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post Jul 28 2008, 10:32 AM, updated 14y ago

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I was at SP setia headquarter in puchong last saturday for their pre-launch of Setia Walk project..

Now they are just launch one of the three(R1,R2,R3) service apartment block.it called R3 residential,from 1st floor to 6th floor are carpark,7th floor swimming pool,gym room,Hall...8th floor to 23rd floor are residential..every floor come with 15 unit (8 unit face LDP-sunway view,7 unit facing Ayer Hitam Reserve Forest-Taman wawasan view)
Type A 8++ sf and B for Ayer Hitam Reserve Forest-Taman wawasan view
Type C 1007 sf and D 1097 sf for LDP-sunway view

Average price Rm 320 psf.
Mainteince fee ard Rm 0.25 psf monthly.
Freehold..Completion on late 2010 or early 2011.

and also if using CIMB card to pay for Downpayment of 10%...u will waive of interest during construction period thumbup.gif but interest is BLR -1.30% whole tenure...

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post Jul 28 2008, 11:21 AM

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i thought this project is there for quite sometime since last year?

last year, the model is there already... but not yet launch. ops, im conflicting myself.

if im not wrong, they already clear the land.
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post Jul 28 2008, 11:31 AM

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@hanif444,
R3 by itself would have 240 households. Assuming R1 & R2 has a similar configuration; that would mean the project as a whole will have a total of 720 households - over how many acres of land is this project going to be constructed on?

RM320 psf doesn't come across to me as cheap esp in Puchong [not too sure of actual site location] - for the price & size, I wouldn't consider this 'value for $' but hey that's just MY opinion tongue.gif

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 28 2008, 11:31 AM)
@hanif444,
R3 by itself would have 240 households.  Assuming R1 & R2 has a similar configuration; that would mean the project as a whole will have a total of 720 households - over how many acres of land is this project going to be constructed on?

RM320 psf doesn't come across to me as cheap esp in Puchong [not too sure of actual site location] - for the price & size, I wouldn't consider this 'value for $' but hey that's just MY opinion tongue.gif
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20.8 acres of land for R1,R2,R3 service apartment,1 Dinning court, 4-6 stores shop lot surrounding,and 1 corporate tower...

Rm320 psf cheap or not ..i really dunno..becoz it set by developer (SP setia)..exact location is at opposite Tesco Puchong only...2min to Giant bandar Puteri,IOI mall puchong jaya....easy access to LDP with 2 fly-over u turn to putrajaya or kl...3-5min from sunway LDP toll..
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post Jul 28 2008, 11:56 AM

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I'm quite sure the Service Apartments (R1-3) are by itself - wouldn't it be a big security threat to have all components under 'the same roof'?

Can't comment on its price since it's been set but can definitely foresee the traffic havoc *gulp*

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post Jul 28 2008, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 28 2008, 11:56 AM)
I'm quite sure the Service Apartments (R1-3) are by itself - wouldn't it be a big security threat to have all components under 'the same roof'?

Can't comment on its price since it's been set but can definitely foresee the traffic havoc *gulp*
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Accordingly by SP setia sales marketing will have very good/latest safety door here and there...but how god is it,have to see 3 years later..no 1 can proof u now...
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post Jul 28 2008, 04:50 PM

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@hanif444,
Safety door has nothing to do with breach of security; if U can get through the door, so would whoever that's working there or shopping there isn't it?
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RM320psf for Puchong is dem expensive, IMHO.
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Eh.. there is no need to create a username just to swear here tongue.gif
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last time i also thought some projects on the high side, in the end they increase even more.
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Yes that is true ... so, are U saying RM320 p/sq feet isn't costly @ Puchong?
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 28 2008, 11:56 AM)
I'm quite sure the Service Apartments (R1-3) are by itself - wouldn't it be a big security threat to have all components under 'the same roof'?

Can't comment on its price since it's been set but can definitely foresee the traffic havoc *gulp*
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i asked the sales person during my visit on last sunday and they confirmed to me that the residential blocks are totally seperated, including the car park, grand lobby, swimming pool, etc.

according to the model and their explanation, they are going to widen the roads around setia walk so it may smoothen the traffic a bit.
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 28 2008, 10:32 AM)
I was at SP setia headquarter in puchong last saturday for their pre-launch of Setia Walk project..

Now they are just launch one of the three(R1,R2,R3) service apartment block.it called R3 residential,from 1st floor to 6th floor are carpark,7th floor swimming pool,gym room,Hall...8th floor to 23rd floor are residential..every floor come with 15 unit (8 unit face LDP-sunway view,7 unit facing Ayer Hitam Reserve Forest-Taman wawasan view)
Type A 8++ sf and B for Ayer Hitam Reserve Forest-Taman wawasan view
Type C 1007 sf and D 1097 sf for LDP-sunway view

Average price Rm 320 psf.
Mainteince fee ard Rm 0.25 psf monthly.
Freehold..Completion on late 2010 or early 2011.

and also if using CIMB card to pay for Downpayment of 10%...u will waive of interest during construction period thumbup.gif but interest is BLR -1.30% whole tenure...
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hanif,

i think is direct access rather than cimb...though they are under same group..but when i approach as cimb mortgage staff they said they are different..

btw, facilities not including gym room...

TYpe A also have LDP-Sunway-Waterfront view


Added on July 29, 2008, 10:14 am
QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 28 2008, 09:46 PM)
@airline,
Yes that is true ... so, are U saying RM320 p/sq feet isn't costly @ Puchong?
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Is costly...but...so u think is not worth it? brows.gif


Added on July 29, 2008, 10:18 am
QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 28 2008, 11:31 AM)
@hanif444,
R3 by itself would have 240 households.  Assuming R1 & R2 has a similar configuration; that would mean the project as a whole will have a total of 720 households - over how many acres of land is this project going to be constructed on?

RM320 psf doesn't come across to me as cheap esp in Puchong [not too sure of actual site location] - for the price & size, I wouldn't consider this 'value for $' but hey that's just MY opinion tongue.gif
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They have not launch R2 and R3, according to the sales staff sometime around next year...so by then if based on current raw material and oil prices..when they launch R2 & R3, price/sqft will be higher than R1..so R1 price/sqft will definitely appreciate again..
btw, klang valley lots of loaded people like cspok lar... rclxms.gif

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if the unit with 1 bedroom..mean u get 1 car park lot,if 2 bedroom come with 2 car park lots..quite good ideas with this..
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post Jul 29 2008, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(smallP @ Jul 29 2008, 10:12 AM)
hanif,

i think is direct access rather than cimb...though they are under same group..but when i approach as cimb mortgage staff they said they are different..

btw, facilities not including gym room...

TYpe A also have LDP-Sunway-Waterfront view


Added on July 29, 2008, 10:14 am

Is costly...but...so u think is not worth it?  brows.gif


Added on July 29, 2008, 10:18 am

They have not launch R2 and R3, according to the sales staff sometime around next year...so by then if based on current raw material and oil prices..when they launch R2 & R3, price/sqft will be higher than R1..so R1 price/sqft will definitely appreciate again..
btw, klang valley lots of loaded people like cspok lar... rclxms.gif
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ahem ahem... who said i'm loaded. i'm so poor u know. everyday eat bread only... sad.gif

there is a reason y they don't include gym room. they have confirmed with celebrity fitness to open their fitness centre in the entertainment centre.


Added on July 29, 2008, 11:03 am
QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 29 2008, 10:47 AM)
if the unit with 1 bedroom..mean u get 1 car park lot,if 2 bedroom come with 2 car park lots..quite good ideas with this..
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not necessarily.

Type A - 1396 sqft - 3 car parks
Type B - 1096 sqft - 2 car parks
Type C - 1007 sqft - 1 car park
Type D - 845 sqft - 1 car park

i personally think that type C is not quite worth it if compared to other types coz of car park.

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post Jul 29 2008, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(cspok @ Jul 29 2008, 11:01 AM)
ahem ahem... who said i'm loaded. i'm so poor u know. everyday eat bread only...  sad.gif

there is a reason y they don't include gym room. they have confirmed with celebrity fitness to open their fitness centre in the entertainment centre.


Added on July 29, 2008, 11:03 am

not necessarily.

Type A - 1396 sqft - 3 car parks
Type B - 1096 sqft - 2 car parks
Type C - 1007 sqft - 1 car park
Type D - 845 sqft - 1 car park

i personally think that type C is not quite worth it if compared to other types coz of car park.
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Type C face LDP...and evening sun... icon_rolleyes.gif
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@cspok,
Am quite sure those units with additional car park lots are priced higher. 3 car parks are pretty good.

@smallP,
Yes most salespeople will tell U that and most of the time Phase 1 is usually the 'best' buy - because Phase 1 needs to be successful in order for developer to launch and sell the next few phases.

As to what the salesperson tells u re cost of raw material and building cost it is somewhat true but there's no guarantee; esp in such uncertain times. If the market was booming perhaps a high possibility of that happening but today, ur guess is as good as mine.

RM320 is still in my opinion v costly - I would rather be spending that $ on a landed property. Assuming we look at a semi-d (40 x 80) that would be RM1.024m - it's considered low for some areas but that's sufficient for most areas.

For me, I will definitely give this a miss for I truly believe that cash is king. Also, I know for a fact I'm unable to make anymore financial commitments otherwise I be having cash flow problems.



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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 29 2008, 11:44 AM)
Type C face LDP...and evening sun... icon_rolleyes.gif
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oh yah how can i never thought bout that. i almost wanted to book type C, luckily i didn't icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 11:50 AM)
@cspok,
Am quite sure those units with additional car park lots are priced higher.  3 car parks are pretty good.
i have calculated their price/sqft and it happens that all types are having the same price/sqft.

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@cspok,
oOh well.. in that case the 3 car park units are more worth it *grins* Are U allowed to purchase a 2nd and 3rd car park?! Also, what's the additional premium per floor?
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 12:22 PM)
@cspok,
oOh well.. in that case the 3 car park units are more worth it *grins*  Are U allowed to purchase a 2nd and 3rd car park?!  Also, what's the additional premium per floor?
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haha of course 3 car park units are more worth it. but with the difference of 30k between type B and C, i would rather add that 30k for additional 90sqft and 1 additional car park. at the moment there is no option to purchase car park. i'm not sure about how much is the additional premium per floor... if not mistaken additional premium between normal floors is around RM1k and for the floor with sky garden is around RM2k.
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face forest got morning sun...
face LDP/sunway view got evening sun..

Pron and cons
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@cspok,
And how many bedroom units are Type C and B? And what is the total price we're looking at here? And for which floor is that?
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Type A - 1396 sqft - 3 car parks 3 room forest view
Type B - 1096 sqft - 2 car parks 2 room forest view
Type C - 1007 sqft - 1 car park 2 room LDP view
Type D - 845 sqft - 1 car park 1 room LDp view

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@hanif444,
Forest view TODAY, tomorrow becomes another high rise tongue.gif So what would d price be fore Type A on 18th Floor? RM320 x 1396 + RM18k?

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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 29 2008, 12:44 PM)
Type A - 1396 sqft - 3 car parks  3 room  forest view
Type B - 1096 sqft - 2 car parks  2 room forest view
Type C - 1007 sqft - 1 car park   2 room LDP view
Type D - 845 sqft - 1 car park  1 room  LDp view
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not exactly. type A also has LDP view.

Type A - 1396 sqft - 3 car parks 3 room forest view and LDP view (RM460k+-)
Type B - 1096 sqft - 2 car parks 2+1 room forest view (RM360k+-)
Type C - 1007 sqft - 1 car park 2 room LDP view (RM330k+-)
Type D - 845 sqft - 1 car park 1+1 room LDp view (RM280k+-)

+1 means an additional small room, more like a study room/maid room. Type A has a small store room too.

i only know that the price/sqft at floor 15 is around RM328.

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@cspok,
Thanks for the info; ain't a prospective buyer so I should leave the discussion until a comment is needed from an 'outsider'. Btw, did U get a unit? U seem to have a lot of details about it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 12:54 PM)
@hanif444,
Forest view TODAY, tomorrow becomes another high rise tongue.gif  So what would d price be fore Type A on 18th Floor?  RM320 x 1396 + RM18k?
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the household start from 8 th to 23rd...so mean 18th floor will be Rm320x 1396 + Rm 11k= retail selling price


Added on July 29, 2008, 1:08 pm

@cspok,is the serious buyer on Setia Walk R3 service apartment..

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 01:04 PM)
@cspok,
Thanks for the info; ain't a prospective buyer so I should leave the discussion until a comment is needed from an 'outsider'.  Btw, did U get a unit?  U seem to have a lot of details about it biggrin.gif
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i went to the sales gallery on both saturday and sunday. i was very impressed on their concept and it was like my love at first sight but the cost really pulled me off a bit. i had a very hard time making the decision and after asking a lot of useful and useless questions and lingering around, finally i bought a type B unit at 15th floor. cool2.gif

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@cspok,
AhHhHHh........ no wonder! And that from my calculations should have cost U ~RM360k?

Well, if U like it and U know U can afford the monthly instalments then go for it biggrin.gif There is NO right or wrong. And like I said earlier, Phase 1 will always have some form of advantages [Yes there are cons too!] when it comes to quality and all because if Phase 1 is not done properly, Phase 2 and 3 will not sell! tongue.gif

Oh.. Congratulations! rclxms.gif

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haha thank u thank u. but this project will only complete after 3 years. whole setia walk project will take 4-5 years to complete. dunno how puchong will look like at that time. i may even have already migrated to oversea biggrin.gif
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congratulation for being setia walk owner...Anyway,am the wawasan 1 owner here... rclxms.gif neighbourhood can TT
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@cspok,
Am quite sure it will take longer than that to complete the entire project since there are like 3 phases just on the residential areas (Block R1-R3) *smiles*

Since U've oredi purchased it, U just need to make sure it doesn't become an abandoned project but SP Setia is reputable enough [plus if they do allow any of their projects to be abandoned, they'll have trouble with their big township] so no worries there.

Just rent it out when it's ready or sell it off for a profit; as long as U have the holding power, U don't need to liquidate it's fine biggrin.gif Then again, Y would U want to lock in ur $ here when U have intentions of migration?
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Is part of investment..just like why people buying property in Melbourne,London...when their family in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 11:50 AM)
@cspok,
Am quite sure those units with additional car park lots are priced higher.  3 car parks are pretty good.

@smallP,
Yes most salespeople will tell U that and most of the time Phase 1 is usually the 'best' buy - because Phase 1 needs to be successful in order for developer to launch and sell the next few phases.

As to what the salesperson tells u re cost of raw material and building cost it is somewhat true but there's no guarantee; esp in such uncertain times.  If the market was booming perhaps a high possibility of that happening but today, ur guess is as good as mine.

RM320 is still in my opinion v costly - I would rather be spending that $ on a landed property.  Assuming we look at a semi-d (40 x 80) that would be RM1.024m - it's considered low for some areas but that's sufficient for most areas.

For me, I will definitely give this a miss for I truly believe that cash is king.  Also, I know for a fact I'm unable to make anymore financial commitments otherwise I be having cash flow problems.
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shocking.gif But i can't afford a landed property that cost 1million..LOL..


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haha of course 3 car park units are more worth it. but with the difference of 30k between type B and C, i would rather add that 30k for additional 90sqft and 1 additional car park. at the moment there is no option to purchase car park. i'm not sure about how much is the additional premium per floor... if not mistaken additional premium between normal floors is around RM1k and for the floor with sky garden is around RM2k.
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OOO...according to the sales AM there, 1 car park around 15k..but if not mistaken the additional car park for sale will be the same as visitor car park..


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i went to the sales gallery on both saturday and sunday. i was very impressed on their concept and it was like my love at first sight but the cost really pulled me off a bit. i had a very hard time making the decision and after asking a lot of useful and useless questions and lingering around, finally i bought a type B unit at 15th floor.  cool2.gif
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Tats y i said cspok loaded... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 02:02 PM)
@cspok,
Am quite sure it will take longer than that to complete the entire project since there are like 3 phases just on the residential areas (Block R1-R3) *smiles*

Since U've oredi purchased it, U just need to make sure it doesn't become an abandoned project but SP Setia is reputable enough [plus if they do allow any of their projects to be abandoned, they'll have trouble with their big township] so no worries there.

Just rent it out when it's ready or sell it off for a profit; as long as U have the holding power, U don't need to liquidate it's fine biggrin.gif  Then again, Y would U want to lock in ur $ here when U have intentions of migration?
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Sales person told me that the completion date for the blocks differs not more than 1/2 year.

haha i was just joking about the migration. however if the property is good then there shouldn't be any problem for me to hold it even if i've migrated right?


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Tats y i said cspok loaded... tongue.gif
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not loaded lah. now i don't even have bread to eat oredi.. ohmy.gif


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@cspok,
Yup.. as long as U've the holding power U have nothing to worry about biggrin.gif

@smallP,
Yeah that's the main problem; a lot of us don't haf the kinda $ to afford the landed property onli because of it's size *grins* I hear Mutiara Bkt Jalil's latest terrace homes are about RM660k!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 02:43 PM)
@cspok,
Yup.. as long as U've the holding power U have nothing to worry about biggrin.gif

@smallP,
Yeah that's the main problem; a lot of us don't haf the kinda $ to afford the landed property onli because of it's size *grins*  I hear Mutiara Bkt Jalil's latest terrace homes are about RM660k!!!!!!!
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At the moment i guess for a landed property at considerably good location start at minimum 400k..even area around bkt ikhlas, seri kembangan also the same..
i saw that bkt jalil new project too..but c the price i just forget about it... shakehead.gif
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@smallP,
Ah well........ makes no difference to me what the prices are cause for now, I've NO bullet to invest in the property market. Well, if I do come across a RM1m house selling for RM100k I probably would be able to find ways to raise that RM100k!! *grins*
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 02:53 PM)
@smallP,
Ah well........ makes no difference to me what the prices are cause for now, I've NO bullet to invest in the property market.  Well, if I do come across a RM1m house selling for RM100k I probably would be able to find ways to raise that RM100k!! *grins*
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wah! if got this deal, i die die also fork out 100k wor... brows.gif
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@smallP,
I don't foresee it to happen so I'm not going to even think about it. Also, if it does happen I be worried too unless I know the owner *grins*
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haha u not scared the house is haunted ah
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I don't disturb them, they don't disturb and reveal themselves can lah biggrin.gif
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1 million house can pay 100k and get 90% loan...
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Yes but that's not what we were discussing about biggrin.gif

Plus how would U know the loan would be approved? In bad times, banks are more cautious.
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come more la...1m house sell at 100k....even auction wont be this price either...
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muAHahAHahHAhahA Hence there's nothing to talk about *grins* Let's not get anymore OT - back to Setia Walk.

@cspok,
So when do U sign S&P?
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@hanif444,
It could be true *shrugs* Y don't U wait and see *grins* But prices cannot keep going up - remember what goes up must ultimately come down ... kEKkekEKke as it is, I think the prices are oredi v high! tongue.gif

She could also just be making some attempts to get U to BUY!!!!!!! And she's going to keep calling until U tell her Ur not interested tongue.gif Btw tadak incentive for early purchasers?
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 29 2008, 03:51 PM)
@hanif444,
muAHahAHahHAhahA Hence there's nothing to talk about *grins*  Let's not get anymore OT - back to Setia Walk.

@cspok,
So when do U sign S&P?
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So U put in a deposit/earnest $? In that case, 2-3 months down the line if U decide NOT to go ahead with the purchase, can U get ur deposit back?!
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@hanif444,
It could be true *shrugs*  Y don't U wait and see *grins*  But prices cannot keep going up - remember what goes up must ultimately come down ... kEKkekEKke as it is, I think the prices are oredi v high! tongue.gif

She could also just be making some attempts to get U to BUY!!!!!!!  And she's going to keep calling until U tell her Ur not interested tongue.gif  Btw tadak incentive for early purchasers?
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i also heard from the sales agent that the price will go up at 1st august leh. dunno is true or not. but i believe there is still rooms for price increment loh. (which is good for me thumbup.gif )
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@cspok,
That doesn't answer my latest question tongue.gif


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@cspok,
So U put in a deposit/earnest $?  In that case, 2-3 months down the line if U decide NOT to go ahead with the purchase, can U get ur deposit back?!
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yes i deposited RM5k for the booking. in any case if i've decided not to sign S&P, i can get my deposit back. i asked many sales agents and they told me that.


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@cspok,
That doesn't answer my latest question tongue.gif
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@cspok,
In that case, for those who's NOT decided to make the plunge, can alwiz keep options open - put in the RM5k and decide later.

Now assuming price increases after U've put in the RM5k, U will still purchase it at the original price right?! And if the price drops, U will purchase it at that lower price, right?!

@hanif444,
So if U want to keep the door open just pay the RM5k and book the unit. Call them up again after August 1st and check if prices have actually gone up - if it has, U'll be happy smile.gif
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@cspok,
In that case, for those who's NOT decided to make the plunge, can alwiz keep options open - put in the RM5k and decide later. 

Now assuming price increases after U've put in the RM5k, U will still purchase it at the original price right?!  And if the price drops, U will purchase it at that lower price, right?!

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i asked the sales agent about what will happen if lower price in future. she told me that it would not happen. she said that she has worked in the company for many years but has never come across this situation. but logically if the price drops of course customers will make noise lah then they have to give them the new lower price loh since S&P still haven't signed.
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where is the showroom. might pay a visit..
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no showroom yet...
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@cspok,
In that case, for those who's NOT decided to make the plunge, can alwiz keep options open - put in the RM5k and decide later. 

Now assuming price increases after U've put in the RM5k, U will still purchase it at the original price right?!  And if the price drops, U will purchase it at that lower price, right?!

@hanif444,
So if U want to keep the door open just pay the RM5k and book the unit.  Call them up again after August 1st and check if prices have actually gone up - if it has, U'll be happy smile.gif
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http://forum.lowyat.net/PropertyTalk
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Developer never drop their selling price...
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 29 2008, 05:04 PM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/PropertyTalk
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Developer never drop their selling price...
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i think what she meant was the price will not drop between the time when i placed booking until i signed S&P. but the price will most likely increase between that period of time.
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 29 2008, 03:53 PM)
sp setia marketing called me just now..saying effect from 1st august 2008..all price will going up..how true izzit...i wonder they launch the R3 220 units already sold off?or just that she want to close deal from me?
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i heard that too...they said once they launch they going to increase at least 10%


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yes i deposited RM5k for the booking. in any case if i've decided not to sign S&P, i can get my deposit back. i asked many sales agents and they told me that.
but have to write in according to the sales...


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@cspok,
In that case, for those who's NOT decided to make the plunge, can alwiz keep options open - put in the RM5k and decide later. 

Now assuming price increases after U've put in the RM5k, U will still purchase it at the original price right?!  And if the price drops, U will purchase it at that lower price, right?!

@hanif444,
So if U want to keep the door open just pay the RM5k and book the unit.  Call them up again after August 1st and check if prices have actually gone up - if it has, U'll be happy smile.gif
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yah..i did that..juz put in 5k 1st... tongue.gif

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is transferable of the deposit?..so i can make some kopi money..put 5k now,if price are raise..then i make some....if drop/maintein...cancel order..haha
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@hanif444 & cspok,
Just cause the developer has NEVER reduced their selling price it doesn't mean it will not happen. If no one is going to buy it when it's RM500k, they might haf to drop it to RM400k before people start buying it.

It's hard to look at developer's past record because our economy been booming in the last 10 years; we wouldn't know what's going to even happen in the next 10 months.

Having said that, I don't wish for it to drop too low cause it will onli mean bad news *grins* and I can onli take so much of bad news at a time! *muAHahAHahHAha*

I don't think the deposit is transferrable; unless it's to an immediate family member [U can use the excuse of the name being in ur name but it was ur mom who wanted to buy] etc. Developers aren't stupid; they're just uhm.. cunning tongue.gif

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is transferable of the deposit?..so i can make some kopi money..put 5k now,if price are raise..then i make some....if drop/maintein...cancel order..haha
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according to the "Requested For Booking" letter signed with SP Setia during the booking, it mentions that the booking amount may be put into an interest bearing account. so when u confirm to buy the property they will use the booking amount + interest to offset the 10% downpayment.
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@cspok,
It's NOT going to b much; trust me! I put down RM30k as 'booking fee' for a house - when S&P was finally ready to be signed, I had only accumulated about slightly more than RM100 from interest pay outs. I believe it was sitting there for at least 12-15 months.
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@cspok,
It's NOT going to b much; trust me!  I put down RM30k as 'booking fee' for a house - when S&P was finally ready to be signed, I had only accumulated about slightly more than RM100 from interest pay outs.  I believe it was sitting there for at least 12-15 months.
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wow that's a lot for booking fee. that must be a very expensive house...

luckily my booking fee is not too much. at least the amount serves something instead of just sitting there doing nothing.
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@cspok,
Er.. don't ask me where and how the developer derived @ that amount - I wanted the house, they said RM30k so I said Ok lor.

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Er.. don't ask me where and how the developer derived @ that amount - I wanted the house, they said RM30k so I said Ok lor.
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can it be the first 10% downpayment? or u were buying a bungalow which costs more than millions?
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Hmm.... the RM30k amounts to slightly less than 5% of total purchase price at point of time.

Nah couldn't afford a bungalow - it was going for RM2.4-2.6m [developer was asking for RM50k booking fee for the bungalows - I could come up with the RM50k but I wouldn't be able to finance the loan]
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@cspok,
Hmm.... the RM30k amounts to slightly less than 5% of total purchase price at point of time.

Nah couldn't afford a bungalow - it was going for RM2.4-2.6m [developer was asking for RM50k booking fee for the bungalows - I could come up with the RM50k but I wouldn't be able to finance the loan]
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shocking.gif another loaded wan...
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shocking.gif another loaded wan...
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Eh, they didn't even call me after i registered 1/2 yr ago.
The psf is higher than bkt jalil condos, probably corresponding to their commercial land status.
If the expected rental can cover the loan repayment (assume 90%) the it would be a good investment. Wonder when the so-called lrt extension to puchong will start work.

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Perhaps they lost that database?! *shrugs* If ur interested U could alwiz give them a buzz biggrin.gif
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Perhaps they lost that database?! *shrugs*  If ur interested U could alwiz give them a buzz biggrin.gif
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Juz buzzed them. Got a sour taste in my mouth ordy cool2.gif
Its prelaunch, mayb testing the market kua.
Their ofis open till 6, c got enuff time to fly ther. Eh.. go psr mlm later. Another day then.
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@dripinrain,
Ah well.... shouldn't those who's signed up and enquired about the project be given first hand information before the launch - and anything that takes place before the launch to me, is pre-launch! tongue.gif

Yeah.. don't bother - spend ur $ elsewhere tongue.gif
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It will never be 'LAST' day until ALL units are sold out ! tongue.gif
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another 2 more block to sale...sp setia marketing called today also...look lit their cant sell...
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another 2 more block to sale...sp setia marketing called today also...look lit their cant sell...
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another 2 more blocks?
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@hanif444,
They called to follow up with U cause U were @ their pre-launch mah - it's what most salespeople would do. It isn't fair to say they called U because there are no sales tongue.gif
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another 2 more blocks?
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This is R3 pre-launch...R1 and R2 coming soon... rclxms.gif
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i don't know about u guys, but i am always put off by those mixed development such as this Setia Walk. Apart from security issue, i am concern about the utilities bills, because water and electricity rates are in accordance to commercial rate, correct me if i am wrong, the design of the utility meters are not separated.

Service Apartment is another type of property has been sugar-coated by the developer, what is the difference between normal condo type and SA? All i know is, some SA is inclusive of furnishing such as built in cabinets, laundrette service. But the disadvantages of SA is, it is not abide under Housing Development Act (prior to 2007).
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That is absolutely right - developers call it SA because primarily it is built on Commercial Land.
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but actually service Apartment should come with furnishing in the units, laundry service,maid for cleaning...These are what i see at Spore so called service apartment...


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this is actually quite close to a serviced apartment as there will be a grand lobby and guest lounge for each block. in addition, they do provide optional laundry service as told by the sales agent.
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this is actually quite close to a serviced apartment as there will be a grand lobby and guest lounge for each block. in addition, they do provide optional laundry service as told by the sales agent.
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we want optional with reasonable price..there is no gym room,can we use the fitness center as part of the maintaince fee?
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probably not coz they have traded off the gym room with the grand lobby and guest lounge. a discount maybe?
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I doubt U be able to do that - perhaps a 'special' introduction discount for residents but FREE access for residents - I dun think so!
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that is same shit different day only...Rm325 per sqft...i will only can no to setia walk....think ASEANA puteri better environment and reasonable pricey too...
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@hanif444,
Er.. I don't understand the 1st part of ur sentence; who pissed U off?! *grins*

So, the new price is RM325 p/ sq feet? Increase of RM5?!
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Er.. I don't understand the 1st part of ur sentence; who pissed U off?! *grins*

So, the new price is RM325 p/ sq feet?  Increase of RM5?!
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thought all the while myr 325/sqft?
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I thought it was RM320, no?! Just need to browse through the last few pages; it was mentioned before.
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Just call Setia Walk, price increase around 1.70/sqft for a unit at level 15... rclxub.gif and they going to increase again when official launch on 1st sept...can sale ar like tat?

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how much is ASEANA puteri now..
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how much is ASEANA puteri now..
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Aseana ard Rm270k-330k...but maintenance fee i heard Rm3++...
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hey guys any update on SETIA WALK?
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hey guys any update on SETIA WALK?
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Hi Neo18,

I am amazed with your investment success in other investment vehicles, I would like to know your investment analysis approach for Setia Walk, it looks like a good project biggrin.gif

I received their invitation letter via postal 2 times (want me to buy 2 unit I guess brows.gif ) .. might drop by tmr morning..

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I visited today and they show units are nicely done.
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Got their free Starbucks voucher today .. hehe..

Yes.. the show unit is very nice and heavily-invested.. wonder those publicity cost will pass on to buyers sad.gif ..

This is my 4th visit to Setia Walk (show office and gallery) and I had received tonnes of email, post card, invi letter and phone calls from SP Setia.. I love and hate at the same time..
I love it bcos of its concept and location..
I hate it bcos I love it but cant find any practical sence to own or invest in it.. despite visiting the show office frequently tongue.gif ..

Despite with heavy publicity being done on web, newspaper, radio and roadshow after more than half year since it soft launch in late July last year, pick-up rate is still rather slow.. Counted 79 stickers on the board today.. that would be approximate 11 or 12% of 720 units.. I doubt that all the units will be fully sold upon completion sad.gif .. More than thousand ppl flock into the show office during soft launch but most come out with empty handed..

Half of the sold units are the 845 sqft.. mostly I guess are bought by investors..

I am not sure what is the rental like after 3 years down the road, say if we want to achieve 6% ROI, the 845 sqft would need to rent out at RM1700 (including maintanence fee and assessment rate).. That would be RM2.01 psft. Given the closest benchmark which is Aseana Puteri, the estimated rental price with estimated 5% compounded increament for every year will be RM1.33 psft. The rental in SW is about 50% more than other condos around in puchong.. Not to mention, with the same RM1700, SW only can offer 845sqft while Aseana can offer 1300sqft.. Will tenant pay the extra 50% for the life style concept and convenient??

I am not bashing on SW, I just need opinion on investment analysis point of view..

I am concern because, after more than 6 months heavily promoted and publicity, still less than 100 units sold and its still not well received by buyers and investors.. When the new block is launched with higher price tag, can it still sell??

Any guru can give opinion??


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Setia Walk is try to set a trend in Puchong. It will be ideal for young family who likes Hartamas lifestyle. I do hope it will turn out well. The commercial shops are indeed hot.

I got 5 starbucks voucher and celebrity fitness voucher. thumbup.gif

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gee u r very lucky.... i heard sales responce was good this morning...
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QUOTE(putraperdana @ Mar 22 2009, 09:44 PM)
Setia Walk is try to set a trend in Puchong. It will be ideal for young family who likes Hartamas lifestyle. I do hope it will turn out well. The commercial shops are indeed hot.

I got 5 starbucks voucher and celebrity fitness voucher.  thumbup.gif
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wah, 5 starbucks vouchers?! should've gone there to kpc oso at their sales status but had prior plans already sad.gif

@eugene jk - i echo ur sentiments on the ROI for setia walk too, hence my decision to invest in zest instead. looking at the amount of buzz the zest thread is generating compared to sw's, i reckon we've made the right decision wink.gif
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haha... something inside still telling me SW is damn cool, however we stiill have to work with numbers to determine the investment feasibility.. smile.gif
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haha... something inside still telling me SW is damn cool, however we stiill have to work with numbers to determine the investment feasibility.. smile.gif
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I recon SW has higher chance to be successful than Zen. I have compared both and surveyed condos surrounding puchong area. There is Heron and Trinity at Bukit Puchong. Have not seen the price appreciating. In fact Vista Prima have not seen any demand in sub-sale.

I maybe wrong but this is my survey from last year. I tend to be a bit reserve to invest in puchong.
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I recon SW has higher chance to be successful than Zen. I have compared both and surveyed condos surrounding puchong area. There is Heron and Trinity at Bukit Puchong. Have not seen the price appreciating. In fact Vista Prima have not seen any demand in sub-sale.

I maybe wrong but this is my survey from last year.  I tend to be a bit reserve to invest in puchong.
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How would you think SW be set apart form the thousands of sprouting commercial shoplots currently in nearby areas? I think it's not a bad investment, but then you would have diluted customer base, unless they keep building in and round that area more residential units, which then add to congestion. If you foresee Puchong in the future will be associated with SW, then it's definitely a good buy.
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I visited today and they show units are nicely done.
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Got SHow Room already.... ??... me want to check out too. rclxms.gif ..... May i know Where ar... On the SW Site , is it ??... biggrin.gif
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Got SHow Room already....  ??... me want to check out too.  rclxms.gif ..... May i know Where ar... On the SW Site , is it ??...  biggrin.gif
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Behind Sp Setia office @ Puchong Jaya.
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I had created a mark on wikimap:

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=3.0350629&lo...ch=setia%20walk

Good luck
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i still preffer SW..is at heart of Puchong City with 5min to IOI,TESCO,Giant....so what to compare about Zest or Heroin?...
we can see the location location and location....the only fundamental for investing property are location only.
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Mar 26 2009, 03:38 PM)
i still preffer SW..is at heart of Puchong City with 5min to IOI,TESCO,Giant....so what to compare about Zest or Heroin?...
we can see the location location and location....the only fundamental for investing property are location only.
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Do you mean location is the only vital criteria regardless of cost and potential ROI?? if SW selling RM 1mil for 845sqft, you will still prefer as only fundamental for investing property are location only ??

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i must admit that setia walk's location is definitely attractive. however, i echo eugene_jk's sentiments that the property has to be priced correctly as well for us to reap decent ROI if we were to get it for investment purposes. for own stay, its a totally diferent story alltogether.
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 26 2009, 03:41 PM)
Do you mean location is the only vital criteria regardless of cost and potential ROI?? if SW selling RM 1mil for 845sqft, you will still prefer as only fundamental for investing property are location only ??
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then u have to ask urself is all unit of SW are selling at Rm 1m for 845sqft or u just want to fire me here... rclxms.gif
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you said fundamental is location only mah..

Majority of us here had no doubt about the location here.. Although I do agree that investors have to pay a premium for that location, but the main arguement here is that that so called PREMIUM price is a little too much for an under-construction property + unspectacular finishing + current economy + potential future slow down in property sector + potential lower ROI .. lor...
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Ya, Location of SW no doubt is good, but its way too overpriced. expected rental income cant even cover monthly instalment if based on this 5/95.
Cant imagine the price of SW for sub-sale later.
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hanif444, u've vested in sw already?
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So how's the response? Been getting letters and postcards promoting SW.

*edit: Read on some other forums response not good. Overpriced?

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check out the show galleria last weekend, again.
I think the sales is good. much better than b4...
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just dropped by there last weekend too. anyone got any comments on the quality of the show units? dunno if i'm the only one who sorta feels this way (sorry to all sw vested buyers, not meaning to flame or anything) but imho, the fixtures n finishings for the show unit was substandard compared to the price of this so-called high-end condo project.

16" x 16" ceramic tiles (instead of porcelain) and 1" x 1" tiles for living and master room. kitchen oso...hmmm, apart from the solid top surface, everything seems below par. not to mention the bathrooms sweat.gif basically, it seems as though it is completed in a haste / last minute rush workmanship.

location is definitely ideal...but i guess sp setia would need to do better in their fixtures to woo prospective buyers la...

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QUOTE(babana @ Mar 30 2009, 11:02 AM)
just dropped by there last weekend too. anyone got any comments on the quality of the show units? dunno if i'm the only one who sorta feels this way (sorry to all sw vested buyers, not meaning to flame or anything) but imho, the fixtures n finishings for the show unit was substandard compared to the price of this so-called high-end condo project.

16" x 16" ceramic tiles (instead of porcelain) and 1" x 1" tiles for living and master room. kitchen oso...hmmm, apart from the solid top surface, everything seems below par. not to mention the bathrooms  sweat.gif  basically, it seems as though it is completed in a haste / last minute rush workmanship.

location is definitely ideal...but i guess sp setia would need to do better in their fixtures to woo prospective buyers la...
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Me still yet to check out the SHow Room... Must go some where this week if got time....

But.... 16" x 16" ceramic tiles (instead of porcelain) ?? for Where ??..... Rooms ar , is it ... I know a Lot Now give 2' x 2' or Timber Strip Flooring for Rooms for - Price above 200k .....

and 1" x 1" tiles for living and master room. kitchen ??... 1' x 1' is Small for living and master room. kitchen...... Really ke ??.... or is it 2' x 2' u mean....

Har... I bought My Place for RM 160K ++ , a bit small lar 950sqft.... I also get 2' x 2' Porcelain Tiles for Living & Dining .. Room's they gave me 15" x 15" ceramic tiles ..... biggrin.gif


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SW location wise is the best.

For price comparison...have a look at zen, atmosfera(somewhere telekom) and zest(BK) ...and can made better comparison to see pro and cons clearly....all got their own prospect.

I had viewed Zen, atmosfera and zest thumbup.gif ......not see SW yet..feel good viewing from LDP

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Overpriced. Tanjung Rambutan.
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btw, is SW still being displayed at the Setia Old HQ office?

or have to go until Setia Alam the new HQ?

thanks

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SW show unit is in pusat bandar puchong

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=3.0350655&lo...=18&l=0&m=a&v=2
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Heard Solace at setia walk will increase price at least 5% in July, and another 5% when they launch block 2 in August or end of this year, any updated news on this?
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So... that will be RM300k for 845 sqft (1+1) unit.. wow.. passing PJ pricing liao.. smile.gif
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Sounds like a good deal?
or sounds like not possible to pass PJ pricing?
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What do u think? is it a good buy?

I am just impressed with the pricing, tats all smile.gif
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I feel it's a high risk high return game
If Puchong is really rebranded by IOI, Setia, YTL, Glomac, and other bigshots, then it's the new bangsar...

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finally somebody got it rite biggrin.gif my fren bought a 10 yr old endlot 20X70 wawasan landed...even dat cost 303k man .....imagine 10 yrs down the road........
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finally somebody got it rite biggrin.gif  my fren bought a 10 yr old endlot 20X70 wawasan landed...even dat cost 303k man .....imagine 10 yrs down the road........
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That is cheap compare BPP. With mature and nice enviroment, I will buy it anytime if have $$.
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Jun 24 2009, 04:29 PM)
So... that will be RM300k for 845 sqft (1+1) unit.. wow.. passing PJ pricing liao.. smile.gif
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dun think so lah..if u ignore those unknown n unbranded developers, prices of those service apts in pj r still streets ahead.

i have searched for an almost similar sized unit in pj8 (840 sf, 1+1 rooms, l/h, completed) just for price comparison purpose. called the agent n she said its on 31st floor already sold last month at rm560 psf c/w optional kitchen cabinets worth rm15k. developer's price was under rm400 psf.
http://thinkproperty.com.my/realestate/Buy...ngor/37132.html

those folks in tropicana tropics r already targeting rm500 psf upon completion. developer's price between rm300 to rm330 psf.

both pj8 n tropics were considered overpriced when they were launched some 3 yrs ago.

i was even stunned when the sa in zest said that all 4 studio units in block c priced at rm300 psf were earlier snapped up.

for sw, a 845 sf 1+1 room in block c on higher floors is rm350 psf ONLY.

hence, my guess is sw still has lots of room to appreciate upon completion but has to bank heavily on sps past track record n in making the commercial centre a happening place.

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dun think so lah..if u ignore those unknown n unbranded developers, prices of those service apts in pj r still streets ahead.

i have searched for an almost similar sized unit in pj8 (840 sf, 1+1 rooms, l/h, completed) just for price comparison purpose. called the agent n she said its on 31st floor already sold last month at rm560 psf c/w optional kitchen cabinets worth rm15k. developer's price was under rm400 psf.
http://thinkproperty.com.my/realestate/Buy...ngor/37132.html

those folks in tropicana tropics r already targeting rm500 psf upon completion. developer's price between rm300 to rm330 psf.

both pj8 n tropics were considered overpriced when they were launched some 3 yrs ago.

i was even stunned when the sa in zest said that all 4 studio units in block c priced at rm300 psf were earlier snapped up.

for sw, a 845 sf 1+1 room in block c on higher floors is rm350 psf ONLY.

hence, my guess is sw still has lots of room to appreciate upon completion but has to bank heavily on sps past track record n in making the commercial centre a happening place.
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Probably i had included other development

Dont think Zest studio is RM300psft.. I was there when they soft launch smile.gif

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Dont think Zest studio is RM300psft..  I was there when they soft launch smile.gif
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Mar 22 2009, 01:12 PM)
Got their free Starbucks voucher today .. hehe..

Yes.. the show unit is very nice and heavily-invested.. wonder those publicity cost will pass on to buyers sad.gif ..

This is my 4th visit to Setia Walk (show office and gallery) and I had received tonnes of email, post card, invi letter and phone calls from SP Setia.. I love and hate at the same time..
I love it bcos of its concept and location..
I hate it bcos I love it but cant find any practical sence to own or invest in it.. despite visiting the show office frequently tongue.gif ..

Despite with heavy publicity being done on web, newspaper, radio and roadshow after more than half year since it soft launch in late July last year, pick-up rate is still rather slow.. Counted 79 stickers on the board today.. that would be approximate 11 or 12% of 720 units.. I doubt that all the units will be fully sold upon completion sad.gif .. More than thousand ppl flock into the show office during soft launch but most come out with empty handed..

Half of the sold units are the 845 sqft.. mostly I guess are bought by investors..

I am not sure what is the rental like after 3 years down the road, say if we want to achieve 6% ROI, the 845 sqft would need to rent out at RM1700 (including maintanence fee and assessment rate).. That would be RM2.01 psft. Given the closest benchmark which is Aseana Puteri, the estimated rental price with estimated 5% compounded increament for every year will be RM1.33 psft. The rental in SW is about 50% more than other condos around in puchong.. Not to mention, with the same RM1700, SW only can offer 845sqft while Aseana can offer 1300sqft.. Will tenant pay the extra 50% for the life style concept and convenient??

I am not bashing on SW, I just need opinion on investment analysis point of view..

I am concern because, after more than 6 months heavily promoted and publicity, still less than 100 units sold and its still not well received by buyers and investors.. When the new block is launched with higher price tag, can it still sell??

Any guru can give opinion??
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Here is my analysis for landed.. i rather but landed

Type build up price price/bu
Juniper 2380 448800 188.5714286
Vista 1965 389800 198.3715013
Serena 1 2430 538800 221.7283951
The Peak 1900 429800 226.2105263
Serena 2 2430 638800 262.8806584
Summit 2170 640000 294.9308756


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Do you mean location is the only vital criteria regardless of cost and potential ROI?? if SW selling RM 1mil for 845sqft, you will still prefer as only fundamental for investing property are location only ??
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location location location is white man ways..
Our ways.. different.
developer? Highway? landscape? Political change? becareful for next election. icon_rolleyes.gif

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i see the construction pick up...they start doing fast now compare last 6 months...
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Whatever it is, All units almost snap up, can cosider sold out as left with some bad units only, confirm at least 10% increase for 2nd block.




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Any idea when r they gonna launch 2nd block?
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Whatever it is, All units almost snap up, can cosider sold out as left with some bad units only, confirm at least 10% increase for 2nd block.
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Pricing of 1st block is not investment value. I doubt there are takers for 2nd block. People would rather wait and see the progress of the commercial shops before making decision.
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Pricing of 1st block is not investment value. I doubt there are takers for 2nd block. People would rather wait and see the progress of the commercial shops before making decision.
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Chances are...Wait and pay higher...
Provided the commercial and Office block go well, it will be the most prestige landmak in Puchong as a whole.
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Aug 20 2009, 01:08 PM)
Chances are...Wait and pay higher...
Provided the commercial and Office block go well, it will be the most prestige landmak in Puchong as a whole.
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well, most expensive yes....but most prestigious? hmmm...doesnt seem to be very prestigious from their showroom but have yet to see their finished product. only time will tell...
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Any idea when r they gonna launch 2nd block?
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Launching Oct..according to the sales
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well, most expensive yes....but most prestigious? hmmm...doesnt seem to be very prestigious from their showroom but have yet to see their finished product. only time will tell...
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Internally, do renovation.
What cannot be changed and improved is the external and common area, right?
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See like LRT route will boost SetiaWalk...
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Sep 16 2009, 10:27 AM)
See like LRT route will boost SetiaWalk...
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Since I missed The Zest, might give SW a second thought.

Any sifus or taikors wan to give some precious views? icon_question.gif



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QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Sep 16 2009, 11:08 AM)
Since I missed The Zest, might give SW a second thought.

Any sifus or taikors wan to give some precious views?  icon_question.gif
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SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

With 5 stations in Puchong in 3 years time, compounded with IOI and SPS, you dun need a coin to toss...
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 16 2009, 03:14 PM)
1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.
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Care to share your thoughts to justify all your 3 statements above? wink.gif
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 16 2009, 03:14 PM)
SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

With 5 stations in Puchong in 3 years time, compounded with IOI and SPS, you dun need a coin to toss...
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Xui Cheng, thanks for your remarks on SW.

Yes, talking about buying properties...whether for own stay or investment, the major factors we should consider are location, developer, surrounding amenities, public transport, accessibility to major towns, future appreciation of properties, bla bla bla....all these seem to be in the favour of SW. thumbup.gif

Ah, almost forget to mention about the price...damn...many people seem to be scared away by the so called high premium price charged by SPS. rclxub.gif

Before I take my order...need more opinions from the sifus to enlighten me. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:39 PM)
Xui Cheng, thanks for your remarks on SW.

Yes, talking about buying properties...whether for own stay or investment, the major factors we should consider are location, developer, surrounding amenities, public transport, accessibility to major towns, future appreciation of properties, bla bla bla....all these seem to be in the favour of SW. thumbup.gif

Ah, almost forget to mention about the price...damn...many people seem to be scared away by the so called high premium price charged by SPS.  rclxub.gif

Before I take my order...need more opinions from the sifus to enlighten me.  smile.gif
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Just visit: http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0 , u will see plenty of discussion, good and bad.

Most of the critic = Traffic Jam, which may be lighthened by the LRT.

Price = i dun think it is very "overpriced" since Zarra of IOI also selling 600k.

Pai,
I dun intend to write a thesis to justify. will be the same comment in the above link, which u are also a member.

Thanks
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 16 2009, 07:06 PM)
Just visit:  http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0 , u will see plenty of discussion, good and bad.

Most of the critic = Traffic Jam, which may be lighthened by the LRT.

Price = i dun think it is very "overpriced" since Zarra of IOI also selling 600k.

Pai,
I dun intend to write a thesis to justify. will be the same comment in the above link, which u are also a member.

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Xui Cheng,

the link u posted has lots of garbage and there's a lot more fighting going on VS discussing the subject. Since you come here and claim the following :


- SW will be the land mark of puchong.
- If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
- If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.


These are such strong selling statements that could rightly lead OR mis-lead others, so I believe there's nothing wrong with me or anyone asking for justification. With so many forumers here vested in Puchong based developments, it will be interesting to see how SW affects the rest from your point of view.



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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 16 2009, 10:16 PM)
Xui Cheng,

the link u posted has lots of garbage and there's a lot more fighting going on VS discussing the subject. Since you come here and claim the following :


- SW will be the land mark of puchong.
- If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
- If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.


These are such strong selling statements that could rightly lead OR mis-lead others, so I believe there's nothing wrong with me or anyone asking for justification.  With so many forumers here vested in Puchong based developments, it will be interesting to see how SW affects the rest from your point of view.
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Pai,
Dont get me wrong. I wrote things in hurry hence i just put down what is in my mind w/t hitting the bush.

There is nothing wrong for you to ask for justification, absolutely.

The link i posted contained more critics than praises over SW, so the chances of getting misled is reduced into the minimum. Furthermore, every link consists of useful info and garbage, which i am not duty bound nor feel comfortable to summarise, as it may distort the actual meaning of the postings and ending up with misleading statements.

In a nut shell, there is also nothing wrong for me NOT to summarize for your convenience. Justifications were provided through the link, it is all your hardwork and patience now.

Happy reading

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i would think having lrt directly linked between Puchong-PJ will be another boost... most people stay away from puchong becoz of jam packed LDP... the wise way now is to have as many people to lodge their feedback and urge for direct linkage between Puchong-PJ, a big round via PH-USJ is stupid!!!

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the LRT Link from Puchong - USJ becoz they wanna boots up USJ area...compare to Puchong-PJ...PJ already well know city...Puchong is behind PJ now...
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The link i posted contained more critics than praises over SW
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All the more reason why I asked you to clarify your thoughts here which so far contradicts the general opinion.

Anyway, point taken and sure you can make ANY baseless claim as you wanted irrespective of logic or facts backing such claims, like any other vested SW owners. Its a free forum, but do expect a highly candor'ish debate when u misrepresent facts here.

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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 17 2009, 05:50 PM)
All the more reason why I asked you to clarify your thoughts here which so far contradicts the general opinion.

Anyway, point taken and sure you can make ANY baseless claim as you wanted irrespective of logic or facts backing such claims, like any other vested SW owners. Its a free forum, but do expect a highly candor'ish debate when u misrepresent facts here.

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Hi Pai,

Your baseless claim of my "baseless claim" is indeed very funny. I know you didnt mean it, it must only be a joke.

If, only if your eye sight is ok and you did read the said link, you can find my name there as well,AND the justification provided by me.

The only reason, is you cannot see OR you cannot read OR you are too spoon fed and will not read and can only demand for summary.

But i believe u are only joking, so those things should not happen to you.

Indeed, you joke make me laugh. reminding me one of our member asked the readers to wait for freebies in ZEST, those listened to him ended up with nothing...Oops, i cant recall who that is, was that you? I couldnt recall...But where is he now? i think he is still in this forum, making baseless claim despite had misrepresented the material facts!!!Wasnt that you??Nonono, Not sure.., i couldnt recall... but IT is something like this...those trusted him...


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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Mar 3 2009, 04:56 PM)
But the main concern now is, I do not have the amount of downpayment as other developers need, at least RM20k for most the properties I am interested.

I was interested in Zest, but too bad, they need at least RM20k as downpayment, and sadly, I do not have that amount of money.


chief, in today's market time is your fren, not enemy. Zest has over 700 units, it will take them min 1 year to sell off all units.

You have ample time to save, and trust me they will throw more freebies in the future to move all 700 units. When all developers r doing only 5% deposit, they'll have no choice but to do the same. Just wait


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900
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Thanks Pai, keep joking, but make sure there are not gabage that u don like.

PS: candor'ish debate? HAHA, someone has to stop being spoon fed, read up, than only can start debating...Actually, it is sharing lah.

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Hi Pai,

Your baseless claim of my "baseless claim" is indeed very funny. I know you didnt mean it, it must only be a joke.

If, only if your eye sight is ok and you did read the said link, you can find my name there as well,AND the justification provided by me.

The only reason, is you cannot see OR you cannot read OR you are too spoon fed and will not read and can only demand for summary.

But i believe u are only joking, so those things should not happen to you.

Indeed, you joke make me laugh. reminding me one of our member asked the readers to wait for freebies in ZEST, those listened to him ended up with nothing...Oops, i cant recall who that is, was that you? I couldnt recall...But where is he now? i think he is still in this forum, making baseless claim despite had misrepresented the material facts!!!Wasnt that you??Nonono, Not sure.., i couldnt recall... but IT is something like this...those trusted him...
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Mar 3 2009, 04:56 PM)
But the main concern now is, I do not have the amount of downpayment as other developers need, at least RM20k for most the properties I am interested.

I was interested in Zest, but too bad, they need at least RM20k as downpayment, and sadly, I do not have that amount of money.
chief, in today's market time is your fren, not enemy. Zest has over 700 units, it will take them min 1 year to sell off all units.

You have ample time to save, and trust me they will throw more freebies in the future to move all 700 units. When all developers r doing only 5% deposit, they'll have no choice but to do the same. Just wait  


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900
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Thanks Pai, keep joking, but make sure there are not gabage that u don like.

PS: candor'ish debate? HAHA, someone has to stop being spoon fed, read up, than only can start debating...Actually, it is sharing lah.
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Xui Cheng,

Since u went thru great lenghts in reading my previous post looking for mistakes(think I made those comments early this year), allow me to clarify/justify. I made those comments when market sentiment is at its worst, and Zest was less than 5% sold. I did mention "In today's market" in my advise, didnt I? Lastly, I did inform everyone right after I bought my unit, so thats is a clue/unspoken advise from me if anyone was watching....... wink.gif

To those who heed my advise back then but failed to make the move to buy Zest even when sentiment starts recovering, I hereby offer my sincerest apologies as I didnt expect :

1. Sentiment to recover so quickly.

2. ZEST would outsold Setia Walk by a mile despite not offering any freebies. Guess all those "financing scheme" by SP Setia didnt manage to con as many ppl as I would expect.

3. Public would quickly realise that Zest is really value for money, despite its rookie developer. A good product wont be in stock for long. There still remaining units in SW if Im not mistaken.... but one has to wonder why its not unsold after more than 1 year on the market + free tong-sui makan + free starbucks and all that advertisement....... rolleyes.gif


You see..........unlike you, I can justify my advise. Anyway, those who took my advise on not buying Setia Walk arent complaining at all whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 18 2009, 01:30 AM)
3. Public would quickly realise that Zest is really value for money, despite its rookie developer. A good product wont be in stock for long. There still remaining units in SW if Im not mistaken.... but one has to wonder why its not unsold after more than 1 year on the market + free tong-sui makan + free starbucks and all that advertisement.......  rolleyes.gif [/color][/b]

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That kinda remind me of Aman Perdana which have been consistently putting a weekly quarter page ad in The Star 2 years back with alot of activities and free food. That lasted for more than a year.

Was curious to find out why until I bumped across discussion on its "not so nice" location, with factories nearby polluting the air.

People still buy em coz the price is cheap and with intention to "shoo away" those factories that was established long before their house do.

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Xui Cheng,

Since u went thru great lenghts in reading my previous post looking for mistakes(think I made those comments early this year), allow me to clarify/justify. I made those comments when market sentiment is at its worst, and Zest was less than 5% sold. I did mention "In today's market" in my advise, didnt I? Lastly, I did inform everyone right after I bought my unit, so thats is a clue/unspoken advise from me if anyone was watching.......  wink.gif

To those who heed my advise back then but failed to make the move to buy Zest even when sentiment starts recovering, I hereby offer my sincerest apologies as I didnt expect :

1. Sentiment to recover so quickly.

2. ZEST would outsold Setia Walk by a mile despite not offering any freebies. Guess all those "financing scheme" by SP Setia didnt manage to con as many ppl as I would expect.

3. Public would quickly realise that Zest is really value for money, despite its rookie developer. A good product wont be in stock for long. There still remaining units in SW if Im not mistaken.... but one has to wonder why its not unsold after more than 1 year on the market + free tong-sui makan + free starbucks and all that advertisement.......  rolleyes.gif


You see..........unlike you, I can justify my advise. Anyway, those who took my advise on not buying Setia Walk arent complaining at all  whistling.gif
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OMG, that was you, wau, u are really good in joking...

HAHAHA, besides a good Joker, U are also a very very lazy boy and spoon fed, asked you to read, provided with the link, u also dont want to read, then come here and ask for justification, when the justification is provided in the said link...http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

Atleast i read, without provided any link also i read.

I read ur very wrong advice b4, that was one of the reason i dont want to summarise for u. People like u re4ally think u owned Airasia, everything want free, spoon fed, made very wrong advice, still walking around like a big shot, want this want that, when given, dont want to read at all.

Dun want to read pun ok, still want to make accusation...

Come on, time to learn, atleast learn reading first.

Listen to u not to buy SW? r u kidding again, i will not follow someone's advice blindly, especially those who gave very wrong advice, lazy reader...this kind of advice...how much it worth? For those who followed your advice on Zest, went to Holland liao...http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900

HAHAHA.

Keep on joking, Pai

Besides, why are u so proud over justifications for a fundamentally wrong advice? Some more with hindsight!!!

Those listened to you wait for freebies in ZEST ended up with no freebies+higher premium+good unit finished hmm.gif
Those listened to you not to buy SW, now trying to get in after LRT news, ended up paying 10% premium whistling.gif
And, are u sure they WILL not complain? sweat.gif Is it too early to say this?


Added on September 18, 2009, 1:14 pmOk lah Pai,

Understand that u may have a busy schedule, so may i suggest this to you before you reply:-

1. Be hard working and read the link first: http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

2. Be capable of Identifying the "justification" or "explanation" first

3. If any lacking or you find the justification does not make sense, can table your rebuttal here

4. Then, we can start a meaningful discussion.

Step 1,2,3,4 = very simple

Of course, it is even easier to make bare allegation. It is alright, we are used to that already, from the politicians.

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Zest : it is a good buy, u may be surprised seeing my tenants being next door to you. Luckily i didnt follow this advise: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900
1 of the reason Zest moving very fast is the explicit selling points = Ramp + LRT

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SW : it is something new to me that selling fast = capital gain.
SW have not advocated LRT as the selling point b4, only after it is closed to "confirmed stage" (somewhere in August), the SA started telling prospect about that, so almost fully snapped up already.

For more details, please read the link provided there.

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Knock knock knock !

Pai taikor, are you there, please give some comments. hmm.gif

This thread is getting hot and interesting ! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Sep 18 2009, 05:10 PM)
Knock knock knock !

Pai taikor, are you there, please give some comments. hmm.gif

This thread is getting hot and interesting ! rclxms.gif
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Hi Benny,
We don disturb him first, maybe he just turned into a new live and finally start reading...
Don like to call it a debate, we are all friends here to share.
Looking forward to have a meaningful discussion, but only if Pai can read + willing to read.

Thanks

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Walaueh!!!
Pai, better be well prepared before you take Xui Cheng up!!!
She/he is good...

Ok, i also have vested interest in SW. Yes, i do. I bought it on the basis that is without LRT..I discounted LRT
After LRT is confirmed now...I will buy another one in the next launching.

Puchong is going through a rebranding. How far it can go wrong with IOI, SPS and YTL?

After the rebranding, i see Lake Edge(YTL), BPP(IOI) and SW the biggest winner. Why? more rich people to rush for limited top properties in Puchong.

i bought a IOI's house at 520k this april, now agent called me and offered 620k, it is still under con, i decide not to sell first, as the price will rise again when LRT piling start!!!

SW... it is overpriced..but full of Upward potential!!!

Why do you buy something without potential one?

SW and Zest are all good buys, they are not mutually exclusive.

EXcept ZEN, for those young ciku who likes to dream...

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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 18 2009, 10:37 AM)
OMG, that was you, wau, u are really good in joking...

HAHAHA, besides a good Joker, U are also a very very lazy boy and spoon fed, asked you to read, provided with the link,  u also dont want to read, then come here and ask for justification, when the justification is provided in the said link...http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

Atleast i read, without provided any link also i read.

I read ur very wrong advice b4, that was one of the reason i dont want to summarise for u. People like u re4ally think u owned Airasia, everything want free, spoon fed, made very wrong advice, still walking around like a big shot, want this want that, when given, dont want to read at all.

Dun want to read pun ok, still want to make accusation...

Come on, time to learn, atleast learn reading first.

Listen to u not to buy SW? r u kidding again, i will not follow someone's advice blindly, especially those who gave very wrong advice, lazy reader...this kind of advice...how much it worth? For those who followed your advice on Zest, went to Holland liao...http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900

HAHAHA.

Keep on joking, Pai

Besides, why are u so proud over justifications for a fundamentally wrong advice? Some more with hindsight!!!

Those listened to you wait for freebies in ZEST ended up with no freebies+higher premium+good unit finished hmm.gif
Those listened to you not to buy SW, now trying to get in after LRT news, ended up paying 10% premium whistling.gif
And, are u sure they WILL not complain? sweat.gif Is it too early to say this?


Added on September 18, 2009, 1:14 pmOk lah Pai,

Understand that u may have a busy schedule, so may i suggest this to you before you reply:-

1. Be hard working and read the link first:  http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

2. Be capable of Identifying the "justification" or "explanation" first

3. If any lacking or you find the justification does not make sense, can table your rebuttal here

4. Then, we can start a meaningful discussion.

Step 1,2,3,4 = very simple

Of course, it is even easier to make bare allegation. It is alright, we are used to that already, from the politicians.

_____________

Zest : it is a good buy, u may be surprised seeing my tenants being next door to you. Luckily i didnt follow this advise:  http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900
1 of the reason Zest moving very fast is the explicit selling points = Ramp + LRT

----------------

SW : it is something new to me that selling fast = capital gain.
SW have not advocated LRT as the selling point b4, only after it is closed to "confirmed stage" (somewhere in August), the SA started telling prospect about that, so almost fully snapped up already.

For more details, please read the link provided there.
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Wahlau........ you have plenty of time to write all these above but cannot even justify your previous claims. My question was very objective but u have to bring your emotional baggage from other forum to here. Suggest you learn communication skill from "cannot tahan" wink.gif




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Pai, guess u struck his nerve .. the most sensitive one. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 18 2009, 06:05 PM)
Walaueh!!!
Pai, better be well prepared before you take Xui Cheng up!!!
She/he is good...

Ok, i also have vested interest in SW. Yes, i do. I bought it on the basis that is without LRT..I discounted LRT
After LRT is confirmed now...I will buy another one in the next launching.

Puchong is going through a rebranding. How far it can go wrong with IOI, SPS and YTL?

After the rebranding, i see Lake Edge(YTL), BPP(IOI) and SW the biggest winner. Why? more rich people to rush for limited top properties in Puchong.

i bought a IOI's house at 520k this april, now agent called me and offered 620k, it is still under con, i decide not to sell first, as the price will rise again when LRT piling start!!!

SW... it is overpriced..but full of Upward potential!!!

Why do you buy something without potential one?

SW and Zest are all good buys, they are not mutually exclusive.

EXcept ZEN, for those young ciku who likes to dream...
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Prepared to take on this fella? what for? Its a forum, ppl here discuss about properties. Its weird to see how emotional ppl can be. I question her/him when she made a strong statement about SW, which was interesting and politely request her to justify which till today she has not able to. I hope she doesnt reflect the intelectual/emotional level for majority of SW buyers......else sweat.gif

Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 18 2009, 09:18 PM)
Prepared to take on this fella? what for? Its a forum, ppl here discuss about properties. Its weird to see how emotional ppl can be. I question her/him when she made a strong statement about SW, which was interesting and politely request her to justify which till today she has not able to.  I hope she doesnt reflect the intelectual/emotional level for majority of SW buyers......else  sweat.gif

Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now  tongue.gif
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My Dear Pai,

I have provided you the link with my justification, why were u so spoon fed, insisting me to summarise for u?

Emotional? r u still joking Pai, in the 1st place, i already provided the justification to you, by giving you the link which u are a member of...

And u blame me??? Just cant understand... Cant u read?

I'm sure u can read but not sure whether u can understand. Is that ur mind is clouded after i pointed out ur mistake?

Time for you to grow up and be on your foot, Pai.

And stop misrepresenting people ya, like u did in Zest.

Thanks for your good jokes, with a little bit of hardwork to read, it will make u better...


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QUOTE(alexL75 @ Sep 18 2009, 09:16 PM)
Pai, guess u struck his nerve .. the most sensitive one. smile.gif
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And i wonder this friend read the whole thing or not, or just simple come out, write something for the sake of writing something...



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Aiyoyo, what happened ar?

I think no one has been emotional, just having different way of dealing with situation.

Pai, in fact xui cheng did justified in that link lah...As there were some "matured" discussion some way, cannot expect us to redo everything over here mah...

Anyway, Puchong, as the city with fastest growth population in Malaysia, cannot go wrong one...

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chuah xui cheng;

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My Dear Pai,

I have provided you the link with my justification, why were u so spoon fed, insisting me to summarise for u?

Emotional? r u still joking Pai, in the 1st place, i already provided the justification to you, by giving you the link which u are a member of...

And u blame me??? Just cant understand... Cant u read?

I'm sure u can read but not sure whether u can understand. Is that ur mind is clouded after i pointed out ur mistake?

Time for you to grow up and be on your foot, Pai.

And stop misrepresenting people ya, like u did in Zest.

Thanks for your good jokes, with a little bit of hardwork to read, it will make u better...


a rather provoking little post...

i believe we all have been following the progress and growth on the 2 most debated non-landed development in Puchong... and we all do have our own interpretation on the investment as well.

However, i was hoping for a more construction debates and less criticism. And seems like this is getting nowhere about SW at all...

p/s Pai, thx for the comment on Subang SOHO. smile.gif
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Cannot Tahan, Pai, Benny & Co,

Yes, i am a female, so please feel free to "she", no need to "he/she"

Hopefully everyone can read things that he/she asked for. No point to bla bla bla if he/she does not know the facts and background provided. Dun reflect Air Asia mentality here, here got no free lunch, want to know, please read.

For the sake of Pai, i put the link here one more time

http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

But of course, only if Pai can make full use of his fingers and eye to read, and analyse with his brain. Remember, i am not duty bound to summarise for you, Not Air Asia. Justification contained herein,

You can choose not to read, and i am prepared to here more jokes from you. But to have correct attitude will surely be good for your career advancement.

Selamat Hari Raya in advance.






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broken link

re-link pls
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chuah xui cheng;
a rather provoking little post...

i believe we all have been following the progress and growth on the 2 most debated non-landed development in Puchong... and we all do have our own interpretation on the investment as well.

However, i was hoping for a more construction debates and less criticism. And seems like this is getting nowhere about SW at all...

p/s Pai, thx for the comment on Subang SOHO. smile.gif
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You find the statements of Facts a little provocative?

Em... no surprise, Pai aked for justification, i gave him the link which my justification is there, he then insisted me to post it here...Cant he just open that link and read? it was then premised on his arrogance/ignorance not to read that made his following statements become jokes...Bc he was making accusation from something that he did not want to read.

So? is it still provocative or rather a statement of Fact?
And if you could also enlighthen me on how to have a good discussion when one party refuse to read?

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Xui Cheng ar Xui Cheng,

I declare to the world, I LIKE U.

I can see so much of ME in YOU.

Always full with weapons and monies, and taking advantage and making full use of all your opponents' weaknesses + mistakes.

I admire ur courage to take on Daryl Teo in that realeatate link, he is one of the pioneer there and u have done well to make him "smaller".

Now u take on 1 pioneer here, HAHAHA, do prepare yourself as there will be more people to attack u, like what MONK did in that link

I'll be here...HAHAHA, BUt i dont think you will ever need me..

HAppy Hari Raya also.
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 18 2009, 11:05 PM)
You find the statements of Facts a little provocative?

Em... no surprise, Pai aked for justification, i gave him the link which my justification is there, he then insisted me to post it here...Cant he just open that link and read? it was then premised on his arrogance/ignorance not to read that made his following statements become jokes...Bc he was making accusation from something that he did not want to read.

So? is it still provocative or rather a statement of Fact?
And if you could also enlighthen me on how to have a good discussion when one party refuse to read?
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Um.. the link is broken. Someone said that earlier, but it is still broken. What were you saying about people who refuse to read?

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You find the statements of Facts a little provocative?

Em... no surprise, Pai aked for justification, i gave him the link which my justification is there, he then insisted me to post it here...Cant he just open that link and read? it was then premised on his arrogance/ignorance not to read that made his following statements become jokes...Bc he was making accusation from something that he did not want to read.

So? is it still provocative or rather a statement of Fact?
And if you could also enlighthen me on how to have a good discussion when one party refuse to read?


perhaps you got me wrong there... no i didnt say the statements of facts are provoking... i'm saying that YOUR post is provocative.

1) Read the link? perhaps you are not aware of the ppl behind the link...

2) Accusation? i see you making more accusations than the rest of the ppl here... or should i read it as "speculation"?

3) i've just read through the realestate topic, and am now more convinced of how arrogance and ignorance you can be.

1 questions here... how long have you been investing in property?


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 18 2009, 11:29 PM)
Um.. the link is broken. Someone said that earlier, but it is still broken. What were you saying about people who refuse to read?
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Please refer to the below, the first time i invited Benny to read the link, addressed to Pai as well. It is intact

QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:39 PM)
Xui Cheng, thanks for your remarks on SW.

Yes, talking about buying properties...whether for own stay or investment, the major factors we should consider are location, developer, surrounding amenities, public transport, accessibility to major towns, future appreciation of properties, bla bla bla....all these seem to be in the favour of SW.

Ah, almost forget to mention about the price...damn...many people seem to be scared away by the so called high premium price charged by SPS.

Before I take my order...need more opinions from the sifus to enlighten me.

My reply to Benny

Just visit: http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0 , u will see plenty of discussion, good and bad.

Most of the critic = Traffic Jam, which may be lighthened by the LRT.

Price = i dun think it is very "overpriced" since Zarra of IOI also selling 600k.

Pai,
I dun intend to write a thesis to justify. will be the same comment in the above link, which u are also a member.

Thanks


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QUOTE(merce @ Sep 18 2009, 11:40 PM)
perhaps you got me wrong there... no i didnt say the statements of facts are provoking... i'm saying that YOUR post is provocative.

1) Read the link? perhaps you are not aware of the ppl behind the link...

2) Accusation? i see you making more accusations than the rest of the ppl here... or should i read it as "speculation"?

3) i've just read through the realestate topic, and am now more convinced of how arrogance and ignorance you can be.

1 questions here... how long have you been investing in property?
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Cannot Tahan rarely got it wrong...

1) ppl behid the link? OMG, so u r trying to say you know all ppl behind that link and this link? True or not...U think u are CEO of MCMC ar? Can know all the people one...Bla Bla Bla, True or not????

2)Accusation? please pin point lah, dun learn like our dear friend, need to got some basis, isn't it? Like that no good lah...

3) I never denied that i am not arrogance, but i reserve ignorance and naive for u..And u are contradicting mah!!! you say you know the ppl behind that link, like u know they are jahat one, but still want to read, AIYOYO, want to do business no need like that one mah!!!

4) How long in property? HAHA, a amature question, The point is not when u start, but when you finish..right? And somemore ar, not wise lah to ask like that, she can say 5y 10y 100y...So what, can u verify or not???? Ask a question like not asking question at all...AIYOYO..If u ask ur client how many years they want to borrow ok lah..How many year in property asked in Internet woh, aiyo.



Dear xui cheng,
I said i like u, so u dont mind i reply on behalf???HEHEHE


Please bear with me ar, i like boy boy girl girl playing sands

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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 12:16 AM)
Please refer to the below, the first time i invited Benny to read the link, addressed to Pai as well. It is intact


No it's not.. what's going on? the link literally looks like this :


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http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0


See all the dots? they're not supposed to be there. That's what makes the link invalid. Can you post just the reference part (without the 'http://www.realestate.net.my'? maybe that will work.

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 19 2009, 12:27 AM)
No it's not.. what's going on? the link literally looks like this :
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http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0


See all the dots? they're not supposed to be there. That's what makes the link invalid. Can you post just the reference part (without the 'http://www.realestate.net.my'? maybe that will work.
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http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

I think it is ok and in this way in the 1st citation, the system changed it to dot dot dot one after cut and paste within this thread. if you go back to xui cheng's post to Benny, it is intact.

Or just surf on www.realestate.net.my

Follow by Discussion forum,

follow by Setia Walk

U can get it, 40 over pages

Enjoy, see how Zavier, Xui cheng and I thrashed 1 Monk...

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QUOTE(alexL75 @ Sep 18 2009, 09:16 PM)
Pai, guess u struck his nerve .. the most sensitive one. smile.gif
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HER nerve, and guess I must have struck LOTS of it judging by her reply....... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 18 2009, 10:22 PM)
I have provided you the link with my justification, why were u so spoon fed, insisting me to summarise for u?
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So I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.


I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself cool2.gif ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes tongue.gif

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Mr Cannot Tahan,

It is ok, but i miss your really provocative words in Zen.

However, if i may correct u a little bit...I didnt claim myself being arrogant, i am just stating the fact.

The facts remains simple, pai asked for the info and i provided the info, he then refused to read.

And when he was caught red handed with giving a fundamentally wrong advise (he asked those interested in Zest to wait minimum a year for freebies), he got pissed off and claimed that i cant justify.

And only emotional person will attack other people being emotional. Somemore only people with low self confidence will put AirAsia boss there to enhance his reputation.

Really hope that we can have a quality discussion, but people will have to read first.


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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 19 2009, 12:42 AM)
HER nerve, and guess I must have struck LOTS of it judging by her reply.......  tongue.gif


Added on September 19, 2009, 12:54 am
So I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.


I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself  cool2.gif ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes  tongue.gif
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Oh Pai, you read, Glad that u finally do.

If u have done this at the 1st opportunity, it would have made this link more informative. Good that u read, late is better than never, congrate.

OK, let's start...

1st, i adopted learned Cannot Tahan's view. I am of the opinion a well to do guy have not much options in Puchong. Yes, they can always choose to stay in MK,KLCC... But i am referring to those who has to stay in Puchong, perhaps due to time constrain, family ties....They can afford and would not mind to pay a premium...

Just like u can get a terrace in other areas in Puchong paying less than 300k, but some people dun mind to pay double in BPP and YTL's lake adge. It is all come to one = affordability.

And puchong got more and more businessman, topped with more and more good earning working class, with the introduction of PFCC and Co.

You can see the response from recent IOI's launch, 600k for 22 X 75, almost fully sold in 2 days, left with unit facing junction.

Ok Pai, your turn

Ps: Be patience, let's see whether we can reach a consensus on the generality first, b4 we zoom in further...But Lets see if you can actually point out some useful advice, or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is giving wrong advice as you gave in Zest whistling.gif

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Xui Cheng ar Xui Cheng,

Just 1 to top up 1 thing, Puchong lack of high end condo, SW may be the only 1 in puchong for a number of years...

For me, high end condo in KLCC and MK are so closed to the optimum... Puchong is a good area to explore.

HEHEHE, i always prefer to go after niche market, we have a choice, we can choose those who can afford...HEHEHE

Bravo and keep it up
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 19 2009, 01:02 AM)
If u have done this at the 1st opportunity, it would have made this link more informative. Good that u read, late is better than never, congrate.
I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 19 2009, 01:02 AM)
1st, i adopted learned Cannot Tahan's view. I am of the opinion a well to do guy have not much options in Puchong. Yes, they can always choose to stay in MK,KLCC... But i am referring to those who has to stay in Puchong, perhaps due to time constrain, family ties....They can afford and would not mind to pay a premium...
So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 19 2009, 01:02 AM)
And puchong got more and more businessman, topped with more and more good earning working class, with the introduction of PFCC and Co.
Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows............. tongue.gif

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 19 2009, 01:02 AM)
You can see the response from recent IOI's launch, 600k for 22 X 75, almost fully sold in 2 days, left with unit facing junction.
And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng? rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 01:34 AM)
Xui Cheng ar Xui Cheng,

Just 1 to top up 1 thing, Puchong lack of high end condo, SW may be the only 1 in puchong for a number of years...

For me, high end condo in KLCC and MK are so closed to the optimum... Puchong is a good area to explore.

HEHEHE, i always prefer to go after niche market, we have a choice, we can choose those who can afford...HEHEHE

Bravo and keep it up
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Chief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with? Care to share your thought? hmm.gif



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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 19 2009, 01:54 AM)
I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?
So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?
Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows.............  tongue.gif 
And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng? rolleyes.gif


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Chief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with?  Care to share your thought? hmm.gif
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AH Pai ar AH Pai,
If u compare with stonor park, SW is just some bricks and cement...
If u compare within Puchong? it is the surrounding that makes it "high end" mah...

I thinnk Xui Cheng and Zavier addressed those issues in that realestate link, see whether she care to redo it over here,

Dun worry Pai, if she dosent to so, i will come in later.

Coz this is really late, my old soul will need a lot of rests...

Good night, chief
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at the moment , SW still got units available? Quite interested to buy and join the fun..tongue.gif
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at the moment , SW still got units available? Quite interested to buy and join the fun..tongue.gif
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At least still got 2 more blocks blush.gif plenty to choose from biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 19 2009, 01:54 AM)
I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?
So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?
Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows.............  tongue.gif 
And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng? rolleyes.gif


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Chief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with?  Care to share your thought? hmm.gif
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Dear Pai, glad that u read and not repeating the same mistake,

1. English
Yes, sorry that i dont know how to type chinese or Tamil

2. Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera...
Pai, dont show cold war mentality...All the condos you mentioned are NOT mutually exclusive, all MAY be benefited! Each of them ought to be looked into with own facts.

3. WHY SW
Facilities? Pai, do u really take that as the main consideration? I understand that most ppl dont really utilise the facilities, I believe SW will stand up on other as a "brand". Judging solely from facilities, i am sure Zen will outcast ALL kind of development???

4. Businessman
More ppl > more business > more businessmen...Hope your comman sense can understand this
And with all sorts of banks you can recall, why they open a branch there if the business is not vibrant?

5. Why choose condo
Again Pai, Businessman does not mean all make millions, there can be 10k, 20k, 100k, 100m, So is it your proposition that all businessman can afford bungalows? Use ur common sense, that i hope u have...And u tot' businessman stay in semi D or bungalow??? Just like you tot' Zest need atleast 1 year yo sell off and will offer freebies BUT THEY DIDNT< And u apologised for your "TOT", SO? what u tot' is always right rclxm9.gif

6.Not fully sold + cancelling
Why dont you also go to SW showhouse to see? And infact, the number is provided in the previous posts

7. IF can accord, why condo?
Oh Pai, do u believe that 1 product can suit all kind of people? It is simple "Personal Preferance", can also be more sense of secured!!! Again, your "tot'" is not always conclusive and accurate, there are always an opposite, Ying & Yang

8. High End
Oops, since it is abundantly dealt with by Mr Cannot Tahan, i will not troble u to read more.

And Pai, i have no problem at all to discuss, but hope it will be some more difficult Q, not those can be answered by common sense....And please read

And i dont like to debate, i like sharing and discussing...

Thanks Pai.


And Dear All,

I see rick kepong people move to DPC, KL people to KLCC, PJ people to BU & tmn Tun, Segambut dalam to MK... landed and Condo.

So where can puchong people go?

Don tell me they prefer to stuck in the trafic coming to Puchong every morning and evening or all day, from DPC, KLCC, MK, TTDI, Subang, Cyber, Putra...

I will rest my case here, until it is proven wrong.

And of course, it is ok to agree and disagree, or we can agree to disagree, as i always acknowledge there are 2 sides of coin.

Happy reading and see u again.

Thanks

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This has now become an interesting read with all the back and forth replies. SW never really caught my interest but now it certainly has, will go and check it out later. Thanks folks, nice debate keep it up just try to refrain from making personal attacks and focus on the facts as much as possible smile.gif)
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Sep 19 2009, 09:29 AM)
At least still got 2 more blocks  blush.gif plenty to choose from  biggrin.gif
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How much at the moment and the downpayment? Is there any interest free during construction period? Thanks
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The last time was having 5/95 scheme with 0% con. interest.. Not sure what happen now... u can check with their show room http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=3.0350655&lo...78&z=18&l=7&m=b

Their 1st launch was selling at RM325/sqft .. which translate the smallest 850sqft (1+1 room) unit at about RM276k..

2nd block will have an increase of 10% as described by other forumers... Best is to check with SPS.. good luck..

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How much at the moment and the downpayment? Is there any interest free during construction period? Thanks
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I was told SPS still offering it implicitly, on the name of case by case basis.

I think less than 10 units left. Ths SA told me in affirmative way that at least 10% hike in the next launch.

Just to remind u there are many critics on this project. Make your own decision, All the Bests
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Besides more intellectual discussion, i also expect the moral police to jump in...Merce?

And Xui Cheng, one more thing, SPS...

You wont get something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM



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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 04:37 PM)
Besides more intellectual discussion, i also expect the moral police to jump in...Merce?

And Xui Cheng, one more thing, SPS...

You wont get something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM
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This is not good...

Many of us have vested interest in a project developed by this Developer. I heard it is bad, but dun know tho this extent. Hope they are better now.

And now it appears to me like a big joke, when once upon atime, one of our friend said this: rclxub.gif
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I wonder why ppl complaint so much when Heron is property they bought for 100k++ only. Were they expecting Sunrise level of workmanship?

Keep on saying workmanship is bad but never highlight the details.....dem funny ;p rate
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QUOTE(merce @ Sep 18 2009, 11:40 PM)
perhaps you got me wrong there... no i didnt say the statements of facts are provoking... i'm saying that YOUR post is provocative.

1) Read the link? perhaps you are not aware of the ppl behind the link...

2) Accusation? i see you making more accusations than the rest of the ppl here... or should i read it as "speculation"?

3) i've just read through the realestate topic, and am now more convinced of how arrogance and ignorance you can be.

1 questions here... how long have you been investing in property?
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Cannot Tahan rarely got it wrong...

1) ppl behid the link? OMG, so u r trying to say you know all ppl behind that link and this link? True or not...U think u are CEO of MCMC ar? Can know all the people one...Bla Bla Bla, True or not????

2)Accusation? please pin point lah, dun learn like our dear friend, need to got some basis, isn't it? Like that no good lah...

3) I never denied that i am not arrogance, but i reserve ignorance and naive for u..And u are contradicting mah!!! you say you know the ppl behind that link, like u know they are jahat one, but still want to read, AIYOYO, want to do business no need like that one mah!!!

4) How long in property? HAHA, a amature question, The point is not when u start, but when you finish..right? And somemore ar, not wise lah to ask like that, she can say 5y 10y 100y...So what, can u verify or not???? Ask a question like not asking question at all...AIYOYO..If u ask ur client how many years they want to borrow ok lah..How many year in property asked in Internet woh, aiyo.



Dear xui cheng,
I said i like u, so u dont mind i reply on behalf???HEHEHE

Please bear with me ar, i like boy boy girl girl playing sands



Eh why quote me? = =" i was refering to her post not urs lah...


QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 04:37 PM)
Besides more intellectual discussion, i also expect the moral police to jump in...Merce?

And Xui Cheng, one more thing, SPS...

You wont get something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM
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pass me the badge smile.gif



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QUOTE(merce @ Sep 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
Eh why quote me? = =" i was refering to her post not urs lah...

You referred to hers, i referred to yours. Same theory

pass me the badge smile.gif

It's with u already, i'll pass u a mirror, HEHEHE
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 19 2009, 10:07 AM)
2. Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera...
Pai, dont show cold war mentality...All the condos you mentioned are NOT mutually exclusive, all MAY be benefited! Each of them ought to be looked into with own facts.


3. WHY SW
Facilities? Pai, do u really take that as the main consideration? I understand that most ppl dont really utilise the facilities, I believe SW will stand up on other as a "brand". Judging solely from facilities, i am sure Zen will outcast ALL kind of development???


4. Businessman
More ppl > more business > more businessmen...Hope your comman sense can understand this
And with all sorts of banks you can recall, why they open a branch there if the business is not vibrant?

5. Why choose condo
Again Pai, Businessman does not mean all make millions, there can be 10k, 20k, 100k, 100m, So is it your proposition that all businessman can afford bungalows? Use ur common sense, that i hope u have...And u tot' businessman stay in semi D or bungalow??? Just like you tot' Zest need atleast 1 year yo sell off and will offer freebies BUT THEY DIDNT< And u apologised for your "TOT", SO? what u tot' is always right rclxm9.gif

6.Not fully sold + cancelling
Why dont you also go to SW showhouse to see? And infact, the number is provided in the previous posts

7. IF can accord, why condo?
Oh Pai, do u believe that 1 product can suit all kind of people? It is simple "Personal Preferance", can also be more sense of secured!!! Again, your "tot'" is not always conclusive and accurate, there are always an opposite, Ying & Yang

8. High End
Oops, since it is abundantly dealt with by Mr Cannot Tahan, i will not troble u to read more.

And Pai, i have no problem at all to discuss, but hope it will be some more difficult Q, not those can be answered by common sense....And please read

And i dont like to debate, i like sharing and discussing...

Thanks Pai.
And Dear All,

I see rick kepong people move to DPC, KL people to KLCC, PJ people to BU & tmn Tun, Segambut dalam to MK... landed and Condo.

So where can puchong people go?

Don tell me they prefer to stuck in the trafic coming to Puchong every morning and evening or all day, from DPC, KLCC, MK, TTDI, Subang, Cyber, Putra...

I will rest my case here, until it is proven wrong.

And of course, it is ok to agree and disagree, or we can agree to disagree, as i always acknowledge there are 2 sides of coin.

Happy reading and see u again.

Thanks

Deciosn is yours

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Think you are avoiding most of the questions, as expected. Let me clarify the question to its most basic english state for your understanding :

2. I didnt asked which is the worst or best. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?

3. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats?
Im not sure about you, but I've been in the landlord business long enuff to know that good facilities attracts good tenants + premium rents. Its a major consideration albeit not a main one especially if one is gonna fork out a hefty 350-400psf. Honestly SW facilities are mediocre at best and is probably the worst of the 4.

3a. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?

4. U assume that there r plenty business man in Puchong, and I asked you for stats to prove your assumption. As I suspected, its PURELY your own assumption not backed with any facts whatsoever, just like the rest of your statements.

Speaking of common-sense, all good projects nomally sold out within weeks/months. Use your "common-sense" and do tell us why SW has yet to sell all its block and still not able to fully sell its existing stocks despite :

- offering 5/95 con scheme
- Various round of free makan and drinks
- Monthly adevertisment in all major newspaper.

5. Zest was a good product that is fully sold. Ealier buyer now makes 10%-15% paper gain on a fully sold project. I cant say the same for SW though.

Again u r avoiding the question. These businessman that you mentioned, why would they choose SW over other condos, DSL, Semi-D and Bungalow? Please answer the question if you can.

6. Been there and the finishing is so-so. I do like the layout of the studios though. And yes its NOT fully sold even to date.

7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong? Or r u saying that SW buyers all buy SW bcoz its expensive? wink.gif

8. Your high-end definition must be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower than the general standard if u think SW is a high end product. Have u seen a high-end product before? Care to share whats your definition on "high end"?


Added on September 19, 2009, 9:31 pm
QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 02:06 AM)
AH Pai ar AH Pai,
If u compare with stonor park, SW is just some bricks and cement...
If u compare within Puchong? it is the surrounding that makes it "high end" mah...

I thinnk Xui Cheng and Zavier addressed those issues in that realestate link, see whether she care to redo it over here,

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I've seen Atmosfera, Zen and SW showroom, and honestly SW looks like the worst of the lot, in terms of facilities, finishing and spec. Therefore, usage of high-end to describe SW is highly debatable boss, "high-price" or expensive IMO is a more fair description. wink.gif



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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 19 2009, 09:19 PM)
Think you are avoiding most of the questions, as expected. Let me clarify the question to its most basic english state for your understanding :

2. I didnt asked which is the worst or best. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?

3. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats?
Im not sure about you, but I've been in the landlord business long enuff to know that good facilities attracts good tenants + premium rents. Its a major consideration albeit not a main one especially if one is gonna fork out a hefty 350-400psf. Honestly SW facilities are mediocre at best and is probably the worst of the 4.

3a. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?

4. U assume that there r plenty business man in Puchong, and I asked you for stats to prove your assumption. As I suspected, its PURELY your own assumption not backed with any facts whatsoever, just like the rest of your statements. 

Speaking of common-sense, all good projects nomally sold out within weeks/months.  Use your "common-sense" and do tell us why SW has yet to sell all its block and still not able to fully sell its existing stocks despite :

- offering 5/95 con scheme
- Various round of free makan and drinks
- Monthly adevertisment in all major newspaper.

5. Zest was a good product that is fully sold. Ealier buyer now makes 10%-15% paper gain on a fully sold project. I cant say the same for SW though.

Again u r avoiding the question. These businessman that you mentioned, why would they choose SW over other condos, DSL, Semi-D and Bungalow? Please answer the question if you can.

6. Been there and the finishing is so-so. I do like the layout of the studios though. And yes its NOT fully sold even to date.

7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong? Or r u saying that SW buyers all buy SW bcoz its expensive?  wink.gif 

8. Your high-end definition must be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower than the general standard if u think SW is a high end product. Have u seen a high-end product before? Care to share whats your definition on "high end"?


Added on September 19, 2009, 9:31 pm

I've seen Atmosfera, Zen and SW showroom, and honestly SW looks like the worst of the lot, in terms of facilities, finishing and spec. Therefore, usage of high-end to describe SW is highly debatable boss, "high-price" or expensive IMO is a more fair description.  wink.gif
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Pai,

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

Hope u understand SW is selling a condo + lifestyle, seems like u rarely go out with the younger generation and lost touch with the trends.

Since u r in the stage of cool.gif "cold war" syndrome, can accomodate 1 opinion only...

No point to retype everything here for all the answered questions, but i just leave it to the genuine interested party to judge the following:

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D?

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

AND this one for Pai,

13. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats? U said u are in this busibess looooooooooong enough.. Really, how do i verify it is your imagination, self inflation, or the least possible fact? r u showing us some proof or..... whistling.gif OMG, i have reasonable doubt bc you have the tendency to be self inflated, like putting AirAsia Boss up there...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims? whistling.gif
And i'm sure you bought Zen, judging from your proposition of facilities, ALL expat will rush to Zen, so 1 unit, i floor or 1 block you bought?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

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Hi Kekanda Xui Cheng,

I miss u so much .. and the fun as well sad.gif
one big guy down in realestate and here comes another chief .. haha ..
salute ..
like cannot tahan, i like u three ..
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Hi Kekanda Xui Cheng,

I miss u so much .. and the fun as well sad.gif
one big guy down in realestate and here comes another chief .. haha ..
salute ..
like cannot tahan, i like u three ..
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U want to try the Q & A?


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QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 19 2009, 11:32 PM)
Hi Kekanda Xui Cheng,

I miss u so much .. and the fun as well sad.gif
one big guy down in realestate and here comes another chief .. haha ..
salute ..
like cannot tahan, i like u three ..
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I feel like falling in love again, adinda
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 18 2009, 09:18 PM)
Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now  tongue.gif
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Har cool .. was looking back at the previous post which i find it interesting .. ur personal view that sw is no longer overpriced but expensive is a valuable insight .. can u see the distinction between these two words ... first ppl tend to think that it is overpriced which means that the product doesnt worth tht much and find it hard to justify the price .. now with the lrt confirmed, ppl think that the price is more justified but still expensive (a downgrade from overprice) ... i m glad to hear this ... i believe sw is moving in the right direction ..

ok not too much into pricing .. cos like xuicheng said, it's all in realestate forum .. at this moment i dun expect any new discussion to justify the price ... second block launching price will be interesting to see then ..

but let's go back to chief .. i want to point out at zest developer ..
personally i m amazed with zest selling point .. i think everything works in favor for this development .. but developer is a big concern ..
1) heron resident has been complaining so hard on this developer and to my shock with Mr Cannot Tahan recent video
2) i was told one en bloc was alr sold to korean .. in the end didnt materialise ...
3) lrt station jst opposite road .. but looking from the lrt map, it has at least 1km to reach the station .. but it is still not that bad anyway ...
the point is .. how can u trust this kind of developer .. even if the show unit is nicely done, it is unlikely ur unit will be of same standard .. heron experience is so sad to learn .. u can onli wish tht 80% is delivered then it is ok .. however, i see the risk in this development is much higher than sw ... so instead of judging if sw is worth tht price, it would even be better to keep a close eye on ur developer .. good luck to u ..


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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 19 2009, 11:35 PM)
WALAUEH, AIYOYO, we reunited...finally...

U want to try the Q & A?
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alr well said by Xui Cheng .. would rather hope for a better question .. cool.gif


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I feel like falling in love again, adinda
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hehe ... me too .. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Pai,

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

Hope u understand SW is selling a condo + lifestyle, seems like u rarely go out with the younger generation and lost touch with the trends.

Since u r in the stage of  cool.gif "cold war" syndrome, can accomodate 1 opinion only...

No point to retype everything here for all the answered questions, but i just leave it to the genuine interested party to judge the following:

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D?

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

AND this one for Pai,

13. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats? U said u are in this busibess looooooooooong enough.. Really, how do i verify it is your imagination, self inflation, or the least possible fact? r u showing us some proof or..... whistling.gif OMG, i have reasonable doubt bc you have the tendency to be self inflated, like putting AirAsia Boss up there...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims? whistling.gif
And i'm sure you bought Zen, judging from your proposition of facilities, ALL expat will rush to Zen, so 1 unit, i floor or 1 block you bought?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev,  15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?
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All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 20 2009, 12:51 AM)
Har cool .. was looking back at the previous post which i find it interesting .. ur personal view that sw is no longer overpriced but expensive is a valuable insight ..  can u see the distinction between these two words ... first ppl tend to think that it is overpriced which means that the product doesnt worth tht much and find it hard to justify the price .. now with the lrt confirmed, ppl think that the price is more justified but still expensive (a downgrade from overprice) ... i m glad to hear this ... i believe sw is moving in the right direction ..
Hi Zavier, glad to see there's at least 2 rational SW owner tongue.gif

Look, I never said SW is a bad product. Expensive yes (at least for me), but not a bad product. I think its expensive as Zen, Atmosfera, Zest etc all are sold for at least 30% cheaper VS SW. But with the LRT forthcoming, I see value in SW. Given sufficient time.........SW will appreciate n make decent gains for its buyers. But VS others, appreciation might be on slower pace as I believe that SP has priced SW residential units too high to fund their expensive :

1. Zero Interest undercon program
2. Marketing expenses
3. Retail units

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng). These r genuine investors and have made decent $$$$ in years of property investment. Looking at sales levels achieved by Zest, Zen and Atmosfera compared to SW, one has to wonder. Its already difficult to sell SW now(at least from the sales performance), imagine u asking ppl to buy your unit at 20%-30% premium later.........


And yes, saw your comments on Zest dev and I think those are fair thoughts especially on what happened to Heron, korean enbloc etc. My thoughts are :

1. Heron is 1st project for TT, definitely there's some learnings TT needs to accept. But SW is SPS's 1st highrise project in KV, there's no guarantee that SW wont turn up to be as bad or worst than Heron, right? SHC builds excellent landed props, but lousy high rise, for example. SW holds no guarantees as well.

2. Korean en-bloc - I've warned that potential buyers need to take news like this like pinch of salt. The same for LRT station proposal. If it happens its a bonus. Now at least the LRT and ramp seems will happen as promised, and at RM200psf Zest now looks like a steal smile.gif

3. SPS promises and sells lifestyle to buyers like your good self. But did they put in in a contract? And pls look at the surrounding new shop lots and retail units surrounding SW site. Most of it is empty. There's no guarantee that SW wont end up the same. SPS has zero track record as far as building lifestyle mall is concerned but trying to sell "lifestyle" units at a premium, above 50% VS other new developments.


Bottomline, all developers r there to make $$$ first. One needs to decide whether what the developer sells you is worth paying for(minus ALL the promises of lifestyle, LRT, Korean enbloc etc), else you'll pay thru your rear-bottom instead.




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Confirm that Pai will only see what he wants to see, hear only what he wants to hears.

Given him all the self explanatory Q also he is going no way. In fact if he attempt the 15Qs, he will be so closed to the core, but he failed. Pai, you have to start from the basic to be good.

Simply cut and Paste some articles from those real estate book wont take u far...

Start from the basic Pai, be humble enough to learn, atleast finish the 15 Qs and we can start to have intellectual discussion.

Whether i'm misleading???Let's time to prove.

Atleast we have proven Pai was misleading and continue to mislead... rclxm9.gif

Baseless claim?

1. In mArch 09, Pai asked everyone not to buy Zest, asking them to "trust" him that zest cannot sell at least 1 year. This is confirmed misleading.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900

2. Then he suddenly buy one in Sep, 1 of the very last unit,letting all his "followers" behind.... rclxub.gif

3. When those Heron's owners were crying all the defects, he claimed that these people were funny, he claimed thatit was a 100++ aprtment and what can they expect? sweat.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420


4. OMG, Pai claimed Puchong no bissnessman????? Amazingly misleading

Sure Pai, what can the Heron's owner expect? Because that is not your house. brows.gif

Pai is also proven to be a spoon fed and lact of common sense, for example, do i need to elaborate on "If Puchong Slump, SW will also Slump"?

You are a good joker.

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Adinda Zavier,
I am sorry for putting up all the entry level questions. I thought it is for the benefit of Pai, so that he could understand bit by bit. Pai failed me...

I do hope for a better one.

I give up already, if you read how Pai commented on the complain of Heron's owners, u will know why i said he is seriously lacking of common sense, as all the cracks and popping floor appears to be funny for Him.

And he asked Heronian what can they expect with a100++ aprtment? Surely a men with common sense will not accept popping floor even in a DBKL flat...

Thanks

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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 20 2009, 01:36 AM)

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng). These r genuine investors and have made decent $$$$ in years of property investment. Looking at sales levels achieved by Zest, Zen and Atmosfera compared to SW, one has to wonder. Its already difficult to sell SW now(at least from the sales performance), imagine u asking ppl to buy your unit at 20%-30% premium later.........
And yes, saw your comments on Zest dev and I think those are fair thoughts especially on what happened to Heron, korean enbloc etc. My thoughts are :

1. Heron is 1st project for TT, definitely there's some learnings TT needs to accept. But SW is SPS's 1st highrise project in KV, there's no guarantee that SW wont turn up to be as bad or worst than Heron, right? SHC builds excellent landed props, but lousy high rise, for example. SW holds no guarantees as well.
it is not the quality i m worried .. it is the developer ignorance to tackle the issue ...  doh.gif

2. Korean en-bloc - I've warned that potential buyers need to take news like this like pinch of salt. The same for LRT station proposal. If it happens its a bonus. Now at least the LRT and ramp seems will happen as promised, and at RM200psf Zest now looks like a steal  smile.gif
It is cheap because it is compared against sw etc .. bt tht provided developer can deliver at least 80% .. if like heron, do u still think it is a steal ? sweat.gif

3. SPS promises and sells lifestyle to buyers like your good self. But did they put in in a contract? And pls look at the surrounding new shop lots and retail units surrounding SW site. Most of it is empty. There's no guarantee that SW wont end up the same. SPS has zero track record as far as building lifestyle mall is concerned but trying to sell "lifestyle" units at a premium, above 50% VS other new developments.
Bottomline, all developers r there to make $$$ first. One needs to decide whether what the developer sells you is worth paying for(minus ALL the promises of lifestyle, LRT, Korean enbloc etc), else you'll pay thru your rear-bottom instead.
They dun put in contract ..  hmm.gif this i shud say FAITH .. do u have faith in ur developer ?  brows.gif and by merely comparing other shoplots with sw is not fair .. u know sw is unique with the waterway and entertainment centre .. and most importantly, sps is vested in sw .. just like ioi mall n pfcc and boulevard, they lease out to ensure good tenant mix .. a good strategy to upgrade the place .. yea i agree "one needs to decide whether what the developer sells u is worth paying for" but dun minus all promises la .. in fact, i m amazed sps didnt sell the lrt point .. now i dun have minus but plus ..  thumbup.gif 

as a conclusion i think the word "developer" is the answer to most queries .. i m amazed with how sps handle the issue ... n now i can say i have faith in them .. selling fast just dun give me the faith ..

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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
1. In mArch 09, Pai asked everyone not to buy Zest, asking them to "trust" him that zest cannot sell at least 1 year. This is confirmed misleading.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900

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Hrm to be fair - I think one makes decision based on the market situation, and the future.

Back in March, the economy was looking gloomy indeed. LRT plans were also fishy, it would seem the federal government was all out against any non-BN state projects.
So indeed, Pai's analysis is correct during that time.

3 months later, we made some sort of a V-shaped recovery, along with all the stimulus and ever low interest rates. LRT plans suddenly goes ahead.
These were all quite unexpected, and it had nothing to do with the developer, but rather purely a change in consumer behaviour, confidence and risk taking.
This was surely bound to happen, but maybe no one expected it to be so quickly.

So, the data now is quite different compared to the past. It will also, requires change the valuation and decisions one make.
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)

3. When those Heron's owners were crying all the defects, he claimed that these people were funny, he claimed thatit was a 100++ aprtment and what can they expect? sweat.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420[/b]

Adinda Zavier,
I am sorry for putting up all the entry level questions. I thought it is for the benefit of Pai, so that he could understand bit by bit. Pai failed me...

I do hope for a better one.

I give up already, if you read how Pai commented on the complain of Heron's owners, u will know why i said he is seriously lacking of common sense, as all the cracks and popping floor appears to be funny for Him.

And he asked Heronian what can they expect with a100++ aprtment? Surely a men with common sense will not accept popping floor even in a DBKL flat...

Thanks
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With one more down, where would be ur next target rclxms.gif haha ..
like Pai said, there are many taikors in other forums who shared the same view as him .. who's next ? brows.gif

Pai,
i hope in future, other ppl dun say the same thing to u
"what can zestian expect with a 200k apartment ... shakehead.gif

haha .. taikor taikor ... i see they dun learn anymore when they are high lvl .. they onli give advise now .. rolleyes.gif



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Since I have no vested interest in any of the above, thought I will just pitch in something tongue.gif

I think to compare SW vs Zest, both being first phases high rise condo, Puchong area with access to LRT, and relatively close proximity (except maybe SW has better access to larger roads and commercial centers) - it seems to coming down to a fight between developers - and if it's worth your money paying for that.

My opinion is, SP Setia and Zest are targeting different markets, with the former focusing not just on providing a shelther, but also lifestyle and living.
If I'm choosing for own stay, definately SW over Zest.

But for investment, since it's about profit/loss and ROI - SW's higher price makes it less attractive. Also, there're landed props within the range available in Puchong as well.
Zest is about 30% cheaper psqf basis, but you probably get what you're paying for.

So which one? Different people, different answers... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Sep 20 2009, 12:16 PM)
Hrm to be fair -  I think one makes decision based on the market situation, and the future.

Back in March, the economy was looking gloomy indeed. LRT plans were also fishy, it would seem the federal government was all out against any non-BN state projects.
So indeed, Pai's analysis is correct during that time.

3 months later, we made some sort of a V-shaped recovery, along with all the stimulus and ever low interest rates. LRT plans suddenly goes ahead.
These were all quite unexpected, and it had nothing to do with the developer, but rather purely a change in consumer behaviour, confidence and risk taking.
This was surely bound to happen, but maybe no one expected it to be so quickly.

So, the data now is quite different compared to the past. It will also, requires change the valuation and decisions one make.
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Agree, absolutely.

I pointed out the fact to prove that Pai isn't always right as he think he is. The fact speak on its own.

In fact, i was amazed when i first read the "advice" back then while I was still going into the market, capitalizing on the situation.

Surely, he is working in the opposite direction of the great investor, WB.

Thanks


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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 20 2009, 01:36 AM)
All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

[b]Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).  [/B]

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Hi Zavier, glad to see there's at least 2 rational SW owner  tongue.gif

Look, I never said SW is a bad product. Expensive yes (at least for me), but not a bad product. I think its expensive as Zen, Atmosfera, Zest etc all are sold for at least 30% cheaper VS SW. But with the LRT forthcoming, I see value in SW. Given sufficient time.........SW will appreciate n make decent gains for its buyers. But VS others, appreciation might be on slower pace as I believe that SP has priced SW residential units too high to fund their expensive :

1. Zero Interest undercon program
2. Marketing expenses
3. Retail units 

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng).
Dear Pai,

I have told u that let's discuss the generality first b4 we go 1 step further on SW specifically. How do we go a step further when you cant even answer the general questions about Puchong?

And it shows that u cant read, If you are a little bit more prudent and diligent, you will notice i was "promoting" (in your words) IOI also (in bandar puteri puchong), so?

And would u offer explanation for your comments on Heron, or you refrain yourself from doing so bc you have vested interest in Zest? hmm.gif

Pai, it is your complacent and reluctance, together with your cold war syndrome that stop you from growing.

And Lets see if you can actually answer the 15 basic questions, or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is laughing off the Heronian's complain AND giving wrong advice as you gave in Zest whistling.gif

Thanks and wish you good career progress, provided you can start to read and learn.

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hi all,
ive read through the forum and still confused...great feedbacks though. Ive missed out the earlier phase of SW and now thinking of the next phase...to be around Rm300k for the 854 sft. Do you think its still feasible to buy?
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QUOTE(rachel23 @ Sep 20 2009, 06:22 PM)
hi all,
ive read through the forum and still confused...great feedbacks though. Ive missed out the earlier phase of SW and now thinking of the next phase...to be around Rm300k for the 854 sft. Do you think its still feasible to buy?
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You go to a good hotel eat 1 Char Keow Theo is RM20++. If u see a flies in your food, the hotel manager will quickly replace 1, give u desert, ALL FREE.

If you sue the hotel, they have money to pay...

You go to MAMAK, same food, RM3nett, see a flies, the fella ask u "apa masalah"?

You want to sue him? u dont even know who to sue...

You can call this superstition, I am superstitious, HAHAHA
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
Confirm that Pai will only see what he wants to see, hear only what he wants to hears.

Given him all the self explanatory Q also he is going no way. In fact if he attempt the 15Qs, he will be so closed to the core, but he failed. Pai, you have to start from the basic to be good.

Simply cut and Paste some articles from those real estate book wont take u far...

Start from the basic Pai, be humble enough to learn, atleast finish the 15 Qs and we can start to have intellectual discussion.

Whether i'm misleading???Let's time to prove.

Atleast we have proven Pai was misleading and continue to mislead... rclxm9.gif

Baseless claim?

1. In mArch 09, Pai asked everyone not to buy Zest, asking them to "trust" him that zest cannot sell at least 1 year. This is confirmed misleading.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900

2. Then he suddenly buy one in Sep, 1 of the very last unit,letting all his "followers" behind.... rclxub.gif

3. When those Heron's owners were crying all the defects, he claimed that these people were funny, he claimed thatit was a 100++ aprtment and what can they expect? sweat.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420


4. OMG, Pai claimed Puchong no bissnessman????? Amazingly misleading

Sure Pai, what can the Heron's owner expect? Because that is not your house. brows.gif

Pai is also proven to be a spoon fed and lact of common sense, for example, do i need to elaborate on "If Puchong Slump, SW will also Slump"?

You are a good joker.

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Adinda Zavier,
I am sorry for putting up all the entry level questions. I thought it is for the benefit of Pai, so that he could understand bit by bit. Pai failed me...

I do hope for a better one.

I give up already, if you read how Pai commented on the complain of Heron's owners, u will know why i said he is seriously lacking of common sense, as all the cracks and popping floor appears to be funny for Him.

And he asked Heronian what can they expect with a100++ aprtment? Surely a men with common sense will not accept popping floor even in a DBKL flat...

Thanks
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All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).




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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 20 2009, 08:15 PM)
All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).
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Now Pai is vey busy, can only cut and Paste. HAHAHA, busy with Heron & Zest

Well done Pai for amusing us. Sincere thanks


Added on September 20, 2009, 8:25 pmAdinda Zavier,

Game Over, Pai is done

see you again.

But u can see how he "justify" and defend Zest's Dev in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+520

Thanks

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QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 20 2009, 10:57 AM)
1. it is not the quality i m worried .. it is the developer ignorance to tackle the issue ...  
I tot' they already engage a consultant to see how to best tackle the problem with the existing owners DESPITE they r not obligated to do so as they DLP is over?


QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 20 2009, 10:57 AM)
2. It is cheap because it is compared against sw etc .. bt tht provided developer can deliver at least 80% .. if like heron, do u still think it is a steal ? 
Well, honestly dont think we'll get HERON's quality as we paid almost double price psf vis a vis. But if Zest does end up like HERON, then its a learning for me.......thats all.

Let me remind everyone here while Zest is TT's 2nd high rise project, SW is the first highrise project for SP in KV. SP has zero track record as far as mix development is concerned. There no guarantee that SW will be problem free and the quality will be better than Heron's or Zest's. hmm.gif

QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 20 2009, 10:57 AM)
They dun put in contract ..   this i shud say FAITH .. do u have faith in ur developer ?   and by merely comparing other shoplots with sw is not fair .. u know sw is unique with the waterway and entertainment centre .. and most importantly, sps is vested in sw .. just like ioi mall n pfcc and boulevard, they lease out to ensure good tenant mix .. a good strategy to upgrade the place .. yea i agree "one needs to decide whether what the developer sells u is worth paying for" but dun minus all promises la .. in fact, i m amazed sps didnt sell the lrt point .. now i dun have minus but plus ..   
Any savvy investor will have little or zero faith in developer's promises. We buy when we see value, not based on developer's sweet-talk and nice marketing strategy. Again, SPS has zero track record in building and managing a mix development.

Read thru the Zest thread as there have been many occasions myslef and other foumers warned prospects to only buy Zest if they think its a good buy even without LRT, ramp, Korean-enbloc etc. In this thread, only Cannot Tahan has so far been quite honest with his assesment on SW.

QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 20 2009, 10:57 AM)
as a conclusion i think the word "developer" is the answer to most queries .. i m amazed with how sps handle the issue ... n now i can say i have faith in them .. selling fast just dun give me the faith ..
IMO, cannot sell dont give me faith at all.....

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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 08:22 PM)
Now Pai is vey busy, can only cut and Paste. HAHAHA, busy with Heron & Zest

Well done Pai for amusing us. Sincere thanks


Added on September 20, 2009, 8:25 pmAdinda Zavier,

Game Over, Pai is done

see you again.

But u can see how he "justify" and defend Zest's Dev in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+520

Thanks
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All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

wink.gif

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Pai is caught in telling lie again, refer to the below which u can find in http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...520&p=28759963&

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Pai Said,
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[cool.gif[b]QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 20 2009, 09:07 PM)
same, just saw the video yesterday hence I retract my statement on the Heron's issues. Last I commented on Heron i only saw negative comments on the maintenance and tenant issues.

I feel sorry for HERON owners and i hope TT will quickly solve this serious issues for the benefit of everyone.
[/B][/B]
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[b]Which I replied


Oh Pai, can u stop lying?

Do u need me to remind what you have said...

YOU SAID:---------------------------------------------

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I wonder why ppl complaint so much when Heron is property they bought for 100k++ only. Were they expecting Sunrise level of workmanship?
Keep on saying workmanship is bad but never highlight the details.....dem funny

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420
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You were refering to "workmanship"; And now u try to twist and turn, limiting your statement to "maintenance" & "Tenant" issue?

Well, are u a bad liar or suffering from lapse of Memory?

MG, Pai, do u have to defend the Dev all the way just bc u r vested in Zest!!!


PS: Anyway, u r my good boy, always follow what i ask u to do, Keep it up
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I think we shall not give a serious look to his posts anymore as his credibility is totally gone, Until he confess and change, then we shall give him a chance.

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After glancing through all the comments and subject them to maximum evaluation, I will grab another one, going for the smallest unit.

Decision is reached by taking into consideration of Puchong as a whole, predicted market outlook in 2012, direct & indirect effect from expanding economy in Puchong, Goodwill of Dev, LRT, prices of Landed in BPP, collective effort by IOI, SPS & YTL...

Wish me luck, HAHAHA

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hi...everbody, actually those famous developer also got a lot of defect, just like my sister buy a 2 million bangalow with SPS, now the living hall's ceiling got water leak out, after few times of repair thier contractor still cant slove the problem even though their action very prompt.

Currently i stay in bandar puteri but i feel that my floor tile at whole living hall not proper fill with cement. cos everytime i knock the floor tile the sound very empty not solid at all.

i still remember few years ago when IOI launch the project (sorry cant remember the project name), 1st day i visit, there are few protester from bandar puteri klang ask me dont buy IOI's property. cos their property at bandar puteri klang facing big problem. (land settlement, waste water flow back from drain, sewerage pipe crack, after flush the toilet, the water will over flow) and the IOI totally cant slove the problem.

thats y i dont think famous developer their qulity 100% good. this is my personally experience. no offend.

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QUOTE(Alan Soo @ Sep 21 2009, 12:30 AM)
hi...everbody, actually those famous developer also got a lot of defect, just like my sister buy a 2 million bangalow with SPS, now the living hall's ceiling got water leak out, after few times of repair thier contractor still cant slove the problem even though their action very prompt.

Currently i stay in bandar puteri but i feel that my floor tile at whole living hall not proper fill with cement. cos everytime i knock the floor tile the sound very empty not solid at all.

i still remember few years ago when IOI launch the project (sorry cant remember the project name), 1st day i visit, there are few protester from bandar puteri klang ask me dont buy IOI's property. cos their property at bandar puteri klang facing big problem. (land settlement, waste water flow back from drain, sewerage pipe crack, after flush the toilet, the water will over flow) and the IOI totally can slove the problem.

thats y i dont think famous developer their qulity 100% good. this is my personally experience. no offend.
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Thank youn Alan.

Not offended at all at what you said is very true.

No property will ever come to 100% satisfaction. Quality is just a yardstick when comes to comparison. And also the dev's attitude in dealing with it.

But of course the recent revealation of Heron is horrifying.

Good night.
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 20 2009, 09:02 PM)
I tot' they already engage a consultant to see how to best tackle the problem with the existing owners DESPITE they r not obligated to do so as they DLP is over?
if u r comfortable with the way the developer deal with it, then it is alrite for u ..  notworthy.gif

Well, honestly dont think we'll get HERON's quality as we paid almost double price psf vis a vis. But if Zest does end up like HERON, then its a learning for me.......thats all. 
Pai ar Pai ... how can u say like that .. if like this, i pay sw 30% more expensive, then the quality shud be better than zest lor ..  doh.gif Well, honestly, do u know what u r paying ...

Let me remind everyone here while Zest is TT's 2nd high rise project, SW is the first highrise project for SP in KV. SP has zero track record as far as mix development is concerned. There no guarantee that SW will be problem free and the quality will be better than Heron's or Zest's.  hmm.gif
again i m not refering to quality ... but the developer way of doing .. but nvm since u got no prob with it ..  cool2.gif


Any savvy investor will have little or zero faith in developer's promises. We buy when we see value, not based on developer's sweet-talk and nice marketing strategy. Again, SPS has zero track record in building and managing a mix development.
Read thru the Zest thread as there have been many occasions myslef and other foumers warned prospects to only buy Zest if they think its a good buy even without LRT, ramp, Korean-enbloc etc. In this thread, only Cannot Tahan has so far been quite honest with his assesment on SW. 
u dun find me rational anymore ?  brows.gif now maybe u would think noone rational/honest cos Cannot Tahan said he will buy another one wor ..  icon_idea.gif Any savvy investor will choose a good developer ..


IMO, cannot sell dont give me faith at all.....
u think sw cannot sell ? ok .. so why ? is it because it is overprice ? fine .. u think zest sell fast rite .. it is good of cos .. now think again .. why zest selling fast ?



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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Sep 20 2009, 12:16 PM)
Hrm to be fair -  I think one makes decision based on the market situation, and the future.

Back in March, the economy was looking gloomy indeed. LRT plans were also fishy, it would seem the federal government was all out against any non-BN state projects.
So indeed, Pai's analysis is correct during that time.

3 months later, we made some sort of a V-shaped recovery, along with all the stimulus and ever low interest rates. LRT plans suddenly goes ahead.
These were all quite unexpected, and it had nothing to do with the developer, but rather purely a change in consumer behaviour, confidence and risk taking.
This was surely bound to happen, but maybe no one expected it to be so quickly.

So, the data now is quite different compared to the past. It will also, requires change the valuation and decisions one make.
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Thanks Kenny for xplaining this to our Xui Cheng. She conveniently "forgotten" the date I put my suggestion in her cheap allegations. I suspect her english comprehension is on the low side coz she has problem understanding questions and answering them.

Btw, think SW was priced at close to 60% premium over Zest if we count psf. Zest staring price in its 1st phase was at RM200psf +- while SW cheapest unit was already above RM300psf smile.gif


Added on September 21, 2009, 3:18 amSome correction on some allegations towards me by a liar :

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
1. In mArch 09, Pai asked everyone not to buy Zest, asking them to "trust" him that zest cannot sell at least 1 year. This is confirmed misleading.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/952900
I didnt ask ppl not to buy, but I asked them to wait for more freebies. U do understand basic english right? ...... smile.gif

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.


QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
2. Then he suddenly buy one in Sep, 1 of the very last unit,letting all his "followers" behind.... rclxub.gif
Im the eighth of the many buyers in LYF that bought Zest( think there was more than 100 as per Eugene's list) when I saw signs of economic recovery. I declared my purchase here to everyone in the thread latest May/June.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
3. When those Heron's owners were crying all the defects, he claimed that these people were funny, he claimed thatit was a 100++ aprtment and what can they expect? sweat.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420[/b]
Didnt saw the cracks and tiles defects complaints until yesterday someone posted the link. Most of the complaints that I read in Heron was due to tenancy issues and management office behaviour, not structural defects, and my comments were made without knowing that there's potentially a structural defect issue....

Ignorance is bliss...... wink.gif

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
4. OMG, Pai claimed Puchong no bissnessman????? Amazingly misleading
Pls point out where exactly I made such statements, girl. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
Pai is also proven to be a spoon fed and lact of common sense, for example, do i need to elaborate on "If Puchong Slump, SW will also Slump"?
I believe Puchong will thrive with or without SW. U on the other hand seem to think SW is the center of universe, by making claims that SW will be 1st to benefit, SW is gonna be landmark etc. Making claims wihout justification to con others is blatantly misleading.



QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM)
You are a good joker.
I have a policy of not making fun of ppl who acts like retards. So Im not gonna make fun of you. Anyway I think your false allegations will show the world your depth and what u really r.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.


Added on September 21, 2009, 3:32 am
QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 21 2009, 02:20 AM)
1. Pai ar Pai ... how can u say like that .. if like this, i pay sw 30% more expensive, then the quality shud be better than zest lor ..   Well, honestly, do u know what u r paying ...

2. u dun find me rational anymore ?   now maybe u would think noone rational/honest cos Cannot Tahan said he will buy another one wor ..   Any savvy investor will choose a good developer ..



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1. Correction - U r paying a least 50% more, right?. Pls compare the spec between what u'll get in SW VS what Zest offers, then tell us if its any better.

2. Cannot Tahan appears to be a long time investor with some experience in investing in Puchong. So I trust that he will have a game-plan, holding power and experience to ensure that he doesnt loose any $$$ later.

Im didnt say u r irrational, but do u have a gameplan, holding power and experience to sustain your unit if what SW did not turn out wonderfully as what the brochures sells you? Do you know what is the rental and seeling prices for condo's nearby?


Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 am
QUOTE(Alan Soo @ Sep 21 2009, 12:30 AM)
hi...everbody, actually those famous developer also got a lot of defect, just like my sister buy a 2 million bangalow with SPS, now the living hall's ceiling got water leak out, after few times of repair thier contractor still cant slove the problem even though their action very prompt.

Currently i stay in bandar puteri but i feel that my floor tile at whole living hall not proper fill with cement. cos everytime i knock the floor tile the sound very empty not solid at all.

i still remember few years ago when IOI launch the project (sorry cant remember the project name), 1st day i visit, there are few protester from bandar puteri klang ask me dont buy IOI's property. cos their property at bandar puteri klang facing big problem. (land settlement, waste water flow back from drain, sewerage pipe crack, after flush the toilet, the water will over flow) and the IOI totally cant slove the problem.

thats y i dont think famous developer their qulity 100% good. this is my personally experience. no offend.
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Hi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 21 2009, 03:35 AM
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Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 21 2009, 02:53 AM)
Thanks Kenny for xplaining this to our Xui Cheng. She conveniently "forgotten" the date I put my suggestion in her cheap allegations. I suspect her english comprehension is on the low side coz she has problem understanding questions and answering them.

Btw, think SW was priced at close to 60% premium over Zest if we count psf. Zest staring price in its 1st phase was at RM200psf +- while SW cheapest unit was already above RM300psf smile.gif

1. Correction - U r paying a least 50% more, right?. Pls compare the spec between what u'll get in SW VS what Zest offers, then tell us if its any better.

Pai Oh Pai, i tot u are pioneer but y ur thinking so amateur .. what have u compared ? tiles, facilities, show units ? arent all this based on the faith of developer to deliver what as promised in show unit or in model (fr zest case) ... what written in the s&p doesnt mean u get a better spec .. u think having porcelain tiles meaning more expensive than ceramic ? i hope u dun .. i aint from construction but i have common sense .. u think comparing house spec is similar like u compare computer spec .. haha .. facilities, there are plenty of condos with great facilities .. the question is maintainability .. mind u tht heron buyers were also thinking they r getting a high class condo with great facilities when they first bought it .. of cos u can say what they expect with 100++k apartment .. so is ur 200k apartment, dude ..

2. Cannot Tahan appears to be a long time investor with some experience in investing in Puchong. So I trust that he will have a game-plan, holding power and experience to ensure that he doesnt loose any $$$ later.

Im didnt say u r irrational, but do u have a gameplan, holding power and experience to sustain your unit if what SW did not turn out wonderfully as what the brochures sells you? Do you know what is the rental and seeling prices for condo's nearby?

hmm .. looks like i dun knw anything but u know everything .. fine then ... just to remind u .. investment is about risk as well .. u think zest risk is more justified than sw ? what happen if sw didnt turn out tht way .. how much do u think ppl will pay for it then ... how much will i lose ... now ur part .. what if zest is like heron ...  rclxub.gif

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Added on September 21, 2009, 12:51 pm
QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 21 2009, 11:45 AM)
Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI
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yea i wonder why Paineer also like tht .. calling ppl retard doesnt make him any better .. shakehead.gif
now i think i m better than him .. haha icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 21 2009, 11:59 AM)

Added on September 21, 2009, 12:51 pm

yea i wonder why Paineer also like tht .. calling ppl retard doesnt make him any better ..  shakehead.gif
now i think i m better than him .. haha  icon_rolleyes.gif
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You are, definetely.

Do u mind to say....WE are rclxms.gif
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I place most weightage on potential in investment, rather than the current surrounding circumstances.

Potential refers to future, taking into account the rapidly-changing surrounding circumstances
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According to section 91 & 92 of the Evidence Act, all promises prior to the final agreement in writing, are not enforceable nor binding, should the promises were not reduced in to the final Agreement.

Consequently, All representations contained in the brochure but not in the SPA, is not binding. It solely hinge on the goodwill of the Parties.


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So Cannot Tahan

Just say developer X promises in his marketing brochure that they will develop L-Style mall , Central park , Natural surrounding , etc etc and If it is NOT mention in the SPA
Can the buyer fill for a claim in the court of law if the developer central park is just a playground with some tree on it , the lifestyle mall is just some shop lots and etc

Just want some clarification on this matter
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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 am
Hi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?
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defect liability period over already. end up appoint own contract to repair
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Sep 21 2009, 03:15 PM)
So Cannot Tahan

Just say developer X promises in his marketing brochure that they will develop L-Style mall , Central park , Natural surrounding  , etc etc and If it is NOT mention in the SPA
Can the buyer fill for a claim in the court of law if the developer central park is just a playground with some tree on it , the lifestyle mall is just some shop lots and etc

Just want some clarification on this matter
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You are clever.

The reason i like law is the general rule always come with exception.

In that case, u will need to prove a collateral Agreement, which is stand alone from the SPA. It comes with extremely high threshold.

That is why, boy, u can see the banks will put the Letter of Offer in the facilities Agreement, and a clause in the FA stipulating that the LOF forms part of the FA.

A dev will never attach the marketing brochure in the SPA.
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Outstanding reply Cannot Tahan. Are you a lawyer?

So in short without the C.A , the buyer wont be able to sue in court of law?
Guess we shouln't take the dev word at face value
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Outstanding reply Cannot Tahan. Are you a lawyer?

So in short without the C.A , the buyer wont be able to sue in court of law?
Guess we shouln't  take the dev word at face value
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HAHAHAHA,

Guess..........

As time goes by, a passionate men like me acquired a lot of skills...................

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You are, definetely.

Do u mind to say....WE are rclxms.gif
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i tot u alr are .. thumbup.gif


Added on September 21, 2009, 11:27 pmok conclusion time ... i like to make a summary after a heated discussion .. rclxms.gif

be it sw or zest, purchasers have made decision based on their own analysis ... in this case, xuicheng has pointed out her reasoning for the arguement .. if it is not acceptable by Pai, then be it .. she is here to share her view ... there is no right or wrong answer ... Pai should not judge her answer and keep demanding for a better ones..

by comparing sw and zest is not to belittle whichever but would like to show there is alw two sides of coin .. finally ppl are buying due to what they believe in .. there is no need to be hard on the others ..

for sw, ppl will say overprice, low spec, etc etc .. firstly it depends on what u r paying for, then it all depends on the developer to deliver .. now let us hope zest developer learnt from their mistake and make it a better one in zest .. it doesnt make me any better if something bad happen to zest .. i hope zest owner have the same view on sw ..

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Cannot Tahan rarely got it wrong...

1) ppl behid the link? OMG, so u r trying to say you know all ppl behind that link and this link? True or not...U think u are CEO of MCMC ar? Can know all the people one...Bla Bla Bla, True or not????

2)Accusation? please pin point lah, dun learn like our dear friend, need to got some basis, isn't it? Like that no good lah...

3) I never denied that i am not arrogance, but i reserve ignorance and naive for u..And u are contradicting mah!!! you say you know the ppl behind that link, like u know they are jahat one, but still want to read, AIYOYO, want to do business no need like that one mah!!!

4) How long in property? HAHA, a amature question, The point is not when u start, but when you finish..right? And somemore ar, not wise lah to ask like that, she can say 5y 10y 100y...So what, can u verify or not???? Ask a question like not asking question at all...AIYOYO..If u ask ur client how many years they want to borrow ok lah..How many year in property asked in Internet woh, aiyo.

and you find my post provoking? LOL

you 2 must be a couple or something. i sure hope its a split-personality scenario here...  smile.gif
1) i'm not saying i know ALL the ppl behind the link, but do i need to declare to the world if i know them? smile.gif

2) i can see where this is going, and feel that there isn't any need for me to pin-point anything further. this "debate" is getting pointless already.

3) save the ignorance and naive for u own. i didn't make any claims that they are jahat whatsoever, but on the other hand you made that assumption. (quote me if i did)

4) cool.gif

to pass me a mirror so i can hold it for you to look at yourself?

enjoy the rest of the game guys... it was fun reading all the posts here.

now lets meet up for a drink. tongue.gif

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1) i'm not saying i know ALL the ppl behind the link, but do i need to declare to the world if i know them?  smile.gif
U think u so "ging" meh...Aiyoyo, than Pai will agree with me that u said something unsubstantiated... you are not in SB or MCMC right? HAHAHA, Don u realise PAi is also a forumer in that link?
Walau...Just in case ur knowledge does not warrant u to know what SB is...It is Special Branch...HAHAHA


2) i can see where this is going, and feel that there isn't any need for me to pin-point anything further. this "debate" is getting pointless already.
Than why did you come back, Walaueh...HAHAHA, happy to see some people contracdicting ownself...HEHEHE.
But of course mah, people with limited wisdom can never see the points one...HAHAHA


3) save the ignorance and naive for u own. i didn't make any claims that they are jahat whatsoever, but on the other hand you made that assumption. (quote me if i did)
Than why did u make that kind of statement? Aiyoyoy, u know what u r talking?

4)   cool.gif

to pass me a mirror so i can hold it for you to look at yourself?
Walaueh, u want to see me changing my apparel meh? So ham sap

enjoy the rest of the game guys... it was fun reading all the posts here
Thank you.

now lets meet up for a drink.  tongue.gif
Will call u for free gift, HEHEHE
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Next time ar, give more prompt action lah, so cold already still want to goreng, HAHAHA

Is OCBC a panel for SW?

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Next time ar, give more prompt action lah, so cold already still want to goreng, HAHAHA

Is OCBC a panel for SW?
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no time to entertain all of your post. tight schedule. smile.gif

SW is in OCBC EF listing, but as far as i know only for residential unit. Not sure about the commercial units.

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U think u so "ging" meh...Aiyoyo, than Pai will agree with me that u said something unsubstantiated... you are not in SB or MCMC right? HAHAHA, Don u realise PAi is also a forumer in that link?
Walau...Just in case ur knowledge does not warrant u to know what SB is...It is Special Branch...HAHAHA


do i need to be concern about this? smile.gif

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to pass me a mirror so i can hold it for you to look at yourself?
Walaueh, u want to see me changing my apparel meh? So ham sap


i rest my case.


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Will call u for free gift, HEHEHE


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no time to entertain all of your post. tight schedule.  smile.gif
Aiyoyo, then why you still entertain now HAHAHA, or u dun have lap top & broadband, HEHEHE

SW is in OCBC EF listing, but as far as i know only for residential unit. Not sure about the commercial units.
do i need to be concern about this?  smile.gif
Not professional lah...Aiyo

i rest my case.
You better rest lah, rather than just pointing out other people's posts, but your contents got nothing to do with the topic...AIYO

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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 21 2009, 11:45 AM)
Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI
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I never said u were THE retard, right? Why behave like one? tongue.gif



I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).


Added on September 22, 2009, 4:52 pm
QUOTE(zavier98 @ Sep 21 2009, 11:59 AM)
1. Pai Oh Pai, i tot u are pioneer but y ur thinking so amateur .. what have u compared ? tiles, facilities, show units ? arent all this based on the faith of developer to deliver what as promised in show unit or in model (fr zest case) ... what written in the s&p doesnt mean u get a better spec .. u think having porcelain tiles meaning more expensive than ceramic ? i hope u dun .. i aint from construction but i have common sense .. u think comparing house spec is similar like u compare computer spec .. haha .. facilities, there are plenty of condos with great facilities .. the question is maintainability .. mind u tht heron buyers were also thinking they r getting a high class condo with great facilities when they first bought it .. of cos u can say what they expect with 100++k apartment .. so is ur 200k apartment, dude ..

2. hmm .. looks like i dun knw anything but u know everything .. fine then ... just to remind u .. investment is about risk as well .. u think zest risk is more justified than sw ? what happen if sw didnt turn out tht way .. how much do u think ppl will pay for it then ... how much will i lose ... now ur part .. what if zest is like heron ...

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1. Your answer is the reason which is I know u r a rookie compared to Cannot Tahan. SW is most like your 1st purchase OR 1st highrise purchase. Cannot Tahan post answered your question, let me quote him :

According to section 91 & 92 of the Evidence Act, all promises prior to the final agreement in writing, are not enforceable nor binding, should the promises were not reduced in to the final Agreement.

Consequently, All representations contained in the brochure but not in the SPA, is not binding. It solely hinge on the goodwill of the Parties.


2. SPS is a newbie high rise and mix development developer, so there a good chance what happened in Heron could occur is SW as well, especilly when owners dont check for hollow tiles upon VP. Thinking otherwise is just plain naive...... tongue.gif


Added on September 22, 2009, 5:44 pm
QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 21 2009, 07:48 PM)
You are clever.

The reason i like law is the general rule always come with exception.

In that case, u will need to prove a collateral Agreement, which is stand alone from the SPA. It comes with extremely high threshold.

That is why, boy, u can see the banks will put the Letter of Offer in the facilities Agreement, and a clause in the FA stipulating that the LOF forms part of the FA.

A dev will never attach the marketing brochure in the SPA.
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Learnt something new here. smile.gif

So I assume that SW does have collateral agreement with regards of the mall attached with the SPA?


Added on September 22, 2009, 5:55 pm
QUOTE(Alan Soo @ Sep 21 2009, 06:31 PM)

Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 am
Hi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

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Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?
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defect liability period over already. end up appoint own contract to repair
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I felt sorry for your sister's case who bought the 2mil bungalow from SPS, again your case made it clear that no developer is perfect especially when they had no obligations to do so. Guess this is a reality check for all of us, especially to those who think just bcoz the developer is reputable, it means their purchase will be absolute hassle-free.

Personally, think the system is flawed as homebuyers are not protected at all once DLP is over. There should be a maximum damage threshold that entitles buyers to claim for damages from developer once DLP is over. That would be fair and push developers to deliver a less problematic product upon VP.

Btw, how much did your sis ended up paying to the new contractor to fix the problem for good?

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I never said u were THE retard, right? Why behave like one? tongue.gif

I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?
Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).
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My sincere answer to you, with all the best wishes...


Pai, self confidence is good for your career progress, too much of it makes u self inflated and cant learn from the basic (self imposed blindfolding).

Like Zavier said, i have explained.

If you want me to explain more, at least u should read the basic 1st. Without doing that, how do i expect you to understand the more intellectual one?

So Pai, sit down and read, understand and learn.

If you are too busy to do the 15 Qs & As which were tailored made to your intelligence, at least u can answer me ...DID I PROVE THAT U MADE 2 BLUNDERS? 1st you affirmatively told everyone that ZEST needs at least 1 year to sell off, 2ndly, you described Heronian's complaints funny? The result simply showed the otherwise despite u can always give 101 reasons...

Answer me, b4 you demand more...PAi. If you dont know about things u can see, what do u know about things u cannot see?

Face the truth, and the truth will not far from u.

As pointed out by Zavier, calling people retard simply didnt make u any better, if you ever were...

Good luck PAI wink.gif

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Pai, sorry that i have to say this...

I have a lot of confidence in SPS, coz they never failed me.

See ya.
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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 22 2009, 08:07 PM)
Pai, sorry that i have to say this...

I have a lot of confidence in SPS, coz they never failed me.

See ya.
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Mr Cannot tahan,

Your confidence do enhance my confidence. Thank you.

Btw, since Zavier had make a conclusion, we should only revisit should there be any more intellectual Qs.

Like Mr Cannot Tahan always said, U have to ask a right Q to get a right A.

Not knowing ur Q simply bring u to no way.

Thank you to Mr. Cannot Tahan, Zavier, Merce, Alan....And last but not least, Paineer who demonstrated some sort of skills to us.

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Pai, dun be personal...

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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 22 2009, 08:07 PM)
Pai, sorry that i have to say this...

I have a lot of confidence in SPS, coz they never failed me.

See ya.
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I bet u did, explains why u bought SW smile.gif


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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 22 2009, 08:03 PM)
My sincere answer to you, with all the best wishes...
Pai, self confidence is good for your career progress, too much of it makes u self inflated and cant learn from the basic (self imposed blindfolding).

Like Zavier said, i have explained.

If you want me to explain more, at least u should read the basic 1st. Without doing that, how do i expect you to understand the more intellectual one?

So Pai, sit down and read, understand and learn.

If you are too busy to do the 15 Qs & As which were tailored made to your intelligence, at least u can answer me ...DID I PROVE THAT U MADE 2 BLUNDERS? 1st you affirmatively told everyone that ZEST needs at least 1 year to sell off, 2ndly, you described Heronian's complaints funny? The result simply showed the otherwise despite u can always give 101 reasons...

Answer me, b4 you demand more...PAi. If you dont know about things u can see, what do u know about things u cannot see?

Face the truth, and the truth will not far from u.

As pointed out by Zavier, calling people retard simply didnt make u any better, if you ever were...

Good luck PAI wink.gif
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Still avoiding the question? Everyone, pls look below for all the questionable claims made by Xui Cheng in her quest to sell SW to you all :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).


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I bet u did, explains why u bought SW  smile.gif


Added on September 23, 2009, 12:47 am
Still avoiding the question? Everyone, pls look below for all the questionable claims made by Xui Cheng in her quest to sell SW to you all :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?
Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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Move on Pai,

Accusing people as liar & retard wont bring u to success.

I understand you are struggling to save your credibility here, after your blunders were pointed out, as a Paineer

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D? (since u claimed that businessman will stay in bangalow & semD)

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 23 2009, 01:03 AM)
Move on Pai,

Accusing people as liar & retard wont bring u to success.

I understand you are struggling to save your credibility here, after your blunders were pointed out, as a Paineer

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D? (since u claimed that businessman will stay in bangalow & semD)

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

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Same Xui Cheng ah? Baby cute leh...

http://www.facebook.com/people/Xui-Cheng-C...6213?flyingspaghettimonster=search



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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 23 2009, 01:03 AM)
Move on Pai,


I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.
I dont make false claims like Xui Cheng TO MISS-SELL SW so answering you is rather...........pointless. Even Zavier and Cannot Tahan who is vested in SW never made such claims, so credit to them for not being overboard and being fair enuff in our previous discussions.

FYI here r some questions that I asked u 1st, I'll answer your question when u answer mine (altho I doubt u have the capacity to do so) :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).


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QUOTE(propcritic @ Sep 23 2009, 01:16 AM)
Same Xui Cheng ah?  Baby cute leh...


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Haha, the baby is really cute. She is pretty as well.

Mind u, even Mr CAnnot Tahan did a same mistake at realestate link by putting a wrong facebook as well, he apologised after the "actual" person sounded him.

hehehe.


Added on September 23, 2009, 7:57 am
QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 23 2009, 01:24 AM)
I dont make false claims like Xui Cheng TO MISS-SELL SW so answering you is rather...........pointless. Even Zavier and Cannot Tahan who is vested in SW never made such claims, so credit to them for not being overboard and being fair enuff in our previous discussions.

FYI here r some questions that I asked u 1st, I'll answer your question when u answer mine (altho I doubt u have the capacity to do so) :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?
Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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Move on Pai,

Accusing people as liar & retard wont bring u to success.

I understand you are struggling to save your credibility here, after your blunders were pointed out, as a Paineer

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D? (since u claimed that businessman will stay in bangalow & semD)

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

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QUOTE(propcritic @ Sep 23 2009, 01:16 AM)
Same Xui Cheng ah?  Baby cute leh...

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Why everyone quoting me, AIYOYOY...

Propcritic, you may have just invited a problem...

As pointed out by Xui Cheng, i did the same thing last time, not once, twice.

The 1st one in realestate link, the real named person sounded to the webmaster and the whole link got deleted...

The 2nd one was rather a mishap...HEHEHE, so malu nak bagi tahu.. I did it again in 1 blog, that fella complained to MCMC, the Commission went all the way to trace my location and send me a warning letter...as claimed, it amounts to breach of privacy under the Cyber law.

S**t, twice also i got it wrong...

And this is not funny, I checked the law after that 2nd one with a learned brother at law, i was advised that by doing so, I am subject to legal suit from the real named person, regardless he is or he is not, as any registered user of Facebook only assigned his right to Facebook, and bo more...

And dun ever think that he/she cant get u, coz MCMC has all the avenue to trace your location. In fact, any things sent from your laptop will leave a fingerprint...HAHAHA, scary leh....

This is why i said when time goes by, i acquired a lot of skills...Walanehhhhh

HAHAHA, most of those who can understand me know that i am not bullshiting, though i like to offend people.

And my sincere advice to you, you better retract that before it is too late. OK lah, i'm telling from my experience lah, Your liberty mah!!!

A normal man learns from his mistake, a smart man learns from other's mistake...

A smartest man like me, will tell other to learn from other's mistake.

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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 23 2009, 08:14 AM)
Why everyone quoting me, AIYOYOY...

Propcritic, you may have just invited a problem...

As pointed out by Xui Cheng, i did the same thing last time, not once, twice.

The 1st one in realestate link, the real named person sounded to the webmaster and the whole link got deleted...

The 2nd one was rather a mishap...HEHEHE, so malu nak bagi tahu.. I did it again in 1 blog, that fella complained to MCMC, the Commission went all the way to trace my location and send me a warning letter...as claimed, it amounts to breach of privacy under the Cyber law.

S**t, twice also i got it wrong...

And this is not funny, I checked the law after that 2nd one with a learned brother at law, i was advised that by doing so, I am subject to legal suit from the real named person, regardless he is or he is not, as any registered user of Facebook only assigned his right to Facebook, and bo more...

And dun ever think that he/she cant get u, coz MCMC has all the avenue to trace your location. In fact, any things sent from your laptop will leave a fingerprint...HAHAHA, scary leh....

This is why i said when time goes by, i acquired a lot of skills...Walanehhhhh

HAHAHA, most of those who can understand me know that i am not bullshiting, though i like to offend people.

And my sincere advice to you, you better retract that before it is too late. OK lah, i'm telling from my experience lah, Your liberty mah!!!

A normal man learns from his mistake, a smart man learns from other's mistake...

A smartest man like me, will tell other to learn from other's mistake.
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Pai, can you guys just move on and have constructive discussion on SW? Many of the readers are here to seek (or provide constructive) views rather than seeing you guys bashing each other, for the repeating questions over the last few pages.

Peace.


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QUOTE(T816B @ Sep 23 2009, 11:57 AM)
Pai, can you guys just move on and have constructive discussion on SW? Many of the readers are here to seek (or provide constructive) views rather than seeing you guys bashing each other, for the repeating questions over the last few pages.

Peace.
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Noted, will no comment on the sales girl again unless I see a misleading post again.


Added on September 23, 2009, 12:48 pmbtw Cannot Tahan chief,

Did you buy studio's for your 1st SW unit and r u planning to get th same for your 2nd unit? smile.gif

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QUOTE(T816B @ Sep 23 2009, 11:57 AM)
Pai, can you guys just move on and have constructive discussion on SW? Many of the readers are here to seek (or provide constructive) views rather than seeing you guys bashing each other, for the repeating questions over the last few pages.

Peace.
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Absolutely. Most of us are here to share.

Recommend you to see a recent comment made by ericwk70 at http://realestate.net.my/forum/viewtopic.p...=asc&start=1025

Quite informative.


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Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI
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Ms Chuah,

1. I'm vested in the Zest.
2. But we're interested in SW seeing its superb location and overall concept. And please bear in mind that Zest buyers do not necessarily end up being your competitor. We are all Puchong home owners. Some of us are actually interested in more than 1 project in Puchong. (Unless you underestimated the buying power of those piggie-pretenders here.)
3. My cousin is vested in SW, so we're all praying hard that SW will be a great success (same for Zest).
4. As a potential buyer of SW, it's very uncomfortable to see all these "finger-pointing" and "name-calling". You may be just a great supporter of SW or worse, you may be a sales exec from Setia. I don't know. Or maybe you're some other projects' sales exec trying to bring down SW?

Anyway, all I wanna say is - I don't think this is working if you're trying to "bring up" SW. I think you're doing something opposite now. SW already has its own selling points, which are obvious advantages over Zest (except the price). Most of us are well aware of that. There are people who are willing to pay a premium for the concept and location. There are people who prefer something more affordable. We can only compare the projects to our personal benchmark system and share our PERSONAL views, but its up to the reader's discretion to accept our views or not.
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 23 2009, 12:47 PM)
Noted, will no comment on the sales girl again unless I see a misleading post again.


Added on September 23, 2009, 12:48 pmbtw Cannot Tahan chief,

Did you buy studio's for your 1st SW unit and r u planning to get th same for your 2nd unit? smile.gif
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Pai chief,
I have been long enough foruming with xui cheng, she is definitely not a sales girl. She had footprints on other Developers as well, in which she also "promoted".
On the contrary, i have not seen her rubbished any project, except some slight adverse comment on Zen.
And i dont think she is misleading, coz it is just different interpratation of facts.

Hope you can understand where i am coming from.

In fact, i always wellcome SA, coz i want to see how they market my would be property...
I love critics even more, coz i want to see whether those critics can be overcome.

And i do agree with her on:
1. Developer
Property is a heavy investment, the potential losses are to heavy to bear. My eyesight is focus on 6-7 developers, any other project...i dont even give a peep. It is my golden rule that before i think how much i can earn, i find out first the maximum potential losses.

2. Landmark
Perhaps we all have different apprehension over this word. I agree as well in principle. SPS has their intention to introduce new element into puchong. And for myself, i didnt mind to pay a premium, in order not to live in a condo with people from lower class, with due respect. Paying higher always get you better neughbours. This is somehow lacking in Puchong.

With themeless launches in Kepong and Selayang also passing 300k, i think SW worth it.
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For the 1st one, i went for Type C.
For the 2nd one, i'll go for Type D, provided they dont change the layout, which they are changing.

Thanks

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Sep 23 2009, 01:09 PM)
Ms Chuah,

1. I'm vested in the Zest.
2. But we're interested in SW seeing its superb location and overall concept. And please bear in mind that Zest buyers do not necessarily end up being your competitor. We are all Puchong home owners. Some of us are actually interested in more than 1 project in Puchong. (Unless you underestimated the buying power of those piggie-pretenders here.)
3. My cousin is vested in SW, so we're all praying hard that SW will be a great success (same for Zest).
4. As a potential buyer of SW, it's very uncomfortable to see all these "finger-pointing" and "name-calling". You may be just a great supporter of SW or worse, you may be a sales exec from Setia. I don't know. Or maybe you're some other projects' sales exec trying to bring down SW?

Anyway, all I wanna say is - I don't think this is working if you're trying to "bring up" SW. I think you're doing something opposite now. SW already has its own selling points, which are obvious advantages over Zest (except the price). Most of us are well aware of that. There are people who are willing to pay a premium for the concept and location. There are people who prefer something more affordable. We can only compare the projects to our personal benchmark system and share our PERSONAL views, but its up to the reader's discretion to accept our views or not.
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Thanks for explaining to Pai...and I.

Your view is absolutely objective and rational, maybe just you missed some issues.

Thanks for agreeing with my proposition that Personal benchmark and affordability is one of the contributing factor in buying a property.

Btw, can u find a single word of mine condemning Zest? I have said that Zest, Zen, SW...are not mutually exclusive and all will be benefited, just in case you are mindful to revisit the last few pages...

And i dont understand what is the needs to compare since Zest was fully sold?


Added on September 23, 2009, 1:43 pm
QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 23 2009, 01:29 PM)
Pai chief,
I have been long enough foruming with xui cheng, she is definitely not a sales girl. She had footprints on other Developers as well, in which she also "promoted".
On the contrary, i have not seen her rubbished any project, except some slight adverse comment on Zen.
And i dont think she is misleading, coz it is just different interpratation of facts.

Hope you can understand where i am coming from.

In fact, i always wellcome SA, coz i want to see how they market my would be property...
I love critics even more, coz i want to see whether those critics can be overcome.

And i do agree with her on:
1. Developer
Property is a heavy investment, the potential losses are to heavy to bear. My eyesight is focus on 6-7 developers, any other project...i dont even give a peep. It is my golden rule that before i think how much i can earn, i find out first the maximum potential losses.

2. Landmark
Perhaps we all have different apprehension over this word. I agree as well in principle. SPS has their intention to introduce new element into puchong. And for myself, i didnt mind to pay a premium, in order not to live in a condo with people from lower class, with due respect. Paying higher always get you better neughbours. This is somehow lacking in Puchong.

With themeless launches in Kepong and Selayang also passing 300k, i think SW worth it.
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For the 1st one, i went for Type C.
For the 2nd one, i'll go for Type D, provided they dont change the layout, which they are changing.

Thanks
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Mr. Cannot Tahan,

A seasoned man will always read and understand before he open his mouth.
As usual, Mr. Cannot Tahan, i will always leave it to u once you have started the ball rolling...
And....Thank you, as usual

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Thanks for explaining to Pai...and I.

Your view is absolutely objective and rational, maybe just you missed some issues.

Thanks for agreeing with my proposition that Personal benchmark and affordability is one of the contributing factor in buying a property.

Btw, can u find a single word of mine condemning Zest? I have said that Zest, Zen, SW...are not mutually exclusive and all will be benefited, just in case you are mindful to revisit the last few pages...

And i dont understand what is the needs to compare since Zest was fully sold?


Added on September 23, 2009, 1:43 pm

Mr. Cannot Tahan,

A seasoned man will always read and understand before he open his mouth.
As usual, Mr. Cannot Tahan, i will always leave it to u once you have started the ball rolling...
And....Thank you, as usual
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A man has to do what a man should do.

I do appreciate the views you expressed.

And I do concur with you that there are more and more Peniaga/well to do guys in Puchong.

And i can confirm you are not a SA, u PMed me b4 u finally bought Zest & SW

Many thanks

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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 23 2009, 01:29 PM)
Pai chief,
I have been long enough foruming with xui cheng, she is definitely not a sales girl. She had footprints on other Developers as well, in which she also "promoted".
On the contrary, i have not seen her rubbished any project, except some slight adverse comment on Zen.
And i dont think she is misleading, coz it is just different interpratation of facts.

Hope you can understand where i am coming from.

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Boss, in the 1st place, my only issue with Xui Cheng is i tot' her statement on these 2 accounts were overly bullish on SW :

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

Since I do not understand where he/she is coming from with those statement, I POLITELY ASKED her to clarify, in which she posted the link. If she has done her research properly, I was also in the link, posted my views on SW wayyy back (think even before whe did), and has followed the link since. U n I both now as of today, there many more negatives on the link than the positives, so my lack of understanding on her views again prompted me to asked her to clarify why:

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

She could not answer............. then she starts her emotional/personal attack on me, then Zest. I never had any problems with you or Zavier as I think while we may disagree on the subject, neither me, you, or Zavier :

1. Oversell Zest or SW (well not without facts to back our claims at least)
2. Went on personal attacks.

Bottomline, she's not misleading IF she could clarify/justify her statements, but it is something she has yet to do till date. An investor can explain the rational of their decision (yourself as an example), but sales person often cant. And when she fails to clarify herslef, Backkom is absolutely right, it creates an adverse effect on her desperate efforts to promote SW, and its not good for all of us. (Yes, I said all of us. How well SW does will give an indication how well Zest will do, so Im impacted too)




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Move on Pai, dont kill it when Cannot Tahan just kicked start a meaningful discussion.

Have u forgotten i posted the link saying that "...which Pai is a member of it"...

Repeating yourself wont make u smarter.

Let's move on.


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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 23 2009, 01:39 PM)
Thanks for explaining to Pai...and I.

Your view is absolutely objective and rational, maybe just you missed some issues.

Thanks for agreeing with my proposition that Personal benchmark and affordability is one of the contributing factor in buying a property.

Btw, can u find a single word of mine condemning Zest? I have said that Zest, Zen, SW...are not mutually exclusive and all will be benefited, just in case you are mindful to revisit the last few pages...

And i dont understand what is the needs to compare since Zest was fully sold?

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1. Can you find a single word from me saying that you're condemning Zest? I said we should stop all those "finger-pointing", "name-calling" and especially those "old-posts-digging". We're not lawyers in court here, we're just desperate wage earners who are trying to get more control on our own lives.
2. I would never bother to compare Zest and SW cause that's comparing apple and durian. Different things for different prices.

Please just stop all these pointing-calling-digging. I would be more than grateful if you could share information such as sales progress and project updates.
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QUOTE(chuah xui cheng @ Sep 23 2009, 03:03 PM)
Move on Pai, dont kill it when Cannot Tahan just kicked start a meaningful discussion.

Repeating yourself didnt make u smarter.

Let's move on.
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If u stop misleading/mis-sell/posting wrong information, I'll defo move on wink.gif
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QUOTE(Backkom @ Sep 23 2009, 03:06 PM)
1. Can you find a single word from me saying that you're condemning Zest? I said we should stop all those "finger-pointing", "name-calling" and especially those "old-posts-digging". We're not lawyers in court here, we're just desperate wage earners who are trying to get more control on our own lives.
2. I would never bother to compare Zest and SW cause that's comparing apple and durian. Different things for different prices.

Please just stop all these pointing-calling-digging. I would be more than grateful if you could share information such as sales progress and project updates.
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Alamak, this topic is finally over and will not see the light in the end of the tunnel.

Everyone is reading from his own exposure and interpretation, never care to think more outside the box, from being subjective and selective readings.

Everyone misunderstood everyone, hence can only see face value.

things got worst when some just jump in to make accusation without really going through the details.

I ask everyone, primarily Ah Cheng & Ah Pai, When u read Backkom's post, dosent it reflect on you?

Some accusation from Xui Cheng arose from her misunderstings on Pai; Similarily, Pai's allegations also arose from his confronting mode.

Same thing happen when Backkom referred it to Ah Cheng alone, when the whole things were contributed by all of us. When Bacckom said "stop digging", arent this is what Ah cheng, AH Pai and I have been doing? And even Backkom himself, where he asked "find me a single words...." If u dont like that, why do u repeat?

It is just a forum to share, not a debate, coz here got no winner and prize.

No need to ask for justification, coz we all have our brain to analyse, to make an informed judgment. It is always the liberty of him/her to choose how far and how much to justify.

Ah Cheng did justify, whether it is sufficient and abundant depends on each individuals. Apparently, Zavier is happy enough with that

If they is no one start to make some nobel/bold statement, how a good brainstorming process can be initiated?

If i cant force Tom to take whatever i advice, how can Tom force me to say what he/she wants to hear? Vice versa, fair and square. Hence, I do Agree Ah Pai has the right to ask for more justification, but Ah Cheng also has equivalent right not to do so. Liberty, freedom, tolerance, mutual understanding & respect, are lacking.

I can just jump in to give a lead/clue, w/t justification. If everyone has the same view, facts and privileged news, than the genuine investor can never make a lot of money. We always need some secondary people to offer higher price, in property and in capital market.

And if we are to be a caring forumer, we can rebut something even if the maker has yet to justify.

And please have this in our mind, what can be corrected/disputed is only facts. There is nothing to be corrected when come to our "prediction" or "speculation", coz it is something yet to happen.

only time will tell.

And every link DOES consist of a lot of gabage, including this one. But isnt it contributed collectively by all of us?

And when anyone is willing to share his view for free(right or wrong) in this forum, can we demand more?

If you were impressed by her and buy solely on her view, and you make, will you thank her? No, u say u are clever

If you were depressed by her hence not buying, and the price goes up, will you blame her?No, u say u are stupid

Bottomline is, money is in my pocket, i choose to buy or not.

Why dont we all stop and revisit this link in 2012, only when it is completed.


Added on September 23, 2009, 4:20 pm

If we still refuse to listen in substance to each other, i would rather to see this..

Copied, Mr Cannot Tahan.

See u again in 2012

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QUOTE(Cannot Tahan @ Sep 23 2009, 03:40 PM)
Same thing happen when Backkom referred it to Ah Cheng alone, when the whole things were contributed by all of us. When Bacckom said "stop digging", arent this is what Ah cheng, AH Pai and I have been doing? And even Backkom himself, where he asked "find me a single words...." If u dont like that, why do u repeat?

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BTW do keep all of us updated if there are anymore makan session or special discount/launches or more freebies...
But above all, please keep us updated on sales and construction progress...

We're all in this "Puchong/Kinrara" ship together...


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QUOTE(propcritic @ Sep 23 2009, 03:11 PM)
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QUOTE(Backkom @ Sep 23 2009, 04:58 PM)
Good one, you got me!  notworthy.gif

BTW do keep all of us updated if there are anymore makan session or special discount/launches or more freebies...
But above all, please keep us updated on sales and construction progress...

We're all in this "Puchong/Kinrara" ship together...


Added on September 23, 2009, 5:05 pm

What's that? I don't like G string one wor... ai yerr....
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rclxms.gif i tot i made a conclusion .. it is back now due to popular demand again ? rclxm9.gif
i do wish to reply mad.gif but i know it is not going to bring us anywhere .. blush.gif
for the sake of other forumers, i rest my case .. wub.gif

now to update more on zest development, as some forumer pointed out .. jasmurni is the main con for zest while piling by others .. in fact, jasmurni has started work a month ago .. they are instructed to fully complete it in 2 years time .. the main con shud not have prob .. however, i hope owner pay more attention to developer instead of chasing after the main con .. also give more pressure to developer on heron issue .. this will benefit all .. icon_rolleyes.gif

for sw, i would expect new discussion on the next launching .. it has alw been the price that concern everyone .. icon_idea.gif


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did anyone read Star today? One LRT station right at Setia Walk vicinity! Good news for all SW owners. I am betting the next block will have a successful launch.


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QUOTE(deetee @ Sep 24 2009, 11:56 AM)
did anyone read Star today?  One LRT station right at Setia Walk vicinity!  Good news for all SW owners.  I am betting the next block will have a successful launch.
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QUOTE(deetee @ Sep 24 2009, 11:56 AM)
did anyone read Star today?  One LRT station right at Setia Walk vicinity!  Good news for all SW owners.  I am betting the next block will have a successful launch.
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great news indeed. IMHO, the LRT is the biggest game changer for SW. Those who bought the studio's must be quite excited now, and think they'll be the biggest gainers smile.gif

Btw, does anyone know how much the retail units in SW is going for now or isit fully sold out??


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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 24 2009, 05:09 PM)
great news indeed. IMHO, the LRT is the biggest game changer for SW. Those who bought the studio's must be quite excited now, and think they'll be the biggest gainers smile.gif

Btw, does anyone know how much the retail units in SW is going for now or isit fully sold out??
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Hi Pai, Can u pls explain why the studio units will gain most?

tks
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 24 2009, 05:09 PM)
great news indeed. IMHO, the LRT is the biggest game changer for SW. Those who bought the studio's must be quite excited now, and think they'll be the biggest gainers smile.gif

Btw, does anyone know how much the retail units in SW is going for now or isit fully sold out??
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Retail unit as in the main shopping mall in SW? That will be managed by SPS and to be leased, not for sale, AFAIK.
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Retail unit as in the main shopping mall in SW? That will be managed by SPS and to be leased, not for sale, AFAIK.
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Clue, They may have changed their mind. Full stop
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QUOTE(deetee @ Sep 24 2009, 07:55 PM)
Hi Pai, Can u pls explain why the studio units will gain most? 

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Clue, They may have changed their mind. Full stop
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You know something that we don't? Do elaborate please.

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No way to put, hence here.

C & C at Puchong scrapped.


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No way to put, hence here.

C & C at Puchong scrapped.
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Pardon my ignorance, what does acronym C&C mean?
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Cemetery & Crematorium?
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No way to put, hence here.

C & C at Puchong scrapped.
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Taikor, are you referring to this?

Puchong 'mega-cemetery' to be scrapped...very good news indeed. rclxms.gif


Source: Malaysiakini

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/113715


Added on October 9, 2009, 4:25 pmBrother hanif444, have you got any latest news from SPS ?

When shall the new phase to be launched? Pricing?

BTW, i just tot of reviving this thread before it sinks to the bottom.

Thanks!

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Added on October 9, 2009, 4:32 pm[quote=Benny5187,Sep 29 2009, 10:02 AM]
Taikor, are you referring to this?

Puchong 'mega-cemetery' to be scrapped...very good news indeed. rclxms.gif
Source: Malaysiakini

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/113715



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Seems that I am SP Setia important supporter, always got email from them tongue.gif

Akan Tiba... 2.5% Rebate for 1st 50 purchaser  flex.gif  cepat go parang..  thumbup.gif
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wow!!! so many promotions...after net of these promotion...wouldn't the increment is only 5% instead of 10%??

hii everyone...first time post here.
I interested to get a unit for this block.
Just called the SA and they mentioned can choose from 1+1 and 2 rooms for low entry. If for investment (rental cover loan installment), 1+1 will need rental of RM1350 and 2 rooms needs rental of RM1700 to breakeven. SA told me is achieveable..I really doubt.....
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QUOTE(kenlim21 @ Oct 22 2009, 05:54 PM)
wow!!! so many promotions...after net of these promotion...wouldn't the increment is only 5% instead of 10%??

hii everyone...first time post here.
I interested to get a unit for this block.
Just called the SA and they mentioned can choose from 1+1 and 2 rooms for low entry. If for investment (rental cover loan installment), 1+1 will need rental of RM1350 and 2 rooms needs rental of RM1700 to breakeven. SA told me is achieveable..I really doubt.....
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The price starting from 270k?isit it true?anyone know?coz if yes then im interested!
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The price starting from 270k?isit it true?anyone know?coz if yes then im interested!
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Nop... RM270k is for R3.. new launch R2 starts somewhere around rm290k, but there is early bird rebate of 2.5%

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hi eugene,
270k - first block without LRT confirm vs 290k - 2nd block with LRT and early buyers at 1st block confirmed.
Now with 2.5% rebate...incremental of 13k only.
This kind of increment very worth to pay...IMHO
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hi eugene,
270k - first block without LRT confirm vs 290k - 2nd block with LRT and early buyers at 1st block confirmed.
Now with 2.5% rebate...incremental of 13k only.
This kind of increment very worth to pay...IMHO
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very worth it I would say cos they will be upgrading the tiles for R2. So it's like using the 13k to upgrade your tiles and also get a gym, which R3 does not have.
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yea.. there is some upgrades + 5/95 scheme is back + Free Legal Fee (I was told).. more of 845 sqft unit in R2 compare to R3.. Try your luck next weekend wink.gif
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eugene, didnt the 1st block price has increased by 10% sometime this year?

from 270k to 290k is less than 10% increase, right?
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Less than 10% I guess.. RM290k is just a rough figure.. but I doubt starting price will hit RM300k for R2 wink.gif
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Hi there, i'm already looking forward to next week on hopefully securing my 1st property.. just wondering have anyone here have past experience of the launch on R3? do ppl really line-up b4 10am to buy a property @ price region of 300k? smile.gif
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Hi there, i'm already looking forward to next week on hopefully securing my 1st property.. just wondering have anyone here have past experience of the launch on R3? do ppl really line-up b4 10am to buy a property @ price region of 300k? smile.gif
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It took more than a year to sell R3 (since soft launch in July 2008).. but I think R2 will be selling better despite the slight increase in selling price..

couple of reason why I think R2 will sell better..
1) when R3 was launch, there are several competitor products around, particularly Zest and maybe Zen and Atmosfera.. Since Zest is 100% sold out, thus leaving SW more or less the only option to be considered right now..
2) The LRT news will definately give some sort of impact on decision making..
3) R2 offers more 845sqft units than the bigger ones... With the history of R3 had proven that 845sqft units sells better than 1007sqft unit and other bigger build-up units.
4) Upgrade in interior.
5) With property market moving up again and it seems the economy down turn is recovering, everyone trying to get a piece at this moment before the price reach sky high.. Puchong market seems to be hot and only SW still have plenty to sell..
6) Low entry cost plus 2.5% rebate will be attractive for buyers..

my 2 cents.. wink.gif

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It took more than a year to sell R3 (since soft launch in July 2007).. but I think R2 will be selling better despite the slight increase in selling price..

couple of reason why I think R2 will sell better..
1) when R3 was launch, there are several competitor products around, particularly Zest and maybe Zen and Atmosfera.. Since Zest is 100% sold out, thus leaving SW more or less the only option to be considered right now..
2) The LRT news will definately give some sort of impact on decision making..
3) R2 offers more 845sqft units than the bigger ones... With the history of R3 had proven that 845sqft units sells better than 1007sqft unit and other bigger build-up units.
4) Upgrade in interior.
5) With property market moving up again and it seems the economy down turn is recovering, everyone trying to get a piece at this moment before the price reach sky high.. Puchong market seems to be hot and only SW still have plenty to sell..
6) Low entry cost plus 2.5% rebate will be attractive for buyers..

my 2 cents..  wink.gif
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I got the same thinking as you.
I think is it worth to add another RM60k to get the 2 rooms unit. In short, 60k can get you one more bedroom, one more car park & one more bathroom. Additional loan installment only RM350 which I think prospect tenants willing to pay, maybe RM400-RM500 more.
Hope I am not wrong....
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QUOTE(kenlim21 @ Oct 23 2009, 03:10 PM)
I got the same thinking as you.
I think is it worth to add another RM60k to get the 2 rooms unit. In short, 60k can get you one more bedroom, one more car park & one more bathroom. Additional loan installment only RM350 which I think prospect tenants willing to pay, maybe RM400-RM500 more.
Hope I am not wrong....
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and bear in mind the 845sq ft units will no longer be corner units, although I am not sure which ones are.
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Hi there, i'm already looking forward to next week on hopefully securing my 1st property.. just wondering have anyone here have past experience of the launch on R3? do ppl really line-up b4 10am to buy a property @ price region of 300k? smile.gif
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I don't think ppl lining up to buy b4 10am will happen in Setia Walk..
So far only I&P Kinrara , you will see this kind of situation.
I&P's landed property selling for RM315psf vs Setia Walk's strata property selling for RM360psf.
Even Zest at RM250psf also need 8 months to sell off.
It will be lucky if Setia Walk managed to sell off R2 within 6 months.
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hey ken, it is really up to you to decide smile.gif

I can't say its a go or no go bcos pricing is still a major factor for me to consider, especially when it comes to ROI (being cap appreciation or rental). No doubt this place has potential and this place will not be let dead, but when comes to ROI, I am not so sure..

However, I am not able to jump into the wagon bcos I have max out my loan potential smile.gif .. Hopefully this place will kick off nicely ..

Yea.. I&P use to hav long line of waiting buyers as landed props are still the most preferred.. but everytime, they only hav less than 60 houses to be sold.. very limited units..

Zest was 100% sold in 8 months, note that its a total of 720 units wink.gif
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eugene,

Most probably will take a unit there....won't put much hope that it will fully covers the loan installment....80% for a start would be fine with me.
And I wont be rushing just bcoz of the 1st 50 entitled for 2.5% rebate as I know for very sure NO DEVELOPER will be so strict on this so long they can conclude a sale.
I have encountered a few development previously that the SA called me few days later even the offer meant for ONE DAY only (as claimed) telling me they can convince their boss to extend the offer to me if I really interested in buying.

Regards....





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Dear Eugene & Kim, it's great to see valuable inputs from your feedbacks... so i assume ken's looking at a 2 room unit as a start.... which matches what i'm looking at too!
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Dear Eugene & Kim, it's great to see valuable inputs from your feedbacks... so i assume ken's looking at a 2 room unit as a start.... which matches what i'm looking at too!
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yup....2 rooms one is more value for money and practical...for own stay or even for rental purposes....

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Just to inform all potential buyers of SP Setia properties, these are the problems faced by me. I got a Semi-D unit in Setia Alam and I thought it was good but it turned out to be HELL. The customer care was just nice at replying and promising but no work is done. let me show u a statistic of the repair i have gotten.


No Complaint Date Filed Date Completed Duration
1 Complaint 1 8 April 2008 30 May 2008 > 3 weeks
2 Complaint 2 10 June 2008 5 September 2008 > 3 weeks
3 Complaint 3 11 June 2008 5 September 2008 > 3 weeks
4 Complaint 4 27 June 2008 5 September 2008 > 3 weeks
5 Complaint 5 1 July 2008 5 September 2008 > 3 weeks
6 Complaint 6 19 August 2008 5 September 2008 > 3 weeks
7 Complaint 7 10 October 2008 26 October 2008 < 3 weeks
8 Complaint 8 28 October 2008 17 February 2009 > 3 weeks
9 Complaint 9 18 November 2008 27 December 2008 > 3 weeks
10 Complaint 10 13 December 2008 17 February 2009 > 3 weeks
11 Complaint 11 28 December 2008 17 February 2009 > 3 weeks
12 Complaint 12 4 February 2009 17 April 2009 > 3 weeks
13 Complaint 13 17 April 2009 Yet to be completed > 3 weeks

Complaint 13 was just a simple door frame change out and door. In fact they have changed to a different specs and worst, the door replaced was infested with bugs/mites that will make holes in the door. Complaint for 6 months already but to no avail.


Gents,

if you would like to know more, please visit Jalan Setia Damai U13/16G , Jalan Setia Damai U13/16F and so on... talk to the people around and you will know more.

The house quality built by them from outside/appearance is appealing, but the integrity of the building has been compromised.

These are the few cases that has been happening in the neighbourhood.

- Car porch foundation was built without including steel mesh as reinforcement. I would say after staying for almost a year, at least 7 houses, car porch has terribly sunken. Then the contractor has to be mobilized and hacking, dirtying your place is almost certain.

- I have seen few houses here, the wall crack was bigger than 3 cms!!!! bear in mind, it's the wall, integrity of the house! imagine you are staying, if it collapsed, you won't see the light anymore. What i heard is that they tried to accelerate the projects that the piling,settling of the soil was compromised!

- My neighbour's house did not get the required repair and waited for ages.

-In fact, most of them already informed the tribunal of pembeli rumah. Few lawyers were engaged as well.

Gents,

Buying houses built by SP Setia? Think 100 times before you decide. Go make some survey. I'm suffering at the moment.

Thanks,

Angry soul conned by SP Setia.
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QUOTE(kenlim21 @ Oct 23 2009, 04:59 PM)
eugene,

Most probably will take a unit there....won't put much hope that it will fully covers the loan installment....80% for a start would be fine with me.
And I wont be rushing just bcoz of the 1st 50 entitled for 2.5% rebate as I know for very sure NO DEVELOPER will be so strict on this so long they can conclude a sale.
I have encountered a few development previously that the SA called me few days later even the offer meant for ONE DAY only (as claimed) telling me they can convince their boss to extend the offer to me if I really interested in buying.

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well .. i guess i need to reply this .. i m one of the purchaser for R3 ...
to give u some history of R3 ...
sps did not extend free kitchen cabinet .. strictly for 1st 100 buyer onli despite the slow sales after 100 buyer ..
i would strongly advise u to act fast if u really keen on buying to enjoy the 2.5% rebate for R2 ...
but anyway they did extend the 5/95 promo and in fact until now for R2 .. they just change the promo name ..
i expect the sales will do well this time given the positive news .. ppl beginning to see value in sw ..
good luck to u bro ..
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seems like sw always choosen not the right timing...
r3 launched, economic going down + competition from zest, atmosphere, zen.
now r2 going to be launched, and the budget "welcome" the launch by introducing back the rpgt
feng shui not good huh?? unsure.gif unsure.gif

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QUOTE(trojant @ Oct 23 2009, 11:53 PM)
seems like sw always choosen not the right timing...
r3 launched, economic going down + competition from zest, atmosphere, zen.
now r2 going to be launched, and the budget "welcome" the launch by introducing back the rpgt
feng shui not good huh??  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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sorry....but,i think back today.buying a 1+1 apartment at 290k....isit abit overprice?if for rental investment.cant even cover the loan instalment.if to sell later,cant expect too high price.so,if for investment...does'nt seems to fit in any way.sigh...any good advise?
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QUOTE(zavier98 @ Oct 23 2009, 09:07 PM)
well .. i guess i need to reply this .. i m one of the purchaser for R3 ...
to give u some history of R3 ...
sps did not extend free kitchen cabinet .. strictly for 1st 100 buyer onli despite the slow sales after 100 buyer ..
i would strongly advise u to act fast if u really keen on buying to enjoy the 2.5% rebate for R2 ...
but anyway they did extend the 5/95 promo and in fact until now for R2 .. they just change the promo name ..
i expect the sales will do well this time given the positive news .. ppl beginning to see value in sw ..
good luck to u bro ..
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hi zavier,

Even if they did extend to buyers no. 101 to no. 130, only theses 30 buyers will know.
buyer no 1 to 100 won't know. And public wont know as well.

and when it come to numbers....even you are between no. 101 to no. 130, the developer might still tell you that you are within the 1st 100 with reason maybe some earlier units are contra/cancel etc...

All these are marketing strategies....

Regards
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QUOTE(kenlim21 @ Oct 24 2009, 07:18 AM)
hi zavier,

Even if they did extend to buyers no. 101 to no. 130, only theses 30 buyers will know.
buyer no 1 to 100 won't know. And public wont know as well.

and when it come to numbers....even you are between no. 101 to no. 130, the developer might still tell you that you are within the 1st 100 with reason maybe some earlier units are contra/cancel etc...

All these are marketing strategies....

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There are benefit of going early.. as we do not know how is the responds, why not be early so that you will have better peace of mind.

1) can get a better unit (unit number, floor, facing direction).. even if its for investment purpose, why not choose a better unit as there is a better chance of attracting tenants or potential subsale buyer. There are so many units around, you have to make your unit stand out than the rest.
2) Better chance of getting the 2.5% rebate, dont make too much assumption that developer will extend.. as the saying goes "Assumption is the mother of all screw-up" sweat.gif

Good luck smile.gif


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QUOTE(kenlim21 @ Oct 24 2009, 07:18 AM)
hi zavier,

Even if they did extend to buyers no. 101 to no. 130, only theses 30 buyers will know.
buyer no 1 to 100 won't know. And public wont know as well.

and when it come to numbers....even you are between no. 101 to no. 130, the developer might still tell you that you are within the 1st 100 with reason maybe some earlier units are contra/cancel etc...

All these are marketing strategies....

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i will let u try and pls do let us know if u still get the 2.5% after the 50th buyer ..
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i will let u try and pls do let us know if u still get the 2.5% after the 50th buyer ..
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i am just sharing that most developer won't be as strict. They also want their business.
of coz if i really wanted to buy, i will go early.
Pls don't get me wrong that I am trying to be funny just to show they still give me the rebate after 50th is over.

Cheers...

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i will let u try and pls do let us know if u still get the 2.5% after the 50th buyer ..
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Let him try to prove he is too "smart"
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Got some hint from other forums, next weekend will be HOT.. developer gonna distribute numbers instead to potential buyers.. if wanna grab, dont assume too much and try to be early... hehhehehe~


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Let him try to prove he is too "smart"
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If the responds so hot, y developer bother to extend the rebate.. hmm.gif


Added on October 24, 2009, 11:19 pmWatch Setia Walk video from their web, i think its nicely done thumbup.gif and it might causes you to hav some sort of urge to get a piece as well brows.gif

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Dear Eugene, any ideas on how does the number distribution actually works? wow, can't believe buying a property these days can be seen like rushing to the warehouse sales...
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Dear Eugene, any ideas on how does the number distribution actually works? wow, can't believe buying a property these days can be seen like rushing to the warehouse sales...
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No idea.. I suggest you make a call personally to check with them or pay a visit to their show unit... I m not in the country at the moment smile.gif
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what time u guys going there to que
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Wah... I m just here to increase the hype of SW.. I m not buying actually... notworthy.gif
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anyone know how many square feet for 290k unit which going to launch 31Oct?
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same 8++ sq feet as earlier one
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same 8++ sq feet as earlier one
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845sqft.. to be exact.. 1+1 room with 1 toilet
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how much estimate can rent this 845 sq feet in the future?
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post Oct 28 2009, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 28 2009, 08:52 PM)
845sqft.. to be exact.. 1+1 room with 1 toilet
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my projection

unfurnished RM1000-1200

furnished - RM 1300-1600
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post Oct 28 2009, 09:54 PM

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what about the 1,000sq feet one?

the 2 plus +1 one

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post Oct 28 2009, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(kee1 @ Oct 28 2009, 09:42 PM)
my projection

unfurnished RM1000-1200

furnished - RM 1300-1600
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your projection is pretty much justifiable nod.gif

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QUOTE(airline @ Oct 28 2009, 09:54 PM)
what about the 1,000sq feet one?

the 2 plus +1 one
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how much for this type?
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QUOTE(airline @ Oct 28 2009, 09:54 PM)
what about the 1,000sq feet one?

the 2 plus +1 one
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R2 no more 2+1 variety. only got the 845 (1+1R1B), 1007 (2R2B), 1138 (3R2B) and 1350 (3R2B).
all comes with 2 carparks except the 845 unit.
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but no foreigners/amg mo here... rent to who ar?
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R2 no more 2+1 variety. only got the 845 (1+1R1B), 1007 (2R2B), 1138 (3R2B) and 1350 (3R2B).
all comes with 2 carparks except the 845 unit.
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Yes brutus is right.. The 2+1 already taken away, instead they change it to bigger unit with 3 rooms..

Its easy maths to estimate the pricing.. currently the estimated price is RM345psft.

845sqft x 345 = RM290k
1007sqft x 345 = RM347k
1138sqft x 345 = RM392k
1350sqft x 345 = RM465k doh.gif

Be noted these are the starting price only (means starting from the most undesirable location). And as the unit move higher floor, 1k -2k will be incremented. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 28 2009, 10:40 PM)
Yes brutus is right.. The 2+1 already taken away, instead they change it to bigger unit with 3 rooms..

Its easy maths to estimate the pricing.. currently the estimated price is RM345psft.

845sqft x 345 = RM290k
1007sqft x 345 = RM347k
1138sqft x 345 = RM392k
1350sqft x 345 = RM465k  doh.gif

Be noted these are the starting price only (means starting from the most undesirable location). And as the unit move higher floor, 1k -2k will be incremented. rolleyes.gif
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the SA there told me the average price range is RM 363psf. the financing package and free MOT does help cushion the price a bit.
looking at the R2 layouts, best to get the 1007sqft unit. it is available at the corner unit where in R3 was the 845sqft unit located.
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QUOTE(brutus @ Oct 28 2009, 10:45 PM)
the SA there told me the average price range is RM 363psf. the financing package and free MOT does help cushion the price a bit.
looking at the R2 layouts, best to get the 1007sqft unit. it is available at the corner unit where in R3 was the 845sqft unit located.
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Ic... maybe RM345psf is the starting price while average is RM363psf.. Most expensive might soar RM380psf?? shocking.gif

Can this be a flipping investment? using 1007sqft unit:
Purchase: RM350k
Flipping: RM420k (try to gain at least 20%, not to mention, try to overcome the 5%RPGT)
Herm.. RM420k for a 1007sqft unit is even tougher to flip than Mont Kiara Condos IMHO.

Can this be a Rental feasible investment? using 1007sqft unit:
Purchase: RM350k
Renting out bare unit, Aiming 5% ROI (although 6% is more ideal, but we try to be conservative)=RM17500/year
Maintenence=RM250/month (0.25cent/sqft), thus 12 months will be RM3000
Assessment fee (commercial title more expensive) = RM1000/year
Thus total rental per year = 17500+3000+1000=RM21500
Rental per month=RM21500/12 ~ RM1800 (and we are talking about bare unit with 5% ROI)
If aiming for 6% ROI, rental will be about RM2080 permonth with bare unit
Tough on rental.. sweat.gif
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what if it is for flipping and if can secure the 5/95 financing couple with the 2.5% rebate, the capital outflow is very minimal.
might still be doable if were to flip at 400K?
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QUOTE(brutus @ Oct 28 2009, 11:10 PM)
what if it is for flipping and if can secure the 5/95 financing couple with the 2.5% rebate, the capital outflow is very minimal.
might still be doable if were to flip at 400K?
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It might look feasible but it will be tough to get a subsale buyers IMHO
1st hand buyer buying from developer will be easy due to low downpayment and easy entry cost, but not so for subsale buyers.
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yes at 400K for a 2R2B is seemingly expensive but who would SP be targeting for this development at this kind of prices?
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QUOTE(brutus @ Oct 28 2009, 11:10 PM)
what if it is for flipping and if can secure the 5/95 financing couple with the 2.5% rebate, the capital outflow is very minimal.
might still be doable if were to flip at 400K?
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1007 sqft for 400k at puchong...can sell? don't think so at this moment, probably 5 years down the road..but anything can happen... cool2.gif however if 400k, landed looks more appealing?
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QUOTE(brutus @ Oct 28 2009, 11:23 PM)
yes at 400K for a 2R2B is seemingly expensive but who would SP be targeting for this development at this kind of prices?
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I have been asking the same question since their soft launch back in July 2008.. bro, you are more pro than me, plz enlighten me notworthy.gif


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1007 sqft for 400k at puchong...can sell? don't think so at this moment, probably 5 years down the road..but anything can happen... cool2.gif however if 400k, landed looks more appealing?
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We are talking about RM400k upon completion.. but if it takes 5 years to be sound reasonable at RM400k, thats less than 15% appreciation, that is simple 3% perannum, less than 3% compounded appreciation per year. Moreover appreciation from non-complete project shocking.gif

My not so well known apartment appreciated 25% from non-complete to upon CF in less than 1 n half year man icon_idea.gif

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everything also though except the 2.5 discount and 5/95..

but on the other hand,
got other projects also with 5/95.

1 sentul and the plaza damas3.
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 28 2009, 11:30 PM)
I have been asking the same question since their soft launch back in July 2008.. bro, you are more pro than me, plz enlighten me  notworthy.gif
wah, you put me on the praying table meh?! where got I am more pro than you on this. their first phase was given a miss by myself and vested into TZ. so, how can I be more pro?
anyway, I do think SP is trying something different for Puchong. SW also got 759 units, more than TZ. so, cant be all wrong right? blink.gif
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i can see SP setia is pick up their speed for setia walk now..is because of market recovery???
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pardon me. what is TZ? zest is it?
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TZ is The Zest

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no que just then. passing thru the area. hehe
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how can u compare setia walk with the zest??? setia walk located at Puchong heart..and the zest with only a to bukit jalil road???
Setia Walk can access all kind of banks within 5 min...how to compare with TZ..
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I hope this SW new launch will do well, else I wont be able to sell off my Zest at RM450psf later......


Buy, buy, buy tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Oct 30 2009, 09:26 AM)
how can u compare setia walk with the zest??? setia walk located at Puchong heart..and the zest with only a to bukit jalil road???
Setia Walk can access all kind of banks within 5 min...how to compare with TZ..
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I wanna use the Putrajaya highway to get to KL mah... so TZ location also not too bad la...
Kinrara also got banks... plus I only go to banks less than 5 times a year tongue.gif

Anyway SW is really setting a new benchmark for Puchong, especially in terms of the price rclxms.gif
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do Setia Walk will bring up the terrace house at Wawasan 1 since the landed cost 250-300k for 18x65 basic unit...How can service apartment cost 1000 sq.ft cost more than than??
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Oct 30 2009, 05:01 PM)
do Setia Walk will bring up the terrace house at Wawasan 1 since the landed cost 250-300k for 18x65 basic unit...How can service apartment cost 1000 sq.ft cost more than than??
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Dude.. there is no correlation why high rise "must be cheaper" than landed.. classical examples are in Bandar Utama and TTDI..

Must Zen be cheaper than the kampung houses around, or even compare with landed in Puchong Utama.. sweat.gif

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Dude.. there is no correlation why high rise "must be cheaper" than landed.. classical examples are in Bandar Utama and TTDI..

Must Zen be cheaper than the kampung houses around, or even compare with landed in Puchong Utama..  sweat.gif
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which high-rise in bu price higher than bu terrace (which bu), can give example?

most of the time, people buy high-rise becoz not able to buy landed at the same area... but some people just wanna save face, highlight all the high-rise pros and complaints on landed cons.

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which high-rise in bu price higher than bu terrace (which bu), can give example?

most of the time, people buy high-rise becoz not able to buy landed at the same area... but some people just wanna save face, highlight all the high-rise pros and complaints on landed cons.
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Bukit Utama Condo.. of course the build up is much more bigger..
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QUOTE(trojant @ Oct 30 2009, 05:32 PM)
which high-rise in bu price higher than bu terrace (which bu), can give example?

most of the time, people buy high-rise becoz not able to buy landed at the same area... but some people just wanna save face, highlight all the high-rise pros and complaints on landed cons.
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Wake up!!!

Recent launched Condo in DPC are more expensive than the individual titled terrace in DPC.
TTDI, same thing.

The world changed and continues changing, hence the perception and mindset.

Our age "may" grow older, but our mind must much on...


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Ameera vs SS2 landed
Bukit Utama Condo vs Bandar Utama landed
One Menerung vs Bangsar landed
The Plaza Condo TTDI vs TTDI landed

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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 30 2009, 08:12 PM)
Ameera vs SS2 landed
Bukit Utama Condo vs Bandar Utama landed
One Menerung vs Bangsar landed
The Plaza Condo TTDI vs TTDI landed
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bro, do u think the most expensive condo KLCC will more expensive than landed is closer area cool2.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Oct 30 2009, 10:09 PM)
bro, do u think the most expensive condo KLCC will more expensive than landed is closer area cool2.gif  icon_question.gif
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Anytime more expensive than those kampung house in Kampung Baru brows.gif
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No need to think liao, go buy lah, some more buy 2, for flip kaki.

Went to Midvalley, most new launching talak 5/95 + ) under con.

Platinum victory@Melati utama
Price :350k
Capital : 35k (90% MOF)
cost : 20k (loan penalty + interest)
Upon VP = 20% (assumption) 70k
Profit = 50k
ROI = 95%

SW
Price : 700k (350k x 2)
Capital = 15k (5% - 1% rebate - MOT)
Cost = 20k loan penalty
Upon VP = 20% (assumption) 140k
Profit = 120k
ROI = 300%

Buy Buy Buy

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how response today at setia walk? fully sold?

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As at 1.30 pm today, about 70 units were sold. Not too bad.




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My "wind" told me 1007sqft all gone in the morning... 50units snapped up even before 8am brows.gif

Seems that 1007sqft is more welcome this time around, but developer increase the number for 845sqft units.. wrong strategy again? sweat.gif
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Looks like the BBB wind is still blowing strong...
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QUOTE(Backkom @ Oct 31 2009, 03:47 PM)
Looks like the BBB wind is still blowing strong...
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I would say the responds is much better than the previous one.. But I dont think the whole block can be sold in record time.. 1007sqft and 845sqft might be able to be snapped up by this week.. but after that, the the sales will slow down abit bcos it is harder to sell the 1350sqft and 1138sqft.. Maybe need few months and probably SP need to throw in some freebies hmm.gif

For those who have vested in Puchong, we should hope that SW is doing good so that i can influece the area around, and lifting Puchong to the next level.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 31 2009, 04:04 PM)
I would say the responds is much better than the previous one.. But I dont think the whole block can be sold in record time.. 1007sqft and 845sqft might be able to be snapped up by this week.. but after that, the the sales will slow down abit bcos it is harder to sell the 1350sqft and 1138sqft.. Maybe need few months and probably SP need to throw in some freebies hmm.gif

For those who have vested in Puchong, we should hope that SW is doing good so that i can influece the area around, and lifting Puchong to the next level..  brows.gif
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Certainly am hoping SW will do well and set the new trend for Puchong price! rclxms.gif
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BBB wind?
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Lastes new, 110 unit is sold in 1day ..!!
I wonder why ppl buying property like buying
GORENG PISANG !!!

hehe.... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(unique_bubbles @ Oct 31 2009, 06:22 PM)
Lastes new, 110 unit is sold in 1day ..!!
I wonder why ppl buying property like buying
GORENG PISANG !!!

hehe....  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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BBB
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 31 2009, 03:46 PM)
My "wind" told me 1007sqft all gone in the morning... 50units snapped up even before 8am  brows.gif

Seems that 1007sqft is more welcome this time around, but developer increase the number for 845sqft units.. wrong strategy again?  sweat.gif
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Not true la. When I was there till 1.30pm, there are still some units of 1007 left.


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T816B daikor.. got parang any unit today? any conclusion for today's sales performance ah ?? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(unique_bubbles @ Oct 31 2009, 06:22 PM)
Lastes new, 110 unit is sold in 1day ..!!
I wonder why ppl buying property like buying
GORENG PISANG !!!

hehe....  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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buy, buy, buy rclxms.gif
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Did any boss bought Brio?

Please share with us some information and we would like to share your experience as well.

Thanks. smile.gif icon_idea.gif notworthy.gif
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R2 new block called Brio, what is R3 block called?
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R2 new block called Brio, what is R3 block called?
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R3 Block is known as Solace, boss. smile.gif

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thanks boss, btw, heard they going to open a TGV there. according to sales person there.

this setia walk got gym or swimming pool ar?
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Brio has gym and swimming pool.......at certain floor, there are sky garden....11, 15 and 19 floor

any latest sales update?
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type c sold out, studio left 8th floor, according to a friend
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146 units sold as of today.....
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Mind to share how much is the total number of units for Brio?
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tengster kor, u vested now? Manage to get 2.5% rebate? smile.gif


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Hello All

I heard SP Setia is in discussion to invite one International School to be opened in the commercial centre. Not too sure how true this is. smile.gif

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international school in a mall? while its sounds rather impossible I kinda wish it will materialize......
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international school in a mall? while its sounds rather impossible I kinda wish it will materialize......
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if there is really an intl school opening in a mall, guess i'll be the last parent sending my kid there...too many distractions!!! shakehead.gif
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international school or college?
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I am not too sure also, it is not confirmed news.

Anyway, is there a gym in R3?

Bro Tengster, confirmed R2 have a gym?
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vyruz - Yes there is a gym, wading pool, swimming pool, etc at level 7 of Brio.....

afaik, there is no gym in Solace...but then I could be wrong for this one.

sounds more like college rather than international school.....i may happen considering Tenby is at Setia Alam.


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if there is really an intl school opening in a mall, guess i'll be the last parent sending my kid there...too many distractions!!!  shakehead.gif
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the upside is they dont have to travel far for the distractions.... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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anyone knows whether the parking for type C is tandem or side by side
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QUOTE(airline @ Nov 5 2009, 02:27 PM)
anyone knows whether the parking for type C is tandem or side by side
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Verbally YES side by side........ and also higher the unit floor, lower the carpark floor. Also verbally correct. brows.gif

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International school / college rumours to be in talking stages to fill the commercial / office block... but there is also talks flying around of Columbia College filling the floors of PFCC.... smile.gif
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bro, what is PFCC?

You vested in R3 r R2?
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Columbia college? never heard before. How come not the famous ones...
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bro, what is PFCC?

You vested in R3 r R2?
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I am bringing two frens to there coming Saturday. Hopefully, still some nice units available.

as of Saturday lunch hour, 166 of 255 are gone......

airline - any specific number you can count from there?

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Thanks man..T816b.....if this happens, it's a good news......
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I drove past PFCC today. It is supposed to be Puchong Financial Corporate Centre.

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Yes... PFCC=Puchong Financial Corporate Centre. There will be a total of 4 blocks of PFCC from the current 2 we can see. News in the air also claims that 1 of the current 2 is taken up by some oil & gas company...

btw, I vested in R2... smile.gif
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Yes... PFCC=Puchong Financial Corporate Centre. There will be a total of 4 blocks of PFCC from the current 2 we can see. News in the air also claims that 1 of the current 2 is taken up by some oil & gas company...

btw, I vested in R2... smile.gif
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It should be 5 blocks in PFCC.
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either 1 will be hotel if i'am not wrong according last time flora staff told me...
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think if the proposed hotel does materialize in SW, it should be a plus for vested SW owners..........as long as the hotel is managed by reputable vendors and does not turn out to be a "ayam" hotel.....
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tengster, saw 2 units 8th floor not corner ones still available.

type C even 14th floor, 8th floor sold out
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QUOTE(airline @ Nov 9 2009, 02:26 PM)
tengster, saw 2 units 8th floor not corner ones still available.

type C even 14th floor, 8th floor sold out
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type d units 845 sf have all been snapped up. only 1 type c 1007 sf on 8th fl left. the couple who bought the 14th fl type c actually returned the next day to book another bigger type b unit.

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anyone know range of price of the 845sqf units (BRIO)?
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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 9 2009, 09:40 PM)
anyone know range of price of the 845sqf units (BRIO)?
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291,800 8th fl
328,800 23rd fl
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345 psf to 390 psf

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type d units 845 sf have all been snapped up. only 1 type c 1007 sf on 8th fl left. the couple who bought the 14th fl type c actually returned the next day to book another bigger type b unit.
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345 psf to 390 psf
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anyone can confirm BRIO pricing has gone up by several K per unit?
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Guys, I am trying to seek some opinion from you guys... As this is my 1st purchase I'm currently confused on is there any best MRTA insurance combination for a joint purchase? I was being offered the following from both Maybank & Eon Bank:

1) 100:100 but 1st 20 years tenure only
2) 100:100 for the full 30 years tenure
3) 50:50 for the full 30 years tenure
4) Or should I consider some other lower package

Please note that we are still leaving the option open of keeping the unit to ourselves or investment prospect... nod.gif

Thanks!

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I am someone who will never buy MRTA. If the above two banks cant do it, get from others.

Having said so, one must have enough insurance protection just in case kick the bucket earlier than supposed or get into a situation of permanent disability.

So, you need to weigh your existing protection level (ie in other form of insurance) to tell whether you need MRTA or not.
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u all take 95% loan?

anyone has loan approved already?
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QUOTE(tengster @ Nov 12 2009, 01:16 PM)
I am someone who will never buy MRTA. If the above two banks cant do it, get from others.

Having said so, one must have enough insurance protection just in case kick the bucket earlier than supposed or get into a situation of permanent disability.

So, you need to weigh your existing protection level (ie in other form of insurance) to tell whether you need MRTA or not.
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Bro tengster, means u're going MLTA? I have run some checks on both cons, seems to me MLTA offers higher flexibility with of course a higher premium, but i'm still not sure how high comparing to the both above. Or any better suggestions from the mentioned 2 option. blink.gif


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u all take 95% loan?

anyone has loan approved already?
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From my joint application, my wife and I took 95% to preserve our EPF... Therefore, we target the EPF acc as an option for another opportunity when it arise. Can the Sifus advice me that am I thinking correctly with my move?

Btw, yes. I got my loan approved from the mentioned banks and am currently rclxub.gif on the insurance issues...
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QUOTE(haksam @ Nov 12 2009, 02:06 PM)
Bro tengster, means u're going MLTA? I have run some checks on both cons, seems to me MLTA offers higher flexibility with of course a higher premium, but i'm still not sure how high comparing to the both above. Or any better suggestions from the mentioned 2 option.  blink.gif
haksam - I mean I wont opt for either mrta nor mlta.


Added on November 12, 2009, 3:50 pmairline - 5% is about 15-20k.......I think if you know your own cashflow, i think you are doing the right thing. Just dont stretch too much, keep some cash for buffer zone.

In future, you may apply for EPF house withdrawal. it will be difference of MOF and house price ....ie...5% plus another 10% of the house price.......let say 360k is your unit, you can withdraw RM54k.....You can use this money for renovation, future investment or even to offset the laon principal amount or park in the flexiloan account.

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anyone can confirm BRIO pricing has gone up by several K per unit?
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Added on November 13, 2009, 11:18 amAs at 13 Nov 2009.

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Hi, just to ask whether there are some unit (1007sqft) left available ? or what is the smallest unit available ? and.. price ?
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thanks T816b ...........70 of 255


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Hi, just to ask whether there are some unit (1007sqft) left available ? or what is the smallest unit available ? and.. price ?
Thanks smile.gif
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the two smaller types are 845 and 1007. THey are all gone....the available units are 1138......for pricing, you can guesttimate at 363 per sq ft

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so fast 3K difference...
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1. possible official launch in mid or end Dec....to sign SPA too
2. price confirmed up liao
3. showroom will be closed soon for renovation to reflect Brio
4. R1 may be launched in early Q2
5. sales exceeds 70%...bigger units picking up strenght.
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360 per sq.ft still better than berjaya recently launch at bukit jalil golf club there...
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bigger units also moving fast,
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FYI, u can ask for MRTA refund if u settle u loan earlier.
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anyone here apply direct access? their staff piss me off, majority lan si- give excuse busy la, no time la, focus on big loan la..
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anyone here apply direct access? their staff piss me off, majority lan si- give excuse busy la, no time la, focus on big loan la..
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They were slow when processing my application. I decided to go for Eon Bank which I was given a better service.


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Wanna ask the 1138 sqft Brio apartments going for RM 400K++ is kinda overpriced for Puchong? If hold for rental yields, do you guys think can fetch > RM 2100 to cover for P+I????
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mercuri - maybe later down the road. It won't be immediate. Similar to the Curve effect.
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just went to the showhouse in puchong. R2 already 75-80% sold. the remaining units are the bigger units. Even the 1138 has almost been sold out and its not officially launched yet.
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just went to the showhouse in puchong. R2 already 75-80% sold. the remaining units are the bigger units. Even the 1138 has almost been sold out and its not officially launched yet.
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R2 when official launch? R2 completion date ? 2011 or 2012 ?
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R2 official launch mid dec 2009 while est completion end 2012
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After attending one of those property seminars, someone correctly pointed out that Malaysia property is still relatively cheap if you compare with its peers in asia like singapore, japan, hong kong or even bankgkok, vietnam or china. Apparently, there is a fair bit to go before we even get anywhere near the prices of properties in Singapore and Hong Kong.
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agreed with u..Malaysia property still got alot of space to go =)

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hiro-san : I was told there are less than 20units left by now. Is that true? Did they tell you when to sign SPA?


Added on December 31, 2009, 2:47 pmFrom 2nd Jan, IOI Properties Sdn Bhd is relocated to Tower 2 PFCC (Puchong Financial Corporate Centre).

This PFCC comprised of two Towers as of now. The plan is for 5 towers in this 8 acres land. Not sure the status of the other 3 blocks of now. Impressive stuff.

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When PFCC is in full swing and not much new residential areas, guess where their mid-level executives would choose to stay...... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



Setia Walk has 20.8 acres.....with 3 blocks of Service Apartments, Retail Office, SoHo, Entertainment Centre and Office Tower......hmmmm.... icon_idea.gif

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In www.spsetia.com.my/setiawalk

Vio is the name of the 3rd Block. It's now open for registration.....
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i heard tomorrow softlaunch for 3rd block..true?
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nando - i think it's just preview. May not soft launch yet...do drop by to check it out and report to everyone here.
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this one no one que overnight at 10pm? hehe
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too early to say....

I was told yesterday event they were giving angpow ranging from umbrella to RM10k voucher. Voucher is for VIO purchase...Not Jusco voucher.
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QUOTE(airline @ Feb 26 2010, 12:23 PM)
this one no one que overnight at 10pm? hehe
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vio open for sales on 27 March. expect min rm32xk for type d.

understand that early birds get to enjoy rm10k discount across the board unlike 2.5% previously.

also the rm10k discount is mutually exclusive if u r an angpow voucher holder. u can't utilise the rm10k angpow voucher to gain further discount to purchase vio.

that means the vouchers r only useful to the holders if he/she r not among the early birds.

not sure if the vouchers r transferrable.



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Planning to buy one standard unit (3 bed room) in Vio Tower.

400 per sqft, according to the agent.

Seriously, do u need to start queuinng at 10pm on 26th March? This is just crazy man. Last time, i saw ppl did that was during Star Wars Episode 1 premier and pS3 launch.

KL property market is getting fanatical.
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Thanks for the update aquest.

As of now, I know 2 persons who are going there to book the units. I am not sure what time they wanna go. But last year I went there at 230am.
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7am still can make top 50 for Brio.
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wats the price range?
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some say RM400 per sq ft.
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Rm 400 per sq.ft...can buy Puteri landed dbl storey...
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i think so...
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Puchong property shoot up to SKY rocker high...Hope IOI boulevard,PFCC ,Setia Walk success then my property value will go up also..Huat
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Vio launching is scheduled to be on 27 March 2010.


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Whats the expected price for Vio?
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come early get rebate first 50 units, later if too many people, they extend to first 100 units like Brio?
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RM360k for 850sqft
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360k for 850sqft is quite at a high end.. hurmm
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my house at puchong jaya apartment 850sq.ft cost me Rm150k...hope it bring up property in puchong jaya/puteri...
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this time around they r encouraging ppl to buy the slow moving bigger units namely type a & b increasing prices by a "modest" 10% whereas for type d 845 sf, the price increase is quite steep.

let's compare like to like by taking the cheapest units of brio n vio as an example.

brio lowest 8th floor type d 845sf: launching price rm291,800 or rm345 psf
vio lowest 8th floor type d 845 sf: estimated launching price rm350,800 (b4 early bird discount) or rm415 psf

increase = 20.3% (w/o early bird discount)
or 16.8% (with early bird discount rm10k)

brio highest 23rd floor type d 845sf: launching price rm328,800 or rm389 psf
vio highest 23rd floor type d 845sf: estimated launching price rm387,800 or rm459 psf

cmi?


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how people people from this forum que tonite? brows.gif cool2.gif
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how people people from this forum que tonite? brows.gif  cool2.gif
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how they determine first 50? by the queue?
may i know what's the selling price for each type?
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how they determine first 50? by the queue?
may i know what's the selling price for each type?
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the queue started yesterday 7pm....this morning, there are at least 10 persons.....

1st 50 chairs are for the 1st 50 buyers.........

selling price is about 350k plus...

www.spsetia.com.my/setiawalk

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50 seats are taken (will be given 10k voucher)
extended 50 seats (will be given voucher, but lesser compare to 1st 50)

ppl are queue-ing up o_O
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the que yesterday nite and not tonite right?

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QUOTE(tengster @ Mar 26 2010, 02:08 PM)
the queue started yesterday 7pm....this morning, there are at least 10 persons.....

1st 50 chairs are for the 1st 50 buyers.........

selling price is about 350k plus...

www.spsetia.com.my/setiawalk

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Best response so far for SW launching. I was there yesterday afternoon to look see look see. It was dead quiet then.


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Maybe is becoz SP Setia want to achieve their 2010 target to Rm2 Billion Sales, that y they boots up the price for Setia Walk...fro Rm 3xx per sq.ft to Rm 4xx per sq.ft...

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There queue is up to 85 at 5am this morning. What do you mean dead?
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QUOTE(tengster @ Mar 27 2010, 12:15 PM)
There queue is up to 85 at 5am this morning. What do you mean dead?
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enough seats for 85? there are only 50 chairs.
congrats to those who bought earlier
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Anyone willing to let go / sell their BRIO 2 bedroom unit?
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why u wanna buy brio when vio still available?
Even if one sell brio 2 bedroom u think they will sell you lower then vio?

my lua cents.


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most just sign their loan agreement last month..
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u want 2 room 1007 sq feet corner? how much u willing to offer
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u want 2 room 1007 sq feet corner? how much u willing to offer
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unit number 8 high floor here. wont be cheap. rm420-430k at least.
few months later or 3 years later higher la.
land is scarce and freehold with LRT next door..
like Sri Maya.

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apparently SW now has different plans for their office units...... can anyone verify?
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near LRT a lot options lah (<RM350psf), why so dying for SW?
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QUOTE(Headlight @ May 7 2010, 01:04 PM)
near LRT a lot options lah (<RM350psf), why so dying for SW?
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But SW got lifestyle & pizazz! U can't place a premium on style right? cool2.gif

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Got style inside the that mini development only, when walk out from the condo/project u will be like in chow kit, imagine u want to do shopping @ Tesco and u got to carry what u hv bought all the way up to the skybridge, dirty, got beggars... All style, concept, gimmicks...etc cheat ppl one lah.
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QUOTE(Headlight @ May 7 2010, 02:25 PM)
Got style inside the that mini development only, when walk out from the condo/project u will be like in chow kit, imagine u want to do shopping @ Tesco and u got to carry what u hv bought all the way up to the skybridge, dirty, got beggars...  All style, concept, gimmicks...etc cheat ppl one lah.
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When DPC Westside Towers is rumored to start at RM500psf, is SW overpriced? Tropics also RM300psf+ only wo.
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QUOTE(kbandito @ May 30 2010, 02:09 AM)
When DPC Westside Towers is rumored to start at RM500psf, is SW overpriced? Tropics also RM300psf+ only wo.
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DPC is in the world of its own.........wouldnt put it in the same league as SW or Tropics....
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QUOTE(kbandito @ May 30 2010, 02:09 AM)
When DPC Westside Towers is rumored to start at RM500psf, is SW overpriced? Tropics also RM300psf+ only wo.
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some ppl may not like the idea of seggregating their car park from the residential block. westside is 1 such tower. it is also said to be located besides 2 large water tanks. from the artiste impression, the walking distance from the residential tower to the carpark is separated by the swimming pool. the min >rm500 psf does not include interest under construction that is not absorbed by the developer. moreover, many still consider that dpc is just an extension of kepong but with a different address.

consider this:

westside (interest under construction not absorbed by developer)
min price rm500 psf (i think is much higher than this)
max price rm??? psf

sw currently (interest under construction absorbed by deveoper)
min price rm380 psf (for type a units 1350 sf but already sold out)
max price rm465 psf (for type d units 845 sf also already sold out tho lowest floor units at rm420 psf still available)

u r comparing a condo with a serviced apt. not an appropriate comparison.



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I don't see big difference between Westside at the north, Tropics at the middle, and SW at south in the map.
1. Speaking of township, DPC thou is isolated, Kepong has basically all amenities, although outside DPC there is class difference. For Tropics definitely has easiest accessibility to basically everywhere provided you have own transport. Puchong although is developing fast but it never comes to my liking, what is the difference with Kepong other than population?
2. Average household income of these three areas, can Puchong beats the other 2?
3. Public transportation, ok SW wins hands down with the coming LRT.

Only my two cents, and even if we take 0% interest rate into account it doesn't balloon the actual cost of the remaining two.

Condominium and Service Apartment are both high rise residential, the difference is on the land use, no big difference.

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QUOTE(kbandito @ May 30 2010, 05:16 PM)
I don't see big difference between Westside at the north, Tropics at the middle, and SW at south in the map.
1. Speaking of township, DPC thou is isolated, Kepong has basically all amenities, although outside DPC there is class difference. For Tropics definitely has easiest accessibility to basically everywhere provided you have own transport. Puchong although is developing fast but it never comes to my liking, what is the difference with Kepong other than population?
2. Average household income of these three areas, can Puchong beats the other 2?
3. Public transportation, ok SW wins hands down with the coming LRT.

Only my two cents, and even if we take 0% interest rate into account it doesn't balloon the actual cost of the remaining two.

Condominium and Service Apartment are both high rise residential, the difference is on the land use, no big difference.
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the 'big' difference is in the progress stages of construction. 1 is awaiting for the 1st sticker to be pinned on the chart or 0% sold (tho reportedly attracting 2,100 registrants), the other is about to be vp'ed while another is already 20% wip with 20 unsold units (mostly large layout). to be fair to sw, 1 needs to compare their launching prices ie sw solace rm320 psf vs westside 1 rm580. that's right its rm580 n not rm500 as claimed by u. its inappropriate to compare 1 that's about to start selling against the other 1 that's already almost finished selling.

Meanwhile, on June 5, the developer will hold a priority launch for the 2,100 registrants for its latest condominium The Westside One. The sole 40-storey block of 338 condominium units, described by the developer as “branded residences”, will be sized from 969 sq ft to 2,066 sq ft, with indicative pricing of RM580 psf. The project will come up on a 4.23-acre freehold plot.
extract from the edge http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-views/3419.html

if 1 is consdering say, a sw loft unit 1,850 sf, he/she can still have it at current price of under rm400 psf n moreover, it's sitting on the top 24th to 26th floor. just imagine what's the psf price of an almost similar size unit (2066 sf) on similar floor would be in the case of westside 1 when the lowest floor is already rm580. what about westside 2 prices when it/s launched later? another 10% up or rm640 psf? and another 10% more for units on the highest 40th floor at rm700 psf?

[the 'big' difference between service apts and condo is the availability of such facilities/services akin to that of a hotel not usually found in condos as laundry, housekeeping, convenient stores, f&b outlets, business centre, concierge and even a pms (although not fidelio) that 1 would expect from a full-fledged service apt, for instance ascot, maple. while sw is not expected to provide all the services mentioned since its customised for homeowners occupancy n long term tenants. the difference is still clear.

the more appropriate head-to-head comparison should be those that r about to be launched that offer similar range of layouts n b/u such as skypod and surian 2.

as mentioned earlier, i have nothing against westside in terms of location, layouts or even its premium pricing but just some issues with the carpark and the 2 water tanks.

rm300 psf for tropics? possible?

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i dont understand why people want to pay rm580 per sq feet in desa park city.
landed there ok, but condos? where can get back returns.

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90% of setiawalk buyer are Chinese. 10% are Bumi, India and Foreigner...

http://ehome.kpkt.gov.my/ehome/LaporanJual..._NAMA=SETIAWALK

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QUOTE(airline @ Jun 1 2010, 01:01 AM)
i dont understand why people want to pay rm580 per sq feet in desa park city.
landed there ok, but condos? where can get back returns.
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price. pay the price for 'class'?? but most important is security and ammenities.
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anyone register for Trigon...the newest service apartment in SWP. To be priced much higher than R1, R2 and R3.
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Need to que overnite a not macam brio and vio?
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650PSF...what you think?
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Maybe 2 or 5 percent downpayment, dibs
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dibs@5% if 1000psf@RM600
RM30k 'only'
2% even nicer
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for those stuck with LTV 70%, what if SP setia offer below for Trigon.....

assume price at 600psf - SP setia mark up to 800psf

selling price 800k for 1000sqft , 30% dp = 240k

SP setia give discount 25% in dp = 240k(30%)-200k(25%) = dp 40k (5%)

assume free 3 car park, dbis, fully furnish......

no buy? die die must buy?

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