RM320psf for Puchong is dem expensive, IMHO.

Care to share your thoughts to justify all your 3 statements above?

Xui Cheng,

the link u posted has lots of garbage and there's a lot more fighting going on VS discussing the subject. Since you come here and claim the following :


- SW will be the land mark of puchong.
- If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
- If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

These are such strong selling statements that could rightly lead OR mis-lead others, so I believe there's nothing wrong with me or anyone asking for justification. With so many forumers here vested in Puchong based developments, it will be interesting to see how SW affects the rest from your point of view.

All the more reason why I asked you to clarify your thoughts here which so far contradicts the general opinion.

Anyway, point taken and sure you can make ANY baseless claim as you wanted irrespective of logic or facts backing such claims, like any other vested SW owners. Its a free forum, but do expect a highly candor'ish debate when u misrepresent facts here.

Cheers

Xui Cheng,

Since u went thru great lenghts in reading my previous post looking for mistakes(think I made those comments early this year), allow me to clarify/justify. I made those comments when market sentiment is at its worst, and Zest was less than 5% sold. I did mention "In today's market" in my advise, didnt I? Lastly, I did inform everyone right after I bought my unit, so thats is a clue/unspoken advise from me if anyone was watching.......

To those who heed my advise back then but failed to make the move to buy Zest even when sentiment starts recovering, I hereby offer my sincerest apologies as I didnt expect :

1. Sentiment to recover so quickly.

2. ZEST would outsold Setia Walk by a mile despite not offering any freebies. Guess all those "financing scheme" by SP Setia didnt manage to con as many ppl as I would expect.

3. Public would quickly realise that Zest is really value for money, despite its rookie developer. A good product wont be in stock for long. There still remaining units in SW if Im not mistaken.... but one has to wonder why its not unsold after more than 1 year on the market + free tong-sui makan + free starbucks and all that advertisement.......

You see..........unlike you, I can justify my advise. Anyway, those who took my advise on not buying Setia Walk arent complaining at all

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 18 2009, 12:31 AM

Wahlau........ you have plenty of time to write all these above but cannot even justify your previous claims. My question was very objective but u have to bring your emotional baggage from other forum to here. Suggest you learn communication skill from "cannot tahan"

Prepared to take on this fella? what for? Its a forum, ppl here discuss about properties. Its weird to see how emotional ppl can be. I question her/him when she made a strong statement about SW, which was interesting and politely request her to justify which till today she has not able to. I hope she doesnt reflect the intelectual/emotional level for majority of SW buyers......else

Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now

HER nerve, and guess I must have struck LOTS of it judging by her reply.......

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Added on September 19, 2009, 12:54 amSo I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 12:55 AM

I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?

So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?

Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows.............

And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 1:57 amChief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with? Care to share your thought?



This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 01:57 AM

Think you are avoiding most of the questions, as expected. Let me clarify the question to its most basic english state for your understanding :

2. I didnt asked which is the worst or best. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?

3. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats?
Im not sure about you, but I've been in the landlord business long enuff to know that good facilities attracts good tenants + premium rents. Its a major consideration albeit not a main one especially if one is gonna fork out a hefty 350-400psf. Honestly SW facilities are mediocre at best and is probably the worst of the 4.

3a. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?

4. U assume that there r plenty business man in Puchong, and I asked you for stats to prove your assumption. As I suspected, its PURELY your own assumption not backed with any facts whatsoever, just like the rest of your statements.

Speaking of common-sense, all good projects nomally sold out within weeks/months. Use your "common-sense" and do tell us why SW has yet to sell all its block and still not able to fully sell its existing stocks despite :

- offering 5/95 con scheme
- Various round of free makan and drinks
- Monthly adevertisment in all major newspaper.

5. Zest was a good product that is fully sold. Ealier buyer now makes 10%-15% paper gain on a fully sold project. I cant say the same for SW though.

Again u r avoiding the question. These businessman that you mentioned, why would they choose SW over other condos, DSL, Semi-D and Bungalow? Please answer the question if you can.

6. Been there and the finishing is so-so. I do like the layout of the studios though. And yes its NOT fully sold even to date.

7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong? Or r u saying that SW buyers all buy SW bcoz its expensive?

8. Your high-end definition must be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower than the general standard if u think SW is a high end product. Have u seen a high-end product before? Care to share whats your definition on "high end"?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 9:31 pmI've seen Atmosfera, Zen and SW showroom, and honestly SW looks like the worst of the lot, in terms of facilities, finishing and spec. Therefore, usage of high-end to describe SW is highly debatable boss, "high-price" or expensive IMO is a more fair description.



This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 09:31 PM

All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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Added on September 20, 2009, 2:33 amHi Zavier, glad to see there's at least 2 rational SW owner

Look, I never said SW is a bad product. Expensive yes (at least for me), but not a bad product. I think its expensive as Zen, Atmosfera, Zest etc all are sold for at least 30% cheaper VS SW. But with the LRT forthcoming, I see value in SW. Given sufficient time.........SW will appreciate n make decent gains for its buyers. But VS others, appreciation might be on slower pace as I believe that SP has priced SW residential units too high to fund their expensive :

1. Zero Interest undercon program
2. Marketing expenses
3. Retail units

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng). These r genuine investors and have made decent $$$$ in years of property investment. Looking at sales levels achieved by Zest, Zen and Atmosfera compared to SW, one has to wonder. Its already difficult to sell SW now(at least from the sales performance), imagine u asking ppl to buy your unit at 20%-30% premium later.........


And yes, saw your comments on Zest dev and I think those are fair thoughts especially on what happened to Heron, korean enbloc etc. My thoughts are :

1. Heron is 1st project for TT, definitely there's some learnings TT needs to accept. But SW is SPS's 1st highrise project in KV, there's no guarantee that SW wont turn up to be as bad or worst than Heron, right? SHC builds excellent landed props, but lousy high rise, for example. SW holds no guarantees as well.

2. Korean en-bloc - I've warned that potential buyers need to take news like this like pinch of salt. The same for LRT station proposal. If it happens its a bonus. Now at least the LRT and ramp seems will happen as promised, and at RM200psf Zest now looks like a steal

3. SPS promises and sells lifestyle to buyers like your good self. But did they put in in a contract? And pls look at the surrounding new shop lots and retail units surrounding SW site. Most of it is empty. There's no guarantee that SW wont end up the same. SPS has zero track record as far as building lifestyle mall is concerned but trying to sell "lifestyle" units at a premium, above 50% VS other new developments.


Bottomline, all developers r there to make $$$ first. One needs to decide whether what the developer sells you is worth paying for(minus ALL the promises of lifestyle, LRT, Korean enbloc etc), else you'll pay thru your rear-bottom instead.




This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 20 2009, 02:33 AM

All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

I tot' they already engage a consultant to see how to best tackle the problem with the existing owners DESPITE they r not obligated to do so as they DLP is over?


Well, honestly dont think we'll get HERON's quality as we paid almost double price psf vis a vis. But if Zest does end up like HERON, then its a learning for me.......thats all.

Let me remind everyone here while Zest is TT's 2nd high rise project, SW is the first highrise project for SP in KV. SP has zero track record as far as mix development is concerned. There no guarantee that SW will be problem free and the quality will be better than Heron's or Zest's.

Any savvy investor will have little or zero faith in developer's promises. We buy when we see value, not based on developer's sweet-talk and nice marketing strategy. Again, SPS has zero track record in building and managing a mix development.

Read thru the Zest thread as there have been many occasions myslef and other foumers warned prospects to only buy Zest if they think its a good buy even without LRT, ramp, Korean-enbloc etc. In this thread, only Cannot Tahan has so far been quite honest with his assesment on SW.

IMO, cannot sell dont give me faith at all.....

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Added on September 20, 2009, 9:03 pmAll your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).



This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 20 2009, 09:03 PM

Thanks Kenny for xplaining this to our Xui Cheng. She conveniently "forgotten" the date I put my suggestion in her cheap allegations. I suspect her english comprehension is on the low side coz she has problem understanding questions and answering them.

Btw, think SW was priced at close to 60% premium over Zest if we count psf. Zest staring price in its 1st phase was at RM200psf +- while SW cheapest unit was already above RM300psf

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:18 amSome correction on some allegations towards me by a liar :

I didnt ask ppl not to buy, but I asked them to wait for more freebies. U do understand basic english right? ......

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.


Im the eighth of the many buyers in LYF that bought Zest( think there was more than 100 as per Eugene's list) when I saw signs of economic recovery. I declared my purchase here to everyone in the thread latest May/June.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

Didnt saw the cracks and tiles defects complaints until yesterday someone posted the link. Most of the complaints that I read in Heron was due to tenancy issues and management office behaviour, not structural defects, and my comments were made without knowing that there's potentially a structural defect issue....

Ignorance is bliss......

Pls point out where exactly I made such statements, girl. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

I believe Puchong will thrive with or without SW. U on the other hand seem to think SW is the center of universe, by making claims that SW will be 1st to benefit, SW is gonna be landmark etc. Making claims wihout justification to con others is blatantly misleading.



I have a policy of not making fun of ppl who acts like retards. So Im not gonna make fun of you. Anyway I think your false allegations will show the world your depth and what u really r.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:32 am1. Correction - U r paying a least 50% more, right?. Pls compare the spec between what u'll get in SW VS what Zest offers, then tell us if its any better.

2. Cannot Tahan appears to be a long time investor with some experience in investing in Puchong. So I trust that he will have a game-plan, holding power and experience to ensure that he doesnt loose any $$$ later.

Im didnt say u r irrational, but do u have a gameplan, holding power and experience to sustain your unit if what SW did not turn out wonderfully as what the brochures sells you? Do you know what is the rental and seeling prices for condo's nearby?

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 amHi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 21 2009, 03:35 AM

I never said u were THE retard, right? Why behave like one?



I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :
1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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Added on September 22, 2009, 4:52 pm1. Your answer is the reason which is I know u r a rookie compared to Cannot Tahan. SW is most like your 1st purchase OR 1st highrise purchase. Cannot Tahan post answered your question, let me quote him :

According to section 91 & 92 of the Evidence Act, all promises prior to the final agreement in writing, are not enforceable nor binding, should the promises were not reduced in to the final Agreement.

Consequently, All representations contained in the brochure but not in the SPA, is not binding. It solely hinge on the goodwill of the Parties.

2. SPS is a newbie high rise and mix development developer, so there a good chance what happened in Heron could occur is SW as well, especilly when owners dont check for hollow tiles upon VP. Thinking otherwise is just plain naive......

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Added on September 22, 2009, 5:44 pmLearnt something new here.

So I assume that SW does have collateral agreement with regards of the mall attached with the SPA?

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Added on September 22, 2009, 5:55 pmI felt sorry for your sister's case who bought the 2mil bungalow from SPS, again your case made it clear that no developer is perfect especially when they had no obligations to do so. Guess this is a reality check for all of us, especially to those who think just bcoz the developer is reputable, it means their purchase will be absolute hassle-free.

Personally, think the system is flawed as homebuyers are not protected at all once DLP is over. There should be a maximum damage threshold that entitles buyers to claim for damages from developer once DLP is over. That would be fair and push developers to deliver a less problematic product upon VP.

Btw, how much did your sis ended up paying to the new contractor to fix the problem for good?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 22 2009, 05:56 PM

I bet u did, explains why u bought SW

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Added on September 23, 2009, 12:47 amStill avoiding the question? Everyone, pls look below for all the questionable claims made by Xui Cheng in her quest to sell SW to you all :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 12:47 AM

I dont make false claims like Xui Cheng TO MISS-SELL SW so answering you is rather...........pointless. Even Zavier and Cannot Tahan who is vested in SW never made such claims, so credit to them for not being overboard and being fair enuff in our previous discussions.

FYI here r some questions that I asked u 1st, I'll answer your question when u answer mine (altho I doubt u have the capacity to do so) :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 01:29 AM

Noted, will no comment on the sales girl again unless I see a misleading post again.

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Added on September 23, 2009, 12:48 pmbtw Cannot Tahan chief,

Did you buy studio's for your 1st SW unit and r u planning to get th same for your 2nd unit?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 12:48 PM

Boss, in the 1st place, my only issue with Xui Cheng is i tot' her statement on these 2 accounts were overly bullish on SW :

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

Since I do not understand where he/she is coming from with those statement, I POLITELY ASKED her to clarify, in which she posted the link. If she has done her research properly, I was also in the link, posted my views on SW wayyy back (think even before whe did), and has followed the link since. U n I both now as of today, there many more negatives on the link than the positives, so my lack of understanding on her views again prompted me to asked her to clarify why:

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

She could not answer............. then she starts her emotional/personal attack on me, then Zest. I never had any problems with you or Zavier as I think while we may disagree on the subject, neither me, you, or Zavier :

1. Oversell Zest or SW (well not without facts to back our claims at least)
2. Went on personal attacks.

Bottomline, she's not misleading IF she could clarify/justify her statements, but it is something she has yet to do till date. An investor can explain the rational of their decision (yourself as an example), but sales person often cant. And when she fails to clarify herslef, Backkom is absolutely right, it creates an adverse effect on her desperate efforts to promote SW, and its not good for all of us. (Yes, I said all of us. How well SW does will give an indication how well Zest will do, so Im impacted too)

If u stop misleading/mis-sell/posting wrong information, I'll defo move on