home]if im going to gym,will take 2 boiled egg for my lunch wink.gif
dinner is oatmeal.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 4 2009, 05:03 PM)
Dear TS,

To lose weight doesnt mean u got to do extreme exercises and eat like a bird. Wat u need is to look into the factor/source that making those stupid fats grow. Carbohydrate is one of the culprit if u take it excessively, just cut down ur carbo may be like ... 150g and below and as well cut down on ur calories intake ( i mean may be reduce 200cals perweek on ur average cal that u need to take) and as well take ur carbo on the right time, (breakfast, pre-workout and post workout).

For ur meal plan, ur 2nd meal, why dun u take like 2 Table spoon of peanut butter with some oth protein stuff and morning, take milk like iamyuanwu said with ur bread.
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i always eat like bird since i started to lose weight tongue.gif
it doesnt seems extreme exercises for me[i can handle it and used to it ] flex.gif
i only take 3 slices of wholemeal bread in a day,does it called excessively carbs intake? hmm.gif
well,my whole day calories is a lot lesser than a normal person,my whole day 3 meals = a normal person's 1 meal
yup,i take milk with my wholemeal bread in the morning.That day was an exception,i seldom take milo,coz i ran out my milk vmad.gif
i always spread peanut butter with bread i know i lack of protein,thats why i decided to eat 2 boiled egg in lunch time,before i hit the gym
my dinner is always OATMEAL,i started to hav this diet since last year Sep

This post has been edited by ClarkFann: Apr 4 2009, 07:12 PM
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post Apr 4 2009, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2009, 02:49 PM)
Hmm... I think you're not taking in enough of the proper vegetables. A lot of people don't like eating them so they just boycott them totally. What they don't realize is that vegetables :

-provide the nutrients + trace metals that you need for healthy body movement
-insoluble fiber to help with your bowel movement. Insoluble fiber has no nutrients but it's just to help you shit more easily.
-Eat a mix of green and colourful veggies.

Also, cut down on guava. It has an enzyme that acts the opposite of papaya i.e. it hardens the stool. So try to limit eating it too much. Also, to improve bowel movement, take yogurt or yogurt drink.

Protein diet : well, technically, you're not on a full  protein diet because you're still taking a lot of carbo from what you've written. Atkins is one of the more famous protein diet but even they do not advocate going carbo-less for too long (their stage 1 diet).

Wholemeal bread : Check the ingredients. If you see white flour, it's not 100% wholemeal. And sometimes, has a lot of sugar in. I bake 100% wholemeal bread once, it was dense and heavy and not tasty because I didn't put enough sugar.

Mayo : How much do you use and did you use the lowfat version? Use 1/2 teaspoon next time. It's still fatty.

Milk : Use lowfat milk and check out the sugar/carbo content. Carbo gets converted to sugar inthe body. Any unused sugar is converted to storage fat.

Watermelon : A lot of sugar in this fruit. Read up on the Glycemic Index and you'll find that Watermelon is on the very top.

2 teatimes : I tend to space out my meals to about 3 hrs to the next one.

Portion control : Are you practicing this? Use a 10" plate. I described it in this other thread about it : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436
Note that portion control for normal people is different from athletes but even they watch the food that they eat.

Tau fu fah : SUGAR SYRUP!!! I would avoid.

Chicken Rice : The rice is made yellow from chicken fat.

Beef noodle : The problem with non-poultry meat is that it can contain fat i.e. streaky fat. Best to eat chicken - the fat is easier to remove. Or eat fish more - not only tuna but other types of fish, even local ones are pretty good.

Eating with parents : It's not too bad as long as you don't touch the rich food that has a lot of sugar, coconut milk curries. You can take small portions or wash it in a soup or bowl of hot water.

White rice : Bad bad bad for weight loss. I switch to multigrains to control my weight. And even then, it's only 2 tablespoon full per meal. Nothing more.

Fatigue : Take supplements. Multivitamins + antioxidants + grapeseed + calcium + fish oil. They will improve your body organs, processes and will help with digestion and overall health.

Morning jog : Do it before breakfast. Best time to lose weight is when you don't have food in your stomach. smile.gif Your body will take it from the storage fat.

Dizzy spells : No lunch? Are you also drinking enough water? At least 8 glasses a day or more after your exercise. Also, careful when eating fruits - you could be spiking your blood sugar levels which can make one dizzy, especially when you're controlling your diet. Your body will become more sensitive towards sugar (and even carbo foods) as you reduce sugar + carbo intake. I can't eat a slice of cake without getting a headache.


Added on April 4, 2009, 2:58 pmHmm...I'm not sure about the exercise regime. It sounds like you're pushing your body hard and there's also a question whether you're performing the exercises in good form.

I'll let the others comment on it.


Added on April 4, 2009, 3:01 pmLooks like the mods are combining threads. My answer was to  Kaerna. Not Clarkfann.


Added on April 4, 2009, 3:13 pm

Hmmm... I take a slightly different viewpoint from iamyuan because his diet is focusing a lot on protein, mimicking a high protein diet to force your body to use fat and protein as energy sources. Also, my stand about the bodybuilding community in LYN forums is that they need to take in more veggies and a bit more fruit into their diet else they may have health problems later in life.

There is a lot of benefits to eating vegetables that most ppl just gloss over very quickly. Some veggies are good, some not so good but the key is moderation. Some veggies you can eat as much as you like with  no impact. Some you just can't.

I would also say rethink on eating fruits as a meal. Even though the sugar is fructose, it is still sugar and can lead to problems. Probably cut down on portion and balance it with some carbo, protein AND veggies.

I posted some tips to Kaerna so that should help too. Also, try taking some multivitamins + minerals + grapeseed + etc. Food may not have the amount of nutrition that it may have had during our grandparents days.

I also think that you may need to change how you perceive yourself. If you can't lose the 3 kg before July, it's not the end of the world. And when you shared that you were thinking of becoming anorexic last year, that tells me that you're not happy with how you look. Society is often cruel but that doesn't mean that it's something that you have to accept. Who will know the 3 kg just by looking at you as long as you're healthy? You could get to 50 kg in July but if you don't, it shouldn't matter to friends or family as long as you're healthy and happy.
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its May not July hun tongue.gif

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post Apr 4 2009, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 4 2009, 01:18 PM)
Your BMI is normal for female.
At your weight, I don't think you should be too worried about your weight.
If you want to achieve better shape and tone by May, you should think about body fat % instead.
Body fat of 18-21% for female would be lean and good looking. (22-25% is normal)

First, your diet is a little cacated. There's no protein, and a lot of carb (which makes you fat if you take too much)
And a lot of fibre (which is good)

Here's a suggestion. If you can't follow all, just try to add some protein here and there (milk, eggs, tuna, meat, fish, peanut butter):

Breakfast: Replace Milo with MILK. Milo is nothing but choc flavour + sugar.
Maybe you might want to add some peanut butter (Steffi is sugarless) or tuna or an egg to your wholemeal bread to make it more balanced. Oh, oatmeals+milk in the morning is good too! (not condensed milk)

Recess: Err, peanut butter + 1 slice of wholemeal might be better. Even better --> just replace it with 1 banana + yogurt/vitagen/yakult.
Lunch: Eat something proper lah. Reduce rice, increase vege, fruits, eat eggs, and some meat.

Tea time: Fruits.
Dinner: Oatmeal + milk. Don't add condensed milk lah <-- it's all sugar. Add low fat milk, or skimmed milk or non-fat milk, or 1 egg. A few raisins only, just a few pieces of it? And eat fruits too.

Your workout:
Like Kayden said it: Do HIIT. And increase some intensity.
That means you go very fast 1 minute, then slow down 1 minute. (30 sec fast-30 sec slow, also can). E.g bike. (1)30s you cycle hard, (2) then you cycle slower, or use less resistance for 30s. Repeat this for 10-15 minutes. You can use it for cross trainer also.
It keeps your body in fat burning mode for the whole day, even after you have stopped running. Way more effective than 30 minutes of normal cycling.
rclxms.gif You've got a good pre-workout meal too! Eat 1 full eggs instead of 2 egg yolk.
2 egg whites = 1 full egg(with its yolk). And egg yolk got a lot of vitamins and mineral (really a lot). Please don't waste it. 1-2 egg yolks a day won't make you fat or un-healthy, since you workout very often.

Oh, if you can do some simple exercises at home too. Like star jumps or squats or hula loop. Just star-jump/squat/hula-loop for for 1-2 minutes every few hours to keep your metabolic rate high. =)

BTW, what is your circuit training like?

Here's a few articles on exercising during period:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark109.htm
http://www.bodybuildingtipsguide.com/blog/...enstrual-cycle/
But it's up to you whether you want to exercise or not during period.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 4 2009, 01:48 PM)
Don't follow this suggestion.
Good diet and good exercise is the way to go.
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i didn't see your second post.
BTW, eat the egg yolks. It's got iron which helps with the anemia.
Keep your diet moderate. Lower carb, lower fat, more protein.

Since you're anemic, I don't know if you can tahan the HIIT or not. You should increase the intensity step by step. Don't suddenly go crazy on HIIT... I scared you'll pengsan!
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no worry,i cant do HIIT
coz my work out time is 2pm-5pm
after back from school,i take bus to the fitness centre,coz its very far away from my house
after gym,i back at 6pm-7pm at home sad.gif i wish i could do HIIT too,but i hav to study in the morning,and transport prob isnt allow me to do HIIT,i can only hit the gym on 2pm-5pm unsure.gif

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Huh? What do you mean you can't do HIIT? *Confused*
I mean using HIIT strategy for your crosstraining and stationary bike woh.

BTW, bones are heavy. So if you're big bones, you'd definitely be slightly heavier than other girls. So don't go too crazy on reducing weight. If not... flesh also hilang & jadi aneroxic pula. =P You pandai-pandailah jaga.
Just remember to check body fat % lah. Clark Hatch got machine to check for you.
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Huh? What do you mean you can't do HIIT? *Confused*
I mean using HIIT strategy for your crosstraining and stationary bike woh.

BTW, bones are heavy. So if you're big bones, you'd definitely be slightly heavier than other girls. So don't go too crazy on reducing weight. If not... flesh also hilang & jadi aneroxic pula. =P You pandai-pandailah jaga.
Just remember to check body fat % lah. Clark Hatch got machine to check for you.
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haha,i think i misunderstood whatcha mean juz now,sry tongue.gif
yea,im big bone sad.gif yea..i know CH got machine check for me,when i reach my 50kg will tell my coach help me to check it tongue.gif
this is how my body looks like in 51.9kg
so many stria neh cry.gif bcoz i had lost 17kg doh.gif

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nice club...I've been there couple of times. Decent view, one can basically check out Spore while running.....
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nice club...I've been there couple of times. Decent view, one can basically check out Spore while running.....
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 4 2009, 04:00 PM)
Myremi:
If you notive ClarkFann's diet, there is no protein anywhere, except for the 2 eggs whites before workout. shocking.gif
Protein is needed for basic body functions and to repair the body.

I was suggesting to her to add a bit of protein without reducing too much carbs. 1-2 glasses of milk + 1 egg + some tuna/peanut butter in bread is actually not a lot protein. It's about 20-25g. Ngam-ngam to maintain her health. Some more she's a bit anemic. Eat some liver too. Oh yeah, like what you said... lots of vege.

I don't think she needs to lose much weight. BMI is normal. Better to achieve 18-22% body fat.
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Yeah, I know you're increasing her protein intake but it sounds so bland and boring lah. I can predict what the typical LYN BB diet mantra and imagine some ppl feeling like they are starving. Eggs, tuna, peanut butter. Sounds boring when taking with bread. Be creative. Food is to be enjoyed, to behold.

Come to think about it, maybe that's why I feel strongly about the food that LYN forumers something go when they recommend about protein. Sorry lah. tongue.gif I'm not against the eating of protein. I'm more against the thinking that that's all ppl had to eat, either boiled or straight from the can. That, more than anything else, will cause ppl to lose confidence in diet plans.

Clarkfann : You look good tbh. One thing though, to bear in mind. Since you're only 18, there is strong possibility that you will get even thinner by the time you turn 21. I don't know how to reason it out but somehow, girls who are still 18 will have a different body shape each year until 21. By then, your body shape would have stabilized and at the rate you're going, you should be fine.

Eating chicken is fine compared beef or pork because it doesn't have streaky fat. Fish is a better option. You can use your fist as a guide. Half your fist size is good enough and it wouldn't make you fat. You can go up to a full cup i.e. one complete fist size and it shouldn't be a problem. Note that the fist measurement is for cooked meat, not processed meat.

If you want to continue to eat bread, make it interesting with veggie so that it helps you out. Slices of cucumber and tomato helps and they can help you in the long run.

One thing about vegetables : if you're not including enough of it in your diet, you can run into health problems later on in life, especially colon cancer. Oatmeals is carbo, it's not veggies because grains are carbo. You're young so you don't feel the effect yet but it will come if you don't change it.

Fruits can be bad if you're taking it excessively. But since u're ok with crosstraining and having 3 hr session, then it should be ok. The only thing lacking in fruits is insoluble fiber which you'll need for bowel movements i.e. to make your shit move down to your shit hole. tongue.gif Fruits don't have it as much as vegetables.

Lastly, nice body. smile.gif For your stretch marks, I suggest getting some shea butter lotion. You can easily find them in any pharmacy at reasonable prices. Buy the ones that is for pregnant mothers. The moisturizing effect of shea butter is simply amazing. You can use it in combination with a body scrub but don't use the body scrub everyday - maybe once / twice a weak to help promote new skin growth. Shea butter lotion can be every day.


Added on April 4, 2009, 9:15 pmHmm....Clarkfann, if you want to try to "shock" your body a bit since it's hard to lose to your target weight, another way is to try and go meatless and go vegetarian. But look for a protein source from vegetable e.g. tauhu. Although, egg is also good, just that can get a bit boring everyday.

A week of a vegetarian diet may help. Look up some vegetarian recipes and diet. I think there was one on the PETA site on being a beginner vegetarian. They also have meal makeovers.

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Yeah, I know you're increasing her protein intake but it sounds so bland and boring lah. I can predict what the typical LYN BB diet mantra and imagine some ppl feeling like they are starving. Eggs, tuna, peanut butter. Sounds boring when taking with bread. Be creative. Food is to be enjoyed, to behold.

Come to think about it, maybe that's why I feel strongly about the food that LYN forumers something go when they recommend about protein. Sorry lah. tongue.gif I'm not against the eating of protein. I'm more against the thinking that that's all ppl had to eat, either boiled or straight from the can. That, more than anything else, will cause ppl to lose confidence in diet plans.

Clarkfann : You look good tbh. One thing though, to bear in mind. Since you're only 18, there is strong possibility that you will get even thinner by the time you turn 21. I don't know how to reason it out but somehow, girls who are still 18 will have a different body shape each year until 21. By then, your body shape would have stabilized and at the rate you're going, you should be fine.

Eating chicken is fine compared beef or pork because it doesn't have streaky fat. Fish is a better option. You can use your fist as a guide. Half your fist size is good enough and it wouldn't make you fat. You can go up to a full cup i.e. one complete fist size and it shouldn't be a problem. Note that the fist measurement is for cooked meat, not processed meat.

If you want to continue to eat bread, make it interesting with veggie so that it helps you out. Slices of cucumber and tomato helps and they can help you in the long run.

One thing about vegetables : if you're not including enough of it in your diet, you can run into health problems later on in life, especially colon cancer. Oatmeals is carbo, it's not veggies because grains are carbo. You're young so you don't feel the effect yet but it will come if you don't change it.

Fruits can be bad if you're taking it excessively. But since u're ok with crosstraining and having 3 hr session, then it should be ok. The only thing lacking in fruits is insoluble fiber which you'll need for bowel movements i.e. to make your shit move down to your shit hole. tongue.gif Fruits don't have it as much as vegetables.

Lastly, nice body. smile.gif For your stretch marks, I suggest getting some shea butter lotion. You can easily find them in any pharmacy at reasonable prices. Buy the ones that is for pregnant mothers. The moisturizing effect of shea butter is simply amazing. You can use it in combination with a body scrub but don't use the body scrub everyday - maybe once / twice a weak to help promote new skin growth. Shea butter lotion can be every day.


Added on April 4, 2009, 9:15 pmHmm....Clarkfann, if you want to try to "shock" your body a bit since it's hard to lose to your target weight, another way is to try and go meatless and go vegetarian. But look for a protein source from vegetable e.g. tauhu. Although, egg is also good, just that can get a bit boring everyday.

A week of a vegetarian diet may help. Look up some vegetarian recipes and diet. I think there was one on the PETA site on being a beginner vegetarian. They also have meal makeovers.
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awww,thats lovely
thx for all ur info bout how to diet in a good way tongue.gif and ur compliment also biggrin.gif
i got cocoa butter lotion,soothing oil~ yaya,its the one thats for pregnant mothers.Bought it from pharmacy.
quite expensive man~RM34 a bottle 150ml
but its made in U.S.A xD
i havent start to use it,coz i wanna lose my weight till i get the final 48kg first
then i'll use it,is it too late for my skin? unsure.gif the stretch marks had already there since last year Oct.. sad.gif

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Better to start using the lotion now because it's going to take awhile for the marks to go away anyway. Plus, it's not too late. Pregnant mothers can minimize their stretch marks a lot i.e. it's not so glaringly obvious.

TBH, stretch marks is something I don't worry about so much. Cellulite on thighs are more ugly. The orange peel is baddddddddddddddddddd...

And if I can look like Beyonce, I'd be happy already. wink.gif
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Better to start using the lotion now because it's going to take awhile for the marks to go away anyway. Plus, it's not too late. Pregnant mothers can minimize their stretch marks a lot i.e. it's not so glaringly obvious.

TBH, stretch marks is something I don't worry about so much. Cellulite on thighs are more ugly. The orange peel is baddddddddddddddddddd...

And if I can look like Beyonce, I'd be happy already. wink.gif
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whats mean by TBH?alrite then,i'll use it before i go to sleep nod.gif
i dont like Beyonce's body,i know she's hot
but too plump and fleshy,she's big bone and tall
i like Scarlett Johansson tongue.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2009, 10:07 PM)
Better to start using the lotion now because it's going to take awhile for the marks to go away anyway. Plus, it's not too late. Pregnant mothers can minimize their stretch marks a lot i.e. it's not so glaringly obvious.

TBH, stretch marks is something I don't worry about so much. Cellulite on thighs are more ugly. The orange peel is baddddddddddddddddddd...

And if I can look like Beyonce, I'd be happy already. wink.gif
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I've always said to my friends, "Beyonce looks like an overweight seal" but alright....guess she has her own share of fans.

Anyway, you sure you've only been reading this stuff for a few months? It seems pretty good understanding.
Another thing that I cannot recommend enough, is to stretch. It's one amazing thing to make you feel good and look good. Also it elongates your muscle fibers, to give it a "smooth" look.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 4 2009, 10:24 PM)
I've always said to my friends, "Beyonce looks like an overweight seal" but alright....guess she has her own share of fans.
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Hehe! Actually, look carefully at Beyonce from her early years to now. Yes, your description is correct but men still dig her. Her stature can be known as voluptous which is something hard for females to attain. Anyway, was watching one of her earlier videos years ago. I think it's called "Survivor" and noticed her thighs were big compared to the other ladies. Then watched the video on "Single Ladies - Put a ring on it".

QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 4 2009, 10:24 PM)
Anyway, you sure you've only been reading this stuff for a few months? It seems pretty good understanding.
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Some stuff are recent. Others mostly from over the years. If I've counted all the fad diets and medicine I've done over the past 10 years, you could say that I have given my body a severe beating. Part of it is also mental conditioning from work so I tend to be slightly obsessive about things. Plus, having friends who like challenging ideas and family who are there to reign me in helps. I have a very curious mind. smile.gif

And it's amazing what one can find in women's magazines. Ranges from motivation to positive thinking to losing weight, nutrition and better sex lives. Also dealing with taboo subjects like rape, awareness, etc. Cleo is still a favourite among college boys to find out how girls think, even after all these years. Haha!

QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 4 2009, 10:24 PM)
Another thing that I cannot recommend enough, is to stretch. It's one amazing thing to make you feel good and look good. Also it elongates your muscle fibers, to give it a "smooth" look.
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Yeah, think I have to get back to pilates. Told ya I'm a lazy bum.

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Beyonce looks good in I am sasha fierce video......
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 4 2009, 10:14 PM)
whats mean by TBH?alrite then,i'll use it before i go to sleep nod.gif
i dont like Beyonce's body,i know she's hot
but too plump and fleshy,she's big bone and tall
i like Scarlett Johansson tongue.gif
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TBH = to be honest

Hmm...I think the BBers here can say more about the different body types.

And for ladies, I guess it's a choice on what ppl want. Some folks may not like Scarlett even and want to go for the supermodel look.

But remember, you're 18 and your body may still change in the coming months i.e. your body may become more curvy just from the fact that you're still growing. It usually stops around 21 years old.

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TBH = to be honest

Hmm...I think the BBers here can say more about the different body types.

And for ladies, I guess it's a choice on what ppl want. Some folks may not like Scarlett even and want to go for the supermodel look.

But remember, you're 18 and your body may still change in the coming months i.e. your body may become more curvy just from the fact that you're still growing. It usually stops around 21 years old.
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i see,Oh yeah~so my body MAY become more curvy rclxm9.gif i still hav 3 years to go,im still growing~ laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 4 2009, 07:58 PM)
haha,i think i misunderstood whatcha mean juz now,sry tongue.gif
yea,im big bone sad.gif yea..i know CH got machine check for me,when i reach my 50kg will tell my coach help me to check it tongue.gif
this is how my body looks like in 51.9kg
so many stria neh cry.gif bcoz i had lost 17kg doh.gif
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You can try bio-oil. It can reduce your stretch marks. At least it work for me.
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 5 2009, 12:17 AM)
i see,Oh yeah~so my body MAY become more curvy rclxm9.gif i still hav 3 years to go,im still growing~ laugh.gif
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holy cow you were 69KG and you dropped till that size, with only THAT little stretch marks? Consider yourself lucky.
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holy cow you were 69KG and you dropped till that size, with only THAT little stretch marks? Consider yourself lucky.
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sry,i was 71kg before,at last year May
this is digital scale measurement,normal scale i was 69.5kg
this is my last year photo,can shock u guys brows.gif
the BIG FAT girl beside the tiny girl is me,i know it doesnt looks like a girl laugh.gif



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and this is my current picture wink.gif
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U look good. smile.gif

Well done. smile.gif

I can imagine where your stretch marks are though, since I went down that road of 20kg lost a long time ago. Shoulders, stomach, hips, upper thighs....
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You can try bio-oil. It can reduce your stretch marks. At least it work for me.
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bio-oil?whats it brand?buy it from pharmacy or? unsure.gif


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U look good. smile.gif

Well done. smile.gif

I can imagine where your stretch marks are though, since I went down that road of 20kg lost a long time ago. Shoulders, stomach, hips, upper thighs....
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i look good?r u kidding me? doh.gif laugh.gif
yea,like Pizzaboy said..i lost 17kg,and my stretch marks is juz lilttle,can said im lucky tongue.gif
i started to diet since last year August,and i lost 15kg in few months
last year Sep-Dec,through diet only
this year i only lost 2kg i guess sad.gif

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52 Kilos for 162 is a pretty decent weight for your height bracket. consider yourself fit and healthy, Clark. ANyway keep up the steady diet.
One thing i realize is these days girls love to indulge in their fave food without counting the calories. that sure is fine if youre young with a hi-metabolic rate with a lots of physical activities.
but the down side to this behavior is that in later years, when their metabolic rate decreases, and with less physical activities behind the desk, they cannot stop their indulgences due to habit already (but its not impossible to change), they start packin it at the belly, thighs and creatin love handles and such.
you are great to realize how important it is to have a proper diet since young and making it a habit for yourself!!! keep it up
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QUOTE(beatlesalbum @ Apr 5 2009, 01:20 AM)
52 Kilos for 162 is a pretty decent weight for your height bracket. consider yourself fit and healthy, Clark. ANyway keep up the steady diet.
One thing i realize is these days girls love to indulge in their fave food without counting the calories. that sure is fine if youre young with a hi-metabolic rate with a lots of physical activities.
but the down side to this behavior is that in later years, when their metabolic rate decreases, and with less physical activities behind the desk, they cannot stop their indulgences due to habit already (but its not impossible to change), they start packin it at the belly, thighs and creatin love handles and such.
you are great to realize how important it is to have a proper diet since young and making it a habit for yourself!!! keep it up
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yea,i totally agree with u smile.gif
i dont wanna be obese,so last year i was suddenly buck up decided to lose weight,for health also better figure tongue.gif
since i started to lose weight,i strictly control my diet,im determined and tough,otherwise i wont lost so much weight in juz few months tongue.gif i can endure my appetite,even my family eat KFC in front of me,and entice me to eat fried chicken,but i was juz taken garden salad and ignored them biggrin.gif
my friends asked me:" will u keep diet when u reach ur weight target?" i said "sure..u guys seems i lost weight EASILY,but behind the photo u guys will never know what i've been through,this experience make me realise a healthy diet and active physical activities is very important to us to keep in shape,i'll do regular exercise when i reach my target and still pay attention to my diet,coz i dont wanna become a FAT girl again,NEVER AND EVER]xD
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i look good?r u kidding me? doh.gif  laugh.gif
yea,like Pizzaboy said..i lost 17kg,and my stretch marks is juz lilttle,can said im lucky tongue.gif
i started to diet since last year August,and i lost 15kg in few months
last year Sep-Dec,through diet only
this year i only lost 2kg i guess sad.gif
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Yeah, you look good. smile.gif

One thing about weightloss is that once you get to your target weight, the rate that you lose weight also decreases.

Did you take any measurements? If you find that you're losing cms and not weight, you could be developing muscles.

Don't worry so much lah. Enjoy life. smile.gif
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Yeah, you look good. smile.gif

One thing about weightloss is that once you get to your target weight, the rate that you lose weight also decreases.

Did you take any measurements? If you find that you're losing cms and not weight, you could be developing muscles.

Don't worry so much lah. Enjoy life. smile.gif
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Awww,thx for ur compliment wub.gif
yea,i know these
yea,i take weight measurements only,seldom take my waist's measurement
i remember i used to waist measurement was over 80cm [dangerous measurement,could cause diabetes...heartattack..]
now my waist maybe is 29 inch,on Feb i was 30 inch..
my waistline is broad...coz im big bone sad.gif
i m muscular fat,my arms and my flesh is very muscular,i hav rats on my both arms tongue.gif cause by those weight machine sweat.gif
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how to measure body fat %????
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i dont hav that kinda scale to measure my BF% blush.gif

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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 5 2009, 12:56 AM)
bio-oil?whats it brand?buy it from pharmacy or? unsure.gif
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Yeap, I bought it from Guardian. I forgot how much, the price is below RM50 per bottle.

http://www.bio-oil.com/en/home/
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Yeap, I bought it from Guardian. I forgot how much, the price is below RM50 per bottle.

http://www.bio-oil.com/en/home/
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hi all ...i m female and i wish to lose my weight arounf 10kg in 3 months..is it possible for me??
i start my diet plan on last week..and i just lose 2 kg per week...i know what is my problemm, that is i cant make myself hungry.....
anyway, i exercise 3 times per weekk..dance aerobic..but i eat normal, is just reduce my meal to small portion only...
so, is it possible for me to lose weight by doing this??
can u guys giv me some advices?
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QUOTE(pennee86 @ Apr 5 2009, 06:45 PM)
hi all ...i m female and i wish to lose my weight arounf 10kg in 3 months..is it possible for me??
i start my diet plan on last week..and i just lose 2 kg per week...i know what is my problemm, that is i cant make myself hungry.....
anyway, i exercise 3 times per weekk..dance aerobic..but i eat normal, is just reduce my meal to small portion only...
so, is it possible for me to lose weight by doing this??
can u guys giv me some advices?
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10kg in 3 months is very possible .. You said that you can't make yourself hungry, so split your diet into several small meals to keep yourself full .... Eating too little can actually be counterproductive ( but don't freaking use this as the reason for eating a lot like me ).
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 4 2009, 07:11 PM)
i always eat like bird since i started to lose weight tongue.gif
it doesnt seems extreme exercises for me[i can handle it and used to it  ] flex.gif
i only take 3 slices of wholemeal bread in a day,does it called excessively carbs intake?  hmm.gif 
well,my whole day calories is a lot lesser than a normal person,my whole day 3 meals = a normal person's 1 meal
yup,i take milk with my wholemeal bread in the morning.That day was an exception,i seldom take milo,coz i ran out my milk vmad.gif 
i always spread peanut butter with bread  i know i lack of protein,thats why i decided to eat 2 boiled egg in lunch time,before i hit the gym 
my dinner is always OATMEAL,i started to hav this diet since last year Sep
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hahaha, tat milo is just to obvious sorry bout tat.

yeah i agree on the oatmeal part, those thing boost up quite a good amount of energy. Erm... how about ur post workout? any protein or milk for that?

QUOTE(Felice821 @ Apr 5 2009, 04:58 PM)
how to measure body fat %????
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U can get those caliper.. i think u can get it from ego from the curve if not mistaken. Sometime the machine wasnt that accurate due to water retention.
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oh..hopefully i can do it...
but start from today, i wish to stop my proper dinner by eating some biscuits only...hate it when i see my fat fat tummy.. mad.gif

today din do any exercise, because my wholebody especially my leg was so pain after doing the aerobic for two days..the weird thing is how come when i do on treadmills before starting to dance aerobic, i wont feel pain at all...


so, i just eat a full breakfast, half portion of lunch and some biscuits for dinners is it ok?
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What kind of biscuit ? Most biscuits are a combination of carbs/sugar/fats doh.gif
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Apr 5 2009, 07:09 PM)
What kind of biscuit ? Most biscuits are a combination of carbs/sugar/fats doh.gif
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hmm..Julie biscuit...or tiger biscuit..can?
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 5 2009, 06:57 PM)
hahaha, tat milo is just to obvious sorry bout tat.

yeah i agree on the oatmeal part, those thing boost up quite a good amount of energy. Erm... how about ur post workout? any protein or milk for that?
U can get those caliper.. i think u can get it from ego from the curve if not mistaken. Sometime the machine wasnt that accurate due to water retention.
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i only eat 2 boiled egg white and a slices of wholemeal bread before i start work out doh.gif
but i think my work out session is kinda intensive,10 mins warm up on treadmills,30 mins run on crosstrainer,30 mins cycling,2 set of circuit training,circuit training is the hardest session that i can undergo mega_shok.gif


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QUOTE(pennee86 @ Apr 5 2009, 07:10 PM)
hmm..Julie biscuit...or tiger biscuit..can?
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cant,the contain sugar volume is too high~
u can eat Jacobs wink.gif

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pennee86 : can you list out what you eat? breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks?

And your muscles are in pain because you're using them more than before. Years ago when I took up aerobics, the first week I went everyday and pain like hell but kept at it. Although, I've sinced stop thought.

Just take a hot bath soak, then rub some deep heat into it. Eventually, once the muscle is used to exercising, you'll get stronger.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2009, 08:27 PM)
pennee86 : can you list out what you eat? breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks?

And your muscles are in pain because you're using them more than before. Years ago when I took up aerobics, the first week I went everyday and pain like hell but kept at it. Although, I've sinced stop  thought.

Just take a hot bath soak, then rub some deep heat into it. Eventually, once the muscle is used to exercising, you'll get stronger.
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breakfast: normally 2 slices of tuna bread with milo (3 in 1 light)
lunch: sometime skip...sometime 2 sushi or small portion of mee hoon soup
dinner: maggie mee ..(think to skip or change to crackers)


i dont eat any snack...i drink a lot of water everyday....

ya..hopefully my pain will recover by tml..will continue the aerobics by tml... icon_idea.gif
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well done Clarkfann.....that's good progress..keep it work...perhaps time to tone up or do some yoga/pilateto strenghten core muscle.....
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 5 2009, 09:23 PM)
well done Clarkfann.....that's good progress..keep it work...perhaps time to tone up or do some yoga/pilateto strenghten core muscle.....
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thx for the compliment tongue.gif
my fren said its time to tone up my body,but i said it isnt dry.gif my final weight target is 48kg.I am currently 51.5-52kg sad.gif [i still think im a lil fat unsure.gif ]i dont think its time to tone up
waiting untill i reach my 50kg 1st biggrin.gif on May..then 48kg thumbup.gif

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You see as you build more muscle, your metabolism will increase proportionately....then your daily calory deficit is higher....increasing weight loss.....

and I think you shouldnt rely on the scale too much..48kg and 52kg are just numbers.....trust the mirror.......what matters the most is good health and at the same time look goods.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 5 2009, 09:43 PM)
You see as you build more muscle, your metabolism will increase proportionately....then your daily calory deficit is higher....increasing weight loss.....

and I think you shouldnt rely on the scale too much..48kg and 52kg are just numbers.....trust the mirror.......what matters the most is good health and at the same time look goods.
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yea,i know the most matters is good health and look goods,number isnt that important,my fren said so unsure.gif
but my arms got lotta fats,the both side of my hip also sad.gif
i afraid if i build more muscle,my flesh will turn rigid and then i can never lose my arms and hip's fats already cry.gif
this is my current arms's picture sad.gif



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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 5 2009, 10:10 PM)
yea,i know the most matters is good health and look goods,number isnt that important,my fren said so unsure.gif
but my arms got lotta fats,the both side of my hip also sad.gif
i afraid if i build more muscle,my flesh will turn rigid and then i can never lose my arms and hip's fats already cry.gif
this is my current arms's picture sad.gif
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haha your arms look fine ler...girls have more arm fat at the tricep area than boys for some reason, pretty normal. And NO muscle won't do such thing, dunno where you heard from, muscle will help burn calories and fat on their own.

Real life example: skinny guy vs big muscle man at the same height, who do you think burns more calories/fat and can eat more food everyday? easy answer.

I don't think girls can build muscle easily anyway, I'm a guy and I've been weightlifting trying so hard for the past 4 months but still can't see any visible muscle at all, rofl damn sad

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QUOTE(pennee86 @ Apr 5 2009, 08:54 PM)
breakfast: normally 2 slices of tuna bread with milo (3 in 1 light)
lunch: sometime skip...sometime 2 sushi or small portion of mee hoon soup
dinner: maggie mee ..(think to skip or change to crackers)


i dont eat any snack...i drink a lot of water everyday....

ya..hopefully my pain will recover by tml..will continue the aerobics by tml... icon_idea.gif
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breakfast : drop the milo and take either low fat milk or plain water. 3-in-1 light has white sugar which is refined carbo. Your bread is wholemeal i hope or better yet, sugar free high grain. For tuna, look for Ayam Brand, either the no salt version or the mineral water version. Don't take the oily one or the ones with mayo.
lunch : don't skip but control portion and fat + carbo intake. sushi may be fine but just be careful.
dinner : maggi mee is made out of yellow noodles = high carbo. change to complex carbo and add in some veggies + small amount of protein.

Eat veggies : there are some that will never let you put on weight e.g. green leafy veggies.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436 : I wrote a post about portion control

Aerobics tend to help buiild cardiovascular and not so much toning. Strength training needs to be included - best to ask the guys that.

Actually, what is your weight currently? Because the further you are away from your target weight, the slower the rate of weight loss. And what is your BMI?


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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 5 2009, 10:10 PM)
yea,i know the most matters is good health and look goods,number isnt that important,my fren said so unsure.gif
but my arms got lotta fats,the both side of my hip also sad.gif
i afraid if i build more muscle,my flesh will turn rigid and then i can never lose my arms and hip's fats already cry.gif
this is my current arms's picture sad.gif
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My dear, you're only 18 lah. Of course you still have fat atm. I told you, wait until 21 when you finally stop growing lah.

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QUOTE(fearz @ Apr 5 2009, 10:39 PM)
haha your arms look fine ler...girls have more arm fat at the tricep area than boys for some reason, pretty normal. And NO muscle won't do such thing, dunno where you heard from, muscle will help burn calories and fat on their own.

Real life example: skinny guy vs big muscle man at the same height, who do you think burns more calories/fat and can eat more food everyday? easy answer.

I don't think girls can build muscle easily anyway, I'm a guy and I've been weightlifting trying so hard for the past 4 months but still can't see any visible muscle at all, rofl damn sad
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har...its not fine for me ..my arms are fat cry.gif i know.
im an exception,i easy to gain muscle..i got much more androgen than normal female
i can do juz a lil light weight lifting and then back from gym,my arms will got BIG MUSCLE already rclxub.gif too bad.. sad.gif


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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2009, 10:47 PM)
breakfast : drop the milo and take either low fat milk or plain water. 3-in-1 light has white sugar which is refined carbo. Your bread is wholemeal i hope or better yet, sugar free high grain.  For tuna, look for Ayam Brand, either the no salt version or the mineral water version. Don't take the oily one or the ones with mayo.
lunch : don't skip but control portion and fat + carbo intake. sushi may be fine but just be careful.
dinner : maggi mee is made out of yellow noodles = high carbo. change to complex carbo and add in some veggies + small amount of protein.

Eat veggies : there are some that will never let you put on weight  e.g. green leafy veggies.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436 : I wrote a post about portion control

Aerobics tend to help buiild cardiovascular and not so much toning. Strength training needs to be included - best to ask the guys that.

Actually, what is your weight currently? Because the further you are away from your target weight, the slower the rate of weight loss. And what is your BMI?


Added on April 5, 2009, 10:51 pm

My dear, you're only 18 lah. Of course you still have fat atm. I told you, wait until 21 when you finally stop growing lah.
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haha,but i dont wanna wait u know,i wanna to achive and fulfil my whole figure transformation in this year doh.gif


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Drinking skimmed/low fat milk vs Full cream milk, how much differences is there?

I totally hate HL due to the very unnatural sweetening taste.
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 5 2009, 11:27 PM)
Drinking skimmed/low fat milk vs Full cream milk, how much differences is there?

I totally hate HL due to the very unnatural sweetening taste.
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A lot. Just compare the labels for fat and carbo + sugar content. Those are the main sources of fat in milk.

All low-fat milk have some sweetener in them. True low-fat milk tastes horrible without the sweetener.

HL tastes unnatural because they added in vanilla flavouring.

The other option is switching to soy milk. Just look for unsweetened ones.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2009, 11:58 PM)
A lot. Just compare the labels for fat and carbo + sugar content. Those are the main sources of fat in milk.

All low-fat milk have some sweetener in them. True low-fat milk tastes horrible without the sweetener.

HL tastes unnatural because they added in vanilla flavouring.

The other option is switching to soy milk. Just look for unsweetened ones.
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sugar in milk? o.O
I thought fresh milk shouldn't have any sugar in it.


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fullcream no but once u take out the fat to make low-fat milk, it doesn't taste as good.
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your body look OK already, but yeah can be better.
why you obsessed with numbers on weight scale? ppl wont know much you weight btw, if you look good enough you will break their necks when you walk by


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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2009, 10:47 PM)
breakfast : drop the milo and take either low fat milk or plain water. 3-in-1 light has white sugar which is refined carbo. Your bread is wholemeal i hope or better yet, sugar free high grain.  For tuna, look for Ayam Brand, either the no salt version or the mineral water version. Don't take the oily one or the ones with mayo.
lunch : don't skip but control portion and fat + carbo intake. sushi may be fine but just be careful.
dinner : maggi mee is made out of yellow noodles = high carbo. change to complex carbo and add in some veggies + small amount of protein.

Eat veggies : there are some that will never let you put on weight  e.g. green leafy veggies.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436 : I wrote a post about portion control

Aerobics tend to help buiild cardiovascular and not so much toning. Strength training needs to be included - best to ask the guys that.

Actually, what is your weight currently? Because the further you are away from your target weight, the slower the rate of weight loss. And what is your BMI?


Added on April 5, 2009, 10:51 pm

My dear, you're only 18 lah. Of course you still have fat atm. I told you, wait until 21 when you finally stop growing lah.
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ya..i will do strength traningg after the aerobics..

hmm..okok..i will follow this...my current waight is 58kg and i m just 158 cm...so, my BMI is 23 right?i hope to drop my weight untill 48kg in three months...is it ok?

anyway, may i know that complex carbo is like what?for example???

Thanks!
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She is young. Younger folks have higher goals than older ones.

Older ones are good at comforting themselves. Younger ones more driven lah.


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QUOTE(pennee86 @ Apr 6 2009, 08:24 AM)
ya..i will do strength traningg after the aerobics..

hmm..okok..i will follow this...my current waight is 58kg and i m just 158 cm...so,  my BMI is 23 right?i hope to drop my weight untill 48kg in three months...is it ok?

anyway, may i know that complex carbo is like what?for example???

Thanks!
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Hmmm.... it's not really necessary to drop all the way down to the lower end of the Normal BMI range.

http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/GallagherBodyfat.php

use the link above. Was given by another poster. 18 - 25 is the normal BMI range.

Hmm... are you sure that it's losing fat or just toning up muscles so that your body looks slimmer and fitter and less flabby? A lot of ladies out there think that they are fat but they are in the normal BMI range (although using the BMI is for an estimate or agak-agak to gauge whether you're on the right track or not) but it's not to set a specifc target. As long as you reach the range, that's fine.

Now, about toning. Toning is about making your muscles tighter and sleeker instead of the flabbiness. Toning is done through cardio as well strength training and flexibility training (stretching, pilates, yoga).

You might find that you're losing weight but if you're losing inches around your body, that's fine. Plus, if you're planning to drop 10 kg to 48 kg, you might be scrawny.

Hmm...why do you want to lose 10 kg though? And what areas aren't you satisfied with? Be specific - the BBers are better than me when it comes to focusing on problem areas of the body and muscle.


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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Apr 5 2009, 04:58 PM)
how to measure body fat %????
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Hi Felice,

How goes the tummy reduction project? smile.gif

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[quote=myremi,Apr 6 2009, 08:25 AM]
She is young. Younger folks have higher goals than older ones.

Older ones are good at comforting themselves. Younger ones more driven lah.


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Hmmm.... it's not really necessary to drop all the way down to the lower end of the Normal BMI range.

http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/GallagherBodyfat.php

use the link above. Was given by another poster. 18 - 25 is the normal BMI range.

Hmm... are you sure that it's losing fat or just toning up muscles so that your body looks slimmer and fitter and less flabby? A lot of ladies out there think that they are fat but they are in the normal BMI range (although using the BMI is for an estimate or agak-agak to gauge whether you're on the right track or not) but it's not to set a specifc target. As long as you reach the range, that's fine.

Now, about toning. Toning is about making your muscles tighter and sleeker instead of the flabbiness. Toning is done through cardio as well strength training and flexibility training (stretching, pilates, yoga).

You might find that you're losing weight but if you're losing inches around your body, that's fine. Plus, if you're planning to drop 10 kg to 48 kg, you might be scrawny.

Hmm...why do you want to lose 10 kg though? And what areas aren't you satisfied with? Be specific - the BBers are better than me when it comes to focusing on problem areas of the body and muscle.


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i look fat actually especially my tummy...my thigh is consider okok...
i hope my tummy will flat...and good in body shape....
48 kg is not my normal weight?i thaught i overweight already by having 58 kg with 158 cm height...
eeee...i dont want to be scrawny...i just hope i m good in body shape, healthy.. and dont look like skinny....
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QUOTE(Miko_Chan @ Apr 4 2009, 06:19 PM)
PPL always say eat a balanced diet when u dont wanna be fat or etc..
But what does it really mean by balanced diet? Isnt it easier if there's a list for it..For example :

Breakfast :
2 eggs
1 bread

Lunch :
-
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Dinner :
-
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For us normal citizens... we r not dieticians... so i dont really knw what is balanced diet?
Less oily, more vege and water.. Who dont know?
But what's the exact and accurate balanced diet?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436

This is the US recommendation for balanced diet.

The UK way has too many slices on the plate that hard to remember. The US one easier.


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QUOTE(pennee86 @ Apr 6 2009, 08:48 AM)


Added on April 6, 2009, 8:37 am
i look fat actually especially my tummy...my thigh is consider okok...
i hope my tummy will flat...and good in body shape....
48 kg is not my normal weight?i thaught i overweight already by having 58 kg with 158 cm height...
eeee...i dont want to be scrawny...i just hope i m good in body shape, healthy.. and dont look like skinny....
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=24637801

The above is a long post about trimming the stomach. There probably are more abdominal exercises around.

48kg is on the lower range of the BMI for normal. You go lower and doctors may start thinking you're anorexic (if what I read on wikipaedia is correct).

Look at strength training for toning, not body building.

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I tried some interval training, it's killing me... lol i cant even complete 6 rounds of 20 sec work 15 sec interval.. How do i made it easier?

BTW, what does BBer means?

Diet wise it's difficult as i live with my parents i have to eat what they cook. I like brown rice actually but my sister and father would be complaining if we ever switch. Lol
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Any new sort of training takes time for muscles to adjust. But do it often enough, and you'll find that you can do it. Just be careful to know when the pain gets too much that you have to stop else you pull a muscle.

BBer = BodyBuild-er

Cook your own brown rice and keep in the fridge. I cook a cup every 3-4 days and scoop out 2 tablespoon of rice for meals. And I live with a Grandmother for the past 10 years and I'm 31. You think you have it tough, try eating with a Granny who gets very upset if I don't eat at the table.
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Sky,Live - I tweaked my parents eating behavious as much possible......Older folks need more time and patience...need to explain to them on WHY? How it work?

Now we are all eating ecobrown rish and organic rice at minimal quantity...More vege....must have soup......and some meat (preferably try to stay away from fried one)

I converted the white bread to wholemeal bread for them on permanent basis........

It works but just need more patience....
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Thx for myremi for your comments about my diet. Really appreciate your help and effort. I am aware I am taking some 'fattening' stuff in my diet, but I'm still a food lover and I'm not really in a rush to lose weight. My current progress of 2kg a month looks fine for me, and I got like another 10kg to go, I'm giving myself another like 6 months to go down. I'm more of a believer of the 'eat wateva u want, as long calorie does not exceed RMR' school of taught.


i) I solve my hard solid waste issue by replacing guavas with papayas. Turns out the papayas really help a lot for your toilet business.


ii) I'm currently increasing protein intake in hope to solve my decrease in my jogging performance, still starting so can't tell yet

iii) Faint spells, definetely not anemic, but I have a history of highblood pressure. Getting lesser these days, but still occuring.

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Errr..what is your weight, height and age atm?

History of high BP is usually a bad sign. How high is high and have you seen a cardiologist about it?

I think I need to be careful when I say certain things. I always have this tendency to assume that ppl who ask about weight loss are overweight people and instead, find out later that they are ok and it's just that they have a negative outlook about their figures.

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your body look OK already, but yeah can be better.
why you obsessed with numbers on weight scale? ppl wont know much you weight btw, if you look good enough you will break their necks when you walk by
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[quote=myremi,Apr 6 2009, 08:25 AM]
She is young. Younger folks have higher goals than older ones.

Older ones are good at comforting themselves. Younger ones more driven lah.


r u talking bout me myremi?yea,im still young tongue.gif
i totally agree with u that u said younger folks hav higher goals than older ones,olnes are good at comforting themselves! nod.gif LOL thumbup.gif
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I am so sad lol, i got low goals at young age =(
I still maintaining my existing diet everyday, dunno where to start from at all.
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myremi sounds like me 3 years ago.. yanno, before I got tired of dieting and stopped giving advices biggrin.gif

you must be reading a lot. keep up the good work. we need some estrogeny luvin support in here
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dah patah tumbuh lagi....must keep up the positive spirit in sharing thoughs there are some lurking trolls around waiting to strike....

Syd G - you must keep sharing your experience with us......
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 6 2009, 10:07 PM)
myremi sounds like me 3 years ago.. yanno, before I got tired of dieting and stopped giving advices biggrin.gif

you must be reading a lot. keep up the good work. we need some estrogeny luvin support in here
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I am so sad lol, i got low goals at young age =(
I still maintaining my existing diet everyday, dunno where to start from at all.
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hey,dont say that..everyppl hav diferrent target mah..
diet stuff u can consult myremi,she's pro
like a dietician tongue.gif
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hardcore exercises today
did all of those weight machines[except free weights]
circuit training once,30 mins crosstrainer,30mins bike
before that,got EFFEY lesson with my coach too
do lunges,sit up...etc.... laugh.gif
so im kinda exhausted now yawn.gif
my tummy is damn flat today~ BUT..my weight is 52.1!!!!!!!coz i didnt poo today..eat too less..slow down my metabolic rate already...shit.. vmad.gif
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I think i am doing the wrong exercise with my abs, i have not felt anything with my abs lately. I am changing sit-ups to crunches. I tried the beginner version of burpee and it is very effective too.'

Have no gym membership have to do everything in the house, hehe wait after my hectic assignment period i will go enroll for swimming lesson.

Doing HIIT really save ur time, only took 30mins before you go flat.
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ClarkFann. Lemme guess

1) you have a digital scale
2) you weigh urself more than 5x/day
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Sky,Live - I tweaked my parents eating behavious as much possible......Older folks need more time and patience...need to explain to them on WHY? How it work?

Now we are all eating ecobrown rish and organic rice at minimal quantity...More vege....must have soup......and some meat (preferably try to stay away from fried one)

I converted the white bread to wholemeal bread for them on permanent basis........

It works but just need more patience....
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Errr...to be honest, my parents started first before me. It started with my Mum's heart due to high cholesterol that weaken her heart. Then my Dad was diagnosed with mild hypertension and then had to have a bypass. They went saltless first and cooking at home and watching what they eat. So when I got it, they had relax a bit and I'm now more strict. Hahaha!


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r u talking bout me myremi?yea,im still young tongue.gif
i totally agree with u that u said younger folks hav higher goals than older ones,olnes are good at comforting themselves! nod.gif LOL thumbup.gif
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LOL! Actually, it's harder to lose weight when one is older. It doesn't go down that fast as when we were your age. Metabolism slows down. So we "comfort" ourselves. laugh.gif


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myremi sounds like me 3 years ago.. yanno, before I got tired of dieting and stopped giving advices biggrin.gif

you must be reading a lot. keep up the good work. we need some estrogeny luvin support in here
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Thanks. Although I will kinda stop after 2 years. Maybe. Everything I've done is like 2 years, then something else distracts me. Food blogging for 2 years (1st in Malaysia but never maintained after those 2 years). Then 2 years gaming. Then another year online gaming. Then another 3 years intensive online gaming. Then got hit by health problem so got into health.

So see what happens in 2 years lah... maybe no more active here. Kek!


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hey,dont say that..everyppl hav diferrent target mah..
diet stuff u can consult myremi,she's pro
like a dietician tongue.gif
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ClarkFann. Lemme guess

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but i only weight myself 3 times a day tongue.gif
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this is me , a boy anyway

2005-15 years old (120kg), 2007-17 years old (75kg), 2009-years old (82kg). damn im fat again how to lose more weight ah? i prefer to eat 2 times a day, can recommend me any? somemore i still look DAMN FLABBY because of that 120kg body of mine years ago and with less weight lifting (3 times a week for the past 3 months) it isnt helping much either ==,==
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 6 2009, 10:53 PM)
ClarkFann. Lemme guess

1) you have a digital scale
2) you weigh urself more than 5x/day
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Talk about a sharp bite. Heh!

ClarkFann : Weigh yourself in the morning before eating and naked. It's more motivating that way. After makan, so depressing. Just careful when u go too low of the normal BMI range. Maybe too bony. And below 18 BMI, doctors use that as an indication that a person is anorexic.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 6 2009, 10:57 PM)
Errr...to be honest, my parents started first before me. It started with my Mum's heart due to high cholesterol that weaken her heart. Then my Dad was diagnosed with mild hypertension and then had to have a bypass. They went saltless first and cooking at home and watching what they eat. So when I got it, they had relax a bit and I'm now more strict. Hahaha!


Added on April 6, 2009, 11:00 pm

LOL! Actually, it's harder to lose weight when one is older. It doesn't go down that fast as when we were your age. Metabolism slows down. So we "comfort" ourselves.  laugh.gif


Added on April 6, 2009, 11:02 pm

Thanks. Although I will kinda stop after 2 years. Maybe. Everything I've done is like 2 years, then something else distracts me. Food blogging for 2 years (1st in Malaysia but never maintained after those 2 years). Then 2 years gaming. Then another year online gaming. Then another 3 years intensive online gaming. Then got hit by health problem so got into health.

So see what happens in 2 years lah... maybe no more active here. Kek!


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Errr, no lah. Only success story was me so far. Cannot claim to be pro. tongue.gif
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success story?i hav time to hear about it brows.gif
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I think myremi got waked up by things happened around her from what i read around.

I guess my metabolism rate is high, but my input is even higher LOL
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 6 2009, 11:07 PM)
this is me , a boy anyway

2005-15 years old (120kg), 2007-17 years old (75kg), 2009-years old (82kg). damn im fat again how to lose more weight ah? i prefer to eat 2 times a day, can recommend me any? somemore i still look DAMN FLABBY because of that 120kg body of mine years ago and with less weight lifting (3 times a week for the past 3 months) it isnt helping much either ==,==
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 6 2009, 11:11 PM)
I think myremi got waked up by things happened around her from what i read around.

I guess my metabolism rate is high, but my input is even higher LOL
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i have quite of messy way of eating since i first got into uni life. but nevertheless here it is :

10am : meehun(what u call it?)+hot dog
1pm:hotdog (2 or 3 pieces)
8pm:4 slices of bread, sometime more =,=!

sometime i skipped that 1pm hot dog but i eat mee again at 8pm replacing that 4 slices of bread.


Added on April 6, 2009, 11:23 pmand not to forget keropok once in a while at 9pm while doing some assignment.

haiz....very bad habit i have =,=. but seriously im starting new tomorrow that's y i bump in to this thread

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i wonder how you look like now. only remember your "Before" pictures laugh.gif
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I'm heavier than my before pic. But looks totally different.

Weight lifting ftw wink.gif
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 6 2009, 11:22 PM)
i have quite of messy way of eating since i first got into uni life. but nevertheless here it is :

10am : meehun(what u call it?)+hot dog
1pm:hotdog (2 or 3 pieces)
8pm:4 slices of bread, sometime more =,=!

sometime i skipped that 1pm hot dog but i eat mee again at 8pm replacing that 4 slices of bread.


Added on April 6, 2009, 11:23 pmand not to forget keropok once in a while at 9pm while doing some assignment.

haiz....very bad habit i have =,=. but seriously im starting new tomorrow that's y i bump in to this thread
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Hmmm....

Meehun : Made from white rice. Not good. Better to eat tanghoon (the glass noodles - think they're made from green bean or something). Also, fried is bad. Portion should be 1/4 of a plate.
Hot Dog : The sausage only or with the bun? Sausage meat is usually the unwanted cuts which is fatty or the offal bit (internal organs). The bun is made from white flour which is simple carbo which can be converted into sugar for energy and later fat if it's not used up.
Bread : White is bad. Go wholemeal.
Mee : wheat flour that is processed. Bad carbo.

Hmmm...what's your budget like for eating? Trying something new to see if can give advice with budget limitations.
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budget limitations? i dun mind as long as the foods are easily available for me as a uni student. it's either something common at foodcourt (highly preferred), or something i have to go out buy at big shoping complex in big quantity so that it last for a week ( i also dun mind this).
is that what u meant?
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I think myremi got waked up by things happened around her from what i read around.

I guess my metabolism rate is high, but my input is even higher LOL
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my input is very very low,but metabolism is normal,sometimes low sad.gif bcoz i eat too less cry.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 6 2009, 11:26 PM)
I'm heavier than my before pic. But looks totally different.

Weight lifting ftw wink.gif
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can i see?? sad.gif
u saw me in flowery towel edi... blush.gif


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Dude (directed toward Camel90),

make your own food. In the morning or the night before.
I make my own sandwiches and bring them to lectures for lunch last time.
Bread, tuna, peanut butter, tomato or cucumber, butter, cheese, milk.
Morning 1 piece. Lunch = 2 sets. Full like crazy.
Then dinner eat out... I cincai eat.

At least 2 of my meals are proper and nice.
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Sorry myremi, was referring to Camel90.
What lah, these people all. Be a bit resource mah. Sudah masuk uni pun tak tau jaga sendiri.

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Dude, make your own food. In the morning or the night before.
I make my own sandwiches and bring them to lectures for lunch last time.
Bread, tuna, peanut butter, tomato or cucumber, butter, cheese, milk.
Morning 1 piece. Lunch = 2 sets. Full like crazy.
Then dinner eat out... I cincai eat.

At least 2 meals are proper and nice.
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Sandwiches is a good way of doing it if you aren't tired of eating bread.

You can toast the sandwiches but after the filling and you eat at lunch, the bread maybe soggy a bit.

Or get one of those toasty bread things - no need to put butter on the outside. Just toast it. To clean, just wipe with clean cloth + soap and then wipe again just with water until all soap gone.

Tuna is an option but you can also use sardine or mackerel. Just don't put the tomato sauce that comes with it.

Peanut butter ok lah but can get boring.

Cooking an egg is an option. Omelette. Scrambled. Or hardboil it and mashed it all up.

Cheese is fun. Can even put mozzarrella on toasted bread and watch it melt. Very nice. Or use the toastmaker thingie to seal the cheese in the bread. Yum. smile.gif

Veggies : tomato and cucumber are most common. You can add in lettuce (different types out there). Slice them round or chop them into small bits (nice with cucumber bits mixed with tuna) or strips. If you can tahan raw onion, can also put in a few rings.

If eating out, try to get a bowl of soup to rinse out the oil from stuff. May be slightly tasteless but less fat. Cut down rice and noodles - small quantities of say half bowl? Or less. Eat more veggies (potato is not a veggie tongue.gif and watch corn intake) preferably leafy one.

Afternoon snack : fruits

Hmm...note that the first few days, you're gong to feel hungry and maybe some sugar withdrawals. That's normal when you reduce carbo a lot.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 6 2009, 11:48 PM)
Dude (directed toward Camel90),

make your own food. In the morning or the night before.
I make my own sandwiches and bring them to lectures for lunch last time.
Bread, tuna, peanut butter, tomato or cucumber, butter, cheese, milk.
Morning 1 piece. Lunch = 2 sets. Full like crazy.
Then dinner eat out... I cincai eat.

At least 2 of my meals are proper and nice.
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Sorry myremi, was referring to Camel90.
What lah, these people all. Be a bit resource mah. Sudah masuk uni pun tak tau jaga sendiri.
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and most of them are students laugh.gif

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Bata,

Sad lah. I was a student too also mah.
How hard is it to sapu butter, tuna and put a few pieces of cucumber onto a bread?! My goodness...

I could prepare my breakfast in 5 minutes flat. Just in time to rush to class while still chewing my breakfast as the lecturer talked. X^D
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 7 2009, 01:33 AM)
Bata,

Sad lah. I was a student too also mah.
How hard is it to sapu butter, tuna and put a few pieces of cucumber onto a bread?! My goodness...

I could prepare my breakfast in 5 minutes flat. Just in time to rush to class while still chewing my breakfast as the lecturer talked. X^D
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now im selling supplements so i kinda know how things are. most of them want magic pills, whether to gain weight or lose fat.
you will see statements as this.

weight gainer case :
"bang ada tak barang boleh tambah berat, tk payah wokrout, tambah berat je, muscle tak nak" blush.gif

fat burner case :
"i didnt workout la, but everyday climb staircase woo.....this one ok la right?" blush.gif

first u need the WILLPOWER...with this u can achieve anything

ps: sorry la OT....pizzaboy will probably kill me rclxub.gif

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Tambah berat muscle tak nak? These people got study sains in secondary school or not one?

Dayummm, nasib baik they didn't come simply post in LYN. If not, Pizzaboy's gonna have a field day deleting these thread and flaming them at the same time.

Woahahahahah!
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you will be surprised on how many ppl dont have the willpower to prepare it such as you.
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 7 2009, 07:03 PM)
i hav the willpower tongue.gif
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just scroll through this thread. gal, your will power is amazing!


I am trying to lose weight too.
I prefer to do more exercise to increase metabolism, diet remains the same.

Wish to hit 70kg before my birthday (7th May).
Currently I am 73kg, 173cm.

4 more weeks to go ! rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 7 2009, 09:28 PM)
just scroll through this thread. gal, your will power is amazing!
I am trying to lose weight too.
I prefer to do more exercise to increase metabolism, diet remains the same.

Wish to hit 70kg before my birthday (7th May).
Currently I am 73kg, 173cm.

4 more weeks to go ! rclxm9.gif
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I can only think of starving. >.<

Not a good advice for healthy weight loss but to lose the 3 kg in a short time, nothing but starving sadly. sad.gif

What's with people today with stiff goals and targets?
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thanx guys. will do that.

but for today i took 'bubur nasi'+wedges at 10am and some yong taufu at 8.30pm. i know it wasnt healthy but these 2 foods i could only imagine in this short time before i read this just now. tomorrow going to hypermarket to buy those after class.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 09:34 PM)
I can only think of starving. >.<

Not a good advice for healthy weight loss but to lose the 3 kg in a short time, nothing but starving sadly. sad.gif

What's with people today with stiff goals and targets?
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Well, my record was 3kg per month. That's only with 3 exercise session per week + roughly 1600Kcal intake per day
This round, I am going to stick back to my normal intake (~2000Kcal per day) + 5 exercise sessions per week.

So, what is your advice? What is the healthy weight to lose?
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myremi: What is the calory value and nutritrient value in cheese as you mentioned it as part of the diet?

have you search on jagung story?
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 7 2009, 09:47 PM)
thanx guys. will do that.

but for today i took 'bubur nasi'+wedges at 10am and some yong taufu at 8.30pm. i know it wasnt healthy but these 2 foods i could only imagine in this short time before i read this just now. tomorrow going to hypermarket to buy those after class.
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Well, my record was 3kg per month. That's only with 3 exercise session per week + roughly 1600Kcal intake per day
This round, I am going to stick back to my normal intake (~2000Kcal per day) + 5 exercise sessions per week.

So, what is your advice? What is the healthy weight to lose?
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Usually healthy weight loss is 0.5 - 1.0 kg per week if you're not building muscles seriously like a body builder. But it may be tough for you because you're already in your normal range . And I dunno if 2000 kcal a day will help you lose weight compared to 1600 kcal. Check with calculators online based on your exercise regime + kcal food intake.

I used the word "starving" in jest but thinking about it, it's probably reduction of food intake or taking another relook at your diet to cut out processed food.

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Added on April 7, 2009, 10:33 pm

Usually healthy weight loss is 0.5 - 1.0 kg per week if you're not building muscles seriously like a body builder. And I dunno if 2000 kcal a day will help you lose weight compared to 1600 kcal. Check with calculators online based on your exercise regime + kcal food intake.
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2000Kcal is my estimated metabolism @ 70kg per day without exercise.

My exercise is about 600Kcal per session in average, but 2 out of 5 sessions are 50% aerobic 50% anaerobic. That anaerobic part is hard to estimate though, hahaha.

It seems that 5 sessions x 600Kcal per session doesn't seem enough. I need to exercise like hell everyday, 700Kcal per day flex.gif laugh.gif

If 1.0kg per week is normal, then I'll go for it. By 7th May, 70kg!! brows.gif


Thanks myremi !
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myremi: What is the calory value and nutritrient value in cheese as you mentioned it as part of the diet?

have you search on jagung story?
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Hmm....a good question. Usually, if you compare the different types of cheeses, mozarrrella would be less than cheddar cheese. Usually that is. Mozzarrella is a cheese that falls under the category of natural cheese wherease cheddar is processed. Cottage cheese, parmesan, riccotta and feta cheese fell under the same category for natural cheeses. Cream cheese, I can't remember, probably processed. I think I found it somewhere on a low-sodium website or a recipe makeover (I like these kind of sites as it's a nice alternative). Mozarrella is also a fun cheese because it's so stretchy. smile.gif

Although, there are some sites that an even better alternative is yogurt cheese which you can make at home easily from yogurt. Pour the yogurt into a sieve lined with cheesecloth (or the traditional kain lampin for babies) or coffeemaker filter paper. Put the sieve over a bowl to catch the whey and both them both into the fridge. The liquid whey will drop into the bowl and yes, this is the same whey protein that BBers are taking. Drain until it's to the consistency that you want. As for the whey, you can use it in your protein shakes. The yogurt cheese can also be used to replaced sour cream. According to Easiyo recipe book (and I think they probably have it at their website), drain times are :

-2 hrs for mayo or sour cream replacement
-4-5 hrs for dips
-8-10 hrs for yogurt cheese

Dunno whether it's very sour though. But you'll get a good cheese with probiotics in it. smile.gif

As for the jagung, unfortunately that list of veggies is in my Dad's diabetic cookbook. sad.gif But in another one ("Healthy for Life" by Dr Ray Strand), I found a list of carbo listed as most, moderate and less desirable and sweet corn was under moderately desirable.

Googling on sweet corn wasn't easy because a lot of the hits were on the corn syrup used as a sweetener in food and how it was making people fat. But I suppose taking the reasonings about the corn syrup sites, we could apply it to the harmless looking sweet corn. Apparently, the sugar in corn is not glucose but fructose. And apparently, there is a nasty side to fructose. Only the liver can break down fructose whereas the glucose can be metabolised by any cell in the body. At this point, my mind broke down and I needed a break. smile.gif


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2000Kcal is my estimated metabolism @ 70kg per day without exercise.

My exercise is about 600Kcal per session in average, but 2 out of 5 sessions are 50% aerobic 50% anaerobic. That anaerobic part is hard to estimate though, hahaha.

It seems that 5 sessions x 600Kcal per session doesn't seem enough. I need to exercise like hell everyday, 700Kcal per day flex.gif laugh.gif

If 1.0kg per week is normal, then I'll go for it. By 7th May, 70kg!!  brows.gif
Thanks myremi !
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No prob. If you can squeeze some time doing housework or cooking, you could increase the amount of calorie you burnt too.

And boil food or eat them raw. brows.gif brows.gif

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just scroll through this thread. gal, your will power is amazing!
I am trying to lose weight too.
I prefer to do more exercise to increase metabolism, diet remains the same.

Wish to hit 70kg before my birthday (7th May).
Currently I am 73kg, 173cm.

4 more weeks to go ! rclxm9.gif
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awww,thx for ur compliment wub.gif
wow,i admire ppl can remains the same diet but do exercise to lose weight
coz its very SLOW,if through exercise to slim down.
But im starving myself,since i started to diet,i always stomachache sad.gif
this is unhealthy,but this is the fastest way to slim down in few months
i aint recommending u to use my method,exercise is much better and healthier way to lose weight,good luck for u icon_rolleyes.gif wink.gif

im still losing weight too,wanna reach 50kg target on May 8th[my bday] tongue.gif
but before i reach 50,i think i'll get in the hospital 1st shakehead.gif im low dia,low blood pressure,anemic
and im still eat like a refugee,daily meals always the same WHOLEMEAL BREAD and OATMEAL+fruits[where's calcium,mineral,protein,vitamins?]
im totally malnutrition,hard to eat back like a normal person,bcoz i scare my weight will RISE becoz of that ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 11:05 PM)
No prob. If you can squeeze some time doing housework or cooking, you could increase the amount of calorie you burnt too.
And boil food or eat them raw.  brows.gif  brows.gif
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me no stove at home la. can only eat raw, hahaha.
Hmm.... perhaps i ride my bike super duper fast and further distance, so I can burn more fats than normal (I think burn a lot more petrol) laugh.gif


QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 7 2009, 11:17 PM)
awww,thx for ur compliment wub.gif
wow,i admire ppl can remains the same diet but do exercise to lose weight
coz its very SLOW,if through exercise to slim down.
But im starving myself,since i started to diet,i always stomachache
this is unhealthy,but this is the fastest way to slim down in few months
i aint recommending u to use my method,exercise is much better and healthier way to lose weight,good luck for u

im still losing weight too,wanna reach 50kg target on May 8th[my bday]
but before i reach 50,i think i'll get in the hospital 1st shakehead.gif im low dia,low blood pressure,anemic
and im still eat like a refugee,daily meals always the same WHOLEMEAL BREAD and OATMEAL+fruits[where's calcium,mineral,protein,vitamins?]
im totally malnutrition,hard to eat back like a normal person,bcoz i scare my weight will RISE becoz of that ph34r.gif
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I think 53kg is good for your height already. Now try to maintain your weight, by losing fats and building muscles.
I was once slimming down myself by controlling diet, but I feel painful (Taurus suka makan punya).
Somemore my metabolism decreased a lot after 3 months of diet. I gave up dieting already, slowly increase my calorie intake to increase metabolism.

I read from an article that, daily intake less than 1200Kcal for gal and 1500Kcal for guy will decrease metabolism. If a person eat like that for months, and later eat back the normal calorie intake, sure will get fat a lot faster than last time. Me wacko.gif after knewing...

Luckily I am able to make myself exercise more these days.

oh btw, our bday is 1 day difference only la ! Let's ganbatteh 2gether for our healthy bday wish !! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 7 2009, 11:17 PM)
but before i reach 50,i think i'll get in the hospital 1st shakehead.gif im low dia,low blood pressure,anemic
and im still eat like a refugee,daily meals always the same WHOLEMEAL BREAD and OATMEAL+fruits[where's calcium,mineral,protein,vitamins?]
im totally malnutrition,hard to eat back like a normal person,bcoz i scare my weight will RISE becoz of that ph34r.gif
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Now you tell us. Bad gal. tongue.gif

Eat vegetable especially leafy green ones. There are some that are rich in iron e.g. spinach. They should fill up your stomach so that no aches.

And take supplements. Buy from pharmacy.

Oh, you can also sometimes eat wild rice/brown rice. You shouldn't be putting on weight ifyou control intake to 2 tablespoon a meal. Probalby lower calorie than your bread but it's more complex carbo in there. So less stomachaches.

Postnote : Do another research for anaemic and low blood pressure diet. You don't have to eat meat protein so check out other sources that will help you out.

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myremi is a walking dictionary in diet! rclxms.gif
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Errr..kinda like no choice to find out about dieting lah.

If you haven't realized by now, I have high blood pressure. So had to relook how to diet, what diets are out there, comparing the different diets and looking up recipes for ideas. Eating a low salt diet is hard.

Today was mango pork. But no fresh mango so use some of the dried mango and poached the pork with the mango. No oil.

Everyday is something different and colourful in terms of veggie. Cooking 70 kcal burn. Washing dishes 80 kcal. I should maybe consider washing car - 100 kcal burn. wink.gif
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hahaha

your no choice make you until so geng chao.

Washing car oso you can count. It seems that you are not only WIKI in diet, you are also WIKI in calculating kcal burnt.


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Errr, not really. Just reading some stuff here and there.

I'm overweight so I've limited movements as well as activities that I can do. Not to mention that I had a prolapsed disc 9 years ago and now I have a damn muscle knot on my right thigh to get rid of.

It's not like "The Biggest Loser" where behind the scenes, there is a team of doctors to help out in case things go wrong. I've also gone on a lot of fad diets and remembered the effects. Diet pills too.

So far, I do 15 min on elliptical of varying resistance 2x-3x a week. Other days are some simple strength training but not as intense as the body builders. But daily morning stretches + back strengthening exercises for 15-20 min. Then cooking my lunch + breakfast which takes about 1 hr from preparation to final cooking to cleaning up the kitchen.

Seems to have work. 7 kg in 6 weeks.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 7 2009, 11:25 PM)
me no stove at home la. can only eat raw, hahaha.
Hmm.... perhaps i ride my bike super duper fast and further distance, so I can burn more fats than normal (I think burn a lot more petrol) laugh.gif
I think 53kg is good for your height already. Now try to maintain your weight, by losing fats and building muscles.
I was once slimming down myself by controlling diet, but I feel painful (Taurus suka makan punya).
Somemore my metabolism decreased a lot after 3 months of diet. I gave up dieting already, slowly increase my calorie intake to increase metabolism.

I read from an article that, daily intake less than 1200Kcal for gal and 1500Kcal for guy will decrease metabolism. If a person eat like that for months, and later eat back the normal calorie intake, sure will get fat a lot faster than last time. Me wacko.gif after knewing...

Luckily I am able to make myself exercise more these days.

oh btw, our bday is 1 day difference only la ! Let's ganbatteh 2gether for our healthy bday wish !! biggrin.gif
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this is HORRIBLE

i heard of these hearsay before,so should i eat back the normal calorie intake?but i scare my weight will rising up rapidly~ :shock
yea,our bday is 1 day dif only laugh.gif if i eat back like normal meal,i dont believe i can reach 50kg on my bday.. sleep.gif

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http://www.truthaboutabs.com/

Get the free e-report. And don't forget to read the nutrition part too.

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Added on April 8, 2009, 12:00 amclarkfann : did you just re-edit your post?


Added on April 8, 2009, 12:01 amand like i said, eat green leafy vegetables. that will fill u up and not make you put on weight lah. green and leafy.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 11:46 PM)
Errr..kinda like no choice to find out about dieting lah.

If you haven't realized by now, I have high blood pressure. So had to relook how to diet, what diets are out there, comparing the different diets and looking up recipes for ideas. Eating a low salt diet is hard.

Today was mango pork. But no fresh mango so use some of the dried mango and poached the pork with the mango. No oil.

Everyday is something different and colourful in terms of veggie. Cooking 70 kcal burn. Washing dishes 80 kcal. I should maybe consider washing car - 100 kcal burn. wink.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 11:59 PM)
http://www.truthaboutabs.com/

Get the free e-report. And don't forget to read the nutrition part too.

Nite2


Added on April 8, 2009, 12:00 amclarkfann : did you just re-edit your post?


Added on April 8, 2009, 12:01 amand like i said, eat green leafy vegetables. that will fill u up and not make you put on weight lah. green and leafy.
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green leaf..but how to cook? sad.gif yea,i re-edited my post tongue.gif


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Errr, not really. Just reading some stuff here and there.

I'm overweight so I've limited movements as well as activities that I can do. Not to mention that I had a prolapsed disc 9 years ago and now I have a damn muscle knot on my right thigh to get rid of.

It's not like "The Biggest Loser" where behind the scenes, there is a team of doctors to help out in case things go wrong. I've also gone on a lot of fad diets and remembered the effects. Diet pills too.

So far, I do 15 min on elliptical of varying resistance 2x-3x a week. Other days are some simple strength training but not as intense as the body builders. But daily morning stretches + back strengthening exercises for 15-20 min. Then cooking my lunch + breakfast which takes about 1 hr from preparation to final cooking to cleaning up the kitchen.

Seems to have work. 7 kg in 6 weeks.
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shocking.gif 7kg in 6 weeks! rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 11:54 PM)
Errr, not really. Just reading some stuff here and there.

I'm overweight so I've limited movements as well as activities that I can do. Not to mention that I had a prolapsed disc 9 years ago and now I have a damn muscle knot on my right thigh to get rid of.

It's not like "The Biggest Loser" where behind the scenes, there is a team of doctors to help out in case things go wrong. I've also gone on a lot of fad diets and remembered the effects. Diet pills too.

So far, I do 15 min on elliptical of varying resistance 2x-3x a week. Other days are some simple strength training but not as intense as the body builders. But daily morning stretches + back strengthening exercises for 15-20 min. Then cooking my lunch + breakfast which takes about 1 hr from preparation to final cooking to cleaning up the kitchen.

Seems to have work. 7 kg in 6 weeks.
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oh, sad to hear that.
but you have a really effective weight lost. slightly more than 1 kg per week, thats good !



QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 7 2009, 11:57 PM)
this is HORRIBLE

i heard of these hearsay before,so should i eat back the normal calorie intake?but i scare my weight will rising up rapidly~ :shock
yea,our bday is 1 day dif only laugh.gif if i eat back like normal  meal,i dont believe i can reach 50kg on my bday.. sleep.gif
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hahaha. Like that ar, after birthday only eat back like normal lo.

actually I have a trick to cheat body. I eat different Kcal everyday.
1st day 2200Kcal, 2nd day 1800Kcal, 3rd day 1600kcal, 4th day 2100Kcal ......

Average up got 2000Kcal la. Like that body can NEVER remember my pattern and eating habits, so it will always stay at 2000Kcal metabolism.

For you, I think your exercise program is damn good already. Just try to increase at least to 1200Kcal per day so that your metabolism won't drop further.

Cheers !
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i realised washing + drying + polishing my house's 3 cars have the same effect of 30mins cycling.

Vacuum + mobbing the 2 stories terrace is still manageable.

I seldom see people mention about stretching, i really like stretching, can feel the tense in my muscle, i wonder how to train to do a full split? I do stretching only on days i dont exercise and still get sweat ..
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 7 2009, 11:30 PM)
Now you tell us. Bad gal. tongue.gif

Eat vegetable especially leafy green ones. There are some that are rich in iron e.g. spinach. They should fill up your stomach so that no aches.

And take supplements. Buy from pharmacy.

Oh, you can also sometimes eat wild rice/brown rice. You shouldn't be putting on weight ifyou control intake to 2 tablespoon a meal. Probalby lower calorie than your bread but it's more complex carbo in there. So less stomachaches.

Postnote : Do another research for anaemic and low blood pressure diet. You don't have to eat meat protein so check out other sources that will help you out.
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i know soybean's protein is good smile.gif supplements?what kind of supplements? unsure.gif cod liver oil?
i lack of protein and iodine,i m allergic of seafood,afraid i'll losing weight and abruptly suffer from goitre... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 8 2009, 12:07 AM)
i realised washing + drying + polishing my house's 3 cars have the same effect of 30mins cycling.

Vacuum + mobbing the 2 stories terrace is still manageable.

I seldom see people mention about stretching, i really like stretching, can feel the tense in my muscle, i wonder how to train to do a full split? I do stretching only on days i dont exercise and still get sweat ..
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I do dynamic stretching before exercise and static stretching after exercise.
I am trying to do full split as well. Currently still got 20cm from my ballz to ground, lol.

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oh, sad to hear that.
but you have a really effective weight lost. slightly more than 1 kg per week, thats good !
hahaha. Like that ar, after birthday only eat back like normal lo.

actually I have a trick to cheat body. I eat different Kcal everyday.
1st day 2200Kcal, 2nd day 1800Kcal, 3rd day 1600kcal, 4th day 2100Kcal ......

Average up got 2000Kcal la. Like that body can NEVER remember my pattern and eating habits, so it will always stay at 2000Kcal metabolism.

For you, I think your exercise program is damn good already. Just try to increase at least to 1200Kcal per day so that your metabolism won't drop further.

Cheers !
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i dont know how to calculate my daily meals's cal... sleep.gif

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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 8 2009, 12:12 AM)
i dont know how to calculate my daily meals's cal... sleep.gif
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well, i estimate only la:

breakfast: ham + cucumber = 300Kcal
lunch: mix rice (sayur + rice + meat) = 600Kcal
teabreak: milo + nestum = 200Kcal
dinner: gardenia green bread 3 slice = 200Kcal

already got 1300Kcal liao.



For more accurate data, ask WIKI-san, hahaha
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 8 2009, 12:15 AM)
well, i estimate only la:

breakfast: ham + cucumber = 300Kcal
lunch: mix rice (sayur + rice + meat) = 600Kcal
teabreak: milo + nestum = 200Kcal
dinner: gardenia green bread 3 slice = 200Kcal

already got 1300Kcal liao.
For more accurate data, ask WIKI-san, hahaha
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 8 2009, 12:15 AM)
well, i estimate only la:

breakfast: ham + cucumber = 300Kcal
lunch: mix rice (sayur + rice + meat) = 600Kcal
teabreak: milo + nestum = 200Kcal
dinner: gardenia green bread 3 slice = 200Kcal

already got 1300Kcal liao.
For more accurate data, ask WIKI-san, hahaha
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Generally, I try not to go over 300 kcal for a meal and use more of food that is still in it's natural state.

Ham : Hidden fat because pork + beef + lamb have streaky fat in the meat. In chicken, it's safer. I generally avoid meat at breakfast and eat wholemeal bread or muesli or some weetabix.

Lunch : Watch portion. If you can control on your plate (10 inch) : a quarter protein, a quarter carbo, half veggies, then you should be ok. White rice is bad.

Teabreak : Milo has sugar. Not sure about Nestum. I go for low sodium hi fibre biscuits from jacobs or have a small fruit (half the size of my fist or fits into the palm of my hand nicely).

Dinner : Have a proper meal with veggies. If you don't want meat, go for protein source of veggie.


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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 8 2009, 12:09 AM)
i know soybean's protein is good smile.gif supplements?what kind of supplements? unsure.gif cod liver oil?
i lack of protein and iodine,i m allergic of seafood,afraid i'll losing weight and abruptly suffer from goitre... rclxub.gif
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Hmmm..... Did you do any research on the net about protein and iodine sources?

And speak to your Mum about cooking veggies lah. Chinese style of cooking is fine. Just need to cut down the oil to maybe 1/2-1 teaspoon.


Added on April 8, 2009, 7:42 amcharge-n-go : use veggies to fill up your stomach. most are low in calorie especially the green & leafy ones. root vegetables are carbo so have to jaga.


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I seldom see people mention about stretching, i really like stretching, can feel the tense in my muscle, i wonder how to train to do a full split? I do stretching only on days i dont exercise and still get sweat ..
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Most people don't find that it's useful until something happens to them. Some ppl think it's just a girlie thing and just don't think it's important. They want to do the "exciting stuff".

Yoga and Pilates are actually better tbh. I would prefer Pilates because true Yogo is borderline religion. But both are slightly better than just stretching because it teaches you better breathing techniques that helps with relaxation and centering for better posture.

Although stretching by itself helps too but it doesn't help with breathin and posture as much as Yoga and Pilates this. I got this link from pizzaboy :

http://www.trickstutorials.com/index.php?page=content/flx3

I don't do dynamic stretching because I'm not that limber. Also, have to be careful when doing it in the morning. Backbone is more fluid when just woken up in the morning so need to be careful when stretching.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 07:40 AM)
charge-n-go : use veggies to fill up your stomach. most are low in calorie especially the green & leafy ones. root vegetables are carbo so have to jaga.

I don't do dynamic stretching because I'm not that limber. Also, have to be careful when doing it in the morning. Backbone is more fluid when just woken up in the morning so need to be careful when stretching.
Most of my meals are 75% leafy vegetable. I need white rice else always half dead in gym laugh.gif

Well, I always do dynamic stretching for 10 minutes right after I wake up. After that do some simple core training for another 5 minutes. Then my whole morning will feel refresh. Compared to last time, now when I walk, I feel that I am lighter biggrin.gif
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Switch slowly to wild rice/brown rice. Start with mixing them in white rice (pre-soak them to soften them if needed) and then later go completely brown rice. Since they ahve more fibre and are an energy source, you wouldn't feel hungry so fast.

Hmm....take a pre-workout drink? The others may advice you on that. I'm not too good at it.
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Great site you shared =)

I took initiative to try something i never done before, jog in the morning to the shop, buy a wholemeal bread back home.

I ate it with some smoked cheese (not sure what cheese is that, bought from Holland), with a slice cheese plus some mustard. double cheese xD. The mustard taste sooo...... exactly like wasapi, dunno where my sister bought the mustard powder and self made.

Another which is my favorite butter + kaya with a big cup of full cream milk.

after all i prefer to eat whole meal bread cause it is more filling, if i take white bread, i felt hungry after like 2 or 3 hours, and i might eat 5 or 6 slices of bread.
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that's the trick.....white bread = refined carb whereas wholemeal bread = complex carb

our body takes longer time to digest complex carb....and also need more calories to digest them...WIn win win situation.....i quitted white bread several months ago.......
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lol, 1st time in my life that i know whole meal is actually much more expensive. was shocking to pay RM3.00 for a gardenia bread, which usually cost much less for white bread
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Hi all,

I am a male 17years old, 185cm in height and 111kg in weight.

Can u guys and girls out there give me some advice on how to lose my weight and my daily diet?

Would really appriciate it.

My usual meals would be:-
for breakfast, it would be a cup of milo only.
then during school recess time (10.45am) i would eat 1 plate of nasi lemak, 3 curry puffs, a slice of fried chicken.
for lunch usually i dont get anything till dinner
dinner about 7pm normally would be rice and mostly only meats. my family only cooks 1 plate of green vegetables and the rest would be on meat and soup and my mum is cooking the rice using the brown rice.
sometimes i would drive out and get a bowl of porridge, if i didn't eat anything for my dinner.

Usually plays badminton with my frens once a week for 2hours but would get easily tired after a match or 2.

If i were to go for jogging, wad should i get for my lunch and dinner and how far / long should i jogged?

Last year i hit the gym thrice a week but due to the hectic schedule i stopped after 2 months. After the gym session i would normally be very tired to study. Is there any advice for this as i am having my SPM soon and if i were to go to the gym again?


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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 8 2009, 02:57 PM)
for breakfast, it would be a cup of milo only.
then during school recess time (10.45am) i would eat 1 plate of nasi lemak, 3 curry puffs, a slice of fried chicken.
for lunch usually i dont get anything till dinner
dinner about 7pm normally would be rice and mostly only meats. my family only cooks 1 plate of green vegetables and the rest would be on meat and soup and my mum is cooking the rice using the brown rice.
sometimes i would drive out and get a bowl of porridge, if i didn't eat anything for my dinner.

Usually plays badminton with my frens once a week for 2hours but would get easily tired after a match or 2.

If i were to go for jogging, wad should i get for my lunch and dinner and how far / long should i jogged?

Last year i hit the gym thrice a week but due to the hectic schedule i stopped after 2 months. After the gym session i would normally be very tired to study. Is there any advice for this as i am having my SPM soon and if i were to go to the gym again?
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milo - a lot of empty sugar calories, switch to something healthier eg. eggs, low fat milk, wholemeal bread, oatmeal.

nasi lemak - rice in nasi lemak is full of extra fats, cut down as much as possible. Don't eat those peanuts fried in oil too.

curry puff - don't eat the whole puff pastry, less carbs the better.

your lunch - do not skip lunch, eat less during your recess time and eat something during your lunch to get your metabolism going throughout the day.

badminton - only once a week so it's insignificant

jogging - 3-6 times a week, 30-60mins each. Start at a much slower pace for the first week.

gym - SPM more important, so if you can't study after gym, don't. Weight lifting better in the long run than just cardio though.

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and don't push yourself while jogging tongue.gif once cannot go anymore, slow down and walk slowly tongue.gif!! i was once like you LOL. after a week, i can do more rounds biggrin.gif
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Can you describe your meal portions a bit more? Use your fist as a reference. Also, how the meals are prepared and what is a meal for you guys e.g. fried, boiled, sweet, salty, sour, etc.
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DUTCH SMOKE CHEESE!! Best cheddar cheese around. Yum. smile.gif Cheddar fatty though. And this cheese is damn expensive here.

And your sauces banyak. tongue.gif No butter, less mustard.

Wholemeal bread is expensive. Sugarless / hi-fibre even more. Breadmaker? *hint hint*

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Today I eat 3 slices green gardenia + oatmeal as my breakfast. 3 hours later is my lunch time. Then I quickly go to gym.

Barger, they are still in my stomach until my gym session over. Next time 2 slices enough ady, hahaha.

Today managed to burn 50Kcal during warm up, 500Kcal in 30 minutes aerobic. flex.gif


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lol you have a meter running in your arms? even know your warm ups calories burnt
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 05:23 PM)
Can you describe your meal portions a bit more? Use your fist as a reference. Also, how the meals are prepared and what is a meal for you guys e.g. fried, boiled, sweet, salty, sour, etc.
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lol why references to the fist? i have big fist, almost full size of a big orange. 21cm from middle finger to wrist, thumb and pinkies can reach 9 keys with the pianos lolx

btw i think is better to merge with clarkfann's thread.
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 8 2009, 06:03 PM)
lol you have a meter running in your arms? even know your warm ups calories burnt
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my warm up easy only.
Bicycle 3 minutes
Rowing 3 minutes

after that, dynamic stretching 4 minutes. That one i cant measure, hahaha.
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bigger fist maybe got bigger body. Bigger body means more calories used for any activity or during rest.


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/986767 is all the weight loss QnA .

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try to increase your metabolisme rate, exercise. when you exercise your base metabolisme rate increases - your body burn more calories at rest.

before you jog,drink a cup of black coffee (no sugar). caffeine helps absorbs fat (or something like that) I forget ady

If you cant jog, walk. its not about the time,its about the distance. jogging 10km a day burn as much calories as walking 10km a day.

watch your food intake lorr. nasik lemak is too much ady, but you add curry puff some more.

I could recommend some more. but I didnt practise them myself. so I felt unqualified to do so smile.gif
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6mins cycle + rowing = 50kcals? srsly?

i should stop doing hiit then biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 8 2009, 02:57 PM)
Hi all,

I am a male 17years old, 185cm in height and 111kg in weight.

Can u guys and girls out there give me some advice on how to lose my weight and my daily diet?

Would really appriciate it.

My usual meals would be:-
for breakfast, it would be a cup of milo only.
then during school recess time (10.45am) i would eat 1 plate of nasi lemak, 3 curry puffs, a slice of fried chicken.
for lunch usually i dont get anything till dinner
dinner about 7pm normally would be rice and mostly only meats. my family only cooks 1 plate of green vegetables and the rest would be on meat and soup and my mum is cooking the rice using the brown rice.
sometimes i would drive out and get a bowl of porridge, if i didn't eat anything for my dinner.

Usually plays badminton with my frens once a week for 2hours but would get easily tired after a match or 2.

If i were to go for jogging, wad should i get for my lunch and dinner and how far / long should i jogged?

Last year i hit the gym thrice a week but due to the hectic schedule i stopped after 2 months. After the gym session i would normally be very tired to study. Is there any advice for this as i am having my SPM soon and if i were to go to the gym again?
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No more canteen food if you want to lose weight.

Since you are eating at 10:45am, I suggest you have your first meal around 6am. Your 3rd meal can be at 1pm. Your 10:45am meal must be light. After 2 hours you are going to have lunch. You are eating a lot of crap, porridge is good, but still carbs.

Go and buy whole meal bread, milk, banana, tuna, chicken breast, fish, cauliflower, carrot, brocoli, eggs, lotsa fruits, high fiber cereals/biscuits.

Bring your own food to school, if you can't do this, don't bother to lose weight. You are going to eat the crap nasi lemak, curry puff and fried chicken again.
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skylive + kurtbob : using a fist for food portioning is not uncommon when it comes to dietician planning. Gives an easy reference for ppl rather than trying to remember 1 cup or 1/2 cup. Especially for ppl who are trying to lose a lot of weight and trying to get measurements done, this is a simple way.

Using the fist doesn't have to be EXTREMELY ACCURATE but fairly accurate enough that ppl don't overeat. Adults' fist don't differ by much unless they are the small-sized folks. smile.gif

Here's some examples : http://www.hearthealthyonline.com/fitness/...ontrol_ss1.html

Also, when it comes to diet advice, yes, I will ask how the food is prepared as I can probably "guess" where the problem will lie. Breakfast and lunch are the obvious ones. Dinner looks to be also be a major problem but until the TS gives us some hint of how his dinner meal is like, we can't really say much no?

Most ppl who exercise a lot and find that they cannot lose weight is usually the diet which not only consists of food type and preparation but also the food portion. Eat food in moderation, not when you feel hungry (which is actually a sign that your body is craving a drug known as sugar).

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 8 2009, 07:23 PM)
6mins cycle + rowing = 50kcals? srsly?

i should stop doing hiit then biggrin.gif
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What have you done on HIIT?


This is what I've done during warm up:
Cycling: LVL3 @ about 90rpm (3 min) - about 22Kcal @ 73kg
Rowing: Keep around 550Kcal per hour. about 28Kcal for 3 minutes.

Elliptical is still my favourite. I can easily hit 15Kcal per minute.

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QUOTE(fearz @ Apr 8 2009, 04:06 PM)
milo - a lot of empty sugar calories, switch to something healthier eg. eggs, low fat milk, wholemeal bread, oatmeal.

nasi lemak - rice in nasi lemak is full of extra fats, cut down as much as possible. Don't eat those peanuts fried in oil too.

curry puff - don't eat the whole puff pastry, less carbs the better.

your lunch - do not skip lunch, eat less during your recess time and eat something during your lunch to get your metabolism going throughout the day.

badminton - only once a week so it's insignificant

jogging - 3-6 times a week, 30-60mins each. Start at a much slower pace for the first week.

gym - SPM more important, so if you can't study after gym, don't. Weight lifting better in the long run than just cardio though.
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Rewriting this post and was just posting when mod moved the thread.

Milo : Not completely empty sugar calories. There is milk in there as well as sugar which the amount is not declared. It's listed under Total Carbo since all carbos are converted into sugar by our bodies before getting metabolise into energy. Any unused sugar (and hence carbo) will be converted to fat and stored. If you crave Milo, put some cocoa powder into milk and heat it up. Voila, you have Milo tasting milk. smile.gif When I'm ill or sick with no appetite, I will drink Milo since no mood for solid food.

Curry Puff : Preferably avoid this. Too many carbo everywhere, including the filling. Filling has sugar and potato. Also, probalby fat as well. Home made is probably a safer option but even then, you can't eat much.

Lunch : Don't skip is right. Just watch your portions and you'll be fine. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436

Getting started with exercise is not easy. A lot of people have this mentality that they need to do specific exercise activities or that it needs to be done at hard pace : both these reasons made a lot of overweight ppl give up. Just start off easy and recognize pain level. If it's sharp pain, time to stop and take a break. You can also start off some light weight "exercise" just by doing chores around the house or even shopping (plastic bags are heavy. Housewives are strong, even the skinny ones) bags. Even walking briskly to and fro from school helps.
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QUOTE(fearz @ Apr 8 2009, 04:06 PM)
milo - a lot of empty sugar calories, switch to something healthier eg. eggs, low fat milk, wholemeal bread, oatmeal.

nasi lemak - rice in nasi lemak is full of extra fats, cut down as much as possible. Don't eat those peanuts fried in oil too.

curry puff - don't eat the whole puff pastry, less carbs the better.

your lunch - do not skip lunch, eat less during your recess time and eat something during your lunch to get your metabolism going throughout the day.

badminton - only once a week so it's insignificant

jogging - 3-6 times a week, 30-60mins each. Start at a much slower pace for the first week.

gym - SPM more important, so if you can't study after gym, don't. Weight lifting better in the long run than just cardio though.
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will ask my mum to buy those low fat milks which is sold in supermarket. will be skipping my meal from school during the recess time starting for tomorrow. temptation is always there sad.gif . mayb wont be hitting the gym yet, is really tiring after the gym for studies .

QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 8 2009, 04:20 PM)
and don't push yourself while jogging tongue.gif once cannot go anymore, slow down and walk slowly tongue.gif!! i was once like you LOL. after a week, i can do more rounds biggrin.gif
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would go with my sister for jogging, she is asking why today i didn't come and fetch her to go for jogging. lol. thx for the advice though

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 05:23 PM)
Can you describe your meal portions a bit more? Use your fist as a reference. Also, how the meals are prepared and what is a meal for you guys e.g. fried, boiled, sweet, salty, sour, etc.
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in the morning, would be just 1 cup of milo. the normal 325ml cups.
nasi lemak... well 1 normal plates which we use in the house, slightly smaller ones (they need to sell them cheap and sufficient for student), for the fried chicken is about 1/2 the KFC fried chicken size, i would only buy those mostly with meats.


QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 8 2009, 08:11 PM)
No more canteen food if you want to lose weight.

Since you are eating at 10:45am, I suggest you have your first meal around 6am. Your 3rd meal can be at 1pm. Your 10:45am meal must be light. After 2 hours you are going to have lunch. You are eating a lot of crap, porridge is good, but still carbs.

Go and buy whole meal bread, milk, banana, tuna, chicken breast, fish, cauliflower, carrot, brocoli, eggs, lotsa fruits, high fiber cereals/biscuits.

Bring your own food to school, if you can't do this, don't bother to lose weight. You are going to eat the crap nasi lemak, curry puff and fried chicken again.
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tomorrow i will wake up earlier to eat my breakfast. normally i wake up about 6.45am then pack my bag and go for a bath until 7.05am. then will reach school about 7.25am . is it advisable to eat things like "kaya pau" in the morning for breakfast? i bought 3 "pau" just now to eat for tomorrow's breakfast.

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 09:28 PM)
Rewriting this post and was just posting when mod moved the thread.

Milo : Not completely empty sugar calories. There is milk in there as well as sugar which the amount is not declared. It's listed under Total Carbo since all carbos are converted into sugar by our bodies before getting metabolise into energy. Any unused sugar (and hence carbo) will be converted to fat and stored. If you crave Milo, put some cocoa powder into milk and heat it up. Voila, you have Milo tasting milk. smile.gif When I'm ill or sick with no appetite, I will drink Milo since no mood for solid food.

Curry Puff : Preferably avoid this. Too many carbo everywhere, including the filling. Filling has sugar and potato. Also, probalby fat as well. Home made is probably a safer option but even then, you can't eat much.

Lunch : Don't skip is right. Just watch your portions and you'll be fine. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/978436

Getting started with exercise is not easy. A lot of people have this mentality that they need to do specific exercise activities or that it needs to be done at hard pace : both these reasons made a lot of overweight ppl give up. Just start off easy and recognize pain level. If it's sharp pain, time to stop and take a break. You can also start off some light weight "exercise" just by doing chores around the house or even shopping (plastic bags are heavy. Housewives are strong, even the skinny ones) bags. Even walking briskly to and fro from school helps.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 08:41 PM)
skylive + kurtbob : using a fist for food portioning is not uncommon when it comes to dietician planning. Gives an easy reference for ppl rather than trying to remember 1 cup or 1/2 cup. Especially for ppl who are trying to lose a lot of weight and trying to get measurements done, this is a simple way.

Using the fist doesn't have to be EXTREMELY ACCURATE but fairly accurate enough that ppl don't overeat. Adults' fist don't differ by much unless they are the small-sized folks. smile.gif

Here's some examples : http://www.hearthealthyonline.com/fitness/...ontrol_ss1.html

Also, when it comes to diet advice, yes, I will ask how the food is prepared as I can probably "guess" where the problem will lie. Breakfast and lunch are the obvious ones. Dinner looks to be also be a major problem but until the TS gives us some hint of how his dinner meal is like, we can't really say much no?

Most ppl who exercise a lot and find that they cannot lose weight is usually the diet which not only consists of food type and preparation but also the food portion.  Eat food in moderation, not when you feel hungry (which is actually a sign that your body is craving a drug known as sugar).
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Usually i dont eat dinner unless i am really hungry. how to measure with fist? can teach me? by looking the size of the fist and compare it to ur plates or ? [ read ur thread be4 but still dont really understand on how u divides the food portion. ]

for my dinner if i eat them, would be fish, vegetables, soups and rice. thats wad i normally eat for dinner.

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i wont skip the recess meal if I were you. maybe you shud just chew two slices of wholemeal bread to keep your system running.....
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richard, you sound like you're starving yourself just to lose weight.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculat...lose-weight.php

This is one of the many sources on how to lose weight ify ou're counting by calorie. Since you're skipping lunch and occassionally dinner, it's no wonder your body is shutting you down by making you tired : it's trying to perserve enough energy source by making you so tired you won't exercise.

US Food Portion : http://www.capitalhealth.ca/EspeciallyFor/..._NAME=&cms=true

UK Food Portion : http://www.wipp.nhs.uk/tools_scfp/img/part...food_circle.gif

I use the US version so that it's easier to follow. UK one got too many slices to remember.


Added on April 8, 2009, 11:19 pmCan try some of these options :

breakfast :
-oats + lowfat milk + banana slices in it (or any other fruit)
-wholemeal bread sandwich + egg + tomato + cucumber + lettuce
-porridge + green leafy veggie + egg (but maybe your mum can do it for u)

recess :
-3 hifibre biscuits like Jacobs
-2 pieces of bread
-1 cup of yogurt
-1 cup of lowfat milk
-1 fruit

lunch :
-eat like waht I mention as a plate
-or bring a sandwich

afternoon snack
-same as recess

dinner :
-eat like waht I mentioned as a plate. the trick is to put everything on the plate and not touch anything else other than water outside of that plate.

kaya : very fatty and maybe too much protein in one shot. 1 small pot of kaya = 10 eggs + a lot of sugar.

you can goggle for meal plans for weight loss. that's how i tend to get ideas for mine.

I'm planning to try baking some muffins and freezing them overnight. then just take out and eat. of course. reduce sugar and salt and carbo. smile.gif

Also, planning to try making wholemeal pau and see how that works. Got a recipe for it but not sure what kind of filling to put in.

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 8 2009, 10:20 PM)
i wont skip the recess meal if I were you. maybe you shud just chew two slices of wholemeal bread to keep your system running.....
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okay . thx for the advice. if i were to buy the normal bread which is manufactured by gardinea with the fillings of corn is it advisable? or just wholemeal bread will do?

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 8 2009, 11:02 PM)
richard, you sound like you're starving yourself just to lose weight.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculat...lose-weight.php

This is one of the many sources on how to lose weight ify ou're counting by calorie. Since you're skipping lunch and occassionally dinner, it's no wonder your body is shutting you down by making you tired : it's trying to perserve enough energy source by making you so tired you won't exercise.

US Food Portion : http://www.capitalhealth.ca/EspeciallyFor/..._NAME=&cms=true

UK Food Portion : http://www.wipp.nhs.uk/tools_scfp/img/part...food_circle.gif

I use the US version so that it's easier to follow. UK one got too many slices to remember.


Added on April 8, 2009, 11:19 pmCan try some of these options :

breakfast :
-oats + lowfat milk + banana slices in it (or any other fruit)
-wholemeal bread sandwich + egg + tomato + cucumber + lettuce
-porridge + green leafy veggie + egg (but maybe your mum can do it for u)

recess :
-3 hifibre biscuits like Jacobs
-2 pieces of bread
-1 cup of yogurt
-1 cup of lowfat milk
-1 fruit

lunch :
-eat like waht I mention as a plate
-or bring a sandwich

afternoon snack
-same as recess

dinner :
-eat like waht I mentioned as a plate. the trick is to put everything on the plate and not touch anything else other than water outside of that plate.

kaya : very fatty and maybe too much protein in one shot. 1 small pot of kaya = 10 eggs + a lot of sugar.

you can goggle for meal plans for weight loss. that's how i tend to get ideas for mine.

I'm planning to try baking some muffins and freezing them overnight. then just take out and eat. of course. reduce sugar and salt and carbo. smile.gif

Also, planning to try making wholemeal pau and see how that works. Got a recipe for it but not sure what kind of filling to put in.
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got ur idea, would be eatting fruits in the canteen since they sell them. not really starving myself, but i ate alot during the recess period and not feeling hungry during lunch time . so normally i would just give a go for the lunch. tend to get ur ideas. thx for the advice though.

now i know y i get tired easily . nice and well written of advice which i am looking for. a great thx to u .
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she is the wiki-san in this thread, forget about wikipedia xD

I just tried the corn flavor bread by gardenia, taste ok but i felt no corn taste at all, it's all cream. It will be better if you can prepare your own bread.

I am thinking to made some salad for tomorrow meal, any suggestion?
So far only thought of tomato, corn, cucumber, cabbage. Dressing with olive oil. Want to put chicken breast meet too if can obtain them? usually the breast meat is steamed before made into salad?

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 9 2009, 12:01 AM)
she is the wiki-san in this thread, forget about wikipedia xD

I just tried the corn flavor bread by gardenia, taste ok but i felt no corn taste at all, it's all cream. It will be better if you can prepare your own bread.

I am thinking to made some salad for tomorrow meal, any suggestion?
So far only thought of tomato, corn, cucumber, cabbage. Dressing with olive oil. Want to put chicken breast meet too if can obtain them? usually the breast meat is steamed before made into salad?
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yea yea. she is really the wiki-san in this thread. well, the gardenia bread has the taste of the corn as well as alot of cream. thats wad i get when i eat them.

mayb u can add more fruits like apple and watermelon for ur salad.

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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 9 2009, 12:11 AM)
yea yea. she is really the wiki-san in this thread. well, the gardenia bread has the taste of the corn as well as alot of cream. thats wad i get when i eat them.

mayb u can add more fruits like apple and watermelon for ur salad.
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I dont like watermelon as the texture in the salad. Apple and orange, but i dont really like mixing vegetable with fruits while dealing with salad.

I usually eat with carrot, onions, cabbage, corn, and that brown colour bean, not sure what it is called
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Believe it or not, I don't quite like lettuce on it's own.

I love this website for it's colourful food presentations. Makes me motivated to make more but I don't always eat raw salad coz makes my stomach muscles clench too much. Epicuroius is a magazine from the US which I've not seen here (bah!).

http://www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?search=salad

You have more than one choice of salad. Usually, if you leave the salad overnight with fruits, the sugar from the fruit would get into the salad (with no sugar added). Add half a teaspoon of balsamic or wine vinegar to help with this. Lettuce leaves can be left until just before eating - but up to you, leave it overnight and they look a bit blah.

You can put in guava, apples, oranges, grapes, raisins, mangos (even green ones), I suppose banana, papaya, etc. Veggies can include mangkuang (looks very dirty from the earth but actually really nice), sweet potato (not too much but they are healthier than normal potato), taugeh, broccoli, tomato, mushrooms, etc.

It's fun.


Added on April 9, 2009, 8:31 amAlternative to boiling chicken : grilling it or poach it. I like to do poaching as it's similar to steaming and boiling.

Put some water in the wok and heat up until boil. Then add in the meat (water should be about midway but check regularly because the water level may go down). Half cover the wok so that the meat is slightly pressurize.

No oil. smile.gif

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er.. i think you meant sengkuang instead of mengkuang wink.gif
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Err, depends on the pronounciation. Sengkuang is another type I think - this one is more fibrous and kinda like yam. It's either mangkuang/bangkuang, not the mengkuang of the rattan mat. tongue.gif


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Ah.. I'm mistaken then.. I thought "hmm.. I didnt realize a mat would be so yummy"

Btw guys, am hving serious motivation issue now - I hv none. Last time I used to do it for myself (I hated the way I looked) and my then boyfriend. Currently losing all motivation cause I'm too darn happy on day to day basis. I'm just concerned that if I let myself go again, I'll end up hving to work harder later biggrin.gif . So .. help pls? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 9 2009, 09:15 AM)
Ah.. I'm mistaken then.. I thought "hmm.. I didnt realize a mat would be so yummy"

Btw guys, am hving serious motivation issue now - I hv none. Last time I used to do it for myself (I hated the way I looked) and my then boyfriend. Currently losing all motivation cause I'm too darn happy on day to day basis. I'm just concerned that if I let myself go again, I'll end up hving to work harder later biggrin.gif . So .. help pls? tongue.gif
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My downtrend in health motivated me.

Plus I think I should start to seriously lose weight and see if I can get into a bikini one day. wub.gif

Then my Mum passed me a photo when I used to weigh 62 kg with slim waist! Was 18 yo that time. Ok, time to get cracking. smile.gif
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still dun have time to buy the required 'supply' coz got POP QUIZ yesterday. so here it is:

10am:wedges+a lil bit of meehun
1pm:sayur kangkung+sayur kailan+an egg
8pm (not yet taken):a few pieces of bread+apple too
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haha, i didn't make it for the salad today, was with friend, ate some mix rice. Now only i realised how oil is mix rice vegetable lol.

i like to eat things in raw, in fact there is many food which i dont eat after it's cook. Lettuce taste great, so does onion, garlic etc xD

I like colourful presentation food too xD, the purple + green cabbage looks very good too


Added on April 9, 2009, 3:51 pmNot sure if anyone work out at home without a timer, this is quite good and come with sound http://www.speedbagforum.com/timer.html


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waseh man...i only left 2 weeks to lose 3kg...
damn...
i think i cant make it rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 8 2009, 01:50 PM)
that's the trick.....white bread = refined carb whereas wholemeal bread = complex carb

our body takes longer time to digest complex carb....and also need more calories to digest them...WIn win win situation.....i quitted white bread several months ago.......
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yea,i know this
wholemeal bread is complex carb
but i dont know our body takes longer time to digest complex carb shakehead.gif its scary.... shocking.gif
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Hmmm..... Did you do any research on the net about protein and iodine sources?

And speak to your Mum about cooking veggies lah. Chinese style of cooking is fine. Just need to cut down the oil to maybe 1/2-1 teaspoon.

my mum has no time to cook,thats why i cant take veggie...nobody cook for me
idk how to cook also sad.gif
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Manage to resist the temptation to eat those food during recess time today and only ate 2 packets of watermelons.

I was like starving at 12pm and went back home and eat for lunch about 1pm . Did the plate dividing thingy but only manage to divide the plate until 1/2 for my rice and 1/2 more for vegetables and steamed fish.

Should it be okay if i take noodles for breakfast during the weekend ?
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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 9 2009, 04:53 PM)
Manage to resist the temptation to eat those food during recess time today and only ate 2 packets of watermelons.

I was like starving at 12pm and went back home and eat for lunch about 1pm . Did the plate dividing thingy but only manage to divide the plate until 1/2 for my rice and 1/2 more for vegetables and steamed fish.

Should it be okay if i take noodles for breakfast during the weekend ?
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should be okay,if only in the weekend biggrin.gif
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Gardenia green damn full wei..

Today breakfast, cut down from 3 slices to 2 slices, drink another oatmeal + milo. Can last more than 3 hours.

End up going gym with partially full stomach again. Sambil workout sambil gas keluar from mouth... sigh.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 9 2009, 04:57 PM)
Gardenia green damn full wei..

Today breakfast, cut down from 3 slices to 2 slices, drink another oatmeal + milo. Can last more than 3 hours.

End up going gym with partially full stomach again. Sambil workout sambil gas keluar from mouth... sigh.
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gas keluar from mouth?what did u mean? hmm.gif
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Seems like white rice can hold my hunger better than bread, i dont know why. i almost finish the whole gardenia bread in 2 days .. alone


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gas keluar from mouth?what did u mean? hmm.gif
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try swim after eating rendang? you will get what i mean

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gas keluar from mouth?what did u mean? hmm.gif
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kentut from mouth instead of a$$hole. hehe

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 9 2009, 04:59 PM)
Seems like white rice can hold my hunger better than bread, i dont know why. i almost finish the whole gardenia bread in 2 days .. alone
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me too, i finished green gardenia in 2 days.
ok mah, 2 slices only 126kCal.
the whole thing only 756kCal. Not even enough for my 1 day calorie intake man.
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 9 2009, 04:59 PM)
Seems like white rice can hold my hunger better than bread, i dont know why. i almost finish the whole gardenia bread in 2 days .. alone


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try swim after eating rendang? you will get what i mean
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i see,i get whatcha mean now biggrin.gif
yup,rice really can hold longer than bread nod.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 9 2009, 05:11 PM)
kentut from mouth instead of a$$hole. hehe
me too, i finished green gardenia in 2 days.
ok mah, 2 slices only 126kCal.
the whole thing only 756kCal. Not even enough for my 1 day calorie intake man.
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it's called 'burping', people.
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really? does walking and jogging burn the same cal if its the same distance? i thought jogging needs more effort to move than walking!
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 9 2009, 06:16 PM)
really? does walking and jogging burn the same cal if its the same distance? i thought jogging needs more effort to move than walking!
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Different ler. jogging can burn much more.

Go for crosstrainer (aka elliptical). Very effective machine.
I jog like hell, half an hour only burnt 400Kcal.
I go elliptical like hell, half an hour can burn 630Kcal.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 9 2009, 06:58 PM)
Different ler. jogging can burn much more.

Go for crosstrainer (aka elliptical). Very effective machine.
I jog like hell, half an hour only burnt 400Kcal.
I go elliptical like hell, half an hour can burn 630Kcal.
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r u kidding me?i always jog like hell on crosstrainr,and half an hour only can burn 150++ cal rclxub.gif
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Dear, yr diet is too extreme la. reconsider and do it in healty way. maybe a combination with exercise, u will achieve more.
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lol i jog then RUN then jog then walk and repeat tongue.gif considered HIIT?
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lol i jog then RUN then jog then walk and repeat tongue.gif considered HIIT?
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Lol i do that too, but i am not too sure either it's consider as HiiT. From what i read, Hiit depends on your ability, if jogging is the max you can go, walking is the most you do, then u will set a strict time frame let's say 20sec jog 15sec walk, once the time is to jog your force you self to give your best until the next rest.

I saw some Mp3 track which you can download and put into your portable player to tell your when to stop and go. If you wanna make with any audio editing software such as audacity, you can even include your favorite tunes.

Rushing for assignment now T.T
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QUOTE(techsavvy123 @ Apr 9 2009, 07:21 PM)
Dear, yr diet is too extreme la. reconsider and do it in healty way. maybe a combination with exercise, u will achieve more.
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and i exercise 3 times a week wink.gif
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r u kidding me?i always jog like hell on crosstrainr,and half an hour only can burn 150++ cal rclxub.gif
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what level do you put?
I usually stay constant at level 7 and jog at speed 6.0 (66 - 70rpm like tat).

On top of that, I am heavier, so burn more Kcal tongue.gif
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 9 2009, 01:16 PM)
still dun have time to buy the required 'supply' coz got POP QUIZ yesterday. so here it is:

10am:wedges+a lil bit of meehun
1pm:sayur kangkung+sayur kailan+an egg
8pm (not yet taken):a few pieces of bread+apple too
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Heh!

Look for fruit seller next time. Meehun so-so. Eat tang hoon soup instead or porridge.

kangkung : careful with this veg. not sure why but usually get more leg cramps at nite or when it's cold.

Dinner : you starving ah? where's your protein?


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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 9 2009, 04:52 PM)

Added on April 8, 2009, 7:41 am

Hmmm..... Did you do any research on the net about protein and iodine sources?

And speak to your Mum about cooking veggies lah. Chinese style of cooking is fine. Just need to cut down the oil to maybe 1/2-1 teaspoon.

my mum has no time to cook,thats why i cant take veggie...nobody cook for me
idk how to cook also sad.gif
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1. chop garlic. don't worry about the size.
2. 1 teaspoon of oil in wok. if you using non-stick pan, use plastic spatula.
3. put in garlic and cook until wangi or garlic soft.
4. add in veggie. (note : if got stem, separate stem from leaves. stem will take longer time to cook (2-3 min more) than leaf. stem first, then veggie)
5. add some water and seasoning.

This weekend : ask your Mum to demo how to cook veggie. Then you learn.

Else, just boil the veggie to cook it (not too long. onlhy until cook. taste it to check), drain water and pour some oyster sauce (about 1 teaspoon first) over it and mix it up.


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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 9 2009, 04:53 PM)
Manage to resist the temptation to eat those food during recess time today and only ate 2 packets of watermelons.

I was like starving at 12pm and went back home and eat for lunch about 1pm . Did the plate dividing thingy but only manage to divide the plate until 1/2 for my rice and 1/2 more for vegetables and steamed fish.

Should it be okay if i take noodles for breakfast during the weekend ?
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You just pick the fruitwith one of the highest GI i.e. highest refined carbo. Heh! Watermelons. One packet next time and get something like guava (don't eat too much else cannot shit) or mango.

It takes awhile to get used to the new diet coz u're reducing sugar. It will take awhile. No rush.

Noodles - tang hoon or better yet, one of those alternative grain noodles in organic shop.

The side effect of reducing carbo is that when u eat refined carbo again, you get sugar headaches.


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Gardenia green damn full wei..

Today breakfast, cut down from 3 slices to 2 slices, drink another oatmeal + milo. Can last more than 3 hours.

End up going gym with partially full stomach again. Sambil workout sambil gas keluar from mouth... sigh.
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Was the bread the only thing u changed?

And how much oatmeal do u actually eat?

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Was the bread the only thing u changed?

And how much oatmeal do u actually eat?
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I add oat as well. Used to drink only neslo.
1 table spoon oat + 2x green gardenia.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 09:32 AM)
I add oat as well. Used to drink only neslo.
1 table spoon oat + 2x green gardenia.
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Hmmm....I think it's maybe your morning tea snack and your lunch that may be causing problems when you switch to wholemeal bread. That's why you're burping i.e. still have food in your stomach.

What was your meal schedule on the 2 days that you started wholemeal? The other alternative is to do more walking around during your non-gym time to get your body to process the food more. One of the things I'm thinking of starting with my colleague is a 10 min walk around the office compound to get some fresh air and to clear the stomach after lunch. Doesn't have to be brisk walking. Just a walk to help with the digestion a bit.

TBH, my only snack is around 4-5 pm in the afternoon. Then dinner at 7 pm. Morning no snack. At night, sometimes at 9 pm a small fruit but I try not to have it else my body doesn't let me sleep until 12 - 1 am because of that snack. Even drinking milk will keep me awake.


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:33 amAlso, what was your food portion for lunch?


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:54 amSidenote : last week, gain 1-2 kg from trip back to hometown. This week, drop the 1-2 kg gain and another 1 kg when coming back. Total lost so far is 8 kg in 2 months.

Wondering whether this 1 kg per week can still continue after losing 10 kg. May have to push harder in exercise regime. A lot harder.

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I take breakfast at 9am, no snack in between.
11.30am is my gym time until 12.30pm.

1pm take lunch. Portion ar... 75% sayur (green leaf type) and 25% meat/egg. I usually da pao, and the case is about 1/2 full only.

3pm my mouth itchy, will eat my fav curry puff.

7pm dinner, usually take economy mihun only.

During work I like to stand up and sit down frequently, because my buttock gets numb if I sit more than 30 minutes.


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Sidenote : last week, gain 1-2 kg from trip back to hometown. This week, drop the 1-2 kg gain and another 1 kg when coming back. Total lost so far is 8 kg in 2 months.

Wondering whether this 1 kg per week can still continue after losing 10 kg. May have to push harder in exercise regime. A lot harder.
Ganbatteh WIKI-san !!

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What time do you wake up and sleep?

Portion : based on the dapao white styroform package? Trying to imagine how is the %.

Curry puff is bad u know. tongue.gif

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erm.. charge-n-go .. if u tapao using Styrofoam, why not bring tupperware instead? smile.gif

I imagine that you're a guy? .. you're undereating.
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where does all the fat go when u lose weight?
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 11:14 AM)
What time do you wake up and sleep?

Portion : based on the dapao white styroform package? Trying to imagine how is the %.

Curry puff is bad u know. tongue.gif
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I wake up 8am, sleep at 12am.

ya ya, that white styroform package.
to make it clearer, about 6 table spoons of leafy vege, 4 tablespoon of non leafy vege (sometimes potato), about half palm of pork/chicken.

Curry puff only eat these 2 days la, mouth itchy mah, hahahah. So after makan, I increase my exercise intensity lo tongue.gif



QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 10 2009, 11:17 AM)
erm.. charge-n-go .. if u tapao using Styrofoam, why not bring tupperware instead? smile.gif

I imagine that you're a guy? .. you're undereating.
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Me no tupperware la.
I don't eat sayur like that only. Those sayur I put into gardenia bread one. eat about 3 - 4 slices. I use wholemeal bread to replace white rice ma.


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where does all the fat go when u lose weight?
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Those fats are converted to ATP to provide energy to your body.
Sigh... how I wish it doesn't need conversion and straight away berak out.
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me too
berak out much easier
hope i can weigh 70 kg by end of the year
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QUOTE(exsea @ Apr 10 2009, 11:31 AM)
me too
berak out much easier
hope i can weigh 70 kg by end of the year
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Weight is actually quite a useless indicator.

10 years ago, I weigh 72kg.
now I weigh 73kg.

The difference? Damn big.

10 years ago, my waist is 32"
now, my waist is 35"

10 years ago, my fat % is only 7.5% of 72kg
now, my fat % is 19% of 73kg. Imagine... I am carrying 13.9kg of useless thing and move around.

And you know why my muscle shrinks? I seldom exercise (only twice per week), and I used to diet for 6 months. with that little amount of exercise.

So now, I just want to exercise more to lose weight, I will eat 2000Kcal everyday.

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eh fats arent useless - they're here for good reasons smile.gif
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charge-n-go : Your gym time is morning? Thought it was afternoon.

Hmm... maybe relook your breakfast if you feel like burping too often. Try eating 30 min earlier. What are you doing in the one hour between the time you wake up and the time you actually eat breakfast?

And tbh, I don't quite like Gardenia bread, even during KL study days and before I started my low-sodium diet. It was just too salty for me and the breads in Sarawak weren't that salty. So tak biasa eat Gardenia.

What SydG is saying is probably true too. And actually, Tupperware has a tapao container for dividing food portions : http://order.tupperware.com/coe/app/tup_sh...er=P10055421000 . RM42.80. I use this for my lunch.

Potato as a source of carbo hmm.... not a good choice but I guess not much of a choice.


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me too
berak out much easier
hope i can weigh 70 kg by end of the year
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There's a table for this. But you'll end up leaking out fat oils through your anus. Then you have to wear adult nappies or female sanitary pad else your pants got wet spot.


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eh fats arent useless - they're here for good reasons smile.gif
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Our brains are made out of fat. smile.gif

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eh fats arent useless - they're here for good reasons smile.gif
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haha, i have 13.9kg of fats. only 3.9kg is useful, the others are crap tongue.gif

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 12:14 PM)
charge-n-go : Your gym time is morning? Thought it was afternoon.

Hmm... maybe relook your breakfast if you feel like burping too often. Try eating 30 min earlier. What are you doing in the one hour between the time you wake up and the time you actually eat breakfast?

And tbh, I don't quite like Gardenia bread, even during KL study days and before I started my low-sodium diet. It was just too salty for me and the breads in Sarawak weren't that salty. So tak biasa eat Gardenia.

What SydG is saying is probably true too. And actually, Tupperware has a tapao container for dividing food portions : http://order.tupperware.com/coe/app/tup_sh...er=P10055421000 . RM42.80. I use this for my lunch.

Potato as a source of carbo hmm.... not a good choice but I guess not much of a choice.

Our brains are made out of fat. smile.gif
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erm... 11.30am - 12.30pm consider noon tongue.gif
ok... me wake up 8.00am, drink 1 cup water, then do dynamic stretching for 10 minutes.
Then start to cuci muka, gosok gigi........
Then go to work.
Then take supplement at about 8.45am.
Finally start breakfast at 9.00am.

Today I still burp, but ok la. Burp out liao feel very comfortable, I can pump more ohm into my elliptical. Today I managed to get 750Kcal in 40 minutes rclxm9.gif

I think I need some carb, else will easily feel dizzy in gym and in my physical trainings. tongue.gif
I like wholemeal because can tahan lapar only, hahaha.

thanks for your feedback SydG and WIKI-san biggrin.gif
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Instead of carbo, go take a protein shake. May just work. They will take awhile to get used to.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 03:02 PM)
Instead of carbo, go take a protein shake. May just work. They will take awhile to get used to.
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What is protein shake?

From what I understand, protein is harder to convert to ATP during exercise. Carbo is the easiest one. Will it affect my exercise performance if I convert to protein shake only?
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the protein shake will also contain low fat milk and some fruits. so not toally carboless.

go google it and also for "protein shake recipes".

protein became another energy source when low carbo diets were introduced. still popular today. just have to monitor the liver and kidney functions and careful of portion intake. you still wouldn't be allowed to eat one entire chicken in a meal but at least it doesn'st get converted to fat (the reason why high protein diets are popular).
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 03:19 PM)
What is protein shake?

From what I understand, protein is harder to convert to ATP during exercise. Carbo is the easiest one. Will it affect my exercise performance if I convert to protein shake only?
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Protein is for your body's recovery. Muscle reconstruction.
Carbs is for ATP. I don't think anybody takes protein for energy......

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er... your goal is to look good or to improve performance? cant be so tamak - choose one tongue.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 03:37 PM

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My goal is to improve my cardiovascular performance and shave off some weight in the process.

I tried before once, eat very little rice and more meat. When I hit the elliptical, I can't last for more than 30 minutes, and the rowing speed is slightly below what I've expected.

However, when I makan 2 bowls nasi 3 hours before hitting the elliptical, I can last for 60 minutes, and burnt near to 1000Kcal. After that, take 10 minutes to stretch, still got energy to do weight training for another 10 minutes.

That time my calculation is like, white rice 2 bowls may supply 700Kcal, plus here plus there maybe more than 1000Kcal. So I go and exercise to burn all of them, and at the same time I improve my cardio. If wanna burn fat, when I rest only burn

This is what I have been doing for 1 month (as in eat more carb). Dont know if this is the effective way though tongue.gif


Added on April 10, 2009, 3:42 pmAnd hey, gardenia green bread looks good.

It can last, it has less carb and I am still able to perform similarly, compared to mihun / rice as my breakfast.

The downside is some burps for the 1st 15 minutes of exercise. hahaha.


Added on April 10, 2009, 3:43 pm
QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 03:24 PM)
the protein shake will also contain low fat milk and some fruits. so not toally carboless.

go google it and also for "protein shake recipes".
Thanks WIKI-san, I'll give it a try next week. smile.gif

QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 10 2009, 03:24 PM)
Protein is for your body's recovery. Muscle reconstruction.
Carbs is for ATP. I don't think anybody takes protein for energy......
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if i do cross trainer for 15 minutes and only burn 100kalorie.it s not so good is it?
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QUOTE(bunga_daisy @ Apr 10 2009, 04:06 PM)
if i do cross trainer for 15 minutes and only burn 100kalorie.it s not so good is it?
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It depends on our weight, the intensity and the speed we row.
If jogging helps us to burn more Kcal, go for it.

I personally prefer crosstrainer, because it helps me to burn the most fats. However, difference ppl have different preference and body structure smile.gif
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I wanna try other brand of whole meal bread, the gardenia taste very sweet actually. I tried take 1 slice and chew without filling, it's very sweet actually.

I ate cereal drink + 6 or 7 slice of jacob hi-fiber biscuit

Took chicken rice for lunch, super fattening, but not much choice near Uni, a quick survey reveal everything is as bad as the chicken rice.
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 10 2009, 04:19 PM)
I wanna try other brand of whole meal bread, the gardenia taste very sweet actually. I tried take 1 slice and chew without filling, it's very sweet actually.

I ate cereal drink + 6 or 7 slice of jacob hi-fiber biscuit

Took chicken rice for lunch, super fattening, but not much choice near Uni, a quick survey reveal everything is as bad as the chicken rice.
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Gardenia whole meal wor? very sweet? I think it has no taste at all ler tongue.gif

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charge-n-go : what pizzaboy and SydG mention are both correct. There is a bit more to the science of taking high protein low carbo diets though.

Protein is to build muscles and it doesn't give the energy at the same rate as carbo does. However, carbo has a bad side effect of that if it's not utilized, it will be converted to storage fat. So, say a diet like Atkins (low carbo) was to reduce the amount of sugar in the body so that the body will start to utilize the storage fat already existing in the body. The downside is that the body is selfish and doesn't want to give up emergency fuel i.e. body fat. With the huge cutdown in carbo in the Atkins Diet, they recommended protein instead, as a source of energy. I could be wrong, mind you - can't remember and the site takes a long time to excess.

There was something about protein and energy which I can't quite remember. In terms of weight loss that is, not muscle building. You'll have to goto Atkins site and dig around in the science section.

The burps will go away after a week, I would think. Body is still adjusting to the change to wholemeal.

And the reason why you can't taste the Gardenia bread as sweet, is because you're taking in a lot of refined sugar. It's probably hidden in the lunch and dinner meals since you're eating outside.

It's the same as to why Sky.Live can't taste the salt in Gardenia bread but I can, on a low sodium diet and the breads in Sarawak doesn't have a lot of salt in them.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 05:09 PM)
charge-n-go : what pizzaboy and SydG mention are both correct. There is a bit more to the science of taking high protein low carbo diets though.

There was something about protein and energy which I can't quite remember. In terms of weight loss that is, not muscle building. You'll have to goto Atkins site and dig around in the science section.

The burps will go away after a week, I would think. Body is still adjusting to the change to wholemeal.

And the reason why you can't taste the Gardenia bread as sweet, is because you're taking in a lot of refined sugar. It's probably hidden in the lunch and dinner meals since you're eating outside.

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Yes you are right on the protein. It does provide energy. The first source is the ATP-PCr system, then the glycolisys system. Glyco system divided into 2 - fast and slow. Fast one use only carbo, slow one can use carbo, protein and fats.

The problem is, when we do high intensity exercise, we need lots of carbo as primary fuel. Fats will be secondary. Protein will be the last resort.

oh yea, i eat outside food, bad for health. dem dem... sugar sugar tongue.gif


Added on April 10, 2009, 5:41 pmActually I do find a way to use more protein and fats in exercise. I just need a bit more time in gym. weekdays lunch hour too freaking short, but weekend can use that method so that I can cut most of my carb intake biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 9 2009, 11:56 PM)
You just pick the fruitwith one of the highest GI i.e. highest refined carbo. Heh! Watermelons. One packet next time and get something like guava (don't eat too much else cannot shit) or mango.

It takes awhile to get used to the new diet coz u're reducing sugar. It will take awhile. No rush.

Noodles - tang hoon or better yet, one of those alternative grain noodles in organic shop.

The side effect of reducing carbo is that when u eat refined carbo again, you get sugar headaches.

The only fruits which they sell in the canteen is this and i cannot find any vegetables meal in the canteen itself. Maybe next time i should just skip my recess meal, seriously.


Btw, how u guys calculate the fats % in ur body?

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My house cant finish 1 packet of sugar in 2 years time lol, but we eat quite salty food. I still wonder why would gardenia bread cause burping, as far as i know i only burp if i am eating spicy food and doing exercise the next thing, totally upset my stomach sometimes cant even move at all.

Any idea how to eat healthier outside? Though i am starting slow but better than nothing =/


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The only fruits which they sell in the canteen is this and i cannot find any vegetables meal in the canteen itself. Maybe next time i should just skip my recess meal, seriously.

Btw, how u guys calculate the fats % in ur body?
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it's through a machine usually available in fitness center. I done a test in a fitness center before, my fat % is like 30%+ = =" that guy keep insist i join their membership elses i gonna die soon

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Btw, how u guys calculate the fats % in ur body?
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Got a device to measure one.


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Any idea how to eat healthier outside? Though i am starting slow but better than nothing =/
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sendiri cook, hahaha
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 10 2009, 05:48 PM)
My house cant finish 1 packet of sugar in 2 years time lol, but we eat quite salty food. I still wonder why would gardenia bread cause burping, as far as i know i only burp if i am eating spicy food and doing exercise the next thing, totally upset my stomach sometimes cant even move at all.

Any idea how to eat healthier outside? Though i am starting slow but better than nothing =/


Added on April 10, 2009, 5:49 pm
it's through a machine usually available in fitness center. I done a test in a fitness center before, my fat % is like 30%+ = =" that guy keep insist i join their membership elses i gonna die soon
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Icic. thx for the info.


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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 10 2009, 05:48 PM)
it's through a machine usually available in fitness center. I done a test in a fitness center before, my fat % is like 30%+ = =" that guy keep insist i join their membership elses i gonna die soon
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LOL, curse u like that, wtf.
eh, 30% is high... if you are 100kg, you are actually carrying 3x 10kg rice walking around tongue.gif
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I still can't shallow my ego and go for jogging . Any advice for this? I know i need to reduce my weight by jogging. Can't find a friend to start with me. cry.gif
Do u guys think i should hit back de gym and lose my weight from the gym? I dont want to build any muscles 1st be4 losing my weight.


Btw, is there any other method to measure fats in ur body than the machine ?
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How many gramme of EGO you will lose if you go for jogging?

Yes, there are equipment to measure body fat. They are available in the gym or the pharmacies...etc...
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 10 2009, 06:09 PM)
How many gramme of EGO you will lose if you go for jogging?

Yes, there are equipment to measure body fat. They are available in the gym or the pharmacies...etc...
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Wa, so sarcastic...... lol. none
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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 06:17 PM)
Wa, so sarcastic...... lol. none
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since when do you need low ego to go jogging?

Body fat calculator: http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/GallagherBodyfat.php
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RICHard - Dont mean to be evilish but need to be point blank and bring you back down to earth. Jogging aint lowering anyone ego. It boost up one stamina, metabolism, health level, etc......

Let's put on your running shoes and give me 5 laps......

ps: my apology for being marginally sarky.

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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:56 PM)
I still can't shallow my ego and go for jogging . Any advice for this? I know i need to reduce my weight by jogging. Can't find a friend to start with me.  cry.gif
Do u guys think i should hit back de gym and lose my weight from the gym? I dont want to build any muscles 1st be4 losing my weight.
Btw, is there any other method to measure fats in ur body than the machine ?
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dude, please share your personal data here, as in your BMI, weight and etc.

Diet wise, please consult WIKI-san smile.gif
I'll see what I can help you from exercise perspective.

It's because, if you are too overweight, jogging hurts.


If you have the ego, don't f***ing care about getting a friend.
Do it alone, and show your friends around that you can do it all by yourself!

I myself workout alone since 1 year ago, later on some friends who wanna keep fit come and join me, and all of them left because cannot tahan. And today, I am still doing workout myself.

I shift my gym time from after work to lunch hour, so that I can be the only one in gym, it's even easier for me to do all kind of stunts I wanted. I can half way jogging suddenly change to rowing, then suddenly change to cycling and etc. whistling.gif

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The gardenia wholemeal bread is causing burping because it's a change in diet. When changing from a lifetime of refined carbo to complex carbo, the stomach is still trying to adjust itself to getting used to it. Hence the burping.

Body Fat : I'm not bothered about this so much. I rather look at a mirror and just my weight and inches. Too many things to jaga and more demoralizing later if things don't turn out well. And the biggest source of fat is the brain. How to remove fat from the brain? Aiyo....


Added on April 10, 2009, 7:37 pmrichard : start by walking. then increase the distance. once your heart is more steady, start jogging. if cannot jog far, it's ok. jog - walk - jog - walk.

I'm overweight. VERY OVERWEIGHT. Didn't care what ppl said. Started at 5 min. Then 2 days later 10 min. Increase every other day. Now can do 20-30 min walking. Slowly building up coz of heart problems and I tend to panic when I feel too much palpitations.

On the flipside, clean your house to build up some slight cardio. Then go jogging. I'm serious here.


Added on April 10, 2009, 7:39 pmrichard : majority of ladies in H&F are EVIL. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 07:35 PM)
The gardenia wholemeal bread is causing burping because it's a change in diet. When changing from a lifetime of refined carbo to complex carbo, the stomach is still trying to adjust itself to getting used to it. Hence the burping.

Body Fat : I'm not bothered about this so much. I rather look at a mirror and just my weight and inches. Too many things to jaga and more demoralizing later if things don't turn out well. And the biggest source of fat is the brain. How to remove fat from the brain? Aiyo....
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thanks for the explanation WIKI-san smile.gif

I really care about my fat %, because I exercise to improve my performance. Weight loss is one of my criteria too, as in weight loss in fats only, hahaha.

There was once, I decreased to 70kg. I do look alot thinner. However, my body does not seem to be as responsive as before when I spar with people. After the % fat test, GOSH, my muscle actually shrink sad.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 07:40 PM)
thanks for the explanation WIKI-san smile.gif

I really care about my fat %, because I exercise to improve my performance. Weight loss is one of my criteria too, as in weight loss in fats only, hahaha.

There was once, I decreased to 70kg. I do look alot thinner. However, my body does not seem to be as responsive as before when I spar with people. After the % fat test, GOSH, my muscle actually shrink sad.gif
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Np. The day I switch to this low sodium low fat low carbo diet, I was burping and buang angin for 2 weeks before things finally settled.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 07:35 PM)
I'm overweight. VERY OVERWEIGHT. Didn't care what ppl said. Started at 5 min. Then 2 days later 10 min. Increase every other day. Now can do 20-30 min walking. Slowly building up coz of heart problems and I tend to panic when I feel too much palpitations.

On the flipside, clean your house to build up some slight cardio. Then go jogging. I'm serious here.
Yes, you are absolutely right.
I am coaching a fren who is super overweight too.
The same method applies to him.

1st, make exercise a daily routine. walk 20 minutes per day.

2nd, increase cardiovascular. I asked him to do multiple light punches with slight skipping. Less leg related exercise because he is too heavy for that.

3rd, must let him see results. Don't care about % fat. Weight and waist measurement matters the most to him.


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Np. The day I switch to this low sodium low fat low carbo diet, I was burping and buang angin for 2 weeks before things finally settled.
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Fuhh... 2 weeks. I have to endure then. biggrin.gif

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Body Fat : I'm not bothered about this so much. I rather look at a mirror and just my weight and inches. Too many things to jaga and more demoralizing later if things don't turn out well. And the biggest source of fat is the brain. How to remove fat from the brain? Aiyo....


i still think you should measure BF now and later...so that you know that you are burning fat .....not muscle, etc. There is equipment to measure weight, trunk measurement (something gotta with waistline fat), visceral fat, BF, Body age, muscle percentage, ,etc.......go check it out at the pharmacies.....


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I'm overweight. VERY OVERWEIGHT. Didn't care what ppl said. Started at 5 min. Then 2 days later 10 min. Increase every other day. Now can do 20-30 min walking. Slowly building up coz of heart problems and I tend to panic when I feel too much palpitations.


This is waht we called FULLEST COMMITMENT.


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On the flipside, clean your house to build up some slight cardio. Then go jogging. I'm serious here.


Wifey alwiz hints on me. "Wanna do cardio, dear" She actually refer to mopping the house dining hall. cry.gif

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Body Fat : using those things that measure the electrical signals through the body comes at a risk although the chances of me getting pregnant is pretty slim (pregnant ladies are usually advised not to use those scales i think, saw one wiht a warning once). And they're not exactly that accurate. 2 different systems gave me a body fat of 66% and 44%. Pelik. The caliper is more accurate but can't find it here.

Tengster : Be a man and do it. Earns you brownie points in the long run and how else can you show that you have the great cardio that you built up at the gym?

Trust me when I say that mopping the floor is easier than cleaning the bathroom. When you have to clean every tile gap so that it doesn't get mouldy, well, trust me, it's worst.


Added on April 10, 2009, 8:12 pmcharge-n-go : hope your friend makes it. after a week i felt lighter and better. still get tired out after cooking session or shopping. after 2 weeks, a lot better.

fullest commitment : thanks for the compliment. slowly getting there. i just made sure that the targets are achievable and short. if i see the total i hve to lose, i'd freak. so i just focus 1 kg per week.

i have a calendar that i mark down how much i weigh for that morning.

hmmm... and it was a shock to hear from colleagues who were interesting in weight loss and keeping healthy and how many had high BP or had friends/relatives who had it. So, there were a lot of people out there who really wanted to get healthier.

next week, am starting that 10 min lunch walk (not brisk coz it's just after lunch) and perhaps a short 30 min brisk walk after work with colleagues at the small gym in the office.

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myremi: Actually, I am doing it from time to time. I have good experience in mopping floor (nothing to shout about) since college days. Need to mop hell of a large area in angmorh dinning hall to earn some bucks to survive.......no complaint about mopping. it's just part of the housechore I share with wifey......just dont ask me to iron clothes....that will surely up my blood pressure.
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Ironing clothes actually made me sweat a lot. Surprisingly, can lose a lot of weight with that activity, strangely. smile.gif

It also teaches you on stress management. >.> I'm serious here. Hee hee!

(But if you were smart, you would have bought an industrial steamer like the departmental stores have. I'm still looking for one. Need to find out where to find it in KL.)

See, where there is a will, there is a way. smile.gif I'm a damn lazy bugger. tongue.gif
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I would rather vacuum, wash cars, mop, sweep, clean the fan, etc.......
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damn, housework is my life, because I don't even have a washing machine. Everyday oso need to train my muscle to twist.

but the thing is, i never sweat when doing housework. Cannot consider as exercise tongue.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 08:31 PM)
damn, housework is my life, because I don't even have a washing machine. Everyday oso need to train my muscle to twist.

but the thing is, i never sweat when doing housework. Cannot consider as exercise tongue.gif
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charge-n-go : i think your housework performance indicator aren't ours. tongue.gif
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come come, list down your housework. See how heavy they are biggrin.gif
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bathroom : walls must be clean, no marks on them. toilet bowl white and no brown stains. behind the throne as well. shower head + all taps shining that you can see your face. no hair in any of the drain holes.

mop : cannot feel the dust on your feet at all. totally cannot feel it. also cannot feel the stickiness of soap.

washing clothes : no yellow stains around collar and armpits of white/beige coloured shirts. all stains removed, especially oil stains.
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I just swim 1km with 3 pack of 10 kg rice pack xD.
Worse still i am swimming some very strange style, very wrong style i guess lol.

Those people must be wondering what is the monster trying to do.
Took me 50mins to swim the whole course @@, i wanted to enroll for swimming course but somehow seeing so much small kid in the class ego keeps me away again > <

Btw where are most of you all from?
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 09:26 PM)
bathroom : walls must be clean, no marks on them. toilet bowl white and no brown stains. behind the throne as well. shower head + all taps shining that you can see your face. no hair in any of the drain holes.

mop : cannot feel the dust on your feet at all. totally cannot feel it. also cannot feel the stickiness of soap.

washing clothes : no yellow stains around collar and armpits of white/beige coloured shirts. all stains removed, especially oil stains.
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but i think, the difference should be our definition of no mark, no dust and no stain, hahaha.


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I just swim 1km with 3 pack of 10 kg rice pack xD.
Worse still i am swimming some very strange style, very wrong style i guess lol.

Those people must be wondering what is the monster trying to do. 
Took me 50mins to swim the whole course @@, i wanted to enroll for swimming course but somehow seeing so much small kid in the class ego keeps me away again > <

Btw where are most of you all from?
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you are carrying 3 bags of oil. This may equat to wearing 3 buoy. you will always float tongue.gif

I am from PJ, but working in Penang. what about you?

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Lol, i hate doing housework to perfection, doing a fast and rough housework, vaccum + mobbing whole floor only 30mins. But if do it in detail.. half day gone..

I am from Cheras, i wonder any swimming pool which open in the morning? hate to swim in the evening always rain. hehe i guess my floating capacities must be good
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try different swimming styles. it's interesting. although backstroke is relaxing, very hard to swim in a straight line and not bang ppl.

I'm in Kuching, Sarawak. Very hot atm.
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what level do you put?
I usually stay constant at level 7 and jog at speed 6.0 (66 - 70rpm like tat).

On top of that, I am heavier, so burn more Kcal tongue.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 10 2009, 06:26 PM)
RICHard - Dont mean to be evilish but need to be point blank and bring you back down to earth. Jogging aint lowering anyone ego. It boost up one stamina, metabolism, health level, etc......

Let's put on your running shoes and give me 5 laps......

ps: my apology for being marginally sarky.
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I want to but i got a problem getting a new and right shoe for me right now.My old ones are really crappy liao, had been using them for my tennis session since last 3 years. I dont mind about the price ( < rm300) is still okay for me but to find a UK12 in malaysia is very hard. I even tried hunting them during my overseas trip with my family but to no avail. cry.gif mayb seriously need o order them at the shop in my town.

QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 07:32 PM)
dude, please share your personal data here, as in your BMI, weight and etc.

Diet wise, please consult WIKI-san smile.gif
I'll see what I can help you from exercise perspective.

It's because, if you are too overweight, jogging hurts.
If you have the ego, don't f***ing care about getting a friend.
Do it alone, and show your friends around that you can do it all by yourself!

I myself workout alone since 1 year ago, later on some friends who wanna keep fit come and join me, and all of them left because cannot tahan. And today, I am still doing workout myself.

I shift my gym time from after work to lunch hour, so that I can be the only one in gym, it's even easier for me to do all kind of stunts I wanted. I can half way jogging suddenly change to rowing, then suddenly change to cycling and etc.  whistling.gif
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BMI : 33+- weight is 115kg , height would be 185cm.

I am still a student. thus i still need to concentrate on my studies, might spare about 1hour-30min for jogging but it would be to tired for me to study after the jog, most probably it will.

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 07:35 PM)
The gardenia wholemeal bread is causing burping because it's a change in diet. When changing from a lifetime of refined carbo to complex carbo, the stomach is still trying to adjust itself to getting used to it. Hence the burping.

Body Fat : I'm not bothered about this so much. I rather look at a mirror and just my weight and inches. Too many things to jaga and more demoralizing later if things don't turn out well. And the biggest source of fat is the brain. How to remove fat from the brain? Aiyo....


Added on April 10, 2009, 7:37 pmrichard : start by walking. then increase the distance. once your heart is more steady, start jogging. if cannot jog far, it's ok. jog - walk - jog - walk.

I'm overweight. VERY OVERWEIGHT. Didn't care what ppl said. Started at 5 min. Then 2 days later 10 min. Increase every other day. Now can do 20-30 min walking. Slowly building up coz of heart problems and I tend to panic when I feel too much palpitations.

On the flipside, clean your house to build up some slight cardio. Then go jogging. I'm serious here.


Added on April 10, 2009, 7:39 pmrichard : majority of ladies in H&F are EVIL.  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Lol.. there are really evil ones around but lucky they are still helpful. blush.gif would be trying to jog - walk - jog - walk. if i could wake up tomorrow morning, i will go for a jog with my tennis shoe.

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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 10 2009, 11:02 PM)
u mean crosstrainer or bike?i usually put Level 1-4 wink.gif
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I use cross trainer.
I have a friend, 55kg, 163cm, he also likes cross trainer.
Level 5 at 60rpm burns about 8Kcal per minute. That will make 480kCal per hour.
Perhaps you can give a try wink.gif


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I want to but i got a problem getting a new and right shoe for me right now. I dont mind about the price ( < rm300) is  still okay for me but to find a UK12 in malaysia is very hard. I even tried hunting them during my overseas trip with my family but to no avail.  cry.gif mayb seriously need to order them at the shop in my town.
BMI : 33+- weight is 115kg , height would be 185cm.

I am still a student. thus i still need to concentrate on my studies, might spare about 1hour-30min for jogging but it would be to tired for me to study after the jog, most probably it will.
115kg is too heavy to jog. Easiest way is to walk uphill consistently for more than 20 minutes.
Student life is muh easier compare to working life dude. Don't find this as excuse.
And dont complain about shoe. most of my friends who do regular exercise, they dont freaking care about that. Can wear can ady. We focus on burning fats and improving our body! Jogging is merely a tool for us to achieve our goals only.
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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:19 PM)
I want to but i got a problem getting a new and right shoe for me right now.My old ones are really crappy liao, had been using them for my tennis session since last 3 years. I dont mind about the price ( < rm300) is  still okay for me but to find a UK12 in malaysia is very hard. I even tried hunting them during my overseas trip with my family but to no avail.  cry.gif mayb seriously need o order them at the shop in my town.
BMI : 33+- weight is 115kg , height would be 185cm.

I am still a student. thus i still need to concentrate on my studies, might spare about 1hour-30min for jogging but it would be to tired for me to study after the jog, most probably it will.
Lol.. there are really evil ones around but lucky they are still helpful.  blush.gif  would be trying to jog - walk - jog - walk. if i could wake up tomorrow morning, i will go for a jog with my tennis shoe.
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Big mistake is NOT using a proper walking/running shoe. Tennis shoe aint doing good for heavy person. Poor cushion will lead to massive impact to your knee. I just bought apair of Brooks that is quite good for running. check out the website www.brooksrunning.com. Click for the shoe advisor part. I paid about RM300. The shoe is simply good and make running more enjoyable.

You can also look at Asics, Saucony, Nike, etc....

You may wanna start with walking......and up the pace....and then slight jog (1 minute) and then brisk walk (1 minute)....keep doing that for 30-40minutes....after a few weeks....up the pace again....eventually, you can do pure jogging.......Keep the exercise within 1hour...and then rest for awhile before heading for school.

where do you stay?

disclaimer - I dont work for Brooks neither do I sell shoes. I am use a consumer.
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In my opinion, shoe isn't that important. I used to jog barefoot for 5 years. If one have the willpower to do, no matter what also can do.

Now I only use Bata Power jogging shoe. RM39.99 promotion price. Use 1 year still good.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:24 PM)
I use cross trainer.
I have a friend, 55kg, 163cm, he also likes cross trainer.
Level 5 at 60rpm burns about 8Kcal per minute. That will make 480kCal per hour.
Perhaps you can give a try wink.gif
115kg is too heavy to jog. Easiest way is to walk uphill consistently for more than 20 minutes.
Student life is muh easier compare to working life dude. Don't find this as excuse.
And dont complain about shoe. most of my friends who do regular exercise, they dont freaking care about that. Can wear can ady. We focus on burning fats and improving our body! Jogging is merely a tool for us to achieve our goals only.
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No hills nearby my house. Any other alternatives? Seriously i need a comfortable shoe for my own feet. I wouldn't want my feet to ache when i am doing my excercises.

QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 10 2009, 11:35 PM)
Big mistake is NOT using a proper walking/running shoe. Tennis shoe aint doing good for heavy person. Poor cushion will lead to massive impact to your knee. I just bought apair of Brooks that is quite good for running. check out the website www.brooksrunning.com. Click for the shoe advisor part. I paid about RM300. The shoe is simply good and make running more enjoyable.

You can also look at Asics, Saucony, Nike, etc....

You may wanna start with walking......and up the pace....and then slight jog (1 minute) and then brisk walk (1 minute)....keep doing that for 30-40minutes....after a few weeks....up the pace again....eventually, you can do pure jogging.......Keep the exercise within 1hour...and then rest for awhile before heading for school.

where do you stay?

disclaimer - I dont work for Brooks neither do I sell shoes. I am use a consumer.
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Thats the only 1 i can use right now be4 finding a real suitable and comfortable shoes which has the size which i want.

Btw, i stay in perak. SPM taker this year. cry.gif


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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:40 PM)
In my opinion, shoe isn't that important. I used to jog barefoot for 5 years. If one have the willpower to do, no matter what also can do.

Now I only use Bata Power jogging shoe. RM39.99 promotion price. Use 1 year still good.
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You are still young. Wait until older. Then you realise that some of the backaches is due to poor shoe selection.

Also, you'll feel the difference between a Bata Power jogging shoe and a good shoe. Never tried Brookes. Nike didn't last me. Have used New Balance and very impressed with the fact that it provided very good support.


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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:41 PM)
No hills nearby my house. Any other alternatives? Seriously i need a comfortable shoe for my own feet. I wouldn't want my feet to ache when i am doing my excercises.
Thats the only 1 i can use right now be4 finding a real suitable and comfortable shoes which has the size which i want.

Btw, i stay in perak. SPM taker this year.  cry.gif
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Walk around the neighbourhood. That's a good start.

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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:41 PM)
No hills nearby my house. Any other alternatives? Seriously i need a comfortable shoe for my own feet. I wouldn't want my feet to ache when i am doing my excercises.
Thats the only 1 i can use right now be4 finding a real suitable and comfortable shoes which has the size which i want.
Actually, better wear no shoe than wearing wrong shoe. This is my experience.

If there is no hill, then walk faster for longer duration. A very very light jog can be performed too. Just make sure you must hit at least 20 minutes. Less than 20 minutes, the exercise is pretty useless. It will only burn carbo, not fats.

Slowly increase the duration up to 60 minutes. Perhaps you can increase 5 minutes every week.
Light aerobic can be done everyday. Don't listen to BS like cannot exercise everyday, else will die.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:40 PM)
In my opinion, shoe isn't that important. I used to jog barefoot for 5 years. If one have the willpower to do, no matter what also can do.

Now I only use Bata Power jogging shoe. RM39.99 promotion price. Use 1 year still good.
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Icic. ~_~ well thats individual preferences actually.

Btw, tengster which shoe did u bought , the model to be precise.

Off-topic: how can i make an add-on reply?
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 11:45 PM)
You are still young. Wait until older. Then you realise that some of the backaches is due to poor shoe selection.
in my martial arts training, we train on barefoot. I have been training under 3 masters, and all of them used to jog barefoot and kick barefoot on rough road. They still can jog with bare foot even at the age of 50+. Its a matter of training and body conditioning.

It works for me so far. But the rules in gym is to get a pair of shoes, so I have no choice tongue.gif

of course, if we don't plan to go through this kind of conditioning, then get a pair of shoes that suit us.


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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:40 PM)
In my opinion, shoe isn't that important. I used to jog barefoot for 5 years. If one have the willpower to do, no matter what also can do.

Now I only use Bata Power jogging shoe. RM39.99 promotion price. Use 1 year still good.
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if one is heavy, it's more important. I mean proper jogging/running shoe. It may not be the branded one. I dont discount Bata produce good shoe.

115kg tramp on barefoot. I cant imagine the consequence. Maybe his age and recovery allow him to stay okie........
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 10 2009, 11:45 PM)
You are still young. Wait until older. Then you realise that some of the backaches is due to poor shoe selection.

Also, you'll feel the difference between a Bata Power jogging shoe and a good shoe. Never tried Brookes. Nike didn't last me. Have used New Balance and very impressed with the fact that it provided very good support.


Added on April 10, 2009, 11:46 pm

Walk around the neighbourhood. That's a good start.
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Heard new balance provide pretty good shoes from my brother. If i have the chance, would really love to check it out.

QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:48 PM)
Actually, better wear no shoe than wearing wrong shoe. This is my experience.

If there is no hill, then walk faster for longer duration. A very very light jog can be performed too. Just make sure you must hit at least 20 minutes. Less than 20 minutes, the exercise is pretty useless. It will only burn carbo, not fats.

Slowly increase the duration up to 60 minutes. Perhaps you can increase 5 minutes every week.
Light aerobic can be done everyday. Don't listen to BS like cannot exercise everyday, else will die.
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Means i just jog continuesly for 20min or i can stop for a brisk walk in between? mind explaining in detail?

Off-topic : any1 know any shops in KL that really sells big size shoes like UK12 and above? My bro is in KL if i go out he should be able to fetch me if he dont have any classes that day.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 10 2009, 11:52 PM)
if one is heavy, it's more important. I mean proper jogging/running shoe. It may not be the branded one. I dont discount Bata produce good shoe.

115kg tramp on barefoot. I cant imagine the consequence. Maybe his age and recovery allow him to stay okie........
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land soft when walking or running. This will train the muscles around ankle, thus strengthening the ankle.
It's awkward at first, but when train long enough, one can have really strong ankle, thus increasing the leaping potential.


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Means i just jog continuesly for 20min or i can stop for a brisk walk in between? mind explaining in detail?
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No walk in between that 20 minutes. js continue to jog, but at slower pace.
after 20 minutes, if still can jog, just do it.
if not, then walk. BUT don't sit down. just continue to walk for at least 5 minutes before sitting down.

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:55 PM)
land soft when walking or running. This will train the muscles around ankle, thus strengthening the ankle.
It's awkward at first, but when train long enough, one can have really strong ankle, thus increasing the leaping potential.
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weight = 115kg
jogging speed = 8kmh

Can you imagine the momentum? the impact on the knee......it may be good to train the ankle but hurt the knee......no point having strong ankle with injured knee.......

I have seen Indian runner at young age run barefoot but they are conditioned in such way since young......Even Kenyan runners nowadays run with proper running shoe.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 10 2009, 11:59 PM)
weight = 115kg
jogging speed = 8kmh

Can you imagine the momentum? the impact on the knee......it may be good to train the ankle but hurt the knee......no point having strong ankle with injured knee.......

I have seen Indian runner at young age run barefoot but they are conditioned in such way since young......Even Kenyan runners nowadays run with proper running shoe.
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he is still young mah.

and at that weight and BMI, i wont even recommend jogging at 8kph. walking fast at 6kph is the best exercise now.
If wanna jog, train the knee and ankle first. Start with squats.

Most martial artists don't wear shoe, and they still can do stunts like super high jump flying kick and land on barefoot. The key is, before learn how to fly, must learn how to crawl. I am just stating there are possibilities to run with no shoe at all, just need a lot of conditioning.

In race, no shoe sure lose to those with proper shoes la tongue.gif

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:52 PM)
in my martial arts training, we train on barefoot. I have been training under 3 masters, and all of them used to jog barefoot and kick barefoot on rough road. They still can jog with bare foot even at the age of 50+. Its a matter of training and body conditioning.

It works for me so far. But the rules in gym is to get a pair of shoes, so I have no choice tongue.gif

of course, if we don't plan to go through this kind of conditioning, then get a pair of shoes that suit us.
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Your sifus have also undergone the mental training that beginners don't undergo and they would have also gone on strict regimes for breathing and pain tolerance. Same for you too.

But newcomers wouldn't have been able to follow you and your sifus unless they are willing and have the endurance for the journey. Not everyone is cut out for that kind of endurance training. It's also probably not advisable for him to try it out without someone to guide him along.

Gotta weigh the pros and cons of suggestions on this forum. Even I'm not that good at this. >.<
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:55 PM)


Added on April 10, 2009, 11:57 pm
No walk in between that 20 minutes. js continue to jog, but at slower pace.
after 20 minutes, if still can jog, just do it.
if not, then walk. BUT don't sit down. just continue to walk for at least 5 minutes before sitting down.
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Jogging for 20min continuously is too hard for me , even for 8min i think it is really like wanting to die liao. I knew it because the school got test students to run 1.5km during the PJPK lesson. I jog for about 400meter already need to walk for 100m then only start jogging back for 100m.

I knew it because the school field is 200m per round and we have to jog/run for 7.5 rounds.
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chill bro.
1st you jog for 200m, then go for fast walk for 20 minutes.


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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 11 2009, 12:05 AM)
Gotta weigh the pros and cons of suggestions on this forum. Even I'm not that good at this. >.<
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haha, in my 1st suggestion, i recommend richard to walk. walk barefoot ok one la. can start conditioning from that point mah.
now richard decided to have a good pair of shoe, so just let it be smile.gif

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 10 2009, 11:24 PM)
I use cross trainer.
I have a friend, 55kg, 163cm, he also likes cross trainer.
Level 5 at 60rpm burns about 8Kcal per minute. That will make 480kCal per hour.
Perhaps you can give a try wink.gif
115kg is too heavy to jog. Easiest way is to walk uphill consistently for more than 20 minutes.
Student life is muh easier compare to working life dude. Don't find this as excuse.
And dont complain about shoe. most of my friends who do regular exercise, they dont freaking care about that. Can wear can ady. We focus on burning fats and improving our body! Jogging is merely a tool for us to achieve our goals only.
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i see,i use crosstrainer too smile.gif crosstrainer is all of those cardio machines,i mostly like one tongue.gif i will try level 5 next time then wink.gif thx for u suggestion laugh.gif

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i used to play barefoot on basketball court (concrete ground) when i was still young (primary school days) everyday, my skin didn't peel off can i can run like others too. But after i stopped for a few years and continue, now i cant do anything barefoot as my skin might peel off.

i dont have any specific shoe for specific purpose, i use a nike free, it's comfortable but provides no support at all to your feet.

I am feeling the ache now after swimming 1km with 3 pack of white rice, i tried swim free style at first but cant even make it a lap initially (have not swim for like 2 years lol) after few more laps i manage to finish a lap with freestyle but with all wrong pose. i use breast stroke as resting in between. And it's odd to swim back stroke as it's difficult to see forward summore doing it in a crowded public pool.


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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:19 PM)
BMI : 33+- weight is 115kg , height would be 185cm.

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I am 178cm with your weight, guess my situation is more much severe than you icon_question.gif .
Dont feel too upset yet

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With swimming, remember to take a short break. 1-2 min will do. And then start again. You just might find your second wind.

I used to also thread water for a few min. Sometimes 10-15 min. Helps to strengthen the leg muscles and arm muscles.


Added on April 11, 2009, 11:51 amCompetitive breaststroke is hard. I used to get whack by the trainer because I don't kick out well.

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you have a trainer before?

My trainer went to pursue his higher studies after i just learn for a month, not much i have learned there

in breaststroke my leg is not doing the job at all, my arm is much more tiring
Even my ankles hurt a bit, i wonder why

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My Dad put me and my sis into training when we were 9 and 11 yo respectively.

Maybe ankles need stretching? Either that or your ankles need strengthening or they were taxed because of high heels or improper posture?

My problem before was the kicking out. I wasn't using tilting my feet enough that I was using the inner side of the feet when pushing my body forward. Kena nag like yell.

Do some water treading, practicing the move. Also, get a kickboard and go a few times just getting your kicks rite, I guess.
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yeap my ankle is quite stiff, i cant even sit in a kneeling position ( those Japanese tea ceremony sittings? ) it really hurt. I have a very strong joints, good is that i am not easily injured, bad thing is that it's very stiff =/
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Stiff and strong joints will easily hurt when we become old (esp after 50 year old). It's because we are just too old, and our strong joint will become not-so-strong already. Without enough flexibility, a lil more push and we will sprain, haha. Oh well, I am not even 50 year old, but started to have some feel now. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 11 2009, 12:36 PM)
yeap my ankle is quite stiff, i cant even sit in a kneeling position ( those Japanese tea ceremony sittings? ) it really hurt. I have a very strong joints, good is that i am not easily injured, bad thing is that it's very stiff =/
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Contrary to what you may think, strong joints doesn't mean bad flexibility. In fact, flexible joints actually help AVOID injuries.

Take two people, one who's flexible and one who's as stiff as a bloody stone with rock hard strong joints and jump on them. The one who's flexible is able to bend and absorb the impact while the rock stiff guy will likely, occur injuries because of the impact. Ever noticed when a weightlifter cleans a weight (gets it from the floor to teh shoulder), they always rebend their knees? This is to absorb the impact from the weight as it "POPS!" out of their shoulder when standing.

You just need to stretch your ankle. Google this. "Tricking stretching" There's a site that teaches a lot of stretching. It's a tricking/free running site but it's got good info. Even free running needs good flexibility. When they jump and land, they always rebound and roll to minimize impact.

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yes pizzaboy, you are absolutely right. A grass can stand wind better than a tree due to its flexibility.
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Side note : Just pick up another book. "Healthy for Life : Developing Healthy Lifestyle that have a side effect of permanent fat loss" by Dr. Strand and Donna Wallace. Surprisingly, the book is easy to read and apparently using GI index by itself may not be so good. He suggested using another indicator known as Glycemic Load.

Only done 1/4 of the book to read. Looks like a good buy.

Planning what to cook tomorrow - banana nut bread (need to get out and get pecans). Also, maybe another casserole and do a potato soup for Granny (the trick is to add in 1-2 pcs of bacon before blending it).

Also roasting an eggplant later and then add in some homemade tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese in it.

Hmm...and maybe need some cucumber + tomato to make some salsa salad.

Errr...although I should warn you that even though it sounds nice to read here, it doesn't always come out looking nice. LOL!


Added on April 11, 2009, 2:13 pmOh, and recipe books for the cooking tip were :200 budget meals and 200 one pot meals by hamlyn. Both books from local bookstore. RM18.90 each.

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look at my lunch i just prepared xD. I just tried Goodday low fat milk, it taste exactly same like the fresh milk i am drink + it is much more expensive.

Australia Carrot + sweet corn + cabbage + chicken fillet + tomato + salt + vinegar + extra virgin olive oil.
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hahaha, I just took Pizzahut garden salad as my lunch just now. No mayonese and salad sauce of course tongue.gif
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I always fail to keep my back straight when i stretch

the stretch here is pretty good, it range from the beginner one to the advance, with humorous comments.
http://www.trickstutorials.com/index.php?page=content/flx3
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 11 2009, 03:17 PM)
look at my lunch i just prepared xD. I just tried Goodday low fat milk, it taste exactly same like the fresh milk i am drink + it is much more expensive.

Australia Carrot + sweet corn + cabbage + chicken fillet + tomato + salt + vinegar + extra virgin olive oil.
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Looks nice. Try with grated carrot, slightly different flavour. Boil chicken with thyme or rosemary and pepper.

Some of my meals : http://www.mum-mum.info/

Lazy to update.

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good lunch Sky-Live........

my lunch is 4 slices of wholemeal bread with microwaved sliced of chicken breast...with wifey-made coffee........that's all........

Sky-Live and RICHard....you two are now like One kati vs 600gramme....You two should just motivate in each and us (all) while executing all your weight loss program.

Go Go Go...burn all the unnecesary FAT.
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I cant take pepper, it makes me feel awful.

your blog looks so great, mine are so noob T.T
http://blog.sky2live.com


Added on April 11, 2009, 4:05 pmLol, i am not losing any weight yet til now, maybe i am still eating too much, cant take too drastic changes in short moment of time.

with so many flexible training in that site, really hard to pick out from them

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thank you for sharing your blogs on diet, WIKI-san and Sky.Live.

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errr...my blog in the early days very fatty lah. 1st food blog in Malaysia and that was back in 2003. smile.gif Then in 2004-2005, lost mood already. Got distracted by online games. Trying to do again but hai, no mood. Distract by LYn forums.

And your lunches were healthier than mine. mix grain + taugeh + curry chicken (no santan + no milk).

Roasting some brinjal atm. Never knew that it has a lot of worms in them. Seriously. Speaking to Granny, she mention it's very common. If no worms, then alot of pesticides for brinjal and have to remove the skin.


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my lunch is 4 slices of wholemeal bread with microwaved sliced of chicken breast...with wifey-made coffee........that's all........
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Options for micrwave sliced chicken breast

1. get one of those tenderizer (kitchen equipment, not the liquid tenderizer made from papaya enzymes) and pound the chicken breast a bit. then balut it with some chopped dried fruit or fresh fruit and then zap it. dried fruit - prune, mango, cranberries, raisin. fresh fruit - pineapple, apple, mango, orange.

2. squeeze some lemon juice or lime juice and since you're in KL, some fresh dill. dried dill will do too.

3. rub some balsamic vinegar and then a dash of herbs e.g. rosemary, thyme, oregano.

4. 5-spice poweder (the best ones are from the traditional chinese medicine shop. always more fragrant than even some of the locally packaged ones) and some ginger + onion strips.

All seasonings are calorie free. Some are expensive to buy in the beginning (I ended up with nearly 10 bottles each costing RM11-RM18, some are in packets of RM4 each though) but they will last you over a year.

Since I started this diet, I have a lot of seasonings, on top of my Granny's asian seasoning.



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good lunch Sky-Live........

my lunch is 4 slices of wholemeal bread with microwaved sliced of chicken breast...with wifey-made coffee........that's all........

Sky-Live and RICHard....you two are now like One kati vs 600gramme....You two should just motivate in each and us (all) while executing all your weight loss program.

Go Go Go...burn all the unnecesary FAT.
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Hmm.... real pepper tastes very different from the commercial pepper in supermarkets because the commercial pepper would have been soak with chilli seeds.

My Granny has a small pepper vine at the back of her garden. When I first tasted the pepper powder that was grinded from the peppercorn, there was no immediate spicy taste but a nice aftertaste. And when added into dishes, the flavouring became very different from the commercial pepper.

Probably don't use too much of the commercial one. Or try to look for the ones that says Sarawak Pepper by the Sarawak Pepper Board.

http://www.pam4you.com/pages/products/oliveoil/index.jsp : Just bought this spray last Friday. RM11 per bottle, ouch. Trying it out to see if it can really help ppl lose weight or not.

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Also, the roasted brinjal after 20 min @ 200C (Gas Mark 5 I think) in the oven. Later on, will make some tomato sauce with tomato and onion, put on top with some mozzarella and back it again.

The white paper is baking paper sprayed with the PAM olive oil sprayed on the sheet and then on top of the brinjal.

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My house's pepper are bought from sarawak by my relative, i am born in Sabah in fact but grown up in KL. It is in seed form and need to punch it to powder, my sister is a pepper lover, when she cook i always complain.

Your brinjal looks great but i dont take brinjal, only exceptionally once which my grandma plant herself which taste so great, those bought from the market, yucks.. > <

@richard
I'm from KL chears

BTW, how to reduce stretch mark?

also thinking what elses i can add to my salad on next time, so far thought of onion ring, lettuce, purple cabbage, celeri. Thought of adding some nuts too
Any other dressing?

p/s found this site
http://nutrition.about.com/od/healthymainm.../mmm_salads.htm

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hahaha, I just took Pizzahut garden salad as my lunch just now. No mayonese and salad sauce of course tongue.gif
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Didja know that all that wonderful vitamins and minerals, cannot be absorbed without fat? You throwing the mayonnaise away, well ....you get what I'm saying.
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Didja know that all that wonderful vitamins and minerals, cannot be absorbed without fat? You throwing the mayonnaise away, well ....you get what I'm saying.
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There's such a thing called olive oil which is usually found in italian dressing and french dressing. The mayo tends to be higher in fat compared to ordinary olive oil.

Only thing is, I dunno whether pizzahut got such oil dressings.


Added on April 11, 2009, 7:24 pmOr the other way is to get the fat is through cheese.

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mayo tends to be higher in fat?

omg.. olive oil = 100% fat sleep.gif;
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skylive : sounds like your sister has a heavy hand at pepper. Tell her to not put as much. It sounds like she's saturating the meal with pepper so much that the actual food flavours aren't coming out.

Anyway, this was the final dish.

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After roasting the brinjal, I kept it aside. Cut some onion rings which I stir-fry with 1 tsp olive oil until soft. Then I threw in some tomato sauce that I made a month ago (they were in ice-cube form - think it was celery, carrot, tomato, onion) with a bit of water. Then drop in some cherry tomatoes and stir-fry until the tomato was soft but not hancur. Then put on top of brinjal, then sprinkle some mozzarella (had to bang the plastic bag hard coz I forgot I left the mozzarella in the freezer). This was 10 min in the oven, could be longer so that the cheese was burnt but my Granny was hungry.

No salt except what was in the cheese. Although, I did season both the tomato+onion mix and roasted the brinjal with this herb mix : http://www.mccormick.com/Products/Herbs-an...-Seasoning.aspx

Surprisingly tasted like pizza. Even my Granny said that. Pizzahut puts brinjal on their vegetarian pizza I think, or they used to. I can only eat brinjal like this or as babaganoush. Chinese style, looks too icky.


Added on April 11, 2009, 7:41 pmErrr...we didn't finish everything lah. That was a dish for 4 ppl.


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mayo tends to be higher in fat?

omg.. olive oil = 100% fat sleep.gif;
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Pandai this woman. *piak*

Higher in bad fats. And it's not going to be like going to take that much olive oil lah. tongue.gif

Go google. If olive oil was that bad, then why it's used in a lot of controlled diet plans compared to mayo. tongue.gif

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Didja know that all that wonderful vitamins and minerals, cannot be absorbed without fat? You throwing the mayonnaise away, well ....you get what I'm saying.
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There's such a thing called olive oil which is usually found in italian dressing and french dressing. The mayo tends to be higher in fat compared to ordinary olive oil.

Only thing is, I dunno whether pizzahut got such oil dressings.
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wiki-san, how about vinegar?
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Oh they have olive oil in the Pizza Hut salads? Didn't know that.
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I didn't see in Pizzahut la. But some shops selling premium pizza does have olive oil.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 11 2009, 07:33 PM)
Pandai this woman. *piak*

Higher in bad fats.  And it's not going to be like going to take that much olive oil lah. tongue.gif

Go google. If olive oil was that bad, then why it's used in a lot of controlled diet plans compared to mayo. tongue.gif
Ah. I didnt say it was bad, I'm just saying that it's 100% fat yanno. 10g of olive oil has more fat than 10g of mayo wink.gif

Your dish looks amazing!! I jz hate things saltless - "The use of salt is valuable in low blood pressure. Until the blood pressure reaches normal levels through proper dietary and other remedies, it is essential that you take salty foods and half a teaspoon of salt in water daily." thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif er.. hurray for low blood pressure? wink.gif


Btw an interesting insight I received after a questionnaire today :

You're a fast oxidizer.

Because you crave salty foods, cheeses, and meats, you may be a fast oxidizer. This is the fancy term for your metabolic rate. It simply means that you burn through the nutrients in your food rapidly and that you therefore produce energy instantly. If the energy is not used immediately, it is stored as fat. Carbs only speed your oxidation and energy production further. So to best serve your metabolism and feel energized both physically and mentally, you require foods with higher percentages of proteins and fats. Make sure that there is protein in everything you eat, including snacks. Your ideal meals and snacks should break down to a ratio of 20% carbs, 50% protein, and 30% fat.
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charge-n-go : vinegar should be fine as long as you don't take the pre-mix salad dressing types. I prefer to mix my own salad dressing so that I can control the fat and sugar.

I like balsamic vinegar because the vinegar taste is not so strong. The other ones I currently have at home are red wine vinegar (sauvignon) and white wine vinegar (chardonnay) which are bought from the store. If you have leftover wine, just let it go sour and voila, you have wine vinegar. The alcoholic ones have some calories but it's not going to be so much per 1/2 teaspoon to 1 teaspoon which is the most you're going to put into salads anyway.

Hmmm....I do have a small recipe for a nice salad dressing but only take it if you're exercising regularly and you have cut down your carbo. Also, only for occasional use.

1 egg yolk (hardboiled)
1/2 teaspoon Dijon Mustard (more fatty than normal mustard but better taste)
1 teaspoon low-fat Mayo (add more to taste but remember, the more you add, the more the fat)
pepper
herbs if you want e.g. oregano (make it smell italian), rosemary, thyme

Mash it up. Now taste it. The secret are the eggyolk and the Dijon Mustard. You can add salt in. Pick this recipe up from the Atkins site - yes it's fatty but with a low carbo diet and regular exercise, you wouldn't be putting on a lot of weight unless you take this dressing regularly.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 11 2009, 08:04 PM)
Ah. I didnt say it was bad, I'm just saying that it's 100% fat yanno. 10g of olive oil has more fat than 10g of mayo wink.gif

Your dish looks amazing!! I jz hate things saltless - "The use of salt is valuable in low blood pressure. Until the blood pressure reaches normal levels through proper dietary and other remedies, it is essential that you take salty foods and half a teaspoon of salt in water daily."  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif er.. hurray for low blood pressure? wink.gif
Btw an interesting insight I received after a questionnaire today :

You're a fast oxidizer.

Because you crave salty foods, cheeses, and meats, you may be a fast oxidizer. This is the fancy term for your metabolic rate. It simply means that you burn through the nutrients in your food rapidly and that you therefore produce energy instantly. If the energy is not used immediately, it is stored as fat. Carbs only speed your oxidation and energy production further. So to best serve your metabolism and feel energized both physically and mentally, you require foods with higher percentages of proteins and fats. Make sure that there is protein in everything you eat, including snacks. Your ideal meals and snacks should break down to a ratio of 20% carbs, 50% protein, and 30% fat.
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Sounds really like me. The thought of a thick juicy steak, with salt and pepper drizzled all over it, with cheese melted all over the top......RAWRRRRR!!!!! I'M HUNGREEEEE
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 11 2009, 08:12 PM)
Sounds really like me. The thought of a thick juicy steak, with salt and pepper drizzled all over it, with cheese melted all over the top......RAWRRRRR!!!!! I'M HUNGREEEEE
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I have that "I could use some steak with sauteed mushroom, butter n cheese" thought EVERY SINGLE DAY.

*goes fry chicken cubes + curry powder + salt in butter*


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oh dear,
I just have a belacan chicken curry fried rice for dinner at 7pm,
and after reading you gals punya recipe, I suddenly feel hungry !!

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 11 2009, 08:04 PM)
Ah. I didnt say it was bad, I'm just saying that it's 100% fat yanno. 10g of olive oil has more fat than 10g of mayo wink.gif

Your dish looks amazing!! I jz hate things saltless - "The use of salt is valuable in low blood pressure. Until the blood pressure reaches normal levels through proper dietary and other remedies, it is essential that you take salty foods and half a teaspoon of salt in water daily."  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif er.. hurray for low blood pressure? wink.gif
Btw an interesting insight I received after a questionnaire today :

You're a fast oxidizer.

Because you crave salty foods, cheeses, and meats, you may be a fast oxidizer. This is the fancy term for your metabolic rate. It simply means that you burn through the nutrients in your food rapidly and that you therefore produce energy instantly. If the energy is not used immediately, it is stored as fat. Carbs only speed your oxidation and energy production further. So to best serve your metabolism and feel energized both physically and mentally, you require foods with higher percentages of proteins and fats. Make sure that there is protein in everything you eat, including snacks. Your ideal meals and snacks should break down to a ratio of 20% carbs, 50% protein, and 30% fat.
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I know you cheeky woman. brows.gif brows.gif

LOL! Not sure which one is worst, low blood pressure or high blood pressure. Both have diet issues.

50% protein : 25% veggie + 25% meat lor.

Hmm...I haven't had steak in awhile. Only take it when in Germany (the marinade with dark beer is great. A non-alcoholoic version is to use Malta) or at this pork restaurant in Kuching owned by a Sarawakian Lady married to an Austrian Chef. Somehow, European cooking has a lot more herb flavours than American food. Haven't tried cooking steak at home yet. Although my Dad recommended using this :

http://www.cosway.com.my/promotion/redempt...20flipNcook.htm

It's a bit heavy to use but it makes turning the food easier and also can cover for the "pressure" cooking a little bit.


Added on April 11, 2009, 8:49 pm
QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 11 2009, 08:19 PM)
*goes fry chicken cubes + curry powder + salt in butter*
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Add pineapple cubes. smile.gif And change to olive oil or granola oil, gal.

Actually, no need curry powder. Rub kunyit ok.

Hmm...Assam Java stir fry with prawn also nice leh. I think that's pretty safe.


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oh dear,
I just have a belacan chicken curry fried rice for dinner at 7pm,
and after reading you gals punya recipe, I suddenly feel hungry !!
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Speaking of curry, sigh. I'm going to miss eating salted fish curry with prawn and pineapple that my Granny make. One of my favourites before. Now totally cannot eat.

Sigh sigh sigh.


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Hmm...lemme show you a picture of something. What's wrong with the picture? In terms of dieting

Digressing a bit from the topic but since we're on a discussion about fat...

Make a guess.
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That's a bowl of super fattening mayo! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 11 2009, 09:06 PM)
That's a bowl of super fattening mayo! laugh.gif
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Warm but not quite.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 11 2009, 09:06 PM)
Warm but not quite.
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I don't know, it's so similar to mayo, and it looks like butter. hmm.gif
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Easy. The guy needs to change to Nutella instead. Everybody know Nutella is the awesomest spread in the entire world. DUmbass....
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LOL! nutella and mayo.

That picture was taken in a Medieval Restaurant in Germany. Tables had benches and all made of wood. Plates were the chopping boards with a wooden spoon and wooden knife for eating.

The bread is rye bread and is very healthy - pumped full of complex carbo but very thick and heavy.

And that bowl with the white stuff is actually lard i.e. pig fat.


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wikisan - after you read all your new book, provide an executive summary for skimmer like me....ehehehee
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If I do this one, you owe us one executive summary of what you're reading about health (diet or exercise). tongue.gif

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hahaha, now ic.
hey, thanks for educating the dumbass
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hahaha, now ic.
hey, thanks for educating the dumbass
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Well, most chinese hawker shops in KL still use lard for frying you know. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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Well, most chinese hawker shops in KL still use lard for frying you know.  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Dinner!

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Bland Chicken : chicken + curry powder + salt + butter + olive oil

Veg : steam brocco n carrots

That Green Thingy : blended wheatgrass, celery and spinach

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ok i'm kidding abt the last one - it's actually green apple juice with pulp (and salt) in a pasta sauce bottle. i learned that trick from Williams biggrin.gif

myremi,
low blood is actually more dangerous due to lack of medication to counter it smile.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 11 2009, 09:35 PM)
Dinner!

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Bland Chicken : chicken + curry powder + salt + butter + olive oil

Veg : steam brocco n carrots

That Green Thingy : blended wheatgrass, celery and spinach

wink.gif

ok i'm kidding abt the last one - it's actually green apple juice with pulp (and salt) in a pasta sauce bottle. i learned that trick from Williams biggrin.gif

myremi,
low blood is actually more dangerous due to lack of medication to counter it smile.gif
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Ouchie about the low blood pressure thingie. Well, I guess whatever I can't take, you can. LOL! Here's some salt sources :
-Fish sauce has more salt than soy sauce
-Soy sauce >.> Local brands I suspect have more
-Fishballs
-Buy bread from outside. They have a lot of salt in them.
-Seafood?
-Salted fish? brows.gif brows.gif
-Tin food

Hmm...one site suggested Epsom salt baths for 10-15 min.


Added on April 11, 2009, 10:06 pmChicken cube stock. and maybe a few pinch of MSG >.>

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use big wooden senduk for scoping the mayonaise in a non-controlled manner.....

olive oil = I was told we need good fat to kick out the bad fat.......is that right?
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Family dinner with my relative from Sabah.
Curry Fish head + sour rip pork + pineapple +belacan long bean ( the thinner species) + aluminum foiled chicken.

I am only taking curry and the pork most of the time since i dont really like the bean and totally hate that chicken.

@Syd G
very nice meal, i like the color xD

Lark is abused (Read:abused) in most chinese hawker stall in KL, once i order a Hokkien Mee, picking up so much "peanuts" (fried lark cube) on it, make me feel like vomiting..

BTW on the pepper, i can only accept trace amount of pepper, when i order outside i always remind them not to put pepper at all. My sister not that hardcore since she know i dont like it but she still put it anyway.
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Sky.Live,
Plastic dinnerware ftw biggrin.gif The baby carrots are delisyus! Sweet n crunchee
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read about here and something quite surprise me..
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/weight-loss.php#section1

Eating Late At Night Is Bad: Myth

hmm.. should i eat now? 3.32am lolx
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 12 2009, 03:32 AM)
read about here and something quite surprise me..
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/weight-loss.php#section1

Eating Late At Night Is Bad: Myth

hmm.. should i eat now? 3.32am lolx
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It was a LONG debunked myth lah. However, eating breakfast, definitely a good idea especially for those that wanna lose weight. Kickstarts metabolism. nod.gif
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Hmm...that acaloriecounter website ah... It's either the author writes for BB.com or he piagiarises from BB.com .
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add on to pizzaboy....breakfast, we must eat like king.....but make sure one choose healthy food...more complex carb, protein and fibre stuff.....plus milk (lowfat)

lunch eat likeprince....and dinner eat like hamba......

anyway, fat loss or weight loss is about calory deficit.......eating supper has no bearing on it. But one choose to skip breakie and lunch, but hantam kaukau for dinner and supper, then it aint do any good.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 12 2009, 12:52 PM)
add on to pizzaboy....breakfast, we must eat like king.....but make sure one choose healthy food...more complex carb, protein and fibre stuff.....plus milk (lowfat)

lunch eat likeprince....and dinner eat like hamba......

anyway, fat loss or weight loss is about calory deficit.......eating supper has no bearing on it. But one choose to skip breakie and lunch, but hantam kaukau for dinner and supper, then it aint do any good.
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Well, nearly correct.

Not only watch your calories, make sure it's low GI/GL food so that your blood sugar doesn't spike so often. Apparently, if there's too much insulin in the body (because of the high blood sugar), there's not enough glucogen hormone produced (it breaks down fat).

There are cases where ppl are watching calories and still putting on weight. Trick is low GI/GL food i.e. watch your carbo intake.
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wiki-san: Do you have a handy list of low GI food? Please PM me......I am running out of idea....hehhe
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c&p from wikipedia (not wiki-san xD)

Low GI 55 or less
most fruit and vegetables (except potatoes, watermelon), grainy breads, pasta, legumes/pulses, milk, products extremely low in carbohydrates (fish, eggs, meat, nuts, oils), brown rice

Medium GI 56 - 69
whole wheat products, basmati rice, orange, sweet potato, table sugar, most white rices (eg, jasmine),

High GI 70 and above
corn flakes, baked potato, watermelon, croissant, white bread, extruded cereals (eg, Rice Krispies), straight glucose (100)

sauce here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index

wiki-san, you studied as chemical engineer? what are you working for now? oil and gas industry?

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Urgh, not feeling too good today. Cough came back but surprisingly, the body isn't as tired as it used to be. So supplements does work as well as exercise and healthy eating.

One thing about low GI, medium GI and high GI is that you notice the actual values are very close to one another. And a food that has a low GI of 5 is differnt from a low GI of 50.

Low GI diets aren't an exact science (according to this UK book I pick up at the bookstore. "The GI Counter" by Dr. Mabel Blades. And this was a little red book that didn't have the GI for corn, bah). Fat is 0 on GI scale. So is protein. So have to watch out.

The low GI foods is to make sure that you're able to control your cravings. Because watching calories doesn't do it. Watching your blood sugar does.

For protein intake, the thing to watch out for is whether a person has an existing kidney problem. The kidney isn't like the liver which can regenerate itself. That's why I do say that it's important to have a blood test regularly to check if liver and kidneys are functioning ok. It's not the end of the world having a kidney problem, it just means that you have to be extremely careful on what you eat and what your exercise regime is like.

When I first got diagnosed with high BP, I went around hunting for various diet plans by medical establishments e.g. American Heart Assosiation, Mayo Clinic, etc. And did some comparisions. Most of them are the same diet plans so it seemed ok to eat a lot of fresh food, rather than processed food. The most difficult diet out of all those medical diet plans is the low-sodium one. Seriously, salt is the hardest thing to give up completely.

Another option is meal replacement products. I'm actually ok with them and believe that they do work. 2 things I'm not happy with though :

1-some companies aren't honest with what they put into those meal supplement plans. You also need to have a strong understanding of nutritional requirements when taking them so as not to go overboard and get your body into toxic shock from vitamins and minerals.

2-The meal supplement products are not cheap. If in the US or UK, sure, they are cheap but when they come to this part of the world, it gets automatically converted to ringgit and costs too much. That's what I seriously don't like about companies selling meal supplements. My health shouldn't come at a cost.

Hmmm... one thing though guys. Please do take what I say with a pinch of salt. Information about diets and nutrition changes rapidly so what we know today may be very different 2 years down the road.


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wiki-san, you studied as chemical engineer? what are you working for now? oil and gas industry?
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I'm working in a semiconductor industry, not oil and gas. Wasn't too smart to get in. smile.gif But some things that I learnt in Engineering does help to understand scientific text. My parents are always telling me to cool down and stop being too analytical. smile.gif

And if you're wondering if I have a Swiss Army Penknife, yes, I have my Dad's one when I left for college and university ages ago. I don't carry it everywhere lah. tongue.gif But it is somewhere in the drawers. smile.gif


Added on April 12, 2009, 9:49 pmOK, putting a weight counter thing. If that little flower moves left, I get the feeling that a few of you may just whack me for it. >.>

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I have a body training journal here:

My Workout Journal
Last week I have no weight lost and waist measurement lost at all biggrin.gif

Need the advice from you. Thanks!
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charge-n-go,

i still think you're undereating wink.gif
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What is your suggestion Syd G?
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I'm looking at your journal and just wondering, how on earth did you calculate the kcal for wantan mee and dimsum?

I suspect that you're not having any drop in weight or waist, is because of the foods you're eating. Either underestimation of colories or you're not producing enough glycogen.

I don't have my book with me atm so you'll have to wait until I get back home to check. Glycogen acts as a fat-releasing hormone as well. However, it is also sensitive to insulin content in the blood. So if you eat too much food with high GI, there may be more insulin than there is glycogen. So, no weight loss.

Insulin is used to control your blood sugar levels but if your blood sugar yoyos too much in the body, it's hard for the body to control itself (a nutshell kinda logic). I'll have to get back to you on this one later tonite.

But looking at the foods that you posted in your blog, hmm...I would say that maybe it's the blood sugar effect but guessing game here. It's obvious that you are a very active person. You might need that much carbo anyways.

A lot of processed food around. Since you don't have access to a kitchen, I would suggest for lunch and dinner, try to eat "economy rice" where you can pick and choose your portions. Avoid sauces and gravy but go for food cook from fresh food e.g. vegetables and meat. 2 spoonful of rice, or beans instead since beans are a good source of carbo with low GI. Avoid yams and potatoes except for sweet potato. McD sunday cone is a bomb lah.

The problem with eating "economy rice" is that there's a lot of sugar put into the meals. Even eating at Chinese Restaurants, there is a lot of sugar put into the dishes, just to get rid of any sour/salty/fishy taste/smell. But I guess not much choice. So "economy rice" food choices is the best option for you atm. Avoid the fried stuff and eat fish or chicken.

You may also want to consider the approach that BBers adopt with cutting fat stage. Not to the extreme that they do but just a little bit to drop the amount and then go back to your normal eating habits to maintain the cut.


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What is your suggestion Syd G?
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can pls take the quiz and report the results? http://www.sensible-alternative.com.au/metabolic.pdf

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 12:27 PM)
can pls take the quiz and report the results? http://www.sensible-alternative.com.au/metabolic.pdf

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Less than 15 a’s: You are a slow or medium oxidizer of carbohydrates. You do not need
to restrict carbohydrates, but you may still feel better with less refined flour and sugar.
You will do well with lighter proteins like fish and goat cheese.

Me atm. The questionairre looks like a survey on low carbo / processed food / fermented food.
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Slept 5am yesterday rushing project T.T
Woke up 9 today have to rush to putrajaya at 10.

This is my heavy brunch
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Ingredient
Hard boiled egg to perfection
2 slices of Cabbage
1/3 of onion cut into ring (note super thick ring)
2 slices of butter lettuce
1 mini tomato
2 spoon of mix vegetable
1 spoon of sweet corn
3 slices of chicken fillet (pan fried with olive oil)

<hide> 1 slice of turkey bacon ham </hide>

2 slices of Jaya Jusco Whole Meal Bread
1 Cup of Dutch Lady full cream milk

Dressing
Freshly squeezed lemon juice

p/s, there is a slice cheese too, but somehow i dont know how to melt it = =" it turns sticking all over my salad

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 12:21 PM)
I'm looking at your journal and just wondering, how on earth did you calculate the kcal for wantan mee and dimsum?

I suspect that you're not having any drop in weight or waist, is because of the foods you're eating. Either underestimation of colories or you're not producing enough glycogen.
haha, I am just guessing. I read something about a plate of dim sum is roughly how many kCals. I ate about 4 plates only. It is really a rough estimation. tongue.gif

Thanks for your help wiki san.


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can pls take the quiz and report the results? http://www.sensible-alternative.com.au/metabolic.pdf

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gao dim. I got 6 A.
thank you for the link



Sky.Live, Wiki-san, I have put a link to your blogs !
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Less than 15 a’s: You are a slow or medium oxidizer of carbohydrates. You do not need to restrict carbohydrates, but you may still feel better with less refined flour and sugar. You will do well with lighter proteins like fish and goat cheese.

i got 8As but some of the question i dont really understand such as
28. Are your pupils?
26. Do you react badly to insect bites?

21. Do you have a problem with dandruff?
I used to have but no longer, does it count?

The question asked dont seems to project towards asian diet.


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haha, I am just guessing. I read something about a plate of dim sum is roughly how many kCals. I ate about 4 plates only. It is really a rough estimation. tongue.gif

Thanks for your help wiki san.
gao dim. I got 6 A.
thank you for the link
Sky.Live, Wiki-san, I have put a link to your blogs !
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thanks xD
Been a while i have nothing to update for my blog

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I scored like... 95% As - they're quite spot on smile.gif

charge-n-go : i think it's pretty clear. keep away from fatty proteins (kfc, pork) n processed carbs

let ppl like us enjoy the fatty proteins tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 13 2009, 01:25 PM)
thanks xD
Been a while i have nothing to update for my blog
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chill bro. Let's share our weight loss journal. We can have more ohm~~!!


QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 01:27 PM)
I scored like... 95% As - they're quite spot on smile.gif

charge-n-go : i think it's pretty clear. keep away from fatty proteins (kfc, pork) n processed carbs
let ppl like us enjoy the fatty proteins tongue.gif
hahaha, you reminded me on pork. Last saturday during Ching Ming, I makan 2 big plates of 烧肉 (dunno what is it called in english). Damn, I like pork !!

but now gotta stick to chicken and fish. SydG, i pass the pork to u, u pass the rice to me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 13 2009, 01:31 PM)
but now gotta stick to chicken and fish. SydG, i pass the pork to u, u pass the rice to me biggrin.gif
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I've started taking 2 half boiled C size eggs for breakfast - they fill me better than a huge packet of nasi lemak. I kinda like nasi lemak sad.gif

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skylive : Some of the questions are based on the concept that "what-you-eat-may-caused-health-problems" e.g. pupils, dandruff, insect bites (it's something to do with some kind of acid forming on your skin that attracts insects, or the rate of skin healing).

With homeopathic "medicine" or naturaopathy, the practice is to avoid taking processed medication and use natural remedies for healing as well as avoiding chemical exposure. There is some true into it and people who have allergic symptoms to chemicals will find it does work more effectively for them than conventional medication.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 01:39 PM)
I've started taking 2 half boiled C size eggs for breakfast - they fill me better than a huge packet of nasi lemak. I kinda like nasi lemak sad.gif
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nevermind. You can poslaju me the nasi lemak. I'm glad to share your joy.
at the mean time, I will post you some fatty protein.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 01:39 PM)
I've started taking 2 half boiled C size eggs for breakfast - they fill me better than a huge packet of nasi lemak. I kinda like nasi lemak sad.gif
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Actually, hmm... wonder if we can "makeover" the nasi lemak to something healthy :

-brown rice
-roast chicken drumstick
-cucumber
-boiled peanuts
-boiled egg

But my head hurts thinking of how to prepare the sambal. Maybe just make the sambal as it is and just go with it. A small portion shouldn't contribute much to weight gain since the rice is not cook in coconut milk anymore no?
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use evap milk to replace coconut.........but how to replace salt?

use sunflower oil instead of palm oil to cook the sambal.....
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 13 2009, 01:22 PM)
haha, I am just guessing. I read something about a plate of dim sum is roughly how many kCals. I ate about 4 plates only. It is really a rough estimation. tongue.gif
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Ermmm.... very hard to control lor. When eating dimsum, say the prawn + pork meat in dimsum, they will probably use a combination of meat and fat together (e.g. fatty meat, skin). Also, they do at in sugar.

Come to think about it, most Chinese food has sugar in them. Watching my Granny cook some of those restaurant style dishes as well as Penang Nyonya cooking, must say she does have a heavy hand a it.

And the oink-oink you mention is suckling pig?


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use evap milk to replace coconut.........but how to replace salt?

use sunflower oil instead of palm oil to cook the sambal.....
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Can't replace salt. Maybe have to use seasalt or just adapt to not having salt in food.

Sambal : the problem is sugar. There is alot of sugar in sambal that makes it sweet and to overcome the salty taste from the prawn sambal salty taste.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 02:48 PM)
Ermmm.... very hard to control lor. When eating dimsum, say the prawn + pork meat in dimsum, they will probably use a combination of meat and fat together (e.g. fatty meat, skin). Also, they do at in sugar.

Come to think about it, most Chinese food has sugar in them. Watching my Granny cook some of those restaurant style dishes as well as Penang Nyonya cooking, must say she does have a heavy hand a it.

And the oink-oink you mention is suckling pig?
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I go out with gals to makan dim sum once a week. Like that I also lazy to calculate already, hahaha.

What oink oink? U mean what meat is that oink oink isit?
half fat half thin 1.

Me eat about 2 bowl tat day laugh.gif
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myremi - make sambal that taste sour......use asam...

chargie - lotof fat in the dimsum.......ALOTOFTHEM.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 13 2009, 03:49 PM)
chargie - lotof fat in the dimsum.......ALOTOFTHEM.
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Then I'll pump extra 50kCal everyday on my elliptical, hahahaha.
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50kcal ...tak cukup larh...at least 300kcal.....

get to the damn crosstrainer and give me 300....hehe
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 02:24 PM)
Actually, hmm... wonder if we can "makeover" the nasi lemak to something healthy :

-brown rice
-roast chicken drumstick
-cucumber
-boiled peanuts
-boiled egg

But my head hurts thinking of how to prepare the sambal. Maybe just make the sambal as it is and just go with it. A small portion shouldn't contribute much to weight gain since the rice is not cook in coconut milk anymore no?
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I know a good nasi lemak with half the calories. It's called the same nasi lemak, half the portion tongue.gif

I think I love the taste of sambal in nasi lemak. or the smell of nostalgia. or the fact that me and The Husband once had nasi lemak everyday cause that was the only food that we could afford (rm 1/packet) back then. So no boiled peanuts or brown rice for me tongue.gif

I went to the gym during lunch hr to hit 4km in less than 30 mins (intervals - highest 12km/h, lowest 5.5km/h). now sweating buckets.
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 13 2009, 04:15 PM)
50kcal ...tak cukup larh...at least 300kcal.....

get to the damn crosstrainer and give me 300....hehe
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everyday add 300kCal? That will make 2100kCal
1 meal of dim sum got 2100kCal??!! icon_question.gif
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everyday add 300kCal? That will make 2100kCal
1 meal of dim sum got 2100kCal??!!  icon_question.gif
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I mean on the day you have dimsum.......I think one meal of dimsum will cost at least 300 kcal. One MCFillet will have 300-350Kcal.......

nowadays I feel the guilt of whacking fat stuff. there was a day, I went to eat 'lap' rice during lunch for department.

lap = chinese sausage, duck, etc.......


The same evening, I went for 75minutes cardio...........
work out until rclxub.gif

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I go out with gals to makan dim sum once a week. Like that I also lazy to calculate already, hahaha.

What oink oink? U mean what meat is that oink oink isit?
half fat half thin 1.

Me eat about 2 bowl tat day laugh.gif
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Dim sum + 2 bowls of more than 50% pork fat will make you not lose fat.

Dim sum has too much fat in it. Our body loves fat. Our brain loves fat. Our brain is MADE OF FAT. Sugar is another thing that our brain loves, although in the form of glucose.

The picture you posted earlier is known as the three-layered belly pork. The downside of this pig cut is that it's not the leanest part and that's quite a lot of fat you swallowed in those 2 bowls. The plus side is that it just tastes so darn good for being so darn bad (my favourite piece of the pork).

No wonder no drop in weight. Now you have to work harder this week.


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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 04:21 PM)
I know a good nasi lemak with half the calories. It's called the same nasi lemak, half the portion tongue.gif

I think I love the taste of sambal in nasi lemak. or the smell of nostalgia. or the fact that me and The Husband once had nasi lemak everyday cause that was the only food that we could afford (rm 1/packet) back then. So no boiled peanuts or brown rice for me tongue.gif

I went to the gym during lunch hr to hit 4km in less than 30 mins (intervals - highest 12km/h, lowest 5.5km/h). now sweating buckets.
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Sigh. I haven't had a good plate of nasi lemak since I moved back to Sarawak. The sambal just isn't the same. Helps with weight control though. doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 13 2009, 05:28 PM)
The same evening, I went for 75minutes cardio...........
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haha, as far as i know, cardio above 60 minutes starts to burn protein. It's better to do slightly higher intensity and make it in 60 minutes.


QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 05:37 PM)
Dim sum + 2 bowls of more than 50% pork fat will make you not lose fat.

Dim sum has too much fat in it. Our body loves fat. Our brain loves fat. Our brain is MADE OF FAT. Sugar is another thing that our brain loves, although in the form of glucose.

The picture you posted earlier is known as the three-layered belly pork. The downside of this pig cut is that it's not the leanest part and that's quite a lot of fat you swallowed in those 2 bowls. The plus side is that it just tastes so darn good for being so darn bad (my favourite piece of the pork).

No wonder no drop in weight. Now you have to work harder this week.
haha, that oink oink i makan 10 days ago during Ching Ming. Erm.. actually not only that oink oink, I eat a lot of rice and drink ribena whole day (for 2 days).

Nevermind la, I eat so damn a lot still no gain in weight, should feel happy already. biggrin.gif

I continue to hu ha hu ha this week. Let's see how much lemak I can hu ha out.

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hi all diet people...!! i am now serious on diet and exercise..hope i will get to lose weight till the goal.. smile.gif

need to track what i have eat everyday, always forgotten to update sad.gif
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hi dokidoki,

errr... we are serious? >.> don't think so. we tempt each other with bygone days of delicious fatty food...

I guess the best thing is to track everyday then. smile.gif there's a members journal area you know. tongue.gif

The most we do is try to motivate each other on.

Although, having said that, anyone seen Clarkfann around? Her bday came last week and she has been pretty silent since. Hope she's ok.
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Went out for a tea today, i dont know what to ordered in Oldtown Kopitiam.. everything is like my favorite but none of them are really healthy =(

drank a cup of tea and ate a slice of plain toast.
I love siu yuk also @@, but hard to get good one, i know one in Jalan Chan Sow Ling

Lol, i didn't start my personal journal yet, no guts

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 08:13 PM)
hi dokidoki,

errr... we are serious? >.> don't think so. we tempt each other with bygone days of delicious fatty food...

I guess the best thing is to track everyday then. smile.gif there's a members journal area you know. tongue.gif

The most we do is try to motivate each other on.

Although, having said that, anyone seen Clarkfann around? Her bday came last week and she has been pretty silent since. Hope she's ok.
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my bday is May 8th tongue.gif
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charge-n-go & tengster : Ok, I made an error in the word. It's not glycogen, it's glucagon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathp...s/glucagon.html

It's a hormone coming from the pancreas that releases fat from the body. For it to do that, there must be a balance of insulin and glucagon for it to happen. Too much insulin (from too high blood sugar so insulin builds up to try and bring the blood sugar levels down, but it can overcompensate causing blood sugar to go down very very low) will push the levels of glucagon down. So, to maintain healthy balance levels of insulin and glucagon, one needs to have a balance of protein, carbs and fat. Too much high GI carbs will cause too much insulin in the body so may need to have some low GI carbs food in the diet.

For athletes or people who train strenously, they have to be careful of this effect of high and low blood sugar after the training. THey will need a different pre- and post-nutrition just to handle the roller coaster effect of the different blood sugar levels. Hence, that's the reason why it's ok for them to take energy drinks and higher carb foods after

http://www.oztrack.com/gi.htm

For the athletes or ppl who exercise a lot, they may need to adjust their GI intake according to their body needs. Not quite a precise science.

Still reading the book.
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 13 2009, 09:33 AM)
I have a body training journal here:

My Workout Journal
Last week I have no weight lost and waist measurement lost at all biggrin.gif

Need the advice from you. Thanks!
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nice journal!!
might try to follow you...
hahahahaha
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QUOTE(syarz @ Apr 13 2009, 09:32 PM)
nice journal!!
might try to follow you...
hahahahaha
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hehe if you dont exercise like him please dont eat like him
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 13 2009, 09:37 PM)
hehe if you dont exercise like him please dont eat like him
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perharps ill make a few changes...
8.00pm to 11.00pm is my futsal training...
even better cool2.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 09:30 PM)
For athletes or people who train strenously, they have to be careful of this effect of high and low blood sugar after the training. THey will need a different pre- and post-nutrition just to handle the roller coaster effect of the different blood sugar levels. Hence, that's the reason why it's ok for them to take energy drinks and higher carb foods after

For the athletes or ppl who exercise a lot, they may need to adjust their GI intake according to their body needs. Not quite a precise science.
does the book define what is train strenously mean? cardio 40minutes....does it mean train strenously?


Added on April 13, 2009, 10:19 pmSky-live - you can goto U-Lik for wantonmee...got good charsiew....

Clarkfann - we can almost celebrate together....

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 13 2009, 10:18 PM)
does the book define what is train strenously mean? cardio 40minutes....does it mean train strenously?
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Nope, the book doesn't mention it. It does mention that it's good to have aerobic and anaerobic activity to reduce insulin resistance. Increase in insulin resistance means the possibility of diabetes. The book itself revolves a lot around insulin and diabetes as well as other chronic health problems prevalent in modern day. However, he does occasionly peppers the books with information on children and the state of their health with the diet intake these days.

Oh, one thing that the book does say is that a human being starts loosing muscle mass from 35 yo onwards. To counteract this, one is to take up strength training. Even at 80s and 90s, it's still possible to do some strength training.

Still haven't read everything. Still reading on.
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Wiki-san, wanna ask some things about diet.

What u normally "sapu" at your wholemeal bread & anything healthy to apply with it or just plain wholemeal bread with low-fat milk in the morning ? Jams ? Kaya? Peanut Butter?

For drinks , those very sweets ones , will they increase our weights also? Is it means the more sugar in it, the higher the calories intake?

How do u guys calculate the kCalories intake?

Today i ate:

6.45am:
4pieces of whole meal bread with kaya on it.
1 cup of low-fat milk.

10.45am:
2 fishballs
2 packets of guava.

1.30pm:
1/2 plate of brown rice and 1 fish curry with long beans
Including some potatoes and and...... 2 "kompiang" [ don't know how to say it out but in my community they call it that]. Inside the "kompiang" got pork meat. rclxub.gif

7pm:
1/2 plate of brown rice and 1 fish curry with long beans and 2 donuts.

8pm:
1/2 cup cappuccino which is extremely sweet. After i drank half of it, really cannot stand the sweetness and just throw it away.

Thats all for today. Seeking advice to have a better healthy diet. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

tengster: please don't nuke me. tried my best. notworthy.gif

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Hey, this info is cool WIKI-san. Terima kaseh!


QUOTE(syarz @ Apr 13 2009, 09:32 PM)
nice journal!!
might try to follow you...
hahahahaha
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no need try, just do it biggrin.gif
we motivate each other!


QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 13 2009, 09:37 PM)
hehe if you dont exercise like him please dont eat like him
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do I eat like an oink oink? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 13 2009, 10:18 PM)
Clarkfann - we can almost celebrate together....
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Wei, when is yours?
Mine is 7th May.


Added on April 13, 2009, 11:28 pmTalking about Glucagon. It is very important in anaerobic based exercise like lifting and martial arts.

Got 3 times, I didn't take good dinner, just a piece of biscuit and a few table spoon of glucose. I nearly fainted in the 2 hour Taekwondo training. I thought it was my stamina, but after that, I discovered I didn't take enough food before training.

This is because anaerobic needs a lot of carbo to provide fast energy via fast glycolysis. The result will be lactic acid. So, after weight training, it is good to have some aerobic exercise to increase the pulveric acid via slow glycolysis.

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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 13 2009, 11:11 PM)
What u normally "sapu" at your wholemeal bread & anything healthy to apply with it or just plain wholemeal bread with low-fat milk in the morning ? Jams ? Kaya? Peanut Butter?
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Nothing. I just eat it plain. Never got into the habit of putting butter or jam or kaya. TBH, I can't quite take sweet stuff. My Mum controlled my sugar intake when I was young so now as an adult, I don't take sweet stuff as much.

Hmm...but I sometimes do put a cheesespread over it, either cream cheese or cottage cheese. Then makan like that. I read the product labels for carbo, sugar, fat and calorie.

With butter hmm.... I'm not sure if you can get it but an alternative is either soy butter or olive butter. But compare the calories and fat first.

QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 13 2009, 11:11 PM)
For drinks , those very sweets ones , will they increase our weights also? Is it means the more sugar  in it, the higher the calories intake?
Yep and you'll need to exercise more if you want to continue to drink them. Usually, for weight loss, it's put aside for the time being.

QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 13 2009, 11:11 PM)
How do u guys calculate the kCalories intake?
I don't. Too much hassle. I just :'
-control food portions
-know what food is ok and not ok

Then I just go with that.

kaya : is very rich with sugar + eggs. The eggs maybe not so much of a problem if you're exercising regularly. But the sugar is bad.

fishball : either it's too much fat or too much flour (processed wheat is simple carbo). Sometimes a bit of sugar in here as well as pork fat.

guava : eating this is fine but too much and you find that you can't shit as often as before. It's something about this fruit but as long as you don't eat it for every meal or 5 days once, should be alrite.

\fish curry with long beans : curry bought from shop or eat at home? jaga the sugar in the curry sauce as well as the coconut milk. it's possible to eat curry without coconut milk and sugar but it's not easy. My granny makes it from the paste, not from the powder.

kompiang : err....processed white flour is big on carbo. potatoes too (unless it's sweet potato). hmm...kompiang is also deep fried rite?

donuts : process white flour + sugar?

sugar in coffee : errr, may want to cut down.

May take it a step at a time. It's not easy to turn a new leave and I gave myself one week of slowly moving into the new diet. You will also find that you have some trouble initially fighting off cravings because when you slowly move away from refined carbo, your body will crave for it more. Headaches, aches and pain may also appear butonce you're over this period (usually a few days to a week), it's easier.
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richard3200 : actually, since you're still growing and still young enough to have a good metabolic rate, you may want to start it out slow. Just follow the simple guideline below :
-reduce fried food until it's out of your diet
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

Don't worry about the other stuff. It will come to you in time and as you slowly get used to watching what to eat and all. It may take 1-2 weeks to get used to not only the food but watching the food.


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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 13 2009, 11:31 PM)
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 08:13 PM)
hi dokidoki,

errr... we are serious? >.> don't think so. we tempt each other with bygone days of delicious fatty food...

I guess the best thing is to track everyday then. smile.gif there's a members journal area you know. tongue.gif

The most we do is try to motivate each other on.

Although, having said that, anyone seen Clarkfann around? Her bday came last week and she has been pretty silent since. Hope she's ok.
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i got a journal here...but lazy to update..now i update this myfitness pal also lazy tongue.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 11:28 PM)
Nothing. I just eat it plain. Never got into the habit of putting butter or jam or kaya. TBH, I can't quite take sweet stuff. My Mum controlled my sugar intake when I was young so now as an adult, I don't take sweet stuff as much.

Hmm...but I sometimes do put a cheesespread over it, either cream cheese or cottage cheese. Then makan like that. I read the product labels for carbo, sugar, fat and calorie.

With butter hmm.... I'm not sure if you can get it but an alternative is either soy butter or olive butter. But compare the calories and fat first.
Yep and you'll need to exercise more if you want to continue to drink them. Usually, for weight loss, it's put aside for the time being.
I don't. Too much hassle. I just :'
-control food portions
-know what food is ok and not ok

Then I just go with that.

kaya : is very rich with sugar + eggs. The eggs maybe not so much of a problem if you're exercising regularly. But the sugar is bad.

fishball : either it's too much fat or too much flour (processed wheat is simple carbo). Sometimes a bit of sugar in here as well as pork fat.

guava : eating this is fine but too much and you find that you can't shit as often as before. It's something about this fruit but as long as you don't eat it for every meal or 5 days once, should be alrite.

\fish curry with long beans : curry bought from shop or eat at home? jaga the sugar in the curry sauce as well as the coconut milk. it's possible to eat curry without coconut milk and sugar but it's not easy. My granny makes it from the paste, not from the powder.

kompiang : err....processed white flour is big on carbo. potatoes too (unless it's sweet potato). hmm...kompiang is also deep fried rite?

donuts : process white flour + sugar?

sugar in coffee : errr, may want to cut down.

May take it a step at a time. It's not easy to turn a new leave and I gave myself one week of slowly moving into the new diet. You will also find that you have some trouble initially fighting off cravings because when you slowly move away from refined carbo, your body will crave for it more. Headaches, aches and pain may also appear butonce you're over this period (usually a few days to a week), it's easier.
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shocking.gif ... From small till now, i still put kaya spread on it. Normally comes with peanut butter or strawberry jam.

Wiki-san, what do u mean by 5 days once? Means 5 days only can eat 1 time? blink.gif . My school canteen is really terrible. They got 4 stalls . 2 malays , 1 chinese and 1 indian. I normally only visit the chinese and indians ones and i dont think those malays stalls will sell anything better than these 2 stalls . BUT they all have the FIXED variable, that they don't sell any vegetables . I am thinking for those vegetarian how they gonna survive in the school for 5 years unless they eat bread and fruits daily. For now, i only saw 2 fruits that this chinese stall is selling which are the watermelons and guava.

For the fish curry, is self-cooked . My mum will cook daily unless it is on the weekends and my mum don't put any MSG or coconut milks in the curry. She, herself, is quite health conscious . She uses organic salt, olive oil, and brown rice for cooking.

The kompiang is not deeply fried . They are cooked using the heat in 1 kind of special oven. For the donuts and kompiang, yea white flour.

I think till now this is the best i can do.


Added on April 13, 2009, 11:50 pm
QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 11:37 PM)
richard3200 : actually, since you're still growing and still young enough to have a good metabolic rate, you may want to start it out slow. Just follow the simple guideline below :
-reduce fried food until it's out of your diet
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

Don't worry about the other stuff. It will come to you in time and as you slowly get used to watching what to eat and all. It may take 1-2 weeks to get used to not only the food but watching the food.


Added on April 13, 2009, 11:39 pm

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ohmy.gif 2 tablespoon of rice.... I gonna die in hunger with that. Eating more vegetables and fruits is not a problem with me. I forgot to add-on, i ate* mangoes at 7pm and 10pm just now. lol

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I forgot that you're still in high-school.

For recess, you could bring a snack from home. Different choices of food or even a sandwich. Speak to your Mum. I'm sure she can give you ideas. It doesn't have to include vegetables. It can be anything. The snack is only to tie you until your lunch meal so snacks shouldn't be too big. Plus, if you bring something from home, you will lose weight pretty fast because u're not taking oily food.

Guava : Too much guava is not a good idea. I was giving an example (but badly explained sorry) that if you ate guava once a day for a 5 day period, you're gong to have constipation problems. Guava has something inside it that hardens the stool.

Vegetarians : you're rite. They probably bring food everyday or they learn how to control their break hunger. I stop eating at recess starting Form 1. But can still put on weight because not exercising enough.

Your curry : sounds ok. Sinc eyou said your Mum is health conscious, should be ok.

Kompiang : Well, don't eat it too often should be fine.

I think if you bring a small packed meal during recess, you can easily see the weightloss drop, especially with the walking that you're doing.

Postnote : LOL! You type fast. Well, if you can't limit to 2 tablespoon of rice, take it slowly. Just reduce what you can for rice intake.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 13 2009, 11:57 PM)
I forgot that you're still in high-school.

For recess, you could bring a snack from home. Different choices of food or even a sandwich. Speak to your Mum. I'm sure she can give you ideas. It doesn't have to include vegetables. It can be anything. The snack is only to tie you until your lunch meal so snacks shouldn't be too big. Plus, if you bring something from home, you will lose weight pretty fast because u're not taking oily food.

Guava : Too much guava is not a good idea. I was giving an example (but badly explained sorry) that if you ate guava once a day for a 5 day period, you're gong to have constipation problems. Guava has something inside it that hardens the stool.

Vegetarians : you're rite. They probably bring food everyday or they learn how to control their break hunger. I stop eating at recess starting Form 1. But can still put on weight because not exercising enough.

Your curry : sounds ok. Sinc eyou said your Mum is health conscious, should be ok.

Kompiang : Well, don't eat it too often should be fine.

I think if you bring a small packed meal during recess, you can easily see the weightloss drop, especially with the walking that you're doing.

Postnote : LOL! You type fast. Well, if you can't limit to 2 tablespoon of rice, take it slowly. Just reduce what you can for rice intake.
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Is quite hard for me to bring small packed meal from home. I think is like only 0.5% of the community in my school who brings packed meal from home [ i even doubt there is 0.5% , most probably i can count them using my fingers and toes] . Maybe trying to stop eating during recess is still the best way. Anyway this is my last year in high school.

Sidenote: I am addicted to online games since i was standard 6 and sticking my butt on the chair during the holidays that's why my weight is rising every year and my typing skills too. LOL. But my addiction to online games is no more. Quitted all of them and concentrating in studies for my last year of high school.
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You know what? the word kompiang strikes me, i just came back from a late class reached home, the first thing i saw on the table - kompiang, so my dominant right hand naturally try to grab it but my left hand somehow slapped my right hand to stop it. (angel vs demon situation)

If you know what kompiang is made of you must know you should avoid at all cost, it's FLOURRRRR, + Larkkk + More pig's fattest possible part inside.

Yes, i have a few vegetarian friend, they always bring their own food, it taste so good that sometimes if he has extra we will steal it and eat xD.

If you are given a chance, join in food preparation process you should have a clear picture what is the good and the bad. Note: my house's cooking has 'zero' sugar. Maybe it's just me, food with sugar taste AWFUL, happens to visit Taiwan years ago and those heavily advertised food by Jacky Woo aint my taste at all, all taste so sweet.


Added on April 14, 2009, 12:41 amFor the bread spread, you might opt for cheese, slice for lazy one. Bake them = omg

Butter + kaya = well kaya = sugar + sugar + more sugar, witness the process of making it, almost faint. I only take butter, anti margerine, you can mix with peanut butter too, quite fattening too.

I ate mostly without spread nowadays, putting eggs, meats and vegetable on it, makes it looks nice and certainly taste nice.
Note sure about tuna, wanted to try someday. Goose liver, those bought from Europe were finished, not sure bout the label and calories, since it is internal organs should have high fats.

My mom homemade a pineapple jam too, certainly jam without some addictive dont taste as good as those you bought in the supermarket, not sure what she didn't put, but i like the texture of the jam and not so sweet like commercial one

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richard3200 : you sound shy bringing a food container to school. smile.gif It's a girlie thing, no? smile.gif You'll be surprise when you go out and work, the number of guys who bring packed lunches from home smile.gif. Anyway, it's something that you have to decide for yourself. You know our stand, it's up to you now to decide what you want to do - your health or your pride (what makes you shy to bring food container to school).

I'm going to stop here. If I tell you more stuff, you may get too confuse. And from your posts, I get the feeling that you are getting there. Give yourself 2 weeks to get used to the change in food eating :

-reduce deep fried food until it's out of your diet. eat maybe once a week?
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon, but if not, just reduce by half
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

Talk to your Mum. She may help you out.


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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 12:38 AM)
My mom homemade a pineapple jam too, certainly jam without some addictive dont taste as good as those you bought in the supermarket, not sure what she didn't put, but i like the texture of the jam and not so sweet like commercial one
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Wake up, dynamic stretch 5 min, 10x Squat, 10x Push up, 10x Sit up, some random exercise 5 min, mandi kerbau, HL Choco milk 300ml, fly motorbike to work.

9.00am
Neslo + Oatmeal
1 slice Gardenia Green

11.15am
2 table spoon Glucose (before gym)

11.30am
10 min bicycle, level 3 95rpm; 10 min rowing; 10 min walk-staircase, level 1; dynamic + static stretch 5 min; Today only burnt 250kCal, elliptical under maintenance $#(*$(#*

1.00pm
3x gardenia + 2x sayur + 1x beansprout + 1x fry egg.

2.30pm
fry lobak kuih + laici pudding + papaya

4.00pm
Neslo + 1x love letter chocolate roll

6.30pm
Marry Brown mash potato ® + coselaw ® + 1/2 packet fries + 1/2 packet nuggets + 500ml HL choco milk.

8.00pm - 10.00pm
Taekwondo Training.

11.00pm
Back from Taekwondo. Tak tahan, drank another 100ml of HL chocolate milk.


Just wondering what's wrong with my diet.
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Just wondering what's wrong with my diet.
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You mean your problem about not losing the last few kg ?
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Your food choices are scary. It's just lucky that you have a good exercise regime to load everything all off.

It's no different from what we said before.

-Deep fried stuff are bad
-Go for food that are made fresh material e.g. vegetables and meat
-Desserts : Go for fruits.
-Do away with salads that come with dressing.
-Your diet is loaded up with a lot of carbs and sugar, most of them hidden. If you want to drop the last few kg, may have to reduce them more.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 10:28 AM)
Your food choices are scary. It's just lucky that you have a good exercise regime to load everything all off.

It's no different from what we said before.

-Deep fried stuff are bad
-Go for food that are made fresh material e.g. vegetables and meat
-Desserts : Go for fruits.
-Do away with salads that come with dressing.
-Your diet is loaded up with a lot of carbs and sugar, most of them hidden. If you want to drop the last few kg, may have to reduce them more.
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Gotcha! No wonder 3 weeks ago when I am trying to finish up the fruit coupon (as teabreak and dinner), I am able to reduce 2kg with the same amount of exercise.

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It's about an energy balance.

Energy to exercise = Energy from Food + Energy from Body Fat

If you want to lose weight, u have to make sure that your body is getting energy from the body fat more than energy from food. Rather than just cut down on food quantities, you can do it by changing the type of foods that you're eating.

It's kinda a simplistic overview and more than a few people can get confuse.
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I underestimated the food kCal a lot. There are hidden sugar/carbo that I never considered.

I gotta study those GI thing already. Eating fruit make my body sux, as in I don't have enough energy to do continuous anaerobic exercise. Easily exhausted and pening.
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fruit contain fructose. Fructose is not favoured in muscle. The are converted into glycogen and stored in liver. To have energy for anaerobic exercise, you have to have glycogen in your muscle, which can broken from rice/oat (starchy grains).
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If fruits are bad, use veggies I guess. Or plan your food intake better and not so near your activity times. You sure do eat a lot, even for the small meals.

You may have to stop going to general diet sites and goto the ones that are more focus on athletes. Not bodybuilders or weightlifters or powerlifters. Just athletes.

I get the feeling that you might want to switch to drink supplements and a post-workout nutrition plan. Just to control your cravings which I suspect is coming from blood sugar levels rising up and down very fast from the activities that you're doing.

Hmm...am I giving too much advice to u?
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 14 2009, 11:18 AM)
fruit contain fructose. Fructose is not favoured in muscle. The are converted into glycogen and stored in liver. To have energy for anaerobic exercise, you have to have glycogen in your muscle, which can broken from rice/oat (starchy grains).
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Hmm...am I giving too much advice to u?
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My diet knowledge is way too simple. kCal burnt > kCal intake. But like that also I calculate wrong. haiyaa....
So, the more you advise, the more I rclxm9.gif
really appreciate your help WIKI-san. smile.gif


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gym time now.. js taken 2x love letter biscuit and 3 table spoon of glucose. Let's see if I can pump 600kCal later. brows.gif

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why love letter biscuit? convinience?
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I always over prepared my food, dont know how to estimate for single person serving. This is what i am having

* 2 spoon full cream milk powder
* 1 x egg fried with olive oil
* few slice of pork and chicken
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* 4 slices of Tesco Wholemeal Bread

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why love letter biscuit? convinience?
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isn't eating those will suffer from pimples!!? i eat like 5 piece a day cny time and suffer pimple problems buu! ):
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 14 2009, 12:11 PM)
why love letter biscuit? convinience?
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among the free biscuits available, I like this the most.

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isn't eating those will suffer from pimples!!? i eat like 5 piece a day cny time and suffer pimple problems buu! ):

not CNY type. It's a love letter roll.
that CNY love letter, i used to eat half a tin per day. Too tasty ady.


add on:
It seems like 2x love letter + 3 table spoon of glucose is not enough for my gym session.

Today burnt 100kCal during rowing warm up (10 min).
After that, burnt 600kCal on elliptical (30 min). The last 5 min on elliptical is exhausting, although heart rate maintain at 135. Hand and leg feel soft.

After that, static stretching, split, and chest muscle strength training. Fuuuhhhh, tiring.

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charge-n-go : Hmm...I'm going to stop giving advice and just give you a generic explaination so that you can do some tweaking to your diet as well as hunting for information.

All the advices that I've given you is based on what the body does. How it all comes together, it's a bit different from a person having a moderate lifestyle and an athlete-type of lifestyle (like you). At the same time, I'm learning myself about what happens in the body of these 2 different lifestyle situations.

Ultimately, it's about where your body is going to get the energy for you to do all the exercises and moving about. For a person who is losing weight, we have to watch the GI. But for you who are an athlete-type, it may not be so simple because the rate at which you burn energy is going to be a lot faster. So, you will need more energy than we do.

Because you need more energy at certain periods (e.g. before, during and after the exercise), you may be needing some moderate GI food to bring up the blood sugar level to even form the necessary energy fuel (whether it's glucose or glycogen). You will need to tweak your diet so that you can achieve that balance of eating enough not and the well-being feeling after a good workout.

And that's the hardest bit : the tweaking. It's not easy because athletes typically has smaller muscle mass compared to bodybuilders and weightlifters. So you're going to be processing the blood sugar faster than they are. Yes you lift weights but you also do martial arts where dexterity and speed needs huge bursts of speed i.e. a lot of fuel is burnt and this fuel will come from blood sugar but in what form, not sure whether it's gluocose or glycogen.

The tweaking is in the from of pre-workout, during-workout and post-workout nutrition. It's different from person to person, athlete to athlete. All the body functions remains the same. It's just a matter of changing diets to suit your needs.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=25108635

The above is a discussion going on about cardio in bodybuilding and it does provide some insight into the science of it all. And, it's not an exact science because to create the perfect scenario is going to take some time to tweak. Why the tweak? The body has an equal and opposite reaction for every action. For every glycogen produced, there's probably something in the body that is going on to make sure that it's not overproduced (probably because there's another health impact that will come along later) to maintain a "normal balance".

Just remember : all bodily functions are the same, whether it's for a normal person, an obese person, an athlete or a body builder. The difference is that all of those people have created different environments for their body to behave so certain processes take precendence over the other.

Trying to explain in layman terms is hard...


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WIKI-san, I need your advice on diet, or perhaps put in another word, I need your useful information on various types of diet. Yeah, I can do the tuning according to my needs.

I was actually switching between normal lifestyle and athlete lifestyle. When I want to burn fats, I go all out in exercise. If I am lazy, I have only 1 aerobic session per week only. When I reach my target, then I will slow down again to enjoy my life besides camping in gym laugh.gif

I am really amazed on the diet and body knowledge that you've gained ! I really want to learn more so that I can maintain a good body all time.
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One other thing to add : people who do extreme diet (obese, anorexic) and people who do extreme exercises (bodybuilding, athletics, joggers, marathons) will be doing one thing the same :

PUSHING THE BODY TO THE MAX

So there may be health problems, granted that it's different health problems but with all the beating that the body is taking, something will give way.

We are still trying to understand how God's creation really works i.e. how the human bodies works the way it does. Until then, it's still a bit of guessing work and tweaking here and there. smile.gif

We do live in interesting times, no? smile.gif
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hahaha, pushing the body to the max is my favourite. I never know where is my body limit until today. It is improving day by day. (if lazy and never train, then story is terbalik la! tongue.gif)

I study on different body trainings (athlete types training), as I was a part time instructor 3 years back. However, I am seriously noob in diet. I am starting to pick up this year, because I felt the body is improving slower, and I guess this might be due to my diet.

Well, I have never take MC for 2 years and not even a flu. Perhaps I take a lot of organic health supplement which consists of anti-oxidant, blood circulation related, respiration system related, mix-fruits and etc.

The main problem now is, I don't know how to eat carbo / protein to tweak my body. laugh.gif


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hi-5 !


Added on April 14, 2009, 3:06 pmone thing to add.
This is specially for athletes, like martial artist or footballers.
What we need is power training, not strength training.

Power = (strength x distance)/ time.

We can only have good power with strength, speed and durability.

Let's say if we kick football, got strength no speed, the ball cannot go far. Besides, if we kick 1 time and then exhausted, we cannot continue for the next 40 minutes. So, athletes training is a lot more demanding, because one need to maintain the maximum power over a long duration. Gotta train up the VO2 and lactose tolerance level ALOT!

Oh well, that's for people who are interested in becoming athletes. Don't need to go so extreme for body builders and fat burners. tongue.gif

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am running a full marathon for standard chartered kl marathon in june smile.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 14 2009, 02:49 PM)
WIKI-san, I need your advice on diet, or perhaps put in another word, I need your useful information on various types of diet. Yeah, I can do the tuning according to my needs.

I am really amazed on the diet and body knowledge that you've gained ! I really want to learn more so that I can maintain a good body all time.
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Errr... I can only share information but you also have to take it with a pinch of salt. Because I've not read up much on pre-workout and post-workout meals.

What kurtbob78 said about fruits and fructose is correct. But it may not be the whole picture either because when one does something extreme, something else has to give way i.e. the balancing effect.

Majority of the information online has been condensed and summarized to paint one picture, whether it's good or bad. It's not always easy to discern whether the impact is positive or not. You have to do a lot of cross-referencing on your own, comparing what you've read and what your body feels like. Or just spend 1-2 hours in a bookstore reading about nutrition but my guess is that there's very few books about athletic nutrition. You may have to spend some money to get those type of information.

Keeping a blog helps. If that's too much of a hassle, keep a hardcopy journal. Then you can backtrack and check each time. When I started dieting, I keep a small notebook in my handbag to watch what I ate for the first 3 weeks. When you're doing your tweaking, it may take more than 3 weeks.

Give yourself 1-2 months to do your tweaking. It's a long period yes but sometimes, if one has a busy workschedule, have to be a bit slow.
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Hi all.

I'm starting to feel hungry a lot (a.k.a hungry 24/7). Eat lunch, 2 hours later hungry ady. eat dinner, 2 hours later hungry again. Eat a bit of supper (bread, or milk), and hungry again @@

What should I do?

I want to cut down my flabby stomach as well.

Anywhere to refer to for basic food intake planning? Thanks!

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charge-n-go,
am running a full marathon for standard chartered kl marathon in june smile.gif
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Awesome Syd G! smile.gif

Waiting for after work to check out the video. >.>

My old boss was a long-distance runner and she was a 4 feet 9 inch wonder. But her diet was really extreme and she was thin. Just didn't have the mood to eat much and she doesn't eat much. I used to see her eat an apple for lunch for years and a lot of greens. Very little meat.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 14 2009, 03:32 PM)
charge-n-go,
am running a full marathon for standard chartered kl marathon in june smile.gif
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add oil add oil !
ooops, should be minus oil, so that the body can become more efficient.


QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 03:36 PM)
Errr... I can only share information but you also have to take it with a pinch of salt. Because I've not read up much on pre-workout and post-workout meals.

Keeping a blog helps. If that's too much of a hassle, keep a hardcopy journal. Then you can backtrack and check each time. When I started dieting, I keep a small notebook in my handbag to watch what I ate for the first 3 weeks. When you're doing your tweaking, it may take more than 3 weeks.

Give yourself 1-2 months to do your tweaking. It's a long period yes but sometimes, if one has a busy workschedule, have to be a bit slow.
Yeap, I really like to have some information. I'd like to read them on and off too. I am maintaining 5 private blogs to keep track on my various progress besides body training, haha. I am just applying the same to this area only.
Thanks for your sharing WIKI-san.


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What should I do?
I want to cut down my flabby stomach as well.
Don't be lazy, start doing cardio with the same amount of food intake for 20 minutes alternate days flex.gif
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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Apr 14 2009, 03:37 PM)
Hi all.

I'm starting to feel hungry a lot (a.k.a hungry 24/7). Eat lunch, 2 hours later hungry ady. eat dinner, 2 hours later hungry again. Eat a bit of supper (bread, or milk), and hungry again @@

What should I do?

I want to cut down my flabby stomach as well.

Anywhere to refer to for basic food intake planning? Thanks!

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Oh btw I'm generally lean, besides my stomach only. dry.gif
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Hi, welcome to the thread where a lot of proposals and solutions abount.

Perhaps, itmay help if you tell us what you normally eat, what time, how it's cook and what is your exercise time like?

People will post from there. smile.gif


Added on April 14, 2009, 4:18 pmBut I see charge-n-go has charged right in...

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Went pool swimming, just swam 30mins then close liao = =, only done 5.5 laps. I took the form to enroll for swimming course edi, oldest noob in class later xD
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sky - you swim in Bandar TUnRazak arhhhhh....not that I am stalking you but I am deciding to send my kid to there as well...just that logistic and commitment of driver needs to be sorted out....

apa nama itu club?
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sky - you swim in Bandar TUnRazak arhhhhh....not that I am stalking you but I am deciding to send my kid to there as well...just that logistic and commitment of driver needs to be sorted out....

apa nama itu club?
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It's a very nice place to swim. Even better than 99% of clubs, condos swimming pool, just that the depth is only like 1.6m.
It used to be very lousy with dirty water, i think they changed the management there already.
It's also good thing to be in swallow pool, when i swim in very deep pool the psychological factor come in that if i got cramp and drown.

Why not learned with your kid, unless you are already a pro xD.
I drive like 15 ~ 20mins all the way from hussein onn, if you know where it is xD

p/s i saw also a big group class of small children learning just now, the coach seems very fun them

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i am not a swimmer. cant even thread water......been considering.....

everyweekend we are swimming in other condo pool.......my distance is twice yours....driving distance......
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 05:13 PM)
It's a very nice place to swim. Even better than 99% of clubs, condos swimming pool, just that the depth is only like 1.6m.
It used to be very lousy with dirty water, i think they changed the management there already.
It's also good thing to be in swallow pool, when i swim in very deep pool the psychological factor come in that if i got cramp and drown.

Why not learned with your kid, unless you are already a pro xD.
I drive like 15 ~ 20mins all the way from hussein onn, if you know where it is xD
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sorry ya if this seems a bit out of place to ask...i'm staying in tmn connought, and dying to learn how to swim smile.gif
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i am not a swimmer. cant even thread water......been considering.....

everyweekend we are swimming in other condo pool.......my distance is twice yours....driving distance......
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Where are you staying?
Swimming is a good sport for all age, all gender, all race, also for ultra obese for me

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oh..there's a swimming area in bandar tun razak? what's the name of the place? or better, do u happens to have map for it?
sorry ya if this seems a bit out of place to ask...i'm staying in tmn connought, and dying to learn how to swim smile.gif
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google map should lead you there
keyword to search: Bandar Tun Razak Public Swimming Pool‎

It's only RM2 on the weekday RM3 on the weekend

weekday 3-5pm 6-8pm session
weekend 8.30-10.30 ( i think so, never been before) 3-5pm 6-8pm
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 14 2009, 04:09 PM)
Don't be lazy, start doing cardio with the same amount of food intake for 20 minutes alternate days flex.gif
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I am pissed tired due to my assignments, sleeping late. Don't think I'll be able to jog sad.gif

Maybe after my exams lol.

But yeah previously I jog 2 times a week.

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 04:16 PM)
Hi, welcome to the thread where a lot of proposals and solutions abount.

Perhaps, itmay help if you tell us what you normally eat, what time, how it's cook and what is your exercise time like?

People will post from there. smile.gif


Added on April 14, 2009, 4:18 pmBut I see charge-n-go has charged right in...
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Err, let's see. My schedule varies a lot.

Breakfast
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Sometimes skip, or 2 boiled eggs || 1 cup of milk || anything I can find (bread, carrots, etc)

Lunch
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Mixed economy rice (2 vege 1 meat)

4pm
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If I'm at home and hungry, I'll eat whatever I can find. If not just starve when I'm in uni.

5pm
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Jogging.

7pm
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Dinner mixed rice (2 meat 1 vege / 2 vege 1 meat) || cook myself (maggi + meat + a lot of vege + egg)

Supper
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Fried rice from mamak || Milo packet (eat raw) || Eggs || A cup of milk

Yeah around there =|

I guess I have to pump up on cardio. Need moar sleep first T___T
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I am pissed tired due to my assignments, sleeping late. Don't think I'll be able to jog sad.gif

I guess I have to pump up on cardio. Need moar sleep first T___T
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Once we start to find excuse, there goes our body. I've been doing this, and stopped doing now.
C'mon dude, study life is nothing compared to working life.
I'm an engineer in Intel, the workload is like SHIT. Yet I can squeeze out some time to exercise. It's all about will power.
Just plan our time properly, ensure at least 6 - 8 hours sleep and we can exercise to achieve our goals wink.gif

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Sky - I stay near Thaipusam place...

Experience - you have assignment, we have to work 830-530pm...thrash up with the massive traffic in Kayel.....take care of home....prepare food....etc....... I think it's all about time management and commitment.

God always give us choices. We just have to pick the right one.
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Yes tengster, I agree.

super busy people like Obama still have time for gym and body building. Don't tell us you are busier than Obama.
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i have to travel for my work. at times, I skip those sumptous dinner with branch level to go for workout.....

nowadays, I ask...."the hotel got gym or not?".....i think i shud start bringing my ahpek swimming trunk and power goggle


Added on April 14, 2009, 5:51 pmi think I am addicted liao....hehehe

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what a massive will power tengster.
are you an audit?

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Studying is the free-est time possible in your life.
I am still studying, during my internship days, although not much workload but the time travel etc. when you reach home already dead tired.

i been feeling guilty not exercising for 3 days > < too much sore from last swimming
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 14 2009, 05:42 PM)
Once we start to find excuse, there goes our body. I've been doing this, and stopped doing now.
C'mon dude, study life is nothing compared to working life.
I'm an engineer in Intel, the workload is like SHIT. Yet I can squeeze out some time to exercise. It's all about will power.
Just plan our time properly, ensure at least 6 - 8 hours sleep and we can exercise to achieve our goals wink.gif
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notworthy.gif Ok ok I cannot fight working lifestyle.

QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 05:46 PM)
Sky - I stay near Thaipusam place...

Experience - you have assignment, we have to work 830-530pm...thrash up with the massive traffic in Kayel.....take care of home....prepare food....etc....... I think it's all about time management and commitment.

God always give us choices. We just have to pick the right one.
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Yes tengster, I agree.

super busy people like Obama still have time for gym and body building. Don't tell us you are busier than Obama.
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notworthy.gif I dare not.

But yea la been sleeping for 4 hours a day only. sad.gif Really gotta tune it back.

And yes, really been doing coursework an hour after I wake up till I sleep. sad.gif I suck at time management I think laugh.gif
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notworthy.gif Ok ok I cannot fight working lifestyle.
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tonite sleep early, tomorrow start your jogging laugh.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Apr 14 2009, 05:55 PM)
no need to notworthy.gif so much la.
tonite sleep early, tomorrow start your jogging laugh.gif
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Lol, I still have to rush my assignment tonight if not confirm won't make it in time already @@

But tomorrow I'll jog la. Die on bed then shall it be laugh.gif
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post Apr 14 2009, 05:58 PM

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Glad to see you stay positive...experience...go for it....

finish off the assignment....and get sweat it out real good....
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 05:52 PM)
Studying is the free-est time possible in your life.
I am still studying, during my internship days, although not much workload but the time travel etc. when you reach home already dead tired.

i been feeling guilty not exercising for 3 days > < too much sore from last swimming
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I'm feeling the guilt too for not exercising but for different reasons.

I'm sick yet again. Going to be sore when I start training tomorrow. Debating whether to start exercising before I finish the antibiotics or not. 2 more days. Going to start some light walking. This cough very hard to get rid off. Making me sweat but not a good way to do it. Warning to you all : never take up smoking. The toxins will come out of your body and make u feel worst. I see the black ashes, it's bad.

Scary when getting sick though. Lost another kilo in the span of 3 days. Not a good sign.


Added on April 14, 2009, 7:15 pmexperience : time management during my study days was plotting how i can get away with spending too much time on my assignments and exam studying. then rest of the time, go play play. smile.gif

with exercise, need buddies. we kinda support one another here. if we slack, wah, a lot of noise but encouragement too.

and we share what we eat to tempt each other.

syd g : err, i was reading up on some marathon details. you have someone running with u right? as well as someone training with u rite? got backup and contingency plans rite? (sorry, just worried after reading about what takes to be a marathon runner. scary).

tengster : i can tell you that when you start swimming, u realise that it's a different cardio workout from running. different muscles.

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driving car friggin tiring man~
before car practical lesson,i am 52kg,after practical lesson im 51.3 shakehead.gif rclxub.gif
after taken dinner,i gain to 52.2 doh.gif will be 51.7 next morning smile.gif coz my weight will decrease 0.5 everymorning before take my breakfast rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 12:38 AM)
You know what? the word kompiang strikes me, i just came back from a late class reached home, the first thing i saw on the table - kompiang, so my dominant right hand naturally try to grab it but my left hand somehow slapped my right hand to stop it. (angel vs demon situation)

If you know what kompiang is made of you must know you should avoid at all cost, it's FLOURRRRR, + Larkkk + More pig's fattest possible part inside.

Yes, i have a few vegetarian friend, they always bring their own food, it taste so good that sometimes if he has extra we will steal it and eat xD.

If you are given a chance, join in food preparation process you should have a clear picture what is the good and the bad. Note: my house's cooking has 'zero' sugar. Maybe it's just me, food with sugar taste AWFUL, happens to visit Taiwan years ago and those heavily advertised food by Jacky Woo aint my taste at all, all taste so sweet.


Added on April 14, 2009, 12:41 amFor the bread spread, you might opt for cheese, slice for lazy one. Bake them = omg

Butter + kaya = well kaya = sugar + sugar + more sugar, witness the process of making it, almost faint. I only take butter, anti margerine, you can mix with peanut butter too, quite fattening too.

I ate mostly without spread nowadays, putting eggs, meats and vegetable on it, makes it looks nice and certainly taste nice.
Note sure about tuna, wanted to try someday. Goose liver, those bought from Europe were finished, not sure bout the label and calories, since it is internal organs should have high fats.

My mom homemade a pineapple jam too, certainly jam without some addictive dont taste as good as those you bought in the supermarket, not sure what she didn't put, but i like the texture of the jam and not so sweet like commercial one
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LOL. I should tell my mum not to buy those kompiang anymore. She always love to tempt me to eat for lunch cause last time i always skip it.

I dont think i have enough time to prepare the wholemeal bread with cheese. Anyway maybe i'll just stick to plain wholemeal bread and lowfat milk.

Will start my jogging in the morning in a few days time but my time management really sucks like experience. lol. I cannot manage my time propelly. I normally sleep about 1am or so then wake up in the morning at 6.30am. If want to do jogging, need to wake up at 5.30am or 5.45 then drive to the field jog until 6.30 then need to rush for home to prepare for school. Any advice for this?

Is it good sleeping in the evening like 4pm? What i mean is real sleeping not just nap, for about 2hours to 3hours. All working guys sure dont have the chance like me. After my school i would normally have my tuition class then i go take a sleep until normally 7pm. I don't think i am able to sleep early in the night .


QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 09:03 AM)
richard3200 : you sound shy bringing a food container to school. smile.gif It's a girlie thing, no? smile.gif You'll be surprise when you go out and work, the number of guys who bring packed lunches from home smile.gif. Anyway, it's something that you have to decide for yourself. You know our stand, it's up to you now to decide what you want to do - your health or your pride (what makes you shy to bring food container to school).

I'm going to stop here. If I tell you more stuff, you may get too confuse. And from your posts, I get the feeling that you are getting there. Give yourself 2 weeks to get used to the change in food eating :

-reduce deep fried food until it's out of your diet. eat maybe once a week?
-reduce sugar by half each time
-reduce rice until finally 2 tablespoon, but if not, just reduce by half
-eat more vegetables
-eat more fruits

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Let you know in 2 weeks time on how it goes. Just try to control my intake of food 1st bah.

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 05:01 PM)
Went pool swimming, just swam 30mins then close liao = =, only done 5.5 laps. I took the form to enroll for swimming course edi, oldest noob in class later xD
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Sky. You are the MAN . I think obese ppl like me and sky should be doing swimming for exercises. The buoyant force helps alot.

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 07:11 PM)
I'm feeling the guilt too for not exercising but for different reasons.

I'm sick yet again. Going to be sore when I start training tomorrow. Debating whether to start exercising before I finish the antibiotics or not. 2 more days. Going to start some light walking. This cough very hard to get rid off. Making me sweat but not a good way to do it. Warning to you all : never take up smoking. The toxins will come out of your body and make u feel worst. I see the black ashes, it's bad.

Scary when getting sick though. Lost another kilo in the span of 3 days. Not a good sign.


Added on April 14, 2009, 7:15 pmexperience : time management during my study days was plotting how i can get away with spending too much time on my assignments and exam studying. then rest of the time, go play play. smile.gif

with exercise, need buddies. we kinda support one another here. if we slack, wah, a lot of noise but encouragement too.

and we share what we eat to tempt each other.

syd g : err, i was reading up on some marathon details. you have someone running with u right? as well as someone training with u rite? got backup and contingency plans rite? (sorry, just worried after reading about what takes to be a marathon runner. scary).

tengster : i can tell you that when you start swimming, u realise that it's a different cardio workout from running. different muscles.
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Wiki-san, i might need ur help again in time-management though is out of topic in this thread. notworthy.gif


Isn't losing 1kg good?


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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 14 2009, 07:17 PM)
driving car friggin tiring man~
before car practical lesson,i am 52kg,after practical lesson im 51.3 shakehead.gif rclxub.gif
after taken dinner,i gain to 52.2 doh.gif will be 51.7 next morning smile.gif coz my weight will decrease 0.5 everymorning before take my breakfast rclxms.gif
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So fast u can start ur car practical lesson? I tot you could only start listening to those ceramah after ur birthday. Well thats how it goes in my town.

Yea. Those car practical lesson take a lot of energy and can really burn down ur fat with the heat itself in the car.

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Clarkfann: I was told not to weigh ourself too often....maybe just once a week. look at the mirror more....I weigh myself at least once a day...hehehhehe....

myremi - I have been swimming though I am lousy. I can feel this cardio is dang tough...Maybe the way I swim is like rhinoceroes playing mud water.......aiyoh...just do some light walking without pressure......just keep them working.....the muscle....

RICH - lose weight thru sickness...aint good....


Added on April 14, 2009, 7:34 pmRICH - I bring breakkie and lunch container to my office.....I am not any shameful about it. Bottomline I eat clean and no one can take that away from me.....

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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 14 2009, 07:29 PM)
LOL. I should tell my mum not to buy those kompiang anymore. She always love to tempt me to eat for lunch cause last time i always skip it.

I dont think i have enough time to prepare the wholemeal bread with cheese. Anyway maybe i'll just stick to plain wholemeal bread and lowfat milk.

Will start my jogging in the  morning in a few days time but my time management really sucks like experience. lol. I cannot manage my time propelly. I normally sleep about 1am or so then wake up in the morning at 6.30am. If want to do jogging, need to wake up at 5.30am or 5.45  then drive to the field jog until 6.30 then need to rush for home to prepare for school. Any advice for this?

Is it good sleeping in the evening like 4pm? What i mean is real sleeping not just nap, for about 2hours to 3hours. All working guys sure dont have the chance like me. After my school i would normally have my tuition class then i go take a sleep until normally 7pm. I don't think i am able to sleep early in the night .
Let you know in 2 weeks time on how it goes. Just try to control my intake of food 1st bah.
Sky. You are the MAN . I think obese ppl like me and sky should be doing swimming for exercises. The buoyant force helps alot.
Wiki-san, i might need ur help again in time-management though is out of topic in this thread.  notworthy.gif 
Isn't losing 1kg good?


Added on April 14, 2009, 7:31 pm

So fast u can start ur car practical lesson? I tot you could only start listening to those ceramah after ur birthday. Well thats how it goes in my town.

Yea. Those car practical lesson take a lot of energy and can really burn down ur fat with the heat itself in the car.
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i will be 18 years old on May 8th bro wink.gif
i borned in 1991,i already can start my car practical lesson since last year wink.gif

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I lose 1 kg because I lost my appetite in the last 2 days. Very weak. Bad way to lose weight. Only today manage to get appetite bad but not much.

Time management : U know how to look at a school timetable rite? Make a block like that for all the hours of the week and plan it that way. Use drawing paper if you have to. That's how I learnt it with my Dad when I was younger. smile.gif

I was a lazy student compared to my friends. They like to brag how they can study the whole afternoon until midnite. I study 2 hrs in afternoon. Rest - read book, watch TV, play with cat. You can start with 30 min exercise and work from there. Enough time to mandi and have dinner. After dinner, another 2-3 hrs study. Then sleep at 10 pm. I took short breaks in-between study time. Weekend rest days started from Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Sunday evening - retrain mind back to studying and cramming homework. smile.gif If homework is tough one, sometimes start as early as Saturday but I try not too. Spoil my weekend only. smile.gif

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 07:33 PM)
Clarkfann: I was told not to weigh ourself too often....maybe just once a week. look at the mirror more....I weigh myself at least once a day...hehehhehe....

myremi - I have been swimming though I am lousy. I can feel this cardio is dang tough...Maybe the way I swim is like rhinoceroes playing mud water.......aiyoh...just do some light walking without pressure......just keep them working.....the muscle....

RICH - lose weight thru sickness...aint good....


Added on April 14, 2009, 7:34 pmRICH - I bring breakkie and lunch container to my office.....I am not any shameful about it. Bottomline I eat clean and no one can take that away from me.....
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its better if u track ur weight each time u take ur meal wink.gif coz u'll know how much weight u gain after u taken the meals.. smile.gif
the ultimate weight loss website guide us like this too wink.gif
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huhhhhh....weighing too often will get your mood swing up and down....like hormonal effect...no good lerhh.....

sometime the weight cud be due to water retention....
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 07:41 PM)
huhhhhh....weighing too often will get your mood swing up and down....like hormonal effect...no good lerhh.....

sometime the weight cud be due to water retention....
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yea,ur rite
sometimes the weight could be due to the water retention wink.gif
but i started to lose weight since last year August,no hormonal effect on me,i track my weight since dieting
coz i would know how my weight rise and drop,cause by what....all i know icon_rolleyes.gif
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what i mean is more of mood swing...

lose weight = happy

stagnant = quiet and walk away

increase weight = guilty and sad


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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 07:53 PM)
what i mean is more of mood swing...

lose weight = happy

stagnant = quiet and walk away

increase weight = guilty and sad
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i know what u mean!LOL
but i get used to to track my weight,its Ok wink.gif
depends on dif ppl lah laugh.gif
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i talk only pandai....I also weigh on daily basis...sometimes twice a day.....
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 14 2009, 07:34 PM)
i will be 18 years old on May 8th bro wink.gif
i borned in 1991,i already can start my car practical lesson since last year wink.gif
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oh... sry . Cause i remembered u said u was form 5... then now i realise you are going to be 18 this year and taking SPM too?

QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 07:37 PM)
I lose 1 kg because I lost my appetite in the last 2 days. Very weak. Bad way to lose weight. Only today manage to get appetite bad but not much.

Time management : U know how to look at a school timetable rite? Make a block like that for all the hours of the week and plan it that way. Use drawing paper if you have to. That's how I learnt it with my Dad when I was younger. smile.gif

I was a lazy student compared to my friends. They like to brag how they can study the whole afternoon until midnite. I study 2 hrs in afternoon. Rest - read book, watch TV, play with cat. You can start with 30 min exercise and work from there. Enough time to mandi and have dinner. After dinner, another 2-3 hrs study. Then sleep at 10 pm. I took short breaks in-between study time. Weekend rest days started from Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Sunday evening - retrain mind back to studying and cramming homework. smile.gif If homework is tough one, sometimes start as early as Saturday but I try not too. Spoil my weekend only. smile.gif
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Ooo. I tried but failed terribly lol.

QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 08:08 PM)
i talk only pandai....I also weigh on daily basis...sometimes twice a day.....
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Yea yea, tengster talk pandai but he really can motivate stubborn ppl like me. lol

I don't even dare to step on the weighing machine scared will spoil. tongue.gif

Anyway i know wad i did the best i could do is okay liao. Never cheat on myself . whistling.gif

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 08:08 PM)
i talk only pandai....I also weigh on daily basis...sometimes twice a day.....
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sleep.gif i thought u weight urself once a week dry.gif now u said u talk only pandai... vmad.gif grumble.gif
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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 14 2009, 08:14 PM)
oh... sry . Cause i remembered u said u was form 5... then now i realise you are going to be 18 this year and taking SPM too?
Ooo. I tried but failed terribly lol.
Yea yea, tengster talk pandai but he really can motivate stubborn ppl like me. lol

I don't even dare to step on the weighing machine scared will spoil. tongue.gif

Anyway i know wad i did the best i could do is okay liao. Never cheat on myself . whistling.gif
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yep. nod.gif i studied peralihan before,thats why i will 18 this year and still studying FORM 5 cry.gif
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in short, Clarkfann ate lemon at 13yo......hehehe...

RICH - get back to your studies.....tomorrow morning you ought to do brisk walking for 30minutes.....
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 08:32 PM)
in short, Clarkfann ate lemon at 13yo......hehehe...

RICH - get back to your studies.....tomorrow morning you ought to do brisk walking for 30minutes.....
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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 14 2009, 08:32 PM)
in short, Clarkfann ate lemon at 13yo......hehehe...

RICH - get back to your studies.....tomorrow morning you ought to do brisk walking for 30minutes.....
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nah,its not 0,that time i was 12 not 13 wink.gif
i get C in UPSR BM KARANGAN..D in PERMAHAMAN :cry:thats why i hav to study PERALIHAN..

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all your words are so true tongue.gif but its life hehe
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 14 2009, 08:55 PM)
all your words are so true tongue.gif but its life hehe
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r u talking to me? wub.gif
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Lol looks like losing weight compromise of time management too. I am doing my final year project, i have terrible time management too, that's why i am never really good at my studies, somehow i managed at the borderline only.

@richard
all the best xD, SPM is the happiest time in my life thoght i screwed up the result

@wiki-san
you smoked before? I am not a smoker, in fact i hate smoker ( sorry smoker) but my father is a chain smoker which means I am a hardcore second hand smoker =(. I cant imagine the later days when i work and if all my colleagues smokes how to make my lungs dirt free..

I seldom get sick compared to last time, but if i felt sick now i would eat really a lot now, somehow i dont know where I got the appetite from, but i just keep eating and drinking water, surprisingly it recovers after a day or two.

I just weight myself just now, but that was after i swim, seems like lost a kg or two, but cant be too sure, cant see clearly from standing position, it's a analogue weighting machine.

I see a lot of engineers here xD, me another one in near future
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 14 2009, 08:59 PM)
r u talking to me? wub.gif
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hehe wub.gif it could be wub.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 14 2009, 09:16 PM)
hehe  wub.gif  it could be  wub.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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LOL laugh.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 07:11 PM)

Added on April 14, 2009, 7:15 pmexperience : time management during my study days was plotting how i can get away with spending too much time on my assignments and exam studying. then rest of the time, go play play. smile.gif

with exercise, need buddies. we kinda support one another here. if we slack, wah, a lot of noise but encouragement too.

and we share what we eat to tempt each other.
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Yeah, you're right. I didn't go for exercise for 2 years in uni back then was because none of them are active. If they go sport, I go. If not, nothing happens.

Then, when I was with my ex we went basketball quite frequently, I can see drastic improvement.

When she left, everything turned upside down back to where I slumped. Sigh.

So, all I do now is courseworks, and very rare joggings. sad.gif

Haha. Back to assignmenting. Thanks for your comment.
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yeah lol lets get back to the topic, so how did you "people" out there get to ask your mom to cook something non-fattening brows.gif
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 14 2009, 09:34 PM)
yeah lol lets get back to the topic, so how did you "people" out there get to ask your mom to cook something non-fattening brows.gif
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no,she has no time
too bad,i take wholemeal bread everymorning and oatmeal everynight
lunch she went to kopitiam and buy for me blush.gif
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@clark
i realised you changed your avatar xD.

BTW is spaghetti simple carbohydrate too? I cant think of much replacement to noodles and rice beside wholemeal bread, it's getting boring soon if i eat the same thing over and over again. any other suggestion?
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skyLive: normal spaghetti is indeed simple carbs BUT you can go buy wholemeal spaghetti/fettucine/linguini/etc.......


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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 09:49 PM)
@clark
i realised you changed your avatar xD.

BTW is spaghetti simple carbohydrate too? I cant think of much replacement to noodles and rice beside wholemeal bread, it's getting boring soon if i eat the same thing over and over again. any other suggestion?
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yea,NO McD for me tongue.gif [as long as im still dieting brows.gif ]
yea,spaghtti is simple carbs
alrite,wholemeal bread/oatmeal..are complex carbs

Good Sources Of Carbs
Vegetables
Fruits
Oatmeal
Brown Rice
Sweet Potatoes
Beans
Other Whole Wheat/Whole Grain Products

check this out skylive wink.gif
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/weight-loss.php#section1
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 14 2009, 09:42 PM)
no,she has no time
too bad,i take wholemeal bread everymorning and oatmeal everynight
lunch she went to kopitiam and buy for me blush.gif
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 14 2009, 09:55 PM)
hehe you're such lucky doh.gif my mom cooks me OILLY STUFFS and i was like "i'm not touching that"
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i aint lucky actually
how much i wish my mum has time to cook healthy dishes for me sad.gif
but she has no time,thats why i take wholemeal bread everymorning,and oatmeal everynite..coz its available in shopping centre/supermarket smile.gif
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haha =P you dunno how to cook doh.gif? one day if you learn, post laju to me here!! i wan try xD *opens up, its a slice wholemeal bread*
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QUOTE(BlueKM @ Apr 14 2009, 10:11 PM)
haha =P you dunno how to cook doh.gif? one day if you learn, post laju to me here!! i wan try xD *opens up, its a slice wholemeal bread*
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hard to tell u my schedule.. yawn.gif
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just wondering, i tried googled this question but the answer i get is yes and no

Q : fats only start to burn when u do cardio above 15minutes?

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QUOTE(MiriamForever @ Apr 14 2009, 10:45 PM)
just wondering, i tried googled this question but the answer i get is yes and no

Q : fats only start to burn when u do cardio above 15minutes?

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no,its still burning if u do over 15mins too wink.gif
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no, what i mean is

after 15 minutes of cardio > START burning fats

means u do cardio for 1-14 minutes u dun burn fat
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QUOTE(MiriamForever @ Apr 14 2009, 11:01 PM)
no, what i mean is

after 15 minutes of cardio > START burning fats

means u do cardio for 1-14 minutes u dun burn fat
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oh sry,i got whatcha mean now,juz now retarded tongue.gif
i hav no idea about this
but everytime i do cardio over 15 mins icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(MiriamForever @ Apr 14 2009, 11:01 PM)
no, what i mean is

after 15 minutes of cardio > START burning fats

means u do cardio for 1-14 minutes u dun burn fat
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How about if the answer isn't quite that simple when it comes to cardio and fat.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Cardio-to-Burn-F...rkout&id=460761


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I am not wiki-san but i will try to answer from my shallow pool of knowledge, fats should be more your body's energy storage, meaning it acts as a reservoir of energy. It releases twice as much energy compare to carbohydrates and protein(not sure bout this).

Your body tend to rely on immediate energy source when it requires, the simplest form of obtaining instant energy is through carbohydrates. When it run out of source from carbohydrates then only it will straight pulling out from the reservoir - fats.

For the 15mins thingy, i am not too sure. Wait wiki-san to clarrified on it xD

@clark
thanks for the link but i have read it before edi.
Speaking of McD, i dont quite like to eat them but they are damn convenient with their drive through service. I used to eat it quite often because it's the only food you can buy along MRR2 and eat when you drive lol

hehe thanks tengster i will try to look out for it, spaghetti yum yum
strangely i like to eat it in Chinese cooking style, mee soup xD. hate pasta sauce.

p/s wikisan posted before me

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errr...wiki-san just use google machine to find the answer lah....just got back. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 11:12 PM)
errr...wiki-san just use google machine to find the answer lah....just got back. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 14 2009, 11:11 PM)
I am not wiki-san but i will try to answer from my shallow pool of knowledge, fats should be more your body's energy storage, meaning it acts as a reservoir of energy. It releases twice as much energy compare to carbohydrates and protein(not sure bout this).

Your body tend to rely on immediate energy source when it requires, the simplest form of obtaining instant energy is through carbohydrates. When it run out of source from carbohydrates then only it will straight pulling out from the reservoir - fats.

For the 15mins thingy, i am not too sure. Wait wiki-san to clarrified on it xD

@clark
thanks for the link but i have read it before edi.
Speaking of McD, i dont quite like to eat them but they are damn convenient with their drive through service. I used to eat it quite often because it's the only food you can buy along MRR2 and eat when you drive lol

hehe thanks tengster i will try to look out for it, spaghetti yum yum
strangely i like to eat it in Chinese cooking style, mee soup xD. hate pasta sauce.

p/s wikisan posted before me
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yea,its too convenient even its not drive thru service..i mean McD
my living place is very close to McD..then my fitness centre is close to McD too
everytime i look at the barisan of ppl who'r queuing fot McD meals..i was like grumble.gif doh.gif
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this is horrible shakehead.gif shocking.gif rclxub.gif
pls read this thread
http://ezinearticles.com/?Aerobics-is-Fina...y-It&id=2207874
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QUOTE(ClarkFann @ Apr 14 2009, 11:32 PM)
this is horrible shakehead.gif  shocking.gif  rclxub.gif
pls read this thread
http://ezinearticles.com/?Aerobics-is-Fina...y-It&id=2207874
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If you have seen Richard Simmons, you'd thank your lucky stars that that article is correct.


Added on April 14, 2009, 11:44 pmmiriam : you might want to check out the discussion here about cardio workouts for burning fat i.e. HIIT :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/997723

If someone bites, just persevere on for an answer. Usually someone patient will answer.



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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 11:39 PM)
If you have seen Richard Simmons, you'd thank your lucky stars that that article is correct.


Added on April 14, 2009, 11:44 pmmiriam : you might want to check  out the discussion here about cardio workouts for burning fat i.e. HIIT :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/997723

If someone bites, just persevere on for an answer. Usually someone patient will answer.
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dunno who Richard Simmons is tongue.gif
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http://ezinearticles.com/?21st-Century-Exe...lete&id=2207863
this woman Carolyn Hansen hatred cardio blink.gif wacko.gif
she non stop repeating this
The modern focus is on addressing a major health problem for most adults, the loss of 7-10 pounds of muscle tissue every decade. The only type of exercise that can reverse this trend is strength training exercise. dry.gif Recovering and rebuilding lost muscle has become imperative in our sedentary and inactive world as this factor alone is directly linked to at least 50 illnesses and conditions

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i do cardio 40 min then rest smile.gif can i lose weight like that too? i do dumbell-lifting but its like 0.5kg each dumbell blush.gif
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im done rclxub.gif
http://ezinearticles.com/?Time-For-Some-Ca...tion&id=2006377
I'll also give you my professional opinion on running: if your main goal is health and improvements in body composition, I would not do it. There are too many other options that are much more joint friendly. I spoke to a radiologist a few years ago, and he said he would never run again because of all the damage he sees in individuals who ran frequently. It can just wear out your knees. This is especially true if you are a woman. Sorry, ladies. We are biologically made to have wider hips, and that's not great news if you spend time running. Several years ago I used to run several days a week, and my right knee started to hurt. I got an MRI on my knee and was told my medial meniscus was in the shape "that you see in an older person." I believe I was only 18 then.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 14 2009, 07:11 PM)
syd g : err, i was reading up on some marathon details. you have someone running with u right? as well as someone training with u rite? got backup and contingency plans rite? (sorry, just worried after reading about what takes to be a marathon runner. scary).
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someone running with me? not all the time. kl mara is so small - no 29k runners unlike ny marathon. probably less than 1k.

i train with some frens, yes smile.gif

i dont hv backup and contingency plans. biggrin.gif

for the rest of you : learn how to cook lah. it's not that hard.
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clarkfann : hmm....rest your brain a bit.

Actually, after you posted the links and re-reading the other cardio thread, it looks like there's 2 types of cardio here : aerobic and anaerobic.

Hmm...and I need to do some thinking about it too. wink.gif
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anaerobic (without air/oxygen) cardio = sprints et al. the ones u can do even when ur holding ur breath.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 15 2009, 12:11 AM)
clarkfann : hmm....rest your brain a bit.

Actually, after you posted the links and re-reading the other cardio thread, it looks like there's 2 types of cardio here : aerobic and anaerobic.

Hmm...and I need to do some thinking about it too. wink.gif
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yea,me too
i see there's 2 types of statement between cardio is good/bad
yea,i noe the differences between aerobic and anaerobic..
but juz want to make sure izit cardio good for health,i do cardio everyweeks..and its quite high intense..
like 310 mins a week rclxub.gif im so confused by those statement,if it really harm our knee and health
i guess i better not doing it that much anymore unsure.gif

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In aerobic, there are 2 types too. One is meant to burn carb, another one is meant to burn fats.

Anaerobic is out of question if we want to burn fats. It is good to train for lactose endurance and to ensure muscle can perform near to max even when it starts to soar.

So, in a cardio training, it is good to have the burn carb type aerobic to increase our cardiovascular capacity. From my experience, we need to eat enough in order to perform well in this kind of cardio training.


By the way, dinner at 7.30pm. Taken McD Fish burger, 2 apple pie. Then go redbox sing from 8pm - 12.30am, with 2 duno what drinks. Only 1 friend singing with me, sing till no voice ady

Erm... sing K can burn fats? tongue.gif
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Sing K burn throat xD, i wanna sing too, but by taking vocal class, maybe someday.

I dropped all my free weight training, no more push ups, sit ups, crunch etc.

Experimenting with something, currently making my whole waist blue black now.. Let you all know the result next time

On the running is bad for joint, i heard it from my mom too, she stopped jogging completely and only do walking for a short duration.


Added on April 15, 2009, 2:26 amhttp://health.learninginfo.org/cardio-health.htm

o.O kick boxing and yoga as cardio?

finding more variety of cardio xD

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anything that elevates ur heart rate is cardio exercise ler sleep.gif

this includes bedroom olympics
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The sports type kick boxing is good for cardio, they are basically kick boxing dances. However, martial arts type of kick boxing is 70% anaerobic.

Kick boxing trains more on major muscles, whereas Yoga trains more on the minor (holding) muscles.

Training on major muscles burn more fats, training on minor muscle increased flexibility and less joint injuries.
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In aerobic, there are 2 types too. One is meant to burn carb, another one is meant to burn fats.

Anaerobic is out of question if we want to burn fats. It is good to train for lactose endurance and to ensure muscle can perform near to max even when it starts to soar.

So, in a cardio training, it is good to have the burn carb type aerobic to increase our cardiovascular capacity. From my experience, we need to eat enough in order to perform well in this kind of cardio training.
By the way, dinner at 7.30pm. Taken McD Fish burger, 2 apple pie. Then go redbox sing from 8pm - 12.30am, with 2 duno what drinks. Only 1 friend singing with me, sing till no voice ady

Erm... sing K can burn fats? tongue.gif
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Hmm...I thought that anaerobic cardio was the one to burn fat. Based on the Cardio link in the Bodybuilding and Strength forum.
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My understanding from what I have studied is, anaerobic burns carbo. It needs fast glycolysis and the end result is ATP + lactic acid. Fast glycolysis doesn't need sufficient O2.

Fat burn type aerobic needs ALOT of O2 in order to convert fats to ATP. Sometimes if the intensity is a bit high during aerobic will cause momentary insufficient O2, thus the slow glycolysis will use carbo to generate ATP without the beta oxidation to convert fats to ATP.

Theory aside. It does work this way for my body.

No food = no power when I do a lot of fast punches and kicks (anaerobic) and high intensity aerobic exercise (my elliptical training).

If I have an empty stomach, I will go for low intensity and slow rowing on elliptical, which can last me for more than 1 hour.


Added on April 15, 2009, 11:35 amAnother thing to add on:

Anaerobic can never train cardio, because we cannot sustain long period of pure anaerobic (maximum 1 minute). Anaerobic can only increase our tolerance to lactic acid, so that muscle can even perform under acidic (fatigue) condition. So, cardio training is always more on aerobic and a lil of anaerobic in between.

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charge-n-go : Actually, perhaps we may have to change the concept of cardio a bit.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/997723

Check out the links on this forum. What they concluded is that it's not that the fat is burnt during the anaerobic phase but during the recovery period after the anaerobic phase.

In one of the articles, I think it's mentioned 1 min but it was difficult to wallow through it to find out where. Too much emotion and drama in the article but that's most of the way the Americans like to write English. I need to rewrite somewhere without all the dramatical "I-told-you-so" phrases.

When I see ATP and all, my head pening a bit. You guys are pushing me to understand cardio faster than my mind can process it lah. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 15 2009, 10:47 AM)
anything that elevates ur heart rate is cardio exercise ler sleep.gif

this includes bedroom olympics
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She's rite about that. rclxm9.gif

charge-n-go : perhaps should talk more to Syd G. She may understand better than us about cardio. smile.gif

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I thought ur a chemist xD.

i almost forgot what is ATP from not touching on biology for so many years.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 15 2009, 01:28 PM)
charge-n-go : Actually, perhaps we may have to change the concept of cardio a bit.
charge-n-go : perhaps should talk more to Syd G. She may understand better than us about cardio. smile.gif
She's rite about that.  rclxm9.gif
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Yes, cardio is training for heart. Basically it is to train the blood/oxygen delivery system in body.

You see, activities like martial arts, especially tradisional martial arts which focus purely on combat has not much help on cardiovascular. The fighter reacts upon the opponent moves. We are not in total control of the situation. Sometimes in 1 minute, we have to punch and kick like hell, and then come down to a complete stop for 1 - 2 minute, awaiting for the next chance to attack. So, the short bursting takes alot of ATP, and the HR may shoot up very very quickly. When it comes to a complete stop and observing stage, the HR may drop down significantly. For martial arts alike sports, such as football, in order to boost cardio in an efficient way, we always have different kind of trainings. That's what we called interval training in general term. However, when near to competition, we always have to condition the body muscle with lactose tolerance training, with more anaerobic training ratio compared to aerobic.

The stamina used in anaerobic related sports is very different from aerobic type. I have students who is a damn good marathon runners, but once go into martial arts training, their stamina is completely drained in 30 minutes. I have also students who can last martial arts training for 2 hours, but can't even jog for 30 minutes. I was like that too, I can't run for more than 40 minutes, but I can last martial arts training for hours.

In running, heart rate are kept almost similar throughout the race. Well, syd G is the expert in this field, let her explain about it.

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er.. i'm not an expert sweat.gif

do u guys use a heart rate monitor or something? i'd suggest it for people who're trying to lose weight or cardio newbies.
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 15 2009, 01:35 PM)
I thought ur a chemist xD.

i almost forgot what is ATP from not touching on biology for so many years.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 15 2009, 01:28 PM)
Check out the links on this forum. What they concluded is that it's not that the fat is burnt during the anaerobic phase but during the recovery period after the anaerobic phase.
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I missed this tongue.gif

Yes, you are correct. But to effectively burn fats, low intensity with long duration is a better method.

An easy scenario would be:
1st, you run 100m with full speed, perhaps last 15seconds (anaerobic)
2nd, you rest for 3 minute. (body is trying to use carbo/fats to convert to ATP)
3rd, you run 100m again with full speed in 15 seconds.
4th, you rest again for 3 minutes.
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and so on.

So, how long can we sustain running full speed at 100m?

and, during rest time of 3 minutes, the kCal burnt is very little.

So, in 1 hour time, we may burn less fats that a continuous activity with low intensity + long duration.

My elliptical with interval training (level 10, 1 minute, level 5, 3 mins) burn less kCal than normal intensity with long duration (level 6 for continuous).

The interval training burn about 800kCal per hour, but normal intensity cardio training burns up to 1080kCal per hour.

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charge-n-go : u are very complicated. tongue.gif When I suggested Syd G, I was thinking that she probably had simpler indicators for cardio.

Hmm...when you threw in the martial weights training recruitment, that threw out the discussion off a little bit.

Maybe we should define the boundaries. What do you want?
-Weight Loss?
-Martial Arts?
-If both, what are the conditions?

Because then the cardio discussion will change based on what your goals are.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 15 2009, 02:29 PM)
I'm very rusty and when you read emotionally charged articles from fitness experts, it drains a lot of brainpower trying to rethink what they wrote so that it's simpler to understand.
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WIKI-san, I salute you for the patience. notworthy.gif
For me, I read and do what they suggest, see the kCal meter / HR meter and then only think what the heck this training is up to biggrin.gif


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charge-n-go : u are very complicated. tongue.gif When I suggested Syd G, I was thinking that she probably had simpler indicators for cardio.

Hmm...when you threw in the martial weights training recruitment, that threw out the discussion off a little bit.

Maybe we should define the boundaries. What do you want?
-Weight Loss?
-Martial Arts?
-If both, what are the conditions?

Because then the cardio discussion will change based on what your goals are.
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I want weight loss now, as I carry a 10kg fatty bag to move my body, very sien la biggrin.gif
But I know martial arts type of training (anaerobic) cannot work effectively, since I didnt have any weight drop at all.
However, after I switch to the aerobic based cardio training, I shaved weight.

I am actually a lot more interested in diet compared to training sessions smile.gif

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ok lemme break them

when to do hiit (intervals) - anaerobic + aerobic cardio
* when you're trying to lose weight fast (burn carbs during exercise, but burn more fat afterwards compared to aerobic exercises)
* when you're looking for performance enhancement in athletics

when to do 60-80% max hr aerobic cardio
* when you're building your endurance level as opposed to speed (mental endurance, especially)
* when you're doing active recovery (run during off-days)
* when you're doing it just to maintain ur fitness level

in short, if you want to lose fat - do your hiit.
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I missed this tongue.gif

Yes, you are correct. But to effectively burn fats, low intensity with long duration is a better method.

An easy scenario would be:
1st, you run 100m with full speed, perhaps last 15seconds (anaerobic)
2nd, you rest for 3 minute. (body is trying to use carbo/fats to convert to ATP)
3rd, you run 100m again with full speed in 15 seconds.
4th, you rest again for 3 minutes.
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and so on.

So, how long can we sustain running full speed at 100m?

and, during rest time of 3 minutes, the kCal burnt is very little.

So, in 1 hour time, we may burn less fats that a continuous activity with low intensity + long duration.

My elliptical with interval training (level 10, 1 minute, level 5, 3 mins) burn less kCal than normal intensity with long duration (level 6 for continuous).

The interval training burn about 800kCal per hour, but normal intensity cardio training burns up to 1080kCal per hour.
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You're making me think too much about Energy Balances and bringing in Mass Transfer and Heat Transfer now. It's harder to apply those rules to a human body, YOU KNOW? tongue.gif And now having to dig up medical terms too. tongue.gif

Bit busy the past few nights so haven't had time to chew on all of this. My only concept atm is that the body needs energy to move (exercise or normal movement) and that it's taking it from blood sugar. That blood sugar is in various forms though, depending on what the body is doing and what nutrients/fuel is available. Losing weight is the side-effect of this energy consumption. Building/losing muscles is a side-effect of this energy consumption. Building stamina is something I haven't quite figure out yet because haven't seen how it fits into the entire thing. Just need to min-max this energy consumption to get to what we want. Min-max : changing the body/environment to get maximum benefits/goal achievement with minimum losses/goals incomplete.

The bit that is interesting is how it all fits together. And there's something about blood sugar that plays a major role in all chronic diseases that is also interesting.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 15 2009, 10:47 AM)
anything that elevates ur heart rate is cardio exercise ler sleep.gif

this includes bedroom olympics
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oh yeah. I have one and I think it's very useful. When I am doing cardio, I try to stay within the heart rate zone i.e. 65-80% in longer duration. During this heart beat, the cardio is named as aerobic exercise..

Anything above that will be called anerobic exercise. It will still burn fat but not as effective as when you are staying within the burn fat zone.

NO...i didnt wear it during bedroom Olympic. I always get Gold Medal.... drool.gif

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 15 2009, 02:47 PM)
Anything above that will be called anerobic exercise. It will still burn fat but not as effective as when you are staying within the burn fat zone.
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you're quite there smile.gif

anaerobic exercise, if done intensive enough, will burn approx 2x the amount of fat compared to aerobic exercise of same duration - afterwards

if you dont believe me, try a good hiit program and you'll be sweating for hours afterwards.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 15 2009, 02:55 PM)
anaerobic exercise, if done intensive enough, will burn approx 2x the amount of fat compared to aerobic exercise of same duration - afterwards

if you dont believe me, try a good hiit program and you'll be sweating for hours afterwards.
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You reminded me something!

No wonder everytime I balik after Taekwondo training, still feel the body heaty and hard to sleep (still feel very hyperactive) until 3 hours after training. Elliptical session can never do this.

So, this is called burning fats? laugh.gif
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you are referring to EPOC.......Hiit will be merely 7% more effective in burning calory than LISS.....this was what I read from bb.com

anyway, I sometime do incorporate abit of Hiit into my running so that my hear t wont just accustomed to 155bpm.....sometimes, I whack hati-ku sampai 180.......then gostan speed so that I dont see stars.
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Yes... very headache subject. Wei, I think if we can understand all these, we can become advisor and earn $ ady laugh.gif
You reminded me something!

No wonder everytime I balik after Taekwondo training, still feel the body heaty and hard to sleep (still feel very hyperactive) until 3 hours after training. Elliptical session can never do this.

So, this is called burning fats? laugh.gif
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It's because of the raise heartbeat during the session that carries on after you complete the session. It usually happens when you've had a solid workout with your entire body. Why the elliptical machine doesn't do that, is because you're not exactly using your whole body. Yes you're sweating, but only your legs, hips are moving. Also the resistance is extremely low.
So....well, it cools off after a short while.
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shocking.gif so many post and i hardly understand , like see stars rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Anyway, i just watched "The Biggest Loser" show. The trainer said that, if we keep on doing cardio , it would only build our cardio but not muscles .

Is that true? hmm.gif

So, we opt to go to the gym and doing cardio in interval?

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It's because of the raise heartbeat during the session that carries on after you complete the session. It usually happens when you've had a solid workout with your entire body. Why the elliptical machine doesn't do that, is because you're not exactly using your whole body. Yes you're sweating, but only your legs, hips are moving. Also the resistance is extremely low.
So....well, it cools off after a short while.
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RICH - dont get confuse.....just get cardio-ed........ As you run more and read more, you will understand the science part of cardio and fat loss.

You can do interval training in the jogging path...run fast, run slow, ....repeat......pussh-up an start jump ....and then run again......
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hahaha, as long as we exercise, we train cardio, we burn fats. Now we are discussing how to make it more efficiently.
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So, 2 key lessons about cardio :

Lesson 1

Include some anaerobic exercise in between aerobic for fat loss. Evidence : HIIT. It's the transition from one cardio type to another that make the body "shake up" and lose fat. The after-effect is important, not the anaerobic exercise by itself and also not the aerobic exercise by itself but the effect of having both together.

Lesson 2

Total body workout is better rather than just focus on certain body parts.

That correct then? For good cardio workout?


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QUOTE(richard3200 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:13 PM)
shocking.gif so many post and i hardly understand , like see stars  rclxub.gif   rclxub.gif

Anyway, i just watched "The Biggest Loser" show. The trainer said that, if we keep on doing cardio , it would only build our cardio but not muscles .

Is that true?  hmm.gif

So, we opt to go to the gym and doing cardio in interval?
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That show will make them do a HIIT that is intense to them but not intense to someone fit like the others here.


Added on April 15, 2009, 3:50 pmConfession : Last nite supper was a small plate of bee hoon and a small tuna-mayo sandwich.

DIE TODAY. sweat.gif

Friday nite : Welcome nite function
Sat nite : Gala nite function

DOUBLE DIE. sweat.gif sweat.gif

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no need to die...just work the heck out at your cardion machine....is that a cross trainer?
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just take out nasi from ur daily menu.

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QUOTE(Perunding @ Apr 15 2009, 03:55 PM)
just take out nasi from ur daily menu.

Normal Quote from Doctor

Breakfast like kings

Lunch like rich ppl

Dinner like poor ppl
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most people eat in the reverse order

breakfast like slave or none

lunch like normal people

dinner like king


so swimming by holding your breath consider ? lol swim with 1 breath from 1 end to another
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 15 2009, 03:45 PM)
So, 2 key lessons about cardio :

Lesson 1

Include some anaerobic exercise in between aerobic for fat loss. Evidence : HIIT. It's the transition from one cardio type to another that make the body "shake up" and lose fat. The after-effect is important, not the anaerobic exercise by itself and also not the aerobic exercise by itself but the effect of having both together.

Lesson 2

Total body workout is better rather than just focus on certain body parts.

That correct then? For good cardio workout?


Added on April 15, 2009, 3:47 pm

That show will make them do a HIIT that is intense to them but not intense to someone fit like the others here.


Added on April 15, 2009, 3:50 pmConfession : Last nite supper was a small plate of bee hoon and a small tuna-mayo sandwich.

DIE TODAY.  sweat.gif

Friday nite : Welcome nite function
Sat nite : Gala nite function

DOUBLE DIE.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Find a good mate which can really eat, tell he/she to sit beside you.

When the foods come, ask him/her eat for u . lol jkjk. Don't eat finish the foods . my english teacher always say, "let the food go to WASTE, than it stay in ur WAIST".

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 15 2009, 04:09 PM)
most people eat in the reverse order

breakfast like slave or none

lunch like normal people

dinner like king
so swimming by holding your breath consider ? lol swim with 1 breath from 1 end to another
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lol. Sky, don't get drowned can liao.
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WIKI-san, jangan mati !
we still need you laugh.gif

come la, makan ady we do more exercise.
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WIKI-san, jangan mati !
we still need you laugh.gif
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Imagine playing dota,

wiki = that throne once broken = gg
heroes faster protect the throne xD
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 15 2009, 04:09 PM)
most people eat in the reverse order

breakfast like slave or none

lunch like normal people

dinner like king
so swimming by holding your breath consider ? lol swim with 1 breath from 1 end to another
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if u malaysian u will eat like this..hahaha tongue.gif
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A typical malaysian like me:

1) breakfast like poor people
2) lunch like recession people
3) dinner like jobless people.

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QUOTE(tengster @ Apr 15 2009, 03:53 PM)
no need to die...just work the heck out at your cardion machine....is that a cross trainer?
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Yep. Problem atm is that still breathless from the coughing. Ever had a cough that makes you sweat after 3 coughs? tongue.gif

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