this is worrying.

But isnt Zest contractor related to Sunway group? Is it the same guys who build Heron?

Walau.. that is scaring...

Can the contractor/developer be taken to court for this?

Wow... comparing Zest to 5Stones now?

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This post has been edited by stretch: Sep 20 2009, 03:01 PM

Hmm, this is serious...I wonder if there's any way for us to do anything or something to be assured of such thing not to be happen in the future....

oh oh i noe im late,,,just got back into forum here.could someone enlighten me if theres still units for sale at zest? am i too late

If i may step up and offer some legal opinions (dun worry, i am all rounded one, time has left a lot of tresures on me...)

The Defect liability Period had lapsed.

The owners CANNOT sue on breach of ctt.

The correct action to be taken is under TORT.

Owners has to sue the dev within 6 years from the problem being discovered.

NOW, a consequential problem for ZEST:-

1. If the owners win the suit and the dev ordered by the High Court to compensate, where u think the money from?

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The sub sale price for Heron & Zest hinges on how fast this video spread and how good people's memory is

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 20 2009, 07:16 PM

think its unfair to compare Heron that is completed and sold for 100k++ and Zest which is yet to be built and cost averagely 250k.

There might be stigma as far as the developer is concerned, but a child that has yet to be born bears no sin. But if Zest ended up having cracks like Heron, then TT's reputation as a developer will be no better than the doomed Talam.

I take back my words about the structural issue on Heron in my earlier post.. No doubt this doesn't look good on TT and also projects related to it.. If there is anyone have latest update on Heron and if there is any follow up there, keep us inform

yup... subsales will not look good on Heron if the news spread like fire.. not sure is there fire sales goin on later..


This post has been edited by eugene jk: Sep 20 2009, 08:30 PM

My sincere apology to disturb you.

No offence, Just wonder anyone of you are gentlemen enough to apologise OR at least retract your past comment like this:
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I wonder why ppl complaint so much when Heron is property they bought for 100k++ only. Were they expecting Sunrise level of workmanship?

Keep on saying workmanship is bad but never highlight the details.....dem funny

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420

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After you see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 20 2009, 08:48 PM

same, just saw the video yesterday hence I retract my statement on the Heron's issues. Last I commented on Heron i only saw negative comments on the maintenance and tenant issues.

I feel sorry for HERON owners and i hope TT will quickly solve this serious issues for the benefit of everyone.

Oh Pai, can u stop lying?

Do u need me to remind what you have said...

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I wonder why ppl complaint so much when Heron is property they bought for 100k++ only. Were they expecting Sunrise level of workmanship?
Keep on saying workmanship is bad but never highlight the details.....dem funny

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1129024/+420
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PAI, You were refering to "workmanship" in your original statement; And now u try to twist and turn, limiting your statement to "maintenance" & "Tenant" issue?

Well, are u a bad liar or suffering from lapse of Memory?

MG, Pai, do u have to defend the Dev all the way just bc u r vested in Zest!!!

PS: Anyway, u r my good boy, always follow what i ask u to do, Keep it up

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 20 2009, 11:45 PM

popping floor doesnt mean the contractor use the lousy material, it is becos when the time contractor apply cement grout to floor tile there is some air inside the cement grout, after lay the floor tile, the air seal inside the floor. when the air heat up and expand, the floor tile will pop out. this kind of issue actually quite common to contractor, but no one hope it happen. but important things is the developer need to repair for house owner. hopefully that victim slove the problem already.

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Added on September 21, 2009, 1:02 amif the owner win the suit, TT redo the floor tile, it will only cost TT few thousand only, to them is a peanut.

This post has been edited by Alan Soo: Sep 21 2009, 01:05 AM

Halo, everybody .. this is the 1swt time i give comment (before that i put myself in a view mode only..haha)

i think Pai wasn't wrong at the first place, he juz pointed out people who complained abt the workmanship issue should also highlight the details, furthermore he retract his statement after gone thru the video, wonder what make mr chuah so offensively addressing Pai a liar?

IHO... it is not unusual to see tiles poping .. i saw this happened from Parkson cosmetic dept and also the saraka apartment that developed by branded developer SP Setia.. sometimes tiles poped up was due to poor workmanship, but not 100% it might also due to the quality of the tiles and some other technical issue.. if let's say it was the workmanship problem, i can only say the developer can't afford to hire 1st class tiler with only 100k selling price, as like the chinese saying u pay one cent u get one cent stock.. even SP Setia can't quaranty it .. ( saraka was also sold at around 100K last time).. i think the heron purchaser got to give and take as they already enjoy a fruitful returned from the capital appreciation as well as high rental yield.. luckily, there were only 6 to 7 unit affected (according to the heron management).. but, still hoping the developer will take some action even though the warranty periord is expired for their good name sake..

To have a peace of mind, i suggest the Zest purchasers should write in to TT (can also via the salesperson) making a official request to stop TT from appointing the same tile laying contractor.. afterall the Zest pricing is much higher comparing heron.. i think we deserve a better quality tiles contractor.. as the last few unit of zest apartment were sold above 300k.. agreed?

Hi Cannot tahan, thanks for the pointers. What if this goes under structural? If I remembered correctly, civil engineers are expected to design structures that lasts a lifetime.

Does TT has future projects as well? As long as they have other future interests at stake, they won't dare to screw up (too badly).

Well, I never saw ppl complaint about the tiles etc until I saw the video yesterday, hence my previous comments. the complaints I read on Heron was on tenancy and management issues, so I stand corrected.

Eugene, besides the video that was posted yesteday, have u read anywhere that mentioned about the cracks and tiles issues? Can point out the link if u come accross it?

Ignorance is a bliss........

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:47 amYes, apparently they have at least 7 more.

*pray hard they learnt their mistakes from HERON and improvise Zest accordingly*

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 21 2009, 03:47 AM

sounds really personal.. must be one of the unlucky heron buyers. at least we can see how tt handles stuff like this.. see what we can expect from them if things like this happens.
and thanks alan soo for the explanation. ignorance is a bliss in deed.huhu

[quote=KeNNy,Sep 21 2009, 01:59 AM]
Hi Cannot tahan, thanks for the pointers. What if this goes under structural? If I remembered correctly, civil engineers are expected to design structures that lasts a lifetime.


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Like what alan soo said floor tiles popping has nothing to do with the structural.. or else it will become a real big issue

OK, should the buyers of Zest give TT a FINAL chance? Well, I think you should, as you have committed and you can't do much now until you see the end products.

However, it is a sad scenario in Malaysia. Some developers with bad reputation would just register a new name to develop a new project. Most of the prospective buyers would NOT be able to know the track record and people behind the new company. Our Ministry of Housing needs to tighten the issuance of licence to those irresponsible ones.

And guys, won't be surprised that Talam would awake again one day and use other name to develop projects, but there will still be buyers.